The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 07-10-25

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:06.080 Welcome. You are entering the Stone Zone.

00:00:09.840 Well, the third day of the controversy regarding Jeffrey Epstein, the convicted pedophile, continues.

00:00:19.740 I have to admit that not since the election of President Donald Trump

00:00:25.380 have I seen this much discontent among the MAGA base and his supporters.

00:00:32.680 My phone is literally blowing up with phone calls and text messages

00:00:38.560 from people who are deeply disappointed in what many of them view as a cover-up.

00:00:46.780 I wrote a book in 2015, The Clinton's War on Women.

00:00:51.540 The longest chapter in the book is Chapter 7, entitled Orgy Island,

00:00:58.320 in which I laid out all of the criminal activities of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:01:04.540 I told the story from the beginning when the Palm Beach City police chief, Michael Ryder,

00:01:16.300 got a call from some parents of a little girl who came home from school with $500 in her lunchbox.

00:01:27.140 And they said to the child,

00:01:29.140 Honey, where did you get that money?

00:01:30.940 And she said, Oh, I got it from the man in the big house.

00:01:35.820 And they said, Well, why did he give you $500? 0.83

00:01:40.040 And she said, Because I touched his pee-pee. 0.83

00:01:44.140 They immediately called the police.

00:01:46.720 And Michael Ryder, the police chief who was an honest man,

00:01:51.200 launched an immediate six-month undercover investigation

00:01:55.380 into the high-flying billionaire financier, Jeffrey Epstein.

00:02:01.160 At the end of that investigation, Chief Ryder gave the state's attorney in Palm Beach County

00:02:10.000 evidence to indict Jeffrey Epstein on 33 counts of child sex trafficking

00:02:17.440 and 33 accounts of statutory rape.

00:02:22.840 Then Ryder was shocked when the state's attorney turned around and charged Jeffrey Epstein

00:02:31.820 with one count of solicitation. 0.97

00:02:34.580 That's like walking into a bar and soliciting a hooker. 0.98

00:02:41.180 It's a slap on the wrist. 0.98

00:02:43.480 Then the chief knew something wasn't right,

00:02:48.620 knew that the state's attorney had either been threatened or bribed.

00:02:52.900 In the meantime, Jeffrey Epstein had hired an all-star team of criminal defense lawyers,

00:02:59.360 including Alan Dershowitz, Leon Black, Gerald Lefcourt, and others.

00:03:07.800 They negotiated the slap on the wrist that Epstein received.

00:03:14.320 He ultimately got an 18-month sentence of which he only served 15 months.

00:03:21.080 And he was the only prisoner convicted of sex crimes in the history of the state of Florida

00:03:27.680 to serve his sentence in the newly renovated and air-conditioned Palm Beach County Jail,

00:03:36.360 where he was only required to be in jail from, if I can get this right,

00:03:43.680 from 10 o'clock at night until 6 o'clock in the morning.

00:03:47.740 Otherwise, he was free to go about his business.

00:03:50.840 In fact, the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office provided an SUV and a security detail for him during the day.

00:03:59.100 It is extraordinary to me that we're now being told that there's no evidence that he engaged in child sex trafficking.

00:04:12.920 There's no evidence that he was blackmailing anyone.

00:04:17.140 There's no evidence that he was working for a government agency.

00:04:22.040 Why? Because that's simply not true.

00:04:24.440 We have the document produced by Laura Loomer and others that shows that he reached an agreement

00:04:31.360 to become an informant for the FBI and that they were willing to look the other way on his child sex activities

00:04:41.100 if he would become an informant regarding corruption on Wall Street.

00:04:45.900 We have the comment of U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta, who reviewed the state charges in Florida

00:04:59.800 after Chief Ryder complained that the state prosecutor had either been compromised or threatened.

00:05:08.740 and it was Acosta, who when he went for confirmation hearings in the U.S. Senate

00:05:17.780 after being appointed the Secretary of Labor, who said that he had been contacted by the CIA

00:05:26.800 when he was reviewing the Epstein case and told that Epstein was a CIA asset

00:05:33.820 and that he should just rubber stamp the state case and then seal it.

00:05:41.900 It's only because of a valiant three-year legal battle by the Palm Beach Post

00:05:48.260 that the details of Epstein's Florida case are known to us.

