The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 05-14-26

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00:01:00.000 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative

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00:01:07.600 I do think that when the two of us have discussions,

00:01:10.640 you really get to the core of the matter.

00:01:13.580 We're both very, very well-versed in the history of this country,

00:01:18.100 in the political situation, both now and in the past,

00:01:21.440 and a good look at the future.

00:01:22.800 So I know I enjoy it.

00:01:24.380 It's always great to speak to someone who has that kind of breadth of knowledge.

00:01:27.880 So I'm excited for it. And I know many of you are as regular listeners, so you don't need me to tell you that.

00:01:34.840 Here's something that you might need me to tell you, although I think you know it already, but maybe you've never had it expressed, articulated in the way that I'm going to do it.

00:01:45.520 It is just so clear to me that the core of our problems here in America, the core of our debate in America, really centers around one issue and one issue alone.

00:02:00.820 And it's thought to be an ancillary issue.

00:02:03.420 It's thought to be a local issue.

00:02:04.940 It's never thought to be an overall national issue, or it certainly hasn't been in many, many years.

00:02:10.940 But I actually think it's at the core of a lot of what people think are international issues.

00:02:15.140 A lot of what people think are economic issues. A lot of people what people think are issues of like terrorism and things like that.

00:02:21.920 And the issue is almost everything, every really everything in this country seems to come back to it right now.

00:02:27.280 And that is law and order.

00:02:32.880 What we're dealing with this in this country, let's just take a look at today's stories.

00:02:36.380 big stories about how there were hearings on capitol hill today a number of local prosecutors

00:02:44.500 grilled by members of congress because they clearly especially these george soros funded

00:02:50.220 prosecutors they clearly are not prosecuting criminals with any really great degree of

00:02:56.860 regularity of course people focusing on one aspect of that which is if you are an illegal alien in

00:03:02.260 this country because of their hatred of Donald Trump and because of their devotion to open

00:03:06.180 borders for a number of other reasons, they're clearly not prosecuting illegal aliens when

00:03:11.460 they commit additional crimes, which all that does is attract more illegal aliens to that

00:03:19.040 municipality to commit more crimes.

00:03:21.200 You're basically saying, you know, remember when you played tag and there was the base

00:03:24.800 that you could touch that you couldn't get tagged out?

00:03:27.100 All of these sanctuary cities and places like that are a base for criminals.

00:03:32.260 think about if you're a person living in one of these cities

00:03:36.940 and suddenly your elected leaders are telling all the worst criminals in America,

00:03:42.980 come one, come all.

00:03:46.700 We'll give you a special pass and I'll be playing an exchange 0.81

00:03:50.600 between one member of Congress and one of these prosecutors in a minute.

00:03:55.160 So that's one aspect of this.

00:03:58.080 There's also a lot of people talking about anti-Semitism in this country

00:04:01.560 And if you've listened to me on any of these programs or anywhere else or all the places I've written, you know that I don't believe that anti-Semitism has anything to do with Israel, religion, the Jews.

00:04:13.220 Yes, the Jews are the target of anti-Semitism. 0.99

00:04:15.320 And by the way, the Jews can't get a break. 0.80

00:04:17.480 Even the term anti-Semitism is actually anti-Semitic. 0.98

00:04:20.840 It's anti-Jewish.

00:04:22.960 Why do they use the term anti-Semitism?

00:04:24.660 because they wanted, they didn't want to say,

00:04:26.900 when anti-Semitic parties and movements re-emerged in Europe

00:04:31.300 in the late 18th and early 19th century,

00:04:35.360 they decided to make it an insult to even describe what it was,

00:04:39.720 an insult to Jews.

00:04:40.880 They could have said anti-Judaism, but they didn't want to say that. 0.98

00:04:43.320 They wanted to make the point that, oh, you Jews don't belong here in Europe. 0.81

00:04:46.460 You belong back in Israel, that Semitic land where Jews and Arabs live.

