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00:00:07.420 Welcome. You are entering the Stone Zone.

00:00:10.540 Well, back on March 18th and 20th at the direction of President Donald Trump,

00:00:16.380 the National Archives released the entire JFK assassination records collection

00:00:23.420 from the National Archives. Having now read all 77,000 pages, and yes, I had to burn the midnight

00:00:33.220 oil to do that, I can tell you definitively, having written a New York Times bestselling book

00:00:40.100 on the Kennedy assassination, that these records are woefully incomplete. I don't blame President

00:00:47.340 Trump, nor do I blame National Director of Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, because they adhered

00:00:53.780 exactly to the President's order. The problem is that the National Archives JFK assassination

00:01:00.440 records collection is in itself incomplete, meaning that there are thousands of documents still at

00:01:08.600 the FBI, the CIA, the Department of State, the Department of Defense, the IRS, the U.S. Army

00:01:16.440 intelligence, and elsewhere that were not included. It's interesting because we know that there

00:01:23.140 are audios, videos, and documents that were actually reviewed by the Assassination Records

00:01:32.020 Review Board, which was the last time the government set up a review process for these documents back

00:01:38.920 back in the late 90s. Nothing that I have seen, for example, addresses the fact that the House Special

00:01:47.080 Select Committee on Assassinations that was appointed in the late 70s conducted an exhaustive investigation

00:01:55.720 and concluded that organized crime had played a central role in John Kennedy's murder. Yet none of the

00:02:04.960 documents released by the National Archives addressed the question of the involvement of organized crime.

00:02:14.720 Nothing that I have seen in these documents changed my fundamental theme of my own book and my own

00:02:20.880 research, which tells me that there was a plot that involved Lyndon Baines Johnson at the helm,

00:02:28.960 the Central Intelligence Agency, organized crime, and Big Texas Oil to kill John F. Kennedy. Each one of

00:02:38.240 those entities had their own individual motive. Let's speak first of all to the motive of Lyndon Baines Johnson.

00:02:47.920 Johnson was under investigation in two of the largest corruption scandals of the 1960s. First, there was the

00:02:56.560 Bobby Baker scandal. Baker was the Secretary of the U.S. Senate. He was Lyndon Johnson's right-hand man,

00:03:04.960 some would say his bag man. No major appropriation went through the Senate in the 1950s when Johnson was

00:03:13.840 the majority leader without a payoff to Bobby Baker. Baker would later write a colorful biography that was

00:03:21.600 serialized by Politico. If you needed a prostitute or you needed a payoff or if you needed a little

00:03:31.200 assistance, well, Baker was the man in the U.S. Senate to see. Johnson maintained a suite at the old

00:03:38.800 Sheraton-Carlton Hotel in Washington, D.C., where prostitutes, both men and women, entertained senators and

00:03:47.200 congressmen. Unbeknownst to them, this was outfitted with a two-way mirror and a camera. All of this,

00:03:56.000 again, in Baker's memoir. This is why, as a Senate majority leader, Lyndon Johnson didn't lose many

00:04:03.840 votes on the floor of the U.S. Senate. Johnson was also under investigation in the Billy Sal Estes

00:04:11.280 investigation. Sal Estes was a flamboyant Texas Wheeler dealer, and he had received multiple

00:04:19.200 million-dollar contracts from the Agricultural Department regarding fertilizer tanks that,

00:04:25.760 well, didn't really exist. But he was kicking back to LBJ. In fact, the U.S. Senate hearings,

00:04:34.080 run by John J. Williams, the senator from Delaware, opened in the Senate on November 22, 1963.

00:04:43.280 Throughout that day, Johnson was in constant telephone contact with his Confederates back

00:04:48.880 in Washington to see whether his name had come up. So Lyndon Johnson knew that Attorney General Robert

00:04:58.640 F. Kennedy had begun telling people that Johnson would be dropped from the 1964 ticket and he would

00:05:06.720 be replaced. In fact, John Kennedy, according to the memoirs of his personal secretary, Evelyn Lincoln,

00:05:16.000 had told Lincoln that Governor Terry Sanford of North Carolina was the likely choice to replace LBJ.

00:05:23.520 So Johnson was a man staring into the abyss. Now, it's interesting that Robert Caro, the Pulitzer Prize-winning

00:05:34.240 author, whose book is far more famous than mine, my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ,

00:05:42.400 he won a Pulitzer Prize for a three-volume biography of LBJ. But somehow, Billy Sal Estes is never

00:05:52.320 mentioned once in that three-volume biography. It was Lyndon Johnson who convinced John Kennedy to go

00:06:02.080 to Texas. The purpose of that trip was to bind up divisions in the Democrat Party that between the

00:06:12.640 progressive wing headed by Senator Ralph Yarbrough and the bourbon or more conservative wing headed by

00:06:21.040 Senator Governor, pardon me, John Connolly. Connolly had formerly served as Johnson's chief of staff in the U.S.

