On this episode of The Other Side, Michael Caputo talks about his experience with the FBI and Robert Mueller's Russia collusion investigation, and why he believes the government should pay compensation to the people who were tortured and mistreated by the FBI.
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00:00:30.000Welcome back into the Stone Zone. It was the morning of January 19th, 2019, when at 6 o'clock in the morning, 29 heavily armed FBI agents in full SWAT gear wearing night goggles and brandishing fully automatic M4 assault weapons surrounded my home at 6 o'clock in the morning.
00:00:53.520They came in 17 armored vehicles, a helicopter, and two amphibious units.
00:01:00.600As my friend Sean Hannity likes to point out, they were actually frogmen jumping off of these amphibious units onto the dock in my backyard,
00:01:10.860because I lived on the Isles in Fort Lauderdale at that time, also brandishing these assault weapons.
00:01:18.120As I say, they sent more men to arrest me for the first time, nonviolent alleged crime of lying under oath to Congress.
00:01:26.740It wasn't until November 3rd of 2020 that we learned the complete truth.
00:01:34.100You see, during the trial, my lawyers asked the judge for Robert Mueller's fully unredacted final report.
00:01:41.980All of the sections of the report that regarded me had been completely blacked out.
00:01:46.500The judge refused to give it to us. She said that she would review the report in her chambers and give us those sections that pertain to me. Somehow she forgot page 128. On page 128, Robert Mueller was forced to admit that he had found, in my case, no evidence of Russian collusion, WikiLeaks collaboration or any other crime.
00:02:10.980He went so far as to admit that had he found that I was in touch with WikiLeaks, it would not have been a crime.
00:02:18.420It would have been consistent with my First Amendment rights.
00:02:21.820So my attitude about this new $1.8 billion fund is twofold.
00:02:28.160One, those people who were tortured, those people who were subjected to inhumane conditions of their incarceration in January 6th,
00:02:38.080I would like to see them compensated first.
00:02:41.180I think they deserve it more than anyone.
00:02:44.180My upcoming guest, Michael Caputo, is another one who's been put through hell.
00:02:48.560I think his biggest single crime was being a friend of mine.
00:02:52.100His second biggest crime was working diligently for Donald Trump.
00:02:56.680He's the first American to apply to this fund.
00:03:00.780He sent a letter to acting attorney Todd Blanche.
00:03:04.160a little premature, I think, mechanically, but symbolically extraordinarily important.
00:03:10.720We're going to talk a little bit about what he and his family went through
00:03:13.880when it came to the Russian collusion hoax, because I think it's important for people to
00:03:21.140understand. When they do this to you, they break you financially. In other words, I lost my home,
00:03:27.260I lost my health insurance, my life insurance, I lost my life savings,
00:07:27.640We've gone to mass together on numerous occasions.
00:07:31.300But you're also an American who endured a vicious weapon,
00:07:36.180the warped federal prosecutor prosecuting me,
00:07:41.180pounding the table and bellowing, I am the law.
00:07:44.240I can't get that picture out of my mind.
00:07:46.740But give folks some idea of what you and your family have gone through.
00:07:52.060Remember, Roger, we worked together on that campaign and got so many others on the 2016 campaign.
00:07:59.960And, you know, I've always I developed a specialty in Russia, Ukraine, because the USAID sent me over there after the wall fell in order to get democratic electoral laws in place in Russia, Ukraine and other places.
00:08:13.740I was there for nine on a decade, you know.
00:08:16.680And so, you know, I naturally became interested in doing that kind of work again after the campaign.
00:08:24.260I remember I called you and I said, hey, I think I'm going to go over to Russia and see if there's something I could do to help bring our countries together again.0.94
00:08:30.660And you told me that's the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life.0.56
00:09:06.760You know, each one of my daughters suffered uniquely and terribly.
00:09:10.860But we lost our house. We lost our college fund for our kids. We lost our savings. I lost my business. I lost all my clients. And in the end, I lost my health with stress-driven throat cancer, head and neck cancer, and damn near died.
00:09:26.140I mean, the interesting thing is, Roger, my health and everything else fell apart. There are thousands of people just like me. You, my goodness, my sister, my dear sister, Nidia, your wife got the same stress-driven kind of cancer I did.
00:09:39.940We were watching it go on all around us. Remember? And in the end, I think a lot of people didn't believe that there would ever be any kind of restitution.
00:09:51.000Roger, they spied on me because of my movie about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden profiting in Ukraine.
00:10:00.020They opened that in 21, when Joe Biden was inaugurated, within hours.
00:10:19.360And when, you know, at the same time, Roger, a lot of people don't understand that I worked on the Trump campaign, not just 16, but 24.
00:10:27.820Right. And I, you know, I was put in charge in some ways, anti-weaponization policy.
00:10:34.520You know, I think that's one of the reasons I was hired, because I was, of course, wrapped up in it and I knew a lot about what was going on.
