The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - May 15, 2025


The Stone Zone ｜ 05-14-25

Topics
Patriot Act repeal proposal real ID requirements Letitia James mortgage fraud
Hosted by
Roger Stone Troy Smith Jake Novak
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Donald Trump Letitia James Joel Gilbert Roseanne Barr Sam Antar Abby Lowell Mike Collins Hunter Biden Paulina Luna Robert James Kristi Noem Pam Bondi Gabbard Hillary Clinton Marie Langen-Reikhoff Benjamin Netanyahu Glenn Greenwald Monica Lewinsky Mike Morrell Bob Menendez and 6 more
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The Patriot Act was the reform passed in the immediate fervor of September 11th, 2001, the attacks on the World Trade Center, and the Pentagon has vastly expanded government surveillance powers ever since. This allows the NSA to peer into any individual citizen s phone calls, text messages, or metadata without a warrant, as long as they are considered relevant to a terror case.

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00:00:00.300 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:07.400 Welcome. You are entering the Stone Zone, and I'm your genial host, Roger Stone.
00:00:13.820 Last week, Congresswoman Anna Polina Luna of Florida announced that she would be introducing the American Privacy Restoration Act
00:00:22.260 in order to fully repeal the Patriot Act, end the surveillance state, and restore the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
00:00:30.940 For over two decades, rogue actors within U.S. intelligence agencies have used the Patriot Act
00:00:36.780 to create the most sophisticated, unaccountable surveillance apparatus in the Western world.
00:00:42.780 That's what Luna told Breitbart News.
00:00:44.680 The Patriot Act was the reform passed in the immediate fervor of September 11, 2001,
00:00:52.780 the attacks on the World Trade Center, and the Pentagon has vastly expanded government surveillance powers ever since.
00:01:00.620 This allows the NSA to peer into any individual citizen's phone calls, text messages, emails, or metadata
00:01:08.940 without a warrant as long as they are considered, quote, relevant to a terror case.
00:01:15.760 Now, journalist Glenn Greenwald noted,
00:01:18.760 the extreme overreaching powers of the Patriot Act were always sold as being temporary.
00:01:24.140 Just a temporary solution, they told us, to the problems of radical Islamic terrorism in the aftermath of September 11.
00:01:30.940 But it's become anything but temporary, with these powers being automatically rubber-stamped by Congress every four years or so.
00:01:39.840 The September 11th official story has certainly begun to unravel.
00:01:44.760 The idea that a ragtag group of evil Muslims who hate America because of the country's freedom
00:01:50.940 were able to circumvent the most sophisticated air defense system the world has ever known 0.88
00:01:56.520 is under serious question.
00:01:59.800 Architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth have pointed out many discrepancies in the supposed evidence backing the government's story,
00:02:08.480 including, of course, the smoke and gum of World Trade Center Billing 7 collapsing into its own footprint
00:02:15.820 without having been hit by anything.
00:02:19.000 The Patriot Act has become a staple of the federal bureaucracy since its inception
00:02:23.340 and has been expanded upon immensely.
00:02:27.540 It grew infamous, and the indefinite detention provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 made it worse.
00:02:36.580 These provisions allow for American citizens to be tamed under virtually any pretense 0.81
00:02:42.280 for as long as a corrupt prosecutor or bureaucrat decides that that person was an, quote,
00:02:49.280 associated force of terrorism.
00:02:51.160 And thus, due process was eviscerated, civil liberties became a thing of the past,
00:02:57.420 and on the watch of a supposedly pro-freedom Republican Party, the Patriot Act was passed.
00:03:03.380 Now, when Trump ran for president in 2016, the true agenda behind measures such as the Patriot Act came to light.
00:03:11.060 You'll remember that secret FISA court warrants authorized the illegal spying on Donald Trump's campaign
00:03:18.180 in order to frame Trump as a Russian agent to undermine his presidency
00:03:23.400 and make a mockery of the Democrat process and to affirm the supremacy of the permanent shadow government.
00:03:32.200 Congresswoman Anna Polina Luna's proposed legislation is important
00:03:35.700 because the Republican Party needs to be all in for its repudiation of country club establishment Republicanism.
00:03:42.180 Republicanism, the party must reconcile the sins of its most recent past.
00:03:48.000 And frankly, the neocon theories that were rejected by President Donald Trump when he visited Saudi Arabia
00:03:55.680 can now be brought full circle with the repeal of the Patriot Act.
00:04:01.740 Equally heinous, in my opinion, is REAL ID. 0.52
00:04:07.160 Now, this came as kind of a shock to me.
