The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


The Stone Zone ｜ 07-10-25


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Summary

Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of 33 counts of child sex trafficking and 33 accounts of statutory rape in Florida in 2002. He was the first person in the history of the state of Florida to be convicted of such a crime. Yet, he served only 15 months in prison, and served it in the newly renovated and air conditioned Palm Beach County Jail where he was the only prisoner convicted of sex crimes in Florida.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:06.080 Welcome. You are entering the Stone Zone.
00:00:09.840 Well, the third day of the controversy regarding Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted pedophile, continues.
00:00:19.740 I have to admit that not since the election of President Donald Trump
00:00:25.380 have I seen this much discontent among the MAGA base and his supporters.
00:00:32.680 My phone is literally blowing up with phone calls and text messages
00:00:38.560 from people who are deeply disappointed in what many of them view as a cover-up.
00:00:46.780 I wrote a book in 2015, The Clinton's War on Women.
00:00:51.540 The longest chapter in the book is Chapter 7, entitled Orgy Island,
00:00:58.320 in which I laid out all of the criminal activities of Jeffrey Epstein.
00:01:04.540 I told the story from the beginning when the Palm Beach City police chief, Michael Ryder,
00:01:16.300 got a call from some parents of a little girl who came home from school with $500 in her lunchbox.
00:01:27.140 And they said to the child,
00:01:29.140 Honey, where did you get that money?
00:01:30.940 And she said, Oh, I got it from the man in the big house.
00:01:35.820 And they said, Well, why did he give you $500?
00:01:40.040 And she said, Because I touched his pee-pee.
00:01:44.140 They immediately called the police.
00:01:46.720 And Michael Ryder, the police chief who was an honest man,
00:01:51.200 launched an immediate six-month undercover investigation
00:01:55.380 into the high-flying billionaire financier, Jeffrey Epstein.
00:02:01.160 At the end of that investigation, Chief Ryder gave the state's attorney in Palm Beach County
00:02:10.000 evidence to indict Jeffrey Epstein on 33 counts of child sex trafficking
00:02:17.440 and 33 accounts of statutory rape.
00:02:22.840 Then Ryder was shocked when the state's attorney turned around and charged Jeffrey Epstein
00:02:31.820 with one count of solicitation.
00:02:34.580 That's like walking into a bar and soliciting a hooker.
00:02:41.180 It's a slap on the wrist.
00:02:43.480 Then the chief knew something wasn't right,
00:02:48.620 knew that the state's attorney had either been threatened or bribed.
00:02:52.900 In the meantime, Jeffrey Epstein had hired an all-star team of criminal defense lawyers,
00:02:59.360 including Alan Dershowitz, Leon Black, Gerald Lefcourt, and others.
00:03:07.800 They negotiated the slap on the wrist that Epstein received.
00:03:14.320 He ultimately got an 18-month sentence of which he only served 15 months.
00:03:21.080 And he was the only prisoner convicted of sex crimes in the history of the state of Florida
00:03:27.680 to serve his sentence in the newly renovated and air-conditioned Palm Beach County Jail,
00:03:36.360 where he was only required to be in jail from, if I can get this right,
00:03:43.680 from 10 o'clock at night until 6 o'clock in the morning.
00:03:47.740 Otherwise, he was free to go about his business.
00:03:50.840 In fact, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office provided an SUV and a security detail for him during the day.
00:03:59.100 It is extraordinary to me that we're now being told that there's no evidence that he engaged in child sex trafficking.
00:04:12.920 There's no evidence that he was blackmailing anyone.
00:04:17.140 There's no evidence that he was working for a government agency.
00:04:22.040 Why? Because that's simply not true.
00:04:24.440 We have the document produced by Laura Loomer and others that shows that he reached an agreement
00:04:31.360 to become an informant for the FBI and that they were willing to look the other way on his child sex activities
00:04:41.100 if he would become an informant regarding corruption on Wall Street.
00:04:45.900 We have the comment of U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta, who reviewed the state charges in Florida
00:04:59.800 after Chief Ryder complained that the state prosecutor had either been compromised or threatened.
00:05:08.740 and it was Acosta, who when he went for confirmation hearings in the U.S. Senate
00:05:17.780 after being appointed the Secretary of Labor, who said that he had been contacted by the CIA
00:05:26.800 when he was reviewing the Epstein case and told that Epstein was a CIA asset
00:05:33.820 and that he should just rubber stamp the state case and then seal it.
