The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 10-07-25

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00:00:25.520 Well, will New York Attorney General Letitia James face prosecution for mortgage fraud, also based on things I've heard, mail fraud, tax fraud, insurance fraud, perhaps even bribery, or will she not?

00:00:43.720 We know this much that the Federal Housing and Finance Agency Administrator sent a formal letter to the Justice Department documenting allegations of mortgage fraud.

00:00:55.820 We know that mortgage fraud investigator par excellence, Sam Antar, who's going to join us later in the show, has documented this and written about it extensively.

00:01:04.660 But now comes news that the same deep state operatives who infected the U.S. Attorney's Office under the Eastern District of Virginia and attempted to thwart the prosecution of former FBI Director James Comey are essentially at it again.

00:01:22.800 The previous Eastern District U.S. Attorney, Eric Siebert, first of all, never disclosed news broke out right here in the Stone Zone that he had a material conflict of interest regarding potential matter regarding Letitia James, pardon me, regarding James Comey, and that his father-in-law, his wife's father, is the godfather to Comey's daughter.

00:01:47.020 That would normally cause a prosecutor to recuse himself immediately.

00:01:51.460 Instead, Eric Siebert prepared a 51-page memo outlining all the reasons that James Comey should not be prosecuted.

00:02:00.260 That caused President Trump to fire him because that was not consistent with the evidence and to insert a brash but highly capable lawyer named Lindsay Halligan. 0.89

00:02:12.080 Today comes news that Elizabeth Yussi, who is a prosecutor in that same office, has told evidently NBC and the U.S. or the U.K. Daily Mail that she sees no probable cause in a mortgage fraud investigation against James.

00:02:33.520 The strange thing about that is she has not yet delivered that news to her boss, Lindsay Halligan.

00:02:40.620 So the fact that you would see it on NBC or read about it in the U.K. Daily Mail prior to informing her superiors that that was her view is an act of bad faith in itself.

00:02:52.800 Later on in the show, Sam Antar is going to review the case for us.

00:02:56.260 So there are no misimpressions here.

00:02:59.420 The defense of the New York Attorney General Leticia James' lawyer, Abby Lowell, that there's one typographical error or that a letter was sent to correct errors pertaining to her most recent acquisition of a mortgage of a property in Virginia, where she very clearly signed a power of attorney, not once, but in 12 different places, witnessed by another attorney in the Attorney General's office,

00:03:26.540 where she said that in order to get a lower mortgage rate and a lower insurance rate, that she would essentially own or occupy this property in Virginia. 0.99

00:03:37.600 The problem with that, of course, is that if that were true, which it isn't, she would be under the New York State Constitution ineligible to be New York Attorney General.

00:03:46.300 So that's a giant problem for her.

00:03:48.320 But the truth is, as Sam Antar will tell us later, is that Leticia James has been on a 43-year spree of mortgage fraud.

00:03:56.120 This is not a one-time occurrence.

00:03:57.980 There are numerous questions about her various mortgages.

00:04:02.180 You would think that you could go to the state-required disclosure reports that, as a public official, she must file.

00:04:08.940 But they are a mess, meaning that properties appear in some years only to disappear and then reappear.

00:04:16.160 Income from rentals appears for some years, but not all years.

00:04:20.140 There's a lot of mortgages that she holds.

00:04:24.100 This is all public information, but they're not reflected on her disclosures as is required.

00:04:28.560 However, what's important to understand here is that all of this information on which the accusations regarded as the New York Attorney General are based, these are not secret government files of some kind.

00:04:40.220 Every one of these documents is public and accessible to anyone who has a laptop, anyone who's on the Internet.

00:04:47.460 So we will visit this question later on in the program with our guest, Sam Antar, who writes at whitecollarfraud.com.

00:04:57.500 Meanwhile, there's obviously a huge focus after the indictment of James Comey about the discrepancies, or I should say the disparities between his case and mine.

00:05:07.580 I was arrested in an early morning raid.