00:04:50.920 so literally the word the term anti-semitism is actually anti-semitic but whatever i just 0.99

00:04:58.240 for clarity's sake i use the term just like we should all just for clarity's sake i don't think

00:05:02.240 people mean for it to be anti-semitic now but you get my point but it's not about any of the

00:05:07.400 things i just said it's about law and order you know not just in the attacking of jewish people

00:05:15.460 or firebombing them or even vandalism of buildings but harassment you know it's actually

00:05:21.680 against the law in this country to go and shout in someone's face and it's also against the law

00:05:26.880 to disturb the peace all these things all these laws should have been enforced in brooklyn the

00:05:31.240 other night when these anti-israel anti-semitic animals march through a suburban you know it's

00:05:38.820 yes it's part of the five boroughs but it's a suburban-like neighborhood of brooklyn i went to 0.62

00:05:42.720 high school there so don't don't push back on me in this i know i know the neighborhood really well

00:05:46.460 don't don't don't don't push me on this did you know it's against the law to march in people's

00:05:52.520 faces on residential streets and disturb the peace if you just enforce the existing laws in this

00:05:57.660 country and we talk about this all the time with gun control we don't need special gun laws we

00:06:02.800 don't need special laws about to push back on on hate crime laws we don't need those things 0.70

00:06:07.840 just enforce the regular law and have the will to do so i am you know oh jake you're a big 0.52

00:06:16.920 traditional jewish guy you're a big supporter of israel of course you want hate crime laws

00:06:21.140 no i don't i think hate crime laws make things worse i want regular law and order enforced

00:06:28.260 i want residential neighborhoods exempted from loud protests ever oh what about free speech no

00:06:35.560 You get free speech. There's plenty of places and public spaces for you to give your to have your riot and to have your, well, you can never have a riot, but to have your rally and have your loud event at prescribed hours.

00:06:49.140 And with the proper permits and everything else like that.

00:06:56.240 And it's against the law to stop a student from going across campus to get to his class, whether he's a Jew, Christian, Muslim or from Jupiter.

00:07:05.560 How about enforcing that law?

00:07:07.740 When UCLA finally brought the cops in to do that,

00:07:10.980 that was the end of their encampment on campus.

00:07:13.800 It just takes the will to enforce existing laws or existing norms.

00:07:19.280 I thought going to university was all about reasoning and learning and discussion.

00:07:25.080 Universities are never the proper place for shouting protests and yelling and screaming.

00:07:31.020 If a university like, for example, Vanderbilt decides that that's never allowed here because we are a university where we exchange ideas peacefully and you're willing to enforce that rule, your problem will go away.

00:07:46.000 And we can discuss the many reasons why so many other schools, including my horrific alma mater, Columbia University, my undergrad alma mater, doesn't enforce those rules.

00:07:54.500 has a lot to do with the fact that the tenured faculty are also radicals

00:07:58.740 and you can't fire them.

00:08:01.860 And most university presidents don't have the juice to stand up to these people.

00:08:07.200 But there are laws on the books and there are rules on the books,

00:08:10.220 especially for private institutions.

00:08:11.480 It just takes the will to enforce them.

00:08:15.740 The core of America is law and order.

00:08:20.680 Law and order is necessary if you're going to have an economy.

00:08:24.500 if I'm going to try to open a business

00:08:26.640 and everyone's allowed to rob from me and steal from me

00:08:28.600 or I want to be a consumer of that business

00:08:30.140 and that business can rob and steal from me,

00:08:32.080 it's not going to be good for business.

00:08:35.940 The long-held belief that we all grow up believing

00:08:39.620 that a big part of crime is because there's poor people out there

00:08:42.880 and they need to steal to get bread, 1.00

00:08:45.680 you know, the Les Miserables.

00:08:46.860 No, it's the other way around.

00:08:49.180 Crime causes poverty.

00:08:51.340 You show me any criminal,

00:08:53.220 Show me any, sorry, any poor person, any poor neighborhood,

00:08:56.920 and I will tell you the crime that led to that poverty.

00:09:03.420 And that's the way it works.

