The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Will the Perps of the Russian Collusion Hoax Face Justice？

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.

00:00:08.380 Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:12.740 He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.

00:00:18.380 As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues,

00:00:23.980 and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.

00:00:28.700 Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.

00:00:34.700 And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:42.620 Welcome, I'm Roger Stone, and yes, you are back in the Stone Zone.

00:00:49.000 The Russian collusion hoax was perhaps the greatest single dirty trick in American political history.

00:00:57.260 It was nothing less than the full use of the authority of the United States government

00:01:03.920 and the extraordinary capability of our intelligence agencies to utilize what both knew was fabricated evidence

00:01:15.180 in an effort to illegitimately remove a sitting president, one duly elected by the American people.

00:01:23.260 It took a five-year investigation by Special Counsel John Durham to conclude that there had indeed essentially been a conspiracy,

00:01:36.020 a conspiracy born in the office of President Barack Obama with Vice President Joe Biden,

00:01:45.780 as well as National Security Advisor, Susan Rice, the U.N. Ambassador Stephanie Powers,

00:01:55.040 the FBI Director James Comey, and the CIA Director John Brennan, President.

00:02:03.280 What has not been determined is whether anyone will ever be punished for this extraordinary scandal.

00:02:10.860 For three years, the presidency of Donald Trump was hampered by an investigation

00:02:17.620 and a systematic downpour of leaks from a special counsel, Robert Mueller,

00:02:27.080 who was appointed only after the U.S. Attorney General, Jeff Sessions, former senator from Alabama,

00:02:34.660 steps down, and the acting Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein, appointed former FBI Director Robert Mueller to conduct a probe.

00:02:46.140 This probe almost destroyed my life and almost destroyed the life of our guest today.

00:02:52.940 That would be my good friend, George Papadopoulos.

00:02:55.840 Here to help me break down what's going to happen next and the key question of whether with a new Attorney General

00:03:04.660 and a new Director of the FBI, justice will ever be done in this case.

00:03:12.140 Joining me now, the co-host of The Stone Zone, the Editor-in-Chief of Slingshot.News, Troy Smith.

00:03:21.000 Roger, it's always an honor to be back with you in The Stone Zone.

00:03:23.580 I know, Troy, you're very jealously eyeing my Make America Italian Again hat.

00:03:31.360 I know you are, and I know you want one.

00:03:35.100 And let me say that they are now available at the StoneZone.com store.

00:03:40.140 Go to StoneZone.com.

00:03:42.460 Go to the shop there, or the store as we call it.

00:03:45.440 And yes, you can get yours autographed as mine is.

00:03:49.520 You know, I put these up kind of as a joke.

00:03:51.700 And to be honest with you, they sold out almost immediately.

00:03:56.620 We just got a new shipment in yesterday.

00:03:59.860 Yesterday morning, just before the show, Troy, I signed over 45 hats that went immediately to the post office.

00:04:07.220 So if you're interested in your Make America Italian Again hat, now is the time. 0.88

00:04:13.760 This was motivated by our desire, those of us who are Italian-American, to preserve our Italian heritage.

00:04:23.160 I'm a member of the Italian-American Civil Rights League, which is a nonprofit organization that was set up to, well,

00:04:32.100 to fight those who would erase Christopher Columbus from our history, who would ignore the contributions of great Italian-Americans in the building of this nation.

00:04:43.660 It's part of the larger woke agenda to bury our past, to denigrate the contributions of Italian-Americans, in this case, to what made America great.

00:04:58.180 So order yours today by going to StoneZone.com.

00:05:01.660 Now I'm going to bring you a gentleman who is not Italian. 0.63

00:05:06.400 In fact, he's Greek.

00:05:08.300 I often tease him, tell him that he is a Greek, probably that he is a Turk, pretending to be an Italian. 0.94

00:05:15.460 But in fact, he is a Greek.

00:05:17.620 He is a great friend of mine.

00:05:20.160 He's also one of the victims who's been put through hell in the Russian collusion.

00:05:25.460 My good friend George Papadopoulos joins us now in the Stone Zone.

00:05:31.660 And there he is.

00:05:33.880 Thanks a lot for having me, Roger.

00:05:35.140 Love the hats.

00:05:36.420 Very jealous.

00:05:37.460 More fashionable than I am today, both you and Troy.

00:05:40.080 So loving it.

00:05:41.400 I'm definitely going to get a hat for myself and Simona.

00:05:44.900 Simona most definitely needs such a hat. 0.98

00:05:47.400 Of that, there is no question.

00:05:50.060 George, as you know, the Russian collusion hoax has now been laid out there for all to see.

00:05:58.920 It always bothered me that Bill Barr appointed John Durham to conduct an investigation, and he seems to have taken his time.

00:06:09.840 He took over five years to tell us what basically you and I, Troy, millions of other Americans already knew.

00:06:17.800 Perhaps he was going slow because he wanted to make sure that the statute of limitations had run out, and those who were guilty of egregious crimes, including that, I believe, of treason, would run out.

00:06:32.860 Well, there actually is no statute of limitations on the question of treason, and conceivably, somebody like John Brennan, who's a central player in this entire fiasco, this entire scandal, could yet be brought to trial.

00:06:52.860 The other day I was watching your ex profile, which, by the way, check George out on ex.

00:07:00.900 He has a very lively feed on ex, formerly known as Twitter.

00:07:05.760 I saw a story I hadn't seen before very recently by Carrie Pickett of the Washington Times.

00:07:11.940 I tried to get Carrie on my 77 WABC radio show last weekend. 0.99

00:07:18.660 We had some technical difficulties.

00:07:21.100 I look forward to trying to have her this Sunday.

00:07:24.020 But this story was incredible.

00:07:26.200 Carrie Pickett essentially reported that a whistleblower has come forward to say that James Comey was actually investigating Donald Trump prior to our understanding of the opening of the counterintelligence investigation crossfire hurricane.

00:07:48.600 In fact, he planted two attractive young women inside the campaign of Donald Trump.

