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00:01:05.440 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:01:12.420 And I'm Jake Novak in for Roger Stone here, 8.05, almost 8.06 Eastern Time.

00:01:18.040 And, you know, I've been in the news business, TV, radio, on the Internet, that kind of thing, for over 32 years.

00:01:29.880 And there are times when I get so frustrated about this industry and I start to feel like there's just not enough righteous people in it to make it deserve to continue existing.

00:01:43.540 And I've been really dealing with that today because actually because of a good thing.

00:01:51.080 Folks, I know that you haven't heard this even on your right wing media channels, and you certainly haven't heard it on your mainstream media channels.

00:02:00.180 And you probably haven't heard it among your own circles.

00:02:04.080 But I want everyone listening to stop what you're doing just for a second and pay very special attention to what I'm about to say.

00:02:09.340 It's now been more than a week since the United States Supreme Court came down with the decision that is the most momentous and positive decision for black people in this country since at least the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

00:02:27.980 And from an economic level, I absolutely believe without hyperbole and without a stretch, the biggest thing to happen to black people in this country since the Emancipation Proclamation.

00:02:36.640 This decision by the courts to not allow the districting of congressional districts based on race, which will lead to at least in the states that decide to do this, and this will be probably at least 30 of the 50 states, the destruction of these racially gerrymandered districts, which have been virtual economic no-go zones for the people who live in them for decades after decade.

00:03:04.200 this is a huge

00:03:07.200 liberation of economic

00:03:09.140 power for black people in this country

00:03:11.440 like we've never seen

00:03:13.460 because when the

00:03:15.300 slaves were freed they didn't have

00:03:17.240 the kind of economic power they have now

00:03:19.000 potential power they have now

00:03:20.420 and of course they were living in areas

00:03:23.300 where they weren't going to be given

00:03:25.220 much of a chance in the first place even under

00:03:27.040 reconstruction

00:03:27.600 you have no idea

00:03:31.220 how much economic blight

00:03:33.060 has been created in these districts where

00:03:35.480 not only

00:03:37.460 they guarantee Democrat districts,

00:03:39.180 don't get so caught up in

00:03:41.280 this whole scoreboard between Republicans

00:03:43.120 and Democrats in the House. I know it's important

00:03:45.240 and that's something for another time.

00:03:47.740 But that's going to go back and forth

00:03:49.340 from time to time. This is the destruction

00:03:51.340 of the breaking down of the walls,

00:03:53.940 the economic 1.00

00:03:55.180 walls that most of the black people 0.90

00:03:57.220 in this country have been living in for a very long time. 1.00

00:03:59.900 And you don't have to be a black person 0.82

00:04:01.240 to be excited about this because

00:04:03.660 When one group starts doing well economically in this country,

00:04:07.060 it usually trickles down and trickles sideways and trickles up.

00:04:10.800 That's the way economies are, and in this country especially.

00:04:15.280 But this is extremely exciting.

00:04:17.260 Now let me explain a little bit more why this is so exciting.

00:04:21.180 The people who represent these racially gerrymandered districts face no accountability.

00:04:27.280 They know they're going to get reelected.

00:04:29.180 That's the way the district has been drawn up.

00:04:30.940 say well jake can't they be primaried no the dnc does not allow for people to be primary just at

00:04:40.420 random they haven't had allowed an open primary process for the presidential election you think

00:04:45.880 they're going to allow it for some small district where they want to keep somebody in place

00:04:48.800 i mean they've been willing to stretch enormously to basically rig their presidential primary

00:04:55.240 systems you don't think they can get away with it in a district they're no one's paying attention to

00:04:58.260 there's no open elections in these districts

00:05:00.920 and thus there's no incentive for the leaders of these districts

00:05:04.580 to do any good by their own people

00:05:06.620 and so they don't

00:05:10.060 they don't

00:05:12.100 and the few times that well-meaning people

00:05:16.800 on both sides of the aisle I might add

00:05:18.680 have tried to work around these

00:05:21.440 walled-in prisons, economic prisons

00:05:24.280 it's taken literal acts of Congress

00:05:27.280 and literal federal programs to get it done, and it's only a smattering here and there.

00:05:34.600 A Republican congressman at the time, and then eventually the housing secretary,

00:05:39.240 and then a vice presidential candidate, and before all that, a pro football star, Jack Kemp,

00:05:45.200 saw this, knew that something had to be done.

00:05:48.700 He didn't have a Supreme Court decision destroying this districting stuff based on race in his pocket,

00:05:54.160 but he did have the idea of enterprise zones.

00:05:57.960 And a block here, a block there in some of these districts and some of them that were not part of those kinds of districts, but just places that needed economic vitality.

00:06:08.360 He he helped create. He had a big ally and a guy named Charlie Rangel, who was a congressman here in New York for a long time.

00:06:14.780 And yes, he was a black congressman. But no, most of the many decades that Charlie Rangel was running for the House, he was not in a racially gerrymandered district.

00:06:23.920 He famously represented parts of Harlem and also parts of the Upper East Side and Queen.

