The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - October 03, 2025


The Stone Zone ｜ 10-02-25

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Real ID abuse concerns
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Roger Stone Troy Smith Jake Novak
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James O'Keefe Epstein Donald Trump Charlie Kirk Pfizer Ashley Biden Joe Biden Hillary Clinton Robert Mueller James Comey Markey Andrew Weissman Letitia James Barack Obama John Brennan James Rosen Adam Schiff Stephen Hoffenberg Robert F. Kennedy Ronald Reagan and 23 more
The Stone Zone ｜ 10-01-25 The Stone Zone ｜ 10-03-25

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James O'Keefe, founder of Project Veritas, a group dedicated to exposing government corruption and cover-up, joins me in this episode to talk about his experience with the FBI, and why he believes the Deep State is trying to silence him.

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00:00:41.780 For today's show, I'm particularly proud to have a very good friend of mine, James O'Keefe,
00:00:48.260 who is an American investigative journalist.
00:00:51.220 He, of course, was the founder of Project Veritas.
00:00:54.280 His current organization, the O'Keefe Media Group, setting the world on fire.
00:01:00.000 O'Keefe really is the man who pioneered the whole art of undercover recorded audio and
00:01:06.620 video encounters with academics, governmental and social service organizations and individuals
00:01:11.780 exposing fraud, malfeasance, and illegality by many in the deep state.
00:01:19.240 James O'Keefe has been my friend so long, Laura Loomer was a blonde when we first met. 1.00
00:01:25.920 That's how long it's been.
00:01:27.420 Back in the days when he started his organization in Westchester, right outside of New York City.
00:01:34.080 And we've been friends through thick and thin.
00:01:36.240 I supported him when he was falsely accused of misconduct in Louisiana, and he certainly
00:01:43.280 supported me when I was targeted by the deep state.
00:01:46.380 But we share one more important thing in common, and that is we've both been raided by the FBI.
00:01:53.580 It's even more egregious, I think, in his case, because James O'Keefe is a journalist
00:01:58.640 and a legitimate one.
00:01:59.920 Some in the mainstream media don't like his form of journalism, but it is fair and it is
00:02:08.080 honest.
00:02:09.040 They really don't like it because it's exposed them.
00:02:12.820 James, welcome into the Stone Zone.
00:02:16.500 Thank you, Roger, for having me, and I appreciate it.
00:02:19.080 So, I've talked on the show many times about my own experience of having my home stormed
00:02:27.660 at 6 a.m. by 29 fully SWAT-clad FBI agents in full SWAT gear, wearing night goggles, brandishing
00:02:38.240 fully automatic M4 assault weapons.
00:02:41.240 A raid, by the way, that cost the American taxpayers $1.1 million.
00:02:45.900 They arrived in 17 armored vehicles, two amphibious units, a helicopter, all for little old me.
00:02:55.820 An absurdity because, of course, they knew that I had no valid passport.
00:03:02.220 They knew that I had no weapon.
00:03:05.080 I'm a supporter of the Second Amendment, but I did not have a gun in the house.
00:03:09.260 And, of course, famously, CNN was 25 feet from my front door, having been tipped off by Andrew Weissman,
00:03:17.960 the de facto special counsel.
00:03:20.580 But in your case, this pertained to Ashley Biden's diary, something that you actually never publicized or ran with.
00:03:30.500 So, walk my audience through this, if you would.
00:03:33.300 Thank you, Roger.
00:03:35.840 Yeah, and thank you for coming on the Price is My Life podcast to talk about your situation.
00:03:40.820 This is a crazy dynamic with what happened between me and the FBI, Biden's FBI Justice Department in 2021.
00:03:50.620 This was a document that was sent to me belonging to the daughter of the president.
00:03:56.420 Ashley Biden is her name.
00:03:57.720 Some people know about Hunter Biden.
00:03:59.860 He also has a daughter named Ashley who struggles with drug addiction.
00:04:04.040 So, when she was in a halfway house in Florida, Delray, Florida, in her late 30s,
00:04:10.120 she authored this diary that she abandoned in the halfway house.
00:04:15.740 It was found by the next tenant who decided to tip it off to us.
00:04:22.180 So, we paid for the rights to this document and obtained it.
00:04:29.680 And the FBI executed a search warrant a year later on my property.
00:04:35.660 Armed FBI agents at gunpoint confiscated my phones.
00:04:40.040 And because I'm a journalist, this is a constitutional crisis.
00:04:43.560 So, long story short, four years later, now we're in February of 2025, present day,
00:04:52.340 they dropped the case against me.
00:04:54.840 They never indicted me or even charged me, but they said there were no criminal issues.