00:09:06.460 Law and order is the greatest anti-poverty program there ever is

00:09:10.620 because law and order is necessary for capitalism,

00:09:13.320 and capitalism is the economic construct which has brought more people out of poverty,

00:09:19.840 fed more people than any other

00:09:22.060 and know it's not perfect

00:09:23.600 but good luck with anything else

00:09:25.420 call me when there's a society

00:09:27.700 that isn't capitalist

00:09:28.580 that ends up more wealthy

00:09:30.980 from top to bottom

00:09:32.080 than anything else

00:09:33.540 this is about law and order

00:09:37.460 but it goes on and on

00:09:38.640 I got more examples for you

00:09:39.980 we have members of Congress

00:09:44.400 forget about just the prosecutors out there

00:09:46.460 we have members of Congress

00:09:48.080 who are breaking the law

00:09:49.400 and making things worse for us as a country, 0.99

00:09:53.020 colluding with foreign countries,

00:09:55.660 undermining the president's agenda,

00:09:58.040 rooting for Iran and going to foreign countries

00:10:00.420 and talking down our policies

00:10:02.720 and meeting with our enemies.

00:10:04.640 That's against the law.

00:10:05.540 We have a law against that.

00:10:07.440 It's called the Logan Act.

00:10:09.060 Enforce the law and you don't have these problems.

00:10:12.600 This isn't a joke.

00:10:16.220 And, you know, we could all see it coming.

00:10:17.820 It's unfortunately not just people like me who love this country and want to see it succeed who know this.

00:10:23.700 It's our enemies who know this.

00:10:25.380 They know that at the very base level, if you create society starting from the ground up, starting from cities and then moving to states and then moving to the nation, if you create a loose policy for law and order, a loose policy on punishing crime and enforcing the law, you will destroy this country.

00:10:43.080 And not just because street crime will rise or maybe it won't.

00:10:46.180 Maybe there'll be other crimes that rise.

00:10:47.820 But just because if you create a nation where the law is not enforced and it's clear to everyone that the law is not enforced and not enforced equally, the nation will crumble.

00:10:57.260 And you know who understood this?

00:10:59.180 And it was eerie when he finally acted on it.

00:11:02.940 But one of the men who understood that better than anyone else and still does is George Soros.

00:11:07.420 you know whatever it was seven eight nine years ago when the story started coming out that he was

00:11:14.080 raising massive amounts of money for district attorney races at both the state and city level

00:11:18.920 i was scratching my head who in american history has ever raised so much money for these low-level

00:11:26.300 elections i know that i'm not saying d being a da is not important but it's not a governorship

00:11:30.420 it's not a senator's race it certainly isn't a presidential election what's going on here it

00:11:35.560 should have been so clear to me i should have realized it this was a seed that he was planting

00:11:41.260 to destroy the country in general you start there you start with your cities and move to the states

00:11:47.360 and you have people who are lax on crime who talk about cashless bail which hit us here in new york

00:11:53.900 in 2019 so around that time then you start talking about how you want to empty the prisons

00:12:00.360 it has a much bigger effect than you might think and it is a huge huge way to undermine the country

00:12:11.200 without ever having to talk about tax policy or guns or china or any of these other big picture

00:12:19.900 things you can undermine this country very simply by creating a system a series of district attorneys

00:12:25.040 and major cities who will no longer enforce the law

00:12:28.400 equally or effectively,

00:12:30.480 and that begins the domino effect.

00:12:33.440 Or maybe a better metaphor is the thread that you can pull

00:12:38.020 and eventually the whole garment falls apart.

00:12:41.700 And law and order doesn't have to be harsh.

00:12:43.640 I'm not talking about martial law.

00:12:45.360 I'm not talking about the world of demolition man

00:12:48.600 or Judge Dredd.

00:12:49.620 I'm talking about just equitable law and order.

00:12:52.280 It doesn't have to have a mean face to it.

00:12:55.040 But you want to live in a society where everybody knows if they catch you committing a crime of any kind, you will be punished, regardless of your skin color, regardless of your religion, regardless of whom you attacked.

00:13:10.240 And right now in America, we really don't have that.

00:13:13.920 Illegal aliens and sanctuary cities know that they're not going to be punished.

