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00:01:07.780 You are now entering the Stone Zone for our special Memorial Day show.

00:01:13.980 When I was in Washington, D.C. about a week ago, I went to Arlington National Cemetery to visit the grave of my political mentor,

00:01:22.600 former Connecticut Governor, Congressman and Ambassador John Davis Lodge.

00:01:28.620 John Lodge was the brother of Henry Cabot Lodge, who was, of course, Richard Nixon's vice presidential running mate in 1960.

00:01:35.640 They were both the sons of Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, who was Theodore Roosevelt's best friend and one of the founders of the modern Republican Party.

00:01:46.880 Lodge was a very interesting guy.

00:01:48.340 He had been a fairly popular movie star in the 1930s and 40s, starring in The Scarlet Empress with Marlena Dietrich, also as Shirley Temple's father in The Little Colonel.

00:02:03.280 He was incredibly handsome, as was his brother Cabot Lodge.

00:02:06.880 He went on to be elected to Congress, served one term as governor of Connecticut, and then was appointed ambassador to Spain by President Dwight Eisenhower, appointed ambassador to Argentina by President Richard Nixon.

00:02:23.960 And then later on, with my help, since he gave me my start in politics, I helped him with his finish and persuaded President Ronald Reagan to appoint him ambassador to Switzerland.

00:02:35.340 He was a proud Navy combat veteran.

00:02:40.460 And as you look over the rolling hills and the many tombstones across Ireland's cemetery,

00:02:48.940 you can't help but think about the significance of Memorial Day.

00:02:52.960 Now, I didn't serve. My father did.

00:02:56.420 I had an uncle who served in Korea.

00:02:59.900 My friends who did all serve survived, thank God.

00:03:03.280 I had a very low draft number. I can't say that for many of my contemporaries during the Vietnam

00:03:08.980 War. So I find Memorial Day humbling. I'm deeply aware that my freedom exists because others

00:03:16.060 sacrificed. They gave their lives. They lost people they loved. In some cases, they buried

00:03:22.480 their friends. So Americans like me could know peace and freedom. We can never repay what so

00:03:29.260 many of them gave. All of us can do is try to live lives, reflect the values and the patriotism of

00:03:36.540 those brave heroes died protecting. God bless every military member and their families on this

00:03:43.040 most precious of days. Memorial Day is a sacred day of remembrance consecrated by blood, grief,

00:03:50.800 sacrifice, and duty. So when someone has to do happy Memorial Day, it's not exactly the correct

00:03:56.960 sentiment. It's actually not a holiday. It's not merely the unofficial beginning of summer.

00:04:02.580 It's not a day for mattress sales or beach traffic or backyard cookouts, beer coolers,

00:04:08.580 or retail promotions wrapped in red, white, and blue bunting. For millions, Americans today,

00:04:15.320 Memorial Day is the worst day of the year. It's the day a mother stares at a folded flag inside

00:04:20.460 a mahogany box. It's the day a widow runs her fingers across the cold marble of a grave at

00:04:26.560 Arlington National Cemetery, as I did last week. It is the day a son remembers the father he barely

00:04:33.000 knew except through medals, photographs, and stories whispered through tears. You see, Memorial

00:04:39.280 Day is a sacred day of remembrance, consecrated by blood, grief, sacrifice, and duty. It's a day

00:04:46.680 when Americans must bow their heads before the altar of the fallen and remember, as Ronald Reagan

00:04:52.340 told us so many times, freedom is not free. Freedom is purchased in flesh and blood by

00:04:59.500 young Americans who climbed hills under machine gun fire, stormed beaches under artillery 0.54

00:05:05.180 barrages, flew burning aircraft into enemy skies, froze in foxholes, downed in distant seas,

00:05:13.100 and marched into battle knowing that they may never return home again. The story of Memorial

00:05:19.960 Day begins not in comfort, but in catastrophe. Its origins were born from the smoldering ashes

00:05:27.100 of the American Civil War, the deadliest conflict ever fought on American soil. The first formal

00:05:33.760 Memorial Day observances emerged when grieving Americans decorated the graves of Union soldiers

00:05:40.340 with flowers in what became originally known as Decoration Day. Yet the true roots of American

