The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - August 02, 2025


Tulsi Gabbard ｜ 08-01-25

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Russian collusion election security whistleblower
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Roger Stone Troy Smith Jake Novak
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Robert Mueller Donald Trump James Clapper John Brennan Steele Sam Harris Barack Obama Robert F. Kennedy Andrew Weissman John Durham Susan Rice Tom Cotton Paulina Luna Martin Luther King Jonathan Kravis Hillary Clinton John Ratcliffe Chuck Schumer Rachel Maddow James Comey and 7 more
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Director of the Office of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, joins me on The Stone Zone to discuss her journey to becoming the first woman to serve as Director of the ONI. She also discusses her experience as a four-term congresswoman from Hawaii s 2nd congressional district, her experience in the military, and her work as a whistleblower.

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00:00:00.400 The Stone Zone on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:05.260 Welcome back into The Stone Zone.
00:00:08.160 Joining us now is the Director of the Office of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.
00:00:14.980 Now, if you are a listener to The Stone Zone, you know that I have been a fan of Tulsi Gabbard
00:00:20.700 since I saw her demolish Senator Kamala Harris, then Senator Kamala Harris, 1.00
00:00:25.340 over the latter's record on criminal justice, because as a prosecutor,
00:00:30.900 Kamala Harris put thousands of people in prison for the nonviolent first-time crime
00:00:37.740 of possession of small amounts of drugs, which I think is wrong.
00:00:42.560 And the toughness that Tulsi Gabbard displayed in that presidential debate caught my attention.
00:00:48.520 And it is no secret that I am among those who urged her to support President Trump,
00:00:52.860 that I later among those who urged her to become a Republican,
00:00:56.920 and that I have predicted, this is not a secret,
00:00:59.400 that I believe that she will someday be our first woman president.
00:01:02.720 Not necessarily in 2028, but very definitely someday.
00:01:06.720 So now that I'm finished gushing like a fanboy, Tulsi Gabbard, welcome to The Stone Zone.
00:01:12.880 Aloha, Roger. Thank you very much for having me on your show.
00:01:15.940 I'm very happy to have you. You have an amazing career.
00:01:18.660 People may not know that you were the youngest person ever elected to the Hawaii State Legislature,
00:01:24.120 that you today hold the rank of Lieutenant Colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve,
00:01:29.100 that you served in a combat zone in Iraq with the Army National Guard.
00:01:33.820 You, of course, were a four-term Democrat congresswoman from Hawaii's 2nd District.
00:01:38.460 But now I think you are providing your greatest public service yet.
00:01:43.020 that you have single-handedly exposed that the Russian collusion hoax was exactly that,
00:01:50.820 nothing less than a seditious conspiracy to overturn the election and remove a duly elected president.
00:02:00.240 And you have come with the receipts proving that President Barack Obama,
00:02:05.000 Vice President Joe Biden, FBI Director James Comey,
00:02:08.720 National Security Advisor James Clapper,
00:02:13.220 the Director of National Intelligence James Clapper,
00:02:16.880 National Security Advisor Susan Rice,
00:02:19.140 and many others, including Robert Mueller,
00:02:21.520 engaged in a fabricated hoax to frame Donald Trump as an asset of the Russians.
00:02:28.280 I guess my question is, since you have had the courage to make all of this information public,
00:02:36.640 and this is not supposition, this is not investigative journalism,
00:02:40.000 these are not theories,
00:02:41.200 you have brought hard receipts to prove everything you have said,
00:02:45.400 have there been any credible threats against you for going after these high-level individuals,
00:02:50.340 such as President Obama?
00:02:53.400 Roger, that's a good question.
00:02:55.480 I do have a security detail that is assigned to me,
00:03:00.360 given the role and responsibilities that I carry as Director of National Intelligence.
00:03:05.660 I also know that they don't tell me about every single threat that comes in.
