The StoneZONE with Roger Stone

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit, Roger Stone.

00:00:11.600 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:15.920 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:21.600 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,

00:00:26.960 and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:32.560 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:37.900 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:45.560 Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.

00:00:51.200 You remember several weeks ago when AT&T had an outage that left millions of Americans stranded without cell phone service?

00:01:03.720 Well, I was among them.

00:01:06.220 And it is then that you realize how completely you depend on our electric grid,

00:01:13.180 how much you depend on the fact that you have and will presumably always have electricity,

00:01:19.380 and therefore you'll always have not only a fully charged cell phone, or the option to have one,

00:01:26.800 and that the cell towers will be operational.

00:01:31.620 This is something I've given a lot of thought about.

00:01:34.540 We're going to talk to our guest, Glenn Rhodes, today, who's an expert in these areas.

00:01:41.360 But first, let me bring on my co-host, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.news.

00:01:49.360 Troy Smith joins us now.

00:01:52.780 Roger, it's an honor to be here.

00:01:54.360 Hope you are having a good Friday.

00:01:55.880 Looking forward to the weekend here.

00:01:57.960 Well, I'm definitely looking forward to the weekend.

00:02:00.660 Today is Rudy Giuliani's 80th birthday, and I'm going up to Palm Beach to celebrate the mayor's birthday with him.

00:02:12.380 George Papadopoulos is going with me.

00:02:14.880 There are going to be many, many patriots there.

00:02:18.120 So, yes, I will tell you I'm looking forward to that.

00:02:22.660 I was vexed, as you know.

00:02:25.680 You remember how frustrated I was that day with no cell service.

00:02:29.780 And then I began to look at the bigger picture and the vulnerability of our power grid, the possibility of not hurricanes, which is a relatively common thing here in Florida, where both of us live.

00:02:46.520 In Florida, we've seen the power knocked out by hurricanes, and that gives you a small sample of what could happen nationwide.

00:02:57.100 So, a mutual friend in California recommended Glenn Rhodes.

00:03:03.220 Glenn Rhodes is a founder of the Colorado Nanotech Initiative.

00:03:08.800 He spent 30 years at Martin Marietta, Lockheed Martin, Home Depot, Best Buys, Lowe's, as well as working for the Jefferson County government.

00:03:20.640 He is an expert in these matters.

00:03:26.600 I'm very pleased that we could finally connect.

00:03:29.800 Glenn Rhodes, welcome to the Stone Zone.

00:03:33.980 Well, thank you, Roger.

00:03:35.360 I'm privileged and honored to be here because it's all about getting the message out, right?

00:03:40.860 It is indeed.

00:03:41.960 Look, I gave your distinguished background kind of short shrift, so I'm going to let you do it.

00:03:47.620 Tell us more, tell my audience more about you so they will understand that when you make some shocking statements here today, you're a man who knows, based on experience, what he's talking about.

00:04:02.580 Well, thank you, Roger.

00:04:04.040 So, I was educated with a degree in urban architecture and planning from the University of Colorado, and it was all about sustainable habitat, right?

00:04:13.760 We're all concerned about sustainable habitat, and as you know, growing up in the 70s, we're all about save the planet, you know, and everything's got to be green and everything, which is good, but we never had really the studies on energy architecture and everything that's related to human sustainable habitat.

00:04:32.520 So, fast forward to, I graduate from the University of Colorado, somehow I end up as being an aerospace planner instead of being an urban planner, just because of a misunderstanding of planning and what that meant.

00:04:45.620 I was hired by Martin to be an engineering planner, and it gave me a good background in science.

00:04:52.300 So, right now, I feel like I got a PhD in physics from all the stuff I've learned since I was 56 years old, and I woke up to a eureka moment with the Fukushima nuclear disaster.

00:05:01.960 But the bottom line is this, I had started an initiative in Colorado to work on nanotechnology for the National Science Foundation.

00:05:14.360 So, I was doing that, and we were able to get a lab in Colorado to do a nanotechnology education characterization and fabrication, and did that.

00:05:25.600 So, I always had a background in how the community could use science, and I was acting as an interpreter.

00:05:31.600 So, all of a sudden, fast forward to March 11, 2011, and all of a sudden, Fukushima nuclear disaster happened, and I couldn't understand.

00:05:39.760 I couldn't connect the dots.

00:05:40.740 I didn't know what was going on, and I told Karen, my wife, I said, wait a second.

00:05:44.740 I thought nuclear power plants created their own power.

00:05:47.540 Why is this such a problem?

00:05:49.460 And it bothered me, and I couldn't go to sleep.

00:05:51.840 She said, well, you need to do some research.

00:05:53.400 So, I typed in long-duration power outage, and it led me to a guy named Dr. Daniel Baker, who's the director of laboratory and atmospheric and space physics in Boulder.

00:06:02.460 And I said, Dan, I'm just an ordinary citizen, but can I talk to you about something that's on my mind?

00:06:08.200 He said, sure.

00:06:09.280 Yeah, I'm available.

00:06:10.260 So, he sat down with me, and he said, Glenn, you've discovered something that we are very concerned about.

00:06:16.620 I go, what?

00:06:17.220 He said, well, unbeknownst to most of the people, we had a series of congressional reports that were basically initiated by Dr. Roscoe Bartlett and Kurt Weldon.

00:06:32.900 And they were doing some salt negotiation talks, and one of the generals quipped, you know, I don't know why we're wasting time doing this.

00:06:39.460 We can just wipe you out with two bombs.

00:06:41.060 And Kurt Weldon and boss Bartlett said, what do you mean? 0.96

00:06:46.620 He goes, well, we could just EMP you to death, you know, and we would just sit back and watch your whole society just disintegrate.

