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00:00:00.600 The Stone Zone. Entertaining and informative.

00:00:04.580 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:00:16.300 This is The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:00:19.940 They went after a guy named Roger Stone who's sitting in the office.

00:00:23.660 And I'll say this in front of Roger, he's no baby.

00:00:26.020 And right now he's cleaner than anybody in this place.

00:00:28.920 No, they treated him very unfairly.

00:00:32.140 Now, get him a zone. It's The Stone Zone.

00:00:35.980 Here's Roger Stone.

00:00:38.620 You are now entering The Stone Zone.

00:00:42.720 Well, washed up shock jock Howard Stern is reportedly getting the axe from Sirius XM Radio.

00:00:49.880 The satellite radio provider announced that they will not be renewing his contract

00:00:54.080 at the same princely salary of $100 million when it is up at the end of the year,

00:01:00.400 which will effectively conclude Stern's 20-year run because it's unlikely that an egomaniac like Stern would ever consider taking a pay cut.

00:01:10.020 Howard Stern is typical of those who used Donald Trump to pump their ratings before Trump decided to get into politics and make America great again.

00:01:19.840 But then he turned on Trump like a rabid dog when Trump decided to enter the fray and become president of the United States.

00:01:28.760 Sirius XM is expected to negotiate a deal where they are able to air replays of Stern's show.

00:01:34.280 Back when he was a revelant cultural icon and produced an entertaining show, I, for one, kind of never got it.

00:01:41.520 I remember when my friend Mankow, who was the dominant shock jock in the windy city of Chicago,

00:01:48.560 drove Stern out of town, out pointing him in the ratings consistently.

00:01:54.120 Stern was once the voice of the working class Americans,

00:01:57.420 his peeve with increasingly political correctness, becoming incredibly popular for his raunchy, uncensored and sometimes illicit programming back in the 1980s and the 1990s.

00:02:10.840 But by the time the 2010s rolled around, Stern had become stale, eventually fell into wokeism,

00:02:17.600 and what I saw as a desperate attempt to stay irrelevant.

00:02:21.060 Stern became one of the loudest and most belligerent critics of Donald Trump, trashing him at every opportunity.

00:02:27.420 Howard Stern received plaudits from the fake news media as a result, but this only further alienated his core audience.

00:02:35.960 Now Sirius XM can no longer justify his profligate salary,

00:02:41.280 and Stern, in my opinion, will now fade into oblivion, being remembered mainly for his massive fall from grace.

00:02:48.580 There is no greater example of a sellout than Howard Stern,

00:02:51.720 a sad, weak man who became everything he once hated.

00:02:56.440 Good riddance from the airways, Howie.

00:02:59.360 I'd be glad to never hear you again.

00:03:02.500 Meanwhile, the U.S. Attorney's Office in Maryland has announced that they are conducting a criminal investigation

00:03:08.700 into Senator Adam Schiff of California over credible allegations of mortgage fraud.

00:03:15.480 This follows news that Schiff had previously received a criminal referral to the Department of Justice.

00:03:21.460 It was the director of the Federal Housing Finance Administration's fraud unit that first determined

00:03:29.840 that Congressman, now Senator Adam Schiff, had declared both his condominium in Burbank, California,

00:03:38.460 and his home in suburban Maryland as his principal legal residence.

00:03:44.300 He was exposed for declaring both of those as his political legal residence, pulling off a massive mortgage scam.

00:03:54.180 A memo from Fannie Mae's fraud unit asserts that Schiff submitted incorrect information about his properties

00:04:01.080 while applying for home loans, listing his primary residence first as his Burbank condo,

00:04:07.460 despite the property not being suitable for a family of four.

00:04:11.020 But then Schiff also lied about his primary residence in Burbank so he could receive a property tax reduction

00:04:16.720 in California under false pretenses.

00:04:20.480 Unfortunately, Schiff also declared his home in suburban Maryland,

00:04:24.280 which he refinanced four times as his principal legal residence.

00:04:29.420 So unlike what Schiff says, that Trump objects to him owning two homes, because that's incorrect,

00:04:36.360 what Trump objects to publicly is that Schiff has claimed both his homes as his principal legal residence

00:04:44.380 and therefore received favorable tax treatment, a lower mortgage rate,

00:04:50.540 and a lower insurance rate on both properties.

00:04:54.760 Apparently, Schiff believed he was above the law because of his Democrat connections.

00:04:58.760 I guess he didn't anticipate that President Donald Trump would be able to overcome

00:05:03.220 the entire Russiagate narrative that Schiff and his Democrat cronies completely concocted.

00:05:10.300 Now that Trump has completed his political comeback,

00:05:12.980 Shifty Adam Schiff is no longer being protected by the deep state.

00:05:17.420 His fancy title of senator does not put him above the law.

00:05:21.260 Hopefully, Schiff will receive justice soon,

00:05:23.400 hopefully not just for mortgage fraud,

00:05:26.200 but also for his involvement in the greatest single dirty trick

00:05:30.140 and abuse of power in American political history.

00:05:34.260 That would be the Russian collusion hoax.

00:05:37.760 Today, there is no longer any doubt whatsoever.

00:05:41.140 Based on the declassification of documents

00:05:43.860 by the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard,

00:05:48.040 and revelations made by CIA Director John Ratcliffe

00:05:52.700 that Schiff and others engaged in seditious conspiracy and treason

00:05:59.180 to try to use two pieces of fabricated evidence,

00:06:02.940 the Steele dossier and the false claim

00:06:05.740 that the Democrat National Committee had been the target of an online hack

00:06:11.120 by Russian intelligence as the rationale for the removal

00:06:16.120 of a duly elected president.

00:06:19.140 Hopefully, Schiff will face prosecution for far more than mortgage fraud,

00:06:24.140 but something he has in common with New York Attorney General Letitia James.

00:06:28.840 In her case, the Federal Housing and Finance Administration

00:06:32.780 found a 22-year crime spree

00:06:35.660 in which the New York Attorney General,

00:06:38.480 famous for saying that no one is above the law,

00:06:41.520 conducted multiple examples of mortgage fraud

00:06:44.760 involving properties in New York and Virginia.

00:06:48.660 You see, these politicians, particularly Democrats,

00:06:51.280 seem to think that they are above the law.

00:06:53.780 We'll soon see whether anyone is above the law.

00:06:57.080 Meanwhile, Elon Musk has demanded that President Trump

00:07:01.060 initiate a federal takeover of Washington, D.C.

00:07:04.520 The billionaires calling for President Trump

00:07:06.800 to initiate this federal takeover of our nation's capital

00:07:10.160 after one of Musk's doge lieutenants, Edward Big Balls Coristine,

00:07:16.380 was viciously beaten by a gang of thugs

00:07:19.220 after he attempted to intervene when he saw a group of young people

00:07:24.980 attempting to accost a young woman.

00:07:26.980 In response to President Trump's call to federalize Washington, D.C.,

00:07:32.120 billionaire Elon Musk concurred.

00:07:34.780 He said the following in an X post.

00:07:37.440 X used to be known as Twitter, today known as X.

00:07:40.280 A few days ago, a gang of about a dozen young men

00:07:43.900 tried to assault a woman in her car at night in D.C.

00:07:47.940 A Doge team member saw what was happening,

00:07:50.880 ran to her defense, and was severely beaten

00:07:53.360 to the point of concussion.

00:07:55.280 But he saved her.

00:07:56.780 It is time to federalize D.C.