00:06:29.120 I mean, his district was never a majority really just kind of black district where he could just sort of coast through.

00:06:36.100 He had a mixed district most of his career.

00:06:39.160 Not always because, you know, they keep changing things.

00:06:40.980 But he understood how important this was for those other racially gerrymandered districts and also for Harlem.

00:06:48.660 And a Republican, Jack Kemp, and a Democrat, Charlie Rangel, did this.

00:06:52.020 But as great as that was, it was basically like a parachute in mission, like a paratrooper mission.

00:06:57.280 They had to kind of go in in the middle of some of these districts, get a block or two or a couple of other areas improved economically.

00:07:05.360 And then they parachuted out and then they flew out.

00:07:09.360 This will do, first of all, will bring much more political clout to black voters across the country.

00:07:15.100 instead of being members of a foregone conclusion district

00:07:18.280 where it doesn't matter whether they vote or not

00:07:20.300 suddenly a lot of them are going to become the swing voters

00:07:23.260 in congressional districts

00:07:24.920 and that's when you get paid a lot of attention to

00:07:27.280 and how does that attention materialize?

00:07:32.580 it materializes in economic attention

00:07:34.660 business opportunities

00:07:37.180 the other aspect of this is that

00:07:42.200 because there's no incentive for these

00:07:43.920 members of Congress in these now

00:07:46.140 existing racially gerrymandered districts

00:07:48.060 they end up

00:07:50.080 when businesses do want to take a shot

00:07:52.100 at doing something in those districts

00:07:54.200 they just end up shaking them down

00:07:55.660 and most of them decide not to go through with it

00:07:58.120 they don't have to

00:07:59.660 they don't really seem to care because they don't have

00:08:02.140 to care they're going to get reelected anyway

00:08:03.920 accountability

00:08:06.340 you know you talk about democracy

00:08:07.860 and whether you get all the

00:08:10.120 information for democracy to flourish

00:08:12.240 Democracy is about accountability.

00:08:13.820 This is what our founding fathers dreamed of.

00:08:16.620 They were dreaming of very powerful leaders, starting with the president, who they wanted to make very much like a monarch, but one with accountability.

00:08:26.900 And that was true for everyone who was elected, the senators and the representatives.

00:08:32.240 They wanted accountability.

00:08:34.260 And we have found many, many ways, these people in power have found many, many ways to avoid real accountability for centuries, really.

00:08:41.760 In many cases, if you are in a community where your leader has no accountability, you will not be served properly.

00:08:51.600 And in the case of most African-Americans in the country, most black people in this country live in these districts in this country.

00:08:57.640 There's been a lot of upward mobility for black people in the aggregate. 0.97

00:09:02.100 Percentage wise, they're still too far down on the economic scale. 1.00

00:09:05.800 And this is a big reason why there are plenty of people in this country who are actually even poorer than black. 0.99

00:09:11.760 people who do much better and it's not because of race and it's not because of genetics get your

00:09:18.560 mind out of the racist racist gutter it's because they don't necessarily live in these places where

00:09:25.780 they're not represented by anyone who gives a damn about them and they don't now why am I so 0.70

00:09:30.940 upset about this instead of just being excited because for the most part I am excited because

00:09:34.900 I think I'm probably I'm going to take a guess here I'm probably the only person in the news

00:09:40.980 media who has given you this news in this way since this decision you heard about the decision

00:09:47.140 you heard about how the left is upset because they think this is racist you heard about how

00:09:50.900 the right is excited because i think they're going to pick up some seats that's all true 0.95

00:09:54.280 but what kind of sick disgusting cynical people are in my business that no one has seen this 0.78

00:10:03.780 incredible emancipation in front of our eyes this is to me like the freeing of the slaves 0.98

00:10:08.640 from an economic standpoint

00:10:10.860 and I'm not going to use terms like

00:10:13.080 master or plantation or that

00:10:14.460 that's triggering stuff and I'm not going to use it like that

00:10:16.860 I do think though that this is an economic

00:10:19.040 emancipation we're going to see right before our eyes

00:10:21.060 as soon as these districts are chopped up

00:10:22.600 this is great 1.00

00:10:25.120 great news for black people and I understand

00:10:26.920 and I'm the biggest person who explains this

00:10:29.160 because this has been a big part of what I've been writing about for years

00:10:31.360 the biggest bias in the news media

00:10:33.140 is not left wing politics although it's up there

00:10:35.440 and it's not geographic bias

00:10:37.440 You know, they care about New York and D.C. and a little bit about L.A. and they don't care about the rest.

00:10:41.000 Those are very, very big biases in the news media.

00:10:43.580 But the number one bias is the bias in favor of negativity, hate, pessimism.

00:10:51.360 And boy, is it showing here?

00:10:52.780 I think that ninety nine percent of my colleagues don't even have the ability to see the good in this.

00:10:58.420 And that includes the right wingers.

