Roger Stone returns to The Stone Zone with co-host Troy Smith to discuss the latest in the documents case against Donald Trump and his associates. Stone also talks about a woman named Lauren Wilson, who he claims is a liberal documentary filmmaker, but it turns out she is a Democratic Party operative, extremely well paid in that sense. And she's been working for years for Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC, and her company, Mike Lux Media, has received at least $70,000 from the political organization MoveOn.org, a left-wing political organization that has received millions of dollars from the Democratic National Committee and other Democratic Party organizations. And that's before you even get to the details of her alleged involvement with the 2016 Democratic National Campaign Committee and the 2016 election fraud conspiracy theories that have been floating around the right wing media since the beginning of time. Roger Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents, he is a New York Times bestselling author, and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society. Due to his four plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone is a pop culture icon. And now, here s your host, Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone! Join us in The Stonezone with the legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone. . . . . Roger s back in The Zone with his long-time friend, Troy Smith, who has been out on the road spreading the good word to the conservative wing of the conservative movement. , and now in the swing state and now he s back on the airwaves with his new show on his new podcast, The Conservative Caucus in Chicago, where he s out in the middle of the country with the conservative caucus in Chicago with his own show on the radio show on Fox News Radio station on his newest radio show, The Weekly Standard, The FiveThirtyEight. and he s a guest host on his latest podcast on his travels in Chicago radio station in the early morning radio show with his radio show with his wife and his new book, on the Tonight Show on the Four Corners in the new podcast on the Morning Joe show on WMMU in the morning afternoons with his old radio show.
00:00:00.760The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
00:00:08.300Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
00:00:12.360He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
00:00:17.980As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,
00:00:23.620and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
00:00:28.360Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
00:00:34.380And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.
00:00:41.540Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.
00:00:47.440First of all, let me thank my co-host, Troy Smith, for jumping in and guest hosting the show for the last couple days.
00:00:55.900I had the honor of going to Turning Point USA's Action Conference in Detroit, as well as speaking for the Conservative Caucus in a location just outside of Chicago.
00:01:09.240So I have been out on the road spreading the good word.
00:01:30.760So I really was anxious to get back on the show today because I want to talk to her about a woman named Lauren Wilson.
00:01:38.420Lauren Wilson says she is a liberal documentary filmmaker, but it turns out that she is a Democratic Party operative, extremely well-paid in that sense.
00:01:53.580She kind of thinks that she's the female James O'Keefe.
00:01:57.520And yesterday, she published the fruits of an illegally obtained video of me when a couple of her minions approached me outside the Catholics for Catholics conference in Mar-a-Lago.
00:02:15.280In the conversation, which was breathlessly picked up by Rolling Stone, the Daily Beast, and the rest of the fake news outlets, I actually laid out all of the completely legal things that must be done in order to have a free, fair, honest, and transparent election.
00:02:39.540In their pearl clutching, of course, their headlines say, Stone reveals secret plan to steal the election.
00:02:57.260Yes, we do need to use technology to clean the bad addresses, those are undeliverable addresses, from the voter lists.
00:03:06.820Yes, you do need, for example, in the case in Michigan, where the Republican observers were physically removed from the counting facility on the night of election, you do need to be able to reach a judge during the hours that the court is closed to file an emergency motion for a court order.
00:03:30.780Sure. That is what I was talking about in my reference to access to judges.
00:03:37.240No, that doesn't mean that I have Eileen Cannon on speed dial.
00:03:42.940She's the federal judge overlooking the so-called documents case.
00:03:48.340In fact, I don't know the woman, have never met her, although I must say that I do admire her.
00:03:54.340I also said in the piece that I thought Judge Cannon may be on the brink of dismissing the case, the documents case against Donald Trump and Walt Nauta.
00:04:08.640And, of course, you understand the judge has scheduled an exhaustive hearing about whether Jack Smith's appointment is legal.
00:04:19.460Should she rule that it is not legal, well, then all of the charges against Donald Trump, both in D.C. and in Florida, would be dismissed.
00:04:54.760You know, I did some just searching about her and what she works for and where she's, you know, been associated with.
00:05:00.420And she is a partner at a media company called Mike Lux Media.
00:05:05.580And I actually went and I pulled the disbursements from federal campaign entities to this Mike Lux Media over the last several years.
00:05:12.840And what I found was really disturbing, we found two payments to this company from the DNC directly from the Democrat National Committee in 2016.