00:07:59.680 This is a far cry from the Elon Musk of a few months ago

00:08:03.940 who was bemoaning the increase in federal authority

00:08:07.200 in the big, beautiful bill and demanding a third party.

00:08:12.940 Since then, we've learned that Elon Musk gave $15 million

00:08:16.900 to pro-Trump and pro-Republican super PACs

00:08:20.820 in the month of June alone.

00:08:23.220 And it seems like it may be time to, well,

00:08:25.840 bring Elon Musk back into the MAGA fold

00:08:28.740 as he has stood tall for free speech.

00:08:33.300 And I do think he played a significant role

00:08:35.320 in President Trump's victory

00:08:37.020 and the greatest comeback in political history.

00:08:40.500 We need him back in the tent.

00:08:42.480 He's demonstrated the tenacity,

00:08:44.660 and he certainly has the cash to be a valuable ally

00:08:48.240 in the 2026 elections.

00:08:52.200 Joining us a little later here in the Stone Zone,

00:08:55.120 David Schoen, the criminal defense attorney

00:08:57.920 who defended President Donald Trump

00:09:00.480 in his second impeachment trial,

00:09:03.160 joins us to talk about whether Barack Obama

00:09:05.900 has anything to worry about

00:09:07.500 in the burgeoning scandal

00:09:10.840 regarding the Russian collusion hoax.

00:09:14.020 Also, I'm going to ask him about that civil suit

00:09:16.960 that President Trump filed in Miami several years ago.

00:09:21.940 In that case, the entire Russian collusion case

00:09:26.500 was laid out in a civil lawsuit,

00:09:28.980 but the judge, who was a Clinton appointee,

00:09:31.960 not only dismissed the suit,

00:09:33.980 but he fined both Donald Trump

00:09:36.280 and his lawyer, Alina Haba,

00:09:38.320 $1 million apiece for even filing it.

00:09:42.440 Now that all of the assertions in the lawsuit

00:09:44.980 have been proven to be absolutely true,

00:09:47.500 I want to ask David Schoen what happens to that lawsuit.

00:09:52.060 In another shocking story,

00:09:53.760 Chinese engineers were able to access

00:09:56.000 crucial Pentagon files for years

00:09:58.800 by providing cloud computing support

00:10:01.700 through Microsoft.

00:10:03.440 Microsoft announced that they will be

00:10:05.240 cutting off these Chinese engineers

00:10:07.240 from accessing the data

00:10:08.520 following an expose by ProPublica.

00:10:12.400 Microsoft was revealed to be operating a system

00:10:15.200 where, quote-unquote, digital escorts from the U.S.

00:10:19.100 were used to relay tasks to Chinese engineers

00:10:22.400 who would do them more cheaply

00:10:24.480 than their American counterparts.

00:10:26.540 This opened the door for the communist Chinese engineers

00:10:29.860 to implant malicious code into the Pentagon systems.

00:10:35.020 After the scandal broke,

00:10:36.560 Microsoft said in a released statement,

00:10:39.160 In response to concerns raised earlier this week

00:10:43.740 about U.S.-supervised foreign engineers,

00:10:47.580 Microsoft has made changes to our support

00:10:50.120 for U.S. government customers

00:10:51.540 to assure that no China-based engineering teams

00:10:55.260 are providing technical assistance

00:10:57.420 for the Department of Defense,

00:10:59.680 government cloud, and related systems.

00:11:03.340 Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth,

00:11:05.540 he's among those stars appointed by Donald Trump

00:11:08.260 to his cabinet,

00:11:09.660 has vowed to root out agreements

00:11:11.500 between the Pentagon

00:11:12.480 and multinational corporations

00:11:15.020 that refuse to put America first.

00:11:18.040 Microsoft's actions show

00:11:19.400 how corporations have become beholden to China

00:11:22.500 because they have put the almighty dollar

00:11:24.980 ahead of what is best for the country

00:11:26.580 that made them so big to begin with.

00:11:29.220 This has resulted in the absurd policy

00:11:31.800 of putting Pentagon technology

00:11:34.240 in the hands of, quote,

00:11:35.820 digital escorts who are then given carte blanche

00:11:39.240 to Chinese agents to subvert

00:11:41.200 and undermine their policies

00:11:44.000 that should have never been considered

00:11:45.560 in the first place.

00:11:47.200 This should be a lesson

00:11:48.160 against giving big tech more ability

00:11:50.320 to make decisions over our military

00:11:52.700 as the values of big tech CEOs

00:11:55.380 do not necessarily align

00:11:57.720 with those of America first patriots.

00:12:01.020 Meanwhile, a man wearing

00:12:03.520 a Make America Great Again hat

00:12:06.080 was kicked out of a major league soccer game

00:12:08.620 in St. Louis,

00:12:09.800 showing how sports leagues

00:12:10.960 are still going woke

00:12:12.200 even after President Trump's victory last year.

00:12:16.300 The MLS rules state

00:12:18.440 that displaying signs, symbols,

00:12:20.640 or images for commercial purposes

00:12:22.480 or for electioneering, campaigning,

00:12:24.900 or advocating for or against any candidate,

00:12:27.860 political party, legislative issue,

00:12:30.460 or governmental action

00:12:31.480 is banned at their events.

00:12:34.400 So one could argue

00:12:35.540 that a man in the MAGA hat

00:12:37.200 was violating the league rules,

00:12:39.820 as silly as those rules may be.

00:12:42.200 To me, this is very clearly

00:12:43.680 a free speech First Amendment issue.

00:12:46.860 However, on the opposite side

00:12:49.040 of the stadium in the video,

00:12:50.760 you can see countless rainbow LGBT pride flags

00:12:55.340 flying without anyone hassling them

00:12:57.640 who are carrying them.

00:12:59.240 Those flags make as much

00:13:00.720 of a political statement

00:13:01.660 as a MAGA hat,

00:13:03.040 and they should both be allowed

00:13:04.640 as matters of free speech

00:13:06.720 protected by the First Amendment.

00:13:09.680 Republican soccer fans

00:13:10.940 should consider boycotting this team

00:13:12.780 or perhaps the entire soccer league

00:13:15.380 and putting the principles

00:13:16.780 of go woke, go broke

00:13:19.020 into place once again.

00:13:21.420 If you're just tuning in,

00:13:22.700 I'm Roger Stone,

00:13:23.760 and this is The Stone Zone.

00:13:25.020 On the Red Apple Audio Networks,

00:13:28.480 we're covering all the news here,

00:13:30.440 so whatever you do,

00:13:31.660 please don't touch that dial.

00:13:33.440 We'll be right back.

00:13:34.440 And of course, coming up,

00:13:35.380 we have Trump impeachment attorney

00:13:37.400 David Schoen,

00:13:38.640 who's going to bring down

00:13:39.840 the latest news

00:13:41.120 regarding the Russian collusion hoax

00:13:43.440 and who may be in line

00:13:46.040 for criminal indictment

00:13:47.560 in the greatest single dirty trick

00:13:49.860 and abuse of power

00:13:51.320 in American history.

00:13:52.820 Don't go away.

00:13:54.240 We'll be right back.

00:13:56.280 This is The Stone Zone

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00:14:53.220 Here's Roger Stone.

00:14:54.660 Welcome back to The Stone Zone

00:14:58.080 right here on the

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00:15:01.200 President Donald Trump

00:15:02.480 announced on Wednesday

00:15:03.940 that his special envoy to Russia,

00:15:05.800 Steve Witkoff,

00:15:07.100 had a highly productive meeting

00:15:08.780 where great progress was made,

00:15:11.000 to quote the president,

00:15:12.240 towards peace between Russia

00:15:13.640 and Ukraine.

