The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


The Stone Zone | 08-06-25


Episode Stats

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

8


Summary

Roger Stone's take on Howard Stern's exit from Sirius XM and the U.S. Attorney's Office in Maryland's announcement that they are conducting a criminal investigation into Senator Adam Schiff of California over credible allegations of mortgage fraud.


Transcript

00:00:00.600 The Stone Zone. Entertaining and informative.
00:00:04.580 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:16.300 This is The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.
00:00:19.940 They went after a guy named Roger Stone who's sitting in the office.
00:00:23.660 And I'll say this in front of Roger, he's no baby.
00:00:26.020 And right now he's cleaner than anybody in this place.
00:00:28.920 No, they treated him very unfairly.
00:00:32.140 Now, get him a zone. It's The Stone Zone.
00:00:35.980 Here's Roger Stone.
00:00:38.620 You are now entering The Stone Zone.
00:00:42.720 Well, washed up shock jock Howard Stern is reportedly getting the axe from Sirius XM Radio.
00:00:49.880 The satellite radio provider announced that they will not be renewing his contract
00:00:54.080 at the same princely salary of $100 million when it is up at the end of the year,
00:01:00.400 which will effectively conclude Stern's 20-year run because it's unlikely that an egomaniac like Stern would ever consider taking a pay cut.
00:01:10.020 Howard Stern is typical of those who used Donald Trump to pump their ratings before Trump decided to get into politics and make America great again.
00:01:19.840 But then he turned on Trump like a rabid dog when Trump decided to enter the fray and become president of the United States.
00:01:28.760 Sirius XM is expected to negotiate a deal where they are able to air replays of Stern's show.
00:01:34.280 Back when he was a revelant cultural icon and produced an entertaining show, I, for one, kind of never got it.
00:01:41.520 I remember when my friend Mankow, who was the dominant shock jock in the windy city of Chicago,
00:01:48.560 drove Stern out of town, out pointing him in the ratings consistently.
00:01:54.120 Stern was once the voice of the working class Americans,
00:01:57.420 his peeve with increasingly political correctness, becoming incredibly popular for his raunchy, uncensored and sometimes illicit programming back in the 1980s and the 1990s.
00:02:10.840 But by the time the 2010s rolled around, Stern had become stale, eventually fell into wokeism,
00:02:17.600 and what I saw as a desperate attempt to stay irrelevant.
00:02:21.060 Stern became one of the loudest and most belligerent critics of Donald Trump, trashing him at every opportunity.
00:02:27.420 Howard Stern received plaudits from the fake news media as a result, but this only further alienated his core audience.
00:02:35.960 Now Sirius XM can no longer justify his profligate salary,
00:02:41.280 and Stern, in my opinion, will now fade into oblivion, being remembered mainly for his massive fall from grace.
00:02:48.580 There is no greater example of a sellout than Howard Stern,
00:02:51.720 a sad, weak man who became everything he once hated.
00:02:56.440 Good riddance from the airways, Howie.
00:02:59.360 I'd be glad to never hear you again.
00:03:02.500 Meanwhile, the U.S. Attorney's Office in Maryland has announced that they are conducting a criminal investigation
00:03:08.700 into Senator Adam Schiff of California over credible allegations of mortgage fraud.
00:03:15.480 This follows news that Schiff had previously received a criminal referral to the Department of Justice.
00:03:21.460 It was the director of the Federal Housing Finance Administration's fraud unit that first determined
00:03:29.840 that Congressman, now Senator Adam Schiff, had declared both his condominium in Burbank, California,
00:03:38.460 and his home in suburban Maryland as his principal legal residence.
00:03:44.300 He was exposed for declaring both of those as his political legal residence, pulling off a massive mortgage scam.
00:03:54.180 A memo from Fannie Mae's fraud unit asserts that Schiff submitted incorrect information about his properties
00:04:01.080 while applying for home loans, listing his primary residence first as his Burbank condo,
00:04:07.460 despite the property not being suitable for a family of four.
00:04:11.020 But then Schiff also lied about his primary residence in Burbank so he could receive a property tax reduction
00:04:16.720 in California under false pretenses.
00:04:20.480 Unfortunately, Schiff also declared his home in suburban Maryland,
00:04:24.280 which he refinanced four times as his principal legal residence.
00:04:29.420 So unlike what Schiff says, that Trump objects to him owning two homes, because that's incorrect,
00:04:36.360 what Trump objects to publicly is that Schiff has claimed both his homes as his principal legal residence
00:04:44.380 and therefore received favorable tax treatment, a lower mortgage rate,
00:04:50.540 and a lower insurance rate on both properties.
00:04:54.760 Apparently, Schiff believed he was above the law because of his Democrat connections.
00:04:58.760 I guess he didn't anticipate that President Donald Trump would be able to overcome
00:05:03.220 the entire Russiagate narrative that Schiff and his Democrat cronies completely concocted.
00:05:10.300 Now that Trump has completed his political comeback,
00:05:12.980 Shifty Adam Schiff is no longer being protected by the deep state.
00:05:17.420 His fancy title of senator does not put him above the law.
00:05:21.260 Hopefully, Schiff will receive justice soon,
00:05:23.400 hopefully not just for mortgage fraud,
00:05:26.200 but also for his involvement in the greatest single dirty trick
00:05:30.140 and abuse of power in American political history.
00:05:34.260 That would be the Russian collusion hoax.
00:05:37.760 Today, there is no longer any doubt whatsoever.
00:05:41.140 Based on the declassification of documents
00:05:43.860 by the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard,
00:05:48.040 and revelations made by CIA Director John Ratcliffe
00:05:52.700 that Schiff and others engaged in seditious conspiracy and treason
00:05:59.180 to try to use two pieces of fabricated evidence,
00:06:02.940 the Steele dossier and the false claim
00:06:05.740 that the Democrat National Committee had been the target of an online hack
00:06:11.120 by Russian intelligence as the rationale for the removal
00:06:16.120 of a duly elected president.
00:06:19.140 Hopefully, Schiff will face prosecution for far more than mortgage fraud,
00:06:24.140 but something he has in common with New York Attorney General Letitia James.
00:06:28.840 In her case, the Federal Housing and Finance Administration
00:06:32.780 found a 22-year crime spree
00:06:35.660 in which the New York Attorney General,
00:06:38.480 famous for saying that no one is above the law,
00:06:41.520 conducted multiple examples of mortgage fraud
00:06:44.760 involving properties in New York and Virginia.
00:06:48.660 You see, these politicians, particularly Democrats,
00:06:51.280 seem to think that they are above the law.
00:06:53.780 We'll soon see whether anyone is above the law.
00:06:57.080 Meanwhile, Elon Musk has demanded that President Trump
00:07:01.060 initiate a federal takeover of Washington, D.C.
00:07:04.520 The billionaires calling for President Trump
00:07:06.800 to initiate this federal takeover of our nation's capital
00:07:10.160 after one of Musk's doge lieutenants, Edward Big Balls Coristine,
00:07:16.380 was viciously beaten by a gang of thugs
00:07:19.220 after he attempted to intervene when he saw a group of young people
00:07:24.980 attempting to accost a young woman.
00:07:26.980 In response to President Trump's call to federalize Washington, D.C.,
00:07:32.120 billionaire Elon Musk concurred.
00:07:34.780 He said the following in an X post.
00:07:37.440 X used to be known as Twitter, today known as X.
00:07:40.280 A few days ago, a gang of about a dozen young men
00:07:43.900 tried to assault a woman in her car at night in D.C.