00:07:58.520 He infiltrated Trump's campaign with what is commonly known in the intelligence community as a honeypot operation,

00:08:07.860 another an operation where, in this case, rather attractive women would try to seduce and perhaps even have sex with people in the Trump campaign in order to put them in a compromised position and get information from them. 1.00

00:08:25.900 I had never heard this before.

00:08:27.800 So my first question was, because you are among the earliest people for Donald Trump.

00:08:33.660 So, George, let me come right out and say it.

00:08:35.720 Did you get laid during this period by one of these honeypot agents?

00:08:41.320 You know, you know, Roger, I always joke about this with my wife, because if you know how Simona looks like and you know how gorgeous she is,

00:08:48.580 they probably didn't know my taste because the people that they were sending my way had absolutely no shot getting any information out of me or two, sabotaging me.

00:08:58.220 Right.

00:08:58.440 So that's what it's almost like a comical story, but it's actually very dangerous because what this story really relays and lays out very clearly from Kerry in The Washington Times is that Comey not only initiated an investigation,

00:09:13.300 but it was an off the books investigation into people like myself, Donald Trump, probably you, others going back way further back into 2015 potentially before crossfire hurricane started in the summer of 2016.

00:09:30.220 So what does this really mean when you look at the New York Times and The Washington Post said that this was a justified, spontaneous investigation with credible evidence from our so-called foreign allies in July of 2016?

00:09:44.900 With the new reporting and what Matt Taibbi has reported last April about the CIA's involvement, what this conclusion draws is that the CIA, with the Comey FBI, concocted a weaponized effort to fabricate not only evidence to launch this investigation into the Trump campaign, but to try to set up Trump should he end up getting elected.

00:10:08.360 That's exactly what happened, and the only way we're going to actually have accountability is through transparency, and I think Pam Bounty as Attorney General is a great pick, but I also think we need somebody who's actually been invested in these type of matters, has investigated them, and has been a great defender of Donald Trump and his team when it came to these various investigations, and that's Matt Gaetz.

00:10:34.880 I think Matt Gaetz, after he's resigned now, he should be appointed potentially special counsel to look into this type of egregious misconduct and this illegal surveillance conducted by Comey and the CIA and other foreign intelligence and lay out the facts where they are, Roger, and then apply the law fairly and equally.

00:10:54.560 And should he do that, and should Pam do that at the Attorney General level, and people get prosecuted for doing illegal things? All the better. If they didn't do anything illegal, then they should not be prosecuted. 1.00

00:11:06.000 But I think, based on what you just laid out, based on what Taibbi and Kerry and you are talking about, there was a conspiracy to not only defraud the American people, but potentially treason in itself, and I think the hammer is going to come down during the second Trump administration.

00:11:20.420 Obviously, my question to you was a joke, and I want to make that very clear.

00:11:28.320 We have a little bit of levity here in the Stone Zone.

00:11:33.060 You're absolutely right, George, and there's another piece of this, as you know.

00:11:38.300 John Brennan, the CIA director, a man, by the way, who is a convert to radical Islam, a man who, as our station chief in RIDA, went through a ritual ceremony in which he converted to Islam.

00:11:55.640 John Guandolo, who can document this, a former central intelligence officer, has documented this right here on this show.

00:12:08.280 Mr. Brennan is also, interestingly enough, the man who approved the visas for four of the hijackers that attacked this country on 9-11.

00:12:18.880 He evidently, roughly the same time period, based on the way I laid it out, contacted the intelligence agencies of the so-called Five Eyes Nations, the English-speaking nations, those being the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and, of course, the United States would be the Five Eyes,

00:12:43.520 and submitted a list of 26 of Donald Trump's supporters or staffers in order, essentially, to, as they say, bump us, in other words, spy on us.

00:12:57.960 Of course, there's no predicate here.

00:12:59.900 In other words, what was the rationalization?

00:13:01.700 What was George Papadopoulos or Roger Stone doing to justify government surveillance?

00:13:08.680 The answer is nothing, nothing whatsoever.

00:13:11.280 Now, yesterday on this show, Lee Smith, who has a terrific new book called Disappearing the President, he argues that that probably actually didn't happen,

00:13:24.460 but that there's evidence that Brennan and Comey said it happened because, essentially, they were trying to provide a cover, plausible deniability,

00:13:36.180 for an operation they themselves were already running, meaning we were already under surveillance.

00:13:44.520 I can tell you that on Inauguration Day 2017, so that would have been January 20th, 2017,

00:13:53.960 above the fold on that day's New York Times, the day Trump was inaugurated,

00:13:59.640 was a small story that said that three associates of Donald Trump were under electronic surveillance by the FBI for their ties to Russia.

00:14:13.160 Those were specifically myself, Paul Manafort, and help me here, Troy, would have been our colleague in the Trump campaign.

00:14:28.480 You know who I mean.

00:14:29.640 George, help me here.

00:14:31.440 Carter Page.

00:14:32.460 Carter Page, pardon me.

00:14:33.800 It is early here.

00:14:35.080 And, of course, I found this as a total non sequitur.

00:14:38.860 I knew that I hadn't been in touch with anyone in Russia.

00:14:42.340 I had, instead of looking into our Russian business dealings, I never had any Russian business dealings.

00:14:48.900 The New York Times later doesn't change that story, but they soften the headline in their online version.

00:14:56.660 My lawyers contacted them later after I had been charged by Mueller's grand jury, and the New York Times refused to come off of that story.

00:15:10.880 Yet the government insists that I was never under surveillance.

00:15:15.620 Don't be angry at me if I don't believe them.

00:15:19.580 George, give us kind of the short version of what they did to you, because, you know, one of the things about the left is it doesn't matter how many times you get out there and tell the truth, and it doesn't matter how many times their crap is debunked, they'll be back in three weeks to recycle the same thing over and over again as if it happened.

00:15:43.700 So I'm intrigued about the mysterious Maltese College professor, Joseph Mifsud, who suddenly appears in your life and then disappears.

