The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 05-13-25

00:00:00.000 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:00:13.660 People love him and respect him, Roger Stone.

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00:00:18.300 It's the Stone Zone.

00:00:20.340 Here's Roger Stone.

00:00:23.340 Welcome.

00:00:24.360 You are entering the Stone Zone.

00:00:26.860 You know, the greatest title that history can bestow is that of Peacemaker.

00:00:33.540 And President Donald Trump's historic trip to the Middle East is the beginning of what I think is the Trump Doctrine.

00:00:41.980 Hopefully a new era of peace in the Middle East.

00:00:45.860 Never mind the Great Reset.

00:00:47.380 This is the Trump Reset.

00:00:49.600 President Trump making his first visit of his foreign visit, of his second term, here today in Saudi Arabia.

00:00:56.040 Here's what he had to say.

00:00:57.420 In recent years, far too many American presidents have been afflicted with the notion that it's our job to look into the souls of foreign leaders and use U.S. policy to dispense justice for their sins.

00:01:11.780 They loved using our very powerful military.

00:01:15.040 And now it's really the most powerful it's ever been.

00:01:18.420 We just are getting a budget approved.

00:01:21.100 One trillion dollars.

00:01:22.240 Highest budget we've ever had in history for military.

00:01:26.240 One trillion dollars.

00:01:28.240 And we're getting the greatest missiles, the greatest weapons.

00:01:32.340 And, you know, I hate to do it.

00:01:34.820 But you have to do it because we believe in peace through strength.

00:01:38.260 You have to have the strength.

00:01:39.260 Otherwise, bad things could happen.

00:01:40.960 But hopefully we'll never have to use any of those weapons.

00:01:45.660 Seems to be an awfully big waste of money if you're never going to use them.

00:01:49.060 But hopefully we'll never have to use them because the destructive power of some of those weapons are like nobody's seen before.

00:01:56.080 I believe it is God's job to sit in judgment, my job to defend America and to promote the fundamental interest of stability, prosperity and peace.

00:02:08.280 That's what I really want to do.

00:02:10.780 President Donald Trump abandoning the relentless drive for war that has dominated both parties in America for the last several decades of American politics.

00:02:23.100 And returning to the fundamental principle of peace through strength, first fostered by Dwight Eisenhower, then by Ronald Reagan, now by President Donald Trump.

00:02:33.620 It doesn't get any more America first than that.

00:02:36.820 This is the official birth of the Trump doctrine.

00:02:40.540 President Trump has reaffirmed the borders of Israel and their right to defend themselves from outside attacks.

00:02:46.380 America and Israel will never again, however, enjoy a special friendship in which Israel takes advantage of the United States. 0.96

00:02:55.140 And for those who were concerned that Israel had a disproportionate influence on American foreign policy, I believe that was dispelled today.

00:03:05.060 President Trump and Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu appear to be at an impasse over policy regarding a whole host of issues going forward.

00:03:15.100 It's not just Gaza and the civilian deaths there, but also Syria's borders, the firefights with Turkey and U.S.-led negotiations with Iran.

00:03:27.340 While Netanyahu opposed the hostage release of Edan Alexander, a U.S. citizen, Trump and his special envoy, Steve Witkoff, who is doing a remarkable job, by the way, fought hard and received the American after more than 500 days of captivity.

00:03:47.240 Netanyahu opposes direct talks between U.S. and Hamas, which Trump has insisted on using trusted patriots like Witkoff within the administration.

00:03:58.060 All too much success, I might add.

00:04:01.500 President Trump has also tried to bring Netanyahu to the table to negotiate with Turkey and the two countries fighting over controls of Syrian airspace.

00:04:12.300 With no meaningful movement on Netanyahu's end, Trump may authorize the sale of new jets to Turkey.

00:04:20.380 This will infuriate Israel as it reduces some of their military dominance advantage. 0.68

00:04:27.340 The president has appointed Tom Barrack, one of his closest friends and a very able executive, as our U.S. ambassador to Turkey.

