The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


The Stone Zone ｜ 06-16-25


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Learn English with Donald Trump. President Trump delivers a speech on Iran and his vision for the future of the Middle East, and why he thinks the United States should join forces with Israel in a war with Iran. He also talks about his views on trade with China and other issues.


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00:00:39.380 It was 10 years ago today that President Donald Trump came down that golden escalator,
00:00:46.940 fulfilling a dream that I had pushed since 1988.
00:00:51.720 It was 1988 that I first recognized that Donald Trump had the stature.
00:00:56.880 I don't mean the height, but I mean the size, the stamina, the courage, the independence,
00:01:03.960 to be not just a great candidate for president, but to be a truly great president.
00:01:09.420 And in that, I have turned out to be absolutely right.
00:01:12.660 Just his perseverance, his persistence, his resilience in making the greatest comeback in American political history.
00:01:20.360 Winning the election in 2016, my opinion, being cheated out of victory in 2020 and bouncing back in 2024,
00:01:30.020 despite the very best efforts of the censors and those who utilized a lawfare in an effort not just to defeat him and derail his candidacy,
00:01:38.980 keep him off the ballot, but actually put him in prison, but now fulfilling his mandate to close our border.
00:01:47.560 Our border crossings, illegal border crossings down 98 percent to make much better trade deals with our trading partners
00:01:55.980 so that our trade agreements are mutually beneficial, not just beneficial to our partners,
00:02:02.700 cutting taxes and regulation in order to get our economy really moving,
00:02:08.400 plus his commitment to the movement to make America healthy again,
00:02:12.880 and the enormous power that he has granted to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to do that.
00:02:18.980 And now I'm satisfied that he is the one making decisions regarding the war in Iran.
00:02:29.500 It is extraordinary that we are at a place where there is enormous danger.
00:02:37.780 The president himself recognized immediately the danger of a nuclear Iran.
00:02:44.880 He's always been consistent about that.
00:02:46.720 And he gave them 60 days, and they, on the 61st day, he allowed Israel to launch its devastating attack.
00:02:58.760 Unfortunately, Iran has bounced back much faster than anybody expected.
00:03:05.600 Israel's Iron Dome has failed.
00:03:08.700 Israeli intelligence failed.
00:03:10.660 They were able to mount a counterattack using both missiles and drones.
00:03:15.800 And now it appears that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu really is beseeching America themselves to enter the war.
00:03:26.780 Listen to B.B. Netanyahu.
00:03:29.360 It's Tel Aviv.
00:03:30.060 Tomorrow it's New York.
00:03:31.820 Look, I understand America first.
00:03:33.740 I don't understand America dead.
00:03:35.720 That's what these people want.
00:03:37.000 They chant death to America.
00:03:38.480 So we're doing something that is in the service of mankind, of humanity, and it's a battle of good against evil.
00:03:45.820 America does, should, and does stand with the good.
00:03:48.920 That's what President Trump is doing.
00:03:51.420 And I deeply appreciate his support.
00:03:53.100 It is interesting that as soon as the devastation of the attack by Israel on Iran was known,
00:04:03.980 the President was immediately urging them to come back to the table.
00:04:08.920 The President, I think, recognizes that he has a mandate as a peacemaker.
00:04:13.580 He won as an anti-war candidate, as a peace candidate, but he has been just as resolute in saying that there are no circumstances
00:04:23.220 under which Iran can be allowed to have a nuclear bomb.
00:04:28.120 Nuclear capability in order to generate electricity, yes, but he has drawn a line in the sand regarding the bomb.
00:04:36.580 Still, he favors negotiation over confrontation.
00:04:41.800 On True Social yesterday, President Trump wrote,
00:04:44.300 Iran and Israel should make a deal, and we'll make a deal, just like I got India and Pakistan to make.
00:04:50.360 In that case, by using trade with the United States to bring reason, cohesion, and sanity into the talks
00:04:56.720 with two excellent leaders who were able to quickly make a decision and stop the escalation.
00:05:01.820 Also, during my first term, Serbia and Kosovo were going at it hot and heavy, as they have for many decades,
00:05:09.140 and this long-time conflict was ready to break into an all-out war.
00:05:13.260 I stopped it.
00:05:14.460 Biden has hurt the long-term prospects with some very stupid decisions, but I will fix it again.
00:05:20.580 Another case the President wrote is Egypt and Ethiopia,
00:05:24.300 and their fight over a massive dam is having an effect on the magnificent Nile River.
00:05:29.640 There is peace, at least for now, because of my intervention, and it will stay that way.
00:05:35.800 Likewise, we will have peace soon between Israel and Iran.
00:05:39.760 Many calls and meetings now are taking place.
00:05:41.980 I do a lot and never get credit for anything, but that's okay.
00:05:45.520 The American people understand.
00:05:47.520 Make the Middle East great again.
00:05:50.280 In a second post, Trump added,
00:05:53.340 the U.S. has nothing to do with the attack on Iran.
00:05:56.380 This was the night actor.
00:05:58.000 If we are attacked in any way, shape, or form by Iran,
00:06:01.440 the full strength and might of the United States Armed Forces will come down on them at levels never seen before.
00:06:08.900 However, we can easily get a deal done between Iran and Israel and end this bloody conflict.
00:06:15.840 President Trump said that Russian President Vladimir Putin called him on Saturday to wish him a happy birthday,
00:06:22.780 but the two men spoke for almost an hour.
00:06:25.540 Interesting in view of the fact that, well, frankly,
00:06:28.700 I doubt that Joe Biden could have held up an hour conversation during any time of his presidency.
00:06:36.740 Trump said they both agreed that the war should end.
00:06:39.760 He feels, as I do, that the war in Israel should end, he said,
00:06:43.520 in which I explained this on Truth Social.
00:06:47.040 It is absolutely true, however, that there is a potential split in MAGA,
00:06:54.300 with strong voices like Tucker Carlson, like Charlie Kirk, like yours truly,
00:07:00.940 questioning whether we ourselves should be involved in a direct attack on Iran,
00:07:08.740 while others, like Mark Levin, who even when I disagree with him, I respect, Sean Hannity,
00:07:15.480 and others are urging immediate action.
