The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

00:00:00.760 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.

00:00:08.300 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:12.360 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:17.980 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,

00:00:23.620 and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:28.360 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:34.380 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:41.540 Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.

00:00:47.440 First of all, let me thank my co-host, Troy Smith, for jumping in and guest hosting the show for the last couple days.

00:00:55.900 I had the honor of going to Turning Point USA's Action Conference in Detroit, as well as speaking for the Conservative Caucus in a location just outside of Chicago.

00:01:09.240 So I have been out on the road spreading the good word.

00:01:13.400 I want to thank Troy for jumping in.

00:01:15.440 He had a couple very successful shows.

00:01:17.920 Troy, welcome back in to The Zone.

00:01:19.800 Roger, I consider you a brother, and every day when we come on here and we do the news, it's something that's important to me.

00:01:27.620 So it's great to have you back.

00:01:28.880 Great to be back in the swing.

00:01:30.760 So I really was anxious to get back on the show today because I want to talk to her about a woman named Lauren Wilson.

00:01:38.420 Lauren Wilson says she is a liberal documentary filmmaker, but it turns out that she is a Democratic Party operative, extremely well-paid in that sense.

00:01:53.580 She kind of thinks that she's the female James O'Keefe.

00:01:57.520 And yesterday, she published the fruits of an illegally obtained video of me when a couple of her minions approached me outside the Catholics for Catholics conference in Mar-a-Lago.

00:02:15.280 In the conversation, which was breathlessly picked up by Rolling Stone, the Daily Beast, and the rest of the fake news outlets, I actually laid out all of the completely legal things that must be done in order to have a free, fair, honest, and transparent election.

00:02:39.540 In their pearl clutching, of course, their headlines say, Stone reveals secret plan to steal the election. 0.98

00:02:50.480 This is laughable horseshit. 0.96

00:02:53.740 What I talked about is common sense. 0.92

00:02:57.260 Yes, we do need to use technology to clean the bad addresses, those are undeliverable addresses, from the voter lists.

00:03:06.820 Yes, you do need, for example, in the case in Michigan, where the Republican observers were physically removed from the counting facility on the night of election, you do need to be able to reach a judge during the hours that the court is closed to file an emergency motion for a court order.

00:03:30.780 Sure. That is what I was talking about in my reference to access to judges.

00:03:37.240 No, that doesn't mean that I have Eileen Cannon on speed dial.

00:03:42.940 She's the federal judge overlooking the so-called documents case.

00:03:48.340 In fact, I don't know the woman, have never met her, although I must say that I do admire her.

00:03:54.340 I also said in the piece that I thought Judge Cannon may be on the brink of dismissing the case, the documents case against Donald Trump and Walt Nauta.

00:04:08.640 And, of course, you understand the judge has scheduled an exhaustive hearing about whether Jack Smith's appointment is legal.

00:04:19.460 Should she rule that it is not legal, well, then all of the charges against Donald Trump, both in D.C. and in Florida, would be dismissed.

00:04:32.120 Anyway, I really have no choice.

00:04:35.060 I'm going to sue Lauren Windsor over her attempted to be the left-wing James O'Keefe. 1.00

00:04:44.520 But my understanding is, Troy, you did a little digging on Lauren, and you found some very interesting things.

00:04:53.140 Well, Roger, that's exactly right.

00:04:54.760 You know, I did some just searching about her and what she works for and where she's, you know, been associated with.

00:05:00.420 And she is a partner at a media company called Mike Lux Media.

00:05:05.580 And I actually went and I pulled the disbursements from federal campaign entities to this Mike Lux Media over the last several years.

00:05:12.840 And what I found was really disturbing, we found two payments to this company from the DNC directly from the Democrat National Committee in 2016.

00:05:22.580 Presumably, these payments would have been made to Mike Lux Media for the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign.

00:05:29.640 So we have Windsor's company being paid by the Clinton people.

00:05:32.620 Then we fast forward, Roger, into 2022 and 2023.

00:05:37.960 And Windsor has received at least $70,000 from the political organization, the left-wing political organization, MoveOn.org.

00:05:46.820 If you move to just a couple months ago in November of 2023, Windsor received funds from an organization through this Mike Lux Media called Together We Elect PAC.

00:05:57.520 And that PAC, Roger, is actually mobilizing Democrats across the country in a volunteer organization to push the Biden-Harris campaign.

00:06:06.960 So, and going back even further, Roger, I just sent, we can take a look, you know, she was a communications director for Tom Steyer in the 2020 election.

00:06:17.040 And as we know, President Joe Biden and Tom Steyer have maintained a very cozy relationship after this election.

00:06:24.500 And Biden even stayed at Tom Steyer's Lake Tahoe home in 2023, free of charge, showing the connection there.

00:06:33.580 So I think the question that comes out of this, Roger, you know, they allege that what you said was nefarious for some reason,

00:06:39.560 even though I think most people would look at it and say, well, this is a political operative, you, talking about political operations.

00:06:45.560 There's nothing even slightly controversial there.

00:06:48.580 However, Lauren Windsor, who portrays herself as a journalist, who portrays somebody who, you know, I'm a journalist.

00:06:55.400 I'm somebody who has to go and take the facts.

00:06:58.380 And if you look up my companies, you look up my name, you won't see me being paid by Republicans.

00:07:02.760 You won't see me being paid by any politicians.

00:07:04.600 Lauren Windsor, without a doubt, 100% is being paid by the Democrats.

00:07:10.280 And it leads to the question, Roger, who ordered her to illegally conduct this investigation?

00:07:16.760 Who ordered her to illegally record your conversation and make this report into a nothing burger that was picked up by all of the left-wing media outlets? 1.00

00:07:26.020 Yeah, the woman who contacted me from Rolling Stone, a woman named Nikki McCann Ramirez,

00:07:32.000 says she's going to be sued as well, because my research, talking to several Florida lawyers yesterday,

00:07:38.680 is publishing the fruits of an illegal recording is also a crime.

