The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Will the Trump

00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit

00:00:05.480 Roger Stone. Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.

00:00:11.180 He is a New York Times best-selling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald

00:00:15.920 Trump. As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts,

00:00:20.800 spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the

00:00:25.900 Cambridge Union Society. Due to his four-plus decades in the political and cultural arena,

00:00:31.040 Stone has become a pop culture icon. And now, here's your host, Roger Stone.

00:00:40.640 Welcome. I'm Roger Stone. And yes, you are back in the Stone Zone. Well, I think President Donald

00:00:47.780 Trump put it best last night at a rally when he said that what we're going to see in roughly 48

00:00:54.720 hours has been in the works for over nine years. Nine years of hard work, nine years of victories

00:01:02.440 and defeats, nine years of deep state skullduggery. But the effort to save this country will culminate

00:01:10.820 in less than 48 hours. That assumes, of course, that the secretaries of state in Wisconsin,

00:01:18.100 Pennsylvania, and Michigan don't plot together to thwart the will of the American people.

00:01:24.720 We want to get right into it with politics, so I'm bringing in my co-host, Troy Smith, of the

00:01:30.960 incredibly successful Slingshot.News, which is quickly emerging as the number one alternative

00:01:38.580 media site in the country for people who want to read things that are important, but they can't read

00:01:44.960 anyplace else. Troy, welcome back into this. Roger, an honor to be back with you, as always. And,

00:01:51.680 you know, we started this journey with me being here, you know, every day in January. And to think

00:01:57.200 we've come all the way now to Election Day, it's pretty unbelievable. It seems like the blink of an

00:02:02.140 eye. We have so much to get into today, Roger, but I want to start off with the push from the Kamala

00:02:07.720 Harris campaign. Yesterday, I was watching a rally in North Carolina where Jon Bon Jovi was present,

00:02:14.480 along with several other artists of a more modern nature. And we saw people like LeBron James come

00:02:20.600 out and endorse Kamala Harris recently. All the celebrities, it seems, are now rallying behind

00:02:25.720 Kamala Harris. We saw Alicia Keys in Pennsylvania, which we're going to get to in a second here.

00:02:30.320 But I have a clip of LeBron James endorsing Kamala Harris. We want to get your thoughts on this push

00:02:36.020 by the celebrities to get out the vote for Kamala Harris. I want to ask you, you have so much

00:02:41.140 experience in electoral politics. Are these endorsements helping her at all? Because if

00:02:45.840 they are, it seems that Trump may be in trouble. Let's roll those clips and get Roger's opinion.

00:02:50.580 It'll be a good day. Everything's kind of silent. I want to make sure it is seen, heard, and heard with

00:02:56.820 force. So, you know, having a daughter, a wife, a mother, you know, and things of that nature.

00:03:03.260 What she believes in when it comes to women's rights. When it comes to the future, you know,

00:03:08.060 my kids and where I see our country should be. You know, I feel like that endorsement is only right.

00:03:13.820 Look at this. Come on. You guys know me. I'm damn sure I won't go the other way.

00:03:22.540 What is your experience in 2020 with him? Teach you about politics, show you about politics,

00:03:30.220 show you about the impacts you can have in a very specific way.

00:03:38.140 Well, I mean, it all started with, you know, the shut up and dribble thing, obviously,

00:03:43.180 and to be able to be in a position where you can have some influence and you have a lot of people

00:03:48.700 who, you know, who wanted to be in a position to have influence, you know, to be able to speak

00:03:53.580 outside of their realm of sports or, you know, music or movies or whatever, whatever it is,

00:04:01.340 whatever the industry is, to be able to have a platform where, you know, I was able to gather,

00:04:05.260 you know, a lot of men and women to be able to speak out from that moment. And then, you know,

00:04:09.660 more than a vote campaign, obviously, initiative.

00:04:15.740 Great commonality between celebrities who have endorsed Kamala Harris and celebrities who attended

00:04:23.900 to P. Diddy's pre-golf parties. And you just saw one right there. Look, political support in America

00:04:32.620 is not transferable. Kamala Harris has to trot out some of these celebrity endorsements because she's

00:04:42.140 so vapid. She has no substance. She can't draw a crowd by herself. My family members who still

00:04:49.980 live in the Cleveland area tell me that Donald Trump just went up three points in Ohio because

00:04:57.660 there's still deep resentment in that state about LeBron leaving Ohio behind. Now, I don't think

00:05:04.700 having Lady Gaga endorse you is going to get you a single vote that you didn't already have. In fact,

00:05:11.660 my guess is that most of Lady Gaga's admirers are probably not registered and probably aren't going

00:05:18.300 to vote. She has to use them, you see, because she has to fill the hall. Donald Trump didn't fill

00:05:24.460 the hall. We've seen record crowds at all of his events. And they're coming to see Donald Trump and

00:05:31.500 J.D. Vance. And then when he teams up with Robert Kennedy or Tulsi Gabbard, it's not just standing

00:05:38.460 room only. There are tens of thousands of people outside the venues listening to, you know, on big

00:05:44.860 loudspeakers who can't get in. So, no, I really don't think it does make a big difference.

00:05:50.860 Troy, one thing I want to talk about is this incredible new ad by Robert F. Kennedy's people

00:05:59.420 about the Liberty League, the alliance of Donald Trump, Senator, pardon me, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.,

00:06:09.100 Tulsi Gabbard, and of course Tucker Carlson, Vivek Ramaswamy, who I think are being extraordinarily

00:06:17.420 effective on the campaign hustings. Yesterday, our mutual friend Laura Loomer attacked Robert Kennedy

00:06:25.820 on Twitter, saying that the money he was raising was being used to pay his debt. Unfortunately,

00:06:34.300 first of all, I don't think he has a debt. But secondarily, if you understood federal election

00:06:38.860 law, you would know that this is all general election money. It can't be used to pay debt.

00:06:47.100 I checked in with the Kennedy campaign for a comment, and I learned that the money they're

00:06:52.460 raising is being used to contact Kennedy voters, particularly in Michigan and Wisconsin, where the

00:06:59.900 Democrats at first fought to keep RFK off the ballot. Then they successfully fought to keep him on

00:07:06.380 the ballot. So for example, the money is being used to contact those voters by telephone and by text

00:07:12.540 messaging to make sure they know that Robert Kennedy urges them to vote for Donald Trump. So I think Laura

00:07:20.780 Loomer is wrong in her assertions. But I do know this. Here, in the last 48 hours before the most

00:07:29.740 consequential election in our lifetimes is not the time to be attacking other people who are on your

00:07:36.860 own side. Let's run this amazing clip that was just dropped by Bobby Kennedy's people. What will we do with

00:07:45.660 this moment? How will we be remembered? Look at the opportunities before us.