00:05:47.660 sacrifice stretched back even further to Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775, when a colonial

00:05:55.740 militia stood before the most powerful empire and military on earth, the British Empire, and

00:06:02.100 answered tyranny with musket fire. Ralph Waldo Emerson, the famous poet, later immortalized the

00:06:08.560 first exchange as the shot heard round the world. Because it was not merely the beginning of a

00:06:14.680 revolution. It was the birth of an idea unlike any other in human history. America was founded

00:06:21.180 upon the radical belief that our rights come from God, not kings, not governments, not bureaucracies,

00:06:28.180 and most certainly not from tyrants. That idea has been defended ever since by generations of

00:06:34.500 American warriors whose courage forged the republic in every era of danger and uncertainty.

00:06:40.120 The first Americans to die under the flag of the United States fell during the Revolutionary War.

00:06:47.680 Approximately 4,435 American soldiers were killed in combat during the American Revolution,

00:06:54.740 while more than 25,000 died overall from disease, exposure, imprisonment, and deprivation.

00:07:02.060 The Continental Army bore the overwhelming burden through colonial militias,

00:07:07.360 and early naval forces also suffered massive losses.

00:07:11.320 Shortly after independence,

00:07:12.840 America confronted the Barbary Wars,

00:07:15.080 very little written about that,

00:07:16.880 conflicts that many modern Americans barely remember,

00:07:19.940 but would shape the nation's understanding

00:07:21.880 of sovereignty and military power.

00:07:26.100 The Barbary Wars were fought

00:07:27.360 against North African pirate states,

00:07:29.300 including Tripoli, Algiers, Tunis, and Morocco,

00:07:33.280 whose rulers kidnapped U.S. sailors

00:07:36.000 enslaved Christians, hijacked merchant ships, and extorted tribute payments from Western nations.

00:07:43.680 European powers often paid the pirates for safe passage. America refused. Thomas Jefferson

00:07:51.340 understood that a republic unwilling to defend itself would soon cease to exist. The First

00:07:57.700 Barbary War, from 1801 to 1805, approximately 35 Americans were killed in battle, primarily

00:08:04.720 sailors and marines. Total deaths were roughly 74. The Second Barbary War, that was in 1815,

00:08:13.580 resulted in approximately four battle deaths and roughly 138 total deaths. These early conflicts

00:08:20.140 cemented the United States Navy and Marine Corps as guardians of American commerce and freedom

00:08:25.880 abroad. The War of 1812 followed, often called, Americans' Second War for Independence. British

00:08:32.600 forces burned their way through Washington, D.C., including burning the White House to the ground,

00:08:37.520 while American soldiers and sailors fought desperately to preserve the young republic.

00:08:42.980 Approximately 2,260 Americans were killed in battle, and roughly 15,000 died overall,

00:08:49.740 mostly from disease. The Army accounted for approximately 1,950 battle deaths,

00:08:55.820 while the Navy lost around 265 personnel

00:08:59.220 and the early Marine Corps lost around 40, 45.

00:09:03.780 Then there was the Mexican-American War.

00:09:06.280 That was from 1846 to 1848,

00:09:09.540 expanding the United States across the continent,

00:09:11.700 but it came at a terrible cost.

00:09:14.680 Approximately 1,733 Americans were killed in battle

00:09:18.760 and more than 13,000 died overall.

00:09:22.840 The Army suffered nearly all basal casualties

00:09:25.580 Marines and Navy personnel also perished in combat operations. Then, of course, came the

00:09:32.560 American Civil War, the great national crucible that nearly destroyed the Republic entirely.

00:09:38.560 Brother for brother. Entire towns lost their young men in a single afternoon.

00:09:45.140 More than 655,000 Americans died overall, including roughly 215,000 battle deaths between

00:09:52.740 Union, and Confederate forces. The overwhelming majority served in the Army, while naval losses

00:09:58.600 were significantly smaller. The Civil War remains the deadliest conflict in American history

00:10:04.280 because Americans killed other Americans on an industrial scale never before seen on this

00:10:10.520 continent. After the Civil War, of course, came the Indian Wars, frontier conflicts, interventions,

00:10:17.020 and overseas operations.

