The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 05-06-25

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00:00:07.460 You are entering the Stone Zone, the hottest political show on radio today.

00:00:12.700 There's a major fight brewing in the District of Columbia over President Donald Trump's nominee, Ed Martin,

00:00:20.360 who is currently serving as the interim U.S. attorney.

00:00:25.980 Martin has championed the president's agenda.

00:00:29.340 He's already investigating the circumstances of the COVID-19 pandemic and the actions of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

00:00:37.660 He's dismissed the January 6th Capitol riot cases that were improperly brought.

00:00:43.200 He is investigating the weaponization of the criminal justice system against President Trump and his allies.

00:00:50.600 He also has strongly supported Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency, which has uncovered not millions, not billions, but trillions in waste, fraud and corruption.

00:01:03.480 But Senator Tom Tillis of North Carolina is withholding his support for President Trump's nominee for U.S. attorney,

00:01:12.100 a move that could result in radical leftist judge James Boasberg actually choosing the person who would fill this role.

00:01:21.560 Boasberg is, of course, the federal judge who ruled that President Trump doesn't have the executive authority to deport violent criminals who are here illegally.

00:01:32.400 In fact, Boasberg could actually appoint former special counsel Jack Smith to the position currently temporarily held by Martin.

00:01:42.660 Trump, who announced in December that Martin would serve initially as chief of staff of the Office of Management and Budget,

00:01:49.780 then installed Martin as an interim U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia on January 20th,

00:01:55.440 later formally nominating him to take over that position.

00:01:58.260 But Martin's interim term was on May 19th, 2025, and due to D.C.'s unusual status within the federal government,

00:02:07.740 the choice of who would fill that position could actually fall to Judge Boasberg.

00:02:12.380 The powerful U.S. attorney's office in D.C. has two roles, which make it one of the most powerful perches in the American legal system.

00:02:19.540 It is a seat from which much of the lawfare directed at Trump and his supporters originated during Biden and the Obama presidency.

00:02:28.460 Due to D.C.'s special status, the office serves a role similar to a local district attorney.

00:02:34.360 But after taking over, Martin wasted no time turning the office's resources towards prosecuting violent crime

00:02:40.500 after an unprecedented period of lawlessness under President Joe Biden saw local crime zore.

00:02:47.520 But the office's secondary role is the reason Martin was installed and why his installation has struck fear in the Hart's establishment.

00:02:56.180 Martin has shifted the focus of the office, the most powerful U.S. attorney's office in the country,

00:03:01.660 to corruption within the federal government itself.

00:03:04.460 So instead of spending millions of dollars targeting everyday Americans like pro-life advocates who want to pray outside of abortion clinics

00:03:12.300 or practicing Catholics who want to go to the Latin mass or parents who go to school board meetings to object to the curriculum being forced on their children,

00:03:23.400 Martin is pursuing criminals who've enriched themselves off of taxpayers or committed voter fraud and other serious crimes.

00:03:30.480 There is talk that the president's daughter-in-law, Laura Trump, who served very ably as co-chairman of the Republican National Committee during the last election,

00:03:40.060 but who is a North Carolina native, could challenge Tillis for re-election if Tillis stands in the way of the president's crucial nomination.

00:03:50.820 You heard it first right here in the Stone Zone.

00:03:53.420 In the meantime, President Donald Trump has finally put to rest speculation that he is planning to run for another term in 2028.

00:04:03.320 Now, Steve Bannon has very effectively trolled this idea when he was asked by Chris Cuomo how that would be possible,

00:04:11.540 giving the fact that the U.S. Constitution very clearly says that no person shall be elected to more than two four-year terms.

00:04:20.460 Bannon glibly said, well, we're working on it.

00:04:24.060 I don't think there's anything to work on.

00:04:26.380 There is a constitutional prohibition, but it's very clear the president has enjoyed the speculation.

00:04:32.080 He finally, however, put it to rest in his meet the press interview.

00:04:36.580 Let's take a listen.

00:04:37.540 Are you seriously considering, Mr. President, even though it's prohibited by the Constitution, or is this about staying politically viable?

00:04:44.540 I will say this.

00:04:46.360 So many people want me to do it.

00:04:48.220 I have never had requests so strong as that.

00:04:51.960 But it's something that, to the best of my knowledge, you're not allowed to do.

00:04:55.900 I don't know if that's constitutional that they're not allowing you to do it or anything else.

