The Tucker Carlson Show - Aaron Rodgers： Epstein’s Death, Psychedelics, Fake Vax Cards in the NFL, and Pat Tillman

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00:00:58.440 Here's the episode.

00:00:59.100 We've never done anything in here before.

00:01:02.020 This is actually our dining room table, as you know.

00:01:05.120 You had dinner here last night.

00:01:06.980 Yeah.

00:01:09.200 You cleared a bunch of stuff out though, right?

00:01:11.020 We just moved the chairs out, but we actually, I mean, this is our family dining room, so, and I just thought, I don't want to be in a studio anymore.

00:01:21.260 Yeah.

00:01:22.420 Studio is right there.

00:01:24.300 Studio is right there.

00:01:25.280 It's like tiny, and there's something, I've been in it my whole life.

00:01:29.600 All right, let me just, I just got to ask you about this.

00:01:31.580 This is like, thank you for dinner last night, by the way.

00:01:33.640 Thank you.

00:01:34.140 That was amazing.

00:01:34.920 That was really special.

00:01:36.120 I don't know how you, how you got home.

00:01:38.180 It was like, that was pretty cool.

00:01:39.480 I had a right, Lexi got me right.

00:01:40.860 Oh, you're wandering around in a t-shirt in the freezing cold.

00:01:44.520 Okay.

00:01:45.100 This is just, I just, okay.

00:01:47.200 So I asked him to pull a bunch of news stories.

00:01:50.120 I've been a little bit out of it.

00:01:51.780 This is from the Guardian.

00:01:53.340 Scientists have created a vaccine that has the potential to protect against a broad range of coronaviruses, including varieties not yet known about.

00:02:00.680 The experimental shot, which has been tested in mice.

00:02:04.940 So, so it's a vaccine that doesn't protect you against anything specific, but just against kind of like everything that might happen to you.

00:02:15.560 Supposedly, yeah.

00:02:16.120 So what, just leaving the science aside, but as a pure kind of like marketing question, if you're, and I'm going to see who, who makes this.

00:02:26.360 I guess they're all the same, but some company makes this.

00:02:29.480 If you're the company making this, do you really think people are going to be up at this point for a vaccine that just has no real purpose, but just like kind of for the sake of a vaccine?

00:02:39.900 Today?

00:02:40.820 Yeah, today.

00:02:41.420 No, I don't think so.

00:02:42.960 Do you think a single person will buy that?

00:02:44.540 Yeah, for sure.

00:02:45.380 There'll be some people.

00:02:46.120 There's just so much fear still.

00:02:47.780 I mean, people, yeah, people are scared still.

00:02:50.840 I think there's a swath of the population.

00:02:52.840 There's still people driving around in masks.

00:02:54.580 Yeah.

00:02:54.980 No, that's true.

00:02:55.900 And I'm, I try not to be judgmental because I think, of course, I'm very judgmental.

00:03:00.700 I think they're mentally ill, but then I feel, you know, I've known a lot of, had friends, family members are mentally ill.

00:03:06.800 So I, I try to think, you know, I should feel compassion for them.

00:03:10.120 I have a lot more compassion for them, actually.

00:03:13.300 Yeah.

00:03:13.500 And, and, and empathy.

00:03:14.540 And I've been strong against the VAX, against mandates, against lockdowns, against all of it.

00:03:22.420 I think the last few months I've been looking at things a little bit differently.

00:03:25.220 And I think it's time for a lot of us to, to maybe adjust some of the approach that we're doing.

00:03:33.240 I mean, it obviously hasn't worked.

00:03:35.100 We've been trying to wake people up, I think.

00:03:36.640 Yeah.

00:03:37.100 With the studies that are out there now.

00:03:39.460 Exactly.

00:03:39.980 With the science.

00:03:40.420 All the time.

00:03:41.540 With the articles, with the change in stances by everybody from Chris Cuomo on down who have, you know, either had vaccine injuries or side effects or just look at things differently.

00:03:55.100 And it's caused me to, I think, have a little bit more empathy and compassion for those people who had a ton of fear, you know, thought they were doing the right thing.

00:04:02.640 Yes.

00:04:02.900 For themselves, for their friends, for their families, and went through all the mass formation psychosis that we all did.

00:04:09.540 Yes, that's right.

00:04:10.340 It's just full court propaganda against us and are now going, oh, shit, maybe, maybe that wasn't the best.

00:04:17.460 Maybe they lied to us.

00:04:18.880 Maybe, maybe they weren't being truthful.

00:04:20.440 Maybe this wasn't safe, even though they said from the beginning, 100% safe and effective.

00:04:24.260 Everybody from Biden to the head of the FDA and CDC on down, WHO.

00:04:28.520 So I think it's important for us to, if we want to make a difference, which I do, and I don't necessarily want to be way a part of the conversation anymore, is how do we call people forward to, like, with compassion and kindness that just come over to the side of being awake to what's going on?

00:04:50.940 Because I think we all need to come to the grips that this could happen again.

00:04:54.740 Well, I think people are, you know, most people took the vax, obviously, and what would that feel like if you had that in your body?

00:05:04.200 I mean, it's like the horror movie.

00:05:05.300 It's coming from inside the house.

00:05:06.880 Yeah.

00:05:07.080 I mean, if you had taken the vax, how would you feel right now?

00:05:10.660 You'd be worried.

00:05:11.860 I would be worried for sure.

00:05:13.100 And then if I was so staunchly for it, and now I'm realizing, oh, I might have endangered myself, my loved ones, my kids, if you force it upon kids.

00:05:25.820 Yes.

00:05:26.220 Like they did.

00:05:27.000 And the powers that be pushed it towards all different ages.

00:05:33.840 The studies just came out about the pregnant women, where 44% of the women in the study had miscarriages who were given the vaccine.

00:05:41.440 You know, like, it's like there's a lot of crazy research that's out right now that would make people feel a lot of shame, I think, and guilt.

00:05:47.900 And I grew up kind of in that culture.

00:05:50.000 Yes.

00:05:50.260 In a different way of where.

00:05:51.420 So now you're on it.

00:05:52.480 It's shame and guilt.

00:05:53.320 Yeah.

00:05:53.460 That was a part of everyday life was those two feelings, and that's a tough way to live.

00:05:58.440 So how do we call these people forward to, like, in love and acceptance, not forgetting what happened, how we were treated, how we were canceled, how we, I mean, everybody from yourself to me, the Joe, the mutual friends that we have.

00:06:11.760 But, like, calling people forward to, like, step into the truth and that there isn't shame and guilt on this side.

00:06:21.740 Which I think our side, you know, justifiably at times, because of the way we were treated, feels like we need to kind of get some get back.

00:06:29.280 I totally agree with you.

00:06:30.340 But at some point, I was talking with Joe about this, kind of off camera at Rogan, but, like, how do we kind of bring everybody back on the same side?

00:06:37.200 Because this has been very divisive, and everything in our culture now is so divisive.

00:06:40.460 Yes.

00:06:40.740 But how do we get people more aligned on the same page?

00:06:44.840 And I think it's only with love and compassion and forgiveness, and, you know, I admit, I've been very combative about this, because I was attacked personally.

00:06:52.480 Yes.

00:06:52.660 A lot of times when you're attacked, you want to just fucking fight back.

00:06:55.520 I have been too.

00:06:56.340 I agree.

00:06:56.660 Of course.

00:06:57.340 But it hasn't really accomplished what I wanted to accomplish.

00:07:00.040 Like, in my mind, my ego is like, well, I'm going to be able to convince these people that they were wrong.

00:07:04.560 And, you know, and you throw the science back at them, and you think, somehow, that's going to matter?

00:07:10.420 Yeah.

00:07:10.540 Like, the people who talk about science all day actually care about science?

00:07:12.800 Not at all.

00:07:13.340 Of course.

00:07:13.760 It has no effect.

00:07:15.600 How, I mean, how has it been for you, you know, because you were one of the first to talk about it all the time on Fox.

00:07:22.240 And actually, that's what made me tune in every night, was like, what's Doug going to say to me?

00:07:28.280 Yeah, they didn't want me to do that.

00:07:30.120 But, like, there was obviously some cancelization, some shaming, some, you know, I'm sure that may not have been why they let you go.

00:07:37.700 But it wasn't, there was a lot of people who weren't.

00:07:39.980 It was a sign of disobedience.

00:07:41.340 And, by the way, I didn't want to be disobedient, actually.

00:07:44.200 I didn't want to fight about the facts at all.

00:07:46.240 I never.

00:07:47.260 But you had all the people that end up going on Rogan.

00:07:50.640 You had Robert Malone on there.

00:07:52.840 You had Andrew Kirsch.

00:07:53.880 You had Pierre Corey.

00:07:54.980 You had Peter McCullough.

00:07:57.400 Right?

00:07:57.620 I mean, all these people in the beginning.

00:07:58.880 Yeah, right away, because I just had a different understanding.

00:08:01.420 And the doctor from Stanford as well.

00:08:02.820 Of course.

00:08:03.320 Yeah.

00:08:03.620 I had a different understanding of science, which was that it's not a set of facts.

00:08:08.660 It's a process.

00:08:09.640 It's a way of thinking.

00:08:10.840 Yeah.

00:08:11.720 And it needs to be questioned.

00:08:13.680 That's the whole point of science.

00:08:14.780 Otherwise, it's propaganda.

00:08:15.900 It's an unending series of questions.

00:08:18.280 We think we know this.

00:08:19.200 How do we know?

00:08:19.800 It's not so different from what journalism used to be, which is like a process of, it's

00:08:25.540 a process.

00:08:26.020 It's a way of thinking.

00:08:26.720 It's skepticism, polite, reasonable skepticism.

00:08:29.720 It's rooted in reason, though, in the belief that we can get to the truth or closer to the

00:08:34.300 truth using logic.

00:08:36.060 And that was just abandoned immediately.

00:08:38.860 That was the tell for me.

00:08:39.680 I know nothing about vaccines.

00:08:40.740 I still don't really know much about vaccines, but I know a lot about people.

00:08:44.180 And I saw people saying things like, just shut up and do it because it's science.

00:08:47.280 And then I thought, well, that's the opposite of science.

00:08:49.320 Yeah.

00:08:49.500 And I also got a very sinister vibe right away, just on my gut level.

00:08:55.140 I was like, I don't know what this is.

00:08:56.580 I'm not doing that.

00:08:57.640 And neither's my family.

00:08:58.740 But the weird thing is, that's why I so appreciate what you just said, is I don't really know

00:09:02.920 that many people who got vaxxed.

00:09:04.900 I don't live in a vaxxed world at all.

00:09:07.880 My kind of people, given where I live and the people I like and how I spend my free time,

00:09:12.660 they're not people who got the vaxxed.

00:09:14.060 So I don't spend really any time with people who would defend that.

00:09:18.480 And I think I need to think much more about it and realize all of us live in our own

00:09:24.300 tiny little worlds.

00:09:25.200 And we think we're mainstream, but we're not.

00:09:27.760 And through the algorithm, we're in an echo chamber, whether we want to be or not.

00:09:31.540 That's exactly right.

00:09:32.120 Because that's what we're seeing.

00:09:33.800 No, it's totally right.

00:09:35.200 Someone said to me the other day, maybe it was you, do you know anyone who didn't get

00:09:39.560 the vax who's upset he didn't get the vax?

00:09:41.620 Yeah.

00:09:42.320 Does anyone regret that decision?

00:09:43.960 No.

00:09:44.540 No.

00:09:45.120 Right.

00:09:45.420 Not one person ever.

00:09:46.380 But people who did get the vax really, which is why I love what you said, I think they

00:09:51.000 do regret it.

00:09:53.040 Yeah.

00:09:53.140 And I think that when you're doing something wrong, you're very defensive about it.

00:09:56.740 I used to smoke cigarettes and they tried to make me feel shame for smoking cigarettes.

00:10:00.880 And I would always like smoke a cigarette in public.

00:10:02.860 Like, yeah, I'm smoking a cigarette.

00:10:03.960 Yeah.

00:10:04.160 Because I sort of knew you shouldn't smoke cigarettes.

00:10:06.200 It's not good for you.

00:10:07.040 But I got my hackles up and I was more aggressive.

00:10:11.300 Would you like a cigarette?

00:10:12.080 Would your child like a cigarette?

00:10:13.280 I mean, I sort of wound up being that way, you know what I mean?

00:10:17.340 Because I knew what I was doing was wrong.

00:10:19.940 Yeah.

00:10:20.500 And don't you feel like that's part of what's going on here?

00:10:23.420 I think there's a big spot that's like that.

00:10:25.440 There's the other spot that goes, I did this because you told me to do this and this was

00:10:30.760 mandated.

00:10:31.540 Yes.

00:10:31.680 And now you're walking back all those things you said to me back then.

00:10:35.020 Now there's some anger.

00:10:35.860 So there's the whole population that's like, I'm going to keep doing this and I'm going

00:10:39.360 to wear my mask in public and I'm going to get another booster in your fucking face.

00:10:43.480 Right?

00:10:43.580 Yes.

00:10:43.900 And then there's the other group that's like, I know I did this to keep my job, to like

00:10:48.620 keep from being canceled, to keep you off my back.

00:10:51.520 And now you're going to walk back and say, you didn't say it was safe and effective and

00:10:54.680 you didn't say I wouldn't get or I wouldn't acquire or transmit COVID.

00:10:59.340 Like, what do you mean?

00:11:00.580 Now you're changing history.

00:11:01.740 That's the only reason I got it.

00:11:03.120 You said this is the only way to be safe and there was no side effects.

00:11:06.600 And that was all, that's not bullshit.

00:11:07.840 That was all stuff that was said.

00:11:08.960 And there's videos out there you can check out.

00:11:11.060 So there's, there's that side of the population that's like, hold up, hold the fuck on.

00:11:14.420 Like you said all this stuff.

00:11:16.180 Now you're walking this back.

00:11:17.240 That's how I feel, you know?

00:11:18.280 And then there's the other set that doesn't want to engage at all that did it and now has

00:11:22.680 a lot of fear around it, a lot of shame around it.

00:11:26.260 And so I think two of those three groups of people, we can kind of like bring in, you know,

00:11:31.440 there's compassion and kindness.

00:11:32.900 There's compassion and kindness for the person that's still wearing a mask too.

00:11:35.760 A hundred, but especially that person.

00:11:37.580 And I can't relate to that type of fear, but I understand what it's like to be scared

00:11:41.740 of things.

00:11:42.180 And, and just the fear to, to feel like you still have to do that.

00:11:45.280 Like that's a really shitty place to live.

00:11:47.100 So like showing compassion and kindness and it's easy to make fun of those type of people

00:11:50.880 when you're on the way other side.

00:11:52.240 But like, what does that actually accomplish?

00:11:53.860 If we want to come together more and look, I'm guilty of it at times for sure.

00:11:58.340 But like, I'm tired of that.

00:11:59.960 I don't want to be a part of that anymore.

00:12:01.160 I want to, I want to be a part of bringing people together.

00:12:02.840 I so strongly agree with that.

00:12:04.820 When was the last time you saw a national leader try and calm people down about anything

00:12:08.360 ever?

00:12:10.740 No.

00:12:11.280 Yeah.

00:12:12.260 I would love it if somebody in elected office or with a lot of influence nationally were

00:12:18.680 to stand up and say, let's start with what we know.

00:12:20.340 We're all going to die.

00:12:21.420 Probably terrified and alone.

00:12:22.680 So that, that we know we're going there.

00:12:25.020 So in light of that, why are we afraid of anything actually?

00:12:28.580 Given that our fates are all sealed.

00:12:30.980 Like, doesn't that liberate us?

00:12:32.880 I think so.

00:12:33.660 And I think that's a great place to be.

00:12:36.020 You know, like when you step into this, you personally, when I'm talking about you, when

00:12:39.680 you stepped into this, this realm, you know, you were a number one anchor at the number

00:12:45.640 one show nightly and the stuff that you were taking on and then the way that you were ousted

00:12:50.600 there and then you go to X and you're the fucking, you know, the interviews you're doing,

00:12:55.020 the numbers you're going, then you go and interview Putin.

00:12:57.640 And like, you're putting yourself in harm's way.

00:13:00.520 You know, like, and, and, and I commend you just like I commend Bobby Kennedy because

00:13:05.380 there's, there's, Bobby said recently, there's a lot worse things than dying.

00:13:09.160 That's for sure.

00:13:10.000 And I commend you as I commend Bobby.

00:13:11.760 Like there's something to standing up for what you believe in and, and, and doing your

00:13:15.520 job.

00:13:15.760 You're doing old school.

00:13:16.820 I hate to say it, but old school journalism where you're just talking to people.

00:13:20.140 Well, I am old.