00:05:10.100 He's allowed to casually turn himself in at a time of his choice.

00:05:14.720 They took all my electronic devices.

00:05:17.520 My home was stormed 24 hours after I was indicted.

00:05:21.140 They showed up, as most people now know it, with 29 heavily armed FBI agents and a CNN camera crew in tow.

00:05:30.160 As I wrote and said this week, we know how CNN got tipped off because I was arrested at 6.06 a.m.

00:05:38.100 At 6.22, Sarah Murray, a producer with CNN, also some on-air, although I wouldn't say talent, sent a copy of a draft of my criminal indictment to my attorney, Grant Smith.

00:05:51.200 And it had no court stamps or time stamps or court markings.

00:05:56.780 So CNN's subsequent claim that they got this document online is a lie.

00:06:01.120 But if you look at the metadata tags on the document, it was clearly written by the de facto head of the Mueller investigation, one Andrew Weissman.

00:06:09.820 Now, under federal law, the leaking of grand jury materials, including draft indictments, or tipping someone off as to the plans to execute a search or arrest warrant, is very specifically a federal crime under U.S. Code, I think it's 180 U.S. Code, Section 401C.

00:06:33.740 But that explains why they were at my home at that very early hour.

00:06:38.780 In fact, they could say it was a stakeout, but that's kind of absurd because a stakeout is when you sit outside someplace for hours laying alone waiting for something to go down.

00:06:51.080 Because I knew they were coming, I can tell you their camera crew showed up actually 13 minutes before the FBI and set up their tripods 25 feet from my front door.

00:07:00.720 Now, the rest of the media was, I would say, a half mile away because I lived at that time on a dead end street and the police blocked off the end of the street so you couldn't enter.

00:07:11.520 And the rest of the media, when the news broke that my home was being raided, was behind this rope.

00:07:17.200 I know from a Fort Lauderdale police officer, now retired, who was called in to back up the FBI that day, that when he told the CNN camera crew that they needed to go down the street and get behind the rope line with the rest of the media,

00:07:34.280 it was chewed out by an FBI agent who told him that CNN had special permission to film my arrest.

00:07:40.700 A lot of focus on these differences.

00:07:44.540 And of course, then there's the question, once again, of the gag.

00:07:49.400 The judge was unhappy with the fact that I spoke publicly about the fact that the FBI admitted in the early wrangling over motions in my trial that they had never investigated the computer servers of the Democrat National Committee.

00:08:03.180 So the claim that the DNC was party to an online hack was disproven.

00:08:09.500 And so I needed to be silenced. 0.79

00:08:11.660 They made this ridiculous claim that I threatened to kill the judge. 0.67

00:08:14.940 This was hyped up by the Daily Beast and others.

00:08:17.240 I posted posted the graphic they refer to.

00:08:19.920 It's really clearly no threat to the judge, not a right fair crosshair.

00:08:23.460 It's not over her face.

00:08:24.560 It's a it's a logo of an organization.

00:08:26.300 It's tiny in the upper left hand corner.

00:08:27.880 But you wouldn't know that because when one of these media feeding frenzies goes down and everybody jumps to this huge conclusion, I threatened no one.

00:08:38.240 They put enormous pressure on a bunch of people who work for me to say otherwise, but nobody was willing to lie.

00:08:44.740 This is the world we live in.

00:08:46.300 So now the question goes to the broader question of whether other the others involved in that July 17th, 2017 meeting of the cabal in the Oval Office presided over by President Barack Obama with Vice President Joe Biden.

00:09:04.640 National Security Advisor Susan Rice, former CIA director, admitted communist and Islamic convert John Brennan, who's featured in Tucker Carlson's new series as the man who signed the visas for four of the hijackers who were Saudis who were told to attack this country on 9-11.

00:09:26.980 He did so when he was the CIA station chief in Riyadh.

00:09:30.440 But James Clapper, General James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, you remember him.