00:07:45.300 So the folks at Rolling Stone, I doubt that they have the money for a lawsuit.

00:07:50.600 Have you seen their numbers?

00:07:51.800 There's nobody reading this publication.

00:07:54.500 They're literally falling apart.

00:07:56.340 But she can look forward to being sued as well, not to mention, by the way, she's a friend of the writer Molly Jong Fast, 0.99

00:08:06.360 who should be called Molly Jong Slow, because she's dumb as a rock. 1.00

00:08:12.740 This is, do we have that, the Rolling Stone and the Daily Beast headlines? 0.97

00:08:17.800 I want to demonstrate to people the way they have this coordination on the left.

00:08:23.900 You see, when one Blackbird jumps off the wire, they all jump off the wire.

00:08:30.160 In this case, Lauren Windsor has done nothing but lead them into a lawsuit. 1.00

00:08:36.300 For those who think I won't filing, well, stand by.

00:08:40.180 Well, and Roger, my question to you is, you know, you saw this, your reaction to these people contacting you.

00:08:49.360 They're really trying as hard as they can to turn this into something controversial,

00:08:53.720 when really there was nothing controversial stated at all.

00:08:56.960 I, you know, there was one point in the call that was brought up by left-wingers all over the place.

00:09:01.120 I wanted to give you the chance to kind of respond to here.

00:09:04.120 What exactly happened as far as, you mentioned a phone number in there,

00:09:08.160 and I think for some people at home, they didn't really understand what you were talking about.

00:09:11.660 Can you describe the process with judges and lawyers across the country that's being put in place?

00:09:16.520 Yeah, very often in this case, the courts, of course, are closed.

00:09:21.280 They're not open for business at night after working hours.

00:09:25.200 Very often, an attorney needs to be able to reach a judge in order to file an emergency motion.

00:09:31.680 So the example I used earlier, that when the count center in Detroit was essentially, well, let me back up.

00:09:43.600 When the Republican observers at the count center in Detroit, Michigan, were physically removed by the Detroit police,

00:09:51.760 so that the Democrats could dump their 300,000 ballots, had the Republicans been prepared,

00:09:58.860 they would have gone immediately to a judge to file an emergency order to stop that process,

00:10:05.280 or at least to admit the Republican observers.

00:10:08.600 It's a perfect example.

00:10:10.400 So your lawyers have to know how to contact a judge in those emergency circumstances.

00:10:16.740 Beyond that, I talked about technology.

00:10:20.260 Yes, there are programs in which the post office certified addresses cannot be delivered.

00:10:30.860 That leads you to believe that if an address for a registered voter can't be delivered,

00:10:36.740 well, the registered voter probably doesn't exist.

00:10:39.760 You may have to, in some counties, go to court in order to induce the Board of Elections to remove these voters from the voting list.

00:10:54.660 So that was my reference to technology.

00:10:58.220 One of my critiques of 2020 is that they did not have lawyers standing by in every swing state.

00:11:05.940 They didn't have poll watchers in every swing state.

00:11:09.760 This is one giant nothing burger, but frankly, I'm a little tired of it.

00:11:16.280 So, as I say, I will keep folks up to date on this.

00:11:21.500 I have hired, I think, one of the best lawyers in Florida.

00:11:25.120 And, well, all of these publications who republished this nothing burger by this Democratic operative posing as a liberal documentary filmmaker,

00:11:40.840 well, they can all stand and do dock together.

00:11:43.360 By the way, I believe that she also illegally recorded two Supreme Court justices.

00:11:51.840 This is the demented activities of the far left.

00:11:56.620 And as you point out, she's not a documentary filmmaker.

00:11:59.960 She's a Democratic operative.

00:12:01.720 But she's going to be one with a much lighter checkbook by the time I'm finished. 0.77

00:12:06.940 All right.

00:12:07.580 Let's move on.

00:12:09.100 I have a very special guest today.

00:12:12.300 Dylan Allman is someone I met online, mainly because I was extraordinarily impressed by a piece that he wrote about the Kennedy assassination.

00:12:23.540 Now, Dylan is a supporter of Robert F. Kennedy.

00:12:29.180 That's not germane to our conversation today.

00:12:32.500 I certainly respect that.

00:12:35.260 But I've been so impressed with his journalistic efforts that I have republished several of them on The Stone Zone with, of course, his byline.

00:12:46.560 So, Dylan Allman joins us today.

00:12:51.320 Hey, everyone.

00:12:52.360 How's it going?

00:12:52.800 It's nice to finally meet you, you know, digitally, Roger.

00:12:56.980 It's been a little bit.

00:12:59.840 Yeah, we have a cyber relationship, I guess.

00:13:04.580 Dylan, you have an interesting personal story.

00:13:08.700 That might be a very good place to start.

00:13:12.940 Tell us, you know, kind of where you came from, what you've done, your experiences as a conscientious objector, something else I respect.

00:13:21.120 I want to people, I want people, before we get into your journalism, I want people to know who you are.

00:13:27.800 Well, my name is Dylan Allman.

00:13:30.040 I have a little bit of a presence online on really mostly Twitter.

00:13:34.580 I grew up in a family that was very religiously conservative.

00:13:40.720 Both of my parents were cops.

00:13:44.360 My stepfather now is in the Secret Service.

00:13:49.120 While President Trump was in office, he was on the presidential detail.

00:13:53.040 So I did get to go with him and attend one of the White House Christmas parties, which was definitely an interesting experience.

00:14:01.100 Once I graduated from high school, I waited about a year or two working, and then I joined the Army.

00:14:08.600 And I worked in the Army as a systems maintainer and integrator for the intelligence section.

00:14:17.240 So I had a clearance and all of that.

00:14:18.720 At some point, I did develop my principles in respect to a lot of, like, libertarian values.