00:07:54.860 This election really isn't about the left versus the right. It's about we the people choosing our

00:08:04.540 government and the choice between freedom versus tyranny. Nobody has a chronic disease burden like we

00:08:13.740 have. Why are we allowing this to happen to our children? Ultimately, the only thing that will save our

00:08:20.620 country is if we choose to love our kids more than we hate each other. What is going on here is deeper

00:08:30.700 than politics. It is deeply spiritual. We are being called to rise above the hatred and the fear and the

00:08:40.300 evil. We need to remember above and beyond that we must love our neighbors, that we must treat other

00:08:48.220 people as we hope to be treated. You want to be a rebel? You want to be a hippie? You want to stick it to

00:08:54.060 the man? Show up on your college campus and try calling yourself a conservative. America is going to

00:08:59.420 reach heights that it has never seen before. The future is going to be amazing.

00:09:11.660 Don't you want healthy children? Don't you want a president that's going to make America healthy again?

00:09:18.620 I come to you today as a former Democrat. I will be a first-time Trump voter tonight.

00:09:38.860 The people dreamed this country and it's the people who are making America great again.

00:10:09.660 Extraordinarily powerful ad. I think it describes perfectly this moment that we are in. As you and

00:10:15.580 I have discussed here on The Stone Zone, we are at the cusp of a complete and total political

00:10:21.340 realignment. A realignment in which the warmongers, the globalists, the neocons, the elitists,

00:10:29.500 those who would really seek to start World War III so we can gin up the profits in the defense

00:10:35.980 contractors and begin erasing the U.S. Constitution are embracing Kamala Harris, where common sense

00:10:44.220 Democrats like Robert F. Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard, Governor Rod Blagojevich, and others are rallying

00:10:51.980 to Donald Trump. This is a moment in history. Troy will never see this moment or this opportunity

00:10:58.460 again. The time is now and the stakes are extraordinarily high.

00:11:03.100 Well, Roger, I agree with you. I think it's tremendously powerful that we have somebody.

00:11:10.220 I want to point out, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is somebody who I think I've studied him pretty

00:11:16.220 closely because I examined his independent candidacy. I covered that on Slingshot News.

00:11:21.180 Even when I was working for past publications, I had covered him. Here's a guy that speaks to the

00:11:27.820 independents. Roger, I talk to election integrity groups across the country, and what we have to

00:11:34.300 understand is that as Democrats lose registrations, as Republicans lose registrations in a lot of

00:11:40.380 places, the people that are gaining steam, the people that are consistently gaining across the

00:11:45.180 board in most states are the independent voters. The independent voting bloc is becoming bigger and

00:11:50.540 bigger with each election. You know this is somebody who looks at polls and polling. The group becomes

00:11:56.380 bigger and bigger. I have never seen a candidate that more embodied the independent voter in my

00:12:03.260 lifetime than Robert F. Kennedy Jr. I may disagree with him on some major issues, including energy and

00:12:10.300 some other things, but the fact that he appeals to the independent voter and that he has stated that

00:12:16.940 President Trump aligns with him and he's endorsed President Trump, that can't be taken for granted.

00:12:22.380 His endorsement and his ability to reach the independent voter, Roger, in this election is

00:12:28.140 something I have never seen. And I wanted to ask you, have you ever seen anybody that speaks to

00:12:33.980 independent voters in a more effective way than Robert F. Kennedy has during this election cycle?

00:12:39.180 It's really been tremendous what he's done, no?

00:12:40.940 It's been an extraordinarily selfless effort. I mean, look, he had a hard choice to make. I always

00:12:49.420 thought that his running as a Democrat was futile because they would never let him fairly compete

00:12:55.420 for the Democrat nomination against Joe Biden. They canceled the Iowa caucuses. They essentially

00:13:01.900 canceled the New Hampshire primary. They really couldn't do that because it's required by law, but

00:13:07.580 instead they stripped New Hampshire of all of its delegates to the Democrat National Convention

00:13:12.940 to make the primary meaningless. When he correctly surmised that they were going to do the full Bernie

00:13:19.260 Sanders on him, they would cheat to make sure that Joe Biden was renominated. He bolted to become

00:13:26.140 an independent. Now, having left the Republican Party myself in 20, I guess it was 2012,

00:13:33.100 when the party foolishly nominated Mitt Romney, a man who believes in nothing whatsoever to run for

00:13:41.580 president. I briefly joined the Libertarian Party, where frankly, at least philosophically,

00:13:47.420 I felt more at home. And I'm proud to say that I helped Governor Gary Johnson, probably their strongest

00:13:53.900 nominee in history, get on the ballot in 48 states. So I knew how difficult getting on the ballot would be

00:14:02.460 as an independent. I mean, remember, in Johnson's case, at least there was a Libertarian Party infrastructure

00:14:08.220 in virtually every state and experienced people who knew the ropes in terms of the difficulty and

00:14:14.380 procedures of getting on the ballot. So I knew they would seek to kneecap him there. Indeed, they did.

00:14:21.660 The criminal Democrat attorney, Mark Elias, essentially spearheaded the effort to make sure that

00:14:29.260 Kennedy could not get on the ballot. He was still incredibly successful in a number of states.

00:14:35.500 And now the Democrats, of course, went into court to make sure that his name remained on the ballot

00:14:41.340 in Michigan and Wisconsin, where they had previously spent millions of dollars trying to get his name

00:14:47.020 taken off the ballot. Shows you the hypocrisy of the Democrat Party. I do want to say another thing

00:14:55.820 here that disturbs me, and that is these stories over the weekend about the New York State government

00:15:02.140 under Kathy Hochul, who, frankly, I think, needs to submit to an IQ exam, going into the private home

00:15:11.020 of an individual and seizing his pet squirrel, Peanut, and euthanizing that pet.

00:15:18.940 This has a larger symbolism, in my opinion. Yeah, I'm an animal lover. People know that.

00:15:25.500 But who was Peanut harming? Who was being harmed here? Why this overreach to an animal who had been

00:15:35.340 domesticated and had thrilled on TikTok? God knows how many children brought a little joy into people's

00:15:43.340 lives. This was a beloved pet. If somebody came into my house, seized my dog, and killed my dog,

00:15:49.980 I can't think of anything more horrific. But this is today's Democrat Party. I think it is disgraceful.

