The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

00:00:00.400 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:07.380 You are entering the Stone Zone, and I am your genial host, Roger Stone.

00:00:14.240 Well, I don't know about you, but I, for one, am not tired of winning yet.

00:00:19.620 At the end of 100 days, I venture to say that President Donald Trump has actually achieved more

00:00:27.920 than perhaps my other previous favorite president, Ronald Reagan, did in eight years.

00:00:34.700 It's an extraordinary record between closing our borders, shrinking the federal government,

00:00:41.280 drilling again for gas and oil, entering a tough tariff war with our trading partners

00:00:49.760 who have been taking advantage of us for decades, signing new executive orders to end government

00:00:58.880 involvement in censorship and to restore the freedom of speech, making it illegal for men

00:01:06.640 to engage in women's athletics.

00:01:09.160 I could go on and on.

00:01:11.580 Here's a new one that really kind of tickled me.

00:01:14.540 President Donald Trump has signed an executive order requiring English language proficiency

00:01:20.620 for commercial motor vehicle drivers, such as truckers.

00:01:25.920 In the order issued Monday, Trump says the, quote, requirement has not been enforced in years

00:01:32.000 and America's roadways have become less safe.

00:01:35.320 My administration will enforce the law to protect the safety of American truckers, drivers, passengers,

00:01:43.320 and others, including by upholding the safety enforcement regulations that ensure that anyone

00:01:48.740 behind the wheel of a commercial vehicle is properly qualified and proficient in our national

00:01:56.200 language, which is English.

00:01:58.760 In other words, so they can read the traffic signs.

00:02:02.860 The White House Press Secretary, Caroline Levitt, wow, is she a firecracker, elaborated on the

00:02:10.840 situation, saying there's a lot of communication problems between truckers on the roads.

00:02:15.840 It's a public safety risk.

00:02:18.660 We're going to ensure that our truckers, who are the backbone of our economy, are all able

00:02:25.240 to speak and understand English.

00:02:28.300 That's a very common sense policy here in the United States.

00:02:32.860 Another executive order signed Monday will direct state and federal officials to publish

00:02:39.200 lists of, quote, sanctuary cities, jurisdictions, or places where local authorities often do not

00:02:47.440 cooperate in enforcing federal immigration regulations.

00:02:52.380 There are several California public officials who may soon find themselves being investigated and

00:02:58.640 perhaps even being arrested for violating this order.

00:03:03.860 Donald Trump and Tom Homan are guys who mean business.

00:03:09.320 And if I were some Democrat mayor or Democrat governor, I would think twice about openly announcing

00:03:17.480 your intention to defy federal law.

00:03:20.620 Maybe they're looking for their 15 minutes.

00:03:23.680 Kind of like this congressman from Michigan, Sri Tanadar.

00:03:29.620 He's introduced a resolution for the impeachment of President Donald Trump.

00:03:37.360 I went through the list of his causes.

00:03:40.260 I couldn't find one legitimate cause.

00:03:42.820 Could it be because the congressman, who, by the way, my colleagues tell my, a number of

00:03:49.540 my sources in the House tell me that he reeks of both urine and curry, is $800,000 in debt

00:03:59.200 in his congressional campaign account.

00:04:01.580 So I think this is really not so much about any alleged crime or other high crime or misdemeanor.

00:04:12.260 I think it's the exact language required in the Constitution.

00:04:15.140 I think it's about getting his 15 minutes and also raising a few bucks.

00:04:22.900 It really is distasteful.

00:04:24.840 Remember Congressman Al Green from Texas?

00:04:27.240 He introduced articles of impeachment against Donald Trump within hours of Trump being sworn

00:04:33.680 into his first term.

00:04:35.260 So this guy is kind of the Indian American Al Green, not to be taken seriously.

00:04:42.180 Meanwhile, conservative activist Robbie Starbuck, who's a friend of mine, is setting his sights

00:04:47.820 on Meta, claiming in a new lawsuit that the social media conglomerate's A.I.

00:04:53.880 Chabot defamed him.

00:04:55.480 Starbuck documented that Meta Chabot falsely accused him of being a, quote, white nationalist

00:05:03.720 who was arrested on January 6th, and he has now sued them for defamation.

00:05:09.680 The suit filed in the Delaware Superior Court claims that the Chabot recommended that right-wing

00:05:16.900 influencer Starbuck lose custody of his children, saying that he was a danger to them.

00:05:23.200 Quote, Mr. Starbuck was stunned to learn that Meta AI has created these false and damaging

00:05:31.280 accusations about him completely out of whole cloth, and that it was asserting these claims

00:05:37.260 to A.I. users as a fact.

00:05:40.160 I'm reading from the lawsuit filed by Robbie Starbuck this past Tuesday.

00:05:44.760 The anti-DEI crusader, Robbie Starbuck, first became aware of the A.I.'s alleged distortions

00:05:53.260 of his record on August 5th, 2024, when an ex-user posted them in a screenshot.

00:06:00.680 The lawsuit by Starbuck says that the Chabot falsely claimed that Starbuck, in addition to

00:06:06.760 being present at the January 6th riot, was linked to the so-called QAnon conspiracy group.

00:06:15.260 Starbuck then uncovered more falsehoods about him being presented as facts, including the lies

00:06:21.620 that he had once faced a lawsuit for defamation himself and that he engaged in Holocaust denial.

00:06:28.840 Both lies.