00:13:17.000 in some parts of this country african americans know that especially if they attack 0.95

00:13:23.020 a white person they will not be punished as much as a white person attacking a black person you do

00:13:29.520 that other way now and for many years we saw it the other way around in the south for generations 0.91

00:13:35.280 white people attacking black people knew they wouldn't be punished at least not for real

00:13:40.440 and what did that lead to it led to more of those crimes and it also led because crime causes 0.97

00:13:48.400 poverty to abject poverty in the south that well went well beyond their natural resources and

00:13:55.120 things like that that it just incredibly great created a back a backwoods region of the country

00:14:01.080 for decades and we certainly live in a country now where if you're not on the right political side

00:14:08.680 of your local leaders you can expect much more harassment and that's the way things work

00:14:17.300 all right when i come back i'm going to play a soundbite from a president he wasn't president

00:14:23.400 yet when he made these this speech who understood this and started the ball rolling for a golden age

00:14:28.940 we had in america where crime was really really snuffed out almost completely he started the

00:14:35.180 process i wonder if you can guess who i'm talking about i'm jake novak here in for roger stone in

00:14:39.700 the stone zone stay with us the stone zone entertaining and informative on the red apple

00:14:49.720 podcast network and i'm jake novak filling in for roger stone we're expecting roger to join us

00:14:55.780 at the bottom of the hour again by phone as he did last night so that will be exciting

00:15:00.240 But I've been talking about how law and order is at the core of our problems in this country.

00:15:05.960 Disrespect for it, disregard for it, and a deliberate attack against it have led to so many of our other problems, so many of the other divisions in this country.

00:15:16.720 If we would just enforce just, justifiable law and order in this country, I should say, it would solve a lot of our other problems.

00:15:27.120 And yet, the people who don't want law and order very often pull out the argument that law and order is just code word for racism. 0.98

00:15:35.740 It's a way to lock up all the black people. 0.99

00:15:39.300 Which is sad because black people are 12 times more likely to be the victims of crime. 0.98

00:15:45.880 And someone who understood that as more than just a campaign slogan and started a process in this country towards almost eradicating major crime was Richard Nixon.

00:15:57.120 Here he is giving his acceptance speech at the 1968 Republican National Convention, an election he would eventually win, discussing why law and order was so important.

00:16:07.620 Listen.

00:16:08.320 An active belligerent against the loan sharks and the numbers racketeers that robbed the urban poor in our cities.

00:16:14.920 I pledge to you that the new attorney general will open a new front against the filth peddlers and the narcotics peddlers who are corrupting the lives of the children of this country.

00:16:27.120 because my friends let this message come through clear from what i say tonight

00:16:35.080 time is running out for the merchants of crime and corruption in american society

00:16:40.280 the wave of crime is not going to be the wave of the future in the united states of america

00:16:46.900 nixon's law and order focus in 1968 many people believe was the reason why he was able to win

00:16:54.860 that squeaker of an election and of course academia and historians most of whom lean left

00:17:00.820 again as i said before accused nixon of using law and order as some kind of code word for racism

00:17:07.900 that's because they didn't understand nixon and they certainly didn't understand

00:17:12.160 the nature of what he was talking about he talked about how crime hurts mostly as you heard in that

00:17:18.860 soundbite hurts mostly the people who live in poverty in this country and hurts mostly the

00:17:25.880 minorities in this country if you really want to be racist in this country defund the police

00:17:32.700 it took 36 years but that got the ball rolling and by mid-1990s

00:17:38.760 we had a major major eradication of crime in this country for the most part

00:17:43.780 nixon got that ball rolling doesn't get enough credit for it we'll be right back with roger

00:17:47.980 stone the stone zone entertaining and informative on the red apple podcast network and i'm jake

00:17:59.600 novak filling in for roger stone this evening but roger stone is on the phone with us right now and

00:18:04.360 roger i don't know if you had a chance to hear the last couple of segments where i just talked

00:18:08.560 about how the core of this country and what makes it successful is when we have effective law and

00:18:16.020 order and the man you're a great expert on richard nixon i played his soundbite from the 1968

00:18:21.680 republican national convention where he made law and order a major hallmark of his campaign

00:18:27.480 it was panned by the academic left and by the left-wing news media as some kind of pandering 0.92

00:18:33.380 to racism but of course as you know roger the biggest victims of crime in america are black

00:18:39.900 people and other minorities and he understood that very well and he also i think would have

00:18:45.120 understood what's going on now, Roger, is that our problems in this country, in my opinion, 0.98

00:18:49.140 can all be traced back to lax law and order. Today's big news, these hearings on Capitol

00:18:54.420 Hill with these Soros prosecutors letting people out, not prosecuting illegal aliens.

00:18:59.180 You got J.D. Vance in Maine detailing fraud after fraud after fraud, bankrupting this country.

