The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Will The 2024 Election Be Decided In The Supreme Court Or The Ballot Box？ The StoneZONE!

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.

00:00:13.600 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:17.920 He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:23.560 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts,

00:00:27.520 spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:34.540 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:39.880 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:47.480 Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.

00:00:52.840 This may be the first presidential contest in American history.

00:00:57.520 That is more decided than in the courts than at the ballot box.

00:01:03.800 We have the ongoing spectacle of a former president of the United States being prosecuted in Manhattan on a trumped-up charge that, at worst, would be a business records violation.

00:01:21.060 That would be even if Trump himself were guilty of that, which he is accused.

00:01:26.940 This is a travesty, one that I myself have been through.

00:01:31.100 For the judge, despite various acts of bias, including a campaign contribution to Joe Biden and a classic conflict of interest in which his daughter, an adult Democrat political operative, makes millions of dollars using the very trial that he presides over as a talking point in her fundraising.

00:01:54.400 You have the president moving for a change of venue, as I did.

00:01:59.320 That will be denied.

00:02:01.020 You have the president moving for the recusal of the judge, as I did.

00:02:07.420 That has been denied.

00:02:09.440 You have seen the judge limit those matters the president can offer in his own defense.

00:02:16.360 It's happened in my trial as well.

00:02:19.000 I was never allowed to prove that there had never been any online hack of the Democratic National Committee by the Russians or, for that matter, anyone else.

00:02:31.040 So, pardon me if I've seen this movie.

00:02:34.760 There were also, however, extremely important arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court pertaining to the immunity of a U.S. president.

00:02:45.040 We're going to be talking about that today.

00:02:48.720 Joining me first is my regular co-host, Troy Smith, the editor-in-chief of Slingshot.news.

00:02:58.620 Roger, happy Monday.

00:03:00.020 Always good to be back in the Stone Zone.

00:03:02.180 Great to be back with you.

00:03:04.140 We are really privileged today, as we look at all of these legal questions, to be joined by Will Scharf.

00:03:11.480 Will Scharf is one of the president's attorneys.

00:03:15.260 He is a former federal prosecutor.

00:03:18.120 He also just happens to be a Republican candidate for the Office of Attorney General of Missouri.

00:03:24.740 And we're going to talk about that a little bit later.

00:03:27.460 But I'm very pleased that a member of the president's legal team, Will Scharf, can join us on the Stone Zone today.

00:03:36.440 Great to be with you guys.

00:03:37.820 Thanks so much for having me.

00:03:39.820 Well, it's terrific to have you.

00:03:41.320 I want to thank you again.

00:03:42.380 You did my WABC New York radio show.

00:03:45.780 It was extremely well-received.

00:03:48.300 And I appreciate your being with us today.

00:03:52.600 Let's start with the federal stuff.

00:03:56.040 Every week, it seems that Judge Cannon, who seems to me to be exactly what the hard left doesn't want, an honest judge guided by the rule of law, continues to strip back the veil.

00:04:13.760 Well, because, as I learned in my own case, these prosecutors love to operate in secrecy.

00:04:19.400 They love to redact as much as they possibly can so that the people, and maybe even the plaintiff, doesn't really totally understand, pardon me, the defendant doesn't always totally understand what exactly has transpired and what is currently going on.

00:04:37.160 So starting with that case, I'm interested in your observations in the most recent developments in the case, including the judge's decision to continue to shield the identity of certain potential witnesses, but also more recent decisions in the case.

00:04:57.900 Yeah, so Judge Cannon has released publicly information, some of which was known, some of which wasn't, but some of these unredacted documents are very, very interesting.

00:05:11.020 So, for example, we had documents released last week relating to the very serious allegations of misconduct that have been leveled by Walt Nauta's attorney.

00:05:22.880 Walt Nauta is one of President Trump's co-defendants, a personal aide to President Trump.

00:05:27.660 Walt Nauta's attorneys have leveled very serious accusations of misconduct against a prosecutor in the special counsel's office named Jay Bratt.

00:05:36.080 The allegation is basically that in an early meeting between Jay Bratt and Walt Nauta's attorney, Stanley Woodward, Bratt essentially threatened Woodward that if he couldn't get Nauta to testify, his pending application for a D.C. Superior Court judgeship would be in jeopardy.

00:05:55.000 That is a very, very serious accusation.

00:05:58.020 It had been reported on publicly in a number of publications, but we hadn't seen it made public in court documents until last week.

00:06:08.580 There were also revelations relating to how exactly these boxes of documents ended up in President Trump's possession, and it appears, based on the unredacted documents, that actually a very large quantity of these boxes were shipped directly to President Trump on a pallet by NARA, the National Archives.

00:06:28.120 Remember that President Trump is being charged essentially with willfully possessing national defense information that he knew he didn't have the right to have in his possession and then refusing to turn it over to a federal official he knew had the right to possess it.

00:06:45.480 Now, if those documents were shipped to President Trump directly from the federal government, proving that he knew he wasn't supposed to have them becomes a much, much thornier factual question for the prosecution.

00:06:57.820 So, in short, seeing all of these things that have been kind of under the table and whispered about come to light in public court documents in the last few days, I think really shows how weak that prosecution is and shows some of the very serious issues, both ethical and legal, that I think will continue to come to light in the coming months.

00:07:19.920 It seemed to me in some of the earlier oral arguments, while the judge appeared, of course, is always reading the tea leaves, but while it appeared that the judge was not buying the Presidential Records Act as providing a shield to the president in this area, she did seem somewhat more interested in the Selective Prosecution Act.