00:06:30.020 That same day, Starbuck tagged several of Meta's top executives in a post on X, calling on them

00:06:38.120 to rectify the situation.

00:06:40.380 He also had his lawyers issue a formal cease and desist letter.

00:06:47.260 Mark Zuckerberg, are you cool with your platform attacking people with fictional stories?

00:06:53.420 What are you going to do about the lying A.I.?

00:06:57.220 There has to be accountability.

00:07:00.380 That's what he said on X back in August.

00:07:04.340 Three days later, Starbuck's lawyer received an email from Meta's counsel, Michelle Visser,

00:07:09.620 which said that the company is taking the matter seriously and conducting an investigation.

00:07:15.840 Meta's Chabot, however, has continued to defame him to this day and has not corrected the

00:07:21.640 falsehoods about him.

00:07:23.360 Meta's chief global affairs officer, Joel Kaplan, responded to a

00:07:27.160 video posted by Starbuck this past Tuesday, saying,

00:07:31.320 This is clearly not how our A.I. should operate.

00:07:34.760 We're sorry for the results it shared about you and that the fix we put in place didn't

00:07:39.300 address the underlying problem.

00:07:41.600 I suspect the only thing Meta and Facebook are saying about

00:07:45.280 Robbie Starbuck is the only thing they're sorry about is the fact that he's suing them

00:07:50.320 and once again bringing attention to Meta's discriminatory practices against conservatives.

00:07:57.120 I have the same problem.

00:07:59.040 I still, to this day, do not have a profile on Facebook.

00:08:04.480 But there are at least five other Roger Stones who are on Facebook, and it's worse than that.

00:08:11.200 They're actually selling cryptocurrency and Bitcoin.

00:08:14.900 I was in a restaurant the other day, an Italian restaurant, of course, and a man came up to me

00:08:21.000 and said, Hey, Stone, where's that Bitcoin I bought from you?

00:08:25.200 I had no idea what the man was talking about.

00:08:27.360 He insisted that he had purchased Bitcoin from me on my Facebook profile.

00:08:32.460 There's only one problem.

00:08:33.440 I don't have a Facebook profile.

00:08:36.480 I'm banned for life on Facebook.

00:08:38.900 I'm also banned for life on Instagram.

00:08:41.900 I'm also banned for life on YouTube.

00:08:45.220 So if you happen to bump into any number of Roger Stones over at Facebook or Instagram,

00:08:52.560 please don't buy anything from them.

00:08:54.340 Above all, do not send them your credit card information or any of your personal financial

00:08:59.800 information because, well, they are not me.

00:09:04.220 Meanwhile, the Wisconsin Supreme Court issued an administrative order on Tuesday calling

00:09:09.380 for Milwaukee Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan to be temporarily relieved of her official

00:09:14.880 duties.

00:09:16.000 Dugan was arrested and charged with obstruction of an official proceeding on Friday after evidence

00:09:21.620 came to light that she had shielded an illegal immigrant from federal agents.

00:09:26.040 Now, you will see a large number of liberal Democrat commentators insisting that Dugan was arrested

00:09:35.040 because the Trump administration disagreed with one of her rulings.

00:09:39.880 That's false.

00:09:41.360 She was arrested once again in charge of the obstruction of an official proceeding on Friday

00:09:45.560 after evidence came to light that she had shielded an illegal immigrant from federal agents.

00:09:51.320 She was also charged with concealing an individual to prevent discovery and arrest.

00:09:57.100 The order on Tuesday reads that Dugan, quote, is temporarily prohibited from exercising the

00:10:03.340 powers of a circuit court in the state of Wisconsin.

00:10:06.540 The FBI arrested Dugan for hiding a previously deported illegal immigrant in her jury room to stop him from being

00:10:17.140 arrested immediately by the U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement Agents, also known as ICE.

00:10:24.560 Mexican National Eduardo Flores Ruiz was in criminal court facing three battery charges after attacking two people.

00:10:34.080 Attorney General Pam Bondi blasted Dugan's action, saying,

00:10:39.060 We could not believe that a judge really did that.

00:10:41.900 You cannot obstruct a criminal case and really shame on her.

00:10:46.580 It was a domestic violent case of all cases, and she's protecting a criminal defendant over victims of crime.

00:10:55.200 Attorney General Bondi said that Flores Ruiz beat up two people, a man and a woman.

00:11:01.060 He beat the guy, hit the guy 30 times, knocked him to the ground, choked him, and then beat up a woman so badly

00:11:07.420 they both had to be hospitalized.

00:11:09.420 And these are the illegals that Democrats so desperately want to keep from being deported back to their home countries.

00:11:18.620 Meanwhile, China is blocking efforts to move iPhone manufacturing out of their country.

00:11:25.420 Chinese authorities refused to allow one of Apple's Chinese equipment suppliers to export machinery to India

00:11:32.980 that Apple needs for the upcoming iPhone 17's trial production, according to two people with direct knowledge of the matter

00:11:41.720 who spoke to us here in the Stone Zone.

00:11:44.480 No reason has been given by China as to why authorities are preventing the export of these machines,

00:11:50.740 but it is almost certainly a move to maintain its dominance over global supply chain and, most importantly, Apple,

00:11:59.100 which has to remain dependent on China for years to come.

00:12:02.980 With lower tariffs on India than China, Apple sought the leverage to lower their labor costs in India,

00:12:12.420 but China has now blocked them.

00:12:15.180 Currently, Apple assembles roughly 20% of its iPhones in India, a number that's taken several years to build up to.