00:11:00.140 That includes the Fox and the Newsmax and all those other people, because all I'm hearing from them is, well, this is going to get rid of a couple of Democrats.

00:11:06.640 So we're going to get five more. OK, but you're missing the forest for the trees, my friends.

00:11:13.660 Black people in this country have been held economic hostage by unaccountable members of Congress and they get a triple whammy, folks, because their local leaders are also indemnified from any political real accountability and their state leaders are, too.

00:11:28.100 And when we come back, I'm going to tell you about a state leader today in the state of Virginia who proves everything I was I was just telling you about everything.

00:11:37.620 And while it's something that's disappointing to hear about this person potentially doing, understand that a big part of what keeps these people in power has been removed or at least can be removed now once these states and once the federal government moves on this.

00:11:52.840 there's a lot of reasons to be optimistic here

00:11:55.960 but I want to explain to you

00:11:57.380 what evils are going to be overcome

00:11:59.480 because something happened in the state of Virginia today

00:12:01.300 where I used to live, not close from my home actually

00:12:03.540 from where I used to live, that I find

00:12:05.620 to be very, very telling

00:12:06.840 I'm Jake Novak in for Roger Stone, this is the Stone Zone

00:12:09.580 we'll be right back

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00:12:42.140 the stone zone entertaining and informative on the red apple podcast network and i'm jake

00:12:52.060 Novak with you. There's been a lot of late breaking news and, you know, we're doing a live

00:12:55.840 program. It feels a shame not to really hit you with a lot of the breaking news. And we're going

00:13:00.940 to do that. I'm going to do that in a minute because in a moment right now, because what I

00:13:05.700 just was talking about in the first segment really dovetails nicely into some breaking news today out

00:13:11.020 of the state of Virginia. But of course, also, we have breaking news on the U.S.-Iran war and a

00:13:16.160 potential peace deal that seems to be closer and closer. And in about 20 minutes, you're going to

00:13:20.300 hear from one of the most elite israeli soldiers out there who is now working also to change the

00:13:26.920 politics in israel he's going to give us an update on iran on lebanon and what's going on israel's

00:13:31.240 having an election by the way in october i know a lot of people can't believe that they're thinking

00:13:35.540 about elections now but we'll talk to him in about 20 minutes but i want to get into what

00:13:39.760 happened in the state of virginia today now the leader of the state senate in virginia is a woman

00:13:45.540 named Louise Lucas. She represents

00:13:47.260 an area called Portsmouth, Virginia.

00:13:49.620 Very close to where I spent a lot of my youth

00:13:51.680 in Norfolk, Virginia.

00:13:54.420 Parts of Portsmouth

00:13:55.560 have not changed as far as

00:13:57.500 they're rung on the economic ladder

00:13:59.060 since I lived there

00:14:00.800 45

00:14:02.360 years ago and probably many decades

00:14:05.700 before that.

00:14:07.420 Louise Lucas, yes, she is an African-American 0.98

00:14:09.640 woman. Yes, she represents an area

00:14:11.780 where she's never going to have to face 0.53

00:14:13.500 a serious election challenge and she never has.

00:14:16.360 And today the FBI raided 0.98

00:14:17.660 her offices, her district

00:14:19.520 offices, and raided a 1.00

00:14:21.460 pot dispensary, which she's one of the owners of 1.00

00:14:23.720 right near that office.

00:14:25.460 And we'll find out some of the specific charges.

00:14:28.040 What we're understanding now is a

00:14:29.520 corruption probe, a potential bribery

00:14:31.420 probe. But wait, let's just wait a minute

00:14:33.620 here. Wait a minute.

00:14:35.400 She represents a district which has been economically

00:14:37.660 depressed forever.

00:14:39.580 And I talked about one of the big

00:14:41.540 reasons for that just a moment ago you have unaccountable elected leaders for both congress

00:14:48.020 for three areas state local and federal to the congress in those areas and so they're not going

00:14:54.860 to do anything to help the economic development of that area but here we have a return to feudalism

00:15:02.280 remember feudalism i hope you learned about it in high school where the lords not only were the

00:15:08.280 kind of the political power

00:15:09.800 in a part of Europe, but they also

00:15:12.200 were the economic, they owned everything.

00:15:14.600 And here you have Louise Lucas, modern day 1.00

00:15:16.520 feudal baron. 1.00

00:15:18.720 She's, not a lot of business going on

00:15:20.420 in Portsmouth, not anywhere near as much as there

00:15:22.360 should be, but one of the businesses they do

00:15:24.360 have is one of these legalized pot dispensaries

00:15:26.400 and by the way, Virginia is very close,

00:15:28.240 it's a few weeks away or months away

00:15:30.080 from going full on legalization

00:15:32.260 for adults. So big money here.

00:15:36.220 And she's

00:15:36.600 going to own, well,

00:15:37.680 Well, but a coincidence, she owns one of these businesses, by the way.

00:15:42.200 Is that a business that's going to help other businesses?

00:15:44.940 Is it like construction or a tech center?

00:15:48.060 No, it's going to help people get stoned.

