The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 12-18-25

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00:00:36.760 Welcome back in to The Stone Zone. My name is Ken Matthews.

00:00:41.600 Always thrilled to be guest hosting for Roger Stone.

00:00:46.300 800-848-9222 on the Red Apple Audio Networks.

00:00:51.080 And, of course, 77 WABC New York.

00:00:54.000 What a busy week. Holy shnikes.

00:00:56.340 I will say this. There's never a dull moment when President Trump is in office.

00:01:03.900 It's just, it's never. It's never boring. It's so exciting.

00:01:07.260 We're one week before Christmas. I think we're, what, five days into Hanukkah?

00:01:11.360 I still have not received any type of gift.

00:01:13.740 That's okay. Don't worry about me. I'm going to be okay.

00:01:17.440 I can't believe it's a week from Christmas.

00:01:20.040 I still have to finish 90% of my shopping.

00:01:24.340 And I used to mock people that would put it off to the last minute.

00:01:28.960 Like, you know?

00:01:29.540 And now even my kids get their shopping done before me.

00:01:33.580 I mean, my sons were shopping for mom and grandma and grandpa, you know, four or five days ago.

00:01:38.680 I said, what are you doing?

00:01:39.400 And, Dad, it's Jesus' birthday. Get with the program. 0.96

00:01:44.180 I guess the big news this week, Dan Bongino resigning as deputy director of the FBI.

00:01:51.820 We knew it was coming. We don't know why. There's a lot of speculation.

00:01:55.660 I'm sure Dan is toying with the idea of returning to media.

00:01:59.200 But he probably has a 700-year NDA.

00:02:02.660 So I don't know what type of information we'll get from him.

00:02:04.580 But the good news is, the rumor is, and again, this is a very weak rumor.

00:02:10.740 Because, as you know, I don't have any contacts at the White House.

00:02:15.140 And they refused to return my calls.

00:02:17.240 But nevertheless, the girlfriend, Alexis Wilkins, may be the next deputy director.

00:02:25.800 And this would be the perfect fit for the two lovebirds.

00:02:29.560 And Cash would be able to work right next to his girlfriend, the deputy director.

00:02:38.160 They can spend more time together.

00:02:40.300 They can set up some of the flights.

00:02:43.540 I don't know if you've been following the whole flight situation.

00:02:46.100 In fact, here's a little dialogue of their latest podcast interview.

00:02:49.720 This is the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States of America and his girlfriend.

00:03:00.800 I've never had to step out of a meeting because if it was an emergency, I obviously would.

00:03:06.480 And thank God nothing like that has had to have happened.

00:03:10.120 I've had to step out of meetings for some family matters that have arised with everyone else.

00:03:16.160 But, yeah, I've literally never had to do that.

00:03:19.720 I think I had to call you during dinner, though, when I cut my finger open.

00:03:22.860 Oh, yeah, there was that.

00:03:25.280 I did.

00:03:25.940 That was, yes, I was not in D.C.

00:03:29.060 And she informed me she accidentally cut her finger open.

00:03:32.560 And I said, okay, are we getting stitches?

00:03:34.880 Are we at the hospital?

00:03:35.720 Are we going to go?

00:03:36.980 And her mom was sending me funny texts.

00:03:39.040 And I knew it was fine.

00:03:43.640 Woo! 0.99

00:03:44.800 Ha ha! 0.86

00:03:46.100 Do you feel the synergy?

00:03:47.300 Yeah, that's the director of the FBI 48 hours ago.

00:03:51.980 Let me make it clear, and I do want to make it clear, that this particular interview was before the Brown University shooting.

00:04:01.280 So I do want to make it clear on that.

00:04:03.560 But still, it's roughly three months after someone shot Charlie Kirk's throat out.

00:04:08.280 We still don't know who that is.

00:04:09.380 And so I just found that very interesting.

00:04:13.300 I wonder, and be honest, I'd love to get your feedback, 800-848-9222.

00:04:19.560 Let's say you're a drug cartel and you're watching that interview. 0.65

00:04:24.580 Are you laughing your butt off? 0.99

00:04:26.540 I am.

00:04:27.100 I'm thinking, are you serious?

00:04:29.960 You know, I thought it was bad enough.

00:04:31.360 You jumped on the Internet because we were picking on you and making fun of you, Kash Patel.

00:04:34.900 You're the highest-ranking law enforcement officer, I think, other than the Attorney General.

00:04:40.200 But I think technically you are.

