Will a NY Judge Jail Trump Next Week？ With Trump Impeachment Lawyer David Schoen
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In this episode of The Stone Zone, host Roger Stone is joined by David Schoen, who represented President Donald Trump in one of the impeachment proceedings on the floor of the U.S. Senate. The two discuss the ongoing saga surrounding the so-called "Hush Money" case against President Trump and his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, as well as the ongoing efforts by the Trump team to delay the case and seek a delay in sentencing. Stone and Schoen also discuss the possibility of the case going to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, and what that could mean for the President's case and the potential for a reversal of the sentence. The episode also touches on the role of lawfare in the case, and how it relates to the ongoing investigation of the Trump campaign and the ongoing Russia investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller, who is leading the investigation into the alleged hush money agreement between Trump and a former White House lawyer named Donna Shalit Shehadeh, who has been charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice, and conspiracy to commit perjury, among other charges, and false statements, to influence the investigation and obstruct justice in order to influence, obstruct, and obstruct the investigation, and delay the investigation of a presidential election, and to obstruct and impede justice, the Stone Zone's host, Roger Stone sits down with one of America's most prominent criminal defense attorneys, David Schoonen. and discusses how the case will be handled by the Supreme Court, and why the case should be heard in federal court, not state court, rather than state court. The Second Circuit, and whether the President should be moved to federal court or federal appeals, and the process should be expedited, or should the case be transferred to federal appeals. . . , and what to do next, and who should be allowed to appeal the case in this matter, and which should be the next step in the process, and where the case might be heard, and when the case is likely to be heard and what the process will be dealt with next, etc., etc., and what will be the outcome will be next. of the process is going to be next, Stone talks about the process and what can be done, and if the case can be heard next, what s being allowed to be done next, & what s going to happen next, and what is the next steps, and so on, and much more. and so much more, and more!
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The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
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Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
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He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald
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Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts,
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spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the
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Cambridge Union Society. Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena,
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Stone has become a pop culture icon. And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.
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Welcome. I'm Roger Stone. And yes, you are back in the Stone Zone. We're very privileged to have
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with us today as our guest, David Schoen. He's one of the most prominent criminal defense and
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constitutional attorneys in the country. He represented President Donald Trump most ably
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in one of the impeachment proceedings on the floor of the U.S. Senate, someone we call on from time to
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time for his sage legal opinion. And we're pleased to have him with us today. David, welcome to the
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Stone Zone. Thank you very much. Great to be here. So, David, obviously it's rare that you see this
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kind of legal backdrop in a campaign for president, but from the period that President Trump announced
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that he would be running again, he became a target for what has become known as lawfare. This is an
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effort to try to first impoverish him, bankrupt him, then now incarcerate him. And of course, the larger
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issue is an attempt to blacken his name in the run-up to a presidential election. The president
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faces sentencing in a Manhattan courtroom in front of Judge Juan Marchand in the so-called hush money
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case, which seems to be to be a pretty thin case to begin with. He went to the federal courts to try to
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get a delay in this proceedings, but that evidently yesterday was denied. So, give us your view here,
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an overview of what's likely to happen and how this particular aspect of lawfare plays out.