00:15:51.080 Now, I'm not a prude.

00:15:52.660 Do I think we should criminalize all marijuana and put everyone in jail like Nelson Rockefeller?

00:15:57.840 No.

00:15:59.720 But here's a perfect example of one of the problems we have in America.

00:16:02.700 overnight in America it feels like

00:16:04.760 the government's gone

00:16:06.400 from narcs because the government

00:16:08.640 used to be all about putting everybody away

00:16:10.560 for pot and other drugs

00:16:12.160 they've gone from narcs overnight

00:16:13.960 now they're the pushers

00:16:15.360 legalized now but they're the pushers

00:16:18.200 and you know what I don't like

00:16:20.580 about that? Not the fact that it's been

00:16:22.560 legalized because I understand people are going

00:16:24.560 to use this but the fact that my tax

00:16:26.500 money and in this case in Virginia

00:16:28.560 our elected leaders

00:16:30.040 are being used to promote it

00:16:33.240 And it's not just going to be promoted for adults.

00:16:37.020 This kind of stuff gets to the kids and gets to people who really should not be smoking pot like ever.

00:16:43.860 Pot is a great way to keep poor people poor, to keep other people kind of where they are.

00:16:48.760 Some of the biggest proponents of legalized pot are these billionaires who don't have to worry about it.

00:16:52.620 They're fine.

00:16:54.500 Again, I'm not a prude.

00:16:55.940 Legalize it, fine.

00:16:56.840 Or at least decriminalize it.

00:16:58.160 Stop wasting time going after possession and things like that.

00:17:01.340 But does my tax money have to be used for dispensaries and for the advertising of it?

00:17:06.380 And what about all the other DUIs we're going to have?

00:17:09.100 And what about the people who are just never going to develop now because they have an easy pathway to getting stoned all the time? 1.00

00:17:17.040 Louise Lucas, she'll get her day in court. 0.86

00:17:19.940 But even if she's not found guilty of any specific crimes, I think it's a crime against humanity.

00:17:25.700 that she owns a pot dispensary in the district where she's the state senator,

00:17:30.440 where she's a state leader and can vote on the laws

00:17:32.420 to either make these places legal or not.

00:17:34.800 I mean, this is really like running all parts of the casino.

00:17:37.740 She's got the ticket. She's got the parking concession.

00:17:40.300 She's got the slots. 1.00

00:17:41.760 She also owns the horses in the horse race. 1.00

00:17:43.780 She manages the boxers in the ring. 0.96

00:17:46.040 She owns the sports. 0.96

00:17:47.000 See, I mean, this is ridiculous. 0.90

00:17:49.120 It's a return to feudalism. 0.87

00:17:52.120 One of the greatest crimes against just language in America

00:17:55.340 is how the left likes to be known as progressives.

00:17:58.480 They're not progressive.

00:17:59.840 They're regressive.

00:18:01.100 Communism is a very old idea,

00:18:03.640 most notably from the 18th century, 0.94

00:18:05.460 and it stinks.

00:18:06.200 It's failed everywhere. 0.97

00:18:08.080 Feudalism stinks. 0.79

00:18:10.580 Feudalism is really, really bad

00:18:12.420 for the general economic development of a place, 0.98

00:18:15.200 and this is what they're going for.

00:18:18.500 But again, let's be optimistic.

00:18:20.700 If we get this redistricting

00:18:22.100 because of this court decision,

00:18:23.360 and I think a lot of states are going to do it,

00:18:25.340 This will be the biggest economic freedom for black people in this country

00:18:28.600 since the Emancipation Proclamation.

00:18:30.720 Fight me on it. 0.95

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00:19:15.240 the stone zone entertaining and informative on the red apple podcast network and i'm jake novak

00:19:27.260 in for roger stone this evening wednesday evening um here in america i wanted to again remind you

00:19:33.760 that we still have so much developing breaking news in this country i told you about that raid

00:19:38.780 on the state senator's office in virginia which was a big story today and it's developing because

00:19:44.860 We don't really have any specific charges and things like that yet, so that'll be very interesting.

00:19:49.160 This is not just a random state senator.

00:19:50.900 She's the majority leader. 1.00

00:19:52.680 She's the state leader in the Senate there in Virginia, a very powerful woman, so there's that. 0.92

00:19:58.740 Also, just a lot of positive news, at least for people who want to see a complete end to things going on between the U.S. and Iran. 0.79

00:20:04.740 A lot of us are concerned that Iran will be left standing, this regime will be left standing, and then we'll just have to deal with them again later.

00:20:11.060 But for those of you who want a peace deal and have this thing ended, President Trump's talking more and more optimistically about a deal.

00:20:18.360 The markets, the people with skin in the game rallied pretty strongly today.

00:20:22.300 But I want to remind everybody that we deal with percentages when it comes to Wall Street.

00:20:28.020 And while it looks great to see a 600 point gain for the Dow and nice rallies for some of these other indices, the fact is it was not a massive rally.