00:04:59.740 And they released the affidavit, which shows the probable cause.
00:05:04.200 That's the justification for the raid.
00:05:05.900 And we're all waiting with bated breath to see what that probable cause was.
00:05:09.480 Well, they redacted every single word of that probable cause.
00:05:14.320 It's entirely redacted.
00:05:16.600 So, it's just an incredible constitutional crisis and egregious because it implicates the First Amendment in an unprecedented way.
00:05:27.020 The FBI has never raided a newsroom before they did this to Project Veritas.
00:05:32.180 It really is extraordinary.
00:05:33.940 I've had that shared experience again.
00:05:35.900 When I went to trial in the District of Columbia, my lawyers wanted the fully unredacted final report of Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
00:05:45.520 The Constitution says that when you're accused of a crime, you're entitled to see all of the evidence against you.
00:05:51.620 But the judge denied that to us at trial.
00:05:55.280 She also denied the famous crowd strikes memo.
00:05:58.340 That was the report from the third-party IT firm who'd been brought in by the Democrat National Committee to supposedly inspect their servers,
00:06:09.580 which allegedly said that the DNC had been the target of an online hack by Russian intelligence.
00:06:17.020 In fact, it didn't say that at all.
00:06:18.440 Anyway, until BuzzFeed, of all people, sued the Department of Justice, that report, which exonerates me, was redacted for more than two years.
00:06:30.080 Once it was finally unredacted, and of course BuzzFeed thought it would embarrass me, it did the exact opposite,
00:06:36.360 only then did I learn that Robert Mueller couldn't sugarcoat the fact that he found no evidence of Russian collusion,
00:06:43.540 no evidence of WikiLeaks collaboration, and in fact, he went so far as to say he couldn't find any other crime,
00:06:49.680 which is why they invented this crime of lying under oath in my voluntary testimony to the House Intelligence Committee.
00:06:58.080 I'm not surprised.
00:06:59.760 I also know that when I, in writing my next book, which is about the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan,
00:07:06.060 I got 32 different documents from the government, over 190 pages, of which there are actually 19 words, you can see.
00:07:15.940 The rest of it is completely and totally redacted.
00:07:19.540 I think we both understand, I said it at the time, the FBI was acting as Joe Biden's Gestapo,
00:07:25.220 and they had no probable cause to raid your home, other than the fact that you, as a journalist,
00:07:30.840 had obtained information that was highly embarrassing to Joe Biden.
00:07:36.060 Yeah, I mean, it's crazy, and the only rational explanation I can think of, Roger,
00:07:42.300 for the redactions in my case was there were confidential FBI informants at Project Veritas.
00:07:48.440 Their intelligence community is implicated somehow, and they need to protect their sources and methods,
00:07:54.340 much like they may have to do in a case involving Epstein.
00:07:58.680 They just can't show certain things because it would implicate the system and how it operates.
00:08:04.240 But again, in my case, and the only, perhaps in my case, you had groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and liberal groups,
00:08:12.820 left-wing groups even, dissent, a reporter's committee for freedom of the press, following amicus in my case,
00:08:19.480 because they were just shocked that these types of methods could be used against a newsroom.
00:08:26.640 People don't remember this, but the Obama Justice Department basically wiretapped and surveilled James Rosen,
00:08:36.920 who was the White House correspondents for Fox at the time.
00:08:40.740 Yes, they did.
00:08:41.560 Now with Newsmax.
00:08:44.260 That fact gets forgotten entirely.
00:08:47.520 And we now know definitively that they did, in fact, spy on Donald Trump's campaign.
00:08:54.540 They had no real probable cause.
00:08:56.500 They invented it, the so-called Steele dossier, 0.96
00:08:59.880 the report paid for by Hillary Clinton that alleged that Donald Trump had frolicked with Russian prostitutes
00:09:07.320 while visiting Moscow as a private businessman,
00:09:10.180 a complete fabrication, a total fabrication.
00:09:12.560 And they knew it was a fabrication, but they still used it as a rationale for the warrants
00:09:18.140 that allowed them to spy on Donald Trump's campaign.
00:09:22.440 This is a little before your time, but Richard Nixon went down over the allegations that he was spying on the Democrats
00:09:29.980 and that his underlings had broken into the Democrat National Committee.
00:09:35.160 I would say that what Obama did to James Rosen, what Biden did to you as journalists,
00:09:43.880 is actually far, far more egregious.
00:09:48.200 Yet you have stuck with it, and I think you have broken some of the biggest and most important exposés
00:09:56.320 in American political history.
00:09:58.180 I'm particularly interested in the work you have done exposing the fraud of Act Blue.
00:10:04.600 Now, Act Blue is a payment processing company that works exclusively for liberal and Democrat sources.