00:07:47.940 A Doge team member saw what was happening,
00:07:50.880 ran to her defense, and was severely beaten
00:07:53.360 to the point of concussion.
00:07:55.280 But he saved her.
00:07:56.780 It is time to federalize D.C.
00:07:59.680 This is a far cry from the Elon Musk of a few months ago
00:08:03.940 who was bemoaning the increase in federal authority
00:08:07.200 in the big, beautiful bill and demanding a third party.
00:08:12.940 Since then, we've learned that Elon Musk gave $15 million
00:08:16.900 to pro-Trump and pro-Republican super PACs
00:08:20.820 in the month of June alone.
00:08:23.220 And it seems like it may be time to, well,
00:08:25.840 bring Elon Musk back into the MAGA fold
00:08:28.740 as he has stood tall for free speech.
00:08:33.300 And I do think he played a significant role
00:08:35.320 in President Trump's victory
00:08:37.020 and the greatest comeback in political history.
00:08:40.500 We need him back in the tent.
00:08:42.480 He's demonstrated the tenacity,
00:08:44.660 and he certainly has the cash to be a valuable ally
00:08:48.240 in the 2026 elections.
00:08:52.200 Joining us a little later here in the Stone Zone,
00:08:55.120 David Schoen, the criminal defense attorney
00:08:57.920 who defended President Donald Trump
00:09:00.480 in his second impeachment trial,
00:09:03.160 joins us to talk about whether Barack Obama
00:09:05.900 has anything to worry about
00:09:07.500 in the burgeoning scandal
00:09:10.840 regarding the Russian collusion hoax.
00:09:14.020 Also, I'm going to ask him about that civil suit
00:09:16.960 that President Trump filed in Miami several years ago.
00:09:21.940 In that case, the entire Russian collusion case
00:09:26.500 was laid out in a civil lawsuit,
00:09:28.980 but the judge, who was a Clinton appointee,
00:09:31.960 not only dismissed the suit,
00:09:33.980 but he fined both Donald Trump
00:09:36.280 and his lawyer, Alina Haba,
00:09:38.320 $1 million apiece for even filing it.
00:09:42.440 Now that all of the assertions in the lawsuit
00:09:44.980 have been proven to be absolutely true,
00:09:47.500 I want to ask David Schoen what happens to that lawsuit.
00:09:52.060 In another shocking story,
00:09:53.760 Chinese engineers were able to access
00:09:56.000 crucial Pentagon files for years
00:09:58.800 by providing cloud computing support
00:10:01.700 through Microsoft.
00:10:03.440 Microsoft announced that they will be
00:10:05.240 cutting off these Chinese engineers
00:10:07.240 from accessing the data
00:10:08.520 following an expose by ProPublica.
00:10:12.400 Microsoft was revealed to be operating a system
00:10:15.200 where, quote-unquote, digital escorts from the U.S.
00:10:19.100 were used to relay tasks to Chinese engineers
00:10:22.400 who would do them more cheaply
00:10:24.480 than their American counterparts.
00:10:26.540 This opened the door for the communist Chinese engineers
00:10:29.860 to implant malicious code into the Pentagon systems.
00:10:35.020 After the scandal broke,
00:10:36.560 Microsoft said in a released statement,
00:10:39.160 In response to concerns raised earlier this week
00:10:43.740 about U.S.-supervised foreign engineers,
00:10:47.580 Microsoft has made changes to our support
00:10:50.120 for U.S. government customers
00:10:51.540 to assure that no China-based engineering teams
00:10:55.260 are providing technical assistance
00:10:57.420 for the Department of Defense,
00:10:59.680 government cloud, and related systems.
00:11:03.340 Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth,
00:11:05.540 he's among those stars appointed by Donald Trump
00:11:08.260 to his cabinet,
00:11:09.660 has vowed to root out agreements
00:11:11.500 between the Pentagon
00:11:12.480 and multinational corporations
00:11:15.020 that refuse to put America first.
00:11:18.040 Microsoft's actions show
00:11:19.400 how corporations have become beholden to China
00:11:22.500 because they have put the almighty dollar
00:11:24.980 ahead of what is best for the country
00:11:26.580 that made them so big to begin with.
00:11:29.220 This has resulted in the absurd policy
00:11:31.800 of putting Pentagon technology
00:11:34.240 in the hands of, quote,
00:11:35.820 digital escorts who are then given carte blanche
00:11:39.240 to Chinese agents to subvert
00:11:41.200 and undermine their policies
00:11:44.000 that should have never been considered
00:11:45.560 in the first place.
00:11:47.200 This should be a lesson
00:11:48.160 against giving big tech more ability
00:11:50.320 to make decisions over our military
00:11:52.700 as the values of big tech CEOs
00:11:55.380 do not necessarily align
00:11:57.720 with those of America first patriots.
00:12:01.020 Meanwhile, a man wearing
00:12:03.520 a Make America Great Again hat
00:12:06.080 was kicked out of a major league soccer game
00:12:08.620 in St. Louis,
00:12:09.800 showing how sports leagues
00:12:10.960 are still going woke
00:12:12.200 even after President Trump's victory last year.
00:12:16.300 The MLS rules state
00:12:18.440 that displaying signs, symbols,
00:12:20.640 or images for commercial purposes
00:12:22.480 or for electioneering, campaigning,
00:12:24.900 or advocating for or against any candidate,
00:12:27.860 political party, legislative issue,
00:12:30.460 or governmental action
00:12:31.480 is banned at their events.
00:12:34.400 So one could argue
00:12:35.540 that a man in the MAGA hat
00:12:37.200 was violating the league rules,
00:12:39.820 as silly as those rules may be.
00:12:42.200 To me, this is very clearly
00:12:43.680 a free speech First Amendment issue.
00:12:46.860 However, on the opposite side
00:12:49.040 of the stadium in the video,
00:12:50.760 you can see countless rainbow LGBT pride flags
00:12:55.340 flying without anyone hassling them
00:12:57.640 who are carrying them.
00:12:59.240 Those flags make as much
00:13:00.720 of a political statement
00:13:01.660 as a MAGA hat,
00:13:03.040 and they should both be allowed
00:13:04.640 as matters of free speech
00:13:06.720 protected by the First Amendment.
00:13:09.680 Republican soccer fans
00:13:10.940 should consider boycotting this team
00:13:12.780 or perhaps the entire soccer league
00:13:15.380 and putting the principles
00:13:16.780 of go woke, go broke
00:13:19.020 into place once again.
00:13:21.420 If you're just tuning in,
00:13:22.700 I'm Roger Stone,
00:13:23.760 and this is The Stone Zone.
00:13:25.020 On the Red Apple Audio Networks,
00:13:28.480 we're covering all the news here,
00:13:30.440 so whatever you do,
00:13:31.660 please don't touch that dial.
00:13:33.440 We'll be right back.
00:13:34.440 And of course, coming up,
00:13:35.380 we have Trump impeachment attorney
00:13:37.400 David Schoen,
00:13:38.640 who's going to bring down
00:13:39.840 the latest news
00:13:41.120 regarding the Russian collusion hoax
00:13:43.440 and who may be in line
00:13:46.040 for criminal indictment
00:13:47.560 in the greatest single dirty trick
00:13:49.860 and abuse of power
00:13:51.320 in American history.
00:13:52.820 Don't go away.
00:13:54.240 We'll be right back.
00:13:56.280 This is The Stone Zone
00:13:58.240 with Roger Stone.
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00:14:49.480 Now, get in the zone.