00:04:42.200 And you're worried about being memed and trashed online.

00:04:45.360 And then you come in and talk about your gal friend.

00:04:48.540 And then you do an interview with her, you know, heading into the holidays when we have chaos and unsolved crimes and cartel boats being blown out of the water.

00:04:58.680 And, you know, the Charlie Kirk cover-up just grows in dimension.

00:05:03.520 I thought it was pretty weak.

00:05:04.760 I don't know.

00:05:05.720 You tell me what you think.

00:05:06.820 I mean, I get it if Kash was 19 years old and this was his 18, legal, 18, let me just say legal, legal, 18-year-old girlfriend.

00:05:17.640 But it wasn't.

00:05:18.780 It wasn't.

00:05:20.280 It was crazy.

00:05:22.140 Next, let's go to, let's move over to the military, okay?

00:05:27.320 Because we do have some of the highest recruitment rates in history.

00:05:31.660 And I do believe that's thanks to the tone that President Donald Trump and his administration said.

00:05:39.040 I don't know how long that is going to last.

00:05:41.800 And I simply say this because I think we're kind of overextended at the moment.

00:05:45.800 I think a lot of people thought, oh, we can finally get in there and we don't have to deal with this woke stuff.

00:05:50.440 And, you know, it's not like we're going to end up in Ukraine or Gaza or Venezuela.

00:05:55.000 That's what I'm thinking they were thinking.

00:05:57.080 These have been historic recruiting numbers.

00:05:59.620 You guys have all delivered. 0.99

00:06:01.080 And I know it's not easy on the basic ingredients on recruiting that, you know, too many of our young people are too fat or too dumb. 0.99

00:06:11.720 That was a mistake, Secretary. 0.99

00:06:14.900 Can I call you Secretary of Defense?

00:06:18.080 That was a mistake, saying that.

00:06:20.740 Now, it might be true at some level, but I think you'd probably do better.

00:06:28.140 You've already called people fat. 0.99

00:06:29.840 I don't know if you want to call them dumb. 0.97

00:06:33.140 Because, you know, then, I mean, I put on a few pounds just last week because my son bought me a dozen donuts and I ate four of them. 0.99

00:06:41.480 Too fat or too dumb or not dumb. 0.98

00:06:44.660 That's wrong. 0.99

00:06:45.700 You know, we're just we're just not educating them properly.

00:06:47.680 Or they've got criminal records or PTSD or ADHD.

00:06:51.040 All these other things.

00:06:51.940 There's a lot of things contributing to what someone may or may not qualify to get.

00:06:56.440 See, I think one of the problems with the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, in my opinion, this is just my observation as an older guy looking at him.

00:07:10.440 OK, he should take notes.

00:07:12.560 He should take better notes and he should refer to his notes.

00:07:15.020 Not everybody can speak extemporaneously.

00:07:18.220 Not everybody can host a talk show or a podcast.

00:07:21.240 Not everybody can give a presidential speech.

00:07:23.300 And what we find with him is every time he opens his mouth, he puts a combat boot in it.

00:07:30.480 And this was one of those things.

00:07:33.160 Now, you can argue, yeah, there was some truth to what he said.

00:07:37.180 I mean, we have a we have a generation that I think we have a very unique younger generation.

00:07:42.280 I think they're waking up.

00:07:43.980 I think they they are paying more attention to government things and whatever.

00:07:48.440 But they're also addicted to digital digital media.

00:07:52.480 They're addicted to their phones.

00:07:54.400 A lot of them were raised or raised by people that were raised on Sesame Street.

00:07:59.100 And that's part of the government's problem.

00:08:02.060 So it goes full circle.

00:08:04.020 The government intentionally wants your kids dumbed down.

00:08:09.140 Now, that may make somebody wince, but that's a fact.

00:08:12.760 And the government needs a weaker population, not a stronger population.

00:08:18.140 So this is what Pete is running into.

00:08:20.040 But he could have said, you know, we need to educate our children better on everything from civility to the Constitution.

00:08:30.960 And and he that would have been the perfect opportunity.

00:08:33.440 Again, I am a speechwriter, but not for Pete.

00:08:35.920 I would have encouraged something like we have some of the smartest young people in the world and we need to make sure they're educated on things like grammar and just communication and math skills and technology.

00:08:52.240 And we just have to find the right formula because we know they're out there.

00:08:57.380 They're out there.