00:10:41.280And I must have written and marshaled 100 pages of policy research on the anti-weaponization policy front.
00:10:49.560And I'm going to tell you, at the end of 2023, about November, I think, I went to a policy meeting at the West Palm Beach headquarters, and they brought up an anti-weaponization fund.
00:11:01.740This fund has been has been has been thought through and talked about at the highest levels of the best attorneys in all of Washington, all the way to Milwaukee and the convention.
00:11:14.960Roger, you remember, you know, the the the platform committee is made up of the best lawyers in Washington on the Republican side.
00:12:46.000Yeah, I give the acting attorney general, Todd Blanch, enormous credit, not finally, not just because he charged James Comey, the former FBI director, with his threat to kill the president, which is very clearly what it was, but his declaration in recent days that they're now seriously examining the 2020 election.
00:13:07.380Also, they are very serious about prosecuting those involved in the seditious conspiracy of the Russian collusion hoax, which morphed into two phony impeachments, which morphed into the theft of the 2020 election, which morphed into the so-called documents case, which morphed into Arctic Frost.
00:13:27.860the greatest extra-constitutional abuse of power in American political history,
00:13:33.960spying on Republican senators, congressmen, and other prominent supporters.
00:13:39.120I think it's important people understand that your story is not just some abstraction.
00:14:04.600They attach expition to you through innuendo.
00:14:07.320Then they drag you through investigations, subpoenas, interrogations, legal bills, public humiliation, endless leaks, and professional annihilation.
00:14:18.560then even if no charges are ultimately filed, which was the case for you, and no crime is found,
00:14:26.560they shrug and pretend, well, the process itself was not just the punishment, when in fact, the process is the punishment.
00:14:34.740You have been an advocate for redress, and as I said, I don't know if you heard my opening segment,
00:14:42.820as much as I went through hell, as much as you and your family went through hell,
00:14:47.140I want to see those people who were abused on January 6th, denied due process, imprisoned in conditions that violate the Geneva Conventions.
00:14:57.300I really want to see those people get their due compensation out of this.
00:15:05.940To me, those people suffered immeasurably when, in fact, the Fed, the entire January 6th thing was indeed a Fed surrection.
00:15:17.140I was with Ed Martin serving as this kind of like acting chief of staff when he was a U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia.
00:15:27.680And I can tell you there was discussion because there were some violent felons in there.
00:15:32.940Right. There were some people that actually struck police, et cetera.
00:15:36.400And there was and there was a discussion in the room like, listen, I mean, we need to move swiftly or do we need to go through here and adjudicate them one by one?
00:15:46.780And swiftly was the answer. And they did it. Now we have a panel of five that they're putting together. I think the vast majority of the men and women who were abused in January 6 deserve recompense. But now they have a panel of five that can go through this and they can set parameters that they weren't able to do because the president promised immediate action and delivered it after Inauguration Day.
00:16:14.040Folks, if you're just tuning in, you're listening to The Stone Zone.
00:16:18.880Michael Caputo's career is remarkable by any standard.
00:16:21.540He's a Buffalo native, a military veteran, a skilled Republican strategist, a communications professional, and a longtime ally of one Donald J. Trump.
00:16:32.540Mike, we're going to take a quick break, and we'll be right back with more of Michael Caputo and Roger Stone on the other side.
00:16:44.040this is the stone zone now get him his own it's the stone zone a man who's gone through hell
00:16:57.120but he's kept going and he's smart and he's strong and people love him not everybody but
00:17:03.480people love him and respect him and we're back in the stone zone we're talking to army veteran
00:17:08.700Michael Caputo, who is a longtime policy consultant, a cancer survivor, who worked over at HHS under
00:17:17.480President Donald Trump to help the efforts to make America healthy again. Over his 40-year career,
00:17:24.620he served in various positions across Washington, including working for a man who belongs in the
00:17:30.080Football Hall of Fame, Congressman Jack Kemp. That's where I first met him. Later, the U.S.
00:17:34.980government sent him on a decade of international work in both Russia and Ukraine. That's probably
00:17:40.500why he became a target in the Mueller-Russia collusion hoax. He served in senior advisory
00:17:48.100capacities in both Donald Trump's 2016 and his 2024 presidential campaigns, and then later as
00:17:53.880assistant secretary for public affairs at HHS during COVID. He was diagnosed with stress-driven
00:18:00.220meditastic head and neck cancer, which he has survived because he's redeemed in the blood of
00:18:06.400the cross. And now he is the first person in the country to, I think symbolically, but importantly,
00:18:14.060apply for redress from this $1.8 billion fund that Donald Trump has very generously decided
00:18:22.720to create to compensate those who are the victims of weaponization. I can't stress how much how
00:18:28.620selfless this is. Trump could have won a $10 billion lawsuit against the IRS for illegally
00:18:35.920leaking his tax returns. Instead, he settled, and rather than put the settlement money in his
00:18:42.180pocket, he is dedicating it to this fund. So I think that is an enormously selfless act. Michael?
