Trump’s NYC Lynching — The StoneZONE w⧸ Roger Stone + Derrick Evans and Jim Pfaff
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On day two of the Trump trial, the defense rested its case against the former president. Stone and Stone are joined by lawyer Jonathan Turley to discuss the day's events, including the jury selection process, and the lack of evidence from the prosecution. Also, Stone is joined by fellow conservative, Derek Evans, to discuss his campaign for Congress in the upcoming primary election in West Virginia, and why he thinks all Trump supporters are racist. The Stone Zone with Roger Stone is a show about politics, culture, and pop culture. Roger Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents, is a New York Times best-selling author, and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society. Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone, has become a pop culture icon. And now, here s your host, Roger Stone, and his co-host, Troy Smith, joins me to talk about this and a great deal more on today s show with my good friend and fellow conservative and pundit, D.J. Ervil Vellian, to talk all things Trump. . Today s show features: 1. What s going to happen with this trial? 2. Why a former president should not have to go through this process 3. What is the difference between a criminal trial and a civil action? 4. Who s guilty and who s innocent? 5. Why Trump s not guilty? 6. 7. Why is a crooner? 8. What does it matter? 9. What are we should be allowed to vote in this case? 10. 11. Who should be on the jury? 12. What should we do about it? 13. How much money should we get? 14. 15. How should we pay for this? 16. Is it really? 17. Is this a good thing? And so on and so much more? 18. What can we learn from this case, and what s going on here? 19. Can we trust the process? 21. What will it take us to get a fair shot at a fair trial And what s the worst thing we can do in a trial like this case in the future? and so on?
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The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit
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Roger Stone. Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
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He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald
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Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts,
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spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the
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Cambridge Union Society. Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena,
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Stone has become a pop culture icon. And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.
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Welcome. I'm Roger Stone. And yes, you are back in the Stone Zone. Well, day two of the trial of
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President Donald Trump, unprecedented, the first time a former president has faced a criminal
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action, or even for that matter, a civil action in the history of the country. That's because this
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isn't a prosecution. This is election interference. Here to join me to talk about this and a great
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deal more is my co-host from Slingshot.News, Troy Smith. Troy, welcome back in to the Stone Zone.
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Well, Roger, it's an honor to be here as always. And, you know, heading into this trial, we're really
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looking at a historic moment. You've seen more politics in this country than most people,
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and I think you, better than anybody, can speak to the historic importance of this trial.
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Really looking forward to it. Joining us on today's show is Derek Evans. He is a Republican candidate for
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Congress in West Virginia. He is a veteran of January 6th. He is an America First candidate.
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We're going to be talking to him about his insurgent congressional campaign. But before
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he joins us, Jonathan Turley, who, to my mind, is one of the more brilliant legal minds in the
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country. He's not a conservative. He's not a Republican. He's not a Trump supporter.
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Neither is he a supporter of Biden, although I believe he's probably a Democrat. Here was his take
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In this case, Trump is right. I mean, this is an embarrassment. I mean, the fact that we are
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actually talking about this case being presented in a New York courtroom leaves me in utter disbelief.
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I mean, the arguments today did, in fact, capture all the problems here. You know, you had this
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misdemeanor under state law where that had run out. This is going back to related to the 2016 election
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and they zapped it back into life by alleging that there was a campaign finance violation
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under the federal laws that doesn't exist. The Department of Justice doesn't view it this way.
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This is, I think, an excellent starting point. The point here, of course, is that there is no crime.
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The parallels between this trial in New York and my trial in D.C. are really keeping me up at night.
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First, you have the makeup of the jury. Yesterday, a juror was dismissed when they finally broke down
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and admitted that they couldn't be objective, that they worked in the same building with Michael Cohen
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and that their family was close to former governor Chris Christie of New Jersey. I suspect you have
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numerous jurors here who have attacked President Donald Trump on their social media postings. But
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then, of course, they say during jury selection, oh, of course I can be objective. This is a hanging
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jury. It's a Manhattan jury. I've been there. You might recall that in my case, the jury forewoman,
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whose name was Tomika Hart, I didn't out her. She outed herself. She'd been a Democrat member,
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pardon me, a Democrat candidate for Congress in Tennessee. She was a protege of left-wing
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political consultant and empty talking head, Donna Brazil. She had attacked me and President Trump
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on both Twitter and Facebook. In the year before I was arrested, she specifically attacked me regarding
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the very case in which she was later selected as a juror. Yet she said during jury selection,
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she wasn't really following the Russian collusion prosecution. She wasn't all that aware of who I
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was. In other words, she lied to get on the jury. Then she kept her social media settings on a private
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setting during the trial and then tried only to quietly delete them afterwards. Fortunately,
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the investigative journalist Mike Cernovich was able to go using the Wayback Machine, was able to go back
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and find her vicious attacks on Trump. I remember one specifically, Troy, she said that all supporters
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of Donald Trump are racists. That would mean, of course, that she thought I was a racist. She should
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never have been sitting on my jury. Then there was the other juror, gave an extensive interview to the
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Washington Post. He said he was absolutely correct that I had been convicted, although I think even
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he'd have a hard time explaining my crime, since there was none. But he worked for Jill Stein and had
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been an organizer for the Green Party. Doesn't exactly sound to me like he had no political points of view.
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Now, my lawyers moved for a change of venue. We realized DC was not a location or a jurisdiction where
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we could possibly get an honest or fair trial. That was denied. Trump has now moved for a change of
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venue. That will be denied. I moved that the judge recuse herself after she praised the jury for their
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excellent deliberations in light of the revelations regarding the corruption of the jury for woman.
