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00:00:36.780 Welcome.

00:00:37.940 You are entering the Stone Zone with me, your genial host, Roger Stone.

00:00:44.200 The big news of the day, National Security Advisor to President Donald Trump, Mike Walsh,

00:00:49.600 has stepped down from that position but is now being nominated by President Trump to be the U.N. Ambassador.

00:00:56.460 Here to talk about that and other items in breaking news, Jack Posobiec,

00:01:01.920 who is the senior editor at Human Events and the host of Human Events Daily,

00:01:06.580 which has more than 250 million downloads.

00:01:10.900 Jack is a veteran U.S. Navy intelligence officer with deployments to Guantanamo Bay and East Asia.

00:01:17.620 He's also very active in the Roman Catholic Church and a longtime friend of mine.

00:01:23.340 Jack, welcome in to the Stone Zone.

00:01:26.340 Roger, thanks again for having me on.

00:01:28.060 Quite an interesting day.

00:01:29.740 So what do you make of this?

00:01:32.560 In the wake, of course, of SignalGate, that was the signal thread that became very, very public

00:01:40.780 when Mike Walsh either intentionally or inadvertently added a critic from The Atlantic magazine to the thread,

00:01:52.160 a scandal that the Democrats tried to blow out of proportion.

00:01:55.140 The same Democrats who had no problem whatsoever with Hillary Clinton sending classified information over an illegal computer server,

00:02:04.700 even though there was no classified information disclosed in this highly publicized thread,

00:02:11.420 people immediately started screaming not for the head of Mike Walsh,

00:02:15.760 but for the head of Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.

00:02:18.860 In fact, National Public Radio falsely claimed that Hegseth's resignation was minutes away.

00:02:27.120 That turned out to be false.

00:02:28.420 What do you make of all this, Jack?

00:02:30.860 Well, Roger, it's clear from this move that partially I would say it goes towards the signal situation,

00:02:40.100 but for quite some time President Trump has been making or sending out signals that he wanted to have some change up for the national security team.

00:02:48.900 And one thing that Vice President Vance, of course, is pointing out,

00:02:52.480 and he had an interview just a few minutes ago with Brett Baer,

00:02:56.760 that, look, he's actually been promoted to U.N. ambassadorship.

00:03:02.360 Now, of course, Roger, this goes all the way back to the Haukeon days of the transition,

00:03:09.200 when, of course, there were a few people pointing out that when President Trump was making nominations from the House,

00:03:15.840 that would leave various seats open, particularly that of Elise Stefanik up in New York. 0.82

00:03:23.920 That's why, after the Waltz race came down in Florida, Elise's race essentially, well, it never happened,

00:03:32.840 because her nomination was pulled, which left that open slot at the U.N. ambassadorship. 0.96

00:03:39.320 So the idea then became, well, this could perhaps be an elegant way to tie the knot, thread the needle,

00:03:46.340 to have Waltz retake that position.

00:03:48.980 Now, of course, his seat has already been filled down in Florida.

00:03:51.680 At least stays back in the House, and then Rubio comes over,

00:03:56.040 and I'm told this will be for a time, maintain this position of the National Security Advisor and Secretary of State,

00:04:04.640 which, of course, goes back to the days of Henry Kissinger,

00:04:08.700 who performed the same role jointly under both Nixon and later the Ford administration's,

00:04:15.020 a role that he was able to use really to wield considerable power

00:04:19.260 over the foreign policy infrastructure,

00:04:22.060 and something, quite frankly, that I think perhaps Marco Rubio,

00:04:25.600 working with President Trump, will be able to do to great effect,

00:04:29.220 because the foreign policy establishment, as it's run out of the State Department,

00:04:33.940 needs to be brought to heel.

00:04:35.860 And I certainly hope that that is the goal put forward.

00:04:39.080 Now, one of the names that we've also heard being potentially,

00:04:43.260 although I hear he's not into it, is Steve Witkoff, of course,

00:04:47.420 the President's best friend and personal envoy,

00:04:49.920 and many of these special envoys from many of these hotspots around the world.

00:04:53.960 Rick Grinnell is another name that's gone around.

00:04:56.300 Sebastian Gorka, who's already serving on the National Security Council

00:04:59.560 in a counterterrorism perspective.