00:06:53.420 So, they went with their hair on fire to the Congress, and fortunately, my former boss, Dr. Peter Prye, who was on the House Armed Services Committee,

00:07:03.880 heard about this, and they decided they would start an EMP congressional commission to study the effects of electromagnetism on society.

00:07:13.200 So, they produced a number of reports, 2004, 6, 8, 17, and it basically said, if we get hit with a grid down, electronic civilization down outage,

00:07:25.100 we will lose probably between 200 and 210, up to 310 million Americans within the first year, and it's probably going to be a lot sooner.

00:07:35.580 And I told Baker, I said, how is that possible?

00:07:39.640 I mean, were you going to get radiated or something?

00:07:41.840 He said, no, it's all about water.

00:07:45.580 It's all about water.

00:07:46.760 And Dr. Peter Prye, back in the 80s, did a series of lectures when he was at Langley, and Roger, he said, in one briefing, he was briefing some guys,

00:07:58.360 and he went up to the blackboard, and he said, guys, it's all about electricity, energy, and water.

00:08:03.560 And these are the existential threats that could destroy our civilization, and we need to wake up and smell the coffee.

00:08:10.540 So, I wanted to give my hats, kudos off to Dr. Peter Prye.

00:08:15.640 So, after this briefing with George Baker, he said, go talk to a couple of guys.

00:08:19.700 So, I talked to Bill Murtaugh at the Space Weather Prediction Center.

00:08:22.560 I talked to Dr. John Darragh, who's a retired chief scientist for the Air Force Space Command, and then I talked to Peter Prye.

00:08:29.360 And this was in 84, and I said, Dr. Prye, somebody gave me your name, and I would like to help you out.

00:08:35.760 And he goes, you're hired.

00:08:36.620 And I said, well, Peter, I used to have a security clearance.

00:08:40.320 He goes, I don't care if you're a dog catcher.

00:08:43.180 You're hired.

00:08:44.480 And I said, well, why are you so quick?

00:08:46.980 He said, because nobody's listening.

00:08:49.400 We are the Paul Revere of the energy vulnerability threat that's coming down the pike.

00:08:56.360 So, I said, is there anybody working with you?

00:08:58.900 And he said, just one person, Cynthia Ayers.

00:09:01.640 And so, there were three of us.

00:09:03.840 And I said, listen, as you work trying to get people in Washington up to speed, let me create an organization around you of volunteers, just patriots, that understand the message.

00:09:14.720 Right?

00:09:15.320 And I don't know, Troy, if you wanted to play that tribute to Peter Prye.

00:09:19.560 Maybe not.

00:09:20.480 You don't have to.

00:09:21.220 But Peter was the tip of the spear.

00:09:25.460 And unfortunately, we lost him in August of 2022.

00:09:30.260 You know, and, you know, Roger, did you ever have a chance to meet Peter Prye, by any chance?

00:09:36.320 No, I've read about him extensively.

00:09:39.540 I'm very curious about how imminent the danger is in this country to an attack on our infrastructure, specifically an attack on the electrical grid.

00:09:55.880 If you heard the opening, it freaked me out to be without cell phone service for four hours about a week ago.

00:10:02.740 I can't imagine what it would be like if the entire country was without cell phone service, without electricity, without the ability to cook, to heat their homes, to air condition their homes, to pump water, which requires electricity.

00:10:20.540 How real is this threat, in your opinion?

00:10:23.420 Well, it is a very real threat.

00:10:26.760 And unfortunately, when Nikola Tesla and Westinghouse and Edison created the power grid, the modern power grid, they weren't thinking about the ways to destroy it.

00:10:38.060 The nation was growing, and Nikola Tesla said – and actually, if we had followed Edison's Pearl Street Station in downtown New York City,

00:10:47.040 we probably wouldn't have had the problems we had now because it was a direct current microgrid that just sent out bursts of energy to a relatively local area.

00:10:57.740 And we would have been fragmented.

00:10:58.980 We would have been great.

00:11:00.040 But Nikola Tesla said, hey, wait a second, guys.

00:11:02.320 We can alternate power and do power along the long lines of distribution.

00:11:07.720 And without knowing it, because he didn't know at the time that the vulnerability is there, and we created this open architecture of millions – not millions, but I should say hundreds of ways that we could disrupt the power grid, okay?

00:11:21.080 So there's a number of different ways that could happen, Roger.

00:11:23.960 One is we could have a cyber attack, okay?

00:11:26.720 We get cyber attacked all the time.

00:11:28.560 And as you may or may not know, some people in our task force alerted Rebecca Smith with the Wall Street Journal that said, hey, we think we have vulnerabilities in these Chinese transformers that are coming over.

00:11:45.340 And lo and behold, we've distributed them along many, many different places, and we don't know what's going on yet.

00:11:52.800 We've asked for FOIA requests.

00:11:55.580 We've tried to figure out if it's happening or not.

00:11:57.760 I don't care.

00:11:59.460 I don't need to know the answer, but I do need to have a comfort level that's being addressed, and it's not – I don't think it's being addressed to our satisfaction.

00:12:06.760 So we're trying to get the DOE and some of the other people to say, we got it covered, Glenn, and we want to know because we want some people in Congress to know that it's being addressed, right?

00:12:17.420 So that's one thing, the cyber attack.

00:12:19.460 The other thing is a coronal mass ejection from the sun, okay?

00:12:22.740 So the sun has a flare that spits out a tremendous amount of energy.

00:12:27.460 It's like a flash of a muzzle on a cannon.

00:12:30.320 And that has direct interference with our radio communications at higher frequencies right off the bat.

00:12:36.320 In fact, I was in the spacecraft – the Space Weather Prediction Center on Tuesday at 10.51 Mountain Time when we had the largest solar flare in an X8.1 in the last 20 years, which is really amazing to be there because all of a sudden this audible thing came alert.

