The Stone Zone ｜ 12-18-25
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This week on The Stone Zone, Bob and Ken are joined by a very special guest to talk about the Brown University shooting, the FBI Deputy Director stepping down, and much, much more! The Stonezone is a production of Native Creative Podcasts.
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Welcome back in to The Stone Zone. My name is Ken Matthews.
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Always thrilled to be guest hosting for Roger Stone.
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I will say this. There's never a dull moment when President Trump is in office.
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It's just, it's never. It's never boring. It's so exciting.
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We're one week before Christmas. I think we're, what, five days into Hanukkah?
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That's okay. Don't worry about me. I'm going to be okay.
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And I used to mock people that would put it off to the last minute.
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And now even my kids get their shopping done before me.
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I mean, my sons were shopping for mom and grandma and grandpa, you know, four or five days ago.
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And, Dad, it's Jesus' birthday. Get with the program.
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I guess the big news this week, Dan Bongino resigning as deputy director of the FBI.
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We knew it was coming. We don't know why. There's a lot of speculation.
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I'm sure Dan is toying with the idea of returning to media.
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So I don't know what type of information we'll get from him.
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But the good news is, the rumor is, and again, this is a very weak rumor.
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Because, as you know, I don't have any contacts at the White House.
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But nevertheless, the girlfriend, Alexis Wilkins, may be the next deputy director.
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And this would be the perfect fit for the two lovebirds.
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And Cash would be able to work right next to his girlfriend, the deputy director.
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I don't know if you've been following the whole flight situation.
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In fact, here's a little dialogue of their latest podcast interview.
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This is the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States of America and his girlfriend.
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I've never had to step out of a meeting because if it was an emergency, I obviously would.
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And thank God nothing like that has had to have happened.
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I've had to step out of meetings for some family matters that have arised with everyone else.
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But, yeah, I've literally never had to do that.
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I think I had to call you during dinner, though, when I cut my finger open.
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And she informed me she accidentally cut her finger open.
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Yeah, that's the director of the FBI 48 hours ago.
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Let me make it clear, and I do want to make it clear, that this particular interview was before the Brown University shooting.
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But still, it's roughly three months after someone shot Charlie Kirk's throat out.
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I wonder, and be honest, I'd love to get your feedback, 800-848-9222.
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Let's say you're a drug cartel and you're watching that interview.
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You jumped on the Internet because we were picking on you and making fun of you, Kash Patel.
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You're the highest-ranking law enforcement officer, I think, other than the Attorney General.
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And you're worried about being memed and trashed online.
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And then you come in and talk about your gal friend.
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And then you do an interview with her, you know, heading into the holidays when we have chaos and unsolved crimes and cartel boats being blown out of the water.
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And, you know, the Charlie Kirk cover-up just grows in dimension.
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I mean, I get it if Kash was 19 years old and this was his 18, legal, 18, let me just say legal, legal, 18-year-old girlfriend.
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Next, let's go to, let's move over to the military, okay?
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Because we do have some of the highest recruitment rates in history.
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And I do believe that's thanks to the tone that President Donald Trump and his administration said.
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And I simply say this because I think we're kind of overextended at the moment.
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I think a lot of people thought, oh, we can finally get in there and we don't have to deal with this woke stuff.
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And, you know, it's not like we're going to end up in Ukraine or Gaza or Venezuela.
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And I know it's not easy on the basic ingredients on recruiting that, you know, too many of our young people are too fat or too dumb.
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Now, it might be true at some level, but I think you'd probably do better.
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Because, you know, then, I mean, I put on a few pounds just last week because my son bought me a dozen donuts and I ate four of them.
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You know, we're just we're just not educating them properly.
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Or they've got criminal records or PTSD or ADHD.
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There's a lot of things contributing to what someone may or may not qualify to get.
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See, I think one of the problems with the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, in my opinion, this is just my observation as an older guy looking at him.
