The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:05.840 Welcome. You are entering the Stone Zone.

00:00:08.640 Well, we've got a full-blown Twitter war, X war,

00:00:14.660 between Elon Musk and President Donald Trump.

00:00:19.360 Look, I think Musk is a great patriot.

00:00:22.180 And when he bought Twitter and turned it into X,

00:00:25.200 the largest free speech site in the country,

00:00:30.200 he put a big target on his back.

00:00:32.060 Suddenly, he found that his previously liberal friends

00:00:35.500 were investigating all nine of his companies,

00:00:38.480 and he came to the conclusion that they would destroy his companies

00:00:43.220 and probably send him to jail.

00:00:44.860 It was then that he decided to give his financial and personal support

00:00:49.940 and efforts to Donald Trump, and I think he did help us win the election.

00:00:53.940 I think he's done an amazing job at Doge,

00:00:58.640 ferreting out not millions, not billions, but trillions of dollars.

00:01:05.180 But he decides he doesn't like the Big Beautiful Bill,

00:01:09.000 but that's not really what he's mad about.

00:01:11.340 He's right about the Big Beautiful Bill not having enough spending reduction,

00:01:16.020 but a budget rescission bill, just structurally,

00:01:19.660 I worked in the House of Representatives for Congressman Bob Steele of Connecticut,

00:01:24.360 is not the place to do that.

00:01:27.020 That would be in a rescission bill.

00:01:29.140 Stephen Miller has a rescission bill going up to the Congress

00:01:32.040 that will cut $98.4 billion.

00:01:35.700 So that's not really what he's mad at.

00:01:40.020 But this insane attack on Trump saying Trump is in the Twitter files,

00:01:45.480 that's why he's not releasing them, is categorically false.

00:01:49.540 Trump was on Epstein's plane one time, that is publicly recorded,

00:01:54.520 with him was Marla Maples and his daughter Tiffany.

00:01:57.220 They went from New York to Palm Beach and back on a weekend,

00:01:59.880 at the time that Trump's plane was in the shop.

00:02:03.400 Trump never visited his palatial apartment in,

00:02:07.960 probably a palatial townhome in Manhattan like Steve Bannon did.

00:02:11.760 He didn't visit his ranch in New Mexico.

00:02:19.560 The one and only time Trump was in Epstein's home in Palm Beach,

00:02:28.000 according to Virginia Giffray, one of the Epstein victims,

00:02:32.620 in her sworn testimony, it was a cocktail reception for a charity,

00:02:37.080 and that Trump was a perfect gentleman,

00:02:39.620 and she witnessed no inappropriate activity by Trump.

00:02:44.480 This is the one and only time Trump is in Epstein's home.

00:02:50.440 He barred Epstein prior to Epstein being charged with a sex crime.

00:02:55.880 So Trump learned of Epstein making an inappropriate advance

00:03:00.780 on a young girl who worked in a spa at the Mar-a-Lago Club,

00:03:04.960 and he had security bar him from the site for a permanent ban.

00:03:11.840 He was barred from all Trump properties.

00:03:14.780 This was prior to his being exposed and charged in Florida for sex crimes.

00:03:21.120 The police chief, who does a six-month undercover investigation,

00:03:26.060 gives the state prosecutor a case for the sex trafficking

00:03:29.820 and statutory rape of 33 children.

00:03:33.380 But the sheriff, probably the prosecutor, under pressure from Alan Dershowitz and Gerald Lefkort

00:03:42.060 and Leon Black and the other high-priced lawyers, Jeffrey Epstein,

00:03:46.240 they reduced that to one count of solicitation.

00:03:50.680 So Epstein gets a pass that I think is due to his connections with the intelligence agencies.

00:04:02.520 We'll talk about that.

00:04:03.440 But I want to bring in David Schoen, criminal defense attorney.

00:04:08.040 He was retained by Jeffrey Epstein nine days before Epstein's death.

00:04:13.140 David and I agree that we think it is unlikely, based on the medical examination by Dr. Michael Badden,

00:04:21.140 the longtime respected New York medical examiner,

00:04:26.060 that Epstein committed suicide with all due respect to Kash Patel.

00:04:31.540 But David discussed some of these matters with his client.

00:04:34.980 David, welcome to The Stone Zone.

00:04:37.760 Thank you very much.