00:05:22.580Presumably, these payments would have been made to Mike Lux Media for the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign.
00:05:29.640So we have Windsor's company being paid by the Clinton people.
00:05:32.620Then we fast forward, Roger, into 2022 and 2023.
00:05:37.960And Windsor has received at least $70,000 from the political organization, the left-wing political organization, MoveOn.org.
00:05:46.820If you move to just a couple months ago in November of 2023, Windsor received funds from an organization through this Mike Lux Media called Together We Elect PAC.
00:05:57.520And that PAC, Roger, is actually mobilizing Democrats across the country in a volunteer organization to push the Biden-Harris campaign.
00:06:06.960So, and going back even further, Roger, I just sent, we can take a look, you know, she was a communications director for Tom Steyer in the 2020 election.
00:06:17.040And as we know, President Joe Biden and Tom Steyer have maintained a very cozy relationship after this election.
00:06:24.500And Biden even stayed at Tom Steyer's Lake Tahoe home in 2023, free of charge, showing the connection there.
00:06:33.580So I think the question that comes out of this, Roger, you know, they allege that what you said was nefarious for some reason,
00:06:39.560even though I think most people would look at it and say, well, this is a political operative, you, talking about political operations.
00:06:45.560There's nothing even slightly controversial there.
00:06:48.580However, Lauren Windsor, who portrays herself as a journalist, who portrays somebody who, you know, I'm a journalist.
00:06:55.400I'm somebody who has to go and take the facts.
00:06:58.380And if you look up my companies, you look up my name, you won't see me being paid by Republicans.
00:07:02.760You won't see me being paid by any politicians.
00:07:04.600Lauren Windsor, without a doubt, 100% is being paid by the Democrats.
00:07:10.280And it leads to the question, Roger, who ordered her to illegally conduct this investigation?
00:07:16.760Who ordered her to illegally record your conversation and make this report into a nothing burger that was picked up by all of the left-wing media outlets?
00:07:26.020Yeah, the woman who contacted me from Rolling Stone, a woman named Nikki McCann Ramirez,
00:07:32.000says she's going to be sued as well, because my research, talking to several Florida lawyers yesterday,
00:07:38.680is publishing the fruits of an illegal recording is also a crime.
00:07:45.300So the folks at Rolling Stone, I doubt that they have the money for a lawsuit.
00:10:10.400So your lawyers have to know how to contact a judge in those emergency circumstances.
00:10:16.740Beyond that, I talked about technology.
00:10:20.260Yes, there are programs in which the post office certified addresses cannot be delivered.
00:10:30.860That leads you to believe that if an address for a registered voter can't be delivered,
00:10:36.740well, the registered voter probably doesn't exist.
00:10:39.760You may have to, in some counties, go to court in order to induce the Board of Elections to remove these voters from the voting list.
00:10:54.660So that was my reference to technology.
00:10:58.220One of my critiques of 2020 is that they did not have lawyers standing by in every swing state.
00:11:05.940They didn't have poll watchers in every swing state.
00:11:09.760This is one giant nothing burger, but frankly, I'm a little tired of it.
00:11:16.280So, as I say, I will keep folks up to date on this.
00:11:21.500I have hired, I think, one of the best lawyers in Florida.
00:11:25.120And, well, all of these publications who republished this nothing burger by this Democratic operative posing as a liberal documentary filmmaker,
00:11:40.840well, they can all stand and do dock together.
00:11:43.360By the way, I believe that she also illegally recorded two Supreme Court justices.
00:11:51.840This is the demented activities of the far left.
00:11:56.620And as you point out, she's not a documentary filmmaker.
00:12:12.300Dylan Allman is someone I met online, mainly because I was extraordinarily impressed by a piece that he wrote about the Kennedy assassination.
00:12:23.540Now, Dylan is a supporter of Robert F. Kennedy.
00:12:29.180That's not germane to our conversation today.
00:12:35.260But I've been so impressed with his journalistic efforts that I have republished several of them on The Stone Zone with, of course, his byline.
00:14:18.720At some point, I did develop my principles in respect to a lot of, like, libertarian values.
00:14:30.720I'm not particularly a religious person, but I did see what was going on in the Army, did think about what the implications were principally,
00:14:40.640and decided that this was something that was not compatible with my closely hold moral beliefs.
00:14:48.740So I went down the process of leaving as a conscientious objector, which took about a year.