00:05:41.900 It's only because of a valiant three-year legal battle by the Palm Beach Post
00:05:48.260 that the details of Epstein's Florida case are known to us.
00:05:55.840 Now, I caused a furor on X recently when I pointed out that, for some reason, Steve Bannon,
00:06:05.680 who holds him out to be a great supporter of President Trump and MAGA,
00:06:10.160 visited Jeffrey Epstein at his New York apartment,
00:06:15.500 visited Jeffrey Epstein at his opulent Paris apartment,
00:06:20.720 both reported by the New York Post,
00:06:23.460 and that he filmed a 15-hour's worth of film for a documentary with Jeffrey Epstein.
00:06:32.320 Why would anyone associate with someone who had been convicted of these crimes in Florida?
00:06:40.900 Meanwhile, Kash Patel, for whom I have the highest possible personal regard,
00:06:48.520 and Attorney General Pam Bondi suddenly now insist that there's no evidence
00:06:56.600 that Epstein was engaged in the activities that he was charged with in July of 2019
00:07:04.860 in the Southern District of New York.
00:07:08.000 How can this issue be resolved?
00:07:11.140 I think the answer is really quite simple.
00:07:13.820 Attorney General Bondi needs to direct the interim U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York
00:07:23.700 to move in federal court to unseal the grand jury testimony
00:07:30.540 that got Epstein indicted on two charges.
00:07:35.420 The first charge was committing child sex trafficking.
00:07:40.520 The second charge, conspiracy to commit child sex trafficking.
00:07:46.800 By the way, the conspiracy charge requires other conspirators.
00:07:51.780 One cannot conduct a conspiracy all by themselves.
00:07:55.980 At the same time, they should also move to unseal the search warrants
00:08:02.180 that were issued by the Southern District of New York for Epstein's island
00:08:08.480 as well as his New York residents.
00:08:13.200 Why are these materials sealed?
00:08:15.160 Well, the prosecutor in the case, Maureen Comey,
00:08:20.040 who just happens to be the daughter of former FBI Director James Comey,
00:08:26.100 has sealed them or asked the federal court to seal them.
00:08:29.620 President Trump could clear the air very quickly
00:08:33.780 by asking a federal judge in New York to release these sealed documents.
00:08:40.440 If a Democrat-appointed judge, a judge appointed by either Joe Biden
00:08:46.660 or Barack Obama, refuses to unseal those documents,
00:08:52.540 well, that would tell us just about everything.
00:08:56.560 In the meantime, I must tell you I find personal satisfaction
00:09:04.420 in the fact that a new report by CIA Director John Radcliffe
00:09:12.540 proves that the Russian collusion hoax
00:09:17.740 in which I myself got jammed up when they tried to frame me
00:09:23.320 simply because I have my 50-year friend of President Donald Trump
00:09:28.860 and because I refuse to testify falsely against him.
00:09:34.140 You see, after Robert Mueller spent $30 million on an investigation,
00:09:40.440 an investigation in which he had unlimited budget
00:09:43.600 in unlimited federal jurisdiction,
00:09:46.120 he could look into any crime he wanted to,
00:09:49.200 very rare in the case of a special prosecutor, special counsel.
00:09:55.120 The special counsel law had actually expired,
00:09:58.560 so Bill Barr gave him extraordinary powers
00:10:02.560 to poke into anything he wanted to.
00:10:06.120 After they looked at all my financial records,
00:10:09.860 my tax returns and could find nothing,
00:10:12.400 after they looked at all my emails, all my text messages,
00:10:16.980 all my phone calls, and they could find nothing,
00:10:21.340 they ended up charging me on the convoluted claim
00:10:26.180 that I had lied to Congress under oath
00:10:29.600 regarding the Russian collusion that never actually happened.
00:10:33.620 How does one lie about something that never happened?
00:10:37.580 I made some misstatements in my testimony,
00:10:41.840 but to violate the False Statements Act,
00:10:45.040 your false statement has to be willful,
00:10:47.840 and you have to be covering up some underlying federal crime.
00:10:52.740 My testimony is innocuous.
00:10:54.960 It did neither one.