00:07:19.340 General Flynn, interestingly enough, says that we should, without any question,
00:07:24.900 support Israel's actions, and I agree with that.
00:07:28.560 This conflict, he says, weakens U.S. influence in the Middle East.
00:07:32.360 It diverts U.S. attention and resources from Asia, where China faces pressure over Taiwan
00:07:38.340 and the South China Sea, and by keeping the U.S. entangled in Middle Eastern crises,
00:07:44.800 China gains breathing room to pursue its Indo-Pacific regional ambitions with less interference.
00:07:52.480 General Flynn goes on to say,
00:07:54.520 if there is no regime change in Iran, it will strengthen ties with them.
00:07:58.420 China's close relationship with Iran, cemented by a 25-year cooperation agreement that began in 2021,
00:08:05.900 is bolstered by this conflict.
00:08:07.920 Iran, increasingly isolated, relies on China as its principal buyer of sanctioned oil.
00:08:14.680 Almost 90% of Iran's crude exports actually go to China.
00:08:19.660 This secures China, a discounted energy supply critical for its economy,
00:08:24.740 while giving Beijing leverage over Tehran.
00:08:27.880 China also benefits by its diplomatic voice, while not having to commit military forces,
00:08:34.500 at least not yet.
00:08:36.500 General Flynn goes on to say that the conflict enhances China's regional diplomatic clout.
00:08:44.920 China is using the conflict to project itself as a neutral and global peacemaker,
00:08:50.760 contrasting itself with the United States' perceived bias towards Israel.
00:08:54.780 Of course, that is not true.
00:08:56.700 The Chinese are stout allies of the Iranians because they count on their oil.
00:09:02.060 By condemning Israel's actions and calling for de-escalation,
00:09:05.960 China is trying to appeal to the Arab states and to the global Asian South,
00:09:10.740 boosting its image as a champion of non-Western interests.
00:09:14.660 Its mediation efforts, like the Saudi-Iran rapprochement in 2023,
00:09:21.440 gained China credibility, potentially expanding their influence deeper into Middle Eastern diplomacy.
00:09:28.500 China will take advantage of economic opportunities because of the existing instability.
00:09:34.080 Due to regional instability, China benefits by disrupting U.S.-aligned trade routes,
00:09:40.820 increasing reliance on China's Belt and Road Initiative infrastructure.
00:09:45.240 However, China prefers controlled instability as a full-scale war could threaten its Middle Eastern oil imports.
00:09:52.900 Indeed, the Israelis can disrupt the oil production and have no doubt already done so
00:09:59.260 with their stunning attack on Iran.
00:10:02.080 But the fundamental question is whether or not the Israelis on their own have the ability
00:10:10.200 to take out the Fordow nuclear site, which is heavily fortified.
00:10:15.460 It is, as I understand it, underground or within a mountain,
00:10:19.160 or whether only the United States can do that.
00:10:22.920 Coming up on the program, we're going to be talking to Colonel Douglas McGregor,
00:10:28.280 who's a retired Army colonel, one of the great geopolitical thinkers and military strategists in America today.
00:10:36.980 He has been a stout opponent of direct American involvement in Iran,
00:10:42.980 and I want to ask him that question.
00:10:45.980 It is great for General Flynn to say that, well, we should support Israel,
00:10:50.440 but if Israel cannot finish the job, and if President Trump is correct,
00:10:55.580 that we cannot allow under any circumstances the Iranians to have a nuclear bomb,
00:11:03.860 well, then America faces a conundrum that could split the MAGA movement.
00:11:10.140 That is my greatest concern.
00:11:12.380 Once again, however, I am very happy that it is Donald Trump making this decision and not Joe Biden.
00:11:21.040 It was interesting to see President Trump kind of shake off the criticism of my friend Tucker Carlson.
00:11:28.340 Carlson goes further, far further than I do, by saying that he's even opposed to our support of Israel's attack on Iran.
00:11:36.600 I support Israel's attack on Iran.
00:11:39.480 It was clear to me after meeting with members of the resistance who flew from Paris to meet me only weeks ago
00:11:49.640 that the Iranians were stalling, that there was no instance under which they would give up their attempts to develop a nuclear capability.
00:12:00.180 They were waiting for the UN's chartered sanctions to expire.
00:12:06.760 They were waiting for backup from their Chinese and Pakistani allies,
00:12:14.380 but there was no way that they were going to give up the bomb.
00:12:18.140 I still don't believe that they will.
00:12:19.760 The real danger, of course, is that Iran shares their nuclear capability with their most radical proxies,
00:12:29.660 the Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis.
00:12:32.780 This would be a direct challenge to the U.S.'s short and long-term interests.
00:12:39.060 This strategy allows China to pressure Western powers without direct confrontation,
00:12:44.500 aligning with its non-interventionist policy.
00:12:47.440 Now, there are many who correctly suggest that China supplies weapons components to Iran
00:12:52.540 and its proxies already, further amplifying its influence.
00:12:56.220 These benefits are not without significant risks, however.
00:13:00.200 A broader regional war will disrupt its energy security and its BRICS investments,
00:13:06.340 which rely on Middle Eastern stability.
00:13:08.740 Additionally, China's pro-Iran stance strains relations with Israel even further.
00:13:14.440 Israel is still a key technology partner, potentially limiting access to Israel's innovation.
00:13:21.100 It's interesting that Israel does let China manage its largest single port in Haifa,
00:13:28.340 and you have to wonder, as an American, how the Israelis can square that,
00:13:34.160 recognizing that Donald Trump has correctly declared the Chinese to be our number one problem.
00:13:42.680 When we come back, we will shortly be meeting with Colonel Douglas McGregor.
00:13:47.980 I want to hear his take on this.
00:13:50.160 But in the meantime, you're listening to The Stone Zone.
00:13:52.560 I'm Roger Stone, and we're talking about the possibility of, well, it could be World War III.
