The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


The Stone Zone ｜ 05-27-26


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Tulsi Gabbard was a four-term congresswoman from Hawaii who served as the first woman to become the Director of National Intelligence. She was also a combat veteran of the Iraq War and served as a member of the House Armed Services Committee.

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00:01:00.400 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:01:07.460 You are now entering the Stone Zone.
00:01:10.800 If you've been listening to the Stone Zone this week, you know that I am an unadulterated fan of Tulsi Gabbard,
00:01:18.360 who stepped down last Friday as the director of national intelligence.
00:01:23.240 Tulsi Gabbard is, to my mind, one of the most impressive individuals the president has appointed.
00:01:27.580 Of course, she was a former four-term congresswoman from Hawaii as a Democrat, an anti-war Democrat.
00:01:35.780 She's a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve and, of course, a combat veteran of the Iraq conflict.
00:01:43.800 She's a woman of uncommon principle.
00:01:47.440 Back during the time that her nomination was pending, I got a call from somebody very high up in the White House
00:01:54.740 who knew that I had a close relationship with her.
00:01:57.680 I had been a major advocate for her support of President Trump
00:02:01.840 when she was still an independent.
00:02:03.860 I later, I think, played some role in convincing her to become a Republican,
00:02:08.560 and I was very definitely an advocate for her appointment
00:02:12.080 as the Director of National Intelligence.
00:02:15.120 The President has said this publicly a number of times.
00:02:18.020 I have both great respect and affection for Tulsi Gabbard.
00:02:21.520 and to me it was a bit of a gut punch that she was put in this terrible position of having to
00:02:29.600 step down because her husband Abe who I met once but seemed like a terrific guy has a very very
00:02:35.900 serious health issue he has a very rare bone cancer and he's facing a very tough road to recovery
00:02:43.320 I guess if she had chosen power over her marriage I would think less of her and she did the right
00:02:49.440 thing here, but she has an extraordinary record. She declassified the Russian collusion hoax
00:02:54.760 documents. In other words, the claim that Russia interfered in our 2016 election to try to help
00:03:01.780 Donald Trump has now been completely and totally demolished. No media talking head can say that
00:03:08.020 with any modicum of credibility anymore because of the courageous act of Tulsi Gabbard. It's
00:03:15.000 interesting because the current CIA director, John Radcliffe, who I think is a good man,
00:03:19.660 could have declassified these very same documents back at the end of Trump's first term, but did
00:03:25.780 not do so. Kelsey Gabbard went on to declassify the documents that prove that the impeachment
00:03:31.220 over an alleged phone call that President Trump had with Zelensky was yet another fraud. So I
00:03:39.820 don't think you've heard the last of Kelsey Gabbard. In fact, I think she has a bright future
00:03:43.600 as one of the rising stars in the party. 1.00
00:03:46.420 She has to take care of her family business first,
00:03:48.820 and I respect her for that.
00:03:50.240 The president spoke to the cabinet about Tulsi Gabbard.
00:03:54.720 Let's listen to that.
00:03:55.880 I want to express our tremendous gratitude
00:03:58.140 to our outgoing director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard,
00:04:02.040 who's a terrific person, actually.
00:04:04.100 Thank you.
00:04:04.160 I came up with some findings that were pretty good.
00:04:16.040 And Tulsi's worked tirelessly to restore trust and focus, the intelligence, and with the intelligence community, they all respected her.
00:04:24.660 They listened to her.
00:04:25.640 She gave us leads that were pretty much, people thought they were dead and they weren't dead.