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She said that was a cheap publicity stunt. It was interesting that throughout my trial,
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the judge's conduct was reprehensible. She would roll her eyes so the jury could see her whenever one of
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my lawyers was talking. She accused my lawyers of being too New York. I think that's an ethnic slur.
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All of my lawyers were Jewish. She said they were too New York. I'm not sure what that means.
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She didn't mind it when the government was aggressive and they were incredibly aggressive.
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But when my lawyers were the slightest bit aggressive, which wasn't very often in the trial,
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she would admonish them to stop their courtroom theatrics. When you file a good faith motion
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for recusal, she has every right to decline it. But to call it a publicity stunt does not comport with
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the facts. It's also interesting that the limits that they're seeking to put on Donald Trump in his
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defense. In my case, it was a simple question of the underlying premise of the charges against me.
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They were that the Russian intelligence had hacked the Democratic National Committee,
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had conducted an online hack, and that information had somehow made its way to WikiLeaks.
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They never actually accused me of possessing it or sending it. They tried to imply that I knew about
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it in advance. And of course, from two points of view, I did. One, Julian Assange himself had said
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repeatedly that he had devastating information on Hillary and the Democrats and that he would
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drop it in October. And then Randy Credico, a kind of a gadfly New York radio talk show host and
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impressionist who used to be a friend of mine, told me that he heard that whatever it was that
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Assange has was devastating, that it would be the end of Hillary's campaign. When I asked him how he
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knew that, he said he knew it from a woman lawyer who was a friend of his who worked for Assange.
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And don't ask any more questions, he said about it. All of this in writing, all of this provided to
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the special counsel. Credico denied on the stand that he had heard anything from a lawyer connected
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to Assange. And the woman lawyer in question, she perjured herself as well, saying she'd never
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discussed the matter with Credico. But it is, I throw these things out only so people can see
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exactly what Donald Trump is about to go for, go through. Because you see, Troy, I think I was the
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template. I was the prototype. I was the dry run for this egregious action against President Trump.
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Well, exactly, Roger. And in your case, I think it's important to point out, and I wanted to ask you
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about this because you were gagged, obviously. They did everything to try to stop you from speaking.
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And I wanted to ask you, you know, they've kind of been unsuccessful in doing that in some cases with
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Trump. The idea of gagging a presidential candidate, that is just beyond, I mean, how far out of line is
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that, Roger? That is just historically, that's just unbelievable that they would actually try to gag
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a presidential candidate. The Constitution actually holds that political speech is among the most
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protected speech we have. But we've seen the same trajectory here. In my case, I was gagged shortly
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after my lawyers forced the FBI to admit that they had never actually inspected the computer servers at
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the Democratic National Committee. And they had left the representations regarding a Russian hack to a
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third party called crowd strikes. At that point, it became crucial that I be silenced. The judge
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silenced me, but not only gagged me, gagged every member of my family, that would be my wife, my son,
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my daughter, my grandchildren, also gagged my supporters, which seems to me to be overly broad.
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My supporters in this case would have counted Tucker Carlson, who talked about my case quite a bit
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on the air, as well as Alex Jones. Now, the judge's reasoning, which is without basis, is that if I
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were allowed to speak, if I were allowed to give media interviews, or more precisely, if I were allowed
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to post on my then relatively meager social media, that I might taint the D.C. jury.
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What about the Washington Post and CNN, probably the two most popular and dominant news outlets
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in D.C., maybe MSNBC as well? How about their constant false attacks on me? Did they in any way
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perhaps taint the jury pool? But you see, that doesn't matter. You see the same thing going on
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in New York. Michael Cohn and Stormy Daniels are allowed to publicly bash Donald Trump, but Donald Trump
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is not allowed to publicly respond. So I think it is egregious, but look at what they did in my case.
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I immediately challenged the constitutionality of the gag order in my case. I filed a writ of mandamus
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with the D.C. appeals court. The appeals court sat on that for 16 months, doing nothing, all the while
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I was sustaining damage from MSNBC and CNN. I was called a Russian spy. I was called a Russian trader.
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I was called a Russian intelligence asset. Of course, no evidence to that effect ever was ever
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presented. Beyond that, I was told that they insisted I was the cutout between WikiLeaks and
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the Russians or WikiLeaks and the Trump campaign. They implied this over and over again. That wasn't
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true either. They produced no evidence of that. But then, just before the trial, the Court of Appeals
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ruled that my motion, which they sat on for 16 months, was not ripe for a decision because I had not
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yet first asked the trial judge, Judge Amy Berman Jackson, to remove the gag order that she herself
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had placed on me, which, of course, she would never have done. So Trump has challenged these gag
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orders. The good news is that as a former president of the United States, it gets more attention. I think
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he will get a higher priority. The gag orders are unconstitutional. They have never been adequately
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challenged. The idea that Trump can't speak because it would taint the jury pool. The jury pool is now
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already selected and presumably sequestered. So I don't see why Trump can't speak. But remember,
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in my case, this is the worst part. I was gagged before my trial to make it difficult for me to
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raise money for my legal defense fund, which is at stonedefensefund.com. I was gagged during the
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trial, so I could not respond in real time to the various misrepresentations, particularly in the
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New York Times. They obviously didn't cover the same trial that I was at. And then lastly, I was gagged
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after being convicted and prior to sentencing. In fact, the gag would have remained in place
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after sentencing, right up until the time that I had to turn myself over to a dank Georgia prison,
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where I guess I was supposed to die. So obviously, people are very afraid of what I have to say.