00:14:30.720 I'm not particularly a religious person, but I did see what was going on in the Army, did think about what the implications were principally,

00:14:40.640 and decided that this was something that was not compatible with my closely hold moral beliefs.

00:14:48.740 So I went down the process of leaving as a conscientious objector, which took about a year.

00:14:55.060 Granted, this was during COVID, so it was definitely much more difficult and a much more elongated process to get through

00:15:03.420 because, you know, the bureaucratic tape was, like, tripled at that time.

00:15:07.900 But I went through having to do a hearing, an investigation, interviews by the chaplain, a psychiatric evaluation.

00:15:20.420 I had to write up multiple pages, you know, really giving my case on why these beliefs are sincere, what they are,

00:15:28.620 how they're incompatible with military service.

00:15:30.900 And then that eventually had to go all the way up the chain, up to the Pentagon, which obviously takes a long time.

00:15:38.720 And they eventually approved me separating from the military.

00:15:44.640 And so I was in for almost four years at that point.

00:15:49.080 I left. I moved to Austin.

00:15:51.660 I met my now wife.

00:15:54.280 We got married, bought a house.

00:15:57.860 So now I'm here.

00:15:59.240 So, I guess my first question is, you know, the mainstream media and academia have certain narratives that they have formulated.

00:16:15.520 Let's take the Kennedy assassination as a perfect example.

00:16:20.020 And CNN, for example, also CBS particularly, have pushed the Warren Commission, Lee Harvey Oswald, lone nut, no-co-conspirators, acting alone, killed John F. Kennedy.

00:16:38.140 Interestingly enough, the most recent Gallup poll on this question shows that almost 63 percent of the American people,

00:16:46.420 despite the fact being spoon-fed that narrative for years, they don't believe it.

00:16:54.100 You wrote a particularly good investigative piece on the Kennedy assassination.

00:17:01.520 Kind of review that for us, if you will.

00:17:03.740 Well, as you're going down sort of this political pathway, you know, I'm only 26, and I've only been, you know, really political over the last, you know, six or seven years.

00:17:17.100 You start to kind of pick apart some of these established narratives around certain things.

00:17:22.760 And, you know, it starts off very vanilla at first, and then you really start to pull back the tape.

00:17:29.220 And you're like, wow, there's all this that's just not true.

00:17:34.140 And when you start looking at the official narrative of the JFK assassination, I'm, you know, I'm surprised and I'm not surprised that only 63 percent of people don't believe the story.

00:17:48.700 Because, like you said, we are kind of spoon-fed.

00:17:51.800 It does take a little bit of effort to push back and question official narratives.

00:17:58.660 You know, people have jobs.

00:17:59.780 They have stuff that they're doing.

00:18:01.060 They're taking care of their families.

00:18:02.480 Not everybody has the luxury to question these things. 0.99

00:18:07.820 But as soon as you do, the Warren Commission is just absolute horseshit.

00:18:14.340 You know, it's very interesting to me that there is still a group of people that look at the established narrative, see kind of the pushback on it, and still go, oh, no. 0.96

00:18:27.360 You know, Oswald killed Kennedy alone.

00:18:30.300 The official narrative is all perfect.

00:18:32.480 You know, you can have theories about what actually happened, you know, who was behind it, all of this.

00:18:40.140 But at the end of the day, there's not a whole lot of super concrete evidence.

00:18:46.840 You know, that's why there's so many theories this way and that way.

00:18:49.700 However, what is unquestionable is the inconsistencies with the Warren Commission, which are just all over the place, and then also just the very obvious cover-up that took place after the assassination.

00:19:08.720 And there's mountains and mountains and there's mountains and there's mountains and there's mountains and mountains of evidence for those two things alone.

00:19:13.920 So anybody that just accepts the official narrative knowing that, that's just beyond me.

00:19:23.000 I'm not sure I understand that at all.

00:19:24.740 I understand, you know, getting in the nitty-gritty and, you know, disagreeing on these little details.

00:19:30.460 But I feel like there's just no question that at least the official narrative is inaccurate.

00:19:38.540 We know that for sure.

00:19:40.920 Yeah, there are so many small things that people don't know.

00:19:46.920 For example, when President Kennedy landed in Fort Worth, or I should, departed Fort Worth for Dallas, well, for the merchandise mark, both the airport and the merchandise mark are outside the city of Dallas.

00:20:07.380 Why the motorcade looped into the city of Dallas to go through Dealey Plaza, a place where the presidential limousine was required to come to a full stop at a stop sign, which is a total violation of the Secret Service manual, is a perfect example.

00:20:27.580 Well, that particular motorcade route was dictated by Governor John Connolly, the Texas governor, who was, of course, a close ally, former administrative assistant, to Lyndon Baines Johnson.

00:20:41.200 Also, for example, there had been a plastic bubble top on the presidential limousine because of the rain, but the rain had broken.

00:20:55.020 The sun was coming out, but it was Lyndon Johnson aide Bill Moyers who went to the Secret Service and ordered them to remove the bubble top.

00:21:05.720 Now, the bubble top was not bulletproof, but it was also not opaque, which meant that a gunman could not get a clear aim, a clear headshot on John F. Kennedy.

00:21:21.560 So it was Lyndon Johnson who gave the order to remove the bubble top.

00:21:27.540 That is just a perfect example of one of the many anomalies.

00:21:31.620 Here's another one of my favorites.

00:21:35.540 Lee Harvey Oswald definitely killed Kennedy because he killed Officer J.D. Tippett.

00:21:42.220 Here's the problem with that.

00:21:44.400 Whoever did kill Tippett did so with an automatic.

00:21:49.580 We know that from the spent shells that were found on the ground at the location of the shooting.

00:21:55.220 But Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested shortly thereafter in a Texas movie theater, but he's brandishing a revolver.

00:22:04.380 Not possible to shoot somebody with a revolver, but leave behind the spent shell of an automatic.

00:22:12.440 These are just two of the small anomalies that I find interesting.