00:13:58.920 Whatever you do, don't touch that dial, because we'll be right back.
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00:14:37.920 If President Donald Trump ends up saving Israel,
00:14:40.820 he will not be the first Republican president to have done so.
00:14:43.900 During the 1973 Yom Kippur War, President Richard Nixon played a critical role
00:14:49.160 and saved Israel from a total and complete annihilation,
00:14:53.460 an operation known in the military as Operation Nickelgrass.
00:14:58.560 This happened when Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack on Israel on October 6, 1973.
00:15:06.280 Due to a failure in Israeli intelligence,
00:15:09.360 Israel faced severe shortages of equipment and ammunition
00:15:12.300 as their backs were to the sea.
00:15:17.140 Golda Meir, the prime minister of Israel,
00:15:21.320 put out an SOS to President Richard Nixon.
00:15:25.160 Nixon faced resistance from his Pentagon,
00:15:29.940 his entire national security apparatus,
00:15:33.280 including Dr. Henry Kissinger,
00:15:35.980 his national security advisor at the time,
00:15:38.260 who were adamantly opposed, all of them,
00:15:41.220 but with Kissinger specifically suggesting
00:15:43.680 that it would raise the ire of the Russians,
00:15:46.860 perhaps draw them into the conflict.
00:15:48.440 Nixon bravely overruled all these objections,
00:15:52.480 reportedly saying,
00:15:53.860 we're going to get blamed just as much for three planes as we will for 300.
00:16:00.000 The U.S. military downloaded by U.S. G5 Galaxy and C-141 Starlight aircraft
00:16:09.700 over 22 tons of equipment,
00:16:13.580 including tanks, bullets, artillery, spare parts, and medicine,
00:16:20.460 and also got another 33,000 tons to Israel by the end of the war.
00:16:29.220 Nixon also very deftly placed U.S. nuclear forces on a heightened state of alert,
00:16:34.600 DEFCON 3, on October 24,
00:16:36.240 which was a clear signal to the Soviet Union
00:16:38.940 that the U.S. would not tolerate direct Soviet intervention,
00:16:43.660 especially after intelligence suggested that Moscow might send troops
00:16:47.100 to support Egypt.
00:16:50.060 Later, when it was revealed that President Nixon
00:16:54.740 made a number of anti-Semitic and anti-Jewish comments
00:16:58.180 on the famous Watergate tapes,
00:17:00.180 Goldmeier defended him saying,
00:17:01.760 what matters, deeds or words?
00:17:05.140 Indeed, it is deeds.
00:17:07.000 And it was President Richard M. Nixon
00:17:09.060 who saved Israel from total and complete annihilation
00:17:13.220 back in 1973.
00:17:16.840 That's the part of the tapes they never, ever tell you about.
00:17:20.960 When we come back,
00:17:22.560 Colonel Douglas McGregor,
00:17:24.400 a retired Army colonel,
00:17:25.820 one of the great geopolitical and military strategists
00:17:28.700 and thinkers in the country will give us his take.
00:17:32.180 He has a piece out today directly to the president saying,
00:17:36.260 dear President Trump, keep America first,
00:17:38.100 not Israel first,
00:17:39.480 not Ukraine first,
00:17:40.660 but America first.
00:17:42.000 Don't go away.
00:17:42.960 We'll be right back.
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00:17:55.440 And we're back in the Stone Zone.
00:17:58.920 Joining me now,
00:18:00.200 a retired U.S. Army colonel
00:18:02.080 and combat veteran,
00:18:03.460 Douglas McGregor.
00:18:04.920 He is a legend in military circles
00:18:08.140 because of his leadership
00:18:09.160 in the Battle of 73 Easting,
00:18:11.880 the U.S. Army's largest tank battle
00:18:14.460 since World War II.
00:18:15.540 He is also one of the most formidable defense
00:18:19.940 and foreign policy thinkers in the country.
00:18:22.640 He is the CEO of Our Country, Our Choice.
00:18:25.600 You can follow him at OurCountryOurChoice.com.
00:18:29.160 Former advisor to the Secretary of Defense,
00:18:31.640 Colonel McGregor,
00:18:32.420 welcome back into the Stone Zone.
00:18:34.620 You have a very strong
00:18:37.200 and persuasive piece today,
00:18:39.620 picked up by Zero Hedge,
00:18:41.340 I was happy to say,
00:18:43.060 that you make the case
00:18:45.180 that the President Trump
00:18:47.100 should not use U.S. force,
00:18:49.640 should not enter this conflict,
00:18:51.640 should not attack Iran.
00:18:53.660 At the same time,
00:18:55.160 Bibi Netanyahu is telling us
00:18:58.040 that if Tel Aviv fails,
00:18:59.980 well, New York City will be attacked,
00:19:02.440 which I think is unlikely.
00:19:05.020 Please, Colonel, make the case.
00:19:09.740 Hi, Roger.
00:19:10.820 It's good to talk with you.
00:19:12.280 My concern at this point
00:19:14.960 is that the situation for Israel
00:19:16.780 with each passing hour grows worse.
00:19:18.660 Israel is really being pulverized.
00:19:23.460 The Iron Dome,
00:19:24.820 as well as Israeli intelligence,
00:19:26.600 I think collectively they failed.
00:19:28.960 The Israelis launched
00:19:30.360 a Pearl Harbor-style attack,
00:19:32.920 expected the Iranians to reel in shock,
00:19:36.440 and to their surprise,
00:19:37.520 the Iranians recovered quite quickly.
00:19:39.940 And since then,
00:19:40.900 Iranians have been launching
00:19:42.800 inexhaustible numbers of missiles.
00:19:45.520 Large numbers were old missiles
00:19:47.960 designed to attract
00:19:49.020 Israeli and American
00:19:51.680 air defense capabilities
00:19:52.800 because we have
00:19:53.860 the THAAD radar and battery
00:19:56.000 on the ground,
00:19:56.780 as well as Patriots.
00:19:58.540 These are operated by U.S. troops.
00:20:01.320 We also have Aegis-class destroyers
00:20:04.520 operating the Aegis air defense system.