00:05:55.840 Now, I caused a furor on X recently when I pointed out that, for some reason, Steve Bannon,

00:06:05.680 who holds him out to be a great supporter of President Trump and MAGA,

00:06:10.160 visited Jeffrey Epstein at his New York apartment,

00:06:15.500 visited Jeffrey Epstein at his opulent Paris apartment,

00:06:20.720 both reported by the New York Post,

00:06:23.460 and that he filmed a 15-hour's worth of film for a documentary with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:06:32.320 Why would anyone associate with someone who had been convicted of these crimes in Florida?

00:06:40.900 Meanwhile, Kash Patel, for whom I have the highest possible personal regard,

00:06:48.520 and Attorney General Pam Bondi suddenly now insist that there's no evidence

00:06:56.600 that Epstein was engaged in the activities that he was charged with in July of 2019

00:07:04.860 in the Southern District of New York.

00:07:08.000 How can this issue be resolved?

00:07:11.140 I think the answer is really quite simple.

00:07:13.820 Attorney General Bondi needs to direct the interim U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York

00:07:23.700 to move in federal court to unseal the grand jury testimony

00:07:30.540 that got Epstein indicted on two charges.

00:07:35.420 The first charge was committing child sex trafficking.

00:07:40.520 The second charge, conspiracy to commit child sex trafficking.

00:07:46.800 By the way, the conspiracy charge requires other conspirators.

00:07:51.780 One cannot conduct a conspiracy all by themselves.

00:07:55.980 At the same time, they should also move to unseal the search warrants

00:08:02.180 that were issued by the Southern District of New York for Epstein's island

00:08:08.480 as well as his New York residents.

00:08:13.200 Why are these materials sealed?

00:08:15.160 Well, the prosecutor in the case, Maureen Comey,

00:08:20.040 who just happens to be the daughter of former FBI Director James Comey,

00:08:26.100 has sealed them or asked the federal court to seal them.

00:08:29.620 President Trump could clear the air very quickly

00:08:33.780 by asking a federal judge in New York to release these sealed documents.

00:08:40.440 If a Democrat-appointed judge, a judge appointed by either Joe Biden

00:08:46.660 or Barack Obama, refuses to unseal those documents,

00:08:52.540 well, that would tell us just about everything.

00:08:56.560 In the meantime, I must tell you I find personal satisfaction

00:09:04.420 in the fact that a new report by CIA Director John Radcliffe

00:09:12.540 proves that the Russian collusion hoax

00:09:17.740 in which I myself got jammed up when they tried to frame me

00:09:23.320 simply because I have my 50-year friend of President Donald Trump

00:09:28.860 and because I refuse to testify falsely against him.

00:09:34.140 You see, after Robert Mueller spent $30 million on an investigation,

00:09:40.440 an investigation in which he had unlimited budget

00:09:43.600 in unlimited federal jurisdiction,

00:09:46.120 he could look into any crime he wanted to,

00:09:49.200 very rare in the case of a special prosecutor, special counsel.

00:09:55.120 The special counsel law had actually expired,

00:09:58.560 so Bill Barr gave him extraordinary powers

00:10:02.560 to poke into anything he wanted to.

00:10:06.120 After they looked at all my financial records,

00:10:09.860 my tax returns and could find nothing,

00:10:12.400 after they looked at all my emails, all my text messages,

00:10:16.980 all my phone calls, and they could find nothing,

00:10:21.340 they ended up charging me on the convoluted claim

00:10:26.180 that I had lied to Congress under oath

00:10:29.600 regarding the Russian collusion that never actually happened.

00:10:33.620 How does one lie about something that never happened?

00:10:37.580 I made some misstatements in my testimony,

00:10:41.840 but to violate the False Statements Act,

00:10:45.040 your false statement has to be willful,

00:10:47.840 and you have to be covering up some underlying federal crime.

00:10:52.740 My testimony is innocuous.

00:10:54.960 It did neither one.

00:10:56.860 No, the idea was to pressure me

00:10:59.060 to testify falsely against President Donald Trump

00:11:02.480 because they had come up empty-handed

00:11:05.260 in their efforts to find any evidence of Russian collusion.

00:11:10.180 Well, I understand that they can indict a ham sandwich,

00:11:13.940 but I refused to be the ham in Mr. Mueller's sandwich,

00:11:18.480 and I refused to testify falsely.