00:15:15.240 President Trump has also stated

00:15:16.600 that everyone agrees

00:15:17.680 this war must come to a close

00:15:19.180 and we will work towards that

00:15:20.860 in the days and weeks to come.

00:15:22.440 This suggests that President Trump

00:15:25.180 might be willing to extend

00:15:26.280 his deadline for Putin

00:15:27.860 to come back to the table

00:15:29.020 beyond this week.

00:15:31.140 At first, the president announced

00:15:32.660 that Putin had a 50-day deadline.

00:15:35.560 Then he revised that

00:15:36.580 to say his deadline

00:15:37.400 was a mere 10 days.

00:15:39.780 President Trump has threatened

00:15:40.800 to sanction and put heavier tariffs

00:15:42.620 on Russia

00:15:43.200 and also to punish Russia's

00:15:45.000 trading partners

00:15:45.660 with secondary tariffs

00:15:47.300 if the Russians continue

00:15:48.620 to initiate war with Ukraine.

00:15:50.680 Again, Witkoff has been

00:15:52.460 perhaps the individual

00:15:53.620 within the Trump administration

00:15:54.860 most willing to embrace peace

00:15:56.820 and cooperation in foreign policy.

00:15:59.740 Witkoff is using

00:16:01.080 his diplomatic abilities

00:16:02.260 to push back

00:16:03.580 against the military-industrial complex

00:16:06.660 and his defense-injury lobbyists

00:16:10.500 in Washington

00:16:11.840 who want to have an endless foreign war

00:16:14.800 between Russia and Ukraine.

00:16:16.020 You see, war is unfortunately

00:16:18.060 highly profitable for some people.

00:16:20.680 Donald Trump ran for president

00:16:22.180 as the peace candidate

00:16:23.680 and it is his goal

00:16:25.700 to bring peace

00:16:26.920 both in the Middle East

00:16:28.080 and also in the conflict

00:16:29.540 between Russia and Ukraine.

00:16:32.300 Every American should be praying

00:16:33.900 for the president's success

00:16:35.760 as we see this bloody conflict

00:16:37.660 come to an end.

00:16:39.140 Every night,

00:16:40.260 the president I know himself

00:16:41.820 prays for peace.

00:16:43.460 He's worked diligently

00:16:44.540 to bring both parties together

00:16:45.960 and reach a final settlement.

00:16:47.780 I am confident

00:16:48.420 that he will do so.

00:16:50.020 But will they give him

00:16:50.920 the Nobel Peace Prize?

00:16:51.980 He's already ended the war

00:16:53.100 between Rwanda and the Congo.

00:16:55.660 That was a bloody conflict.

00:16:57.140 He got a ceasefire

00:16:58.020 between India and Pakistan.

00:17:00.800 He has a track record now

00:17:03.080 of solving these international conflicts.

00:17:05.440 He's brought Syria in

00:17:07.140 and out of the cold.

00:17:09.120 But will the elitist,

00:17:10.960 globalist-dominated

00:17:12.240 Nobel Peace Prize Committee

00:17:13.520 give him the peace prize

00:17:15.000 he so richly deserves?

00:17:16.540 Sadly, I fear not.

00:17:18.880 Donald Trump still has the title

00:17:21.480 that I think history can bestow,

00:17:24.700 the most impressive

00:17:26.100 and I think honorable title,

00:17:27.880 that of peacemaker.

00:17:29.580 The president works for peace every day

00:17:31.360 and every American should pray

00:17:33.040 that he ends both

00:17:35.440 of these bloody conflicts,

00:17:36.840 both in the Middle East

00:17:37.900 and between Russia and Ukraine.

00:17:41.140 When we come back,

00:17:42.740 David Schoen,

00:17:43.640 criminal defense lawyer extraordinaire,

00:17:45.960 who defended President Donald Trump

00:17:47.860 in his second impeachment trial

00:17:49.500 on the floor of the U.S. Senate,

00:17:51.520 joins us.

00:17:52.400 I'm anxious to ask David Schoen,

00:17:54.940 attorney,

00:17:56.200 whether justice is going to be seen

00:17:59.400 in the Russian collusion case

00:18:00.660 and whether there is a way

00:18:02.460 for these cases

00:18:04.140 to be tried somewhere

00:18:05.140 out of Washington, D.C.

00:18:06.940 You see, having been through

00:18:08.180 the Washington, D.C. meat grinder myself,

00:18:10.600 I realized that in the District of Columbia,

00:18:13.220 the Constitution,

00:18:14.560 the law,

00:18:15.480 the rules,

00:18:16.320 the evidence,

00:18:17.380 none of these things matter

00:18:18.660 in the most politicized jurisdiction

00:18:20.760 in the country

00:18:21.960 in which no Trump supporter

00:18:23.860 can get a fair trial

00:18:25.540 and where no Trump antagonist

00:18:27.900 will be held responsible

00:18:29.000 for their illegal actions.

00:18:31.420 If you're just tuning in,

00:18:32.600 I'm Roger Stone

00:18:33.340 and this is The Stone Zone.

00:18:34.480 Whatever you do,

00:18:35.480 don't touch that dial.

00:18:49.040 This is The Stone Zone.

00:18:51.620 Now, get in the zone.

00:18:53.560 It's The Stone Zone.

00:18:55.540 Here's Roger Stone.

00:18:58.480 Welcome back into The Zone.

00:19:02.120 Since President Donald Trump's

00:19:03.660 historic victory in 2016,

00:19:05.800 Democrats have relentlessly pushed

00:19:08.040 the now-debunked narrative

00:19:09.980 that his campaign

00:19:10.900 colluded with Russia

00:19:12.520 to sway the election.

00:19:14.380 They didn't just question the outcome,

00:19:16.340 they amplified the narrative

00:19:17.620 with politically charged rhetoric

00:19:19.700 that deepened national division.

00:19:22.120 The actions of the Trump presidency

00:19:24.720 have revealed the dishonorable fact

00:19:26.740 of the president's betrayal

00:19:28.260 of his oath of office,

00:19:30.080 betrayal of our national security,

00:19:32.060 and betrayal of the integrity

00:19:33.340 of our elections,

00:19:34.740 declared Speaker of the House

00:19:36.380 Nancy Pelosi on September 24, 2019.

00:19:40.240 For four years,

00:19:41.600 Democrats relentlessly pursued

00:19:44.180 Donald Trump,

00:19:45.380 weaponizing investigations,

00:19:46.940 and working to delegitimize

00:19:48.940 his presidency.

00:19:50.300 Then, in 2021,

00:19:52.200 they shattered political precedent

00:19:53.800 entirely by voting to impeach him

00:19:55.800 after he'd already left office,

00:19:58.380 an action no former president

00:20:00.120 had ever faced.

00:20:02.300 Their justification was rooted

00:20:04.020 in Article I, Section 3,

00:20:06.500 Clause 7 of the U.S. Constitution.

00:20:09.680 Impeachment, they argued,

00:20:11.660 isn't solely about removal from office,

00:20:14.060 but it also serves to bar individuals

00:20:16.820 from ever holding public office again.