00:22:18.320 Another one of my favorites, Malcolm Kilduff was the deputy press secretary for President John F. Kennedy.

00:22:28.320 You can go see the very emotional video on YouTube because it fell to him to announce that President Kennedy was dead.

00:22:39.020 Shortly thereafter, he is in the elevator with the new president, Lyndon Johnson, and he says, Mr. President, this is so horrible.

00:22:51.600 Who would do this?

00:22:53.020 Who would kill our president?

00:22:55.760 Johnson says, according to Kilduff's memoirs, it was a communist, son.

00:23:03.520 A communist, sir?

00:23:04.620 What kind of communist?

00:23:05.700 It was a Russian communist, son. 0.87

00:23:09.680 Lee Harvey Oswald had not yet been apprehended.

00:23:13.680 How could Lyndon Johnson possibly know that it was a Russian communist who killed John F. Kennedy?

00:23:21.320 So it's these kind of anomalies.

00:23:24.080 And this is something, Dylan, you've been really good at digging out in your writing that I think give people who aren't familiar with the story

00:23:35.040 or who have previously bought the Warren Commission narrative a second look at the question.

00:23:42.960 Troy, do you have a question for our special guest, Dylan Allman?

00:23:48.040 Absolutely.

00:23:48.520 So what would you say is the most shocking aspect of the official Warren Commission?

00:23:55.180 Like, you were looking at this, you're just a couple of years older than me, so you obviously weren't alive for this.

00:24:00.140 You weren't around for many of these people.

00:24:01.820 What was your biggest takeaway?

00:24:04.480 What was the thing that was most shocking to you that kind of put the knife through the heart of the Warren Commission?

00:24:08.500 That's an interesting question.

00:24:11.600 And I want to answer that in a second, but I did want to compliment Roger, your book.

00:24:19.280 I don't know if you can see it.

00:24:20.600 I have it on display back here.

00:24:22.240 But whenever I – you sent me a signed copy of your book whenever I published that piece that you're talking about.

00:24:29.060 And it's – I really appreciated it because it has such a very cohesive story from start to finish.

00:24:36.260 It really paints that picture of Lyndon Johnson up and to the point of the assassination.

00:24:43.200 And I think a lot of – I've read a few books on the Kennedy assassination.

00:24:48.260 A lot of these can really get into the weeds about all these specific details, and it's not super cohesive and have like a timeline and everything.

00:24:57.040 So I really appreciated that and really enjoyed your book.

00:25:03.180 So I just wanted to say that.

00:25:04.940 One of the things that really stuck out to me in the book that I've brought up to a few people is that part where you're talking about Lyndon Johnson's character.

00:25:16.720 And you mentioned that he had – I forget where the location was, but he had a designated abortion clinic that he would send his secretaries to go and get abortions every time he would get them pregnant and would just have this like cycle going through.

00:25:34.660 And that's just insane to me.

00:25:37.180 You know, whatever your opinion is on abortion, that's like – that's just the most insane abuse of power that you could ever imagine.

00:25:47.480 And it's not – it shouldn't be crazy to anyone that somebody of that character would be above doing something like getting the president of the United States murdered so they could get into their spot.

00:26:01.980 So I think that you very masterfully painted a picture of Johnson that is definitely a really good case against him for sure.

00:26:13.780 I think that people that don't question the official narrative are pretty goofy to me because it's very clear that John F. Kennedy had so many enemies in very high-up places, including Johnson, Allen Dulles, you know, some of these guys from the mafia, J. Edgar Hoover, and really pushing against the grain in all these different ways. 0.94

00:26:41.100 That to be like, oh, well, there's no chance of this ever being the case, I think that's really dumb.

00:26:49.180 I think one of the most glaring issues in the Warren Commission is their lack of talking to enough people.

00:27:02.400 They basically just like ignored a lot of all of the relevant witnesses that would have blown the case wide open.

00:27:11.020 It's their blatant ignoring of very important evidence and also all of the people that just mysteriously died right before either the commission or, you know, the House Select Committee just dying right beforehand.

00:27:30.160 And like the story with Johnny Rosselli, where they just found him cut up in pieces, you know, in the middle of a body of water three days before he was supposed to go and testify.

00:27:41.420 You know, there are so many little details of a cover-up that just frankly shouldn't be ignored, but they are often just completely ignored.

00:27:52.440 Or how is this just a coincidence after coincidence after coincidence after coincidence?

00:27:56.640 At some point, you got to think, man, there's something going on here, especially when there's mountains of evidence that, you know, Oswald didn't do it.

00:28:07.500 But, you know, having the witnesses that saw him just sitting there eating lunch 90 seconds after the shot goes off, just completely unbothered, this dude sipping on a Diet Coke, if he would have just shot the president, he would have had to sprint all the way downstairs, sit there and just act like he's eating lunch.

00:28:31.500 That's crazy to me, but these witnesses conveniently ignored by the Warren Commission, it's very clear to me that there's foul play going on, and I don't understand why people just completely ignore it.

00:28:47.540 I do have a question for you, Roger, so looking back on how there seemed to be this sort of concerted effort to paint Patrice Lumumba during the time whenever Kennedy was coming into office as like this crazy communist to just completely discredit him when obviously that was not the case.

00:29:13.060 He just wasn't falling in line with the CIA and what they wanted.

00:29:19.320 How much of you think that, like, goes on today?

00:29:22.140 I think that's very obviously there's a lot of that.

00:29:24.820 You know, how compromised do you think that the corporate press is?

00:29:29.580 Do you think it's, I mean, just nothing they say is true, all of it is propaganda?

00:29:35.980 There seems to, there's probably some sort of middle ground there.

00:29:38.660 Do you think that it's a continuation of Project Mockingbird?

00:29:41.840 Do you think that's still a thing?

00:29:45.420 Excellent question.