00:09:37.240 He's the guy who testified under oath to Congress that the U.S. government had no metadata collection programs operating until Edward Snowden released the documents that showed that Clapper was lying.

00:09:51.560 Now, in any normal world, Clapper would have been charged with lying about a material fact under oath, but instead he got a gig teaching ethics at Vermont College, can't make this stuff up, and being paid thousands of dollars to go on CNN and lie about the Russian collusion that never existed.

00:10:10.720 And then, of course, there is Robert Mueller himself, who I think was actually non-composentist during the investigation.

00:10:18.640 Andrew Weissman, the guy who wrote my cleverly constructed criminal indictment in which there is no Russian collusion nor WikiLeaks collaboration.

00:10:28.780 It's all process crime in order to pressure me into flipping, which I, of course, refused to do.

00:10:33.260 You also have Andrew McCabe.

00:10:36.740 Now, Andrew McCabe is a particularly interesting individual.

00:10:40.700 He's a former deputy director of the FBI who briefly served as director in 2017 but was removed from the FBI by March of 2018.

00:10:49.620 McCabe's involvement in an unauthorized leak of sensitive information to The Wall Street Journal, blackened October 2016, is what led to his forced resignation.

00:10:58.300 Many argue this shines light on the whole institutional bias, the personal conflicts of interest, and the pivotal role in what many now view as the politicized Russian collusion narrative against Donald Trump.

00:11:11.720 This is the greatest single dirty trick in American political histories.

00:11:15.320 It's an abuse of power in which they use the entire authority and the capabilities of our government to try to undo the 2016 election.

00:11:23.180 Almost immediately after I was sentenced to 40 months in prison in a Soviet-style show trial that went down in Washington, D.C., the prosecutor in my case, one J.P. Cooney, announced that Andrew McCabe would face no charges, despite the fact that McCabe very clearly lied to Congress under oath on a material matter.

00:11:42.560 Don't get me wrong. I did make misstatements in my sworn but voluntary testimony, but none of them were material, meaning they didn't hide any underlying crimes such as Russian collusion, WikiLeaks collaboration, or anything else.

00:11:56.440 Therefore, in truth, I have no motive to lie.

00:11:59.560 Robert Mueller's own investigators were forced to admit this in his final report, but they had that redacted for years so that I would never know.

00:12:07.500 My lawyers moved at trial for that report.

00:12:11.020 The judge said she would not give it to them, but she would review the entire report in her chambers and give my defense lawyers those sections relevant to me.

00:12:20.960 Somehow she missed the part on 178 that said I did nothing wrong, but that's the world we live in.

00:12:27.500 I actually am beginning to become growingly optimistic that the entire cabal will face justice, not perhaps as fast as I would like them to, but I now have a greater belief that there will be justice.

00:12:42.540 The truth is the president's base demands it.

00:12:45.440 The president promised it to us.

00:12:47.280 The president, I think, has given the orders to those who work for him to follow the law, but we all recognize that the Democrats and the left want to turn this into retaliation and weaponization and so on, as if they committed no crimes. 0.98

00:13:02.920 And then there's the stupid Republicans who say, oh, well, if we're mean to them now, they'll be mean to us later. 0.98

00:13:07.800 Ladies and germs, they tried to destroy me and my family and General Flynn and his family and President Trump, more importantly, and many others. 1.00

00:13:17.000 What may lead you to believe that they would not do so again?

00:13:20.720 We just found out that they spied on six Republican U.S. senators.

00:13:25.400 What was it that Nixon went down for?

00:13:27.340 Oh, that's right.

00:13:27.820 Somebody broke into the Watergate to spy on his opponent, and he didn't even know about it.

00:13:32.920 All he did was try to cover it up.

00:13:34.340 So this is much, much worse than Watergate.

00:13:37.020 And I know because I was there during Watergate.

00:13:41.280 Focusing on McCabe, who was a career bureaucrat who rose up to the ranks of the deep state for his unethical and ruthless practices, is something I know quite a bit about.