00:20:07.400 And, Roger,
00:20:08.240 we're running out of missiles.
00:20:09.520 We just don't have very many in reserve.
00:20:12.340 Israelis are running through
00:20:13.660 most of those.
00:20:15.320 And to be frank,
00:20:16.080 the Iranians have only just begun.
00:20:18.400 And right now,
00:20:19.160 the latest reports
00:20:20.140 that I'm seeing
00:20:21.040 from people I trust
00:20:22.360 who know what's happening
00:20:23.340 tell me that the Iranians
00:20:25.380 are planning to launch attacks
00:20:26.820 so devastating
00:20:27.880 that by the time
00:20:29.600 the carrier battle groups
00:20:31.380 and additional forces,
00:20:32.980 air and naval power
00:20:33.940 from the United States
00:20:35.580 arrive in the region,
00:20:36.500 there may not be much
00:20:37.440 of Israel left.
00:20:39.560 So my view is
00:20:40.900 that the best thing
00:20:41.640 right now
00:20:42.240 that we can do
00:20:43.020 to rescue Israel
00:20:44.300 from this situation
00:20:45.220 is to come to an end
00:20:47.220 to say,
00:20:48.700 look,
00:20:49.120 we've got to find
00:20:50.000 a different way forward.
00:20:50.920 We have to end
00:20:51.580 the tragedy in Gaza.
00:20:53.600 That's been the catalyst
00:20:54.660 for all of this hatred
00:20:55.800 and destruction.
00:20:57.560 We have to put
00:20:58.160 all of our assumptions aside.
00:21:00.540 We need a great power conference.
00:21:02.500 And instead of trying
00:21:03.620 to exclude everybody
00:21:04.660 we don't like,
00:21:05.420 we have to bring in
00:21:06.360 the people that can help us
00:21:07.620 put this thing together.
00:21:08.960 And that means Russia
00:21:09.920 and China,
00:21:11.400 India,
00:21:12.160 and probably Brazil
00:21:13.380 along with ourselves.
00:21:14.960 Sit down
00:21:15.740 and talk to each other
00:21:17.240 as equals.
00:21:18.840 Insist on a ceasefire.
00:21:21.660 And then tell the Iranians
00:21:23.380 and the Israelis
00:21:24.380 stand down
00:21:25.200 and we'll arbitrate
00:21:26.780 this thing.
00:21:27.480 And the outcome
00:21:28.160 may not be 100%
00:21:29.300 of what anybody wants,
00:21:31.000 but I think we need
00:21:32.220 to do something quickly
00:21:33.500 because this could
00:21:34.600 ultimately spin out
00:21:35.860 of control,
00:21:37.120 move beyond the region,
00:21:38.300 and the Russians
00:21:39.960 and the Chinese
00:21:40.760 and others
00:21:41.300 who may not really
00:21:42.020 want to be part of this
00:21:43.080 may feel obligated
00:21:44.720 to intervene.
00:21:45.440 And then there is always
00:21:46.280 the nuclear threshold
00:21:47.380 and the Israelis
00:21:48.980 have substantial numbers
00:21:50.300 of nuclear warheads.
00:21:52.280 Using one of those
00:21:53.480 at this point
00:21:54.180 would be catastrophic
00:21:55.220 because I think
00:21:56.060 inevitably
00:21:56.540 nuclear weapons
00:21:57.940 would be used
00:21:58.540 against them,
00:21:59.520 not necessarily
00:22:00.220 from Iran,
00:22:00.980 but other sources.
00:22:02.600 In other words,
00:22:03.720 before this thing
00:22:04.680 goes any further,
00:22:05.920 I think President Trump
00:22:07.780 needs to stand up
00:22:08.840 and say let's take
00:22:10.080 a different approach
00:22:10.800 entirely.
00:22:12.180 He seems to have
00:22:13.460 done that.
00:22:14.440 It was interesting
00:22:15.080 that immediately
00:22:15.540 after the attack
00:22:16.940 by Israel
00:22:17.980 he was calling
00:22:18.720 for talks.
00:22:19.400 He wanted to get
00:22:19.980 the Iranians
00:22:20.960 back to the table.
00:22:22.260 It's a Wall Street
00:22:22.760 Journal story
00:22:23.500 out this afternoon.
00:22:24.740 It says that they are
00:22:25.700 ready to come back
00:22:26.560 to the table.
00:22:27.200 I found that encouraging.
00:22:29.340 Do you think
00:22:29.880 the Iranians
00:22:30.600 are foolish enough
00:22:31.760 or perhaps
00:22:32.620 their command and control
00:22:33.660 is somewhat dysfunctional?
00:22:35.660 Do you think
00:22:36.220 that they will
00:22:36.860 attack any U.S.
00:22:38.300 asset
00:22:38.700 either intentionally
00:22:39.840 or through miscalculation
00:22:41.320 or perhaps
00:22:43.280 one of their proxies
00:22:44.320 does so
00:22:44.980 prompting the president
00:22:47.440 to act in a way
00:22:48.900 that may not be
00:22:49.780 in our best interests?
00:22:52.940 Thus far,
00:22:53.860 the Iranians
00:22:54.500 have scrupulously
00:22:55.320 avoided
00:22:55.920 doing anything
00:22:57.520 that would give
00:22:58.300 the United States
00:22:59.720 an excuse
00:23:00.180 to intervene.
00:23:01.700 As for the talk business,
00:23:03.400 I'm very suspicious
00:23:04.380 of what comes out
00:23:05.260 of the Wall Street Journal
00:23:06.220 and the New York Times
00:23:07.100 and others.
00:23:08.320 I don't find
00:23:09.300 any evidence
00:23:09.920 that the Iranians
00:23:10.800 have expressed
00:23:11.360 an interest
00:23:12.140 or a willingness
00:23:12.640 to come back at all.
00:23:14.660 And the other thing
00:23:15.340 is that I think
00:23:16.440 President Trump's
00:23:17.780 credibility
00:23:18.220 is at an all-time low.