00:06:30.560 Senate and in the Senate Majority Leader's Office until returning to Texas to run for governor. It never made

00:06:38.320 any sense as to why the motorcade went through the city of Dallas because on that fateful day, John F. Kennedy was

00:06:46.300 driving from the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport to the Merchandise Mart, both of them outside the city limits

00:06:54.780 of Dallas. And the easiest way to get between them was on the freeway, where the car, of course, would

00:07:01.340 never have come to a full stop. If you go to the autobiography of Jerry Bruno, who was the chief advance

00:07:10.780 man for President John F. Kennedy, Bruno records that he objected to the motorcade route that had

00:07:18.940 the president's limo and motorcade going through Dealey Plaza, where the car was required to come to a

00:07:27.260 full stop at a stop sign, and that Governor Connolly insisted that they would take that route or the entire

00:07:35.100 trip to Texas would be canceled. We also know because of the memoirs of Jacqueline Kennedy that the night

00:07:41.900 before the assassination, Lyndon Johnson, the vice president, went to JFK's suite at the Fort Worth

00:07:50.140 Hotel and argued that they should change the motorcade entourage to put his hated rival, Senator Ralph

00:07:59.260 Yarbrough, in Kennedy's car, the so-called death car, and move Governor Connolly to the vice president's

00:08:07.340 limousine, which would normally be only one car length away from the presidential limousine with a carload of

00:08:17.020 Secret Service agents between them. But the president said that would undo the whole purpose of the trip, which was

00:08:24.620 for Kennedy to be seen with Connolly. Johnson did not take this news well, storming out of the room after pitching

00:08:33.980 a fit. In fact, Jacqueline Kennedy said to her husband, what was that all about? And JFK said, well, that was just

00:08:41.020 Lyndon being Lyndon. Now, I have demonstrated in my book that the most likely shooter from the sixth floor of the Texas

00:08:50.700 School Book Depository Building is a man named Malcolm Mack Wallace. Wallace has a clear connection

00:08:57.900 to Lyndon Johnson. In 1951, Malcolm Wallace, who was a Marine Corps veteran but a much more highly

00:09:06.860 rated shot than Lee Harvey Oswald, was convicted of first-degree murder. Wallace was convicted of first-degree

00:09:14.700 murder. He was represented at trial by John Cofer, who was Lyndon Baines Johnson's personal attorney,

00:09:21.980 and he is the only man in the history of Texas jurisprudence to be convicted of murder, but to get off

00:09:31.100 with probation. So we know that the Dallas police found multiple fingerprints for Wallace, both on the

00:09:42.060 window encasement and in the cardboard boxes that fashioned the so-called crow's nest from which the

00:09:49.260 shooter from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository shot. No fewer than six people see a man

00:09:58.060 who meets the physical description of Wallace in the window, meaning of medium build, balding, and every

00:10:05.580 one of them says wearing glasses. That is most certainly not a description of Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:10:13.500 Now add to the fact that the Dallas police conduct a paraffin test on Oswald and they see that he has

00:10:22.460 no powder burns on his chest or his arms or his cheeks or his hands. So if he had indeed shot a leaky

00:10:30.940 26 dollar World War II vintage Carcano rifle, he would have had powder burns all over him. He had

00:10:41.420 none. Then there is the idea that Wallace, pardon me, that Oswald had time to get off three shots all from

00:10:49.500 behind to hit John Kennedy and kill him, hide the rifle, and then run down four flights of stairs from the

00:10:58.620 sixth floor to the sixth floor to the second floor of the Texas School Book Depository building. The

00:11:03.900 problem with that is that a another Texas School Book Depository employee, Victoria Adams, was on the

00:11:11.420 staircase between the fourth and second floor at that exact time, 90 seconds after Kennedy was shot and she

00:11:21.580 neither saw, neither saw nor heard, neither saw nor heard Lee Harvey Oswald and a Dallas police officer

00:11:27.660 records that he saw Wallace in the lunchroom on the second floor calmly eating an apple as part of his

00:11:36.620 lunch and drinking a Coke only 90 seconds after the first, the final shot hit Kennedy. So I stick to my

00:11:47.260 theory that Johnson had the greatest single motive, means and opportunity to kill John Kennedy, but I'm

00:11:58.300 not arguing that by the way that he did it alone. The Central Intelligence Agency plays a very key role in

00:12:05.500 the murder of John F. Kennedy. They had two motives. First of all, there was the botched Bay of Pigs

00:12:13.260 operation. For years we were told that the Bay of Pigs failed because the men storming the beaches in a CIA

00:12:23.420 laid out plan were cut to ribbons due to any lack of air support. But the truth is that the plan that was

00:12:31.260 approved by John F. Kennedy, the CIA plan, included 29 Panamanian flagged bombers that were supposed to be

00:12:41.900 piloted by Cuban pilots. That was canceled by the CIA the day before the invasion. This was a fiasco for

00:12:52.940 which John F. Kennedy took full responsibility. When we come back, I will tell you about the mob's

00:13:00.780 motive, but then I want to focus on the released documents regarding Senator Robert F. Kennedy.