00:12:57.300 And an X-class one or higher solar flare is now in progress.

00:13:03.820 And we saw the screen where the whole entire North and South American continent turned baby blue on the screen, and then it rose to red.

00:13:14.640 So even though it was directed – so if you see that picture in back of me, you know, if you can imagine on the side having a side blow like that, the current solar field that's giving us all this problem is going around the backside of the sun.

00:13:28.960 But it was – it shot it out, but we still got the interference.

00:13:32.260 So they immediately called Vandenberg Air Force Base and said, hey, you need to scrub that at launch because at the ultra-high frequencies, we do not have the ability to track satellites and rockets and other things to go haywire.

00:13:45.420 But that – if one of those things was directed towards us, Roger, what would happen is it may create a vulnerability in all the 2,500 transformers that are the backbone of our electrical grid.

00:14:00.000 If those things go, we've just lost our civilization.

00:14:04.500 And it won't only be the United States.

00:14:06.280 It would be the whole Earth.

00:14:07.460 We would probably lose 60% of the global population because if we don't have the transformers and they take 18 months just to make one, they weigh 400 to 500 tons, we lose the process to process and purify our waste.

00:14:25.500 So the people that will go first, if we get through the gauntlet of a collapse of law enforcement, we go through the gauntlet.

00:14:34.560 The next gauntlet is diphtheria cholera and typhoid, Roger.

00:14:39.900 And so we're trying to advocate, as Peter Pryde advocated, for figuring out how we can harden those big, giant transformers to make sure they're protected.

00:14:50.980 And there are some things, Roger, that we can do right away, right, to do that.

00:14:54.880 Glenn, we're going to go to a quick commercial message.

00:14:59.040 When we come back, Troy Smith are going to ask you and I are both going to ask you exactly what those things we need to do to avert this disaster are.

00:15:09.320 We'll be right back.

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00:17:11.820 Welcome back.

00:17:29.560 If you're just tuning in, I'm Roger Stone.

00:17:32.100 I'm here with Troy Smith, my co-host, and you are in the Stone Zone.

00:17:37.740 We're talking to Glenn Rhodes, who's talking with us about the potential of cyber attacks or an attack on the grid.

00:17:48.240 You know, several weeks ago, we had an AT&T outage, which really, really turned me upside down.

00:17:58.400 I went out and got a satellite phone.

00:18:00.700 We'll talk about that a little later.

00:18:02.440 But I want to pick up where we left off.

00:18:04.880 Troy, I'm going to turn it over to you.

00:18:06.980 Very clearly, Glenn said there are some things we need to do.

00:18:11.460 Let's follow up on that.

00:18:13.820 Absolutely.

00:18:14.600 So what do you think we can do, Mr. Rhodes, to kind of secure the system?

00:18:19.420 I know we have vulnerabilities all over the place.

00:18:21.840 Where would you say we need to start in attacking these vulnerabilities?

00:18:25.080 What is most vulnerable right now?

00:18:27.720 Well, I would say most vulnerable is we have to eliminate the potential to turn off our high-voltage transformers.

00:18:35.920 Because, you know, I had a senior advisor tell me, Glenn, you've got a lot of people.

00:18:40.780 It's like looking in the football stand and looking down at the field, and you've got a thousand different rabbit holes, okay?

00:18:45.860 You could sprinkle your guys everywhere and go down all the rabbit holes, and you won't make a hill of difference, right?

00:18:52.000 However, if you can identify two or three things that we can do right away, it may save the country, okay?

00:18:58.560 The number one would be we need to have congressional action to bring down a transformer, take it offline for maybe a week or maybe less, drain the mineral oil, get in there with a hazmat suit, and see if there's a vulnerability.

00:19:14.900 So, to make sure that thing's not communicating in or out of the substation, that it could be remotely turned off.

00:19:22.220 And you and I, Troy, talked about, I don't think they want to destroy these things, but they will turn them off.

00:19:27.400 And if they're turned off, we'll be helpless.

00:19:31.460 We won't know what to do, right?

00:19:32.820 So, I would say the number one thing is we need to eliminate those.

00:19:37.740 Number two, and along with that, is we need to practice air gap hardening.

00:19:43.380 I call it the iron dome of cyber threats.

00:19:46.820 In other words, we need to work at, as a nation, eliminating anything that is connected to the internet or any type of cyber vulnerability and air gap it so that it cannot communicate with anybody so it can't be hacked.

00:20:05.600 Because, and I'm not telling, I'm not saying everything, but those things that are critical for life-sustaining infrastructure.

00:20:12.980 Like, for example, you don't want to have your wastewater treatment plant talking to China and have them turn it off, right? 0.99

00:20:18.860 I mean, that's just a general statement.

00:20:21.460 So, we need to air gap anything that's related to critical infrastructure and eliminate that vulnerability right off the bat.

00:20:28.480 So, that goes along with the transformer thing.

00:20:31.160 Number two, we need to have an integrated approach.

00:20:34.960 And we've tried to do it with the nation, with the SIPA Act.

00:20:37.920 We've tried to do it with the state.

00:20:39.120 I mean, we've tried, I think 20 states have tried 43 different times, including Texas, eight times to try to do something and everything fails.

00:20:49.880 So, number two would be to set a pathfinder project of a small community that we can migrate stuff that we've already put into military installations and hardened military facilities and migrated into a community to be the pathfinder to deploy this stuff.

00:21:08.540 Once we get it all done, because right now we're shooting from the hips about how much it's going to cost.

00:21:13.500 Until we do an engineering analysis and actually do something, we're just pulling numbers out of the air and nobody knows how much it really costs.

00:21:21.900 You know, as an analyst and a cost account manager for space engineers, we had to track cost and schedule variances.