00:20:39.220 This was actually a cautiously optimistic rally today, as there was yesterday.

00:20:43.640 Oh, and by the way, there was also a lot of corporate earnings news.

00:20:46.880 Now, look, there's a big argument that people are having.

00:20:49.200 And of course, the Democrats are pushing this argument that we are in a recession.

00:20:52.020 We're not. Is it a great time for everybody?

00:20:54.980 No, I don't think we're in a boom time for the consumers in this country in a way that I'd like to see because there's still too much enduring inflation and employment, while certainly not taking the hit that everyone was predicting, is not taking off either.

00:21:07.540 It's not dead, and we're certainly not losing jobs, at least not consistently.

00:21:13.740 That said, the corporations are making a lot of money.

00:21:17.500 I mean, the profits that they're pulling down now are really incredible,

00:21:21.320 especially in the chip sector because of AI,

00:21:23.660 and that's what really pushed the markets a lot higher today,

00:21:25.960 in addition to the optimism about the war ending and oil prices coming down.

00:21:31.180 But this is not a recession, folks. 0.59

00:21:33.520 I'm not saying it's a boom, and I'm not saying everyone's doing great, but, I mean, listen, can we not be ridiculous here?

00:21:40.720 It's not a recession.

00:21:42.500 Hopefully, what's going on for these corporations right now will start to trickle down to the rest of us with jobs and other things like that,

00:21:49.480 and we've got to get inflation under control, which certainly getting oil back down will have a lot to do with it.

00:21:55.800 But we also had some interesting developments on two, what I would say actually are local or state stories today,

00:22:03.520 And I think one of them is very, very important, especially, again, because I talk so much about the news media.

00:22:07.860 Look, folks, you work in the news media for 30 plus years, in my case, 32 years like me.

00:22:12.700 And there's a lot to talk about from the news media.

00:22:14.600 First and foremost, want to mention, of course, today, this morning, we learned that Ted Turner, the founder of CNN and TBS and the former owner of the Atlanta Braves and the guy who pretty much brought the 96 Summer Olympics to Atlanta, he passed away at the age of 87 today.

00:22:29.440 you know when he first died i thought to myself boy a lot of people in america under age 30 really

00:22:34.660 don't know who ted turner was and they certainly don't know how big a figure he was in america

00:22:38.440 but i have to amend that statement it's more like americans under 40 pretty much no one under 40

00:22:44.640 really knows who he is or certainly remembers how influential he was i mean he was like

00:22:51.300 rupert murdoch um i can't think of any other all these other media types owners types all wrapped

00:22:58.080 into one and he brought the idea of cable television in the way that you needed to watch

00:23:04.440 it every day whether it was to see the braves every day that was a big part of his business

00:23:08.080 or then cnn which launched in june of 1980 um and to say that ted turner and cnn blew it is a

00:23:17.640 little bit of a simplification i was at cnn when they started to blow it wasn't because of me i

00:23:23.560 promise i started there in the year 2000 they had already started that uh descent at that point

00:23:29.520 although they were still number one at the time but they had been bought out by time warner so

00:23:37.540 by that point in 1996 a big merger there and ted started to lose his influence because of that as

00:23:44.180 all things things happen when you get a corporate owner like that a bigger a bigger corporate owner

00:23:48.200 and they didn't

00:23:50.840 improve in the face of competition

00:23:52.620 they should have

00:23:53.380 and they tried for too long

00:23:56.500 just to stay the way they were

00:23:57.960 when Fox started to finally gain on them

00:24:00.260 the first few years of Fox which launched in 1996

00:24:02.720 the network was not good

00:24:04.320 it wasn't really gaining any traction on TV

00:24:06.780 and it wasn't until about

00:24:08.540 late 99 early 2000

00:24:10.520 that Fox started to gain traction

00:24:12.360 and CNN didn't improve itself accordingly

00:24:14.720 but

00:24:16.360 an interesting character but another story that i think really does involve the news media in a way

00:24:20.120 you may not realize that this group care c-a-i-r and i know you hear about the him them a lot on

00:24:24.960 if you listen to the mark levin show and it's important to learn about them council of american

00:24:30.360 islamic relations it has many connections to hamas it's basically a pro-terror group it is a

00:24:36.880 viciously anti-semitic group but it has tremendous influence especially in the newsroom speaking of

00:24:41.940 cnn that's where i first learned about care i was working at cnn and shortly after 9-11 care

00:24:47.960 started sending everybody at cnn i don't know how they got everybody's email started sending us

00:24:52.660 daily emails with their bullet points and those bullet points started to get on the air because

00:24:56.140 some of the producers and on-air people were just that lazy enough to just kind of use their

00:25:01.500 oh let's get their voices in here well there's been a leader in this country a political leader

00:25:07.740 in greg abbott the governor of texas who has a mixed record i know there's a lot of people

00:25:11.980 listening who don't like greg abbott even though you're conservatives and republicans you don't

00:25:15.780 think he's been enough of a supporter of trump or those kinds of things but he's been on fire lately

00:25:21.760 and a while back he filed he declared care a pro-terrorist group knowing that they were going

00:25:27.240 to sue him and the state for this and knowing that if they sued him he would have the right

00:25:32.780 of discovery in other words he said listen we need to see all of your financial records specific

00:25:36.820 financial records, much more specific than you usually

00:25:39.040 file with the government, so that

00:25:40.820 you can prove that you're not connected

00:25:43.060 to terrorists. And

00:25:44.780 according to Governor Abbott, he just put this out

00:25:46.960 a couple hours ago on his XFeed,

00:25:49.580 that's exactly what's happened now.