00:13:07.020 They came out on April 18th. There's only 10,000 of them. I've also now had the opportunity to read

00:13:13.100 those, but we have just learned that there are 50,000 pages that we have not seen yet that have

00:13:21.340 not been released. You're tuned into the Stone Zone. I'm Roger Stone. Whatever you do, don't touch that

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00:14:04.860 And we're back. We're deconstructing the 77,000 documents released by the National Archives

00:14:12.060 pertaining to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. But as I was indicating,

00:14:18.220 the Central Intelligence Agency in this latest dump, at a minimum, demonstrates that they knew far

00:14:24.100 more about Lee Harvey Oswald than they ever admitted before. In addition to the Bay of Pigs

00:14:31.680 fiasco for which the CIA blamed Kennedy, for which Kennedy blamed the CIA, there was the Cuban

00:14:38.320 missile crisis. Now, we've all heard the story. There's actually a movie about it, 14 Days, about how

00:14:44.000 brave Robert and John Kennedy faced down Nikita Khrushchev, who then withdrew the missiles from Cuba.

00:14:54.620 The problem with that, of course, is that it's not true. The Pentagon and our intelligence agencies knew

00:15:00.860 in real time that the Kennedys made a secret deal that would be classified for 40 years to remove our

00:15:08.300 missiles from Turkey and Italy, NATO missiles, changing the balance of power in Europe in return

00:15:14.540 for a pledge from Khrushchev to remove the missiles from Cuba that included no on-site inspections.

00:15:20.940 Perhaps this is why John F. Kennedy said that he would smash the CIA into a million pieces.

00:15:29.500 Now we have the release of the documents regarding the murder of Senator Robert F. Kennedy. Kennedy was

00:15:37.260 murdered in the Ambassador Hotel on the night of his greatest triumph. That was his victory in the

00:15:43.660 California Democrat primary for president in 1968. I argue that Senator Kennedy probably

00:15:50.860 sealed his fate speaking to a student audience just days before in California when asked if he was

00:15:58.300 elected president. He had always given lip service to the Warren Commission conclusions, but he did say

00:16:05.260 for the first time that if elected president, he would reopen the investigation into his brother's death.

00:16:11.500 Here's the problem. Sirhan Sirhan, the man convicted of killing Robert Kennedy, was always in front of him.

00:16:19.980 He was also shooting wildly. He got off eight shots, but all eight shots are accounted for, and none of those eight shots hit Robert F. Kennedy.

00:16:31.980 According to the L.A. County Coroner, Thomas Noguchi, Robert F. Kennedy was shot from behind at the left rear of his skull at point-blank range.

00:16:45.800 That means with the barrel of the gun right up against his head.

00:16:51.500 I believe that the killer is Thane Eugene Cesar, a Filipino who was a security guard hired by the Ambassador Hotel the week before the Kennedy murder, and who abruptly quit his job and returned to the Philippines.

00:17:09.460 By the way, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. agrees with me, said so in a terrific interview with Mike Tyson, of all people.

00:17:18.340 It really is spellbinding. I wish you could see it, but it was posted on YouTube where it was very quickly taken down.

00:17:26.380 I guess it's another example of censorship.

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00:18:27.800 Look, anybody who knows me or my wife knows that we are animal lovers in the course of our marriage.

00:18:34.820 We have nine Yorkshire Terriers and one three-legged Wheaton Terrier who we got on the side of the road.

00:18:43.760 He'd been mangled by a car.

00:18:46.500 We tried to save his leg, but it had to be amputated.

00:18:49.680 It's amazing how he got along incredibly well on three legs, and he lived a long and full life as an adoptee in our household.

00:18:59.760 Some of the work that I'm proudest of during President Donald Trump's first term is when I worked as a volunteer with the White Coat Waste Project

00:19:10.860 to end the inhumane and horrific so-called scientific taxpayer-funded experiments on dogs, cats, and other primates.

00:19:23.740 We made great strides during the first Trump presidency, and the president zeroed out funding for these horrific, unscientific, but chilling experiments.

00:19:37.980 But now it appears that some of it is back.

00:19:41.040 Joining me now, Justin Goodman, Senior Vice President for Advocacy and Public Policy at the White Coat Waste Project.