00:05:00.120 But there are many people selling the 2028 hat.

00:05:03.960 But this is not something I'm looking to do.

00:05:06.260 I'm looking to have four great years and turn it over to somebody, really a great Republican, a great Republican, to carry it forward.

00:05:15.460 But I think we're going to have four years, and I think four years is plenty of time to do something really spectacular.

00:05:20.940 And there you have it.

00:05:22.600 Now, for those who thought that President Trump would just anoint Vice President J.D. Vance, well, that does not appear to be the case.

00:05:31.300 Also, there's great historical precedent here.

00:05:34.600 Ronald Reagan waited till the very last minute to anoint his eight-year Vice President, George H.W. Bush.

00:05:41.400 In 1967, former President Eisenhower, when asked who the 1968 nominee would be, well, he named possibilities of California Governor Ronald Reagan, Michigan Governor George Romney, Pennsylvania Governor William Scranton.

00:05:58.900 But he forgot to mention his own long-suffering Vice President Richard Nixon, who, of course, ended up being the nominee in 1968, and the greatest single political comeback, well, until the comeback of Donald Trump in 2024.

00:06:12.940 But Trump made it very clear that the race to be his successor would be wide open.

00:06:18.500 Let's listen to him again from Meet the Press.

00:06:21.460 You are only 100 days in.

00:06:23.320 But as we sit here today, who do you see as your successor, Mr. President?

00:06:27.040 Well, it's far too early to say that.

00:06:29.900 But, you know, I do have a Vice President, and typically it would be, and J.D.'s doing a fantastic job.

00:06:34.720 He would be at the top of the list?

00:06:35.880 It could very well be.

00:06:37.320 I don't want to get involved in that.

00:06:39.280 I think he's a fantastic, brilliant guy.

00:06:42.540 Marco is great.

00:06:43.620 There's a lot of them that are great.

00:06:45.460 I also see tremendous unity.

00:06:48.240 But certainly you would say that somebody is the VP.

00:06:51.300 If that person is outstanding, I guess that person would have an advantage.

00:06:54.860 But I think the other people would all stay in unbelievably high positions.

00:06:58.980 But, you know, it could be that he'd be challenged by somebody.

00:07:02.260 We have a lot of good people in this party.

00:07:04.320 Well, there you have it.

00:07:05.700 President Donald Trump acknowledging that J.D. Vance, his vice president, would be the front

00:07:09.820 runner, but also acknowledging that it would be a spirited contest for the nomination.

00:07:15.360 I, interestingly enough, about a week ago, right here in the Stone Zone, I mentioned the

00:07:19.860 idea that Marco Rubio has reemerged as a potential presidential candidate.

00:07:24.940 But missing from the president's list is, of course, Director of National Intelligence

00:07:29.520 Tulsi Gabbard.

00:07:30.820 Maybe it's just that I think it's time for a woman president, and she should certainly 0.99

00:07:35.660 be on any short list.

00:07:38.280 Meanwhile, President Trump has announced that the radical Houthis have given up.

00:07:43.140 They say they will stop bombing U.S. ships.

00:07:45.900 He announced that they have sent up the white flag.

00:07:50.440 The Houthis have announced they don't want to fight anymore, said President Donald Trump.

00:07:54.080 They just don't want to fight, and we will honor that.

00:07:56.240 We'll stop the bombings.

00:07:57.660 They have capitulated.

00:07:58.860 They say they will not be blowing up our ships anymore.

00:08:02.120 Secretary of State Marco Rubio then said the job was to get the attacks on ships in the

00:08:07.480 region to stop.

00:08:08.360 If that's going to stop, we will stop.

00:08:10.660 I would point out that the Houthis harassed not only U.S. ships, but ships of all nations. 0.68

00:08:15.900 In the Red Sea during the four years of the Biden presidency, but with no action by the

00:08:22.400 U.S. government.

00:08:23.840 President Trump said it was very good news and came in last night from a very good source,

00:08:28.980 although he would not confirm who exactly told him that the Houthis had sent up the

00:08:34.460 white flag of surrender.

00:08:36.460 The United States, since mid-March, has hit some 800 Houthi targets, according to an April

00:08:41.740 27th statement by U.S. Central Command.

00:08:45.160 Meanwhile, a Houthi spokesman named Mohammed al-Bukhati has denied that they will stop

00:08:52.020 attacking ships in the Red Sea in a statement he gave to Bloomberg News.