00:18:51.360It is, and I'll tell you, what we have to understand here, people listening and others,
00:18:58.620somebody listening out there is afraid to come forward you know it's been nine years of sheer
00:19:04.520hell for many people you know my fbi investigation just ended four months ago they were spying on me
00:19:10.460for a year of the trump administration and for eight years before that but roger you know you
00:19:16.240anybody who interacted with you uh and with me because we were under investigation by these uh
00:19:22.240by these, you know, weaponized, you know, political types.
00:19:27.160If you were my driver at some point, if you were my assistant at some point,
00:19:31.920et cetera, et cetera, I'm finding people who were interrogated by the FBI
00:19:36.280during the first administration, friends of mine,
00:19:39.980and I didn't even know they got attorney's fees.
00:19:42.580My cameraman on my 2020 film on Biden's ripping off Ukraine,
00:19:48.520My cameraman just came forward recently and told me he was represented by counsel for several, for a better part of a year while the FBI was interrogating him.
00:19:59.100These people have $20,000, $30,000, $40,000 in legal fees.
00:20:10.540There are, and let me tell you, Roger, you know this.
00:20:13.060There are thousands of these men and women who have suffered at some level, less than you, less than me, and God forbid, Carter Page and Paul Manafort and Raleigh Terrace and J.D. Gordon.
00:20:27.860You know, not much, but in reality, 25, getting your legal fees back when you had to sell your house and you're living in a trailer, that's something, by gosh.
00:20:38.320And that's what Donald Trump is doing here right now.
00:20:40.860It's not that he's out there looking to reimburse people who aren't really suffering.
00:20:48.420The vast majority of the people that went through the weaponized attack on Donald Trump, they're suffering terribly.
00:20:56.140I've met people who lost their houses.
00:20:57.700I've met people that are being criminally prosecuted right now.
00:21:04.220And a lot of people out there, not just my family, and God bless you, Roger, I know you went through a lot.
00:21:08.920not just your family, you know, not just the people we know.
00:21:13.300You know, when I was researching this issue for Donald Trump's 24 campaign,
00:21:16.940I got to know dozens and dozens and dozens of people who were just destroyed by a $50,000 legal fee.
00:21:26.120There are a lot of people deserving of this, and I'm real pleased to see the president
00:21:29.420and Todd Blanche taking this out there and getting a lot of slings and arrows for it, too.
00:21:35.320By the way, Roger, if you're a Democrat, listen to The Stone Zone, and you want some recompense for the way the politically weaponized government abuse you, you're a Democrat, I urge you to come forward right now and test the system.
00:21:48.960I bet you get your due in restitution.
00:21:52.300Well, there's one other great thing about this, Mike, and that is it gives us a forum to point out that the only Russian that we talked to, the only Russian who was sent to talk to us, turned out to be an FBI informant.
00:22:07.580It's funny how Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell made much of this.
00:22:13.700Oh, Stone and Caputo were meeting with this Russian informant until we revealed that that Russian informant, who's going by the name Hank Greenberg, was actually an FBI informant in the country, probably for the specific purpose of trying to entrap us.
00:22:30.560Somehow that missed the mainstream media.
00:22:35.700And also a guy who was accused of murdering his business partner in South and Central America, a guy who is still here working for the FBI.
00:22:43.280Thirty years in the FBI informant and somehow or another shift.
00:23:53.280I understand this now, and the people who are listening should understand.1.00
00:23:57.520With the FBI, never assign to conspiracy what you could blame on stupidity.1.00
00:24:04.620That was one of the most stupid ops I've ever heard of in my life.1.00
00:24:08.880Well, if he was undercover, he was not very well disguised.1.00
00:24:13.340He's scrolling through his phone, showing me pictures of him and his girlfriend at various Trump rallies.
00:24:20.020And in the end, my meeting with him lasted less than 10 minutes
00:24:24.020before I realized that there was nothing there to do or to be done.
00:24:28.940They made much of the fact that I'd forgotten that I had even met the guy.
00:24:33.700But then they wanted to forget it entirely when he posted online proof that he was an FBI informant.
00:24:41.380Yeah. One of the one of the dumbest criminals I've ever met.1.00
00:24:44.380Yeah. And, you know, I'll tell you, Roger, I don't know.1.00
00:24:49.220I brought that that idiot into our lives just as a shrug, you know, you know, these clowns are everywhere.1.00
00:24:55.460But really, it was a live operation going on right then.1.00
00:24:58.800And by the way, when you were sitting in that stupid restaurant in Sunny Isles, Florida, with this clown, right, as you sat there with that character, Lisa Page and Peter Strzok were having a little bit of fun on top of the desk in Mueller's conference room on the sixth or seventh floor of the FBI.0.97