00:25:50.980 The federal court has granted his request for

00:25:52.960 all of those specific

00:25:55.100 financial records, and they're going to find some ugly

00:25:57.020 stuff, folks.

00:25:58.800 You've got to think twice when you

00:26:00.920 decide to take the people to court, because

00:26:03.260 stuff becomes public when you do that.

00:26:06.820 You know, before the Internet took away what was left of American privacy in this country and technology, the three ways you could lose your privacy in this country was to sue someone or get involved in a lawsuit, go to a hospital or divorce proceedings.

00:26:24.180 I was working at a think tank called the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars back in 1993.

00:26:29.360 This is a think tank in D.C.

00:26:30.700 It's actually taxpayer funded.

00:26:32.220 You pay for this thing.

00:26:32.940 So it's supposed to be middle of the road.

00:26:35.060 And back when I was there, there were some conservatives there.

00:26:37.500 You know, not many, but there were some.

00:26:39.140 So I guess they were sort of working on it a little bit.

00:26:42.420 And I forget his name, but one of the scholars there was an expert on privacy,

00:26:46.140 and he was bemoaning the fact that privacy was starting to get eroded in America.

00:26:50.960 Boy, if he's still alive, he must really have just thrown in the towel.

00:26:54.620 But was he right about privacy going into the dumpster?

00:26:58.900 Now, the other local, state, kind of in this case a city story,

00:27:02.720 is this ongoing battle involving Ken Griffin.

00:27:06.860 He's the biggest hedge fund guy in the country.

00:27:09.080 Citadel is the biggest hedge fund.

00:27:12.280 Ken Griffin is a huge success, multi-multi-billionaire.

00:27:15.780 As you know, a few weeks ago, Mayor Mamdani made a video that he posted on social media

00:27:21.780 right at the base, at the ground level below his penthouse,

00:27:26.100 mentioned Griffin by name and talked about how great it was that he's going to be taxing him more.

00:27:29.620 although actually that has not

00:27:31.420 been completely solidified yet

00:27:33.580 and he, it was a creepy

00:27:35.820 video, something Ken Griffin mentioned, used that

00:27:37.700 exact word, I thought the same thing too, it looked creepy

00:27:40.020 you know, here's a

00:27:41.800 pro tip, if you're

00:27:43.780 an elected leader in this country

00:27:45.200 do not demonize any individual

00:27:47.760 citizen unless they've been convicted

00:27:49.680 of a felony

00:27:50.720 period

00:27:52.840 if the person hasn't committed any crime

00:27:55.500 why are you singling out an individual

00:27:57.460 private citizen?

00:27:59.620 You can say, I don't like what his company is doing, but why would you say that?

00:28:03.300 Why would you call this person?

00:28:04.600 Why would you do this?

00:28:05.540 It's scary.

00:28:06.960 And it was only, as Ken Griffin noted yesterday, that video was taken just steps away from where Brian Thompson, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, was gunned down in December of 2024.

00:28:16.420 This isn't this isn't just like empty stuff.

00:28:18.340 This gives people beliefs that they'll get away with violence against folks when they see stuff like this.

00:28:24.120 so the latest we're hearing now is that griffin is going to feel much more comfortable about

00:28:30.920 moving more of his business and his money to miami taking jobs and tax money from new york

00:28:36.620 you know there's something that you buy in new york whether it's a penthouse or a stick of gum

00:28:40.420 that doesn't come with a tax uh revenue with it as well and he's going to take that money

00:28:47.440 off the table here in new york and potentially a lot of jobs as well

00:28:50.440 and there's something else that griffin mentioned yesterday that really resonated with me and

00:28:56.460 hopefully resonance resonates with you as well he talked about education and i talked about the

00:29:01.380 racism in this country remember eric holder when he was attorney general and said we have to have

00:29:05.540 a conversation about racism in america i would love to have a conversation with eric holder

00:29:09.860 about racism in america although i think he wanted a soliloquy a monologue i don't think he wants to

00:29:14.820 actually have a conversation because i will tell you we have systemic racism primarily against black

00:29:20.920 people in this country in two main systemic areas one is the thing i talked about the top of the

00:29:26.000 hour these racially gerrymandered districts where the people who are responsible for them know that

00:29:31.320 they are throwing the black people who live in those districts into an economic prison and they

00:29:35.440 don't care because they would much rather have their vote and they're guaranteed guy in congress

00:29:39.600 or gal in congress than to give people their full civil rights and economic rights are civil rights

00:29:44.660 And the other systemic racism in America is the public education system, where we have allowed poor performing public school districts, especially in these same black districts, to continue on and on and on because we'd rather get the teachers unions money and their vote than do right by the civil rights of the children in these schools generation after generation.