00:13:20.400 And unfortunately, like, but, but when you go into that, that it's just a piggyback of

00:13:27.800 what you just said, like, I don't know this person personally, but I know that you must

00:13:32.140 have a relationship with death where you realize that it's inevitable and, you know, I'd rather

00:13:38.740 like live the way I want to live, stand for what I believe in, than like live in the fear

00:13:42.900 that something could happen to me.

00:13:44.800 Oh, I'd rather be a free man in my grave.

00:13:47.700 And so of course, yeah.

00:13:50.120 And by the way, I have the massive advantage of having grown children.

00:13:53.320 So when you have little kids at home and I, I haven't had a very adventurous or dangerous

00:14:00.640 life, but a couple of times, one time in particular, I was pretty sure I was going to die and had

00:14:03.760 little kids at home and I was in a plane crash.

00:14:07.120 And I remember as it was going down, I was like, Oh my gosh, you know, they're not going to

00:14:10.160 thrive if I die.

00:14:11.060 I mean, that really terrified me and, but now that they're grown, it's like, I am going

00:14:16.460 to die.

00:14:17.080 Yeah.

00:14:17.360 So with this, we know, and I meditate on that a lot.

00:14:21.320 I don't think it's morbid.

00:14:22.960 I think it's liberating.

00:14:25.560 And so then you realize like, what, what are you going to do to me?

00:14:29.300 You know, there's, I'm not afraid at all.

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00:16:04.960 So, I...

00:16:06.380 The people who got the vaccine don't want to talk about it because they feel shame.

00:16:13.680 I get it.

00:16:14.220 The people who went along with it because they really believed it and now are starting to

00:16:19.520 realize, oh gosh, I was misled, but I can't admit that because it makes me look like an

00:16:24.820 asshole, weak, like a follower.

00:16:27.400 I understand that too.

00:16:30.020 The people who called for the death of the unvaccinated, that's kind of the category that's

00:16:36.500 harder for me to...

00:16:37.320 People like Jimmy Kimmel, for example, who famously said...

00:16:41.160 And Sean Penn as well.

00:16:42.040 And Sean Penn as well.

00:16:43.020 Yeah.

00:16:43.160 Who I know actually and sort of like.

00:16:44.860 But what...

00:16:46.400 I like him less after hearing that.

00:16:48.660 How do you treat people like that who wanted you to die?

00:16:51.940 Dr. Fauci said that if hospitals get any more overcrowded, they're going to have to make

00:16:55.540 some very tough choices about who gets an ICU bed.

00:16:58.960 That choice doesn't seem so tough to me.

00:17:01.220 Vaccinated person having a heart attack?

00:17:02.840 Yes, come right on in.

00:17:03.760 We'll take care of you.

00:17:05.180 Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo?

00:17:07.880 Rest in peace, Wheezy.

00:17:09.320 You're...

00:17:10.200 I think you've framed that in the right place.

00:17:13.300 Like, there's...

00:17:14.740 You know, there's a great mashup that Rogan talked about a few times where there's all

00:17:20.560 these different shows and it said, brought to you by Pfizer.

00:17:24.300 Anderson Cooper, brought to you by Pfizer.

00:17:26.800 It's an amazing...

00:17:27.480 I think you have to realize that there's...

00:17:29.100 It's all about the money.

00:17:30.420 And as you get into this, you read Bobby's book about the real Anthony Fauci, you realize

00:17:34.420 if you want to know what's really going on, not just in big pharma, but in government,

00:17:38.800 is follow the money.

00:17:40.460 And even in the NFL, I mean, there was a strong push.

00:17:43.700 They sent stooges out to every team to try and enforce a vaccination level above 90% of

00:17:49.840 every team with zero exemption, with zero informed consent.

00:17:55.120 Just get this so that we look good.

00:17:57.060 Because big pharma ad spend is humongous, not just on the late night shows.

00:18:02.700 It's obviously influences Hollywood, the NFL.

00:18:06.420 So you have to understand who is actually...

00:18:08.620 But I was talking to a Navy SEAL friend of mine the other day who just got out of the

00:18:12.520 Navy.

00:18:13.580 And like professional athletes, I mean, these are the last people who needed the VAX.

00:18:17.440 And so there was this intense push to make them all get the VAX.

00:18:20.720 He left the Navy over it.

00:18:22.520 But he said most of his friends on the SEAL team he was on did not get the VAX.

00:18:27.560 They got fake VAX cards because they knew they're very in touch with their physical health.

00:18:31.300 They're SEALs.

00:18:32.080 They're not so different from an NFL player.

00:18:34.600 How many NFL players actually got the VAX?

00:18:37.300 Do you have any idea?

00:18:38.000 I don't have any idea.

00:18:38.840 I know that I'm sure that there was plenty who got fake cards.

00:18:42.880 I feel like, you know, there's...

00:18:45.840 I think there's a base level of hesitancy around just the big pharma medicine in general

00:18:55.020 when you're black.

00:18:57.040 Well, I was about to say it's like 70% black.

00:18:59.000 To their great credit, a lot of black guys are like, no way.

00:19:01.560 Yeah.

00:19:01.900 And based on the history, I think it's warranted.

00:19:04.020 Totally fair.

00:19:04.620 If you don't know any of the history about some of the human experiments that went on

00:19:08.360 and ridiculous things in some of those communities, if you know about what's gone on in foreign

00:19:13.840 countries as well with some of these vaccines, predominantly places like Africa, where people

00:19:21.480 have been maimed and killed and paralyzed by these vaccines, many of which are not actually

00:19:26.780 approved anymore in the States, get sent over to Africa.

00:19:30.780 Again, that's a reference to something that Bobby talked about in this book about Fauci.

00:19:34.620 Um, there's a lot of, uh, interesting chapters around that.

00:19:37.860 So on a base level, there was a lot of hesitancy, like, I don't think this is, I'm going to

00:19:42.260 do this.

00:19:43.120 But in the NFL, it was like, if you're working for a team, there was no choice.

00:19:48.380 It was, it was get faxed.

00:19:49.980 If you're a player, there was a choice.

00:19:52.000 But if you chose not to get it, then you had a whole different set of rules.

00:19:55.200 You had to wear a different colored armband.

00:19:56.920 You had to, you couldn't, uh, go to a restaurant.

00:19:59.700 You couldn't, uh, spend time at somebody's house and when three people were there, uh,

00:20:04.500 you couldn't go anywhere on the road.

00:20:06.140 You, uh, you know, had to test every single morning and not enter the building until you

00:20:10.720 got a negative back.

00:20:12.460 Uh, that all went away once the, uh, once the playoffs happened.

00:20:16.320 Cause of course they didn't want to ruin the money at that point and all the testing went

00:20:19.700 away.

00:20:19.940 Oh, there was a playoff exemption for the disease.

00:20:22.760 Yeah.

00:20:24.460 No, I can just, I got to ask if they're making you wear a colored piece of clothing.

00:20:30.380 Yeah.

00:20:30.940 Okay.

00:20:31.280 Since all of us grew up in the United States where world war two is the kind of only historical

00:20:36.220 event we learn about forcing a small despised minority to identify itself with the yellow

00:20:42.020 piece of clothing.

00:20:43.040 It seems kind of resonant.

00:20:44.720 Did anyone at the NFL say maybe not a good idea to, to force people to wear yellow armbands

00:20:49.900 if they weren't vaxxed?

00:20:51.100 I don't think they cared.

00:20:52.660 I don't think they cared.

00:20:53.820 I think they just wanted to hit, hit their numbers.

00:20:56.060 So we look like Nazis, but we don't care.

00:20:58.180 Yeah.

00:20:58.480 I mean, I, I, when the stooge came and talked to us, I asked a lot of questions about like,

00:21:04.060 uh, informed consent, about testing, about, uh, um, liability.

00:21:09.320 And he basically didn't answer any of my questions that the president of the team ended the meeting.

00:21:14.940 Uh, and I tell you a ton of people from every level of the building came up afterwards and

00:21:19.040 thanked me for asking the questions because many of them had no, no, no choice.

00:21:22.960 Just get vaxxed or lose your job.

00:21:24.480 And there are certain coaches around the league who quit because they don't want to get vaxxed.

00:21:28.320 I'm sure there may have been, uh, you know, fake cards that, uh, they went around.

00:21:32.180 I hope so.

00:21:32.780 Um, and there were, you know, we also know there was many batches that were super toxic

00:21:38.100 and deadly and many batches that were perhaps saline and, uh, uh, and didn't, uh, didn't

00:21:44.340 cause any adverse effects.

00:21:45.780 But the interesting thing about around vaccines.

00:21:47.940 Can I ask you to pause?

00:21:48.600 So do you think that the drug makers knew that they were giving out saline vaccines?

00:21:54.740 Oh, I don't know.

00:21:55.260 I mean, that's a pure conjecture.

00:21:56.820 I think there's, I have read things about, um, the amount of, uh, amount of vaccines

00:22:03.400 that went out and wouldn't have been possible to, uh, produce that, uh, to that level.

00:22:08.040 So there may have been some knowledge, um, around that, but again, that's just conjecture

00:22:12.220 and I don't have any specific evidence on that.

00:22:14.680 I'm not an expert at that, but I am an expert at my body and what goes in it and, and, uh,

00:22:20.020 how I feel about, about that.

00:22:21.480 But, um, yeah, you know, uh, the whole thing has been, uh, a real, uh, interesting thought

00:22:28.660 experiment, uh, in action around like what people are willing to put up with, how you

00:22:33.500 can control through fear, uh, and how obedient someone will be.

00:22:38.380 Uh, cause remember what was going on, all the networks, you had the live death tolls that

00:22:44.240 were ticking up as you watched the TV.

00:22:46.220 You had the live case numbers, you had, um, just the fear mongering and then anybody that

00:22:53.480 stood up to it was canceled.

00:22:54.940 I mean, all the Twitter files that got released when Elon took over that show the collusion

00:22:58.480 between the alphabet, uh, companies that, uh, uh, you know, control a lot of stuff and

00:23:04.240 the old, you know, people with X, what was going on at Facebook and the censorship and all

00:23:09.660 these true experts in it, you know, the Robert Rhodes, the Peter McCullough, the Peter

00:23:13.720 Quarries, all these different people who stood up, the Alex Berenson who, who, you know,

00:23:17.580 said, tried to try to just get the message out.

00:23:20.440 We're silenced and censored.

00:23:21.940 I think a person with any level of common sense would, uh, even if they got the backs

00:23:26.820 would go, that's kind of weird.

00:23:28.080 Why are we silencing all dissenting opinions?

00:23:30.440 When in the history of the world have the, have sent as a censorship ever been, uh, been

00:23:34.920 been done by the good guys.

00:23:36.900 You know, the good guys are the ones doing the censorship.

00:23:38.940 That actually doesn't happen.

00:23:39.960 What are you scared of?

00:23:40.640 You're scared of people being able to make up their own mind.

00:23:43.100 Yeah.

00:23:43.720 And, you know, you, you see it on, uh, Bobby just released the video, 30 minute video,

00:23:49.180 uh, about it, about who he is that got censored by Facebook, which is just wild.

00:23:54.300 I mean, they're censoring the election stuff, which we know has gone on.

00:23:57.580 A presidential campaign.

00:23:57.900 Would you, you know, the, um, Cambridge Analytica, if you've watched that documentary about what

00:24:01.840 happened, um, it is just pretty wild that the, the world that we live in where there's

00:24:06.260 a, uh, you know, for the idea of even free speech and what is it is called into a question

00:24:12.380 all the time.

00:24:12.880 I just read, um, an interesting book that was written a few years ago called the coddling

00:24:16.400 of the American mind.

00:24:17.300 Um, and it basically is talking about what's going on at college campuses, which we're seeing

00:24:21.080 now all this, you know, this, uh, outrage and different things that started post 2016

00:24:26.300 when Trump got elected, when campuses felt like they needed to create safe spaces because

00:24:31.020 speech is violent, you know, the certain types of rhetoric is actually violent.

00:24:37.040 So we're, uh, vilifying the, uh, uh, opinions now and we're canceling people based on what

00:24:42.960 they believe.

00:24:43.380 And that's a slippery slope to go down.

00:24:45.440 Whether you cancel somebody who's, um, you know, a super racist or, or, or, or, uh, you

00:24:52.500 know, against the opinion that you believe in, like none of that actually works.

00:24:56.500 Ignoring the shit you don't want to listen to and, or be a part of is one thing, but like

00:25:01.060 picking and choosing what to censor is a very slippery slope.

00:25:03.940 And you being in the media, you know how important it is to, to get people on all different sides.

00:25:08.920 Well, you can't have democracy if people can't say what they think.

00:25:13.560 But, but democracy in general, I mean, this country is founded as a constitutional republic.

00:25:16.900 Yes.

00:25:17.300 Which empowers the civil liberties.

00:25:19.300 You know, democracy is always.

00:25:20.300 Well, you can't have self-government unless people are not slaves, unless they're free.

00:25:24.860 But you know, so, I mean, democracy always falls into, into fascism and, and tyranny and

00:25:30.860 ultimately dictatorship.

00:25:33.040 Unfortunately, I'm aware of that.

00:25:35.440 And that's where we're at now.

00:25:36.760 Why do you, oh, I'm aware.

00:25:38.320 Why do you think that is?

00:25:39.460 Why do you think, and a lot of 19th century sort of free-minded people in Europe looked

00:25:47.120 over at what was happening in the newly minted United States and said, that's going to become

00:25:52.300 a dictatorship ultimately.

00:25:53.780 Why do you think that happens?

00:25:54.760 I think, I think there's a lot of reasons.

00:25:59.680 I think entitlement is, is a big part of our society that has, has been, you know, a cancer

00:26:06.820 for us because people believe that their opinion is more important than somebody else's opinion.

00:26:11.640 You know, it was, it was, it was, it was weaponized against people who chose not to get the vaccine.

00:26:18.060 People would say, your freedom isn't more important than my fucking right to live.

00:26:21.780 And, and, and, uh, but I, I think that, um, I think ultimately, uh, it creates, um, it creates

00:26:34.720 too many voices that, uh, that are all about division.

00:26:39.720 So there's, you know, a true democracy where every vote matters means that all of us are

00:26:46.200 important to the whole.

00:26:47.160 But when democracy spirals out of control and entitlement, uh, is, is the common thread

00:26:53.120 through it, then nobody believes that your opinion matters as much as their opinion.

00:26:56.720 And it goes into, uh, a straight egotistical, um, narcissistic view, which ultimately leads

00:27:05.020 to some sort of fascism, some sort of, uh, tyrannical stuff.

00:27:10.060 And, and when it's weaponized by the people in control who control the messaging and the

00:27:15.160 media, control the food supply, control the water supply, you're, you're fighting a losing

00:27:21.620 battle.

00:27:22.720 It does feel that way.

00:27:24.200 And it, it feels like, you know, both of us grew up in a country that was outwardly focused

00:27:30.260 on it.

00:27:30.680 Its enemies were outside its borders, right?

00:27:33.020 I mean, I grew up during the cold war and army was the Soviet union, you know, or China,

00:27:37.420 you know, pick a country we were at odds with.

00:27:39.260 It does seem like all the energy, um, that the federal government musters against its

00:27:44.540 enemies is being mustered against American citizens.

00:27:46.880 Like we're the enemy.

00:27:47.860 That's the way it feels to me.

00:27:49.540 Yeah.

00:27:50.000 I was, I was at the Kentucky Derby this last weekend and they were swearing in some new,

00:27:54.120 uh, recruits to, uh, I think join the army.

00:27:56.780 And so, uh, they had them repeat, uh, repeat after the, you know, sergeant or whatever was,

00:28:02.520 who was swearing them in.

00:28:03.520 Um, and I just was stuck with that one line that, uh, protect, uh, against, uh, all enemies

00:28:09.920 foreign and domestic.

00:28:11.380 Yes.

00:28:12.400 I was like, and I said kind of domestic out loud because I was like, are we forgetting

00:28:17.300 that one?

00:28:17.780 Because there's a lot of domestic people in this country who actually don't love America,

00:28:23.180 who actually don't, um, don't want to see us thrive.

00:28:26.860 I'm super patriotic.

00:28:28.000 I think it's because my grandpa fought in the second world war, was a prisoner of war and

00:28:32.760 believed in freedom and fought for it and lost many friends using the air force who

00:28:37.360 were at, uh, Pearl Harbor and, you know, was flew many bombing, uh, bombing missions

00:28:43.960 over, um, you know, to try and liberate, um, the French and Polish people there, uh, over

00:28:51.380 in Europe and, and, uh, almost lost his life for it and lost a lot of friends and believed

00:28:55.660 in this country and the, and the freedoms, uh, that he was willing to fight and die for.