00:10:56.860 No, the idea was to pressure me
00:10:59.060 to testify falsely against President Donald Trump
00:11:02.480 because they had come up empty-handed
00:11:05.260 in their efforts to find any evidence of Russian collusion.
00:11:10.180 Well, I understand that they can indict a ham sandwich,
00:11:13.940 but I refused to be the ham in Mr. Mueller's sandwich,
00:11:18.480 and I refused to testify falsely.
00:11:21.240 In fact, I had taken not one, but two polygraph tests,
00:11:24.980 lie detector tests,
00:11:26.480 conducted by the same people who do the testing
00:11:29.540 for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI,
00:11:33.680 that proved that I had not engaged in Russian collusion,
00:11:38.820 that proved that I had not received anything from WikiLeaks.
00:11:43.600 In fact, the only cursory contact I had with WikiLeaks
00:11:47.580 was when they told me to buzz off.
00:11:49.580 Yet, I lived through a nightmare,
00:11:53.680 which for two years, on a weekly basis,
00:11:56.960 Robert Mueller's thugs leaked stories
00:12:00.180 that my indictment for treason,
00:12:03.360 for conspiracy against the United States,
00:12:06.200 for being the kingpin of the Russian collusion,
00:12:10.320 was imminent.
00:12:11.880 They never called me before a grand jury.
00:12:14.420 I never had an opportunity to defend myself.
00:12:17.760 It was a nightmare,
00:12:19.540 a nightmare in which I lost everything.
00:12:21.420 I lost my home, my savings, my insurance,
00:12:25.160 my ability to make a living,
00:12:27.220 because once I was charged,
00:12:28.840 a vengeful and hateful anti-Trump federal judge,
00:12:33.180 who would later withhold exculpatory evidence
00:12:36.340 from my defense attorneys,
00:12:38.840 gagged me so that I could not speak or write,
00:12:42.800 which are the two principal ways I make a living.
00:12:46.200 Now, this new report by CIA director John Radcliffe
00:12:51.720 proves that the whole thing was a fugazi,
00:12:55.720 that John Brennan, the corrupt CIA director,
00:12:59.440 pushed to include in the intelligence community assessment report
00:13:04.680 to Barack Obama the so-called Steele dossier.
00:13:08.540 And the Steele dossier was a fraud,
00:13:12.220 was a fabrication put together and paid for
00:13:16.380 by Hillary Clinton and her campaign.
00:13:19.680 So now the FBI has announced that John Brennan
00:13:23.920 and James Comey are under federal investigation,
00:13:29.320 and I believe the indictment of both of them is imminent.
00:13:33.600 All of this proves that there is a God in heaven,
00:13:38.760 but vengeance is reserved for the Lord.
00:13:42.560 I'm Roger Stone.
00:13:43.760 You're in the Stone Zone.
00:13:45.000 Don't go away, because we'll be right back.
00:13:48.380 The Stone Zone on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
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00:14:29.800 The Stone Zone.
00:14:32.040 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:14:35.640 And we're back in the zone.
00:14:38.360 Joining us shortly is Lee Smith.
00:14:40.600 He's the New York Times bestselling author
00:14:43.340 of The Plot Against the President.
00:14:45.320 He is probably the single most knowledgeable journalist in the country
00:14:52.140 when it comes to the illicit, illegal effort to take Donald Trump down
00:14:57.580 in the Russian collusion hoax,
00:14:59.880 which stands as the single greatest dirty trick in American political history.
00:15:04.800 It was an abuse of power that used the full authority of the United States government
00:15:12.600 and the incredible capability of our intelligence agencies,
00:15:17.280 utilizing what they knew were two pieces of fabricated evidence.
00:15:22.920 The Steele dossier, which we just spoke about,
00:15:25.840 that was a report that falsely claimed that Donald Trump had dallied with prostitutes in Moscow
00:15:34.340 and had watched them urinate on a bed that had once been inhabited by President Barack Obama
00:15:43.180 and his wife.
00:15:44.260 It was a total fraud paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign.
00:15:49.660 They disguised those payments as legal fees.
00:15:52.740 They got caught and they were later fined for it.
00:15:56.580 I think it was President Donald Trump who says Lee Smith is a great American patriot
00:16:01.620 who has understood from the very beginning that the radical left is the true threat to democracy.