00:15:56.860 Tell us about that, if you will.

00:16:00.040 Yeah, no, look, Roger, it just that's part and parcel of what these reports have substantiated.

00:16:05.500 What I've always said, and what you've always said, that this thing was not some sort of spontaneous investigation, but that it was premeditated, if you will, that there was an operation that was led by the CIA, our Five Eyes intelligence partners, likely other foreign governments.

00:16:23.780 And then this investigation was then passed off to the FBI to so-called justify a domestic surveillance operation that would result in the appointment of people like Special Counsel Mueller, et cetera, et cetera, and the hope to impeach and convict Donald Trump.

00:16:40.260 So that all failed.

00:16:41.060 So the point I'm making is every single operative that came into my life was not an American, but was a foreign national.

00:16:49.100 And this Maltese person, Joseph Mifsud, which we lay out in this brilliant new docuseries that you're part of, that I'm part of, on the Tucker Carlson Network, All the President's Men, was actually introduced to me, not in Russia, but in Rome, Italy,

00:17:07.340 through a company that had numerous officials that I was working for that were ex-diplomats, ex-Western intelligence officials, people who were ambassadors working with the State Department, the CIA, the European Union, you know, these type of, this type of crowd.

00:17:25.500 So I wasn't, like, nervous when I was introduced to this person.

00:17:29.340 Then later on, this individual tells me, unsolicited, George, the Russians have Hillary Clinton's email.

00:17:35.400 So what later was discovered, I think, through the Durham investigation and what Matt Gaetz masterfully did during his heated exchange with John Durham is to lay out the facts that there was an op that was laid out resulting in not only people like Joseph Mifsud,

00:17:51.400 but these honeypots that you discussed earlier that were designed to sabotage individuals linked to the Trump campaign and ultimately the Trump presidency.

00:18:01.840 This individual now has gone underground, no one has heard from him, I think, in the last seven years, after he had been basically making a living networking between London, Rome, and Washington, D.C.

00:18:14.060 at the highest levels of the European Union and the United States government.

00:18:19.220 People like that, Roger, just don't go hiding.

00:18:21.720 He's being protected, I believe, and I think this person must be found.

00:18:25.800 I think if we're going to have a new investigation into this scandal with people like Matt Gaetz or the likely attorney general, we need to start asking these pertinent questions to foreign governments, including Italy, the United Kingdom, Australia.

00:18:40.920 Ask them, what about this reporting?

00:18:42.560 Is this reporting correct?

00:18:44.120 Is it false?

00:18:44.900 What did you have to do with the Obama administration targeting the Trump campaign?

00:18:48.700 These are all pertinent questions that we as American citizens, and even more importantly, the Trump administration must know because our bilateral relationships with these foreign allies depends on it.

00:19:01.600 If our foreign allies were basically the attack dogs of the Obama administration to destroy the Trump presidency, Donald Trump, President-elect Trump, must know that, and he has to deal with these countries accordingly.

00:19:14.960 Will that result in sanctions?

00:19:17.220 Will it result in the downgrading of our relationship with these Five Eyes alliance members?

00:19:22.500 Will we just have total exposure of what Obama was up to, what Brennan was up to, what Clapper was up to, all of the above?

00:19:29.520 That is what I am hopeful for, Roger.

00:19:32.000 And if we don't have it, then what they did to us in 2016, they will do it again, and we will never have a free and fair democratic process in this country with the intelligence agencies putting their fingers on both the truth

00:19:44.500 and our process and our process.

00:19:48.060 I could not agree more.

00:19:49.920 Troy Smith, the editor of Slingshot.news.

00:19:54.000 By the way, Troy, I looked at the recent numbers you showed me.

00:19:58.680 Your online publications becoming extraordinarily successful.

00:20:03.960 I want to congratulate you.

00:20:05.400 You're racking up huge numbers.

00:20:08.180 You're surpassing the Huffington Post at this point.

00:20:11.300 More people reading Slingshot News than the Huffington Post.

00:20:16.480 You know, it is a testimony to the power of independent media.

00:20:22.420 I don't know if you saw this clip the other day, but James Van Der High, who was one of the original founders of Politico, now with Axios,

00:20:30.920 essentially having a hissy fit in public because people like Troy Smith dare to go online and publish independent journalism.

00:20:40.200 It's like, you have no right to do this.

00:20:43.140 We're the journalists.

00:20:44.760 No, dude.

00:20:45.420 But as long as there is the First Amendment and free speech, which is going to be restored and protected under President Donald Trump,

00:20:53.340 well, then important publications like Revolver or Slingshot News are going to thrive.

00:21:02.400 People have given up on CBS and ABC and NBC.

00:21:07.640 Network television is dead as a doornail.

00:21:10.780 So, MSNBC, very pleased to see the other night that Troy and I had a show.

00:21:17.840 Ari Melber that night had 26,000 viewers nationally, 26,000.

00:21:24.360 I think we had 220,000 viewers that night.

00:21:29.960 Hey, Ari, have a nice Thanksgiving.

00:21:33.860 I want to give you the next question for George.

00:21:36.860 Troy, fire away.

00:21:37.760 Well, thank you, Roger.

00:21:39.500 I just want to say, you know, in this coming administration, I think when we have Michael Knowles on here, he said it best.

00:21:44.600 You know, the Trump administration this time around has an opportunity to knock out some of these large media organizations

00:21:51.520 in the same way that they've knocked out elitism in the Republican Party.

00:21:55.860 You know, today, more than ever, the common man in this country has a voice in the Republican Party.

00:22:00.180 And that's because of Donald Trump and his basically assault on the elitism within the Republican Party.

00:22:06.640 And we need to see that take place in the media landscape as well, because, as you said, there's a lot of people in the New York Times, Politico,

00:22:13.180 others that want to block individuals that don't necessarily come from Harvard, don't necessarily come from Princeton.

00:22:18.960 You know, I went to a community college for a couple semesters and started my media journey that way, you know, just kind of learning as I went.