00:29:00.120 And so that's what I grew up in, you know, and I love this country and I want to see

00:29:03.260 it thrive.

00:29:03.680 And I think there's a lot of people that don't give a shit about it.

00:29:05.840 And if you look at some of the policies, how does it make any sense to have, you know,

00:29:10.180 open borders, to have non-secure elections, to have, um, you know, the lobbying that we

00:29:16.180 have in Washington where, uh, you know, the pharmaceutical companies, the big ag, the big

00:29:21.480 everything, uh, controls the policy of the policymakers.

00:29:25.260 You have people in Congress and in the Senate who, uh, you know, who, uh, go right from,

00:29:30.940 you know, their, their duties to these huge, you know, huge profitable jobs or speaking

00:29:37.140 engagements and pick a, pick a, you know, uh, a swath of the economy, whether it's banking

00:29:43.180 or ag or military defense or whatever it is.

00:29:45.560 And everybody's in everybody's pocket.

00:29:47.300 And then you create these bills that have 40 different things in it.

00:29:50.900 And we're spending billions of dollars, Ukraine and billions of dollars to Israel and billions

00:29:54.320 of dollars to these college campuses.

00:29:56.740 Um, there's just a lot of issues right now that, that, uh, seem really un-American.

00:30:00.680 And I think there's a lot of red blooded Americans.

00:30:02.500 People are like, how can, you know, how can Trump have such support?

00:30:05.260 Well, people are fed up with it.

00:30:06.620 And he speaks the rhetoric of like taken back, you know, making America great again and stuff.

00:30:12.000 My thing is he had four years to do it and didn't drain the swamp and whether he just

00:30:15.800 got scared because of what he learned when he was in there, I think it's very plausible.

00:30:19.300 Um, but that's why I was interested when Bobby came to me and said, would you think about

00:30:24.980 being my running mate?

00:30:26.600 And I said, are you serious?

00:30:29.300 I said, I'm a fucking football player, but I love this country and I'd love to be a part

00:30:35.520 of, uh, you know, bringing it back to what she used to be.

00:30:39.080 There's a great, uh, did you think about it?

00:30:41.180 Oh yeah, I thought about it.

00:30:42.160 I definitely thought about it because I love Bobby and I just wanted to hear what he had

00:30:44.920 to say about it.

00:30:45.500 And there's a great, uh, opening scene of one of my favorite shows called newsroom.

00:30:49.380 Do you ever see the opening scene with Jeff Daniels?

00:30:51.200 Jeff Daniels is a, he's an anchor, uh, for a news station and there's a, and there's a

00:30:56.880 panel.

00:30:57.420 Yeah.

00:30:57.840 Great person.

00:30:59.200 And he gets asked this question.

00:31:00.520 Uh, you know, why is America so star spangled?

00:31:03.720 Great.

00:31:03.960 You know, what makes America so great?

00:31:05.240 Somebody says like a democracy and somebody says like freedom.

00:31:07.860 And he's like, uh, you know, he doesn't want to answer the question.

00:31:11.080 He says, you know, the preamble of the constitution is the greatest piece of, you know, written

00:31:14.600 material ever, something like that.

00:31:16.780 And then he goes, no, I'm not gonna let you off like that.

00:31:18.720 You know, you gotta give me an answer.

00:31:19.680 And he goes into this like three minute, uh, monologue about how America is not the greatest

00:31:23.040 country anymore.

00:31:24.040 He talks about the literacy rates and math rates and reading rates.

00:31:27.460 And, uh, you know, the, uh, we spend more than the next 25 on the, you know, on, uh,

00:31:33.200 defense spending.

00:31:33.860 And, uh, but at the end he said, but we, America is not the greatest country anymore, but

00:31:38.920 it could be.

00:31:39.360 And he talks about what it used to be.

00:31:40.680 And we used to dream big dreams and, and, uh, build incredible, you know, uh, uh, buildings

00:31:46.700 and great technology and different things.

00:31:48.240 It's like, it's super patriotic.

00:31:49.480 Like, and that starts the whole show out where he gets kind of canceled for this, or he gets

00:31:53.560 put on display.

00:31:54.300 Like, Oh my God, like this guy is willing to like tackle some of the big, the big issues

00:31:59.020 in this country and like keep it real.

00:32:00.780 And I think that's what that, that, that resonated with me.

00:32:03.380 Cause I'm like, yes, like what used to make America great?

00:32:06.800 Like, how can we get back to that?

00:32:08.420 And that's why I love people who want to stand up for what they believe in like yourself.

00:32:11.340 And, and the stuff you would talk about, uh, on your show was, was, uh, yeah, but that's

00:32:16.060 my job.

00:32:16.920 I'm not, but nobody else is doing that though.

00:32:18.800 You know, they're, they're cow, they're cow, they're cow town to, well, yeah, I get it.

00:32:23.020 But we're a country of cowards now.

00:32:26.400 People are not willing to stand up for, or stand up to the people that are in charge.

00:32:32.620 Well, I know them and I have such contempt for them.

00:32:35.820 I mean, they're not even good at fascism.

00:32:37.800 That's, that's, I guess my final analysis.

00:32:40.660 They're not even good at this.

00:32:41.540 What was it for you?

00:32:42.420 Were you just like, fuck it?

00:32:43.880 Like, I'm going to say what I want to say.

00:32:45.600 Were you always like that?

00:32:46.720 Or was there something that broke?

00:32:47.740 But it had to be something where you like, okay, cause you talked about JFK, you know,

00:32:52.880 and, and the, and the CIA being a part of his death.

00:32:55.260 Well, I didn't re, we were talking about this last night at dinner, which was so interesting.

00:32:58.560 I mean, you're a professional athlete.

00:32:59.740 This is not your day job.

00:33:01.700 No.

00:33:02.120 It is my day job.

00:33:03.340 I've lived in Washington for 35 years and I didn't really quite, I mean, I had lots of

00:33:08.600 opinions, all kinds of opinions, but they were sort of aligned with the political party

00:33:12.800 and I didn't ever question any of the basic, um, assumptions that I had, you know, people

00:33:20.020 would say, oh, Roosevelt knew that the Japanese were going to attack Oahu in December of 1941.

00:33:24.940 I was like, you must be crazy.

00:33:26.280 Well, it turns out that's true.

00:33:28.040 Yeah.

00:33:28.240 It was a Senate inquiry into it during the war that suggested that strongly because it's

00:33:32.280 real that and a lot of other things, but it took me a long time to even ask those

00:33:37.320 questions.

00:33:37.740 And when I did, I was like, I was, well, then I had to leave the city.

00:33:40.600 I moved out because I was so shocked by it and so distressed by it.

00:33:44.540 But you were saying that, I mean, the real question is not how would I come to that?

00:33:48.440 I mean, I was marinating in that world my whole life.

00:33:51.280 Um, why did it take me so long is the real question, but how did you run an athletic track?

00:33:57.740 How did you come to these conclusions?

00:34:00.420 That's the more unusual.

00:34:02.280 Well, I think I was, I w it was a number of things.

00:34:05.420 Um, I always wanted to question what I believed because I felt like it could strengthen.

00:34:10.600 That, and although that wasn't maybe the, the thought, uh, uh, process growing up in

00:34:16.740 the church, there was, there was a lot to like, just believe this and have faith.

00:34:22.040 Don't ever question it.

00:34:23.260 If you question it, that's doubt and doubt is a sin.

00:34:26.480 But I was like, I don't know.

00:34:28.020 Like, I kind of want to question this so, so I can have it, uh, confirmed.

00:34:33.080 Okay.

00:34:33.220 Can I just point out that on the cross, as he was being tortured to death, Jesus said,

00:34:38.000 my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

00:34:40.100 Right.

00:34:40.820 Jesus said that.

00:34:42.240 So the idea.

00:34:43.360 Yeah.

00:34:43.660 He had some doubt.

00:34:44.860 Yeah.

00:34:45.320 On the cross.

00:34:47.260 Um, but, but I got into.

00:34:48.920 So I think you're allowed to ask questions and have.

00:34:50.820 Well, yeah, but yeah, I, I kind of gave myself that permission when I was younger, but I did

00:34:55.780 a report my sophomore year in high school on JFK.

00:34:58.700 And I was just kind of super fascinated by his charisma and, uh, the Kennedy family in

00:35:05.320 general.

00:35:05.900 Yes.

00:35:06.460 And then his death and, uh, what little I knew about it.

00:35:11.080 Um, and I talked to, um, some people that maybe didn't believe the Warren commission or

00:35:17.620 the official narrative.

00:35:18.560 So I did a report on it.

00:35:19.740 It was more on JFK because I think we had to pick an influential person from history to

00:35:23.460 report on.

00:35:23.920 So I picked JFK and.

00:35:26.100 In high school.

00:35:26.580 In high school.

00:35:26.960 And back then with very limited internet access, I did a lot of research, uh, in the library

00:35:32.700 and read a lot of things, read the Warren commission, um, a decent amount of it, the

00:35:36.560 Warren report.

00:35:37.620 And I was like, there's some bullshit in here.

00:35:41.740 This doesn't make sense.

00:35:42.740 You tell me this magic bullet from this guy went boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,

00:35:45.860 about through him.

00:35:46.380 And then they just happened to find it, you know, in the hospital, a certain spot.

00:35:50.240 I was like, that doesn't sound right.

00:35:51.860 So that kind of got me into, um, questioning things, conspiracies.

00:35:56.180 He's for sure.

00:35:57.300 Questioning things.

00:35:58.180 I've seen some really interesting UAP phenomenons in the sky.

00:36:01.920 I've talked about it.

00:36:02.720 And I know that's something that you, you are fascinated by.

00:36:06.240 Um, uh, you know, at the time I also found a way to, to see, uh, the Zapruder film, which,

00:36:13.420 uh, you know, it was very, uh, fascinating as well.

00:36:16.520 Uh, even though it's super grainy.

00:36:19.020 Um, and that kind of got me into questioning things.

00:36:21.800 And then there's been a lot of really interesting, uh, things that have happened over the years.

00:36:25.820 My grandfather though, he, you know, I didn't get to know him that well, but I do know that

00:36:30.820 he always questioned, uh, and believe that, uh, that Roosevelt knew, um, about the Japanese

00:36:37.620 coming.

00:36:38.020 And that always stuck with him because he, uh, you know, he was super patriotic and another

00:36:44.480 one of my heroes, Pat Tillman, who left the NFL to join, uh, the army.

00:36:51.340 Um, you know, his death is very, uh, suspicious as well, uh, in that, not the fact we know that

00:36:58.200 he was killed by friendly fire, but the way they handled his body afterwards, his uniform,

00:37:03.060 uh, confiscating his last journal, uh, using his death to prop up the war propaganda.

00:37:08.800 There's been a lot of great people in history who are super patriotic, who've questioned,

00:37:12.220 uh, their government.

00:37:13.940 And I think that's what I've, I've done since, uh, you know, since I was, since I was a kid.

00:37:18.460 And pardon my ignorance.

00:37:19.740 I didn't, I didn't even know that about Tillman's journal.

00:37:22.940 So that was confiscated by the.

00:37:24.400 His, his uniform was burned and his, and his journal was, uh, was confiscated.

00:37:29.240 That's in John Krakauer's book, Where Men Win Glory, which is a fantastic book.

00:37:33.060 And one of my best friends in the entire world, AJ Hawk, AJ grew his hair out, him and his

00:37:37.600 buddy, um, in 2004, uh, as an ode to, uh, to Pat, um, because Pat always had long hair

00:37:45.620 and played for the Cardinals, left a multimillion dollar contract to go, uh, you know, fight,

00:37:50.660 uh, you know, fight, uh, yeah, Al Qaeda and Taliban gets over there and is like, what the

00:37:57.500 fuck am I doing?

00:37:58.080 I'm guarding these poppy fields.

00:37:59.240 This is not what I signed up for.

00:38:00.220 I miss my wife.

00:38:00.960 If I miss being in the States, this is not what I thought we were going to be doing over

00:38:04.220 here.

00:38:05.100 And then some really, uh, negligent maneuvers, uh, happened and split up his unit and he

00:38:10.420 ended up being with, um, one of the members of the, uh, Afghani, uh, army who was their

00:38:15.720 kind of guide.

00:38:17.360 And, you know, a guy saw the guy and, and some dim lighting, uh, on the ridge who was

00:38:22.080 with Pat, they fired on him, obviously Pat and, uh, the Afghani thought that they were

00:38:28.200 getting fired on by Taliban.

00:38:29.200 So fired back and ended up, uh, Pat got killed.

00:38:31.940 His brother was not told right away that, uh, it was friendly fire.

00:38:35.260 They come like that.

00:38:36.120 It's, it's all in the book.

00:38:37.240 It's fascinating book.

00:38:38.200 I mean, it's one of the only books I've ever cried reading just cause it's so, uh, I mean,

00:38:43.100 John's an incredible writer.

00:38:44.180 He wrote into thin air.

00:38:45.140 He wrote into the wild.

00:38:46.160 He wrote under the banner of heaven.

00:38:47.940 I read those three.

00:38:48.960 Yeah.

00:38:49.100 Those are the Tillman book.

00:38:50.000 Yeah.

00:38:50.100 The Tillman book is incredible, but, um, I don't know why I'm bringing this up.

00:38:53.740 Just that there's so many people that really love this country that have gotten disenfranchised.

00:38:57.100 I think that's part of it.

00:38:57.940 The whole betrayed by their leaders.

00:38:59.820 Yeah.

00:39:00.500 I mean, for your grandfather, who you said lost friends at Pearl Harbor and was shot down

00:39:04.660 over Europe and held as a POW by, and he, you know, recently there's a gentleman writing

00:39:09.020 a book about me and, uh, he's writing a chapter on him and he went and found the war crime,

00:39:14.220 uh, uh, uh, committee, uh, that actually interviewed him after he came back because he was mistreated

00:39:20.900 over there, uh, there was a, uh, one of his, um, uh, one of the guys, there was a group

00:39:27.140 of like, I think there were 10 people on his, uh, on his bomber.

00:39:29.720 One of the guys, uh, ruptured his spleen on the way down and they mistreated him, uh,

00:39:34.860 made him march like, uh, 20 miles in the freezing cold, didn't get him any medical, uh,

00:39:40.720 treatment.

00:39:41.040 So there was like a war crimes commission that was doing interviews.

00:39:43.580 So he was interviewed about that.

00:39:45.280 Um, and it talked about kind of how he was treated the, the, you know, how they put, uh,

00:39:49.720 you know, warms in his food and didn't get him in water for certain times and, and, uh,

00:39:54.580 just the bad conditions there.

00:39:56.040 And, and that's all he went through.

00:39:58.060 He went through all that because, you know, he really cared about his country.

00:40:01.040 And I think even up until his death, you know, there was for sure some bitterness,

00:40:04.980 I would guess around what was I actually doing and why was I doing it and who had to die?

00:40:11.480 You know, my friends at Pearl Harbor, you know, for this country that I fucking love

00:40:15.860 that I almost died for.

00:40:17.240 That's right.

00:40:17.580 Um, and I think those are the, those are the great people that have made this country

00:40:22.100 what it is.

00:40:23.160 And we're, you know, now to even question the government, you're, you're some like

00:40:27.860 right wing conspiracy, crazy tinfoil hat wear, which is wild because it seems like the left

00:40:34.280 has gone so far left and anybody right of that, there's no center anymore.

00:40:39.700 That's according to the left.

00:40:40.940 You're just, you're a right winger unless you're so far on the left.

00:40:43.440 The left, there used to be a party of Occupy Wall Street and free speech and rights for

00:40:48.720 everybody.

00:40:49.900 Uh, now is, they're the ones beating the drums on the war machine and censorship and obedience.

00:40:57.400 They're not criticizing Wall Street too much.

00:40:59.080 I notice.

00:40:59.660 Yeah.

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00:42:50.580 Wall Street, the New York Times torqued up its coverage of racism.

00:42:57.040 So the word racist, racism, white supremacy went up hundreds of percent in the New York

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00:43:15.620 It's not surprising.

00:43:16.720 That's what they do.

00:43:17.660 They distraction.

00:43:19.020 The true disinformation comes from actually those publications now.

00:43:24.340 How have they treated you?

00:43:26.380 A lot of character assassinations.

00:43:28.320 I've noticed.

00:43:29.240 When I tested positive for COVID, my whole world changed.

00:43:36.400 And people I thought were allies in the media just turned on me.

00:43:40.520 They spammed my sponsors to the tune of one of my sponsors who's having a hard time keeping

00:43:49.800 me.

00:43:50.300 They got spammed with 140 million impressions across all social media to get rid of me.