00:19:05.360 We have a congresswoman violating the Logan Act and Jayapal going over to Cuba or working with

00:19:11.280 the cubans to try to undermine american policy it goes on and on and on law and order isn't racist

00:19:16.840 roger and richard nixon understood that and he got the ball rolling it took 30 years but by the

00:19:22.340 mid-90s the ball he started rolling had really created a great situation in this country with

00:19:27.500 the less crime well jake as you know i'm calling in from washington dc i'm here to conduct a final

00:19:35.240 interviews for my upcoming book on the attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan. But

00:19:41.460 what's striking is how different the city is today than it was when I lived here. First of all,

00:19:47.160 it's much cleaner, but more importantly, it's much safer. That's because President Donald Trump

00:19:52.440 has empowered the National Guard to clean up Washington, D.C. This is now, we have some of

00:19:59.500 lowest crime rates in the city's history. Even the mayor of D.C., who, let's face it, is no friend

00:20:06.360 of Donald Trump's, has prayed this effort. So what you say is absolutely true. But the most

00:20:12.380 important thing I guess I want to talk about right here on The Stone Zone, I appreciate your sitting

00:20:17.220 in for me, Jake, as I finish this book, is as I predicted last night, President Donald Trump has

00:20:24.100 had some key agreements, key breakthroughs in his trip to China. The Chinese have now

00:20:30.860 essentially agreed not to send any weapons to Iran and committed to helping us end the

00:20:36.940 conflict with the President Xi Jinping actually reporting to say that he would give Trump

00:20:42.900 whatever he needs to achieve a peaceful solution. Now, China, as you know, is Iran's largest

00:20:49.780 oil customer purchasing about 90% of its exports, holding significant leverage, which the United

00:20:55.800 States has now seized through the leadership of Donald Trump. So you've got economic and strategic

00:21:00.720 outcomes of the Trump-Xi meetings. First of all, the Chinese have pledged to end the flow of deadly 0.99

00:21:07.440 fentanyl precursors in the United States. There's also a new shift in Chinese energy imports towards

00:21:14.000 taking American oil and natural gas, reducing independence on the Strait Hormuz entirely,

00:21:20.800 also increased Chinese purchases of agricultural goods, pork, beef, soybeans,

00:21:28.080 and they've agreed to buy 200 Boeing military jets.

00:21:32.800 Beyond that, you have mutual agreement that Iran cannot possess nuclear weapons

00:21:37.780 or militarize the Strait Hormuz.

00:21:40.160 So Trump has has accomplished an enormous amount in this brief trip, which you and I talked about only last night.

00:21:47.400 Yeah. Now, with Ronald Reagan and when we had successful summits back with when Ronald Reagan was president, of course, he coined that term trust, but verify.

00:21:58.780 What's what's your feeling about how we go forward, you know, to make sure that China lives up to some of these comments that they've made?

00:22:06.300 And my thought is that, well, they'll probably cause problems elsewhere, and that's not the fault of President Trump or other factors.

00:22:14.760 But what's your feeling on the solidness of their promises?

00:22:18.740 I don't doubt President Trump's promises here, whatever he's promised to China.

00:22:22.960 But on their end, what's the leverage?

00:22:25.680 We have oil leverage, right? 0.73

00:22:27.180 And we also have – we could completely wreck Iran's oil supply, couldn't we? 0.95

00:22:31.940 No, that's exactly right.

00:22:33.360 I was just talking to my grandson. 1.00

00:22:34.640 Well, I said, you know, I don't trust the Chinese who often do one thing and say something else. 1.00

00:22:40.700 But at the same time, between cutting off their their oil from Venezuela, where they were getting 90 percent of that output and cutting off their oil now from Iran, they have no access to cheap oil. 0.92

00:22:54.580 This very significantly reduces the threat, and Trump, as you know, a plane load of leading business men and women from this country, and they've agreed to open their markets to us.

00:23:09.420 So we will be able to tell pretty easily whether they're living up to it.

00:23:13.420 The one place I trust them the least and where I think they are doing the most damage to the country is in the drug trade.

00:23:20.760 They cannot pretend that they are not the major importer of fentanyl and fentanyl precursors that go to Mexico and, let's face it, cross our southern border.

00:23:33.040 Roger Stone.

