Roger Stone is back in the Stone Zone with his long-time friend, Pete Santilli, who served as a Marine in the U.S. Marine Corps and was one of the first journalists to cover the Bundy Ranch scandal in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Pete is now serving a life sentence for conspiracy to obstruct justice, conspiracy to commit wire fraud, and conspiracy to make false statements to the FBI. Roger and Troy discuss Pete s story, and why he should never have been let out of prison at all. The Stone Zone is hosted by Roger Stone and Troy Smith, editor-in-chief of Slingshot News. The show is brought to you by StoneZONE, a political and cultural icon and pundit who has been a pop culture icon for decades. Roger Stone is a New York Times bestselling author, and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society. Due to his four plus decades in the political and culture arena, Roger Stone has become a pop-culture icon. And now, here s your host Roger Stone, and now, your host, Troy Smith! in the latest episode of The Stonezone with Roger Stone! Roger Stone: The President's New Years Eve Special! . - Special Guests: Pete Santillie Special Guest: Pete Santsillie, former Marine, Journalist, Former Marine, Author, and Former Journalist and Former FBI Special Agent in Charge Noelle Roth, Special Agent Noelle of the Federal Bureau of Investigations, Noelle Blanchard and former White House Correspondent Noelle's Former Chief Strategist Noelle Shrader Welcome to the Zone! Join us in The StoneZ Zone: The Oldest Podcast of the 21st Century: The President s Oldest New Thing: . . . The Most Influential Man in the Oldest, The Most Powerful Man in America? Join Us On Social Media: , & The Most Important Podcasts: , The Best Podcasts of the Most Powerful People in the Most Important Person in the Country, And Much More! and the Most Influenced by the President s Most Powerful Person in Their Words and Their Stories from the Most Beautiful People in Their Local Community? And the Most Brilliant People in The World?
00:01:56.740The very people who were fully aware of his infirmity, who had been covering for him and pretending that we didn't see what our eyes told us, have now turned on him with an extraordinary vengeance.
00:02:09.240It is, it is, I'm reminded of the great maxim by Napoleon, who said, never interrupt your enemy when they're in the process of destroying themselves.
00:02:22.220Napoleon was, of course, not French, but he was Italian.
00:02:28.100And, of course, Corsica was controlled by Italy at the time of Napoleon's birth.
00:02:33.700In fact, Napoleon didn't speak French until much later in his teens or his early 20s.
00:02:40.320Speaking of great Italians, let me bring in our guest.
00:02:44.940Before I knew Pete Santilli, I knew of Pete Santilli, because as a tough investigative reporter, he was covering the outrageous governmental actions by the federal government at the Bundy Ranch.
00:03:00.900And even though he was there covering it as a journalist, Pete Santilli was swept up in the dragnet of the feds who sought to destroy the Bundys because they insisted on paying their land rent payments to the county and the state instead of paying them to the feds based on their own beliefs.
00:03:20.140This is one of the great scandals of all time, but Pete Santilli was locked up, along with the Bundy Ranch family and many of their supporters.
00:03:34.060I love Pete Santilli because when I was fighting for my life, he and his wife, Deb, who's a much better person than he is, were among my very, very strongest supporters.
00:03:48.060So, let me say this about Pete Santilli.
00:03:51.520First of all, he served his country in the U.S. Marine Corps.
00:04:28.120And ever since I was released in October of 2017, and I have to say this, if it weren't for your coverage of our story, we would have never gotten the public support on the outside of the courtroom.
00:04:41.880It was so essential because, as you know, in those federal courtrooms, they don't allow cameras, and you brought light, and I'm a free man as a result.
00:04:49.560But October 2017, when I got out, I just kept going to work.
00:04:54.860We were fighting for our lives as defendants, but then that same group of people that came after us went after our country.
00:05:03.880And October 2017, we haven't stopped, and Roger, being your advocate, that will always, always be the case because you have certainly served our nation for multiple decades.
00:05:18.280And what I saw happening to you, not only should it not happen to any American, but there's a reason why they went after you is because you were friends with President Donald J. Trump, and it continues to this day.