00:14:55.060Granted, this was during COVID, so it was definitely much more difficult and a much more elongated process to get through
00:15:03.420because, you know, the bureaucratic tape was, like, tripled at that time.
00:15:07.900But I went through having to do a hearing, an investigation, interviews by the chaplain, a psychiatric evaluation.
00:15:20.420I had to write up multiple pages, you know, really giving my case on why these beliefs are sincere, what they are,
00:15:28.620how they're incompatible with military service.
00:15:30.900And then that eventually had to go all the way up the chain, up to the Pentagon, which obviously takes a long time.
00:15:38.720And they eventually approved me separating from the military.
00:15:44.640And so I was in for almost four years at that point.
00:15:59.240So, I guess my first question is, you know, the mainstream media and academia have certain narratives that they have formulated.
00:16:15.520Let's take the Kennedy assassination as a perfect example.
00:16:20.020And CNN, for example, also CBS particularly, have pushed the Warren Commission, Lee Harvey Oswald, lone nut, no-co-conspirators, acting alone, killed John F. Kennedy.
00:16:38.140Interestingly enough, the most recent Gallup poll on this question shows that almost 63 percent of the American people,
00:16:46.420despite the fact being spoon-fed that narrative for years, they don't believe it.
00:16:54.100You wrote a particularly good investigative piece on the Kennedy assassination.
00:17:01.520Kind of review that for us, if you will.
00:17:03.740Well, as you're going down sort of this political pathway, you know, I'm only 26, and I've only been, you know, really political over the last, you know, six or seven years.
00:17:17.100You start to kind of pick apart some of these established narratives around certain things.
00:17:22.760And, you know, it starts off very vanilla at first, and then you really start to pull back the tape.
00:17:29.220And you're like, wow, there's all this that's just not true.
00:17:34.140And when you start looking at the official narrative of the JFK assassination, I'm, you know, I'm surprised and I'm not surprised that only 63 percent of people don't believe the story.
00:17:48.700Because, like you said, we are kind of spoon-fed.
00:17:51.800It does take a little bit of effort to push back and question official narratives.
00:18:01.060They're taking care of their families.
00:18:02.480Not everybody has the luxury to question these things.
00:18:07.820But as soon as you do, the Warren Commission is just absolute horseshit.
00:18:14.340You know, it's very interesting to me that there is still a group of people that look at the established narrative, see kind of the pushback on it, and still go, oh, no.
00:18:30.300The official narrative is all perfect.
00:18:32.480You know, you can have theories about what actually happened, you know, who was behind it, all of this.
00:18:40.140But at the end of the day, there's not a whole lot of super concrete evidence.
00:18:46.840You know, that's why there's so many theories this way and that way.
00:18:49.700However, what is unquestionable is the inconsistencies with the Warren Commission, which are just all over the place, and then also just the very obvious cover-up that took place after the assassination.
00:19:08.720And there's mountains and mountains and there's mountains and there's mountains and there's mountains and mountains of evidence for those two things alone.
00:19:13.920So anybody that just accepts the official narrative knowing that, that's just beyond me.
00:19:23.000I'm not sure I understand that at all.
00:19:24.740I understand, you know, getting in the nitty-gritty and, you know, disagreeing on these little details.
00:19:30.460But I feel like there's just no question that at least the official narrative is inaccurate.
00:19:40.920Yeah, there are so many small things that people don't know.
00:19:46.920For example, when President Kennedy landed in Fort Worth, or I should, departed Fort Worth for Dallas, well, for the merchandise mark, both the airport and the merchandise mark are outside the city of Dallas.
00:20:07.380Why the motorcade looped into the city of Dallas to go through Dealey Plaza, a place where the presidential limousine was required to come to a full stop at a stop sign, which is a total violation of the Secret Service manual, is a perfect example.
00:20:27.580Well, that particular motorcade route was dictated by Governor John Connolly, the Texas governor, who was, of course, a close ally, former administrative assistant, to Lyndon Baines Johnson.
00:20:41.200Also, for example, there had been a plastic bubble top on the presidential limousine because of the rain, but the rain had broken.
00:20:55.020The sun was coming out, but it was Lyndon Johnson aide Bill Moyers who went to the Secret Service and ordered them to remove the bubble top.
00:21:05.720Now, the bubble top was not bulletproof, but it was also not opaque, which meant that a gunman could not get a clear aim, a clear headshot on John F. Kennedy.
00:21:21.560So it was Lyndon Johnson who gave the order to remove the bubble top.