00:43:59.240 Because of my choice about what I want to put in my body.

00:44:03.480 They didn't, to their credit.

00:44:04.860 They stuck with me for one more year.

00:44:06.960 One of the sponsors dropped me within a couple of days, which is fine.

00:44:12.220 But yeah, you know, when it came out, whether it was somebody from the campaign or not, released

00:44:21.840 that I was a finalist to be Bobby's vice president, there was a total character assassination.

00:44:26.860 It was some bizarre story from 12 years ago that somebody thought they heard something,

00:44:30.940 that I was questioning something.

00:44:32.180 And what it all comes down to, I think, which-

00:44:36.300 That was CNN that did that.

00:44:37.360 Yeah, of course.

00:44:38.900 Is I'm not beholden.

00:44:40.900 You know, I have a contract, but I don't, you know, I'm not beholden anybody.

00:44:45.440 I'm dangerous to them because I speak my mind.

00:44:49.460 And, you know, I'm not, you know, cliche-ridden, you know, obedient star, athlete.

00:45:01.220 I, like, speak my mind.

00:45:02.400 I'm a loose cannon to them.

00:45:04.060 But why?

00:45:04.720 I mean, wouldn't it just be easier to collect the accolades and collect the money and just

00:45:10.020 not say what you think in public, keep it for dinner parties?

00:45:12.740 Like-

00:45:12.960 Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people have done that over the years.

00:45:15.040 Yeah.

00:45:15.220 There's been a lot of great stars who've done that, and I respect that.

00:45:19.500 I think I just, I love this country, and I believe in this country.

00:45:26.480 I believe in people too much to just be quiet about things that seem so obvious to me.

00:45:33.780 And corruption in any form is, you know, should be exposed.

00:45:39.860 And the evils in this world that are out there.

00:45:43.040 And, you know, there's good and there's evil.

00:45:44.340 And the powers that be that don't want the light to shine, the good to exist, you know,

00:45:53.380 really push things that aren't in the best interest of anybody.

00:45:57.400 And I just got tired of dealing with it.

00:46:00.480 I also, you know, got to a point that Rogan got to, I think, and many other people where

00:46:04.740 I made my money.

00:46:07.980 I have a platform.

00:46:09.400 I've had success in my business.

00:46:10.600 What's the worst that you could do to me?

00:46:13.220 Like, you could kill me.

00:46:15.280 Yeah.

00:46:17.300 At least I'm not dying on my knees.

00:46:19.080 Amen.

00:46:20.160 And stand up for what I believe in, whether you agree with me or not, whether you agree

00:46:24.140 with the way I went about it.

00:46:25.120 That's your own opinion.

00:46:25.880 That's fine.

00:46:26.800 But I feel, yeah, I feel good about the way that I've stood up for myself.

00:46:33.100 And like Bobby said, there's a lot worse things than dying.

00:46:38.180 And like, I would be dying a little bit every single day if I didn't say some of the stuff

00:46:43.560 that's on my mind.

00:46:44.240 Now, I do want to like, not be a part of the, you know, the war against the people that

00:46:52.340 tried to cancel us.

00:46:54.460 I would rather be a part of bringing people back into the fold and actually building bridges

00:46:59.220 with some of those people.

00:47:00.100 Now there's the evil that exists that I don't care to engage with those people and they know

00:47:05.200 who they are.

00:47:06.580 Most people that have attacked me that are beholden to big pharma or money or whatever

00:47:12.180 it might be.

00:47:13.320 But I think if there's a chance for this country to keep going and to exist and to not be like

00:47:18.820 the Roman empire and fall from it then.

00:47:21.480 And I don't know if that's even possible, honestly, but I think it's got to start with

00:47:24.880 love and compassion and empathy.

00:47:26.680 And I'd like to be a part of that conversation if possible.

00:47:29.660 I so strongly agree with that.

00:47:31.040 And clearly COVID was used like race questions have been used, like the trans stuff is being

00:47:38.320 used to divide people and to make them hate each other.

00:47:41.280 Yeah.

00:47:41.900 And that, and you don't want to be a part of that.

00:47:43.780 I don't want to make that worse at all.

00:47:45.320 And I agree with you.

00:47:45.960 I love the country and not only do I love it, I'm stuck here.

00:47:49.120 You know, I'm born here.

00:47:50.240 I will die here.

00:47:50.860 So it's my country.

00:47:52.220 That's how I feel.

00:47:53.120 So I don't want it to get worse.

00:47:55.420 But I do have unanswered in my mind, like, what was that?

00:47:58.980 I mean, you described, I think, the motives of the people that you know, or I know, you

00:48:03.180 know, they were afraid.

00:48:05.220 They're just instinctively deferential to power.

00:48:07.440 Okay, that's fine.

00:48:08.080 That's all human nature.

00:48:09.020 But like big picture, that's so crazy what just happened.

00:48:13.480 And the effects on people are so bad.

00:48:17.880 And we don't know what the effects could be.

00:48:20.160 We certainly don't.

00:48:20.840 There's going to be years.

00:48:21.820 It crosses the blood brain barrier.

00:48:23.760 So like, what is this?

00:48:25.640 And it's absolutely fair to ask the question, does it change your DNA?

00:48:28.540 That's not crackpot science at all.

00:48:31.380 And there's some evidence.

00:48:32.240 Well, they admitted early on, if they'd called this experimental gene therapy, nobody would

00:48:35.760 have taken it.

00:48:36.900 So they called it a vaccine, and they changed the definition of vaccine.

00:48:39.720 Like, that's not bullshit.

00:48:41.520 That's not conspiracy.

00:48:42.060 That's actually what happened.

00:48:42.940 They literally talked about this, I believe, as somebody at the WHO, CDC, one of those two.

00:48:48.000 Somebody can check me on that.

00:48:49.200 But there's literally a conversation that they were having where they're like, well, if we'd

00:48:52.380 called this gene therapy, when maybe we thought it was about 5% to 10% of people that

00:48:57.300 might take this, but we called it a vaccine.

00:48:58.880 Then that brings in all the potential being canceled as an anti-vaxxer.

00:49:03.860 Because that's related to me, and you as well.

00:49:06.020 They have this game plan where it's like, we're on a name call, anti-vaxxer, anti-Semite,

00:49:12.640 bigot, racist, whatever it might be.

00:49:14.880 Exactly.

00:49:15.760 We're going to censor you, then we're going to try and cancel you, then we're going to

00:49:18.360 go after the people that you love and care about.

00:49:20.760 And that's kind of how they do it.

00:49:23.020 And so if they called it a vaccine, then all these people who are hesitant to not get

00:49:27.400 canceled, not be shamed by being called an anti-vaxxer, are going to get in line to take

00:49:33.100 it.

00:49:34.840 But big picture, do you have any guess as to what is the program here?

00:49:39.540 What is the point of this?

00:49:41.180 Is it depopulation?

00:49:42.560 Because that's its effect, of course.

00:49:44.780 The lockdowns and the vax depopulate by definition.

00:49:49.380 What you said, massive miscarriage rate, but also just keeping people inside for a year and

00:49:53.480 a half, destroys their ability to find a mate, destroys their souls.

00:49:57.620 Immune system, yeah.

00:49:59.260 And its effect on your immune system, exactly.

00:50:01.300 It causes illness.

00:50:02.800 I think there's some people that, yeah, that want depopulation.

00:50:05.080 Now, there's been video of Bill Gates that people think it's taken out of context, but

00:50:12.780 if you look at his track record and what he's done around the world, I don't know that he's

00:50:18.600 a proponent of all life and people having more kids and more population on this earth.

00:50:26.360 Well, I think he's strongly pro-death, from what I can tell.

00:50:29.120 I think he's not the only one.

00:50:30.500 I think there's a lot of other people.

00:50:32.400 I don't understand what that motivation is, why, but I think those are some of the evils

00:50:38.280 that we're up against.

00:50:39.780 Are you noticing all around, just in your life, are you noticing people begin to make

00:50:47.220 reference to spiritual forces in a way they didn't say five years ago?

00:50:51.160 Is this my imagination?

00:50:52.920 No, I don't think so.

00:50:53.860 I think that more people are kind of waking up with that.

00:50:56.860 I think people that watched, and there's probably, I don't know, 10, 15, 20 million at least that

00:51:02.720 saw your interview on Rogan and saw you talk about the supernatural component of UAPs.

00:51:07.980 I think that is a good part of the conversation for people to reference.

00:51:12.660 I grew up in the church, and in the church, you know that there's a battle that's going

00:51:16.660 on between the seen and the unseen world, between good and evil, between the powers that we can

00:51:21.300 see and the powers that we can't see.

00:51:22.960 And there's some wild things out there that we don't know about, and there's some government

00:51:25.920 secrets we don't know about.

00:51:27.340 At a bare minimum, whether you believe in alien life, UFOs, UAPs, whatever you want to call

00:51:33.120 it, there's some technology out there that exists that's finally have some sort of disclosure

00:51:37.100 that the government or the powers that be don't think we're ready to be given that information,

00:51:43.740 which is kind of wild.

00:51:46.380 And I understand that, I actually don't understand it.

00:51:49.320 The thought process is it's going to change the way that we look at life or religion or

00:51:53.960 whatever.

00:51:54.680 That gets in the whole other idea about religion being as a way to control people, control thought

00:52:03.020 maybe, which is pretty wild.

00:52:06.840 But disclosure, I think, needs to happen.

00:52:10.280 It's going to be interesting to see how it happens, where it happens.

00:52:13.260 But in my space where I'm at, where I do a lot of plant medicine, the veils between worlds

00:52:20.040 and dimensions gets very thin.

00:52:21.540 So the idea of seeing other entities, seeing angelic type of beings and demonic type beings

00:52:30.320 is very normal.

00:52:33.860 And the idea that there's a demonic aspect to the UAP phenomenon, I think is very plausible

00:52:40.760 and interesting.

00:52:41.520 I do too.

00:52:43.340 So you say plant-based medicine, I think you're referring probably to a lot of different things,

00:52:49.260 but among those would be say ayahuasca or psilocybin mushrooms.

00:52:53.140 So the conventional understanding is that if you take a hallucinogen, you see hallucinations,

00:53:01.020 things that your brain creates that don't exist outside of you.

00:53:04.180 But you're suggesting that you can see things that are, in effect, real, but that you don't

00:53:10.520 normally see.

00:53:11.200 Is that what you're saying?

00:53:12.700 Yes, definitely.

00:53:14.420 And I've done, I have many times now, and I've had many incredible experiences.

00:53:22.920 Finally feel comfortable talking about it.

00:53:24.680 I wasn't maybe after the first six times I sat, and then I finally said, you know what?

00:53:29.680 This has made a huge impact on my life and made me feel more connected to this world and

00:53:33.740 more loving and more in my heart.

00:53:36.240 And even this last ceremony, group of ceremonies that I did, I think has really helped me with

00:53:41.540 the last four years of my life where I went from a pretty beloved, similarly enigma still,

00:53:51.220 but pretty beloved athlete to a very polarizing figure.

00:53:56.320 And it's helped me to kind of put that all in the right context and perspective and actually

00:54:01.140 have a ton of gratitude for the whole process, even though it was tough up and down, and more

00:54:06.580 empathy and compassion for those who've like slandered me and canceled me or attempted to.

00:54:13.020 So it's been really important for me and really deep healing for me.

00:54:18.020 Well, if you wind up with more compassion for your enemies, it's hard to criticize it,

00:54:23.040 because I think that's where we need to be.

00:54:25.100 Well, they also couldn't criticize because the first time I did it, I won an MVP.

00:54:29.100 Then the second time I did it, I won MVP again.

00:54:32.400 So everybody wanted to, you know, put me in the like druggie category.

00:54:35.900 Oh, you're just some wild hippie druggie guy.

00:54:37.980 It's like, yeah, but also I'm better at football probably afterwards and a better leader and

00:54:43.820 better at relating to my teammates.

00:54:46.960 So there's a lot of positive.

00:54:48.240 What does your teammates say?

00:54:49.360 What do they say in general?

00:54:51.940 They're interested, very interested.

00:54:53.740 So many people from all different sports, I'm talking basketball players, tennis players,

00:54:58.440 golfers, baseball players, hockey players, and then my own contemporaries in the league

00:55:04.520 are all interested about it.

00:55:07.400 There's a base level of plant medicine use for the most part.

00:55:10.540 I would say it's marijuana.

00:55:13.200 And, you know, people have their own opinions about marijuana.

00:55:16.080 Uh, but, uh, a lot of people are really interested about the healing effects they can have and

00:55:22.440 the self deeper sense of self-love and deeper sense of connection.

00:55:25.960 Um, there's just so many myths about it and misnomers.

00:55:29.660 Um, I like to say, and kind of, uh, uh, revised my view of that, uh, plant medicine is people

00:55:36.680 like, Oh, plant medicine, what is this shit?

00:55:38.200 Blah, blah, blah.

00:55:38.620 Um, medicine is anything that, uh, is, you know, is healing that's not addictive and

00:55:45.360 drugs, uh, are substances that are addictive and there's a ton of drugs and not all pharma

00:55:51.040 is bad.

00:55:51.440 There's some incredible pharmaceutical stuff that's helped us with, um, with, uh, with

00:55:57.180 things that I've used.

00:55:58.240 Obviously I've had many surgeries and had anesthesia and I'm thankful for those types of drugs,

00:56:02.820 but, um, medicine and food as medicine has been, you know, really impactful, uh, for

00:56:08.880 my life.

00:56:09.420 And, and it's, there aren't, uh, you know, they're not addictive, uh, substances, uh,

00:56:14.400 they're stuff that I like to use with deep reverence in ceremony setting.

00:56:18.720 And this made a big impact on my life.

00:56:20.680 And the people that know me have noticed the change people that don't know me, uh, you

00:56:25.820 know, have their, their shots and their opinions about me.

00:56:28.260 But, um, but I do have more empathy and compassion for all those people and, and, and for myself

00:56:34.480 too.

00:56:34.760 And I'm just trying to do my best.

00:56:36.200 And I was fighting a lot of battles, you know, when I tested positive for COVID and got

00:56:40.820 canceled or attempted.

00:56:41.720 And, um, I don't feel like I need to fight as much, uh, much of those.

00:56:46.580 What about you though?

00:56:47.220 Cause you, you did one of the most controversial somehow, not to me, most controversial interviews

00:56:53.640 in the last, I don't know how long when you went to Russia and did Putin, how did it

00:56:57.360 feel coming back?

00:56:58.740 Cause like anybody who watched the interview was like, number one, it was fucking awesome.

00:57:01.720 Number two, Putin came off as an interesting, thoughtful, smart individual.

00:57:07.380 And if you've read 1984, you know, the base game plan of government control is you have

00:57:11.520 to have an enemy and you have to slander that enemy regardless if you know anything about

00:57:15.840 him.

00:57:16.020 And I think a lot of people are like, oh, Putin apologists are like, you know, you know,

00:57:20.180 whitewashing all the stuff that he's done to the different people.

00:57:22.820 And I was just like, no, I'd, I'd love to see Joe Biden give an interview where he can

00:57:27.520 speak on the history of, uh, the United States in the same way that Putin talked about the

00:57:31.100 history of, uh, of his country.

00:57:33.100 I'd love to see Biden do an interview where he shows how to operate a microwave.

00:57:36.180 And I don't, I don't think that's going to happen.

00:57:38.260 And by the way, Biden won't do interviews and neither will Zelensky so far.

00:57:42.380 But what was it like to get to come back and where you weren't, you were like in a couple

00:57:46.260 other places after that.

00:57:47.300 I went to the middle East after that for a while.

00:57:49.200 I mean, I was out of the country for almost a month, so I missed, and I don't ever read

00:57:52.900 about myself anyway, cause I know who I am.

00:57:54.900 I don't need someone to tell me.

00:57:56.160 So, um, I, I missed all of that as I always do.

00:58:00.260 But the idea that someone would criticize an interview where you just let the guy talk

00:58:06.760 for a couple hours.

00:58:07.900 I mean, I just think that's inherently useful.

00:58:09.740 I mean, I just wanted to do it as a documentary record of what Putin is like, or at least what

00:58:14.160 he's like in this context.

00:58:15.240 And people can decide for themselves.

00:58:16.420 I'm a big believer in letting people decide for themselves.

00:58:18.980 I think adult men have the right to come to their own conclusions about things.

00:58:21.960 Adults have the right to.

00:58:23.560 So, um, I'll never stop believing that cause we're not slaves.

00:58:27.040 We can have any opinion we want.

00:58:28.640 And if you don't like it, then try and change it through reason.

00:58:31.420 And if you can't, then fuck you.

00:58:33.360 And I really feel that way.

00:58:34.360 So that's, that's the kind of perspective I had going into talk to Putin.