00:08:58.240 I mean, every person is an individual, but we're confident that we're going to get them into the military. 0.99

00:09:03.940 And there could have been a million ways instead of saying everybody's fat and dumb. 0.98

00:09:09.440 There's too many. 0.99

00:09:10.560 We know that we know that.

00:09:12.460 But you know what?

00:09:13.780 Sometimes the parents play a role in that.

00:09:16.540 So if you have a parent that, you know, is is hating on America, I don't know if the kid's going to want to enroll.

00:09:23.340 If you have a parent that is not that doesn't really care.

00:09:27.020 And again, I'm not blaming parents, but there's so much more to it.

00:09:29.820 And I know people are still reeling from the speech that Pete Hegseth gave to all the all the military leaders that showed up there.

00:09:40.160 I don't know if you saw this.

00:09:41.400 This is a this is an exciting moment.

00:09:44.100 Carolyn Levitt, Caroline.

00:09:46.360 I always get their name wrong.

00:09:47.540 I'm sorry.

00:09:47.880 I don't mean to do that.

00:09:48.780 I don't want to go on a list.

00:09:50.540 Caroline, she said this what she just tweeted recently.

00:09:54.920 I've just been informed that the highly respected board of the Kennedy Center, some of the most successful people from all parts of the world, have just voted unanimously to rename the Kennedy Center to the Trump Kennedy Center.

00:10:08.640 Holy moly.

00:10:10.600 You want to talk about triggering people?

00:10:13.060 That's going to be that's going to be big.

00:10:16.300 That's some triggering right there.

00:10:18.640 Oh, my goodness.

00:10:19.940 Yes, because of the unbelievable work President Trump has done over the last year and saving the building.

00:10:26.100 OK, I hear that's true.

00:10:27.760 I hear he raised a lot of money for it.

00:10:29.760 Not only the standpoint of its reconstruction, but also financially and its reputation.

00:10:34.460 Congratulations to President Donald J.

00:10:36.120 Trump.

00:10:36.640 Likewise, congratulations to President Kennedy, because this will be truly a great team long into the future.

00:10:43.980 The building will no doubt attain new levels of success and grandeur.

00:10:46.860 So, wow.

00:10:47.800 Now, some people would think that's a cool thing.

00:10:51.020 I'm not big on modifying history that way.

00:10:54.840 Just like what did we just and I forget her name and forgive me.

00:10:59.120 I might still have it here.

00:11:00.980 Hold on.

00:11:01.320 It may be in my notes.

00:11:02.760 But they just point they just put the the statue of a civil rights icon where General Robert E. Lee was.

00:11:11.340 Remember, they took the General Robert E. Lee statue down and they replaced it with a civil rights leader woman.

00:11:19.080 I forget her name.

00:11:19.760 Please forgive me.

00:11:20.740 I had it in my notes and I just must have dropped it on the floor in the studio here.

00:11:24.200 Anyway, point being is I don't know why they couldn't both be there.

00:11:27.940 That's my there is a point to this.

00:11:30.320 There really is.

00:11:31.040 Why can't you leave the statues up?

00:11:34.660 And if you want to add statues because history grows, it modifies, it evolves, it progresses.

00:11:44.800 Why not leave these statues up?

00:11:48.560 Because a lot of these men were better than what the history books say.

00:11:54.200 And some of these men were worse.

00:11:57.300 But why not leave the statue up?

00:11:59.480 I think it's even more impressive.

00:12:02.080 You have you you recognize a general who fought and was a great leader in the Civil War.

00:12:08.920 And just because he fought with the South doesn't mean he was bad.

00:12:13.840 OK.

00:12:13.980 And then you have side by side a black leader that is finally getting recognized for their contribution.

00:12:25.280 If that doesn't say our country is growing, our country has evolved, our country is an amazing country.

00:12:31.340 When you say 250 years ago or 100 years ago, this was happening or 130 years ago, this was happening.

00:12:37.700 Or can you believe it was happening 200 years ago?

00:12:40.240 Look at this.

00:12:41.080 But you tear down history.

00:12:42.740 You know, that's what conquerors do.

00:12:45.760 You don't want to do that.

00:12:47.660 You don't want to be erasing history and statues and books.

00:12:53.120 That worries me.

00:12:54.540 That worries me.

00:12:55.940 And yeah, I think as far as leadership goes, Robert E. Lee was very impressive.

00:13:01.740 There were several Confederate generals that were impressive.

00:13:06.180 And, you know, there's good and bad on both sides of that.

00:13:10.800 You want to weigh in on that.

00:13:11.880 I'd love to hear your thoughts.

