The Stone Zone with Special Guest Matt Gaetz ｜ 10-21-25
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Former Congressman Matt Gaetz (R-Florida) joins us in the Stone Zone to talk about how President Trump's second term stacks up against his first term, and why he's now a better president than the one before him.
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Zone. Today, it is my distinct pleasure to welcome one of the boldest, most outspoken
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conservative voices in the country, former congressman from Florida's 1st District, now
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host of the Matt Gaetz Show on One America News. Former Congressman Matt Gaetz joins
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Well, it's great to be with you, Roger. Thanks for having me back.
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Matt Gaetz has consistently been one of President Trump's strongest and most effective advocates
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all the way back to his first election. He is an unwavering conservative. It is thanks
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to his courage and leadership that Mike Johnson is now the Speaker of the House rather than
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the hapless, empathetic Kevin McCarthy. And Matt Gaetz is also outspoken. He is a man
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who speaks the truth. Matt, let's kind of start from the beginning. How do you think
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President Trump's unpredictable and incredible second term is stacking up compared to his
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They are different. Admittedly, they are different. And I would say that the touchstone of that
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difference is the difference in personnel. In the first administration, we had so many snakes in
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the grass. President Trump had rolled into Washington with a New York Rolodex. And a lot
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of the people he relied upon in Washington, D.C. betrayed him. They were more interested in getting
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people who they could milk for, you know, influence peddling than people truly dedicated to President
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Trump's principles and his vision and his agenda. And that's just so different than what you see
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now. You see a cabinet that's really working together as a team. You see both horizontal
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integration across agencies to do things like the deportation agenda, which requires a DOD component,
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Department of Justice component, obviously DHS as the lead. But then we also have a lot more
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continuity vertically. You know, we were always facing liars, leakers at the deputy assistant
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secretary level and those folks who sometimes are Senate confirmed, but not the names that you see
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most frequently in the news. And more and more through the first term and frankly, through the four
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years that we spend in the wilderness thereafter, we got a really good sense of who would do a good job.
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And not everyone's perfect. There are, of course, you know, times when everyone, myself included,
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need encouragement to focus on the right prioritization of our incredibly long task list.
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But at the end of the day, there's vertical and horizontal integration. And then the president is
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able to be more comfortable and in his bag. When Trump was first in office, he was so grieved and
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angry about the lies of the Russia hoax and what was happening to you and what was happening to
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General Flynn and what was happening to George Papadopoulos. It was happening to his own family.
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They were trying to throw Don Jr. in prison and they were not kidding about that. That was not like
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a PR stunt. That was an actual resourced effort. And he was so grieved by that and yet rescued the
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economy anyway. And it did a number of other great things. But now he is able to approach the presidency
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with, I think, a full suite of skills and assets and agencies and experiences that are going to make
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this the most consequential four years for the country, I think, in my lifetime.
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Yeah, I agree with your assessment. I think in his first term, he came to Washington from the world
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of business and he not unreasonably thought, well, there's the Republicans and the Democrats.
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Democrats are my opponents. The Republicans are my allies, not recognizing that there were many in
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the Republican Party who resented his nomination, resented his rise, did not support his America
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first agenda. Ironically, I think he's now, even though I think he was a great president in his
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first term, bring us a record-breaking economy, rebuilding our military strength, appointing
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scores of conservatives to the federal courts, just for a couple of examples. But I actually
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think he's now a greater president in his second term because he was so battle-hardened by those
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four years in the wilderness. Those four years in the wilderness, he got to really understand
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the deep state and their viciousness and their duplicity. And today, he's just a much wiser,
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tougher, more seasoned leader. I have said on the show...
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And nothing rattles him, Roger. Nothing rattles him now. Think about where we've been. This is a man
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who has survived multiple assassination attempts and having to sit there in that dank New York
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courtroom as he was subjected to this absurd criminal prosecution. And now he's like, oh,
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what, the best you have is the no-kings rally? Like, the best you have are, like, some boomers
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sweating to the oldies and some people adopting lesbians and, you know, confused transsexuals
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as, like, the base of what you're going to do to try to win back a majority of the country.
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It's laughable to see how Democrats are responding now, given what Trump has endured. Like, what?