00:13:50.960 The Justice Department's Inspector General report in 2018 painted an extremely damning picture of McCabe, saying he lacked candor on four separate occasions when questioned about these leaks.

00:14:02.060 We're going to talk about it more when we get right back to you right here in the zone.

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00:15:45.200 We're talking about the disparity between Andrew McCabe, the former deputy FBI director,

00:15:50.920 who essentially covered up the FBI's investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails,

00:15:57.120 which her illegalities were whitewashed. 1.00

00:15:59.940 Remember, she destroyed 33,000 emails with a hammer and bleach bit that were under subpoena at the time.

00:16:09.220 They were destroyed.

00:16:10.220 He lied about that on four separate occasions under the law, lying to an FBI agent is the same as lying under oath to Congress, both felonies.

00:16:20.820 But the Department of Justice declined to prosecute him in 2020 at the exact same time that they were trying to send me to jail for seven to nine years,

00:16:31.260 even though no misstatement.

00:16:32.260 Even though no misstatement I made was material.

00:16:35.080 I think most people understand that the charges against me were, pardon the word, trumped up to create the leverage to try to get me to flip on Donald Trump since we have been friends for 50 years.

00:16:47.120 And I simply refuse to do that.

00:16:49.560 Michael Cohen, I am not.

00:16:52.320 The outrageousness of them not prosecuting McCabe, I think, is going to fade here because I think he still is among those who should and probably will face charges in connection with his role in the FBI's crossfire hurricane investigation,

00:17:10.180 which really was the illicit takedown, attempted takedown of Donald Trump based on the fallacious and fabricated idea that the Russians had interfered in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump.

00:17:24.360 But coming up next, we're going to examine whether New York Attorney General Letitia James is going to be prosecuted for mortgage fraud and then perhaps additional crimes such as tax evasion, wire fraud, mail fraud, insurance fraud, perhaps even bribery.

00:17:44.180 That remains to be seen.

00:17:45.780 Joining us, Sam Antar, Investigator Par Excellence.

00:17:50.060 We're going to focus today specifically on the mortgage question because of stories put out by NBC and the UK Daily Mail today saying that veteran prosecutors, meaning deep state Democrats inside the Justice Department,

00:18:04.840 are fighting the potential prosecution of Letitia James, claiming that there is no case.

00:18:11.600 Sam Antar is going to join us shortly to tell us why he thinks that's wrong.

00:18:16.140 So if you want a point by point breakdown of Letitia James's actions and why Sam Antar and I believe she should face prosecution, you'll stay tuned right here in the zone.

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00:19:49.340 So I think at this point, everybody in the country is aware of the drama surrounding the decision to charge former FBI Director James Comey for his serial lies under oath to Congress about material matters to cover up the Russian collusion hoax and to cover up his own highly illegal directives to leak information that was classified but embarrassing to President Donald Trump.

00:20:17.160 But now the prosecutors.

00:20:19.160 But now the prosecutors in the same office have, based on a referral from the Federal Housing and Finance Agency's lawyers, a criminal referral regarding New York Attorney General Letitia James.

00:20:33.380 That referral is based entirely on public documents, which anyone with a computer can find and look at.

00:20:42.740 But the man who's joining us now, Sam Antar, who is an interesting cat.

00:20:48.520 I mean, he's an expert on fraud because he was once involved in some of the biggest criminal, sophisticated criminal fraud in history for which he paid his price, paid the price to society.

00:21:01.740 And once he was rehabilitated, he has dedicated himself to using his extraordinary forensic accounting and investigating skills and his deep understanding of business and how it works to ferret out fraud and corruption by institutions and politicians as well as corporations.

00:21:23.420 And he is actually the person, I think, who largely figured out that New York Attorney General Letitia James has a 43-year record of mortgage fraud.

00:21:35.080 This is not just one instance.