00:16:08.980 I'm anxious to ask Lee Smith about these recent developments
00:16:13.380 because I actually believe that the new CIA report from John Radcliffe
00:16:19.400 is in fact a very shallow dive into the misconduct of the FBI, the CIA,
00:16:30.420 and the national security apparatus surrounding President Barack Obama.
00:16:37.540 And Lee Smith is the most knowledgeable person in the country on this question.
00:16:44.400 In the meantime, the other piece of good news is that the Director of National Intelligence,
00:16:48.900 Tulsi Gabbard, a longtime critic of the Deep State,
00:16:53.400 has announced that she has set up a Director's Initiative group
00:16:58.020 that will be reviewing all of this material.
00:17:02.620 And at the same time, the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rick Crawford,
00:17:09.000 has been working for eight months on a report,
00:17:12.720 which still includes a great deal of classified material.
00:17:16.740 Crawford says that the report by CIA Director Radcliffe
00:17:20.520 barely scratches the surface,
00:17:22.960 that it's a shallow dive into what really happened.
00:17:27.140 Meanwhile, FBI Director Kash Patel announced yesterday that both John Brennan
00:17:32.840 and James Comey, the FBI Director,
00:17:36.780 are now actively and formally under federal investigation.
00:17:42.400 Will we finally have accountability for the people
00:17:46.420 who pulled the greatest dirty trick in American political history?
00:17:51.420 It's beginning to look to me like that will be the case.
00:17:56.020 And just for me and my family,
00:17:59.620 who were virtually destroyed in this travesty,
00:18:04.400 we are looking forward to justice.
00:18:06.860 You're in the Stone Zone.
00:18:08.080 I'm Roger Stone.
00:18:09.640 Don't go away, because we'll be back with the great Lee Smith.
00:18:13.720 The Stone Zone.
00:18:15.400 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:18:17.420 And we're back in the Stone Zone.
00:18:33.340 Joining me now is Lee Smith.
00:18:35.440 He is the author of the New York Times bestseller,
00:18:38.780 The Plot Against the President,
00:18:40.340 that was subsequently made into one of the most powerful documentaries
00:18:45.160 I have ever seen.
00:18:46.840 He has a new book out, which is even more shocking, actually,
00:18:50.660 called Disappearing the President.
00:18:53.400 It is a shocking tale of how a shadow network of powerful partisan activists
00:19:00.460 have waged a years-long scorched-earth war
00:19:04.060 to eradicate and destroy President Donald Trump,
00:19:07.260 resorting to unprecedented campaign of domestic spying,
00:19:11.880 election rigging, brute force censorship,
00:19:14.480 and political violence,
00:19:16.160 and sabotaged countless other vital institutions
00:19:19.980 in their relentless effort to destroy Donald Trump.
00:19:23.900 There is literally no person in the country
00:19:27.040 more knowledgeable about the Russian collusion hoax
00:19:30.700 than Lee Smith,
00:19:32.180 and we are honored to have him with us today.
00:19:34.260 Lee, welcome back into the Stone Zone.
00:19:37.360 Roger, thank you so much for the really super kind introduction.
00:19:41.960 And like you, I'm excited to see movement on certain things, though.
00:19:47.840 I'm hopeful, but not certain we're going to get anything right now.
00:19:52.680 Yeah, I'm in the same position.
00:19:54.600 I think things are looking better.
00:19:56.440 I think the public focus on it is vitally important.
00:19:59.900 I'm sure that you had kind of the same reaction that I did
00:20:05.480 when I saw this report by CIA Director Radcliffe
00:20:10.160 that said that John Brennan, the disgraced CIA director,
00:20:18.420 the admitted communist,
00:20:19.660 he admitted that in the lie detector test,
00:20:22.620 the same John Brennan who got caught spying on a Senate committee
00:20:28.400 that was investigating his illegal use of torture as CIA director,
00:20:33.320 the same John Brennan who signed the visas
00:20:36.580 for four of the hijackers who attacked America on 9-11,
00:20:42.580 the same John Brennan who FBI counterintelligence agent John Guandolo
00:20:49.580 swears converted to radical Islam when he was the station chief in Riyadh,
00:20:55.280 pushed to include the largely discredited Steele dossier
00:21:02.900 in the president's intelligence community briefing.
00:21:10.500 You reported this long, long ago.
00:21:14.020 This was not news to you.
00:21:16.460 You had reported this.