00:20:20.760 But now,

00:20:21.640 with the recent release

00:20:23.200 of declassified documents

00:20:24.540 by the Director of National Intelligence,

00:20:27.320 Tulsi Gabbard,

00:20:28.540 revealing how the Obama administration

00:20:30.500 manipulated intelligent assessments

00:20:32.860 to sabotage President Trump's

00:20:34.760 2016 victory,

00:20:36.820 Democrats may have opened

00:20:38.160 a constitutional door

00:20:39.660 they now regret.

00:20:41.780 Former Trump impeachment attorney

00:20:43.440 David Schoen,

00:20:44.840 criminal defense attorney extraordinaire,

00:20:47.660 who ably represented Donald Trump

00:20:49.580 in his second impeachment trial,

00:20:51.860 joins us now

00:20:53.300 because he believes

00:20:55.380 that this precedent

00:20:56.680 could hit Obama

00:20:58.040 squarely in his legacy.

00:21:00.700 David Schoen,

00:21:01.380 welcome back in

00:21:02.320 to the Stone Zone.

00:21:04.020 Thank you very much.

00:21:05.180 Always an honor to be with you.

00:21:06.160 So, David,

00:21:08.440 we saw a clip

00:21:09.900 the other day

00:21:10.540 of the President.

00:21:11.320 He was asked directly

00:21:12.300 whether this recent

00:21:13.500 Supreme Court decision

00:21:15.120 regarding the President

00:21:17.100 having immunity

00:21:18.140 would protect Barack Obama

00:21:21.000 from prosecution

00:21:22.480 based on everything we know.

00:21:25.060 And I think he said

00:21:26.580 kind of cavalierly,

00:21:28.080 yes,

00:21:28.440 probably helps him a lot.

00:21:30.080 But you put forward

00:21:31.780 a very shrewd analysis

00:21:34.220 that the Democrats

00:21:35.420 now have the risk

00:21:38.380 of being hoisted

00:21:39.480 on their own petard,

00:21:40.760 so to speak.

00:21:42.060 Lay this out for us.

00:21:44.180 Yeah, sure.

00:21:45.380 So, President Trump

00:21:46.360 was absolutely right

00:21:47.320 when he said

00:21:47.960 that the immunity decision

00:21:49.640 in Trump versus the United States

00:21:50.980 would help

00:21:51.740 former President Obama

00:21:53.400 evade prosecution

00:21:55.220 at this point.

00:21:56.260 All of this is based

00:21:57.220 on the idea,

00:21:57.880 the premise,

00:21:58.640 the evidence shows,

00:22:00.040 as Director Gabbard

00:22:01.340 has said

00:22:01.820 that former President Obama

00:22:03.520 was directly involved

00:22:04.840 in a scheme

00:22:06.120 with others

00:22:07.400 to skew

00:22:09.440 the election result,

00:22:10.540 undermine

00:22:10.940 the will of the people

00:22:12.040 in the election.

00:22:13.080 If the evidence

00:22:13.560 doesn't show that,

00:22:14.700 then the discussion

00:22:15.320 is simply academic.

00:22:16.600 But assuming

00:22:17.040 for these purposes

00:22:17.960 the evidence shows that,

00:22:19.720 President Trump

00:22:20.280 was right

00:22:20.680 that the immunity decision

00:22:22.060 helps President Obama

00:22:23.000 in a matter of first course.

00:22:24.620 But what doesn't help him with

00:22:26.280 is the impeachment process.

00:22:27.880 Without any question,

00:22:29.180 100%,

00:22:30.020 according to the Democratic

00:22:31.640 members of the

00:22:32.940 House of Representatives

00:22:34.120 and the Senate vote

00:22:35.700 in the second impeachment trial,

00:22:37.860 former President Obama

00:22:39.020 absolutely can be impeached

00:22:41.800 and convicted

00:22:42.960 in a trial before the Senate.

00:22:44.900 I argued vigorously

00:22:46.640 against that position

00:22:47.660 that a former president

00:22:48.480 is not subject

00:22:50.100 to impeachment

00:22:50.860 and conviction

00:22:52.100 in a Senate trial

00:22:53.080 once out of office

00:22:54.180 because removal from office

00:22:56.040 is a prerequisite

00:22:57.260 for an impeachment concept.

00:23:00.020 However,

00:23:01.220 the House managers

00:23:02.060 argued

00:23:02.600 some 30 pages

00:23:04.940 in their brief

00:23:06.040 that that's not at all the case.

00:23:07.620 The history

00:23:08.060 and other interpretive tools

00:23:11.040 tell us

00:23:12.520 that without any question

00:23:13.700 a former president

00:23:15.180 can be impeached

00:23:16.120 and convicted

00:23:16.980 going back

00:23:17.920 as far as George Washington

00:23:19.120 and any other

00:23:20.180 former president.

00:23:21.180 And they go on

00:23:22.000 to explain

00:23:22.580 all of their reasons why

00:23:23.980 and why there are

00:23:24.860 two separate provisions

00:23:25.920 in Article 1,

00:23:28.300 Section 3, Clause 7.

00:23:29.840 One provides for removal

00:23:31.040 and the other provides

00:23:32.460 for disqualification

00:23:33.840 from holding future office.

00:23:36.300 And that's why

00:23:37.360 their reason is

00:23:38.180 essentially

00:23:38.740 a former president

00:23:40.060 can be impeached

00:23:41.340 because,

00:23:41.960 and convicted

00:23:42.440 because they say

00:23:43.220 it's just as important

00:23:44.520 that person could have followers

00:23:46.340 even after leaving office

00:23:47.500 and so the person

00:23:48.460 should never be able

00:23:49.180 to hold high office again.

00:23:51.120 But in fact,

00:23:51.680 they went much further.

00:23:52.600 And this is particularly telling

00:23:54.420 it seems to me

00:23:55.160 if the evidence shows

00:23:56.580 what Director Gabbard

00:23:57.780 has suggested

00:23:58.380 it shows

00:23:59.240 it goes right

00:24:00.260 to the heart

00:24:00.900 of the democracy

00:24:02.260 the power of the vote

00:24:04.020 the will of the people

00:24:05.220 exercised

00:24:06.060 through their vote.

00:24:07.260 What they wrote

00:24:07.860 the House managers

00:24:08.980 Jamie Raskin

00:24:09.760 and crew

00:24:10.540 wrote in their brief

00:24:11.520 was that the framers

00:24:12.820 anticipated the risk

00:24:13.920 of someone being out of office

00:24:15.440 and they explained

00:24:16.660 that presidential abuse

00:24:18.320 aimed at our

00:24:19.220 democratic process itself

00:24:20.780 was the single

00:24:22.020 most urgent basis

00:24:23.100 for impeachment.

00:24:24.240 Well, of course,

00:24:24.620 the evidence

00:24:24.980 we're talking about here

00:24:25.860 if it's proven

00:24:26.740 goes to the very core

00:24:28.720 of the democratic process

00:24:30.440 and therefore

00:24:31.040 there would be an imperative

00:24:32.160 to impeach

00:24:33.440 former President Obama

00:24:34.820 because as the House managers wrote

00:24:37.040 if you do let someone

00:24:38.380 get away

00:24:39.020 with attacking

00:24:40.940 the democratic process

00:24:42.440 it will send

00:24:43.520 a horrible message

00:24:44.480 throughout the rest

00:24:45.700 of American history.

00:24:47.560 And so I think

00:24:48.660 their words

00:24:49.500 are very powerful

00:24:50.460 in there

00:24:51.140 but this goes

00:24:52.260 beyond it, Roger.