00:14:51.300 It's The Stone Zone.
00:14:53.220 Here's Roger Stone.
00:14:54.660 Welcome back to The Stone Zone
00:14:58.080 right here on the
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00:15:01.200 President Donald Trump
00:15:02.480 announced on Wednesday
00:15:03.940 that his special envoy to Russia,
00:15:05.800 Steve Witkoff,
00:15:07.100 had a highly productive meeting
00:15:08.780 where great progress was made,
00:15:11.000 to quote the president,
00:15:12.240 towards peace between Russia
00:15:13.640 and Ukraine.
00:15:15.240 President Trump has also stated
00:15:16.600 that everyone agrees
00:15:17.680 this war must come to a close
00:15:19.180 and we will work towards that
00:15:20.860 in the days and weeks to come.
00:15:22.440 This suggests that President Trump
00:15:25.180 might be willing to extend
00:15:26.280 his deadline for Putin
00:15:27.860 to come back to the table
00:15:29.020 beyond this week.
00:15:31.140 At first, the president announced
00:15:32.660 that Putin had a 50-day deadline.
00:15:35.560 Then he revised that
00:15:36.580 to say his deadline
00:15:37.400 was a mere 10 days.
00:15:39.780 President Trump has threatened
00:15:40.800 to sanction and put heavier tariffs
00:15:42.620 on Russia
00:15:43.200 and also to punish Russia's
00:15:45.000 trading partners
00:15:45.660 with secondary tariffs
00:15:47.300 if the Russians continue
00:15:48.620 to initiate war with Ukraine.
00:15:50.680 Again, Witkoff has been
00:15:52.460 perhaps the individual
00:15:53.620 within the Trump administration
00:15:54.860 most willing to embrace peace
00:15:56.820 and cooperation in foreign policy.
00:15:59.740 Witkoff is using
00:16:01.080 his diplomatic abilities
00:16:02.260 to push back
00:16:03.580 against the military-industrial complex
00:16:06.660 and his defense-injury lobbyists
00:16:10.500 in Washington
00:16:11.840 who want to have an endless foreign war
00:16:14.800 between Russia and Ukraine.
00:16:16.020 You see, war is unfortunately
00:16:18.060 highly profitable for some people.
00:16:20.680 Donald Trump ran for president
00:16:22.180 as the peace candidate
00:16:23.680 and it is his goal
00:16:25.700 to bring peace
00:16:26.920 both in the Middle East
00:16:28.080 and also in the conflict
00:16:29.540 between Russia and Ukraine.
00:16:32.300 Every American should be praying
00:16:33.900 for the president's success
00:16:35.760 as we see this bloody conflict
00:16:37.660 come to an end.
00:16:39.140 Every night,
00:16:40.260 the president I know himself
00:16:41.820 prays for peace.
00:16:43.460 He's worked diligently
00:16:44.540 to bring both parties together
00:16:45.960 and reach a final settlement.
00:16:47.780 I am confident
00:16:48.420 that he will do so.
00:16:50.020 But will they give him
00:16:50.920 the Nobel Peace Prize?
00:16:51.980 He's already ended the war
00:16:53.100 between Rwanda and the Congo.
00:16:55.660 That was a bloody conflict.
00:16:57.140 He got a ceasefire
00:16:58.020 between India and Pakistan.
00:17:00.800 He has a track record now
00:17:03.080 of solving these international conflicts.
00:17:05.440 He's brought Syria in
00:17:07.140 and out of the cold.
00:17:09.120 But will the elitist,
00:17:10.960 globalist-dominated
00:17:12.240 Nobel Peace Prize Committee
00:17:13.520 give him the peace prize
00:17:15.000 he so richly deserves?
00:17:16.540 Sadly, I fear not.
00:17:18.880 Donald Trump still has the title
00:17:21.480 that I think history can bestow,
00:17:24.700 the most impressive
00:17:26.100 and I think honorable title,
00:17:27.880 that of peacemaker.
00:17:29.580 The president works for peace every day
00:17:31.360 and every American should pray
00:17:33.040 that he ends both
00:17:35.440 of these bloody conflicts,
00:17:36.840 both in the Middle East
00:17:37.900 and between Russia and Ukraine.
00:17:41.140 When we come back,
00:17:42.740 David Schoen,
00:17:43.640 criminal defense lawyer extraordinaire,
00:17:45.960 who defended President Donald Trump
00:17:47.860 in his second impeachment trial
00:17:49.500 on the floor of the U.S. Senate,
00:17:51.520 joins us.
00:17:52.400 I'm anxious to ask David Schoen,
00:17:54.940 attorney,
00:17:56.200 whether justice is going to be seen
00:17:59.400 in the Russian collusion case
00:18:00.660 and whether there is a way
00:18:02.460 for these cases
00:18:04.140 to be tried somewhere
00:18:05.140 out of Washington, D.C.
00:18:06.940 You see, having been through
00:18:08.180 the Washington, D.C. meat grinder myself,
00:18:10.600 I realized that in the District of Columbia,
00:18:13.220 the Constitution,
00:18:14.560 the law,
00:18:15.480 the rules,
00:18:16.320 the evidence,
00:18:17.380 none of these things matter
00:18:18.660 in the most politicized jurisdiction
00:18:20.760 in the country
00:18:21.960 in which no Trump supporter
00:18:23.860 can get a fair trial
00:18:25.540 and where no Trump antagonist
00:18:27.900 will be held responsible
00:18:29.000 for their illegal actions.
00:18:31.420 If you're just tuning in,
00:18:32.600 I'm Roger Stone
00:18:33.340 and this is The Stone Zone.
00:18:34.480 Whatever you do,
00:18:35.480 don't touch that dial.
00:18:49.040 This is The Stone Zone.
00:18:51.620 Now, get in the zone.
00:18:53.560 It's The Stone Zone.
00:18:55.540 Here's Roger Stone.
00:18:58.480 Welcome back into The Zone.
00:19:02.120 Since President Donald Trump's
00:19:03.660 historic victory in 2016,
00:19:05.800 Democrats have relentlessly pushed
00:19:08.040 the now-debunked narrative
00:19:09.980 that his campaign
00:19:10.900 colluded with Russia
00:19:12.520 to sway the election.
00:19:14.380 They didn't just question the outcome,
00:19:16.340 they amplified the narrative
00:19:17.620 with politically charged rhetoric
00:19:19.700 that deepened national division.
00:19:22.120 The actions of the Trump presidency
00:19:24.720 have revealed the dishonorable fact
00:19:26.740 of the president's betrayal
00:19:28.260 of his oath of office,
00:19:30.080 betrayal of our national security,
00:19:32.060 and betrayal of the integrity
00:19:33.340 of our elections,
00:19:34.740 declared Speaker of the House
00:19:36.380 Nancy Pelosi on September 24, 2019.
00:19:40.240 For four years,
00:19:41.600 Democrats relentlessly pursued
00:19:44.180 Donald Trump,
00:19:45.380 weaponizing investigations,
00:19:46.940 and working to delegitimize
00:19:48.940 his presidency.
00:19:50.300 Then, in 2021,
00:19:52.200 they shattered political precedent
00:19:53.800 entirely by voting to impeach him
00:19:55.800 after he'd already left office,
00:19:58.380 an action no former president
00:20:00.120 had ever faced.
00:20:02.300 Their justification was rooted
00:20:04.020 in Article I, Section 3,
00:20:06.500 Clause 7 of the U.S. Constitution.