00:29:46.420 First of all, for those of you unfamiliar, Project Mockingbird was an operation in which the Central Intelligence Agency paid the sometimes prominent journalists on the side to write news the way they wanted it written.

00:30:04.220 Interestingly enough, Project Mockingbird really is more fully understood when one of the two famous Watergate reporters, Bob Woodward, and his partner, Carl Bernstein, who were making millions of dollars, who were celebrities.

00:30:24.980 But Woodward invested his money in real estate, lived a more sedate lifestyle, whereas Carl Bernstein was more into, shall we say, wine, women, and song.

00:30:38.140 And Bernstein, at some point, ran out of cash.

00:30:44.020 Woodward was beginning to do Watergate-related projects without him.

00:30:49.280 And Bernstein wrote a seminal piece for Rolling Stone, of all people, fully exposing Operation Mockingbird, the fact that the CIA had been paying journalists.

00:31:03.300 This was Woodward, pardon me, this was Bernstein's way of saying, if you think you're going to cut me out, I know a lot of secrets.

00:31:12.400 To go to your question, as my friend Sean Hannity says, journalism in America is dead.

00:31:19.020 There was a time, for example, that the New York Times was recognized as a so-called newspaper of record.

00:31:27.940 Yes, it's true that there was kind of a liberal lean, a liberal tint to its news coverage.

00:31:37.580 Juxtapose that to today.

00:31:40.380 Literally, with a few exceptions, virtually nothing written at the New York Times today is true or accurate.

00:31:47.400 It is a narrative.

00:31:50.760 I said in the earlier segment, look how, when this documentary filmmaker produces an innocuous video in which all of the legal steps that Republicans must pursue in order to ensure that we have a free, fair, honest, and transparent election.

00:32:11.080 As soon as she puts her video out, Rolling Stone, Raw Story, The Daily Beast, The True News Syndicate, they all jump in and amplify what is, in this case, a false narrative.

00:32:30.680 So I do think the role of the media has changed very radically, and I really don't think virtually anything in the legacy media today can be relied on in terms of being factual.

00:32:48.060 The Russian collusion hoax is probably the single best example of that.

00:32:54.520 We now know definitively, based on the final report of John Durham, which has a lot of gaps in it,

00:33:02.320 but there is no question that at the highest level of the U.S. government, those involved, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Susan Rice, the National Security Advisor, Valerie Jarrett, the White House de facto chief of staff,

00:33:24.500 FBI Director Brennan, FBI Director Brennan, CIA Director Comey, they know from the get-go that the Steele dossier is a fraud.

00:33:35.720 Andrew Weissman knew it when he was the general counsel to the FBI, yet they used it as the rationale,

00:33:43.300 and they harnessed the full authority of the U.S. government and the extraordinary capabilities of our intelligence agencies,

00:33:54.500 to attempt to stage a coup to remove Donald Trump.

00:34:00.260 So, yes, I think it's conceivable that Operation Mockingbird continues.

00:34:06.100 Perhaps reporters are being paid.

00:34:08.040 But in other cases, they may be reporting the news just because of their own biased viewpoint.

00:34:19.120 Reporters were supposed to not interpret the news.

00:34:22.360 They were just to support the – report the facts.

00:34:25.820 That's what Troy does at slingshot.news.

00:34:30.140 Troy, do you have a comment or a question for Dylan?

00:34:34.300 Well, I'll just say, you know, Roger, about the media.

00:34:36.360 It's such a trying time for us in the media because you have these large institutions that safeguard against people who have an individual opinion.

00:34:47.860 And I've seen it – you know, Dylan, I'll tell you just from what I've seen.

00:34:51.260 You know, the people that I've encountered that are in the structures of media that are really – the ones that are pulling the strings.

00:34:58.180 I'm talking about the people who really control these online outlets, the people who really push the false narratives out there.

00:35:03.880 They are compromised.

00:35:05.520 And I've had – you know, I've worked for several organizations, and now I'm doing my own thing, of course.

00:35:10.140 But every time, I found myself leaving the organization because they were angry with something that I reported because as an independent reporter, sometimes you have to bring things up that are not exactly, let's say, the most clean things.

00:35:27.180 You know, you talk about crimes.

00:35:28.540 You talk about things that people have done.

00:35:30.160 And it's not exactly something that is not controversial.

00:35:34.380 It's very controversial what you have to do as a journalist.

00:35:37.600 And there is a push by those in the mainstream media and by those who control the levers of our media today in general to kind of weed out anybody who's doing anything slightly based in truth, which I happen to see it as if you're reporting the truth, it's going to be controversial.

00:35:55.560 If you're reporting the facts, it's going to be controversial because in a world where nobody does that, you know, in a world where everybody lies, the truth is controversial.

00:36:04.100 And that's where we're at, Dylan.

00:36:05.760 I think you probably see this as somebody who reads these publications, somebody – especially you've seen the media coverage of RFK Jr.

00:36:13.840 It's been some of the most unbelievable coverage we've seen.

00:36:17.580 And then you take into account they publish all this misinformation about Robert F. Kennedy, and then they refuse to give him Secret Service protection.

00:36:25.880 I mean, I'd love to hear your comment on that.

00:36:27.480 What is that all about?

00:36:28.660 It speaks to the JFK thing.

00:36:30.340 It speaks to everything we've talked about here today.

00:36:32.420 I think the Secret Service thing is a pretty simple answer.

00:36:38.400 I think it's an attempt to drain his campaign of funds.

00:36:43.600 You know, it costs a lot of money to protect somebody like Robert Kennedy Jr., someone, you know, a popular presidential candidate touring the United States, someone with his family past, his family history.

00:36:57.200 You know, he's spending millions of dollars month upon month for his own private protection.

00:37:03.800 And I think that this is an effort to force him to continue to keep paying for his own private protection so he can't use that money for his campaign in other respects. 0.98

00:37:19.200 I think that that's dumb. 0.92

00:37:22.240 You know, this is somebody's life that we're talking about. 0.97

00:37:24.520 I don't know how much I would trust the Secret Service.