00:08:57.280 So whether the Houthis are just saving face or whether they truly do intend to continue 0.77

00:09:02.680 bombing our ships, well, that remains to be seen.

00:09:06.100 But Donald Trump is not a man to be trifled with.

00:09:09.880 In the meantime, Biden-appointed Judge Jamal Whitehead has ordered the Trump administration

00:09:16.420 to accept 1,200 additional refugees.

00:09:20.220 This federal judge on Monday ordered the Trump administration to admit these refugees into

00:09:25.140 the United States under a court order partially blocking the president's efforts to suspend

00:09:30.080 the nation's refugee admissions program.

00:09:32.980 The order from U.S. District Jamal Whitehead followed arguments from the Justice Department

00:09:38.800 and refugee resettlement agencies over how to interpret the federal appeals court ruling

00:09:44.260 that significantly narrowed an earlier decision from Judge Whitehead.

00:09:49.320 During the hearing last week, the administration said it should not only have to process 160

00:09:55.080 refugees in the country, but it would likely appeal any order requiring it to admit thousands

00:10:01.440 more.

00:10:01.920 But the judge dismissed the government's analysis, saying it was required not just reading between

00:10:07.820 the lines of the 19th Circuit's reading, but hallucinating new text that is simply not there.

00:10:13.980 Yet another example of a federal judge exceeding their authority and interfering with the president's

00:10:20.540 constitutionally based executive authority to make the nation safe.

00:10:25.360 The refugee program created by Congress in 1980 is a form of legal migration to the U.S.

00:10:32.420 meant for people displaced by war, natural disaster or persecution.

00:10:38.100 Upon beginning his second term in January 20th of January, this past January, President Donald

00:10:43.900 Trump issued a new executive order suspending the refugee program.

00:10:48.080 Whitehead is, of course, a 2023 appointee of former President Joe Biden, who has been blocking

00:10:55.100 enforcement of the president's order.

00:10:57.820 Even the famously far left Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals largely put Judge Whitehead's decision

00:11:04.480 on hold this past March, finding that the administration was likely to win the case, given the president's

00:11:10.460 broad authority to determine who was allowed to enter the country.

00:11:14.780 But the appeals court also said the government should continue processing those who have

00:11:20.180 already been approved for travel to the United States before January 20th.

00:11:24.640 During a hearing last week over how to interpret and enforce this appeals court ruling, the Justice

00:11:29.880 Department lawyer, David Kim, said the government took it to mean that only refugees who should

00:11:35.460 be processed for entry into the United States are those who were scheduled to travel to the United

00:11:40.360 States within two weeks of Trump's order.

00:11:43.360 There were only 160 migrants that met that definition, but now Biden's appointee insists that the Trump

00:11:50.300 administration must allow another 12,000 migrants into the country.

00:11:55.800 This is yet another blatantly unconstitutional overreach of the judiciary into the president's

00:12:01.660 power to protect our border.

00:12:04.360 Meanwhile, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has directed the Pentagon to limit 20 percent of our four-star

00:12:11.820 generals and admirals.

00:12:13.760 As of 2023, there were 37 four-star generals and admirals across the entire military.

00:12:20.760 This is in keeping with President Trump's order to cut the size and scope of the federal government,

00:12:26.760 and both Hegseth and the president believe they can do so without jeopardizing our national defense

00:12:32.420 or our national security.

00:12:34.120 This new order by Hegseth directs the Pentagon to cut the number of general officers in the National

00:12:39.720 Guard by 20 percent and to cut the total number of generals and flag officers across the entire

00:12:45.520 military by 10 percent.

00:12:47.720 If you're just tuning in, I'm Roger Stone.

00:12:50.100 You're listening to The Stone Zone, and we'll be right back with the hottest inside political

00:12:55.180 news anywhere on radio today.

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00:13:38.320 New York State Attorney General Letitia James is feeling the heat after a series of bombshell exposés 0.97

00:13:47.740 showing a serial history of mortgage fraud.

00:13:52.180 Let's listen to Letitia. 0.93

00:13:54.260 And you want me to sit in my seat and stand idly by and allow this craziness to happen?

00:14:01.220 You can come after me if you want.

00:14:04.240 But you elected me to stand up.

00:14:06.900 You elected me to use the law.