00:10:19.560 Thousands more Americans died during campaigns

00:10:22.100 against hostile tribes during the Seminole Wars

00:10:25.120 and in smaller military expeditions

00:10:27.640 that secured and expanded the nation.

00:10:31.100 The Boxer Rebellion in China

00:10:32.780 claimed approximately 68 American battle deaths.

00:10:36.000 Then the Spanish-American War of 1898

00:10:39.340 cost approximately 385 battle deaths

00:10:42.660 and roughly 2,446 total deaths.

00:10:47.020 It was there that Colonel Theodore Roosevelt became a national figure with his Rough Riders.

00:10:54.160 The Philippine-American War that followed claimed approximately 1,020 battle tests and more than 4,000 total deaths.

00:11:03.580 World War I introduced America to trench warfare, mustard gas, machine guns, and industrialized death on a horrifying scale.

00:11:14.000 More than 53,000 Americans were killed in battle, and over 116,000 died overall.

00:11:20.740 The Army and the American Expressionary Forces bore the brunt of combat losses,

00:11:25.540 while the Navy and Marine Corps also sustained significant casualties.

00:11:31.340 World War II transformed the entire planet into a furnace of violence.

00:11:35.740 The United States lost approximately 291,557 battle dead and more than 405 total military personnel perished.

00:11:46.720 The American Army and the Army Air Forces suffered more than 318,000 deaths.

00:11:52.420 The Navy lost more than 62,000 men.

00:11:55.500 The Marine Corps lost more than 24,000.

00:11:58.180 The Coast Guard lost nearly 2,000.

00:12:00.280 Young Americans cross oceans to storm Normandy, fight through the jungles of the Pacific, liberate concentration camps, and destroy fascism and Japanese militarism.

00:12:11.800 Entire cemeteries across Europe and Asia now stand as eternal monuments of American sacrifice.

00:12:19.480 The Korean War, often called the Korean Conflict, followed only five years later, often called the Forgotten War,

00:12:27.880 Korea has tragically overshadowed the monumental shadow of World War II and the later trauma of the Vietnam War.

00:12:34.880 Yet the men who fought in Incheon, Chosin Resoir, and along the frozen Korean Peninsula displayed extraordinary courage under unimaginable conditions.

00:12:45.500 Approximately 33,700 Americans were killed in battle, and more than 36,000 died overall.

00:12:52.840 The Army suffered the majority of losses, while Marines endured catastrophic casualties during some of the war's fiercest fighting.

00:13:00.880 The Korean war veterans deserve far greater recognition today than history has often afforded them.

00:13:06.620 Vietnam became the most painful chapter in American history, however.

00:13:10.360 approximately 58,220 Americans died during that conflict, including roughly 47,000 battle deaths.

00:13:18.580 The Army lost more than 38,000, the Marine Corps nearly 15,000, the Navy and Air Force each lost

00:13:25.220 thousands more. Some of those that I went to high school and college with went and never returned.

00:13:31.760 Young Americans fought bravely in jungles, villages, and rice paddies against a ruthless

00:13:36.680 communist insurgency. Yet when many returned home, they were not greeted as heroes. Some were cursed

00:13:43.320 at, humiliated, and even spit upon by radical anti-war activists, poisoned by self-hatred and

00:13:49.760 left-wing propaganda. Those Vietnam veterans deserve parades, gratitude, and reverence. Instead,

00:13:56.800 many received contempt from the very nation they risked their lives to defend. It remains one of

00:14:02.440 the greatest moral disgraces, in my opinion, of modern American society. In fact, President Trump

00:14:08.180 personally very quietly financed the Vietnam Veterans Welcome Home Parade in New York City

00:14:13.460 on May 7th, 1985, with a $1 million endowment, as well as raising additional funds. And he also

00:14:21.600 served as co-chairman of the New York Vietnam Veterans Memorial Commission, appointed by his

00:14:27.320 longtime nemesis, Mayor Ed Koch. The Cold War carried America into Lebanon, Grenada, Panama,

00:14:34.700 Somalia, and countless covert and conventional operations around the globe. Then, of course,

00:14:39.900 came the Gulf War, where approximately 294 Americans died, including roughly 149 to 288

00:14:47.620 battle deaths, depending on classification. Then came the Global War on Terror after September 11,

00:14:53.620 2001. It's long been my contention that we were lied into one of those wars, that Vice President

00:15:00.380 Dick Cheney led us into battle for a personal profit based on two different lies, the lie that

00:15:07.340 they had somehow been lied, that Iraq had somehow been involved in the attack on America on 9-11.