00:07:46.720 I mean, we do have a report from a special counsel, a special counsel appointed by Merrick Garland, who could have appointed anyone he wanted, that specifically says that President Joe Biden willfully retained certain top secret and classified documents in violation of the law.

00:08:08.420 Now, while they go on to say that despite the fact they say several places that he did this, they go on to say that he should not essentially be prosecuted because of his age, kind of an odd conclusion.

00:08:21.320 Beyond that, you still have, in the documents case, a preservation by the president's lawyers of a potential challenge to the legality of Jack Smith's very appointment.

00:08:39.920 There is, I think, a legitimate legal theory, without getting in the weeds, that because he was never approved by the U.S. Senate, because he was not a sitting U.S. attorney, and thus having been approved by the U.S. Senate, I should say confirmed, that his appointment may be illegitimate.

00:09:02.580 Tell me your thinking on all of that, if you would.

00:09:05.260 Yeah, so on the Presidential Records Act point, what Judge Cannon has basically said is that she views that as an issue for trial.

00:09:13.400 So I think that we will end up presenting evidence based on the Presidential Records Act that President Trump believed that he had the right to retain these documents.

00:09:23.480 And that is a defense under the law based on the Espionage Act subsection that President Trump has been charged with.

00:09:30.940 And if the jury believes that President Trump believed that he had the right to retain these documents, then that would be a defense.

00:09:38.880 That would be exonerative.

00:09:40.500 So while the case wasn't dismissed on the basis of the Presidential Records Act, that's going to be an issue for trial.

00:09:47.140 On the appointments question, we've made that argument in Florida, as has former Attorney General Ed Meese and a number of others, that Jack Smith's appointment is constitutionally invalid.

00:09:57.980 That's going to be an issue that we're going to have to see play out in the courts, likely both at the district court level and on appeal.

00:10:05.920 But I think the argument is compelling and strong.

00:10:08.420 We've never had a special counsel before who had not gone through the Senate confirmation process, who was not thereby made an officer of the United States through the typical constitutional process.

00:10:19.740 So that's a powerful argument.

00:10:21.740 And Judge Cannon seems open to it.

00:10:23.980 And on the selective prosecution point, I think it's clear that this is a selective prosecution, whether the case ends up being dismissed or not.

00:10:32.700 I think the optics around all of these documents cases just think that, you know, Hillary Clinton was given a slap on the wrist.

00:10:39.660 Joe Biden won't be prosecuted because I guess the jury would be too sympathetic because he's old and forgetful.

00:10:45.260 And yet President Trump is facing felony indictment in the Southern District of Florida over exactly the same offenses, whereas the conduct of Biden and Hillary doesn't even have the legal shield of the Presidential Records Act and some of the other defenses that we've raised.

00:10:59.600 So I think it's clearly a case of selective prosecution.

00:11:02.220 I think the American people understand that.

00:11:04.700 And we'll have to see how that plays out in court in the coming weeks.

00:11:07.700 Folks, if you're just tuning in, we're talking to Will Scharf, who is one of President Trump's attorneys, a very able attorney, also a candidate for the Office of Attorney General of Missouri.

00:11:23.780 We're going to talk about that in a little bit.

00:11:26.220 I'm here with my co-host, Troy Smith, and our guest, Will Scharf.

00:11:29.980 We're going to take a quick commercial break, and we'll be back with Will Scharf for some more discussion of the tsunami of lawfare being waged at President Donald Trump.

00:11:42.380 Don't go away.

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00:14:03.760 If you're just tuning in, I'm Roger Stone.

00:14:05.760 And yes, we're back on the Stone Zone.

00:14:08.400 I am here with my co-host, Troy Smith of Slingshot.news.

00:14:13.160 And our special guest today, Will Scharf, an able attorney from Missouri who is representing President Donald Trump,

00:14:21.500 but who also happens to be a candidate for the Republican nomination for the Office of Attorney General of Missouri.

00:14:30.620 We're going to talk about that a little bit and see if we can help Will raise a little campaign money.

00:14:36.180 But, Troy, you're up next.

00:14:38.460 A question for Will Scharf.

00:14:40.860 Absolutely.

00:14:41.200 Well, just one last thing on the documents case.

00:14:44.040 I think the narrative in the mainstream media has been that Biden complied and Trump didn't.

00:14:48.900 That's what they're saying.

00:14:50.020 Can you speak to that a little bit and the nature of that claim?

00:14:54.280 Because it seems to me to be completely false. 0.99

00:14:57.160 It's absolutely ridiculous.

00:14:59.000 President Trump was making, I'd say, diligent efforts to comply with reasonable requests for documents. 0.60

00:15:05.060 He was personally going through many of these boxes to find materials that were requested or that had to be returned.

00:15:13.320 President Trump was, I'd say, fully cooperative up until the point that DOJ raided Mar-a-Lago in a completely unprecedented, unwarranted, unjustified, blatant use of force. 0.92

00:15:26.800 So I think that's an absolute garbage narrative.

00:15:30.020 And it's also worth noting that Mar-a-Lago is a Secret Service secured facility totally on a different level than Joe Biden's garage, where these boxes and boxes of top secret documents seem to have just been sitting around for years. 0.63

00:15:44.240 Biden himself said that he didn't know how these documents came to be in his possession, came to be in different places, which shows a total lack of awareness, lack of really the presence of any responsible chain of custody in stark contradistinction to President Trump's actions and activities.

00:16:04.620 So I think the facts of the case against Joe Biden are far more damning than the facts in President Trump's case.