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What are you going to do? Shut the government down? Fine. I'll pay the troops anyway. I'll act,
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and you all will look like a bunch of clowns and we'll own it. And that's just the kind of
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clarity of decision-making you probably only get with the concoction of experiences that we've been
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I agree with your assessment. I'm a fan of Speaker Mike Johnson. I don't think people have a clear
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understanding of how difficult his job is because the Republican caucus is very broad. Let's face
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it. There are some rhinos in that caucus. They're not interested in reform. They're not interested in
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exposing the corruptions of the Biden crime family. They're not interested in holding people
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accountable. And then there are others in the caucus who are true radicals who, you know,
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really believe deeply in the America First agenda, want to bring reform. And of course,
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the Speaker has to get enough votes to pass anything. What's your assessment of the Speaker?
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Well, I personally like him a great deal and still communicate with him frequently when I have
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ideas or when he wants to share what's going on in the House. You know, I think in terms of
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the inner workings of the Republican primary, let's just be super reductive about it. There's us and
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there's them. And the us are people who are not bought and paid for by big business. The us are
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people who don't want more wars. The us are those of us who are very suspicious of increased federal
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surveillance of everything. And the them we think are the kind of amnesty, curious, pro-interventionist,
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a chamber of commerce Republicans. And Mike is one of us. But what what what has created frustration
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at times is that we always thought he would be more willing to squeeze them. Like we believed Mike
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emerging as a movement conservative would make Mike more likely to say to the war pimps and the
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surveillance snoops and the amnesty, curious crowd that it's just not going to be that way.
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And of course, you know, you're right. There's a math problem. And the core of that math problem is
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in the United States House of Representatives. There are more of them than there are of us.
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And that's what the Speaker has to balance daily.
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Well, folks, if you're just tuning in, we're talking to former Congressman Matt Gaetz,
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now the host of The Matt Gaetz Show on One America News. Matt Gaetz is a bold conservative,
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a trained attorney, a fiery debater, and a political lightenrod who never shies away from a fight.
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We're pleased to have him. Today, your former colleague, Jim Jordan, made a formal referral
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of former CIA Director John Brennan to the U.S. Justice Department for lying to Congress multiple
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times about material matters furthering the Russian collusion hoax. You have been, as I have,
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a strong supporter of Attorney General Pam Bondi. Do you have confidence that Brennan,
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Mueller, Comey, Clapper, et al., McCabe, and others will actually be held to account that they will
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actually be charged for their egregious crimes of seditious conspiracy to undo the 2016 election?
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I do believe that they will be charged. I do believe it will be a conspiracy charge. And I think the reason
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that it will be a conspiracy charge is so that you can avoid the judicial death trap that is venue in the
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greater Washington, D.C. area, where you get so many of these public employees and radical liberal Democrats
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in every jury pool. But I believe that there was a criminal conspiracy to undermine the workings of
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President Trump on a lot of fronts. And I think the December 9th meeting that Obama had directing his
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top deep state officials to concoct this Russia hoax was one act in furtherance of that conspiracy.
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But you know what another act was, I think, in furtherance of it? The raid at Mar-a-Lago.
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Because some of the documents President Trump had in his possession were the documents that were
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exculpatory for him that proved that what you had observed from the Obama team was false.
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And so when they directed the government to go and raid his home to get the evidence
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in their own possession that demonstrated their own criminal culpability, that would then use such
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a conspiracy charge in the Southern District of Florida. I've lived in the Southern District.
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You live in the Southern District, Roger. I think that the jury pool we get in the Southern District
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of Florida is way more likely to administer justice. Now, as to the specific act of Brennan in furtherance
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of the conspiracy, there is, I believe, perjury to questions I asked. I was the one asking questions of
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Brennan in a recent deposition just a couple years ago within the statute of limitations. And ostensibly,
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the deposition was about the Hunter Biden cover-up and the Hunter Biden laptop story being Russian
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disinformation. But I know we've only got a minute or so left here, but maybe we'll chat about it in
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the next segment, how we were able to get Brennan talking about the Steele dossier, his role in getting
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that pollinated around the intelligence community, and how that really became central to the public
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relations drive to convict all of you in the media before anyone had a fair opportunity to present
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evidence. Yeah, I think you raise an excellent point. Lying to Congress is the least of John
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Brennan's problems. Here's a man who is an admitted communist, who we know spied on a U.S. Senate
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committee that was investigating his illegal use of torture as the CIA director. The man who signed
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the visas for four of the hijackers who were told attacked America on 9-11. And the guy who knew that
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the Steele dossier, the fake report paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign, commissioned by Hillary
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Clinton's campaign, was jammed into President Barack Obama's intelligence briefing so it could be used as
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the rationale for illicit FISA warrants so they could spy on Donald Trump's campaign, as well as the
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rationale for the appointment of Robert Mueller, who tried to send me to prison for the rest of my life,
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as well as destroying President Trump and my good friend, General Flynn. Folks, if you're just tuning
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in, we're talking to Matt Gaetz. Matt Gaetz is an unapologetic defender of the America First agenda,
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an outspoken conservative, a man who came to my aid when I was in deep water. We're honored to have him,
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and don't go away. We'll be right back with more of Matt Gaetz. In the meantime, don't forget to check out
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This is The Stone Zone. Now, get in the zone. It's The Stone Zone.
