The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - April 02, 2025


Tyler Nixon ｜ 04-02-25

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Roger Stone Troy Smith Jake Novak
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Lyndon Baines Johnson Joseph Kennedy John F. Kennedy John Brennan Tyler Nixon Carlos Marcello Oliver Stone Ralph Yarborough Geraldo Rivera Robert F. Kennedy Stephen Brown Lee Harvey Oswald Lady Bird Johnson Billy Saul Estes Jim DiEugenio Emery Roberts Bobby Baker Jack Halfer George Joannides Richard Nixon and 23 more
The Stone Zone ｜ 03-31-25 Col. Rob Maness ｜ 04-03-25

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On November 22, 1963, President John F. Kennedy and his wife, Abigail, were found shot to death in their Dallas apartment on the morning of November 25th, 1963. The official cause of death was identified as gunshot wounds to the head and torso. The investigation into the shooting by the Joint Improvisation Division, the Warren Commission, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff determined that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, but the overwhelming evidence points to the President being a part of the cover-up. On this episode of Conspiracy Theories, Tyler Nixon, a distant relative of President Richard Nixon, joins me in the Stone Zone.

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00:00:00.000 Joining me now is attorney and one of the most respected JFK researchers in the country.
00:00:07.440 He's also a distant relative to President Richard Nixon.
00:00:11.620 Attorney Tyler Nixon joins us in the Stone Zone now.
00:00:15.960 Roger, it's great to be in the Stone Zone again.
00:00:19.360 I hope that our your former legal team intern and our friend Colorado native Adam Beal,
00:00:26.040 he arranged for Congresswoman Boebert to to accidentally supposedly mention mention your book,
00:00:36.100 even though even though it was Oliver Stone obviously testifying.
00:00:39.880 Well, you can't buy publicity like that.
00:00:43.120 It was an it wasn't it was an honest mistake.
00:00:46.160 And as I point out, even though I don't agree with Oliver Stone on much,
00:00:49.960 he thinks Fidel Castro was a heck of a guy.
00:00:52.980 Don't agree with that. 0.95
00:00:53.960 But and his his his alternative history of the United States is ludicrous.
00:01:01.660 But on this issue, we're not that far apart.
00:01:04.860 He believes that Johnson, along with the FBI, were complicit in the cover up of Kennedy's murder,
00:01:11.240 where I believe that Johnson planned and orchestrated the murder.
00:01:17.660 And he had the most acute motive.
00:01:19.440 He was under investigation in the Bobby Baker scandal and the Billy Sal Estes scandal.
00:01:27.460 Those are two of the biggest corruption scandals of the 1960s.
00:01:32.020 Bobby Baker was the secretary of the Senate.
00:01:34.600 Johnson's right hand man, essentially his bag man.
00:01:37.420 No major appropriation, particularly defense appropriations, passed the Senate without a payoff to Lyndon Baines Johnson.
00:01:47.860 And Billy Sal Estes was a flamboyant Texas Wheeler dealer.
00:01:53.560 He was getting multimillion dollar agricultural contracts arranged for him by Lyndon Johnson.
00:01:59.880 But he was kicking back to Johnson when he was both a senator and vice president.
00:02:05.660 What's amazing is that Robert Caro, the Pulitzer Prize winning author, produces a three volume biography of Johnson,
00:02:15.300 for which he wins a Pulitzer Prize for each volume.
00:02:19.100 Yet there is no mention of Billy Sal Estes.
00:02:21.500 He doesn't come up at all.
00:02:23.420 I also want to ask you about this, Tyler, particularly Madeline Brown, who was Lyndon Johnson's mistress.
00:02:31.740 If you doubt that, she bore him a son, Stephen Brown.
00:02:35.340 You can go online right now and look up a photograph of Stephen Brown because he's a spitting image of his daddy, LBJ.
00:02:44.280 He would also die under mysterious circumstances.
00:02:47.740 But Madeline Brown would tell the world that both the night before, when she spent the night with Lyndon Johnson in a Fort Worth hotel,
00:02:58.840 and the morning before Johnson departed, that she told him that after the November 22nd day was out,
00:03:08.340 he would never have to put up with those Kennedys again. 0.61
00:03:11.000 Let's listen to Madeline Brown.
00:03:12.540 When he went to cursing, he used foul language all the time.
00:03:19.100 And he said, those Kennedys, he repeated, they will never embarrass me again.
00:03:25.360 That's no threat.
00:03:26.380 That's a promise.
00:03:28.000 And I'd like the entire world to know how I personally feel is the fact Lyndon Johnson knew about the assassination and was a part of it.
00:03:37.900 Now, the amazing thing is that Geraldo Rivera interviewed Madeline Brown for that startling revelation.