00:10:14.740 And through Act Blue, Democrat candidates for the U.S. Senate and the New York Attorney General,
00:10:21.560 Letitia James, have raised literally millions and millions of dollars.
00:10:26.860 The problem for them is that when you go visit these individual donors at their doorstep,
00:10:35.260 the ones that will talk to you, because in this atmosphere, of course, a lot of people will not open the door to a stranger.
00:10:40.860 But when you talk to those donors and you show them a spreadsheet of all their donations,
00:10:46.700 you find a very high percentage of them, in the case of Letitia James, where this work is being done right now,
00:10:53.420 about 70% of her donors say they have no idea who she is,
00:10:57.580 and they did not give the donations that are attributed to her.
00:11:00.860 A group in Western New York, a citizens' action group, a nonprofit, doing this work,
00:11:07.020 got a cease and desist letter from the New York Attorney General in her official capacity as Attorney General.
00:11:12.760 In other words, citizens stop investigating the illegal campaign fundraising of the Attorney General.
00:11:19.020 Who says so?
00:11:19.780 The New York Attorney General.
00:11:21.780 Unbelievable.
00:11:22.300 Yeah, we did stories after I left Veritas and I started OMG.
00:11:30.060 We got a handful of donors who gave small amounts to ActBlue,
00:11:34.780 but when ActBlue reported the donations to the Federal Elections Commission, something didn't add up.
00:11:39.600 We spoke to this woman, Nancy Doonan, a retiree from Maryland,
00:11:43.040 who says she only donated a couple hundred dollars to ActBlue,
00:11:46.000 and then ActBlue claims she has donated a total of 2,000 times in 2023 alone.
00:11:53.020 That's $16,000.
00:11:55.800 And another older guy in Maryland says there's no way he gave ActBlue $230,000 in the last four years.
00:12:03.940 So we confronted these people.
00:12:06.280 It was probably the biggest story ever in the history of politics, and it was just crickets.
00:12:11.740 It's actually a mystery about where the money comes from.
00:12:14.780 Some people say it comes overseas from a European billionaire.
00:12:17.820 But I was kind of shocked at how so few people actually seem to care about this.
00:12:27.020 Matt Gaetz sent a letter to ActBlue.
00:12:29.220 But I've also been told it could be credit card fraud and Stripe may be involved.
00:12:35.540 But this is a big story.
00:12:37.220 But yet Trump still won the election in 2024 anyway.
00:12:42.720 Well, I think that there's some divine intervention.
00:12:45.180 I know you have referred your reporting to James Comer of the House Oversight Committee.
00:12:50.900 I also know it's been referred to the Department of Justice.
00:12:53.560 Once again, sadly, there has been no action.
00:12:56.180 This is a recurring theme that's starting to upset many of the president's supporters.
00:13:01.920 Tulsi Gabbard, who is someone I admire quite a bit, I'm extremely impressed with, has now declassified documents that prove definitively this is not investigative journalism, it's not conjecture, it's not supposition.
00:13:17.340 She's provided hard, irrefutable evidence that there was a seditious conspiracy to take down Donald Trump, that it was born in a July 17, 2017 meeting in the Oval Office, chaired by Barack Obama himself.
00:13:34.760 Joe Biden was there.
00:13:36.400 Susan Rice, the National Security Advisor, was there.
00:13:39.600 John Brennan, the CIA director, was there.
00:13:42.200 James Comey, who's been in the news quite a bit lately, was there.
00:13:47.340 James Clapper, then director of national intelligence, was there.
00:13:52.560 There were others.
00:13:54.180 Yet, to my knowledge, there's not yet a single warrant, not a single subpoena.
00:14:01.620 No one has seized the electronic devices of those people as they seized James O'Keefe's devices, as they seized mine.
00:14:10.180 There's been no early morning raid.
00:14:13.420 It's really quite egregious.
00:14:14.680 When we come back, I'm going to ask James why he thinks there has been no action and what does need to happen.
00:14:22.140 You're listening to The Stone Zone with me, Roger Stone, and my special guest, James O'Keefe, who is the head of the O'Keefe Media Group, head of the once legendary Project Veritas, but now knocking them dead over at O'Keefe Media.
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00:15:20.920 We're talking to James O'Keefe with the O'Keefe Media Group.
00:15:24.220 James, before we get to that broader question, you had a stunning report recently with a former DOJ official
00:15:31.680 that you caught on camera stating that Epstein was a CIA asset
00:15:36.620 and that the administration is protecting powerful people other than Trump.
00:15:41.380 That is completely and totally consistent with my book, The Clinton's War on Women,
00:15:48.920 where the longest chapter in the book is Chapter 7, Orgy Island.