00:04:31.060 that were right there and she was able to expose a lot of things that we used at the fbi with cash
00:04:36.400 and with todd and with jd and everybody else was amazing she dramatically reformed the office of
00:04:42.780 director of national intelligence and cutting the staff by 40 and she prevented countless
00:04:48.320 terrorists and cartel members from entering the united states she exposed mountains of evidence
00:04:54.120 related to the russia russia russia hoax one of the probably the greatest folks in the history
00:04:58.800 our country although when you look at the fraud coming out it's there's a lot of them i mean
00:05:03.520 honestly there's a lot of them but the russia russia russia hoax a great hoax a very dangerous
00:05:08.740 hoax to and revoke security clearances of officials involved and she declassified numerous
00:05:14.620 historic documents of special public interest including related to the jfk and rfk assassinations
00:05:21.440 which everybody wanted to see and we're now releasing a lot of things having to do with
00:05:27.120 space you know it's people are very interested in it it actually became the number one topic
00:05:34.740 we're releasing a lot of information having to do with extraterrestrial terrestrial
00:05:39.360 things and people are totally fascinated by it it's amazing i wasn't sure if they would
00:05:47.580 enjoy it it's literally trending number one can you believe it so a lot of people out there are
00:05:54.340 like it but we're releasing all of that information and Tulsi we're praying for you and for your
00:05:59.220 husband her husband's not feeling great but he's going to feel great soon you're going to make him
00:06:03.120 you're going to get him better and he's a wonderful guy so just say hello and thank you for the great
00:06:08.660 work you've done we appreciate it thank you very much so uh the point of course is that Tulsi 0.57
00:06:14.680 does not leave office until June 30th and I think she has some bangers coming I think she's going
00:06:20.420 to declassify documents about the origins of the COVID-19 vaccination, about the so-called Havana 1.00
00:06:26.520 syndrome. That's where our diplomats were subjected to some kind of high-tech treatment
00:06:35.400 by the Cuban government. But most importantly, I think she's going to shed light on the 2020
00:06:42.020 election. Both the paper ballots, 300,000 of which were counted in Georgia, having never been folded
00:06:49.400 in half and therefore obviously never actually mailed in as required by law. I also think she's
00:06:55.060 going to expose a great deal about the integrity and the security of these electronic voting
00:07:00.520 machines. So she's not going to go quietly. She's going to expose even more the epic corruption of
00:07:07.540 the deep state before she goes. I've said it before. I will say it here again in the Stone
00:07:12.360 Zone. I believe she will be the first woman president of the United States, not in 2028. 0.85
00:07:18.160 I think that's unlikely. But someday, I really fervently believe that. In the meantime, I wish
00:07:24.960 her the very best and her husband for a speedy recovery and a return to public service. Because
00:07:31.720 I'm a political junkie, of course, I followed the Texas U.S. Senate race and the primaries very
00:07:38.840 carefully. Texas delivered a major political earthquake that showed that the state is
00:07:43.900 actually getting redder due to the success of President Trump and the MAGA movement.
00:07:50.040 Attorney General Ken Paxton, who's a good friend of mine, defeated longtime
00:07:54.240 RINO U.S. Senator John Cornyn in the Republican runoff for the U.S. Senate,
00:07:59.960 powered by President Trump's surprise endorsement and a grassroots revolt against the Washington,
00:08:06.140 D.C. swamp. Cornyn entered the race with decades in the Senate and heavy institutional backing.
00:08:12.360 the Republican National Senatorial Committee spent over 100 million dollars to try to secure
00:08:19.320 his re-election. Just think where that money could have been spent more positively. But Texas
00:08:24.940 Republicans instead chose a fighter, Ken Paxton, over an establishment politician who very rarely
00:08:31.280 had President Trump's back when it really mattered. And after neither candidate cleared 50 percent in
00:08:36.780 the first go-round in March, Paxton closed the deal in the runoff, proving once again that
00:08:42.620 President Trump's endorsement remains the single most powerful force in deciding Republican
00:08:48.440 primaries. Now, I'm a 50-year veteran of American politics. I'm a veteran of 13 national presidential
00:08:54.780 campaigns. I worked for the great Ronald Reagan. I worked for him in 1976 when he was an insurgent.
00:09:00.720 I worked for him in 1980 when he was a favorite. I worked for his reelection in 1984. I loved the
00:09:07.500 Gipper and I loved working for him. I look at that hardy band that was with us in 76. I'm one of the
00:09:14.420 few people still left alive from that. It's hard to believe. But I can say this, even though Reagan
00:09:20.660 was an extraordinarily popular president, particularly among Republicans, his endorsement
00:09:26.000 never packed the kind of wallop that Donald Trump's endorsement does.
00:09:30.100 Trump is now, I believe, 118 for 118 endorsements in this cycle.
00:09:36.780 Meanwhile, of course, Democrats had their own problems
00:09:39.480 in the 31st Congressional District of Texas.
00:09:42.760 Johnny Garcia defeated Maureen Galindo
00:09:47.580 after her campaign was engulfed with backlash
00:09:50.600 over anti-Semitism and anti-law enforcement rhetoric.
00:09:54.100 So even national Democrats are forced to condemn her comments.
00:09:59.100 And in Houston, longtime anti-Trump Democrat Al Green, remember him?
00:10:03.820 He was a guy shaking his cane menacingly at the president during the State of the Union,
00:10:08.900 and he had to be removed from the chambers.