00:04:09.660 Last week, after nearly two weeks of implementation and delays,
00:04:13.620 I learned that the federal government's new identification requirements for traveling by plane domestically
00:04:19.220 are going into effect as of May 16th.
00:04:23.180 This federally compliant ID card, known as REAL ID, can only be attained with specific records and documents
00:04:31.020 laid out by the federal government.
00:04:32.900 It's labeled by a black or gold star in the upper right corner.
00:04:38.160 Now, even though the Department of Homeland Security Secretary, Kristi Noem, promises that, at least initially,
00:04:44.940 people without a REAL ID will only have to face some, quote,
00:04:49.080 extra scrutiny at security checkpoints, it's safe to assume, as the full requirements set in over the next several weeks and months,
00:04:57.520 some number of people will show up to airports unaware that they no longer have the documentation required to board their plane.
00:05:04.740 Previously, a driver's license or a passport would suffice.
00:05:08.640 And because the process of getting through most domestic airports was grueling enough because of the deadline and the backup,
00:05:16.820 many expect air travel to be especially difficult during the transition.
00:05:22.160 Because of the absoluteness of this new requirement and the harsh punishments for noncompliance,
00:05:28.020 just picture what would happen to you if you try to get into a federal building or onto a plane without the accepted forms of ID.
00:05:35.180 It can be easy to write off real ID requirements as some kind of new rule,
00:05:39.680 which, while annoying, is probably being implemented for good reason.
00:05:43.560 But it's not.
00:05:44.720 Conservatives and Libertarians have opposed this kind of national ID for decades.
00:05:53.160 As I pointed out, the law itself, the Real ID Act, was passed way back in 2005.
00:06:00.100 Like the Patriot Act, it's one of the many measures rolled out in the wake of the 9-11 attacks
00:06:06.620 that was presented to the public as being necessary to ensure that similar attacks would never happen again.
00:06:12.660 Now we're being told that one of the principal purposes for real ID is to ensure that people who are not entitled to Social Security benefits
00:06:22.520 or welfare benefits are receiving them, and to make sure that only those who are legally eligible to vote can do so.
00:06:29.600 That sounds good, but pardon me if I'm skeptical.
00:06:36.200 The original bill specified the federal government would refuse to accept any form of ID
00:06:40.760 that did not meet the requirements that Congress has passed as of May of 2008.
00:06:47.280 As that date drew closer, a few states had implemented the new provisions.
00:06:51.760 Some governors vocally refused to comply because they oppose what is, in effect, the implementation of a national identification database.
00:07:02.020 That prompted the Department of Homeland Security to delay the deadline several times.
00:07:07.440 First, it was then a complicated range of deadlines from 2013 to 2017, based on age and state of residence,
00:07:16.180 and then to one universal deadline in October of 2020.
00:07:20.500 Then, of course, the pandemic hit, and the deadline was extended again to 2021, then 2023, and finally to today.
00:07:29.440 That's right.
00:07:30.160 It is upon us.
00:07:31.040 Now, if these new ID requirements were as crucial to the safety of air travelers and the American public at large,
00:07:38.500 as the federal government has claimed, the sheer time it's taken to implement it would be unacceptable.
00:07:43.660 That alone is a sign that perhaps the federal government's motivations are not what they are telling us they are.
00:07:50.120 Indeed, if you look back at how and why of the 9-11 attacks,
00:07:54.220 it's clear that preventing a similar attack, at most, is an extremely thin excuse for this new federal ID system,
00:08:02.520 which can be used to track every single U.S. citizen.
00:08:06.420 None of the 9-11 hijackers used fake IDs or pretended to be someone else when they checked in and boarded their flights.
00:08:13.400 At the time, an ID check was only required during check-in, but the rule has not always been enforced.
00:08:19.620 All of the hijackers who were asked to show ID presented legitimate forms of identification.
00:08:24.720 Most of them happened to be foreign passports.
00:08:28.380 All of them were Saudis. 0.63
00:08:30.560 All three hijackers were allowed to board their planes,
00:08:33.200 so it's hard to see how anyone can seriously argue with us today that some new ID requirement
00:08:38.860 that would have done nothing to stop the 9-11 attacks are crucial, preventing future attacks of the same nature.
00:08:45.580 The truth is that the real ID is just the latest chapter in the federal government's 20-year-plus campaign
00:08:52.980 to use 9-11 as an excuse to protect and expand its power.
00:08:59.540 I am opposed to real ID.