00:21:27.540That is just a perfect example of one of the many anomalies.
00:23:24.080And this is something, Dylan, you've been really good at digging out in your writing that I think give people who aren't familiar with the story
00:23:35.040or who have previously bought the Warren Commission narrative a second look at the question.
00:23:42.960Troy, do you have a question for our special guest, Dylan Allman?
00:24:22.240But whenever I – you sent me a signed copy of your book whenever I published that piece that you're talking about.
00:24:29.060And it's – I really appreciated it because it has such a very cohesive story from start to finish.
00:24:36.260It really paints that picture of Lyndon Johnson up and to the point of the assassination.
00:24:43.200And I think a lot of – I've read a few books on the Kennedy assassination.
00:24:48.260A lot of these can really get into the weeds about all these specific details, and it's not super cohesive and have like a timeline and everything.
00:24:57.040So I really appreciated that and really enjoyed your book.
00:25:04.940One of the things that really stuck out to me in the book that I've brought up to a few people is that part where you're talking about Lyndon Johnson's character.
00:25:16.720And you mentioned that he had – I forget where the location was, but he had a designated abortion clinic that he would send his secretaries to go and get abortions every time he would get them pregnant and would just have this like cycle going through.
00:25:37.180You know, whatever your opinion is on abortion, that's like – that's just the most insane abuse of power that you could ever imagine.
00:25:47.480And it's not – it shouldn't be crazy to anyone that somebody of that character would be above doing something like getting the president of the United States murdered so they could get into their spot.
00:26:01.980So I think that you very masterfully painted a picture of Johnson that is definitely a really good case against him for sure.
00:26:13.780I think that people that don't question the official narrative are pretty goofy to me because it's very clear that John F. Kennedy had so many enemies in very high-up places, including Johnson, Allen Dulles, you know, some of these guys from the mafia, J. Edgar Hoover, and really pushing against the grain in all these different ways.
00:26:41.100That to be like, oh, well, there's no chance of this ever being the case, I think that's really dumb.
00:26:49.180I think one of the most glaring issues in the Warren Commission is their lack of talking to enough people.
00:27:02.400They basically just like ignored a lot of all of the relevant witnesses that would have blown the case wide open.
00:27:11.020It's their blatant ignoring of very important evidence and also all of the people that just mysteriously died right before either the commission or, you know, the House Select Committee just dying right beforehand.
00:27:30.160And like the story with Johnny Rosselli, where they just found him cut up in pieces, you know, in the middle of a body of water three days before he was supposed to go and testify.
00:27:41.420You know, there are so many little details of a cover-up that just frankly shouldn't be ignored, but they are often just completely ignored.
00:27:52.440Or how is this just a coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence?
00:27:56.640At some point, you got to think, man, there's something going on here, especially when there's mountains of evidence that, you know, Oswald didn't do it.
00:28:07.500But, you know, having the witnesses that saw him just sitting there eating lunch 90 seconds after the shot goes off, just completely unbothered, this dude sipping on a Diet Coke, if he would have just shot the president, he would have had to sprint all the way downstairs, sit there and just act like he's eating lunch.
00:28:31.500That's crazy to me, but these witnesses conveniently ignored by the Warren Commission, it's very clear to me that there's foul play going on, and I don't understand why people just completely ignore it.
00:28:47.540I do have a question for you, Roger, so looking back on how there seemed to be this sort of concerted effort to paint Patrice Lumumba during the time whenever Kennedy was coming into office as like this crazy communist to just completely discredit him when obviously that was not the case.
00:29:13.060He just wasn't falling in line with the CIA and what they wanted.
00:29:19.320How much of you think that, like, goes on today?
00:29:22.140I think that's very obviously there's a lot of that.
00:29:24.820You know, how compromised do you think that the corporate press is?
00:29:29.580Do you think it's, I mean, just nothing they say is true, all of it is propaganda?
00:29:35.980There seems to, there's probably some sort of middle ground there.
00:29:38.660Do you think that it's a continuation of Project Mockingbird?
00:29:46.420First of all, for those of you unfamiliar, Project Mockingbird was an operation in which the Central Intelligence Agency paid the sometimes prominent journalists on the side to write news the way they wanted it written.
00:30:04.220Interestingly enough, Project Mockingbird really is more fully understood when one of the two famous Watergate reporters, Bob Woodward, and his partner, Carl Bernstein, who were making millions of dollars, who were celebrities.