00:04:39.760 So this canard of Trump and Epstein, this was concocted by the Clintons,

00:04:46.540 because, you see, the Clintons continued to not only socialize,

00:04:50.280 but take millions of dollars from Epstein after he was convicted in Florida of a sex crime.

00:04:55.580 And they continued to socialize with him.

00:04:57.720 Bill was on the Lolita Express 23 times, according to the FAA manifest.

00:05:02.980 I believe he visited the island just based on the documents in the various lawsuits of Epstein's victims.

00:05:09.840 I would say Bill was on the island at least 17 times.

00:05:15.160 It was Epstein who provided the seed capital for the Clinton Foundation.

00:05:20.220 But they have continued to spread this myth that Trump is the one that has vulnerabilities

00:05:24.620 through his relationship with Epstein.

00:05:26.620 Can you speak to this, David?

00:05:29.780 Yes, it's absolutely untrue.

00:05:31.740 I know it for a fact.

00:05:33.320 I discussed it with Mr. Epstein.

00:05:35.500 Let me make something clear.

00:05:36.620 You know, I posted on X or Twitter, whatever it's called, last night to set the record straight on this.

00:05:43.240 A number of people wrote in saying, oh, he is violating attorney-client privilege.

00:05:47.400 I can assure you I have not and never would and never have violated attorney-client privilege.

00:05:52.780 This is an important point to Mr. Epstein.

00:05:54.520 He didn't like it when people were falsely accused of being involved with him in illegal, improper activities and so on.

00:06:03.080 I specifically asked him about President Trump.

00:06:05.760 And remember, this is at a time when it would have been in his best interest to implicate as many people as he could have,

00:06:12.260 especially big shots, if he were inclined to go that way.

00:06:14.760 And I had, you know, very frank and candid discussions with him, as I had to have in preparing his case.

00:06:21.920 But today comes shocking news.

00:06:25.080 Kash Patel says in an interview that they have no videos whatsoever of Jeffrey Epstein or any of his associates committing a crime.

00:06:34.640 Now, we know for an absolute certainty, because we saw it with our own eyes, that they left his New York, his palatial home in New York.

00:06:42.480 It's the single most expensive single family home in Manhattan with boxes and boxes of DVDs and hard drives.

00:06:52.260 Also true of the Raiders Palm Beach home.

00:06:55.180 Who knows what they grabbed at the island?

00:06:59.260 Where are those records?

00:07:00.360 I think what Kash Patel is telling us is they have been destroyed, which is what I believe.

00:07:05.400 We have a cover up here.

00:07:06.740 His death is a cover up.

00:07:08.100 His murder, in my opinion, is a cover up.

00:07:10.640 Why?

00:07:11.280 Well, because I think it was Alex Acosta, the prosecutor who gave him a slap on the wrist when, again, when he was appointed labor secretary,

00:07:19.660 and he's preparing for a Senate confirmation, a lawyer I know says to him, who's helping him, says to him,

00:07:26.120 what are you going to say if they ask you why you gave Epstein a slap on the wrist?

00:07:30.860 He says, well, I'm going to tell the truth, that he worked for the CIA, that the CIA director came to me and said, he's one of ours.

00:07:38.060 We just want you to seal this case, which they did.

00:07:40.660 The Epstein case was sealed for many years.

00:07:43.440 The Palm Beach Post went to court to ultimately get these records unsealed.

00:07:52.080 What did we learn?

00:07:53.260 Epstein gets an 18-month sentence, but he's the only prisoner in the state of Florida who's allowed to serve his sentence in the county jail,

00:08:04.900 in the air-conditioned brand-new wing.

00:08:06.800 He only has to be, quote-unquote, in jail from 10 at night until 6 in the morning.

00:08:15.500 Otherwise, he's free to go.

00:08:17.820 The sheriff's office is driving around like a security detail, and he only serves 15 of his 18-month sentences.

00:08:26.380 He goes right back to running his international sex trafficking and child abuse networks.

00:08:31.920 And my guess is that that tells you the story.

00:08:37.620 I believe Epstein, David, was an equal-opportunity blackmailer.

00:08:43.780 He worked for the CIA, as we know.

00:08:47.400 I believe he probably worked for the Mossad and the Saudis as well.

00:08:51.640 His entire story is improbable.

00:08:54.700 He did not make his money.

00:08:57.080 He has no hedge fund.

00:08:58.780 So he goes from being an impoverished math teacher in Manhattan to being a billionaire by blackmailing people out of their money.