00:21:37.080 But today it is reported by both NBC and by the UK Daily Mail that a top prosecutor in the Eastern District of New York, where the home of Letitia James misrepresented the facts in order to obtain a mortgage in Virginia, a woman named Elizabeth Yussi, a prosecutor, has said that she sees no probable cause in the mortgage fraud investigation against James.

00:22:05.740 And, of course, this is consistent with the fake news argument that Trump is using federal prosecutors as his personal instruments of revenge rather than focusing on the simple question of whether Letitia James, the highest law enforcement officer in the state of New York, is in fact guilty of mortgage fraud and perhaps worse, based on my sources.

00:22:31.440 Joining us now are the editor and publisher of whitecollarfraud.com, the guy who documents all of his findings with the actual documents.

00:22:41.280 You can go on that site and link to everything he says.

00:22:44.700 He brings the receipts, as they say.

00:22:47.520 Sam Antar, welcome to the Stone Zone. 0.66

00:22:50.060 How are you, sir?

00:22:50.980 Well, I'm very interested in your take, which you have posted regarding these reports today, that once again, people within the Justice Department are trying to claim that there is no case against Letitia James.

00:23:05.280 And then the media claims that the efforts to bring her to justice are all just political retaliation because she prosecuted Donald Trump in New York.

00:23:13.680 So how do you respond to that, Sam?

00:23:16.200 First of all, we'll take the prosecutor's claims.

00:23:20.260 Prosecutors are not infallible.

00:23:23.480 I'll go back to even my case where the FBI had a prosecutor who was ignoring evidence withdrawn from the case and replaced by another prosecutor.

00:23:36.260 So this is not something that's unusual or abnormal.

00:23:41.400 Well, it happens because prosecutors are human beings.

00:23:45.400 They make mistakes.

00:23:47.240 Sometimes they can't withstand political pressure from outside.

00:23:51.000 I get all of that.

00:23:52.460 But the prosecutors are ignoring the evidence.

00:23:57.160 Their probable cause is the easiest thing to show in any case.

00:24:03.120 Easier than the preponderance of evidence in a civil case.

00:24:06.880 Easier, of course, beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case.

00:24:11.400 And the information is all there.

00:24:14.840 What I also see with the media, okay, is that they're all on the same message.

00:24:22.600 The talking point.

00:24:23.760 There's so many talking points.

00:24:25.120 Absolutely clear.

00:24:26.780 It's the same talking point.

00:24:28.780 They don't talk about the mortgage fraud in Brooklyn, which is a very strong airtight case,

00:24:33.940 because they don't want to show that she's had a pattern of fraudulent behavior.

00:24:39.620 So then they focus on the Virginia case.

00:24:43.200 Okay?

00:24:43.920 You know, she tells the truth in two documents.

00:24:47.220 And then 14 days later, she lies.

00:24:50.680 They only talk about the documents that tell the truth.

00:24:53.960 And they imply that it was after she lied.

00:24:57.660 Not before she lied.

00:24:59.720 So that's the game that they're playing.

00:25:02.160 I get it.

00:25:03.380 You know, I was a criminal once before.

00:25:05.760 I know their game.

00:25:07.200 Every trick in the book that she thinks she knows, I know backwards and forwards.

00:25:12.140 Yeah, it's very interesting that both of these stories today, the NBC story and the MS and the UK Daily Mail story,

00:25:20.120 use identical talking points.

00:25:22.020 That's how you know this is a coordinated political effort.

00:25:25.800 Ken Delanian, who is the reporter whose name is on the story for NBC, is a longtime CIA asset.

00:25:33.200 He was fired by the LA Times because he was clearing his stories with the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:25:38.940 He was one of the major avatars of the Russian collusion hoax.

00:25:43.240 He also is among those who insisted that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation.

00:25:48.580 He's a talking head and a running dog for the deep state.

00:25:53.160 He's not to be taken seriously as a journalist.

00:25:55.900 He's a political hitman and not a very clever one.