00:15:57.900 Let's run a little clip on Peanut because Troy and I, we insist on justice for Peanut.

00:16:03.900 Let's run a little clip on Peanut.

00:16:12.540 There's a party downtown near Fish Street. Everybody had to bargain tips.

00:16:21.500 Everybody had to bargain tips.

00:16:27.500 Everybody had to bargain tips.

00:16:30.380 I've been boozy since I live. I ain't change it for a chick. Tell my ma I ain't forget.

00:16:36.300 Woke up drunk at 10 a.m. We gon' do this again. Tell your girl to bring a friend.

00:16:42.700 Here comes the two, to the three, to the four. Tell them bring another round, we need 30 more.

00:16:48.140 Who's stepping on the table, she don't need a dance floor. Oh my, good lord.

00:16:54.140 Someone pull me up a double shot of wings. They don't need a dance, gotta hit stretch back.

00:17:00.060 There's a party downtown near.

00:17:03.500 Look, Troy, a party that will burst into your home and seize your pet and kill them will ultimately

00:17:12.380 burst into your home to seize your children, to vaccinate them, and therefore, perhaps,

00:17:17.820 to kill them. This is a heartbreaking story. And I actually think it's going to move votes in this

00:17:23.820 election, in an election that is this close and this volatile, to have the heavy-handed New York

00:17:31.260 State government raid this guy's home. They also killed Fred the raccoon. May they both rest in peace.

00:17:39.100 They both brought joy to hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Americans, particularly kids.

00:17:45.660 This is really disgraceful. Well, you know, Roger, that's just the way that the government goes.

00:17:50.700 You know, we've seen these people doing this for a long time. They feel as if they have the right

00:17:54.940 to burst in your home for whatever reason and take you away. I mean, you saw this when they

00:17:59.340 sent FBI agents to your house for literally no reason. I mean, they made up a crime and then they

00:18:04.060 accused you of covering up for something that you didn't do. And there was no evidence that

00:18:09.500 ever happened. So, you know, this is what they do. And we have to be aware of this. And that's why

00:18:16.140 this coalition of Republicans, Democrats, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Donald Trump,

00:18:22.060 J.D. Vance is so special, Roger, because the foundational element of this is freedom,

00:18:27.500 liberty. And we don't say that in the traditional, you know, Republican get out the vote sense. We say that

00:18:32.620 in the let's address the foundational problems in this country as it pertains to threats to our

00:18:39.500 constitutional liberties. And I think, you know, any review of Robert F. Kennedy's work,

00:18:45.340 particularly as it pertains to health freedom, reveals that this guy is so involved intricately

00:18:52.940 in how in the process by which Americans rights are eroded away, which is why it's so exciting to

00:18:58.540 think that this guy might actually have a chance to go to Washington to try to take away

00:19:02.380 those elements that erode away our constitutional liberties. Another player, like we talked about

00:19:07.580 this, Roger, is Tulsi Gabbard. She has put out over the last few days a couple videos that I think we

00:19:15.100 want to show here because they're so great, kind of destroying Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney, and these

00:19:21.420 warmongers that really make up the resistance to this political reformation that we've been talking about

00:19:27.660 here for the last year. So we want to roll these two clips of Tulsi Gabbard basically taking apart

00:19:34.140 the chain. He's taking apart the Washington, D.C. establishment war machine that opposes Donald

00:19:40.700 Trump and is working so hard to elect Kamala Harris. We want to roll those clips, Roger,

00:19:45.260 and then let you roll on these because Ms. Gabbard really putting out an incredibly effective

00:19:50.700 message here. Let's roll that. You know, Tulsi, when Mark Cuban says

00:19:54.700 Donald Trump doesn't like to surround himself with smart, intelligent,

00:19:58.060 independent women, it's hard not to see that's a direct shot at Kellyanne Conway,

00:20:02.940 Kayleigh McEnany, Linda McMahon, a whole host of other women as well, including you, Tulsi.

00:20:08.860 It seems like it's a direct shot at someone like you. You know, there's actually something much

00:20:14.940 darker that he is, he is implying there because the premise of his statement is that he believes

00:20:21.580 that Liz Cheney and female warmongers like her are what defines strong women. They are, they are

00:20:29.820 hypocrites and cowards because when you look at people like Liz Cheney, she is eager to send our troops

00:20:36.540 into harm's way. She is eager to advocate for more stupid wars, but she and other warmongers like her

00:20:43.180 will never volunteer to put their lives on the line for these military adventures they're advocating in.

00:20:49.020 I just finished a couple of days of Army Reserve duty at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, and yesterday morning,

00:20:54.140 I stood there on the graduation field and saw a few hundred brand new soldiers graduating from basic

00:21:01.260 training. Probably a thousand family members there to celebrate them. And it was so moving.

00:21:06.700 And I was thinking about people like Liz Cheney when I was watching them because these are the young

00:21:12.940 men and women who will pay the price potentially with their lives if people like Liz Cheney, Dick Cheney,

00:21:19.900 and Kamala Harris are allowed to be in power. This is one of the many reasons why I'm so strongly advocating

00:21:25.980 for and supporting for President Trump to go back to the White House to end wars, not start them.

00:21:31.500 President Trump was absolutely right when he said that Dick and Liz Cheney are always eager to go and

00:21:37.740 waste the precious lives of our brave men and women in uniform, sending them off to go fight in stupid

00:21:43.740 military adventures. And yet they themselves are too cowardly to put themselves in a position where the

00:21:50.780 enemy's guns are pointed at them with their lives at risk. So instead they sit and hide in their ivory

00:21:57.100 towers without hesitation, sending others into harm's way. So President Trump speaking this truth is not

00:22:04.780 a threat to anyone. It's the truth that voters need to know before this election is over. Listen to Trump

00:22:12.540 say it in his own words and make your mind up for yourself.

00:22:15.260 President Trump speaking this truth. But the reason she couldn't stand me is that she always wanted to

00:22:19.820 go to war with people. I don't want to go to war. She wanted to go. She wanted to stay in Syria. I took

00:22:25.420 them out. She wanted to stay in Iraq. I took them out. I mean, if it were up to her, we'd we'd be in 50

00:22:32.060 different countries. She's a radical war hawk. Let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine

00:22:39.420 barrels shooting at her. Okay. Let's see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained in her face.