00:21:30.500 And they had to be exact.

00:21:32.780 You couldn't just guess what's going to happen.

00:21:34.960 So, that would be number two.

00:21:36.380 Number three, I would say boots on the ground.

00:21:39.540 If we can get Congress working with all the state governors to actually have – I don't care if it's a deputy dog.

00:21:47.400 I don't care if it's a couple privates.

00:21:48.860 If you have critical infrastructure substations, maybe you weed them in with the ones that are critical, with some that are not so critical to confuse the enemy, and you have a person on the ground, how much is it going to cost to have two soldiers at critical substations with their flashing lights on?

00:22:07.840 It's going to cost a hell of a lot less money than deploying something.

00:22:11.920 And it would – they'd have to outrun a radio signal.

00:22:15.080 Worth every penny.

00:22:16.000 Yes, it's worth every penny, and it's not that much.

00:22:20.200 So, I would say those three things right off the bat.

00:22:24.120 So, I mean, let's not cut off too big a piece of cake.

00:22:29.100 If we could just do that, we might be able to save civilization.

00:22:32.780 And then I think as an added icing on the cake, we need to deploy anything that is fragmented.

00:22:40.600 In other words, if you have – Troy, if you're hiding a technology that's going to be able to be put in my house, okay, we want you to step forward right now and get that in my house. 0.98

00:22:53.480 Because we need to fragment the grid so that one guy doesn't blow up the fat-sucking pig. 0.58

00:23:00.760 And that's why I tell the greenies, I said, listen, if we put all the energy into renewable energies, but this big, giant fossil fuel pig, which I know is inefficient, if that thing dies, we don't have the gap to fill in. 0.97

00:23:15.680 And it's just like Elon Musk.

00:23:17.500 If Elon Musk and Bezos and Bill Gates are listening to me right now, say, stop whatever you're doing.

00:23:25.080 I say, get a deployed, fragmented energy system into communities to save the country above all else.

00:23:34.940 And then we might have a civilization to go to the moon sometime.

00:23:38.480 But if we don't, we don't have to worry about going to the moon or Mars or anywhere, right?

00:23:44.120 Because we won't get – we won't exist as a country.

00:23:46.900 So I would say those things in particular.

00:23:50.660 Glenn, I guess the real question is, do you have any level of confidence that our current government is fully aware of these potential problems and that they are acting in a manner to be prepared, as you have outlined?

00:24:08.480 Well, you know, I think that's a fair question.

00:24:12.360 And Peter Prye briefed President Trump last time.

00:24:16.360 I mean, he spent 45 minutes with him.

00:24:18.860 But as you know, Roger, you can have – you know, President Trump was on board with this.

00:24:25.700 But to get something done in Washington, I just don't see it's possible.

00:24:30.620 We're too fragmented.

00:24:31.840 And the message, Roger, that we have to take right now from this interview is divided, we will fall. 0.97

00:24:39.460 I don't care if you're straight, gay, you know, transvestite, Democrat, Republican, Nazi, whatever. 0.58

00:24:47.520 If you don't address this issue, you won't have the freedom to do whatever political bent you have. 0.97

00:24:55.660 We will fail.

00:24:56.720 It's kind of like the Titanic when it hit the iceberg, you know, and the chief architect was on there, and they said this, this, and this compartment were compromised.

00:25:05.720 And he just looked at everybody and said, this ship will flounder.

00:25:09.080 There's no doubt about it.

00:25:11.060 We will stink.

00:25:12.320 And so that's where we're at right now because right now, as I speak, we are at war with our adversaries, even though nobody knows about it, and with the sun, the natural and the human-made vulnerabilities of the power grid.

00:25:29.960 We're at war, and we have to figure out how to survive, or else the only people that will survive an EMP, possibly a nuclear war, I don't even know if they will do it, are the 25 million Bedouins who roam around in the Saudi Arabian Peninsula, right, and the nomads, the aborigines in Australia, who don't rely on the electrical power grid for their existence. 0.96

00:25:52.200 So we will have pockets of humanity that will survive.

00:25:55.960 Why?

00:25:56.480 Because they haven't relied on the electrical power grid, which super extends our sustainable capacity to live, the carrying capacity of our environment.

00:26:11.420 And that's what electricity has allowed us to do.

00:26:14.060 And people in the 60% of the global population that are in cities, those are going to be the first to go.

00:26:21.000 And the only thing I say is, if you're in a city when all this happens, you need to go to the country as soon as possible.

00:26:27.740 It will be an absolute mess if you try to stick it out in the cities.

00:26:33.460 You will not be able to survive.

00:26:35.560 Because the FBI has told me there's an X number.

00:26:38.120 I can't tell you the exact number, but I will tell you it's an exorbitant amount of gangs that are just in Denver.

00:26:44.400 And Denver's not known to be a violent community.

00:26:46.680 But when you lose power, you lose law enforcement capabilities, and then everything becomes tribal.

00:26:54.200 And it's the guy with the biggest gun will win for a short time.

00:26:59.580 But it's like Mad Max.

00:27:00.860 It doesn't matter if you're the biggest kingpin, horrible gangster in Denver. 1.00

00:27:06.500 You will eventually die as well. 0.98

00:27:08.460 I mean, it's going to be a thinning out of the population.

00:27:13.880 So we have to be proactive.

00:27:15.940 And I hate to put on a doomsday hat.

00:27:18.460 I'm all about, we can do this.

00:27:21.360 Come on, guys.

00:27:22.400 Peter was, Peter, bless his heart, was saying, you know, the world is going to fall if we don't address this.

00:27:27.500 But he was always saying, my hope is that some people will be wise enough to address the issue and maybe cause our civilization to function.

00:27:37.180 And he called it sane.