00:12:23.120 Apple reportedly wants to take things much further, though, with a long-term goal of moving about half of its iPhone production out of China.

00:12:32.040 Foxconn, the Taiwanese company that builds most of Apple's phones in China,

00:12:38.060 has already seen approval times from Chinese authorities for exporting the iPhone-making equipment from Chinese factories to those in India

00:12:47.600 rise from two weeks to as long as four months.

00:12:52.240 Donald Trump has signaled that he will crack down on the notorious Democrat fundraising platform, ActBlue.

00:13:01.260 We're going to talk about that when we come back.

00:13:03.680 ActBlue is the payment processing app which Democrats have used to move millions of laundered dollars into candidates for the U.S. Senate for governor,

00:13:15.000 but among the very largest recipients of these phony contributions is New York Attorney General Letitia James.

00:13:22.940 When we come back on the other side, we'll talk more about that.

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00:14:18.740 We're back in the Stone Zone.

00:14:20.780 As we were discussing,

00:14:23.020 President Donald Trump is now cracking down on the notorious Democrat fundraising

00:14:27.760 and Monday laundering platform Act Blue.

00:14:31.540 President Trump signed a memo directing the Department of Justice to investigate

00:14:36.140 online fundraising platforms that have been willing participants in schemes to launder excessive

00:14:42.860 and prohibited contributions to political candidates and committees.

00:14:47.360 There are now 19 state attorney generals who are investigating Act Blue.

00:14:53.040 Trump's memorandum is targeting foreign contributions to American elections.

00:14:57.840 Many have claimed that foreigners are exploiting Act Blue for such purposes.

00:15:02.680 Here's how it works.

00:15:04.700 You can give through the Act Blue app,

00:15:08.440 but unlike when you usually make a purchase or a contribution utilizing a credit card,

00:15:15.780 they turn off the feature in which your credit card has to be matched to the address where the billing is sent.

00:15:26.500 This has allowed them to essentially launder literally millions of dollars,

00:15:33.300 but the pattern is very clear.

00:15:35.380 Instead of large donations,

00:15:37.720 what we see is a pattern of many, many small donations.

00:15:43.920 So, for example, the Democrat congresswoman from the Orlando area,

00:15:48.740 who ran in the last state election against U.S. Senator Marco Rubio,

00:15:55.280 with very low name ID and frankly no prospect of victory,

00:15:59.320 raised $37 million, almost 80% of it through Act Blue.

00:16:06.420 The incumbent, Marco Rubio, raised almost $10.5 million,

00:16:13.200 less than a third of what she raised.

00:16:16.000 How likely is that?

00:16:17.240 The answer is unlikely.

00:16:19.480 Who is among the worst offenders?

00:16:22.940 Well, that would be New York Attorney General Letitia James.

00:16:26.040 Right now, there are people who are canvassing those across the country

00:16:32.200 who say they gave to Letitia James.

00:16:36.000 They are shown a spreadsheet with the dates and amounts of the contributions

00:16:41.860 they allegedly gave to Letitia James' campaign for Attorney General.

00:16:48.400 I've looked at the initial proceeds.

00:16:51.060 70% of those contacted have never heard of Letitia James

00:16:56.580 and flatly deny having given any contribution.

00:17:01.400 So, when New York One's Errol Lewis says the mortgage fraud charges

00:17:07.440 against Letitia James are false,

00:17:10.180 that's just the beginning, Errol.

00:17:12.380 Wait till you see what's coming.

00:17:14.420 Joining us in the next segment, Mark Mitchell,

00:17:17.400 who's the head pollster for Rasmussen Reports.

00:17:20.280 He's going to talk to us about why this spate of new polling

00:17:24.300 that shows that the president's job approval is dropping

00:17:28.340 and that he is growingly unpopular with the American people is a crock.

00:17:34.240 So, don't go away.

00:17:35.720 Mark Mitchell, the head pollster for Rasmussen Polling,

00:17:38.680 will be along in just a moment.

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00:17:42.740 We'll be right back in the Stone Zone with our guest,

00:17:45.660 Mark Mitchell with Rasmussen Polling.

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00:18:37.140 Welcome back to The Stone Zone.

00:18:39.440 We're joined now by Mark Mitchell.

00:18:41.200 He is the head pollster for Rasmussen Reports,

00:18:44.820 and I would say a leader in the information war.

00:18:48.280 He is a U.S. Naval Academy graduate

00:18:51.040 and former nuclear submarine officer,

00:18:53.600 turned financier and technological leader.

00:18:56.740 But he founded himself as a real outsider in an industry

00:19:00.320 desperate to reassert their integrity,

00:19:04.540 and that is, of course, political polling.

00:19:06.400 Rasmussen's reports has made a name for itself,

00:19:09.720 not just for predicting with extraordinary accuracy

00:19:13.380 election outcomes,

00:19:14.320 but also questioning other pollsters

00:19:17.340 in their methodology and timing,

00:19:20.200 and questioning Americans about things

00:19:22.220 that the establishment doesn't want questions asked about.

00:19:26.220 Mark Mitchell, thanks for joining us today

00:19:28.260 in The Stone Zone.

00:19:30.260 Oh, it's great to be here, Roger.

00:19:31.600 Let me tell you how happy I am about this.

00:19:33.900 The list of people who are like,

00:19:34.940 oh, you're going to love Roger, you should talk to him.