00:22:45.100 You know, they're all war hawks when they're sitting in Washington in a nice building saying,

00:22:50.460 oh, gee, well, let's send, let's send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy.

00:22:57.100 But she's a stupid person. And I used to have meetings with a lot of people. And she always

00:23:04.220 wanted to go to war with people. Well, Troy, we know how those comments

00:23:09.900 by President Trump got distorted. No, he did not suggest putting Liz Cheney up in front of a firing

00:23:17.020 squad. He's making the point that how easy it is for her to push war because she's not the one who

00:23:22.940 has to go fight it. It's our family members. It's our young people. It's our young servicemen and women

00:23:29.980 that she's so anxious to put in harm's way. But in the final 48 hours, 72 hours of a presidential

00:23:38.540 campaign, you see this every four years. I've seen it for 13 presidential cycles. The media,

00:23:45.260 which is hostile and corrupt, will take anything the president says and seek to twist it into something

00:23:53.260 he didn't say. As for the question of strong women, this is an absurdity. Susie Wiles,

00:24:00.380 who I've known for over 30 years, going back to her service for Ronald Reagan, Congressman Jack Kemp,

00:24:07.900 almost principally responsible for the election of Rick Scott to the US Senate, has been leading

00:24:14.700 Donald Trump's campaign. This is, I can tell you from experience, the most efficient, effective

00:24:22.140 presidential campaign in US history in either party. And the president has relied on Susan Wiles,

00:24:30.300 a strong, very intelligent, experienced woman. Back in his real estate days, all of his top executives

00:24:38.860 were women. So this is a smear. But speaking of women, is Mark Cuban transitioning or what's going on

00:24:46.460 there? Because he looks kind of weird to me. He is bizarre looking. You know, I think they're losing

00:24:52.380 the Mavericks for him. You know, I understand he made a boatload of money and that's got to make it

00:24:56.460 a little bit easier. But that was such a part of his personality. To me, he looks like a lost puppy.

00:25:02.220 Now he walks around and it's so obvious to me, Roger, that the guy is so jealous of Donald Trump

00:25:07.660 because he looks at himself. He says, I'm a billionaire. I'm on TV. I'm on reality TV.

00:25:12.940 Why am I not president? Well, Mark Cuban is because Donald Trump is a special talent. He's really,

00:25:18.700 I think, and Roger, you would probably agree with this, probably the most talented individual

00:25:22.700 we've ever seen in American politics. He is the only person that's ever been in American politics

00:25:27.980 to become president without being a general or some kind of elected official beforehand. So really,

00:25:33.660 he's done more with nothing than many people have done with being senators and congressmen. I mean,

00:25:40.220 I think that angers the political class and it also angers Mark Cuban because he looks at himself,

00:25:45.100 he says, I should be president. And we know that he was on the phone with Larry Hogan and all these

00:25:49.820 people with the no labels thing. They weighed that. I mean, he eventually decided not to do it. Maybe

00:25:54.140 he's a little smarter than he looks and he knows that he would get obliterated if he ran for president,

00:25:59.340 especially as a third party. But, you know, he's a very bitter guy, Roger, and that goes into

00:26:04.780 the Democrat strategy. You know, he's been doing interviews, by the way, and they told him to stop

00:26:11.020 because the backlash he's getting from the interviews is so tremendous that he's really

00:26:15.260 hurting the campaign. So a lot of stress. He may be going through a stress-induced transition there.

00:26:20.780 But there is something I wanted to bring up to you, Roger. It's very interesting. You predicted long

00:26:26.700 ago that it would be Michelle Obama that would be inserted into this election. Now that didn't end up

00:26:32.620 happening, but you, you know, the first half of your prediction where you predicted Joe Biden would

00:26:36.380 not be the nominee, you got that one right. And we've seen Michelle Obama kind of come out of the

00:26:42.380 woodwork here and start campaigning for Kamala Harris. I found it tremendously interesting. Kamala

00:26:47.580 Harris was out west of this weekend while it was Michelle Obama and Alicia Keys that were campaigning

00:26:53.900 for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the crucial key state of Pennsylvania. We have a clip of Michelle

00:27:00.380 Obama campaigning. And I want to get your thoughts. You know, this was Josh Shapiro,

00:27:05.340 the Pennsylvania governor and Michelle Obama, along with Alicia Keys. Why was Kamala Harris not in the

00:27:11.660 most important state? And what does that say about how the Democrats feel about their own nominee?

00:27:16.220 Let's roll, Michelle.

00:27:17.100 For so much of this election cycle, we have been inundated with voices and forces that tell us another

00:27:27.420 story about who we are. The folks telling us that things may not be as they appear,

00:27:35.100 that we should be suspicious of our neighbors, that military service and sacrifice is for suckers,

00:27:43.900 that there's an enemy from within. See, we've had this noise buzzing in our ears for over a decade now.

00:27:53.020 But at least for me, y'all, it's still not normal. It is still unsettling. Every time I hear someone say

00:28:01.580 that the hope and pride that I feel for the country I love is misplaced, that down is up and right is wrong,

00:28:09.820 my God, it's bewildering. It is dangerous. It is shameful.

00:28:20.220 Now, of course, we've been battling for the soul of our democracy for a very long time.

00:28:27.100 And the tactics to tear it apart are not new. Sadly, they have become more insidious,

00:28:34.940 more cunning, led by a more skilled con man who is more brazen and bombastic.

00:28:43.740 But this, too, is part of the great experiment that we call democracy.

00:28:50.620 Can people who strongly disagree still find common ground?

00:28:56.460 And throughout our nation's history, we haven't always been able to answer that question with a

00:29:01.900 resounding yes. We have had our fair share of dark moments, some lasting for decades,

00:29:10.060 stretches of time that have been hard and scary. But for anyone who's ever endeavored to build or do

00:29:18.220 something hard or scary, erecting a skyscraper, scaling a mountain, even a child building a sandcastle,

00:29:26.860 you learn very quickly that it's a lot easier to destroy than to build up.

00:29:33.900 Well, first of all, there she goes again, recycling the suckers and losers claim

00:29:40.380 by the bitter, not credible General John Kelly. You remember him. He was briefly Donald Trump's

00:29:48.700 chief of staff. When he tried to control total access to the president, he tried to control who

00:29:55.020 the president could see, who he could talk to on the phone, and began undermining his America First

00:30:00.940 agenda. He was fired for insubordination. That's when he dreamed up this idea that Trump had referred

00:30:08.860 to military members who had lost their lives in the service of the country as suckers and losers.