00:04:36.560 In Saudi Arabia today, President Trump signed the largest defense sales agreement in U.S. history, nearly $142 billion, providing Saudi Arabia with state-of-the-art warfighting equipment and services from over a dozen U.S. defense firms.

00:04:56.180 Now, President Trump withdrew a prior requirement that obligated Saudi Arabia to fully normalize relations with Israel before proceeding with the arms sale.

00:05:06.540 And President Trump also said that the Saudis could join the highly praised Abraham Accords, perhaps the greatest peacekeeping achievement of President Trump's first term, when they are ready and on their own timeline.

00:05:22.260 Then, in a shocking announcement, President Trump said that it's time to give Syria a chance, and he shocked the audience by stating that he would lift all sanctions on Syria after discussing the matter with the crown prince.

00:05:38.480 Let's listen to President Trump himself.

00:05:40.760 President Trump, among others and friends of mine, people that I have a lot of respect for in the Middle East, I will be ordering the cessations against Syria in order to give them a chance at greatness.

00:06:10.760 That was the standing ovation that President Trump received upon that announcement, yet another public rebuke of Netanyahu's demands on America.

00:06:38.320 All of these policy decisions have been opposed by Netanyahu and his coalition wartime government.

00:06:45.280 Internally, some are questioning if Israel might need to change course in order to find new advantages in this new world President Donald Trump is making.

00:06:54.480 Frustrated by the lack of conclusion to the war in Gaza and Israel's inability to make nice with their U.S. partners in the Middle East,

00:07:02.540 President Trump, like a lion, is forging a new path, an America-first path for his country, our country, and for himself.

00:07:12.140 As I said earlier, I call it the Trump Doctrine.

00:07:15.560 At the same time, the president has recognized the humanitarian crisis going on right now in Gaza and had this shocking announcement.

00:07:25.120 When Gaza came up and I said, you know, we've got to be good to Gaza, those people are, those people are suffering, we've got to be good to Gaza, we'll, we're going to take care of that.

00:07:36.080 There's a very big need for medicine, food and medicine, and we're taking care of it.

00:07:41.920 In terms of, like, opening up more access points, or?

00:07:44.600 Very hard.

00:07:45.680 Pushing Israelis? 1.00

00:07:47.520 We are.

00:07:48.060 To open up more access points?

00:07:49.940 There we are, to get food and medicine into Gaza.

00:07:53.260 How did the prime minister respond to that?

00:07:55.180 Well, felt well about it.

00:07:59.280 So, there you have it, another bold move by the president.

00:08:03.640 Clearly, we are going to be airlifting food and medicine to those trapped in Gaza.

00:08:09.740 So, Israel will continue to be prioritized, but so will other partners, like Saudi Arabia and Turkey, when they stay on the same page as our country.

00:08:19.100 And Trump is willing to allow countries like Iran, Qatar, and others demonstrate that they're ready to enter more constructive talks on the world stage.

00:08:28.420 The president may, in fact, be turning the Middle East into what it was before the invasion of Iraq, a more multipolar region where several countries keep each other in check, less reliant on Israel's dominance, backed by American presence and American dollars.

00:08:45.180 Instead, countries pay the United States and get to do business with us as long as they treat our ally Israel well.

00:08:52.640 Now, there's much speculation that the president is going to recognize a Palestinian state.

00:08:59.480 This is completely and totally unconfirmed.

00:09:02.700 I, for one, do not believe these reports are accurate, but I'm only giving you my opinion.

00:09:09.240 There's a lot of speculation.

00:09:11.180 We've left the politics and rhetoric, and President Trump is now changing the actual material situation in the Middle East.

00:09:18.680 And he's not asking for permission, not from the deep state, not from Israel, not from anyone else in the Middle East.

00:09:25.960 We pray, along with all Americans, for peace and for President Trump's success as his mission is to put America first.