00:19:37.180 John Fawcett, Brandon Howes,

00:19:38.880 I was talking about today.

00:19:40.760 Rich Barris, they all give shout-outs,

00:19:42.620 and I'm really happy to be here.

00:19:44.300 Well, I am myself, of course,

00:19:46.160 a consumer of survey research

00:19:48.620 going back in a 50-year career in American politics.

00:19:53.340 Mark, I remember the days

00:19:54.640 when all of the polls were taken at the doorstep.

00:19:58.320 That's how far back I'd go

00:19:59.640 in the days of Gallup and Harris.

00:20:01.900 And I talk often about

00:20:05.180 how easily it is to rig a poll.

00:20:09.480 In my view, there are two kinds of polls.

00:20:12.380 One kind is which the person who commissions the poll

00:20:15.520 and a competent pollster

00:20:17.120 are trying to get an accurate measure

00:20:20.820 of public opinion

00:20:22.440 within the time frame that the poll is taking,

00:20:26.380 memorizing and realizing

00:20:27.660 that any poll is a snapshot of a moment in time.

00:20:31.940 In fact, technically,

00:20:32.920 because public opinion,

00:20:34.760 particularly in this day of mass media,

00:20:38.060 public opinion changes very quickly.

00:20:40.760 Any poll, generally speaking,

00:20:42.840 is only good for that episecond

00:20:45.080 in which it is taken.

00:20:47.000 Now, public opinion doesn't shift

00:20:49.940 that dramatically that quickly,

00:20:51.620 but it does shift.

00:20:52.940 Then there's the other kind of poll.

00:20:54.320 That's the kind of poll that is designed

00:20:56.620 to get a desired result,

00:20:59.040 either for fundraising

00:21:00.700 or public relations reasons.

00:21:03.800 There's a big difference.

00:21:05.400 And polls can be rigged

00:21:06.920 by the wording of the questions,

00:21:08.740 the order of the questions,

00:21:10.240 the accuracy of the sample.

00:21:12.080 There are many, many ways

00:21:13.320 to rig a poll to get a desired result.

00:21:17.060 That's not what you do at Rasmussen.

00:21:20.240 No, it's not.

00:21:21.100 So the first question I have to ask you is,

00:21:25.780 first of all,

00:21:26.260 tell us about your predictions

00:21:27.860 based on your own polling

00:21:29.420 in the last presidential election.

00:21:32.400 Well, we're always trying to be accurate,

00:21:34.400 and sometimes it's harder than others.

00:21:36.140 There are very particular reasons

00:21:37.520 why it was harder than normal back in 2020.

00:21:40.400 We don't have to get into that.

00:21:42.120 But this time out,

00:21:42.980 I was polling Joe Biden versus Donald Trump

00:21:45.480 all the way back into 2021,

00:21:46.940 and every single poll we had Donald Trump winning

00:21:50.420 by massive amounts.

00:21:51.960 And of course, it tightened up a little bit,

00:21:53.420 but we were pretty much

00:21:55.340 the only people saying that.

00:21:56.600 I literally had never one poll

00:21:58.420 showing Joe Biden up

00:21:59.580 in the last year of our polling.

00:22:03.140 And then, I mean,

00:22:04.120 what was crazy is that

00:22:05.840 we were putting out so much,

00:22:07.680 and we saw the race narrow

00:22:09.040 after Kamala Harris became the candidate.

00:22:10.840 But for me,

00:22:12.280 it tightened up at Trump plus two

00:22:14.520 and just stayed there.

00:22:16.520 And all of my polling showed

00:22:17.820 that he was going to do good

00:22:19.000 in the swing states,

00:22:19.940 winning almost all of them

00:22:21.120 every single time.

00:22:22.560 And public opinion does change a lot,

00:22:25.000 rapidly, many times.

00:22:26.060 Just look at Pierre Polyev.

00:22:27.300 But what it doesn't change about is Trump.

00:22:29.700 Because once you've decided to support Trump,

00:22:31.960 you're pretty much there.

00:22:33.260 Like, you've pretty much gone through the process,

00:22:35.340 in my opinion.

00:22:36.420 After everything they've thrown at him,

00:22:38.000 the amount of psychological operations

00:22:40.260 you have to overcome

00:22:41.120 to be a Trump supporter,

00:22:42.580 you know, he's earned very sticky results.

00:22:44.540 And that's what I saw.

00:22:45.700 And what I also saw

00:22:47.200 was every other pollster,

00:22:49.080 except for a couple other independent ones,

00:22:51.500 shilling so hard for Kamala Harris,

00:22:53.640 six, seven, eight,

00:22:54.640 even nine points to the left of me.

00:22:56.780 And they came back.

00:22:57.860 I think I shamed them back

00:22:59.160 into hurting at the end

00:23:00.680 to be a little bit less inaccurate.

00:23:02.900 But they were doing everything

00:23:04.160 in their power, in my opinion,

00:23:06.020 to try and get Kamala Harris.

00:23:07.240 There were Harris plus six polls.

00:23:09.420 And she lost the national popular vote.

00:23:11.960 And not one single mainstream media

00:23:15.700 or academic research institution,

00:23:17.880 not one of them,

00:23:18.980 put out a map that showed

00:23:20.300 that Kamala Harris was going to lose.

00:23:22.280 An electoral map, and we did.

00:23:23.640 We had Trump winning five out of the six swing states.

00:23:25.960 The sixth one was a toss-up.