00:30:15.180 But, Troy, there were 20 other people present at the cemetery where Kelly claims this happened.

00:30:22.300 None of them recall Trump saying anything of the kind. And then recently, with Bob Woodward,

00:30:28.380 the congenital liar whose books I have decimated, you can go to stonezone.com and look up a piece

00:30:35.420 I wrote called The Lies of Bob Woodward. He came up with another lie that Trump praised Adolf Hitler.

00:30:42.780 And John Kelly says he's known this for five years, but he just decided to bring it up in the last two

00:30:49.580 weeks of a presidential campaign. Once again, he can't find anybody who will corroborate this.

00:30:55.820 In fact, the Secretary of Defense, who's not supporting Donald Trump, has been a critic.

00:31:00.780 He said he was there and Trump said nothing of the kind. I'd like to know the last time

00:31:08.460 Michelle Obama built a skyscraper. When was that? I know one guy who has built skyscrapers,

00:31:14.780 the guy who changed the skyline of New York. That's Donald Trump. Once again, everything they

00:31:22.220 accuse us of is exactly what they themselves are doing. One final question for Michelle. How's your

00:31:29.980 chef? All right. We're going to have to go to a quick commercial break here. And when we come back,

00:31:36.060 we're going to talk about how Donald Trump unleashed America's ingenuity and economic enterprise when he,

00:31:46.060 in the 2018 Farm Bill, legalized hemp in America, creating a $30 billion industry, as well as

00:31:55.740 320,000 new jobs. Take a look at this and then we'll be right back.

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00:34:32.380 a discussion now of the phenomena that took place after President Donald Trump pushed and signed an

00:34:40.700 amendment to the 2018 Farm Bill which legalized hemp in America. Joining us now, A.J. Fabrizio,

00:34:49.260 who is a cannabis scientist and to whom I'm deeply grateful for helping me understand all of the

00:34:57.420 state and federal issues surrounding the cannabis industry. And we're also joined by Brett Worley,

00:35:04.940 who is the CEO of Vivamoo.com, one of the country's leading hemp companies. Gentlemen, welcome

00:35:13.420 to the Stone Zone. Hey Roger, thank you for having us. Thanks for having us, Roger.

00:35:18.940 Good to see you, A.J. Good to see you too, Brett. All right, A.J., we're going to start with you

00:35:24.220 because you have this innate ability to try to make complicated issues understandable. Tell us

00:35:31.340 what happened when Donald Trump signed the Farm Bill. Well, to keep a long story short,

00:35:39.260 as we've spoken last time I was on here with you, Roger, so basically the way that you have to look at

00:35:46.140 the plant cannabis, the organism cannabis. President Trump in 2018 signed an iteration of the Farm Bill,

00:35:56.540 which passes about every five years, which redefined the two subcategories legally for the,

00:36:05.020 or distinctions legally for the organism cannabis. The legal determination, which is defined as the word

00:36:11.820 hemp, and the illegal determination, which is defined as the word marijuana. And prior to 2018,

00:36:18.860 the definition of what can, what varietals of cannabis could be considered marijuana were vast

00:36:25.660 and virtually, I mean, you would say almost every iteration or phenotype of the cannabis plant would be,

00:36:33.580 would be considered illegal marijuana. But in 2018, there was language that was added to the Farm Bill,

00:36:41.180 not by accident. It was done purposefully, which was recodified in the final rules that came out in 2021,

00:36:49.020 which redefined what would turn legal hemp into illegal marijuana. And that distinction

00:36:57.580 is one chemical, or one constituent, delta-9 THC, in which when that constituent rises above a level of 0.3%

00:37:12.620 by dry weight, or 0.3%, it becomes, it goes from hemp to marijuana. Now, it's important to note,

00:37:21.740 and a lot of people will be confused by this, because I think there's a certain interest in

00:37:28.700 those opposing hemp to keep it that way. Delta-9 THC is not produced by the plant. It actually is a

00:37:36.940 degraded product of what is produced by the plant, THCA or tetrahydrocannabinic acid. And under specific

00:37:45.340 conditions such as heat, light, or UV light, oxygen, and time, THCA can decompose into delta-9 THC.

00:37:55.900 However, the distinction is that the plant itself at no point actually produces delta-9 THC or the

00:38:02.060 controlled substance that would then determine whether or not it becomes illicit marijuana. And

00:38:07.340 just to explain to what that did a little bit to the marketplace is, because the plant itself doesn't

00:38:15.340 produce delta-9 THC, virtually all cannabis that grows up until a very specific set of circumstances

00:38:24.540 is legally determined. It could be legally determined as hemp, which means it is a federally legal

00:38:31.820 commodity. And just to add why I said commodities, because also in the Farm Bill, what it specifically

00:38:38.700 did is not just redefine that limit that determines whether or not it's hemp or marijuana, but it also

00:38:46.300 took hemp out from under the jurisdiction of the DEA or the Controlled Substance Act and put it solely

00:38:52.300 under the jurisdiction of the USDA.

00:38:54.140 I think people need to recognize that hemp has multiple uses. It can be used for clothing,

00:39:04.540 building materials, fuel, and so on. It has a very broad application, which is why it has

00:39:10.860 so much great potential. Brett, next question to you. The hemp industry does find itself under attack,

00:39:19.900 some of it controversial. Why is this, and why should the average American care?

00:39:27.580 Well, the short answer is it shouldn't be. Cannabis sativa L was descheduled, as A.J.

00:39:33.100 was said, and it was magical for lack of better terms. Extracts, derivatives, and salts. The whole

00:39:41.740 plant was descheduled and removed from the Controlled Substance Act. And with that,

00:39:47.180 that allowed for the innovation of cannabinoids for consumption, whether it's for nutraceutical

00:39:53.100 purposes or for medicinal purposes or for recreational purposes. But it also allowed

00:39:58.940 us to get back to the economy that once was, which we had a hemp economy in the United States of America.

00:40:05.180 Our ropes were made out of hemp. Paper was made out of hemp. All types of products were made out of

00:40:13.500 hemp. For example, don't quote me on this, but hemp pallets are about 60 times lighter and three times

00:40:20.380 stronger. So if FedEx and UPS and Amazon use pallets, you would see a huge cost savings over the next decades

00:40:29.580 of fuel, given that how much freight they ship. So what we're starting to see in this economy,

00:40:36.780 although MC Nutraceuticals and Vivimo are just cannabinoid companies, is we are starting to

00:40:42.460 divest or reinvest into these next segments, which are allowed under the Farm Bill.