00:09:33.760 I, for one, would not be shocked to see the president, who's already in Rida, jump over to Turkey, where the Russians and the Ukrainians are scheduled to meet on Thursday for the beginning of peace talks to end that conflict.

00:09:51.880 The only thing predictable about Donald J. Trump is that he is completely and totally unpredictable.

00:09:59.500 I watched an amazing exchange between Bill O'Reilly and Sean Scott Pelley of 60 Minutes after 60 Minutes had an incredible interview with Democrat lawyer Mark Elias.

00:10:14.920 I know him well.

00:10:16.060 He showed up at my trial demanding that the judge not release to my defense attorneys the so-called crowd strikes memo,

00:10:24.660 which would have proved definitively that the claim that the Russians hacked the DNC, one of the foundational elements of the Russian collusion hoax, was categorically untrue.

00:10:37.180 Of course, the judge would not release that document.

00:10:40.140 And we would learn it only later when the head of crowd strikes, a man by the name of Sean Henry, testified under oath for the House Intelligence Committee.

00:10:49.920 But Elias actually made much of the fact that President Donald Trump, he claims, is persecuting him, that like New York Attorney General Letitia James says, he's out for revenge and retribution.

00:11:07.440 That is categorically untrue.

00:11:09.940 In fact, if you look at it historically, President Trump's predecessors, particularly Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy and his attorney brother, attorney general brother, Robert Kennedy and Barack Obama created an unprecedented use of federal power to be used to stifle their critics and to harass their opponents.

00:11:31.520 Franklin Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, during his time in office, deployed the IRS against individuals and organizations who he saw as threats to his New Deal policies.

00:11:41.280 FDR also used the IRS to attack free press.

00:11:45.280 He reportedly directed the IRS to audit the tax returns of newspaper publishers who voiced criticism of his socialist expansion of government.

00:11:53.720 This tactic was not only a means of retribution, but also used to create a chilling effect against his critics.

00:12:01.520 FDR used his immense clout to attack controversial radio commentator, Father Charles Coughlin.

00:12:08.680 Now, Coughlin has since been cast through the lens of history as a bigot and a demagogue.

00:12:13.460 But in his case, Coughlin was one of the leading voices against U.S. involvement overseas, opposing involvement in World War II.

00:12:22.280 He had been meeting with populist renegade, Huey Long, was levying attacks against FDR to a very, very large national radio audience.

00:12:32.940 FDR even had his postmaster general spy on Father Coughlin.

00:12:37.220 And then, of course, the Kennedy brothers, their regime is viewed through rose-tinted glasses today due to the assassination of both men.

00:12:45.640 But he and his brother similarly defied following, they were deified following their murders.

00:12:52.500 But both men used and abused their authority to punish their critics.

00:12:58.100 During the Kennedy administration, the FBI committed some of the most famous surveillance abuses.

00:13:04.260 As you might recall, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover authorized extensive wiretaps on civil rights leaders, including Dr. Martin Luther King.

00:13:14.480 In fact, Dr. King was wiretapped by the Kennedy Justice Department upon the strict and explicit approval of Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:13:26.120 So retribution has a long history in American politics, but in all honesty, it was the Obama and Biden administrations who engaged in the abuse of power that was known as the Russian collusion hoax.

00:13:41.920 And Donald Trump has been restrained in this regard.

00:13:45.180 You're listening to The Stone Zone.

00:13:47.220 I'm Roger Stone.

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00:14:50.880 It's The Stone Zone.

00:14:52.900 Here's Roger Stone.

00:14:55.980 To The Stone Zone, we were talking about the abuse of power by various presidents against their political opponents and critics.

00:15:05.420 Let me point out that it is no coincidence that after losing the presidency by an eyelash in 1960, Richard Nixon was subjected to a random IRS audit of his personal income taxes in 1961,

00:15:22.320 1962, and 1963, until President Kennedy felt the unfortunate cold touch of the magic bullet in Dallas.

00:15:33.280 In the meantime, breaking news today, the Biden administration claims to have added almost 400,000 jobs from July through September of last year.