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00:13:15.400 Do you remember when we went through the tearing down the statute phase and everybody was cheering?

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00:13:20.320 We're going to put up a bronze statue of George Floyd.

00:13:23.840 That's America.

00:13:25.040 Remember that?

00:13:26.040 Yeah.

00:13:26.260 Well, Floyd is still up and General Lee got torn down.

00:13:29.640 We'll be right back in the Stone Zone.

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00:15:45.560 And I would add to that, that as a political analyst and author, he's probably one of the sharpest dressed people in that industry.

00:15:55.480 I mean, the guy knows how to dress.

00:15:58.080 I mean, did you ever read that book, Stone's Rules?

00:16:01.320 I have it right here on my bookshelf.

00:16:03.140 It's a cool book.

00:16:03.860 It's a fun book.

00:16:04.520 I mean, he's written other books, but that's a fun book.

00:16:08.340 I want to go back to, because this always freaks people out, because there's so many people that still believe the FBI and the government.

00:16:16.200 And, you know, if Senator so-and-so said it, it must be true. 0.97

00:16:20.020 So there's a U.S. Army veteran who has come forward, and he has come forward in name, and he's gone public.

00:16:30.340 And he told Candace Owens, he is 99% certain he saw Erica Kirk, Turning Point USA Security Chief Brian Harpole, and Nevada Congressman Mark Amati attending a high-level meeting at a military base in Arizona days before the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:16:53.560 And here's what that testimony sounded like.

00:16:56.160 In case you hear this going around, it's not a conspiracy theory.

00:16:59.600 It's an actual living, breathing human being who's putting their life and reputation on the line to counter some of the FBI blather.

00:17:07.540 That person matches who I saw at Fort Huachuca in the lobby the night before, and she was with that man in the lobby.

00:17:19.400 And that man, he was present at that meeting the next morning.

00:17:25.540 If you had to put it at a percentage that you saw that the girl in the ponytail matches the description of Erica Kirk, what percentage would you put that at?

00:17:37.540 Those are really rare eyes.

00:17:43.060 That's 95 to 99%.

00:17:45.060 I can't imagine somebody else.

00:17:51.240 So that's pretty explosive stuff.

00:17:54.600 Just curious if you saw it on any network news or anything.

00:17:57.680 I'm just curious.

00:17:58.680 There's a lot of things that have come out, some explosive stuff.

00:18:01.180 Like, it turns out that's not the gun.

00:18:04.320 And the fact that, you see, this bothers those of us that follow things very close.

00:18:12.440 We follow it closely, no matter what it is.

00:18:14.680 Just like it bothered me when they lied about January 6th.

00:18:17.840 And it bothered me when they said, stolen election in 2020. 0.98

00:18:21.460 What are you, crazy? 0.90

00:18:22.540 That was the most secure election in history. 0.98

00:18:25.600 Joe Biden got 47 trillion votes.

00:18:28.300 Don't you try to undermine the election, doubting us.

00:18:31.820 You see, and this is what's happening with Charlie Kirk.

00:18:35.160 And Tyler Robinson is the Lee Harvey Oswald of the day.

00:18:39.060 And I'm waiting to see if someone's going to dig deeper.

00:18:42.680 Now, there are a handful of people digging deeper.

00:18:45.260 And I can tell by the level of mockery they get and attacks and threats that they're obviously near something.

00:18:53.120 But this Camp Watucha, by the way, I think that's how you pronounce it, it's a military intelligence base.

00:19:01.980 It's not like an Air Force base or, you know, they train military intelligence.

00:19:08.380 They train young soldiers, men and women, how to operate on the stage and in the environment of intelligence gathering, disguise, surveillance.

00:19:21.220 I just find it fascinating.

00:19:24.920 What do you think?

00:19:26.580 800-848-9222.

00:19:28.600 I'm Ken Matthews in for Roger Stone in the Stone Zone.

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00:20:12.480 In for Roger Stone tonight in the Stone Zone on the Red Apple Audio Networks.

00:20:16.700 My name is Ken Matthews and the number is 800-848-9222.

00:20:20.760 You can find me, troll me, whatever, on social media or at kenmatthewsmedia.com.

00:20:27.660 I'm on Rumble.

00:20:28.940 I'm on YouTube.

00:20:29.920 That's usually the best place to troll.

00:20:33.720 And, of course, X or Twitter or whatever you want to call it.

00:20:36.860 I post a lot on X.

00:20:40.580 And I don't know if you saw this, but Representative Eric Swalwell, as you know, is running for governor of California.