00:22:27.480 And that experience is just as valuable as going to college, if not more so.

00:22:31.700 We need to kind of honor that.

00:22:33.360 We need to push that forward.

00:22:34.420 And people in independent media, we need to make sure that they're at the forefront and really covering this administration as well as we can.

00:22:41.780 But, George, you know, you are a foreign policy expert, I think it's fair to say.

00:22:46.760 And we've had some alarming news over the last couple of weeks that I wanted to make sure that we bring up in this interview.

00:22:52.840 One, we have a couple of headlines that Biden has authorized the use of U.S. missiles within Russia.

00:23:00.260 We talked about it on this show and this position that this puts Russia in.

00:23:03.940 I mean, it's just unbelievable where you have U.S. missiles flying into Russia, potentially killing Russian civilians.

00:23:10.460 And then we also have news from yesterday that the U.S. has launched attacks against Iranian forces in Syria.

00:23:18.640 This comes just hours after it was announced that there would be a ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel.

00:23:24.260 I wanted to ask you about what the Biden administration is doing.

00:23:27.280 It seems to us here on the Stones and that they are pushing us to war in every way that they can heading into this next Trump administration.

00:23:34.820 Your thoughts?

00:23:35.280 Yeah, no, no, it's a very dangerous situation that the U.S. is finding itself because U.S. military planning for decades had assumed that the U.S. could fight two wars simultaneously in two different theaters.

00:23:50.680 But the only difference is Iraq and Afghanistan, the way that we fought those two wars, are not the same as Russia, Iran, and potentially China.

00:24:01.140 And that's exactly what the Biden administration has actually ushered in for the United States military.

00:24:08.260 Our men and women in uniform today are potentially going to see battle in three different continents.

00:24:15.960 This is unheard of.

00:24:18.040 This is the beginning of World War III if the Biden administration had its way.

00:24:23.500 So what I think that this is, there's only really two options, Troy and Roger.

00:24:27.180 I think that after Donald Trump, President Trump met with President Biden in the Oval Office a week ago or so, it seemed to be a very cordial war meeting.

00:24:36.180 Either President-elect Trump and President Biden agreed that this new posture by the United States military and NATO towards Russia and Ukraine would be part of a new negotiation strategy of the Trump administration, or the Biden administration is already trying to subvert peace and the Trump foreign policy doctrine before Trump even becomes president.

00:24:59.480 I think it could be a combination of the two.

00:25:29.480 I think it could be a combination of the two.

00:25:30.480 I think it could be a combination of the two.

00:25:31.480 I think it could be a combination of the two.

00:25:32.480 I think it could be a combination of the two.

00:25:33.480 I think that's Donald Trump's priority right now.

00:25:35.560 I'm not the foreign policy expert that you are.

00:25:42.840 This is your field, but it looks to me like the Russians so far have exercised enormous restraint.

00:25:52.720 I don't think at this point even the Ukrainians want a nuclear holocaust, but the fact that there are no peace talks going on, we've had no talks whatsoever to try to resolve this matter.

00:26:07.620 And then I think a lot of people miss this.

00:26:10.620 In the last week, the Russians used a new type of ICBM missile that can evade missile defense systems.

00:26:20.620 Now, in this particular case, Putin could have loaded those with warheads.

00:26:26.620 He didn't.

00:26:27.620 But it was a flexing of the muscle.

00:26:30.620 It was a way to show NATO and the NATO nations, including the United States, that he could annihilate his enemies in Europe at a moment's notice.

00:26:45.620 I've seen an excellent video by the businessman, Jeffrey Sachs.

00:26:50.620 I've also seen this from Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:26:53.620 The extent to which the American people do not understand what the war in Ukraine is really about is extraordinary.

00:27:01.620 When East and West Germany were allowed to be united by the Russians, the United States signed something called the Budapest Memorandum.

00:27:12.620 This memorandum was negotiated by U.S. Secretary of State James Baker, in which we, in return, agreed not to push Ukraine into NATO.

00:27:26.620 NATO having obviously a direct border, not to Ukraine, pardon me, having a direct border with Russia.

00:27:34.620 This is later also memorialized in the Minsk Accords, yet another agreement.

00:27:41.620 Yet I keep reading online that it's the Russian invasion of Ukraine that's internationally illegal.

00:27:48.620 Well, we're in violation by our funding of this attack, this response by NATO, by Ukraine, who has built the silos to drop those missiles, those NATO missiles that would threaten Russia into place.

00:28:09.620 And I think as all three of us know, Victoria Nuland, who is the arch criminal, who is the architect of this entire fiasco, going all the way back to the illegal coup in which the U.S. government took down a duly elected Ukrainian president.

00:28:27.620 She has driven this war, and she blurted out in congressional hearings that not only are we planning to drop these missiles pointed at Russia into Ukraine, but that we have bioweapons labs throughout the country.

00:28:46.620 You can understand how Putin would be concerned, how a potential leak from those labs could kill thousands of people, both Ukrainians and Russians.

00:28:58.960 But this false narrative that Putin is the aggressor, Putin invaded Russia to defend himself.

00:29:06.700 He warned everybody that he would do so if we continued to insist on pushing Ukraine into NATO, which really has to be defined as putting the missiles in place, which is really what he objects to.

00:29:21.320 This idea that he's going to gobble up Ukraine, then he's going to take all of Poland, then he's going to take all of Germany, and who knows, he might even want France. 0.90

00:29:33.360 George, isn't this a completely false narrative?

00:29:36.700 It absolutely is, Roger, and actually what Russia has actually been relegated to as a junior partner now of China.

00:29:45.840 In fact, what I think President-elect Trump and even candidate Trump, going back to 2016, his entire logic, I think, of actually having some sort of working relationship with Russia was twofold.

00:29:59.520 One, to defeat radical Islam, and two, to prevent China and Russia from ossifying their geopolitical and geoeconomic relationship.

00:30:07.780 And what has resulted ever since we've imposed these punitive sanctions on the Russian economy as a direct result of this war.