00:05:01.500 Or perhaps other individuals that have been involved in the negotiations,

00:05:05.640 like Michael Anton, have also been suggested.

00:05:08.820 So it really is an interesting situation, Roger.

00:05:11.480 And I think that the President, ultimately it comes down to this,

00:05:14.420 the President is focused on his diplomatic agenda,

00:05:19.840 the agenda of using sanctions, deals, and diplomacy,

00:05:23.540 not bombs and bullets and missile strikes,

00:05:27.020 to enact American foreign policy,

00:05:29.360 a change from the neoconservative, neoliberal agenda of the past.

00:05:33.980 Yeah, I totally agree.

00:05:35.560 One of the other interesting things that kind of got shifted to the side

00:05:38.500 was not only did Walsh resign his position,

00:05:41.920 but Alex Wong, his chief deputy, the assistant national security,

00:05:47.220 I guess it would be deputy national security advisor,

00:05:49.720 also losing his post.

00:05:51.700 Now, he, based on his background, is a hardcore neocon,

00:05:55.540 I believe actually a holdover from the Biden days.

00:05:58.520 I think that is very significant.

00:06:00.740 One other name that I would suggest that the President look at

00:06:04.040 is a retired four-star General Charles Flynn,

00:06:08.420 the brother of Michael Flynn,

00:06:09.940 who very recently resigned as the head of the Pacific Fleet,

00:06:14.680 a position that he held under Presidents Biden and Trump.

00:06:18.720 A hard, very respected in both the military and the intelligence community.

00:06:23.900 I think he would be an excellent choice in terms of his position.

00:06:29.900 I also think it's interesting in today's news

00:06:34.580 that Tulsi Gabbard announced that she would be essentially opening an investigation

00:06:40.620 into the actions of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

00:06:46.480 Now, Fauci very clearly, if you listen to his testimony for the Senate

00:06:51.120 under questioning from Senator Rand Paul,

00:06:54.540 he clearly lied under oath about his knowledge regarding the creation of COVID-19.

00:07:01.900 Let's listen to Tulsi Gabbard.

00:07:05.720 But the thing that we are working with Jay Bhattacharya,

00:07:10.680 the new NIH director on, with, as well as Secretary Kennedy,

00:07:15.560 is looking at the gain-of-function research

00:07:20.260 that in the case of the Wuhan lab,

00:07:23.380 as well as many of these other bio-labs around the world,

00:07:26.920 was actually U.S.-funded and leads to this dangerous kind of research

00:07:32.300 that in many examples has resulted in either a pandemic

00:07:38.020 or some other major health crisis.

00:07:40.900 Well, let me ask you specifically,

00:07:41.880 because we already know that EcoHealth Alliance was partnering with this Wuhan lab

00:07:45.720 to do gain-of-function research.

00:07:47.860 That's right.

00:07:48.500 We just have never been able to have somebody say,

00:07:50.760 and it was that exact experiment that led to this COVID bug.

00:07:55.680 But have we gotten there?

00:07:57.120 What's the new thing that you're digging in on?

00:07:59.240 We are working on that with Jay Bhattacharya

00:08:02.480 and look forward to being able to share that, hopefully very soon.

00:08:05.920 Okay.

00:08:06.280 That specific link.

00:08:08.060 Correct.

00:08:08.700 Between the gain-of-function research and what we saw with COVID-19.

00:08:12.240 I mean, that would be extraordinary because, just so the audience knows,

00:08:14.800 if that's true, if it was Peter Daszak's research

00:08:17.040 with the Wuhan so-called Bat Lady that caused this pandemic, 1.00

00:08:20.780 then we did fund it.

00:08:21.880 Then Anthony Fauci helped fund the pandemic.

00:08:24.700 The thing that he denied over and over and over to Senator Rand Paul's questioning.

00:08:30.660 That's right.

00:08:31.300 Under oath.

00:08:32.100 Under oath.

00:08:33.340 Exactly.

00:08:33.940 So is it any wonder that he sought a preemptive pardon for anything

00:08:39.180 during a certain period of time by President Biden before he left office?

00:08:44.300 And then strong-armed and smeared people like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya,

00:08:49.060 anybody who came out and said, I don't know if that's natural.

00:08:53.340 This actually smacks of lab.