00:27:38.360 You know, you hear mad, mutual assured destruction.

00:27:40.980 He called it sane, which is strategic, assured national existence.

00:27:46.380 That's what we're trying to do.

00:27:49.340 Secured, assured national existence.

00:27:51.480 And so, Roger, that's all I can say.

00:27:55.880 I mean, we can do it.

00:27:58.000 But I don't think it's going to come from Washington.

00:28:00.820 Hopefully, you know, and like I said, we briefed Biden.

00:28:04.860 We sent him a whole package.

00:28:06.460 But because Congress is just too slow, we don't have the mechanism to turn the ship around quick enough to address the existential threat.

00:28:16.160 And that's where, Roger, it becomes problematic.

00:28:18.920 All right.

00:28:20.900 That's a very draconian and a lot there to think about.

00:28:24.520 We're unfortunately out of time.

00:28:26.000 Let me thank our guest, Glenn Rhodes, for joining us today.

00:28:30.400 Glenn, I'm going to want you to come back because I'm fascinated by this subject.

00:28:34.280 But there's a lot there for Americans to think about.

00:28:38.320 I want to thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.

00:28:42.140 Thank you, Roger, and bless you.

00:28:43.940 Bless you.

00:28:44.560 I hope your continued safety for your family and everyone else in Florida.

00:28:49.500 Are you hanging around in Florida?

00:28:51.260 Where are you at, Roger?

00:28:52.520 I'm living in an undisclosed location in South Florida.

00:28:57.300 Okay, great.

00:28:58.800 Hopefully, we'll be able to avoid a hurricane this season.

00:29:03.340 Thank you again.

00:29:04.820 Okay.

00:29:06.020 God bless you.

00:29:06.600 Bye.

00:29:06.900 Many, many thanks, Glenn.

00:29:09.520 All right.

00:29:10.160 I'm here with Troy Smith.

00:29:12.000 We're going to get into politics because this is the place for politics.

00:29:17.160 So you're tuned into the Stone Zone.

00:29:19.740 You're still in the zone.

00:29:21.180 Don't go away because, well, we'll be right back.

00:29:30.900 Sounds rolling.

00:29:31.960 All three cameras.

00:29:32.920 We're good.

00:29:33.360 Is there any regrets that you have in life?

00:29:39.440 I should sit here and say, yeah, I got a lot of regrets.

00:29:44.400 But when I look back on my life and I understand the lives that were lost, I mean, I'm sitting

00:29:52.480 here with you.

00:29:55.000 And I can tell my story.

00:29:57.360 Former Hatchell Security Advisor, Lieutenant General Michael Flanagan, pleaded guilty today

00:30:01.360 to the FBI, he was one of the most respected generals in the military.

00:30:05.120 He was, by definition, the most dangerous possible person for Donald Trump to hire.

00:30:10.880 He's a brilliant military career serving.

00:30:13.400 33.

00:30:14.300 Why was he being so elusive?

00:30:15.720 Mike Flynn told the truth and faced life in prison.

00:30:18.160 I'm not allowed.

00:30:32.540 We've done a lot of work.

00:30:33.220 We've done a lot of work.

00:30:37.960 I'm Ali.

00:30:40.120 I'm Demi.

00:30:42.580 I'm Breonna.

00:30:43.320 How is this going to work for me personally versus, okay, this is how it would help Tanya

00:30:55.880 or like these are symptoms that she was experiencing, but yeah, but yeah, we synced up and you know,

00:31:02.060 I look at people like Brianna and Alana, you know, you're still probably wanting to have children,

00:31:07.580 you know.

00:31:13.320 Thank you.

00:31:43.300 Welcome back.

00:31:44.140 I'm Roger Stone and you're back in the Stone Zone.

00:31:47.260 Well, as you heard in the first segment with our guest, Glenn Rhodes, the cell phone system

00:31:55.080 is extraordinarily fragile.

00:31:57.160 We saw it go down only weeks ago.

00:32:00.340 Those who had AT&T left millions stranded and with no way to communicate.

00:32:07.300 Cell phone networks are big targets for hackers, terrorists, or perhaps it's just a hurricane.

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00:34:05.960 matter what happens in America.

00:34:08.660 Strongly urge you to check it out.

00:34:11.680 Okay, Troy, we're back in the stone zone.

00:34:15.200 And let's get back to what most people want to talk about.

00:34:19.200 Politics, politics, politics.

00:34:22.820 Take it away.

00:34:24.860 Well, thank you, Roger.

00:34:25.520 There's a lot of controversy recently over a statue that was unveiled in the U.S. Capitol.

00:34:32.020 And I wanted to get your opinion on this because I read online that you had actually met Billy

00:34:36.860 Graham, who this statue is a few times.

00:34:40.780 They released this.

00:34:41.520 They unveiled it.

00:34:42.200 I believe we have a video of it being unveiled that we're going to kind of roll here while

00:34:44.980 we're talking.

00:34:47.080 It's of Billy Graham.

00:34:48.300 And they've unveiled the statue in the Capitol.

00:34:50.220 Leftists are absolutely freaking out about this.

00:34:53.300 But as I said, you obviously have met this gentleman.

00:34:56.140 And I wanted to get your thoughts on the statue and your experience meeting Reverend Billy

00:35:00.580 Graham, the legendary Billy Graham.

00:35:03.040 Billy Graham was one of the greatest men of the 20th century.

00:35:07.600 I met him when I was very young, working for President Richard Nixon.

00:35:14.860 I had occasion to pick him up at the old Key Biscayne Hilton Hotel, which I remember very

00:35:22.400 distinctly was made of pink stucco, and drive him to Nixon's understated compound in Key Biscayne.

00:35:30.780 Reverend Graham gave me a Bible that I still have today.