00:40:49.660 Now, going back to your question, the marijuana industry, which is federally illegal and just

00:40:55.580 legal in typically Democratic states, Democrat states, California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado,

00:41:02.780 they've decided that they don't like interstate commerce. They don't like federal legalization

00:41:07.580 because they cannot control it. It's not a monopolistic regime. So they've used lobbying

00:41:13.100 powers or lobbying power and dollars in order to ban these products in a lot of those Democrat states.

00:41:20.300 Luckily, people like myself and others were able to start in Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama,

00:41:26.140 Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, these Republican strongholds, a lot of these being

00:41:30.780 tobacco states, and explain to the state legislatures how important this crop is going to be now and also

00:41:38.220 how important it's going to be in the future to where it could be a trillion dollar economy.

00:41:42.860 This was taken and scaled up into D.C. with Amendment 35 in the Farm Bill that was rolled

00:41:49.820 into Chairman Thompson on the ag committees on block. And this was a complete decimation into

00:41:56.620 the entire hemp industry. It didn't just get rid of the rope. It got rid of the CBD. It got rid of the

00:42:01.100 Delta-8 THC. It got rid of everything, which was a blessing in disguise, in my opinion, because it

00:42:07.260 allowed the hemp industry to unify and, you know, people like me and AJ to eventually meet ourselves and

00:42:12.220 Roger yourself, too, and us to come up with a defense plan, which is we want to protect the

00:42:18.220 current $30 billion industry, but we also want to grow into that trillion dollar industry that we

00:42:22.700 really think and we truly believe is going to be possible over the next 30 years. And Congress has

00:42:28.860 really, you know, been able to take that up and been very receptive of that because they feel like

00:42:34.540 they got tricked into this Mary Miller Amendment.

00:42:39.580 AJ, if you would, kind of outline for folks the potential health benefits of hemp. Brett sent me a

00:42:48.940 couple of great products, CBD products. Frankly, they help me sleep. They help me sleep. They help me

00:42:56.220 recover. I don't get, you know, they're so much, they're so superior to say Xanax or Valium or Halcyon

00:43:04.380 or any of these other pharmaceutical drugs. I find them actually indispensable and also far less

00:43:11.980 expensive. So I'm not sure folks realize the great potential health benefits here.

00:43:18.220 Sure. So there's actually a direct health benefit and then there's indirect health benefits when you talk

00:43:24.700 about hemp as a whole and being reutilized in the economy. So to get a little crash course on the

00:43:31.820 science or the biology and the biochemistry. So I personally also, the reason why I got into the

00:43:39.100 industry, as you know, Roger and Brett is I have epilepsy and cannabinoids were the only thing that

00:43:45.180 seemed to be effective for me. In addition to a lot of other patients who have epilepsy, that was one of

00:43:51.580 the driving forces to see broad and broad embrace or the crossover from blue to red states for medical

00:43:59.660 marijuana, like states like Florida. But to answer your question, Roger, first, firstly, the direct

00:44:06.460 benefits are these, these, these chemicals, these 120 some odd chemicals, depending on which author you

00:44:12.700 read, specifically about cannabinoids. So THC, CBD, CBG, their acidic counterparts, CBN, a degraded or a more

00:44:24.780 oxidized counterpart to THC. They all interact on a system that was actually rather recently, I mean,

00:44:32.940 I say recently discovered, but it was discovered in 1988, the endocannabinoid system. It's comprised of,

00:44:40.540 it's two of its major components are the CB1 or CB and CBT receptors. These are some of the most

00:44:47.420 densely populated receptors in the, in your body. So it was very surprising when we discovered these,

00:44:54.380 these receptors. And what's very interesting is that the endocannabinoid system, it has other

00:44:59.980 receptors in addition, but to simplify, what these receptors actually do is they deal with regulation

00:45:06.780 and homeostasis in the body, which is basically the amount of equilibrium your biochemistry has.

00:45:12.300 And to say it simply, and one of the reasons why people, you know, are probably a little,

00:45:18.700 maybe a little bit standoffish, especially when I started 15 years ago, is it sounds like a cure-all,

00:45:23.180 a snake oil. And the reality is, is that it doesn't cure everything, but because of the way the

00:45:29.020 endocannabinoid system works in the body, it does, the endocannabinoid system does have a say in

00:45:33.820 virtually every process that occurs in the body and every bodily system, whether it's reproductive,

00:45:38.460 whether it's metabolic, whether it's the way the cell cycle works. I mean, if it's the nervous system.

00:45:47.420 So one of the things that you find with these cannabinoids in general is they have certain

00:45:52.460 properties and they all vary slightly, but you know, the main ones, for instance, a really interesting

00:46:00.540 product that's our set of chemicals that are being studied now. First of all, they show extremely

00:46:08.540 potent anti-inflammatory effects. So potent that they're more effective than over-the-counter

00:46:15.020 non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen or acetaminophen. But they also can be more

00:46:21.660 effective than steroids. The second plus to administering cannabinoids over these traditional

00:46:28.780 products is that they are resoundingly non-toxic. And I really want people to understand and

00:46:33.900 emphasize that point. There have been no overdoses, or I should say lethal doses,

00:46:43.420 of cannabinoids ever. Researchers, when they were trying to actually establish a lethal dosage amongst

00:46:50.940 lab rats and things like that, found it quite difficult, actually, because the content and the

00:46:56.540 doses just got so high that they became nonsensical. So you've got this resoundingly non-toxic ability

00:47:06.060 inside the body. So the liver load that usually accompanies taking anti-inflammatories isn't there.

00:47:12.220 In addition, you know, for everyday use, a lot of these chemicals are very good sleep regulators.