00:11:21.240 In fact, I had taken not one, but two polygraph tests,

00:11:24.980 lie detector tests,

00:11:26.480 conducted by the same people who do the testing

00:11:29.540 for the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the FBI,

00:11:33.680 that proved that I had not engaged in Russian collusion,

00:11:38.820 that proved that I had not received anything from WikiLeaks.

00:11:43.600 In fact, the only cursory contact I had with WikiLeaks

00:11:47.580 was when they told me to buzz off.

00:11:49.580 Yet, I lived through a nightmare,

00:11:53.680 which for two years, on a weekly basis,

00:11:56.960 Robert Mueller's thugs leaked stories

00:12:00.180 that my indictment for treason,

00:12:03.360 for conspiracy against the United States,

00:12:06.200 for being the kingpin of the Russian collusion,

00:12:10.320 was imminent.

00:12:11.880 They never called me before a grand jury.

00:12:14.420 I never had an opportunity to defend myself.

00:12:17.760 It was a nightmare,

00:12:19.540 a nightmare in which I lost everything.

00:12:21.420 I lost my home, my savings, my insurance,

00:12:25.160 my ability to make a living,

00:12:27.220 because once I was charged,

00:12:28.840 a vengeful and hateful anti-Trump federal judge,

00:12:33.180 who would later withhold exculpatory evidence

00:12:36.340 from my defense attorneys,

00:12:38.840 gagged me so that I could not speak or write,

00:12:42.800 which are the two principal ways I make a living.

00:12:46.200 Now, this new report by CIA director John Radcliffe

00:12:51.720 proves that the whole thing was a fugazi, 0.51

00:12:55.720 that John Brennan, the corrupt CIA director,

00:12:59.440 pushed to include in the intelligence community assessment report

00:13:04.680 to Barack Obama the so-called Steele dossier.

00:13:08.540 And the Steele dossier was a fraud,

00:13:12.220 was a fabrication put together and paid for

00:13:16.380 by Hillary Clinton and her campaign.

00:13:19.680 So now the FBI has announced that John Brennan

00:13:23.920 and James Comey are under federal investigation,

00:13:29.320 and I believe the indictment of both of them is imminent.

00:13:33.600 All of this proves that there is a God in heaven,

00:13:38.760 but vengeance is reserved for the Lord.

00:13:42.560 I'm Roger Stone.

00:13:43.760 You're in the Stone Zone.

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00:14:35.640 And we're back in the zone.

00:14:38.360 Joining us shortly is Lee Smith.

00:14:40.600 He's the New York Times bestselling author

00:14:43.340 of The Plot Against the President.

00:14:45.320 He is probably the single most knowledgeable journalist in the country

00:14:52.140 when it comes to the illicit, illegal effort to take Donald Trump down

00:14:57.580 in the Russian collusion hoax,

00:14:59.880 which stands as the single greatest dirty trick in American political history.

00:15:04.800 It was an abuse of power that used the full authority of the United States government

00:15:12.600 and the incredible capability of our intelligence agencies,

00:15:17.280 utilizing what they knew were two pieces of fabricated evidence.

00:15:22.920 The Steele dossier, which we just spoke about,

00:15:25.840 that was a report that falsely claimed that Donald Trump had dallied with prostitutes in Moscow

00:15:34.340 and had watched them urinate on a bed that had once been inhabited by President Barack Obama 0.52

00:15:43.180 and his wife.

00:15:44.260 It was a total fraud paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign.

00:15:49.660 They disguised those payments as legal fees.

00:15:52.740 They got caught and they were later fined for it.

00:15:56.580 I think it was President Donald Trump who says Lee Smith is a great American patriot

00:16:01.620 who has understood from the very beginning that the radical left is the true threat to democracy.

00:16:08.980 I'm anxious to ask Lee Smith about these recent developments

00:16:13.380 because I actually believe that the new CIA report from John Radcliffe

00:16:19.400 is in fact a very shallow dive into the misconduct of the FBI, the CIA,

00:16:30.420 and the national security apparatus surrounding President Barack Obama.

00:16:37.540 And Lee Smith is the most knowledgeable person in the country on this question.