00:24:53.300 I think this is

00:24:54.040 an important point

00:24:54.820 to make.

00:24:55.740 The immunity decision

00:24:56.660 as I say

00:24:57.240 and as President Trump said

00:24:58.200 as a matter of first courts

00:24:59.220 would probably

00:25:00.460 prohibit prosecution.

00:25:03.220 Some have suggested

00:25:03.960 otherwise

00:25:04.580 and the key here

00:25:05.660 is understanding

00:25:06.340 what that decision held.

00:25:07.900 Very simply

00:25:08.480 it held that

00:25:09.140 if something is

00:25:09.880 within the core

00:25:10.600 official acts

00:25:11.860 of the president

00:25:12.880 then it's absolutely

00:25:14.400 immune from

00:25:15.240 criminal prosecution

00:25:16.160 just as it is

00:25:17.100 from a civil lawsuit

00:25:17.780 Nixon versus Fitzgerald

00:25:19.340 and if it's within

00:25:20.640 that outer limit

00:25:21.700 of the official acts

00:25:23.800 it's presumptively

00:25:25.060 immune.

00:25:28.020 It's presumptive immunity

00:25:28.960 something that's not

00:25:29.860 an official act

00:25:30.580 wouldn't have the benefit

00:25:32.040 of immunity

00:25:32.500 but we're also not allowed

00:25:33.900 to look into the motive

00:25:34.880 behind the action.

00:25:36.140 So let's just say

00:25:37.020 that the evidence

00:25:38.460 is there

00:25:38.940 however

00:25:39.460 former President Obama

00:25:40.940 and his colleagues

00:25:41.800 can spin a tale

00:25:42.960 so that

00:25:43.480 this was somehow

00:25:44.380 his view of

00:25:45.660 you know

00:25:45.900 ensuring the integrity

00:25:46.820 of the election

00:25:47.360 something like that

00:25:48.280 so he has the benefit

00:25:49.120 of immunity.

00:25:50.340 Now he gets impeached

00:25:51.560 by the House

00:25:52.340 majority of the House

00:25:53.520 impeaches him

00:25:54.060 and he gets tried

00:25:54.920 before the Senate

00:25:55.620 and convicted

00:25:56.480 because the evidence

00:25:57.240 is overwhelming

00:25:57.880 let's just assume

00:25:58.720 for argument's sake.

00:26:00.360 Now according to

00:26:01.420 Article 1, Section 3

00:26:02.780 Clause 7

00:26:04.380 of the Constitution

00:26:05.260 in my view

00:26:06.080 he would be able

00:26:07.560 to be prosecuted

00:26:08.520 criminally.

00:26:09.260 Why?

00:26:09.820 Because the text

00:26:10.800 of the Constitution

00:26:11.700 expressly provides

00:26:13.300 for it in that case

00:26:14.380 and that in the case here

00:26:15.780 it says

00:26:16.600 judgment in cases

00:26:18.100 of impeachment

00:26:18.680 shall not extend

00:26:19.700 further than

00:26:20.820 to removal

00:26:21.280 from office

00:26:21.840 of disqualification

00:26:22.840 to hold

00:26:23.580 and enjoy

00:26:24.060 any office

00:26:24.620 of honor

00:26:25.040 etc.

00:26:26.600 But the party

00:26:27.860 convicted

00:26:28.500 shall nevertheless

00:26:29.800 be liable

00:26:31.300 and subject

00:26:32.020 to indictment

00:26:32.980 trial

00:26:33.640 judgment

00:26:34.400 and punishment

00:26:35.360 according to law

00:26:36.460 and so

00:26:37.440 one would argue

00:26:38.500 this would supersede

00:26:39.500 that immunity decision

00:26:40.400 because it's an

00:26:40.960 intervening event

00:26:41.920 an impeachment

00:26:43.080 and a conviction

00:26:44.360 by the Senate

00:26:45.160 under Article 1

00:26:46.740 Section 3

00:26:47.600 so therefore

00:26:50.100 it triggers

00:26:50.580 this clause

00:26:51.220 and it could be

00:26:52.360 it could be

00:26:53.700 indicted

00:26:54.360 tried and convicted

00:26:55.440 by a jury

00:26:56.140 criminally.

00:26:56.960 This by the way

00:26:57.640 is perfectly consistent

00:26:58.860 with an argument

00:26:59.920 that President Trump

00:27:00.740 made in the

00:27:02.360 immunity case

00:27:03.960 and that is

00:27:04.820 using the impeachment clause

00:27:06.540 he argued

00:27:07.820 in the position

00:27:08.760 that was rejected

00:27:09.400 by the Supreme Court

00:27:10.240 he argued

00:27:10.760 that

00:27:11.040 the only way

00:27:12.600 a person

00:27:12.940 can be

00:27:13.560 tried criminally

00:27:14.400 is if they're

00:27:15.080 first convicted

00:27:16.240 after an impeachment

00:27:17.660 trial

00:27:18.100 in the Senate

00:27:18.920 so it's probably

00:27:20.500 very consistent

00:27:20.980 with his view

00:27:21.640 on that

00:27:22.020 but it's

00:27:23.220 in the language

00:27:24.060 the express language

00:27:24.760 of the Constitution

00:27:25.980 So David

00:27:27.820 President Donald Trump

00:27:29.040 filed a civil lawsuit

00:27:30.480 in March of 2022

00:27:32.140 in the U.S. District Court

00:27:34.500 for the Southern District

00:27:35.460 of Florida

00:27:36.140 specifically against

00:27:38.540 Hillary Clinton

00:27:39.160 the Democrat National Committee

00:27:40.600 and others

00:27:41.320 alleging a conspiracy

00:27:43.360 to falsely tie

00:27:44.620 his 2016 presidential

00:27:46.560 campaign to Russia

00:27:47.540 The case was dismissed

00:27:49.960 in September of 2022

00:27:51.580 by U.S. District Judge

00:27:53.900 Donald M. Middlebrooks

00:27:55.260 a Clinton appointee

00:27:56.500 who described it

00:27:57.920 as being without merit

00:27:59.440 as having glaring

00:28:01.640 structural deficiencies

00:28:03.020 and he imposed

00:28:04.520 sanctions of nearly

00:28:05.780 one million dollars

00:28:06.860 against President Trump

00:28:08.640 and his attorney

00:28:09.520 in the case

00:28:10.140 Alina Haber

00:28:11.460 Now that the assertions

00:28:13.640 in that lawsuit

00:28:14.380 have been proven

00:28:15.880 by the declassification

00:28:17.680 of these documents

00:28:18.540 to be completely

00:28:19.740 and totally true

00:28:20.700 what happens

00:28:22.000 to this lawsuit

00:28:23.040 and more specifically

00:28:24.560 what happens

00:28:25.600 to this million dollar fine?