00:30:07.060 Yes, that's systemic racism.

00:30:10.400 Eric Holder and everybody else.

00:30:12.240 and you can say well what does it matter jake novak's a white guy we need to hear from only

00:30:16.760 black people no if you're going to have a conversation about racism my and other white

00:30:21.520 people although i'm not technically white that's another story i don't really believe in race so 0.79

00:30:25.900 i don't really care what you think i am but i'm not an african-american i'm not black okay let's

00:30:30.540 just say that okay if you're going to have a conversation about race then my impressions of 0.96

00:30:37.880 black people and my beliefs about them you have to hear about them they could be wrong they could 1.00

00:30:42.080 be right. That's what a conversation's all

00:30:44.020 about. Well, here it is, Eric Holder.

00:30:46.200 I see two systemic

00:30:48.080 racist things in this country

00:30:49.940 which couldn't be more harmful.

00:30:52.000 I mean, the only thing that could be more harmful, God forbid, is if we 1.00

00:30:53.980 put black people in concentration camps. 1.00

00:30:57.780 But to take away their economic 0.98

00:31:00.160 freedom with these gerrymandered districts, and to

00:31:02.100 take away the educational rights with

00:31:04.140 these school districts that are poorly performing because we

00:31:06.060 care more about these teachers unions and the

00:31:08.040 99.9% of their money

00:31:10.000 that they donate to Democrats

00:31:11.160 and the 100% of the time

00:31:12.500 that they vote for Democrats?

00:31:14.900 That's terrible racism.

00:31:16.580 And it doesn't matter

00:31:17.120 who's conducting it

00:31:17.880 just because it might be 0.98

00:31:18.560 a lot of black people 0.97

00:31:19.340 in government who are doing it. 1.00

00:31:20.280 It doesn't matter.

00:31:20.700 It's still racism.

00:31:23.860 And Ken Griffin talks about

00:31:25.220 the lack of education quality

00:31:27.220 in two of the cities

00:31:28.360 where he's had businesses,

00:31:29.200 Chicago and New York,

00:31:30.100 and how that is a huge problem

00:31:31.560 for him as well.

00:31:32.560 And Florida,

00:31:33.200 which in my opinion

00:31:34.020 used to be the laughingstock

00:31:35.140 of public education

00:31:35.980 in this country,

00:31:36.980 there's undeniably improving.

00:31:38.820 There are so many better public school districts in Florida now than there used to be.

00:31:42.520 That's a train I want to get on.

00:31:45.400 And you can understand why Ken Griffin wants to do that.

00:31:47.280 All right.

00:31:47.620 When we come back, we're going to talk to one of the elite soldiers in the Israeli Defense Forces

00:31:52.020 who's now trying to make some political change in Israel.

00:31:54.580 I'm going to ask him about the breaking news about Iran and what's going on in Lebanon, too.

00:31:57.540 He certainly knows about that kind of stuff.

00:31:58.900 Stay with us.

00:31:59.720 We'll be right back.

00:32:03.740 The Stone Zone.

00:32:05.720 Entertaining and informative.

00:32:07.500 on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:32:10.700 And I'm Jake Novak filling in for Roger Stone.

00:32:12.960 Let's get to the Middle East right now because we're on pins and needles

00:32:16.380 about whether we might get a peace deal to end the war in Iran for real,

00:32:19.980 not just a ceasefire.

00:32:20.920 On the phone with us right now, Lieutenant Colonel Eliab Dickstein.

00:32:24.960 He is from a Special Forces Commander unit, the Dub Devan unit,

00:32:29.860 and he's also the chairman of a new political party in Israel,

00:32:32.360 the Zionist Majority Movement.

00:32:34.780 Colonel Dickstein, first of all, I've got to ask you,

00:32:37.500 What do you think?

00:32:38.140 You think this actual deal might go through?

00:32:40.620 I mean, it's a big question.

00:32:43.540 Are we going to pack up and take our weapons home here in the United States?

00:32:46.440 What are we doing?

00:32:51.980 Hold on.

00:32:53.860 We might have lost him.

00:32:57.460 Oh, he dropped.

00:32:58.280 All right.

00:32:58.420 Well, I wanted to give people a little bit of an update.

00:33:00.420 We'll get his opinion in just a second.

00:33:02.560 but uh folks just so you don't so just so you know all throughout the day president trump has

00:33:08.140 been making statements that are relatively optimistic some cases very optimistic about

00:33:13.160 a possible deal to end the war well between the u.s and iran um and if that's the case

00:33:20.780 you can expect oil prices to continue to go down we're touching the mid-90s a barrel right now

00:33:26.520 markets went up today although not huge on a percentage basis and let's see if we have him

00:33:32.060 back we have him back yes all right uh sorry sorry we got cut off there tell us do you think

00:33:37.760 this deal is going to happen listen hi i think that we need to concentrate on the main thing

00:33:45.180 the main thing is the strong leader like trump going to really make a different change it doesn't

00:33:52.500 matter if it's going to be to negotiate or for a strong war to continue to roll but he has to be

00:34:00.940 to make a real change.