00:20:49.800 And he has missed most votes on the floor of any active member of the House, according to an analysis by the Washington Post.

00:21:04.180 He even missed more than Arizona Representative Raul Grilvaldial, who passed away, by the way.

00:21:14.680 And I mispronounced his name, but not intentionally.

00:21:17.120 So he missed more votes on the House floor than a dead man.

00:21:22.600 And he's running for California.

00:21:24.840 He's probably going to win now.

00:21:26.020 There's a good chance.

00:21:27.160 There's a good chance because they need puppets like Gavin Newsom.

00:21:32.560 Who do you think has better hair? 1.00

00:21:35.700 Eric Swalwell or Gavin Newsom?

00:21:38.340 I don't know.

00:21:38.720 Other big news this week, and we're on the eve of it.

00:21:43.400 It's not only Friday Eve now, but this is a huge, huge deal.

00:21:50.260 And this is the deadline for this, by the way.

00:21:52.560 Okay.

00:21:52.840 This is Congressman Ro Khanna.

00:21:57.580 And tomorrow is the big day, in case we've been losing track of this particular case.

00:22:02.800 Tomorrow at midnight is the deadline for Pam Bondi to release the Epstein files. 0.97

00:22:09.600 That is what Thomas Massey and my bill calls for.

00:22:13.220 It passed this body 427 to 1, passed the Senate 100 to 0, and the president signed it.

00:22:19.880 Now, three federal judges have ordered the release of all of these files in Maxwell and Epstein's grand jury.

00:22:30.880 Here is the reality.

00:22:33.660 Any Justice Department official who does not comply with this law will be subject to prosecution for obstruction of justice.

00:22:42.600 If Pam Bondi does not comply with the law, she will be held either in inherent contempt of Congress or subject to impeachment.

00:22:51.580 We will not rest until the law is complied with and justice is served.

00:22:57.860 Thank you.

00:22:58.480 Wow.

00:22:59.500 Well, I forgot.

00:23:01.400 I forgot it was tomorrow.

00:23:03.380 I wonder what's going to happen.

00:23:04.320 It's always midnight on a Friday.

00:23:06.360 Midnight on a Friday when all the news is dead and no one cares.

00:23:12.300 And it's the week before Christmas.

00:23:13.680 It's the perfect time to release it.

00:23:15.100 I wonder how much is going to be redacted.

00:23:17.680 You know, you really got to ask yourself what's going to be redacted from the Epstein files.

00:23:22.320 And I know there's there's that contingency of people.

00:23:25.360 Just move on.

00:23:26.400 It's it's child trafficking.

00:23:28.360 Get over it, dude.

00:23:29.920 It's kind of like Russiagate, right?

00:23:32.140 Move on.

00:23:32.980 There's nothing we can do about it now.

00:23:34.420 It's not like we can, you know, arrest people.

00:23:37.800 I mean, look what happened with Comey and Letitia James.

00:23:40.940 I mean, how this it's not looking good.

00:23:43.360 I want to see more people in handcuffs.

00:23:45.080 There's not enough people in handcuffs.

00:23:47.500 And it's it's discouraging.

00:23:49.080 It's discouraging to see some people get targeted and some people like Hunter Biden live a wonderful life of wealth and who knows what else.

00:24:00.780 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, AOC.

00:24:05.240 Now, you may want to sit down for this, but we have to accept the reality that there's going to be a lot of polling and hypotheticals, especially now as we head into the midterms.

00:24:15.860 Now, I'm not optimistic about the midterms as far as conservatives go.

00:24:22.620 I just don't know.

00:24:23.860 I think it's going to be sad.

00:24:25.760 But anyway, that's just my thought, because things aren't going like we were promised they would.

00:24:31.500 There are some good things happening, though.

00:24:33.920 However, AOC edges the likely Republican nominee, which everybody's saying is J.D. Vance.

00:24:42.580 I'm not sure if it's going to be J.D., but a lot of people think that could be the case.

00:24:46.340 I have no idea.

00:24:48.080 I'm sure there's a lot of boneheads that are going to get in it because, you know, a third of these senators think they're presidential material. 0.98

00:24:56.620 And I mean, look at Jeb Bush.

00:24:58.700 OK, not that he's going to get back into it, but I'm sure Ted Cruz is going to want to play.

00:25:03.300 I'm sure Marco Rubio is going to want to play, and they're totally going to forget that it wasn't just Trump that beat them in 2016.