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So, the effort, most recent effort to go to federal court before Judge Alvin Hellerstein in the United
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States District Court for the Southern District of New York was the second attempt. They were before
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Judge Alvin Hellerstein when the case started and he rejected their efforts. There's a federal statute,
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28 U.S.C. 1442 A.1, that allows a government official who has a criminal case brought in state
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court to try to remove the case to federal court if the conduct at issue is an act related to any act
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taken under color of the office that the person held. And so, that was the theory here that some of the
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facts alleged in the New York case before Judge Merchant, the so-called hush money case, were taken,
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if at all, when President Trump was president. And therefore, they related to his office and the
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case should be moved to federal court. Judge Hellerstein rejected that some time ago and no
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appeal was taken. They now, the Trump team now moved again before this sentencing to ask Judge
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Hellerstein to take it up again, raising two grounds, essentially. One, that Judge Merchant is biased and
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should have recused himself and refuses to do that. And the second, the same argument that it
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relates to an act taken, an official act, let's call it, and that the immunity decision from the Supreme
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Court changes the analysis from the first time Judge Hellerstein heard it. And now, since we know that
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some of the acts involved were acts taken after President Trump was president, there has to be an
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examination of whether those acts are covered by immunity as official acts, and therefore, the case
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should be in federal court. Judge Hellerstein kind of summarily dismissed it all last night and said
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nothing has happened, no decision, no facts alleged have occurred that would change his opinion. So, it's
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back to Judge Merchant. Apparently, now, the Trump team is going to appeal it to the United States Court of
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Appeals for the Second Circuit, and we'll ask Judge Merchant again to postpone the sentencing while that
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appeal runs its course. What is the makeup of the Second Circuit, and any thoughts on how they might
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rule? I understand the courts are entirely nonpolitical, except, of course, when they are. I said that, you
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didn't. How do you think that plays out? Well, the Second Circuit is kind of all over the place,
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both ends of the spectrum. There are a few more recent appointees that, good and bad, let's say,
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for an issue like this. I don't think it's likely that the Second Circuit will take it up. There's this
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sort of overriding sentiment, it seems, that while this shouldn't guide judicial decisions, but an
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overriding sentiment that the case should just go before Judge Merchant and run its course in the
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state system. I will say this. I would bet dollars to donuts that the conviction will be reversed. It
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has to be reversed if the integrity of the rule of law means anything in New York. It seems to me
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President Trump was charged and convicted under a statute that was never really identified. The
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government of the state prosecutors never identified what the underlying crime was. Again,
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you know, just in a nutshell, it was a misdemeanor to make false business records, supposedly, to cover
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up with the check. First of all, to make false business records regarding checks paid to Stormy
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Daniels. And then they transform it into a felony, supposedly, by showing that that was done to commit
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or to hide some other crime. They refused to identify what this some other crime was,
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could have been to help him in the election, could have been for tax purposes, or otherwise, all
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completely different defenses. The judge refused to make the prosecution identify the crime. There's a
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clear due process violation, effective assistance of counsel violation, and so on. There's no way the verdict
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can be upheld consistent with the rule of law. And so I don't believe the DA really cares about that.
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Ultimately, they want all of this to play out before the election. They want there to be a sentencing.
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They want to be able to trumpet as they have, that this is a convicted felon running for president,
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and so on. And it's a phony set of charges, as even Trump haters have said from the start.
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Former Attorney General and Governor Cuomo in New York has said, if Trump were not running for
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president, these charges never would have been brought, in his opinion.
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One of the things that surprised me was the limitations that the judge put on President
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Trump's defense. Now, I guess I shouldn't have been surprised because the judge in my case put the
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same kind of limitations on my defense. But for example, if it is alleged that the underlying crime
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was a federal election law violation, the judge denied Trump and his lawyers the ability to call
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the former chairman, vice chairman, and general counsel to the Federal Election Commission, who's
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pretty widely viewed as the foremost expert on that law. Do those become appealable matters
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Absolutely. There's an independent defense here that he was denied the right to put on a defense,
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period. And that includes calling witnesses, putting forward theories of defense in cross
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examination and in direct testimony. It includes the jury instructions that went out. How on earth
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should a lay jury be able to decide whether he committed, he doctored up his business records
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in order to attempt to commit or to commit or to cover up some election finance violation when they
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can't possibly understand, it's not subject to lay sort of view, the federal election finance rules.
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There are many, many, as you well know, many detailed rules on what can be done, can't be done.
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And the question, of course, in this case, factually would have been, did if he even filed,
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made false business entries, was it done to cover up something for embarrassment purposes so his wife
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wouldn't find out? Do people really think that the vote for or against President Trump in that election
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was going to be determined by whether they thought he had a relationship with any particular woman or not?
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It's absurd. We had, you know, major national security issues and other important issues.
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That is, he was never permitted to put on a defense,
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and that raises all kinds of constitutional violations.
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Before we leave New York, let's speak to the other high-profile case there, Judge Ingeron,
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obviously convicted or found against President Trump on the so-called valuations case.
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This one really boggles the mind because, as I watched it, the president wasn't allowed to put on
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any defense at all. It was basically, you're guilty, now we're just going to decide how much
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you're going to pay. How do you think that case ultimately plays out?
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That's absolutely right. And here he put on an expert, he put on bank witnesses who said there
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was no laws. In fact, the banks made a lot of money off of it and that he had done nothing wrong.