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A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going, and he's smart, and he's strong, and people love him.
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Not everybody, but people love him and respect him. Roger Stone. Where's Roger Stone?
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And we're back in The Stone Zone. We're talking to former Congressman Matt Gaetz, one of the most
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outspoken and articulate supporters and advisors to President Donald Trump. Matt, you recently made
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a tongue-in-cheek post on X insinuating that the moon landing was faked. I made the same mistake
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several years ago. I actually said I thought the whole thing was shot in a warehouse in New Jersey.
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It was a joke, but many people on X can't take a joke. As a man who's authored a number of books
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on conspiracies myself, I'm kind of wondering, what conspiracies piqued your interest and why?
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Well, I will, of course, affirm that that was a joke. I was reposting a post that had suggested
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that there were two moons. And of course, there aren't two moons for Earth. And so I was joking
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that if there were two moons, we ought to fake a landing on the second fake moon, which of course,
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you know, you're right. It's sometimes it's funny just to see what will get a rise out of people on
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X. But, you know, isn't there an odd life cycle to conspiracies? First, if you say something like
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the vaccine might hurt you, or there were a lot of federal officers and agents on the grounds of
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January 6th, or actually it was Hillary Clinton benefiting from support from Russians. If you said
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those things, first, it was a conspiracy. Then it was Russian disinformation. Then it was like true,
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but you could still be hunted for it. And then finally, like, actually, you know, the left did
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some great thing for you. I mean, it's just, they come true so frequently. And so those are things I've
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been called a conspiracy theorist for. Oh, 60 Minutes did a whole segment on how Tucker Carlson and I
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were conspiracy theorists, because we said that the coronavirus came out of the Wuhan lab and not
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out of the pangolin at the animal market. So that's a, it's another conspiracy that came true.
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Yeah, kind of reminds me of the four phases of life. You know what they are? Who is Matt Gaetz?
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Get me Matt Gaetz. Get me a Matt Gaetz type. Who is Matt Gaetz? That kind of sums up celebrity
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in America today. Folks, if you're just tuning in, we're talking to former Congressman Matt Gaetz,
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who formerly represented Florida's first district in Congress. When we come back,
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I'm going to ask Matt Gaetz about a ongoing scandal in Florida in which Governor Ron DeSantis and his wife
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and the current attorney general seem to me to have been caught red-handed taking $10 million in
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Medicare funds that was earmarked for the poor, the elderly and the disabled and moving it to a dark
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money account where they used it to fight two statewide initiatives that they opposed that were
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on the ballot in the Sunshine State. It is reported that a state grand jury is looking into this matter.
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Congressman Gaetz has been quite vocal about it, as have I. I want to ask him about that.
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So when we come back, Matt Gaetz is going to bring us up to date on his views
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regarding politics in the Sunshine State. And then we'll talk a bit more about the situation
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in the Middle East, where I think Matt Gaetz has been unfairly criticized. So whatever you do,
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don't touch that dial. We'll be right back with more of this terrific interview with Congressman Matt Gaetz.
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This is the Stone Zone. Now, get him a zone. It's the Stone Zone. A man who's gone through hell,
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but he's kept going and he's smart and he's strong and people love him. Not everybody,
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but people love him and respect him. Roger Stone. Where's Roger Stone?