00:09:02.240 I think it is being used to keep track of every American citizen.
00:09:06.040 If Kristi Noem has illusions about running for president,
00:09:09.200 and clearly with a $200 million advertising budget that the Department of Homeland Security has,
00:09:16.500 in which she tells people in the country illegally that they should go to an app and self-deport,
00:09:23.600 she clearly does have political aspirations,
00:09:25.900 but I think her advocacy of real ID among conservatives will handicap any chance she has of political advancement. 0.54
00:09:34.780 Meanwhile, Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence,
00:09:39.340 has fired top officials leading the National Intelligence Council,
00:09:44.160 who whistleblowers have described as radically opposed to Trump.
00:09:48.680 Tulsi Gabbard has moved the agency to the office of the Director of National Intelligence, ODNI,
00:09:54.820 to ensure that she can block any politicization of intelligence. 0.60
00:09:59.660 Yesterday, Gabbard fired Mike Collins,
00:10:02.660 who was serving as the acting chair of the National Intelligence Council,
00:10:07.280 and his deputy, a woman named Maria Langan-Rieckhoff.
00:10:12.000 Collins has also whistled more complaints against him for political bias
00:10:15.980 and for deliberately undermining the incoming Trump administration.
00:10:21.040 Various officials reported that Collins was closely associated with former CIA official Mike Morrell.
00:10:28.740 Morrell is the former Deputy Director of the CIA who worked to write the public letter in 2020,
00:10:36.480 along with 51 other current or former intelligence officials,
00:10:42.220 saying that Hunter Biden's laptop had, quote,
00:10:46.160 all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation,
00:10:50.880 and to get signatures from top intelligence officials.
00:10:54.120 As for Langan-Rieckhoff, officials say she has been a key advocate for diversity, equity, inclusion initiatives,
00:11:02.540 and someone who whistleblowers, allege, is radically opposed to Trump.
00:11:07.360 Meanwhile, Gabbard is moving the National Intelligence Council from the CIA to her own office,
00:11:12.960 the Office of the Director of National Intelligence,
00:11:14.900 to directly hold accountable any improper action or politicization of intelligence.
00:11:20.940 Many intel community leakers are career bureaucrats entrenched in Washington politics.
00:11:27.620 It takes time to weed them out and fire them,
00:11:30.060 but I give Tulsi Gabbard enormous credit for her insistence on doing so.
00:11:35.860 So far, Gabbard has referred three intelligence community professionals
00:11:41.060 to the U.S. Department of Justice for criminal prosecution
00:11:44.320 over alleged leaks of classified information.
00:11:47.780 Politicization of our intelligence and leaking classified information
00:11:52.360 puts our nation's security at risk and must end, Gabbard said back in April.
00:11:57.620 Those who leak classified information will be found
00:12:00.280 and will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.
00:12:05.940 Meanwhile, the greatest title history can bestow is that of Peacemaker,
00:12:10.500 Donald Trump, as returning from his triumphant visit to Saudi Arabia,
00:12:17.180 and I think we're looking at the Great Trump Reset.
00:12:22.160 It doesn't really get more America first than this.
00:12:25.540 I believe this is the official birth of the Trump doctrine.
00:12:29.940 Now, the president has reaffirmed the borders of Israel
00:12:32.580 and their right to defend themselves from outside attacks.
00:12:35.840 America and Israel will never, however, enjoy a special relationship 0.78
00:12:39.740 where the Israelis have a disproportionate effect on American foreign policy.
00:12:45.440 Donald Trump and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
00:12:52.480 appear to be at an impasse over policy regarding a whole host of issues going forward.
00:12:57.460 It wasn't just Gaza and the civilian deaths and starvation there,
00:13:00.780 but also Syria's borders, the firefights with Turkey,
00:13:05.600 and the U.S.-led negotiations with Iran.
00:13:08.760 It is amazing.
00:13:11.020 The president has made this incredible change,
00:13:14.820 moving away from the neocons, looking for an excuse for war with Iran,
00:13:19.880 and moving us into a whole new era of prosperity and security.
00:13:26.020 Meanwhile, the president has secured massive investments for the United States.
00:13:31.300 We'll be right back in the Stone Zone to break some of those down for you,
00:13:34.820 and then later in the show, we talk to Joel Gilbert,
00:13:37.780 who has a new blockbuster article exposing the corruption of New York Attorney General Letitia James.
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00:14:38.840 President Donald Trump is in Qatar today.