00:23:20.300 They regard him
00:23:23.000 as somebody
00:23:23.440 they can't believe.
00:23:25.020 And I'm afraid
00:23:25.880 that's true
00:23:26.420 in Russia
00:23:26.860 and China,
00:23:27.920 which is another reason
00:23:29.200 why President Trump
00:23:30.320 needs to bring them
00:23:32.080 in to a conference
00:23:33.740 and stop pretending
00:23:35.920 that we're not really
00:23:37.200 on the side of Israel.
00:23:38.320 We are 100%
00:23:39.560 on Israel's side.
00:23:41.140 Everybody knows that.
00:23:42.080 But we're also interested
00:23:43.180 in Israel's survival
00:23:45.080 and we're not interested
00:23:46.660 in destroying Iran.
00:23:48.280 And unless we stand up
00:23:49.600 and say that
00:23:50.280 and bring those others in,
00:23:52.000 whatever President Trump
00:23:53.080 does at this point
00:23:53.880 may not make
00:23:54.440 a great deal of difference.
00:23:55.400 Now, our mutual friend
00:23:57.720 General Flynn
00:23:58.740 has argued
00:23:59.640 that the Israelis
00:24:00.800 should be allowed
00:24:01.820 to proceed
00:24:02.400 in their own defense.
00:24:04.460 But playing devil's advocate,
00:24:07.900 is it not true
00:24:08.920 that the Fordow nuclear site
00:24:11.680 is so heavily embedded
00:24:13.280 that only American power,
00:24:16.920 our proprietary conventional
00:24:18.320 30,000-pound bunker buster bombs
00:24:21.360 have the capability
00:24:22.560 to take it out?
00:24:24.540 Well, Roger,
00:24:25.240 I think you make
00:24:25.880 a good point.
00:24:26.900 I would go one step further
00:24:28.460 and I would say
00:24:29.140 I'm not sure
00:24:29.720 we can take it out.
00:24:31.680 This is kind of
00:24:33.080 a self-defeating process.
00:24:35.700 We could have had
00:24:36.460 an agreement
00:24:36.980 with reduced
00:24:38.380 uranium enrichment
00:24:39.940 for purely civilian purposes.
00:24:42.440 That was rejected
00:24:43.560 and ultimately
00:24:44.280 it was clear
00:24:45.080 that Iran had a choice.
00:24:47.860 It could be humiliated
00:24:49.040 and essentially
00:24:50.300 get on its knees
00:24:51.700 and beg for forgiveness
00:24:52.760 and be a subject state
00:24:54.560 of greater Israel
00:24:55.460 or it could fight.
00:24:57.040 You can't do business
00:24:58.180 that way
00:24:58.700 and Iran is not
00:25:00.680 going to be subjugated.
00:25:02.200 We have to treat Iran
00:25:03.400 as a sovereign state
00:25:04.640 and I think
00:25:05.620 if we bring in
00:25:06.340 all of these other
00:25:07.200 great powers
00:25:07.940 at a conference,
00:25:09.200 let the various people
00:25:10.340 make their case,
00:25:12.880 arbitrate it
00:25:13.540 and sort it out,
00:25:14.400 we can avoid
00:25:15.040 a major war.
00:25:16.300 The problem right now
00:25:17.460 is that you've got
00:25:18.180 the Russians
00:25:18.640 who are telling
00:25:19.320 the Iranians,
00:25:19.940 look, work with us,
00:25:21.960 we'll find a way
00:25:22.720 around this.
00:25:23.680 You know,
00:25:23.960 you can send
00:25:24.560 your spent fuel to us,
00:25:26.100 you can store
00:25:26.940 whatever you want
00:25:27.720 with us
00:25:28.300 and the Iranians
00:25:29.780 are saying no,
00:25:30.620 we are a sovereign power.
00:25:32.440 We are not going
00:25:33.240 to surrender
00:25:33.840 our sovereignty.
00:25:35.520 So it's a very
00:25:36.060 bad situation
00:25:37.640 and then you've got
00:25:39.180 President Trump
00:25:39.800 and you know
00:25:40.180 President Trump,
00:25:41.040 Roger, very, very well.
00:25:42.120 He takes things
00:25:42.780 very personally
00:25:43.460 and the worst thing
00:25:45.140 that could possibly happen
00:25:46.160 at this stage
00:25:46.860 is that he decides
00:25:47.760 to become personally enraged
00:25:49.720 and commit us
00:25:50.320 to a conflict
00:25:50.980 that we're not
00:25:52.060 prepared to fight.
00:25:53.380 We'll go through
00:25:54.200 our arsenal of missiles
00:25:55.340 and rockets
00:25:55.860 and everything else
00:25:56.440 very, very rapidly.
00:25:58.100 The best that we can
00:25:59.280 put to sea right now
00:26:00.460 at one time
00:26:01.280 are four carrier battle groups.
00:26:03.300 We've got two
00:26:04.080 on their way there.
00:26:05.320 Then there'll be two more
00:26:06.420 that'll be sent over.
00:26:07.360 They'll overlap
00:26:07.980 for a brief period of time
00:26:09.080 and then the other two
00:26:09.780 will have to pull out
00:26:10.700 and then defending them
00:26:12.480 is not going to be
00:26:13.160 an easy proposition
00:26:14.040 and the worst thing
00:26:14.920 that I can imagine
00:26:15.640 happening
00:26:16.120 would be to lose
00:26:17.460 a capital ship
00:26:18.260 at sea right now.
00:26:19.240 Then you cross
00:26:21.660 the so-called Rubicon.
00:26:22.980 How do you get out
00:26:23.760 of it when you begin
00:26:25.120 taking a major loss
00:26:26.820 like that publicly?
00:26:28.460 The other excellent point
00:26:29.920 that I think you make
00:26:31.280 that most Americans
00:26:32.180 do not recognize
00:26:33.060 is they just assume
00:26:34.480 that there will be
00:26:34.980 no effect on them.