00:23:34.560 And I think it's let's let's continue to talk about this, this fentanyl thing and the drug trade in China, because I think that there's a lot of Americans who still think about Miami Vice Times with the drug.

00:23:46.960 Big drug kingpins, big money, financial reasons, things like that.

00:23:51.960 But this is when it comes to China and what they're exporting.

00:23:56.020 They're not looking for customers. 0.80

00:23:57.760 They're looking for casualties.

00:23:59.060 I mean, that's really what it is, isn't it?

00:24:01.760 No, they've done enormous damage to the United States.

00:24:05.480 The one place we don't seem to have any agreement is on Taiwan.

00:24:10.180 They continue to say that it's not negotiable.

00:24:13.320 On the other hand, I don't think they have the military strength today to move on Taiwan.

00:24:18.400 But they also recognize that in Donald Trump, they don't have a patsy like Joe Biden.

00:24:24.340 If the Chinese had moved on Taiwan while Joe Biden was president, he would have earned out, sent a strong letter of objection.

00:24:33.180 Donald Trump would send ICBM missiles and they know it, which is why they will not move on our ally, Taiwan.

00:24:40.320 And why I think they really need to think twice about the drug trade, because Trump will crack down on them if they don't keep their word in these these bilateral agreements.

00:24:51.200 Roger, how much confidence do you have in some of these American tech companies, whether it's NVIDIA or in some cases an Apple and some of these other chip companies to keep the kinds of technology that has been developed here and is very sensitive and has national security implications?

00:25:10.660 My thought is, you know, we got to let business continue to flow.

00:25:14.320 We want business to succeed here in America, and China's an important customer.

00:25:18.780 But I'm feeling like an owner of a big retail store where you know they always factor in, what is it, 3% or something, 4% for theft, for shoplifting, something like that.

00:25:26.980 Maybe it's a larger number.

00:25:28.360 I wonder if that's what's going on here.

00:25:30.100 I expect there to be some theft of our technology.

00:25:33.640 I hope we can keep a cap on it, but I don't think that we're going to come out of this unscathed.

00:25:40.520 I don't.

00:25:40.740 Look, I don't trust these companies at all. It's very nice to be back on X, formerly known as Twitter, where I'm Roger J. Stone Jr., Roger J. Stone Jr.

00:25:53.600 But to this day, the meta company will not let me back on Facebook or Instagram. I continue to be censored on YouTube, for example.

00:26:03.400 So, you know, things are not really better.

00:26:06.340 Censorship in America continues to be a huge problem.

00:26:09.600 And even when you're not censored, candidly, they shadow ban you.

00:26:13.720 They use algorithms to limit your reach.

00:26:16.640 I don't trust any of these companies. 0.97

00:26:18.360 When I see Tim Cook and these other guys at the White House kissing Trump's derriere, I don't trust those guys at all. 0.61

00:26:28.120 I know Google is manipulating both in their searches and in Gmail political messaging. 0.97

00:26:34.500 I'll give you an example.

00:26:35.860 If you're a Democrat, you will get eight emails on Google, on Gmail, reminding you to vote.

00:26:42.680 If you're a Republican, you won't get a single one.

00:26:45.920 Or if you're unregistered, they will read your searches, see whether you lean left or whether you lean right.

00:26:54.300 If you lean left, you'll get multiple reminders to register to vote.

00:26:58.940 That's just one example of the way these big tech companies play games.

00:27:03.120 Meanwhile, they're donating to the building of the White House ballroom.

00:27:07.780 And while we appreciate their check, I trust them not at all.

00:27:12.400 How did we get to this place with these large tech companies?

00:27:15.160 One of the things I think Americans are really naive about is they think, well, it's now because of the technology that we're losing our privacy or these people in the bureaucracy and things like that are spying on us.

00:27:33.240 They never really wanted to before.

00:27:34.700 I think it's the other way around, Roger.

00:27:36.020 I think that the powers that be in the world since the time of the cavemen wanted to control the public, but they never had the tools with which to do it. 0.75

00:27:43.960 But with everyone in the world walking around with the smartphone that can listen to us and monitor us, let alone record what we type into it, suddenly the Chinese model of full surveillance, full censorship, full repression is possible, even in the so-called free world. 0.76

00:28:01.660 And I think that that's really incredibly enticing for statists, communists, leftists of all kinds. 0.75

00:28:09.800 How do we how do we push back on that without just throwing all of our phones away?