00:28:28.640 Yeah well that's

00:28:29.040 a great question

00:28:29.720 On the one hand

00:28:31.540 federal courts

00:28:32.360 make it very difficult

00:28:33.460 to come back

00:28:34.760 and revisit

00:28:35.320 a final judgment

00:28:36.440 in the case

00:28:36.920 I would add by the way

00:28:38.220 Judge Middlebrooks

00:28:38.980 is not one of my favorites

00:28:40.080 but that's beside the point

00:28:42.880 So anyway

00:28:45.240 federal courts

00:28:45.740 make it difficult

00:28:46.120 to come back

00:28:46.680 and revisit

00:28:47.220 a final judgment

00:28:48.460 However

00:28:49.180 there are tools

00:28:50.200 under Rule 60D

00:28:51.540 of the Federal Rules

00:28:52.700 of Civil Procedure

00:28:53.640 that in certain circumstances

00:28:55.560 do allow it

00:28:56.240 Some of them are

00:28:57.040 time sensitive

00:28:58.360 but some aren't

00:28:59.340 There's a catch-all clause

00:29:00.220 60D is thick

00:29:01.060 but it may be

00:29:02.640 that 60D-4

00:29:03.500 and 60D-5

00:29:04.320 apply here

00:29:05.300 because as you said

00:29:06.760 there's a fine

00:29:07.860 involved here

00:29:08.600 of a million dollars

00:29:09.380 If you can show

00:29:11.060 extraordinary circumstances

00:29:12.900 and certainly

00:29:14.380 it seems like

00:29:14.980 extraordinary circumstances

00:29:16.060 to uncover

00:29:16.940 previously classified

00:29:18.540 or secret documents

00:29:19.880 that now expose

00:29:21.240 events that are at odds

00:29:23.000 with the basis

00:29:24.100 on which the judge

00:29:25.180 made his judgment

00:29:26.200 That's an extraordinary

00:29:27.220 circumstance

00:29:27.800 it seems to me

00:29:28.520 But beyond that

00:29:30.280 they're using

00:29:31.200 that judgment

00:29:31.840 for prospective purposes

00:29:33.880 It's not just

00:29:34.620 that the judgment

00:29:35.120 sat there

00:29:35.780 and had some impact

00:29:37.360 at that time

00:29:38.000 It can be used now

00:29:39.520 to collect

00:29:40.180 on that judgment

00:29:40.980 and one would argue

00:29:43.120 that it's

00:29:43.880 an invalid judgment

00:29:45.900 for the reasons

00:29:47.420 of the extraordinary

00:29:48.220 circumstances

00:29:48.800 this disclosure

00:29:49.480 explained

00:29:50.300 and therefore

00:29:51.280 another mechanism

00:29:52.300 to get back in

00:29:53.120 could be either

00:29:53.820 60B-5

00:29:55.300 or 60B-4

00:29:56.420 arguing that

00:29:58.220 we can't allow

00:30:00.000 a void

00:30:00.540 or invalid judgment

00:30:02.340 to be used

00:30:02.840 for prospective purposes

00:30:04.400 How unfair

00:30:05.860 would that be?

00:30:06.900 You were wrong

00:30:07.660 judge

00:30:08.040 but we're still

00:30:08.600 going to let you

00:30:09.200 collect a million dollars

00:30:10.540 and sanctions

00:30:11.080 for the other side

00:30:11.800 So yesterday

00:30:14.560 John Solomon

00:30:16.440 with Just the News

00:30:17.480 reported that

00:30:18.600 the Attorney General

00:30:20.100 Pam Bondi

00:30:21.000 had ordered

00:30:21.920 a federal prosecutor

00:30:23.100 to begin

00:30:23.760 presenting evidence

00:30:25.540 to a grand jury

00:30:26.880 against those

00:30:28.740 who were exposed

00:30:29.620 in the declassification

00:30:31.360 of documents

00:30:32.160 by Tulsi Gabbard

00:30:34.380 but the speculation

00:30:35.660 was that

00:30:36.460 that grand jury

00:30:37.420 was in Florida

00:30:39.300 rather than

00:30:40.540 in the District

00:30:41.240 of Columbia

00:30:41.960 I obviously

00:30:43.160 welcome that news

00:30:44.480 if it is correct

00:30:45.520 but I'm trying

00:30:46.720 to determine

00:30:47.420 why that venue

00:30:49.580 and here's a theory

00:30:51.560 the raid

00:30:53.340 on Mar-a-Lago

00:30:54.220 since it was

00:30:55.960 actually designed

00:30:57.000 to seize evidence

00:30:58.960 of the guilt

00:31:00.360 of those involved

00:31:01.580 in the Russian

00:31:02.060 collusion hoax

00:31:02.920 was part of a

00:31:04.180 continuing

00:31:05.020 seditious conspiracy

00:31:06.440 continued

00:31:08.020 until that date

00:31:09.240 and that

00:31:10.400 that took place

00:31:11.600 in Florida

00:31:12.240 thus allowing

00:31:13.520 the case

00:31:14.000 to be pursued

00:31:14.780 in the Sunshine State

00:31:16.440 now that's

00:31:17.660 so much

00:31:18.120 for my

00:31:18.460 amateur

00:31:19.040 lawyering

00:31:19.900 how could

00:31:21.520 this case

00:31:22.160 against

00:31:23.100 Brennan

00:31:23.760 Comey

00:31:24.400 Clapper

00:31:25.220 Biden

00:31:26.240 Rice

00:31:26.920 Weissman

00:31:28.340 Mueller

00:31:29.120 this list

00:31:29.820 goes on

00:31:30.320 and on

00:31:30.720 how could

00:31:31.840 this be pursued

00:31:32.580 some place

00:31:33.280 where there

00:31:34.360 could actually

00:31:34.840 be a fair

00:31:35.680 trial

00:31:36.160 and where

00:31:36.860 there's

00:31:37.120 a reasonable

00:31:38.080 probability

00:31:38.720 of conviction

00:31:39.440 based on

00:31:40.260 the evidence

00:31:40.760 Good question

00:31:42.920 again

00:31:43.280 and I think

00:31:43.720 your analysis

00:31:44.200 your theory

00:31:44.960 is a good one

00:31:45.540 but remember

00:31:46.300 in the Florida

00:31:47.560 case

00:31:47.980 they convened

00:31:48.800 a grand jury

00:31:49.420 in Washington

00:31:50.040 D.C.

00:31:51.020 to hear much

00:31:51.740 of the evidence

00:31:52.360 then used

00:31:53.500 or to be used

00:31:54.780 in the Florida

00:31:55.540 case

00:31:55.900 here

00:31:56.380 I think

00:31:57.020 there could

00:31:57.340 be a theory

00:31:57.940 also

00:31:58.520 first of all

00:31:59.100 the point is

00:31:59.820 they want it

00:32:00.480 outside of D.C.

00:32:01.420 ideally

00:32:03.060 because

00:32:04.100 you know

00:32:04.700 it's one

00:32:05.140 of the jurisdictions

00:32:05.760 in the country

00:32:06.360 in which

00:32:07.320 you know

00:32:08.360 the voters

00:32:08.860 overwhelmingly

00:32:10.060 democratic

00:32:10.760 and we see

00:32:11.540 a lot of

00:32:11.960 political decisions

00:32:12.780 from the judges

00:32:13.960 in that jurisdiction

00:32:14.940 and from juries

00:32:16.860 human nature

00:32:18.800 in a sense

00:32:19.280 I think

00:32:20.280 one could make

00:32:21.120 an argument

00:32:21.560 that if the evidence

00:32:22.260 here really is

00:32:23.240 evidence of

00:32:24.260 this is conspiracy

00:32:25.660 under 18 U.S.C.