00:20:09.680 Impeachment, they argued,
00:20:11.660 isn't solely about removal from office,
00:20:14.060 but it also serves to bar individuals
00:20:16.820 from ever holding public office again.
00:20:20.760 But now,
00:20:21.640 with the recent release
00:20:23.200 of declassified documents
00:20:24.540 by the Director of National Intelligence,
00:20:27.320 Tulsi Gabbard,
00:20:28.540 revealing how the Obama administration
00:20:30.500 manipulated intelligent assessments
00:20:32.860 to sabotage President Trump's
00:20:34.760 2016 victory,
00:20:36.820 Democrats may have opened
00:20:38.160 a constitutional door
00:20:39.660 they now regret.
00:20:41.780 Former Trump impeachment attorney
00:20:43.440 David Schoen,
00:20:44.840 criminal defense attorney extraordinaire,
00:20:47.660 who ably represented Donald Trump
00:20:49.580 in his second impeachment trial,
00:20:51.860 joins us now
00:20:53.300 because he believes
00:20:55.380 that this precedent
00:20:56.680 could hit Obama
00:20:58.040 squarely in his legacy.
00:21:00.700 David Schoen,
00:21:01.380 welcome back in
00:21:02.320 to the Stone Zone.
00:21:04.020 Thank you very much.
00:21:05.180 Always an honor to be with you.
00:21:06.160 So, David,
00:21:08.440 we saw a clip
00:21:09.900 the other day
00:21:10.540 of the President.
00:21:11.320 He was asked directly
00:21:12.300 whether this recent
00:21:13.500 Supreme Court decision
00:21:15.120 regarding the President
00:21:17.100 having immunity
00:21:18.140 would protect Barack Obama
00:21:21.000 from prosecution
00:21:22.480 based on everything we know.
00:21:25.060 And I think he said
00:21:26.580 kind of cavalierly,
00:21:28.080 yes,
00:21:28.440 probably helps him a lot.
00:21:30.080 But you put forward
00:21:31.780 a very shrewd analysis
00:21:34.220 that the Democrats
00:21:35.420 now have the risk
00:21:38.380 of being hoisted
00:21:39.480 on their own petard,
00:21:40.760 so to speak.
00:21:42.060 Lay this out for us.
00:21:44.180 Yeah, sure.
00:21:45.380 So, President Trump
00:21:46.360 was absolutely right
00:21:47.320 when he said
00:21:47.960 that the immunity decision
00:21:49.640 in Trump versus the United States
00:21:50.980 would help
00:21:51.740 former President Obama
00:21:53.400 evade prosecution
00:21:55.220 at this point.
00:21:56.260 All of this is based
00:21:57.220 on the idea,
00:21:57.880 the premise,
00:21:58.640 the evidence shows,
00:22:00.040 as Director Gabbard
00:22:01.340 has said
00:22:01.820 that former President Obama
00:22:03.520 was directly involved
00:22:04.840 in a scheme
00:22:06.120 with others
00:22:07.400 to skew
00:22:09.440 the election result,
00:22:10.540 undermine
00:22:10.940 the will of the people
00:22:12.040 in the election.
00:22:13.080 If the evidence
00:22:13.560 doesn't show that,
00:22:14.700 then the discussion
00:22:15.320 is simply academic.
00:22:16.600 But assuming
00:22:17.040 for these purposes
00:22:17.960 the evidence shows that,
00:22:19.720 President Trump
00:22:20.280 was right
00:22:20.680 that the immunity decision
00:22:22.060 helps President Obama
00:22:23.000 in a matter of first course.
00:22:24.620 But what doesn't help him with
00:22:26.280 is the impeachment process.
00:22:27.880 Without any question,
00:22:29.180 100%,
00:22:30.020 according to the Democratic
00:22:31.640 members of the
00:22:32.940 House of Representatives
00:22:34.120 and the Senate vote
00:22:35.700 in the second impeachment trial,
00:22:37.860 former President Obama
00:22:39.020 absolutely can be impeached
00:22:41.800 and convicted
00:22:42.960 in a trial before the Senate.
00:22:44.900 I argued vigorously
00:22:46.640 against that position
00:22:47.660 that a former president
00:22:48.480 is not subject
00:22:50.100 to impeachment
00:22:50.860 and conviction
00:22:52.100 in a Senate trial
00:22:53.080 once out of office
00:22:54.180 because removal from office
00:22:56.040 is a prerequisite
00:22:57.260 for an impeachment concept.
00:23:00.020 However,
00:23:01.220 the House managers
00:23:02.060 argued
00:23:02.600 some 30 pages
00:23:04.940 in their brief
00:23:06.040 that that's not at all the case.
00:23:07.620 The history
00:23:08.060 and other interpretive tools
00:23:11.040 tell us
00:23:12.520 that without any question
00:23:13.700 a former president
00:23:15.180 can be impeached
00:23:16.120 and convicted
00:23:16.980 going back
00:23:17.920 as far as George Washington
00:23:19.120 and any other
00:23:20.180 former president.
00:23:21.180 And they go on
00:23:22.000 to explain
00:23:22.580 all of their reasons why
00:23:23.980 and why there are
00:23:24.860 two separate provisions
00:23:25.920 in Article 1,
00:23:28.300 Section 3, Clause 7.
00:23:29.840 One provides for removal
00:23:31.040 and the other provides
00:23:32.460 for disqualification
00:23:33.840 from holding future office.
00:23:36.300 And that's why
00:23:37.360 their reason is
00:23:38.180 essentially
00:23:38.740 a former president
00:23:40.060 can be impeached
00:23:41.340 because,
00:23:41.960 and convicted
00:23:42.440 because they say
00:23:43.220 it's just as important
00:23:44.520 that person could have followers
00:23:46.340 even after leaving office
00:23:47.500 and so the person
00:23:48.460 should never be able
00:23:49.180 to hold high office again.
00:23:51.120 But in fact,
00:23:51.680 they went much further.
00:23:52.600 And this is particularly telling
00:23:54.420 it seems to me
00:23:55.160 if the evidence shows
00:23:56.580 what Director Gabbard
00:23:57.780 has suggested
00:23:58.380 it shows
00:23:59.240 it goes right
00:24:00.260 to the heart
00:24:00.900 of the democracy
00:24:02.260 the power of the vote
00:24:04.020 the will of the people
00:24:05.220 exercised
00:24:06.060 through their vote.
00:24:07.260 What they wrote
00:24:07.860 the House managers
00:24:08.980 Jamie Raskin
00:24:09.760 and crew
00:24:10.540 wrote in their brief
00:24:11.520 was that the framers
00:24:12.820 anticipated the risk
00:24:13.920 of someone being out of office
00:24:15.440 and they explained
00:24:16.660 that presidential abuse
00:24:18.320 aimed at our
00:24:19.220 democratic process itself
00:24:20.780 was the single
00:24:22.020 most urgent basis
00:24:23.100 for impeachment.
00:24:24.240 Well, of course,
00:24:24.620 the evidence
00:24:24.980 we're talking about here
00:24:25.860 if it's proven
00:24:26.740 goes to the very core
00:24:28.720 of the democratic process
00:24:30.440 and therefore
00:24:31.040 there would be an imperative
00:24:32.160 to impeach
00:24:33.440 former President Obama
00:24:34.820 because as the House managers wrote
00:24:37.040 if you do let someone
00:24:38.380 get away
00:24:39.020 with attacking
00:24:40.940 the democratic process
00:24:42.440 it will send
00:24:43.520 a horrible message
00:24:44.480 throughout the rest
00:24:45.700 of American history.