00:14:41.780 Yesterday, President Donald Trump and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
00:14:46.980 announced that Saudi Arabia had agreed to a one trillion dollars
00:14:51.160 in commercial deals with American companies.
00:14:55.120 Quote, with the help of the people of the Middle East,
00:14:57.140 the people in this room, partners throughout the region,
00:14:59.700 the golden age of the Middle East can proceed right alongside of us, 1.00
00:15:03.740 Trump said at the U.S.-Saudi Investment Summit in Reda.
00:15:08.100 We will work together.
00:15:10.360 We will be together.
00:15:12.000 We will succeed together.
00:15:14.460 We will win together.
00:15:15.840 We will always be friends.
00:15:17.260 The one trillion dollar number roughly matches Saudi Arabia's entire yearly gross domestic product.
00:15:24.060 Gives you some idea how big this deal is.
00:15:27.260 Talk about the art of the deal.
00:15:29.680 If you take a look at other presidencies,
00:15:31.880 they wouldn't do one trillion dollars sometimes in years,
00:15:35.260 Trump said.
00:15:36.540 We did this in essentially two months.
00:15:39.820 The investment pact includes U.S. defense sales valued at nearly $142 billion,
00:15:46.340 providing that Saudi Arabia was straight-of-the-art warfighting equipment
00:15:51.640 and services from over a dozen U.S.-based defense firms.
00:15:57.060 The deal also includes Saudi investment in American AI data centers,
00:16:02.040 aerospace technology, energy infrastructure, and health care industries.
00:16:09.480 The United Arab Emirates, or UAE, has also committed to a 10-year,
00:16:15.460 $1.4 trillion investment framework in the United States
00:16:20.000 after top UAE officials met with President Donald Trump during this trip.
00:16:25.000 This framework will substantially increase the UAE's existing investments in the U.S. economy
00:16:31.260 in AI infrastructure, semiconductors, energy, and manufacturing.
00:16:37.160 Qatar's or Qatar's airline, Qatar Airways,
00:16:41.280 also signed a deal on Wednesday to purchase jets from U.S. manufacturer Boeing
00:16:47.220 during the president's visit.
00:16:49.540 President Trump announced that that deal alone was worth $200 billion and included 160 jets.
00:16:58.740 This is the largest order of jets in the history of Boeing,
00:17:02.460 and that's a good thing, the president says.
00:17:04.560 So that's a record, and congratulations to Boeing.
00:17:07.580 Get those planes out there.
00:17:09.580 Get them out there.
00:17:10.740 Typical of Donald Trump.
00:17:12.400 Now, I would not be shocked with the Russians and the Ukrainians meeting in Turkey
00:17:18.680 if President Donald Trump jumps over to Turkey to join those speech talks.
00:17:23.360 I have no particular inside knowledge,
00:17:25.820 but the only thing predictable about Donald J. Trump is he is completely and totally unpredictable.
00:17:33.660 And he's about business.
00:17:35.780 That would be restoring both security and prosperity to our allies and to ourselves.
00:17:41.980 This is an unprecedented peace mission.
00:17:45.900 Not since Nixon went to China has any president changed the entire face of our entire foreign policy,
00:17:54.200 turning us away from the daisy chain of endless war to a future of peace, security, and, yes, prosperity.
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00:18:06.480 When we come back, documentary filmmaker Joel Gilbert joins us to talk about the latest
00:18:12.180 regarding New York Attorney General Letitia James.
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00:18:32.180 Welcome back.
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00:18:36.520 The Federal Housing Finance Agency of the U.S. government has sent a criminal referral
00:18:42.940 to the Department of Justice regarding serial mortgage fraud by New York Attorney General Letitia James.
00:18:51.520 Remember her?
00:18:52.180 She's the one who said no one is above the law.
00:18:54.980 Well, evidently, that applies to her as well.
00:18:58.280 In a multi-page complaint to the Department of Justice, the head of the FHFA outlined a series of serious mortgage fraud crimes.
00:19:11.780 These are largely based on the work of two investigators, Joel Gilbert, an investigative journalist and film producer,
00:19:20.960 documentary film producer, who joins us today, and Sam Antar, who writes the lively whitecollarfraud.com site.
00:19:31.080 And they have documented, both of them, all of their findings.
00:19:35.760 Joel Gilbert has produced a number of documentary feature films.
00:19:39.300 He has a new one out regarding my good friend, Roseanne Barr.
00:19:42.780 We're going to ask him about that as well.
00:19:44.960 But, Joel Gilbert, welcome into the Stone Zone.
00:19:48.600 Okay.