00:09:10.660 I believe I would have won Jeffrey Epstein's case at trial.

00:09:14.020 I believe I would have won it in pre-trial motions.

00:09:16.900 If I didn't win it in pre-trial motions, I would have won it at trial.

00:09:20.140 Well, and that was my role in the case, was to represent him, and I knew his case pretty well.

00:09:27.820 Well, look, this is a very key point.

00:09:30.780 In America, everybody is entitled to both have a good lawyer and a fair trial.

00:09:36.920 Both are very hard to get, I might add.

00:09:39.840 So, and David, everybody's entitled to stout legal defense.

00:09:47.660 But I see this greater issue, and we're going to talk to Jack Posobiec from Human Events about this.

00:09:55.140 This is the split in MAGO, and it causes some split, is not helpful.

00:10:00.400 Steve Bannon's saying, Elon Musk, we should deport him.

00:10:05.400 Well, first of all, he's a U.S. citizen, so he can't be deported.

00:10:08.040 And secondarily, he says we should, the government should seize his companies.

00:10:13.260 That's what we call communism.

00:10:15.760 That's what Castro did.

00:10:18.800 So I guess Steve is desperate for the cliques.

00:10:21.900 I'm not happy that Elon Musk decided to air the family laundry in public.

00:10:30.240 And again, he tells us this is about the big, beautiful bill,

00:10:34.000 but it's not clear that it isn't about these other issues.

00:10:38.040 Well, I think he had some sense of frustration.

00:10:42.380 But I hope he and Trump can put it back together because it was a winning combination.

00:10:50.640 I mean, I do think that he helped us win.

00:10:53.700 I also think he's doing a great service on X, formerly known as Twitter.

00:10:58.100 By the way, you can find me at Roger J. Stone, Jr., Roger J. Stone, Jr.

00:11:03.500 Until yesterday, David Schoen, attorney at law, had never posted on his Twitter profile.

00:11:10.140 How did your first post do, David?

00:11:14.200 First post seems to have done pretty well.

00:11:15.880 It looks like it shows seven and a half million views and 107,000 likes.

00:11:20.200 But let me say this, Roger.

00:11:21.960 I don't believe there's any person in this country who knows and understands more about politics and the American political scene,

00:11:28.720 maybe others, better than you do or as well as you do even.

00:11:32.680 So you have a much greater sense of all of these broader issues than I do.

00:11:36.700 What was important to me and the reason I decided to post this time is I don't like to see anyone falsely accused.

00:11:42.600 And it's an important matter when it's the president of the United States.

00:11:46.500 And I don't know that Elon Musk is accusing President Trump of having done something wrong.

00:11:50.980 He said that he appears in the files.

00:11:52.800 That's why the files were presented.

00:11:54.500 I don't have any idea what's in any files.

00:11:57.000 I know what the truth is in this case.

00:11:59.240 I know that Jeffrey Epstein confided in me fully, and I know that I asked him specifically about this subject,

00:12:05.280 and he assured me that he had no bad information about Donald Trump whatsoever

00:12:09.660 at a time in which it would have behooved him to have had and to have used bad information if he had it.

00:12:15.860 Yeah, I'm in complete agreement.

00:12:20.720 But again, the left jumps on this now.

00:12:24.380 Strangely enough, the Democrats are jumping up and down, saying that the Epstein files should be released.

00:12:30.960 I think they should be, but I think what Cash Patel is telling us is that most of the material is missing.

00:12:36.520 Epstein's telephone book, the so-called Little Black Book, was published in my book,

00:12:42.080 The Clinton's War on Women, in 2015.

00:12:45.060 It was initially published by Gawker.

00:12:48.280 Nick Bryant, who's a brilliant investigative reporter, was the first reporter to uncover the Epstein scandal,

00:12:55.140 but he was a freelancer, and he went to all of the big magazines and newspapers of the day,

00:12:59.980 and nobody would touch this incendiary story until Gawker finally broke the story.

00:13:06.660 We learned who Jeffrey Epstein was.

00:13:08.740 And then between the time that Epstein served his 15 months of soft time for his state crime,

00:13:18.040 and when he was asked whether his crime was serious of molesting children,

00:13:22.520 he said,

00:13:22.900 Between that time and the time he ultimately gets charged federally,

00:13:30.940 it's only because of a reporter named Julie K. Brown with the Miami Herald.