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This is an outrageous misprison of the law, perversion of the law. But it's exactly what
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President Trump is now going through. Well, and last question on this, Roger, because I think most
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people look at this and they say, well, you went through yours in D.C. and we know what the jury was
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like there. President Trump's going through his situation in New York, obviously. We know what the
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situation is there. What do you think should happen? Because it seems to me that if they move the trial
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to a red state, all the Democrats would immediately say, oh, it's not fair because these are Trump
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supporters. Yet, when it's a jury full of people who are even leaving the jury because they have
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conflicts of interest, and like you're talking about, they worked or had a close relationship with
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Chris Christie? I mean, one of the most anti-Trump people that challenged him in the primary. How
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does that person get on the jury? And what do you think should be done here? Should they move the
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trial? You obviously said that won't happen. Is there a way out of this?
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Well, what they should do, of course, is to dismiss the charges. There is no underlying crime here.
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Jonathan Turley, in that opening bite, said it better than anyone I've seen, which is to say
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there is no crime here. In other words, they are claiming that Trump covered up a federal crime,
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yet the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District of New York and the Federal Election
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Commission both investigated these transactions and determined no crime. The other thing I find
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interesting, Troy, is that the man who gave the opening statement yesterday was not a local New York
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prosecutor. It was a man named Michael D'Angelo. This gentleman is out of the Biden Justice Department.
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So, in other words, he worked at the Biden DOJ. Now, suddenly, he works at the Manhattan District
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Attorney's Office, and he was the lead prosecutor with yesterday's opening statement. Does that mean
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that there was nobody in the district attorney's office competent to make that argument? And also,
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it raises the serious question about whether there is a racketeering conspiracy that involves D.A.
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Alvin Bragg, whether it involves Attorney General Letitia James, whether it involves Mr.
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D'Angelo, whether it involves Fannie Wills in Atlanta, whether it involves Jack Smith, whether it involves
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Nathan Wade. Because every one of these people has visited the White House. Every one of them has met
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with the White House Legal Counsel. Every one of them has met with the Department of Justice.
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So, what you see here is a coordinating racketeering conspiracy to prosecute Donald Trump. Now, you might ask,
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why don't Trump's lawyers bring an action, bring a civil RICO action? I think the answer for that is
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that the last time the president filed an excellent civil lawsuit in Miami, which was a very detailed and
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well-put-together compendium of documentation of the Russian collusion hoax and the abuse of power,
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including the falsity of the Steele dossier, the lack of any evidence that there really was a hack at
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the DNC, the various false claims regarding the Alpha Bank, which was a Russian bank that allegedly but
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did not, in fact, have a computer terminal in Trump Tower. When that was all put together and filed in
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court in Miami, the judge, a Clinton appointee, not only dismissed the case, but then sanctioned
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all of the lawyers who filed it, seeking to fine them millions of dollars for simply availing themselves
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to the court process. So, you can see why the president's lawyers are hesitant to file what,
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in fact, could be an exceedingly strong civil RICO case. I'm not a lawyer, but lawyers I do respect
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say this should be filed in Florida, filed as a related case to the documents case in front of Judge
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Cannon. What do you think of that idea? Well, I think, Roger, you know, when you're looking at
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what's going on in the Trump trial, I mean, you're exactly right. They should just take the entire thing,
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and they should throw it out. But the idea that we are even going through this process, I think,
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for most Americans, it just goes right over their head. It's just, it's a lot of, it's a lot of procedural
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BS. And the idea that the president could launch a lawsuit in Miami that is, you know, clean, that's
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talking about the Russian collusion host, which I would add, Roger, the Mueller investigation yielded no
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evidence of Russian collusion. And the Durham report actually revealed that the entire thing
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was a setup on behalf of the intelligence agencies who, by the Durham report's own admission, were
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working in a political aspect to have an effect on the election. So the idea that they would put
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something forward in Miami, that it would be rejected regarding the Russian collusion hoax, which
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has now been confirmed a complete hoax by the Durham report and others, it speaks to the nature of what
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they're doing right now, Roger. You know, it's, hey, we're going to attack you every way we can in
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every jurisdiction that we can. And even if you respond, even if it's truthful, even if our own people
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in the Justice Department confirm what you say, it doesn't matter. And I think that's exactly why it took
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five years to get the Durham report, because they knew that in the midst of all of this going on,
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they needed the the lie, the myth of Russian collusion hoax in order to incite many Americans
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against the former president. And that's why, you know, it took so long to release this report. It's
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why Trump's any response that he files gets laughed at. And you're saying they sanctioned every lawyer
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involved. I mean, this is this is a level of persecution, political witch hunt that we haven't
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seen, I don't think in this country ever. And I think, like I said, most people, they hear these
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motions and everything. And they say, guys, we have a presidential candidate here. This is what it boils
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down to in my mind, Roger, you have a presidential candidate that a based on the polling that a majority
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of Americans support. And you have a president and incumbent who is the most, if not one of
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the two most unpopular presidents in the history of the United States. It seems to me, the people
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protecting that presidency, the people that are doing everything in their power to to protect Joe
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Biden and his administration, they are willing to really violate any aspect of the law, they're
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willing to pervert any aspect of the law in order to achieve what they want, which is protecting Biden,
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and which is protecting really what Biden represents, which is the political aspirations of the elites
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in this country that have bankrupted us, sold our jobs. They've allowed fentanyl into the country,
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killing millions of people, they've allowed drugs into the country, leaving millions of Americans
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addicted and without hope. You know, Roger, it's a it's a it's a travesty what's happening to Trump.