00:06:00.240You have a better handle on the deep state and what they're capable of.
00:06:06.560I think this is something you and I share.
00:06:08.580When you've seen it up front, when it's your life that's on the line, when it's you, they're trying to use their immense legal power to destroy.
00:06:16.700It gives you a different vantage point.
00:06:22.520But you and I, well, we've really been in the fight, along with General Michael Flynn and George Papadopoulos and Paul Manafort.
00:06:30.380By the way, in Italian, Manafort means strong hand and others.
00:06:36.180The question that I keep getting over and over again when I go out and speak or when I do these Q&A sessions on radio or for the show is, what will they pull in order to avoid having a free, fair, honest and transparent election?
00:06:55.060This is something Alex Jones asks me every time I'm on his show.
00:06:59.000And it's hard to even think about because some of the options that they're totally capable of, in my opinion, are so horrible that it's tough to contemplate them.
00:07:13.100I pray for the safety of President Trump and his family every single day.
00:07:18.160My first book, a New York Times bestseller, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, makes the case that elements of the United States government were deeply involved in the assassination of an American president.
00:07:31.900So if they did it once, what is to stop them from trying to do it again?
00:08:12.000I think we're in a very dangerous period of time right now, which makes it an even curious thought as to why they cling on to Biden.
00:08:22.580Because that guy, as we know, with his involvement with the CIA overthrow of the Ukraine for a long period of time, he was directly involved with them.
00:08:33.320Joe Biden has to be a CIA asset, at least, at the very least, a CCP asset.
00:08:41.360Well, they had to get him to the show.
00:08:43.420We know that in 2020, he was shoehorned into that seat.
00:08:48.00081 million people didn't vote for him.
00:08:50.900He tries to pretend like he's got popular support.
00:08:53.440But probably has a little bit more so these days, because of the busloads of people they're sending to go see him to give the impression like he's got support.
00:09:03.260But I believe that the intelligence services need this one last move coming in November of 2024.
00:09:10.840Why? Because Joe Biden has to be in place in order for them to bring their last move, and that is a continuity of government establishment that essentially suspends our U.S. Constitution.
00:09:26.760They've been planning for this since the late 80s, and I think they need Joe Biden in place.
00:09:32.300Not even Kamala Harris or any of their other Democrat Party underlings.
00:09:39.100I call it the short bus now, and Joe Biden is merely a passenger on that short bus.
00:09:45.160And what they're trying to do is give him a mask so he doesn't lick the window as they cross the line towards what I think they're going to do here.
00:09:53.980Hopefully, it's not before the election.
00:09:58.220They have one final signature that they need from the President of the United States to declare a national emergency.
00:10:07.880Once that happens, continuity of government is activated.
00:10:12.220FEMA is in charge at that point here in the United States of America, and our U.S. Constitution is suspended.
00:10:19.460I happen to have some direct firsthand knowledge of what those plans are in place and what the power is in the hands of somebody like Joe Biden.
00:10:30.500They're saying all they need is for him to be at least, you know, I think they'll even get his approval if he's comatose.
00:10:38.260So we're in a very dangerous period right now, Roger, and I'm very, very concerned for Conjuring.
00:10:43.900Obviously, you're referring to the Federal Continuity Directive, which I've actually read.
00:10:51.160And I would remind you that Woodrow Wilson, who was elected president in 1912, had a debilitating stroke in 1919, was mentally and physically debilitated.
00:11:02.000His wife, Edith Galt Wilson, was the de facto president of the United States, and she would put the pen in his lifeless hand and move it across the paper in order to sign official federal documents.
00:11:16.980Even if Joe is comatose, even if he is completely non-lucid, they can get his signature on this document, which, as you point out, gives them sweeping controls over the American people.
00:11:30.680If they are heading to an electoral loss, if they think that stealing the election is either too difficult or too transparent, will be too obvious, then this could certainly be among their bag of tricks.
00:11:45.620Let me ask you this, because the same question Jones always asks me.
00:11:50.220Another pandemic, Pete, do you think that's in—I hear a lot of talk about a bird flu.