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But the judge in this case, because he heard it as a bench trial rather than a jury trial,
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was able to make credibility findings and just discounted the Trump witnesses and credited
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Letitia James, Attorney General Letitia James' witnesses. Again, that case must be reversed on
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appeal for many reasons. The executive law at issue itself purports to charge fraud. It's the only
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variety of so-called fraud that doesn't require any reliance on a materially false statement of any
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kind or any loss or any victim. So it's absurd. But I think a big issue that I really don't hear
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talked about much is the denial of the jury trial in the case. This same executive law came before a
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federal judge, Louis Stanton, in the U.S. District Court, the Southern District of New York. And he
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found that in federal court, there's a right to a jury trial under the Seventh Amendment, under this exact
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same law that the state court has found there is no right to a jury trial under the state constitution.
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So there's a real tension there that I believe turns on serious issues of due process and the
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right to a jury trial. I believe that even under the New York Constitution, there was a right to
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jury trial. There's a procedural question because President Trump's lawyers didn't request, timely
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request a jury trial. But I think there's an argument there to be made that it would have been futile.
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And therefore, there can't be any constitutional waiver since there was already a case in New York that
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said you don't get the right to a jury trial. But that's a major consideration. That's a fundamental
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part of our system. The reason, by the way, that a New York state court had said there's no right to
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a jury trial is because they found that this executive law isn't really about damages. It's
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about putting some fraudster out of business or alerting the public and so on. And so they said when
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damages are incidental to the law, then there's no right to a jury trial. Here, the damages carry the
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day in the case. It's unprecedented damages, hundreds of millions of dollars. They're not
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incidental to anything. And so I think his fundamental right to a jury trial was denied.
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I wish that issue had been raised more squarely on the appeal, but I think he'll win the appeal anyway.
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So let's go back to the most danger-fraught part of this, the sentencing of President Donald Trump on
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the 18th. In the event that the judge orders him into immediate incarceration, presumably at Rikers
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Island, there are got to be serious questions regarding his ongoing Secret Service protection.
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This may not be a legal question, but logistically, I'm not even sure how that could work.
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I'm not either. It's unprecedented. You can be sure that the Attorney General in New York and the
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District Attorney will assure Judge Merchan that they can provide proper security with the Secret
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Service. They'll find a facility for it and all of that. It's a bunch of nonsense. And for anyone
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who has suggested that this was election interference, putting President Trump out of commission during
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the election season would absolutely cement that for the American public. He should go up,
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way up in the polls because of these ongoing efforts. There's no reason for any of this to be
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conducted before the election. I'm in agreement with you there. So as I understand it, until
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sentencing is complete, the president really can't file his appeal. Is that correct?
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That's correct, because there won't be a final judgment to appeal from in the case until the
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sentence has been imposed. All right. Let's move to the so-called documents case,
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which at this juncture, as you know, Judge Eileen Cannon of the 11th Circuit has ruled that special
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counsel Jack Smith's appointment was unconstitutional for a couple reasons. First of all, there's no
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provision in law for the creation of that position. Secondarily, Mr. Smith, very much like Robert Mueller,
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was never confirmed by the U.S. Senate. He was not a sitting U.S. attorney. I know that Hunter Biden's
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lawyers tried to raise this issue pertaining to special counsel David Weiss, but Weiss was a U.S.
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attorney. His authority has been confirmed by the U.S. Senate. It's interesting to see Andrew Weissman and
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Joyce Vance and all these other virulent, vicious partisans posing as unbiased legal analysts insisting
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that the ruling by Judge Cannon is in a fringe case, that it's an illegitimate theory,
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even though it was put forward by former Attorney General Ed Meese and two respected law professors,
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neither one of whom is particularly a Trump supporter, but focused solely on the law. The
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judge essentially ruled that Smith's appointment was unconstitutional. Smith has announced his
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intention. I think he may even have filed his appeal with the 11th Circuit. How do you think this plays out?
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Well, it's a fascinating case to me. As you know, also, there is a more summary decision from the D.C.