00:21:18.220 We're well aware of it.
00:21:20.040 Now we have the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee,
00:21:23.500 Rick Crawford, who's a very good man,
00:21:26.020 saying that he thinks that Radcliffe's move
00:21:29.700 was really designed to preempt the report
00:21:33.220 that he's been working on for eight months
00:21:35.360 that includes a great deal more declassified documents,
00:21:39.780 a much, much deeper dive about the rot
00:21:43.600 and the corruption in our intelligence agencies.
00:21:47.320 So, Lee Smith, what say you?
00:21:48.640 Well, I mean, what Chairman Crawford is referring to is he's referring
00:21:54.840 to the House Intelligence Committee Russia report
00:21:58.480 that those guys are working on since, I mean,
00:22:01.520 since Devin Nunes ran that committee in 2017
00:22:05.560 is when they started that report.
00:22:07.700 And that report is extensive.
00:22:10.120 And that does talk about Brennan.
00:22:12.620 I mean, I haven't seen it.
00:22:14.360 I'm just saying what they've told me,
00:22:16.020 it's still classified that report.
00:22:17.800 I'm telling, I'm relaying the parts of that report
00:22:21.300 that they've told me about that can be talked about.
00:22:24.840 And, you know, we've seen it
00:22:26.260 because we've seen that reported now
00:22:28.880 that there are parts in the House Intelligence Committee,
00:22:33.280 you know, document that talk about Brennan,
00:22:36.360 that talk about the intelligence community assessment
00:22:40.280 and Russiagate.
00:22:41.800 Now, I don't think that.
00:22:43.420 I think that I think that director John Ratcliffe is a good guy.
00:22:48.380 I think he loves Donald Trump.
00:22:51.000 He supports Donald Trump.
00:22:52.760 So he's not trying to he's not trying to do anything underhanded.
00:22:56.740 But I agree with you, Roger.
00:22:58.300 I think that this report is, as other people have said,
00:23:01.360 it's a whitewash.
00:23:02.340 I mean, it's insane.
00:23:04.200 We've known most of this stuff for a long time,
00:23:06.820 and it doesn't really get to the it doesn't really advance anything new.
00:23:10.340 And there are different parts which absolutely cover up
00:23:12.520 for the bad things that Brennan and that group did.
00:23:15.280 I mean, there are just some astonishing things.
00:23:17.140 I really have to hope that your great audience,
00:23:21.700 your listeners are welcome to look it up and check it and check it out.
00:23:24.780 But, you know, we all have more important things to do with our lives.
00:23:28.980 So I'll just say the sort of ridiculous things that it's saying stuff like,
00:23:33.220 oh, yeah, it's still it's still a robust document using proper sourcing.
00:23:38.160 I'm like, this is just insane the way these bureaucrats talk about each other.
00:23:41.920 But, you know, I mean, we we all know that that's the kind of work
00:23:46.040 they were going to get.
00:23:46.980 If you tell the people at Langley here,
00:23:49.500 write a report on what people at Langley did.
00:23:52.200 That's absolutely the product they're going to turn around.
00:23:55.980 So, again, I don't think that director John Radcliffe is a bad guy.
00:23:59.780 I think he's a good guy, probably a great guy.
00:24:03.420 As as as Donald Trump's director of national intelligence
00:24:07.540 at the end of Donald Trump's first term,
00:24:09.820 Radcliffe declassified a whole bunch of really important documents.
00:24:12.960 So he's a good guy.
00:24:14.020 And we know a lot about Russiagate,
00:24:15.980 thanks to the efforts of John Radcliffe during Trump's first term.
00:24:19.060 So I don't think he's trying to obfuscate anything here.
00:24:21.360 But, yeah, we want that report that Devin Nunes started.
00:24:25.320 We the report that that Chairman Rick Crawford is talking about.
00:24:29.040 So those things are all really important for our understanding.
00:24:32.660 I'll just say that the craziest thing,
00:24:35.280 the craziest thing about about that document,
00:24:38.980 the craziest thing about the reporting afterwards is, well, yeah,
00:24:42.420 of course, Brennan and Comey wanted the dossier put into that
00:24:47.100 intelligence community assessment report because that's all they had.
00:24:50.480 There was never any evidence that Donald Trump was colluding,
00:24:57.120 conspiring, contacting Russia.