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And I think, really, what I what I come back to if I said, Okay, here's your strategy. Trump's strategy
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all along, I believe, has been to fight injustice. He's been doing that across the board in every
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single one of these courtrooms. And as long as he is continuing to attack the lies attack the
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misinformation to the extent that he can, and that the legal system doesn't tie his hands behind his back,
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I think that's the important thing here. I think most people would have folded Roger. I think most
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people even in your situation, you know, comparing the two, they're so similar. Most people in your
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situation, or Trump's situation would have folded, but you guys are strong, and you believe in fighting
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for what is true. And if, as long as the President continues to fight, as long as he continues to
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get back up after they knock him down, and they attempt to gag him and lynch him in the media,
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I think we're going to have a good situation here. Because ultimately, Roger, they can't,
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they can't launch lawsuits enough to get people distracted by the fact that their gasoline bill
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has at least doubled since Biden got into office, or that their grocery bill has at least doubled
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since Biden got into office, or that their energy bill has doubled, or that their insurance has gone up.
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They can use these lawfare tactics to try to discredit Trump, attack him. But at the end of the day,
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it's not, it's not the President's, you know, legal, the people attacking him legally that are going to
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be the deciding factor in this election. It's going to be the failures of the Biden administration,
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and people contrasting that with the successes that we had during the first Trump administration.
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Very good point. Look, it's interesting that on the left, it doesn't matter how completely
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discredited, debunked, or completely disproven any of their claims are, they'll always come back
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and recycle it. For example, Andrew Weissman, the former Mueller prosecutor, Adam Schiff, they continue
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to insist that Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's campaign manager, gave proprietary campaign polling
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information to a man named Konstantin Kalimnik, who was most definitely a Russian asset,
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and who passed that information on to Vladimir Putin. There's a couple problems with that. First of all,
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if you ask Manafort and pollster Tony Fabrizio, at the time that this polling was allegedly given
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from Manafort to Kalimnik, there was no proprietary polling. The Trump campaign had not gone into the
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field yet and taken any of their own surveys. There was public information, but that could be found
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in the media and on the internet. So it's possible Manafort shared that with Kalimnik. But secondarily,
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as the independent journalist Matt Taibbi, I think, has pretty definitively proven,
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this gentleman Konstantin Kalimnik was not not only not a Russian asset, but he was a U.S. intelligence
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asset. In fact, he was keeping the American embassy in Kyiv up to date on what was going on in the
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country. So once again, they recycle the same lie over and over again. Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian
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woman lawyer in Trump Tower, and she offered the campaign help, and they accepted the help. I'm paraphrasing
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the odious Adam Schiff. None of that is true. The woman in question appears to be working for Fusion GPS,
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the outfit that put together the Steele dossier. She was briefed prior to her meeting with Donald Trump Jr.
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and others. She was debriefed afterwards. She imparted no information of value. The meeting was
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a waste of time, and there was nothing illegal or illicit about it. But those are perfect examples
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of the two instances that are constantly cited as the proof of the Russian collusion in Donald Trump's
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campaign. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, Roger, we have a quick video, and you're exactly right.
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There's a two-tiered system when it comes to this stuff, and there's also a two-tiered system when
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it comes to, I think, race in this country. And this is mainly pushed by the left. They love racial
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division. They love to, if you're white, basically you're not allowed to do anything. And if you're black,
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it seems that you get a pass for most things, especially when it comes to, let's just compare
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two situations, Roger, Jeffrey Epstein and Puff Daddy. Puff Daddy's charged with basically the exact
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same thing that Jeffrey Epstein is charged with. And yet we see people that were his associates,
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people that were at his parties, these leftist politicians and musicians and athletes,
00:26:38.460
all these people that were very close with Puff Daddy, posted pictures with him, were at his house,
00:26:43.820
where they allege a lot of this stuff was going on. They've received no consequences. And a prime
00:26:48.460
example of this, Roger, is John Legend, who over the weekend appeared on Jen Psaki's MSNBC show to trash
00:26:55.820
Donald Trump and to say, oh, he hasn't been given the exact same, he's been given more rights than
00:27:02.460
everybody else in his pre-trial stuff. He's been, Trump has actually been given, they've actually
00:27:07.900
said this now, Roger, Trump has been given preferential treatment. John Legend has the
00:27:13.580
balls to sit up there and say this on MSNBC, when he was friends with Puff Daddy, posted pictures of
00:27:19.420
himself with Puff Daddy at his house. And as yet, no one's questioned it. In fact, he's still on The Voice,
00:27:25.100
one of the most popular shows in America. So, this guy gets to be friends with a child trafficker,
00:27:30.860
this guy gets to pal around with all the liberals, and no, it's not him that gets preferential
00:27:36.300
treatment, it's Donald Trump. Let's roll that clip of John Legend trashing Donald Trump on MSNBC
00:27:42.700
over the weekend. Well, he is a part of a two-tier system of justice, but not in the way that he thinks
00:27:47.660
he is. Um, he is getting way more concessions than the average criminal, uh, defendant would get.
00:27:55.260
He's getting, uh, delays. He's got, uh, uh, access to all kinds of lawyers that are filing this and
00:28:01.420
filing that, delaying every trial. And, uh, most people don't have access to that kind of lawyering,
00:28:08.860
don't have access to the kind of concessions that the justice system will provide to you if you can afford it.
00:28:14.780
Uh, this is ludicrous, of course. Uh, first of all, uh, shall we point out that Donald Trump,
00:28:21.980
uh, is being charged with retaining control of classified and top secret records, which I believe
00:28:29.500
under the Presidential Records Act, he was most entitled to have. There's a federal court decision,
00:28:35.980
uh, by Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who was actually ironically the judge in my case, uh, in which she
00:28:42.220
ruled that former President Bill Clinton could do anything with his, uh, documents post-presidency
00:28:48.140
that he wanted, including keeping some of them in his sock drawer at home. Uh, Joe Biden,
00:28:54.780
on the other hand, according to a special counsel's report, uh, willfully retained classified and top
00:29:02.940
secret documents in violation of the law, but he's being given a pass. He is not being prosecuted,
00:29:10.140
uh, because of his age. So is that the two-tiered justice system that Mr. Legend is speaking about?