00:37:28.800 I mean, I don't I don't somebody from his family past knowing a lot of the things that the Secret Service were complicit in back when his uncle was assassinated.

00:37:41.440 I don't know how much I would trust them.

00:37:43.260 But, you know, maybe, you know, maybe, you know, something I don't.

00:37:47.000 But, yeah, I think that that that's essentially what's going on there.

00:37:52.260 I did want to bring up one thing.

00:37:54.540 I was reading through that book by David Talbot.

00:37:59.400 I know I'm positive you're familiar, the Devil's Chessboard, talking about Alan Dulles and the Kennedy assassination and the formation of the CIA.

00:38:12.300 And there was one part that was really telling to me.

00:38:15.240 I wrote this down, it says, Dulles, when talking about appearing before members of Congress back in the 50s and 60s, they would tell him, we don't want to hear about that.

00:38:30.820 You know, they wanted to remain blissfully ignorant to all of the distasteful things that they just they knew in the back of their head that the government was up to.

00:38:38.440 Now, you fast forward to today, you have people in Congress that are groaning audibly whenever they're asked to have a recorded vote.

00:38:50.940 I don't know if you remember back during closer to COVID, Thomas Massey essentially forced members of Congress to go up and have a recorded vote.

00:39:00.980 And you can hear them groan, these grown people that have a job to represent us are groaning because they don't want to be on the hook for things that they're voting for.

00:39:12.140 And they don't even read the bills that they're voting for.

00:39:15.080 These are thousands and thousands of pages and they have 48 hours to read them. 1.00

00:39:18.960 You know, no one's reading that shit. 0.99

00:39:21.400 And I think that that's so telling just how far we've come to just nothing. 0.99

00:39:28.000 These people don't represent us.

00:39:30.100 They don't care if the CIA was getting away with this kind of stuff back in the 60s.

00:39:37.900 I can only imagine what they're getting away with now.

00:39:40.860 I mean, you just see more and more as these people get more complicit and more cushy.

00:39:47.260 And you don't see any hardly any members of Congress actually taking a stand for things that matter.

00:39:52.820 And so I can only imagine what's going on today.

00:39:57.500 You know, we didn't hear about a lot of the stuff that happened in, you know, the 40s, 50s and 60s until there was a an effort like a investigation and committees to pull these documents, you know, from the shadows.

00:40:13.680 So I can only imagine what's happened since then.

00:40:16.820 Roger, do you have any hope for or do you think it will ever happen again where we have another one of these very publicized like House committees or, you know, the Assassination Records Review Board back in the 90s?

00:40:37.560 Do you think do you have any faith that something like that could happen again?

00:40:41.640 Because that would be that would be phenomenal if if, you know, Trump's talking about when he gets into office actually releasing the records this time.

00:40:50.480 Do you think that there's stuff in there that will really blow a hole in this?

00:40:55.400 Do you do you think that that's what do you think about that?

00:41:00.160 Well, you raise a couple of very good topics.

00:41:02.640 Let me take them one by one.

00:41:04.240 I kind of agree with Troy.

00:41:07.780 It's outrageous enough that they will not give Secret Service protection to Robert Kennedy.

00:41:14.720 Now, look, I'm not I'm not a supporter of Robert Kennedy.

00:41:17.820 I like a number of his issue positions, but it's more than that.

00:41:22.360 They stir up hate against him.

00:41:25.280 In the media, and then they won't give him protection.

00:41:29.700 You're right.

00:41:30.580 It is to drain the resources of his campaign.

00:41:33.120 He has to spend millions of dollars.

00:41:35.800 His father and his uncle were both murdered.

00:41:39.480 He's controversial.

00:41:41.880 But so they they foster this atmosphere of hate against him, calling him all kinds of names.

00:41:49.580 So you have to really wonder whether it's more than just the money, also whether it's more than just the status.

00:41:59.100 In other words, with Secret Service protection, it connotes a certain credibility as a candidate.

00:42:06.320 But they gave Secret Service protection to Nikki Haley, for God's sakes, when she when she never won a primary. 1.00

00:42:17.200 But legally, she was required.

00:42:20.380 It's interesting that the protection of presidential candidates by the Secret Service grows out of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy Sr.

00:42:32.260 It was after Kennedy was killed in Los Angeles.

00:42:35.940 And, by the way, Dylan, I think that should be your next investigative piece, because no one has ever done a first rate, exhaustive examination of the murder of Robert Kennedy.

00:42:48.280 Some of Robert Kennedy Jr.'s comments, particularly in an excellent interview with Mike Tyson, of all people, very, very hard to find on the Internet, by the way, because for some reason they've chosen to censor it.

00:43:04.420 But it's excellent in terms of laying out the falsehoods pertaining to Robert F. Kennedy Sr.'s murder.

00:43:16.840 No, I don't think I don't think the Congress will ever have the kind of exhaustive investigative committee.

00:43:26.200 For example, I think we need one right now to look at the January 6th investigation.

00:43:32.120 And in the greater sense, January 6th, we know a lot of things.

00:43:37.620 We know that the January 6th committee suburned perjury by a number of their witnesses, specifically in my case, in the case of General Flynn, Cassidy Hutchison, whose statements under oath are just completely and provably false.

00:43:53.280 They use manipulated videos, they use manipulated videos, they manipulate the videos, both in terms of content, they turn volume up on some things, turn volume down.

00:44:09.620 The fact that the speaker would not accept the three Republicans recommended by the minority leader then, but chose three non-Trump-supporting Republicans is suspect in itself.

00:44:28.160 So if that was the last investigative hearing of any merit, that was a fraud, that was a criminal fraud.

00:44:38.240 I don't think you're ever going to get, for example, I'd like to see an exhaustive investigation into the origins of the COVID-19 vaccination.

00:44:48.300 That would be a good use of the taxpayers' money.