00:15:43.520 But new data released this week suggests that actually none of those jobs ever really existed.

00:15:50.680 If you'd listened to the economic guru Barry Habib here in The Stone Zone, he told you this in numerous interviews.

00:15:58.800 Despite constantly gaslighting by the mainstream media, Americans knew the economy was in poor shape.

00:16:04.560 And these latest numbers released today prove it.

00:16:08.920 Month after month, the government bean counters under former President Biden published overly optimistic estimates for everything from job growth to the size of the economy,

00:16:19.000 only to then have those numbers routinely and quietly revised down later.

00:16:25.760 So every month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics produces estimates for the number of non-farm payrolls in the country,

00:16:33.420 as well as revisions for the last two months' estimates.

00:16:36.900 Under Biden, these revisions were abnormal in magnitude and direction, being revised down with unusual frequency.

00:16:44.400 You see, it was all about creating a narrative and optics for politics for re-election.

00:16:50.340 While the monthly job reports were compiled from a survey of over 600,000 businesses, of which fewer than 200,000 were actually surveyed,

00:17:00.460 the Bureau of Labor Statistics fudged the numbers month after month to create that narrative for Joe Biden's re-election,

00:17:08.800 a re-election which never happened.

00:17:11.240 Coming up on the other side, we're going to talk about President Trump's historic breakthrough

00:17:16.900 with a trade announcement announced by his Secretary of the Treasury, Scott Besant.

00:17:26.360 Scott Besant went to Geneva to work out a new trade deal with the Chinese.

00:17:33.120 Actually, it wasn't a new trade deal.

00:17:34.860 It was a trade deal that had actually been put in place in the final days of Donald Trump's first term,

00:17:40.800 but then abandoned by the Biden administration and therefore ignored by the Chinese.

00:17:46.900 Joining us coming up, Gordon Chang, an old China hand who has lived and worked in Shanghai and Hong Kong for almost two decades.

00:17:55.160 He's written a great new book, Play and Read, China's Project to Destroy America. 0.99

00:18:00.160 He's going to give us a critique of that trade deal and tell us what's going on inside Communist China.

00:18:06.840 So whatever you do, don't go away.

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00:18:10.020 You'll be right back in the Stone Zone in no time.

00:18:12.620 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

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00:18:43.900 It's the Stone Zone.

00:18:45.440 Welcome back in the Stone Zone.

00:18:50.900 Joining me now is an old China hand. 0.94

00:18:53.680 Gordon Chang has lived and worked in Shanghai and Hong Kong for almost two decades.

00:18:58.920 He is a columnist who has written regularly for The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, National Review, Barron's, and many other publications.

00:19:08.700 He's the author of several books, his most recent book, a must read, Play and Read, America's Project to Destroy America, which is now available on Amazon.

00:19:19.260 Always glad to have him.

00:19:20.840 Gordon Chang, welcome into the Stone Zone.

00:19:23.380 Well, thank you so much, Roger.

00:19:24.800 I saw a great interview that you gave with my friend Grant Stritchfield last night at Real America's Voice, which is why I reached out to you.

00:19:33.200 You have been an articulate critic of the trade deal that President Trump and Secretary Besson announced the framework for yesterday, writing, let's see.

00:19:46.960 You say the Chinese let the president have a temporary win in order to pave the way for a more comprehensive deal.

00:19:55.020 You point out that this is Trump the optimist at work, but you think ultimately cooperation with an arrogant Xi Jinping is not possible.

00:20:04.500 Tell us what you mean, Gordon.

00:20:05.480 Well, first of all, when you look at the trade deal, the effect, it certainly helps China's exporters far more than America's exporters.

00:20:14.360 So it is a win for the Chinese, but it's a small one.

00:20:18.760 And, of course, it's a temporary one because the trade arrangement only lasts for 90 days.