00:25:14.120 It was the people that didn't choose them.

00:25:16.860 You know, that's the other part of it.

00:25:19.100 You could say, well, Trump isn't in the race.

00:25:21.700 It's a different thing now, can it?

00:25:23.040 Trump is not in there, so they might win.

00:25:25.300 Well, no.

00:25:25.780 Trump beat them then, and he had zero experience.

00:25:30.260 So a guy with zero experience that came off a reality show that everybody was pounding on still didn't vote for Ted Cruz.

00:25:38.500 I'm just throwing that out there.

00:25:40.280 And the fact that AOC, 51%, J.D. Vance, 49%, if the election were held today, right, hypothetical 2028 presidential matchup, that's not a good thing, is it?

00:25:55.780 I don't think it is.

00:25:57.920 Now, that'll change by tomorrow.

00:26:00.640 Polls change.

00:26:02.260 Elections change.

00:26:03.420 Who knows what's going to happen?

00:26:04.540 There's a margin of error, so it's basically they're tied.

00:26:08.140 But if you told me three years ago, or even if you told me last year, AOC will tie J.D. Vance in a potential presidential race in a poll in a year, I'd be like, no way.

00:26:24.440 But that gives you an idea that there's a shift that you're not being told about as often as you should be.

00:26:30.860 And I think that the more you avoid the truth, the less strategy is going to be effective, because you're going to be building strategy on propaganda and false intel, basically.

00:26:44.720 And J.D. Vance would know about that, being a Marine, right?

00:26:47.200 The poll also found that J.D. Vance was more popular among white voters, 57% saying they would vote for him.

00:26:54.560 But listen to this, 43% said we'd vote for Ocasio-Cortez.

00:26:59.620 Now, what if someone said that?

00:27:01.120 What if someone said five years ago, you know, almost half the voters are going to, almost half the white voters would vote for Ocasio-Cortez over Senator J.D. Vance?

00:27:10.700 I wouldn't have believed it.

00:27:15.060 But, and here's the thing that concerns me.

00:27:18.720 President Trump and the MAGA folks, and I voted for Trump three times, we did such a good job, conservatives in particular, did such a good job of bringing new demographics to the party.

00:27:36.040 And Trump really did a phenomenal job.

00:27:39.300 He did a phenomenal job with that.

00:27:41.300 And we saw it.

00:27:42.300 I mean, we saw it when he was out of the, just right out of the gate in 2015, 2016.

00:27:47.140 The women votes, and I think that's why the Democrats put the, they worked so hard on trying to create, remember the big women's rally that was, I was there for that.

00:27:59.080 I wasn't at the rally, but I was there when a lot of these women showed up and were hating on Trump during his first inauguration. 0.99

00:28:09.720 And then you had a march with a lot of different voters early on to try to target Trump as being anti-black, anti-women.

00:28:21.620 And he had huge numbers in 24 and 20 among women, among young people, among black voters.

00:28:34.220 And now, again, this could be an outlier, but I'm telling you, I see this trending this way.

00:28:41.880 And it's sad because it seems like we're losing some of the momentum.

00:28:46.420 And I know that to be a good conservative, you're not supposed to say this.

00:28:50.780 You're supposed to say, you know, rah, rah, we're on top of it.

00:28:55.420 And I'm telling you, out with the people, I'm not a pollster.

00:28:59.800 I'm not a politician.

00:29:01.900 You know, when I'm shopping at Walmart and I bump into someone I know in the parking lot,

00:29:05.540 and we're talking about guns and how I should put the right antifreeze in my car or it'll corrode it,

00:29:12.920 we also talk about what's up with Trump, what's up with this.

00:29:17.360 You think Bongino's going to resign.

00:29:19.680 You think Cash has an issue with his vision.

00:29:23.080 I don't, sorry, 79% of black voters and 64% of Hispanic voters would vote for AOC for president over J.D. Vance.

00:29:36.260 So that is, if it doesn't concern you, which it shouldn't, unless you're running for president,

00:29:42.300 it certainly should concern J.D. Vance.

00:29:45.520 So something is going on in this dynamic of MAGA and America First,

00:29:51.280 where these groups, including the split in gender,

00:29:56.640 now 54% of men voting for Vance, 56% of women for Ocasio-Cortez.

00:30:01.500 So what you're seeing is almost a return to the way I believe the Republicans and the Democrats want it to be.

00:30:10.540 And I'm talking about the parties.