00:44:51.500 No, I don't think we're ever going to see that, sadly.

00:44:58.200 There's no courage in the Congress.

00:45:01.420 They, never mind the Democrats, who, to their credit, at least they march in lockstep and they have great unity in their caucus.

00:45:10.740 Whereas the Republicans are badly divided between those establishment Republicans who just don't want to rock the boat, who just want to get reelected and kind of like the status quo, and then more courageous members of Congress who are more reform-oriented.

00:45:28.720 But that means that Speaker Johnson, of whom I have some criticism, people say, well, why doesn't he impeach Biden, or why doesn't he do this, or why doesn't he do that?

00:45:38.880 He's got to get every member of his caucus to agree to anything because the Republican control is so very narrow.

00:45:48.420 One other thing that I thought I would mention, which I will send you something on this, Dylan, I think you'll find it fascinating.

00:45:57.220 There's been a lot of speculation about whether Joe Biden uses a body double.

00:46:02.180 People look at various pictures of him, and admittedly, he looks different in different pictures.

00:46:08.860 President Lyndon Johnson most definitely used a body double.

00:46:12.940 Phil Nelson, who very recently passed away, a good friend of mine, one of the most comprehensive researchers and authors, wrote two volumes on Kennedy, LBJ, Mastermind of the Kennedy Assassination, and then LBJ, The Colossus.

00:46:33.720 Also wrote an excellent book on the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, which he concludes was not done by James Earl Ray.

00:46:43.560 But Nelson points out that Lyndon Johnson had a cousin who looked amazingly like him, and he would often use his cousin as a decoy so that Johnson could, in essence, be in two places at once.

00:47:02.480 So Johnson was seen in Fort Worth on the evening of November 21st, when, in fact, there are multiple witnesses that have him in Dallas at the home of oil man and Kennedy hater, Clint Murchison.

00:47:22.280 After Johnson became president, he learned that his cousin had signed a lucrative television deal to play Lyndon Johnson in a television series.

00:47:36.980 Shortly thereafter, somebody rang the doorbell at Lyndon Johnson's cousin's home.

00:47:43.820 When he opened the door, he was shot and killed.

00:47:47.740 All of this is documented in Phil Nelson's book.

00:47:51.340 So the idea of a president using a body double is not so far-fetched.

00:47:58.460 If you go and examine some of the pictures, I'm fairly convinced that the Hillary Clinton who emerges on, I believe it was Memorial Day, after she had collapsed and been removed from the scene,

00:48:14.000 the Hillary Clinton, the Hillary Clinton who comes out from a distance to wave at the press, is not the real Hillary Clinton.

00:48:22.320 I just used that as an example.

00:48:25.600 Troy, your thoughts?

00:48:27.000 Well, you know, Roger, as far as the body double thing, I find it incredibly interesting that that was utilized by Lyndon Baines Johnson. 1.00

00:48:35.040 My question would be, you know, how do they get the body double to act as stupid as Joe Biden acts or as demented as Joe Biden acts? 0.99

00:48:44.000 You know, that would seem to me to be one hell of a trick. 1.00

00:48:46.620 But, no, it speaks to me to the underhanded nature of those in the political class.

00:48:52.800 You know, it's constantly about tricking the American public, Roger.

00:48:56.640 And you've seen this politically, that Trump is the agent of change in this regard.

00:49:01.700 And that Trump is really the first political candidate for a major party to break that mold of control,

00:49:07.880 to break that mold of people who are looking to fool the American public and instead looking to stand for the American public.

00:49:14.680 And I think that is a, we'll call it irreparable change to the U.S. political system as we know it.

00:49:23.820 Because for the first time in, really since JFK, I believe, the American people have a representative that's going to fight for them,

00:49:32.900 that's going to stand for them, and isn't going to back down.

00:49:35.460 More importantly, isn't going to engage in these underhanded tactics where they're trying to fool the American public.

00:49:42.540 I think that it speaks to, you know, the underhandedness and where we're going as far as, you know,

00:49:48.840 having legitimate candidates that actually do things for the American people.

00:49:52.220 I don't see any going back from the Trump era.

00:49:55.880 And I'd be interested to hear Dylan's thoughts on that as well as an RFK supporter.

00:49:58.860 Because I think RFK really, you know, if you look at 2016 Trump and RFK now, there are some similarities.

00:50:05.880 I would say more similarities than you see with, say, a Hillary Clinton or a Joe Biden.

00:50:11.040 Yeah, I think that's definitely a good point.

00:50:13.240 I think that's a huge, I mean, probably most of, you know, Donald Trump's support comes from people that are just really disenfranchised from the system and are just tired of being lied to.

00:50:24.240 I mean, I'm, you know, when I'm deciding who, which candidate I prefer, I mean, most of it comes from, I just want someone to be honest with me.

00:50:34.840 You know, someone that is going to have a body double. 1.00

00:50:37.580 I mean, you can see these videos of Biden, dude.

00:50:39.700 I mean, maybe, maybe it's just like film magic or something.

00:50:44.100 But dude, like, it looks like he's wearing a mask, like his earlobe thing.

00:50:48.800 It's just so goofy.

00:50:50.380 At the very least, it does not inspire confidence in me that this is not a body double.

00:50:58.000 But yeah, that's what I look for in a candidate is someone that I can trust, someone that will actually do what they think is right.

00:51:07.260 You know, like moments during John F. Kennedy's presidency where he, all of his advisors told him to do something where he was like, that's just not right.

00:51:17.120 We're not doing that. And ultimately, that's probably what got him killed.

00:51:20.940 But, you know, that's something that I admire in a leader, somebody that pushes back on that sort of ideological conformity, thinks for themselves, does what's right, actually exercises critical thinking and is honest with the American people.

00:51:37.600 Because that's all we're looking for.

00:51:39.520 You know, when we look at these people are supposed to be representing us.