00:25:59.440 And then the UK Daily Mail is always interested in salaciousness.

00:26:02.940 What's amazing to me in this case is that Elizabeth Yussi, the prosecutor in the Eastern District of Virginia,

00:26:10.900 to whom I'm going to ascribe political motives.

00:26:14.880 She's a Democrat.

00:26:16.660 She came out of a Democrat administration. 0.54

00:26:19.600 Many times these careerists started out as political appointees, but they burrow their way into the process.

00:26:26.880 Let's take as many examples of this Barbara McQuaid, for example, former U.S. attorney from New Jersey, 1.00

00:26:37.140 uses that title to go on MSNBC and CNN to hold herself out like she's some impartial, unbiased law enforcement professional,

00:26:46.120 when in fact she's a vicious Democrat partisan and a hack. 1.00

00:26:49.580 Another one who insisted there was Russian collusion, insisted that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation,

00:26:59.060 insisted that Donald Trump was guilty of crimes in New York.

00:27:02.260 She's not a prosecutor. 0.97

00:27:03.780 She's a Democrat spokeswoman.

00:27:06.580 She defamed me during my trial multiple times.

00:27:09.560 I wanted to sue her. 0.54

00:27:10.660 My lawyers explained, first of all, the high bar for defamation, if you're a public figure, which I clearly am.

00:27:21.080 And then secondarily, the cost at the time would have been extravagant.

00:27:24.860 Today, when I probably could afford a litigation, the statute of limitations has run.

00:27:29.800 But that doesn't mean she isn't a liar and she doesn't continue to lie.

00:27:33.740 Just last week, she said that James Comey could not be perp-walked because the Department of Justice policy is that criminals are not perp-walked,

00:27:43.340 in which case many people asked her online, but what about Roger Stone?

00:27:46.880 So I guess the DOJ manual is just good for some people, but not for James Comey.

00:27:52.540 Let's go back to Letitia James. 0.98

00:27:54.820 First of all, insurance fraud.

00:28:20.620 If you're misrepresenting a residence as your primary residence, or you're misrepresenting the number of units on your residence to be below five units,

00:28:32.600 you're going to be paying less in insurance.

00:28:35.260 You're going to be also paying less interest to the banks.

00:28:38.960 You're also going to have less in closing costs.

00:28:42.360 You're also going to pay less mortgage tax in New York when you refinance the mortgage,

00:28:47.660 as Joel Gilbert, who's been on your show, has said.

00:28:51.780 Okay, so there is a financial motive to it.

00:28:55.780 But irrespective of the financial motive, irrespective of whether the banks relied on the lies, the law is clear.

00:29:04.900 It doesn't matter if the bank relied on that.

00:29:08.100 It doesn't matter if the person's benefit is financially or not.

00:29:12.020 What matters or not is that she lied on the documents.

00:29:15.140 Listen, that evidence is clear.

00:29:17.600 You've got 20, actually 43 years of documents, consistent behavior.

00:29:23.940 Every single mortgage had false information on it.

00:29:29.400 Period.

00:29:29.760 Sam, you have reviewed her legally required disclosures with the state of New York,

00:29:36.300 which, as the attorney general, she's required to file.

00:29:41.340 You've commented on this show in the past that you find them to be woefully inadequate.

00:29:46.620 In fact, a hodgepodge.

00:29:47.960 A lot of inadequate lies.

00:29:49.920 False documents.

00:29:50.960 As I recall, you said there were actually mortgages that were recorded that don't show up on her disclosures.

00:29:57.780 Right.

00:29:58.340 In 2023, she showed two mortgages on a different Virginia property.

00:30:04.700 When I go to the title company, those two mortgages don't exist, but she has an unreported mortgage on that state of Virginia property that she never disclosed for three years.

00:30:17.220 And if you add the two mortgages and the mortgage that she has on the property, it's about three times the value of the property.

00:30:25.020 How was she able to borrow three times the value of a property?