00:08:55.820 And the reason why this is so important is not just what happened in the past.

00:09:00.000 It's because this gain-of-function research is happening in biolabs around the world. 0.91

00:09:05.560 I got attacked, and I think you saw this, we've probably talked about it on your show before,

00:09:10.100 when I warned against U.S.-funded biolabs in Ukraine when the Russia-Ukraine war kicked off 0.93

00:09:16.220 for this very reason.

00:09:17.960 Who knows what kinds of pathogens are in these labs,

00:09:20.940 and if release could create another COVID-like pandemic.

00:09:24.340 And for that, I was called a Russian asset, you're, you know, trumpeting Putin's talking points,

00:09:30.720 all of this nonsense, simply for speaking the truth and stating facts that, by the way,

00:09:35.740 are still on U.S.-Embassy Ukraine's website today about how the U.S. has funded these biolabs in Ukraine.

00:09:42.640 But in order to, my point is, in order to prevent another COVID-like pandemic

00:09:48.860 or another major health incident that could affect us in the world,

00:09:53.980 we have to end this gain-of-function research and provide the evidence that shows exactly why

00:10:00.300 and how it's in our best interest, the American people's best interest, to bring about an end to it.

00:10:05.420 Tulsi Gabbard there, dropping bombs.

00:10:08.020 If you're just tuning in, this is The Stone Zone.

00:10:10.700 We're talking to Jack Basobiec, the senior editor at Human Events.

00:10:14.360 I'm going to ask him about whether Dr. Fauci is really going to face justice,

00:10:19.760 and we'll revisit that question about the bioweapons labs that the Biden administration

00:10:28.100 ultimately admitted were across Ukraine when we come back.

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00:11:24.000 We're talking to Jack Basobiec, Senior Editor of Human Events.

00:11:27.820 And without any question, one of the single most influential young conservative voices in the country today.

00:11:34.460 We're very pleased to have Jack with us.

00:11:36.100 Jack, the most interesting thing about that cut from Tulsi Gabbard, who I know you and I both admire and support, was her reference to the bioweapons labs in Ukraine.

00:11:48.240 Something that the Biden State Department official of Victoria Nuland blurted out in a congressional hearing, then tried to walk back unsuccessfully.

00:11:58.040 What did you make of that?

00:11:59.240 Well, Roger, I think this is something where Tulsi Gabbard and the lieutenant colonel there, who, as DNI, is not content to simply sit back and collect a paycheck and receive accolades or something like that.

00:12:13.600 She's continuing the same career path that you saw from when she was, really, to borrow a term from John McCain, a maverick.

00:12:22.360 She was a maverick Democrat.

00:12:23.980 She was someone who was willing to go rogue on things like radical Islam because she knew it was simply the truth, even when Barack Obama and the leaders of her own party didn't want her to say so. 0.99

00:12:33.740 And I think that's one of the many reasons that set her on the path where she now lives in the Republican Party and is welcomed with open arms.

00:12:42.240 But this idea of looking at national security pictures and understanding the scope of the environment writ large for the American people is covered with so many lies by people like Nuland, people like Fauci and so many others who absolutely need to be investigated for the things that they have said to Congress.

00:13:04.160 Now, Nuland, perhaps he's at least a little bit smarter than Fauci because she at least didn't lie about the bio labs when she was asked about it.

00:13:13.220 She admitted that there were labs, in fact, but said they were for research purposes only.

00:13:18.440 Fauci, on the other hand, definitively stated again and again to Senator Rand Paul that there was no gain of function experiments that were funded at the Wuhan lab by the U.S. government.

00:13:31.020 Now we know that that was completely false.

00:13:34.700 And perhaps if it can be determined that Fauci did know about that at the time and there was a leak up, well, then perhaps there's something there's some work for Pam Bondi and FBI Director Cash Patel.

00:13:47.020 Yeah, I must tell you, as a 50-year veteran of American politics, as well as a veteran of 13 national presidential campaigns, I've said it flatly, I'll say it again, I believe that Tulsi Gabbard will be the first woman president of the United States.

00:14:01.420 Not necessarily in 2028, she's only 43 years old, but I have rarely seen this level of not only principle, but charisma and communication skills.

00:14:13.720 I think she's doing an amazing job in her current position.