00:03:11.160 What I am told is there is an almost constant stream,
00:03:15.200 so they fill a very challenging, but obviously an important role that I'm grateful for.
00:03:21.280 Now, I saw this morning that a whistleblower from the intelligence community came forward to you
00:03:27.860 to expose that they fought for six years to uncover the Russiagate hoax.
00:03:32.780 They went to every person they could, exhausted every avenue within the system,
00:03:37.520 and they were consistently stonewalled.
00:03:39.380 In fact, they were told if they wanted a promotion,
00:03:41.580 they would keep their mouth shut and go along with the false narrative.
00:03:45.440 Why do you believe that nobody in positions of power would listen to this voice of reason,
00:03:50.320 and does it show systematic problems within every level of the federal bureaucracy?
00:03:55.900 You know, Roger, the two drivers and motivations that I can think of when I ask these questions of myself,
00:04:01.560 why is it that after through so many years of this courageous whistleblower coming forward,
00:04:08.400 did nobody heed his call?
00:04:10.600 Did nobody say, thank you for bringing forward the truth?
00:04:13.460 We will now take action to expose the truth and bring accountability.
00:04:17.260 And two motivations come to mind, and one is connected to your first question about threats.
00:04:22.140 There is a level of fear that exists.
00:04:24.280 When you have people like Chuck Schumer, you will remember in, I believe,
00:04:29.260 either December of 2016 or January 2017, issued a warning on Rachel Maddow's show, 0.98
00:04:37.160 and I'm just pulling this up here, where he said that President Trump was being really dumb 0.78
00:04:47.140 by taking on the intelligence community. 0.98
00:04:50.400 Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community.
00:04:53.420 They have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.
00:04:57.560 This was said in January of 2017.
00:05:00.360 If you read the New York Times op-ed written by John Brennan and James Clapper that was published two days ago,
00:05:08.920 one of the first lines that they have in the first paragraph is,
00:05:12.620 we want to set the record straight, and in doing so, sound a warning.
00:05:17.040 There's a lot of fear.
00:05:18.540 We have other whistleblowers who are coming forward.
00:05:21.060 One was debriefed just the other day, and this intelligence community professional with decades of service under his belt
00:05:29.900 was visibly shaking and emotional, filled with fear and anxiety and nervousness about coming forward
00:05:37.860 and telling the truth about these very same powerful people that we exposed in our documents
00:05:43.720 and their complicity in this conspiracy to delegitimize President Trump and his election in 2016,
00:05:52.640 therefore subvert the will of the American people,
00:05:55.320 and enact what can only be described as a years-long coup against the duly elected President of the United States.
00:06:03.160 Well, I, of course, have lived this myself.
00:06:05.920 After I was pardoned, Robert Mueller, or more precisely Andrew Weissman,
00:06:10.160 ghostwriting for Robert Mueller,
00:06:13.060 said in an op-ed in the Washington Post that I had been in regular contact with multiple Russian intelligence assets,
00:06:19.520 when in fact there was no evidence in my trial that I was in touch with any Russian assets.
00:06:23.980 To violate the False Statements Act, your statement must be willful.
00:06:28.340 It also must be material.
00:06:30.120 So while it's true that I made misstatements in my voluntary testimony for the House Intelligence Committee,
00:06:36.520 none of them hid any underlying crime.
00:06:38.740 Very specifically, none of them hid the crime of Russian collusion or any collaboration with WikiLeaks.
00:06:45.740 Not until BuzzFeed sued the U.S. Justice Department were they forced to disgorge Robert Mueller's final report,
00:06:55.600 withheld from my defense attorneys at trial.
00:06:58.080 And on page 178, even Mueller could not sugarcoat the fact that he'd found no evidence of Russian collusion,
00:07:04.240 WikiLeaks collaboration, or any other crime on my part.
00:07:07.380 As I think it was Ray Donovan, who was the Secretary of Labor,
00:07:11.760 falsely accused of a corruption during the Reagan administration,
00:07:14.140 who said, where do I go to get my good name back?