00:28:13.960 Well, first of all, I think you have to look at the plus and the minus.

00:28:18.220 Without the Internet and without social media, Donald Trump could never have been elected president.

00:28:24.980 The rise of social media and the rise of the Internet broke the monopoly of big media, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC.

00:28:36.140 And, Jake, as I often say, I don't get my news from CNN for the same reason I don't drink out of the toilet.

00:28:42.340 So these companies didn't realize that when they essentially leveled the playing field and provided a platform for Donald Trump to counterpunch against the caricature of him that they tried to paint in the 2016 election, now they're trying to shove the toothpaste back in the tube.

00:29:03.420 But I don't think it will work.

00:29:04.820 On the other hand, I just operate, having been through a bad experience, shall we say,

00:29:10.140 I operate in the assumption that all my emails, all my text messages, all my phone calls are being monitored by someone.

00:29:18.920 Before the 2024 election, the FBI contacted my personal attorney to tell me that my cell phone and my email had been compromised. 0.92

00:29:30.400 And when my lawyer said compromised by whom, they said, well, by the Iranians.

00:29:34.820 Now, I'm not sure I believe that. I think that my email, my text messages, my phone calls may have been compromised, but how do I know it's not the FBI themselves? Remember, Joe Biden was president at the time.

00:29:49.040 So you point out a very real danger. I think you have to operate on the assumption that anything you say, anything you write could appear tomorrow morning on the front page of The New York Times. So govern yourself accordingly.

00:30:04.780 your scenario that you're talking about although this isn't what happened to you

00:30:09.000 but it very much reminds me of 2018 and that whole jeff bezos incident if you remember

00:30:14.320 the nude pictures of him which uh as anyone could tell you including the brother of lorena sanchez

00:30:21.000 who was now married to jeff rezos was something that lorena herself put out there she was trying

00:30:25.260 to get jeff's marriage ended and i guess he was on the fence but bezos had the gall and he got

00:30:30.580 gavin de becker a security expert or at least a theoretical security expert to go to the u.n of

00:30:35.940 all places not to mention other places and claim that he was hacked by the saudis and by the way

00:30:40.420 every phone hacker i knew who i interviewed about that story told me this is not the way you hack a

00:30:45.580 phone um you know the point being that you are can't expect privacy whether it's tech or not

00:30:54.140 in the case or someone who wants to put someone close to you who might want to compromise you

00:30:58.500 but the fact is it does make everything more heightened before the age of smartphones

00:31:04.900 this would have been some pictures sent maybe uh in the mail or something like that and it would

00:31:09.800 have been much less of a situation everything's on steroids and i i gotta say it certainly gives

00:31:16.320 power to uh to these uh social media companies uh roger can you stay with us for a few minutes

00:31:20.680 after this break to talk about i want to talk about nixon with you on one more time because

00:31:24.420 you know i like talking about him with you absolutely i'll be i'll be right here all

00:31:28.540 right fantastic we're gonna take a break i'll be back with roger stone i'm jake novak this is the

00:31:32.180 stone zone the stone zone entertaining and informative on the red apple podcast network

00:31:42.720 i'm jake novak and i have roger stone on the phone for a few more minutes before the end of

00:31:47.580 the hour and roger um i played a soundbite of then candidate richard nixon running for president

00:31:53.740 in 1968 at the Republican National Convention, his acceptance speech, where I think he surprised

00:31:59.100 a lot of people by making law and order the cornerstone of his message that evening, and

00:32:04.240 he carried it through the campaign, and it was very successful.

00:32:08.260 But you are probably the best person to talk about this with.

00:32:13.040 It wasn't a harsh law and order that Nixon imposed once he was elected.

00:32:17.760 He was not looking to bring martial law into this country.