00:16:12.320 And that's reflected in our selective prosecution motion.

00:16:15.800 And I think the American public understands that.

00:16:19.160 Again, the idea that President Trump may be forced to stand trial over these sorts of document retention issues, particularly the fact that he was indicted under the Espionage Act, I think just to sort of inflame the passions of the American people, it definitely speaks to selective prosecution.

00:16:37.540 We've moved to dismiss on that ground.

00:16:39.960 And I think that contrary, again, to the mainstream media narrative, that Florida case is far, far weaker on the facts and on the law than people realize.

00:16:50.200 And we're hopeful that more of that comes to light again in the coming weeks and months.

00:16:54.840 Look, I'm a layman, and I'm very grateful for the for the X and sub stack of Julie Kelly, who seems to move very quickly to analyze the latest filings, highlight them for them for you, try to explain what they mean.

00:17:13.220 I mean, she does an amazing job, proud to be a subscriber for her sub stack.

00:17:18.840 But it would actually appear to me before we leave the documents case, that the more that is redacted, the more you see what appears to me to be a conspiracy to entrap the president of the United States to set him up.

00:17:34.600 I mean, it appears to me he didn't ask for this ballot of documents, boxes of documents to be sent to Florida.

00:17:42.360 They were sent at the at the initiative of NARA, who then turns around and says, oh, look, the president has all these documents he's not supposed to have.

00:17:53.700 Is that unfair?

00:17:54.620 I don't think that's unfair. I think we're going to see more facts about exactly how these documents came to be at Mar-a-Lago and frankly, what was in these boxes of documents as this case continues to play out in court.

00:18:09.160 I agree with you. Julie Kelly is an absolute killer. She seems to move through court filings faster than than I can. 0.99

00:18:15.260 I'm not on the trial team in Florida, so I'm actually seeing much of this information for the first time as it's being unredacted.

00:18:22.100 And and she's been just an awesome resource and I think a great resource to the public, at least the public who's interested in following the objective truth about all of these cases.

00:18:32.320 But but I think that's right, that these documents, again, they have to prove as part of the charges, as part of these Espionage Act charges, that President Trump knew that he did not have the right to retain these documents.

00:18:44.120 And the fact that they were effectively being shipped to him by the federal government, I think, creates a very, very serious factual question that any fair jury would rightfully scrutinize over the president's knowledge and intent, which is ultimately at the heart of this case.

00:18:58.640 Well, are we are we ever going to know exactly what these documents pertain to seems to me that that's the great mystery here seems to me that the government would like to charge President Trump for the retention of certain documents,

00:19:17.260 but they don't particularly want the American people to know what those documents pertain to.

00:19:22.800 Am I reading that right?

00:19:25.120 I think we haven't seen those publicly so far.

00:19:28.400 I think if the case were to move to trial, we would probably or we would hear a lot more about them and probably see the documents themselves.

00:19:36.000 I would note, though, that, you know, this is often talked about as a classified documents case, which is actually a legal misnomer.

00:19:45.200 The Espionage Act section that President Trump is charged under refers to national defense information, not classified information.

00:19:53.600 National defense information or NDI is a separate classification under the law, relates specifically to information that could damage America or help its foreign adversaries.

00:20:04.840 As you know, classification is a controversial issue.

00:20:08.960 I think most people would agree that the government overclassifies quite radically.

00:20:14.140 We're not talking about classified information here just because a document had a classified marking on it, was designated, you know, secret, top secret, confidential, et cetera, does not make it national defense information under the law.

00:20:29.180 And that's going to be another factual issue that's going to have to play out as this case progresses.

00:20:34.840 But it's just really important to focus on what President Trump is actually being charged with as opposed to what the media represents this case as.

00:20:43.240 I think that's equally true, actually, in the New York trial.

00:20:45.780 But in Florida in particular, it's really important to note that this is willful possession without appropriate right of national defense information specifically.

00:20:58.080 And I think the government's going to have a very difficult time proving that because President Trump didn't do anything wrong.

00:21:03.500 OK, so before we move to a discussion of those Supreme Court arguments last week, let's touch for a moment on the New York case, your assessment of that so far.

00:21:19.100 I mean, I've known Donald Trump for 45 years.

00:21:23.720 I know him extremely well, and I can see that he is angry, which I think he has every right to be.

00:21:30.540 I think he's bored because he has to sit there in a trial when he should be out campaigning for president or raising money for his campaign for president.

00:21:40.440 I can understand the indignity of this because it is it's a stretch, to say the least, my opinion, your thoughts of how that trial is going so far.

00:21:52.140 So far, I think it's going very, very well.

00:21:55.180 I'm somewhat limited in what I can say about witness testimony because of the unconstitutional unilateral gag order that Judge Mershon applied against us.

00:22:03.300 But by all reports, things are going very, very well.

00:22:06.980 And I think the reason for that is that President Trump didn't actually do anything wrong here.

00:22:12.420 What he's being charged with is a business records violation.

00:22:15.380 The allegation is that recordings made in his personal ledger in 2017 inaccurately reflected payments made to Michael Cohen, his lawyer, as legal retainer payments.

00:22:28.200 Now, as Todd Blanche, attorney for President Trump, said in opening arguments, the relevant entries made were not made by President Trump.

00:22:38.340 He was in the White House running the country.

00:22:40.360 This is 2017.

00:22:41.240 The business entries in question were made by a woman named Deb in Trump Tower, hundreds and hundreds of miles away in New York.

00:22:50.260 And President Trump didn't really have anything to do with those.

00:22:54.060 So, again, the business records themselves were not inaccurate.