00:14:17.720 I noticed today in an interview with Megyn Kelly, rather than playing that game of saying, no, no, no, I am not interested, she was very candid about the fact that, yes, she's very open to some point in the future being a candidate for president again.

00:14:33.080 I applaud that idea.

00:14:35.480 Look, I'm not trying to take away from any other prospective candidate.

00:14:39.100 That's the great thing about the Republican Party.

00:14:41.160 We've got a bench.

00:14:42.520 They have no bench.

00:14:43.760 Their bench is J.D. Pritzker, and he's the whole bench himself, if you know what I mean.

00:14:50.760 Well, that's right, Roger, and in fact, Tulsi Gabbard was their bench at one point.

00:14:55.960 She was their rising star, and rather than embrace her and embrace the star power and embrace the power of this new populist movement, this new brand of politics that we see in America, much of which also, I would argue, goes across the aisle.

00:15:12.360 It is a bipartisan effort through the Maha movement and this new form of coalition politics that the Democrats easily could have outboxed the Republicans on at any point if they chose instead to drive these people like RFK, like Tulsi Gabbard and others out of their party and into the arms of Donald Trump's new Republican Party, which was formed specifically for this purpose. 0.52

00:15:40.160 Of course, of course, President Trump himself, a former Democrat, Elon Musk, a former Democrat.

00:15:44.500 So many people have crossed over, and I really believe that the Maha movement is an indelible inflection point of that movement that is probably, if I were to say, the only movement in America that might actually be more popular than MAGA itself.

00:16:02.360 No question about that.

00:16:03.940 It also occurs to me, we still have no answer as to why, after Tulsi Gabbard essentially skunked Kamala Harris in a presidential debate, she was placed on a secret TSA watch list as a domestic terrorist.

00:16:20.820 Here's someone who is a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve, a combat veteran of both Iraq and Kuwait, someone who served their country with distinction.

00:16:31.060 We still have no answer as to why the Biden administration put her on a watch list.

00:16:37.780 It's insulting to say the least.

00:16:40.080 If you're just tuning in, we're talking to Jack Posobiec, the senior editor at Human Events, as I say, one of the most influential and respected young conservative voices in the country today.

00:16:51.340 Jack, you and your brother were assaulted by some Democrat thugs up on Capitol Hill.

00:16:57.680 When we come back, I want to ask you about that.

00:17:00.200 But there's a new propensity to advocate for violence among today's Democrats.

00:17:06.840 J.B. Pritzker, who we spoke about a few minutes ago, saying that Republicans should not have a moment's rest.

00:17:13.940 Now today saying you should go to your congressman's office and demand that they do this, that, and the other thing.

00:17:19.640 This tendency towards violence is deeply disturbing.

00:17:22.480 When we come back, I'm going to ask Jack Posobiec what happened up on Capitol Hill when he was assaulted with his brother by Democrat thugs outside a rally run by Jamie Raskin.

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00:18:02.140 We're talking to Jack Posobiec, the senior editor at Human Events and also the host of Human Events Daily.

00:18:08.440 Jack is a keen observer of the world geopolitical scene as well as the American political scene.

00:18:15.940 He's a veteran U.S. Navy intelligence officer who had deployments at Guantanamo Bay and East Asia.

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00:18:37.540 Jack, you and your brother were assaulted by Democrat thugs on Capitol Hill this past week.

00:18:44.540 Tell us what happened.

00:18:45.940 Well, Roger, thank you so much.

00:18:48.340 And it was quite an interesting experience.

00:18:50.280 By the way, this one was actually just me.

00:18:52.180 My brother and I, that was up at the Eagles game back during the last season.

00:18:58.520 Actually, it was the game where Saquon Barkley performed his incredible reverse hurdle over the Jaguars

00:19:06.180 and was able to go on into infamy.

00:19:09.320 But this time it was just myself.

00:19:10.740 And I was waiting for my wife to pick me up at Union Station.

00:19:15.080 We were going off to the Susan B. Anthony List pro-life gala dinner with the folks at Gun Story and the folks at Patriot Mobile.

00:19:22.740 And I came out and I saw a rally of some sort, a group of people wearing blue shirts that said federal workers matter.

00:19:32.760 And I ascertained it may be some sort of Democrat political union rally of some sort.