00:19:48.960 Thanks, Roger.
00:19:49.540 Great to be back.
00:19:51.020 So, the Gateway Pundit, where you have published 50 days of your Letitia files, in my view, have helped restore justice in this country.
00:20:01.980 She, of course, denies any wrongdoing.
00:20:04.280 She hired the lawyer, Abby Lowell, who last represented Hunter Biden, none too successfully, to deny everything.
00:20:14.580 But the documents themselves don't lie.
00:20:17.700 You have done Yeoman's job of exposing a number of the major scandals here.
00:20:24.240 I believe it was you, Joel, who first discovered that James had received, back in 2011, a federally subsidized HAMP mortgage modification that required the property that you were getting a mortgage for to be no more than four residential units.
00:20:42.760 Now, the official certificate of occupancy showed that the property in question had five, and then Sam Antar's investigation revealed critical last-minute handwritten notations in the mortgage document, including the words, quote,
00:20:57.500 for FAMP, in one corner, and a contradictory note saying, quote, not more than six residential units, suggesting a deliberate manipulation to maintain technical eligibility while creating plausible deniability about the property's true status.
00:21:15.400 If I did this, they would charge me.
00:21:17.980 Tell me what you have discovered in your latest piece, because there's a new Letitia James scandal brewing here. 0.99
00:21:25.000 Correct.
00:21:26.000 In addition to the HAMP loan investigation, the one regarding the Norfolk property in Virginia, where she claimed to the lender that she would be a primary residence in order to get lower mortgage rates,
00:21:39.440 I've taken a look at her estate filing in 1999.
00:21:44.400 Her father died in 1986, Robert James, and it was three years after Letitia purchased a home with him, pretending to be his wife.
00:21:54.360 They purchased a home in Queens, a small townhouse, and they applied for the mortgage as husband and wife.
00:22:00.700 Now, I've written previously about how that was likely done because Letitia, 24 years old at the time, probably could not qualify for a loan and didn't have the income to do that. 1.00
00:22:10.640 So that was, in itself, a form of mortgage fraud.
00:22:14.080 You cannot misrepresent a relationship in order to get a mortgage.
00:22:16.940 Now, her father dies in 1986.
00:22:20.400 For some strange reason, I talk about this in my article today, it's very, very rare that a estate proceeding doesn't happen within a year or two of someone's death.
00:22:32.160 But Letitia James waited 13 years, which is unheard of.
00:22:36.020 I cite the fact that she didn't file any tax filings about her father's estate and that she asked the court to give her her father's interest in the townhome
00:22:48.920 because she said that she could not inherit it unless the court gave her the tenancy and common rights.
00:22:56.680 Now, really, she did have a joint tenancy because she applied for the mortgage as her father's wife.
00:23:04.380 So she gets this grant from the probate court to give her, 13 years later, her father's interest in the townhome.
00:23:13.040 Lo and behold, one year later in 2000, she sells the property as husband and wife that Robert James is her husband,
00:23:22.240 even though he's deceased and even though she inherited it.
00:23:24.240 So I looked at these discrepancies in this estate and I said, there's all kind of problems here.
00:23:30.260 There's the delay, there's selling it as a husband and wife when you inherited it, the lack of any tax filings.
00:23:38.260 And I'm saying that this 13 year difference and Letitia James' mishandling of her father's estate is kind of a bridge
00:23:47.980 that shows how she was treating the law and treating her responsibilities as an attorney. 0.97
00:23:54.240 And I believe she should be looked at.
00:23:56.760 And the background of this, you might remember in 2016, Hillary Clinton introduced the term fake news into the 2016 campaign.
00:24:05.620 And Donald Trump quickly took over that line and used it against the left.
00:24:11.300 I think the breathtaking hypocrisy is what's driving this interest because when Letitia James introduced the idea,
00:24:18.420 no one is above the law, she's the one that apparently has behaved as though she's been above the law
00:24:23.800 in all of her real estate transactions for 40 years.
00:24:26.880 As I recall, the actual title on that property correctly records it as belonging to father and daughter,
00:24:34.300 while the mortgage records the mortgage having been given to father, husband and wife.
00:24:40.940 Perfect example of fraud.
00:24:43.320 If all three mortgages are considered, James is claiming $509,600 in mortgage debt on one Virginia property assessed at just $187,300,
00:24:56.680 a loan-to-value ratio of 272%, far beyond any rational underwriting standard
00:25:05.200 and likely impossible to obtain through legitimate lending channels.