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Circuit upholding the special counsel position, notwithstanding these constitutional problems
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that Judge Cannon identified. Very importantly, I think Judge Cannon identified at least two major
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constitutional problems. The factual scenario that you've identified, no statute authorized in the office,
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no proper appointment, no confirmation by the Senate. He's not an inferior officer. And so those apply
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under the Appointments Clause of the Constitution, Article 2, Section 2, Clause 2. But she also raised
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the Appropriations Clause argument, which is very important. And that is that we only appropriate
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money for offices that have been legally authorized, and that that isn't the case here. And that's Article 1,
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Section 9, Clause 7. So that's another important argument. And that's why she heard testimony
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about, or argument at least, about this unlimited budget that Jack Smith seems to have. And by the
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way, it should go mentioned that Jack Smith has on his team, again, some of the worst prosecutors
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around. I have a sanctions motion going against J.P. Cooney and Molly Gaston, two members of his team,
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and a pending case in D.C. right now. And you certainly know J.P. Cooney. But it'll be interesting
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to see how it plays out. What's disturbing to me is that we see these so-called scholars or commentators
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suggesting this is a frivolous decision. It's not a frivolous decision by any means. And Professor
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Calabrese and Lawton from Northwestern and Boston University didn't write a frivolous argument on this
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subject. As you said, Meese wouldn't have filed it had it been frivolous. So it's a very interesting
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argument, the way it'll play out. I'm also concerned about an amicus brief that a group is trying to
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file now, run by former federal judge Nancy Gertner and NYU ethics expert Steve Gillers,
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asking the 11th Circuit, U.S. Court of Appeals, to remove Judge Cannon from the case. There is no basis
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for removing Judge Cannon. And I'd like to know where these experts and moral barometers are with
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respect to Judge Merchant, who has the clearest case of recusal or for disqualification under New
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York law of any that I've ever seen, quite frankly, given his daughter's clear conflict of interest and
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the provision in the New York ethics law for mandatory recusal when there's a possibility or a likelihood
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that a family member of the judge could have a financial interest substantially affected.
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Yeah, this is a reoccurring theme. So in other words, when a judge who was appointed, let's say, by Barack
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Obama, issues a ruling that is a politically oriented case, that's perfectly all right. So even though the
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Russian collusion hoax we now know, based on the report of special counsel John Durham, was hatched in
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the Oval Office with President Barack Obama present, Joe Biden, Susan Rice, the attorney general,
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the head of the FBI, the fact that the judge who sat on my case, the judge who sat on General Flynn's case,
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the judge who sat on Paul Manafort's case, they were all appointed by Barack Obama. You see, that was
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no problem whatsoever. Now, when Judge Cannon, who was, by the way, a respected prosecutor and highly
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regarded in the circuit, when she makes a judgment adverse to what the radical left wants,
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she's incompetent. She's unqualified. This is outrageous. She's going to be removed from the
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circuit. It's an extraordinary double standard. And they continue to insist that the issues raised by
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Attorney General Meese and ultimately by Trump's lawyers, these are fringe theories. I mean, David,
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you've read their pleadings. Are these fringe theories?
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Not at all. They're very important constitutional issues that have to be fleshed out. You know,
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I don't know who's going to win in the case. Again, the 11th Circuit, the panels are extraordinarily
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different depending on who they get. And reasonable people can differ on the issues. But I'm telling you,
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Professor Calabrese makes a very strong legal argument in his article on which these arguments
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are based. And there has to be a full and fair airing of the issues and not some attempt to
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marginalize them, as you've said, and as is going on from Neil Caddiel and Andrew Weissman and all of
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these folks mocking it on the television. This is an important civics lesson for the American people.
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And nobody should mock the application of the provisions of the Constitution that are involved
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in this case. I can't actually think of any time in American politics where the U.S. Supreme Court
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made a ruling where they were subsequently attacked on that ruling by a sitting president
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of the United States. I'm sure President Nixon wasn't happy with the Supreme Court's ruling regarding
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the requirement that he release the Watergate tapes, the so-called White House tapes. He had a legitimate
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argument that they were his personal property. The Supreme Court ruled against him. He didn't defy
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the court, nor did he attack or vilify the court. I can't remember, I can't ever remember a time
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in which a sitting president attacked the court and basically said that he doesn't intend to honor
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the court's rulings. This is kind of the beginning of the end. David, final point, because I know you're
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pressed for time, and I appreciate your being with us, the Supreme Court reforms put forward by President
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Joe Biden. I'm a layman, but I read them. It seems to me that they're a total separation, they are a total
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violation of the entire concept of the separation of powers that have served the country well for
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200 years. Your thoughts? I think it's a horrible initiative. It ties into what you just said before
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this, and that is the unprecedented attacks by the chief executive, President Biden, Vice President
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Harris, on the institution of the Supreme Court and on the individual justices. It's absolutely
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outrageous. And, you know, we hear these claims by now-candidate Harris that the Republican Party,
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anti-democratic and Donald Trump would tear apart democracy. There are no more anti-democratic
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initiatives than things like the Democratic Party has been undertaking, trying to pack the court now,
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trying to limit the terms of Supreme Court justices because they don't like their decisions,
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undermining the integrity of the court. Yeah, it's true that Supreme Court justices aren't elected,
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but they're a fundamental part of our constitutional system under Article III of the Constitution.