00:19:38.380 So I traveled over and I saw that they were listening to someone who was in the middle speaking,

00:19:43.660 but I couldn't quite tell who it was because there wasn't a stage and the individual appeared to not be taller than any of the others in the group.

00:19:51.500 So I couldn't quite tell who it was.

00:19:52.860 I got closer and I found out that it was, in fact, Congressman Jamie Raskin,

00:19:57.080 one of the point people for both President Trump's impeachment as well as the unconstitutional January 6th committee,

00:20:05.860 which led to the lockup of 1,500 American patriots, including many members of the president's former administration,

00:20:15.460 such as Dr. Peter Navarro, who is also currently in the administration.

00:20:19.400 And I went up to him and he started calling for people to protest.

00:20:25.080 He then also started claiming that somehow that this group of union workers and Jamie Raskin himself,

00:20:33.260 these Democrats, were the representatives of the people and the voice of the people to which I loudly challenged him on this.

00:20:42.280 And I said, if that's so, why did you lose the popular vote in the election?

00:20:47.040 Why did you lose seven out of seven of the swing states in the election?

00:20:53.320 And rather than respond to me, rather than have a conversation, Raskin then pointed to his thugs, pointed me out, started chanting,

00:21:02.820 and sat back and watched as all of them proceeded to target me, to attack me, to physically accost me, punch, kick, whatever they could to get me out.

00:21:15.240 And then eventually the Capitol Police arrived.

00:21:18.140 So let me get this straight.

00:21:19.260 Raskin didn't ask the crowd to stop assaulting you.

00:21:23.020 He essentially pointed you out in order to egg the crowd on.

00:21:29.100 That's exactly right.

00:21:30.180 There was no, and I've gone back, Roger, and I've watched this video myself.

00:21:34.360 So I have a video of this on Barrow online, and Senator Mike Lee has tweeted out, much to my appreciation, as well as Special Envoy Rick Grinnell.

00:21:45.000 But nowhere at any point in this video of this attack, they also, they stole my phone at one point.

00:21:50.960 They tried to stomp it, but I guess I have a good case, and it was able to be protected.

00:21:57.240 They also opened up my backpack.

00:21:59.680 They tried to steal that, my work backpack, where I had a tablet, and my St. Michael the Archangel rosary came out,

00:22:08.000 and all of which were things they were trying to take from me rather than, again, have any kind of conversation.

00:22:14.200 And nowhere on the video, Roger, does Raskin ever say, stop, don't do that, let him talk, let him speak,

00:22:21.880 which is something, by the way, that President Trump and others have said at MAGA rallies when a left-winger type comes in.

00:22:29.500 You never see attacks like this.

00:22:31.180 But in this case, one, Scott Adams, the political commentator and writer of Dilbert, has actually commented and said,

00:22:38.020 you know, I watched this video of Fasovic, and what's interesting is there's no conversation at all.

00:22:43.520 They immediately switch to violence.

00:22:45.860 They immediately choose violence, and it seems that none of them had any problem with it whatsoever.

00:22:53.200 Yeah, I mean, with Adam Schiff no longer in the House, I now think Jamie Raskin is perhaps the greatest huckster, 0.96

00:23:00.500 con man, and congenital liar in the House.

00:23:02.760 He leaked to a half-dozen media outlets that the January 6th committee would prove absolutely that Roger Stone was involved 0.83

00:23:10.400 in the planning of illegal activities on January 6th, and, of course, then he produced no evidence whatsoever because it's false.

00:23:17.660 In fact, any claim that I knew in advance about, participated in, or condoned any illegal activity on January 6th,

00:23:26.340 or any other date for that matter, is absolutely false.

00:23:29.640 They did use AI very creatively in those hearings, but then, of course, they destroyed all the records from those hearings,

00:23:38.020 so we can't even go back and look at it.

00:23:41.240 I guess why I was confused regarding you and your brother, this has to do more with the creation of the Gulf of America.

00:23:49.340 Now, in all honesty, I go to a local Italian restaurant, and two days after the election,

00:23:54.860 the maitre d' there, a really nice guy, said to me, boy, I got a great idea for the president.

00:23:58.840 He should change the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.

00:24:03.820 Would you pass that on to him?