00:47:20.460 They allow for better sleep, deeper sleep, more restorative sleep. And then when you start getting

00:47:27.660 into, you know, our category of as you start getting a little bit older and start dealing with the

00:47:34.140 symptoms of aging, and in some cases, if you're very unlucky or unfortunate and you start developing

00:47:40.140 age-related illnesses like cancer, you know, autoimmune disease, neurodegenerative disease,

00:47:45.100 things like that, it isn't a surprise based off of the data that these cannabinoids are extremely

00:47:50.860 effective in helping treat a lot of these symptoms, if not the underlying condition itself. And

00:47:57.660 obviously, that would be a whole other show to talk about. Now, the indirect health benefits,

00:48:05.420 as Brett was saying, you know, the cannabinoid conversation has been going on for a long time,

00:48:09.020 and it's the most divisive of these conversations. But, you know, my interest now that we have not

00:48:16.620 only a federally legal cannabinoid market derived from hemp, and a state legal cannabinoid market

00:48:23.180 derived from medical and recreational marijuana, is the other applications and usages of hemp in the

00:48:31.740 economy that history can show us, in addition to the very exciting new technologies that could be

00:48:37.580 derived utilizing hemp as a resource. For instance, you know, you've heard me use this analogy before

00:48:46.860 that the hemp industry is where I believe is basically where the, very similar to where the

00:48:53.580 oil industry, the oil and gas industry was in the late 1800s. It reminds me very much of standard oil,

00:48:58.860 where the gasoline and kerosene were enough to actually, for Rockefeller, for him to fund his whole

00:49:05.180 operation, you know, find the wells, drill the wells, pump it, move it, refine it, and then sell it. And

00:49:10.780 about 50% of what he was moving, depending on, you know, the oil, the crude oil, was, quote, trash.

00:49:17.100 He, that he, you know, it wasn't the gasoline and kerosene. And as time went on, he went and he said,

00:49:22.140 look, half of what I'm transporting and paying to transport is useless. And I want to see if there's

00:49:27.260 something I can do with this. And that was, he started investing in university systems and chemical

00:49:32.620 companies. And that was the advent of the petrochemical industry. 80% of what you touch

00:49:36.860 has a petroleum product in it. And THC and CBD, you know, you could argue are the gasoline and kerosene

00:49:43.180 of the resurgence of what Brett was alluding to, the most important resource throughout

00:49:51.580 the beginning of our history in the United States and the history around the world of hemp. And so these

00:49:57.500 indirect health issues, for instance, if we were to start feeding livestock hemp again,

00:50:05.260 like they used to before we had corn fed and there was just grass. There are studies that show that

00:50:11.180 the quality of the meat increases, the veterinary bills decrease for the animals. You get access to

00:50:19.100 these precursors to endocannabinoids and to cannabinoids themselves through the actual animal meat.

00:50:26.380 Now you don't get the actual THC and CBD directly, but you get those fats that can then be converted

00:50:32.300 to similar molecules inside the body that help promote the health, the direct health

00:50:38.140 effects that we had first discussed answering this question. So.

00:50:43.820 Brett, next question to you. Which states have legislated these products properly

00:50:49.980 and which have not. And then the second part, what regulations does the hemp industry support?

00:50:59.340 Yeah. So Tennessee was the first really good bill. It had a milligram caps, 21 plus license licensing

00:51:07.180 requirements that are very limited, which I'll explain in a second, but $250 for a retailer, $500 for

00:51:13.820 a manufacturer, um, safety standards, uh, with testing requirements for third party ISO accredited

00:51:21.660 lab, which is fairly standard in a nutraceutical standpoint. Um, so Tennessee was the framework

00:51:27.580 of a lot of bills that came after it. So the bills that came after it were Florida, Georgia,

00:51:32.780 um, South Carolina made it through one of the chambers, but then got stalled. And we expect to get

00:51:37.660 that through this year, North Carolina had the same thing going. So we've kind of just had an evolution

00:51:43.180 of the Tennessee bill. There's also bills in Kentucky that will be reworked this session and Alabama,

00:51:48.780 which just had a 21 plus, but obviously we want more girth. Um, and the places where bills were bad,

00:51:56.060 um, they're complete bands for, and for example, in Nevada, um, Roger, I sent you a product called CBN.

00:52:02.540 Uh, it's a sleep product. It's has a psychoactivity profile of one 20th of Delta nine THC.

00:52:11.500 And it essentially doesn't get you high. It's banned, um, because of the way it was made. California,

00:52:17.900 all products are banned at the moment. Oregon, all products are banned at the moment. Um, and the same

00:52:23.900 with Washington. So, I mean, again, you kind of see this red versus blue divide of the hemp versus

00:52:29.980 marijuana industry, which just comes down to pure monopolistic play. Um, a license in Kentucky,

00:52:37.660 um, although it has a hemp program, they just gave out 10 licenses. That license could be $5 million

00:52:44.780 where a license for hemp could be a hundred. So you're really talking about a small business farming

00:52:51.340 community, which is hemp versus a large monopolistic corporate structure, which we call multi-state

00:52:58.380 operators called marijuana. So for example, that, you know, a company spent a hundred million dollars

00:53:07.100 trying to make sure that they got more licenses, um, in a certain state recently. And that is kind

00:53:14.380 of how the marijuana guys played their game. And that is the difference between marijuana and hemp.

00:53:19.500 We want labeling requirements, testing requirements, 21 plus and milligram caps. And then we want to be

00:53:27.900 left alone because that's all that's truly required for this plant when it comes to consumption.

00:53:34.460 Yeah. I want to talk about that product, uh, for just a moment. Uh, this is the sleep product put out

00:53:40.700 by Vivimu.com. This stuff has really saved my life. Believe me. I tried Ambien,

00:53:47.580 gave me horrific nightmares. I tried Xanax. Ultimately you become depressed. I tried Halcyon,

00:53:55.740 uh, worked for a little while, all pharmaceutical drugs, all very expensive. By the way,

00:54:00.540 this product is inexpensive. You can go to the website, which is Vivimu, which is V-I-V-I-M-U.com.

00:54:09.100 There it is. Uh, and order their sleep product. Uh, by the way, Brett didn't ask me to do this.

00:54:14.700 This, this has literally me going, uh, through this campaign season because I've been able to get

00:54:21.740 a good night's sleep. Uh, I, I like your other product as well, which is relief. You get it at

00:54:28.460 the same website folks. These are great products. They're inexpensive. They work no hangover in the

00:54:35.820 morning. None of that kind of, uh, slow start in the morning. Can't say enough great things about

00:54:42.300 them. Uh, and, uh, Brett, I thank you for introducing me to them. They're, they're truly,

00:54:48.060 really great. And Roger, I appreciate the plug. And the thing is, is in the hemp industry,

00:54:53.820 the dosage is very important. We're the only company that has a truly scientific dose, which is in that,

00:54:59.900 in the, in the CVN products is 15 milligrams. Every other company would be at 10 and it's just not enough.