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And we're back in the Stone Zone with former Congressman Matt Gaetz, now the host of the
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Matt Gaetz Show at One America News. If you haven't tuned in for Matt Gaetz's show,
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it is terrific. Don't miss it. I raised a question in the last segment about Governor Ron DeSantis
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of Florida. Now, I am a pretty vociferous critic of Ron DeSantis because I think he owes
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his governorship to Donald J. Trump. His rise in the Republican primary was due to a Trump endorsement
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and his victory in that election where he won by 25,000 votes in 2018 out of 8.9 million votes cast,
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I think is due to the fact that President Trump on the advice of Matt Gaetz and others changed his
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schedule three times in the closing days of that election to help drag Ron DeSantis over the finish
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line for a very tight race. More recently, Governor DeSantis and his wife and the man they appointed
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Attorney General of Florida, James Uthmeyer, have been accused of taking $10 million from Medicare funds,
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money that was specifically earmarked for the poor, the elderly, and the handicapped,
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and moving that money to a dark money account where they used it to fund initiatives against the
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legalization of cannabis. This has been widely reported in both the Miami Herald and the Orlando
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Sun Sentinel. I think it is a very serious scandal. It's amazing to me how few people in Florida actually
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know about this. As I indicated, there is a state grand jury that's been impaneled and seems to be
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hearing evidence in this matter. Matt, how serious is this and what is your assessment?
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I think the conduct is pretty seriously wrong. There is a state-managed care entity and they
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had overbilled the state some gargantuan amount and actually years ago had offered to settle that
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dispute for $67 million. And the state of Florida said, no, we won't settle the dispute at that amount.
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And then years later, when Ron DeSantis and James Uthmeyer needed to find money to defeat a marijuana
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legalization amendment that they didn't like, they go back and say, well, tell you what,
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instead of giving the state $67 million, why don't you give $57 million back to the state that you
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overbilled? And then let's take $10 million and run it through some charity of my wife and then some
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shadowy C4 organizations. And then lo and behold, the money pops up in the political committee of
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the then chief of staff, now attorney general, James Uthmeyer. And if it is legal to say to someone
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that instead of paying the money back to the folks that they jilted, that they can instead send the
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money to your political committee to run political ads, then we have legalized theft and we shouldn't.
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And I think that's why there's a grand jury of answering questions about whether or not someone
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I think that's an excellent assessment. How would you assess the current race for governor of the
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Sunshine State? I kind of hoped that you would run. I think it's pretty clear at this point that you've
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decided to dedicate yourself to the Matt Gaetz show, where you're an important and bold voice for
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conservative views. How do you assess the current race for governor?
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I like what I'm doing now. I think, you know, Byron is a good guy and it's easy to see why he's got so
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many supporters. You know, I don't know that the field is fully set and I'm paying close attention
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to it. I will say on the Democrat side, the fact that they seem to be running David Jolly is such a
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meme for how far the Democrat party in Florida has fallen. Like, I'm just wondering, Roger, did a group of
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Democrats get together over there on Adam Street and say, tell you what, when we ran Charlie Crist last
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time, a former Republican from Pinellas County who had a cup of coffee in Congress, we almost got
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there. We lost by 20. And so let's take the Charlie Crist archetype, a former Republican from Pinellas
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County who had a cup of coffee in Congress, and let's zap it of any personality. That's basically what
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you get with David Jolly. It's like Charlie Crist without the personality. So I think that certainly,
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you know, we've got folks in the cabinet now who regularly eye the governorship. We've got a number
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of folks in Congress who I think look at it. Yeah, I like what I'm doing now on the MacGate show,
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but it'll be interesting to watch over the next several months.
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Yeah, Charlie Crist is an amazing guy. First of all, as you know, he's eminently likable. It's almost
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impossible to dislike him. But how one can go from a Ronald Reagan conservative, which is what he
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always called himself, to being a Barack Obama Democrat, stopping briefly to be an independent
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on his way there. It reminds me of that joke, a Republican, a Democrat, and an independent walked
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into a bar, and the bartender said, hi, Charlie. Yeah, it really is. And David Jolly's not only a former
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Republican Congress of the rhino stripe, but now he's a lobbyist. I actually almost feel sorry for
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the Florida Democrats. They literally have no bench whatsoever. They can't come up with a viable
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candidate for governor. So I think whoever the Republican nominee is, is likely to be elected.