00:35:35.180 He signed it for me.

00:35:37.520 Many, many years later, when I was targeted for destruction in the Mueller witch hunt,

00:35:44.120 I had the opportunity, when I was going through a very, very difficult time personally, to

00:35:49.760 meet his son, Franklin Graham.

00:35:52.740 It was Franklin Graham who really, I guess, was the final voice in persuading me to change

00:35:59.620 my life, to turn my life over to Jesus Christ, to ask Christ to come into my life as my personal

00:36:07.380 savior, and to protect me from those who were seeking to destroy me.

00:36:12.600 I escaped the deadly snare set by Adam Schiff, Robert Mueller, and others only because I was

00:36:22.480 redeemed in the blood of the cross.

00:36:24.780 So I'm very proud to have a signed Bible from Franklin Graham as well.

00:36:31.520 Billy Graham is a great man.

00:36:33.440 Now, I understand when I talk about my Christian faith and my belief in redemption, it drives

00:36:40.240 liberals, communists, atheists, and leftists absolutely, positively insane.

00:36:47.020 When I see people, you know, in public, in an airport or a restaurant or a drugstore, and they

00:36:54.940 say something nasty to me, they call me a name, or they accuse me of being a Russian spy or a

00:37:01.380 traitor, I used to respond with four-letter words.

00:37:05.900 I don't do that anymore. 0.97

00:37:07.400 Now I say, you're very misguided, therefore I'm going to pray for you.

00:37:12.440 And it's like throwing holy water on a vampire.

00:37:17.600 These people are so infuriated by that peaceful claim, and that my wish that they be enlightened

00:37:26.460 and also be saved.

00:37:28.720 Look, the Bible tells us that we must forgive, but it doesn't tell us that we must forget.

00:37:35.620 That's the hardest thing to do about being a Christian, particularly if you are a Sicilian.

00:37:41.180 And revenge is built into your culture.

00:37:44.660 But I have managed to do that.

00:37:47.040 And I give Franklin Graham, among other clergymen and other priests, rabbis, and other religious

00:37:55.740 leaders who I was speaking to in that period.

00:37:58.440 But I give Franklin Graham, the son of Billy Graham, a great preacher in his own right, the

00:38:05.260 real credit for convincing me to change my life, which, of course, ended up saving my

00:38:11.660 life.

00:38:12.440 All right, let's continue.

00:38:14.680 Absolutely, Roger.

00:38:15.680 We have a little bit more on the political front, kind of breaking stuff that's going on.

00:38:20.100 A tweet from the Biden HQ in this campaign.

00:38:23.360 They're actually, now we've been talking about this for a long time now, Roger.

00:38:26.540 They've been trying to make the case that it's actually Trump who has trouble speaking or

00:38:31.340 things like that.

00:38:32.080 They're actually trying to make the argument that he has problems with speaking and things

00:38:37.320 of that nature.

00:38:37.980 While Biden can't even talk to the cameras, he can't talk to reporters.

00:38:41.540 He refuses to have a press conference by himself.

00:38:45.820 And yet we have the Biden HQ tweeting things out.

00:38:48.120 We can put that tweet up now and we'll go through it.

00:38:51.120 Basically, they're chastising President Trump, saying all these things about, oh, he's feeble

00:38:57.020 minded and he's reading a handler printed Fox News article.

00:39:01.760 And we had a response to that tweet, which I thought was great.

00:39:04.540 It was a video that President Trump had posted on his Truth Social account of President Joe

00:39:09.240 Biden.

00:39:09.940 And I think the video speaks for itself.

00:39:11.640 Let's run that now.

00:39:12.440 That certainly does not give one great confidence.

00:39:29.600 Look, anyone who followed that entire incident in New York understands that what Trump was

00:39:35.860 doing was reading the opinions of various legal experts about the flawed nature of the charges

00:39:44.300 against him.

00:39:45.380 Nobody could be expected to memorize verbatim what other people had said.

00:39:51.580 Trump does plenty talking on his own behalf.

00:39:54.580 But let's remember that he's at least partially gagged in this trial.

00:40:00.800 And therefore, he's really not allowed to defend himself.

00:40:04.960 Reading the opinions of others, like, for example, Jonathan Turley, the George Washington

00:40:12.780 University college professor, law professor, writes for the New York Post, being a perfect

00:40:18.420 example, does not in any way reflect on Trump's inability to have something to say.

00:40:25.080 If anything, the president has more than enough to say.

00:40:29.340 This trial does not seem to be going very well for the prosecutors.

00:40:34.960 Michael Cohen seems to have been a giant disappointment on the stand, both in terms of the case he laid

00:40:44.800 out for the government, where I don't believe he ever was able to establish Trump's knowledge

00:40:51.160 or ability in these complicated financial transactions, but also where Soros funded prosecutor Alvin Bragg has been unable to demonstrate what the underlying crime is here that makes this a criminal trial.

00:41:10.540 In other words, the entry into the Trump organization books calling the payments a legal expense when they are, in fact, a legal expense.

00:41:24.500 Not sure how else you would book it.

00:41:27.180 That is not illegal.

00:41:28.840 It would only be illegal if those payments were executed in an effort to cover up some underlying crime.

00:41:39.840 Well, reaching an NDA agreement with an individual is not a crime.

00:41:46.540 The U.S.

00:41:47.580 attorneys in the Southern District of New York examined these transactions.

00:41:52.460 They took Cohen himself to the grand jury.

00:41:56.620 I think they concluded he was not a credible witness.

00:42:00.920 They brought no charges.

00:42:02.140 The Federal Election Commission also examined these transactions.

00:42:07.700 They brought no charges.

00:42:10.120 Now, strangely, Judge Juan Merchant has barred Trump and his lawyers from making those two facts known to the jury.