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These are horrible initiatives. There's so many anti-democratic statements coming out of this
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administration, candidate Harris and President Biden. And it starts with the Congress as well. You know,
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Jerry Nadler said we can't trust the voters with respect to Trump. Yes, we can. That's part of our
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democratic system, a fundamental part. The voters get to choose who their leader will be in this
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country. So we've got to stop this anti-democratic action by the Democratic Party, including, by the
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way, going into states around the country to very aggressively remove or prevent third-party candidates
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from getting on the ballot so that people have a choice other than the two. That's, again, a fundamental
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part of our constitutional system, the right to vote and the right to stand for office. And so we see the
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Democratic Party as part of what led to RFK Jr. withdrawing and throwing his support behind President
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Trump now. Final question, since you raised it. An important part of your practice has always been
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helping candidates of various parties or independent candidates get ballot access, kind of a fundamental
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right. It's interesting. The Democrats spent literally tens of millions of dollars to prevent
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Robert Kennedy from being on the ballot in various states. But now that he's withdrawn and decided to
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endorse and support President Trump, yesterday a judge denied him the ability to get his name off
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the ballot in Michigan. So first they fought his ability to get on the ballot. Now that he's on,
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but he's no longer a federal candidate, the judge in Michigan refuses to remove him from the ballot.
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Same in North Carolina. You know, they often come up with, there is this principle that on the eve of
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election, ballot printing initiatives are difficult to undertake and we don't make last-minute changes.
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They do when they want to and when they have to. There's significant precedent coming out of Chicago
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with former Mayor Washington and so on when they last minute ordered ballots to be changed. It's true,
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there are overseas ballots that are out and so on, but we have to allow people to be on the ballot or
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take people off of the ballot when it's appropriate. And it's appropriate here because it will skew the
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vote. Listen, in California, you know, they've gone to this top two primary system so that people only have
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two candidates that they can vote for. I'm about to file a constitutional challenge to that system. I believe
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it violates about many ballot access constitutional provisions. But anyway, I think the democratic system
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is to allow candidates who have some support, at least, to get on the ballot and if a candidate isn't running
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for office anymore, to get off the ballot and make that clear to people.
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All right. I'm afraid we're going to have to leave it there. I want to thank my guest, David Schoen,
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to my mind, one of the most brilliant legal minds in the United States. David, thank you so much for
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giving us your time today. Thank you very much. It's an honor, always. Yesterday, in an extraordinary
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interview with Kash Patel, the former National Security Advisor and Acting Chief of Staff of the U.S.
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Defense Department and Sean Ryan, Patel pointed out the vulnerability of our electrical grid. In fact,
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he predicted that there would be an attack to shut down America's electrical power grid. You know,
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9555 phone now. I'm Roger Stone and you're back on The Stone Zone. Florida has a constitutional
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amendment on the ballot, Amendment 3, that would legalize cannabis. That's right. It would legalize
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marijuana. At the same time, it would leave to the legislature the right to both regulate it and tax it
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and ensure its purity. Now, under this system, you would, for example, the legislature could prohibit
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public use. That way it doesn't smell like marijuana every place. I endorsed Amendment 3 several weeks
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ago, and I'm happy to say that President Donald Trump has now endorsed Amendment 3. President Trump,
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a posting on True Social, says, as everyone knows, I was and will be again the most respected
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law and order president in U.S. history. Whether we like it or not, Amendment 3 will be legalized.