00:25:01.760 Never.
00:25:02.460 All they had was the dossier.
00:25:04.220 It had to go in the ICA.
00:25:06.440 And that's why Devin Nunes,
00:25:08.440 Devin Nunes in my first book on Russiagate,
00:25:12.360 the plot against the president.
00:25:13.740 That's why Devin Nunes called that intelligence community assessment
00:25:16.780 Obama's dossier.
00:25:18.200 And that's the title of one of my chapters in that book,
00:25:21.280 Obama's dossier.
00:25:22.600 So we've known this for a long time,
00:25:24.660 that they had to put that in there.
00:25:26.580 They had to put all that steel reporting in there because that's all they
00:25:30.020 ever had.
00:25:30.900 This whole fake story paid for by the Clinton campaign.
00:25:34.420 I completely agree with your assessment of John Radcliffe.
00:25:39.720 I think he's a good man.
00:25:41.160 And I think this has been an important contribution to getting public focus back
00:25:46.540 on the epic corruption of what I continue to call the greatest political dirty trick
00:25:52.120 in American history.
00:25:53.140 And certainly the greatest single abuse of power.
00:25:56.780 I'm sorry,
00:25:57.260 but Watergate pales in comparison to this.
00:26:01.400 Watergate was an operation.
00:26:03.540 A bunch of misguided private citizens broke into the Watergate.
00:26:07.940 I have my own theories about what they were looking for.
00:26:11.460 You can read it in the two books I've written about it.
00:26:13.700 It's not,
00:26:14.080 I'm going to get sidetracked on it.
00:26:15.360 But we also saw another example this week of the corruption,
00:26:23.860 I guess I have to call it,
00:26:25.420 in the games played by the CIA.
00:26:27.800 For six decades,
00:26:29.360 the Central Intelligence Agency insisted that they had no knowledge of Lee Harvey
00:26:35.620 Oswald.
00:26:36.280 They weren't tracking him.
00:26:37.320 He wasn't on their radar.
00:26:39.340 That turns out to be an egregious lie that they had him under surveillance.
00:26:45.360 They were monitoring all of his communications.
00:26:48.520 And those reports were not being handled by low-level bureaucrats.
00:26:52.580 They were going to the CIA director,
00:26:55.060 John McCone,
00:26:56.160 and to the then deputy director,
00:26:59.200 Richard Helms.
00:27:00.700 So they were not only,
00:27:03.000 in essence,
00:27:04.040 monitoring Oswald,
00:27:05.800 they were actually handling Oswald.
00:27:08.720 And they set up the famous altercation on the street in New Orleans,
00:27:14.640 in which Oswald was handing out pro-Castro leaflets
00:27:19.600 in an effort to establish the narrative that he was a communist.
00:27:24.500 By the way,
00:27:25.300 none of this,
00:27:25.800 in my opinion,
00:27:26.340 means that Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed John F. Kennedy,
00:27:29.800 because he didn't.
00:27:30.980 It's a story for another day.
00:27:33.380 But it does demonstrate the fact that even now,
00:27:36.800 with the president ordering the National Archives and all branches of government
00:27:41.660 to release all data regarding the murder of John F. Kennedy,
00:27:45.820 that the government held the so-called George Joannides documents back.
00:27:51.820 John F. Kennedy was the FBI official,
00:27:55.900 pardon me,
00:27:56.240 the CIA official in charge of overseeing the monitoring of Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:28:02.140 And he's also the CIA operative who was in charge to stonewall the 1978 House Select Committee
00:28:15.220 on Assassinations re-examination of the Kennedy assassination,
00:28:20.040 what the CIA flatly refused to cooperate in.
00:28:23.520 They turned over no documents,
00:28:25.180 they provided no witnesses,
00:28:26.660 and they answered no questions.
00:28:28.660 It just speaks to the epic corruption of the CIA.
00:28:35.520 There is no greater patriot than Devin Nunes,
00:28:39.080 who I think did an amazing job as the chairman of the committee.
00:28:43.620 Just having to put up with Adam Schiff every day,
00:28:46.160 he should get a medal for that.
00:28:47.960 Yes.
00:28:49.000 I mean,
00:28:49.520 this guy is the most incredible congenitor liar
00:28:56.520 in the history of American politics.
00:29:00.620 I'm sure you recall when he said that he had seen more than circumstantial evidence of Russian collusion.