00:20:24.780 What Trump has said yesterday when he was speaking from the White House was that he did not intend to hurt China's factories,

00:20:31.960 but they indeed are ailing and that he would like a comprehensive agreement with China, which China promised.

00:20:38.820 So I think what's happening is that President Trump, yes, he gave China, let them off the hook, but he did that intentionally.

00:20:47.980 And I also think that he is doing it for the long term benefit in the way he looks at the Chinese and the American economies.

00:20:55.960 So he didn't cave in, as a lot of people are saying.

00:21:00.520 He's not afraid of inflation.

00:21:02.400 He's not afraid of bare shelves.

00:21:04.720 He did it because he thinks it's in everybody's long term best interest.

00:21:08.940 Now, I don't necessarily think he's going to get the deal that he wants after 90 days, but he's the president.

00:21:15.220 And that's his view that he will be able to succeed.

00:21:18.820 How stable is the situation in the ground on the ground in China?

00:21:23.800 We Americans, I think, have an imagery of a brutal regime keeping everyone in line.

00:21:30.780 But are there political factions?

00:21:34.000 Is there instability in China today?

00:21:38.040 Yes.

00:21:38.700 I don't think that Xi Jinping is as strong politically as everybody thinks.

00:21:44.100 We know that there is turbulence in the Chinese military.

00:21:47.360 For instance, Xi Jinping's number one loyalist in the People's Liberation Army, a guy named General He Weidong, has not been seen in public since March 11.

00:21:58.740 Now, most people say that Xi Jinping sacked his own guy.

00:22:02.320 But it's more likely, from what we know, that Xi Jinping's adversaries sacked General He.

00:22:08.120 And really, what we're talking about is the most important political faction in the Chinese military.

00:22:14.700 We've also seen a lot of signs of instability among China's civilians.

00:22:20.540 And, of course, Chinese people are protesting in the streets because they've lost jobs, because they're not getting their back pay, and because they're not being able to get money out of banks.

00:22:30.140 So this is not a good situation for the Communist Party.

00:22:33.700 And although it's able to maintain control through most periods, if the situation gets worse in the Chinese economy, the Communist Party is going to have a real problem hanging on.

00:22:44.800 That is very interesting.

00:22:47.160 Folks, once again, I recommend to you Gordon Chang's new book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America.

00:22:53.820 It's available today on Amazon.

00:22:56.020 I read your previous books, China's Going to War, The Great U.S.-China Tech War, Losing South Carolina, Nuclear Showdown, North Korea, all great works by Gordon Chang.

00:23:10.740 Gordon, what should the president's ultimate aim be in regard to tariffs on China?

00:23:17.300 I'd like to see a decoupling of the U.S. and China. 1.00

00:23:21.060 We heard the Treasury Secretary, Scott, dissent yesterday, talk about this on CNBC, where he said we need a strategic decoupling, in other words, for strategic goods.

00:23:34.320 I'd like to see a broader decoupling because we shouldn't be putting money into the hands of the Chinese regime, which just uses that money to assault and attack us. 0.94

00:23:44.080 But clearly, the Trump administration does not want to be reliant on China for important things like medicines, computer chips, and all the rest of it.

00:23:55.180 And that's one of the reasons why President Trump has gotten a lot of foreign investment for plants in the United States.

00:24:02.460 So, for instance, TSMC, the Taiwan chipmaker, is building something like six fabs in Arizona, near Phoenix.

00:24:11.700 That's a great story for the U.S., and we need to continue to do that because we can't rely on China for anything that we absolutely need.

00:24:20.200 I was watching your ex-feed and saw you hailing the developments in the Middle East, specifically dropping the outdated sanctions on Syria.

00:24:32.240 Indeed, as I said earlier on this show, this is the beginning of the Trump doctrine, a complete reset in the Middle East.

00:24:40.000 Given China's relationship with Iran, Iran is essentially a client state of the Communist Chinese, how do the Chinese react to these developments in the Middle East?

00:24:51.600 Yeah, President Trump just announced the lifting of sanctions on Syria a few hours ago.