00:19:48.880 For more than 15 years, Justin has led winning grassroots and lobbying campaigns to expose and end the wasteful and cruel taxpayer-funded experiments on dogs, cats, primates, and other animals.

00:20:03.760 Justin, welcome back in to the Stone Zone.

00:20:06.740 Roger, it's a pleasure to be here, and thank you for all your great advocacy for animals, suffering, and government labs.

00:20:11.940 We couldn't do this stuff without you.

00:20:13.640 Well, I really much appreciate your work, and I was happy to volunteer.

00:20:17.720 And I want to bring public attention to the issue again yet today.

00:20:22.640 While we did make great strides in the first Trump administration, and even in this administration,

00:20:29.800 so, for example, the Environmental Protection Agency, now run by former New York Congressman Lee Zeldin,

00:20:35.840 announced that it would get the agency back on track and consistent with the 2019 Trump plan to eliminate animal testing.

00:20:45.000 Other places in the government, it seems that this is not happening.

00:20:50.160 First, let's talk about EPA.

00:20:51.600 This, to me, is very good news.

00:20:54.520 Yeah, absolutely, Roger.

00:20:55.860 You know, as you know, you were one of the people who helped get this historic policy in place back in 2019.

00:21:01.060 Andrew Wheeler, then the head of the EPA under Trump 45, announced a historic plan, first in the history of the government,

00:21:09.700 that they were going to completely eliminate all animal testing by 2035, and they were going to make a 30% reduction by 2025, which is this year.

00:21:18.200 Andrew Wheeler and President Trump put the agency on track in 2019 to accomplish that.

00:21:24.980 Unfortunately, right after Andrew Wheeler and President Trump left the White House in 2021,

00:21:34.000 the Biden administration, due to pressure from scientists inside the agency as well as environmental groups,

00:21:41.620 got the Biden administration to kill the Trump plan to end animal testing at the EPA.

00:21:47.540 The environmental groups that were pressuring the Biden administration got them to do that,

00:21:52.540 to remove the deadlines to end animal testing,

00:21:55.000 and said they needed to do it in the name of environmental justice that we needed to do.

00:21:59.800 Not only did they want to completely eliminate Trump's plan,

00:22:03.360 but they wanted the EPA to do more animal testing,

00:22:06.520 again, in the name of environmental justice and other woke priorities,

00:22:09.600 like there's one example during the Biden administration where the EPA was shooting off handguns and rifles

00:22:15.740 and forcing animals to breathe the firearms emissions for gun control experiments.

00:22:20.880 In other testing, they were putting rats in cages, feeding them unhealthy diets,

00:22:26.340 and then heating up the cages to mimic climate change, allegedly,

00:22:31.480 and then pump smoke, wildfire smoke, into the cages to mimic wildfires and climate change,

00:22:38.440 interacting on people who eat crappy food.

00:22:41.980 So the mind reels, but the Trump administration, one of the first things they did,

00:22:46.980 and you and I have been advocating this since the beginning of the year,

00:22:50.080 Lee Zeldin's EPA committed to getting the agency back on track to eliminating animal testing.

00:22:55.060 So that's great news.

00:22:56.360 The EPA kills thousands and thousands of animals a year in these experiments,

00:23:00.180 rabbits, dogs, other animals.

00:23:02.360 And this is going to save a lot of tax money and a lot of animals.

00:23:05.180 So that's good news for everyone.

00:23:06.500 But like you said, it hasn't been all sunshine and rainbows, unfortunately,

00:23:10.240 over the first hundred days of the administration.

00:23:12.600 Yeah, I am still haunted by these images.

00:23:15.840 I'm sure people have seen them.

00:23:17.660 Where under Dr. Fauci, they would take beagles,

00:23:21.180 they would encase the beagles' heads in this enclosure,

00:23:24.600 and then they would pump in sand fleas that would literally eat the flesh on the faces and heads of these beagles.

00:23:34.020 Can you explain to me what the scientific value of that might be?

00:23:38.920 Yeah, of course, Roger.

00:23:40.000 So, yeah, you're referring to our landmark investigation in 2021

00:23:44.100 after we uncovered Fauci's funding for the Wuhan lab,

00:23:47.460 and we just celebrated the five-year anniversary of that investigation

00:23:51.020 and President Trump famously going on TV during the coronavirus briefing in late April

00:23:56.100 and saying, this is tremendous waste and I'm going to cut that grant.

00:23:59.300 And right there on the spot on TV,

00:24:01.000 he cut the funding for the Wuhan lab after our investigation.

00:24:03.800 Thrilled about that.

00:24:05.020 The next big Fauci scandal that we uncovered was in 2021,

00:24:08.540 where we uncovered these photographs of beagle puppies who had been drugged

00:24:13.300 and their head placed in these nest cages and they allowed biting flies to eat them alive.