00:16:44.400 In the meantime, the other piece of good news is that the Director of National Intelligence,

00:16:48.900 Tulsi Gabbard, a longtime critic of the Deep State,

00:16:53.400 has announced that she has set up a Director's Initiative group

00:16:58.020 that will be reviewing all of this material.

00:17:02.620 And at the same time, the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rick Crawford,

00:17:09.000 has been working for eight months on a report,

00:17:12.720 which still includes a great deal of classified material.

00:17:16.740 Crawford says that the report by CIA Director Radcliffe

00:17:20.520 barely scratches the surface,

00:17:22.960 that it's a shallow dive into what really happened.

00:17:27.140 Meanwhile, FBI Director Kash Patel announced yesterday that both John Brennan

00:17:32.840 and James Comey, the FBI Director,

00:17:36.780 are now actively and formally under federal investigation.

00:17:42.400 Will we finally have accountability for the people

00:17:46.420 who pulled the greatest dirty trick in American political history?

00:17:51.420 It's beginning to look to me like that will be the case.

00:17:56.020 And just for me and my family,

00:17:59.620 who were virtually destroyed in this travesty,

00:18:04.400 we are looking forward to justice.

00:18:06.860 You're in the Stone Zone.

00:18:08.080 I'm Roger Stone.

00:18:09.640 Don't go away, because we'll be back with the great Lee Smith.

00:18:13.720 The Stone Zone.

00:18:15.400 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:18:17.420 And we're back in the Stone Zone.

00:18:33.340 Joining me now is Lee Smith.

00:18:35.440 He is the author of the New York Times bestseller,

00:18:38.780 The Plot Against the President,

00:18:40.340 that was subsequently made into one of the most powerful documentaries

00:18:45.160 I have ever seen.

00:18:46.840 He has a new book out, which is even more shocking, actually,

00:18:50.660 called Disappearing the President.

00:18:53.400 It is a shocking tale of how a shadow network of powerful partisan activists

00:19:00.460 have waged a years-long scorched-earth war

00:19:04.060 to eradicate and destroy President Donald Trump,

00:19:07.260 resorting to unprecedented campaign of domestic spying, 0.98

00:19:11.880 election rigging, brute force censorship,

00:19:14.480 and political violence,

00:19:16.160 and sabotaged countless other vital institutions

00:19:19.980 in their relentless effort to destroy Donald Trump.

00:19:23.900 There is literally no person in the country

00:19:27.040 more knowledgeable about the Russian collusion hoax

00:19:30.700 than Lee Smith,

00:19:32.180 and we are honored to have him with us today.

00:19:34.260 Lee, welcome back into the Stone Zone.

00:19:37.360 Roger, thank you so much for the really super kind introduction.

00:19:41.960 And like you, I'm excited to see movement on certain things, though.

00:19:47.840 I'm hopeful, but not certain we're going to get anything right now.

00:19:52.680 Yeah, I'm in the same position.

00:19:54.600 I think things are looking better.

00:19:56.440 I think the public focus on it is vitally important.

00:19:59.900 I'm sure that you had kind of the same reaction that I did

00:20:05.480 when I saw this report by CIA Director Radcliffe

00:20:10.160 that said that John Brennan, the disgraced CIA director,

00:20:18.420 the admitted communist,

00:20:19.660 he admitted that in the lie detector test,

00:20:22.620 the same John Brennan who got caught spying on a Senate committee

00:20:28.400 that was investigating his illegal use of torture as CIA director,

00:20:33.320 the same John Brennan who signed the visas

00:20:36.580 for four of the hijackers who attacked America on 9-11,

00:20:42.580 the same John Brennan who FBI counterintelligence agent John Guandolo

00:20:49.580 swears converted to radical Islam when he was the station chief in Riyadh,

00:20:55.280 pushed to include the largely discredited Steele dossier

00:21:02.900 in the president's intelligence community briefing.

00:21:10.500 You reported this long, long ago.

00:21:14.020 This was not news to you.

00:21:16.460 You had reported this.

00:21:18.220 We're well aware of it.

00:21:20.040 Now we have the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee,

00:21:23.500 Rick Crawford, who's a very good man,

00:21:26.020 saying that he thinks that Radcliffe's move

00:21:29.700 was really designed to preempt the report

00:21:33.220 that he's been working on for eight months

00:21:35.360 that includes a great deal more declassified documents,

00:21:39.780 a much, much deeper dive about the rot

00:21:43.600 and the corruption in our intelligence agencies.