00:14:09.400 You elected me to go to court.

00:14:11.900 You elected me to continue to challenge this administration.

00:14:15.340 You elected me to stand up for the least of God's children. 0.72

00:14:19.800 You elected me to continue fighting on.

00:14:22.740 And I will fight on.

00:14:24.640 To me, that sounds like a politician in full panic mode.

00:14:29.480 And it's understandable.

00:14:31.780 Joining us now is Sam Antar.

00:14:33.980 Sam is a former certified public accountant whose career trajectory took a remarkable turn.

00:14:39.940 He was once convicted as a participant in one of the largest security fraud screams in the country.

00:14:47.860 He paid his debt to society and reinvented himself using his forensic accounting skills and talents to help government agencies,

00:14:56.360 law enforcement organizations, law firms, and others find public corruption and misconduct.

00:15:04.400 Sam Antar joins us now.

00:15:06.720 Sam, welcome to The Stone Zone.

00:15:09.280 And thank you for having me on, Roger.

00:15:11.360 Appreciate it.

00:15:12.100 The attorney general insists that these criticisms of her, which you have published on your website, whitecollarfraud.com,

00:15:20.880 are politically motivated, that this is retaliation and revenge,

00:15:25.360 because she, at least temporarily, convicted Donald Trump using a law that no one has ever used in New York State,

00:15:33.220 claiming that the president actually inflated the value of his assets in order to make commercial loans.

00:15:42.100 For his real estate company, loans that he paid back in full.

00:15:45.520 In fact, the lenders made $40 million in interest, and they all said they would do so again.

00:15:53.160 That case, I should point out, is on appeal, and many lawyers believe that it will be overturned.

00:15:59.800 Classic example of lawfare.

00:16:02.320 But I want to get this clear at the top.

00:16:04.720 Sam, you don't work for Donald Trump.

00:16:07.480 You're not a Republican.

00:16:08.380 I don't even think you voted for Donald Trump, and your motivations are your own.

00:16:13.120 This is not Trump-directed.

00:16:15.100 Is that correct?

00:16:16.040 That is 100% correct.

00:16:18.720 My investigation of Letitia James started as part of a process of me investigating other New York City officials,

00:16:27.180 which I had published on my blog, and she was just next online.

00:16:31.740 When I first saw her financial disclosures, I noticed very huge red flags.

00:16:37.660 And I said, okay, now let me just focus on her for the moment, which now is about a month.

00:16:42.640 Go ahead.

00:16:42.960 So much for the idea that Sam Antar, our guest today, is politically motivated.

00:16:49.380 Let's remember it was Letitia James who said, no one, no person is above the law.

00:16:54.380 Well, that unfortunately also for her applies to her.

00:16:59.000 Because of Sam Antar's discoveries and the publication of the facts, the head of the Federal Home Finance Administration has sent a criminal referral to the U.S. Justice Department.

00:17:13.260 Whether the Justice Department is going to take action, that remains to be seen.

00:17:16.920 But when we come back, I want to get into this with Sam Antar.

00:17:21.620 Once again, you find him at whitecollarfraud.com.

00:17:25.420 What I like about your website, Sam, is that you have all of the actual documents linked to make your overwhelming case that Letitia James,

00:17:35.520 the chief law enforcement officer of the state of New York, has engaged in serial mortgage fraud.

00:17:41.240 And also, I think she did the taxpayers of New York when it comes to her expenses, and it's all on your website.

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00:18:41.340 We're visiting with Sam Antar.

00:18:43.720 He is the editor and publisher of WhiteCollarFraud.com.

00:18:48.420 And he is among one of two investigative journalists who have uncovered a pattern of mortgage fraud

00:18:56.060 by New York Attorney General Letitia James.

00:19:00.860 She denies everything.

00:19:02.540 But we're going to get into that.

00:19:03.740 So, Sam, give us an overview of what your research has shown.

00:19:07.680 Okay.

00:19:08.760 First of all, my overview will include work of Joel Gilbert, who's also done some fantastic work.

00:19:15.440 So that people understand that I did not do this entirely myself.

00:19:19.120 There are other people that found other aspects of this fraud.

00:19:22.740 Starting around 1983 until 2021, there's a series of mortgages that Letitia James entered into, first on a Queens property and later on a Brooklyn property, that every single mortgage that was filed contained false information.