00:34:03.000 It means that the nuclear weapon issue,

00:34:09.060 the missiles, and the proxies in the Middle East.

00:34:13.000 All this stuff, we have to understand that on this case,

00:34:17.320 Trump is a leader not only for the American nation,

00:34:21.380 he's a leader for all the free world.

00:34:24.220 And he has commitment to Trump,

00:34:28.000 to Trump's commitment, to his legacy, to his history, to the next generation.

00:34:33.940 And Trump is a strong leader, and he serves not only the American nation.

00:34:40.100 He serves all the free world.

00:34:42.140 And you can't now compromise with some small negotiation solution.

00:34:49.600 You have to take it to a real solution that you check it and test it in the reality

00:34:55.620 if it's really make our world better?

00:35:00.060 And this is the main question that we need to ask.

00:35:03.480 And through this question,

00:35:05.200 we need to check all the results of the negotiators.

00:35:10.480 Okay?

00:35:11.940 And so this is my perspective in a brief, yeah?

00:35:15.780 Yeah.

00:35:16.080 No, I mean, I think there's a lot of moving parts here,

00:35:20.300 but I don't believe that President Trump

00:35:22.440 will be taking a weak result.

00:35:24.480 I mean, whether this is coming from a war or from a negotiation thing, I just don't think that he's feeling the pressure that other presidents would feel.

00:35:31.920 He's not caring about the polls.

00:35:33.380 He's trying to do the right thing.

00:35:35.300 And everyone should hold off on guessing what they think is going to happen until we see what happens and then react accordingly.

00:35:44.240 I agree.

00:35:45.000 I agree.

00:35:45.620 I agree about that 100 percent.

00:35:47.680 Trump is a strong leader, and the most commitment that he has now, it's more than the middle election.

00:35:57.300 He has more commitment to his legacy and to the history and to the next generation.

00:36:02.520 This is what I think.

00:36:03.340 Yeah.

00:36:03.980 I only have about three and a half minutes left.

00:36:06.120 We ran a little bit long on something.

00:36:07.360 So I want to switch right now to the political situation in Israel because elections are coming up in October.

00:36:12.640 And I know a lot of people here in the United States, even those who support Israel or people who are crazy obsessed with Israel, probably haven't been paying attention to the many political developments there.

00:36:23.160 It feels like every one of the other parties other than Netanyahu's party has started to basically coalesce against him.

00:36:30.040 And it doesn't look good for him in October, just just based on the numbers.

00:36:33.400 The former very brief prime minister, Naftali Bennett, is kind of leading the efforts to to defeat Netanyahu.

00:36:41.820 Where do you and your new party stand, and what do you think is going to happen?

00:36:47.720 Okay, it's a good question, but I prefer not to deal about all the, I would say, small politics games.

00:36:57.980 I will tell you what, the national needs of Israel is very clear.

00:37:03.260 Israel needs a broad government.

00:37:07.200 This is what we really need, that not depend on the ultra-orthodox and not depend, of course, on the Arabs, okay?

00:37:15.700 And if Bibi will be elected, so will Bibi establish the new government? 0.51

00:37:21.280 And if someone else, someone else.

00:37:23.460 But probably it's going to be the right wing going to win.

00:37:28.420 But even that, the attitude, it needs to come from perspective to unite the nation.

00:37:36.240 To unite the nation, especially after the October 7th, et cetera, et cetera, it's to establish a broad government. 0.84

00:37:45.260 This is the best Zionism steps for Israel to stability and to unite our nation. 0.50

00:37:52.700 We have a lot of problems and crises around us in the Middle East. 0.95

00:37:58.060 So at least we need to be united.

00:38:00.160 You know, I'm talking to Eliav Dixitin, and Eliav is a lieutenant colonel now in the reserves in the IDF.

00:38:09.160 And I only have a minute left, but, you know, I have to say this because I've been very, very closely following Israel's culture, history, and politics for my entire life.

00:38:18.960 And it really feels like when it comes to the actual issues, Eliav, I've never seen more unity among the Israeli people.

00:38:26.000 It's just the individual politicians.

00:38:27.580 They are so polarizing.

00:38:29.980 Netanyahu, just like Trump here in the United States, polarizes a lot of people.

00:38:33.220 I only have 10 seconds left, but do you agree?

00:38:35.800 The issue is there's been a lot of agreement.

00:38:38.660 I agree with you 100%.

00:38:40.700 And this is the difference between small politicians to be a big leadership that really thinks about the nation,

00:38:49.540 that really comes and brings some edge value.

00:38:54.040 It's a big difference to be a big leader.

00:38:57.640 Thank you so much.

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