00:30:12.600 And this is where I, you know, I freak people out when I say there's really not a lot of difference

00:30:18.060 between the Democrat Party and the Republican Party.

00:30:20.580 Trump came in, bull in a china shop.

00:30:22.360 He flipped everything over, and you'd run into entire families of black voters,

00:30:32.720 grandma there too, at Trump rallies, and it was phenomenal.

00:30:37.560 Some of the Trump rallies that I experienced were just wonderful memories,

00:30:41.980 wonderful experiences, like slices of Americana and patriotism.

00:30:48.620 And what we're falling back into now, and I think it's a combination of some people are disappointed

00:30:56.260 with the performance so far, and media, of course, is reloading,

00:31:00.820 because they're not going to tolerate any more of this.

00:31:04.840 They're not going to tolerate the level of success.

00:31:07.220 Even if it's there, it's getting back to normal.

00:31:10.720 And that's where the Democrats and the Republicans want it.

00:31:13.000 That's how it was set up.

00:31:14.900 This color should vote for those people.

00:31:16.760 This gender should vote for those people. 1.00

00:31:18.180 And this person's always going to vote for those people.

00:31:20.580 And that's why the parties take for granted the voters.

00:31:24.480 Democrats have always taken black voters and gay voters for granted.

00:31:28.700 And then Trump came and shook everything up, and we blew that out of the water in 2020 and 2024.

00:31:35.700 But, again, this is nothing to lose sleep over, this particular survey,

00:31:42.060 but it's something to pay attention to.

00:31:45.720 Let me grab a phone call here.

00:31:47.180 Gail.

00:31:49.280 Gail in Pennsylvania.

00:31:50.860 I'm familiar with that state.

00:31:52.280 Welcome to the Roger Stone Zone.

00:31:54.640 Hello.

00:31:55.600 How are you doing?

00:31:56.640 Very well, and you?

00:31:58.040 Good.

00:31:58.320 With your discussion of the Trump-Kennedy Center, I think it's great, and I think your point

00:32:06.880 about having history side by side is what they're doing, Trump-Kennedy Center.

00:32:12.200 You know what?

00:32:13.200 That's a good point.

00:32:14.060 I didn't even think about that.

00:32:15.160 I was thinking statues and not signs, but you bring up a good point.

00:32:18.500 And I was just at the Kennedy Center a few weeks ago for a classical performance, and I'm going

00:32:24.740 to go again the end of January for Fiddler on the Roof.

00:32:29.160 Oh, man, that's awesome.

00:32:30.420 It's a gorgeous, gorgeous building.

00:32:33.200 The National Symphony, which we saw a few weeks back, outstanding, magnificent.

00:32:39.240 They start the performance with a rousing national anthem.

00:32:43.340 Oh, beautiful.

00:32:44.340 I just felt a lot of patriotism.

00:32:46.500 I love the building.

00:32:47.920 I hadn't been there in years, but I wanted to support it because I do support Rick Rennell

00:32:53.320 and President Trump.

00:32:54.980 Well, thank you so much for calling.

00:32:56.780 I appreciate it, Gail.

00:32:57.600 You brought up a great point.

00:32:58.620 So I guess that, in a way, it reinforces the argument that, you know, why not have the

00:33:05.260 statue from one era, and it represents a certain belief or ideology, some things we did wrong,

00:33:13.920 some things we did right, and then you see this evolution where, you know, Martin Luther

00:33:19.120 King Jr. is honored, and there is a level of dignity and patriotism with so many different

00:33:30.580 races and people as it evolved throughout the years.

00:33:36.100 I just, it's sad.

00:33:37.500 I'll be honest.

00:33:38.220 I was born in New Jersey, but I grew up in the South, and I know a lot of wonderful people

00:33:42.640 from the South, and, you know, the South gets a bad rap in the North, and I'm not going

00:33:48.200 to lie to you, the North gets a bad rap in the South, you know? 0.99

00:33:52.140 There's damn Yankees, and there are those darn rednecks, and it's not, that's really not the 1.00

00:33:57.840 case. 1.00

00:33:58.220 It's just a little piece of it, but some of the most incredible soldiering and military

00:34:05.200 tactics and military valor can be found in both the North and the South during the Civil

00:34:13.320 War, and one of the reasons was because we were all Americans, which sometimes we forget,

00:34:20.180 so we had all these American people.

00:34:22.100 It had to be a horrific time, the country divided, but it evolved to the point where, you know,

00:34:29.000 we've had a black president for eight years, and we have probably the best, I would say,

00:34:36.120 the best race and gender environment of any other country on Earth, and everybody has an

00:34:44.180 opportunity to succeed at levels never before even imagined.