00:03:46.960 Yet when I met Geraldo for the first time in a green room at Fox, I asked him about it.
00:03:51.880 He said he didn't know who Madeline Brown was and he had no memory of it.
00:03:55.840 If you look on YouTube, you can find the interview.
00:03:58.800 A number of individuals, including Alex Jones, have interviewed her.
00:04:03.620 What do you make of that, Tyler?
00:04:04.840 Well, first of all, Geraldo obviously has done amazing work in terms of the research into the assassination.
00:04:14.620 So he does deserve credit, even if he can't remember it.
00:04:17.440 He was the first to televise the Zapruder film via Robert Grodin on his show in 1975.
00:04:25.420 But Madeline Brown is extremely credible.
00:04:28.600 She is and she absolutely has documentation or had documentation.
00:04:33.220 She's obviously passed away of payments from Lyndon Johnson through his attorneys, you know, maintenance payments in a sense for for the son.
00:04:42.600 She bore him and she absolutely had no motive and no real purpose behind coming out with a story.
00:04:53.460 Or let's just say if she was if she was a fraud for making up such a story, she was able to back it up.
00:04:59.680 She knew Lyndon Johnson very, very personally.
00:05:02.140 And she professed her love for him even after the fact of his being, you know, the prime mover behind the assassination of the president.
00:05:09.920 And so she, again, is highly credible, has has a great amount of detail.
00:05:15.740 And there's no one. And frankly, no one's come out to refute anything she said or disavow or somehow debunk her involvement in relationship with Johnson for many years.
00:05:26.940 What's amazing, of course, is the Warren Commission doesn't bother to interview her.
00:05:30.900 Nobody bothers to interview her. And the mainstream media ignores her highly credible account.
00:05:36.000 And again, I say, look at the photo of her son, Stephen Brown, and you can see he looks exactly like his daddy, Lyndon Baines Johnson.
00:05:45.200 Overall, Tyler, what did you think of yesterday's hearing?
00:05:48.240 Well, you know, I was I was disappointed, to be honest.
00:05:52.820 First of all, the other than your mention of Oliver being an LBJ, LBJ was complicit after the fact rather than, you know, the central figure in a pinwheel conspiracy.
00:06:06.780 The other two witnesses, I mean, the CIA did it to the exclusion of Johnson primarily in that in that camp.
00:06:17.240 And Morley even made a comment which would indicate that he thinks Johnson was totally blameless.
00:06:23.400 But beyond that, I felt I felt Stone was the most earnest of the witnesses and certainly, I think, the most honest as well.
00:06:31.820 When asked whether he saw parallels between the assassination of President Kennedy and the attempt on President Trump, he answered yes, even though the other I think the other two witnesses said they didn't.
00:06:44.160 And and but, you know, here's the thing. I don't think they were well prepared.
00:06:47.800 I think these were sort of complacent.
00:06:50.880 I think they they are very knowledgeable and I give them immense credit, Jim DiEugenio, as well as Morley and, of course, Oliver Stone, for what they've done to advance the case and advance the truth.
00:07:02.380 But I feel like they needed to grasp the fact that this was this hearing was about the disclosure and the resistance to disclosure and the obstacles to disclosure.
00:07:13.720 And what more could be done to bring out these records and to bring the truth to the public?
00:07:19.360 And I think they let this hearing devolve into a novice Q&A about specific, you know, specific minutiae in the case, like CE399, the magic bullet or, you know, just all sorts of narrow questions that were evidentiary questions that I think, you know, they should have kept bringing the focus back.
00:07:40.200 And I think the best comment or the best suggestion at the end, which really should have been, frankly, the path, the first panel to testify, assuming there's going to be more came from Jim DiEugenio.
00:07:52.300 He said that that the committee needs to bring all the ARRB staffers or anyone from that organization who is willing to testify still alive, such as Douglas Horn, who was obviously a guest of your show a few weeks back and was is just absolutely a compendium of knowledge,
00:08:13.640 not only of of the actual evidence, the substantive evidence, but of the fact of the cover up, the attempts to cover up and withhold information because the ARRB went through all sorts of hoops in trying to extract.
00:08:27.820 They never really did get full this, you know, their their I believe their commission, as you would have expired before they were able to complete getting the documents they wanted,
00:08:38.600 as our friend Larry Schnapp pointed out in your show recently.
00:08:42.860 So, you know, I think the hearing was and sort of descended into almost a bit of a it was too casual, I think.