00:30:29.760 Well, isn't that what she accused Donald Trump of?

00:30:32.060 I saw her recently in an interview with Joy Reid, that intellectual giant, where she said, you know, the prosecution of mortgage fraud is very, very, very rare, making the case that she was being singled out.

00:30:47.220 Let's be clear.

00:30:48.540 The prosecution of somebody in New York state for overvaluing their assets in order to obtain commercial real estate development loans is nonexistent.

00:30:57.460 No one has ever been prosecuted under that law other than one Donald J.

00:31:01.940 Trump.

00:31:02.540 And that was by Letitia James, who ran as a candidate for attorney general, saying she would, quote, unquote, get Trump before she had any evidence that Trump had actually done anything wrong, which he hasn't.

00:31:13.300 So this is the weaponization.

00:31:16.020 There's nothing rare, by the way, about mortgage fraud.

00:31:18.600 It is prosecuted every month, every year.

00:31:21.280 It's just that the people who are who are charged with it are not famous.

00:31:24.880 That's why you don't know about it.

00:31:28.460 What about the tax implications here, Sam?

00:31:31.640 Tax implications also, because there are different tax treatments for interest on loans as it relates to primary residences and et cetera and how much money you're allowed to get.

00:31:48.080 So this is what I'm speculating on, the tax treatment.

00:31:52.180 But as far as the income tax treatment, but as far as the mortgage tax treatment, she's fried. 0.72

00:31:57.640 Well, I mean, to be clear, once you're under federal investigation and federal prosecutors can obtain all of your bank records, all of your campaign bank records, all of your personal documents, all of your emails, all of your text messages, that generally speaking, if you're a corrupt individual, which she very clearly is, based on this trail of mortgage fraud, leads, I think, to broader questions.

00:32:22.860 Well, let me interrupt you.

00:32:25.380 I'm sorry to do this.

00:32:26.340 Go ahead.

00:32:26.520 Here's an easy one.

00:32:28.560 Okay.

00:32:29.080 If she spent campaign money for personal expenses, that is tax fraud.

00:32:35.560 Okay.

00:32:36.200 And with some of our earlier discussions, Roger, way back when, on this channel, okay, showed how she was spending money lavishly from her campaign, trips to Martha's Vineyard, $6,000 in cab rides while she's in Martha's Vineyard, all kinds of stuff.

00:32:58.000 So there is that tax angle, too.

00:33:00.460 Yeah, no, it's very interesting.

00:33:01.500 She uses campaign funds to pay for a beachfront condo in Martha's Vineyard in high season.

00:33:09.440 I believe she took a state plane both ways.

00:33:12.880 The taxpayers paid for that.

00:33:14.340 Now, as I recall, I think she scheduled a campaign fundraiser there or some official tour of some facility in order to try to lay this all off on the taxpayers and claim it was an official visit. 0.75

00:33:30.880 For which, of course, the state would have to pay.

00:33:33.560 I suspect that that is an extraordinary area of exposure.

00:33:38.820 I think this remains to be seen.

00:33:41.260 I know this.

00:33:42.840 Lindsay Halligan is an enormously capable and determined individual of enormous integrity.

00:33:48.260 She's going to go where the evidence leads. 0.93

00:33:51.800 I don't think she's going to be dissuaded by a career prosecutor, just as she was not dissuaded by the 51-page memo that Eric Siebert and the previous U.S. attorney had concluded.

00:34:04.500 Anyway, we'll be back to talk about Letitia James and where this investigation goes with Sam Antar on the other side.

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00:35:18.420 One of the other areas where Sam Antar has done extraordinary investigative reporting is into the campaign of the frontrunner to become mayor of New York City,

00:35:28.580 Democrat nominee, well-known socialist and Islamist, the Ayatollahs, I like to call them, Zoran Mamdami. 0.71

00:35:39.220 Now, if you believe the public narrative, Mandami's phenomena is a grassroots-fueled exercise in the greatness of democracy and that he's challenging the special interests in the dark money and the political elites.