00:13:35.960 She is dogged.

00:13:37.120 She knows that justice has not been done in this case, and she is dogged in breaking it open.

00:13:42.220 And her stunning series of stories on Epstein are what finally drive federal prosecutors to grab Epstein.

00:13:49.500 They didn't raid his home like they did with me.

00:13:52.240 They came up to him in public.

00:13:54.180 They even let the two nice FBI agents let them put a coat over his handcuffs,

00:13:59.300 very different than the way they treated me and my wife.

00:14:03.760 So this is a misfire by Elon, and I hope he will get back focused on free speech again.

00:14:16.660 If I can make one more quick point.

00:14:18.640 Certainly.

00:14:19.780 If I can make one more quick point.

00:14:21.240 You have 22 seconds.

00:14:22.320 It's important for all of your listeners, all your listeners to keep in mind.

00:14:26.060 As you say, there was this book.

00:14:27.840 Many names appear in the book who did absolutely nothing wrong with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:14:31.760 Absolutely.

00:14:32.440 So when someone says this name is in a file, it's important.

00:14:34.940 I met with him several months before he was dead in order for him to ask me if I would take over all of his litigation.

00:14:41.560 He had fine lawyers at the time.

00:14:42.960 I wasn't sure I wanted to.

00:14:44.040 At that time, when I went to his house, I met with a former prime minister at his house.

00:14:48.400 He had a picture of Bill Gates with a dollar bill in it.

00:14:51.080 I asked, what's that about?

00:14:52.240 He said he made a bet with Bill Gates.

00:14:53.720 What was he going to bet him?

00:14:54.720 So he bet him a dollar.

00:14:55.740 He knew a lot of prominent people.

00:14:57.560 All of those people loved being around him, wanted to be around him.

00:15:00.620 All of a sudden, they all, you know, never heard of him, never knew anything about him.

00:15:04.400 All of that is true.

00:15:06.000 All right.

00:15:06.240 We've got to go to a break.

00:15:07.940 You're in the Stone Zone.

00:15:09.100 Thanks to our guest, David Schoen.

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00:16:08.020 Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is certainly fulfilling his promise that he made when he's appointed Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services wisely and surgically taking measures that prevent big agriculture and big pharma from dictating the public health policy in the United States.

00:16:25.880 RFK Jr. recently told Centers of Zine Control and Prevention to stop recommending the COVID-19 vaccination for newborns and for pregnant women, a decision that enraged the traditional health officials and media talking heads who are all beholden to the giant pharmaceutical corporations.

00:16:47.780 Last year, the Biden administration urged healthy children to get another COVID shot, despite the lack of any clinical data to support the repeat booster strategy in children, Kennedy said in a video address.

00:17:01.420 The evidence really backs up RFK's decision.

00:17:05.240 Pfizer's own clinical trials demonstrated that the COVID shots were linked to an increase in preterm births and miscarriages.

00:17:11.780 Pfizer's report on pregnancy and lactation also showed the vaccine adversely affected babies during the nursing process, showing an increase of endema, vomiting, fever, and other issues.

00:17:28.040 So I think Trump is, pardon me, Kennedy has been very, very wise.

00:17:32.640 He's also gone after toxic food additives that are being banned in most of the countries in Europe,

00:17:38.620 but are, strangely enough, regularly found in the food supply here in the United States.

00:17:43.700 The Food and Drug Administration under RFK has ordered the removal of red dye number three, citrus red dye number 20, orange B from the national food supply.

00:17:54.780 They're also moving to ban red dye 40, blue dye one, blue dye two, green number three, green number five, yellow number six.

00:18:03.720 These all are tied, all these substances are tied to health conditions, including diabetes, cancer, obesity, ADHD, gastrointestinal problems.

00:18:15.700 If you buy a Fruit Loop in France, they don't have these chemicals, but if you buy them at Gristides, they do.

00:18:24.340 So I think RFK is the standout.

00:18:28.320 Coming up, I have Jack Posobiec, the senior editor at the Human Events, going to tell us what he thinks of the Trump-Musk tiff.

00:18:39.500 Don't go away.

00:18:40.740 We'll be right back.

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00:18:54.340 Welcome back.

00:19:01.020 We're in the Stone Zone again, and joining me now, direct from Poland, is the senior editor of Human Events, Navy intelligence officer, a proud Catholic, a MAGA patriot, also a New York Times bestselling author, Jack Posobiec.