00:32:27.300 2384

00:32:28.000 or

00:32:29.160 in some

00:32:30.820 some offense

00:32:31.760 that relates

00:32:32.640 to undermining

00:32:33.680 the vote

00:32:34.640 will of the voters

00:32:35.720 and theoretically

00:32:36.900 it affects

00:32:37.720 it has an effect

00:32:38.540 in every state

00:32:39.480 in the union

00:32:40.100 and therefore

00:32:41.680 a grand jury

00:32:42.760 could be convened

00:32:43.760 any place

00:32:44.660 I think that's

00:32:45.420 one theory

00:32:45.980 that could be

00:32:46.740 you know

00:32:47.400 floated out there

00:32:48.560 every American

00:32:49.900 has a stake

00:32:50.640 in seeing justice

00:32:52.240 done because

00:32:52.720 it affects

00:32:53.220 the vote

00:32:53.880 of every American

00:32:54.700 one way or another

00:32:55.760 but we have to see

00:32:57.480 I think what the

00:32:58.020 evidence is

00:32:58.620 what the conduct

00:32:59.580 of issue was

00:33:00.340 it might be

00:33:01.200 that if there

00:33:01.640 were discussions

00:33:02.320 like this

00:33:03.020 some discussions

00:33:03.820 took place

00:33:04.560 over the telephone

00:33:05.240 or the internet

00:33:07.100 from you know

00:33:08.520 various places

00:33:09.120 outside of

00:33:09.780 Washington D.C.