00:26:37.020 Should we proceed
00:26:38.380 and the Iranians
00:26:40.440 shut down the Strait of Hormuz
00:26:41.940 where almost a quarter
00:26:43.020 of the world's
00:26:43.900 global oil supply flows,
00:26:46.200 it would be,
00:26:47.900 as you point,
00:26:48.580 a huge disruption
00:26:49.920 in supply chains
00:26:50.840 and the cause
00:26:51.840 of runaway inflation.
00:26:53.340 You predict,
00:26:54.120 I think correctly,
00:26:55.020 that gas could hit
00:26:55.860 $7 a gallon
00:26:57.240 virtually overnight.
00:26:58.460 Every working family
00:26:59.460 in the country
00:27:00.740 would be crushed.
00:27:01.620 Suddenly,
00:27:02.280 truckers cannot deliver food,
00:27:04.400 as you put it,
00:27:05.300 causing our economy
00:27:06.680 to crash.
00:27:08.020 So Israel
00:27:09.360 taking,
00:27:11.380 trying to drag us
00:27:12.560 into this wider conflict,
00:27:14.420 Americans should not assume
00:27:16.160 that it'll have
00:27:16.780 no effect
00:27:17.400 on their everyday lives.
00:27:19.400 I think the impact
00:27:20.660 would be catastrophic,
00:27:22.220 as you point out.
00:27:24.380 No, you're 100% right.
00:27:26.000 Plus the fact,
00:27:27.420 I strongly support
00:27:28.760 many of the internal,
00:27:30.700 actually,
00:27:31.080 all of the domestic policies
00:27:32.600 that President Trump
00:27:33.500 has implemented.
00:27:35.120 They haven't been
00:27:35.940 perfectly implemented.
00:27:37.040 We have a long way to go,
00:27:38.120 but he is on the right track.
00:27:39.460 All of that could be lost
00:27:40.640 overnight
00:27:41.240 as a result of
00:27:42.660 what you described.
00:27:43.460 And Americans
00:27:44.860 are pretty understanding
00:27:46.500 until they can't eat,
00:27:48.180 until they can't buy something,
00:27:49.920 until they don't have a job.
00:27:51.960 We don't want to walk
00:27:53.100 down that road.
00:27:54.560 And in the meantime,
00:27:55.740 we can't lose sight
00:27:56.800 of something else.
00:27:57.800 If we are truly
00:27:58.780 Israel's friend,
00:28:00.460 we stop suicide
00:28:02.160 when we see it approaching.
00:28:04.300 And I think that's really
00:28:05.420 the big issue.
00:28:06.920 Do we want Israel
00:28:08.140 to survive?
00:28:08.960 I vote yes.
00:28:10.380 And if you vote yes,
00:28:12.020 you've got to stop them.
00:28:13.240 This notion of letting them
00:28:14.920 go on to defend themselves,
00:28:16.440 wait a minute.
00:28:17.540 They're not defending themselves.
00:28:18.960 They're in an aggressive,
00:28:20.400 offensive war.
00:28:21.780 Greater Israel,
00:28:22.720 it dramatically expands
00:28:24.200 Israeli territory
00:28:25.220 and control,
00:28:26.160 is not a matter of defense.
00:28:28.560 So to say that
00:28:29.560 is just ridiculous.
00:28:30.740 We've got to be honest.
00:28:32.440 Look at what's happening.
00:28:34.040 Put an end
00:28:34.660 to this Gaza tragedy.
00:28:36.580 It has to end.
00:28:37.840 I was sent something
00:28:39.000 tonight
00:28:39.520 by a friend in Israel.
00:28:41.480 It was a video
00:28:42.900 of people sitting
00:28:44.020 in a shelter
00:28:44.640 in Israel.
00:28:46.560 I thought at first
00:28:47.600 it was an airport
00:28:48.220 or perhaps a subway
00:28:49.380 or something.
00:28:50.700 It was unfortunate.
00:28:52.680 I felt badly
00:28:53.360 for the people
00:28:53.900 who were there,
00:28:54.640 but it's a hell of a lot
00:28:55.780 nicer than being
00:28:56.640 in Gaza right now.
00:28:58.180 And I think we need
00:28:59.240 to put that
00:28:59.860 Gaza thing
00:29:01.300 right at the top
00:29:02.660 of the agenda
00:29:03.220 and end that catastrophe.
00:29:05.900 When President Trump
00:29:06.780 visited Riyadh
00:29:09.260 and I think later
00:29:10.740 said it again
00:29:11.560 in Qatar,
00:29:12.460 he announced
00:29:13.080 that we would be
00:29:14.020 getting food,
00:29:15.920 medicine,
00:29:16.480 and aid
00:29:17.120 to those in Gaza.
00:29:18.780 But I saw
00:29:19.700 no follow-up on that.
00:29:20.720 Do we believe
00:29:21.080 that really happened?
00:29:23.140 No.
00:29:23.760 No, Roger,
00:29:24.520 it hasn't.
00:29:25.480 Very little
00:29:26.020 has gotten through.
00:29:28.040 And that's been
00:29:29.700 a deliberate
00:29:30.240 Israeli policy.
00:29:32.180 You know,
00:29:32.400 President Trump
00:29:34.060 is someone
00:29:35.420 that probably
00:29:36.080 ought to publicly
00:29:36.860 say that Israel
00:29:37.900 should hold
00:29:38.480 a snap elections
00:29:39.540 because it needs
00:29:41.160 new leadership.
00:29:42.780 You know,
00:29:43.060 mass murder
00:29:44.020 is not a national
00:29:45.600 policy that the world
00:29:46.720 is going to support.
00:29:48.460 Some people got away
00:29:49.640 with that in the past
00:29:50.600 and we know
00:29:51.280 they still paid a price
00:29:52.800 in the 20th century.
00:29:54.040 But this is the 21st.
00:29:56.500 That kind of thing
00:29:57.640 is just no longer tolerable.
00:29:59.260 We shouldn't support it.
00:30:00.560 And he can stop it.