00:07:18.080 These people take no prisoners.
00:07:20.500 That is most definitely true.
00:07:22.620 I am curious about reports that a whistleblower from the Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency
00:07:33.280 has come forward with information regarding the 2020 election
00:07:38.680 and the disposition of electronic voting machines.
00:07:43.060 Can you yet tell us the specifics of this whistleblower's revelations
00:07:47.380 and what we might expect to hear regarding election fraud, anomalies, and irregularities
00:07:52.960 in the days and months to come?
00:07:56.300 Sure.
00:07:56.820 Well, this whistleblower came forward,
00:07:58.640 and this is something that I shared with the President during one of our first Cabinet meetings,
00:08:04.080 I think it was back in March of this year,
00:08:06.620 about this whistleblower that had come forward very soon after I assumed the position of Director,
00:08:11.960 pointing out that in his previous employment at CISA,
00:08:17.140 he was quite shocked at how in the lead-up,
00:08:21.840 I think this was in 2019, in the lead-up to the 2020 election,
00:08:25.780 he saw documentation that pointed out that there were some vulnerabilities
00:08:31.100 to be concerned about within our election systems,
00:08:34.000 and that the paper, the final paper that the leadership at CISA decided to publish,
00:08:41.260 intentionally left out that vulnerability from their report.
00:08:47.400 And I think I'm right in saying that the statements around the government in 2020
00:08:53.280 were resoundingly, this was the most secure election of our lifetimes.
00:08:58.560 Am I correct in that?
00:08:59.880 I believe that is correct.
00:09:01.040 So this whistleblower came forward basically saying that what he saw
00:09:07.100 was essentially the very intentional decision by those in leadership
00:09:12.400 to leave out what he viewed as a critical piece of information
00:09:16.820 in the months leading up to that 2020 election.
00:09:20.820 I don't have evidence beyond that speaking to motive or anything else,
00:09:26.060 but the fact that this whistleblower came forward having worked at CISA
00:09:30.740 pointing this out was obviously very concerning.
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00:10:05.120 One of the things that is interesting, of course, has been great focus.
00:10:08.220 The director of the Central Intelligence Agency, John Radcliffe, released a report several weeks ago
00:10:13.800 that indicated that former CIA director John Brennan, who I believe is still talking to some in the CIA
00:10:20.740 because many of his people were burred deeply into that bureaucracy,
00:10:24.100 forced the so-called Steele dossier, which I think he certainly knew.
00:10:31.960 Andrew Weissman, the de facto head of the Mueller investigation, knew back from his days as the FBI general counsel,
00:10:38.300 was a fraud, was a fabrication paid for by Hillary Clinton, didn't meet agency standards.
00:10:45.540 But now we have much deeper evidence of Brennan's duplicity.
00:10:51.980 Yet he goes on MSNBC and he says, well, the Steele dossier may yet be right.
00:10:58.400 There's no evidence of that.
00:11:00.360 He really is.
00:11:01.540 This guy is unbelievable.
00:11:02.620 He was outraged.
00:11:03.660 Pardon me.
00:11:03.920 I got that wrong.
00:11:04.660 He was appalled several weeks ago when you fired a hundred, I think it was a hundred,
00:11:10.800 officials inside the office of the director of national intelligence because they were disloyal
00:11:17.400 to this administration because they leaked like a sieve.
00:11:19.980 Yeah, you know, it is interesting to see the feigned outrage coming from John Brennan
00:11:26.940 and James Clapper and Susan Rice and others in response to the release of intelligence assessments
00:11:34.480 and documents and emails and personal accounts of the events that occurred then at the end of 2016
00:11:42.180 and early 2017 that resulted in this manufactured intelligence assessment saying the opposite of what previous intelligence assessments had said.