00:12:33.200I believe that they've got enough people here in the country that if they were to activate those terror cells, it would be a widespread incident.
00:12:41.480Now, I've spoken to Homeland Security officials that are truly concerned about the number of shipping containers that they've intercepted over the past five years,
00:12:52.000chock full of AK-47 parts, distributed throughout the country, for the past five years.
00:13:00.680They're concerned about the number of shipping containers that have gotten away.
00:13:04.640So there's a lot of arms that have been shipped in.
00:13:07.240They've got the individuals connected to terrorism that have, of course, used those other immigrants, illegal immigrants as human shields.
00:13:17.220I believe, and if you listen to FBI Director Wray, as well as the chair of the House Permanent Select Committee,
00:13:26.380they're warning us we're at the highest level of terror alert.
00:13:31.400One event takes place in multiple cities.
00:13:33.720They can declare a national emergency.
00:13:35.820Now, once that happens, and, Roger, hopefully we have just a little bit of time for me to describe to you what I knew about developing that federal continuity directive
00:13:47.200and what powers that FEMA will have in the event that the president signs off on a national emergency.
00:13:57.860Instantaneously, everything is shut down.
00:13:59.640Barack Obama's executive orders that he signed of the 900-plus, a lot of them had to do with seizure of all of our national infrastructure
00:14:09.340from transportation, water, electricity, in the event of a national emergency.
00:14:16.560So we are hearing from the FBI Director and the House Permanent Select Committee,
00:14:20.940and they're telling us we're at the highest state of terror alert.
00:14:24.680One event takes place, instantaneous suspension of our Constitution.
00:14:30.760Now, there's a six-month period that not even Congress can intervene.
00:14:37.340One signature, one event, and America would be amazed at what they've been planning for the past 40 years or so.
00:14:47.440I love either being on with Pete Santilli or having him on my show because I learn something every time I'm with him.
00:15:50.800As somebody who's been persecuted pretty much relentlessly throughout your career, and somebody who's really faced down the deep state and what they do in arresting people,
00:16:01.040what are your thoughts on what's going to happen to Donald Trump at his sentencing, which has been delayed in September?
00:16:07.080Do you think that Judge Juan Merchan is going to try to put him in prison?
00:16:26.880I think they're going to take a path to least resistance, like bringing a major catastrophic event.
00:16:35.240Remember, the feeling that we all had, it didn't matter what your politics were,
00:16:39.400that entire week we were watching people jumping out of the World Trade Center towers.
00:16:43.600I believe that they have the ability to create an event that'll be so shocking that they won't have to cause a stir inappropriately by incarcerating President Trump on the front doorstep of the election.
00:16:59.520That would be a provocation that I think they could avoid by easily activating a lot of these terrorists they have in the country.
00:17:08.100I had a conversation recently when I was down in Texas with Homeland Security individuals that their greatest concerns is that some of those guns are being given to very young teenagers in the same style that they've been developing the cartels down south of the border.
00:17:28.740From Fast and Furious onward, they know how to grab these kids, give them guns, and that's their biggest concern right now.
00:17:35.940The number of guns that are here in the country, the number of illegal immigrants that will be the leaders of that younger generation of cartel assassins, I believe that there will be a multi-city event.
00:17:49.940We're also hearing the same thing from our Homeland Security officials and investigative people like Christopher Wray, who knows how to plan such events.
00:18:03.340So I don't think that they're going to take out President Trump.
00:18:06.920I'm more concerned about their assassination of millions of Americans, potentially.
00:18:13.820You know, Pete, I'm beginning to agree with you.
00:18:16.860You would think that they would understand that after they submitted Donald Trump's humiliation of being charged in Georgia,
00:18:25.360and they took and then released his mugshot, that brought in $141 million to his campaign, and he shot upward in the polls.
00:18:35.940Then when they convicted him in a Soviet-style show trial in New York City, when the prosecutors could not even identify the underlying crime that would have made these financial transactions a felony, a criminal charge,
00:18:53.060he took in another $40 million, and his popularity went up even higher.
00:18:59.560So sooner or later, you would think that they would figure out that these over-the-top attacks on Trump only make him stronger, only galvanize his base, only move undecideds towards him,
00:19:12.580because anyone with two eyes and a brain can see exactly what's happened.