00:24:20.140 And that was a project going on in a foreign country in Tunisia with U.S. taxpayer dollars,

00:24:25.280 and they were doing vaccine experiments on those dogs over there.

00:24:30.560 And unfortunately, you know, Fauci, even though he's gone from government,

00:24:34.320 and I know you've talked about this on the show, we've talked about it on the show,

00:24:37.280 you've written about it on your website.

00:24:39.200 Unfortunately, even though he's gone from government,

00:24:41.820 a lot of the animal testing that he signed off on put into motion

00:24:47.740 and was personally involved in in some cases has continued under the new administration,

00:24:54.660 under Trump, despite obviously the President and Secretary Kennedy's commitment

00:24:59.700 to wipe Anthony Fauci's fingerprints from the federal government

00:25:04.280 and fix the broken NIH that he left.

00:25:06.480 So, again, there's good news at the EPA, but we are troubled by some of the things

00:25:10.900 we're seeing at the NIH under its current director, Jay Bhattacharya.

00:25:14.340 Yeah, I saw these new records publicized by my friend Laura Loomer,

00:25:19.500 but released by White Coat Waste that reveals that the National Institute of Health

00:25:24.540 has extended funding for septic shock experiments where beagles are pumped with bacteria

00:25:29.960 and then slowly killed without pain relief.

00:25:32.720 This is actually happening inside the NIH headquarters where the new director works,

00:25:38.600 and they've renewed a $322,000 grant to Moderna billionaire Robert Langer's company

00:25:47.280 to abuse dogs in weight loss drug tests.

00:25:50.880 Elon Musk himself said online that this needs to be investigated and stopped.

00:25:58.680 I could not agree more.

00:26:00.600 Now you add to the fact that the NIH and the Pentagon are continuing to pay a lab in China,

00:26:07.780 which tortures, I'm told, 300 beagles per week.

00:26:12.060 I really don't believe the president knows about any of this.

00:26:15.980 That's my own belief, because he, too, is an animal lover.

00:26:20.460 And I see where you have appealed to the Secretary of Defense, as well as to the president,

00:26:26.200 to end this horrific, cruel, weird experiments on dogs, cats, and other animals.

00:26:33.700 Yeah, absolutely.

00:26:35.960 You know, we've been advocating since the end of last year.

00:26:38.440 I mean, since, you know, since the president was reelected in November,

00:26:41.540 we've been putting these issues at the top of our priority list for the new administration

00:26:45.520 to cut funding for dog and cat testing across these agencies.

00:26:48.480 Like you said, we're still finding evidence not only of contracts,

00:26:52.660 Biden-era contracts, Fauci contracts and grants that these guys literally signed off on

00:26:58.520 and supported, getting renewed now under the new NIH leadership.

00:27:02.040 But a lot of the projects have just continued.

00:27:05.380 But, like, you know, Fauci established and has been funding an island off of South Carolina

00:27:09.960 where there's 3,000 monkeys being held captive,

00:27:12.420 and then a few hundred are shipped off the island every year for virus experiments and NIH labs.

00:27:17.460 The NIH just renewed the funding for that.

00:27:19.680 Obviously, you mentioned the other funding they've renewed.

00:27:21.600 They've cut some grants but renewed some funding for these crazy transgender animal experiments

00:27:26.800 that we uncovered.

00:27:28.240 And I think you're right.

00:27:29.140 I think that Pete's secretary obviously doesn't know about this stuff.

00:27:34.720 I think now that Elon Musk weighed in today both about the NIH and DOD animal testing,

00:27:40.920 saying that Doge needs to investigate,

00:27:42.540 I think that, you know, the secretary will take swift and decisive action

00:27:47.140 to make sure dogs aren't being tortured in China with our tax dollars.

00:27:51.960 I mean, that's just sick and dangerous and presents national security risks, obviously.

00:27:59.120 But I don't think he wants it happening here either.

00:28:01.860 And I think the president, you know, now that folks like you and Laura Loomer and Elon

00:28:07.000 are getting involved and really making noise and speaking up about the fact

00:28:10.260 that these Biden-era Fauci holdovers who are now in the NIH are actually signing off on continually

00:28:17.300 some of these wasteful and cruel and ridiculous projects that are costing taxpayers billions of dollars a year.

00:28:24.480 So, you know, Roger, you know better than I do about how to clean out the government.

00:28:28.380 And I think we really do need to clean house at NIH.

00:28:32.340 There are people who have been there Obama years, Biden years,

00:28:35.800 who are still running the show, signing off on these grants and keeping a lot of this waste going

00:28:40.040 and keeping it alive.

00:28:41.800 And we really need folks in there who are willing to make what I consider,

00:28:46.360 most people consider easy decisions.

00:28:48.160 We shouldn't be funding experiments in China on animals.