00:30:24.980But Woodward invested his money in real estate, lived a more sedate lifestyle, whereas Carl Bernstein was more into, shall we say, wine, women, and song.
00:30:38.140And Bernstein, at some point, ran out of cash.
00:30:44.020Woodward was beginning to do Watergate-related projects without him.
00:30:49.280And Bernstein wrote a seminal piece for Rolling Stone, of all people, fully exposing Operation Mockingbird, the fact that the CIA had been paying journalists.
00:31:03.300This was Woodward, pardon me, this was Bernstein's way of saying, if you think you're going to cut me out, I know a lot of secrets.
00:31:12.400To go to your question, as my friend Sean Hannity says, journalism in America is dead.
00:31:19.020There was a time, for example, that the New York Times was recognized as a so-called newspaper of record.
00:31:27.940Yes, it's true that there was kind of a liberal lean, a liberal tint to its news coverage.
00:31:50.760I said in the earlier segment, look how, when this documentary filmmaker produces an innocuous video in which all of the legal steps that Republicans must pursue in order to ensure that we have a free, fair, honest, and transparent election.
00:32:11.080As soon as she puts her video out, Rolling Stone, Raw Story, The Daily Beast, The True News Syndicate, they all jump in and amplify what is, in this case, a false narrative.
00:32:30.680So I do think the role of the media has changed very radically, and I really don't think virtually anything in the legacy media today can be relied on in terms of being factual.
00:32:48.060The Russian collusion hoax is probably the single best example of that.
00:32:54.520We now know definitively, based on the final report of John Durham, which has a lot of gaps in it,
00:33:02.320but there is no question that at the highest level of the U.S. government, those involved, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Susan Rice, the National Security Advisor, Valerie Jarrett, the White House de facto chief of staff,
00:33:24.500FBI Director Brennan, FBI Director Brennan, CIA Director Comey, they know from the get-go that the Steele dossier is a fraud.
00:33:35.720Andrew Weissman knew it when he was the general counsel to the FBI, yet they used it as the rationale,
00:33:43.300and they harnessed the full authority of the U.S. government and the extraordinary capabilities of our intelligence agencies,
00:33:54.500to attempt to stage a coup to remove Donald Trump.
00:34:00.260So, yes, I think it's conceivable that Operation Mockingbird continues.
00:34:08.040But in other cases, they may be reporting the news just because of their own biased viewpoint.
00:34:19.120Reporters were supposed to not interpret the news.
00:34:22.360They were just to support the – report the facts.
00:34:25.820That's what Troy does at slingshot.news.
00:34:30.140Troy, do you have a comment or a question for Dylan?
00:34:34.300Well, I'll just say, you know, Roger, about the media.
00:34:36.360It's such a trying time for us in the media because you have these large institutions that safeguard against people who have an individual opinion.
00:34:47.860And I've seen it – you know, Dylan, I'll tell you just from what I've seen.
00:34:51.260You know, the people that I've encountered that are in the structures of media that are really – the ones that are pulling the strings.
00:34:58.180I'm talking about the people who really control these online outlets, the people who really push the false narratives out there.
00:35:05.520And I've had – you know, I've worked for several organizations, and now I'm doing my own thing, of course.
00:35:10.140But every time, I found myself leaving the organization because they were angry with something that I reported because as an independent reporter, sometimes you have to bring things up that are not exactly, let's say, the most clean things.
00:35:28.540You talk about things that people have done.
00:35:30.160And it's not exactly something that is not controversial.
00:35:34.380It's very controversial what you have to do as a journalist.
00:35:37.600And there is a push by those in the mainstream media and by those who control the levers of our media today in general to kind of weed out anybody who's doing anything slightly based in truth, which I happen to see it as if you're reporting the truth, it's going to be controversial.
00:35:55.560If you're reporting the facts, it's going to be controversial because in a world where nobody does that, you know, in a world where everybody lies, the truth is controversial.
00:36:05.760I think you probably see this as somebody who reads these publications, somebody – especially you've seen the media coverage of RFK Jr.
00:36:13.840It's been some of the most unbelievable coverage we've seen.
00:36:17.580And then you take into account they publish all this misinformation about Robert F. Kennedy, and then they refuse to give him Secret Service protection.
00:36:25.880I mean, I'd love to hear your comment on that.
00:36:30.340It speaks to everything we've talked about here today.
00:36:32.420I think the Secret Service thing is a pretty simple answer.