00:15:15.000 When we come back, we're going to talk more about what memorial means to me and to you.

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00:15:49.740 And continuing with the story of America at war in Afghanistan,

00:15:53.620 approximately 2,325 Americans died

00:15:57.200 and clearing nearly 1,900 battle deaths.

00:16:00.160 And of course, in Iraq, more than 4,492 Americans died

00:16:03.960 with battle deaths ranging between 3,500 and 4,000

00:16:07.440 depending on classification.

00:16:09.400 Thousands more returned home wounded physically

00:16:11.660 and psychologically, carrying scars invisible

00:16:14.400 to the naked eye, but permanent upon the soul.

00:16:18.220 Americans' military sacrifices extended

00:16:20.260 beyond combat alone.

00:16:21.440 Training accidents have claimed enormous numbers of American lives.

00:16:24.580 During World War II alone, approximately 15,000 American airmen died in training accidents before they ever saw combat.

00:16:31.440 From 2006 to 2021, more than 5,200 active duty personnel died in training mishaps and accidents.

00:16:39.300 Since 1980, tens of thousands of military accident deaths have occurred, many during exercises intended to prepare America for combat.

00:16:48.040 Every one of those lives mattered.

00:16:49.680 Everyone represented a son, a daughter, a husband, a wife, or a friend who raised their hand and volunteered to serve the United States of America.

00:16:59.680 Today, according to the Defense Prisoner of War and MIA Accounting Agency, approximately 80,000 to 83,000 Americans remain unaccounted for from World War II, Korea, Vietnam, and the Cold War, and other conflicts.

00:17:14.160 Roughly another 7,300 remain missing from Korea alone.

00:17:17.240 More than 1,500 remained missing from Vietnam.

00:17:20.540 Some were prisoners of war.

00:17:22.040 Some were lost at sea.

00:17:23.480 Some vanished behind enemy lines.

00:17:25.440 Many families never heard their answers.

00:17:28.140 Yet America continues to search for them because this nation understands a sacred principle.

00:17:33.400 We do not abandon our dead.

00:17:35.980 The total number of Americans who died for our freedoms and liberties, approximately 1.3 million men and women.

00:17:41.580 They came from every race, creed, religion, state, and economic background.

00:17:47.240 Farmers from Iowa, steelworkers from Pennsylvania, ranchers from Texas, fishermen from Maine, coal miners from West Virginia, immigrants who barely spoke English.

00:17:56.840 Remember them all today on this solemn Memorial Day.

00:18:00.900 I'm Roger Stone. You're listening to The Stone Zone, and we'll be right back.

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00:18:17.240 Welcome back to the Stone Zone for our discussion of this solemn Memorial Day.

00:18:23.780 Actually, online, I've posted pictures of Dwight Eisenhower, Navy Lieutenant Richard M. Nixon, and General George S. Patton,

00:18:32.420 three of my all-time favorites as men who served.

00:18:35.560 Right now, I want to talk about another who served.

00:18:38.220 That is Tulsi Gabbard, who resigned last Friday as the Director of National Intelligence,

00:18:43.520 who served with honor as a combat veteran in Afghanistan.

00:18:50.220 And joining me to discuss this is Mark Vargas.

00:18:53.140 He's the editor-in-chief at Illinois Review, also a frequent contributor at Newsmax.

00:18:59.360 And Mark, you wrote a terrific piece entitled Tulsi Gabbard Restore Trust in Americans' Intelligence Community

00:19:06.060 that I really want to talk about because her brief tenure there is really quite extraordinary.

00:19:11.860 If you are a Trump supporter and if you understood the deep state effort to delegitimize Trump's election in 2016 and the illicit, seditious conspiracy to remove him from power, then you would understand the enormous contribution that Tulsi Gabbard made to this country.