00:30:16.480 The Russian economy is now completely beholden to China.

00:30:20.260 And the United States military is on the verge of having to enter the Ukraine theater, along with NATO, to fight Russian troops in Ukraine.

00:30:31.760 So this logic, this assumption that Russia is going to invade a NATO country makes no sense when France, the UK, and even the United States potentially might enter Ukraine to defeat or to try to defeat Russia.

00:30:48.100 So going back to what you said about the Minsk Accords, I think that's probably what President Trump is going to have to look at.

00:30:54.860 He's going to have to look at some sort of agreement that's going to result along the lines of the Minsk Accords, which is more autonomy in the east, de facto recognition of Crimea as part of Russia,

00:31:05.340 and then some sort of militarized border demarcating the east and west of Ukraine.

00:31:09.720 There are similar patterns and examples around the world of this.

00:31:14.840 You have it in North Korea and South Korea and on the island of Cyprus.

00:31:18.460 Now, I think the best case scenario of what happens in Ukraine is the Cyprus situation, where you have the northern part of Cyprus was invaded by the Turkish military in 1974.

00:31:28.620 It's currently occupied.

00:31:30.080 It's only recognized by Turkey, while the southern part of Cyprus is part of the European Union, enjoys relationships with the west, Israel, and the United States.

00:31:39.720 So the eastern part of Ukraine is likely going to find itself under the tutelage of both Russia and China.

00:31:48.200 The western part of Ukraine, in the best case scenario, will be under the tutelage of the United States, NATO, and potentially will join the European Union.

00:31:57.940 And this will create some sort of peace agreement, I think, that as long as it remains, potentially decades down the line, you could see a reunified Ukraine, something that I don't think will happen.

00:32:09.540 But there are now discussions of that happening on the island of Cyprus.

00:32:12.520 So that's really the situation.

00:32:14.420 And this could have all really been prevented if we just had implemented the Minsk Accords, like Jeffrey Sachs had discussed during his brilliant interview, I think, with Piers Morgan, is what you're discussing.

00:32:24.940 Yeah, exactly true.

00:32:27.400 Two more questions for you.

00:32:29.480 I have my own view.

00:32:30.860 I know Troy does.

00:32:31.820 Do you think that, assuming that she is confirmed, which I believe she will be, that the new Attorney General, Pam Bondi, who served as Attorney General of our home state of Florida, is going to pursue justice?

00:32:46.680 Is she going to recalibrate the scales of justice, rebalance them at the State Department, and open up this, what will be a can of worms for the Democrats and the deep state? 1.00

00:32:58.500 I think, arguably, you could say that the main reason that Donald Trump got 312 electoral votes was not simply based on the economy or the border, but because of the weaponization of justice in the United States, the two-tier justice system, and the perception that there is no rule of law.

00:33:16.980 So, I said it a lot during the election season that, while the Vice President's pick might be symbolic and important, the Attorney General pick of Donald Trump is going to be the most important cabinet member in modern American history.

00:33:31.900 Because this individual, whether it was a man or a woman, now it's obviously going to be Pam Bondi, that person has to go into the hornet's nest and clean house, revamp the entire system from top to bottom, and apply the law equally and fairly without regard to wealth or political affiliation. 0.58

00:33:50.520 Because as of right now, Roger, the FBI has a record low approval rating. The Department of Justice has a record low approval rating, especially among Republicans. The CIA is basically ranking at like a 5% approval rating, and this is just not sustainable in a republic.

00:34:06.480 If the people don't have faith in the system, if the people don't have faith in the system, the rule of law or the court system, then that affects investigations, that affects how the Department of Justice functions, how the FBI operates, the budget for the FBI.

00:34:19.300 So, she has to go in for the sake of the country, not for some pet project, and actually revamp the entire system. 0.99

00:34:28.060 And the only way to do that is by actually having a serious constitutionalist and patriotic individual at the head of the FBI, the same way that Donald Trump elected a person like John Ratcliffe to lead the CIA, and Tulsi Gabbard to be the head of DNI, because everything starts from the top.

00:34:46.320 If the top is corrupt, then the rank and file will be corrupt. When you have patriotic Americans like those two at the top of the CIA and DNI, the rank and file will follow through with a more patriotic implementation of the Constitution and a rule-based order in the United States.

00:35:04.700 So, she has to go all the way. She has to prosecute if she finds evidence of crimes, and she has to make these public spectacles to make it clear that in the United States of America, we will never, ever tolerate what people like James Comey, Barack Obama, James Clapper, and others did, not only to Donald Trump, but to over 75 million Americans who voted for him.

00:35:28.240 You raised, I guess, the second most important question, one that Troy and I focused on only yesterday, and that is the appointment of the next FBI director.

00:35:39.320 Now, we here at Stone Zone are strong supporters of Kash Patel. Yesterday, on the Stone Zone website, I published a monograph on why only Kash Patel, given his constitutional, pardon me, his institutional knowledge of the Russian collusion hoax.

00:36:00.040 He is, after all, he is, after all, he is, after all, the man who conducted the investigation by the House Intelligence Committee under the leadership of Congressman Devin Nunes, that proves that the Russian collusion hoax was just exactly that, a canard.

00:36:15.740 Eric Swallow's well, Adam Schiff, and little Ted Lieu, they tried desperately to debunk that report. They put out an alternative report. Now, with the hindsight of history, you can go back and look at those reports.

00:36:32.760 Devin Nunes in Kash Patel's report holds up under scrutiny. Everything they said was true. The effort to obscure the truth by Adam Schiff is embarrassing. Schiff on CNN the other day, this guy lies as easily as he breathes.

00:36:52.220 I mean, you can always tell when Adam Schiff is lying, because his lips are moving. Once again, he recycles the same false claim that the $30 million that Robert Mueller spent brought us absolute proof that a campaign official at the highest level of the Trump campaign was sharing polling information with a Russian intelligence asset.