00:19:39.940 In 83, when she was much, much younger, she bought a property with her dad as father and daughter, but she took a mortgage as husband and wife.

00:19:50.260 In 2001, she purchased a property in Brooklyn by herself, and every mortgage from 2001 to 2021 shows the building as having one to four units.

00:20:02.860 Some say one unit.

00:20:03.900 Some say two units.

00:20:05.220 Some say three units.

00:20:06.240 Some say four units.

00:20:06.980 The problem with that is that the certificate of occupancy lists five units, and that's the paramount document that underwriters go by.

00:20:17.500 And by misrepresenting the number of units as four or less compared to five, which is certificate of occupancy states, she saves money on her mortgages as well.

00:20:27.440 Interest, she can put lower down payments on subsequent refinancing, she saves money on insurance, et cetera.

00:20:34.460 So there's a whole host of financial benefits that have accrued to her, starting in 1983 with the father-daughter, her husband-wife, and subsequently with the number of units where she's accrued a substantial financial benefit.

00:20:51.020 She tries to claim that all of this was a mistake, but, you know, it's not a one-off-off.

00:20:55.440 I get it.

00:20:56.000 People make a mistake.

00:20:56.880 We all make mistakes.

00:20:58.020 But every single mortgage, you're talking about at least 11 mortgages and refinancings that contain false information that accrued to her benefit.

00:21:08.580 The second area goes to Virginia.

00:21:11.060 In 2023, she purchased a property in Virginia with her niece.

00:21:15.880 She was supposed to occupy that property because she'd made a representation to the bank that she intended to make in her primary residence. 0.91

00:21:25.440 The problem here is why would she intend to make that property a primary residence when it's only a week or two before the Donald Trump trial and the mortgage required is to occupy the property within 60 days, which she did not. 1.00

00:21:40.940 So there you have a situation whereby she falsified information in order to get better mortgage terms because mortgages where the parties occupy as a primary residence means that she saves a lot of money on interest and underwriting and insurance, etc., etc., etc.

00:22:00.960 than when you're not occupying a property.

00:22:04.520 Then you have another property in Virginia that she purchased in 2020 where there are two mortgages that are disclosed on her financial disclosures with New York State but can't be found in the property records.

00:22:17.520 And one mortgage that's in the property records and one mortgage that's in the property records that's not disclosed to New York State.

00:22:23.320 Altogether, those three mortgages, whether they're disclosed or not and whether they're in their property records or not, total over $500,000 for a property that she values at most at $150,000.

00:22:35.020 So the question is, how was she able to get mortgages totaling over 300% of the value of her property?

00:22:41.600 Also, why are these mortgages unrecorded?

00:22:45.500 She also has another mortgage with Citizens Bank in Brooklyn where she puts it on a financial disclosures with New York State.

00:22:52.740 It can't be found in the property records.

00:22:54.960 Now, the motivation for not recording a mortgage in New York City I get because you want to save 2% on the mortgage tax, but that's a benefit that only accrued to her. 0.75

00:23:05.580 The responsibility for filing mortgages in New York are with the lender.

00:23:10.240 Why would the lender put themselves in such a vulnerable position by not filing a mortgage in New York?

00:23:16.520 Likewise, in Virginia, why would a lender give her two mortgages that are on a financial disclosure but not recorded whereby they're basically – they're no longer really a secured creditor.

00:23:28.160 They're just like an unsecured creditor.

00:23:29.860 They're no longer in first place.

00:23:31.080 So there's a lot of questionable behavior here, but each and every one of these questionable behaviors, whether it involves her two Virginia properties, her Brooklyn property, the Queens property she bought with her father, every single questionable transaction created a financial benefit for her.

00:23:49.140 Now, her defense, the attorney general's defense, is that she signed a power of attorney specifically telling her broker that she would not be a resident of the property in Virginia.

00:24:03.920 She also claimed that the mortgage that she got did not require her to be.

00:24:09.600 How do you address that?

00:24:12.060 Both are false.

00:24:13.040 First of all, she told her broker that she did not intend to make it her resident two weeks before she filed the power of attorney intending to make it her resident.

00:24:26.480 Okay?

00:24:27.140 So she changed course two weeks after.

00:24:31.840 She didn't correct it after the fact.

00:24:33.920 She corrected it before the fact – not really corrected it before the fact.

00:24:38.360 She made a contradictory statement early on, which she clarified that she intended to make it her primary residence.