00:29:07.660 Well,
00:29:08.280 congressmen,
00:29:08.920 produce it.
00:29:09.520 Where is it?
00:29:10.300 He never produced anything.
00:29:12.900 The fact that he continues to get away with these lies,
00:29:16.940 he actually got a promotion to the U.S. Senate,
00:29:19.000 it's hard to stomach,
00:29:21.940 to be quite honest with you.
00:29:25.360 I was happy to see Kash Patel announce that there's now an open investigation into Comey and Brennan,
00:29:32.100 because there's no question they need to be held accountable.
00:29:35.700 There are some statute of limitations questions.
00:29:39.040 What's interesting here is that both Brennan and Comey not only used the Steele dossier,
00:29:47.900 wedging it into the intelligence community assessment that was presented to Obama,
00:29:54.340 but as you pointed out,
00:29:56.200 Obama knew it was coming,
00:29:57.920 and he used it essentially as the rationale to authorize Crossfire Hurricane,
00:30:04.860 the CIA,
00:30:07.100 FBI effort to surveil and bring down Donald Trump,
00:30:12.440 also later used as the rationale for the appointment of Robert Mueller as the special counsel.
00:30:20.020 Well, this, by the way, is why I think they came back and pressured me.
00:30:24.880 As I say, after spending $30 million and conducting an exhaustive investigation,
00:30:32.400 they couldn't find the Russian collusion because it didn't exist.
00:30:38.320 Therefore, they decided that perhaps they could flip me and get me to testify falsely against the president,
00:30:45.280 which I refused to do.
00:30:47.740 There was no Russian collusion.
00:30:49.500 There was no WikiLeaks collaboration.
00:30:51.980 I passed not one, but two different polygraph tests on that very subject.
00:30:57.340 So I'm really very hopeful that they will be held to account here and that there will be indictments.
00:31:05.280 The problem here is one of statute of limitations, or maybe not.
00:31:09.980 I would make an argument that both Brennan and Comey engaged in treason,
00:31:14.920 and there is no statute of limitations on treason.
00:31:18.980 But while Brennan and Comey both lied before Congress about pushing to include the so-called Steele dossier in the Intelligence Committee's assessment,
00:31:31.740 later on, as late as 2020, in Brennan's interview with Special Counsel John Durham,
00:31:40.300 he yet again lied about that.
00:31:45.140 There may be some legal vulnerability there.
00:31:48.620 For reasons I don't understand, then Attorney General Bill Barr cleared Brennan of wrongdoing,
00:31:54.680 claiming falsely that the CIA had stayed in its lane.
00:31:59.980 I think there is also the possibility that Comey lied at a later date before Congress as well.
00:32:10.180 Well, I still have the same concern, which you and I have discussed,
00:32:14.500 which is that any indictment brought in the District of Columbia is going to get a hostile partisan judge,
00:32:24.080 going to get an all-Democrat jury,
00:32:27.400 and of course you have the coverage by the fake news media,
00:32:32.660 which will seek to discredit any accounting by these people.
00:32:38.460 I saw John Brennan yesterday on MSNBC.
00:32:41.560 This guy's arrogance just continues to blow my mind.
00:32:45.760 I mean, he's there yet repeating the same lie.
00:32:48.440 He basically said yesterday, oh no, I didn't do anything wrong.
00:32:51.720 I didn't push to include the Steele dossier when we know the exact opposite is true.
00:32:57.700 Lee?
00:32:58.240 Well, that's going to be the problem.
00:33:00.680 I mean, we're all reading the same reports about the...
00:33:04.460 And I don't know, it's just not clear to me yet if the FBI has announced an investigation,
00:33:10.560 because they're not really supposed to do that.
00:33:13.700 My sense is that what's been announced is that John Radcliffe made a criminal referral,
00:33:20.600 which went over to DOJ.
00:33:23.600 So I think that's what we know for sure.
00:33:26.640 I've seen reports that there's an FBI investigation now,
00:33:30.480 but that might be racing a little bit ahead.
00:33:34.480 But definitely Radcliffe made a referral for an investigation over at DOJ, FBI.
00:33:44.040 Yes, if it is a perjury charge, that's going to be a big problem,
00:33:47.100 because as I've been explaining in these different books,
00:33:50.620 I mean, look, no one called it the Steele dossier until January 2017,
00:33:56.580 when they were passing this thing around before they were not calling it the Steele dossier.