00:15:53.960 I did a deep dive on Epstein.
00:15:55.920 I come up with the same conclusion.
00:15:57.920 Steve Hoffenberg, who was Epstein's boss during the Tower financial crisis,
00:16:04.260 who was a source for my book, told me from the beginning that Epstein was an asset for the CIA.
00:16:12.040 Tell us quickly about this report, and then we'll come back and take on the broader question.
00:16:17.800 Thank you, Roger.
00:16:18.360 Yeah, this was a senior DOJ Epstein investigator who worked as a W-2 employee for DOJ in 2007-2009.
00:16:27.000 He remained on as an independent contractor.
00:16:29.460 But he said that Epstein was CIA, and he said the rapes occurred when Bill Clinton was on the planes.
00:16:36.140 And he said of President Trump, he's not protecting himself because there's nothing there,
00:16:41.280 but there are other people that he may know that are on that list.
00:16:45.320 So what's interesting about this is, you know, it doesn't surprise anybody when people say these things,
00:16:50.020 but it came from the mouth of the guy who actually interviewed the Epstein victims on Palm Beach Island.
00:16:55.080 He says, quote, I've interviewed the victims.
00:16:56.760 There's never been an instance where Trump was on the plane with these kids when the rapes occurred,
00:17:01.920 but that can't be said for Clinton.
00:17:03.580 And he said the DOJ didn't want to go after Epstein because he's an asset for the United States and Israel,
00:17:10.040 and it's soon to come out that Epstein was a CIA informant.
00:17:13.780 This, Roger, was like a massive story a week ago.
00:17:18.060 The DOJ put out three statements.
00:17:21.360 They were not happy that I was exposing this,
00:17:24.540 and this continues to be a very, in my opinion, non-political issue.
00:17:28.920 It's just power and cover-ups, and people, this was recorded on an airplane.
00:17:35.840 Someone sent it to me.
00:17:37.380 I did not set out to target this guy.
00:17:40.080 People drop recordings off me all the time, and then we corroborated it.
00:17:43.600 Turns out he was who he said he was, and we published it.
00:17:46.300 Yeah, this was a blockbuster story.
00:17:49.120 Of course, it did not get the media coverage that it deserved,
00:17:52.740 but you have answered the question that so many people are asking.
00:17:56.500 I know, I can tell you how many times Donald Trump was on Epstein's plane
00:18:01.260 because his wife at the time, Marla Maples, and his daughter, Tiffany, and a nanny was with them.
00:18:07.840 And that flight went from Teterboro, which is in New Jersey, outside of New York City,
00:18:12.100 to Palm Beach on a Friday, returning on a Sunday.
00:18:16.040 Nothing, and this was prior to Donald Trump completely and totally cutting Epstein off in 2005,
00:18:23.520 and that's prior to Epstein being exposed as a pedophile, as a sex criminal.
00:18:29.760 He cut Epstein off much earlier than the Clintons, who continued to not only socialize with Epstein,
00:18:36.200 but to take millions of dollars for him for the Clinton Global Initiative and the Clinton Foundation.
00:18:43.560 So I think James O'Keefe and O'Keefe Media have answered the question that so many people are asking,
00:18:50.000 which is, why are they covering up for Epstein?
00:18:53.140 The answer is, he was an asset.
00:18:55.800 You heard it here in the Stone Zone with our guest, James O'Keefe.
00:18:59.920 James, when we come back, we'll talk a little more about Epstein.
00:19:02.460 I also want to hear about this event you have coming up, the Citizens Journalist Gala.
00:19:08.080 I want to hear more about that.
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00:19:13.440 talking to James O'Keefe, the great James O'Keefe, and we'll be right back.
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00:19:28.940 Welcome back.
00:19:31.300 You're back in the Stone Zone.
00:19:34.140 I'm talking to James O'Keefe, who is, of course, the founder of Project Veritas,
00:19:40.720 now with the O'Keefe Media Group, where he continues to break major stories and merit enormous headlines.
00:19:48.000 He's not as big as we would like, but he's fearless in his pursuit of the truth.
00:19:53.100 He's also, by the way, an incredibly good dancer and singer.
00:19:56.900 I saw him in the musical Oklahoma, so he's multi-talented, to say the least.
00:20:02.960 I tried to go to your event recently, but the music was so ear-splitting, James, I couldn't quite take it.
00:20:08.780 I'm an old guy, but you are extraordinarily talented.
00:20:12.860 I congratulate you for that.
00:20:15.040 And my dad was an actor.
00:20:17.260 He was in a number of musicals off-Broadway, Guys and Dolls and Lil Abner.
00:20:23.080 It's a very difficult thing to do.