00:08:51.080 And the problem and this is the problem that when you have six decades pass with an event like that,
00:08:56.760 there's no one left in the government in Congress or anywhere who's an actual subject matter expert enough to ask incisive and, you know,
00:09:07.000 relevant questions on the topic of the hearing, not just on, again, like novice, oh, you know, tell us about Lee Harvey Oswald.
00:09:15.380 Is this not it? I mean, this is the minutiae. That's not what the hearing was supposed to be about.
00:09:20.180 So I think it was a missed opportunity. But I sincerely hope that they, you know, this is intended to be just a start.
00:09:26.220 For our listeners, the AARB is the Assassinations Record Review Board, which was set up by the government in the 90s.
00:09:34.680 They did some very excellent work, but they were also stonewalled by a number of agencies of government.
00:09:40.760 In the late 70s, the House Select Committee on Assassinations was formed to examine and reexamine the assassination of John Kennedy, Dr. King, and Robert Kennedy.
00:09:58.460 Interestingly enough, because most of the staffers of that committee were experts in organized crime, that was their focus.
00:10:07.400 And they conducted an exhaustive investigation.
00:10:11.200 But, Tyler, they were completely stonewalled by the CIA, who would provide no records and provide no one to testify on any question.
00:10:19.920 Not surprisingly.
00:10:21.980 I would say it's worse than that.
00:10:23.940 I mean, the assigned sort of CIA liaison for the committee who led them, you know, by their noses was George Joannidis,
00:10:33.180 who was involved in Operation 40 and was neck deep in the milieu of the JFK assassination.
00:10:41.360 And all of whose records are among those not included in these disclosures.
00:10:46.780 There is a large archive of these documents.
00:10:49.500 But they are among the documents that are missing.
00:10:52.880 The point, of course, is that the committee reached a formal conclusion in their final report that organized crime played a significant role in the murder of Kennedy.
00:11:03.680 Yet none of the documents released by the National Archives in the recent disclosures addressed the role of organized crime at all.
00:11:14.260 Missing, for example, are at a minimum transcripts, if not the actual audios, of Carlos Marcello, the gangster who ran the mob in both Texas and Louisiana,
00:11:27.800 who was recorded in his jail cell, surreptitiously by the government, taking credit for Kennedy's assassination.
00:11:37.160 Where's that audio?
00:11:38.160 Or at a minimum, where's the transcript of that audio?
00:11:41.920 Not included.
00:11:42.860 In fact, there have been no documents released that indicate a role of organized crime,
00:11:48.880 even though the House committee reached that correct conclusion.
00:11:54.700 The motive of the mob is very clear.
00:11:59.040 Sam Giancana and the mob chieftains, including Carlos Marcello and Santo Tropicante,
00:12:06.200 promised $1 million, that's 1959, to John Kennedy's presidential campaign,
00:12:11.820 and to twist arms for JFK and Illinois and Texas and even earlier that during the West Virginia primary in return for a commitment that the deportation proceedings that the Eisenhower administration had undertaken to deport Marcello and Tropicante would be dropped.
00:12:33.060 Well, John Kennedy was elected.
00:12:35.060 Well, John Kennedy was elected.
00:12:35.780 Robert Kennedy became attorney general.
00:12:39.080 Joseph P. Kennedy, his father, Ambassador Kennedy, was felled by a debilitating stroke.
00:12:45.200 Robert Kennedy went after Marcello and Tropicante going so far as to literally kidnap Marcello when he showed up for his immigration hearing check-in once a week and dropping him in Guatemala wearing nothing but Gucci shoes and a Brioni suit.
00:13:06.440 So, the mob's motive is very clear.
00:13:10.420 They were double-crossed by the Kennedys, and there is no question in my mind that they are one of the factors here. 0.99
00:13:17.960 Johnson, of course, was on the pad for Carlos Marcello through a man named Jack Halfer.
00:13:23.680 He was taking payments to conceal the mob's illegal gambling dens in San Antonio, Houston, and Dallas.
00:13:30.760 Three days after Johnson was elected, Jack Halfer got a presidential pardon on some other minor crime in which he had been convicted.
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00:14:00.140 You're listening to The Stone Zone here on the Red Apple Audio Networks, and you'll learn things you never heard about the murder of President John F. Kennedy.
00:14:09.120 We're talking to Tyler Nixon, attorney at law, one of the most respected members of the JFK researcher community.
00:14:17.020 Whatever you do, don't touch that dial because we'll be back with more.
00:14:21.420 We're talking to Tyler Nixon, attorney at law and one of the country's leading JFK assassination experts.
00:14:28.560 There are a number of anomalies that day in Dallas.
00:14:31.700 Normally, according to the manual of the Secret Service, there were to be six motorcycle officers, three abreast on either side of the presidential limousine.
00:14:43.620 It was that way in Chicago and in Miami where Kennedy visited before going to Dallas.