00:19:31.380 Roger it is it's on it's unbelievable and you think about when President Trump nominated her

00:19:39.420 she had one mission and that was to restore integrity to America's intelligence apparatus

00:19:45.720 and return its core national security responsibilities instead of utilizing the

00:19:52.040 intel agencies to spy and create fake charges against their political enemies 0.98

00:19:58.140 And I can only imagine the pushback that she received behind the scenes from these career corrupt officials that were pushing back at every step of the way.

00:20:10.920 But when you look back at her brief tenure as DNI, it really is remarkable.

00:20:17.500 I mean, I outline in this article, she launched a director's initiative group specifically to expose politicization, declassifying massive troves on the Russia hoax, Obama-era surveillance of the Trump campaign, and other widespread abuses.

00:20:36.360 And she revoked security clearance of, get this, 37 officials tied to these scandals and these leaks.

00:20:43.920 And she fired, we can't forget, she fired senior analysts whose assessments read like partisan op-eds instead of straight-out intelligence matters. 0.96

00:20:54.140 And, you know, with ODNI 2.0, these reforms, she cut the bloated bureaucracy by over 40 percent and saving taxpayers $700 million a year.

00:21:05.820 She pushed back on the declassifications of the JFK files, COVID origins, and she created real transparency.

00:21:15.720 I mean, for the first time, Anthony Fauci and his team are in real trouble because of Tulsi Gabbard and her work as DNI.

00:21:24.320 And so it really is remarkable what she's accomplished and the legacy that she leaves within the intelligence community in just a short period of time.

00:21:33.620 Well, and as you point out, she did it all very quietly. So she essentially completely exposed the whole Russia, Russia, Russia hoax as a completely falsified narrative.

00:21:46.500 And she brought it right to the doorstep of Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, National Security Advisor Susan Rice, the ringleader, CIA Director John Brennan, the Islamic convert, FBI Director James Comey, the Director of National Intelligence General James Clapper, Rod Rosenstein, the late Robert Mueller.

00:22:10.200 this was a, indeed, as the president told us, it was a hoax. She declassified the documents

00:22:15.380 that prove that beyond any doubt whatsoever. The New York Times, the Washington Post,

00:22:21.100 the CNNs, the MSNBCs, they still refuse to admit it, but she accomplished all of that

00:22:27.000 very quietly. As you point out, unlike so many officials in Washington who chase cable news

00:22:32.800 television experiences and media praise, Gabbard never sought the spotlight. She worked very

00:22:38.020 tirelessly behind the scenes and she focused on reforms instead of headlines. She only spoke

00:22:43.160 when she had something very specific to declassify. And therefore, it's very hard for me to understand

00:22:49.900 how some, such as my former friend Laura Loomer, who claims to be a Trump loyalist, can criticize

00:22:56.480 her as she has. Not only did she expose the Russian collusion hoax, but she also exposed

00:23:03.240 the two phony impeachments. You remember the cute little Vindman brothers in their twin outfits and

00:23:08.960 the so-called whistleblower, Eric Sierra Mella, who was indeed a CIA operative being coached

00:23:15.240 by Congressman, now Senator Adam Pencilneck Schiff. The whole thing was a fraud and Tulsi

00:23:21.460 Garrett proved it. It is no longer conjecture. It is an undisputed truth. Yet there are some,

00:23:29.560 Some even in the Trump administration

00:23:31.860 Who criticize her

00:23:33.220 It's very hard to understand

00:23:34.480 You know, and

00:23:36.260 President Trump has been talking about this

00:23:38.560 For years, and you know this better than anyone else

00:23:41.120 Roger, and he's been warning that the

00:23:42.820 Intelligence agencies were being used

00:23:44.820 To target political enemies

00:23:46.120 That they were spying on his 2015

00:23:48.440 Presidential campaign

00:23:49.840 But previous administrations

00:23:52.160 Ignored this, why?

00:23:54.720 Because they were complicit

00:23:56.040 And they were participating

00:23:57.500 And I think that Tulsi's work, I mean, this is God's work. This really puts Obama and Biden administrations into a corner. And they have a lot of questions to answer. And conservatives have been demanding answers for a long time, ever since President Trump exposed all of this, because this is what the American people have wanted.

00:24:18.020 An intelligence committee that serves the people and the Constitution, not the permanent D.C. ruling class like the Comeys and the Mullers and the Biden and the Obama and the Schitts, right, to serve the American people.