00:21:47.320 So, Lee Smith, what say you?

00:21:48.640 Well, I mean, what Chairman Crawford is referring to is he's referring

00:21:54.840 to the House Intelligence Committee Russia report

00:21:58.480 that those guys are working on since, I mean,

00:22:01.520 since Devin Nunes ran that committee in 2017

00:22:05.560 is when they started that report.

00:22:07.700 And that report is extensive.

00:22:10.120 And that does talk about Brennan.

00:22:12.620 I mean, I haven't seen it.

00:22:14.360 I'm just saying what they've told me,

00:22:16.020 it's still classified that report.

00:22:17.800 I'm telling, I'm relaying the parts of that report

00:22:21.300 that they've told me about that can be talked about.

00:22:24.840 And, you know, we've seen it

00:22:26.260 because we've seen that reported now

00:22:28.880 that there are parts in the House Intelligence Committee,

00:22:33.280 you know, document that talk about Brennan,

00:22:36.360 that talk about the intelligence community assessment

00:22:40.280 and Russiagate.

00:22:41.800 Now, I don't think that.

00:22:43.420 I think that I think that director John Ratcliffe is a good guy.

00:22:48.380 I think he loves Donald Trump.

00:22:51.000 He supports Donald Trump.

00:22:52.760 So he's not trying to he's not trying to do anything underhanded.

00:22:56.740 But I agree with you, Roger.

00:22:58.300 I think that this report is, as other people have said,

00:23:01.360 it's a whitewash.

00:23:02.340 I mean, it's insane.

00:23:04.200 We've known most of this stuff for a long time,

00:23:06.820 and it doesn't really get to the it doesn't really advance anything new.

00:23:10.340 And there are different parts which absolutely cover up

00:23:12.520 for the bad things that Brennan and that group did.

00:23:15.280 I mean, there are just some astonishing things.

00:23:17.140 I really have to hope that your great audience,

00:23:21.700 your listeners are welcome to look it up and check it and check it out.

00:23:24.780 But, you know, we all have more important things to do with our lives.

00:23:28.980 So I'll just say the sort of ridiculous things that it's saying stuff like,

00:23:33.220 oh, yeah, it's still it's still a robust document using proper sourcing.

00:23:38.160 I'm like, this is just insane the way these bureaucrats talk about each other.

00:23:41.920 But, you know, I mean, we we all know that that's the kind of work

00:23:46.040 they were going to get.

00:23:46.980 If you tell the people at Langley here,

00:23:49.500 write a report on what people at Langley did.

00:23:52.200 That's absolutely the product they're going to turn around.

00:23:55.980 So, again, I don't think that director John Radcliffe is a bad guy.

00:23:59.780 I think he's a good guy, probably a great guy.

00:24:03.420 As as as Donald Trump's director of national intelligence

00:24:07.540 at the end of Donald Trump's first term,

00:24:09.820 Radcliffe declassified a whole bunch of really important documents.

00:24:12.960 So he's a good guy.

00:24:14.020 And we know a lot about Russiagate,

00:24:15.980 thanks to the efforts of John Radcliffe during Trump's first term.

00:24:19.060 So I don't think he's trying to obfuscate anything here.

00:24:21.360 But, yeah, we want that report that Devin Nunes started.

00:24:25.320 We the report that that Chairman Rick Crawford is talking about.

00:24:29.040 So those things are all really important for our understanding.

00:24:32.660 I'll just say that the craziest thing,

00:24:35.280 the craziest thing about about that document,

00:24:38.980 the craziest thing about the reporting afterwards is, well, yeah,

00:24:42.420 of course, Brennan and Comey wanted the dossier put into that

00:24:47.100 intelligence community assessment report because that's all they had.

00:24:50.480 There was never any evidence that Donald Trump was colluding,

00:24:57.120 conspiring, contacting Russia.

00:25:01.760 Never.

00:25:02.460 All they had was the dossier.

00:25:04.220 It had to go in the ICA.

00:25:06.440 And that's why Devin Nunes,

00:25:08.440 Devin Nunes in my first book on Russiagate,

00:25:12.360 the plot against the president.