00:10:11.680 Not the way any congressman, Democrat or Republican should act.
00:10:15.040 He was defeated by fellow Democrat Christian Menifee after redistricting pushed the two incumbents into the same district.
00:10:22.640 Now, Al Green should not be confused with Al Green, the singer who did Love and Happiness.
00:10:28.620 I love that Al Green.
00:10:30.220 This Al Green is a loudmouth radical, and the Congress will be better without him.
00:10:35.760 He builds a national reputation on the impeachment stunts and confrontations with President Trump,
00:10:41.420 but his congressional career is now effectively over.
00:10:45.340 When a radical progressive like Al Green can't even win in the Democratic primary,
00:10:49.740 tells you a lot about where the Democrat Party is today. The change shows that there's no appetite
00:10:56.900 for extreme leftism in the Lone Star of Texas. Texas is going to remain conservative for a long
00:11:03.440 time, and the rise of MAGA with more formidable Republicans on the ballot in November will also
00:11:10.560 ensure that Democrats are never able to fulfill their fantasy of turning Texas blue. We also
00:11:17.000 remind you that Ken Paxton, prior to defeating John Cornyn in his last primary for Attorney
00:11:23.220 General of Texas, he defeated George P. Bush, the great grandson of President George H.W. Bush.
00:11:31.700 The Republican Party has changed. It's no longer the party of the country clubs,
00:11:35.520 the Wall Street elite, and the billionaires. Bush republicanism is finished as a force.
00:11:42.480 Jonathan Bush is running for governor of Maine, and despite spending almost $4 million on heavy TV buys,
00:11:51.320 he's running dangerously behind the MAGA candidate, another race to keep an eye on.
00:11:56.580 Meanwhile, former President Joe Biden is going to court to try to keep the public from hearing audio recordings
00:12:03.620 tied to the classified documents investigation that shadowed the final years of his presidency.
00:12:09.700 Now, some may remember that President Richard Nixon went to court to try to withhold his tapes made in the Oval Office, and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against him unanimously.
00:12:22.480 And, of course, there was a media firestorm over his efforts to try to keep those tapes secret.
00:12:28.720 Of course, you haven't had the same kind of media firestorm regarding Joe Biden.
00:12:34.340 On May 26, Biden filed a lawsuit in federal court in Washington, D.C., seeking to block the Department of Justice from releasing recordings, answering scripts, and private conversations had with Mark Swicker, who was his ghostwriter.
00:12:51.600 That was between 2016 and 2017.
00:12:53.560 Those conversations were later obtained by the federal investigators during the special counsel Robert Herr's probe into Biden's handling of classified documents.
00:13:05.200 Herr's investigation concluded that Biden had willfully retained classified documents, although unlike Donald Trump, no prosecution was brought against him because they said the evidence did not meet the criminal standard for convictions.
00:13:19.360 In other words, the classic two-tier justice system, different class of justice.
00:13:25.480 Biden, of course, was not a president of the United States when he withheld the classified documents.
00:13:32.460 He was vice president.
00:13:33.900 He even held classified documents from his time as a U.S. Senate, all in violation of the law, none of which, of course, he was charged with.
00:13:41.640 Yet Donald Trump withheld or held on to classified documents during his time as a former president, which under the Presidential Records Act, he had the full authority to do.
00:13:54.600 I'm Roger Stone, you're listening to Stone Zone, and we'll be right back.
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00:14:29.940 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:14:33.660 He likes politics, and he's a professional at the highest level.
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00:14:57.280 Welcome back into the Stone Zone.
00:14:59.140 if you're a political junkie like me, and I certainly am one, you've been following the
00:15:03.480 entire question of congressional redistricting very carefully. If you'd asked me six weeks ago
00:15:08.300 whether congressional redistricting would benefit the Democrats and the Republicans, I was skeptical
00:15:12.660 that it would benefit the Republicans as much as I appear it is now going to. But due to a landmark
00:15:18.960 U.S. Supreme Court decision, which ruled that you can no longer draw congressional districts based
00:15:23.980 on race, which makes sense to me because we should have a colorblind society. I now think
00:15:30.460 that congressional redistricting is going to be a net positive for Republicans heading into the
00:15:35.100 midterms. I see a pickup of at least four seats in Florida, for example. I see a pickup of seats
00:15:40.720 in Texas. I see a pickup of seats in Tennessee. Problem for the Democrats is they have already
00:15:46.620 gerrymandered in the districts and the states that they control. So in states that have a Democrat
00:15:51.580 governor and they control both houses of legislature like California or Illinois, they have already
00:15:57.760 done these jigsaw puzzle districts and there are no more districts for them to fabricate.