00:24:34.360 And she took real swings at the deep state, and they pushed back, and they attacked her.

00:24:41.400 Even some within the so-called MAGA movement have continued to attack, like Laura Loomer.

00:24:46.620 But what she has done is absolutely remarkable and historical, and the American people have heard us think when these corrupt officials are put in handcuffs, and it's all because of the work of Tulsi Gabbard.

00:25:02.440 Here's a statement from President Donald Trump, who correctly says,

00:25:06.280 Unfortunately, having done a great job, Tulsi Gabbard will be leaving the administration on June 30th.

00:25:11.640 Her wonderful husband, Abraham, has been recently diagnosed with a rare form of bone cancer,

00:25:16.980 and she rightfully wants to be with him, bringing him back to good health

00:25:20.240 as they currently fight a very tough battle together.

00:25:23.340 I have no doubt that she will soon be better than ever, that he will soon be better than ever.

00:25:27.460 Tulsi's done an incredible job, and we will miss her.

00:25:30.180 I think that sums it up.

00:25:31.640 Yet the Wall Street Journal keeps insisting that she was forced out.

00:25:35.100 What bothers me is as soon as she began looking into the 2020 election, a charge very specifically given to her by President Trump, as soon as she began examining the security and the and the integrity of the electronic voting machines, as soon as she led that raid with the FBI on the warehouse in Fulton County, Georgia, seizing the 300,000 paper ballots that were allegedly mailed in but never folded in half.

00:26:04.180 We hear from this incredible report by the veteran journalist Catherine Herridge that the Central Intelligence Agency began surveilling the director of national intelligence and her entire working group.

00:26:19.320 So we have the government spying on another wing of the government.

00:26:23.440 And then we had a whistleblower step forward last week.

00:26:27.140 My sources tell me everything that whistleblower said was accurate.

00:26:30.200 they were upset because Tulsi Gabbard worked hand-in-hand with Congressman Annapolino Luna of Florida.

00:26:38.820 When the president's order to declassify all of the documents pertaining to the Kennedy assassination,

00:26:45.680 he limited that to the documents that were in the possession of the National Archives.

00:26:50.280 Well, that's a good start, but the problem is that a number of government agencies,

00:26:54.140 such as the CIA and the FBI and the IRS and Army Intelligence and Naval Intelligence and others had never turned over key documents to the National Archives.

00:27:07.240 And therefore, between Tulsi Gabbard and the use of subpoenas from Anna Polina Luna's subcommittee, they ferret out the truth about the Kennedy assassination.

00:27:16.420 And we have yet to have, and we're going to have, hearings about the assassination of Senator Robert Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King. Those are yet to come.

00:27:26.260 What we do now know is that the Warren Commission was a complete fraud. We know indisputably that the government's knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald and Oswald's active participation as both a CIA and an FBI asset is now completely undisputed.

00:27:45.380 This is due to the courage of Tulsi Gabbard, and it is why I believe that last week, as we learned, just before they were about to declassify them, there was a rate is too strong, but the CIA moved aggressively to seize 40 boxes of documents that had not yet been declassified.

00:28:05.600 declassified. So Kelsey Gabbard strikes me as a truth teller. From a political point of view,

00:28:13.580 I must say, I met her when she was still an independent, when she was contemplating what

00:28:19.760 to do with her life after leaving the Democrat Party or after the Democrat Party left her.

00:28:25.020 She called me Thursday night at 830 because we are close friends, because I was her bridge into

00:28:31.100 Trump world because I helped persuade her to support Donald Trump. I later helped convince

00:28:37.500 her to become a Republican. And I was a great advocate for her appointment as the head of the

00:28:45.000 Office of Defense or of Intelligence. Now, some people thought that was strange. Why would you

00:28:52.540 call a political operative? It's very simple. We're friends. We are very good friends. And I think

00:28:59.140 that those who believe that they've heard the laugh of Tulsi Gabbard are wrong. Like Ronald

00:29:04.780 Reagan, she's incredibly sure-footed. She's incredibly confident. She's cautious in the

00:29:11.560 sense that during her entire tenure, she never made any claim about the voting machines or about

00:29:17.920 Russian collusion or about the impeachments that she could not back up with empirical evidence.