00:14:49.940 In this case, there was one lone officer on a motorcycle riding directly behind the presidential limousine.
00:14:55.680 Normally, between the presidential limousine and the vice presidential limousine, there would be only one car.
00:15:02.780 That would be full of Secret Service agents, most of them with long rifles, looking for in the windows of the taller buildings.
00:15:12.380 It was unusual for the presidential motorcade to go through Dealey Plaza anyway.
00:15:16.660 JFK was going from two sites outside the city, from the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport to the Merchandise Mart, neither one of which is in the city limits of Dallas.
00:15:26.980 It was John Connolly, the governor of Texas, who insisted on the motorcade going through Dealey Plaza where the car was required to come to a full stop.
00:15:37.500 Another violation of the Secret Service regulations regarding the transportation of the president.
00:15:42.860 Tyler, as you know, one of the most curious things is shown in a series of still photographs by a photographer named Alt-Gen.
00:15:54.220 And in this series of still photographs, you see Lyndon Johnson in the vice presidential limousine, which was a Cadillac.
00:16:03.920 They called it the Queen Mary.
00:16:05.860 The order of the cars is unusual.
00:16:07.680 There is Kennedy driving in the Lincoln Continental, followed by a car full of Secret Service agents, followed by a car of the press, and then followed by the automobile Johnson is riding in.
00:16:22.900 And if you look at the stills, you see in the first one, Lyndon Johnson, Senator Ralph Yarbrough, and Lady Bird Johnson.
00:16:30.560 Both Lady Bird and Senator Yarbrough smiling.
00:16:36.700 Johnson has a grim look on his face.
00:16:39.760 And then in the next still photograph, Johnson has vanished.
00:16:42.920 He's gone.
00:16:44.240 Now, Senator Ralph Yarbrough writes in his memoirs that prior to the first shot being fired, prior to the first shot being heard, Lyndon Johnson hits the deck,
00:16:54.780 and he is on the floor of his limousine talking into a small radio.
00:16:59.720 Tell us about this.
00:17:02.300 Well, I just want to touch on one thing real quick, which you mentioned the mafia involvement or potential involvement or being used.
00:17:12.340 And I think it's interesting that with Joe Anitas leading the House Select Committee on Assassinations down the garden path,
00:17:18.620 I think honestly that the mafia was set up as a sort of stalking horse just for the very purpose of being blamed or being used as a sort of a patsy as an organization to once again throw the trail off the CIA.
00:17:34.640 So I find that very interesting.
00:17:37.240 But, you know, because there definitely were involvement.
00:17:40.220 Marcello had connections to Lee Harvey Oswald, actually, believe it or not.
00:17:43.920 And, you know, I think that there were players.
00:17:47.240 Apparently, John Roselli, according to CIA pilot Tosh Plumlee, was being flown in to supposedly stop the plot.
00:17:54.480 But, you know, it was too late and couldn't do it in Dallas.
00:17:57.240 So, you know, I think they involved these guys, but they had no operational control, and it was for the purpose of doing exactly what they did,
00:18:04.780 which is to create this fake conclusion that the mafia was behind it, not the CIA.
00:18:11.560 As to the Secret Service, and yes, I mean, there's no question that the Secret Service was complicit,
00:18:19.520 and Lyndon Johnson was, you know, ducking down and even made up a big story about Rufus Youngblood leaping over the seat and throwing himself on Johnson.
00:18:30.580 And Rufus Youngblood basically told everyone that that's a bunch of BS, and he actually, you know, sort of disavowed it privately.
00:18:38.580 He didn't want to contradict Johnson because he was probably Johnson's main man, and Johnson sealed that day by giving him those accolades and elevating him within the Secret Service.
00:18:50.280 But interestingly, on that subject, the shift leader in the Queen Mary behind President Kennedy's limousine, which was left like a sitting duck in Dealey Plaza,
00:19:02.040 Emory Roberts, as soon as the shooting began, ordered the agents on the Queen Mary behind the President's limousine to freeze and not to move.
00:19:11.780 And thus, you know, nothing was done to try to protect the President, while Bill Greer, the driver, brought the limousine practically to a halt.
00:19:20.620 So Emory Roberts went on to become the appointment secretary to Lyndon Johnson in the White House, an unusual role for a Secret Service agent, let's just say.
00:19:28.660 All right, we have to wrap it right there.
00:19:31.420 I want to thank our guest, Tyler Nixon.
00:19:33.420 Stay tuned to the Stone Zone.
00:19:35.580 We'll be telling you more this week about who really killed President John F. Kennedy and why.
00:19:40.580 Thank you so much.
00:19:40.960 Thank you.