00:24:57.000 So we haven't seen any official Chinese reaction, but I'm sure they're not happy at all because what China has been trying to do is to take over the new Syrian government by flooding it with money.

00:25:08.460 But the new president of Syria, Ahmed al-Shara, who, by the way, is a former militant, wants the United States to become the most influential country in Syria.

00:25:22.540 He wants American money. He wants American investment, wants trade.

00:25:28.220 He doesn't want the American military, by the way. He doesn't want aid.

00:25:32.220 And what he really wants is for the United States, he wants to replicate the American system in Syria. 0.67

00:25:40.480 If he's as good as his word and there are indications that he is, then this means the United States can stabilize a very critical part of the world.

00:25:50.740 And it means that American business will follow.

00:25:52.960 We had Colonel Douglas McGregor on the show the other day, and he expressed a view that that Chairman Xi is uneasy about the capabilities of the Chinese military, that he is not anxious to test them.

00:26:11.440 Do you share that view?

00:26:13.680 Yes.

00:26:13.960 There's been a lot of reporting that the Chinese weapons don't work as well as they're advertised.

00:26:22.600 And just as I mentioned, we know that Xi Jinping's control over the military is not as tight as people portray it to be.

00:26:30.920 So I'm not sure that Xi Jinping is confident that if he gives an order to the generals and admirals that they'll follow it.

00:26:38.180 There's a lot of, you know, the capabilities of the Chinese military.

00:26:43.960 Big topic.

00:26:45.060 But you've got to remember, it's a communist military, which means it has two lines of reporting, one military, one political.

00:26:52.220 That's no way to run a war, Roger.

00:26:54.920 And I'm sure Xi Jinping understands that.

00:26:57.860 So I believe that McGregor is absolutely right about that.

00:27:02.260 As you know, one of President Richard Nixon's great accomplishments was getting a strategic arms limitation agreement with the Russians.

00:27:11.000 He succeeded in doing that really by driving a wedge between the Russians and the Chinese. 0.79

00:27:17.520 Although both were communist nations, they had a long history of hostility, a long common border.

00:27:24.520 They were not natural allies.

00:27:26.460 In fact, they were deeply suspicious of each other.

00:27:29.060 The one thing Joe Biden seems to have accomplished was driving the Russians and the Chinese together.

00:27:35.560 Do you think President Trump can be successful in driving them apart?

00:27:41.140 I don't think so.

00:27:42.880 I think that Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin have been too close for too long.

00:27:47.500 And the reason is they see the world in the same terms.

00:27:50.080 They identify the same interests and they think they've got the same enemy, which is the United States.

00:27:55.480 Vladimir Putin is very important to Xi Jinping and vice versa.

00:28:01.200 So I don't think that it is very likely to be able to split the two apart.

00:28:06.680 It would be nice to think that we can do that, but it would be extraordinarily difficult.

00:28:11.900 And there are other ways to accomplish what we set out to do.

00:28:15.480 You know, Richard Nixon's accomplishments were historic in getting Moscow and Beijing apart.

00:28:20.120 But they were already squabbling with each other when Nixon did that.

00:28:24.500 Nixon was smart enough to understand what was going on between the two and to exploit it.

00:28:29.820 But right now, we don't have that same situation.

00:28:33.000 Moscow and Beijing are on the same page.

00:28:36.220 Very interesting.

00:28:37.140 So one of the major issues that I see in this country, of course, is the Chinese buying up hundreds of thousands of acres of prime ranch land, farmland, 1.00

00:28:49.940 but also public utilities like toll roads, bridges, tunnels, airports, harbors.

00:28:56.840 And this goes unimpeded.

00:28:59.140 In Florida, for example, Governor Ron DeSantis announced that he would pass state law that would prohibit the Chinese or anybody fronting for them from buying land in the Sunshine State.

00:29:12.440 But when you read the small print, what the law actually did was prohibit the Chinese from buying any land that was contiguous to a, quote unquote, national security site, whatever that means.