00:30:02.400 One of the most
00:30:03.500 compelling things
00:30:04.280 that you write here
00:30:05.120 is we have
00:30:06.120 40,000 troops
00:30:07.100 in the UAE,
00:30:08.220 Qatar,
00:30:08.820 and across
00:30:09.180 the Persian Gulf.
00:30:10.160 They're sitting ducks.
00:30:11.520 Iranian Shared
00:30:12.680 136 drones
00:30:14.460 cost about
00:30:14.960 $20,000 each
00:30:16.240 while American
00:30:17.260 Patriot missiles
00:30:18.080 cost $4 million
00:30:19.060 per interceptor.
00:30:20.640 Do the math,
00:30:21.400 you say.
00:30:21.840 We will run
00:30:22.360 through our inventory
00:30:22.960 of missiles
00:30:23.440 and go broke
00:30:24.120 while Americans
00:30:24.760 come home in boxes.
00:30:26.460 This is,
00:30:26.960 I think,
00:30:27.440 a stunning reality.
00:30:28.900 You have much courage
00:30:30.500 in saying it,
00:30:31.200 but it has to be said.
00:30:32.520 It really does
00:30:33.400 threaten
00:30:33.920 to disrupt
00:30:35.200 President Trump's
00:30:36.720 governing coalition.
00:30:38.500 He was elected
00:30:39.040 as the anti-war candidate.
00:30:41.080 He was elected
00:30:42.000 as the candidate
00:30:43.360 to oppose
00:30:43.980 endless foreign war
00:30:45.360 where our inherent
00:30:46.620 national interests
00:30:47.480 were not clear.
00:30:48.880 Yet,
00:30:49.440 I fear
00:30:49.980 that some of his advisors,
00:30:51.940 some around him,
00:30:53.260 and some leaders,
00:30:54.940 such as Netanyahu,
00:30:56.460 seek to draw him
00:30:57.600 into this war
00:30:58.880 to do the dirty work
00:31:00.480 of Israel.
00:31:01.040 And this,
00:31:01.440 I agree with
00:31:02.760 Tucker Carlson,
00:31:04.140 who is taking
00:31:05.740 quite a beating
00:31:06.820 from some
00:31:07.620 on the right today,
00:31:08.680 but who is sticking
00:31:09.860 to his guns
00:31:10.880 as you have done.
00:31:13.820 While I have you,
00:31:14.860 I do want to ask you
00:31:15.800 about the stunning
00:31:17.300 diplomatic move
00:31:18.780 to bring Syria
00:31:19.780 in out of the cold
00:31:21.220 to take our ambassador
00:31:22.640 to Turkey,
00:31:23.440 Tom Barrack,
00:31:24.100 who's an enormously
00:31:24.920 able man,
00:31:26.320 somebody I've known
00:31:26.820 since 1972,
00:31:28.360 make him a special envoy
00:31:29.940 to Syria.
00:31:31.660 It's a stunning piece
00:31:32.880 of statecraft,
00:31:33.820 but I wonder
00:31:34.620 what your thoughts are
00:31:35.840 on the implications
00:31:38.180 of it.
00:31:40.160 Well,
00:31:40.860 the Turkish-Israeli
00:31:42.140 cooperation
00:31:42.860 that helped
00:31:44.420 to produce
00:31:45.040 the removal
00:31:46.260 of Assad
00:31:47.040 and the emergence
00:31:48.340 of this new government
00:31:49.600 of former
00:31:50.360 ISIS members
00:31:52.020 and former
00:31:52.660 Al-Qaeda members
00:31:53.660 is something
00:31:54.920 that's very difficult
00:31:55.780 to fathom.
00:31:57.480 We want something
00:31:58.960 that produces stability,
00:32:02.000 but most of the people
00:32:03.360 that we're dealing
00:32:04.220 with right now
00:32:05.080 in Damascus
00:32:06.460 are bathed
00:32:08.240 in blood.
00:32:09.660 They've killed
00:32:10.420 untold numbers
00:32:12.200 of Christians,
00:32:13.820 Druze,
00:32:14.980 Shiites,
00:32:16.500 Armenians,
00:32:18.200 you name it.
00:32:19.400 I don't know
00:32:19.920 how long
00:32:20.360 this thing will last.
00:32:21.360 And right now
00:32:22.980 the relationship
00:32:23.980 between the Israelis
00:32:25.560 and the Turks
00:32:26.480 on this whole score
00:32:28.140 is sickeningly
00:32:29.720 reminiscent
00:32:30.380 of the Nazis
00:32:31.280 and the communists
00:32:32.540 in 1939.
00:32:35.040 I don't know
00:32:35.640 how long
00:32:36.020 this thing will last,
00:32:36.940 Roger.
00:32:37.860 I think we need
00:32:38.940 to be very careful.
00:32:41.120 We're in the Stone Zone.
00:32:42.480 We're talking
00:32:42.920 to Colonel Douglas McGregor
00:32:44.280 and we'll be right back.
00:32:46.540 The Stone Zone
00:32:47.520 on the Red Apple
00:32:48.840 Podcast Network.
00:32:51.360 The Stone Zone
00:32:53.740 entertaining
00:32:54.780 and informative
00:32:56.020 on the Red Apple
00:32:57.140 Podcast Network.
00:32:59.500 And we're back.
00:33:00.520 We're talking
00:33:01.020 to retired
00:33:01.980 U.S. Army
00:33:02.660 Colonel Douglas McGregor,
00:33:04.060 former advisor
00:33:04.920 to the Secretary
00:33:05.640 of Defense
00:33:06.320 and author
00:33:08.020 of five books
00:33:09.240 on military history
00:33:10.340 and strategy.
00:33:11.200 One of the great
00:33:12.340 geopolitical
00:33:13.340 and military
00:33:14.100 strategic thinkers
00:33:15.440 in the country.
00:33:16.580 and he is
00:33:18.400 a very strong piece
00:33:19.780 picked up today
00:33:21.000 by Zero Hedge
00:33:22.140 in which he urges
00:33:23.480 President Trump
00:33:24.380 not to commit
00:33:25.500 American force
00:33:27.120 to the war
00:33:28.540 in Iran.