00:25:13.740 That's why Devin Nunes called that intelligence community assessment

00:25:16.780 Obama's dossier.

00:25:18.200 And that's the title of one of my chapters in that book,

00:25:21.280 Obama's dossier.

00:25:22.600 So we've known this for a long time,

00:25:24.660 that they had to put that in there.

00:25:26.580 They had to put all that steel reporting in there because that's all they

00:25:30.020 ever had.

00:25:30.900 This whole fake story paid for by the Clinton campaign.

00:25:34.420 I completely agree with your assessment of John Radcliffe.

00:25:39.720 I think he's a good man.

00:25:41.160 And I think this has been an important contribution to getting public focus back

00:25:46.540 on the epic corruption of what I continue to call the greatest political dirty trick

00:25:52.120 in American history.

00:25:53.140 And certainly the greatest single abuse of power.

00:25:56.780 I'm sorry,

00:25:57.260 but Watergate pales in comparison to this.

00:26:01.400 Watergate was an operation.

00:26:03.540 A bunch of misguided private citizens broke into the Watergate.

00:26:07.940 I have my own theories about what they were looking for.

00:26:11.460 You can read it in the two books I've written about it.

00:26:13.700 It's not,

00:26:14.080 I'm going to get sidetracked on it.

00:26:15.360 But we also saw another example this week of the corruption,

00:26:23.860 I guess I have to call it,

00:26:25.420 in the games played by the CIA.

00:26:27.800 For six decades,

00:26:29.360 the Central Intelligence Agency insisted that they had no knowledge of Lee Harvey

00:26:35.620 Oswald.

00:26:36.280 They weren't tracking him.

00:26:37.320 He wasn't on their radar.

00:26:39.340 That turns out to be an egregious lie that they had him under surveillance.

00:26:45.360 They were monitoring all of his communications.

00:26:48.520 And those reports were not being handled by low-level bureaucrats.

00:26:52.580 They were going to the CIA director,

00:26:55.060 John McCone,

00:26:56.160 and to the then deputy director,

00:26:59.200 Richard Helms.

00:27:00.700 So they were not only,

00:27:03.000 in essence,

00:27:04.040 monitoring Oswald,

00:27:05.800 they were actually handling Oswald.

00:27:08.720 And they set up the famous altercation on the street in New Orleans,

00:27:14.640 in which Oswald was handing out pro-Castro leaflets

00:27:19.600 in an effort to establish the narrative that he was a communist.

00:27:24.500 By the way,

00:27:25.300 none of this,

00:27:25.800 in my opinion,

00:27:26.340 means that Lee Harvey Oswald shot and killed John F. Kennedy,

00:27:29.800 because he didn't.

00:27:30.980 It's a story for another day.

00:27:33.380 But it does demonstrate the fact that even now,

00:27:36.800 with the president ordering the National Archives and all branches of government

00:27:41.660 to release all data regarding the murder of John F. Kennedy,

00:27:45.820 that the government held the so-called George Joannides documents back.

00:27:51.820 John F. Kennedy was the FBI official,

00:27:55.900 pardon me,

00:27:56.240 the CIA official in charge of overseeing the monitoring of Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:28:02.140 And he's also the CIA operative who was in charge to stonewall the 1978 House Select Committee

00:28:15.220 on Assassinations re-examination of the Kennedy assassination,

00:28:20.040 what the CIA flatly refused to cooperate in.

00:28:23.520 They turned over no documents,

00:28:25.180 they provided no witnesses,

00:28:26.660 and they answered no questions.

00:28:28.660 It just speaks to the epic corruption of the CIA.

00:28:35.520 There is no greater patriot than Devin Nunes,

00:28:39.080 who I think did an amazing job as the chairman of the committee.

00:28:43.620 Just having to put up with Adam Schiff every day,

00:28:46.160 he should get a medal for that.

00:28:47.960 Yes.

00:28:49.000 I mean, 1.00

00:28:49.520 this guy is the most incredible congenitor liar 0.99

00:28:56.520 in the history of American politics. 0.98

00:29:00.620 I'm sure you recall when he said that he had seen more than circumstantial evidence of Russian collusion.

00:29:07.660 Well,

00:29:08.280 congressmen,

00:29:08.920 produce it.