00:34:50.540 800-848-9222.

00:34:53.040 I'm Ken Matthews, in for Roger Stone.

00:34:54.620 This is The Stone Zone, and we'll be right back.

00:34:56.400 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative, on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:35:06.800 My name is Ken Matthews, in for Roger tonight, in The Stone Zone, on the Red Apple Audio Networks,

00:35:11.640 and 77 WABC New York.

00:35:14.700 Hope you're enjoying your Hanukkah time, and your countdown to Christmas.

00:35:19.120 It's one week from Christmas, and whatever else you're celebrating, and again, don't worry

00:35:23.360 about me, I've got enough gifts, don't be wanting, you know, I know some of you might

00:35:28.960 be running around, what are we going to get Ken?

00:35:34.780 Anyway, Milton Friedman, the legend, Milton Friedman, said this.

00:35:41.120 First of all, the government doesn't have any money.

00:35:44.480 Only people have money.

00:35:46.400 The government only gets money by putting its hand in your pocket and taking it out.

00:35:53.360 That's the truth, and this is the hardest thing for people to understand.

00:35:57.620 It's especially younger people.

00:36:00.060 We get programmed into believing that that's where the government gets its money, that it

00:36:06.260 creates its money, but we don't understand.

00:36:09.740 We are the source of all money in this country.

00:36:14.580 We're the source of all of it.

00:36:16.600 We pay for everything, you and I.

00:36:18.900 Our jobs pay for everything.

00:36:20.320 Our taxes pay for everything.

00:36:22.320 A school, a bomb, a wing repair on a fighter jet, a new bus, a desk in a senator's office,

00:36:33.080 it's all our money.

00:36:36.600 And you know, this is where I'm going to say, I'm not going to go into my tangent about if

00:36:40.820 we all just agreed to stop paying taxes for one month, we could control the world.

00:36:44.460 I'm not going to say that again, just going to move right on to where we are now seeing

00:36:51.060 more restrictions on drones here in the United States.

00:36:56.020 And I fear that this will lead to private ownership of drones being either further restricted

00:37:03.860 or eliminated.

00:37:04.620 Why is this?

00:37:05.300 Because the drone warfare that is taking place, not only in the Ukraine with the Russians, 0.66

00:37:14.080 obviously, drone warfare is taking place all over the Middle East.

00:37:18.220 And now it has become so easy to buy a commercial drone and modify it.

00:37:29.220 People are using drones to, not to drone on, but people are using drones to deliver things.

00:37:35.540 But they're also using drones as small as a shoebox and as big as a small prop aircraft.

00:37:45.020 I don't know if you've seen some of the drones that we fly over battle spaces thousands and

00:37:51.100 thousands of feet up in the air to bring amazing intelligence and deliver payloads of devastating

00:38:00.000 weaponry, but also most special ops have had drones as part of their kit for almost two decades.

00:38:10.200 And now you can pull a drone out of a backpack and launch it into the battle space and there's

00:38:18.060 no risk to get that intelligence.

00:38:21.620 So to train for these drones, they have to do it in America.

00:38:24.280 But civil authorities restrict the use of GPS jammers and other electronic warfare weapons

00:38:31.500 because of the Constitution, right?

00:38:34.640 Just like you can't have, you know, soldiers can only do so much in American cities.

00:38:40.540 And the last thing they're going to do is train in a populated American city.

00:38:46.500 So this is kind of a thing that they're caught in the middle of.

00:38:52.120 They have to decide where are we going to train, where we can do it secretly, but effectively.

00:38:58.800 But this is the future of warfare.

00:39:00.840 And they have to find out a way now.

00:39:02.500 What they're working on doing is carving out air spaces for these systems.

00:39:08.660 And one in particular is the 6th Battalion, 2nd Special Warfare Training Group.

00:39:14.160 And they did an interview with Defense One Magazine.

00:39:17.120 And the FAA will be ruling on it along with government agencies to see if, you know,

00:39:25.840 your son may have to keep his drone out of the airspace.

00:39:30.780 But why, Mommy? Why? 0.99

00:39:34.260 Because the military's coming, son.

00:39:37.700 Hopefully it'll be friendly.

00:39:39.700 Have a great, great weekend.

00:39:42.080 And a Merry Christmas if I don't see you.

00:39:43.900 My name's Ken Matthews.

00:39:46.640 See you next time.

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