00:34:01.780 So just the idea, you know, I mean, Brennan has been weaseling out of this one for half a decade now.
00:34:09.780 For instance, Roger, there's an article.
00:34:13.260 I mean, I know all the press reports inside out.
00:34:16.180 I have all the dates.
00:34:17.380 It's June 23rd, 2017, Washington Post.
00:34:21.060 What the story is about, it's about how John Brennan put the Steele dossier on Barack Obama's desk,
00:34:28.520 that they sent it over.
00:34:30.420 I mean, did it really happen?
00:34:31.740 I don't know.
00:34:32.600 But John Brennan is the source for the story.
00:34:35.060 It was published in the Washington Post,
00:34:37.060 but it's never referred to as the Steele dossier in there.
00:34:40.640 So the idea that Brennan, you know, that Brennan somehow is going to get in trouble
00:34:46.880 because he said he didn't put the Steele dossier in there, it doesn't make sense to me.
00:34:52.560 They never called it that, right?
00:34:54.700 The way that they thought of it in an entirely different way, and they were very careful.
00:34:59.660 John Brennan, and I try to remind people of this, John Brennan is not a good guy.
00:35:03.840 He's a bad guy, but he's not a dumb guy.
00:35:06.180 And this is something that, you know, Congressman Nunes and Chairman Nunes, you know, repeated again and again.
00:35:11.780 He said, look, you know, Brennan is a very slippery guy.
00:35:14.240 These guys are not dummies.
00:35:17.480 They get to the head of these agencies and these institutions by being more clever as bureaucrats, right?
00:35:25.220 Not by being more patriotic or not by necessarily being the best at their jobs,
00:35:31.060 but by being more skillful bureaucrats who know how to use paperwork.
00:35:35.840 So the idea that they're going to catch Brennan on this, on a perjury charge, I don't see it.
00:35:44.460 I think there probably are different things.
00:35:46.780 And you mentioned before when Durham went to Langley to interview Brennan in August 2020.
00:35:54.180 I think that there are different things that may have happened.
00:35:58.780 And while Brennan was preparing for that interview, perhaps even in the aftermath, I'm hoping that DOJ and the FBI looks at that looks at that period.
00:36:10.180 But I think the 2017 period, again, you know, I can't speak to the statute of limitations, what it is exactly for every charge and how it might be extended.
00:36:20.540 It just seems to me that there are different places that if they're looking to hold John Brennan accountable for what he did,
00:36:26.680 it seems to me that maybe the preparation for that intelligence community assessment is not going to provide a lot of leads.
00:36:35.220 But that August 2020 meeting or interview with John Durham may be fruitful.
00:36:43.920 All right. We have to wrap it there.
00:36:46.280 I want to thank our guest, Lee Smith, the great Lee Smith.
00:36:50.820 Urge you to check out his book, Disappearing the President, the New York Times bestseller.
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00:37:19.720 Elon Musk has announced his intention to start a third party, calls it the America Party, said yesterday he's going to pitch the party around the administration's lack of full disclosure regarding Jeffrey Epstein.
00:37:38.880 In all honesty, I don't believe that that is an issue.
00:37:43.600 While I'm most interested and I'm concerned about it, and yes, I do want to know everything about Epstein and what he did, that's not an issue that will motivate voters.
00:37:53.940 Voters care about the cost of a gallon of gasoline, the cost of their groceries, whether they can safely walk in their neighborhood without being attacked by a dangerous, illegal immigrant.
00:38:07.100 I also think that Elon Musk is going to find that getting a third party on the ballot is much, much more difficult than he thinks.
00:38:17.700 Sure, he has plenty of money for the petition process, but collecting signatures for a concept rather than for a candidate, as you would do in a presidential year, will be much, much tougher than he thinks.
00:38:32.040 He may not remember this, but Donald Trump thoroughly explored running as a third party candidate in 2000, when his fellow billionaire, Ross Perot, urged him to run as the Reform Party candidate.
00:38:46.140 He took a hard and serious look at it, and then he ultimately concluded that one could only be elected president of the United States as either a Republican or a Democrat.
00:38:56.400 I'm Roger Stone. You've been in the Stone Zone. Until tomorrow, God bless you, and Godspeed.
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