00:35:57.000 But that's a fraud.

00:35:58.920 Sam Antar has documented that Mamdami's rise was paid for by an interlocking series of nonprofits and political committees, largely funded by billionaires and other left-wing progressive influences who don't live in New York City.

00:36:16.240 So the idea that this is a grassroots uprising is a fraud.

00:36:21.660 In early reporting, despite huge hits on social media, Mandami on all the social media, getting millions of visits, Sam Antar uncovered the fact that none of those people bothered to go to his campaign website and click the contribute button.

00:36:42.240 And that is, until Sam Antar pointed that out, then the campaign quickly amended its filings.

00:36:49.200 Sam, you examined how the Mamdami rise was funded.

00:36:53.100 Tell us about it.

00:36:54.480 All right, let me explain to you.

00:36:56.080 Mamdami.

00:36:56.620 And we have three minutes, to be clear.

00:36:59.600 The syndicate, okay, of nonprofits.

00:37:02.060 Let me give you a quick way, okay?

00:37:03.900 Okay, George Soros gives money to Open Society Foundation, which is known as a 501c.

00:37:10.440 He gets a tax deduction on his income taxes, and also he moves the money out of his estate for estate taxes.

00:37:16.840 Okay, the 501c will transfer it to either tides, which is another 501c, or to a 501c4.

00:37:24.720 Okay, or tides will transfer it to a 501c4.

00:37:28.140 But the difference is, if you contribute money through a 501c3 to a 501c4, which is a political action entity, okay, if you contribute money direct, you don't get a tax deduction.

00:37:41.720 But if you funnel the money through a 501c3, you get a tax deduction.

00:37:46.380 So the taxpayers are paying for Mamdani's rise, okay?

00:37:51.340 Because all the billionaires that he hates, and he says to be taxed more, he doesn't talk about that tax loophole, which I believe has also been used illegally.

00:38:01.660 That's really extraordinary.

00:38:04.300 I noticed that most of his money actually came from bundlers.

00:38:07.140 You would think that his money would come from small, individual contributors.

00:38:11.440 Of course, New York has the famous 8-to-1 matching fund system.

00:38:16.280 So if any of the money that Mamdani raised was actually from illegal sources, and he put it through the city's 8-to-1 campaign matching funds, that's actually an additional crime.

00:38:28.060 Sam, have you filed a comprehensive complaint with the IRS?

00:38:32.060 We have about a minute and a half left.

00:38:35.440 What do you think they will do, if anything?

00:38:38.340 I believe that the IRS is going to take action, okay?

00:38:41.840 This is a very, very easy case.

00:38:44.140 It's a tax law, okay?

00:38:45.720 You can't, it's about substance over legal form, and the IRS has the right to do it.

00:38:52.160 When you look at the behavior of charitable, tax-deductible charitable dollars going into political action, that is illegal.

00:39:01.600 That is something that can, that can, they can lose a tax-exempt status, and somebody's going to have to pay billions of dollars in back taxes and penalties.

00:39:12.460 All right, I think it's an easier case for the IRS to digest.

00:39:16.260 All right, I'm afraid we have to leave it there.

00:39:18.420 You can go to whitecollarfraud.com to read Sam Antar's extensive reporting on the rise of Mamdani and how exactly it was financed in great detail.

00:39:27.840 He even has some very cool charts and so on.

00:39:30.560 Meanwhile, you can continue to follow us here at the Stone Zone for the latest updates on whether those members of the Russian collusion cabal and those who tried to destroy Donald Trump are going to face justice or whether they're going to walk.

00:39:46.120 No, it's not about retaliation and revenge.

00:39:48.440 It's about recalibrating the scales of justice so those who engaged in the greatest abuse of power, what I think was a seditious conspiracy to topple a duly elected president are going to face justice or not.

00:40:03.800 Thanks for joining us today in the Stone Zone.

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