00:29:19.100
Or, of course, Hillary Clinton, who lied under oath before Congress. Uh, James Comey,
00:29:24.540
the FBI director, who lied at least 138 times under oath before Congress regarding material things. CIA
00:29:31.580
Director Brennan, who lied to Congress multiple times, but specifically about his surveillance of
00:29:38.380
a Senate committee that was looking into illegal torture, uh, by the CIA under John Brennan. But he
00:29:44.860
was not prosecuted. Uh, General James Clapper, he insisted under oath, uh, that we had no metadata
00:29:53.020
collection program on American citizens until Edward Snowden revealed that that was a lie. But General
00:29:59.900
Clapper was not prosecuted. I think that is, uh, the two-tiered justice system, uh, that Mr.
00:30:07.020
Legend speaks of. Uh, we're going to go to a quick, uh, commercial break. And when we come back,
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Derek Evans, uh, America first candidate for the Congress in West Virginia will join us. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back, folks. If you're just tuning in, I'm Roger Stone. And yes, this
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is the Stone Zone. I'm here with my sidekick, Troy Smith, the editor in chief of Slingshot.News.
00:32:48.860
Joining us now is congressional candidate Derek Evans. He is a January 6th veteran. We're going
00:32:56.860
to roll this television spot as a way of bringing him in.
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I'm Derek Evans. And on January 6th, I stood with President Trump to peacefully and patriotically
00:33:09.580
protest the stolen election. Then the same weaponized deep state going after President
00:33:13.420
Trump came to my home, ripped me away from my wife and my four young children and held me hostage as a
00:33:17.820
January 6th political prisoner. But I'm not giving up. I'm running with President Trump to help him drain
00:33:22.540
the swamp once and for all. I'm endorsed by Trump warriors such as Roger Stone, Mike Lindell,
00:33:27.020
General Flynn, and Veterans for Trump. On May 14th, vote MAGA, vote Derek Evans for Congress.
00:33:33.500
Tranny surgeries, late-term abortions, LGBTQ housing. Carol Miller voted for all of that,
00:33:38.540
plus cold-killing Green New Deal laws, gun-grabbing red flag gun laws targeting veterans
00:33:42.780
and expanded Medicaid funding for abortion under Obamacare. When Biden weaponized the DOJ against
00:33:47.820
Trump, Carol Miller was silent. Drain the swamp. Fire Carol Miller. Go to corruptcarol.com. Vote
00:33:53.900
MAGA. Vote Derek Evans. May 14th. Vote pro-Trump MAGA patriot Derek Evans. I'm Derek Evans. I approve
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this message. All right. Welcome to the Stone Zone, Derek Evans. Hey, thank you so much for having
00:34:07.420
me on, man. Huge fan. Really appreciate it. I'm very proud to endorse your candidacy. And I thought
00:34:13.740
both those early pieces of media were really excellent in terms of telling people who you are.
00:34:20.940
This is a classic case in which you're challenging Carol Miller, who is a certified RINO. She recently
00:34:28.060
voted for warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens through the FISA program. We've already seen the
00:34:34.860
abuses in the program. They were weaponized against Donald Trump. She also voted for billions more for
00:34:42.700
the Ukrainian war. I think I saw her on the floor actually waving a little Ukrainian flag yesterday.
00:34:48.780
It was embarrassing. She is voted for the Green New Deal, which if I were a coal miner or in the
00:34:55.980
energy business in West Virginia, I'd be pretty unhappy about that. She's also favors Medicaid funded
00:35:03.820
abortions. And of course, red flag laws where the government can take away your legally owned
00:35:10.460
firearm if your next door neighbor doesn't like you. So this is a very important race. Derek,
00:35:17.340
tell us, first of all, a little bit about your background. Tell us about your experience on
00:35:22.460
January 6th. And then tell us about your decision to make this race.
00:35:26.460
Yeah. Well, first, I want to say that I prefer the term undocumented Democrat. I think that better
00:35:31.820
describes her. So that's what I, that's what I typically use. But yeah, look, I'm a husband and
00:35:36.940
a father. I'm married to my college sweetheart. We've been together for about 15 years. I've got
00:35:40.140
four kids. That's why I'm doing this at the end of the day. I've got two girls ages eight and six,
00:35:44.300
two boys ages four and three. And I worry about the future of this country right now after everything
00:35:49.100
I've went through. My background's in real estate. I've been flipping homes and own rental property,
00:35:54.140
doing a lot of that since about 2016, 2017, somewhere in that range. It's absolutely a
00:35:59.580
passion of mine. And so that's what I, that's kind of my day job, if you will. But right now,
00:36:05.180
my main focus is saving this country and trying to preserve and defend individual freedom and
00:36:10.300
liberty for my children and future generations in this country. And that to me is the most pressing
00:36:16.220
issue that we're dealing with right now. Well, you have some experience in local government.
00:36:23.100
You were elected to the West Virginia House of Delegates in 2020, becoming the first Republican
00:36:28.300
to win your district, which is an excellent sign for the future. Tell us about your experience of
00:36:36.380
January 6th, because if we don't cover it, people will accuse us of ignoring it.