00:22:57.980 They reflected legal payments to President Trump's lawyer as as that.

00:23:03.440 And President Trump didn't really make them.

00:23:06.400 So just at a very basic factual level, this case doesn't have any legs to stand on.

00:23:13.380 And that's why I think what you're going to see, what we've seen and will continue to see, is a smoke and mirrors strategy by the DA's office, that they're going to throw up all of this smoke about election stuff and decades old stories about affairs and, you know, playboy playmates and whatever else.

00:23:31.780 But in terms of the actual facts of the case, I think as the factual picture becomes more and more clear, it's going to come increasingly into focus that President Trump did absolutely nothing wrong here, that this case is a show trial.

00:23:47.220 And I would hope that any fair-minded juror would vote to acquit for that reason alone.

00:23:51.420 And I think that, you know, even in a New York jury, the facts here are going to be strong enough that we're going to end up winning the day here.

00:23:59.440 Well, from your mouth to God's ear, look, if paying a woman to maintain her silence regarding a sexual affair or a crime, well, then Bill Clinton would be in jail because he paid Paula Jones $868,000 in a settlement and in a nondisclosure agreement.

00:24:25.160 And that assumes that Trump is, in fact, guilty of what he's accused of.

00:24:29.120 And as you just pointed out, that's not at all been proven.

00:24:33.560 It just seems to me this is, with their strategy in Florida stalled, with their strategy in D.C. stalled, this is all they have.

00:24:43.360 And they will try to use it to vilify the president, drain his time.

00:24:50.500 This is absolutely key, from the campaign trail, and obviously drain his money for attorneys.

00:24:58.200 Although it was revealed last week, after all of the criticism of the president of having super PACs associated with him pay his legal fees, in actions that are all related to his running for president, he wouldn't be a defendant if he weren't running for president.

00:25:18.240 Now we learn the Democratic National Committee has been paying Joe Biden's legal fees as they pertain to the investigation of the special counsel looking into his illegal retention of documents as vice president and as a U.S. senator.

00:25:36.900 Let's get to the Supreme Court and the immunity agreement.

00:25:43.540 That is obviously a crucial decision by the court.

00:25:48.460 Just to review for people, the president's lawyers first raised the immunity issue at the trial court level.

00:25:55.160 The trial court judge rejected it.

00:25:57.800 They then went to appeal to the appeals court in D.C.

00:26:03.340 A special counsel, Smith, wanted to leapfrog the appeals court, go directly to the U.S. Supreme Court in order to expedite his prosecution.

00:26:15.360 The Supreme Court would not agree to that.

00:26:18.640 Therefore, they ended up back at the appeals court.

00:26:21.560 The appeals court ruled against the president.

00:26:24.000 No surprise there.

00:26:25.620 This is D.C.

00:26:26.700 The appeals court sat on the appeal of my gag for 16 months and then ruled that it wasn't ripe for decision because I had never asked the original trial judge who had placed the illegal unconstitutional gag on me to remove the gag as if she would have ever done so.

00:26:46.460 So I sustained 16 months of damage where the CNN and the Washington Post were destroying me as a Russian spy, as a traitor, etc., etc.

00:26:57.980 So I had did not have a high hopes for the appeals court in D.C.

00:27:04.300 And then the matter is now before the Supreme Court.

00:27:08.040 Your associate, Mr. Sauer, has been criticized, to be fair, about his handling of one specific question regarding whether if I can get this right, if the president ordered the assassination of his political opponents,

00:27:25.520 would he have immunity from prosecution?

00:27:29.040 It seems to have now come up twice.

00:27:30.940 It's a distraction, I agree, from the larger issues.

00:27:34.820 But tell us how you think the argument went last week and address that specific issue, if you could.

00:27:41.860 Yeah, we thought the arguments went very, very well.

00:27:44.640 And we think that's evidenced by the fact that there was a massive liberal media freak out immediately after the arguments.

00:27:51.260 So we felt very good coming out of the court.

00:27:53.880 We think the justices were viewing this issue in exactly the right way.

00:27:57.780 What we're talking about here is whether a president can be criminally indicted for his official acts in office.

00:28:04.800 We're not talking about private conduct.

00:28:06.820 If a president shoots somebody dead or takes a bribe or anything like that, that would be private conduct.

00:28:12.580 We're talking about can a president be indicted for official decisions that he makes while he's in office.

00:28:18.100 And we believe that the Constitution provides a very simple answer to that, which is no, unless he's first impeached and convicted by the House and Senate.

00:28:26.480 That's, in our view, what naturally follows by the executive vesting clause and the impeachment judgment clauses of the U.S. Constitution.

00:28:34.720 And I think that's borne out by the fact that no president in American history has ever been criminally prosecuted for his official act.

00:28:42.280 That's our system. That's our system. That's the way it's always been until we reached President Trump.

00:28:46.400 And suddenly he's been hailed into court for quintessentially presidential conduct.

00:28:51.880 I mean, if you look at the D.C. indictment, you're talking about asking the Department of Justice to investigate election fraud, considering replacing the acting attorney general.

00:29:01.740 I mean, these are core executive functions.

00:29:03.880 And in our view, if you don't have immunity for those sorts of acts, the presidency will be forever crippled, that every successive president will be essentially blackmailed by the threat of criminal prosecution once he leaves office, that the presidency itself will be defanged as an institution, and that will undermine our entire constitutional system of executive power.

00:29:27.180 It's worth noting that in 1982, the Supreme Court recognized in Nixon v. Fitzgerald that a president has absolute civil immunity for his official acts in office.