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He should take better notes and he should refer to his notes.
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Not everybody can host a talk show or a podcast.
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And what we find with him is every time he opens his mouth, he puts a combat boot in it.
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Now, you can argue, yeah, there was some truth to what he said.
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I mean, we have a we have a generation that I think we have a very unique younger generation.
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I think they they are paying more attention to government things and whatever.
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But they're also addicted to digital digital media.
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A lot of them were raised or raised by people that were raised on Sesame Street.
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The government intentionally wants your kids dumbed down.
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Now, that may make somebody wince, but that's a fact.
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And the government needs a weaker population, not a stronger population.
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But he could have said, you know, we need to educate our children better on everything from civility to the Constitution.
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And and he that would have been the perfect opportunity.
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I would have encouraged something like we have some of the smartest young people in the world and we need to make sure they're educated on things like grammar and just communication and math skills and technology.
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And we just have to find the right formula because we know they're out there.
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I mean, every person is an individual, but we're confident that we're going to get them into the military.
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And there could have been a million ways instead of saying everybody's fat and dumb.
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So if you have a parent that, you know, is is hating on America, I don't know if the kid's going to want to enroll.
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If you have a parent that is not that doesn't really care.
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And again, I'm not blaming parents, but there's so much more to it.
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And I know people are still reeling from the speech that Pete Hegseth gave to all the all the military leaders that showed up there.
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Caroline, she said this what she just tweeted recently.
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I've just been informed that the highly respected board of the Kennedy Center, some of the most successful people from all parts of the world, have just voted unanimously to rename the Kennedy Center to the Trump Kennedy Center.
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Yes, because of the unbelievable work President Trump has done over the last year and saving the building.
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Not only the standpoint of its reconstruction, but also financially and its reputation.
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Likewise, congratulations to President Kennedy, because this will be truly a great team long into the future.
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The building will no doubt attain new levels of success and grandeur.
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Now, some people would think that's a cool thing.
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Just like what did we just and I forget her name and forgive me.
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But they just point they just put the the statue of a civil rights icon where General Robert E. Lee was.
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Remember, they took the General Robert E. Lee statue down and they replaced it with a civil rights leader woman.
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I had it in my notes and I just must have dropped it on the floor in the studio here.
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Anyway, point being is I don't know why they couldn't both be there.
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And if you want to add statues because history grows, it modifies, it evolves, it progresses.
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Because a lot of these men were better than what the history books say.
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You have you you recognize a general who fought and was a great leader in the Civil War.
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And just because he fought with the South doesn't mean he was bad.
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And then you have side by side a black leader that is finally getting recognized for their contribution.
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If that doesn't say our country is growing, our country has evolved, our country is an amazing country.
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When you say 250 years ago or 100 years ago, this was happening or 130 years ago, this was happening.
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Or can you believe it was happening 200 years ago?
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You don't want to be erasing history and statues and books.
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And yeah, I think as far as leadership goes, Robert E. Lee was very impressive.
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There were several Confederate generals that were impressive.
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And, you know, there's good and bad on both sides of that.
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Do you remember when we went through the tearing down the statute phase and everybody was cheering?
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We're going to put up a bronze statue of George Floyd.
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Well, Floyd is still up and General Lee got torn down.
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And I would add to that, that as a political analyst and author, he's probably one of the sharpest dressed people in that industry.
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I mean, did you ever read that book, Stone's Rules?
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I mean, he's written other books, but that's a fun book.
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I want to go back to, because this always freaks people out, because there's so many people that still believe the FBI and the government.
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And, you know, if Senator so-and-so said it, it must be true.
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So there's a U.S. Army veteran who has come forward, and he has come forward in name, and he's gone public.
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And he told Candace Owens, he is 99% certain he saw Erica Kirk, Turning Point USA Security Chief Brian Harpole, and Nevada Congressman Mark Amati attending a high-level meeting at a military base in Arizona days before the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
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In case you hear this going around, it's not a conspiracy theory.