00:29:25.140 You have written quite a bit about the infiltration into all strata of U.S. society, including owning huge swaths of valuable real estate.

00:29:38.440 How deep is the Chinese infiltration in the United States?

00:29:43.280 It is pervasive.

00:29:44.820 It is every institution.

00:29:46.760 And I'll just give you an example.

00:29:47.900 You know, the first time that the Ministry of State Security contacted Eric Swalwell was not when he was on the House Intelligence Committee, where, of course, he'd be of great benefit for China.

00:29:58.880 But it was when he was on the city council of Dublin City, California.

00:30:03.640 And I'm not saying Swalwell did anything wrong.

00:30:05.880 But what I'm saying is that the Chinese, if they identified somebody so young in his career, there must be dozens, hundreds, maybe even thousands of Swalwells.

00:30:16.020 In other words, people who have been contacted by the Ministry of State Security.

00:30:20.920 This is just top to bottom, Roger.

00:30:23.940 And that's why it's so important for you to talk about these things, because we've got to get the Chinese out of our society, because they're here to do us no good. 1.00

00:30:32.520 But this is a mortal threat to the security and even the existence of the United States.

00:30:39.320 You cover this extremely well in your most recent book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America, which I note again, is available right now on Amazon.

00:30:49.800 That's by Gordon Chang, our guest here today.

00:30:53.360 Gordon, the Chinese have these police stations across the country in which they are monitoring, theoretically at least, their own Chinese citizens who are in the United States.

00:31:06.220 I'm not certain why we continue to allow this.

00:31:10.560 The singer, Jimmy Levy, the gospel singer, who's a friend, because of some contacts he said, told me that he learned he was under extensive surveillance, that he was literally being followed.

00:31:22.500 He believed that his phone was also tapped.

00:31:25.780 Why do we put up with this and what should we do about it?

00:31:29.240 Well, I don't know the why, but we certainly should not put up with it.

00:31:33.500 You know, the FBI a couple of years ago closed the Chinese police station in Chinatown, New York.

00:31:39.360 But according to the Daily Caller and New York Post reporting, there are seven to nine remaining Chinese police stations on our soil.

00:31:47.560 And there very well could be more.

00:31:49.480 What we're seeing are Ministry of State Security agents and Chinese diplomats engaging in acts which are inimicable to our security.

00:31:58.820 We can turf these people out or we can imprison them.

00:32:02.840 And we absolutely have to do that because they're not only monitored, but they coerce not only Chinese nationals, but American citizens of Chinese descent. 0.90

00:32:11.940 So we know that, for instance, in the state of New York, especially the city of New York, a lot of Chinese American organizations have very close contact with the Chinese consulate, but also with the Communist Party's United Front Work Department, which is the part of the party that subverts foreign governments.

00:32:29.580 So, yes, we got to get them out of our country, because if we don't, we will have a very large fifth column here and we have got to get them out. 1.00

00:32:39.220 If you're just tuning in, we're talking to Gordon Chang.

00:32:43.420 He's an old China hand, author of the new book, Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America. 1.00

00:32:50.200 When we come back, I'm going to ask Gordon Chang about the prospects for a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, something the Chinese have been rattling the saber about for some time, something I thought was highly likely under Joe Biden.

00:33:03.920 I want to see if he agrees with me that it is now far less likely under President Donald Trump.

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00:33:47.520 We're talking to Gordon Chang.

00:33:49.900 He has lived and worked in Shanghai and Hong Kong for almost two decades.

00:33:54.480 A columnist for Newsweek, The Hill, The Wall Street Journal, Barron's and many others writing about China.

00:34:02.140 You can find him on X, formerly known as Twitter, at Gordon G. Chang.

00:34:08.360 Gordon G. Chang on X.

00:34:11.000 He has a very lively and informative Twitter feed, X feed.

00:34:15.740 Urge you to follow him and to check it out.