00:16:04.580 South Carolina Republicans failed, unfortunately, to pass a congressional district plan that would
00:16:09.500 have strengthened the Republicans' hand in the 2026 election in the Palmetto State and targeted
00:16:15.380 the seat held by Democrat Jim Clyburn, the only state's lone Democrat left in Congress. The
00:16:21.080 Republican-controlled state Senate effectively killed the Trump-backed proposal after lawmakers voted to adjourn until June 10th after the June 9th primary.
00:16:32.980 Early voting had already begun.
00:16:35.020 Several Republican senators say that President Trump, arguing that the process, came too late and moved too fast.
00:16:42.820 Republican state Senator Richard Cash said he could not support stopping the election already at midway.
00:16:48.500 And Republican State Senator Todd Davis blasted the map-making process as outsourced to Republican consultants with too little transparency.
00:16:59.520 They may have an argument. 0.76
00:17:01.280 This is a little different than what happened in Indiana, where lawmakers made pathetic excuses not to act.
00:17:07.320 In South Carolina, the House has already approved the new maps,
00:17:10.260 and the proposal had already helped Republicans flip Clyburn's district and expand the South Carolina Republican base.
00:17:17.480 For those who are looking forward to the Republican Senate primary, where incumbent Senator Lindsey Graham is facing Pastor Mark Lynch, my only word of caution to you is this.
00:17:32.020 South Carolina has what is called an open primary.
00:17:35.160 That means that anyone of any party, Republican, Democrat, or no party at all, can vote in the Republican primary. 0.97
00:17:42.720 If this was a closed primary, which is the custom in most states, I think Lindsey Graham's career would be over.
00:17:51.220 But in an open primary, in which anybody of any vote party or no party at all can vote, Lindsey Graham will get a large vote of liberal Democrats, usually in the Charleston area, that could help him survive.
00:18:03.740 I do think that race will be competitive and close. Mark Lynch has run a good campaign. While Lindsey Graham is endorsed by the president, something I don't quite understand, I do think it's possible that he could be beat.
00:18:17.320 South Carolina has a great tradition of the open primary.
00:18:20.380 When Strom Thurmond was a Democrat senator in 1964, he switched parties to become a Republican.
00:18:26.540 He insisted on resigning the seat midterm and holding a special election,
00:18:30.800 which he then won after winning the Republican primary with an influx of conservative Democrats saving him,
00:18:37.600 going on to serve in the U.S. Senate longer than any man in American history.
00:18:41.780 I'm Roger Stone. You're listening to Stone's Own, and we'll be right back.
00:18:46.700 the stone zone entertaining and informative on the red apple podcast network
00:19:00.240 and we're back in the stone zone joining me now is don brown who's a former u.s federal prosecutor
00:19:08.420 a navy jag officer and a pentagon council he's a nationally recognized legal and national security
00:19:16.000 analysts with extensive experience in constitutional law, military law, and geopolitical affairs.
00:19:23.500 There are few men in the country for whom I have this kind of respect and esteem.
00:19:28.460 Don Brown is a great American patriot. He's written a terrific book, Kangaroo Court,
00:19:34.200 which has a substantial section about the witch hunt that my family and I were subjected to,
00:19:39.840 and I'm really honored to join him to the Stone Zone today. The reason I asked Don Brown to join
00:19:44.980 us today is to discuss the far-left Twitch steamer, Hassan Piker, and revelations that
00:19:51.500 he has been subpoenaed by the Trump administration's Treasury Department for his recent trip to
00:19:57.020 Communist Cuba involving the radical group Code Pink. Under the guise of a so-called
00:20:03.960 humanitarian mission, Piker and the group delivered what they claimed was around $20
00:20:09.600 million dollars in aid, much of which appears to have gone to benefit the Cuban regime itself.
00:20:15.820 They met directly with Cuban dictator Díal Canel and stayed in luxury hotels while ordinary Cubans
00:20:27.060 suffered blackouts and churches. And they returned home, supposedly, having dealt with this
00:20:37.440 communist dictatorship. Don, what's really going on here?