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It's an actual living, breathing human being who's putting their life and reputation on the line to counter some of the FBI blather.
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That person matches who I saw at Fort Huachuca in the lobby the night before, and she was with that man in the lobby.
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And that man, he was present at that meeting the next morning.
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If you had to put it at a percentage that you saw that the girl in the ponytail matches the description of Erica Kirk, what percentage would you put that at?
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Just curious if you saw it on any network news or anything.
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There's a lot of things that have come out, some explosive stuff.
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And the fact that, you see, this bothers those of us that follow things very close.
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Just like it bothered me when they lied about January 6th.
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And it bothered me when they said, stolen election in 2020.
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Don't you try to undermine the election, doubting us.
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You see, and this is what's happening with Charlie Kirk.
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And Tyler Robinson is the Lee Harvey Oswald of the day.
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And I'm waiting to see if someone's going to dig deeper.
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Now, there are a handful of people digging deeper.
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And I can tell by the level of mockery they get and attacks and threats that they're obviously near something.
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But this Camp Watucha, by the way, I think that's how you pronounce it, it's a military intelligence base.
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It's not like an Air Force base or, you know, they train military intelligence.
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They train young soldiers, men and women, how to operate on the stage and in the environment of intelligence gathering, disguise, surveillance.
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I'm Ken Matthews in for Roger Stone in the Stone Zone.
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My name is Ken Matthews and the number is 800-848-9222.
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You can find me, troll me, whatever, on social media or at kenmatthewsmedia.com.
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And, of course, X or Twitter or whatever you want to call it.
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And I don't know if you saw this, but Representative Eric Swalwell, as you know, is running for governor of California.
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And he has missed most votes on the floor of any active member of the House, according to an analysis by the Washington Post.
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He even missed more than Arizona Representative Raul Grilvaldial, who passed away, by the way.
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And I mispronounced his name, but not intentionally.
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So he missed more votes on the House floor than a dead man.
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There's a good chance because they need puppets like Gavin Newsom.
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Other big news this week, and we're on the eve of it.
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It's not only Friday Eve now, but this is a huge, huge deal.
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And tomorrow is the big day, in case we've been losing track of this particular case.
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Tomorrow at midnight is the deadline for Pam Bondi to release the Epstein files.
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That is what Thomas Massey and my bill calls for.
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It passed this body 427 to 1, passed the Senate 100 to 0, and the president signed it.
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Now, three federal judges have ordered the release of all of these files in Maxwell and Epstein's grand jury.
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Any Justice Department official who does not comply with this law will be subject to prosecution for obstruction of justice.
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If Pam Bondi does not comply with the law, she will be held either in inherent contempt of Congress or subject to impeachment.
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We will not rest until the law is complied with and justice is served.
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Midnight on a Friday when all the news is dead and no one cares.
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You know, you really got to ask yourself what's going to be redacted from the Epstein files.
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And I know there's there's that contingency of people.
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I mean, look what happened with Comey and Letitia James.
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It's discouraging to see some people get targeted and some people like Hunter Biden live a wonderful life of wealth and who knows what else.
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Now, you may want to sit down for this, but we have to accept the reality that there's going to be a lot of polling and hypotheticals, especially now as we head into the midterms.
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Now, I'm not optimistic about the midterms as far as conservatives go.
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But anyway, that's just my thought, because things aren't going like we were promised they would.
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However, AOC edges the likely Republican nominee, which everybody's saying is J.D. Vance.
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I'm not sure if it's going to be J.D., but a lot of people think that could be the case.
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I'm sure there's a lot of boneheads that are going to get in it because, you know, a third of these senators think they're presidential material.
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OK, not that he's going to get back into it, but I'm sure Ted Cruz is going to want to play.
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I'm sure Marco Rubio is going to want to play, and they're totally going to forget that it wasn't just Trump that beat them in 2016.