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I agree with you, however, that the field may not be full. I notice that you are frequently put into
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the league with my friend Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tucker Carlson, and others, and being defamed as
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anti-Semitic. I've known you a long time. I know that that's the furthest thing from the truth. I don't
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think there's anything wrong with saying we should put America's interests first rather than Israel's
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interests first. As President Nixon used to say, it doesn't mean that we aren't pro-Israel. It doesn't
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mean that we don't recognize that Israel is a friend and ally. But an American president must always put
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the interests of America first. And then there's this insane claim that because you take that
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position, which I think is the correct position, that you are somehow compensated by Qatar or
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compensated by some state entity to hold the views that you have. I think this is outrageous and
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unfair. Well, how do you respond to these fake allegations? Well, it's just so silly, Roger,
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because it doesn't happen anywhere else. When I criticize the Chinese, no one says that I'm
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xenophobic. When I criticize the country of Niger for throwing out American troops, no one said I was
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doing it because I hated black people. But somehow, if you're critical of the decisions of the Netanyahu
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government, rather than engaging those criticisms logically and thoroughly, people like to just throw
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them in the well-used bucket of anti-Semitism. And I would warn those who overuse that phrase,
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look what happened to the people who overused racism, right? The people who saw racism lurking
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behind every corner ultimately became beclowned in society. And the same may become true of people
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who think that every legitimate criticism of a government's actions when tens of thousands of people
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are dying is somehow rooted in hatred for a people or a country. I want what's best for Israel. I want
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what's best for the Jewish people. I hope that they thrive. That's not the view of someone who's
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anti-Semitic. I do believe that the decisions of the Netanyahu government not only are not in America's
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best interest, I don't even think they're in Israel's best interest. I think they're just in
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Netanyahu's best interest. I think this is a guy who tries to externalize conflict because it is the
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only way he is able to hold power. So he has disrupted all this great work President Trump
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has tried to do for peace. I mean, just think about when they were bombing Qatar. They were
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bombing Qatar because one way to make sure that there's no peace deal is executing the people
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who might sign it. And I think that has been very revealing, not only to President Trump, who has
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great instincts, but also to the country at large. When you look at the sympathies for Israel after the
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October 7th attack, they were rightly and justly at a zenith. People were horrified by that. And you
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compare those numbers now, more and more polling is suggesting there are greater sympathies with the
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Palestinians than with Israelis that are aligned with the Netanyahu government. So I will continue
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to cover what is happening in Israel in the Middle East. I think it's very important. I am 43 years
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old. In most of my life, I've seen my friends, my neighbors, people I care deeply for get drug into
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these stupid wars in the Middle East. And I think that they were that happened because people weren't
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asking the right question. President Trump asked the right questions is reposition the Republican
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Party. And I'm going to be to make make make sure that there's not a reversion to the neoconservative
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mean. Yeah, I completely agree. All this anti-cutter hysteria is really ridiculous. Cutter's mediation
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was important in achieving President Trump's most recent peace deal. And President Trump considers
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them a great ally. So all of this bizarre animus is really strange. You actually talked about how you
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found someone rummaging through your stuff during a visit to Israel. Can you explain exactly what
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happened and why you believe they were doing that? It was an AIPAC trip. And my week there, I had been
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in South America previously, I had eaten some grubs and had some really bad digestive distress. And so
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instead of like climbing some mountain in Israel, as I was planned to do, I scurried back to my hotel
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room. And there was a person in my room, and they were snooping around, for lack of a better term,
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I asked them what they were doing there. They said that they were with the hotel, and they were making
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sure that everything in my room was appropriately appointed. But that made no sense. This person
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had no hotel name badge, they had no clipboard. And before I knew it, they flipped out and were gone.
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And when I reported that to my committee chairman, to the leader of the delegation,
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I was told, yep, you know, make sure not to leave anything important in your room when you're traveling
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abroad, which probably is good advice. And, you know, I wasn't carrying around Joe Biden's
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classified documents or John Bolton's, you know, love notes to himself. But it was it was revealing
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that even in Israel, we had to maintain our guard. I noticed you recently had some words with Ambassador
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Mike Huckabee. Can you describe what happened there and what facilitated that exchange?
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Well, again, I like Mike Huckabee personally a great deal. When I first ran for Congress,
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he had a fundraiser for me in his home. Mike Huckabee was very angry that Zionist
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touring Christians were getting delayed visas. And so he wrote a letter to the Israeli government
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saying that this was wrong, that those American Christians should be able to come without the
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harassment. He described it as harassment and negative treatment the government was imposing.
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And then quite interestingly, he said that if the visas were not resolved, his remedy would be to
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encourage those people to not come. In other words, boycott. He would encourage Americans not to give
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to groups within Israel, also known as divestment. And he would in turn not approve visas for Israelis
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wanting to go to the United States, also known as a sanction. I found it very interesting. I reported
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on this back in July. But Mike Huckabee was using boycott, divest and sanction strategies against Israel
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to achieve this result. And lo and behold, it worked. BDS done by Mike Huckabee to Israel was effective.
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And he used shrewd diplomacy to get Americans their approvals. And thereafter, I think more recently,
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someone posted the video and Mike Huckabee said, well, this is a lie. I never called for BDS. And
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I had to remind Ambassador Huckabee of the words in his very own letter from months earlier.