00:36:42.220
Yeah, absolutely. So to your point, I was the first Republican to win my district in over 98 years. I
00:36:46.700
wanted a landslide victory. And I ran on an open, you know, ultra MAGA America first platform during
00:36:53.340
that time. I was very open about that. And that's why I won in such big numbers. And so when it came
00:36:58.700
time to stand with President Trump on January 6th, think about every single person across the country
00:37:04.620
who is a state representative, who ran as a MAGA America first patriot. But when it came time to stand
00:37:11.500
with President Trump against a stolen election on January 6th, I am the only elected legislator
00:37:17.420
in the entire country who had the courage to go stand, put my money where my mouth is, go stand with
00:37:22.860
President Trump and peacefully and patriotically protest the stolen election. And then two days
00:37:27.900
later, the same weaponized deep state going after President Trump came to my home, traumatized my family,
00:37:33.020
ripped me away from my wife and my four young children and held me hostage as a January 6th political
00:37:37.180
prisoner. But you know, in the grand scheme of things, I'm lucky compared to so many other
00:37:42.380
my fellow J6 Patriots who are still in prison today. They're still arresting people. They're
00:37:46.460
still throwing people in solitary confinement. I did eight days of solitary confinement for
00:37:50.860
refusing the COVID vaccine. And some of these people have been in solitary confinement for months.
00:37:54.860
It's absolute torture. It's unbelievable. This is what the Biden regime, the illegitimate
00:38:00.460
Biden regime is doing to the American people right now. And I really want to use my personal
00:38:06.140
experience of what I went through and take that to Congress and hopefully sit on the
00:38:10.860
weaponization of government committee and actually start holding these people accountable and try to
00:38:14.700
prevent this from happening to other people. Because what they did to me, they are going to do it
00:38:18.700
to everyone when they get the opportunity to do so. I could not agree with that more,
00:38:24.300
given my own experiences. Troy, do you have a question for the next congressman from West Virginia?
00:38:30.060
Absolutely. Energy is such a key issue in West Virginia. And really, there's been no president
00:38:37.340
who has done more for American energy than President Trump. Can you talk about the difference
00:38:41.900
between his policies and the rhinos before him and Carol Miller, how he's really made the stand
00:38:46.620
there in West Virginia? I bet people respect him for that. Listen, I know that President Trump
00:38:51.100
understands that he's loved in West Virginia based on the votes, but I don't think he truly understands how
00:38:56.700
much he is loved by the people of West Virginia, if that makes sense. I mean,
00:39:00.380
people here absolutely love President Trump because of his policies and because he actually
00:39:04.860
stands up and speaks out for us. I'll say this. Obama started all of this. Everything we're
00:39:10.460
experiencing in this country right now started with a fake birth certificate from Hawaii. We have to
00:39:13.820
remember that. And so Obama, he actually kept his campaign promise, which I wish he wouldn't have,
00:39:20.220
but he came here and said he was going to destroy the coal industry. He did exactly that. We're
00:39:23.980
experiencing Obama's third term right now on day one. Biden shut down the Keystone pipeline,
00:39:28.860
which affected us. This is affecting the entire country right now. It's part of the reason
00:39:33.180
inflation is through the roof as American energy is being held down right now by all these regulations.
00:39:40.700
I believe that we need to get President Trump back in office for many reasons, but one of those
00:39:44.940
reasons is to unleash American energy, roll back the red tape, roll back the regulations,
00:39:49.100
and get our economy and our American energy back on back on track in unison.
00:39:56.300
Folks, you have a real opportunity here because Derek is running against a Republican, perhaps a
00:40:02.780
Republican in name only, who just voted for the extension of the FISA program, which means,
00:40:09.420
as we know, warrantless searches of U.S. citizens. She voted for billions more just the other day
00:40:16.380
to fund the foreign war in Ukraine, yet nothing is done about our own dangerous southern border.
00:40:24.620
She's a supporter of red flag laws, therefore an opponent of the Second Amendment. So here's an
00:40:30.700
example of where you can make a real difference. I would urge you, let's put that up if we may.
00:40:37.260
Derek, where can people go to send you a badly needed contribution? Because
00:40:41.180
running for Congress is an extraordinarily expensive exercise, and I can guarantee you that Derek Evans
00:40:48.060
does not have any big special interests or any wealthy billionaires bankrolling his campaign.
00:40:54.540
He has to count on small and medium-sized donors like you and I and everybody out there listening
00:41:00.220
to the Stone Zone. So, Derek, tell folks how they can help you.
00:41:04.860
Yeah, thank you. You can go to our website. It's evans4wv.com, evans4wv.com. And to your point,
00:41:11.340
we've raised over $700,000 for this campaign with over 10,000 donors. Not a single dollar
00:41:16.540
is from a PAC or a special interest group. It is 100% is from everyday Americans, the blue collar,
00:41:22.780
the backbone of this country, who's chipping in $5, $10, $15, $20. That is why we're able to do this.
00:41:28.460
And I tell everyone, this is not my campaign. It's truly not. This is a campaign
00:41:32.540
of the American people. If you've ever, and I mean, if you've ever wanted to send a message to the
00:41:37.020
deep state, here's your opportunity to do so. You can help elect a former January 6th political
00:41:41.820
prisoner who's going to go to DC, kick in the front door, and expose the corruption.
00:41:50.940
All right. I'm afraid we have to leave it there, folks. This is one of the most important races in
00:41:56.220
the country. I do not just hand out endorsements. I literally amassed by hundreds of candidates at
00:42:04.220
all levels, Congress, the Senate, state legislature, county commission for endorsements. Frankly,
00:42:11.340
it dilutes it. I really only publicly endorse and support people who I really believe in.