00:24:45.980 Now, her lawyer tried to play a game whereby he said that there was another document subsequent to the power of attorney where she told the broker that she intended to make it – that she did not intend to occupy the property as a primary residence.

00:25:00.700 The problem is when you read the documentation carefully, and I put it out on my blog today, the document that he refers to as happening after she filed the power of attorney actually happened before she filed the power of attorney.

00:25:15.260 He claimed that she filled out a mortgage application after she filed the power of attorney.

00:25:20.440 Well, guess what?

00:25:21.540 Power of attorneys are issued after all the paperwork is done.

00:25:25.180 It's just for closing purposes.

00:25:27.020 So her own lawyer undermined her own defense. 0.95

00:25:30.220 In other words, on August 3rd, she says that she doesn't intend to occupy Virginia as a primary residence.

00:25:37.320 On August 17th, she says, I do intend to occupy as my primary residence.

00:25:42.360 By August 31st or September 1st, the mortgage is closed, and the mortgage is underwritten on the fact that she and her co-borrower both intended to occupy the property as their primary residence within 16 days,

00:25:56.000 which at least Letitia James never did, which is a violation of the mortgage, and also based upon her prior conduct, constitutes fraud in the inducement.

00:26:05.920 It also shows intent to deceive.

00:26:07.840 I mean, I think it is abundantly clear.

00:26:09.620 If she did move into the property in Virginia, making that her principal residence, then under New York state law, she would not be eligible to be a New York attorney general. 0.56

00:26:19.880 I looked at the law.

00:26:21.240 As soon as she moves, the office would be automatically vacated. 1.00

00:26:25.180 And, of course, if she didn't move but said she was going to, as she says in this sworn document, well, then she is guilty of mortgage fraud.

00:26:33.540 Based on your reports, the head of the Federal Home Finance Administration has sent a criminal referral to the Department of Justice.

00:26:42.860 What the Department of Justice is going to do remains to be seen, although there are public reports that a number of these mortgage companies and others have been subpoenaed in their investigation.

00:26:55.460 I note, however, that the New York Daily News, the Albany Times Union, perhaps the worst newspaper in America, and the New York One journalist Errol Lewis all insist that there's nothing to see here, that these are minor clerical errors, and this is all some kind of a political retribution play.

00:27:15.540 How do you respond to that?

00:27:17.180 Well, first of all, I am no fan of New York City Mayor Eric Adams.

00:27:20.980 I mean, what Trump did with him, I disagree, giving him a pardon.

00:27:25.000 Okay, I respectfully disagree with that, okay?

00:27:27.140 Now, when the first hint of corruption by Eric Adams came out, all these same outfits were all over him right away.

00:27:37.220 In other words, this is the worst thing that ever happened.

00:27:40.840 Now, when it's a politician that they favor, they have amnesia.

00:27:45.460 They try to play down the gravity of the offenses.

00:27:48.800 And that, to me, is really sickening because the media is supposed to be the fourth estate, okay?

00:27:55.240 The media is supposed to hold power, make power uncomfortable, hold their feet to the fire. 0.69

00:28:00.760 Here in New York, the media is basically PR people masquerading around as journalists.

00:28:06.860 It's a shame.

00:28:07.680 It does a disservice to all of us, whether we're Republicans or Democrats.

00:28:11.180 We need a legitimate media.

00:28:14.100 Today, we don't have one.

00:28:15.020 Yeah, no, the last New York politician that Errol Lewis assured us did nothing wrong was Elliot Spitzer.

00:28:20.800 We know how that worked out.

00:28:23.340 Sam, the best I can, I did a little quick research before the show, but it appears to me that the New York State Attorney General,

00:28:29.720 Letitia James, is having the Attorney General's office pay for her defense.

00:28:34.920 If that is accurate, that would seem to me in itself to be an abuse of power.

00:28:41.060 She is not accused here of misusing her authority as Attorney General, although that may yet come.

00:28:49.340 But these were personal actions that you reported on at your website, whitecollarfraud.com.

00:28:57.300 Well, here's the thing.

00:28:58.800 I haven't seen anything that verifies that she's taken money from the state for her defense.

00:29:04.920 There are ways I monitor it because New York State does disclose every single disbursement that's made in almost real time,

00:29:13.080 and I haven't seen any disbursement that relates to them paying for the legal fees.