00:23:28.600 And everybody called us

00:23:29.820 a right-leading pollster,

00:23:31.200 but no, in our swing states,

00:23:32.940 we were actually a little bit too left,

00:23:35.060 believe it or not,

00:23:35.800 almost the full point.

00:23:37.100 So there it is.

00:23:37.960 There are no right-wing pollsters.

00:23:39.760 There are accurate ones

00:23:40.960 and left-wing establishment shills.

00:23:43.120 Yeah, I think that is true.

00:23:44.420 I found a tremendous tendency,

00:23:46.560 particularly right after they dumped Biden

00:23:49.020 and they anointed Kamala Harris.

00:23:52.500 By the way,

00:23:53.000 these are the people

00:23:53.660 who kept whining about

00:23:54.840 our lack of respect for democracy,

00:23:56.260 but they nominated a candidate for president

00:23:59.580 that not a single Democrat primary

00:24:01.560 or caucus voter voted for.

00:24:04.220 Just a little reminder I had to throw in there.

00:24:07.440 But in almost every case,

00:24:09.480 I saw this great tendency

00:24:10.900 to oversample Democrats

00:24:12.660 as if they were trying to create

00:24:15.360 this psychological claim

00:24:17.860 that she was surging,

00:24:19.900 she was coming on strong,

00:24:21.180 she was beating Trump.

00:24:22.600 Virtually every poll,

00:24:23.860 when I got into the crosstabs,

00:24:25.460 I found them oversampling Democrats

00:24:27.520 and undersampling Republicans.

00:24:30.600 And when you add that

00:24:32.480 to the millions of dollars

00:24:34.620 pouring in through Act Blue,

00:24:37.520 virtually all of it laundered money,

00:24:39.780 they were trying to create this idea

00:24:41.420 that there was some kind of surge for her.

00:24:44.040 Well, we both know

00:24:45.320 she couldn't even fill a rally hall.

00:24:48.120 She couldn't fill a stadium.

00:24:50.260 Whereas Donald Trump

00:24:51.420 was the only presidential candidate

00:24:53.680 I've ever worked for,

00:24:55.500 and that's,

00:24:56.260 I've been through 13 presidential campaigns.

00:24:59.240 The only presidential candidate I ever saw

00:25:01.080 where he didn't have to go out

00:25:02.000 and work to raise a crowd.

00:25:03.500 All he had to do

00:25:04.260 was announce that he was coming

00:25:05.440 and you would be guaranteed

00:25:07.240 a full house,

00:25:08.340 in fact, an overflow crowd.

00:25:10.560 Yet they even tried to claim

00:25:11.840 that he was having trouble

00:25:12.820 filling his rally halls,

00:25:15.140 which of course was never, ever the case.

00:25:17.600 Let's talk for a minute

00:25:19.280 about what's going on right now.

00:25:21.180 Because you see polling outlets

00:25:22.620 like ABC and Fox News

00:25:24.380 claiming that Trump's polling is tanking

00:25:27.560 and giving him the worst possible

00:25:31.100 100-day approval rating.

00:25:33.740 What's going on here?

00:25:35.360 Well, it's another psychological operation,

00:25:37.600 just like back in September.

00:25:39.060 They have arrayed everything in their power

00:25:41.460 to take out the anti-establishment candidate.

00:25:44.260 It's really interesting.

00:25:45.000 If you look at the history of Google searches

00:25:46.900 for Trump approval, Bush approval,

00:25:48.820 Biden approval, Obama approval,

00:25:50.720 Trump approval just has like twice

00:25:52.780 as much search volume as everybody else.

00:25:54.780 And that's because they're pushing narratives

00:25:56.300 and headlines trying to convince everybody

00:25:58.460 that America hates this guy.

00:25:59.880 But, you know, he had his first presidency

00:26:01.900 and then added votes.

00:26:03.560 And then I think won a second time

00:26:05.400 and then added votes.

00:26:06.600 And he keeps adding votes

00:26:07.860 and he keeps adding support.

00:26:09.220 And all they're left with,

00:26:10.360 they don't have political power now.

00:26:11.680 So they're trying this disgusting mean girls tactic

00:26:15.480 of, again, trying to convince everybody

00:26:17.580 that Trump's not cool.

00:26:19.060 Now, I'll tell you, his approval is not great,

00:26:20.840 but that's, I think, more of a reflection

00:26:22.780 of the fact that we're on the cusp of the Civil War

00:26:25.000 and nothing to do with,

00:26:26.720 like, we're just not in a country

00:26:27.880 that's going to give Trump an 80% approval rating

00:26:30.180 like they did George W. Bush.

00:26:31.580 It's not going to happen.

00:26:32.900 But he's doing pretty well.

00:26:34.500 I had him at 48% today.

00:26:36.520 Totally underwater two points.

00:26:38.260 Totally different than the negative 13,

00:26:39.960 negative 14 points.

00:26:40.860 But what's crazy is you can look

00:26:42.860 at RealClearPolitics and see,

00:26:44.540 they essentially planned this as a media hit.

00:26:47.160 That ABC headline,

00:26:48.620 Trump's the worst 100-day polling in 80 years.

00:26:50.600 I bet they wrote that a month ago.

00:26:52.500 And it's like everybody was rushing

00:26:53.840 to get their homework in

00:26:54.900 to dump all their scummy polls

00:26:56.700 into the weekend news cycle.