00:11:52.560 The previous assessments basically said Russia did not have the intent nor the capability to help President Trump win this election.
00:11:59.700 The manufactured intelligence assessment that you're talking about, that John Brennan and James Clapper
00:12:06.660 not only allowed the Steele dossier to be included as a source for this,
00:12:12.620 it was actually they demanded that the Steele dossier be used,
00:12:18.080 and then they buried it by highly compartmentalizing it in a highly classified intelligence category
00:12:24.000 so that it would be very, very, very hard for anyone to know that they chose to use the Steele dossier,
00:12:30.700 which was already well known to be discredited across the intelligence community as a source in this document.
00:12:36.880 So the more outraged I see them as they make the circuits around cable news,
00:12:44.040 the more I know that we are over the target, as we say, in the military.
00:12:50.240 If this was as nothing to see here as CNN wants us to believe,
00:12:56.320 then these guys would be out somewhere enjoying their summer rather than expressing their feigned outrage
00:13:02.620 and frankly lying again to the American people about their actions and their complicity in this massive conspiracy that occurred.
00:13:14.140 The discussion of the Steele dossier has been extraordinary over the last couple of weeks,
00:13:20.600 but John Durham never addressed the question of the claim that the Democrat National Committee was hacked by Russian intelligence.
00:13:27.700 Now, it was during my trial, the FBI admitted that they had never inspected the computer servers at the DNC,
00:13:34.740 relying on a company called CrowdStrike, a private left-leaning IT company.
00:13:40.000 The judge refused to let us have their report in my defense,
00:13:44.260 but the head of CrowdStrike, Sean Henry, who just happened to be a former deputy to FBI Director Robert Mueller,
00:13:51.220 testified for the House Intelligence Committee that he had no proof
00:13:54.100 that the Democrat National Committee had been the target of an online hack.
00:13:58.740 And the judge would not allow Bill Binney, formerly a very high-level CIA counterintelligence IT guy,
00:14:06.880 to testify and provide forensic evidence that would have proved that there was no online hack of the DNC.
00:14:13.800 Have you seen any evidence that would bolster that conclusion?
00:14:18.700 I have yet to see any evidence that proves either of these narratives come across my desk.
00:14:26.940 Either the narrative that the Democrats have pushed for a very long time,
00:14:32.180 that Russia hacked into the DNC's email servers and email systems.
00:14:38.440 If you recall, this claim was one of the reasons why President Obama in December of 2016 announced harsher sanctions against Russia
00:14:49.440 in response to this alleged hack.
00:14:52.040 But nor have I seen the opposite, evidence of some other entity, nation, state, or others,
00:15:00.160 who may have hacked into the DNC system.
00:15:03.660 This is a question that still remains, and we'll see what turns up.
00:15:11.120 And that is an area that I think should be examined.
00:15:14.060 In my trial specifically, federal prosecutor Jonathan Kravitz,
00:15:18.520 when the FBI was forced to admit that they never inspected the server,
00:15:22.080 he filed a very rare sur-reply with the court saying that they had additional proof that the DNC had been hacked,
00:15:28.100 but of course they produced none whatsoever.
00:15:31.160 It's because it doesn't exist, in my opinion.
00:15:34.100 Durham, as I say, never addressed this.
00:15:36.180 I hope you have the opportunity to address it as you continue to look at classified documents.
00:15:42.940 When we come back, I want to ask you about this proposal by Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas,
00:15:48.600 who would transfer the authority to declassify documents from the office you had,
00:15:53.980 as the Director of National Intelligence, to the FBI, the CIA, and the NSA,
00:15:59.060 all institutions who created the Russian collusion hack and then lied to the American people about it.
00:16:05.380 We'll be right back with Tulsi Gabbard right here in the Stone Zone.
00:16:08.500 Whatever you do, stay with us in the Zone.
00:16:11.500 The Stone Zone.
00:16:12.620 We're back in the Stone Zone with the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard,
00:16:27.140 and we're very grateful to her for joining us today.