00:29:18.080 However, what she's trying to do, let's say that they haven't paid the legal fees, and they might have, I don't know.

00:29:24.760 I haven't found it, let's put it that way.

00:29:27.000 What she's trying to do is she's trying to make it like she's being villainized because of her role as Attorney General of New York 1.00

00:29:34.900 so that she would have a legitimate reason to get reimbursement from the state. 0.99

00:29:41.140 Because if her misconduct is unrelated to a job, she has to pay out of pocket.

00:29:47.900 So she's trying to frame this as a retribution thing, not only to misdirect people away from her own wrongdoing, 0.99

00:29:55.880 but also trying to make sure that if she gets state money or is getting state money, that people can't legally challenge it.

00:30:05.000 This is yet another issue, which you have reported on, and that is her use of state resources to reimburse herself and to pay for her flights. 1.00

00:30:16.700 What is the latest on that?

00:30:18.780 Okay, I put out a flow request to New York State requesting any and all documents to and from invoice numbers, voucher numbers, flight logs, you name it.

00:30:31.380 I asked for it to New York State just yesterday or the day before I get an answer from the New York State comptroller's office saying this is what we have.

00:30:41.080 They give me an Excel spreadsheet with some document numbers, but they don't have the documents.

00:30:46.000 I said, what the hell is going on here?

00:30:47.340 You mean to say that New York State doesn't keep copies of invoice, doesn't keep copies of authorizations, doesn't keep copy of receipts, doesn't keep copies of the nature of a transaction?

00:30:58.220 Come on. First of all, okay, first of all, okay, it's bad internal controls and it's bad business practice.

00:31:05.400 But aside from that, it's telling me that possibly somebody is destroying documents and New York City is due for an FBI rate.

00:31:12.240 I kid you not, I'm not trying to be dramatic, but there is no reason that New York State does not have the documents I requested.

00:31:18.740 Invoices backing up payments for private jets, vouchers, they have nothing.

00:31:24.900 They have zero paperwork to offer me other than a spreadsheet regurgitating information that I already know.

00:31:30.920 Very, very interesting.

00:31:32.400 Just one point of correction here.

00:31:34.680 The Justice Department did not issue a pardon to Mayor Eric Adams.

00:31:39.060 They declined to prosecute him in a standing indictment.

00:31:44.040 But there are three additional indictments against Adams that are still sealed that the public has never seen.

00:31:49.400 All of them sealed, we're told, for purposes of national security.

00:31:53.900 It's interesting to me that the one indictment we do know about pertains to campaign finance fraud.

00:32:01.980 It is alleged in that indictment that Mayor Adams took $100,000 from Turkish nationals, laundered it through New York City residents,

00:32:11.620 who then submitted it to the New York City's 8-to-1 campaign finance matching fund program.

00:32:19.420 But the administration elected not to pursue those charges.

00:32:24.460 The iron here, of course, is that I believe that an ongoing investigation into Letitia James' campaign financing will show that through the online payment processing app, ActBlue,

00:32:40.000 that James has taken in millions of dollars from donors who either, when they are interviewed, deny having given the contribution,

00:32:49.580 or in some cases, donors who literally don't exist.

00:32:53.660 So there's a lot more to this story than just the pattern of mortgage fraud.

00:32:59.760 If you're just tuning in, we're talking to Sam Antar, a very interesting character, once himself convicted in one of the largest security fraud schemes in the country,

00:33:09.560 paid his debt to society and has reemerged using his expertise as a forensic accountant and investigator to ferret out fraud among public officials and those we elect to public office.

00:33:23.440 We'll be right back with more of Sam Antar. 0.97

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00:33:37.460 And we're back in The Stone Zone.

00:33:40.020 We're talking to Sam Antar.

00:33:42.040 He's the editor and publisher of WhiteCollarFraud.com.

00:33:46.760 And he is one of two investigative journalists who have uncovered a pattern of mortgage fraud by New York State's highest elected law enforcement officer,

00:33:58.600 Attorney General Letitia James.

00:34:01.020 Sam, you wrote,

00:34:01.940 Investigative journalism is like peeling an onion.

00:34:04.820 Layer by layer, the truth gets harder to ignore.

00:34:07.300 When it starts as a contradiction between two mortgage statements has been something far more serious.

00:34:12.200 Evidence that suggests that New York's Attorney General knowingly signed a series of false legal documents.