00:29:23.400 I think she has a star quality

00:29:25.800 That is underestimated by some

00:29:28.120 I have no doubt whatsoever 0.89

00:29:29.740 That she has a great political future

00:29:32.040 There's no doubt

00:29:33.940 And Roger, she appeals

00:29:35.640 To the mainstream Democrat Party

00:29:38.440 Who no longer relate

00:29:40.440 To the Democrats 0.92

00:29:41.840 And that's why her move 0.99

00:29:44.440 To the Republican Party

00:29:45.620 Particularly under President Trump's leadership

00:29:48.000 Is so historical

00:29:49.680 Because she represents

00:29:51.680 what every democrat feels and that is i don't recognize my party anymore and she is far from

00:30:00.120 over and of all the directors of national intelligence since this position has been

00:30:04.820 created no one has made the impact that she has made in just a short period of time and she really

00:30:13.240 does make history uh with exposing uh the deep fraud uh and the surveillance programs that were

00:30:21.460 spying on everyday Americans, spying on President Trump and on his team with no legal justification.

00:30:29.160 She really confronted this corrupt establishment, didn't back down, 0.63

00:30:34.800 and created transparency that we've never yet seen in history out of the director of national intelligence.

00:30:41.040 It truly is remarkable.

00:30:43.000 Yeah, you've mentioned this, but I think among the best things she did was revoking security clearances

00:30:48.600 for as many as 37 officials, many of whom were signers of that letter, falsely claiming that

00:30:56.080 Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. When you and I both know that it was absolutely

00:31:02.080 completely accurate and shockingly true, a compendium of bribery, crime and treason.

00:31:10.720 She is absolutely fearless. But she's also she's very cool. She's great on television. She's a

00:31:18.320 great interview. For some reason, Laura Loomer keeps insisting that I'm going to manage her

00:31:23.180 campaign for president in 2028. In all honesty, I don't think she's going to run for president in

00:31:28.540 2028. I do think she will be president. I do think she'll be president someday. I don't think it'll

00:31:34.320 be in 2028. In our party, as you know, sitting vice presidents are rarely dumped. I'm a big fan

00:31:40.200 of J.D. Vance. And if for some reason he didn't want to run, which I really doubt, Marco Rubio

00:31:46.400 certainly would be a great candidate as well. Although in our party, we don't dump sitting

00:31:51.920 vice presidents. I think Tulsi Gabbard has done the great thing. Rather than reach for power,

00:31:58.920 she's made the decision to put her husband and her family first. If she stayed and reached for

00:32:05.480 power instead of that, then she would not be the worthy leader that we think she is.

00:32:10.120 she would not be put here by province, which I believe she has been.

00:32:16.220 Mark, I want to thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.

00:32:19.380 Tell folks where they can go to see the Illinois Review.

00:32:23.100 Sure. Thank you, Roger.

00:32:24.760 IllinoisReview.com.

00:32:26.100 Follow us on X at Illinois Review and me on X at Mark A. Vargas.

00:32:32.640 All right. That's Mark Vargas with a great analysis of Tulsi Gabbard.

00:32:37.060 Thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.

00:32:39.160 When we come back, we'll talk about the other great reason I like Memorial Day.

00:32:42.840 And that is, this is the beginning of the season where you can wear linen, 0.73

00:32:47.700 madras, seersucker, break out those white bucks or those spectators. 1.00

00:32:52.360 This is time for a change of wardrobe. 1.00

00:32:55.120 And that is one of my favorite subjects.

00:32:56.600 Mark, thanks for joining us.

00:32:57.720 And thank you for listening to The Stone Zone.

00:32:59.760 We'll be right back.

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00:33:12.880 Welcome back into the Stone Zone,

00:33:15.440 along with praying for all of those who gave their lives

00:33:18.780 that we may be free on this Memorial Day.

00:33:21.340 I know you join me in also praying for Tulsi Gabbard

00:33:24.180 and her husband, who unfortunately was diagnosed

00:33:28.320 with a very rare form of bone cancer.

00:33:32.220 This idea that she was forced out or pushed out

00:33:35.340 is a canard, it's a falsehood.