00:26:58.240 And it's like CNN, CBS,

00:27:02.120 ABC, Washington Post, Reuters, Ipsos,

00:27:05.260 and even Fox News gave Trump

00:27:06.980 the worst polling that they have this cycle

00:27:08.960 all over the weekend on purpose,

00:27:11.240 I think, to tank his RealClearPolitics aggregate

00:27:14.360 just to get those headlines.

00:27:16.180 Really desperate tactics, if you think about it.

00:27:18.580 And the independent pollsters were like looking around

00:27:21.460 and no, like our numbers don't look like these guys at all.

00:27:25.340 And they're so, like the crosstabs immediately tell you

00:27:28.820 they're so scummy.

00:27:29.640 If you look at the ABC one,

00:27:31.720 they have Trump underwater six points

00:27:33.860 on the issue of immigration.

00:27:35.900 That's like Loonyville.

00:27:37.640 In my numbers, 65% of America

00:27:39.840 supports Trump's massive deportation programs.

00:27:42.680 And he's getting rated well on all these issues,

00:27:45.260 even the economy.

00:27:46.300 We had Trump at a 46% excellent or good on the economy.

00:27:50.320 And even though that's his worst issue,

00:27:52.160 that's better than any issue

00:27:53.520 that Biden was ever rated by on any,

00:27:55.720 like ever in all of our polling.

00:27:58.120 And so this whole scenario

00:28:00.620 where every single pollster structurally shows

00:28:03.720 that Trump does worse, it's all fake.

00:28:06.560 It's all a reaction to the anti-establishment candidate,

00:28:10.120 the person who's gonna try and end the gravy train,

00:28:13.880 the big corporate marriage of power,

00:28:16.960 capitalism and political power that's caused globalism,

00:28:21.780 that's stolen the American dream,

00:28:23.440 that's basically crushed people.

00:28:25.020 And it's like, no, your fake media narratives

00:28:27.100 aren't gonna work anymore.

00:28:28.120 Because people remember what it was like under Joe Biden,

00:28:30.700 and they want Donald Trump to fix it.

00:28:33.880 I could not agree more.

00:28:35.300 I was looking at the crosstabs

00:28:36.480 in the New York Times-Siena poll.

00:28:38.380 According to that poll,

00:28:39.500 37% of the people in the sample voted for Donald Trump.

00:28:43.620 Yeah.

00:28:45.360 Ridiculous.

00:28:46.520 Or this one may-

00:28:47.340 It's a small poll too.

00:28:47.940 It's only like 700 people.

00:28:49.700 It's like really small.

00:28:50.800 They have a massive budget.

00:28:52.300 And not only that,

00:28:53.160 their independents lean 17 points Democrat.

00:28:55.280 Like, my numbers don't look like that.

00:28:57.240 Then there's the NPR-PBS Marist poll.

00:29:01.560 Like, I would believe anything they publish.

00:29:03.500 Please give me a break.

00:29:06.040 It's pretty laughable.

00:29:07.580 One thing I am curious about is

00:29:11.860 voter attitudes about continued aid to Ukraine.

00:29:16.820 voter attitudes about the war in Ukraine,

00:29:21.140 the war between Russia and Ukraine.

00:29:23.260 Based on the data that you've seen,

00:29:25.200 your own data and data of others,

00:29:27.500 are Americans content to continue to shovel millions,

00:29:31.480 if not billions of dollars more to Ukraine?

00:29:34.280 This is a tough one because there are,

00:29:39.660 listen,

00:29:39.900 there's some things that the Americans immediately see through.

00:29:43.000 They overwhelmingly suspected that COVID came from Wuhan way back in 21.

00:29:47.520 And even half of them think that it was purposely released by China.

00:29:52.380 And yet at the same time,

00:29:53.900 they also are very susceptible to sort of like patriotism,

00:29:58.100 former neoconservative, pro-interventionalist media attacks.

00:30:02.280 And I think that that's something that really did happen

00:30:04.800 because everybody hated Putin.

00:30:06.900 They wanted America to really like intervene to stop this thing.

00:30:10.800 And what's happened is over time,

00:30:12.760 those numbers have absolutely abated.

00:30:16.040 And we've been asking the question very many times,

00:30:18.780 who's winning, Russia or Ukraine?

00:30:21.340 And really what's happened is the numbers have gotten up to basically half.

00:30:26.080 I think it's a stalemate.

00:30:27.500 And is the United States doing too much or not enough

00:30:29.680 to help Ukraine fight the Russian invasion?

00:30:32.320 34% say too much,

00:30:34.000 39% say not enough.

00:30:36.300 And obviously there's a party difference,

00:30:38.520 but not as much as you'd think.

00:30:40.360 And ultimately voters trust Trump more than they trusted Biden or Harris on this issue.

00:30:46.420 But, you know, by a couple of points,

00:30:48.800 ultimately though,

00:30:50.420 you know,

00:30:51.640 we're just in an entirely different political context.

00:30:54.140 You might appreciate this question.

00:30:55.400 We've asked it many times.

00:30:56.440 Who is the biggest enemy that the United States currently faces?

00:31:01.500 And we put North Korea,

00:31:03.340 Iran,

00:31:03.860 Russia,

00:31:04.660 you know,

00:31:05.120 China,

00:31:05.500 all the normal actors.

00:31:06.600 Then we put the Democrat Party and the Republican Party also.