00:20:41.260 What's going on, Roger, is you're having this radical young leftist who has gained fame as a
00:20:48.840 twitcher on social media. This kid, I call him a kid, he's 34 years old, Hassan Piker, who is best
00:20:55.040 known for radical statements such as America Deserve 9-11. He has said that Hamas is a thousand
00:21:01.520 times better than Israel. He said that it doesn't matter if people got raped on October 7th. You're 0.98
00:21:05.780 talking about this radical young man who's taking money, it looks like, from an exiled
00:21:11.000 American billionaire who is living in China named Neville Roy Singham, going to Cuba,
00:21:17.140 meeting with the dictator, using it as a stage to attack the Trump administration's policy
00:21:22.920 on Cuba, which frankly is not all that different yet from the policies that have gone all the
00:21:27.920 way back to John F. Kennedy in 1962, who originally imposed economic sanctions.
00:21:31.880 Yet you're using it as an excuse to attack the Trump administration to cuddle up with a communist dictator. 0.60
00:21:37.140 And now what's happening is the Treasury Department, and rightly so, has simply issued a subpoena to determine where the money went, to determine whether or not he's violated the economic sanctions prohibiting that. 0.83
00:21:47.580 You've got other issues as well, possibly a Logan Act, possibly failure to register as a foreign agent.
00:21:53.200 But I'm glad to see the Trump administration turn the heat up.
00:21:55.680 So this reminds me a bit of when, you know, to a certain degree, when John Kerry, you know, went to Iran and other places during the first Trump administration to sort of negotiate on his own.
00:22:09.120 But it can't happen.
00:22:10.820 And so it's going to be interesting to see what the results of this initial subpoena is going to be.
00:22:14.060 You can look for a possible indictment if they find that there has been a violation of sanctions prohibitions or the or FARA or something like that.
00:22:21.940 So that's really what we have.
00:22:23.100 Yeah, it's extraordinary to me that those on the left are never prosecuted under the Logan Act.
00:22:30.080 Under the Logan Act, you cannot have your own personal foreign policy.
00:22:34.320 So as you point out, having the former Secretary of State dealing with the Iranian regime, essentially assuring them that the Iranian deal would be revealed after Donald Trump left the White House.
00:22:54.880 I mean, he should have been prosecuted for that. It's not very different, by the way, than Barack Obama going to the UK and negotiating his own foreign policy. It's very hard to figure out what's going on here.
00:23:06.400 It's clear to me that Luzon Piker didn't just go vacation in Cuba. He went with the COVID pink, the code pink people to meet with a brutal, brutal dictator. 0.67
00:23:20.820 And exactly this question, which has been brought, I think, very much to the fore by my good friend, former current congressman, Anna Polina Luna, we have an extraordinary amount of foreign, I would say, influence here in the United States. 0.52
00:23:41.160 The foreign FARA Act is not really being fully, I think, employed.
00:23:49.740 There's a lot of disinformation online, and we need to know if there are foreign powers that are financing a lot of this.
00:23:58.480 Do you not agree?
00:23:59.300 Absolutely. 0.58
00:23:59.740 And right at the front and center of all this is communist China, influencing United States policy on a number of fronts, 0.94
00:24:09.240 using its massive amounts of currency to come in here and buy up American land, 0.90
00:24:13.560 But also to come in here, and China is at the center of this baby mill controversy where they're sending Chinese citizens over to have babies in the United States, and they have instant citizenship.
00:24:24.880 Now we have what we're seeing is Chinese financiers spending money to undermine the Trump administration's foreign policy.
00:24:33.580 And in this case, with regard to this Piker, this Hassan Piker, he and Code Pink claim to have given $20 million in humanitarian aid.
00:24:44.140 It turns out that that humanitarian aid largely appears to have come from this one Neville Roy Singham, who is a billionaire living in China who has underwritten all types of leftist causes.
00:24:57.140 So he's basically underwritten their trip that is Code Pink and Hassan Piker's trip.
00:25:04.640 They've used that as an opportunity, using this foreign money as an opportunity to lobby against the Trump administration's foreign policy with Cuba.
00:25:12.500 That would have required him to register as a foreign agent, which he hasn't done. 0.61
00:25:16.020 But it is an integral interconnection between the biggest communist government on the face of the earth and a dumb, although very popular, leftist Twitter star or social media star being – gladly allowing himself to be used as a pawn for the Chinese government. 0.63
00:25:34.960 We see it with Chinese infiltration. 0.85
00:25:36.720 We're seeing it with radical Islamic infiltration, and I'm hoping that the president is going to continue to crack down there.