00:24:47.560 And so I think
00:24:48.660 their words
00:24:49.500 are very powerful
00:24:50.460 in there
00:24:51.140 but this goes
00:24:52.260 beyond it, Roger.
00:24:53.300 I think this is
00:24:54.040 an important point
00:24:54.820 to make.
00:24:55.740 The immunity decision
00:24:56.660 as I say
00:24:57.240 and as President Trump said
00:24:58.200 as a matter of first courts
00:24:59.220 would probably
00:25:00.460 prohibit prosecution.
00:25:03.220 Some have suggested
00:25:03.960 otherwise
00:25:04.580 and the key here
00:25:05.660 is understanding
00:25:06.340 what that decision held.
00:25:07.900 Very simply
00:25:08.480 it held that
00:25:09.140 if something is
00:25:09.880 within the core
00:25:10.600 official acts
00:25:11.860 of the president
00:25:12.880 then it's absolutely
00:25:14.400 immune from
00:25:15.240 criminal prosecution
00:25:16.160 just as it is
00:25:17.100 from a civil lawsuit
00:25:17.780 Nixon versus Fitzgerald
00:25:19.340 and if it's within
00:25:20.640 that outer limit
00:25:21.700 of the official acts
00:25:23.800 it's presumptively
00:25:25.060 immune.
00:25:28.020 It's presumptive immunity
00:25:28.960 something that's not
00:25:29.860 an official act
00:25:30.580 wouldn't have the benefit
00:25:32.040 of immunity
00:25:32.500 but we're also not allowed
00:25:33.900 to look into the motive
00:25:34.880 behind the action.
00:25:36.140 So let's just say
00:25:37.020 that the evidence
00:25:38.460 is there
00:25:38.940 however
00:25:39.460 former President Obama
00:25:40.940 and his colleagues
00:25:41.800 can spin a tale
00:25:42.960 so that
00:25:43.480 this was somehow
00:25:44.380 his view of
00:25:45.660 you know
00:25:45.900 ensuring the integrity
00:25:46.820 of the election
00:25:47.360 something like that
00:25:48.280 so he has the benefit
00:25:49.120 of immunity.
00:25:50.340 Now he gets impeached
00:25:51.560 by the House
00:25:52.340 majority of the House
00:25:53.520 impeaches him
00:25:54.060 and he gets tried
00:25:54.920 before the Senate
00:25:55.620 and convicted
00:25:56.480 because the evidence
00:25:57.240 is overwhelming
00:25:57.880 let's just assume
00:25:58.720 for argument's sake.
00:26:00.360 Now according to
00:26:01.420 Article 1, Section 3
00:26:02.780 Clause 7
00:26:04.380 of the Constitution
00:26:05.260 in my view
00:26:06.080 he would be able
00:26:07.560 to be prosecuted
00:26:08.520 criminally.
00:26:09.260 Why?
00:26:09.820 Because the text
00:26:10.800 of the Constitution
00:26:11.700 expressly provides
00:26:13.300 for it in that case
00:26:14.380 and that in the case here
00:26:15.780 it says
00:26:16.600 judgment in cases
00:26:18.100 of impeachment
00:26:18.680 shall not extend
00:26:19.700 further than
00:26:20.820 to removal
00:26:21.280 from office
00:26:21.840 of disqualification
00:26:22.840 to hold
00:26:23.580 and enjoy
00:26:24.060 any office
00:26:24.620 of honor
00:26:25.040 etc.
00:26:26.600 But the party
00:26:27.860 convicted
00:26:28.500 shall nevertheless
00:26:29.800 be liable
00:26:31.300 and subject
00:26:32.020 to indictment
00:26:32.980 trial
00:26:33.640 judgment
00:26:34.400 and punishment
00:26:35.360 according to law
00:26:36.460 and so
00:26:37.440 one would argue
00:26:38.500 this would supersede
00:26:39.500 that immunity decision
00:26:40.400 because it's an
00:26:40.960 intervening event
00:26:41.920 an impeachment
00:26:43.080 and a conviction
00:26:44.360 by the Senate
00:26:45.160 under Article 1
00:26:46.740 Section 3
00:26:47.600 so therefore
00:26:50.100 it triggers
00:26:50.580 this clause
00:26:51.220 and it could be
00:26:52.360 it could be
00:26:53.700 indicted
00:26:54.360 tried and convicted
00:26:55.440 by a jury
00:26:56.140 criminally.
00:26:56.960 This by the way
00:26:57.640 is perfectly consistent
00:26:58.860 with an argument
00:26:59.920 that President Trump
00:27:00.740 made in the
00:27:02.360 immunity case
00:27:03.960 and that is
00:27:04.820 using the impeachment clause
00:27:06.540 he argued
00:27:07.820 in the position
00:27:08.760 that was rejected
00:27:09.400 by the Supreme Court
00:27:10.240 he argued
00:27:10.760 that
00:27:11.040 the only way
00:27:12.600 a person
00:27:12.940 can be
00:27:13.560 tried criminally
00:27:14.400 is if they're
00:27:15.080 first convicted
00:27:16.240 after an impeachment
00:27:17.660 trial
00:27:18.100 in the Senate
00:27:18.920 so it's probably
00:27:20.500 very consistent
00:27:20.980 with his view
00:27:21.640 on that
00:27:22.020 but it's
00:27:23.220 in the language
00:27:24.060 the express language
00:27:24.760 of the Constitution
00:27:25.980 So David
00:27:27.820 President Donald Trump
00:27:29.040 filed a civil lawsuit
00:27:30.480 in March of 2022
00:27:32.140 in the U.S. District Court
00:27:34.500 for the Southern District
00:27:35.460 of Florida
00:27:36.140 specifically against
00:27:38.540 Hillary Clinton
00:27:39.160 the Democrat National Committee
00:27:40.600 and others
00:27:41.320 alleging a conspiracy
00:27:43.360 to falsely tie
00:27:44.620 his 2016 presidential
00:27:46.560 campaign to Russia
00:27:47.540 The case was dismissed
00:27:49.960 in September of 2022
00:27:51.580 by U.S. District Judge
00:27:53.900 Donald M. Middlebrooks
00:27:55.260 a Clinton appointee
00:27:56.500 who described it
00:27:57.920 as being without merit
00:27:59.440 as having glaring
00:28:01.640 structural deficiencies
00:28:03.020 and he imposed
00:28:04.520 sanctions of nearly
00:28:05.780 one million dollars
00:28:06.860 against President Trump
00:28:08.640 and his attorney
00:28:09.520 in the case
00:28:10.140 Alina Haber
00:28:11.460 Now that the assertions
00:28:13.640 in that lawsuit
00:28:14.380 have been proven
00:28:15.880 by the declassification
00:28:17.680 of these documents
00:28:18.540 to be completely
00:28:19.740 and totally true
00:28:20.700 what happens
00:28:22.000 to this lawsuit
00:28:23.040 and more specifically
00:28:24.560 what happens
00:28:25.600 to this million dollar fine?