00:20:25.960 You have to memorize the whole part, and you have to have the fundamental talent that you have.
00:20:30.580 So I wanted to mention how much I enjoyed that.
00:20:33.880 It was extraordinary.
00:20:35.480 Thank you.
00:20:36.280 It's artistic journalism as a form of storytelling, so there's kind of an overlap there in the sense of telling a story, piecing it together, and presenting it with narration and music.
00:20:46.640 It's part of the process.
00:20:48.080 One of your most hard-hitting releases, I think, in your entire career was when you caught a Pfizer employee admitting that the pharmaceutical giant was engaged in a dangerous game-of-function type experiments regarding vaccinations.
00:21:02.760 This week, President Trump announced that he was partnering with Pfizer on a project to lower pharmaceutical costs, and he praised a lot of their vaccination work.
00:21:12.980 I myself disagreed with the second part of that.
00:21:16.540 In your opinion, is it likely that President Trump negotiated certain concessions out of Pfizer, or is Pfizer exerting its influence over the administration?
00:21:29.260 Oh, that's a good question.
00:21:31.320 I mean, probably exerting some influence because there's, in my experience, there's been a revolving door between people at these companies and groups like the FDA.
00:21:42.760 So there are probably people in the administrative states.
00:21:45.460 Some call it the deep state.
00:21:46.680 It doesn't necessarily have to be as nefarious as that, but people playing the influence game, which is as American as apple pie.
00:21:55.320 I've done some stories on the FDA where I saw officials just go into the government from Pfizer, but I haven't looked into this particular deal.
00:22:03.460 The story you're referring to, which Bobby Kennedy even said was, at the time, was an enormously important story because it showed just how corrupt and even criminal Pfizer was acting in 2023 when their executive senior director of mRNA scientific planning said they were planning on mutating the COVID virus and experimenting on monkeys in China.
00:22:29.780 It was born in a Chinese lab, and it was born in a Chinese lab, this virus, and the product wasn't good for their customers. 1.00
00:22:36.640 It was just designed to make them money.
00:22:38.620 This is a huge story, so big that a week later I was removed from the organization I founded, which there'll be more information about that coming out soon.
00:22:48.840 But, Roger, I don't know in this particular case.
00:22:50.740 I just know that there's a lot of overlap, and I'm sure there's some undue influence.
00:22:56.100 Well, I point out that Robert Kennedy, who is someone that I've become very friendly with, who I admire very much as a man of courage and a man of integrity, says that this arrangement between the government and Pfizer is a good thing in the sense that it is going to bring down pharmaceutical drug costs for millions of Americans, particularly older Americans.
00:23:15.760 And, therefore, that gives me some solace.
00:23:20.100 Pfizer themselves, I'm not a fan of.
00:23:22.980 But I think this is among your most important reporting.
00:23:28.060 I also want to move on to the auto pen, because to me, the auto pen is one of the greatest scandals in American political history.
00:23:35.760 I don't think Joe Biden had any idea that he was pardoning drug dealers, rapists, drug traffickers, mass murderers.
00:23:45.560 It wasn't just political pardons.
00:23:47.360 Some of the people who were pardoned didn't even apply for a pardon, didn't even appeal for a pardon, hardened criminals.
00:23:54.540 This looked to me like, therefore, somebody who works for him was doing this on an agenda basis, on a political agenda basis.
00:24:05.060 So, yes, he gave pardons to people like Dr. Anthony Fauci and Adam Schiff and Jamie Raskin and Liz Cheney.
00:24:16.280 This really is a rogues gallery, isn't it?
00:24:18.300 And, of course, the way that that auto pen pardon gets tested in court is for the Trump Justice Department to charge one of those people.
00:24:29.100 And when they are charged, their lawyers will come back and say, well, you can't charge Adam Schiff because he's been pardoned.
00:24:37.460 The government would then argue the pardon was not valid because it wasn't signed by the President of the United States, as, by the way, my pardon was.
00:24:45.580 And the courts will finally decide whether these auto pen pardons are valid or not.
00:24:50.480 But it speaks to the larger question, one that I really do not understand.
00:24:55.820 They raided your home at 6 o'clock in the morning.
00:24:58.200 They raided my home or early in the morning.
00:25:00.800 They raided my home at 6 o'clock in the morning.
00:25:03.120 They raided my home at 6.06.
00:25:05.040 I was taken into custody.
00:25:06.960 They frog marched my wife out of the house in her pajamas to her humiliation for the CNN cameras. 1.00
00:25:12.740 At 6.11, my lawyer, Grant Smith, received a text message from Sarah Murray of CNN to say, your client has been arrested.
00:25:24.880 He said, good Lord, arrested for what?