00:36:38.400I think it's an attempt to drain his campaign of funds.
00:36:43.600You know, it costs a lot of money to protect somebody like Robert Kennedy Jr., someone, you know, a popular presidential candidate touring the United States, someone with his family past, his family history.
00:36:57.200You know, he's spending millions of dollars month upon month for his own private protection.
00:37:03.800And I think that this is an effort to force him to continue to keep paying for his own private protection so he can't use that money for his campaign in other respects.
00:37:22.240You know, this is somebody's life that we're talking about.
00:37:24.520I don't know how much I would trust the Secret Service.
00:37:28.800I mean, I don't I don't somebody from his family past knowing a lot of the things that the Secret Service were complicit in back when his uncle was assassinated.
00:37:41.440I don't know how much I would trust them.
00:37:43.260But, you know, maybe, you know, maybe, you know, something I don't.
00:37:47.000But, yeah, I think that that that's essentially what's going on there.
00:37:54.540I was reading through that book by David Talbot.
00:37:59.400I know I'm positive you're familiar, the Devil's Chessboard, talking about Alan Dulles and the Kennedy assassination and the formation of the CIA.
00:38:12.300And there was one part that was really telling to me.
00:38:15.240I wrote this down, it says, Dulles, when talking about appearing before members of Congress back in the 50s and 60s, they would tell him, we don't want to hear about that.
00:38:30.820You know, they wanted to remain blissfully ignorant to all of the distasteful things that they just they knew in the back of their head that the government was up to.
00:38:38.440Now, you fast forward to today, you have people in Congress that are groaning audibly whenever they're asked to have a recorded vote.
00:38:50.940I don't know if you remember back during closer to COVID, Thomas Massey essentially forced members of Congress to go up and have a recorded vote.
00:39:00.980And you can hear them groan, these grown people that have a job to represent us are groaning because they don't want to be on the hook for things that they're voting for.
00:39:12.140And they don't even read the bills that they're voting for.
00:39:15.080These are thousands and thousands of pages and they have 48 hours to read them.
00:39:30.100They don't care if the CIA was getting away with this kind of stuff back in the 60s.
00:39:37.900I can only imagine what they're getting away with now.
00:39:40.860I mean, you just see more and more as these people get more complicit and more cushy.
00:39:47.260And you don't see any hardly any members of Congress actually taking a stand for things that matter.
00:39:52.820And so I can only imagine what's going on today.
00:39:57.500You know, we didn't hear about a lot of the stuff that happened in, you know, the 40s, 50s and 60s until there was a an effort like a investigation and committees to pull these documents, you know, from the shadows.
00:40:13.680So I can only imagine what's happened since then.
00:40:16.820Roger, do you have any hope for or do you think it will ever happen again where we have another one of these very publicized like House committees or, you know, the Assassination Records Review Board back in the 90s?
00:40:37.560Do you think do you have any faith that something like that could happen again?
00:40:41.640Because that would be that would be phenomenal if if, you know, Trump's talking about when he gets into office actually releasing the records this time.
00:40:50.480Do you think that there's stuff in there that will really blow a hole in this?
00:40:55.400Do you do you think that that's what do you think about that?
00:41:00.160Well, you raise a couple of very good topics.
00:42:20.380It's interesting that the protection of presidential candidates by the Secret Service grows out of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy Sr.
00:42:32.260It was after Kennedy was killed in Los Angeles.
00:42:35.940And, by the way, Dylan, I think that should be your next investigative piece, because no one has ever done a first rate, exhaustive examination of the murder of Robert Kennedy.
00:42:48.280Some of Robert Kennedy Jr.'s comments, particularly in an excellent interview with Mike Tyson, of all people, very, very hard to find on the Internet, by the way, because for some reason they've chosen to censor it.
00:43:04.420But it's excellent in terms of laying out the falsehoods pertaining to Robert F. Kennedy Sr.'s murder.
00:43:16.840No, I don't think I don't think the Congress will ever have the kind of exhaustive investigative committee.
00:43:26.200For example, I think we need one right now to look at the January 6th investigation.
00:43:32.120And in the greater sense, January 6th, we know a lot of things.
00:43:37.620We know that the January 6th committee suburned perjury by a number of their witnesses, specifically in my case, in the case of General Flynn, Cassidy Hutchison, whose statements under oath are just completely and provably false.
00:43:53.280They use manipulated videos, they use manipulated videos, they manipulate the videos, both in terms of content, they turn volume up on some things, turn volume down.