00:28:28.640 Yeah well that's
00:28:29.040 a great question
00:28:29.720 On the one hand
00:28:31.540 federal courts
00:28:32.360 make it very difficult
00:28:33.460 to come back
00:28:34.760 and revisit
00:28:35.320 a final judgment
00:28:36.440 in the case
00:28:36.920 I would add by the way
00:28:38.220 Judge Middlebrooks
00:28:38.980 is not one of my favorites
00:28:40.080 but that's beside the point
00:28:42.880 So anyway
00:28:45.240 federal courts
00:28:45.740 make it difficult
00:28:46.120 to come back
00:28:46.680 and revisit
00:28:47.220 a final judgment
00:28:48.460 However
00:28:49.180 there are tools
00:28:50.200 under Rule 60D
00:28:51.540 of the Federal Rules
00:28:52.700 of Civil Procedure
00:28:53.640 that in certain circumstances
00:28:55.560 do allow it
00:28:56.240 Some of them are
00:28:57.040 time sensitive
00:28:58.360 but some aren't
00:28:59.340 There's a catch-all clause
00:29:00.220 60D is thick
00:29:01.060 but it may be
00:29:02.640 that 60D-4
00:29:03.500 and 60D-5
00:29:04.320 apply here
00:29:05.300 because as you said
00:29:06.760 there's a fine
00:29:07.860 involved here
00:29:08.600 of a million dollars
00:29:09.380 If you can show
00:29:11.060 extraordinary circumstances
00:29:12.900 and certainly
00:29:14.380 it seems like
00:29:14.980 extraordinary circumstances
00:29:16.060 to uncover
00:29:16.940 previously classified
00:29:18.540 or secret documents
00:29:19.880 that now expose
00:29:21.240 events that are at odds
00:29:23.000 with the basis
00:29:24.100 on which the judge
00:29:25.180 made his judgment
00:29:26.200 That's an extraordinary
00:29:27.220 circumstance
00:29:27.800 it seems to me
00:29:28.520 But beyond that
00:29:30.280 they're using
00:29:31.200 that judgment
00:29:31.840 for prospective purposes
00:29:33.880 It's not just
00:29:34.620 that the judgment
00:29:35.120 sat there
00:29:35.780 and had some impact
00:29:37.360 at that time
00:29:38.000 It can be used now
00:29:39.520 to collect
00:29:40.180 on that judgment
00:29:40.980 and one would argue
00:29:43.120 that it's
00:29:43.880 an invalid judgment
00:29:45.900 for the reasons
00:29:47.420 of the extraordinary
00:29:48.220 circumstances
00:29:48.800 this disclosure
00:29:49.480 explained
00:29:50.300 and therefore
00:29:51.280 another mechanism
00:29:52.300 to get back in
00:29:53.120 could be either
00:29:53.820 60B-5
00:29:55.300 or 60B-4
00:29:56.420 arguing that
00:29:58.220 we can't allow
00:30:00.000 a void
00:30:00.540 or invalid judgment
00:30:02.340 to be used
00:30:02.840 for prospective purposes
00:30:04.400 How unfair
00:30:05.860 would that be?
00:30:06.900 You were wrong
00:30:07.660 judge
00:30:08.040 but we're still
00:30:08.600 going to let you
00:30:09.200 collect a million dollars
00:30:10.540 and sanctions
00:30:11.080 for the other side
00:30:11.800 So yesterday
00:30:14.560 John Solomon
00:30:16.440 with Just the News
00:30:17.480 reported that
00:30:18.600 the Attorney General
00:30:20.100 Pam Bondi
00:30:21.000 had ordered
00:30:21.920 a federal prosecutor
00:30:23.100 to begin
00:30:23.760 presenting evidence
00:30:25.540 to a grand jury
00:30:26.880 against those
00:30:28.740 who were exposed
00:30:29.620 in the declassification
00:30:31.360 of documents
00:30:32.160 by Tulsi Gabbard
00:30:34.380 but the speculation
00:30:35.660 was that
00:30:36.460 that grand jury
00:30:37.420 was in Florida
00:30:39.300 rather than
00:30:40.540 in the District
00:30:41.240 of Columbia
00:30:41.960 I obviously
00:30:43.160 welcome that news
00:30:44.480 if it is correct
00:30:45.520 but I'm trying
00:30:46.720 to determine
00:30:47.420 why that venue
00:30:49.580 and here's a theory
00:30:51.560 the raid
00:30:53.340 on Mar-a-Lago
00:30:54.220 since it was
00:30:55.960 actually designed
00:30:57.000 to seize evidence
00:30:58.960 of the guilt
00:31:00.360 of those involved
00:31:01.580 in the Russian
00:31:02.060 collusion hoax
00:31:02.920 was part of a
00:31:04.180 continuing
00:31:05.020 seditious conspiracy
00:31:06.440 continued
00:31:08.020 until that date
00:31:09.240 and that
00:31:10.400 that took place
00:31:11.600 in Florida
00:31:12.240 thus allowing
00:31:13.520 the case
00:31:14.000 to be pursued
00:31:14.780 in the Sunshine State
00:31:16.440 now that's
00:31:17.660 so much
00:31:18.120 for my
00:31:18.460 amateur
00:31:19.040 lawyering
00:31:19.900 how could
00:31:21.520 this case
00:31:22.160 against
00:31:23.100 Brennan
00:31:23.760 Comey
00:31:24.400 Clapper
00:31:25.220 Biden
00:31:26.240 Rice
00:31:26.920 Weissman
00:31:28.340 Mueller
00:31:29.120 this list
00:31:29.820 goes on
00:31:30.320 and on
00:31:30.720 how could
00:31:31.840 this be pursued
00:31:32.580 some place
00:31:33.280 where there
00:31:34.360 could actually
00:31:34.840 be a fair
00:31:35.680 trial
00:31:36.160 and where
00:31:36.860 there's
00:31:37.120 a reasonable
00:31:38.080 probability
00:31:38.720 of conviction
00:31:39.440 based on
00:31:40.260 the evidence
00:31:40.760 Good question
00:31:42.920 again
00:31:43.280 and I think
00:31:43.720 your analysis
00:31:44.200 your theory
00:31:44.960 is a good one
00:31:45.540 but remember
00:31:46.300 in the Florida
00:31:47.560 case
00:31:47.980 they convened
00:31:48.800 a grand jury
00:31:49.420 in Washington
00:31:50.040 D.C.
00:31:51.020 to hear much
00:31:51.740 of the evidence
00:31:52.360 then used
00:31:53.500 or to be used
00:31:54.780 in the Florida
00:31:55.540 case
00:31:55.900 here
00:31:56.380 I think
00:31:57.020 there could
00:31:57.340 be a theory
00:31:57.940 also
00:31:58.520 first of all
00:31:59.100 the point is
00:31:59.820 they want it
00:32:00.480 outside of D.C.
00:32:01.420 ideally
00:32:03.060 because
00:32:04.100 you know
00:32:04.700 it's one
00:32:05.140 of the jurisdictions
00:32:05.760 in the country
00:32:06.360 in which
00:32:07.320 you know
00:32:08.360 the voters
00:32:08.860 overwhelmingly
00:32:10.060 democratic
00:32:10.760 and we see
00:32:11.540 a lot of
00:32:11.960 political decisions
00:32:12.780 from the judges
00:32:13.960 in that jurisdiction
00:32:14.940 and from juries
00:32:16.860 human nature
00:32:18.800 in a sense
00:32:19.280 I think
00:32:20.280 one could make
00:32:21.120 an argument
00:32:21.560 that if the evidence
00:32:22.260 here really is
00:32:23.240 evidence of
00:32:24.260 this is conspiracy
00:32:25.660 under 18 U.S.C.