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Matt, your leadership through that long, seemingly endless Republican caucus was inspiring.
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You took a lot of heat for it, but you stood tall. And the result, I think, was very, very much worth it.
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I think that those who have already thrown in the towel on the midterm elections are making an enormous
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mistake. Several months ago, I did Laura Loomer's show on Rumble. And she said, oh, we're going to lose
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the midterms elections. I realize that in American politics, a week is a lifetime. And you can't
00:32:58.400
determine what's going to happen more than a year from now, today. If you had to assess
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the upcoming midterms, understanding that a lot will go down between now and then,
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what do you think is the likely result? You know, Roger, you and I spent all this
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time talking about why people vote and how that moves the balance of power. But as I look at the
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battle space right now, I think the midterms are going to be determined by some of this devious
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cartography. I think that who controls the House of Representatives in the midterms is going to be
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really, really driven by the Gavin Newsom effort in California, whether or not there's a corresponding
00:33:40.800
effort in Indiana, and, you know, whether or not Florida gets additional congressional seats
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for reapportionment as a consequence of more accurate census data.
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I think that's a good assessment. Obviously, the state of the economy is going to be key,
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as it always is. I mean, President Trump's critics said that if he pursued
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better tariff deals with our trading partners, that is to say, tariff arrangements that are good
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for both us and our trading partners, as opposed to giving away the store,
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as we have traditionally done, well, the stock market would crash, inflation would skyrocket,
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unemployment would be out of control. Of course, none of those things has happened.
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This past June was the first month in 15 years that the United States government actually ran a
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surplus, meaning we took in more money than the government paid out, which is almost a miracle.
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Then Elon Musk, somebody I admire very much and I like, because he stood tall for free speech when
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he bought Twitter and converted it into X, he took the extraordinary step of revealing all of the internal
00:34:52.880
documents and documentation that showed that those in our intelligence services under
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Joe Biden and Barack Obama worked hand in glove with Twitter executives to censor people like,
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well, Matt Gaetz and me and anyone who questioned President Trump, the safety and effectiveness of
00:35:13.120
the COVID vaccination, the outcome of the 2020 election, the Russian collusion hoax,
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the validity of Hunter Biden's laptop revelations. So can we ever really, as a former member,
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can we ever really make the deep cuts in federal spending to get rid of the not millions, not billions,
00:35:36.800
but literally trillions of dollars of waste, fraud and corruption that Elon Musk identified?
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I mean, of the 435 votes in Congress, there aren't 100 of them to do that. You know,
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there might be 80, 85 on a real good day where everybody's had their caffeinated coffee and is
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feeling a full doubt of courage. But, you know, what's the goal of a politician? To get elected,
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and then to get reelected, and then to get elected to higher office.
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Folks, if you're just tuning in, we're talking to former Congressman Matt Gaetz, one of the boldest,
00:36:11.840
most outspoken conservatives in the country today. He is the host of the Matt Gaetz Show
00:36:17.120
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00:36:22.080
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All right. We're back in The Stone Zone. Just a few more minutes with former state representative and
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three-term member of Congress, Matt Gaetz. Matt, kind of a lighthearted question. You are consistently
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among the best dressed and most dapper men in the field of media or politics. Now, neither one of us has
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shoes like Vish Burra, but other than that, would you care to share your style tips for those in the audience
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Very well. I don't select any of my own clothes. My wife dresses me. And if I ever look like a clown,
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it's because she's down that day and I got access to the closet myself. I have no
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effective sense of style. Actually, HBO made a movie about me called The Swamp,
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and it was before I met my wife. And it's reflective of really someone who probably got dressed in the
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dark or had some serious color blindness. And I always appreciate looking at the stone on style tips,
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but I've never been able to fully integrate them. And my wife, she tries to keep me in a
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like a clean, fresh look. I wear a lot of black and white and try not to spill on myself too much.
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Well, you've given away your secret because you've definitely upped your game.
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I think you look great and it's all due to your wonderful wife, Ginger. I want to thank you for
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joining us today in The Stone Zone. Matt Gaetz, once again, the host of The Matt Gaetz Show on
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One America News, absolute must watching for American conservatives or anyone who is a free
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thinker. Matt, God bless you and thank you for joining us today in The Stone Zone. Folks,
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thank you for joining us today in The Stone Zone. Until tomorrow, God bless you and God's spirit.