00:29:38.340 So all we're really asking the Supreme Court to do is apply that existing civil standard into the criminal context.

00:29:45.680 And it seemed like the justices were deeply concerned about the idea that a president could be indicted for core official conduct.

00:29:52.940 In terms of the SEAL Team 6 hypothetical, or at the Supreme Court we were asked about military coups, the short answer is that our Constitution, our system of government, provides very, very powerful checks against those sorts of abuses of office.

00:30:08.380 Those checks do not include criminal prosecution.

00:30:11.140 In the case of SEAL Team 6, if they're given a blatantly unlawful order, they're actually under a legal obligation to disobey that order.

00:30:18.980 And I would certainly hope that that would happen if a president ordered SEAL Team 6 to assassinate his political rival.

00:30:25.940 That doesn't mean that a president undertaking an official act like that, giving an order to the military, should be susceptible to criminal prosecution.

00:30:34.880 Otherwise, I mean, President Obama could be indicted for drone strikes that killed American citizens.

00:30:40.000 George W. Bush could be indicted for actions relating to the Iraq War.

00:30:44.040 It's a never-ending cycle of recrimination and political prosecution that will severely damage the office of the presidency.

00:30:53.000 So we view this case as even bigger than President Trump, bigger than the facts presented.

00:30:57.400 We view this as being about our constitutional system and about safeguarding the office of the presidency.

00:31:03.580 And we heard very similar concerns for many of the justices, Justice Kavanaugh and Justice Gorsuch, Justice Alito in particular.

00:31:12.160 I think we had a very good day. I'm hopeful for how that opinion comes out.

00:31:17.440 At the very least, we think that we're going to get a remand that will push this case off past Election Day,

00:31:23.960 which is important for President Trump and for the sanctity of our electoral process.

00:31:28.760 But we're hopeful that the Supreme Court recognizes a vigorous doctrine of executive immunity that will shield the presidency

00:31:35.820 and ensure that presidents can make the tough decisions that they have to make without being unduly influenced by the threat of criminal prosecution once they leave office.

00:31:45.960 Excellent. Excellent. Excellent answer. Thank you very much.

00:31:50.280 All right, folks, if you're just tuning in, we're here with Will Scharf, who represents President Donald Trump as one of his attorneys.

00:31:58.380 He's also a candidate for attorney general of the state of Missouri.

00:32:03.560 We're going to cut to a quick commercial break, and then we're going to talk about that campaign for attorney general,

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00:34:35.840 Welcome back, folks.

00:34:37.300 I'm Roger Stone.

00:34:39.000 And you are in the Stone Zone with my co-host, Troy Smith, from Slingshot.News.

00:34:44.860 And also our guest today, Trump attorney and Republican candidate for attorney general of

00:34:52.680 Missouri, Will Scharf.

00:34:54.600 Join me in the Stone Zone today.

00:34:56.860 Will, during the Trump administration, you worked to support conservative judicial nominations.

00:35:02.180 You played an instrumental role in the confirmations of Justices Kavanaugh and Amy Comey Barrett, as well as dozens of other lower federal court judges, putting in place solid conservatives, consistent with President Trump's campaign pledge.

00:35:23.360 As a federal prosecutor, you worked the violent crimes unit in one of the country's most dangerous cities.

00:35:31.180 So it appears to me you have a broad legal experience.

00:35:35.040 Tell us about your campaign for attorney general.

00:35:38.420 You know, Roger, I'm sick and tired, like I know Republicans are around the country, of our politicians being bought and paid for by special interests, of kowtowing to the lobbyists, of not representing we the people in government.

00:35:52.460 The core thesis of our campaign is that we as conservatives can do better than the political establishment we have, whether that's in Washington, D.C. or here in Missouri, in Jefferson City.

00:36:03.780 So I've never run for office before.

00:36:05.800 My background, as you said, is as a constitutional attorney and as a violent crimes prosecutor, obviously now working for President Trump on some of the most important cases this country has seen in a very long time.

00:36:16.480 And I'm a political outsider, and I want to shake things up in Jefferson City.

00:36:21.360 And that's what we're doing.

00:36:22.600 We've gotten all over the state.

00:36:24.260 We have the support of some of the biggest grassroots conservative organizations in the state.

00:36:29.260 We're crushing it, I think, on every front.

00:36:31.480 And we're really excited.

00:36:32.760 It's an August primary.

00:36:34.120 But if things keep going the way that they are, I think we're going to have a very, very good summer.

00:36:38.600 And it's just been heartening to me to see how many conservatives are really waking up for the first time.

00:36:43.640 And understanding that just because you have an R next to your name doesn't mean that you're actually conservative, doesn't mean that you deserve the support of grassroots conservatives.

00:36:53.740 Folks, running for an office like attorney general is extraordinarily expensive.

00:36:59.680 Will Scharf is a candidate who is deserving of your support.

00:37:03.280 We're going to put up a graphic now where you can donate to his campaign, and we strongly urge you to do so.

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00:37:16.220 And please send a generous contribution.

00:37:20.740 Will Scharf is a dependable conservative with an extraordinary track record.

00:37:26.780 He is a graduate of Princeton University as well as Harvard Law School.

00:37:30.940 We're not going to hold that against him.

00:37:33.020 He has worked for two federal appellate court judges.

00:37:36.220 He is a solid, dependable conservative now at this moment, as we indicate, rendering absolutely crucial service to the president in this tsunami of lawfare that he is faced with.

00:37:52.660 Will, I want to thank you for joining the show today.