00:33:29.780 You have a kind
00:33:30.960 of a five-point
00:33:32.260 proposal here
00:33:33.540 for the president
00:33:34.260 that you say
00:33:35.400 the president
00:33:36.300 should do
00:33:37.140 to disfuse
00:33:37.800 the conflict.
00:33:38.680 Colonel McGregor,
00:33:39.280 go through this
00:33:39.740 for us.
00:33:40.160 Well, first and foremost,
00:33:43.100 I think we should
00:33:43.960 do something
00:33:44.500 nobody in Washington
00:33:45.440 likes to do,
00:33:46.160 which is to go
00:33:46.700 to the United Nations
00:33:47.700 and ask the United Nations
00:33:49.740 Security Council
00:33:51.080 to effectively
00:33:52.960 impose a ceasefire
00:33:55.120 that we say
00:33:55.760 we will support
00:33:56.580 and the killing
00:33:58.840 in Gaza
00:33:59.400 and make it clear
00:34:00.300 to the Israelis
00:34:01.000 that until they
00:34:02.420 stop killing people
00:34:03.420 in Gaza,
00:34:03.960 we are not going
00:34:04.880 to continue
00:34:05.380 our aid to them.
00:34:06.940 Then also to talk
00:34:08.220 about the other things
00:34:09.740 that are going
00:34:10.120 to have to happen
00:34:10.760 in connection
00:34:11.180 with Gaza,
00:34:11.820 one of which is
00:34:12.600 eventually we've got
00:34:13.320 to put some soldiers
00:34:14.120 in there
00:34:14.640 that will provide
00:34:16.020 some measure
00:34:16.580 of security
00:34:17.180 and separate the parties
00:34:18.540 and they'll have
00:34:19.540 to come from
00:34:20.040 non-aligned nations,
00:34:21.180 not from us.
00:34:22.940 You know,
00:34:23.300 and then I think
00:34:24.540 more important
00:34:25.340 than anything else,
00:34:26.400 we've got to hold
00:34:27.420 a conference.
00:34:28.940 These things
00:34:29.460 have happened before.
00:34:30.740 They've been done
00:34:31.420 before,
00:34:32.020 during,
00:34:32.400 and after wars.
00:34:33.660 We need a great
00:34:34.780 power conference
00:34:35.520 and we need to bring
00:34:36.480 in China,
00:34:37.180 Russia,
00:34:37.540 the United States,
00:34:38.420 also India,
00:34:40.300 I would argue,
00:34:41.000 which is non-aligned
00:34:41.900 but has strong interests
00:34:44.440 in the end
00:34:44.940 of this instability,
00:34:46.220 and ultimately Brazil.
00:34:48.060 We need to make this
00:34:49.400 as global as we can
00:34:51.020 but still keep it
00:34:52.000 to a small group
00:34:52.860 of people.
00:34:54.000 And then we need
00:34:54.680 to sort out
00:34:55.220 these issues.
00:34:55.960 And I don't think
00:34:56.600 that harms us.
00:34:58.140 I don't think
00:34:58.660 that diminishes
00:34:59.300 our power.
00:35:00.440 I think it will increase
00:35:01.460 our influence
00:35:02.180 and stature.
00:35:03.360 And I think
00:35:03.800 it would be very good
00:35:04.560 for President Trump
00:35:05.540 to offer
00:35:07.400 to host this
00:35:08.100 wherever we want
00:35:08.880 to have it
00:35:09.360 and lead this effort
00:35:11.520 and get everybody
00:35:12.440 on side
00:35:13.180 and we'll come up
00:35:14.500 with a solution
00:35:15.200 that won't necessarily
00:35:17.020 be what everybody wants
00:35:18.040 but it will stop
00:35:19.620 the war
00:35:20.160 because I'm very afraid
00:35:21.680 of where things
00:35:22.320 are headed right now.
00:35:23.900 Israel is not doing well
00:35:25.340 and we can't necessarily
00:35:27.740 rescue it in time.
00:35:29.440 We need an end
00:35:30.480 to this as soon
00:35:31.100 as possible.
00:35:32.280 Well,
00:35:32.520 I should correctly
00:35:33.100 point out
00:35:33.720 the neocons,
00:35:34.760 the warmongers
00:35:35.320 have had 22 years
00:35:36.740 and they have failed.
00:35:38.620 They have lied to us.
00:35:40.780 The results
00:35:41.560 since 2003
00:35:43.040 in the Middle East,
00:35:43.740 7,000 dead Americans
00:35:44.920 as you write,
00:35:45.860 50,000 wounded,
00:35:47.020 open borders,
00:35:47.840 100,000 Americans
00:35:48.880 dying yearly
00:35:49.900 from fentanyl poison.
00:35:50.960 Clearly America
00:35:51.560 has other priorities
00:35:53.780 at this moment
00:35:54.720 and I agree with you.
00:35:55.860 Our theory is
00:35:56.460 that President Trump
00:35:57.260 will lose his mandate
00:35:59.160 to close our borders,
00:36:00.700 to negotiate
00:36:01.580 better trade deals,
00:36:02.580 to cut taxes
00:36:03.420 and regulation,
00:36:04.920 to rebuild
00:36:06.140 our military strength,
00:36:08.060 to make America healthy.
00:36:10.220 Again,
00:36:10.460 all of these
00:36:11.040 important aspects
00:36:12.540 of Trumpism
00:36:13.780 could be lost
00:36:15.280 with a decision
00:36:17.020 to enter this war
00:36:18.320 with our military might.
00:36:19.880 Let me thank
00:36:20.400 our guest today,
00:36:21.320 Colonel Douglas McGregor.
00:36:22.760 You can find him again
00:36:23.920 at OurCountryOurChoice.com.
00:36:26.900 That's OurCountryOurChoice.com.
00:36:29.160 Colonel McGregor,
00:36:29.680 thank you so much
00:36:30.480 for joining us today
00:36:31.400 in the Stone Zone.
00:36:33.460 Hey, thank you, Roger.
00:36:34.780 Appreciate it.
00:36:35.620 God bless you.
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