00:25:10.760 Now, Letitia claims, two Fridays ago, I think it was, that when you and Sam Antar at whitecollarfraud.com
00:25:21.640 visited her apartment building to confirm the number of units there and that she had, in fact, committed fraud,
00:25:29.620 she said that you had been sent by Donald Trump.
00:25:33.400 That's laughable.
00:25:34.960 Sam Antar's not a Trump supporter.
00:25:36.940 He's a Democrat, and his investigations are not politically based.
00:25:42.700 And you weren't sent by Donald Trump, but you were there to videotape documentation of what you were saying.
00:25:50.800 She claimed that she was at church when this happened.
00:25:54.480 Do you think she was really at church?
00:25:56.880 Well, no, because Sam and I were there on a Friday afternoon.
00:25:58.940 So we saw that Letitia went to the, you know, Al Sharpton's National Action Network,
00:26:04.700 which is very typical, I've noticed, going way back to Bill Clinton.
00:26:08.840 When he was busted for the Monica Lewinsky scandal, he showed up at these black churches 0.99
00:26:14.440 trying to cloak himself in this air of righteousness of people who are struggling for civil rights somehow
00:26:19.740 that are being persecuted.
00:26:21.180 So Letitia, I'm seeing, is following that same formula.
00:26:24.400 She went to go to speak to the black community with these false claims that she was in church on a Friday afternoon
00:26:30.240 and that somehow she's being persecuted.
00:26:33.320 So she's getting more and more desperate.
00:26:36.320 She hired this Democrat fixer attorney, Abby Lowell, who put out a letter to Pam Bondi, 0.99
00:26:41.980 which was just a PR stunt.
00:26:43.800 It had no legal substance whatsoever.
00:26:46.140 He completely misstated the documents.
00:26:48.220 He misunderstood the documents, and I think she's in big trouble.
00:26:52.360 And the reason I went to her house is because of what she said.
00:26:55.180 No one is above the law.
00:26:56.660 And that's what Sam and I checked it out, and we confirmed our research that all of her real estate filings were fraudulent.
00:27:05.620 Public record because of the required disclosures she must make as an elected official under New York state law.
00:27:12.960 To me, the August 2023 act of signing a specific power of attorney in connection with the mortgage on a property in Norfolk, Virginia,
00:27:24.480 claiming that it would be her, quote, principal residence,
00:27:28.020 that was a legally binding statement that I think automatically vacated her position as New York attorney general
00:27:35.160 under Public Officers Law 30.
00:27:38.020 This declaration came just 45 days before she launched her landmark civil fraud case against Donald Trump.
00:27:45.920 It also potentially constitutes mortgage fraud under 18 U.S.C. 1014,
00:27:52.740 which criminalizes false statements made to obtain a loan.
00:27:57.360 This is a material problem for a couple of reasons.
00:28:00.640 If she did move to Virginia, which, of course, she didn't, she's therefore ineligible to be attorney general.
00:28:07.760 And if she if she signed it and didn't move on, she's clearly guilty of mortgage fraud.
00:28:15.280 Her excuse, I should say her answer, both herself and by her lawyer, Abby Lowell,
00:28:21.060 was that she had filed an additional application in which she was not required to live in the property to obtain the mortgage.
00:28:31.600 There's no record of that.
00:28:33.180 The New York Times wrote it as a fact without producing any such document.
00:28:38.900 And these power of attorneys are signed at the conclusion of the mortgage transaction, not at the beginning.
00:28:47.780 It looks to me that she's trying to lie her way out of this.
00:28:52.200 Yeah, I can comment on that.
00:28:53.380 What her attorney, Abby Lowell, said, this is Hunter Biden's attorney and Bob Menendez,
00:28:58.260 gold bar Bob's attorney who's going to jail.
00:29:01.500 What he did in his response that he made public to Pam Bondi,
00:29:05.540 he said there's a couple of informal emails that Letitia sent where she said it would not be her primary residence.
00:29:12.360 But that in no way negates the fact that in the mortgage document that the lender relied on to come up with their rates,
00:29:21.340 that that's the document they relied on to approve her mortgage.
00:29:26.180 And he ignores that.
00:29:28.780 The same thing with her apartment building in Brooklyn that I visited with Sam Antar.
00:29:34.600 It's a four-story building with five units legally, according to the Certificate of Occupancy.
00:29:39.300 Sam and I measured the lower floor because she falsely claimed that it was only three stories.
00:29:44.980 The lower floor, if it's 50% above ground, that's a floor.
00:29:50.020 It's 87 inches above ground and only 16 inches below ground.