00:37:17.700 Let me say it again. Let me say it again. That is a bold-faced lie. First of all, the Trump campaign had no proprietary general election polling information. They had not yet gone into the field to conduct those polls.

00:37:33.600 So, if it is true, and it probably was, that Paul Manafort shared polling information that you could have gotten online anywhere with a simple search with a man named Konstantin Kalimnik, the other problem with that false narrative is, as Matt Taibbi, more than any other independent journalist, has established, Konstantin Kalimnik is not a Russian intelligence asset.

00:37:59.800 He's an American intelligence asset. In fact, he's reporting regularly to the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv. And we've seen the now declassified documents, pardon me, telegrams, cablegrams going back to the State Department, in which Kalimnik's name is actually redacted to cover his identity as a U.S. intelligence asset.

00:38:25.100 I'm not sure how many times Adam Schiff can recycle the same lie. That's really all they have.

00:38:33.060 George, you touched on this earlier, but I want to give you a chance to talk about it.

00:38:38.280 You and Simona were deeply involved in this terrific new series, All the President's Men, a multi-part series that shows on the Tucker Carlson Network.

00:38:50.240 Tell us a little bit about the film series, and then we're going to show people where they can get it.

00:38:58.940 Yeah, no, it's an incredible docuseries that was, I think, five years in the making that we were very, obviously, grateful to have you part of it.

00:39:12.660 And people like Mayor Giuliani, Tucker Carlson, Cash Patel, who you just mentioned, who I wholeheartedly think would be a great director or deputy director of the FBI, because he has pledged to do exactly what I just mentioned, and that is to clean house.

00:39:28.740 That is to provide transparency and accountability to those who might or might not have been involved in illegal activity against the Trump campaign and the American people.

00:39:38.640 So I think it's absolutely paramount that information is declassified and presented to the American people.

00:39:44.700 And what this docuseries, All the President's Men, highlights for the first time and showcases, I should say, on the big screen, is what this conspiracy looked like from the people who lived it.

00:39:56.080 People like yourself, myself, Cash Patel, Mayor Giuliani, others, and what we went through to get the truth out there.

00:40:06.620 It was a valiant fight. We went through hell and back. I know certainly you did. Both Simone and I had some very, you know, tough times.

00:40:15.340 We fought through it with the help of the American people, and we're doing great now, thank God.

00:40:20.540 But this is a story about resilience. It's a story about accountability. It's a story about transparency.

00:40:26.040 And it's a story that must be shown to millions of Americans to let them know what their government is capable of doing to them while the mainstream media tries to lull them to sleep.

00:40:37.640 We were never going to allow that to happen. That's why we were very proud to work on this docuseries.

00:40:42.540 And it took as many years as it did to finally get out.

00:40:45.360 But I think it's more timely than ever, especially right now as the second Trump administration is about to start.

00:40:51.900 And you can find the docuseries on Tucker Carlson Network where it's platformed exclusively right now.

00:40:59.920 All right. I want to thank our guest, George Papadopoulos, for joining us.

00:41:05.440 George is joining us from the West Coast, so he got up early to be with us, and we're very, very grateful for that.

00:41:11.500 But on behalf of both Troy and myself and the entire Stone Zone community, I want to wish you and your wife an extraordinary, happy, and healthy Thanksgiving.

00:41:22.280 And thank you again for joining us right here in the Stone Zone.

00:41:27.080 To you both, too. Happy Thanksgiving. And thanks again for having me.

00:41:31.280 All right, Troy. People come to expect a little roundup on American politics here.

00:41:36.920 We have about 10 minutes left for the show. 0.74

00:41:39.300 I know you curate these things very, very carefully with an idea to show the most ridiculousness of the left wing in America.

00:41:49.180 What have you got for us?

00:41:51.260 Well, Roger, you know, we covered this yesterday before you got there, and I wanted to give you a chance, a crack at this.

00:41:57.900 I have – and this might be heartbreaking for you, Roger.

00:42:00.160 We have terrible news for our Stone Zone fans.

00:42:02.600 Ellen DeGeneres has left the country.

00:42:04.800 Yes, she has been spotted in the U.K. with a different haircut, Roger.

00:42:09.020 She's gone dark, her hair.

00:42:11.120 We actually have a headline of that.

00:42:12.680 Ellen DeGeneres has fled the United States after the Trump win.

00:42:16.280 And it's expected that many more celebrities are going to follow.

00:42:20.380 So, Roger, Trump did what ABC could never do, and that's get rid of Ellen DeGeneres.

00:42:25.840 Your thoughts on her fleeing the country because of Trump's win?

00:42:28.800 I mean, just a massive win for this country, no?

00:42:30.680 Well, this is excellent, excellent news.

00:42:34.020 As you know, just immediately after the election, I pointed out that while Robert De Niro had pledged that if Trump was elected, that he was going to leave the country, I just want to let Mr. De Niro know that, well, if he needs a lift to the airport, I'm most definitely available.

00:42:52.400 At some point, it should be a good show.

00:42:55.960 We should take that entire list of elitist freaks in the entertainment industry, many of whom probably will appear in the Diddy videotapes, who said that they were leaving the country and see how many of them actually leave.

00:43:11.880 Jimmy Kimmel, he said he was leaving.

00:43:14.280 Hey, Jimmy, don't take Uber.

00:43:17.300 Don't take Lyft.

00:43:18.120 If you need a lift to the airport, I'm there for you, buddy, because you don't have any talent and you're not interested.

00:43:24.580 More importantly, you need to keep your word.

00:43:26.980 Leave the country.

00:43:28.420 Troy, what else you got? 0.99

00:43:30.400 Well, Roger, one of the worst—you know, this guy is really one of the more disgusting members of Congress. 0.97

00:43:35.500 He called for President Trump to be eliminated just days before an assassin tried to shoot Trump in the face in Butler, Pennsylvania. 0.93

00:43:43.360 And that is Representative Dan Goldman.

00:43:45.880 He was on television just yesterday freaking out about the fact that Special Counsel Jack Smith has announced that he is dismissing the charges in his cases against President Trump.