00:37:55.140 And if there's anything else we can do to help you in your election, I would be proud and happy to do so.

00:38:02.380 Thanks so much for having me, Roger.

00:38:04.040 Great to be with you guys.

00:38:05.240 And hopefully we'll get to do this again soon.

00:38:07.660 Great.

00:38:08.160 Many thanks.

00:38:09.600 Thank you.

00:38:09.900 All right, folks, that was Will Scharf, who is one of President Trump's lawyers, kind of giving us the latest on the documents case in Florida, the ridiculous hush money trial ongoing in New York, and also speaking to us about last week's arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court pertaining to whether the president or not has immunity.

00:38:35.320 Uh, Troy, there was a big meeting, uh, this weekend, uh, Donald Trump, uh, and his, uh, former nemesis, Governor Ron DeSantis, met, uh, for two hours privately, uh, in, uh, Miami.

00:38:53.160 Now, it is my understanding, uh, that representatives of Governor DeSantis told the Washington Post, who broke this story, uh, that Trump had requested the meeting, yet my sources in the Trump camp tell me that's incorrect, uh, that it was DeSantis who wanted this meeting.

00:39:16.400 The idea that Ron DeSantis has some enormous financial network, which candidate Trump now needs to tap into, is largely false.

00:39:31.520 Among small and medium-sized donors, uh, DeSantis was an abject failure.

00:39:38.980 Most of his campaign money in his, uh, in his campaign for president, uh, came from very, very large donors, uh, and, uh, from bundlers, uh, most of his donors, or most of his donations came from individuals or entities who had to give because they do business in the state of Florida, uh, where the governor has enormous power to affect their business.

00:40:07.460 Uh, and, uh, uh, therefore people gave not because they loved Ron DeSantis, but because they had to.

00:40:14.160 So this idea, uh, that, uh, that DeSantis could somehow deliver a financial network to the president, it's not accurate.

00:40:23.540 Many, many of the larger bundlers who were supporting DeSantis have already come over to Trump.

00:40:31.140 Uh, I'm really uncertain what the purpose of this meeting is.

00:40:36.500 But I guess we couldn't decipher that unless we knew who actually asked for the meeting.

00:40:42.120 Uh, and, uh, I don't think, uh, it was president Trump.

00:40:46.900 Now I'm told, uh, that the meeting, uh, may have been somewhat contentious in the beginning.

00:40:52.040 Uh, but once they got through that, that governor DeSantis pledged to do whatever he can and whatever is necessary to make sure that president Trump carries Florida.

00:41:03.660 Uh, I hope that that is accurate.

00:41:06.420 I also hope it proves to be true.

00:41:09.540 Once again, Troy, I want to go on record as saying that anybody who looks at Florida and thinks it is completely safe in a red state based on the last, uh, statewide elections, I think makes a mistake.

00:41:22.600 While I would give president Trump an edge here, uh, the fact that the Democrats have put recreational marijuana on the ballot as a constitutional amendment, uh, and the fact that they have petitioned on a constitutional amendment on abortion rights.

00:41:39.940 Essentially the repealing the six weeks ban, uh, uh, that DeSantis and the Republican legislature put into place, uh, uh, last year, uh, that is going to jack up, uh, turnout, uh, among younger voters, particularly, but also among more democratic leaning voters.

00:42:00.100 And of course the abortion question will be used to try to shape, uh, uh, perceptions of the presidential campaign, uh, Biden and the Democrats, particularly the Florida Democrats, they would like this election to be about abortion.

00:42:15.100 Uh, not about our open border, uh, not about the illegal invasion of America, uh, by migrants, uh, not about the potential for world war three, uh, not about shipping billions to Ukraine, uh, not about, uh, unfreezing hundreds of billions, uh, for Iran, not about the cost of a gallon of gasoline, which you can slowly see creeping up.

00:42:44.560 Uh, not about, uh, not about, uh, not about, uh, not about the cost of groceries, uh, when you go to the supermarket, uh, if you can find what you're looking for, uh, they don't want it to be about any of these things, uh, they would like it to be about abortion.

00:42:59.320 Your thoughts?

00:43:00.960 Well, Roger, I think I always come back to, uh, what you say, cause you know, we look at the, uh, situation that we uncovered in the 2022 election where DeSantis, um, fundraiser, Erica Alba kind of has her fingers all over this.

00:43:14.560 Uh, Florida voters in charge, uh, uh, PAC that was given out money to, um, election supervisors across the state of Florida.

00:43:23.360 Uh, and then I also look at the speculation.

00:43:26.280 Uh, so you look at the election system just in Florida and you say, well, DeSantis really has some influence here.

00:43:31.560 Um, and it's, and it's money that's coming from really nefarious groups of people.

00:43:36.020 And I think, uh, it's been pointed out on this show many times, the idea that he would win Miami-Dade County in the way that he did is pretty much impossible.

00:43:43.500 And I think, uh, it's, look, it's easy to look at the DeSantis election, Roger.

00:43:48.140 I think for a lot of Republicans to say, well, you know, he won and, and, and Florida has a red governor, but at the same time, we have to look at how that was obtained.

00:43:55.000 And I think DeSantis' way that he's, he's politically acting is a lot like the Democrats.

00:44:00.040 I don't think we win by becoming the Democrats.

00:44:02.440 I think we win, uh, by, by standing for what we believe in.

00:44:06.340 And as far as DeSantis is concerned, I'm seeing more and more about VP speculation, Roger.

00:44:11.280 And I always come back to what we talk about on this show.