00:42:21.340 To me, that smacks of their efforts to rig this trial.

00:42:25.500 Why would you not want the jury to know that two previous investigations, actually three, because the investigator Mark Pomerantz, who strangely left Washington to join Alvin Bragg's staff, even he concluded that this was not a crime on which Trump could be prosecuted.

00:42:49.080 But, again, the judge will not allow Trump's lawyers to put Mr. Pomerantz on the stand or to question him.

00:42:59.560 By all accounts, the cross-examination of Cohen by Todd Blanche, Donald Trump's lawyer, was masterful in terms of, once again, demonstrating that it was Cohen who was behind these transactions.

00:43:18.340 It was Cohen who went out and took a home equity loan without the knowledge of his wife, without the knowledge of Donald Trump, in order to make the payments to Keith Davidson, the attorney who was representing Stormy Daniels.

00:43:36.120 It appears to me like this entire thing was done by Michael Cohen as a way to try to prove his loyalty to Donald Trump and presumably as a way to try to get a position in the Trump administration.

00:43:55.540 We know, I know this firsthand, Michael Cohen was furious about the fact that he was not named as attorney general.

00:44:05.100 He was furious about the fact that he was not named as White House counsel.

00:44:10.020 He was furious about the fact that he was not the White House chief of staff.

00:44:14.680 I have to be candid.

00:44:16.300 I've known Michael Cohen for over 30 years. 1.00

00:44:19.100 He is one of the dumbest human beings I have ever met. 1.00

00:44:22.600 I'm surprised that he ever passed the bar exam. 1.00

00:44:26.880 Yet he considered himself Mr. Fix-It.

00:44:30.280 In fact, he actually went out with a pilot for a TV program entitled Mr. Fix-It. 0.66

00:44:38.400 He also considered himself a sex symbol.

00:44:41.580 Folks can go to X, used to be known as Twitter, and look up women for Cohen right now.

00:44:47.880 And you see a page that, obviously, he himself constructed, saying that he is somehow an advocate for women.

00:44:58.800 This is very, very laughable.

00:45:02.440 I think he did more damage than he did good for Mr. Bragg's case, and like Americans across the country.

00:45:09.400 I'm praying that there is just one juror, one juror who is fair-minded, one juror who is not politically motivated, one juror who can look at the facts and realize that Donald Trump is innocent.

00:45:24.740 That's all it would take to hang this jury.

00:45:28.280 They would be unable to reach a conclusion.

00:45:30.720 As you know, it must be unanimous.

00:45:33.300 And hopefully this nightmare, this particular nightmare, would be over.

00:45:39.520 Yesterday, you saw all these Republican members of Congress and others troop to the microphones and denounce this endorsement.

00:45:47.440 People say, oh, that's just politics.

00:45:48.960 No, that isn't politics.

00:45:50.540 This is not a legitimate indictment.

00:45:53.140 There is no crime here.

00:45:55.180 This is lawfare.

00:45:56.720 This isn't the rule of law that the left likes to talk so much about, but which they really don't, as you know, actually respect.

00:46:07.720 No, it doesn't seem that they have any respect for themselves even, Roger, and that's evident by the witnesses that they bring up.

00:46:13.460 I mean, Stormy Daniels was going off about how she believes in ghosts and she believes that she's in contact with spirits and things of that nature.

00:46:21.280 I mean, this woman, look, there's a lot of problems with just about every witness that they've brought forth. 0.98

00:46:26.000 And when you get into Keith Davidson and the revelations that Bubba Clem, the legendary radio host, made on this show, it reveals really what this case is all about, Roger.

00:46:35.780 And my question to you would be, you know, everyone's saying, oh, like you said, it's political that these people are going up there.

00:46:42.720 But to me, this case is about much more than that, in that we are figuring out just about right now how a presidential candidate who really is without it.

00:46:53.080 I mean, even his detractors have to have to admit that he's the most popular political figure in America in at least the last hundred years, probably of all time.

00:47:02.400 And it's not, I don't think, really that close.

00:47:05.480 And you look at his popularity, the number of people that will come to see him at a rally and things of that nature.

00:47:11.460 And the political system is so angry that he's getting the attention, that he's the champion of the people, that they're coming after him.

00:47:19.460 And they don't ever want him to be in power again, Roger.

00:47:22.200 And my question to you is, do you think that this is solely about Trump, or do you think that this is a precedent that they're trying to set, that anybody who dares question them for the rest of time will be put through the Trump ringer?

00:47:36.740 It's an excellent question, Troy.

00:47:38.900 I think the short answer is that they see Donald Trump as an existential threat to their hold on power.

00:47:44.900 And indeed, as Mike Davis said earlier on my WABC radio show, which can be heard this Sunday between 4 and 6, Mike Davis with the Amendment 3 project, look, there is a civil rights violation here.

00:47:59.900 Donald Trump's civil rights have been repeatedly violated.

00:48:04.020 They were violated in the Russian collusion hoax.

00:48:07.020 They were violated here in this racketeering conspiracy to interfere in the election.

00:48:14.900 I think these people fear prosecution themselves.

00:48:18.980 And that's why, sadly, they will do anything necessary to stop Donald Trump from returning to the White House.

00:48:26.800 We're going to have to take a quick commercial break.

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00:50:27.860 Welcome back, folks.

00:50:33.040 If you're just tuning in, I'm Roger Stone.

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00:52:05.100 All right, Troy, people want to know about our views on politics.

00:52:10.340 What else have you got for us?

00:52:12.560 Roger, one of the great honors of being on the show and getting to ask you questions every day is that you've seen so much politically.

00:52:18.360 And you've been through a lot politically.

00:52:20.340 And it brings me back to something that's referenced in one of the great films of our time, I think, Get Me Roger Stone.