00:34:18.500 The question I asked before we went to break, I thought it was highly likely, given the defensive policies of the Biden administration, that the Chinese would invade Taiwan, would take Taiwan, because I think they probably knew all they would have gotten from the Biden administration was probably a strong letter of protest.

00:34:40.500 Now, under Donald Trump, Gordon, what are the chances, in your opinion, that the Chinese will make a move to invade and take Taiwan, which, of course, they continue to insist is rightfully theirs? 0.78

00:34:53.720 Yeah, I don't think that the Chinese will start hostilities with an invasion of the main island of Taiwan.

00:35:01.440 And the reason is for what we talked about before, and that is the Chinese military is not ready.

00:35:08.400 I don't think Xi Jinping trusts it.

00:35:10.640 And also, the military doesn't really want to fight.

00:35:14.040 But that doesn't mean Taiwan is safe.

00:35:17.540 And the reason is, we know that in the last month, China has been engaged in some very provocative activities against South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Australia.

00:35:29.080 If one of these incidents goes wrong, I think there will be a general war in East Asia. 0.55

00:35:34.960 And if there's a general war in East Asia, China will move on Taiwan.

00:35:38.660 So the point is, we've got to prevent an incident from flaring up.

00:35:44.680 And the way to do that is to be strong, as President Trump is, to say that we will protect our friends and allies, and to scare the Chinese off. 0.91

00:35:55.420 If we do that, we have a chance of peace.

00:35:58.240 And by the way, I think that essentially, you know, the Chinese did not invade Taiwan during the previous administration.

00:36:06.620 And I think you're right.

00:36:07.560 They weren't afraid of Biden, but they were afraid of internal reasons.

00:36:12.300 And that's what kept them from invading.

00:36:15.820 If you're just tuning in, we're talking to Gordon Chang.

00:36:19.380 You can follow Gordon Chang on X, formerly known as Twitter.

00:36:22.880 He's at Gordon G. Chang there.

00:36:25.460 Gordon G. Chang.

00:36:26.580 He has a very lively X feed.

00:36:29.660 You had something which I really liked.

00:36:32.560 You said you could help defund China's regime by telling your broker to sell all mutual funds with Chinese or Hong Kong shares.

00:36:42.520 Illuminate us on that, if you would, Gordon.

00:36:45.040 Yeah.

00:36:45.500 A lot of people say, well, what can I do to stop China?

00:36:49.560 Well, there's things that we all can do.

00:36:52.540 One of them is that when we have a choice not to buy Chinese goods, buy American made or buy someplace else, but not China.

00:37:00.380 And the other thing is, of course, to talk to our brokers and say, look, we don't want to hold any Chinese stocks.

00:37:06.500 Most people will say, I don't hold any Chinese stocks, but they do hold mutual funds in many cases.

00:37:13.180 And many mutual funds are international in scope.

00:37:16.460 And the international mutual funds almost always have Chinese and Hong Kong stocks.

00:37:22.920 There are funds which are ex-China, ex-Hong Kong.

00:37:26.580 And those are the ones that you tell your broker, those are the ones you want.

00:37:30.360 As a matter of fact, the Chinese equities don't perform very well anyway, so you're doing yourself a favor from a point of view of making money.

00:37:39.660 But the point is, making money or not, it's not good to fund the Chinese regime.

00:37:46.960 All right.

00:37:48.040 I want to thank our guest, Gordon G. Chang.

00:37:51.300 Again, he is the author of Plan Red, China's Project to Destroy America, which is available now at Amazon.

00:37:58.460 You can also follow Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang on X, formerly known as Twitter, where he has a very, very lively and informative feed.

00:38:08.860 Gordon, thank you so much for making the time for us today and for entering the Stone Zone.

00:38:14.260 Well, thank you so much, Roger.

00:38:15.820 I really appreciate it.

00:38:17.360 And for our Stone Zone listeners out there, until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.

00:38:23.920 We'll be back tomorrow with more of the Stone Cold Truth.

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The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - May 14, 2025

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