00:44:09.620The fact that the speaker would not accept the three Republicans recommended by the minority leader then, but chose three non-Trump-supporting Republicans is suspect in itself.
00:44:28.160So if that was the last investigative hearing of any merit, that was a fraud, that was a criminal fraud.
00:44:38.240I don't think you're ever going to get, for example, I'd like to see an exhaustive investigation into the origins of the COVID-19 vaccination.
00:44:48.300That would be a good use of the taxpayers' money.
00:44:51.500No, I don't think we're ever going to see that, sadly.
00:45:01.420They, never mind the Democrats, who, to their credit, at least they march in lockstep and they have great unity in their caucus.
00:45:10.740Whereas the Republicans are badly divided between those establishment Republicans who just don't want to rock the boat, who just want to get reelected and kind of like the status quo, and then more courageous members of Congress who are more reform-oriented.
00:45:28.720But that means that Speaker Johnson, of whom I have some criticism, people say, well, why doesn't he impeach Biden, or why doesn't he do this, or why doesn't he do that?
00:45:38.880He's got to get every member of his caucus to agree to anything because the Republican control is so very narrow.
00:45:48.420One other thing that I thought I would mention, which I will send you something on this, Dylan, I think you'll find it fascinating.
00:45:57.220There's been a lot of speculation about whether Joe Biden uses a body double.
00:46:02.180People look at various pictures of him, and admittedly, he looks different in different pictures.
00:46:08.860President Lyndon Johnson most definitely used a body double.
00:46:12.940Phil Nelson, who very recently passed away, a good friend of mine, one of the most comprehensive researchers and authors, wrote two volumes on Kennedy, LBJ, Mastermind of the Kennedy Assassination, and then LBJ, The Colossus.
00:46:33.720Also wrote an excellent book on the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, which he concludes was not done by James Earl Ray.
00:46:43.560But Nelson points out that Lyndon Johnson had a cousin who looked amazingly like him, and he would often use his cousin as a decoy so that Johnson could, in essence, be in two places at once.
00:47:02.480So Johnson was seen in Fort Worth on the evening of November 21st, when, in fact, there are multiple witnesses that have him in Dallas at the home of oil man and Kennedy hater, Clint Murchison.
00:47:22.280After Johnson became president, he learned that his cousin had signed a lucrative television deal to play Lyndon Johnson in a television series.
00:47:36.980Shortly thereafter, somebody rang the doorbell at Lyndon Johnson's cousin's home.
00:47:43.820When he opened the door, he was shot and killed.
00:47:47.740All of this is documented in Phil Nelson's book.
00:47:51.340So the idea of a president using a body double is not so far-fetched.
00:47:58.460If you go and examine some of the pictures, I'm fairly convinced that the Hillary Clinton who emerges on, I believe it was Memorial Day, after she had collapsed and been removed from the scene,
00:48:14.000the Hillary Clinton, the Hillary Clinton who comes out from a distance to wave at the press, is not the real Hillary Clinton.
00:48:27.000Well, you know, Roger, as far as the body double thing, I find it incredibly interesting that that was utilized by Lyndon Baines Johnson.
00:48:35.040My question would be, you know, how do they get the body double to act as stupid as Joe Biden acts or as demented as Joe Biden acts?
00:48:44.000You know, that would seem to me to be one hell of a trick.
00:48:46.620But, no, it speaks to me to the underhanded nature of those in the political class.
00:48:52.800You know, it's constantly about tricking the American public, Roger.
00:48:56.640And you've seen this politically, that Trump is the agent of change in this regard.
00:49:01.700And that Trump is really the first political candidate for a major party to break that mold of control,
00:49:07.880to break that mold of people who are looking to fool the American public and instead looking to stand for the American public.
00:49:14.680And I think that is a, we'll call it irreparable change to the U.S. political system as we know it.
00:49:23.820Because for the first time in, really since JFK, I believe, the American people have a representative that's going to fight for them,
00:49:32.900that's going to stand for them, and isn't going to back down.
00:49:35.460More importantly, isn't going to engage in these underhanded tactics where they're trying to fool the American public.
00:49:42.540I think that it speaks to, you know, the underhandedness and where we're going as far as, you know,
00:49:48.840having legitimate candidates that actually do things for the American people.
00:49:52.220I don't see any going back from the Trump era.
00:49:55.880And I'd be interested to hear Dylan's thoughts on that as well as an RFK supporter.