00:19:21.540 Jack, welcome to the Stone Zone.

00:19:23.020 Roger, thanks so much for having me on.

00:19:26.840 So I have to ask you off the top, how was Poland?

00:19:30.680 You know, the Polish make their stuffed cabbage slightly different than the Hungarians, but it's actually still quite good.

00:19:37.560 How was your trip?

00:19:39.060 I had a lot of glumki, or as my parents call it, pigs in a blanket in English, on our way home.

00:19:47.840 And what can I say, Roger, an incredible nail-biter of a victory come from behind when being over there at this CPAC Poland, which sort of acted as a de facto political rally for the conservatives there in Poland, in southeastern Poland, right on the border with Ukraine, which, funny enough, actually is the area of Poland where my family, the Posobiec family, actually hails from.

00:20:15.280 It is, in fact, this will come as no shock to anyone, the most rock-ribbed, hardcore Catholic conservative part of all of Poland. 0.60

00:20:25.160 So, you know, big shocker that that's where the Posobiec family is from.

00:20:29.480 And a one-point victory for the conservative campaigning hard on issues of Ukraine, issues of immigration, border security, and having the support and de facto endorsement of President Donald J. Trump.

00:20:49.080 This carries a lot of weight in Poland, and it's a tremendous victory, one by which will absolutely be a huge victory, not only for all those things, but also for the pro-life movement, because the liberals in the Polish parliament have been trying to legalize abortion in Poland.

00:21:06.920 And this will put a stop to all of that.

00:21:10.380 It's very exciting.

00:21:11.520 Look, I think nationalism is beginning to sweep Europe.

00:21:15.300 They had to cancel the elections in Romania when the conservative candidate won.

00:21:21.340 You have Maloney, who shifted back to the right now that she has Trump as a reliable ally.

00:21:27.700 I liked her initially, then she started to suck up to the globalists, because I think perhaps she thought Joe Biden was going to get re-elected.

00:21:36.340 And then with Trump's election, she has gone back to her roots, which I certainly like.

00:21:41.200 You have Hungary, which is a beacon of freedom for all of Eastern Europe.

00:21:47.080 And you have all of these.

00:21:50.620 The French, they had to throw our candidate in jail because they're going to lose. 1.00

00:21:54.420 People are tired of unregulated, uncontrolled immigration.

00:22:00.900 It has destroyed every one of these countries.

00:22:02.740 It has not destroyed Poland.

00:22:04.280 It has not destroyed Romania.

00:22:06.340 Why?

00:22:07.100 Because they have never allowed it.

00:22:10.200 Well, Roger, that's exactly right.

00:22:11.720 And actually, when I went over to CPAC Hungary, I had the honor of being invited to sit down with Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

00:22:20.700 And he had a lot of conversations and a lot of things to say about this, specifically on the question of mass immigration.

00:22:29.780 He talked about the problems that have been going on in Germany, the problems that have been going on in France.

00:22:37.720 And, Roger, I have to say, by the way, on the way home, we stopped.

00:22:41.100 We had a long layover, basically a day-long layover in Paris.

00:22:44.700 I wanted to take my children to see the Notre Dame after it had been reopened.

00:22:48.540 It was an incredible experience.

00:22:50.980 But that very night that we were in Paris, these mass riots kicked off.

00:22:55.760 It was precipitated by a win in the soccer championship for the Parisian city team.

00:23:05.500 And yet the migrants came out in full force and started setting fire to the city. 1.00

00:23:11.600 Hundreds of people were arrested.

00:23:13.360 I had to grab my wife and my children and say, this is a bad situation.

00:23:18.100 We need to get back inside as soon as possible because we saw it, Roger.

00:23:22.640 We saw it going from Poland and Hungary and then to Paris.

00:23:25.800 The Notre Dame is beautiful.

00:23:27.660 But what they've done in terms of this migrant crisis, Paris is not Paris anymore.

00:23:32.380 President Trump is exactly correct on that.

00:23:34.400 And I just thank God that we were able to safely make it in and out in the midst of all these riots.

00:23:39.800 So, Jack, what do you make of the Elon Musk, Donald Trump tiff?

00:23:46.480 Is this really about insufficient spending cuts in the big, beautiful bill?

00:23:51.340 Or is it about something else?