00:29:53.820 So it's a four-story house with five apartment units.
00:29:57.320 Now, in his letter, he said, oh, Letitia has informally been using this building as a four-unit building for some years.
00:30:06.520 It doesn't matter how you claim that you informally use it.
00:30:10.400 It matters what the Certificate of Occupancy says, and that's the legal definition of that building.
00:30:15.920 So in both cases, her attorney is simply saying there are informal things that were done that mitigate what she did illegally,
00:30:23.560 and I don't think it's going to fly.
00:30:25.200 I just want to state for the record, everyone is, of course, innocent until proven guilty.
00:30:29.780 See, there's a standing invitation to the attorney general to appear here in the stone zone to defend herself. 1.00
00:30:35.900 We would welcome that.
00:30:37.500 Somehow, I don't think she'll take us up on it, but the invitation is open.
00:30:42.040 Now, there are reports that federal prosecutors have impaneled a grand jury in Virginia to look at the charges in that state.
00:30:51.160 There's another Virginia property at question here, is there not?
00:30:55.160 Yeah, I looked at this foreclosure.
00:30:58.600 Apparently, she has some cousins, the last name is Finney, in Martinsville, Virginia, that had their property foreclosed on by Wells Fargo.
00:31:07.680 So they recruited Letitia, apparently, who had some money to buy back their foreclosed home from Wells Fargo Bank. 1.00
00:31:15.300 So sure enough, in 2008, Letitia buys this foreclosure from the bank, and three weeks later is when the deed is then issued.
00:31:26.040 And when the deed was issued, Letitia's name was not on the deed, and that's not legal.
00:31:30.660 If she was a purchaser of the property, she should have showed up as someone on the deed,
00:31:35.240 and then she would have had to sell the property to her cousins in some manner. 0.89
00:31:39.600 There's no record of her ever been selling the property.
00:31:41.740 There's no record of her reporting this real estate acquisition or this real estate holding on her campaign finance forms.
00:31:50.440 She may still own that property. 0.97
00:31:52.540 So that's a big hole in reporting, and why she bought this property for her cousins but never appeared on the deed
00:32:00.940 is definitely a type of mortgage infraction that has to also be looked at.
00:32:05.700 For anyone who thinks that we are nitpicking here, let me remind you that Letitia James indicted President Donald Trump in a civil action
00:32:13.880 claiming that he inflated the value of his assets in order to obtain commercial real estate loans,
00:32:22.520 loans that were paid back in full and on time, in which the lenders made $40 million in interest.
00:32:30.660 In every one of those cases, the lenders testified that they had conducted their own due diligence as to the value of Trump's assets,
00:32:40.800 that no bank, no lender would take the borrower's word for the value of their assets.
00:32:48.540 They would be required, actually, to do their own due diligence to come up with a defensible number
00:32:54.680 on which they felt comfortable making the loan.
00:32:57.320 Letitia James says this is retribution, it's revenge, because she won a, I think it's a $580 million judgment.
00:33:05.520 Let me give you a hint.
00:33:06.720 I believe that that judgment will be overturned.
00:33:09.160 The appeals court has already hinted about it, and we will see this for what it is.
00:33:13.420 Lawfare, politically motivated lawfare, designed to hurt Donald Trump and impoverish him going into the presidential election.
00:33:23.520 Joel Gilbert is joining us today in the Stone Zone.
00:33:26.540 He is the investigative journalist and documentary filmmaker based in Los Angeles who's published a multi-part series for the Gateway Pundit on Letitia James.
00:33:36.900 When we come back, we're going to talk a little bit more about this,
00:33:40.740 but I also want to talk to him about his upcoming documentary film regarding a very good friend of mine, Roseanne Barr.
00:33:47.220 Whatever you do, please don't touch that dial.
00:33:50.400 You're in the Stone Zone, and we'll be back with more politics, more news, more of Joel Gilbert on the other side.
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00:34:02.220 We are back in the Stone Zone, and we're talking to Joel Gilbert, documentary filmmaker and investigative journalist,
00:34:22.280 about his latest story at Gateway Pundit regarding New York Attorney General Letitia James.
00:34:29.920 Now we get news that New York taxpayers may not be aware that, well, they're going to be on the hook for Letitia James' legal bills. 0.99
00:34:38.600 Kathy Ockel and Albany Democrats have passed a law that requires us, the taxpayers, to foot the bill for what I think are personal actions on her part. 0.98
00:34:50.120 She is not charged for misconduct as New York Attorney General,
00:34:54.760 although there are some issues regarding her personal expenses and travel that could lead to such charges.