00:42:17.740
Derek Evans, there's nothing in this for me. I'm not compensated in any way. I'm for Derek Evans
00:42:24.620
because he is an outstanding American patriot. He has a unique opportunity to win a seat for the
00:42:32.060
good guys, and he needs your help to do it. So one more time, Derek, tell us that email address
00:42:39.100
so folks can send you a few bucks. Yeah, absolutely. First, I want to say thank you so much for the
00:42:44.060
endorsement for believing in me, man. It really does mean a lot, and I will say this. It was
00:42:48.060
definitely one of the most grueling endorsement processes there was, and I appreciate that,
00:42:53.900
actually. He's not lying when he says that he is very strict and takes it very serious,
00:42:58.380
and I really appreciate that. You can go to our website. It's evans4wv.com, evans4wv.com. Go over,
00:43:06.780
like I said, throw in five, 10, 15 bucks, and help us out. In doing so, send a message to the
00:43:11.660
deep state that we're sick and tired of this. We have too many politicians in politics. We need
00:43:15.820
more patriots involved in politics, and the way we get there is helping just get a few people in the
00:43:20.780
door, and then I'll help bring some others along with us. So thank you guys so much.
00:43:25.740
All right, folks. There you have it. Derek Evans for Congress in West Virginia. Get on board.
00:43:30.860
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Is there any regrets that you have in life? I should sit here and say, yeah, I got a lot of,
00:44:55.900
yeah, I got a lot of regrets. But when I look back on my life, and I understand the lives that were lost,
00:45:05.100
I mean, I'm sitting here with you. And I can tell my story.
00:45:10.140
He was one of the most respected generals in the military.
00:45:18.700
He was, by definition, the most dangerous possible person for Donald Trump to hire.
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He was a brilliant military career serving 33 years. Why was he being so elusive?
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Mike Flynn told the truth and faced life in prison.
00:45:54.380
Welcome back, folks. I'm Roger Stone, and this is The Stone Zone. I'll remind you, you can see us at
00:46:01.740
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and important, vital, conservative, and alternative programming anywhere on the internet. So check out
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Patriot.TV. Joining us now to talk some more politics is Jim Pfaff. He's the president of the
00:46:41.740
Conservative Caucus, and he joins us in The Stone Zone now.
00:46:48.060
Thank you for having me, Roger. Glad to be here.
00:46:51.100
Wow, the Conservative Caucus. This takes me all the way back to Howard Phillips. This is a little
00:46:56.380
known fact, but in the Nixon administration in 1972, after the reelection, Don Rumsfeld was moved from
00:47:07.740
the Office of Economic Opportunity over to the White House. And Howard Phillips, who had been active in
00:47:15.820
Republican and conservative politics, a Harvard graduate, a true conservative, one of the founders
00:47:21.580
of Young Americans for Freedom, was sent over to the Office of Economic Opportunity to try to get a
00:47:27.740
handle on the left-wing activism that was being paid for by taxpayers. I went over there with him
00:47:35.100
for a six-month stint, and that's all I ever needed of government service. I never wanted to work for
00:47:41.740
the government again. Then he went out, as you know, and founded the Conservative Caucus, one of America's
00:47:51.100
strongest, most vibrant, and most active grassroots conservative organizations then and now. So, Jim,
00:47:58.780
tell us what you are up to. What are your priorities in this, the final battle for the soul and future of
00:48:06.620
America? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's what Howard was all about, as you know so well. When I was a young
00:48:13.660
man, first getting involved in politics, actually I was involved in college in 1984 with the founding of
00:48:22.620
an organization called Students for America, and Ralph Reed had started that organization. I was at a
00:48:29.100
conference in Powhatan, Virginia, as one of the many people on college campuses that was going to get
00:48:35.420
involved. So, we had all of the rock stars in the conservative movement come there, Paul Weyrich,
00:48:41.900
Morton Blackwell, who, by the way, I interned for Mort for a couple weeks at that time. Howard Phillips was there,
00:48:47.580
too. Now, I never got to really know Howard, but I can tell you that as a young conservative,
00:48:54.300
someone who believed in the Constitution in America, Howard was, to me, a rock star. And anyone
00:49:00.780
that knows anything about him knows this man understood the Constitution. He was willing to
00:49:08.300
fight tooth and nail for American freedom. He believed in this country and what we were about.
00:49:14.060
So, what we're going to do here, and when I came on board with this, I was determined that we want to
00:49:19.420
keep all of the fantastic things that happened with the conservative caucus under his leadership
00:49:26.220
and keep this, because some of those basics of grassroots politics are still useful today,
00:49:31.580
but then bring it into the 21st century as well, where we can utilize some of the new types of
00:49:37.340
platforms that we have. My biggest frustration with the Republican movement, with the conservative
00:49:43.420
movement, is so often we really suck at grassroots politics, which is not, we're about to have an
00:49:48.700
election. Let's have a bunch of people go to doors and knock on them and tell them to do whatever. That
00:49:53.580
sounds great. That's not grassroots politics. Grassroots politics is about identifying who your
00:49:58.700
voters are and then actually taking steps to make sure that every one of them come out to the polls.
00:50:04.460
So, we're going to transform grassroots politics in America, because Republicans and conservatives,
00:50:09.580
frankly, there are some good efforts, but most of them really suck at it. So, we're going to change that.
00:50:16.060
Look, I think that is a noble pursuit. I mean, the Republican National Committee
00:50:22.380
literally raised tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars to address the question of election
00:50:28.140
integrity. It's becoming abundantly clear that under chairwoman Ronna Romney McDaniel,
00:50:35.820
no efforts whatsoever were made. So, now the Republicans and the Trump campaign, unfortunately,
00:50:41.820
must play catch-up ball. There are a number of legal and technical things that can be done to ensure
00:50:50.140
that the next election is much freer, fairer, more transparent, and more honest. Interestingly enough,
00:50:58.620
there was no effort to go into the state legislatures where the Democrats changed the laws using COVID-19
00:51:06.620
as their rationale back to the way the election laws were previously. Therefore, you still have
00:51:13.260
mail-in ballots, which even Bill Barr, as Attorney General, said on CNN with Wolf Blitzer, was an open
00:51:20.300
invitation for voter fraud. Then he subsequently said there was no voter fraud. All right, Bill Barr.