00:52:26.260 And in that film, they actually show a clip of you talking about being involved in Watergate.

00:52:33.840 And they actually have a board, which I took screenshots of that we can put up now, where you were actually named during the Watergate trials.

00:52:42.240 And they put your name up on the board.

00:52:43.780 You talked about it in Get Me Roger Stone.

00:52:45.700 And I wanted to ask you about the comparison because you've seen both of this.

00:52:50.420 You've seen both ends of the spectrum here, Roger.

00:52:52.240 You saw Nixon taken down over Watergate.

00:52:54.920 You had a front row seat to that.

00:52:56.540 And you've actually also been involved in Crossfire Hurricane as a victim of that.

00:53:01.480 So, I'd like to ask you just to compare the two.

00:53:04.040 It would seem to me that the spygate, the Obama spying, is 10 times the scandal that Watergate was.

00:53:12.080 What is your perspective of somebody who had a front row seat?

00:53:16.000 Look, Watergate came to represent a much broader series of actions beyond the break-in in the Democratic National Committee headquarters.

00:53:27.320 To this day, there's no evidence that Richard Nixon himself knew about or ordered the break-in.

00:53:32.920 There's also no evidence that would establish a clear motive for the break-in.

00:53:39.420 Anybody who'd been in presidential politics knew that there was nothing worth seeing at the Democratic National Committee headquarters.

00:53:47.620 That action would be over at George McGovern's headquarters.

00:53:51.760 There are multiple theories.

00:53:53.780 I was 19 years old during Watergate.

00:53:56.720 I worked for a man named Bart Porter, who in turn worked for Jeb Stuart Magruder.

00:54:02.200 What that chart represents is the fact that I was instructed to pay an individual who was in the field and reporting to us on the status of the Democratic Party primaries.

00:54:17.080 No, it was not Donald Segretti.

00:54:19.580 No, I never met or had any contact or interaction with Donald Segretti.

00:54:24.040 Never heard his name until the Senate Watergate hearings.

00:54:28.740 There is a rude expression.

00:54:33.060 It's rat blank that came out of fraternity politics at the University of Southern California that was popularized not by Roger Stone,

00:54:44.100 but by Donald Segretti, H.R. Haldeman, and others who were, you know, USC students.

00:54:52.660 Now, you compare that to Obamagate, if you want to call it that, or the Russian collusion hoax, which, as you know, is a much bigger scandal.

00:55:04.060 Here's why.

00:55:05.400 In Watergate, a group of private citizens, while extraordinarily misguided, sought to break into the Watergate, where their listening devices never actually worked.

00:55:19.060 Today, there's a lot of evidence in declassified documents that the CIA was well aware of the break-in plan prior to its execution, that they infiltrated the burglar team.

00:55:33.400 At least four of the Watergate burglars were still on the payroll of the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:55:40.780 And they infiltrated the break-in, which was purposely botched in an effort to take Nixon down.

00:55:50.320 A lot of evidence that that is the case.

00:55:54.020 But there's no abuse of power there, as there is in the case of Russiagate, as it will, or the Russian collusion hoax.

00:56:04.040 That is, the use of the full authority of the United States government and the extraordinary capabilities of our intelligence agencies, utilizing, essentially, the Steele dossier,

00:56:19.960 and also what they knew to be the false claim that the Democratic National Committee had been hacked by Russian intelligence, for which there is still, to this day, not an iota of proof, just a claim by John Brennan,

00:56:35.280 who I think is questionable as a source, in order to launch an illegitimate and therefore illegal efforts to remove a duly elected president.

00:56:46.640 That is the greatest dirty trick in American political history.

00:56:52.940 And what's ironic is that Jake Sullivan, who Special Counsel John Durham's special report, final report, told us, was knee-deep in these efforts.

00:57:07.520 The man who knew, for example, that there was no Russian Alpha Bank computer terminal in Trump Tower, inside the Trump Organization, but went forward and claimed there was anyway.

00:57:22.060 Hillary Clinton knew that that was a lie.

00:57:24.260 She also went forward claiming otherwise.

00:57:27.440 Then you have Anthony Blinken, who, by the way, is as bad at playing the guitar and singing as he is at diplomacy and statecraft, being the guy who lined up the 51 current and former intelligence assets,

00:57:46.560 all of whom co-signed a letter that they knew to be a lie that said that Hunter Biden's laptop contents had, quote, all the hallmarks of Russian intelligence, a lie that they were able to continue to perpetrate right up until Election Day.

00:58:06.440 Now, polls show us that as many as 17 percent of those who voted for Biden now say, had they been aware of the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop, they would not have voted for Biden.

00:58:20.340 So a clear act of election interference.

00:58:24.300 Yet I was prosecuted, even though I did nothing wrong.

00:58:29.240 No Russian collusion, no WikiLeaks collaboration, no other crime.

00:58:34.120 Paul Manafort was prosecuted for financial crimes that had been examined by the Justice Department 15 years earlier and rejected for lack of evidence.

00:58:46.860 Those were were were were recycled in an effort to put pressure on him.

00:58:52.600 They incarcerated him before he was even convicted of any crime.

00:58:57.800 He spent 16 months in jail before he even got to trial.

00:59:02.740 Now, it didn't sound very American to me.

00:59:05.980 General Flynn, for those who have not seen the new bio picture, Flynn, the film, I strongly, strongly urge you to do so.

00:59:16.700 So once again, between Watergate and Obamagate, that's the difference between an ocean liner and a robo.

00:59:25.940 It is without any question, Watergate is a far less serious crime, yet it was used successfully to remove a president.

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Will Terrorists Take Down America's Power Grid？ With Glenn Rhoades ｜ The StoneZONE w⧸ Roger Stone

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