00:33:11.520 I don't know

00:33:12.260 we have to see

00:33:12.780 what the evidence

00:33:13.240 is I think

00:33:13.720 I appreciate

00:33:15.580 that analysis

00:33:16.520 I hope springs

00:33:17.500 eternal

00:33:17.920 that this trial

00:33:19.120 will be

00:33:19.800 take

00:33:20.700 the trials

00:33:21.220 will take place

00:33:21.920 in a jurisdiction

00:33:22.620 other than

00:33:23.320 the District of Columbia

00:33:24.640 I personally

00:33:25.220 have been through

00:33:25.640 that meat grinder

00:33:27.020 as I said

00:33:27.600 earlier in the show

00:33:28.420 in the District of Columbia

00:33:29.300 the Constitution

00:33:30.080 the law

00:33:31.220 the facts

00:33:32.040 the evidence

00:33:32.740 the rules

00:33:33.320 none of these things

00:33:35.200 matter

00:33:35.620 when the court

00:33:37.040 is in order

00:33:37.980 it is the most

00:33:39.160 politicized jurisdiction

00:33:40.460 in the country

00:33:41.200 in my particular case

00:33:42.720 when we learned

00:33:43.700 that the jury

00:33:44.340 forewoman

00:33:44.960 who denied

00:33:46.120 during jury selection

00:33:47.600 and the trial

00:33:48.520 that she had any

00:33:49.720 knowledge of me

00:33:50.520 or my case

00:33:51.420 had been attacking me

00:33:52.820 on Facebook

00:33:53.360 and Twitter

00:33:54.000 by name

00:33:54.740 but had those

00:33:56.220 postings

00:33:56.760 on a private

00:33:57.420 setting

00:33:57.900 once that was

00:33:58.960 revealed

00:33:59.460 the judge

00:34:00.220 actually ruled

00:34:01.020 that none of

00:34:02.000 that was

00:34:02.480 evidence of

00:34:03.460 bias

00:34:03.920 wherever you do

00:34:04.720 don't touch

00:34:05.700 that dial

00:34:06.540 this is the

00:34:07.640 Stone Zone

00:34:08.540 with Roger Stone

00:34:10.200 this is the

00:34:30.320 Stone Zone

00:34:31.260 now

00:34:32.140 get in the

00:34:32.900 zone

00:34:33.320 it's the

00:34:34.140 Stone Zone

00:34:35.120 here's Roger Stone

00:34:37.220 and we're back

00:34:39.880 in the Stone Zone

00:34:41.040 we're talking to

00:34:42.040 perhaps the

00:34:42.920 preeminent criminal

00:34:43.980 defense attorney

00:34:44.800 in the country

00:34:45.920 today

00:34:46.400 David Schoen

00:34:47.440 who very ably

00:34:48.640 represented

00:34:49.180 President Donald

00:34:49.900 Trump in his

00:34:50.520 second impeachment

00:34:51.720 trial on the

00:34:52.500 floor of the

00:34:53.040 U.S. Senate

00:34:53.580 David you were

00:34:55.060 back in the news

00:34:55.960 only days ago

00:34:57.140 because of this

00:34:58.540 vicious effort

00:34:59.920 to smear

00:35:00.840 Donald Trump

00:35:01.660 as having had

00:35:03.000 a somehow

00:35:03.500 inappropriate

00:35:04.220 relationship

00:35:05.240 with Jeffrey Epstein

00:35:06.840 who was convicted

00:35:07.700 of sex crimes

00:35:09.040 in Florida

00:35:09.660 and was indicted

00:35:10.520 in 2019

00:35:11.800 in New York

00:35:12.900 on one count

00:35:14.400 of child sex

00:35:15.220 trafficking

00:35:15.680 and a second

00:35:16.240 count of the

00:35:16.960 conspiracy

00:35:17.860 to engage

00:35:18.940 in child sex

00:35:20.120 trafficking

00:35:20.640 but you revealed

00:35:23.040 to the American

00:35:23.660 public that you

00:35:24.520 discussed this

00:35:25.220 matter with

00:35:26.200 Jeffrey Epstein

00:35:26.920 just before his

00:35:28.140 death

00:35:28.500 why don't you

00:35:29.640 take it from

00:35:30.120 there

00:35:30.360 sure

00:35:32.140 well

00:35:32.580 you know

00:35:33.120 as one might

00:35:33.700 imagine

00:35:34.160 any criminal

00:35:35.800 defense lawyer

00:35:36.480 in meeting

00:35:37.360 with a client

00:35:37.880 who's facing

00:35:38.420 a federal

00:35:39.220 indictment

00:35:39.760 would want

00:35:40.480 to know

00:35:40.900 what kind

00:35:41.640 of leverage

00:35:42.260 that defendant

00:35:43.980 might have

00:35:44.820 to help

00:35:46.120 himself in

00:35:46.660 some kind

00:35:47.060 of deal

00:35:47.440 or something

00:35:48.260 like that

00:35:48.820 I happen

00:35:50.020 to have made

00:35:50.440 it a practice

00:35:50.920 in my practice

00:35:52.160 that I don't

00:35:52.540 represent

00:35:52.880 cooperators

00:35:53.580 but everyone

00:35:54.280 ought to be

00:35:55.100 advised of

00:35:55.720 that opportunity

00:35:56.920 I just don't

00:35:57.860 believe it

00:35:58.180 philosophically

00:35:59.080 that one

00:35:59.340 should turn

00:35:59.640 against friends

00:36:00.180 all that

00:36:00.740 but everyone

00:36:01.380 should have

00:36:01.840 that opportunity

00:36:02.720 to help him

00:36:03.600 or herself

00:36:04.080 in a case

00:36:04.880 and a lawyer

00:36:05.200 has an obligation

00:36:05.760 to explain

00:36:06.500 that to the

00:36:07.200 client

00:36:07.480 I won't

00:36:08.860 you know

00:36:09.120 I never

00:36:09.460 go into

00:36:10.000 attorney-client

00:36:10.920 privilege

00:36:11.280 discussions

00:36:12.420 regarding any

00:36:13.440 of my

00:36:13.940 conversations

00:36:15.080 with any

00:36:15.540 client

00:36:15.880 however in

00:36:16.680 this case

00:36:17.240 I expressly

00:36:19.200 discussed

00:36:19.860 with Jeffrey

00:36:20.320 Epstein

00:36:20.660 whether he

00:36:21.460 had anything

00:36:22.480 any information

00:36:24.360 that could help

00:36:25.000 him by hurting

00:36:26.160 Donald Trump

00:36:26.780 that is

00:36:27.220 any information

00:36:28.080 that Donald

00:36:29.180 Trump did

00:36:29.560 anything illegal

00:36:30.360 or improper

00:36:31.280 and had he

00:36:33.320 not authorized

00:36:34.100 me to

00:36:34.700 I wouldn't

00:36:35.340 have disclosed

00:36:35.900 the answer

00:36:36.300 to that

00:36:36.560 but he did

00:36:37.360 and he said

00:36:38.140 to me

00:36:38.480 in no uncertain

00:36:39.480 terms

00:36:39.840 and he had

00:36:40.360 no information

00:36:41.100 that could hurt

00:36:41.860 Donald Trump

00:36:42.420 in any way

00:36:43.040 because Donald

00:36:43.600 Trump had not

00:36:44.380 done anything

00:36:44.860 illegal or improper

00:36:46.060 with him

00:36:46.540 and then he made

00:36:47.900 it clear that he

00:36:48.500 wanted that known

00:36:49.320 so that's why

00:36:50.000 I've revealed it

00:36:50.740 now

00:36:50.940 I revealed it

00:36:51.700 in response

00:36:52.140 to Mr.

00:36:53.080 Musk's tweet

00:36:53.820 suggesting

00:36:54.360 that maybe

00:36:55.180 President Trump

00:36:55.820 was withholding

00:36:56.420 documents here

00:36:57.100 because he had

00:36:57.700 something to

00:36:58.060 appear for himself

00:36:58.640 I thought that was

00:36:59.500 an outrageous

00:36:59.980 even suggestion

00:37:01.500 to make

00:37:01.940 and I knew

00:37:02.620 it not to be

00:37:03.180 true

00:37:03.460 so I felt

00:37:04.060 an obligation

00:37:04.520 to come forward

00:37:05.160 but again

00:37:05.740 I would not

00:37:06.320 have had

00:37:07.100 Jeffrey Epstein

00:37:07.700 not authorized

00:37:08.380 it

00:37:08.600 he felt

00:37:09.220 strongly about

00:37:09.920 it

00:37:10.020 he didn't

00:37:10.280 want anybody

00:37:10.940 but particularly

00:37:11.540 Donald Trump

00:37:12.080 and I can

00:37:12.380 explain why

00:37:12.960 being falsely

00:37:14.760 accused of having

00:37:15.520 been engaged

00:37:16.100 in conduct

00:37:16.980 with him

00:37:17.420 it was illegal

00:37:18.360 etc

00:37:19.000 Donald Trump

00:37:20.260 they had had

00:37:21.400 a friendship

00:37:21.860 like you know

00:37:23.480 tens or hundreds

00:37:24.800 of wealthy

00:37:25.700 successful people

00:37:26.640 in the world

00:37:27.540 had with

00:37:28.120 Jeffrey Epstein

00:37:28.940 some friendship

00:37:30.440 on some level

00:37:31.280 and Donald Trump

00:37:34.160 among all of the

00:37:34.960 other people

00:37:35.520 is the one person

00:37:36.660 who cut off

00:37:37.600 that relationship

00:37:38.680 cut it off

00:37:39.700 for a couple

00:37:40.160 of reasons

00:37:40.660 but cut it off

00:37:41.380 we're talking

00:37:42.140 you know

00:37:42.400 decades ago

00:37:43.540 and so

00:37:45.320 you know

00:37:45.800 that hurt

00:37:46.200 Epstein

00:37:46.640 to some degree

00:37:47.400 but he also

00:37:48.660 respected

00:37:49.300 appreciated

00:37:49.880 in any event

00:37:51.260 whether he wanted

00:37:52.520 the friendship

00:37:52.980 back or not

00:37:53.880 he made clear

00:37:55.380 that Donald Trump

00:37:56.080 had done nothing

00:37:56.580 illegal

00:37:56.960 and proper

00:37:57.620 with him

00:37:57.960 and he wanted

00:37:58.500 that made known

00:37:59.660 now you know

00:38:00.960 some suggested

00:38:01.520 oh gee

00:38:01.840 that's convenient

00:38:02.440 you know

00:38:02.760 here you represented

00:38:03.420 Donald Trump

00:38:04.480 his impeachment

00:38:05.200 trial

00:38:05.500 now you're saying

00:38:05.980 this about

00:38:06.240 Jeffrey Epstein

00:38:06.840 I didn't know

00:38:08.060 Donald Trump

00:38:08.720 at that time

00:38:09.360 we're talking

00:38:09.720 about 2019

00:38:10.520 I got a call

00:38:11.960 to represent

00:38:12.440 President Trump

00:38:13.300 his impeachment

00:38:14.140 trial

00:38:14.460 two weeks

00:38:15.160 before the

00:38:15.640 impeachment

00:38:16.000 trial

00:38:16.360 in 2021

00:38:17.520 so you know

00:38:19.640 one can suggest

00:38:20.360 anything they like

00:38:21.160 but I've got

00:38:22.720 no other motive

00:38:23.660 here

00:38:23.860 except that I think

00:38:24.800 it's important

00:38:25.440 to bring the truth

00:38:26.080 out

00:38:26.320 I think what's

00:38:27.420 going on here

00:38:28.020 quite frankly

00:38:28.680 in my view

00:38:29.240 is an attempt

00:38:30.500 but look

00:38:31.200 the left

00:38:31.760 and the right

00:38:32.180 have separate

00:38:32.800 agendas here

00:38:33.460 but on the left

00:38:34.520 to drag the thing

00:38:36.880 out

00:38:37.280 out

00:38:37.560 out

00:38:37.920 to make it

00:38:38.640 sort of

00:38:38.940 Mueller

00:38:39.180 to try to

00:38:40.220 paralyze the government

00:38:41.060 try to distract

00:38:41.880 from all of

00:38:42.560 President Trump's

00:38:43.520 accomplishments

00:38:44.020 and help

00:38:45.680 themselves

00:38:46.140 in the midterms

00:38:47.200 with these

00:38:47.920 you know

00:38:48.540 suggestions

00:38:49.200 of maybe

00:38:50.040 something improper

00:38:50.780 but it defies

00:38:51.700 logic

00:38:52.180 you can be

00:38:53.100 sure

00:38:53.400 the accusers

00:38:54.400 of Jeffrey Epstein

00:38:55.360 filed lawsuit

00:38:56.560 after lawsuit

00:38:57.280 with lawyers

00:38:57.900 who have made

00:38:58.540 millions of dollars

00:38:59.580 against anyone

00:39:00.900 who those accusers

00:39:01.960 said they had

00:39:02.740 any illicit

00:39:03.460 affair with

00:39:04.660 through Jeffrey Epstein

00:39:06.140 so you can imagine

00:39:07.860 that if some accuser

00:39:08.800 were out there

00:39:09.380 and had some

00:39:10.060 knowledge about

00:39:10.580 Donald Trump

00:39:11.000 they would have

00:39:11.520 filed a lawsuit

00:39:12.220 a long time ago

00:39:13.500 I'm afraid we're

00:39:14.500 going to have to

00:39:15.000 leave it there

00:39:15.400 I want to thank

00:39:15.860 our guest David

00:39:16.640 Schoen

00:39:17.080 and for our

00:39:17.700 many guests

00:39:18.440 until tomorrow

00:39:19.480 God bless you

00:39:20.420 and Godspeed

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