00:35:02.480 But in this case, all of the transactions that we're talking about here are personal financial transactions.
00:35:10.160 Joel, should the taxpayers foot the bill for this?
00:35:12.740 This has caused a lot of outrage because Letitia James apparently got the governor to put in the new budget that if anything has to do with Trump, 0.96
00:35:23.220 that the state would cover her legal expenses.
00:35:26.000 Now, people are outraged because the issues we brought up have nothing to do with,
00:35:30.320 and we're prior to even becoming Attorney General for the most part, except for one issue.
00:35:34.220 So it's absurd. I think people are outraged.
00:35:38.520 And Letitia James is being held up to the same standard that she established for Donald Trump,
00:35:45.040 which is no one is above the law and the state of New York should not have to pay her legal fees. 1.00
00:35:50.480 Yeah, it was amazing.
00:35:51.940 Sam Antar uncovered the fact that between 2020 and 2021,
00:35:55.220 the Attorney General's Office spent $41,000 in taxpayer funds on private jet travel through a company called Venture Jets,
00:36:04.240 a vendor used by no other state agency.
00:36:07.800 Several flights coincide with James' campaign activities,
00:36:11.280 including a trip to Martha's Vineyard and a politically significant conference in Puerto Rico,
00:36:17.640 where she was described as being fully in campaign mode.
00:36:21.940 But then, according to Antar, there's nothing in state files to back up these expenditures.
00:36:29.300 In other words, there's no trip itinerary.
00:36:32.640 There's no explanation of who flew and why.
00:36:36.520 These kind of luxury campaign spending with creative accounting, I think, violates state law
00:36:42.980 and could yet be a problem for the Attorney General.
00:36:47.520 Joe, when this is all over, is it your intention to make a documentary on Letitia James?
00:36:53.780 Well, I really could because it's a pattern of 40 years.
00:36:57.240 It's not like, oh, well, there's some expenses we're worried about on this airplane.
00:37:00.900 It's a pattern.
00:37:02.080 Every real estate transaction she does, every loan she takes, every interaction with relatives,
00:37:07.120 the estate with her niece, her cousins in Virginia, whatever she does, she appears to be crooked.
00:37:14.260 So this would make a great film, but we don't know the ending yet.
00:37:17.920 So I think I'm going to wait for the ending.
00:37:19.420 And I'm thinking she'll probably be indicted based on what the evidence I've uncovered.
00:37:24.320 Joel, you have a very lively feed on X, formerly known as Twitter.
00:37:27.920 Where can people find you?
00:37:29.680 Joel S. for Sam.
00:37:31.600 Joel S. Gilbert, at Joel S. Gilbert.
00:37:34.160 I put up all my latest articles on Gateway Pundit there almost every day.
00:37:38.700 I urge folks to check it out.
00:37:40.500 Okay, we have about just one minute left.
00:37:42.120 But your upcoming documentary on one of my all-time favorites, Roseanne Barr, Is America.
00:37:47.840 Tell us quickly about it.
00:37:49.620 Yeah, RoseanneIsAmerica.com.
00:37:52.520 RoseanneIsAmerica.com.
00:37:53.480 Watch the trailer.
00:37:54.260 It's coming out on 72 million homes, video on demand, another several million on live stream.
00:38:00.280 We're screening it at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. on June 9.
00:38:04.200 Roseanne's going to be there.
00:38:05.440 Everyone's invited if you're in D.C.
00:38:07.760 Going to do a big Q&A.
00:38:09.040 And Roseanne is a very important figure in America.
00:38:12.300 This really tells her whole life story, including how she got essentially canceled for being a Trump supporter when they tried to say that she made a tweet that was racist, even though it wasn't, because they were out to get Trump.
00:38:24.760 So she was kind of the first victim of cancel culture, where they cancel you for being a Trump supporter.
00:38:30.040 And this film tells the whole real story about her life, how she became a Trump supporter, and what really happened and why they tried to get her out of Hollywood.
00:38:38.700 All right.
00:38:39.580 We have to lend it there.
00:38:40.960 Let me thank my guest, Joel Gilbert, documentary filmmaker and investigative journalist.
00:38:46.180 And I look forward to your Roseanne film.
00:38:49.340 Roseanne is America, because, well, I love Roseanne Barr.
00:38:53.000 Thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
00:38:55.760 And until we meet again, God bless you and Godspeed.
00:38:59.720 Thanks for listening to the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
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