00:25:26.900 And she texted him a draft of my criminal indictment, which was sealed.
00:25:32.700 Remember, this is at 6.06 in the morning, which was 6.11 at that point.
00:25:36.520 It was sealed until about 10.30 that morning when it was unsealed by a federal magistrate.
00:25:41.580 Now, on the draft of my indictment, which had no court markings or court stampings on it, if you looked at the metadata tags, was the man who wrote it, Andrew Weissman, famously perhaps the most corrupt federal prosecutor in U.S. history.
00:25:58.400 But that means that he leaked it, and that leak is, based on federal law, is a felony in itself.
00:26:05.020 Leaking of an arrest or a search warrant prior to being executed is specifically a felony.
00:26:12.000 Of course, a judge in my case could care less.
00:26:15.340 So they raided you.
00:26:16.720 They raided me.
00:26:18.080 The raid on you is even more egregious than the raid on me because you're a journalist.
00:26:22.220 I'm just an activist and a political professional.
00:26:26.660 Yet, where are the warrants?
00:26:28.720 Where are the subpoenas?
00:26:29.640 Where are the early morning raids?
00:26:32.520 Why had they not seized the passports of Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Rice, Weissman, McCabe, Mueller himself, and so on?
00:26:44.140 This is astounding to me.
00:26:46.540 James, do you want to go?
00:26:47.300 Well, when Charlie Kirk died, I wrote a little something, and I also spoke to it and to the camera.
00:26:54.760 And I think that Charlie said this to me, or excuse me, said this privately when he visited Steve Bannon in prison and talked about Tucker and talked about you and talked about me and talked about anyone on the front lines.
00:27:09.320 And he said that the reason why people don't go on offense is because you get taken down.
00:27:14.280 In our country, there's a lack of accountability for those who do evil.
00:27:17.300 And I wrote that people who commit crimes don't fear accountability.
00:27:20.640 And ask anybody at the Turning Point events that Charlie led, and they all say the same thing.
00:27:26.260 You might even be – you're saying it right now on the radio, that those who do wrong face no consequences.
00:27:31.300 Evil goes unpunished.
00:27:32.440 Nothing ever happens.
00:27:34.080 No one's ever held accountable for anything.
00:27:36.380 And justice isn't there for those who deserve it like the men you just mentioned.
00:27:40.420 And they shine their handgun light not on the problems but on the people trying to expose the problems.
00:27:50.120 So this is a principle we must understand, and without accountability, we live under the illusion of freedom.
00:27:55.520 So my belief, and I believe this strongly, is the solution is to shame them through information and holding their feet to the fire like we did with the Sapstein story and like we're doing with this story.
00:28:10.160 You just mentioned this auto pen story where this executive assistant for Senator Markey confesses that they lie and admits to driving Markey while under the influence and says Senator Markey can lie and blame staff for wrongly signed documents.
00:28:28.000 The only solution is to bring out the information in bulk to enrage the people, to put pressure on the legislators for them to do the right thing.
00:28:36.940 But, Roger, it makes no sense why Comey wasn't in handcuffs but me and you were.
00:28:43.680 I don't understand that inconsistency.
00:28:45.780 No, he actually hasn't even turned himself in yet.
00:28:47.920 He hasn't until October 9th turned himself in voluntarily.
00:28:51.280 Meanwhile, they have not seized any of his electronic devices.
00:28:54.580 They have not seized his passport.
00:28:56.960 It is literally beyond belief.
00:28:58.900 In his case, he and I were hit with the exact same charges, lying to Congress under oath and obstruction of official proceeding.
00:29:07.300 So, where is the equal justice?
00:29:12.600 I think you summed this up, however, in your remarks after the brutal political assassination of our mutual friend Charlie Kirk when you basically said that journalists and truth-tellers must be willing to sacrifice their lives even.
00:29:27.420 This is necessary, and words of wisdom for people who may be thinking of taking the plunge into becoming a journalist, a whistleblower, or something similar.
00:29:37.760 We have to recognize this fault in the system, but we have to take action anyway.
00:29:43.860 You know, cockroaches hate sunlight.
00:29:47.100 They run from the sunlight.
00:29:48.980 And sunlight is the greatest single disinfection.
00:29:52.060 You cannot become jaundiced because the system is broken and give up the fight.
00:29:56.500 It's actually the reason why we both do what we do.
00:29:59.400 It's why we get back in the fight, even having been harassed by the police state.
00:30:05.680 It is—the calling is now even greater, in my opinion.
00:30:09.700 But it also does speak to the fact that there is a ruling elite in this country.
00:30:14.560 They're in both parties.
00:30:16.100 They're in the Washington establishment.