00:23:53.920 Well, Roger, I think it seems to be very personal on the perspective of Elon Musk.

00:24:00.020 And I think that anyone reading this seems to think that it has a lot more to do.

00:24:05.240 Certainly the way he reacted is a bit more than just having a disagreement over spending.

00:24:10.640 And in fact, this bill isn't even a budget bill.

00:24:14.300 The budget bill comes up later in September.

00:24:16.160 In fact, this is the bill regarding deportations, regarding President Trump's agenda, regarding no tax on tips, regarding no tax on overtime.

00:24:24.780 This is an agenda bill.

00:24:26.380 It's not a budget bill.

00:24:27.420 And I certainly agree, by the way, that I would like to see a lot of the Doge Cots, all of the Doge Cots, really codified into law.

00:24:35.360 But clearly, I think there's a lot more going on.

00:24:38.180 And what I hear, there's a lot more going on behind the scenes.

00:24:41.300 One of the top issues, of course, being this easy tax credit being removed as part of the bill.

00:24:47.980 A huge blow to Tesla as a company, as well as Elon's pick for the NASA director, ultimately being removed from his potential appointment, his nomination going in, which, of course, would have been a huge leverage point for SpaceX as well.

00:25:06.120 Jared Isaacman, who the White House actually announced that he would be the NASA director.

00:25:12.840 And then it was pulled back when it was learned that he had given money to numerous Democrats, including Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, the senator from Georgia, Adam Schiff, and others.

00:25:29.100 So I think Elon's nose was out of joy about that.

00:25:33.400 He also, they rejected his bid to have the air traffic controllers across the country use Starlink in their technology.

00:25:42.920 I think he was miffed at that.

00:25:45.580 Look, I do think that he's done a tremendous service for his country.

00:25:49.340 When I met him at Mar-a-Lago, I said, you've done more for free speech than anyone in the history of the country other than the founding fathers themselves.

00:25:59.140 And I believe that to be true.

00:26:01.000 But that's what got a target on his back.

00:26:03.200 Remember, he flurried with supporting Ron DeSantis for president.

00:26:07.540 It was really only after the events of Butler, Pennsylvania, when he saw how desperate the deep state was, and he realized that if Trump lost, Elon Musk was most likely going to jail, and his companies would have been destroyed.

00:26:25.160 That's what Biden was seeking to do.

00:26:27.080 And this was the payback for not just buying Twitter, but releasing all the proof of government-sponsored censorship.

00:26:34.460 So he embarrassed the regime.

00:26:41.100 Roger, that's exactly right.

00:26:42.780 And we know that this was a situation where, of course, and look, I'm an incredible fan of the X platform.

00:26:50.680 I use it every single day.

00:26:51.900 And I think it's something that Elon Musk did years before the election that really created the conditions for President Trump to be able to return to the political sphere, because it was during that time that the truth about COVID was finally able to be told in a public dissemination, a public manner.

00:27:12.540 It was during that time that the truth about President Trump's lawfare was able to come to light.

00:27:18.180 They were going to put President Trump in jail for the rest of his life.

00:27:21.580 They tried in four different times in various states and locations to put him away and obviously tried to strip him from the ballot and even got to the point where they attempted to kill President Trump multiple times.

00:27:35.880 And so it obviously was a was a key effort by President Trump, Elon Musk and, of course, Bobby Kennedy and the Maha movement, which I think really gets discounted a lot when people tell the story of 2024.

00:27:47.580 Not by yourself, of course, Roger, but many people and certainly the media completely discount the fact of the Maha movement and the strength and the importance of Bobby Kennedy's endorsement crossing the line to the first time that Kennedy has ever really publicly endorsed a Republican in such a way and has and did so at just a seminal time for the United States of America.

00:28:11.440 And so certainly I, like many others, do hope that that there can be a way to mend this great schism.

00:28:18.780 I agree with that. I must tell you, I think when Steve Bannon says that we should deport him, if he's a U.S. citizen, you can't deport him.

00:28:26.440 And secondarily, the government should seize his companies or one of his companies.

00:28:30.540 That's what we call communism. I think that is an overreaction.

00:28:35.480 But look, he can be a powerful ally. He spent his own money to help Trump win.

00:28:39.520 I do think it has a positive impact. Would Trump have won without it? It's impossible to say.

00:28:45.900 But I think it is not good for the movement overall.

00:28:50.440 Let's talk for a moment about the tariff war.