00:49:58.860Because I think RFK really, you know, if you look at 2016 Trump and RFK now, there are some similarities.
00:50:05.880I would say more similarities than you see with, say, a Hillary Clinton or a Joe Biden.
00:50:11.040Yeah, I think that's definitely a good point.
00:50:13.240I think that's a huge, I mean, probably most of, you know, Donald Trump's support comes from people that are just really disenfranchised from the system and are just tired of being lied to.
00:50:24.240I mean, I'm, you know, when I'm deciding who, which candidate I prefer, I mean, most of it comes from, I just want someone to be honest with me.
00:50:34.840You know, someone that is going to have a body double.
00:50:37.580I mean, you can see these videos of Biden, dude.
00:50:39.700I mean, maybe, maybe it's just like film magic or something.
00:50:44.100But dude, like, it looks like he's wearing a mask, like his earlobe thing.
00:50:50.380At the very least, it does not inspire confidence in me that this is not a body double.
00:50:58.000But yeah, that's what I look for in a candidate is someone that I can trust, someone that will actually do what they think is right.
00:51:07.260You know, like moments during John F. Kennedy's presidency where he, all of his advisors told him to do something where he was like, that's just not right.
00:51:17.120We're not doing that. And ultimately, that's probably what got him killed.
00:51:20.940But, you know, that's something that I admire in a leader, somebody that pushes back on that sort of ideological conformity, thinks for themselves, does what's right, actually exercises critical thinking and is honest with the American people.
00:52:43.560Dylan, you recently wrote an excellent piece on Watergate, taking fresh eyes on a subject.
00:52:51.520I can tell you, having written a book on the Kennedy assassination and written two books on Watergate, the public is less interested in Watergate.
00:53:45.860That was definitely an interesting piece, doing the research on that and putting together.
00:53:52.340You sent me some very valuable information.
00:53:55.240And I think you hit on a very interesting point that him being painted as this sort of like, you know, storybook villain, this kind of, you know, Republican tough guy type, you know, smoking a cigar.
00:54:09.560It's very easy to paint this guy as a villain.
00:54:12.200And that's very useful when you don't want people to come to his defense, when you don't want people to be skeptical about what happened.
00:54:21.520I think it's important to practice skepticism in, well, in every aspect of your life, but especially in parts that people are less likely to be skeptical.
00:54:35.360Because that's much easier to push a specific narrative.
00:54:39.740So when I look at established narratives that are taboo to question or people are less likely to go after, those are the things that are the most important to actually be skeptical of and to go after.
00:54:54.900Because you don't know what could be hidden behind the scenes.
00:54:58.360And I do find that very interesting because when you grow up in school, Nixon is always painted as this villain.
00:55:03.780And it's like, hey, and, you know, we got confirmation that he was a villain because of the Watergate scandal.
00:55:11.040And he went down, he resigned in all this.
00:55:14.380It's this, you know, this huge storybook ending.
00:55:16.900And like you said, he wasn't able to actually defend himself.
00:55:19.580And no one wanted to come to his defense.
00:55:21.480At least with JFK, you know, people kind of, you know, people liked him.
00:55:26.240He died in, you know, such an awful way that kind of, you know, cemented his legacy at that point in time, which, you know, Nixon did not get the luxury to do.
00:55:37.640So looking into that research and finding out that a lot of this is inconsistent, the people reporting on it were CIA assets.
00:55:47.600And there was a lot of narratives that were pushed that were inaccurate, you know, highlighting stuff that Nixon did and ignoring everything else that happened.
00:55:57.940Everybody has a sort of corruption that goes on.
00:56:01.860That's kind of how politics works, you know, but highlighting just this one thing that this person did and ignoring everything else and just pushing that and being like, no, we're totally, we're totally good.
00:56:19.880And I think it's very important to push back on people like that because, you know, I don't like it when people get away with shit like that.
00:56:28.420You know, I'm a huge, you know, I just, I hate that.
00:56:34.920I really appreciate justice whenever it's necessary and having this sort of shadowy government in the background that can just do whatever they want without accountability and can push whatever narratives they want to destroy whoever they want and are just always going to be in power no matter what.
00:56:52.680That's one of the main, also one of the main driving factors on who I prefer to support for office is someone who I think I can trust the most to actually push back on the deep state and actually make a difference.
00:57:09.120And so, you know, whoever ends that, whoever that ends up being, I'm definitely going to root for them.