00:25:41.640 I want to see the federal government declare certain organizations such as the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization. 0.99
00:25:47.140 It hasn't happened yet, but they're coming in. 0.84
00:25:50.000 Radical Islam and the communists are really coming in hard, and they're coming in through the dark channels. 0.88
00:25:56.540 And I'm glad to see, in this case, the Treasury Department, the Trump administration, at least drawing a line in the sand on this particular act. 0.94
00:26:02.580 You raise a very good point.
00:26:04.060 The Cuban sanctions weren't invented by Donald Trump.
00:26:06.760 They started under President Eisenhower.
00:26:08.580 They're actually made more comprehensive under President John F. Kennedy, and they've been enforced by every Democrat and Republican president since that time, including Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden.
00:26:21.740 Now, some people argue that economic involvement in Cuba would help bring democracy there.
00:26:26.800 What they don't understand is under Cuban law, American companies are not allowed to pardon with individual Cuban citizens or Cuban companies.
00:26:35.940 If you do business in Cuba, you're doing business with the government.
00:26:41.600 They are taking American dollars or foreign money while they're paying their own workers' pesos.
00:26:48.560 And they're using that money essentially to rebolster the power of the authoritarian regime and for the surveillance state, which is, you know, very much in control.
00:27:00.660 There are no civil liberties in Cuba, which is why those who oppose the sanctions and the embargo really don't understand why they have actually been extraordinarily effective.
00:27:12.320 This fellow, Hassan Piker, recently admitted on a live stream that the real villain here is this fellow, Neville Rowan Singer, a billionaire Marxist living in Shanghai, who's a major funder of Code Pink and a whole network of other radical groups.
00:27:29.600 When someone like Hassan is forced to register as a foreign agent under FARA, maybe we'll finally figure out who is financing this kind of activity.
00:27:39.520 Hassan has a long history of extremely anti-American statements, as you know, including claiming, as you point out, America deserved 9-11 and calling for the destruction of the American empire.
00:27:50.740 How dangerous is this kind of influence on millions of young Americans with no disclosure of who's actually paying for this messaging?
00:27:57.980 It's extremely dangerous, and it's become dangerous that in our education system, we no longer are teaching American exceptionalism.
00:28:07.780 That has got to change. 0.73
00:28:09.200 In public schools, Christian schools, private schools, parochial schools, Jewish schools, we've got to start teaching American exceptionalism.
00:28:15.800 When I was growing up, Roger, and we're close in the same age range, we understood that communism was bad, that communists killed more people than anybody in the world.
00:28:23.800 Now what we're seeing is the educational system glorifying socialism.
00:28:27.060 And so you have this Hassan Piker who speaks out against American government policy with regard to Cuba but fails to condemn the Cuban government, which is one of the most oppressive governments in the world against its own people.
00:28:40.720 And so it is extremely dangerous because you risk losing a generation.
00:28:44.680 And we've got to get – and I appreciate you coming on the air every day on the Stone Zone and trying to set the record straight.
00:28:49.760 We've got to get the truth back out so that our younger people understand that there are forces of evil out there that are against freedom. 0.74
00:28:55.600 And when you're looking at socialism, communism, and Sharia law, those are the three big ones right there, and they are pure and unadulterated evil.
00:29:02.440 So it's a dangerous thing. 0.97
00:29:04.240 Yeah, I'm not sure all Americans understand the extraordinary true story of how the regime came about.
00:29:10.420 But the New York Times particularly created this narrative of Fidel Castro as some kind of modern-day Robin Hood, the Abraham Lincoln of his country, an agrarian reformer.
00:29:25.600 It's interesting that when he finally overthrew power and Batista fell, he demanded a meeting with President Dwight Eisenhower. Eisenhower refused to meet with Castro because he knew it would give him legitimacy. So he asked Vice President Richard Nixon to meet with him and size him up.
00:29:43.920 Nixon met with Fidel Castro in his U.S. Senate office, because, of course, he acts as the
00:29:50.280 president of the Senate in a formal capacity. They met for almost four hours. Nixon then reported
00:29:56.100 to President Eisenhower what the New York Times did not realize, that Fidel Castro was a dangerous
00:30:01.560 communist, a Marxist, and would ultimately be a dictator. Nixon, of course, turned out to be
00:30:07.020 right about that. Interestingly enough, President Nixon's son-in-law, good friend of mine, Ed Cox,
00:30:12.340 who today serves as chairman of the New York Republican Committee, many decades later would visit Cuba and have a meeting with Fidel Castro.