00:51:42.320 And if they're not telling us the truth, what the hell are they representing?

00:51:46.620 You know, some sort of facade, some sort of robotic image.

00:51:50.860 Like, that doesn't inspire confidence in me in any way.

00:51:53.720 And I don't even think that that should be considered leadership at all.

00:51:57.240 Because they're not leading anything.

00:51:58.940 They're just getting on stage and looking the part.

00:52:02.140 And a leader, to me, is someone that helps push me in the right direction.

00:52:09.420 A leader isn't, hey, listen to what I say.

00:52:12.940 This is the truth.

00:52:13.800 A leader is, this is what I think is right.

00:52:16.480 I want you to think for yourself.

00:52:19.040 And I want to bring you around to convince you that what I think is right is the right way to go.

00:52:26.140 And to me, that's a leader.

00:52:28.100 And whoever most embodies that sort of mentality is the person that I, you know, tend to gravitate towards.

00:52:38.260 We have about seven minutes late.

00:52:41.500 And I do want to touch on this.

00:52:43.560 Dylan, you recently wrote an excellent piece on Watergate, taking fresh eyes on a subject.

00:52:51.520 I can tell you, having written a book on the Kennedy assassination and written two books on Watergate, the public is less interested in Watergate.

00:53:01.460 To them, it's a settled question.

00:53:03.400 Nixon was a bad guy.

00:53:05.400 His guys broke in to the Watergate.

00:53:08.720 It was a constitutional crisis.

00:53:10.480 Because he was so incredibly vilified by the monolithic media at the time, there's no public sympathy for him.

00:53:20.680 And, of course, because the Internet did not exist, he had no platform from which to launch a defense.

00:53:29.360 He basically was at the mercy of what was then a bloodthirsty, monolithic, both print and electronic media.

00:53:38.420 But you dug into this in an excellent piece.

00:53:42.900 What did you conclude?

00:53:45.860 That was definitely an interesting piece, doing the research on that and putting together.

00:53:52.340 You sent me some very valuable information.

00:53:55.240 And I think you hit on a very interesting point that him being painted as this sort of like, you know, storybook villain, this kind of, you know, Republican tough guy type, you know, smoking a cigar.

00:54:09.560 It's very easy to paint this guy as a villain.

00:54:12.200 And that's very useful when you don't want people to come to his defense, when you don't want people to be skeptical about what happened.

00:54:21.520 I think it's important to practice skepticism in, well, in every aspect of your life, but especially in parts that people are less likely to be skeptical.

00:54:35.360 Because that's much easier to push a specific narrative.

00:54:39.740 So when I look at established narratives that are taboo to question or people are less likely to go after, those are the things that are the most important to actually be skeptical of and to go after.

00:54:54.900 Because you don't know what could be hidden behind the scenes.

00:54:58.360 And I do find that very interesting because when you grow up in school, Nixon is always painted as this villain.

00:55:03.780 And it's like, hey, and, you know, we got confirmation that he was a villain because of the Watergate scandal.

00:55:11.040 And he went down, he resigned in all this.

00:55:14.380 It's this, you know, this huge storybook ending.

00:55:16.900 And like you said, he wasn't able to actually defend himself.

00:55:19.580 And no one wanted to come to his defense.

00:55:21.480 At least with JFK, you know, people kind of, you know, people liked him.

00:55:26.240 He died in, you know, such an awful way that kind of, you know, cemented his legacy at that point in time, which, you know, Nixon did not get the luxury to do.

00:55:37.640 So looking into that research and finding out that a lot of this is inconsistent, the people reporting on it were CIA assets.

00:55:47.600 And there was a lot of narratives that were pushed that were inaccurate, you know, highlighting stuff that Nixon did and ignoring everything else that happened.

00:55:56.840 Look, we get it.

00:55:57.940 Everybody has a sort of corruption that goes on.

00:56:01.860 That's kind of how politics works, you know, but highlighting just this one thing that this person did and ignoring everything else and just pushing that and being like, no, we're totally, we're totally good.

00:56:12.980 We're off the hook.

00:56:13.980 We did nothing wrong. 0.98

00:56:14.960 But this guy, he's the worst. 0.69

00:56:17.180 He needs to go. 0.99

00:56:18.400 It's very dishonest. 1.00

00:56:19.880 And I think it's very important to push back on people like that because, you know, I don't like it when people get away with shit like that. 0.99

00:56:28.420 You know, I'm a huge, you know, I just, I hate that. 0.96

00:56:34.920 I really appreciate justice whenever it's necessary and having this sort of shadowy government in the background that can just do whatever they want without accountability and can push whatever narratives they want to destroy whoever they want and are just always going to be in power no matter what.

00:56:51.060 I hate that.

00:56:52.040 I hate that.

00:56:52.680 That's one of the main, also one of the main driving factors on who I prefer to support for office is someone who I think I can trust the most to actually push back on the deep state and actually make a difference.

00:57:09.120 And so, you know, whoever ends that, whoever that ends up being, I'm definitely going to root for them.

00:57:15.680 That's for sure.

00:57:17.180 All right.

00:57:18.040 Unfortunately, we are out of time.

00:57:20.620 I want to thank our guest, Dylan Allman.

00:57:22.780 I strongly urge you to go to his page on X.

00:57:27.280 We have his handle right there on the screen.

00:57:31.440 Excellent writer.

00:57:32.580 And Dylan, I really strongly urge you now to tackle the Robert F. Kennedy assassination.

00:57:41.000 The Los Angeles Police Department had to be willfully screwing up this investigation because no investigation could have been conducted.

00:57:50.620 That poorly.

00:57:52.160 I think there's a great, great story there.

00:57:55.000 Let me thank you again for joining us today in the Stone Zone.

00:58:00.120 Thank you, Roger.

00:58:01.220 I really appreciate it coming on.

00:58:03.800 All right.

00:58:04.700 And thanks to our guest, Dylan Allman.

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