00:16:31.020 Senator Tom Cotton seems to be leading the charge to reduce President Trump's oversight over the intelligence community
00:16:37.160 through his legislation, the Intelligence Community Efficiency and Effectiveness Act of 2025.
00:16:42.380 Well, this legislation kind of masquerades as a cost-cutting operation.
00:16:48.560 In truth, based on my reading of it, it shifts the authority to declassify documents away from the office you had
00:16:56.720 and sends that power to the FBI, the NSA, and the Central Intelligence Agencies.
00:17:04.040 Exactly the institutions which promulgated and then covered up the Russian collusion hoax.
00:17:11.320 You already are moving aggressively to downsize your office as we speak, correct?
00:17:17.940 That's right.
00:17:18.980 And in some of these areas, there's certainly agreement between the work that we are doing to streamline operations,
00:17:27.340 to find and create efficiencies, save taxpayer dollars, to downsize the organization,
00:17:33.900 so that it can actually very, it can move in an agile and an efficient manner to fulfill the mission that ODNI was created for in the wake of 9-11.
00:17:46.580 And you're exactly right, Roger.
00:17:49.200 ODNI singularly is the oversight organization that looks over these 18 different intelligence community elements.
00:17:57.960 It is the integrating body that pulls together the different intelligence products from these different agencies.
00:18:04.740 We check to make sure that these intelligence assessments are not politicized, that they are not biased,
00:18:10.020 that they are not trying to shift a policymaker's view in a biased way through the assessment.
00:18:17.080 What we need are unbiased, objective, relevant, and timely intelligence assessments to best inform the president as he makes his decisions,
00:18:25.560 as well as other policymakers here in our nation's capital.
00:18:29.680 This is what ODNI was created to do.
00:18:32.340 This is what we're focused on, on that oversight and integration function.
00:18:36.120 I'm working very quickly towards making it, executing the plan that we have built very deliberately.
00:18:46.060 And I think taking away that oversight authority from ODNI would essentially put us back into a position where,
00:18:54.060 for example, you would expect the FBI or the CIA or the NSA to report its own wrongdoing
00:19:01.100 or to report its own incidents of weaponization of intelligence that may be occurring under their rooftop.
00:19:08.460 We can look back in history and see that that is not the case and that will not be the case,
00:19:13.580 which is why you need an independent, objective body, in this case,
00:19:18.060 the Office of the Director of National Intelligence,
00:19:19.940 to fulfill that necessary function for the president and for our country.
00:19:23.360 On a final point, I want to commend you and thank you for your assistance to Congresswoman Anna Polina Luna,
00:19:29.320 who I think has done a phenomenal job of fighting the federal bureaucracy to ensure that President Trump's orders
00:19:35.760 that all federal records regarding the assassinations of President Kennedy,
00:19:40.660 Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and Dr. Martin Luther King are fulfilled.
00:19:44.220 It's very clear to me that certain elements of the deep state have continued to try to obfuscate
00:19:49.060 and hide a number of key documents, transcripts, videos, and audios,
00:19:53.600 and I know you have worked very hard to help Carla Luna and her committee fulfill that mission.
00:20:00.620 So I want to thank you for that.
00:20:02.280 And I want to thank Tulsi Gabbard for joining us today in the Stone Zone.
00:20:07.140 God bless you, my friend.
00:20:08.380 You're doing an amazing job for our country, and I could not be prouder of you.
00:20:12.580 Thank you so much.
00:20:13.940 I appreciate your bringing voice to so many of the concerns that exist across our country,
00:20:19.400 and it's actually been a real pleasure working with Representative Paulina Luna
00:20:25.260 on this important work, once again, finding the truth and sharing the truth with the American people.
00:20:31.900 All right, that's it for us today.
00:20:33.400 I want to thank Tulsi Gabbard, our guest.
00:20:35.020 Until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.
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