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Trump beat them then, and he had zero experience.
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So a guy with zero experience that came off a reality show that everybody was pounding on still didn't vote for Ted Cruz.
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And the fact that AOC, 51%, J.D. Vance, 49%, if the election were held today, right, hypothetical 2028 presidential matchup, that's not a good thing, is it?
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There's a margin of error, so it's basically they're tied.
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But if you told me three years ago, or even if you told me last year, AOC will tie J.D. Vance in a potential presidential race in a poll in a year, I'd be like, no way.
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But that gives you an idea that there's a shift that you're not being told about as often as you should be.
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And I think that the more you avoid the truth, the less strategy is going to be effective, because you're going to be building strategy on propaganda and false intel, basically.
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And J.D. Vance would know about that, being a Marine, right?
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The poll also found that J.D. Vance was more popular among white voters, 57% saying they would vote for him.
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But listen to this, 43% said we'd vote for Ocasio-Cortez.
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What if someone said five years ago, you know, almost half the voters are going to, almost half the white voters would vote for Ocasio-Cortez over Senator J.D. Vance?
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President Trump and the MAGA folks, and I voted for Trump three times, we did such a good job, conservatives in particular, did such a good job of bringing new demographics to the party.
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I mean, we saw it when he was out of the, just right out of the gate in 2015, 2016.
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The women votes, and I think that's why the Democrats put the, they worked so hard on trying to create, remember the big women's rally that was, I was there for that.
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I wasn't at the rally, but I was there when a lot of these women showed up and were hating on Trump during his first inauguration.
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And then you had a march with a lot of different voters early on to try to target Trump as being anti-black, anti-women.
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And he had huge numbers in 24 and 20 among women, among young people, among black voters.
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And now, again, this could be an outlier, but I'm telling you, I see this trending this way.
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And it's sad because it seems like we're losing some of the momentum.
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And I know that to be a good conservative, you're not supposed to say this.
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You're supposed to say, you know, rah, rah, we're on top of it.
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And I'm telling you, out with the people, I'm not a pollster.
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You know, when I'm shopping at Walmart and I bump into someone I know in the parking lot,
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and we're talking about guns and how I should put the right antifreeze in my car or it'll corrode it,
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we also talk about what's up with Trump, what's up with this.
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I don't, sorry, 79% of black voters and 64% of Hispanic voters would vote for AOC for president over J.D. Vance.
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So that is, if it doesn't concern you, which it shouldn't, unless you're running for president,
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So something is going on in this dynamic of MAGA and America First,
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where these groups, including the split in gender,
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now 54% of men voting for Vance, 56% of women for Ocasio-Cortez.
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So what you're seeing is almost a return to the way I believe the Republicans and the Democrats want it to be.
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And this is where I, you know, I freak people out when I say there's really not a lot of difference
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between the Democrat Party and the Republican Party.
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He flipped everything over, and you'd run into entire families of black voters,
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grandma there too, at Trump rallies, and it was phenomenal.
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Some of the Trump rallies that I experienced were just wonderful memories,
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wonderful experiences, like slices of Americana and patriotism.
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And what we're falling back into now, and I think it's a combination of some people are disappointed
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with the performance so far, and media, of course, is reloading,
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because they're not going to tolerate any more of this.
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They're not going to tolerate the level of success.
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Even if it's there, it's getting back to normal.
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And that's where the Democrats and the Republicans want it.
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And this person's always going to vote for those people.
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And that's why the parties take for granted the voters.
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Democrats have always taken black voters and gay voters for granted.
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And then Trump came and shook everything up, and we blew that out of the water in 2020 and 2024.
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But, again, this is nothing to lose sleep over, this particular survey,
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With your discussion of the Trump-Kennedy Center, I think it's great, and I think your point
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about having history side by side is what they're doing, Trump-Kennedy Center.
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I was thinking statues and not signs, but you bring up a good point.