00:24:05.340 And I said, absolutely.

00:24:06.540 It's a terrific idea.

00:24:07.800 I'll pass it on.

00:24:09.120 Now, I forgot to do so, but now every time I go to the restaurant, he believes it was his idea,

00:24:15.220 and I'm not going to really disabuse him.

00:24:17.120 It can hurt his feelings, but you and your brother actually played a key role in that very important renaming.

00:24:24.300 Tell us about it.

00:24:25.140 Well, Roger, it's a small footnote, if anything, but this was the president's idea.

00:24:32.360 This was his concept by far.

00:24:34.460 He was the one that took it and took the bold action, not only to rename the Gulf of America,

00:24:41.000 rediscover, as some might say, or the Gulf of America,

00:24:44.840 but he was the one who then required that members of the press pool, including the Associated Press,

00:24:52.060 use the nomenclature or lose their privileged access to the Oval Office.

00:24:58.580 This was something where my brother, who lived in the Tampa area,

00:25:02.740 was out on a wave runner one day after church and had visited Hogan's Hangout,

00:25:07.580 which is down there in Clearwater, or St. Pete, rather, and he was out on the Gulf and said,

00:25:14.020 you know, I think by next year this will be called the Gulf of America in 2025.

00:25:19.920 And, of course, this is sort of playing on the joke of the 2025 project, Project 2025,

00:25:26.580 and how Trump was going to be changing everything out there, and he was having a great day.

00:25:30.480 And so I had remembered his tweet about a year later, now almost in December, January,

00:25:39.040 and when the discussion of the Panama Canal came up, I resurfaced my brother's tweet from back in 2024

00:25:47.920 and said, and you know what, while we're at it, we're going to be renaming the Gulf of Mexico

00:25:54.000 as the Gulf of America.

00:25:55.400 Well, as the president does, he follows me on through social, and sure enough, a few days later,

00:26:02.060 that's the very next thing that we saw.

00:26:04.100 And the Washington Post came, and they were asking me about this, and I said,

00:26:07.940 no, this wasn't my idea at all.

00:26:09.700 I got it from my brother, Kevin.

00:26:12.000 Very, very cool.

00:26:13.600 So we've got about two minutes here before we have to go to break again.

00:26:17.400 But you were at the White House for a press briefing this week.

00:26:21.200 I really enjoyed watching.

00:26:22.800 The established media seems to be very offended that their monopoly has been broken

00:26:28.580 and that the news press operation under Caroline Leavitt is kind of opening the process to alternative voices.

00:26:37.060 Did you enjoy the experience?

00:26:38.540 And tell us what it was like.

00:26:40.400 Well, Roger, it was an incredible honor to be there in the new media room.

00:26:43.920 By the way, Roger, that room where Caroline is using these, and I don't know if everyone realizes this,

00:26:49.420 that that's the same room that Joe Biden was using as his fake Oval Office.

00:26:55.580 Do you remember the fake Oval Office, Roger, that they put him in?

00:26:58.600 So I suppose the auto pen was with the real president in the real Oval Office,

00:27:03.440 but they would put Joe over there for these fake meetings.

00:27:06.980 And it's a very nice room.

00:27:08.380 It's a very nice auditorium.

00:27:09.480 Of course, the White House, the stage is impeccable.

00:27:12.940 They've redecorated it.

00:27:14.200 But it is not the Oval Office, certainly.

00:27:17.100 And being able to go there as a member of new media as well,

00:27:21.040 and they're going to be holding a series of these, by the way.

00:27:24.000 So this certainly isn't the only one that's going to be on a rolling basis.

00:27:27.040 It shows the Trump administration's commitment to radical transparency,

00:27:31.940 and it's something where the old media, the dinosaur media, the legacy media just can't stand it

00:27:39.340 because they're giving access to people who, by the way, in many cases,

00:27:42.900 we have far more listeners, viewers, and watchers than any of this legacy media.

00:27:50.420 And the stories that they put out, things like that, obviously,

00:27:53.840 Tulsi Gabbard was talking about moments ago, lies about Ukraine, lies about COVID,

00:27:59.320 lies about everything, Anthony Fauci said.

00:28:02.840 No one is listening to them anymore.

00:28:05.440 So the White House understands which way the wind is blowing.