00:33:37.800 The Wall Street Journal, which used to be a newspaper, but now is just a propaganda front for the far left, has carried this line.

00:33:44.960 It's simply not true.

00:33:46.540 But with Memorial Day approaching, every gentleman should understand and appreciate something called the spectator shoe.

00:33:52.840 Now, there are shoes that whisper, and then there are shoes that announce themselves with the brazen confidence of a trumpet at a midlife jazz club.

00:34:00.620 Spectator shoes, you've seen them, do not plightly enter the room.

00:34:03.940 They arrive.

00:34:04.760 They declare with unapologetic incline that the man wearing them has no interest in sartorial anonymity.

00:34:11.700 These are the two-tone shoes, brown and white, black and white, and they're only acceptable between Memorial Day and Labor Day.

00:34:18.820 So to understand the spectator shoe is to understand a peculiar alchemy of utility, rebellion, and aristocratic leisure.

00:34:27.020 Known in Britain as the Correspondent Shoe, a moniker dripping with insinuation and scandal,

00:34:32.400 It's a design that straddles propriety and provocation with remarkable dexterity.

00:34:37.920 It is at once a gentleman's shoe and a cad's calling card.

00:34:42.760 The origins of this flamboyant contrivance are far more pragmatic than its later reputation might suggest to you.

00:34:48.920 They were indeed not a product created during the Art Deco area, but that era was popular that popularized them.

00:34:54.900 In 1868, the firm of John Lobb in London was widely credited with crafting a two-tone cricket shoe intended to solve a pedestrian persistent problem.

00:35:05.480 All white footwear, although aesthetically pristine, was mercilessly betrayed by the English countryside.

00:35:11.320 Mud, grass, and dust conspired to sully the appearance of even the most fastidious sportsman.

00:35:17.300 So Lobb's innovation was elegantly simple,

00:35:20.760 reinforced the high wear areas, the toe cap and heel with darker leather,

00:35:26.280 thereby concealing the inevitable grime while preserving the illusion of immaculate dress.

00:35:32.120 From this utilitarian genesis emerged something far more intriguing to me.

00:35:36.860 The two-toned shoe migrated from the playing field to the sidelines,

00:35:41.680 adopting a well-heeled spectators who found them a perfect synthesis

00:35:45.780 for practicality and panache. The name spectator thus not only merely description but also a

00:35:52.500 social designation. These were shoes for men who watched not labored. Shoes for those whose present

00:35:58.460 at the match itself was kind of a performance. They go well with seersucker or a clean colored

00:36:05.300 linen. These are the shoes of summer. Their aesthetic lineage runs deeper still drawing

00:36:10.680 upon the brogue traditions of Ireland and Scotland, where perforated leather once served

00:36:16.220 the decidedly unglamorous function of draining water from the bog, trout, and footwear. So in

00:36:23.400 the spectator shoe, however, these perforations became purely decorative, or ornamental flourish,

00:36:28.640 if you will, that lent visual complexity and certain rakish charm to the shoes. The result

00:36:34.380 was a hybrid and structural dignity of the Oxford, the decorative exuberance of the brogue,

00:36:39.880 and the visual audacity of the contrasting collars.

00:36:43.600 So now, after Memorial Day is the best time.

00:36:47.740 Now, you can also go for the white bucks. 0.99

00:36:50.400 That is also acceptable.

00:36:51.880 But you can only wear these shoes,

00:36:54.040 which look great with a seersucker suit,

00:36:56.100 or like I say, a cream-colored linen suit,

00:36:59.100 or even a light gray trouser,

00:37:02.280 or a madras jacket and light gray trousers.

00:37:04.940 You can only wear them between Memorial Day and Labor Day.

00:37:08.620 So, this Memorial Day, take a look for them.

00:37:11.960 I'll be wearing them almost immediately and virtually every day until Labor Day

00:37:15.340 because they are my favorite.

00:37:17.380 These are the shoes of speakeasies, dance halls, and smoky, sultry cabarets.

00:37:22.800 Jazz musicians, dancers, and more buoyant elements of society

00:37:26.100 have embraced them with fervor, and now you can do the same.

00:37:29.760 Thank you for joining us today on The Stone Zone.

00:37:31.900 I'm Roger Stone, and enjoy your Speckstater shoes.

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