00:28:56.260 The tariff war kind of got moved to the back burner here.

00:28:59.680 But how do you think the president is doing in his efforts to make our trading partners pay their fair share or to give us an even deal, I guess I should say?

00:29:09.780 Well, I think the president is doing very well.

00:29:12.700 And for folks who have been keeping score, even though it's not really in the headlines, and people say, oh, well, he walked back to 150 percent tariffs.

00:29:20.920 And I've seen a lot of people say they'll be very upset to say, oh, well, he had these tariffs and the formula wasn't using the proper tariff formula for the net balance of trade.

00:29:32.340 Look, the trade deficit is actually flipping for the first time ever in years in the United States on the back of the tariffs.

00:29:42.360 The Atlanta Fed is now forecasting an incredible explosive growth for the U.S. GDP in terms of Q2 in the United States.

00:29:51.840 And we currently still have tariffs that are, in some cases, 20 percent or more on these trading partners, including the additional tariffs that were labeled on to China.

00:30:06.480 This, of course, is also coming at the same time that the Chinese are begging President Trump for a meeting.

00:30:14.200 They're inviting him to Beijing.

00:30:15.540 They're doing everything they can to roll out the red carpet for the president.

00:30:19.220 And because, of course, China – and this has always been about China.

00:30:22.580 China has always been our biggest budget deficit.

00:30:25.140 China is my background.

00:30:26.800 I spent two years living there and working in trade between the U.S. and China.

00:30:33.880 And so this understanding that China's economy is so fragile because they are export-driven, and there's a lot of talk about China having an expanding middle class.

00:30:44.440 Now, they certainly do, but it is completely built on exports and the fact that we allow these cheap Chinese goods to flood into our market.

00:30:53.620 And this was, I think, foolishly – this most favored nation status was given by the previous – the original George Bush administration and the Clintons before them paving the way for all of this.

00:31:05.120 This was never meant to be part of the deal when Nixon went to China in the first place, as you of all people know, that we were never supposed to give them this most favored nation status.

00:31:14.740 But this was how the system of globalism was built.

00:31:17.680 And what President Trump is smartly doing is understanding that the system of globalism is crumbling, and it's crumbling on its own.

00:31:24.520 But so what he's going to do is put America in a position where we can benefit, we can be strengthened, and we don't have to have these global commitments the way that we have in the past and actually right the ship economically for the American people and the American manufacturer, who is usually the last when it comes to Wall Street's way of thinking.

00:31:46.560 I could not agree more.

00:31:49.620 I really do think that people need to recognize that there are three legs to Trump's economic stool.

00:31:55.420 It is first and foremost, it is a better tariff deals with all of our trading partners, an issue he's been talking all the way back to 1988 because he hated NAFTA, he hated GATT, he hated these one-size-fits-all trade deals that completely disadvantaged the United States.

00:32:13.600 And as the late, great Ross Perot said, sucked the jobs out of America.

00:32:20.240 But tax reduction is everybody's important.

00:32:22.800 I don't love this AI stuff that is in the big, beautiful bill that stops the states from restricting AI.

00:32:30.160 I think that's a bad idea.

00:32:31.620 As someone who can tell you there are hundreds of AI videos of me saying things I never said, this is extraordinarily dangerous.

00:32:40.600 I'm very concerned about it.

00:32:45.060 Roger, that's right.

00:32:46.120 And I suppose one of the messages that I've heard Stephen Miller and the White House put out regarding the AI piece of the bill is what they're really aiming at here, and perhaps this language can be tightened up,

00:32:59.540 but what they're really aiming at is blocking California, because most of these companies are based in California, blocking California from having control over all regulation of AI.

00:33:12.200 Basically, that China, they saw that Newsom was having some plans to be able to regulate AI at the state level, which, of course, would have been written by the companies themselves.

00:33:24.540 And so I can understand, perhaps, the considerations there, but would also want to make sure that the language is tightened up as much as possible.

00:33:32.520 I agree.

00:33:34.360 It is concerning.

00:33:36.400 But the good news here is that the Golden Dome funding is in there.

00:33:39.980 The Golden Dome, which we used to call the Strategic Defense Initiative under Reagan, the left mocked us by calling it Star Wars, but it's working in Israel, protects Israel from incoming missiles, could protect our country.

00:33:52.820 In some cases, the Congress has voted funding for parts of it, but still hasn't been built.