00:58:38.060 My perceptions of him are exactly what you just said.

00:58:40.060 I thought he was an interesting guy, smart guy, um, impressive guy, you know, in some

00:58:45.500 ways, obviously a lot more impressive than Joe Biden, but he's Russian and he runs Russia

00:58:50.020 and I'm American and I live in America.

00:58:52.140 So I care about my country.

00:58:54.180 I want my leaders to be better.

00:58:56.240 I'm not on Putin's side.

00:58:57.840 I don't have any emotional attachment to any foreign country because I'm not a foreigner.

00:59:02.620 I'm an American and this is the only country I care about.

00:59:04.920 Um, but, um, but for the record, yeah, I thought, you know, people can watch it and assess for

00:59:09.960 themselves and they should, it's, it's a fascinating idea that you shouldn't be allowed to do that

00:59:14.680 is so crazy to me.

00:59:15.600 I'm just not going to submit to that being canceled by the people who have like just bowed

00:59:20.680 down and given interviews from their knees to the Zelensky's of the world gargling as

00:59:25.880 they interview.

00:59:26.560 Yes, it's wild as this guy comes over and fucking, uh, an outfit you'd wear to the, you know,

00:59:34.360 to the store on a Sunday morning to ask the Congress for another hundred billion dollars

00:59:39.780 is fucking wild.

00:59:40.720 He looks like he's going to be in the, you know, village people music video.

00:59:44.760 I mean, it's like insane the whole thing.

00:59:47.540 It's like, you do sort of wonder like that and a million other things going on right now.

00:59:51.720 You wonder if they're, they're sort of seeing how far they can push the population until

00:59:55.740 someone starts laughing.

00:59:56.820 Like, are you joking?

00:59:57.940 It feels like that sometimes.

00:59:59.460 What can we, what if we did this?

01:00:02.140 Is anybody going to give a shit?

01:00:03.900 No.

01:00:04.120 Okay.

01:00:04.760 Okay.

01:00:05.340 Now let's try this one here.

01:00:07.160 We're going to put Joe Biden up and do this.

01:00:10.340 Wait, what?

01:00:11.500 This guy who can't even walk over here?

01:00:13.800 Shit his pants every now and then?

01:00:16.340 Then we're going to pick the single dumbest, but most self-confident person in the entire

01:00:21.800 nation of 350 million people and make her White House press secretary.

01:00:24.900 And so you have to deal with this every day on your television.

01:00:28.080 No, I know.

01:00:28.800 It's, well, I'm going to laugh.

01:00:29.840 That's not, but the real question I had for you in relation to freedom of speech and free

01:00:35.940 speech is two, I believe, champions of free speech who are now in exile, Julian Assange

01:00:44.440 and Ed Snowden.

01:00:46.160 I know them both.

01:00:46.880 And you've had conversations with them, both people who expose corruption and there was

01:00:55.280 attempted murders on both of them.

01:00:57.560 Yes.

01:00:57.860 Both are alive.

01:01:00.140 Julian is kind of rotting in a cell right now, I believe.

01:01:02.900 Yes.

01:01:03.420 And Ed is in his own exile in Russia.

01:01:05.940 But thriving, it seems like.

01:01:07.720 Yes.

01:01:08.380 But both people who I have a lot of affection for, just the fact that they would do what

01:01:13.880 they did and expose what they exposed and knew the consequences.

01:01:18.300 How do you feel about those two?

01:01:21.940 And do you think there's any path back, whether it's Trump or Bobby, maybe not even Trump, because

01:01:27.780 I feel like Trump didn't do it.

01:01:28.840 But if Bobby were to get elected, the opportunity to pardon those people, would they come back

01:01:33.300 to the states, you think?

01:01:34.300 Would they?

01:01:37.040 Well, I mean, in the case of Snowden, who's stuck, who I like a lot, and as with him and

01:01:45.540 Assange, I don't agree with them on everything.

01:01:46.960 I don't agree with my kids on everything.

01:01:49.560 I don't have to agree.

01:01:50.680 We agree on the things.

01:01:52.200 I don't either.

01:01:52.600 I just.

01:01:53.180 And by the way, if I'm being totally honest, I probably do agree with them on most things.

01:01:57.840 But whatever, I'm sure we'd find every area of disagreement.

01:01:59.580 I just love that they expose corruption and that they.

01:02:01.540 Their bravery, their physical courage, those guys, their willingness to suffer for what

01:02:06.400 they believe, and the principles for which they're suffering, the dignity of the individual.

01:02:11.420 We're all created by God.

01:02:12.360 You cannot treat me like a slave.

01:02:13.940 You cannot tell me what to think.

01:02:14.980 You cannot tell me what to say.

01:02:15.800 You cannot lie to my face.

01:02:17.260 Period.

01:02:17.880 Because I have self-respect.

01:02:19.240 And that there is a field of value.

01:02:20.320 This is right.

01:02:20.940 This is wrong.

01:02:21.520 That's exactly right.

01:02:21.880 What was going on was wrong.

01:02:23.320 And we got to expose this.

01:02:24.360 Well, and Snowden especially.

01:02:25.820 I mean, Snowden, you know, Assange is Australian.

01:02:28.220 He's lived around the world.

01:02:30.620 He was a journalist.

01:02:32.180 I don't think he had any expectation that he would wind up spending his adult life in

01:02:37.100 prison.

01:02:37.520 I don't think that even crossed his mind.

01:02:38.720 Maybe it did.

01:02:39.180 I haven't asked him.

01:02:39.820 But Ed Snowden knew exactly what he was getting into.

01:02:43.600 Yeah.

01:02:43.920 And he was, you know, middle class American, high IQ guy, lots of job opportunities here.

01:02:51.100 He could have lived a very comfortable life with his wife and kids.

01:02:53.720 And he intentionally put all of that at risk in order to tell Americans what their government

01:02:59.900 was actually doing.

01:03:00.900 And what's crazy to me is not that the U.S. government is trying to murder him, which,

01:03:05.480 of course, they are, but that news organizations don't defend him.

01:03:09.880 That's when you realize the, quote, news business is totally fraudulent.

01:03:15.260 None of these people mean it.

01:03:17.380 They went into it.

01:03:18.840 These are people who went into the news business as a way to exercise and exert power over their

01:03:24.820 fellow Americans.

01:03:25.940 Like, it has nothing to do with informing people.

01:03:27.280 It has to do with controlling and oppressing them.

01:03:31.580 That's why you work at NBC News.

01:03:33.620 So you can control people.

01:03:35.200 It's really sick.

01:03:36.660 And my loathing for them just can't even be described in words because it's so profound.

01:03:41.560 I have not forgiven them, and I don't think I will.

01:03:44.240 But Snowden, yeah, Snowden would come back tomorrow.

01:03:46.580 He's American.

01:03:47.520 His wife's American.

01:03:49.240 I think he's got a fine life in Russia, but he's not Russian.

01:03:52.460 And ultimately, I mean, I don't know if you've lived abroad.

01:03:55.660 You probably haven't had time.

01:03:56.840 But if you spend enough time in foreign countries, you realize that no matter how wonderful they

01:04:00.900 are, they're not your country.

01:04:02.640 You know what I mean?

01:04:03.420 You'll never fully be a citizen of another country if you were born here.

01:04:07.100 So he wants to come back, and they won't let him.

01:04:10.680 And it's disgusting.

01:04:12.100 It's disgusting that they would use a term like traitor for him when he's literally exposing

01:04:16.960 government corruption and stuff that you should give a shit about.

01:04:21.140 If I catch you robbing a liquor store and call the police, am I the criminal?

01:04:25.860 No.

01:04:26.460 You're the criminal.

01:04:27.340 You're robbing a liquor store.

01:04:29.260 Ed Snowden exposed crimes by the U.S. government against the American population.

01:04:33.380 U.S. citizens who are paying for this were being spied on illegally, and he's the criminal?

01:04:40.200 No, no, no.

01:04:41.080 He's the hero.

01:04:42.560 You are the criminal.

01:04:43.500 Well, Mike Pompeo, director of the CIA, who is literally a criminal, and yet he's treated

01:04:49.520 like, I mean, he's in the running to be defense secretary if Donald Trump wins.

01:04:53.620 It's shocking.

01:04:54.680 Take a criminal and give him nuclear weapons?

01:04:56.360 Really?

01:04:56.600 But that's been the whole revolving door with government, with the cabinet that happens,

01:05:05.040 revolving door from the FDA to the CDC to WHO.

01:05:09.460 The show, it's just a secret handshake society of everybody just patting each other's back

01:05:14.640 and staying in it.

01:05:15.780 That's the corruption that needs to be exposed, and it's out there.

01:05:19.040 It's utter.

01:05:20.180 And they're just doing it so overtly.

01:05:22.240 Who gives a shit?

01:05:23.440 Well, and very high stakes, too.

01:05:24.860 It's not just like, well, I'm not doing the best possible job as transportation secretary.

01:05:29.720 It's like, no, actually, I'm forcing the entire country to take poison.

01:05:34.240 I'm killing people.

01:05:35.720 I'm destroying the U.S. economy for the benefit of a few, et cetera, et cetera.

01:05:40.080 These are big things.

01:05:41.280 These are not minor fuck-ups.

01:05:43.300 These are major felonies, in my opinion.

01:05:47.820 And that's why I have hope, and I want Bobby to have a chance to debate and to get into it,

01:05:53.780 because if not, it's just going to be the same shit over and over and over.

01:06:00.400 And like when the financial crisis happened in 08, right, and Obama put many of the people

01:06:07.240 involved in it into his cabinet, into the, you know, the Department of Treasury was like

01:06:14.360 one of the guys from Goldman and Sachs, I believe, who was a part of the whole fucking shit

01:06:19.120 that went down.

01:06:19.880 And that's on Inside Job, which is a great documentary as well.

01:06:22.560 So maybe we take the captain of the Titanic and make him secretary of the Navy.

01:06:25.320 Yeah.

01:06:25.560 But that's basically what you're doing.

01:06:29.260 I know.

01:06:36.980 What do you think motivates Bobby Kennedy?

01:06:40.460 I think he loves standing up to the man, to the big corruption.

01:06:45.220 Now, he is royalty, because the Kennedy family is one of those special families, and his family

01:06:51.320 has been a part of, in a position of power or fame, riches for a long time.

01:06:58.080 But look at his life and what he's done.

01:06:59.720 He's gone after the EPA forever.

01:07:01.940 And he gets shit for his vaccine stance.

01:07:04.820 But he was never a part of that.

01:07:06.700 It was actually a couple of women who came up to him when he was suing the EPA for years

01:07:10.600 and winning for them, destroying our water and destroying people's lives and winning consistently.

01:07:17.860 And then he's like, oh, shit, there's another issue that's going on.

01:07:20.860 It's the chronic disease epidemic in this country.

01:07:23.560 And he can give you all the numbers from what it was.

01:07:26.180 And there's certain dates in time where certain things happen where chronic disease went way

01:07:31.700 up in the 80s, specifically, after a bill was signed by Ronald Reagan.

01:07:36.240 And since that time, if you look at a lot of the numbers, there's been a huge jump in

01:07:41.480 chronic disease for kids, in illness, in SIDS, in autism, allergies, all these different

01:07:49.460 things.

01:07:49.900 Yes.

01:07:50.240 And he's just saying, listen, I'm not saying that causation is correlation 100%, but there

01:07:56.660 has to be some sort of relationship here with this.

01:07:59.020 And why don't we do some studies on it?

01:08:01.340 Why don't we get some transparency?

01:08:02.520 Why don't we have these vaccines go through the normal trials and testing?

01:08:09.260 Well, because learning things is anti-science.

01:08:11.900 Yeah.

01:08:13.760 But I don't think Bobby would put those kind of people in his cabinet.

01:08:21.400 I don't think he would give power to those kind of people.

01:08:24.820 And like I've talked to him, as frustrating as some of the alphabet gangs or organizations

01:08:34.380 are, there's a lot of great people in them.

01:08:37.040 There's great people in the CIA.

01:08:38.280 There's great people in the FBI.

01:08:39.320 There's great people in the CDC and the WHO and the FDA who really care and think they're

01:08:43.920 making a difference.

01:08:45.060 But there's a top line in a lot of those organizations that are actually at their core

01:08:48.700 anti-American and are not doing things that's in the best interest of our people.

01:08:51.880 And we're fucking paying them.

01:08:53.100 It's on our dime.

01:08:55.000 And all the stuff that's happened post-9-11 with the Patriot Act and the FISA court, as

01:09:02.100 far as the surveillance domestically and spying, and the fact that they are not actually unearthing

01:09:08.040 these domestic terrorist plots.

01:09:11.400 There's a lot of great documentaries and stuff.

01:09:13.960 You can look into that.

01:09:15.280 The fact that our food and water is not at an acceptable level.

01:09:18.420 The fact that our border is not at the right level.

01:09:20.180 The fact that some of the stuff that happened with ATF, where some of those, they were tracking

01:09:26.220 these guns that went to the cartel and they were being used to kill border agents and all

01:09:29.920 these different shit that's gone on.

01:09:33.940 Again, I'm not saying that all those organizations are super corrupt.

01:09:38.040 There's a lot of fucking great men and women that work for those.

01:09:40.560 But there's some people at the top who aren't great people.

01:09:43.980 And that's what needs to change.

01:09:45.920 And I think Bobby would go in there and change a lot of that stuff.

01:09:48.480 And that's what his uncle and his father were trying to do.

01:09:51.880 If you know the history of-

01:09:53.420 How'd that turn out?

01:09:54.800 Well, yeah, that's what happens with some of these companies.

01:09:58.760 And that's why I love Bobby and you, because you're willing to stand up knowing that it doesn't

01:10:05.140 always end well for people going up against corruption.

01:10:07.220 A guy whose uncle and dad were murdered in the course of their jobs as elected officials.

01:10:13.920 Well, look at the history of Alan Dulles, right?

01:10:15.840 Yep.

01:10:16.120 If you know his history.

01:10:17.700 He was in banking for the Bush family.

01:10:21.860 Then he got into the OSS, which was a precursor to the CIA.

01:10:25.760 Yes.

01:10:26.000 And he was probably a part of Operation Paperclip, which repatriated a lot of the German scientists.

01:10:33.360 Yes.

01:10:34.800 Which there's some ethical issues with that.

01:10:37.760 He tried to get us into World War III in Cuba, Operation Northwoods.

01:10:43.940 And the majority of JFK's actually closest advisors, I believe they voted and the majority

01:10:48.960 said, let's do it and let's blow up the ship and let's get us into World War III and let's

01:10:54.460 go after Cuba.

01:10:56.080 And JFK said, nope, ain't doing it.

01:10:58.580 Fired Alan.

01:11:01.160 And then Alan Dulles winds up where?

01:11:04.900 As basically one of the main guys in the Warren Commission.

01:11:09.320 Chief Justice Warren was, I believe, only at nine of the 30 some odd meetings that they

01:11:14.380 had.

01:11:15.100 But the two guys that were really in control of it, from what I've read, are Alan Dulles,

01:11:20.260 former fired head of the CIA, who ended up getting his job back.

01:11:23.060 And there's an airport named after him.

01:11:25.820 And Gerald Ford, future president, who was at the time number two at the FBI, an FBI led

01:11:31.380 by J. Edgar Hoover, who hated the Kennedys.

01:11:33.620 So given that all of that happened, it's a little weird that the Biden administration won't give

01:11:41.160 Bobby Kennedy secret service protection.

01:11:43.220 Yeah.

01:11:43.340 And he's known Joe forever.

01:11:44.920 They were friendly for a long, long time.

01:11:48.380 It wasn't like he's some outsider.

01:11:50.380 He's been around the political game for a long time.

01:11:54.180 And he's the only major candidate who's not gotten secret service protection.

01:11:58.520 They're also limiting and skewing, I believe, some of the polls to try and not just keep

01:12:05.280 him out of a debate, but keep him out of secret service protection.

01:12:08.800 He's spending millions of his own dollars on private security, which he has to because

01:12:14.820 he's, he's a threat because he's not, you know, bought and paid for.

01:12:19.240 Um, and you know, he's a foil to the two party system, but I don't know if you saw this, but

01:12:25.480 Bobby recently came out and said, uh, in the summer months, at some point he wants to do a 50 state

01:12:31.520 poll with like 20,000.

01:12:34.580 And I don't know what the exact number is votes in each of these States and whoever polls lower

01:12:40.640 between him and Joe Biden has to drop out of the race because in his own analytics, he's found

01:12:46.520 out that if the three of them run, uh, Trump is most likely to win.

01:12:52.060 If he goes against Trump, he wins.

01:12:54.220 If he goes against Biden, he wins.