00:43:58.580 We have Goldman just losing his mind on CNN.

00:44:01.520 Let's roll that clip and get your reaction to one of the sleaziest members of Congress. 1.00

00:44:05.520 I think it is a shame for justice in this country.

00:44:11.000 It establishes that Donald Trump is above the law.

00:44:14.260 The Supreme Court put him above the law in that opinion that Paula just mentioned.

00:44:18.640 But now he appears to escape full accountability for what were crimes charged by a grand jury.

00:44:26.700 And I would just add one other thing that we ought to pay close attention to.

00:44:30.720 We cannot normalize the fact that Donald Trump, as the president-elect, should not be held accountable for crimes that he committed before.

00:44:41.680 Dan Goldman, of course, is a trust fund buddy, a baby who bought himself a seat in Congress.

00:44:49.240 I would remind you a couple things.

00:44:51.300 That when the U.S. Supreme Court rules, that's the law of the land.

00:44:55.340 Whether you as a congressman like it or not is immaterial.

00:44:58.600 Secondarily, the special counsel, Jack Smith, who you seem to love, his appointment is unconstitutional.

00:45:06.960 He was never approved by the Congress.

00:45:09.600 He was never confirmed by the U.S. Senate to have these sweeping prosecutorial powers.

00:45:15.980 There is no law that creates his position.

00:45:19.320 There is no budgeting to pay for his witch hunt.

00:45:23.220 And most importantly, here's a question that is indisputable.

00:45:28.380 No member of the executive branch, that would include Jack Smith, can be unfireable by the chief executive.

00:45:37.080 But the way Merrick Garland has structured this unconstitutional appointment, it is at least their policy that no matter what, Trump or any president cannot fire Jack Smith.

00:45:53.720 Now, our critics would argue that the D.C. Circuit held, listened to these arguments and rejected them.

00:46:02.360 Folks, the D.C. Circuit is, that's not a court of law.

00:46:05.540 That's a political shooting gallery where no Republican, no Trump supporter, no libertarian, no free thinking, nobody who isn't an active left-wing Democrat can get a fair trial.

00:46:19.580 So you see a butt-hurt Dan Goldman there.

00:46:24.780 But you're right.

00:46:26.160 He did say days before the attempt on Donald Trump's life in Butler, Pennsylvania, an attempt on Trump's life that Joy Reid at MSNBC said was staged.

00:46:37.800 She said that nobody was shot, the whole thing was a psyop, that Trump had some kind of pellet or capsule that he bit in his mouth that would create the impression of blood.

00:46:50.800 Tell that to Corey Comparatori, the brave firefighter who took one in the head, protecting and shielding his daughter and his wife.

00:47:00.400 If, I've said it before, I'll say it again, if Joy Reid's IQ was one point lower, folks, you'd have to water her like a plant. 1.00

00:47:09.980 If you really want to laugh, yesterday she interviewed AOC.

00:47:13.400 AOC said that the appointment of Tulsi Gabbard, a woman who left the Democrat Party because it became the party of war to join the Republican Party, the party of peace, the party under whom Donald Trump started no new foreign wars.

00:47:31.880 She said that this was a pro-war appointment.

00:47:37.540 You've got to wonder, I mean, she may mix a mean martini or can put together a good Manhattan, but she didn't belong in Congress. 1.00

00:47:47.180 And how her personal wealth went from virtually nothing to over $15 million on the salary of a congresswoman, that's very interesting in itself. 0.54

00:47:59.160 I think it was Harry Truman who said, show me a person who makes money in politics and I'll show you a crook.

00:48:07.900 We've got a few more minutes here, Troy.

00:48:09.640 What else do you have for us?

00:48:11.820 Well, Roger, as a veteran of so many presidential campaigns, I wanted to ask you about the situation brewing in the Democratic Party because Kamala Harris overspent on her campaign.

00:48:22.300 You know, she raised a billion dollars and most of that was money from Democrat donors.

00:48:26.460 And this is never talked about. Most of that's money from Democrat donors who said, we're not donating until you replace Biden.

00:48:33.500 And then as soon as Biden replaced, at the behest of Barack Obama, they dumped money into Kamala Harris. 0.99

00:48:39.080 So she raised a billion dollars. She spent a billion dollars and she ended up $20 million in debt. 0.95

00:48:44.480 And this is now a major frontline story where donors are accusing her of basically stealing over $20 million. 0.92

00:48:51.380 She blew through a billion dollars, Roger. Her campaign is now negative $20 million. 1.00

00:48:57.300 I want to ask you, have you ever seen anything like this before? And how will this be resolved?

00:49:01.640 Is she personally held responsible for this?

00:49:04.340 Who ends up on the hook for this $20 million debt that Kamala Harris has left behind? 1.00

00:49:08.400 It's a very, very interesting question.

00:49:12.000 Under the old election law, John Glenn, the famous U.S. astronaut who ran for president, ended up liable for the enormous campaign debt that he left in his failed bid.

00:49:24.560 And that virtually destroyed he and his wife financially.

00:49:28.380 David Plouffe actually admitted yesterday, first he left the Platform X, formerly Twitter, entirely shut down his account.

00:49:41.000 Then he opened it back up and he admitted that all of the polls being put out by his campaign that showed that either Kamala Harris was ahead or was competitive, they were completely fabricated.

00:49:52.720 That was not true.

00:50:22.720 That was not true.

00:50:52.700 She wasn't even really nominated last time.

00:50:55.460 She was anointed by Barack Obama and his cronies when they forced Joe Biden out of the race.

00:51:03.700 It's interesting because I had a high-level Democrat source, longtime friend of mine, told me on a Friday that Joe Biden would withdraw from the race on Sunday afternoon, but he would not hold a press conference or a stand-up presser, wouldn't go down to the White House press room.

00:51:21.100 He would do so through the release of a letter, which he told me will not be on White House stationery.

00:51:28.440 Interesting.

00:51:29.440 Interesting.