00:55:05.020 And, and AJ can speak to this with CBD. When CBD came out, all the dosage was 10,

00:55:10.140 20 milligrams. Where if you look at the Epidiolex study per kilogram, you're talking

00:55:16.780 about for an adult male to be anywhere from like 200 to 400 milligrams. So we really took a look at that,

00:55:22.060 the studies of how much milligrams we, we thought you would need in order to get an effective dose. And

00:55:28.220 PBN is the reason why I'm in the industry. I tried it. I couldn't sleep. It worked.

00:55:35.580 And here I am. So, you know, me and AJ, although AJ, I don't have a, I don't have a, you know,

00:55:40.860 disability like epilepsy, but you know, these cannabinoids play a role in everybody's different

00:55:45.660 lives because of our endocannabinoid, you know, system to be that highway for these molecules.

00:55:50.620 Um, and they, the other product that was shown is an anti-inflammatory that has

00:55:55.500 little, you know, it, it, it truly gives you anti-inflammation and pain relief. So

00:56:01.500 there's a, there's a lot of science that needs to be done, but there's a lot of

00:56:04.940 very good products out in the market that are extremely pure. We make these all to 99%

00:56:10.540 plus. And, you know, they're essentially pharmaceutical API, but you know, we're not

00:56:15.260 pharmaceutical companies. Uh, we got about three minutes left, but it's a big and important

00:56:21.340 question. So let's try to address it. There is an amendment, uh, put forward by a congresswoman

00:56:26.620 from Illinois, who is a Trump supporter, uh, that would completely change. And based on what I've read,

00:56:33.100 essentially gut the hemp, uh, industry, uh, right now, it doesn't appear that that's going to pass,

00:56:39.420 but, uh, what exactly are they trying to do? Uh, and why? Either one of you. Uh, well, just let

00:56:49.340 me jump in real quick and then you can go, Brett, you can finalize it, but, uh, to, to actually,

00:56:53.420 that's a great question. And to add on to Brett's answer earlier, uh, about what's the divisiveness

00:56:59.820 between, you know, it's cannabis and, and I bet 10 years ago, a, we, I don't think anybody think we

00:57:06.300 would think we would be having this conversation so soon, but B, I don't think that people would

00:57:10.140 think that you would have an, a, a fight, uh, you know, between the two industries hemp, uh,

00:57:16.620 legal hemp federally and illegal marijuana federally, but legal on the state level. Um,

00:57:21.820 you know, I, I'm looking at it from the dollars and, you know, the, the, the dollars and cents

00:57:26.860 perspective. Uh, I've been a part of the, the full cannabis movement. Uh, I worked, started off in

00:57:33.260 medical marijuana, recreational marijuana, doing legislative efforts, building laboratories,

00:57:37.340 doing education. I started in California, built one of the first labs, uh, that was public in the

00:57:42.460 country before they had the licensing, uh, for recreation as we see it. And one of the things,

00:57:49.100 uh, that I have empathy for with the medical and recreational side is that they are stuck to a

00:57:55.660 broken business. Uh, it was useful at the time, uh, you know, the taxes associated with operating as

00:58:03.180 a medical and recreational business were useful at the time to be able to get business going.

00:58:08.140 Uh, uh, but the reality is, is that, you know, throughout the process, and I would say this

00:58:12.540 when we were in legislative, uh, you know, meetings, uh, throughout the country is we're more than

00:58:17.660 willing to pay a tax, but let's not forget the fact that these taxes come from the idea of a syntax,

00:58:23.580 uh, you know, similar to alcohol. And, uh, you know, when we repealed prohibition,

00:58:28.940 we knew we didn't want to create more criminal enterprise, but we also knew that alcohol causes

00:58:33.020 damage to society. And therefore we tried to offset some of that damage to the syntax,

00:58:37.660 uh, that we all still pay today with, with cannabis, we, we paid it, uh, in more ways than

00:58:44.300 not as a bribe. Uh, when you think about it, it allowed for the industries to go, but what you

00:58:49.340 notice that that's contrary to alcohol is that there's actually savings that the states have from

00:58:53.420 health and, and, and, and safety, uh, standards. And so you can make an argument that that tax may not

00:59:01.900 be necessary from a syntax perspective. Now medical recreational companies on the state level are

00:59:09.260 stuck. They have to pay those extra, that extra overhead and those taxes to the state. Whereas

00:59:16.860 how are they supposed to compete with a federally federal commodity like hemp, uh, you know, that

00:59:22.860 is similar to alfalfa or corn in which there are no taxes associated with it. And I, and I don't think

00:59:28.540 there should be, um, and you know, they don't, we, we, although we do, uh, as, as Brett said, uh, regulate

00:59:38.220 ourselves to the highest degree, uh, compared to other food and drug, uh, industries, um, we find

00:59:45.340 ourselves in a situation that the cost for us to do business is much lower than the artificially

00:59:51.740 inflated costs of the state systems that exist. And so, uh, I have some empathy for these companies,

00:59:59.340 uh, because, you know, capitalistically in a free market, there's no way that they can actually compete

01:00:03.900 with hemp companies. And so you see quite a bit of these companies, uh, as Brett could tell you, looking

01:00:09.420 to convert and become federal hemp companies, because if you have a situation in which you can be a

01:00:13.500 federal legal product, as well as a state legal product, why would you not do that?

01:00:17.340 Unfortunately, we have to leave it there. So here's what I'd like to do. Uh, we can do a full

01:00:24.540 hour show on this because the subject is so important. So I'm going to invite you all back

01:00:29.740 here, uh, uh, in the very near future for a broader conversation. Uh, but this has been very enlightening

01:00:36.220 and I appreciate both of your being here in the meantime, folks, uh, I have to, uh, kind of wrap this

01:00:42.220 up. So please pray for our president's protection, uh, and pray for victory. Thank you for joining us

01:00:49.260 today on the stone zone and look for our upcoming show on the hemp industry. So we can get into this

01:00:55.980 at an even deeper level, even perhaps with a broader panel. I want to thank both of my guests, uh,

01:01:02.300 AJ Fabrizio. We call him the mad scientist. This guy is so smart. It scares me. And Brett Worley,

01:01:08.860 the CEO of Vivimu.com for joining us today in the zone until tomorrow. God bless you. And Godspeed.

01:01:17.340 A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going and he's smart and he's strong and people

01:01:25.340 love him. Not everybody, but people love him and respect him. Roger Stone. Where's Roger Stone?

01:01:38.860 Come on at us.

01:01:47.420 Come on at us.

The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - November 04, 2024

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