00:30:21.240 And the first question Castro asked him was, how did your father-in-law know I was a communist?
00:30:26.980 So the entire media narrative of Castro and his regime is propped up by by people like Jesse Ventura, for example, the former governor of Minnesota, who still somehow reveals Castro is some kind of small D Democrat and some kind of hero. 0.60
00:30:48.720 It's really shocking. I don't think people realize the extensive brutality of the current Cuban regime.
00:30:54.800 Right. And you used that word as spot-on mark, brutality. The communist regime, starting under Castro for many decades before it went to Raul and now to this guy, is a regime that brutalizes its people, that kills its people, that there's no due process, that starves its people to death.
00:31:11.840 They lived like kings themselves, as most communist dictators do, but they suppressed the population. 0.57
00:31:19.000 And President Nixon certainly had a brilliant instinct to size up communists for sure, maybe more than any president in history as far as that goes.
00:31:27.920 Even as vice president, he was spot on.
00:31:29.880 But the other thing to remember, you're correct, it was President Eisenhower who started the sanctions.
00:31:33.880 But the sanctions that Eisenhower started were not the full-blown sanctions that came under the Kennedy administration.
00:31:39.760 Eisenhower was initially, during the Batista regime, was doing some blocking of arms shipments and things like that.
00:31:46.680 But the full-on economic blockade against Cuba came under John F. Kennedy very clearly in relation to the Bay of Pigs, and it's remained there through every Democrat president.
00:31:58.500 And part of the problem is these Jesse Ventura types and this Hassan Packer type, they are criticizing Trump.
00:32:04.860 They look as an excuse to go after the Trump administration when Democrat administrations have been in lockstep for the most part against economic sanctions against this brutal regime.
00:32:15.460 The one exception that you mentioned was Obama who loosened some travel restrictions to a degree, but the principal economic sanctions remain.
00:32:24.400 So this isn't something new.
00:32:26.340 But what is unfortunate is you've got a generation that doesn't fully understand because we've got to do a better job of getting the truth out on the history.
00:32:33.540 And you've done a very good job just in the last few minutes of giving a little bit of history on the fall of the Batista regime and what happened when Castro came on board and what a brutal dictator he's been and what a brutal regime this has been.
00:32:44.980 All right.
00:32:45.820 We're going to come back with more of John Brown.
00:32:48.100 When we return, I want to talk more about the epic role of communist China, because I really think communist China is the greatest single threat to the United States today.
00:32:57.940 Those who want to keep talking about Russia, Russia, Russia, I think that's a false narrative.
00:33:03.540 The extent to which China has infiltrated every aspect of American society is shocking to me.
00:33:09.820 We're going to talk about with Don Brown, the former federal prosecutor, former Navy JAV officer, 0.70
00:33:15.220 and one of the men I respect more in the entire country in terms of his both knowledge and his truth telling.
00:33:21.300 We'll be right back in The Stone Zone on the other side.
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00:34:24.960 Don Brown is a former U.S. federal prosecutor, a Navy JAG officer, and Pentagon counsel.
00:34:30.980 He's also an extraordinary author.
00:34:32.900 He's written a great book, Kangaroo Court, a lot about this book, about the witch hunt that my family and I went through.
00:34:40.020 He's a man for whom I have enormous respect and the greatest esteem as a geopolitical analyst and an expert on national security.
00:34:50.640 Look, I have relatives who died in Budapest in 1956, were mowed down by Russian tanks.
00:34:58.480 So I have no great love for Russia.
00:35:01.680 And the idea that I was a Russian intelligence asset was, of course, a joke.
00:35:06.720 But I think the greatest single danger to the country today, Don, is not Russia, although I don't approve of their form of government.
00:35:16.060 And they, too, are a dictatorship.
00:35:17.860 but China is far more aggressive to me as a danger to this country. 0.81
00:35:22.720 Do you agree with that analysis? 0.95
00:35:24.600 1,000%.
00:35:25.400 I wrote a military thriller about 10 years ago called Fire the Raging Dragon
00:35:30.360 before Xi became president.
00:35:32.100 And it's interesting, it was about a Chinese dictator who became president
00:35:35.620 and suddenly wanted to expand Chinese naval power and influence around the world.
00:35:39.780 There was a time just a few years ago the Chinese did not have an aircraft carrier.
00:35:44.020 They bought one from Ukraine.
00:35:45.700 Now they have three.