00:31:11.080 And people say that the Democrat Party is America's number one biggest enemy,

00:31:16.040 like 30%,

00:31:18.100 followed by China,

00:31:19.280 roughly 20%,

00:31:20.180 followed by the Republicans in the high teens.

00:31:23.040 And if you look at Russia,

00:31:24.280 it's like 12%.

00:31:25.540 North Korea,

00:31:26.880 Iran are in middle single digits.

00:31:29.100 And so I think this really reflects part of the Trump movement in that Americans might have an opinion about Ukraine or Israel or whatever,

00:31:38.860 but very much in the forefront of their mind and why they're making their votes is domestic issues,

00:31:46.020 is divisiveness,

00:31:47.860 is affordability and a problem with their future.

00:31:50.980 I mean,

00:31:51.560 we have numbers in the low 30s of people who say that they're better off than they were four years ago.

00:31:56.720 And only 22% say today's children will have it better off than their parents.

00:32:00.640 Those are existential problems for our republic.

00:32:04.840 And at the end of the day,

00:32:06.080 Ukraine,

00:32:06.540 I don't think just captures the share of mind.

00:32:09.320 We have about two and a half minutes left in this segment.

00:32:14.600 A technical question.

00:32:16.140 With the advent of cell phones,

00:32:18.260 with the advent of the Internet,

00:32:20.500 with fewer and fewer people having hardline phones in their home,

00:32:23.780 and fewer Americans willing to open the door to a stranger,

00:32:27.860 given these times,

00:32:29.240 it has to make the job of being a pollster far more difficult.

00:32:33.300 How do you go about making sure that you are getting a sample that is an accurate reflection of the electorate?

00:32:41.260 That's true.

00:32:42.120 And people have tackled the problem different ways.

00:32:44.100 What most mainstream media organizations are doing is piling into these really limited panels of only 50,000, 60,000, 70,000 people,

00:32:51.160 like the Ipsos panel and the YouGov panel.

00:32:54.200 We still do robo-dialing landline calling for a little bit less than half of our polls,

00:32:59.280 because 90 million people still have them,

00:33:01.220 and we have 400,000 people that like to answer our polling.

00:33:04.120 But then we go to online panels,

00:33:06.020 and those are tougher.

00:33:07.520 You pay people to take the response,

00:33:09.140 and you never really know who's on the other end of it.

00:33:11.300 But it's mostly because our money comes not from a boss,

00:33:16.040 not from a political party,

00:33:17.520 not from dark money NGOs.

00:33:19.780 It comes from subscribers and advertisers.

00:33:22.200 So at the end of the day,

00:33:23.040 I want to be accurate,

00:33:23.980 or our business won't exist.

00:33:25.580 It really is a matter of will.

00:33:28.480 It really comes down to that.

00:33:30.440 And the way I can tell you is that,

00:33:32.360 you know,

00:33:33.080 ABC and Reuters have been inaccurate for like 12 years now,

00:33:36.780 polling with the Ipsos panel,

00:33:38.040 but you haven't seen them get any better.

00:33:39.680 So at a certain point,

00:33:41.320 it ultimately comes down to will.

00:33:43.500 In 10 or 20 years,

00:33:44.640 maybe I'll be polling AI bots,

00:33:46.420 or maybe I'll be, you know,

00:33:47.620 casting chicken bones and doing dark magic.

00:33:49.600 I don't know,

00:33:50.120 but there will always be election prediction,

00:33:52.540 and I think that we're reaching more people

00:33:55.100 than almost everybody,

00:33:56.360 and we haven't even needed to go to cell phone yet,

00:33:58.420 although we will at some point.

00:34:00.260 But you raise an interesting question

00:34:02.440 at the end of the day

00:34:03.180 with so many scammers out there.

00:34:04.780 The person who answers a cell phone poll,

00:34:07.680 maybe it tells you more about that person

00:34:09.640 and their mentality

00:34:11.180 than it does about the actual population.

00:34:13.940 If you're just tuning in,

00:34:14.920 we're talking to Mark Mitchell

00:34:16.560 with Rasmussen Reports,

00:34:18.600 and we're going to be back

00:34:19.640 with more of Mark Mitchell.

00:34:21.500 So whatever you do,

00:34:22.480 please don't touch that dial.

00:34:24.460 You're in the Stone Zone.

00:34:25.880 Stay in the zone.

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00:34:44.920 And you're back in the Stone Zone.

00:34:47.060 We're talking to Mark Mitchell.

00:34:48.820 He's the head pollster

00:34:49.900 with Rasmussen Reports,

00:34:51.380 and I must say,

00:34:52.560 he has developed a reputation

00:34:54.680 for uncanny accuracy

00:34:56.580 in the predicting of his polling.

00:34:59.620 We're honored to have him today.

00:35:02.280 We were talking about

00:35:03.860 the technical difficulties

00:35:05.560 because of the different ways

00:35:07.860 that people get information today

00:35:09.860 and the different ways

00:35:11.220 people communicate online,

00:35:13.100 by cell phone.

00:35:14.340 Still some hardline telephones,

00:35:17.340 particularly among older voters.

00:35:19.540 But the other phenomenon

00:35:20.500 I want to ask you about, Mark,

00:35:21.860 is the reticence

00:35:23.960 of some voters out there

00:35:25.920 to tell a stranger on the phone

00:35:28.520 or over the Internet

00:35:30.200 or even at their front door,

00:35:32.120 for that matter,

00:35:32.760 that they're going to support

00:35:34.480 Donald Trump

00:35:35.060 because they don't want

00:35:35.860 to be harassed.