01:12:55.860 If Biden goes against Trump, Trump wins.

01:12:58.980 So in fact, the, so he said, Hey, listen, I'll drop out.

01:13:02.320 If you pull higher than me in these 50 States, um, but if I pull higher than you, you're out.

01:13:11.520 There's no way he'll go for that.

01:13:13.300 I think it's a brilliant, a brilliant model to be like, no, no, I'm not the foil.

01:13:16.880 Bobby's not the foil.

01:13:18.400 Right.

01:13:19.180 Bobby's a main player in this and going through this process and just like entertaining it

01:13:24.680 for a small time to learn about the corruption with getting on the ballot is that's fucking

01:13:30.540 wild.

01:13:31.000 It is 50 States with 50 different ways of doing it for the most part.

01:13:35.740 Uh, you know, you can have your signatures thrown out.

01:13:38.700 If you have the wrong color ink on one of 50,000 signatures, uh, some States you file

01:13:45.820 with the secretary of state, some States with the governor's office.

01:13:48.320 It's just, it's so ridiculous.

01:13:50.040 The whole process, which is just set up for a two party system.

01:13:54.200 Right.

01:13:54.680 And then who knows about the, you know, the safety and legitimacy of, of this whole thing.

01:14:00.640 Well, it's a lot harder to get on the ballot than it is for say a non-citizen to vote.

01:14:04.840 Yeah.

01:14:05.740 Or a dead person.

01:14:07.040 Or a dead person.

01:14:09.840 Uh, a lot of those.

01:14:10.740 So you've made reference a couple of times to the food supply and you said, I don't know

01:14:14.900 about, you know, I'm not an expert on vaccines, but I am an expert on food.

01:14:19.720 What do you, well, I'm not an expert on food.

01:14:21.380 Well, but I mean, it's your job.

01:14:22.940 Yeah.

01:14:23.120 I mean, I care, I care a lot about what goes on my body.

01:14:25.340 You have to.

01:14:26.040 Right.

01:14:26.200 So what have you learned?

01:14:27.760 So for people who aren't paying as close attention, um, to what they eat, what, where do you think

01:14:34.440 the, the bad, like what's the bad food?

01:14:38.140 Well, a lot of it's in the wording of it.

01:14:39.700 I mean, fat is a bad term, but fat is really good for you.

01:14:44.580 Um, cholesterol is also a real negative stuff, but yeah, but you need cholesterol because

01:14:50.400 it's good for your brain.

01:14:51.440 Uh, there's, there's some bad types of it and some like shit that you can eat that doesn't

01:14:56.120 help your, uh, that kind of skews your levels, but sugar terrible for you.

01:15:00.860 Anything processed sugar, like fuels cancer cells.

01:15:04.240 So, uh, eliminating sugars, processed foods.

01:15:08.300 But if you were to start with one, I'd be getting rid of sugar.

01:15:10.720 Yeah, definitely.

01:15:12.500 And then fasting.

01:15:14.060 Fasting is incredible for your body.

01:15:15.640 It resets your body.

01:15:16.440 I do at least a five day fast every single off season, just kind of kickstart the off season.

01:15:21.840 What's that like?

01:15:22.840 It's, it's a fun process.

01:15:24.300 It's hard, but after you get past three days, you have this evolutionary, uh, impulse that

01:15:29.300 kicks in, uh, and you feel amazing.

01:15:31.920 Actually, I got to the fifth day this year.

01:15:34.020 I was like, man, if I wasn't going on this trip and I would do 10 days, I felt incredible.

01:15:40.200 Yeah.

01:15:40.360 And it just resets your body.

01:15:41.480 And it actually, there's a lot of great research.

01:15:43.260 Dana White was talking about it recently.

01:15:44.680 Um, that, uh, you know, he did kind of before and after testing.

01:15:48.640 And there's a, there's a lot of, uh, studies now that talk about the, uh, the percentage

01:15:53.280 of, uh, goes way down of, of, uh, heart disease, uh, heart attack based on fasting.

01:15:59.680 Um, cancer obviously has a really hard time when you, uh, when you fast or when you, uh, at

01:16:05.200 least fast from sugar.

01:16:07.440 Um, and that's kind of my problem with the whole, uh, you know, the cancer industrial

01:16:12.100 complex is that there's very little, uh, people treating cancer that, uh, that kind of start

01:16:18.460 base level of diet.

01:16:20.900 Um, and I'm not saying that all treatments are terrible.

01:16:24.160 There's a lot of, you know, people doing really great work and, and, and caring for patients,

01:16:29.200 but diet should be the first thing that you look at.

01:16:31.980 Um, especially, uh, sugar, you know, I had a weird experience.

01:16:35.860 I was at the, uh, hospital years ago, seeing a friend, uh, and, and, uh, coach of mine

01:16:40.680 who had had a heart issue and, you know, I'd got there, he'd gotten two stents put in

01:16:46.300 and he's drinking a Coke and eating pudding.

01:16:49.880 And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

01:16:53.080 What are you doing?

01:16:54.320 And that's, and that's part of the problem is, is, is we're not using food as medicine.

01:16:58.380 You know, we're, well, sugar is also someone who has quit smoking

01:17:01.560 and drinking and drugs.

01:17:03.140 I can say way more addictive.

01:17:05.760 It's a drug.

01:17:07.620 It's addicting.

01:17:09.080 Like actually.

01:17:12.260 Yeah.

01:17:12.800 But in every single day, there's stuff that is finally coming out.

01:17:15.100 Like I was just reading some, there's four, you know, four, it was like a Oreos, um,

01:17:22.860 lucky charms, something else.

01:17:25.440 And Gatorade, you know, has been exposed as having like, uh, forever chemicals in them.

01:17:31.040 And so there's finally people getting some of the message out and forcing, uh, you know,

01:17:38.300 these companies to change, but the best way to vote in general, uh, is with your money.

01:17:42.860 And I really believe that obviously, you know, I'd love that if Bobby would win and we'll

01:17:49.220 definitely vote for him.

01:17:50.020 Um, um, and voting on a local level is really important, especially for your local, you know,

01:17:54.740 DAs and sheriffs and different things is super important, but like voting with our dollar

01:17:58.800 is really important.

01:17:59.640 And companies that are involved in, um, you know, shady practices, uh, unethical practices,

01:18:05.500 uh, foods that, uh, have poison in them.

01:18:08.920 Uh, and they know it don't know by them and they'll change.

01:18:12.900 They'll change just like with the government.

01:18:15.100 If you don't, you know, don't follow their ridiculous, uh, draconian rules, they're going

01:18:20.140 to change.

01:18:22.380 So it sounds like protein is the answer.

01:18:27.240 Yeah.

01:18:27.580 Protein fat.

01:18:28.500 I mean, that's high, but it's not, everybody has a little different.

01:18:31.380 So a little different body, a little different constitution.

01:18:33.800 So, um, you know, but I think on a base level fasting is good.

01:18:39.420 Now, a lot of the, uh, intermittent fasting data, uh, for women was a post-menopausal women.

01:18:46.640 Um, I will, I definitely know that.

01:18:48.680 So like a fasting, intermittent fasting for like, um, uh, women still menstruating.

01:18:53.000 I don't know.

01:18:53.360 That's great for health, but, um, I think fasting in general is a good reset for your body.

01:18:59.000 Um, how hard are the first three days?

01:19:01.000 Hard, but it changes your relationship with food.

01:19:04.840 Now we're not living to eat.

01:19:07.320 We're eating to live.

01:19:08.880 I think that's a, a, an important, uh, distinction.

01:19:12.420 So you feel lightheaded or jumpy or a little bit, and it depends on how much sugar you've

01:19:16.340 eaten.

01:19:16.600 If you like, you can get the, the sugar blues and the sugar, uh, uh, depression there.

01:19:22.520 If you, if you've, if you're coming off eating a ton of sugar for sure, but I don't eat a

01:19:26.760 lot of sugar.

01:19:27.400 So, um, it was, it was fairly easy for me, but I do all the time too.

01:19:32.860 I think it's like, just start with 24 hours.

01:19:34.940 Just start with 24 hours and just drink water or bone broth, um, as a good reset.

01:19:40.280 And then if you can get to three days, that's great.

01:19:42.220 You get to five.

01:19:42.860 That's incredible.

01:19:43.800 The research says five and up has like the greatest benefits, but it's a good reset for

01:19:49.180 your system.

01:19:49.640 Um, you look better in the mirror, um, and you'll, uh, your body just starts to function

01:19:56.460 a little bit, a little bit higher while you're fasting.

01:19:59.200 Yeah.

01:19:59.840 Is that hard?

01:20:00.780 Yeah.

01:20:01.680 It's lighter workouts when I'm on my, my, my fast, but cause I need some energy to work

01:20:06.080 out.

01:20:06.360 But, uh, what's the longest you've gone fasting?

01:20:09.260 Yeah.

01:20:09.620 Seven.

01:20:11.020 What was that like?

01:20:12.380 Awesome.

01:20:13.300 Past three is like amazing.

01:20:14.660 I think it goes back to like the hunter gatherer where you, you haven't had food in a few days

01:20:19.980 and you get this fucking energy jolt from your system to go find food.

01:20:24.420 And after three days, I feel amazing.

01:20:28.140 I don't even need food.

01:20:29.880 And then just ease back into some stuff on day eight.

01:20:34.320 Uh, you know, but, but I love it.

01:20:37.660 I did some, uh, Ayurvedic stuff as well.

01:20:41.220 Um, like a 30 day Ayurvedic, uh, diet.

01:20:44.980 And that was incredible for my system.

01:20:46.500 What is that?

01:20:47.060 It's just eating, uh, uh, and, and doing, um, kind of a full body flush reset like they

01:20:54.780 do in, uh, in India.

01:20:56.100 It's their kind of way of doing medicine.

01:20:59.000 And man, that reset my entire system.

01:21:01.520 I lost, uh, I lost weight.

01:21:03.460 My, um, uh, my stomach lining changed for sure.

01:21:08.140 I went in being allergic to a lot of things and having like irritable bowel syndrome.

01:21:13.960 I came out of those 30 days with like, uh, no allergies, no, uh, indigestion, no irritable

01:21:20.160 bowel stuff.

01:21:21.380 And it just like flipped.

01:21:22.820 And I was, what were you eating for 30 days on this?

01:21:25.160 Just mostly Ayurvedic stuff.

01:21:26.220 So rice, lentils, um, there's no meat and I love, you know, meat and protein, but, um,

01:21:31.780 I'd be, uh, just a lot of, uh, lentils and rice and, uh, and vegetables.

01:21:38.480 What's a darkness?

01:21:42.120 Is it a fat, like retreat?

01:21:44.060 Yeah.

01:21:44.260 Retreat.

01:21:45.760 Well, you're just in a room about, uh, I don't know, a third of this size probably with a

01:21:50.820 little bathroom bathtub and, uh, can't see shit.

01:21:55.540 Like nothing?

01:21:56.180 Nothing.

01:21:56.720 Can't see anything.

01:21:57.760 You start hallucinating.

01:21:58.640 Like, uh, I did five nights, four days.

01:22:01.100 You start hallucinating like on the third day because your brain starts, uh, the DMT

01:22:05.720 starts getting activated.

01:22:06.900 Is it hard to text in that environment?

01:22:08.620 Yeah, very hard.

01:22:09.780 No.

01:22:10.280 So you're actually in total darkness.

01:22:12.520 Total darkness.

01:22:13.920 No concept for what time it is, especially after the first couple of days.

01:22:17.260 Cause you sleep so much the first night after that, you don't need to sleep hardly at

01:22:21.200 all.

01:22:21.380 Cause you have no stimulation for your eyes.

01:22:23.460 So you're not really tired.

01:22:24.760 You just kind of lay in there, uh, or moving around.

01:22:27.120 I was like, you know, didn't yoga, did long meditations, sat in the bath for a couple

01:22:30.940 hours.

01:22:31.380 It seemed like, I don't know, time was irrelevant, but a lot of great contemplation.

01:22:36.420 The bath.

01:22:36.880 So you like feeling your way to the bath.

01:22:39.100 Oh yeah.

01:22:39.760 And a lot of times you start hallucinating and seeing different shapes and doorways and

01:22:43.880 stuff.

01:22:44.180 And you just run into stuff all the time.

01:22:45.840 And, um, it's a, it's a, it's a, I think that's scarier than any drug.

01:22:52.280 I think I would be afraid to do that.

01:22:54.380 Yeah.

01:22:55.060 I am.

01:22:55.600 I'm glad I did it.

01:22:56.420 I don't need to do it again.

01:22:57.760 It's not like something I need to, I can't wait to do another darkness retreat.

01:23:01.020 It's like, no, I did that.

01:23:02.240 Uh, check that box.

01:23:03.560 That was cool.

01:23:04.820 Not going to do it again.

01:23:05.660 What did you think about?

01:23:06.660 Uh, I, I started each day with a meditation and just said, what do I want to contemplate

01:23:13.920 today?

01:23:14.340 So contemplated, uh, you know, relationships, family, and then two days was, uh, one was

01:23:22.340 I'm retired and one was I'm playing.

01:23:24.300 And so I went through all the insecurities around retirement and then, um, all the, uh,

01:23:30.480 fears around playing again and just really spent hours just like thinking through things

01:23:36.240 and anytime a negative thought would come in, just being curious about it and, uh, wondering

01:23:42.240 where that comes from, uh, if there's a root of that, is there something from childhood

01:23:46.780 that is involved in that fear and security?

01:23:49.220 And it was really, uh, really amazing for me just to the healing that happened.

01:23:54.700 And I came out really feeling comfortable either way, like not scared of retirement, not

01:24:00.120 scared of, of slipping into irrelevance.

01:24:03.480 I actually welcomed that, uh, not, uh, not worried about what the future looks like if

01:24:08.780 I don't play for the Packers anymore and I'm on a new team, um, and new guys, new city.

01:24:14.720 So it was really, uh, really meaningful and I'm really glad I did that.

01:24:17.920 Um, again, don't need to maybe do five days, four nights.

01:24:21.380 Um, but, uh, it was a good experience.

01:24:24.260 Have you done anything like that?

01:24:25.340 No, I've spent my whole life running away from stuff like that.

01:24:30.820 Um, but nobody even like can take a few minutes to get off their phone.

01:24:36.000 You know, you probably are better than most.

01:24:37.940 Oh, I definitely am.

01:24:38.760 No, I take a sauna every day for 20 minutes in silence.

01:24:41.980 But you, do you watch TV?

01:24:43.320 No, we don't have a TV.

01:24:44.180 Yeah, I have a TV.

01:24:45.720 That's a good way.

01:24:47.120 I like silence.

01:24:48.180 I don't like noise.

01:24:49.000 I don't actually watch any video at all ever.

01:24:51.300 And, um, but to be without in total darkness for five nights, you know, I don't know what

01:24:59.980 would happen.

01:25:00.720 Were you afraid at all?

01:25:02.060 No, but the weirdest thing was night one.

01:25:04.200 I had a bad dream, like a nightmare.

01:25:07.620 And when you're, uh, normally when you're at home, you have like a weird dream.

01:25:13.360 Something's off.

01:25:14.240 Maybe you see a feeling entity or just something's freaking out.

01:25:17.820 So what do you do?

01:25:18.920 You kind of wake up, orient yourself.

01:25:20.320 Okay, I'm on my bed.

01:25:21.140 I'm fine.

01:25:22.120 Here's this.

01:25:22.680 Maybe I can get up out of my bed, do something.

01:25:24.700 Okay, I'm okay.

01:25:25.760 And then you kind of are able to usually get back to sleep.

01:25:27.860 But in the darkness, what you see eyes closed is what you see eyes open.

01:25:32.440 So there was no escaping the, uh, the nightmare.

01:25:35.940 You wake up at 3am and got to take a leak.

01:25:37.820 How long does it take you to get to the John?

01:25:40.120 Um, five minutes.

01:25:42.020 For real?

01:25:43.280 Yeah.

01:25:43.500 Because you're just like, here's one step.

01:25:47.120 Here's one step.

01:25:48.120 And you're super disoriented.

01:25:49.260 You're just going really slow.

01:25:50.200 And I'm feeling around, feeling around, feeling around.

01:25:52.580 Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

01:25:54.020 Okay, there's the, this should be here.

01:25:56.000 Banging at something.

01:25:56.840 Yeah, this should be over here.

01:25:57.720 Okay, there.

01:25:58.280 Boom.

01:25:58.540 Here's a tiny little door.

01:25:59.740 Okay, get in.

01:26:01.000 Okay, now I got to, you know.

01:26:02.880 But I mean, you just, you're, you know, not really wearing clothes for the most part.