00:19:21.020I actually thought, well, this judge is so evil, so corrupt.
00:19:26.160And of course, he wants to go down as a liberal icon.
00:19:28.740I mean, the judge who sent Donald Trump to jail, that puts you right up there with Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you know, in the left-wing lexicon.
00:19:38.080I would have thought, and they're probably dangling a federal judgeship in front of him, so I thought that that was likely what he would do.
00:19:46.900That would be a gigantic political mistake.
00:19:49.360Of course, now that they've delayed this until at least after the convention, or for the latter part of the year, I still think voters will see it as election interference.
00:19:59.760I have the same low regard for lawyers that you do, Pete.
00:20:04.600And I'm sick of telling me, oh, because it's a nonviolent offense, because he has no prior criminal record, surely the judge is going to stay his sentence, is going to leave him out on bail.
00:20:23.980There are different rules for Donald Trump, unfortunately.
00:20:27.760He's not held to the same standard as everyone else, nor are his supporters.
00:20:32.200So if you're Hillary Clinton or FBI Director James Comey or CIA Director John Brennan or Andrew McCabe or Hillary Clinton herself, you can lie to Congress about material matters that actually matter, make a difference, and you won't be charged.
00:20:50.020But if you forget and you misstate a fact that covers no underlying crime, in other words, you tell a falsehood, not on purpose, but not in the furtherance of covering up any other crime, well, they'll charge you immediately to pressure you to bear false witness on, guess who?
00:21:17.440So as far as you kind of hinted towards it there, what kind of system would Americans see if you're talking about FEMA taking over the country?
00:21:41.840I don't know if you remember Ali North, Iran-Contra.
00:21:44.940The top secret exercise called Rex 84 was designed that if something happened within the continental United States, they designed it so that how would we be able to round up potential dissidents, round them up, arrest them, American citizens or even foreigners?
00:22:08.680That top secret program actually came out accidentally in congressional testimony.
00:22:17.820Rex 84 in that exercise was developed to find out, well, how are we able to do that, use the military and law enforcement to be able to do that, and not just circumvent the U.S. Constitution.
00:22:40.780And they didn't have the boundaries, constitutional boundaries, whether it be posse comitatus or, you know, they didn't even have arrest procedures.
00:22:48.680But they could say, for continuity of government reasons, we need to be able to provide water, comfort, oh, all of a sudden the electric grid shuts down.
00:22:57.900How do we get people from their neighborhoods into a safe, secure facility to give them three hots and a cot?
00:23:04.520Well, now that morphed into the power that they gave to FEMA, and I mean absolute power, above the military.
00:23:14.360Once the president signs the emergency declaration, continuity of government kicks in, FEMA's in charge.
00:23:22.480You could lose the entire eastern seaboard.
00:23:25.240There's a chain of command, a protocol.
00:23:27.620The old days we used to say, take the three-ring binder off the shelf, and here's how we communicate.
00:24:01.560In the Federal Continuity Directive, the ones that are identified for Roundup, believe it or not, those that are deemed to be national security threats, is the Attorney General of the United States.
00:24:16.640He's already telegraphed who those potential dissidents are by declaring that anybody that is a MAGA extremist is a national security threat.
00:24:26.340So, thereby, they would do the targeting.
00:24:29.900They could literally round up, and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence has also provided a list of who those extremists are.
00:24:41.660If you're anti-abortion, pro-life, if you're a constitutional conspiracy theorist, if you're a MAGA supporter, you will be identified as a national security threat, and you'll be taken very swiftly for national security reasons to a FEMA camp.
00:25:04.180I worked on a portion of the Federal Continuity Directive in the late 80s, and they said that the one trigger that would cause this to be instituted would be the decoupling of the trading of oil to the dollar because we had a national security vulnerability for Saudi Arabia.
00:25:25.440June 9th, we decoupled from the trading of oil to the dollar.
00:25:30.580The petrodollar was put at risk, and thereby triggering that one event that the original Continuity of Government Directive was put in place to begin with.