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In Florida, like so many other states that have given approval, personal amounts of marijuana will
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be legalized for adults. Whether we like it or not, this will happen, though the approval of voters,
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so it must be done correctly. We need the state legislature, Trump said, to responsibly create laws
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that prohibit its public use in public spaces. So we don't have to smell marijuana everywhere we go,
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as they do in so many Democrat-run cities. At the same time, Trump wrote, someone should not be a
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criminal in Florida when it is legal in so many other states. Now, Congressman Matt Gaetz is opposed
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to Amendment 3. That's because it is being done in the form of a constitutional amendment,
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amendment, meaning the advocates of Amendment 3 went out and collected a necessary number of
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signatures and met other very strict legal requirements for the wording of constitutional
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amendments in Florida. Gaetz says that he would have preferred that this be done through the
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legislative process. That's, of course, completely unrealistic. Here's why. The only reason we have
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medicinal marijuana currently legal in Florida is through constitutional amendment. That's because
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the Republican legislature and Governor Rick Scott opposed it, and the legislature refused to either
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pass it as a law or to put it on the ballot as a constitutional amendment. Therefore, John Morgan of
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Morgan and Morgan stepped forward and put together a constitutional amendment to legalize cannabis for
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medicinal use, of course, leaving the ability to regulate that in a regulatory and distribution scheme
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to the legislature. The first time he put it on the ballot, it failed very narrowly. Constitutional
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amendments in Florida require 60 percent of the vote. Second time, to his credit, John Morgan corrected
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all of the mistakes he had made in the previous effort. He drafted a much, much better constitutional
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amendment, and it passed. Here's the problem. Florida's constitutional, pardon me, Florida's medicinal
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medical marijuana system is cumbersome, bureaucratic, extremely restrictive, limited, expensive,
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and very user unfriendly. See, under the law passed by the legislature to regulate medicinal marijuana,
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its use is only limited to a very specific list of illnesses and diseases. The system requires a license
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card, which has to be renewed. It's a nightmare. Now, I feel strongly about this because, frankly, when my own
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father was dying of cancer and he was wasting away because he had no appetite and he was in horrific
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pain, my sister and I got him cannabis, which he smoked. It both put weight on him, restored his appetite,
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and helped him ease the pain. I believe that there are veterans and many in Florida who must rely on cannabis
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for medicine. But the current system of medicinal marijuana isn't working. It's why I support Amendment
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3 and why I'm proud that President Trump now also supports this act of freedom. All right. Here's another
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interesting story I wanted to touch on. Again, broken by my friend Laura Loomer, then in the New York Post. Tim
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Waltz's older brother, Jeff Waltz, has come out against his brother's candidacy for vice president.
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Writing in the, being quoted in the New York Post, he says, I'm 100% opposed to all his ideology. Jeff Waltz
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declares Friday evening to the Post. He said he had little faith in his kid brother. I've thought long and hard about
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doing something like that. I'm torn between that and just keeping my family out of it, the 67-year-old
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Floridian wrote. The stories I could tell. Tim Waltz is not the kind of character you want making decisions
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for your future, he added. Besides Tim Waltz, he has a sister, Sandra Dietrich, who lives in Nebraska,
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where the Waltz clan grew up. Another brother, Craig Waltz, is deceased. As you can see now,
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all the members of the Waltz family, other than perhaps Tim Waltz's wife, are now opposing his
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candidacy. The other thing that caught my interest this week was Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris seems to
00:34:25.640
be out front for the censorship of X. X, which used to be known as Twitter. X, which is fundamentally
00:34:33.720
a free speech site. Let's take a look at Kamala Harris. He has lost his privileges and it should
00:34:40.440
be taken down. And the bottom line is that you can't say that you have one rule for Facebook and
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you have a different rule for Twitter. The same rule has to apply, which is that there has to be
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a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power. They are
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directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation.
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And that has to stop. That is amazing because, of course, it's not a privilege. It's a right to say
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that Elon Musk or the people at X have lost their privileges. This is not a privilege, but I think it
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is a portent to dangerous things to come. We know that the Cybersecurity Infrastructure
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Security Agency, which interfered in the 2020 election by censoring free speech, such as,
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oh, I don't know, Hunter Biden's laptop allegedly being Russian intelligence, we know that they are
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again planning to interfere with this election. Censorship, interestingly enough, was one of the
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three issues that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. listed in his powerful endorsement of Donald Trump.
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I'm going to keep us up with this issue because I still think censorship is the single greatest
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impediment to a free, fair, honest, transparent election. We had Dr. Robert Epstein on my 77 W
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ABC radio show recently, and he talked about the way Google manipulates a data. For example,
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if you are a Democrat, you will get multiple reminders to vote, whether to vote early or to
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vote on election day from Google. But if you're a Republican, well, you'll get no such reminders.
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Shocking news out of the ingoing inquiry into the events in Butler, Pennsylvania.