01:26:06.940 Just because you don't need to, you're just in complete darkness.

01:26:09.780 What's dinner like?

01:26:10.940 Well, the food is actually pretty good.

01:26:12.060 So once a day, the food came at six o'clock.

01:26:13.840 There was like a double-sided door.

01:26:15.480 So he'd put the food in one side, close it, then I'd open.

01:26:18.400 So there's no light.

01:26:19.380 And you just like, use your scent, like smell.

01:26:21.680 Be like, oh, that's, that's soup.

01:26:23.800 I'm having that for dinner.

01:26:24.560 Oh, here's, it was the food for the next day too.

01:26:26.200 So, okay, there's some apples.

01:26:27.500 I'm having that for breakfast.

01:26:28.380 Oh, here's some, uh, some mixed nuts.

01:26:31.040 I'm going to have that for lunch as a snack.

01:26:32.620 Oh, here's, what is this?

01:26:34.400 Oh, this is some sort of like pasta.

01:26:36.080 Okay, I'm going to have that for lunch tomorrow.

01:26:37.880 I was like, so you're kind of going through it and you just like, you have all the time

01:26:41.360 in the world.

01:26:42.460 So you just like savor every bite and just eat super slow.

01:26:46.620 And it's actually very meditative.

01:26:49.340 That part was cool.

01:26:57.620 I've done a lot of hallucinogenic drugs, not in many years, but I have when I was a child.

01:27:01.940 And, um, you know, no matter how weird it gets, you feel like, well, it's the drug,

01:27:07.640 you know, but when there's total silence and darkness, are you worried that you're going

01:27:13.640 to, something's going to rise up from within you and scare the crap out of you?

01:27:16.820 Um, not really.

01:27:17.820 Cause I, before that I had done, you know, ayahuasca multiple times, I'd done psilocybin

01:27:21.820 journeys.

01:27:22.980 Um, so I had, I figured out what it was like to surrender to a process or a ceremony.

01:27:29.760 So I kind of treated that the same way and just said, you know what, whatever comes up

01:27:33.740 is what's supposed to come up.

01:27:35.040 Like we say in doing ayahuasca, like the medicine will give you exactly what you need.

01:27:39.500 So I kind of took that attitude into the darkness and said, whatever comes up is what I need

01:27:43.120 in this moment.

01:27:43.860 So I'm just going to surrender to it.

01:27:45.660 And it's like, it's weird.

01:27:47.640 I'm not on my phone.

01:27:48.680 There's no distractions.

01:27:49.460 There's really no sound like every now and then, like in the afternoon, a plane would fly

01:27:54.240 by above.

01:27:55.660 And I was like, okay, it must be afternoon, you know?

01:27:58.260 And then at six o'clock, you knew it was six o'clock cause the dinner would come.

01:28:01.260 That's the only reference for time that you knew, but I just surrendered to the process

01:28:04.500 and said, I'm here for a reason.

01:28:06.540 I've paid for this.

01:28:07.980 So I might as well enjoy this experience.

01:28:10.780 And I did.

01:28:11.760 It was fun.

01:28:12.180 Did you feel like a medieval prisoner locked in a dungeon?

01:28:15.420 You weren't locked.

01:28:16.260 I could leave at any time I wanted.

01:28:17.940 So the door was open.

01:28:18.860 So if I wanted to leave.

01:28:20.060 Did anyone else make it five nights?

01:28:22.680 Yeah.

01:28:23.180 A lot of people.

01:28:23.800 And somebody was coming out actually when I was going in who had been 30 nights.

01:28:28.540 I could not believe that.

01:28:30.640 Cause I don't, I wouldn't want to do that.

01:28:32.180 I mean, like I think a 48 hour reset would be interesting, but even five days, four nights

01:28:38.760 was like, okay, that's enough.

01:28:40.560 You know, last day person look, I mean, I didn't see them, but I heard they were a little

01:28:44.460 bit depressed, which I can, I can imagine.

01:28:47.900 Are you kidding?

01:28:49.860 Yeah.

01:28:50.500 I heard your story on, uh, on Rogan though.

01:28:53.000 Like you definitely dabbled a little bit in, in some psychedelics.

01:28:56.240 Did you, was there, was there ever any like real major breakthroughs that like stuck

01:29:00.420 with you or was it a lot of just like tripping and going to, going to dead shows?

01:29:05.600 I mean, I was 15 years old, you know, it was a different country.

01:29:08.580 Um, and, uh, you know, there's just, it's so, so long ago and far away, it's hard to

01:29:13.920 believe it's real, but, um, yeah, for sure.

01:29:15.840 I mean, we, but that was like in the seventies, right?

01:29:18.180 Eighties.

01:29:18.580 Yeah.

01:29:19.240 Mid eighties.

01:29:19.880 And I just grew up in a world where drugs, certain drugs were much more, um, accepted

01:29:25.000 than they are now.

01:29:25.920 I'm not saying that's good, but, um, at all, but, uh, you know, different time, but yeah,

01:29:31.480 no, I did.

01:29:32.140 I've done a lot of that.

01:29:33.060 And I decided, I mean, a long time ago, you know, I haven't had an Advil in 22 years.

01:29:40.120 I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm the soberest man you'll ever meet, but, um, I was afraid.

01:29:46.240 I mean, one thing I learned was there's a lot of stuff swirling around inside you.

01:29:51.000 And that's why the darkness retreat really struck me because that would, you know, that

01:29:55.360 stuff would rise right to the surface and I'm not, you know, comfortable being in touch

01:30:00.540 with all of that.

01:30:01.340 And some of it is chaotic and scary, and it's not clear how much of it is from within and

01:30:06.040 how much of it is from without, you know, I didn't really believe in the unseen world

01:30:10.520 when I was doing stuff like that.

01:30:12.400 Uh, so I didn't really consider it, but I, yeah, I saw some very scary things and I was

01:30:17.760 like, don't want to do that again.

01:30:19.600 You know what I mean?

01:30:20.400 So actually I didn't get much out of it.

01:30:22.620 And I remember once, um, while taking LSD, I, when I was 15, I, you know, I was just too

01:30:30.740 young to be doing that anyway.

01:30:31.800 But I remember writing down like my profound thoughts, uh, as I was in the middle of this

01:30:37.780 very, very far out experience and they didn't make any sense.

01:30:41.460 In fact, I found them in my barn, in this building upstairs, like, you know, generations

01:30:47.220 of family stuff stored, um, a couple of summers ago when I was like, I got to go through these

01:30:52.620 boxes, you know, various diaries from deceased relatives and including my, my acid, uh, memoirs,

01:31:01.920 which were really banal and fragmentary.

01:31:05.720 Like, what does this even mean?

01:31:07.560 You know, I think I threw them away.

01:31:08.900 I want my kids seeing that.

01:31:10.160 But, um, no, I didn't have any breakthroughs.

01:31:12.500 I'll tell you the breakthrough for me was sobriety just because I partied too much.

01:31:17.160 So having to face things without a crutch, I felt really, and admit, you know, you're,

01:31:23.820 I think all growth and joy begins with admitting who you really are, being honest about yourself.

01:31:29.200 Yeah, I agree.

01:31:31.240 But I, darkness retreat would maybe too much honesty for me.

01:31:35.180 No, you never know.

01:31:36.140 So you said you thought about what your life would be like if you kept playing once or another

01:31:41.700 team or if you retired.

01:31:44.600 I mean, at some point you're going to retire, right?

01:31:48.100 What, what are you going to do?

01:31:52.520 I'm going to take a few deep breaths and relax a little bit.

01:31:55.440 I think, um, I've been doing this for 25 years, uh, playing football, uh, 20 this year

01:32:03.420 in the NFL.

01:32:04.660 Um, I've been mildly famous, uh, for the last, uh, you know, 20 or so, 21, I guess.

01:32:12.980 Um, you know, I'd like to, to, to take a step back and just, you know, enjoy life in a different

01:32:20.720 way and I'd like to, uh, be a father at some point and take on that, uh, that chapter in

01:32:27.460 life.

01:32:28.520 Um, which is exciting to me, but, uh.

01:32:31.920 How hard is it to date when you're as famous as you are?

01:32:35.580 Oh, it's, it can be hard.

01:32:37.120 Yeah, it can be hard for sure.

01:32:38.240 But I think in general, um, you know, you become a pretty good judge of character over

01:32:44.800 the years when you make mistakes and trust the wrong people and, uh, whether it's business

01:32:49.700 or personal life, um, you know, you can sniff some things out pretty quickly, I think, but

01:32:55.200 you never know.

01:32:56.100 And, and, you know, you, you might, you're soulmate when you're 15, right?

01:33:00.440 Yeah.

01:33:01.220 Um, the most beautiful thing about that, uh, which is the hardest thing about relationships

01:33:05.420 in general that I've seen with my friends is how do you grow together?

01:33:09.320 That's right.

01:33:09.740 You know, because you're a different person, 15, 20, 25, 30, 55, you know, but finding

01:33:15.440 someone who's willing to like grow with you and being what you're into and that you have

01:33:19.720 your own separate life, which is beautiful and big and full, and then you can come together

01:33:24.220 and not having to find you like full identity in that other person I think is really important.

01:33:28.220 So, you know, it's just trying to, to do all those things.

01:33:31.320 I've really just been trying to work on myself and, and, and ready myself, uh, because I've,

01:33:36.560 you know, been way too codependent in relationships in the past where I've kind of lost myself

01:33:41.820 to like hold onto this idea of what I think a relationship is.

01:33:44.660 And it's just not, it hasn't been sustainable for me.

01:33:47.720 Um, but I'm, I'm confident that there'll be, there'll be a time when that, uh, when that

01:33:51.680 comes, comes together.

01:33:53.000 And until then I'll just, uh, just be enjoying myself.

01:33:57.260 Since you spent the majority of your life famous at this point, what do you, what do

01:34:01.420 you think of that?

01:34:02.280 What do you think of being famous?

01:34:04.200 It has its pluses for sure.

01:34:06.400 Um, it's not ever anything I signed up for.

01:34:09.360 I just love to play football.

01:34:10.780 Yep.

01:34:11.280 And my fame grew really around the same time we won the Superbowl and then I did a state

01:34:18.320 farm commercial and I, it's actually true.

01:34:21.240 It's like, it's funny, but it's true.

01:34:22.400 Like, uh, I became the state farm guy at the same time I became a Superbowl champion

01:34:28.160 and an MVP ultimately.

01:34:29.880 Um, and my life from 2011 on just really took a whole different change before that I was

01:34:34.700 recognizable.

01:34:35.640 I would say after that I was famous and I was like the famous football player, also

01:34:40.540 ad man pitch guy for state farm.

01:34:43.300 Um, so more people knew me and I love my privacy and that got totally kind of taken away.

01:34:50.140 So there was, so I went through, I don't know if you felt like this, but I've definitely

01:34:53.900 gone through phases of being a recluse for sure.

01:34:56.300 I just don't want to go out.

01:34:57.440 Don't want to see anybody.

01:34:59.140 Um, and I don't really like that.

01:35:00.880 I mean, I am introverted in general, but I, I love people.

01:35:03.500 I love like my routine and I felt like I got so just scared of not having my privacy or

01:35:10.260 just like annoyed that I just stopped doing things that I enjoy doing and I just didn't

01:35:14.040 really like doing that.

01:35:15.020 So now I do exactly what I want to do when I want to do it and, and try and have a little

01:35:19.940 bit of sense of humor with, with some of the reactions that come from people or situations

01:35:24.660 where I can't just have privacy and just find a little more humor in it.

01:35:28.400 It seems to transmute some of the frustration and fear into, into joy in those moments.

01:35:32.860 What about you?

01:35:33.580 I mean, you've.

01:35:34.620 Oh, I could write a book on it.

01:35:36.340 Yeah.

01:35:36.640 I'm not into it at all, but yeah, you can definitely become a recluse for sure.

01:35:40.780 Some people though in your business and my business kind of signed up for it.

01:35:44.540 That's what they want.

01:35:45.120 Those are the saddest of all people.

01:35:48.280 You want to be famous.

01:35:49.420 You want to be loved by people who've never met you.

01:35:51.300 Plus like kids these days are saying, what do you want to be when you grow up?

01:35:53.840 It's not a fireman or athlete or something.

01:35:56.220 It's famous or an influencer.

01:35:59.560 Well, to influence people, I think is a great honor and.

01:36:03.860 But that's not what they're talking about.

01:36:04.780 And can be a joy.

01:36:05.860 Yes.

01:36:06.160 Right.

01:36:06.640 But to be well known is no, of course it's a nightmare.

01:36:10.280 There's no upside whatsoever.

01:36:11.460 And if you find that important, then you're a hollow, sad person.

01:36:15.980 That's like, what do you, what is, you know.

01:36:18.600 But who, I mean, one thing I noticed about famous people I've always noticed is, having

01:36:22.300 spent a lot of time around them for the last 30 years, is they all know each other.

01:36:26.000 You ever notice that?

01:36:26.940 Yes.

01:36:28.620 Yeah, there's a knowing.

01:36:29.680 I think you kind of know what the other, what that person's going through.

01:36:32.560 So there's a base level of like, oh, we kind of know how to navigate this life

01:36:37.600 in a similar fashion.

01:36:38.740 So there's like that, there's that just closeness, I think, that comes with initial

01:36:44.560 meaning of like, oh, we probably have similar experiences.

01:36:49.120 So there's like that connection kind of off the bat with that.

01:36:55.300 I mean, I'm sure you feel, you feel that.

01:36:57.640 Yeah, I have a big family, so that really helps.

01:37:00.960 So, yeah, I don't have that many famous friends, but some.

01:37:05.000 But I.

01:37:05.480 I don't know.

01:37:05.840 I was looking at your board over here.

01:37:07.860 Well, I've had a lot of, a lot of people in this barn.

01:37:11.040 But when you're going through, like, for example, when you tested positive for Rona and, and then

01:37:18.080 you admitted that you were part of the despised, unvaxxed.

01:37:21.760 Yeah.

01:37:22.160 You were a criminal.

01:37:24.380 Immunized.

01:37:25.740 Immunized.

01:37:26.140 And the world just like comes down on your head.

01:37:29.060 Yeah.

01:37:29.840 And your agent, I don't know if your sponsors are calling you, maybe.

01:37:32.900 Yes, they are.

01:37:33.520 Of course they are, right?

01:37:34.980 And I'm sure the league is calling you and you're just under bombardment.

01:37:39.800 Who do you talk to about?

01:37:41.140 Is there, do you have people in your life who can buck you up?

01:37:45.080 You have a great support system.

01:37:46.300 Um, I think it, the last couple of years, and I'm sure you feel the same way, but the

01:37:51.780 last 10 years, but every year it seems to get even smaller, but the circle kind of constricts

01:37:56.740 a little bit.

01:37:57.160 And there's just, there's less people who know exactly what's going on.

01:38:00.780 Yeah.

01:38:01.140 And there's just a really tight knit group of.

01:38:03.400 Yes.

01:38:03.700 The inside of the inside.

01:38:04.740 And there's a beautiful group outside of that who you love and you talk to and you

01:38:08.700 spend some time with, but they don't know everything and, and, and they don't get to

01:38:12.940 because there's just certain things that's only meant for a really small group of people.

01:38:16.880 And I love that.

01:38:18.020 And so those people are my rocks and they're not yes people.

01:38:22.380 They're people that can tell me exactly what's going on and what I need to hear, not what

01:38:26.300 I want to hear.

01:38:27.620 Um, but there's a really small group.

01:38:29.240 So you keep the ass kissers out of your life.

01:38:31.260 Yeah.

01:38:32.700 There's a lot of them.

01:38:33.800 Oh, I know.

01:38:34.740 Yeah.

01:38:35.140 They want to be involved.

01:38:36.620 Would you rather be attacked to your face or flattered to your face?

01:38:43.560 Probably flattered.

01:38:46.320 You're an honest man.

01:38:48.500 You know, attacked.

01:38:49.620 It's like, you know, because you, we were talking about this last night about, you know, like

01:38:54.220 we can be in situations where you can't just have a normal conversation with somebody who

01:38:58.660 disagrees with you.

01:38:59.340 Right.

01:38:59.600 A lot of times it's that person's filming it or somebody else filming it or they're

01:39:03.480 shit talking to you and they want to get a reaction out of you.

01:39:06.200 So those, you know, I don't shy away from those and I don't, those don't like get under

01:39:11.820 my skin.

01:39:12.360 Actually, I find those comical, but I'd much rather have somebody.

01:39:16.160 Do you get that like when at dinner, when you go out to restaurants?

01:39:18.200 Um, no, not really.

01:39:19.260 I think most people that, that, uh, I do say this, like, and I feel confident in this,

01:39:25.580 like the majority of people that want to censor me, cancel me, shame me, shit talk me.