00:28:09.560 They understand where the puck is going.

00:28:11.540 And I think it's a real honor to be able to go there.

00:28:14.100 And, in fact, the question that I asked was in regards to this rise in leftist violence

00:28:20.720 that we've seen attacks on anyone who's a Tesla dealer, folks like Luigi Maggioni being championed by CNN

00:28:29.140 and a former prominent Washington Post reporter named Taylor Lorenz.

00:28:34.840 By the way, the fundraiser for Luigi Maggioni at one point being shared out by Caitlin Collins of CNN.

00:28:42.080 You also see the embrace of these organizations like Trendy Aragua or MS-13, both of which are criminal organizations.

00:28:52.120 MS-13, by the way, is explicitly satanic.

00:28:55.120 And so you bundle all of this together, and we have to realize that what we're dealing with now on the far left,

00:29:02.060 but increasingly even in the mainstream left, is an embrace of political violence rather than the denouncing of it.

00:29:09.700 And, of course, President Trump knows this better than anyone because two Democrats tried to kill him in the last presidential campaign.

00:29:18.140 And we're going to talk about that when we come back with Jack Posobiec.

00:29:21.340 First, we're going to take a quick break.

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00:29:44.440 Jack, this past week it was reported that one of Jeffrey Epstein's victims, Virginia Jaffray,

00:29:51.280 who I actually interviewed for 12 hours of audio for my 2015 book, The Clinton's War on Women.

00:29:59.260 I also read every word of her sworn testimony.

00:30:01.900 I must tell you, she was the single most damning witness in terms of the interactions between Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton.

00:30:12.760 It was reported that she committed suicide.

00:30:16.260 Having interviewed her, having read her testimony, having followed the story where she was hit by a bus several weeks ago,

00:30:25.280 then specifically put out a statement saying that she was not in any way suicidal.

00:30:30.720 I, for one, don't believe that she committed suicide.

00:30:33.580 And now let's listen to what her father, Sky Roberts, said.

00:30:37.320 Tell me about your reaction when you heard that she'd taken her life.

00:30:40.420 Well, first of all, I couldn't even believe it.

00:30:45.300 I mean, I started crying right away.

00:30:50.560 I'm still crying.

00:30:52.300 I can't believe that this is happening.

00:30:56.980 It's just, it's impossible.

00:30:58.640 And then for them to say that she committed suicide, there's no way that she did.

00:31:03.560 Somebody got to her.

00:31:04.620 Yeah, Jack, your view.

00:31:10.080 I mean, Roger, this is, this just goes to show is another pattern of a strange suicide that's associated with Jeffrey Epstein,

00:31:21.400 obviously his own being completely occluded from the record, you know, no, no records found, no cameras found.

00:31:32.780 This is something where, as far as I know, there's also a strange car accident that happened to Virginia Jeffrey about one month prior to this

00:31:44.520 that I don't think anyone has necessarily dug into much yet.

00:31:49.380 She claimed that her car was collided with a bus that was traveling 70 miles an hour,

00:31:54.280 and she was actually hospitalized at this point, and yet no police came to the scene.

00:32:04.060 Roger, these things are very strange, and this is something where we absolutely need not only the complete cooperation of the Five Eyes community,

00:32:16.760 you working with national security through our DNI, but of course with the FBI as well.

00:32:22.520 She's a U.S. citizen.

00:32:24.140 This is someone who absolutely needs to be investigated, although we've got to make sure that the individual investigators on this

00:32:31.540 are specifically chosen by Dan Bongino and Kash Patel themselves.

00:32:35.940 Jack, I think, somehow I think you may be confused.

00:32:38.820 You see, the security guards at the New York Metropolitan Correction Center,

00:32:43.380 they just happened to be sleeping, and the security cameras were just not functioning that night.

00:32:50.540 But Bill Barr came out and told us definitively, don't worry, Jeffrey Epstein definitely committed suicide,

00:32:56.840 even though one of the leading pathologists who examined Jeff Epstein said that there was no markings consistent with that finding.

00:33:07.900 I guess my biggest question here is a simple one.

00:33:12.460 The audio tapes and the hard drives that were removed from Jeffrey Epstein's safe at his palatial home in Manhattan, New York,

00:33:21.360 from his ranch in New Mexico, from his island in the Virgin Islands,

00:33:27.840 and lastly from his apartment in Paris, where are those hard drives?