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And I was just at the Kennedy Center a few weeks ago for a classical performance, and I'm going
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to go again the end of January for Fiddler on the Roof.
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The National Symphony, which we saw a few weeks back, outstanding, magnificent.
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They start the performance with a rousing national anthem.
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I hadn't been there in years, but I wanted to support it because I do support Rick Rennell
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So I guess that, in a way, it reinforces the argument that, you know, why not have the
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statue from one era, and it represents a certain belief or ideology, some things we did wrong,
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some things we did right, and then you see this evolution where, you know, Martin Luther
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King Jr. is honored, and there is a level of dignity and patriotism with so many different
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races and people as it evolved throughout the years.
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I was born in New Jersey, but I grew up in the South, and I know a lot of wonderful people
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from the South, and, you know, the South gets a bad rap in the North, and I'm not going
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to lie to you, the North gets a bad rap in the South, you know?
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There's damn Yankees, and there are those darn rednecks, and it's not, that's really not the
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It's just a little piece of it, but some of the most incredible soldiering and military
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tactics and military valor can be found in both the North and the South during the Civil
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War, and one of the reasons was because we were all Americans, which sometimes we forget,
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It had to be a horrific time, the country divided, but it evolved to the point where, you know,
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we've had a black president for eight years, and we have probably the best, I would say,
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the best race and gender environment of any other country on Earth, and everybody has an
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opportunity to succeed at levels never before even imagined.
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This is The Stone Zone, and we'll be right back.
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The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative, on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
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My name is Ken Matthews, in for Roger tonight, in The Stone Zone, on the Red Apple Audio Networks,
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Hope you're enjoying your Hanukkah time, and your countdown to Christmas.
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It's one week from Christmas, and whatever else you're celebrating, and again, don't worry
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about me, I've got enough gifts, don't be wanting, you know, I know some of you might
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be running around, what are we going to get Ken?
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Anyway, Milton Friedman, the legend, Milton Friedman, said this.
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First of all, the government doesn't have any money.
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The government only gets money by putting its hand in your pocket and taking it out.
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That's the truth, and this is the hardest thing for people to understand.
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We get programmed into believing that that's where the government gets its money, that it
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We are the source of all money in this country.
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A school, a bomb, a wing repair on a fighter jet, a new bus, a desk in a senator's office,
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And you know, this is where I'm going to say, I'm not going to go into my tangent about if
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we all just agreed to stop paying taxes for one month, we could control the world.
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I'm not going to say that again, just going to move right on to where we are now seeing
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more restrictions on drones here in the United States.
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And I fear that this will lead to private ownership of drones being either further restricted
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Because the drone warfare that is taking place, not only in the Ukraine with the Russians,
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obviously, drone warfare is taking place all over the Middle East.
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And now it has become so easy to buy a commercial drone and modify it.
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People are using drones to, not to drone on, but people are using drones to deliver things.
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But they're also using drones as small as a shoebox and as big as a small prop aircraft.
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I don't know if you've seen some of the drones that we fly over battle spaces thousands and
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thousands of feet up in the air to bring amazing intelligence and deliver payloads of devastating
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weaponry, but also most special ops have had drones as part of their kit for almost two decades.
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And now you can pull a drone out of a backpack and launch it into the battle space and there's
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So to train for these drones, they have to do it in America.
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But civil authorities restrict the use of GPS jammers and other electronic warfare weapons
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Just like you can't have, you know, soldiers can only do so much in American cities.
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And the last thing they're going to do is train in a populated American city.
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So this is kind of a thing that they're caught in the middle of.
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They have to decide where are we going to train, where we can do it secretly, but effectively.
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What they're working on doing is carving out air spaces for these systems.
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And one in particular is the 6th Battalion, 2nd Special Warfare Training Group.
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And they did an interview with Defense One Magazine.
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And the FAA will be ruling on it along with government agencies to see if, you know,
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your son may have to keep his drone out of the airspace.
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