00:51:27.980
You also have the issue of drop boxes, which is only, I believe, been amended in Wisconsin,
00:51:36.140
but the laws by and large are the same in Georgia, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin,
00:51:46.780
the key states where this election is going to be decided. Now, in all fairness, in Pennsylvania,
00:51:53.740
there was an honest legal effort to do away with mail-in ballots. Mail-in balloting is clearly,
00:52:00.860
mail-in voting is clearly unconstitutional, but the Republican National Committee didn't
00:52:05.980
do that. Local conservative activists had to raise the money for that legal challenge.
00:52:10.940
It was successful in the lower courts. It was upheld in the middle courts, only to be overturned.
00:52:17.420
In other words, mail-in voting was restored by Pennsylvania's extremely liberal and left-wing
00:52:24.780
activist Supreme Court. And therefore, as a hard-bitten veteran of American politics,
00:52:32.620
I have to wonder whether, as long as there are paper ballots in the hands of the Philadelphia
00:52:38.700
Democratic machine, I wonder whether we could ever have a free, fair, and honest election in the
00:52:44.620
Keystone State. Your thoughts, Jim? Yeah, no, I agree with you 100%. Listen, we have to understand how
00:52:52.700
elections actually work. You know this very well. I mean, it's one of the great things about your
00:52:58.220
history and your expertise. But those of us who have been fighting in this know that the way elections
00:53:04.140
work is that they are run by the people, not even really by the government at all. Like the secretaries
00:53:11.740
of state as well, and Pennsylvania is a good example of it, are really trying to twist the outcome of
00:53:18.780
elections utilizing their political power. The purpose of a secretary of state, or whatever the
00:53:25.420
election entity is in that state does, is to make sure that the people running the elections, which are
00:53:33.740
the volunteers, that they know how to handle it and that they are free to monitor what's going on. I was
00:53:42.780
disturbed in 2020 when I saw in Detroit, Michigan, in their main vote counting area, that all the
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Republicans were kicked out from watching those votes. That kind of thing cannot happen. You secure
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an election through the volunteer efforts of the people who run them, because this country is of the
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people. It's not of the government entities. But we've seen a real assault on that security for
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understanding that our elections are good, really taking place in recent years. And by the way,
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as it comes to Pennsylvania, the way that they changed their laws in 2020, and it mostly maintains
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itself to this day, was by a court order of their state Supreme Court in violation of Article 2,
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Section 1, Clause 2 of the Constitution, where the legislatures set how the electors are chosen.
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So we've got a lot of battles like this to fight, and it takes a large grassroots effort
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to do that. And then it takes the heft of an organization to put light on these things and
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make sure that we don't keep going down this path. We have a serious concern in 2024 about where this is
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going to go because of things like you said. And so our goal is to go out there and stop it while we're
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also putting together a massive campaign to support Donald Trump to get reelected.
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All right. So we have about three minutes. Troy, do you have a final question for our friend Jim
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Pfaff with the Conservative Caucus? Absolutely. It's my observation that the
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Democrats are much better at playing the getting at the vote campaign than we are, and you pointed
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that out. One of the instances in this is that the Democrats have a meeting that's supposed to be
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for gay voters that they're trying to reach. They make it a gay LGBTQ event, but not a Democrat
00:55:31.820
event. They do a women's event, but they don't make it a Democrat women's event. And I don't see
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this on the Republican side. How do you feel about that? And do you think that there could be stronger
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outreach on the lower levels of the Republicans to try to reach people who aren't necessarily already
00:55:45.660
Republicans? Well, this is what Democrats do really well. Actually, and Roger, you're probably
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familiar with the book. There's a now famous book in political circles called The Blueprint. It was
00:55:56.140
written about Colorado and the efforts of Democrats to take that over. I actually ran a campaign that
00:56:03.100
defeated the blueprint in Colorado. I ran the marriage amendment effort in 2006. I was working
00:56:08.940
for Focus on the Family at the time. We did the things that you're talking about to get voters
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out. We identified where they were and we put together a grassroots team of hundreds of people
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to win that. That's how you win it. But the guy I opposed there, I actually happened to know him and
00:56:26.140
we respect one another because I kicked his butt that year. He's the guy that designed the very
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thing that you're describing. They don't go out and talk about party. They talk about issues. They talk to
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people about where they're at. Another area where Republicans really suck is outreach into the Latin
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American community, Hispanics, and so forth. In fact, you recently, Roger, had my very good friend Alan
00:56:50.220
Dos Santos on your show. I've talked to him about this and others as well. Why are we not reaching out
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well in these communities? People just don't do it. They crave to hear what matters to them. Real
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politics gets that done at that level without always having to talk about party or whatever.
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We talk about issues and principles and concepts. Very, very well put. All right,
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we're going to have to move towards the exit. I want to thank Jim Pfaff from the Conservative Caucus.
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Jim, if folks want to sign up with the Conservative Caucus, where can they go?
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They can go to the conservativecaucus.org. If they'd like to contribute to what we're doing,
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the conservativecaucus.org forward slash donate. Get on board. We're building a grassroots network,
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and we've got a grassroots portal there that people can sign up to and get involved.
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Great. Many thanks. I want to thank Jim Pfaff for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
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