00:28:51.020 We shouldn't be torturing cats and dogs with taxpayer dollars.

00:28:53.780 These are things that people across the political spectrum can agree on.

00:28:57.520 But there's deep state losers inside the NIH who want to keep this stuff going

00:29:01.560 and keep their jobs, and we need to get them out of there.

00:29:03.660 So, Justin, if people want to help in what I think is a really noble crusade,

00:29:10.140 where can they go online and support your important work?

00:29:14.700 Thank you for that opportunity, Roger.

00:29:16.460 I would love if folks visited whitecoatwaste.org.

00:29:19.720 That's our website.

00:29:20.420 And to follow us on social and see all the activity today with you and Laura Loomer

00:29:24.980 and Elon Musk on X on all social media platforms at whitecoatwaste.

00:29:30.220 I was interested to see that this congressman from Michigan, Sheree Athenadar,

00:29:37.900 who sponsored a resolution to impeach President Donald Trump,

00:29:43.820 not only does he have an $800,000 campaign debt,

00:29:47.580 so I think his impeachment resolution is really more about raising money for his re-election,

00:29:53.000 but in his prior career, he actually ran a laboratory where they experimented on animals,

00:30:01.280 and essentially he abandoned 118 beagles, as I understand it,

00:30:08.460 just leaving them abandoned without food or water.

00:30:12.520 This boggles the mind.

00:30:15.180 Yeah, Roger.

00:30:16.520 This is back in 2010.

00:30:18.260 I actually was involved in this case.

00:30:20.160 I was working at PETA back then.

00:30:22.940 I hadn't been there for a long time.

00:30:24.220 I've been at White Coat nearly a decade,

00:30:25.880 but I was back there, and the veterinarian from that laboratory called me,

00:30:29.940 and he was frantic, and he said,

00:30:31.820 we just got word that they were shutting the lab down,

00:30:35.040 and the owner, who we now know is current,

00:30:38.660 at the time he was just the owner of the lab,

00:30:40.440 and now we know he's a congressman now,

00:30:43.240 Sheree Athenadar from Michigan,

00:30:45.040 had left the animals there to die

00:30:46.720 and washed his hands of the whole situation after the bank took over.

00:30:50.200 So this veterinarian wanted to save those animals.

00:30:52.280 He called me and said, what can you do?

00:30:54.640 And unfortunately, PETA at the time told me that they didn't want to do anything.

00:30:59.020 They were not going to get involved.

00:31:00.820 But I have lots of friends in the animal rescue space

00:31:03.480 and was able to reach out to folks who do dog and cat rescue

00:31:07.060 and who rescue primates and bring them to sanctuaries,

00:31:09.620 and they were able to save over 170 beagles and monkeys

00:31:13.640 who were locked in Thanadar's lab at the time

00:31:16.100 and were being left for dead.

00:31:18.560 And this type of laboratory obviously has to shut down.

00:31:23.000 These laboratories exist because animal testing is big business.

00:31:26.040 The government spends $20 billion a year on animal testing of taxpayers' money,

00:31:30.320 and not only do we spend taxpayers' money on animal testing,

00:31:33.620 the FDA and other agencies have forced companies to conduct animal testing

00:31:38.220 against their will for new products,

00:31:40.280 even though it's incredibly wasteful and unnecessary and very expensive.

00:31:44.060 And that's how labs like Thanadar's exist,

00:31:47.360 because of government funding and also government mandates on private industry.

00:31:52.260 So we've seen some good movement, obviously, like we said,

00:31:54.840 at the EPA with getting rid of some of these animal testing requirements

00:31:58.780 for testing pesticides on dogs, for example,

00:32:02.060 is something the EPA is currently doing, but hopefully will end soon.

00:32:05.340 And the FDA, Marty McCurry at the FDA,

00:32:07.920 the commissioner announced a big plan a couple weeks ago,

00:32:12.120 a 10-page, I think it was like a 10-page plan they released,

00:32:16.300 outlining their priorities for reducing animal testing.

00:32:19.640 So that's all steps in the right direction.

00:32:22.380 NIH has cut some testing.

00:32:24.600 Doge has cut some testing at the NIH,

00:32:26.320 but the NIH has not yet made any sweeping announcement

00:32:29.480 about cutting animal testing.

00:32:30.960 And in fact, the only thing they have released

00:32:32.580 is a plan for more spending and more bureaucracy

00:32:35.160 that's not going to save animals.

00:32:37.400 So we're really trying to put some pressure on the NIH

00:32:40.780 to do the right thing and end these programs

00:32:43.540 that Fauci kept alive for 40 years

00:32:45.400 and finally put them in the grave where they belong.

00:32:48.420 So other than going to your website,

00:32:50.840 let's give our folks the website one more time.