00:32:27.300 2384
00:32:28.000 or
00:32:29.160 in some
00:32:30.820 some offense
00:32:31.760 that relates
00:32:32.640 to undermining
00:32:33.680 the vote
00:32:34.640 will of the voters
00:32:35.720 and theoretically
00:32:36.900 it affects
00:32:37.720 it has an effect
00:32:38.540 in every state
00:32:39.480 in the union
00:32:40.100 and therefore
00:32:41.680 a grand jury
00:32:42.760 could be convened
00:32:43.760 any place
00:32:44.660 I think that's
00:32:45.420 one theory
00:32:45.980 that could be
00:32:46.740 you know
00:32:47.400 floated out there
00:32:48.560 every American
00:32:49.900 has a stake
00:32:50.640 in seeing justice
00:32:52.240 done because
00:32:52.720 it affects
00:32:53.220 the vote
00:32:53.880 of every American
00:32:54.700 one way or another
00:32:55.760 but we have to see
00:32:57.480 I think what the
00:32:58.020 evidence is
00:32:58.620 what the conduct
00:32:59.580 of issue was
00:33:00.340 it might be
00:33:01.200 that if there
00:33:01.640 were discussions
00:33:02.320 like this
00:33:03.020 some discussions
00:33:03.820 took place
00:33:04.560 over the telephone
00:33:05.240 or the internet
00:33:07.100 from you know
00:33:08.520 various places
00:33:09.120 outside of
00:33:09.780 Washington D.C.
00:33:11.520 I don't know
00:33:12.260 we have to see
00:33:12.780 what the evidence
00:33:13.240 is I think
00:33:13.720 I appreciate
00:33:15.580 that analysis
00:33:16.520 I hope springs
00:33:17.500 eternal
00:33:17.920 that this trial
00:33:19.120 will be
00:33:19.800 take
00:33:20.700 the trials
00:33:21.220 will take place
00:33:21.920 in a jurisdiction
00:33:22.620 other than
00:33:23.320 the District of Columbia
00:33:24.640 I personally
00:33:25.220 have been through
00:33:25.640 that meat grinder
00:33:27.020 as I said
00:33:27.600 earlier in the show
00:33:28.420 in the District of Columbia
00:33:29.300 the Constitution
00:33:30.080 the law
00:33:31.220 the facts
00:33:32.040 the evidence
00:33:32.740 the rules
00:33:33.320 none of these things
00:33:35.200 matter
00:33:35.620 when the court
00:33:37.040 is in order
00:33:37.980 it is the most
00:33:39.160 politicized jurisdiction
00:33:40.460 in the country
00:33:41.200 in my particular case
00:33:42.720 when we learned
00:33:43.700 that the jury
00:33:44.340 forewoman
00:33:44.960 who denied
00:33:46.120 during jury selection
00:33:47.600 and the trial
00:33:48.520 that she had any
00:33:49.720 knowledge of me
00:33:50.520 or my case
00:33:51.420 had been attacking me
00:33:52.820 on Facebook
00:33:53.360 and Twitter
00:33:54.000 by name
00:33:54.740 but had those
00:33:56.220 postings
00:33:56.760 on a private
00:33:57.420 setting
00:33:57.900 once that was
00:33:58.960 revealed
00:33:59.460 the judge
00:34:00.220 actually ruled
00:34:01.020 that none of
00:34:02.000 that was
00:34:02.480 evidence of
00:34:03.460 bias
00:34:03.920 wherever you do
00:34:04.720 don't touch
00:34:05.700 that dial
00:34:06.540 this is the
00:34:07.640 Stone Zone
00:34:08.540 with Roger Stone
00:34:10.200 this is the
00:34:30.320 Stone Zone
00:34:31.260 now
00:34:32.140 get in the
00:34:32.900 zone
00:34:33.320 it's the
00:34:34.140 Stone Zone
00:34:35.120 here's Roger Stone
00:34:37.220 and we're back
00:34:39.880 in the Stone Zone
00:34:41.040 we're talking to
00:34:42.040 perhaps the
00:34:42.920 preeminent criminal
00:34:43.980 defense attorney
00:34:44.800 in the country
00:34:45.920 today
00:34:46.400 David Schoen
00:34:47.440 who very ably
00:34:48.640 represented
00:34:49.180 President Donald
00:34:49.900 Trump in his
00:34:50.520 second impeachment
00:34:51.720 trial on the
00:34:52.500 floor of the
00:34:53.040 U.S. Senate
00:34:53.580 David you were
00:34:55.060 back in the news
00:34:55.960 only days ago
00:34:57.140 because of this
00:34:58.540 vicious effort
00:34:59.920 to smear
00:35:00.840 Donald Trump
00:35:01.660 as having had
00:35:03.000 a somehow
00:35:03.500 inappropriate
00:35:04.220 relationship
00:35:05.240 with Jeffrey Epstein
00:35:06.840 who was convicted
00:35:07.700 of sex crimes
00:35:09.040 in Florida
00:35:09.660 and was indicted
00:35:10.520 in 2019
00:35:11.800 in New York
00:35:12.900 on one count
00:35:14.400 of child sex
00:35:15.220 trafficking
00:35:15.680 and a second
00:35:16.240 count of the
00:35:16.960 conspiracy
00:35:17.860 to engage
00:35:18.940 in child sex
00:35:20.120 trafficking
00:35:20.640 but you revealed
00:35:23.040 to the American
00:35:23.660 public that you
00:35:24.520 discussed this
00:35:25.220 matter with
00:35:26.200 Jeffrey Epstein
00:35:26.920 just before his
00:35:28.140 death
00:35:28.500 why don't you
00:35:29.640 take it from
00:35:30.120 there
00:35:30.360 sure
00:35:32.140 well
00:35:32.580 you know
00:35:33.120 as one might
00:35:33.700 imagine
00:35:34.160 any criminal
00:35:35.800 defense lawyer
00:35:36.480 in meeting
00:35:37.360 with a client
00:35:37.880 who's facing
00:35:38.420 a federal
00:35:39.220 indictment
00:35:39.760 would want
00:35:40.480 to know
00:35:40.900 what kind
00:35:41.640 of leverage
00:35:42.260 that defendant
00:35:43.980 might have
00:35:44.820 to help
00:35:46.120 himself in
00:35:46.660 some kind
00:35:47.060 of deal
00:35:47.440 or something
00:35:48.260 like that
00:35:48.820 I happen
00:35:50.020 to have made
00:35:50.440 it a practice
00:35:50.920 in my practice
00:35:52.160 that I don't
00:35:52.540 represent
00:35:52.880 cooperators
00:35:53.580 but everyone
00:35:54.280 ought to be
00:35:55.100 advised of
00:35:55.720 that opportunity
00:35:56.920 I just don't
00:35:57.860 believe it
00:35:58.180 philosophically
00:35:59.080 that one
00:35:59.340 should turn
00:35:59.640 against friends
00:36:00.180 all that
00:36:00.740 but everyone
00:36:01.380 should have
00:36:01.840 that opportunity
00:36:02.720 to help him
00:36:03.600 or herself
00:36:04.080 in a case
00:36:04.880 and a lawyer
00:36:05.200 has an obligation
00:36:05.760 to explain
00:36:06.500 that to the
00:36:07.200 client
00:36:07.480 I won't
00:36:08.860 you know
00:36:09.120 I never
00:36:09.460 go into
00:36:10.000 attorney-client
00:36:10.920 privilege
00:36:11.280 discussions
00:36:12.420 regarding any
00:36:13.440 of my
00:36:13.940 conversations
00:36:15.080 with any
00:36:15.540 client
00:36:15.880 however in
00:36:16.680 this case
00:36:17.240 I expressly
00:36:19.200 discussed
00:36:19.860 with Jeffrey
00:36:20.320 Epstein
00:36:20.660 whether he
00:36:21.460 had anything
00:36:22.480 any information
00:36:24.360 that could help
00:36:25.000 him by hurting
00:36:26.160 Donald Trump
00:36:26.780 that is
00:36:27.220 any information
00:36:28.080 that Donald
00:36:29.180 Trump did
00:36:29.560 anything illegal
00:36:30.360 or improper
00:36:31.280 and had he
00:36:33.320 not authorized
00:36:34.100 me to
00:36:34.700 I wouldn't
00:36:35.340 have disclosed
00:36:35.900 the answer
00:36:36.300 to that
00:36:36.560 but he did
00:36:37.360 and he said
00:36:38.140 to me
00:36:38.480 in no uncertain
00:36:39.480 terms
00:36:39.840 and he had
00:36:40.360 no information
00:36:41.100 that could hurt
00:36:41.860 Donald Trump
00:36:42.420 in any way
00:36:43.040 because Donald
00:36:43.600 Trump had not
00:36:44.380 done anything
00:36:44.860 illegal or improper
00:36:46.060 with him
00:36:46.540 and then he made
00:36:47.900 it clear that he
00:36:48.500 wanted that known
00:36:49.320 so that's why
00:36:50.000 I've revealed it
00:36:50.740 now
00:36:50.940 I revealed it
00:36:51.700 in response
00:36:52.140 to Mr.