00:30:18.160 They're inside the Pentagon.
00:30:19.660 They're inside our intelligence agencies.
00:30:21.920 They're inside the defense contractors.
00:30:23.780 They're inside the think tanks.
00:30:27.420 And they have led this nation to ruin.
00:30:30.460 They've led us to endless foreign war, the erosion of our civil liberties, massive, massive debt, and regulation on our private lives. 0.96
00:30:39.840 Incredibly high and even confiscatory taxes.
00:30:46.900 And spying on the American people.
00:30:51.200 I'd like to know—when I met the vice president recently, who I'm very impressed with and I like very much.
00:30:57.260 And he asked me what my number one concern was in the country.
00:31:00.780 And I told him, I did not like the idea of the federal government having a database on every American.
00:31:08.500 I don't like Real ID.
00:31:10.000 I don't like the stated plans of Palantir.
00:31:12.640 I don't want Big Brother knowing everything about me, including my spending habits and everything about me,
00:31:18.660 because I think it leads to a social credit score like they have in China. 0.51
00:31:25.260 What's your feeling on Real ID?
00:31:26.880 Oh, boy.
00:31:31.700 It's a tricky area there, Roger.
00:31:34.240 I'm sure it's ripe for abuse.
00:31:36.460 I mean, power tends to corrupt.
00:31:38.060 And I'm sure absolute power and Real ID will corrupt absolutely.
00:31:42.620 But that's probably something I should look into and investigate where abuses occur there. 0.96
00:31:47.580 I haven't looked into that yet, but I will.
00:31:49.500 I mean, look, I understand the argument's forward.
00:31:51.280 They say, well, it'll help eliminate welfare fraud.
00:31:53.960 It'll help eliminate voter fraud.
00:31:59.240 That all sounds great.
00:32:00.960 But as we saw in the Patriot Act after 9-11, these things become immediately ripe for abuse.
00:32:07.540 This is one of my biggest concerns.
00:32:09.280 I think we as conservatives have always opposed the idea of Big Brother government,
00:32:14.660 essentially keeping a database which can be abused.
00:32:18.860 Look what's happening right now in Canada.
00:32:20.260 If you own a firearm, you have to register that fact with the state.
00:32:25.280 Now we're in phase two where the government is going to pick up certain guns that don't meet the government's criteria.
00:32:31.680 We know where this is headed.
00:32:33.960 I think it's a terrible idea.
00:32:36.080 I think it is ripe for abuse.
00:32:37.960 You named your podcast, The Price is My Life.
00:32:41.300 You have paid a heavy price for being a fearless journalist, but you continue to fight.
00:32:47.020 I admire you for that.
00:32:48.600 Tell us about this upcoming event that you have, the Gala, the Citizens Journalist Gala.
00:32:55.580 Well, we're having an event at Moro Lago, November 13th.
00:32:58.960 This is, the website is citizenjournalistgala.com.
00:33:07.240 You can buy tickets there.
00:33:08.880 We're tax deductible.
00:33:11.560 Tickets are $3,000 apiece, but it's to support a good cause.
00:33:15.800 All of our whistleblowers have lost their jobs in the government exposing what's going on.
00:33:20.800 They're going to be there.
00:33:21.520 We're going to have citizen journalists get awards for their truth-telling work that they've done, risking everything to hold the powerful accountable.
00:33:30.720 This is our big yearly event, citizenjournalistgala.com.
00:33:36.240 And then it'll be hosted by me at Trump's Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida, an awards ceremony honoring the fearless journalists and whistleblowers who risk everything for the truth.
00:33:47.380 And the date of that again, one more time?
00:33:50.160 It's November 13th at 5 o'clock at Mar-a-Lago.
00:33:53.240 All right, there you go.
00:33:54.040 One more time, folks, citizensjournalistgala.com.
00:33:57.720 You can go there and get your tickets.
00:33:59.660 James, I'm going to come, but only if you promise to sing.
00:34:02.420 All right, you're still in the Stone Zone.
00:34:04.440 We'll be right back with a few more minutes with James O'Keefe on the other side.
00:34:08.200 Whatever you do, folks, please don't touch that dial.
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00:34:19.360 And we're back.
00:34:21.980 You are still in the Stone Zone here on the Red Apple Audio Networks.
00:34:27.560 We're talking to James O'Keefe, the founder of Veritas, but also now with the O'Keefe Media Group.
00:34:35.340 By the way, you can find James on X as James O'Keefe, the third, James O'Keefe, the third.
00:34:43.740 You can also find him at the O'Keefe Media Group, both on X.
00:34:50.000 X has become the only, I think, true free speech platform.
00:34:56.340 I very much like True Social as well.
00:34:59.400 By the way, neither one of them are perfect.