00:44:13.720 The, uh, it's, it's not prohibited, but you're saying that the Florida is a, is a question mark on its own, you know, without any kind of additional legal problems, Florida is still a toss up.

00:44:25.920 It's a purple state.

00:44:26.720 Um, I think, and, and, and there's been no talk about this from you.

00:44:31.320 You haven't mentioned this, but I've seen this online and people are speculating about it now because of this meeting that Trump could go back to the original thing that, you know, Republicans wanted and, and, and to put DeSantis on the ticket.

00:44:42.820 I don't see that as a possibility because I think any chance you have of winning Florida goes out the window.

00:44:48.320 If you pick a vice presidential candidate, um, in DeSantis, who is a resident of the same state as president Donald Trump, who also lives in Florida.

00:44:56.560 So I'd like you to talk about that real quickly.

00:44:58.920 Um, Trump picking DeSantis would kind of completely rule out any idea of Republicans winning the election and the state of Florida, wouldn't it?

00:45:05.780 Uh, I don't think that that was the purpose of this meeting.

00:45:09.940 I don't think Governor DeSantis is under consideration for the vice presidential nomination.

00:45:15.000 As you know, the 12th Amendment of the Constitution, while it does not specifically prohibit, uh, uh, two individuals who are legal residents of the same state from being on the ticket for president and vice president, uh, it would, however, uh, force you to forfeit the electoral college votes of that state.

00:45:38.640 Now there's an argument, uh, that the party could nominate, uh, two individuals, uh, from Florida.

00:45:45.920 Let's say hypothetically, President Donald Trump, uh, and, uh, Congressman Byron Donalds, both legal residents, uh, of Florida.

00:45:54.560 Uh, and, uh, they could certainly legally be on the ballot if the ticket won, uh, then theoretically, uh, before the electoral college met, uh, either President Trump, highly unlikely,

00:46:08.120 or, uh, newly elected, uh, Vice President-elect Donalds, hypothetically, uh, could legally change, uh, their state of revidence to a different state and therefore avoid, uh, the 12th Amendment, uh, uh, prescription.

00:46:26.020 I'm not an attorney and I don't know if that would work, uh, but I do know that explaining it to the voters, uh, would be, uh, extraordinarily, uh, difficult.

00:46:37.760 Well, uh, uh, uh, there are a number of potential candidates in Florida.

00:46:42.800 I don't really count DeSantis, but, uh, uh, uh, Ron, uh, Senator Marco Rubio has been named.

00:46:49.540 General Michael Flynn has been mentioned.

00:46:52.260 The aforementioned Congressman Byron Donalds.

00:46:57.040 Um, I don't believe any of them at this juncture are under serious consideration.

00:47:02.580 Donalds could be, I don't know.

00:47:04.160 But you still have that, uh, Florida, uh, 12th Amendment issue, uh, all the way back when there was first discussion of DeSantis challenging, uh, Trump, uh, I raised this 12th Amendment question, uh, to those who said, oh, well, look, we can, we can avoid this clash of the titans, uh, by forming a Trump-DeSantis ticket.

00:47:29.020 I think the 12th Amendment of the Constitution pretty much, uh, prohibits, uh, that, um, uh, I'm going to do a, uh, a quick, uh, shameless, uh, commercial pitch here, folks, uh, Troy, because believe it or not, there's a lot of people who have not read my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ.

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00:49:04.500 Uh, okay, Troy, we have, uh, a little bit of time left.

00:49:07.780 Uh, we've gotten through the Trump-DeSantis meeting, which I think was the big political news of the weekend.

00:49:14.700 What else do you have on the boards?

00:49:17.460 Well, Roger, I think, uh, you know, part of the, the, the cool thing about the Stone Zone and, and what we talk about here is that

00:49:23.700 you not only have a history, uh, as a political icon, but also as a style icon, as a flashy dresser.

00:49:29.840 You're known for your style.

00:49:30.920 So, uh, over the weekend, we had the White House Correspondents' Dinner, and I, I took, uh, some pictures, uh, from the internet of people that had showed up to this event,

00:49:40.140 and I wanted to get your comments on some of the outfits, because some of them, very interesting.

00:49:44.320 I know you've already commented on a few of these.

00:49:47.280 I think, uh, we can start, uh, with Fox News host Kennedy, who had this really interesting, like, plaid dress. 1.00

00:49:53.820 I'm gonna get your comments on this, uh, from the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

00:49:58.280 Interesting dress from Kennedy, no?

00:49:59.740 Uh, wow.

00:50:01.700 Um, I don't, I must say that, uh, I, I don't love it.

00:50:05.140 I love Kennedy, but, uh, because she's a great libertarian, but I'm not sure about that dress.

00:50:10.340 We're actually gonna cut to a quick commercial break here.

00:50:12.860 We're gonna come back with the rest of our fashion show from the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

00:50:17.680 On the other side, we'll be right back.

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00:51:31.960 Is there any regrets that you have in life?

00:51:35.140 I should sit here and say,

00:51:36.920 yeah, I got a lot of regrets.

00:51:39.860 But when I look back on my life,

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00:51:46.780 I mean, I'm sitting here with you.

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00:51:53.180 Former National Security Advisor,

00:51:54.880 Lieutenant General Michael Flynn,

00:51:56.140 pleaded guilty today for lying to the FBI.

00:51:58.580 He was one of the most respected generals in the military.

00:52:00.840 He was, by definition,

00:52:02.380 the most dangerous possible person for Donald Trump to hire.

00:52:06.560 He's a brilliant military career serving 33 years.

00:52:09.640 Why was he being so abusive?