00:36:53.080 Musk's tweet
00:36:53.820 suggesting
00:36:54.360 that maybe
00:36:55.180 President Trump
00:36:55.820 was withholding
00:36:56.420 documents here
00:36:57.100 because he had
00:36:57.700 something to
00:36:58.060 appear for himself
00:36:58.640 I thought that was
00:36:59.500 an outrageous
00:36:59.980 even suggestion
00:37:01.500 to make
00:37:01.940 and I knew
00:37:02.620 it not to be
00:37:03.180 true
00:37:03.460 so I felt
00:37:04.060 an obligation
00:37:04.520 to come forward
00:37:05.160 but again
00:37:05.740 I would not
00:37:06.320 have had
00:37:07.100 Jeffrey Epstein
00:37:07.700 not authorized
00:37:08.380 it
00:37:08.600 he felt
00:37:09.220 strongly about
00:37:09.920 it
00:37:10.020 he didn't
00:37:10.280 want anybody
00:37:10.940 but particularly
00:37:11.540 Donald Trump
00:37:12.080 and I can
00:37:12.380 explain why
00:37:12.960 being falsely
00:37:14.760 accused of having
00:37:15.520 been engaged
00:37:16.100 in conduct
00:37:16.980 with him
00:37:17.420 it was illegal
00:37:18.360 etc
00:37:19.000 Donald Trump
00:37:20.260 they had had
00:37:21.400 a friendship
00:37:21.860 like you know
00:37:23.480 tens or hundreds
00:37:24.800 of wealthy
00:37:25.700 successful people
00:37:26.640 in the world
00:37:27.540 had with
00:37:28.120 Jeffrey Epstein
00:37:28.940 some friendship
00:37:30.440 on some level
00:37:31.280 and Donald Trump
00:37:34.160 among all of the
00:37:34.960 other people
00:37:35.520 is the one person
00:37:36.660 who cut off
00:37:37.600 that relationship
00:37:38.680 cut it off
00:37:39.700 for a couple
00:37:40.160 of reasons
00:37:40.660 but cut it off
00:37:41.380 we're talking
00:37:42.140 you know
00:37:42.400 decades ago
00:37:43.540 and so
00:37:45.320 you know
00:37:45.800 that hurt
00:37:46.200 Epstein
00:37:46.640 to some degree
00:37:47.400 but he also
00:37:48.660 respected
00:37:49.300 appreciated
00:37:49.880 in any event
00:37:51.260 whether he wanted
00:37:52.520 the friendship
00:37:52.980 back or not
00:37:53.880 he made clear
00:37:55.380 that Donald Trump
00:37:56.080 had done nothing
00:37:56.580 illegal
00:37:56.960 and proper
00:37:57.620 with him
00:37:57.960 and he wanted
00:37:58.500 that made known
00:37:59.660 now you know
00:38:00.960 some suggested
00:38:01.520 oh gee
00:38:01.840 that's convenient
00:38:02.440 you know
00:38:02.760 here you represented
00:38:03.420 Donald Trump
00:38:04.480 his impeachment
00:38:05.200 trial
00:38:05.500 now you're saying
00:38:05.980 this about
00:38:06.240 Jeffrey Epstein
00:38:06.840 I didn't know
00:38:08.060 Donald Trump
00:38:08.720 at that time
00:38:09.360 we're talking
00:38:09.720 about 2019
00:38:10.520 I got a call
00:38:11.960 to represent
00:38:12.440 President Trump
00:38:13.300 his impeachment
00:38:14.140 trial
00:38:14.460 two weeks
00:38:15.160 before the
00:38:15.640 impeachment
00:38:16.000 trial
00:38:16.360 in 2021
00:38:17.520 so you know
00:38:19.640 one can suggest
00:38:20.360 anything they like
00:38:21.160 but I've got
00:38:22.720 no other motive
00:38:23.660 here
00:38:23.860 except that I think
00:38:24.800 it's important
00:38:25.440 to bring the truth
00:38:26.080 out
00:38:26.320 I think what's
00:38:27.420 going on here
00:38:28.020 quite frankly
00:38:28.680 in my view
00:38:29.240 is an attempt
00:38:30.500 but look
00:38:31.200 the left
00:38:31.760 and the right
00:38:32.180 have separate
00:38:32.800 agendas here
00:38:33.460 but on the left
00:38:34.520 to drag the thing
00:38:36.880 out
00:38:37.280 out
00:38:37.560 out
00:38:37.920 to make it
00:38:38.640 sort of
00:38:38.940 Mueller
00:38:39.180 to try to
00:38:40.220 paralyze the government
00:38:41.060 try to distract
00:38:41.880 from all of
00:38:42.560 President Trump's
00:38:43.520 accomplishments
00:38:44.020 and help
00:38:45.680 themselves
00:38:46.140 in the midterms
00:38:47.200 with these
00:38:47.920 you know
00:38:48.540 suggestions
00:38:49.200 of maybe
00:38:50.040 something improper
00:38:50.780 but it defies
00:38:51.700 logic
00:38:52.180 you can be
00:38:53.100 sure
00:38:53.400 the accusers
00:38:54.400 of Jeffrey Epstein
00:38:55.360 filed lawsuit
00:38:56.560 after lawsuit
00:38:57.280 with lawyers
00:38:57.900 who have made
00:38:58.540 millions of dollars
00:38:59.580 against anyone
00:39:00.900 who those accusers
00:39:01.960 said they had
00:39:02.740 any illicit
00:39:03.460 affair with
00:39:04.660 through Jeffrey Epstein
00:39:06.140 so you can imagine
00:39:07.860 that if some accuser
00:39:08.800 were out there
00:39:09.380 and had some
00:39:10.060 knowledge about
00:39:10.580 Donald Trump
00:39:11.000 they would have
00:39:11.520 filed a lawsuit
00:39:12.220 a long time ago
00:39:13.500 I'm afraid we're
00:39:14.500 going to have to
00:39:15.000 leave it there
00:39:15.400 I want to thank
00:39:15.860 our guest David
00:39:16.640 Schoen
00:39:17.080 and for our
00:39:17.700 many guests
00:39:18.440 until tomorrow
00:39:19.480 God bless you
00:39:20.420 and Godspeed
00:39:21.940 thanks for listening
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