00:32:21.460 for one thing he he knew that the drug program uh problem in this country couldn't just be solved

00:32:26.520 by throwing everyone in jail he started that process of creating clinics for people to get

00:32:31.040 off of heroin for example and that was very successful he also went to some of these protests

00:32:35.900 some of them illegal uh and spoke very famously i think it was either the lincoln or the jefferson

00:32:40.840 memorial in the middle of the night spoke to some of the anti-vietnam war protesters i mean

00:32:45.060 it doesn't have to be harsh law and order is not about being harsh and hitting people over the head

00:32:50.500 it's about protecting the greater public. I think Nixon understood that, and he wasn't given his due

00:32:55.560 for that. Well, I think you had a unique circumstance in which Richard Nixon, who had

00:33:01.600 lost the 1960 election by a whisker, I've written two books on it, I believe was stolen from him,

00:33:07.400 then tried to run for governor of California, was defeated. But then you had a unique circumstance

00:33:12.120 in which the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the assassination of Robert Kennedy, the assassination

00:33:18.640 of dr martin luther king the vietnam war which was really dividing america and the fact that

00:33:25.060 our cities had become unsafe uh and many of them were burning really parted the seas in a way in

00:33:31.780 which richard nixon made what was until donald trump the greatest single comeback in american

00:33:37.940 history now it is true that i have a tattoo of richard nixon a portrait of him on my back about

00:33:44.540 the size of a grapefruit between my shoulder blades and in a way jake it's not a political

00:33:51.120 statement what it is is a daily reminder that in life when things don't go your way when you're

00:33:58.660 defeated when you get knocked down when you reach for something and you fall short that that's the

00:34:04.640 time to get up off the canvas dust yourself off and get back in the fight see the story of nixon

00:34:10.220 is a story of resilience it's a story of persistence it's a story of indestructibility

00:34:16.200 and it's a purely american story that's why four american presidents were there at nixon's funeral

00:34:22.480 to pray homage to him and why he made his greatest comeback at the end of his life as an advisor

00:34:28.960 to president bill clinton telling him how to handle the chinese and the russians so uh i think

00:34:36.160 you're absolutely right about the fact that he recognized earlier than most that that america had

00:34:41.860 a crime crisis but as you point out he's also the president who desegregated the public schools

00:34:47.940 he's also the president who appointed more african americans to federal office than lyndon

00:34:53.920 johnson and john f kennedy combined he is also the president who quadrupled the financing for

00:35:00.440 civil rights law enforcement he's also the president who tripled the spending on black

00:35:05.540 colleges. So he's also the president who gave us affirmative action, which many of my conservative

00:35:11.660 friends are not not very happy about, but still remains part of his overall civil rights record.

00:35:17.740 So when they talk about the Southern strategy, what exactly are they talking about? The fact

00:35:22.860 that he did more for civil rights than any president since Abraham Lincoln? Yeah, you know,

00:35:28.500 it makes the point. It's one of the things that really bothers me, this continued belief in red 1.00

00:35:34.440 states you know red states and blue states you have to be a candidate like nixon and accept the

00:35:40.840 fact that or go after the fact that there's no such thing you have to campaign you know he was

00:35:47.560 he was mimicked in 19 he was mocked in 1960 for for visiting every fifth at one of the 50 states

00:35:52.920 you know everyone oh that's a waste of your time no it's not not if you really believe you have

00:35:58.240 a message for this entire country i would really like to see that uh happen again in this country

00:36:03.400 somebody do that and in 1968 maybe he didn't visit all 50 states like he did in 1960 but he did

00:36:09.460 make it clear that he wasn't giving up on any states and his election flipped that script in

00:36:15.580 the south all of a sudden now there were both democrats there were democrats in the south then

00:36:20.780 who had to run on something other than being pro-segregation you know i mean it changed things

00:36:26.360 overnight and i think donald trump's done that too and that's why there's been so much resistance

00:36:30.940 against him by some of these Republicans.

00:36:33.180 We've got a minute left, Roger.

00:36:34.820 I think you're absolutely right.

00:36:36.460 What people don't realize is many people say that had Robert Kennedy lived and Nixon had

00:36:41.640 a face-off with him, Nixon would have lost.

00:36:43.940 Actually, that's not true.

00:36:45.220 John F. Kennedy carried every deep Southern state.

00:36:48.160 Robert Kennedy could not have carried Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, and so on.

00:36:52.940 So it was an extraordinary breakthrough, and it was a massive political realignment.

00:36:58.860 The coalition that elected Nixon in 1972, elected Reagan in 1980, is the same coalition that elected Donald Trump in 2016.

00:37:07.700 Jake, thanks for having me.

00:37:08.860 It's been great to be in The Stone Zone.

00:37:11.000 Thank you for joining us.

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