00:33:33.880 Where are those video tapes?

00:33:36.920 It's a pretty simple question.

00:33:38.680 I continue to insist, look, there is no list per se.

00:33:42.980 His phone book, which I covered extensively in my book, The Clinton's War on Women,

00:33:48.400 and the manifest of the FAA as to who was on his plane, dubbed the Lolita Express,

00:33:56.580 everybody on those lists did not necessarily engage in misconduct.

00:34:01.380 But whoever's on those tapes, whoever's on those hard drives or on those DVDs did.

00:34:08.620 Now, I can understand why they wouldn't be released.

00:34:11.480 First of all, because they're probably graphic, if not pornographic.

00:34:15.120 But also, there's no reason to expose the victims.

00:34:19.920 But in this case, Virginia Giuffre, who could have easily settled for $20, $30 million with Epstein, 0.99

00:34:27.820 refused to do so, went forward with her lawsuit, and now, sadly, I believe she has been murdered.

00:34:35.960 You know, Roger, this is something where those tapes, look, and I'll just put out there that if the FBI,

00:34:43.200 and we know that the FBI confiscated those tapes early on after the arrest of Epstein,

00:34:49.700 this is something where the tapes were left, the lawyer was not given access, they came in,

00:34:56.720 and suddenly, every time they go to look for them, the tapes are completely gone,

00:35:01.180 or we're not told anywhere where they can be found.

00:35:05.420 It seems to me that those either were destroyed at one point, or, Roger,

00:35:10.320 they could have perhaps been squirreled out of the country somehow,

00:35:13.700 by perhaps some foreign intelligence service, or even a non-state actor.

00:35:19.680 This is something where, again, we, of course, want to be able to protect the victims of the situation,

00:35:24.960 but also individuals like Prince Andrew, of course, who was directly targeted by Virginia Giuffre,

00:35:32.220 and there's a number of interviews about this.

00:35:34.560 There's an excellent movie, by the way, about this, with Gillian Anderson starring,

00:35:38.920 that I thought was fantastic, that Netflix, of course, did no marketing for whatsoever.

00:35:45.000 In fact, people don't even realize that there's an Epstein movie about Prince Andrew out there

00:35:50.220 that gets into all of this.

00:35:52.780 If those documents do exist, Roger, I think we're going to have to scow the entire planet,

00:35:57.920 or documents or videos to find them.

00:36:00.460 Well, as you well know, Epstein was first convicted in Florida,

00:36:05.620 where the local prosecutor in Palm Beach County busted, handed a case for child sex trafficking,

00:36:13.800 statutory rape, and worse, which should have ended Epstein in prison for life at a minimum,

00:36:20.440 busted the charges down to simple solicitation,

00:36:23.140 and then that local prosecutor has his findings reviewed by Alberto Acosta,

00:36:33.780 who is the U.S. attorney for Miami and therefore South Florida, including Palm Beach County,

00:36:38.940 and he rubber stamps the state finding, and he tries to seal the case.

00:36:44.920 So without a valiant fight by the Palm Beach Post, we would never have known what Epstein did,

00:36:51.880 and then when he was asked, when he was appointed Secretary of Labor under the first Trump administration,

00:36:57.820 what he would say if he was asked about why he gave Epstein a pass,

00:37:02.340 he confidently said, well, I'm just going to tell the truth, that he was a CIA operative,

00:37:08.120 and I was told to seal the case.

00:37:10.760 And there you have it.

00:37:12.140 All right, we have to wrap it up.

00:37:13.360 I want to thank my guest, Jack Posobiec, the senior editor at Human Events and host of Human Events Daily.

00:37:20.160 Where can folks see the Human Events Daily show?

00:37:22.920 Roger, thanks so much.

00:37:24.000 Well, of course, we're up on Real America's Voice.

00:37:26.300 We're also carried on podcasts and Spotify, so anyone can go and check it out if you miss an episode.

00:37:32.800 All right.

00:37:33.320 Thanks to my guest, Jack Posobiec, and to our friends out there listening to The Zone.

00:37:37.360 God bless you, and Godspeed.

The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - May 02, 2025

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