00:32:53.660 It is whitecoatwaste.org

00:32:56.440 and then on social media,

00:32:58.140 at whitecoatwaste on all the platforms.

00:33:00.880 All right.

00:33:01.300 And if someone else,

00:33:02.540 if they want to take additional action,

00:33:03.940 what would you recommend?

00:33:04.680 Should they write the president?

00:33:05.880 Should they write the secretary?

00:33:07.060 Who should they write to?

00:33:08.820 I think go on social media and tag the president,

00:33:12.340 tag the head of the NIH,

00:33:13.660 Jay Bhattacharya,

00:33:14.700 at NIH,

00:33:16.260 at POTUS,

00:33:17.720 and just let these people know

00:33:19.080 you want to see taxpayer funding cut

00:33:20.940 for government animal experiments.

00:33:23.720 All right.

00:33:24.260 I want to thank our guest,

00:33:25.560 Justin Goodman.

00:33:26.340 He is the senior vice president

00:33:28.180 of advocacy and public policy

00:33:29.860 for the White Coast Waste Project.

00:33:33.760 Please, folks,

00:33:34.660 give us a hand here.

00:33:35.600 Help us save the animals.

00:33:37.420 You've been listening to The Stone Zone.

00:33:39.160 Whatever you do,

00:33:39.700 don't touch that dial

00:33:40.600 because we'll be right back.

00:33:42.460 Many thanks to our guest.

00:33:43.740 Justin, thanks for joining us.

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00:34:06.020 President Donald Trump

00:34:07.320 has now signed an executive order

00:34:09.360 ending the taxpayer subsidization

00:34:11.860 of national public radio

00:34:13.880 and the public broadcasting system,

00:34:15.900 which was both receiving,

00:34:18.720 were both receiving,

00:34:19.540 millions of dollars from taxpayers

00:34:21.160 to spread radical,

00:34:23.360 woke propaganda disguised as news.

00:34:26.500 Only days ago,

00:34:27.980 National Public Radio

00:34:29.400 went public with a report

00:34:31.640 that Secretary of Defense

00:34:33.720 Pete Hegseth's resignation

00:34:35.680 was imminent.

00:34:37.000 There was only one problem.

00:34:38.820 The report was false.

00:34:40.880 The White House published

00:34:42.340 multiple examples

00:34:43.500 of National Public Radio

00:34:45.340 and PBS's actions

00:34:47.360 that led to this decision.

00:34:49.460 The NPR issued

00:34:51.200 an editor's note

00:34:52.060 warning the Declaration

00:34:53.660 of Independence

00:34:54.480 is a document

00:34:55.960 that contains

00:34:56.880 offensive language,

00:34:58.700 for example.

00:34:59.940 NPR apologized

00:35:01.000 for calling

00:35:01.880 illegal immigrants

00:35:03.480 illegal.

00:35:04.720 They prefer

00:35:05.300 undocumented.

00:35:07.080 NPR published

00:35:08.240 a story claiming

00:35:09.040 that young men

00:35:09.860 who abstain

00:35:10.880 from masturbating

00:35:11.900 to pornography

00:35:12.700 may need to see

00:35:14.080 a doctor

00:35:14.580 or a therapist.

00:35:16.380 These are your tax dollars

00:35:17.780 paying for this.

00:35:18.920 At least they were.

00:35:20.160 National Public Radio

00:35:21.200 featured a Valentine's Day

00:35:22.600 story about queer animals

00:35:24.800 in which it was suggested

00:35:25.940 that some deer

00:35:27.700 are non-binary

00:35:29.340 and the make-believe

00:35:31.040 clownfish

00:35:31.840 in Finding Nemo

00:35:33.480 could have been

00:35:34.540 better off

00:35:35.360 as a female.

00:35:36.440 I wish I was kidding

00:35:37.660 about this stuff,

00:35:38.540 folks,

00:35:38.800 but I'm not.

00:35:39.420 PBS devoted

00:35:40.920 a panel

00:35:41.440 on what it means

00:35:42.900 to be woke

00:35:44.160 and the dangers

00:35:46.020 of white privilege.

00:35:50.260 NPR routinely

00:35:51.460 promotes the chemical

00:35:52.620 and surgical mutilation

00:35:53.860 of children

00:35:54.500 as so-called

00:35:55.700 gender-affirming care

00:35:57.360 without mentioning

00:35:58.200 the irreversible damage

00:36:00.200 caused

00:36:00.800 by these

00:36:01.900 very procedures.

00:36:04.700 In 2021,

00:36:06.100 PBS

00:36:06.880 aired a children's program

00:36:09.460 that featured

00:36:10.080 a drag queen

00:36:11.520 named

00:36:12.120 Little Miss Hot Mess.