00:34:19.020 What began as a straightforward comparison of contradictory declarations has evolved in something far more significant.

00:34:25.720 You wrote by revisiting key evidence with fresh eyes and a deeper understanding of mortgage procedures.

00:34:32.220 I've uncovered critical details initially overlooked.

00:34:35.400 Each document, when placed in proper chronological context, tells a more troubling story.

00:34:40.520 Now, Letitia James has gone out and retained the criminal defense attorney, Abby Lowell. 1.00

00:34:47.280 His last client was Hunter Biden.

00:34:51.100 I'm familiar with Mr. Lowell's work.

00:34:54.140 I remember when New York State Senate Majority Leader Joe Bruno was charged with corruption and went to trial in Albany,

00:35:04.700 a case in which I think he was essentially framed for theft of honest services.

00:35:11.200 He did go to trial and with Lowell's defense, Bruno was convicted on all counts.

00:35:17.220 The U.S. Supreme Court then vacated that conviction,

00:35:21.360 saying that the law under which Bruno had been convicted was constitutionally too vague,

00:35:28.600 whereupon Bruno fired Abby Lowell, hired a bulldog local criminal defense attorney,

00:35:35.700 and was, upon retrial, acquitted on all counts.

00:35:41.100 Lowell himself actually sent me a letter in his defense of Hunter Biden urging me or directing me

00:35:49.780 to preserve all of my documents and emails pertaining to Hunter Biden's emails and his laptop.

00:35:56.720 That was easy because, well, I don't have any.

00:35:59.860 Never did.

00:36:00.800 Everything I know about Hunter Biden's laptop, I read in the New York Post or at Breitbart News.

00:36:07.500 I think that Lowell's 27, I think it is, page letter to the U.S. Justice Department

00:36:14.060 taking a proactive, preemptive strike against these claims was actually a mistake.

00:36:21.900 To me, it shows that the attorney general is exceedingly nervous.

00:36:25.860 Now you add to that, to this unhinged performance where she starts screaming and hollering about, 1.00

00:36:33.560 I'm not afraid of no president.

00:36:35.460 She went to college.

00:36:36.420 Why does she speak like that, Sam?

00:36:38.440 Because really, she is not a litigator.

00:36:43.440 She is just a front person. 0.99

00:36:45.900 She really does not understand the law.

00:36:48.380 All she is is a marketing tool. 1.00

00:36:50.240 That's the way that I read it, okay?

00:36:53.640 Because the best thing that her attorney did for the prosecutors was to rebut the referral letter

00:37:04.320 and to leak the rebuttal out.

00:37:06.120 Because the rebuttal that they leaked out that was written pen and paper by Abby Lowell

00:37:12.560 actually incriminates this client more than the referral does.

00:37:18.040 So my point being is that Abby Lowell, to me, if you want to go to jail,

00:37:23.860 I, Abby Lowell is your attorney. 1.00

00:37:25.620 What he did is legal malpractice, incompetent, and dumb. 1.00

00:37:30.480 He didn't even understand his own timeline. 0.99

00:37:32.940 He said August 3rd, she said that she didn't intend to occupy a property in Virginia. 0.76

00:37:39.840 August 17th, she did intend to occupy the property in Virginia. 0.97

00:37:44.000 But subsequent to that, it was corrected that she did not intend to occupy the property in Virginia.

00:37:50.160 But that subsequent connection that he claims was made was actually made three weeks earlier.

00:37:56.860 So the point being is that he doesn't know his own timeline.

00:38:00.300 He does sloppy work.

00:38:01.640 He shoots from the hip. 1.00

00:38:03.320 And I'll tell you, if I were doing crime, I would never hire this idiot. 1.00

00:38:08.900 Sam, you do tell it like it is why we love having you on the Stone Zone. 1.00

00:38:13.100 Again, you can go to Sam's own blog, whitecollarfraud.com.

00:38:18.160 He documents everything he has said here today.

00:38:20.640 Also, we have a standing invitation to the Attorney General.

00:38:23.820 She's welcome to come into the Stone Zone anytime to respond to anything we have reported on today.

00:38:29.520 I want to thank our guest, Sam Antar, for joining us today and to laying out the facts as he has reported them.

00:38:35.740 Also want to thank our listeners for tuning in.

00:38:38.420 Until we meet again, God bless you.

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The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - May 06, 2025

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