00:35:36.580 They don't want to be targeted.

00:35:37.920 They don't want Antifa

00:35:39.020 in their front yard,

00:35:40.480 whatever it may be.

00:35:42.380 To what extent

00:35:43.380 do you have to take that

00:35:44.520 into consideration

00:35:45.620 when you conduct any poll

00:35:47.940 involving Donald Trump?

00:35:50.740 I mean,

00:35:51.440 I think it's a constant consideration,

00:35:53.420 although we don't have

00:35:54.680 that same brand problem

00:35:56.220 that many other organizations

00:35:58.720 probably do,

00:35:59.540 and I don't think

00:36:00.120 that they're very concerned about.

00:36:01.260 The Ipsos community managers

00:36:02.960 that recruit people

00:36:03.860 are, you know,

00:36:04.500 the folks you'd expect,

00:36:05.600 mid-20-year-old women

00:36:06.600 with pronouns in their bio.

00:36:08.720 And they,

00:36:09.800 ultimately,

00:36:11.260 what it comes down to

00:36:12.040 is that, again,

00:36:12.920 any stream of data

00:36:14.460 can be useful

00:36:15.300 and it can be calibrated.

00:36:17.240 And all it comes down to

00:36:18.440 is that I want to be accurate.

00:36:20.200 And so if I get data

00:36:21.900 and I miss an election

00:36:23.040 and it's because I was too left,

00:36:24.600 I'll look at why

00:36:25.720 and I'll say,

00:36:26.240 oh, it's because I was

00:36:27.200 underrepresenting Democrats

00:36:28.360 or my Democrats

00:36:29.780 were too Trumpy

00:36:30.520 or I'm getting too many

00:36:31.600 conservative Black voters.

00:36:32.700 And I'll look at how I target

00:36:34.420 and try and change those things

00:36:35.820 or shift them

00:36:36.320 to different data sources

00:36:37.260 or run these tests.

00:36:38.860 But again,

00:36:40.040 all of these organizations,

00:36:42.980 not only,

00:36:43.700 like,

00:36:43.900 they've developed a reputation

00:36:45.220 of having their own America

00:36:47.560 that doesn't look like

00:36:49.260 a representation

00:36:50.820 of what reality is.

00:36:52.580 And so they don't want to fix it.

00:36:54.980 And again,

00:36:56.360 if people who barely know polling

00:36:59.000 can look at New York Times

00:37:00.680 Sienna cross tabs

00:37:01.660 and say,

00:37:02.320 oh, man,

00:37:03.180 they oversampled

00:37:03.940 too many Biden 2020 voters.

00:37:05.720 Duh.

00:37:06.600 They're not doing

00:37:07.720 the work needed

00:37:09.380 to refine their data streams

00:37:11.800 and correct and calibrate

00:37:13.160 to actually show the results.

00:37:15.020 They're just not.

00:37:15.980 All right.

00:37:16.780 Here's a tough question for you

00:37:18.460 with about a minute and a half.

00:37:19.880 You have an excellent reputation

00:37:23.540 for accuracy,

00:37:24.520 well-deserved

00:37:25.120 by your own track record.

00:37:26.860 Who out there

00:37:27.540 among the other pollsters

00:37:29.300 do you respect?

00:37:32.100 Well,

00:37:32.620 I was just on with Rich Ferris,

00:37:34.420 the People's Pundit.

00:37:35.220 I think he does great work.

00:37:36.940 The two of us,

00:37:38.120 Rich and myself,

00:37:39.240 were the only pollsters

00:37:40.260 that asked questions

00:37:41.560 about vaccine-averse events

00:37:43.360 and other things like that.

00:37:45.080 And so I think

00:37:45.840 that alone proves

00:37:47.820 that we're willing

00:37:48.560 to be dangerous

00:37:50.040 and honest

00:37:50.820 because we did it

00:37:51.900 at the risk

00:37:52.380 of our own businesses

00:37:53.980 and reputations for sure.

00:37:56.260 But then there's other pollsters

00:37:57.660 that do good work.

00:37:58.600 Qantas puts out numbers

00:37:59.560 that are accurate.

00:38:01.160 Robert Tahaley,

00:38:02.100 I know,

00:38:02.460 is doing a really great job.

00:38:04.640 The theme is

00:38:05.560 they're all independents

00:38:06.600 and there just really aren't

00:38:08.320 that many mainstream organizations

00:38:10.180 that do a good job,

00:38:11.260 although Emerson

00:38:11.840 has been pretty awesome,

00:38:14.220 especially recently.

00:38:15.840 They're not all terrible.

00:38:17.300 It's just that,

00:38:18.560 well,

00:38:19.240 when they do things

00:38:20.220 like they did this weekend,

00:38:21.760 almost apparently coordinate

00:38:23.360 in order to drive a narrative

00:38:25.360 just in a petty

00:38:26.840 and cynical fashion

00:38:28.260 undermine Trump

00:38:29.280 because they have

00:38:29.900 nothing else to do.

00:38:31.340 All right,

00:38:31.920 we're going to have

00:38:32.420 to wrap it there.

00:38:33.220 I want to thank our guest,

00:38:34.400 Mark Mitchell.

00:38:35.040 He's the head of posting

00:38:36.180 for Rasmussen Reports.

00:38:38.140 And for all of our listeners,

00:38:40.600 until we meet again,

00:38:41.900 God bless you

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