00:29:09.520 Where is it?

00:29:10.300 He never produced anything.

00:29:12.900 The fact that he continues to get away with these lies,

00:29:16.940 he actually got a promotion to the U.S. Senate,

00:29:19.000 it's hard to stomach,

00:29:21.940 to be quite honest with you.

00:29:25.360 I was happy to see Kash Patel announce that there's now an open investigation into Comey and Brennan,

00:29:32.100 because there's no question they need to be held accountable.

00:29:35.700 There are some statute of limitations questions.

00:29:39.040 What's interesting here is that both Brennan and Comey not only used the Steele dossier,

00:29:47.900 wedging it into the intelligence community assessment that was presented to Obama,

00:29:54.340 but as you pointed out,

00:29:56.200 Obama knew it was coming,

00:29:57.920 and he used it essentially as the rationale to authorize Crossfire Hurricane,

00:30:04.860 the CIA,

00:30:07.100 FBI effort to surveil and bring down Donald Trump,

00:30:12.440 also later used as the rationale for the appointment of Robert Mueller as the special counsel.

00:30:20.020 Well, this, by the way, is why I think they came back and pressured me.

00:30:24.880 As I say, after spending $30 million and conducting an exhaustive investigation,

00:30:32.400 they couldn't find the Russian collusion because it didn't exist.

00:30:38.320 Therefore, they decided that perhaps they could flip me and get me to testify falsely against the president,

00:30:45.280 which I refused to do.

00:30:47.740 There was no Russian collusion.

00:30:49.500 There was no WikiLeaks collaboration.

00:30:51.980 I passed not one, but two different polygraph tests on that very subject.

00:30:57.340 So I'm really very hopeful that they will be held to account here and that there will be indictments.

00:31:05.280 The problem here is one of statute of limitations, or maybe not.

00:31:09.980 I would make an argument that both Brennan and Comey engaged in treason,

00:31:14.920 and there is no statute of limitations on treason.

00:31:18.980 But while Brennan and Comey both lied before Congress about pushing to include the so-called Steele dossier in the Intelligence Committee's assessment,

00:31:31.740 later on, as late as 2020, in Brennan's interview with Special Counsel John Durham,

00:31:40.300 he yet again lied about that.

00:31:45.140 There may be some legal vulnerability there.

00:31:48.620 For reasons I don't understand, then Attorney General Bill Barr cleared Brennan of wrongdoing,

00:31:54.680 claiming falsely that the CIA had stayed in its lane.

00:31:59.980 I think there is also the possibility that Comey lied at a later date before Congress as well.

00:32:10.180 Well, I still have the same concern, which you and I have discussed,

00:32:14.500 which is that any indictment brought in the District of Columbia is going to get a hostile partisan judge,

00:32:24.080 going to get an all-Democrat jury,

00:32:27.400 and of course you have the coverage by the fake news media,

00:32:32.660 which will seek to discredit any accounting by these people.

00:32:38.460 I saw John Brennan yesterday on MSNBC.

00:32:41.560 This guy's arrogance just continues to blow my mind.

00:32:45.760 I mean, he's there yet repeating the same lie.

00:32:48.440 He basically said yesterday, oh no, I didn't do anything wrong.

00:32:51.720 I didn't push to include the Steele dossier when we know the exact opposite is true.

00:32:57.700 Lee?

00:32:58.240 Well, that's going to be the problem.

00:33:00.680 I mean, we're all reading the same reports about the...

00:33:04.460 And I don't know, it's just not clear to me yet if the FBI has announced an investigation,

00:33:10.560 because they're not really supposed to do that.

00:33:13.700 My sense is that what's been announced is that John Radcliffe made a criminal referral,

00:33:20.600 which went over to DOJ.

00:33:23.600 So I think that's what we know for sure.

00:33:26.640 I've seen reports that there's an FBI investigation now,

00:33:30.480 but that might be racing a little bit ahead.

00:33:34.480 But definitely Radcliffe made a referral for an investigation over at DOJ, FBI.

00:33:44.040 Yes, if it is a perjury charge, that's going to be a big problem,

00:33:47.100 because as I've been explaining in these different books,

00:33:50.620 I mean, look, no one called it the Steele dossier until January 2017,

00:33:56.580 when they were passing this thing around before they were not calling it the Steele dossier.