00:51:30.440 On that Saturday, I saw Joe Biden on TV saying that wild horses couldn't get him out of the race.

00:51:36.780 He was in to stay.

00:51:37.780 I called my source and I said, are you still sure that Biden's going to withdraw?

00:51:42.940 And he said, absolutely.

00:51:45.280 4.30 tomorrow in this very strange letter.

00:51:48.500 Sure enough, Joe Biden forced out of the race.

00:51:52.620 Now, we all saw the bright red dress that Jill Biden wore when she went to vote. 1.00

00:51:59.760 We saw the footage of Joe Biden wearing a Trump hat.

00:52:04.340 It wasn't as cool as the Trump hat that I'm wearing right now.

00:52:07.780 We saw him posing and smiling broadly with a group of kids wearing Trump T-shirts. 0.99

00:52:14.180 Some people may have looked at that and said, wow, he's a crazy old man. 0.98

00:52:18.280 I don't think so. 0.92

00:52:19.940 I think he deeply resented the way that they forced him out.

00:52:24.340 But then the the the lack of respect to have a sitting Democrat primary.

00:52:31.380 And I'm not a Biden fan, obviously, but to to allow him address the Democrat convention after midnight on the opening night and then tell him he has to get out of town,

00:52:41.180 that he can't even be there for the nomination of the presidential campaigns, candidates of his party.

00:52:48.880 That's that's an ignominious insult to a sitting president of the United States.

00:52:54.020 I don't care who they are.

00:52:55.320 So I think they have reaped what they sowed.

00:52:58.580 I saw that he and President Trump, President-elect Trump, they were both smiling pretty broadly when they met.

00:53:06.600 And I give Joe Biden his credit.

00:53:09.060 You know, he he fulfilled what I think is at least his public responsibility of of welcoming the president-elect to the White House and promising a smooth transition of government.

00:53:19.920 Of course, that's what they promised Trump in 2016.

00:53:22.980 And as George Papadopoulos, who joined us today, said, even before that, they had begun the effort to spy on and destroy the Trump presidency.

00:53:34.360 So for those who think, well, everything's going to be great in America, you're you're a little premature.

00:53:43.580 Said this on the show before, and I'll ask you to get your comment and then we're going to have to wrap it up for the Thanksgiving weekend.

00:53:49.540 But anytime the American people elected outside or president, they first try to beat you in the polls.

00:53:57.240 They they try to prop up their candidates.

00:53:59.460 But after they lose, their goal is to to dilute your agenda, delay your agenda or or derail your agenda.

00:54:11.120 And they always have the same argument.

00:54:13.460 Hey, you don't really know how government works.

00:54:16.700 We've been in Washington a long time.

00:54:18.060 We can really help you.

00:54:20.180 And you see these administrations.

00:54:22.580 It happened under Jimmy Carter, happened under Ronald Reagan, happened under the first Trump administration.

00:54:28.900 They infiltrate your administration with people who, while they may share the same party as you, they certainly don't share the same agenda as you.

00:54:39.500 I can tell you, just because I have been on the periphery of the Trump presidential transition, which, by the way, is being paid for privately so that the documents involving the transition cannot go to that GSA where deliberations could be used against Trump by being misinterpreted.

00:55:01.920 That's not going to happen in this administration.

00:55:04.460 Last time, Donald Trump selected his cabinet secretaries.

00:55:10.380 Then he allowed the cabinet secretaries to select the the assistant secretaries, the deputy secretaries and on down.

00:55:19.520 This time, Donald Trump was putting in enormous hours, by the way.

00:55:23.980 I mean, you might see him on the golf course, although I don't think the Secret Service wants him to play golf for reasons of his security.

00:55:30.200 He's putting in long hours.

00:55:32.120 He's really digging in to make sure that at all levels of the new administration, the people he appoints are committed to carrying out his agenda, not their agenda.

00:55:43.880 All right, Troy, I'm afraid we have to leave it there.

00:55:47.820 What's your plan for Thanksgiving, my friend?

00:55:51.120 No plans here, Roger.

00:55:52.340 Just working on the slingshot news.

00:55:54.380 That's all I do.

00:55:55.340 So working on that building, as always.

00:55:57.280 All right, well, I'm sure you're going to go to the local Denny's and get the Thanksgiving special.

00:56:03.920 We're going to be going with friends and loved ones to the Jacksonville area, take a little bit of time off from the Stone Zone and celebrate this important holiday.

00:56:16.520 I want to thank our good friend George Papadopoulos for joining us today in the Stone Zone.

00:56:21.800 George is, I think you're going to hear great friends from George in the new year.

00:56:25.940 I know he's working on a number of things that will put him back in the public eye.

00:56:31.160 But I want to thank him and his great wife.

00:56:34.060 If you haven't checked out that series at the Tucker Carlson Network, All the President's Men, I strongly, strongly commend it to you.

00:56:41.380 It's really extraordinary.

00:56:42.540 So on behalf of Troy Smith, my co-host here, the co-pilot of the Stone Zone, I want to thank all of you and remind you that if you don't, if you're not able to catch our show every day at 4 o'clock Central, 5 o'clock Eastern at worldviewtube.com, where it premieres, you can see it later in the day by going to rumble.com slash Roger Stone to see the Stone Zone.

00:57:12.080 So go to Rumble, download that to your app, follow us there, set the notifications so you'll always be in the zone.

00:57:20.640 Until tomorrow, or I should say until Monday, because we're going to be on hiatus tomorrow, we'll bring you one of our older shows.

00:57:29.660 Or Troy may step in and do a show.

00:57:32.060 He's thinking about it.

00:57:33.360 Troy, I think you work so damn hard.

00:57:35.520 You need a day off too, but that's up to you.

00:57:38.060 In any event, until our next show, God bless you, my friends, and Godspeed.

00:57:43.540 Thank you for joining us today in the Stone Zone.

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The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - November 27, 2024

Will the Perps of the Russian Collusion Hoax Face Justice？

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