00:52:11.340 Mike Flynn told the truth and faced life in prison.

00:52:13.900 Welcome back, folks.

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00:53:35.440 Okay, Troy, we have just, I don't know,

00:53:38.380 about four minutes left here.

00:53:41.020 Let's wrap this up.

00:53:43.260 What else do you have on your mind?

00:53:45.240 We have other fashion faux pas.

00:53:47.320 I saw John Fetterman.

00:53:48.580 Yeah, let's put that up.

00:53:50.980 It's really offensive.

00:53:54.400 I mean, this is a,

00:53:55.680 the White House Correspondents Dinner

00:53:57.860 is a self-congratulatory group of leftists.

00:54:02.500 The White House Correspondents Association

00:54:04.740 gave CNN an award

00:54:07.100 for their tough investigative reporting

00:54:10.380 that allowed them to be 25 feet

00:54:12.900 from my front door the morning of my arrest.

00:54:17.980 Now, there was no investigative reporting involved.

00:54:21.500 They got a tip.

00:54:22.680 They got a tip specifically

00:54:24.040 from Prosecutor Andrew Weissman.

00:54:27.040 How do we know this?

00:54:28.280 Well, because at 6.06, I was arrested.

00:54:31.580 At 6.11,

00:54:33.780 one of the CNN folks, Sarah Murray,

00:54:39.040 sent my attorney, Grant Smith Esquire,

00:54:42.080 a copy of my sealed indictment.

00:54:43.980 It had no court markings or any timestamp on it,

00:54:48.460 but it did have in the metadata tags

00:54:51.520 the initials of the man who wrote it

00:54:54.220 and therefore the man who leaked it

00:54:55.820 in violation of law, Andrew Weissman.

00:54:59.560 Yet the CNN accepted an award

00:55:02.920 from the White House Correspondents Association

00:55:06.500 for their shrewd, deductive,

00:55:09.300 investigative reporting

00:55:10.780 that led them to send a camera crew

00:55:13.200 to my home arriving 15 minutes

00:55:15.980 before the FBI strike force.

00:55:19.880 What a joke.

00:55:22.320 Anyway, go ahead.

00:55:24.560 And Roger, I just,

00:55:26.120 my favorite of the evening, of course,

00:55:28.620 the former White House press secretary,

00:55:30.360 Jen Psaki.

00:55:30.860 Would you get your comments on this?

00:55:31.920 Because I got to be honest,

00:55:32.760 my jaw dropped a little bit

00:55:34.140 when I saw this dress.

00:55:35.540 I'm not sure it's appropriate

00:55:36.920 for a 45-year-old woman. 0.76

00:55:38.380 Let's put that up on the screen.

00:55:39.900 I mean, we want to show the redhead, Jen Psaki. 0.96

00:55:45.060 Just what is this?

00:55:46.500 I mean, Roger, is this just like

00:55:47.840 a fake wedding dress or something?

00:55:49.780 What is that?

00:55:51.360 You know, look,

00:55:51.960 I know that you are a big fan of Jen Psaki.

00:55:56.420 You know, in all honesty,

00:55:58.120 given her coloring,

00:55:59.660 the fact that she's extremely fair

00:56:01.460 and that she's red-haired,

00:56:04.180 a cream-colored dress

00:56:05.860 is not really the right way to go.

00:56:09.160 The colors you wear have a lot to do

00:56:11.300 with the coloring of your skin

00:56:13.200 and the coloring of your hair.

00:56:16.520 So while I didn't find the dress itself

00:56:18.680 to be extraordinarily objectionable,

00:56:22.300 the color scheme is not right.

00:56:24.560 She would be much better

00:56:25.740 in a vibrant color, say, green,

00:56:29.540 just for example.

00:56:30.880 All right.

00:56:31.960 I think we have beaten this up.

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00:58:45.080 Look, Mike Lindell is under siege

00:58:47.940 because he's a truth teller,

00:58:49.920 he's an advocate for free speech,

00:58:51.640 and he's a major advocate

00:58:53.940 for election integrity.

00:58:55.560 So here's an opportunity

00:58:56.940 to help Mike Lindell,

00:58:58.780 help the folks at MyPillow,

00:59:00.800 his great company,

00:59:02.020 and to help us here at the Stone Zone.

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00:59:12.200 and use promo code Stone.

00:59:14.000 Until tomorrow,

00:59:15.580 I'm Roger Stone,

00:59:16.860 speaking on behalf of myself

00:59:18.420 and my co-host,

00:59:19.920 Troy Smith of Slingshot.News.

00:59:22.860 God bless you and Godspeed.

00:59:24.760 A man who's gone through hell,

00:59:28.000 but he's kept going

00:59:29.880 and he's smart

00:59:30.880 and he's strong

00:59:31.860 and people love him.

00:59:34.020 Not everybody,

00:59:34.900 but people love him

00:59:35.740 and respect him.

00:59:36.480 Roger Stone.

00:59:37.560 Where's Roger Stone?

00:59:38.640 Sorry?

00:59:38.780 Yeah.

00:59:39.460 Yeah.

00:59:39.880 Thank you.

00:59:40.340 Nasıl goodbye?

00:59:40.760 Ha ha ha.

00:59:44.100 Ha ha.

00:59:48.760 Ha ha.

00:59:50.160 Ha ha.

00:59:51.040 Ha ha.

00:59:51.300 Ha ha.

00:59:51.920 Ha ha.

00:59:51.960 Ha ha.

The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - April 29, 2024

Will The 2024 Election Be Decided In The Supreme Court Or The Ballot Box？ The StoneZONE!

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