00:34:01.780 So just the idea, you know, I mean, Brennan has been weaseling out of this one for half a decade now.

00:34:09.780 For instance, Roger, there's an article.

00:34:13.260 I mean, I know all the press reports inside out.

00:34:16.180 I have all the dates.

00:34:17.380 It's June 23rd, 2017, Washington Post.

00:34:21.060 What the story is about, it's about how John Brennan put the Steele dossier on Barack Obama's desk,

00:34:28.520 that they sent it over.

00:34:30.420 I mean, did it really happen?

00:34:31.740 I don't know.

00:34:32.600 But John Brennan is the source for the story.

00:34:35.060 It was published in the Washington Post,

00:34:37.060 but it's never referred to as the Steele dossier in there.

00:34:40.640 So the idea that Brennan, you know, that Brennan somehow is going to get in trouble

00:34:46.880 because he said he didn't put the Steele dossier in there, it doesn't make sense to me.

00:34:52.560 They never called it that, right?

00:34:54.700 The way that they thought of it in an entirely different way, and they were very careful.

00:34:59.660 John Brennan, and I try to remind people of this, John Brennan is not a good guy. 0.78

00:35:03.840 He's a bad guy, but he's not a dumb guy.

00:35:06.180 And this is something that, you know, Congressman Nunes and Chairman Nunes, you know, repeated again and again. 0.94

00:35:11.780 He said, look, you know, Brennan is a very slippery guy.

00:35:14.240 These guys are not dummies.

00:35:17.480 They get to the head of these agencies and these institutions by being more clever as bureaucrats, right?

00:35:25.220 Not by being more patriotic or not by necessarily being the best at their jobs,

00:35:31.060 but by being more skillful bureaucrats who know how to use paperwork.

00:35:35.840 So the idea that they're going to catch Brennan on this, on a perjury charge, I don't see it.

00:35:44.460 I think there probably are different things.

00:35:46.780 And you mentioned before when Durham went to Langley to interview Brennan in August 2020.

00:35:54.180 I think that there are different things that may have happened.

00:35:58.780 And while Brennan was preparing for that interview, perhaps even in the aftermath, I'm hoping that DOJ and the FBI looks at that looks at that period.

00:36:10.180 But I think the 2017 period, again, you know, I can't speak to the statute of limitations, what it is exactly for every charge and how it might be extended.

00:36:20.540 It just seems to me that there are different places that if they're looking to hold John Brennan accountable for what he did,

00:36:26.680 it seems to me that maybe the preparation for that intelligence community assessment is not going to provide a lot of leads.

00:36:35.220 But that August 2020 meeting or interview with John Durham may be fruitful.

00:36:43.920 All right. We have to wrap it there.

00:36:46.280 I want to thank our guest, Lee Smith, the great Lee Smith.

00:36:50.820 Urge you to check out his book, Disappearing the President, the New York Times bestseller.

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00:37:19.720 Elon Musk has announced his intention to start a third party, calls it the America Party, said yesterday he's going to pitch the party around the administration's lack of full disclosure regarding Jeffrey Epstein.

00:37:38.880 In all honesty, I don't believe that that is an issue.

00:37:43.600 While I'm most interested and I'm concerned about it, and yes, I do want to know everything about Epstein and what he did, that's not an issue that will motivate voters.

00:37:53.940 Voters care about the cost of a gallon of gasoline, the cost of their groceries, whether they can safely walk in their neighborhood without being attacked by a dangerous, illegal immigrant. 1.00

00:38:07.100 I also think that Elon Musk is going to find that getting a third party on the ballot is much, much more difficult than he thinks.

00:38:17.700 Sure, he has plenty of money for the petition process, but collecting signatures for a concept rather than for a candidate, as you would do in a presidential year, will be much, much tougher than he thinks.

00:38:32.040 He may not remember this, but Donald Trump thoroughly explored running as a third party candidate in 2000, when his fellow billionaire, Ross Perot, urged him to run as the Reform Party candidate.

00:38:46.140 He took a hard and serious look at it, and then he ultimately concluded that one could only be elected president of the United States as either a Republican or a Democrat.

00:38:56.400 I'm Roger Stone. You've been in the Stone Zone. Until tomorrow, God bless you, and Godspeed.

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