00:35:00.840 None of them are perfect, but they're light years ahead of any of the Google-sponsored platforms,
00:35:07.460 which I still find to be plagued by censorship, shadow banning, and the like.
00:35:15.620 Tell me, James, because this affected me very deeply.
00:35:18.940 I didn't know Charlie Kirk.
00:35:22.080 We didn't know each other until the FBI raided my home, and it was splashed all over the television.
00:35:29.680 And Charlie reached out to me and said, look, I think this is nonsense.
00:35:33.740 I think it's outrageous.
00:35:35.200 We both know there is no Russian collusion.
00:35:37.680 We both know that you had no motive to lie because there's nothing to lie about.
00:35:41.960 And Charlie became both a public and a private advocate for my clemency.
00:35:46.500 The prosecutors, by the way, in my case, wanted seven to nine years.
00:35:51.820 In their sentencing memo, they wanted to give me additional time for crimes that I had never actually been convicted of.
00:35:58.680 In fact, crimes I'd never been charged with.
00:36:00.280 Their sentencing memo specifically said I was involved in foreign interference in an American election.
00:36:05.380 I wasn't.
00:36:06.160 Said that I had threatened to kill the judge.
00:36:08.460 That's entirely false.
00:36:10.580 That is a fraud.
00:36:12.760 By the way, if that had been true, they would have charged me with that.
00:36:15.340 But they didn't charge me that because it was not true.
00:36:18.860 Oh, Roger Stone posted a picture of the judge with a rival crosshair over her face.
00:36:23.480 No, I didn't go back and look at it.
00:36:24.940 In the upper left-hand corner, in a very, very tiny corner, there's a logo from the organization that produced the image of the judge.
00:36:32.940 I have a signed affidavit from the graphic artist who designed it.
00:36:36.280 It was a Celtic cross.
00:36:37.580 It had nothing to do with a firearm.
00:36:38.720 But in the middle of a media maelstrom, when the left-wing media gets into a very high dungeon, forget about the truth bleeding through.
00:36:49.680 I do want to ask you about Project Veritas because you were the founder.
00:36:55.660 You had a very messy falling out with that organization.
00:36:58.600 You have actually gone on to bigger and greater things.
00:37:01.300 I would like to see you retake Project Veritas.
00:37:05.560 Is that a real possibility?
00:37:09.860 We're in discussions with Project Veritas, but I can't get into details due to the legal orders involved here.
00:37:18.220 But it's possible.
00:37:19.900 I think I'll get back the name and certain assets at some point in the future, but I can't talk about that until it happens.
00:37:32.880 And it's been a very ugly two- to three-year dispute where they fired me.
00:37:38.760 I made a movie about it.
00:37:40.180 I countersued them.
00:37:41.780 It was a crazy story involving greed and jealousy and some conflicts of interest.
00:37:51.080 And we had deposed all the board members and exposed some aspects.
00:37:56.700 But all those guys are now gone, the board members at the organization, which terminated me.
00:38:01.340 And this is something I created.
00:38:03.600 And Charlie was really helpful to me at the time, and Charlie Kirk helped me get me back on my feet.
00:38:08.600 But there's a lot more to say about that soon, Roger.
00:38:12.060 And when there is, I'll be back on your show to discuss it.
00:38:14.960 All right.
00:38:15.460 So if one of the listeners out there in Stonesville wants to give a big, fat contribution to the O'Keefe Media Group right now, where can they go do that?
00:38:25.940 O'KeefeMediaGroup.com slash support.
00:38:29.680 We have a 501c3 currently called Citizen Journalism Foundation.
00:38:34.220 It funds a lot of our work, and you can make a tax-deductible contribution at O'KeefeMediaGroup.com slash support.
00:38:42.860 And we've got some big stories coming out.
00:38:46.000 We always have stories coming out, but we've got some very big stories coming out in the month of October.
00:38:51.600 All right.
00:38:52.540 Unfortunately, we have to end it there.
00:38:54.180 It never seems to be enough time.
00:38:56.160 One of the most courageous, hardest-working journalists in America today, my good friend James O'Keefe.
00:39:01.440 I want to thank you, James, for joining us today.
00:39:03.460 You've gone on to even bigger and better things, and I know you have a bunch of big stories.
00:39:09.220 Again, you can go to the upcoming gala by going to CitizenJournalistGala.com.
00:39:17.860 CitizenJournalistGala.com coming up in November to further support the important work of the O'Keefe Media Group.
00:39:23.580 James, thank you for joining us, and God bless you.
00:39:25.860 Thank you.
00:39:27.300 All right.
00:39:27.960 That's it for us today, folks.
00:39:29.360 Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
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