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Yesterday, Congressman Corey Mills revealed that those guarding President Trump, rather than most of them being seasoned or experienced secret service agents,
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actually were employees of the Department of Homeland Security.
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But don't worry, folks. Each one of them had had at least a two hour webinar to train them in executive protection.
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If you are interested in the topic of assassination, let me recommend to you my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ.
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Well, the election is more than two months away.
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Is it really surprising that the Biden administration is now raising the false specter of Russian interference?
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There's going to be Russian interference in our election.
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Donald Trump's campaign chairman was secretly meeting with Russian intelligence.
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Russia interfered with our election, attacked our democracy.
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Well, I think he feels that there is something that's going to come out about Russia.
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Why are, you know, other Americans basically believing Putin?
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Why did Trump believe Putin more than our 11 intelligence agencies?
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Well, the role of the government, in his view, is to advance his political fortunes and destroy his political enemies.
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It would look a lot like Vladimir Putin in Russia.
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It would look a lot like Viktor Orban in Hungary.
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In 2016, the Russians intervened heavily in our election to try to elect Donald Trump.
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They intervened with a massive social media campaign run out of St. Petersburg.
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They intervened by hacking the Democratic Party.
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Well, it is like Watergate in the sense that you had a break-in at the Democratic headquarters.
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The Democratic headquarters, in this case, a virtual one, not a physical break-in.
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And here you have a president doing a different kind of cover-up.
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Are you worried that Putin could be attempting and the Kremlin could be attempting to intervene in our election in 2024?
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And should we all be spending more time talking about that?
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It wouldn't be the first time that Russia has intervened in our election.
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It wouldn't be the first time they've done it to try to help elect Donald Trump.
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And they have so much more at stake today than they did back in 2016.
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With the war going on in Ukraine, with NATO enlarging around it, they feel beleaguered.
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The United States is supporting Ukraine in the war, or has been until Trump's influence on the GOP.
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So they have more at stake now than they did before.
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They have less risk aversion than they did before.
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So, yes, we should fully expect them to engage.
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Paul Manafort was meeting with Russian intelligence assets.
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They go on to say, usually, that Paul Manafort shared proprietary polling information from the Trump campaign with a man named Konstantin Kalimnik, who they claim is a Russian intelligence asset.
00:42:49.360
First of all, the Trump campaign had no proprietary polling information.
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So any information that Manafort gave to Kalimnik would have been from published public sources.
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Secondarily, as the independent journalist Matt Taibbi has absolutely documented, Konstantin Kalimnik was not a Russian intelligence asset.
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In fact, he was a U.S. intelligence asset, reporting regularly to the Defense Department, pardon me, the State Department, and to the embassy in Kiev.
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His name was redacted from a number of documents because he was a confidential source for our government.
00:43:30.420
Secondarily, there, of course, is the claim that Roger Stone was communicating with Guccifer 2.0, who was a Russian intelligence asset.
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Well, first of all, the very brief 28-word exchange between somebody calling himself goofs for 2.0 and me on Twitter direct messages took place three weeks, pardon me, three months after the Democratic National Committee had been hacked,
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but also after WikiLeaks had already published all of the material between the DNC and Hillary Clinton.
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Also, the actual text of all of our exchange, our only exchange, is completely innocuous.
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It doesn't prove that I received anything from them or knew in advance about any hack of the DNC.
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In fact, the claim that the DNC was hacked is false.
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That is because the FBI admitted in my trial pre-motions that they never inspected the computer servers at the DNC, relying on a report from CrowdStrikes, a third-party independent IT firm.
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The IT report produced by CrowdStrikes was denied to my defense attorneys at trial, but it would ultimately be declassified.
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It matches the testimony of the head of cybersecurity at CrowdStrikes, Sean Henry, who testified before the House Intelligence Committee that, in fact, he had no proof that the Russians conducted an online hack of the DNC.
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The judge would not allow me to bring expert testimony from Bill Binney, who was a high-level counterintelligence IT expert with the CIA, or produce any of the forensic evidence that would have proved that there was no online hack at the DNC.
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And lastly, the claim that the Russians were financing an advanced social media campaign.
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They spent about $40,000 in a multibillion-dollar race for the presidency, and their messaging was not consistently anti-Trump or anti-Hillary or pro-Bernie.
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At different times, they said different things.
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Looked to me like Boris and Igor definitely had English as a second language.
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