00:36:15.180 NPR also educated

00:36:16.680 the nation

00:36:17.160 on the whole community

00:36:18.780 of queer gender

00:36:19.960 dinosaur enthusiasts

00:36:21.220 and trans seratops.

00:36:24.120 A PBS White House

00:36:26.260 correspondent

00:36:26.920 characterized

00:36:27.560 President Trump's

00:36:28.740 patriotic 2020

00:36:30.460 Mount Rushmore speech

00:36:31.960 as a love letter

00:36:33.420 to white resentment

00:36:34.980 that promoted

00:36:36.320 a myth

00:36:37.260 about America.

00:36:39.460 NPR also assigned

00:36:40.840 three reporters

00:36:41.620 to investigate

00:36:42.760 how the

00:36:43.520 thumbs up

00:36:44.560 emoji

00:36:45.200 is racist.

00:36:47.740 Through my whole life,

00:36:48.980 thumbs up

00:36:49.660 meant yes.

00:36:51.160 It's just like

00:36:51.860 the okay sign.

00:36:53.460 No,

00:36:53.660 that's not a

00:36:54.280 white supremacist

00:36:55.480 and sign.

00:36:56.020 It means okay.

00:36:57.340 It has

00:36:57.920 my entire life.

00:36:59.500 National Public Radio

00:37:00.580 also suggested

00:37:01.580 doorway sizes

00:37:03.100 are based on

00:37:04.020 latent

00:37:05.120 phobia.

00:37:07.120 Didn't even know

00:37:07.540 there was such a word.

00:37:09.420 PBS

00:37:09.780 also

00:37:10.860 suggested

00:37:12.420 in an entire movie

00:37:14.720 celebrating

00:37:15.660 a transgender

00:37:16.440 teenager's

00:37:17.340 so-called

00:37:17.840 changing

00:37:18.780 gender identity.

00:37:20.960 National Public Radio

00:37:22.000 absurdly claimed

00:37:22.980 that limited

00:37:23.800 scientific evidence

00:37:24.940 of physical advantage

00:37:26.060 exists between

00:37:27.400 male and

00:37:28.760 female

00:37:29.700 athletes.

00:37:30.940 back in 2023,

00:37:32.700 PBS's

00:37:33.640 Washington Week

00:37:34.860 roundtable

00:37:35.560 covered up

00:37:37.160 Joe Biden's

00:37:37.920 clear mental

00:37:38.900 decline

00:37:39.480 with far-left

00:37:40.820 journalist

00:37:41.580 Jeffrey Goldberg

00:37:42.520 claiming that

00:37:43.060 Biden was

00:37:43.560 actually

00:37:44.060 quite acute.

00:37:46.520 Reminds me

00:37:47.000 just the other

00:37:47.520 day,

00:37:47.860 the White House

00:37:48.380 Correspondents

00:37:49.360 Association

00:37:50.000 gave an award

00:37:51.340 to a reporter

00:37:52.380 from Axios

00:37:53.200 because he had

00:37:54.240 the courage

00:37:54.740 to report

00:37:55.340 on Joe

00:37:56.080 Biden's

00:37:56.980 decline,

00:37:58.760 his mental

00:37:59.260 decline.

00:37:59.800 everybody in

00:38:00.920 that room,

00:38:01.560 everyone in

00:38:01.940 the banquet

00:38:02.360 knew about

00:38:02.960 it,

00:38:03.160 but only

00:38:03.440 this one

00:38:03.940 guy had

00:38:04.660 the courage

00:38:05.160 to write

00:38:05.920 about it.

00:38:06.720 It's

00:38:07.000 extraordinary.

00:38:08.440 Look,

00:38:08.800 I believe

00:38:09.260 in free

00:38:09.680 speech.

00:38:10.200 I believe

00:38:10.520 you can

00:38:10.860 say whatever

00:38:11.400 you wish,

00:38:11.960 but I don't

00:38:12.380 believe that

00:38:12.880 our tax

00:38:14.020 dollars should

00:38:14.580 be paying

00:38:14.980 for this

00:38:15.740 kind of

00:38:16.220 quote-unquote

00:38:17.600 journalism.

00:38:19.140 And that's

00:38:19.600 the way I

00:38:20.040 see it,

00:38:20.680 because it's

00:38:21.080 the stone-cold

00:38:21.860 truth.

00:38:22.640 I think it's

00:38:23.100 safe to say

00:38:23.660 that the vast

00:38:24.140 majority of

00:38:24.600 Americans don't

00:38:25.260 want their

00:38:25.580 tax dollars

00:38:26.220 paying for

00:38:27.080 garbage like

00:38:27.800 this as

00:38:28.320 well.

00:38:28.560 Thanks for

00:38:29.380 joining us

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00:38:31.100 Zone.

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00:38:35.460 speed.

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