00:35:46.580 The Chinese Navy, the Plan of the People's Liberation Army Navy, they call it, is the largest Navy in the world.
00:35:52.000 They've got over 400 ships.
00:35:53.460 The United States Navy is at about 271.
00:35:55.660 I've written on this several times in op-eds the last few weeks, as a matter of fact.
00:36:00.600 The Trump administration realizes this emergency.
00:36:03.820 They're doing everything they can to try to accelerate shipbuilding.
00:36:07.000 The Trump administration relieved the original Secretary of the Navy, Mr. Frady, over concerns in part that we aren't catching up fast enough.
00:36:14.300 Roger, I don't know if you know this.
00:36:15.740 We were building about seven ships a week in World War II, almost a ship a day.
00:36:20.500 A lot of those were Liberty ships.
00:36:21.800 Now, on the average, it takes the United States about five years to build a ship.
00:36:25.780 China has a 200 to 1 shipbuilding capacity over us.
00:36:30.220 Then on top of that, during the 12 disastrous years of Obama and then Biden, especially during the Obama years, we got behind them in cybersecurity.
00:36:38.500 We got behind them hypermissile technology.
00:36:41.280 And you now have a dictator who wants to flex his muscle.
00:36:44.200 He wants to use Chinese naval forces to take control.
00:36:47.220 They want to control the Straits of Malacca.
00:36:48.940 They want to control the Taiwan Straits.
00:36:50.780 These are valuable and incredible choke points for commercial shipping and oil shipping around the world.
00:36:56.100 It is a real problem.
00:36:57.480 And the Russians, the Soviet, you were talking about what happened in Hungary and the massacre that the Soviets had committed.
00:37:04.620 The Soviet Union has busted up. 0.77
00:37:06.420 Russia is certainly dangerous.
00:37:08.120 But when you're looking at it in terms of geopolitical ambitions, it is clear that communist China is the is the one major communist superpower that has geopolitical ambitions all over the world.
00:37:21.200 You know, they've been they've been in Argentina. They've been in, you know, in Antarctica.
00:37:26.260 They've been in Venezuela. And so kicking out Maduro had a double positive effect there.
00:37:32.400 But they are a threat and we have got to wake up. We've got to restore our shipbuilding.
00:37:36.620 And we've got to get our, you know, part of the problem also was when we gave away the entire house and NAFTA, you know, I was campaigning for the U.S. Senate, as you know, Roger would go to parts of North Carolina.
00:37:45.720 I'd go to Lenore and Hickory, and I'd ask what happened to our furniture industry, gone with the wind.
00:37:51.140 In Cabarrus County, just north of Charlotte, all around here, we had the largest textile industry.
00:37:55.200 What happened to textile?
00:37:56.280 But what's happened to shipbuilding?
00:37:57.500 And we've got some stuff that are very, very dangerous to the survival of the republic that most people aren't looking at.
00:38:03.040 And China is the biggest threat, in my opinion. 0.61
00:38:04.940 And we have other threats, but they are the biggest, and I think you're on mark there. 0.95
00:38:08.200 Yeah, my greatest concern, of course, is the vast amount of American real estate that they bought.
00:38:12.600 Prime ranch land, farmland.
00:38:15.140 But it's more than that.
00:38:16.140 It's harbors, it's airports, it's toll roads.
00:38:19.840 This should be illegal.
00:38:20.880 In Canada, you have to be a Canadian citizen in order to buy real estate of any kind.
00:38:26.820 We talk about it here. 1.00
00:38:28.040 we talk about barring the Chinese or those fronting for them from buying real estate in 0.92
00:38:33.540 the United States, prime real estate, but then we don't really do it. Governor Ron DeSantis passed a
00:38:38.940 bill that theoretically prohibited the Chinese from buying land in Florida. But when you read
00:38:44.580 the small print, what it really does is it just restricts them from buying land that is contiguous
00:38:50.740 to a national security site. Of course, that term is not defined under Florida state law.
00:38:57.620 So I'm not even sure what that means. 1.00
00:38:59.300 We have to get serious about the Chinese threat. 1.00
00:39:01.460 I want to thank our friend Don Brown for joining us today. 1.00
00:39:03.780 I also recommend one more time his great book, Kangaroo Court.
00:39:07.840 I urge you to find it online.
00:39:09.400 It is a banger, as they say.
00:39:11.920 Don, thank you for joining us on The Stone Zone.
00:39:14.120 To our audience, thank you for joining us today, and God bless you.
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