00:33:57.380 The one for the East Coast, they have never cited, should go to Fort Drum in upstate New York.

00:34:03.100 That makes the most sense, but they're dragging their feet.

00:34:06.460 I think that funding is also in the big, beautiful bill, not to mention the largest, the continuation of the largest tax cuts in American history.

00:34:15.860 It's not perfect.

00:34:17.240 Elon's not wrong about that, but it's good, and it's a start.

00:34:22.000 They have a $98.4 billion rescission bill going up to the House next week.

00:34:27.380 That's where the cutting actually needs to be done, and that is the third leg of the stool, cutting the wasteful spending, the fraud, the corruption, and so on.

00:34:37.020 We're going to be right back with Jack Posobiec.

00:34:39.020 You can follow him on X as Jack Posobiec, our original.

00:34:43.120 He's also at Human Events, where he is the senior editor.

00:34:46.740 We're going to be talking about the Trump administration, how Robert Kennedy is doing very specifically when we come back on the other side.

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00:35:46.580 We're back in the zone.

00:35:48.160 I'm talking to Jack Posobiec, the senior editor at Human Events.

00:35:52.740 Served his country with distinction as a naval intelligence officer.

00:35:56.220 He's a keen analyst of the political scene.

00:35:59.440 He has a unique set of sources.

00:36:01.900 He's a man who always seems to be one step ahead.

00:36:04.680 If you don't watch him at Human Events daily, I strongly recommend it to you.

00:36:09.240 Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., taking on big pharma and big agriculture.

00:36:15.060 This is not going to be an easy fight, but he's fulfilling what I wanted him to do.

00:36:19.380 This is what I voted for.

00:36:20.820 Jack, what do you think?

00:36:22.880 Roger, I think that's exactly right.

00:36:24.440 And I love just even, I think it was either today or yesterday, he announced this nutrition education mandate, these new plans for requiring American medical schools to offer nutrition courses.

00:36:36.900 And basically saying that all federal funding will be pulled.

00:36:40.800 And using that leverage, the same way we see President Trump doing with Harvard and others, he's now saying that your federal funding will be cut if you do not offer this nutrition education and these programs.

00:36:53.540 And these are really things that the federal government can be doing and should be doing, should have been doing all along rather than serving as a piggy bank for these universities.

00:37:04.680 I think we need to need a restructuring of the way the federal government's spending of our taxpayer dollars are done.

00:37:12.000 And the Maha movement is obviously one of the most important ways to do this.

00:37:16.440 I've said for quite some time that the Maha movement is actually the most politically popular movement in America today.

00:37:26.760 And I see this when I talk to my wife, who is not someone who's, you know, she knows about politics from being married to me, but she just doesn't follow politics on a regular basis the same way that news junkies like myself do.

00:37:39.440 But she is absolutely enamored with the Maha movement.

00:37:43.720 She was born in Eastern Europe, came to the United States, and has always asked questions.

00:37:48.580 What is wrong with your food?

00:37:50.000 What is wrong with your medicine?

00:37:52.060 And that's exactly the type of demographic that Bobby Kennedy is speaking to.

00:37:56.400 Politically, it makes the most sense.

00:37:57.920 And for America's health and America's nutrition, it makes the most sense.

00:38:00.800 Roger, you mentioned earlier that I just got back from Europe.

00:38:03.480 Europe has tons of issues, but they don't have the same type of health issues, the food issues, and the nutrition issues that the United States does.

00:38:12.260 And unfortunately, and your friend of mine, Tony Lyons, have been chatting about this a little bit as well.

00:38:18.400 And he made a point to me recently saying that, you know, we've done so much to make food cheaper and say that we're cutting costs in order to do so.

00:38:28.520 And that's why we've put chemicals in all of our food and why we have factory farms the way that we do.

00:38:33.700 But unfortunately, we're not actually saving any money because all of those costs then go into our increased health care bills, end-of-life spending, increases in health insurance that we have to pay because of chronic illness and chronic inflammation.

00:38:47.900 Something that, of course, Big Pharma is more than happy to keep going because it creates a financial incentive for them.

00:38:54.880 There we have it.

00:38:56.000 We have to wrap it there.

00:38:56.960 I want to thank my guest, Jack Pusobik with Human Events.

00:38:59.380 And thank you for tuning in to The Stone Zone until tomorrow.

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