01:39:31.320 If they got to know me, I think would have a different opinion of me.

01:39:35.760 And I hear this from a, from actually a lot of people who are like, man, you're just so

01:39:38.960 much different than I thought.

01:39:40.360 What do they think you're like?

01:39:41.620 Well, they get to the image from mainstream media or from two disgruntled teammates that

01:39:47.540 I'm some sort of like overly arrogant, narcissistic prick.

01:39:51.200 And then when you get to know me, it's like, oh, you're not really any of those things,

01:39:55.620 um, that you've been painted as because you have to have a villain and you're the villain

01:40:00.020 now because you stood up to the government and you're not, you know, bought and paid for

01:40:05.280 and beholden to all these other things.

01:40:07.380 And you're not quiet about your beliefs.

01:40:10.120 Um, so I think that's usually the common, uh, perception and then the common reaction.

01:40:15.500 I hear from a lot of people, people who don't even actually agree with me, um, or who thought

01:40:20.740 about me a lot of times a certain way, uh, often we'll say, man, I really enjoyed this

01:40:25.700 time together, this dinner, this conversation.

01:40:27.660 And, and you're different than I thought.

01:40:29.740 I'm always like, thanks, I guess.

01:40:32.620 Low expectations, you know, high deliverables.

01:40:35.320 I thought you were an asshole.

01:40:36.760 Yeah.

01:40:37.060 By the way, I'm sorry.

01:40:38.220 I totally forgot this.

01:40:39.980 Our producers put all this stuff.

01:40:41.700 I haven't even looked at any of it.

01:40:43.440 They found this, which just amused the hell out of me.

01:40:46.440 Remember how they were saying Ivermectin was horse dewormer.

01:40:50.740 I'm pretty sure I took Ivermectin.

01:40:52.540 Horse paste.

01:40:53.060 Horse paste.

01:40:53.840 This actually is.

01:40:56.000 It's horse paste.

01:40:57.200 Duramectin, Ivermectin paste for oral use in horses only, though it does look like rectal

01:41:01.780 use.

01:41:02.240 Nice.

01:41:03.080 That's the Ivermectin dispenser.

01:41:05.060 I love that.

01:41:05.960 I love that.

01:41:08.220 I'm going to keep that on the bar right behind you just to see if.

01:41:11.340 Let's get a little shadow box.

01:41:12.720 Let's get a little box for it to put up on the wall.

01:41:15.040 That'd be awesome.

01:41:16.120 So what do your teammates think of all this stuff?

01:41:19.080 Most of all, most of them are really interested.

01:41:20.660 I try and share a lot of my experiences, especially my failures as a young player, because I want

01:41:28.420 to help these guys not make the same mistakes.

01:41:30.460 So whether it's failure in hiring the wrong manager, agent, or financial people, or just

01:41:35.900 not be involved in my business as a young person.

01:41:38.920 Some of these guys involve a lot of family members to handle really important parts of

01:41:43.120 their jobs.

01:41:43.960 So just sharing my experiences with those guys is important.

01:41:46.100 Like don't hire your drunk cousin.

01:41:47.740 Yeah.

01:41:48.260 Like, you know, maybe keep family and business separate as much as you can, unless, you know,

01:41:52.160 your family member is like a certified, you know, accountant or something, a lawyer or

01:41:56.340 something, you trust them.

01:41:57.300 Like, I think it's always best to kind of, you know, keep some distance between friendship

01:42:00.260 and business too.

01:42:01.260 It's always, can get a little bit dicey at times.

01:42:03.960 I made many mistakes doing that and try and share those experiences with them.

01:42:07.840 So my life, you know, publicly, the things I talk about now as we're shifting, you know,

01:42:13.600 four years from, you know, three years, I guess, from COVID is more around plant medicine.

01:42:18.860 So they're very interested in that, interested in ayahuasca and psilocybin and the effects

01:42:23.820 and the fears.

01:42:24.780 And they have a lot of the same fears that most people have around a bad trip, a bad journey,

01:42:29.880 a bad time.

01:42:31.840 And so it's fun to have those conversations.

01:42:33.780 Many people have reached out wanting to set up their own journeys, their own trips, just

01:42:37.800 learn more about it.

01:42:40.220 You know, I'm an avid reader as well.

01:42:42.220 So there are people, you know, checking me about, you know, books to read and recommend.

01:42:47.160 And so I love doing that with some of my teammates.

01:42:49.060 And so I might start them with the alchemist, start with that one, and maybe send them to

01:42:52.020 a crack hour book or send them to a self-help book or something, or maybe a book about

01:42:56.320 medicine.

01:42:56.740 But yeah, I just, we joked, there was a group of us in the corner of the locker room that

01:43:03.680 we kind of called the brain trust.

01:43:05.360 So we'd, the four of us start talking, you'd see like somebody come pull the chair up, another

01:43:09.000 guy would come over and pull it, you know, like next, you know, there's like 10 guys just

01:43:11.980 kind of listening to what we're talking about.

01:43:13.460 And guys are eager to learn, people from all different types of backgrounds and walks of

01:43:17.680 life.

01:43:18.040 And that's a lot of fun.

01:43:20.160 You know, I think to be relatable to those guys, you got to first share your failures,

01:43:24.060 you know, share.

01:43:24.600 For sure.

01:43:25.160 Share, you know, the things you wish you'd done differently.

01:43:27.760 And, and it's like, I'm, I would guess it's like a parent where you don't want to save

01:43:31.680 them from everything, but, but you'd like to stop them from making, you know, big mistakes

01:43:36.800 that could really affect their life down the road.

01:43:39.480 Some, some lessons they got to learn on their own, but there's some things that I've fucked

01:43:42.920 up on that I love to share with the guys so they don't make the same mistakes that I

01:43:46.300 did.

01:43:46.880 Are you going to miss it?

01:43:48.400 Yeah, for sure.

01:43:49.780 I miss the guys like going to derbies last weekend.

01:43:52.060 And the best part, and with all respect to the horses and Churchill downs and a lot of

01:43:56.620 stuff, the real point of the trip is, is the camaraderie with the guys.

01:44:00.320 And as most guys I played with and a lot of guys, I only see maybe once or twice a year.

01:44:04.860 And this is kind of one of those events.

01:44:06.240 And like, we just share stories and laugh about the same stuff and catch up on family

01:44:11.380 and kids and, and injuries and body and health and the newest hacks that they're working on.

01:44:17.320 And one of our guys, you know, who is my center for a long time, Corey, and he played at like

01:44:21.580 305 pounds.

01:44:22.640 Now he weighs 235.

01:44:24.020 So like seeing him healthy is awesome.

01:44:26.280 And talking to him about his life, he's got four kids now and a beautiful wife.

01:44:29.880 And that's the fun part is just seeing these guys once or twice a year and just like keeping

01:44:33.740 that close bond.

01:44:35.400 Is it weird to be the last guy standing?

01:44:37.000 It is weird.

01:44:38.080 I mean, you're the last guy from your year, right?

01:44:40.000 I'm the last guy from my year.

01:44:41.080 I'm the last guy in that group.

01:44:42.980 That's the big group that's playing.

01:44:45.440 Devante Adams was with us and Devante is still playing.

01:44:47.780 It's going to his 10th season.

01:44:49.180 But yeah, like all the guys that came in the league are gone.

01:44:52.620 I, you know.

01:44:53.180 Like long gone.

01:44:54.120 Long gone.

01:44:55.060 But I, and I transcend a lot of stuff.

01:44:57.240 Like we had dinner Saturday night and a few of some young guys came over and one of the

01:45:02.320 guys was Ray Lewis, his son.

01:45:04.300 And to tell a kid who's not a kid, he's in his twenties.

01:45:08.460 Like I played against your dad.

01:45:10.420 That feels kind of weird.

01:45:11.580 Yeah.

01:45:11.720 That is weird.

01:45:12.320 Yeah.

01:45:12.760 It's crazy.

01:45:13.720 What's the truth about CTE?

01:45:17.720 The truth is our sport is dangerous.

01:45:19.880 Well, yeah.

01:45:20.680 Yeah.

01:45:21.320 The truth of our sport is dangerous.

01:45:22.660 Um, the truth is that, uh, there's minor brain injuries that happen every single game.

01:45:29.780 I would assume there's collisions.

01:45:31.220 It's a collision sport.

01:45:33.160 And I think it's important that we really pay attention to, uh, how our bodies are responding.

01:45:38.120 The league is, uh, and the agreement with the players has gotten better every single collective

01:45:43.420 bargaining agreement, which I think I've been a part of three now where, uh, they've done

01:45:48.880 a better job of taking care of older players.

01:45:50.580 But back in the day, even when I was a young player, you get dinged in the head, Hey, just

01:45:56.060 let it clear where you see stars.

01:45:57.600 Oh, that's fine.

01:45:58.080 Like far, if he talked about all the concussions that he had, he's had, he would never come

01:46:02.120 out.

01:46:02.420 It was just like, Oh yeah, dang, you're seeing stars.

01:46:04.100 That's fine.

01:46:04.380 Just like, let it pass and go back in there.

01:46:07.000 Have some more Gatorade.

01:46:07.980 Yeah.

01:46:08.320 Yeah.

01:46:08.440 Yeah.

01:46:10.180 About that.

01:46:11.400 Um, but I think we're doing a better job of, uh, of safety and the, you know, equipment's

01:46:17.160 better.

01:46:17.440 The helmets are better.

01:46:18.640 The diagnosis are better.

01:46:19.780 Um, are people worried about it?

01:46:22.200 Do you think younger players?

01:46:23.340 I don't think, uh, I don't think so.

01:46:26.820 Not, not, not many of them.

01:46:28.680 I think more people are worried about, uh, their own health and some of the, uh, you know,

01:46:33.880 meds that are given out.

01:46:35.040 Like there was a med problem in the league for a while.

01:46:37.720 Guys used to get, it was easy to get, uh, Vicodins, Percocets, that kind of stuff.

01:46:41.640 Um, then there was an issue, uh, at one of the teams and they kind of changed the policy,

01:46:46.600 which is better now.

01:46:47.760 But, um, that was an issue.

01:46:49.700 I think, uh, some of the addiction to some of that stuff that, uh, I, some of my teammates

01:46:54.160 had, um,

01:46:55.660 Do you remember that time?

01:46:56.620 Oh, yeah.

01:46:57.220 Yeah.

01:46:57.980 I remember a teammate of mine who was so addicted, uh, to Percocet that he had to be

01:47:02.200 put under anesthesia to have his, uh, surgically repaired knee, uh, moved.

01:47:07.640 That was wild.

01:47:10.580 And that was, uh, that was not abnormal.

01:47:13.080 There were a lot of people that were.

01:47:14.580 Why?

01:47:14.860 Cause it, it had dulled his.

01:47:17.080 Yes.

01:47:17.480 His pain tolerance.

01:47:18.400 Yeah.

01:47:18.500 It was just like he had to, you know, he had to give so many meds to like be able to,

01:47:23.700 uh, to be moved.

01:47:25.620 It was wild.

01:47:26.480 Did he recover?

01:47:27.780 Not really.

01:47:30.160 I mean, he has, he since has now and he's, and he's doing, he's doing really good and he's

01:47:33.740 been sober for a while, but, um, but that's an issue.

01:47:36.640 There's a, there's a, there's a really bad stat that, that, uh, they used to, it was a

01:47:40.520 scare tactic, but it's true back in the day.

01:47:42.500 It said that, uh, within three years, 75% of NFL players, uh, uh, three years post-retirement

01:47:48.160 will be, uh, broke, uh, divorced or unemployed.

01:47:51.880 Um, and a lot of times it's multiple of those three.

01:47:55.300 And I see it a lot because you're living this life.

01:47:57.740 You're making a ton of money.

01:47:59.440 Uh, that money train dries up.

01:48:02.240 Uh, you maybe don't have a ton of life skills or haven't spent time in the league.

01:48:06.240 Like planning for your post-career stuff, or don't have the money to just like coast.

01:48:10.440 Uh, like I could, and some of the people by a long time could, and then, you know, there's,

01:48:15.140 there's marital issues that, uh, um, you know, that, that happened all, you know, and it's

01:48:20.340 a very sad statistic.

01:48:21.860 Um, the league, you know, tries to do some things to kind of promote, uh, second career

01:48:27.240 stuff and financial literacy.

01:48:28.940 But, um, a lot of it's on the guys to learn on their own.

01:48:32.420 And if you don't have the right people advising you, it's, you know, I've seen a lot of my

01:48:36.160 former friends, you know, go through some, uh, some crisis in their twenties because the

01:48:41.220 average career is three years.

01:48:42.260 Now you're, you know, you're 26, 27.

01:48:44.960 Again, you're have no job.

01:48:47.100 You may or may not have graduated from college, but who knows how many people actually lose,

01:48:52.200 use the degree now anyway, from college.

01:48:53.860 I mean, college is ridiculous.

01:48:55.260 It's, you know, it's, you know, but you've no skills other than the game.

01:48:58.540 Yeah.

01:48:59.060 And now they're trying to figure out what to do.

01:49:01.180 Um, so it's pretty, and, and they got married to the wrong person along the way.

01:49:06.400 Possibly.

01:49:07.260 Yeah.

01:49:07.620 Or just like, you know, 50% of marriages at this point or more and in divorce anyway.

01:49:13.500 So, um, when the, you know, who knows?

01:49:16.600 I mean, there's not blaming, uh, not wife shaming here.

01:49:20.180 There's no, no, I get it.

01:49:21.340 I get it.

01:49:21.780 But I mean, it's again, back to the fame question.

01:49:25.760 If a woman is coming at you because you're famous, that's not a good basis for a marriage.

01:49:33.240 No, no, it's not.

01:49:34.640 And, you know, there's, there's some guys who, um, you know, haven't, uh, you know,

01:49:42.420 I've made some rough decisions too with having kids and multiple women.

01:49:45.580 And, um, you know, some of those were bad decisions by the men.

01:49:49.860 Some of those are women, you know, who, you know, saw a millionaire football player and

01:49:55.640 wanted to, you know, be taken care of for a while.

01:49:58.180 Both of those are true.

01:50:00.080 Um, so sometimes that is something you take with you in the game where now you have a

01:50:03.940 couple, you know, kids out there that you're taking care of for many years and you don't

01:50:08.420 have the same type of money coming in.

01:50:09.720 So now there's financial issues with some of the, you know, child support that you should

01:50:12.980 and, and do pay.

01:50:14.800 Um, so guys, there's a lot of mistakes that are made and some you can rectify and get

01:50:20.460 through and some, you know, make, make life a little more difficult if you're not able

01:50:24.180 to play like me 20 years and, and, you know, don't have any financial issues or any kid

01:50:28.900 issues or any stuff like that.

01:50:31.960 You said, um, that you started to realize that a lot of what we take for granted is actually

01:50:38.980 untrue.

01:50:39.760 And, and some of this by this, I mean, our civilization is built on lies.

01:50:45.000 Yep.

01:50:46.200 You started to figure that out in high school.

01:50:47.720 So what do you think, but, but you also said you're in favor of just disclosing, like the

01:50:52.860 government should tell everything it knows.

01:50:55.260 If it did that, if we actually learned the truth about everything, various wars that we've

01:51:02.780 had, assassinations that we've had, our economy, like what would happen?

01:51:07.700 The government thinks things would fall apart.

01:51:09.700 People would just be so overwhelmed and so disgusted that they wouldn't believe in the government.

01:51:13.760 They would, I don't know, become nihilists or something like, what do you think would happen?

01:51:17.460 If we actually knew the truth about everything.

01:51:19.000 Well, I don't think that's the worst thing.

01:51:20.640 I mean, if you, if you're making decisions based on what's the worst that could happen

01:51:27.660 in this case, um, I think there'd be a ton of people actually connecting and finding common

01:51:35.480 ground because it'd be a common enemy.

01:51:38.960 You know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

01:51:41.940 That's right.

01:51:42.620 Right.

01:51:42.820 And I think it'd be fascinating to watch the structures we put so much trust in just crumble.

01:51:52.220 And I think a lot of that needs to happen, whether that's in one disclosure, one fell

01:51:56.800 swoop or, or over the years, um, it is kind of wild though, that we still can't release

01:52:01.820 the JFK files.

01:52:02.720 And we're, that happened in 1963, we're 60, what, 61 years this November.

01:52:07.720 Yeah.

01:52:08.060 Um, Pfizer tried to release their files in 75 years.

01:52:11.720 Initially, that's what they asked.

01:52:13.540 You know, they're, they're, they're, they're testing stuff.

01:52:16.320 75 years.

01:52:17.200 They want, um, disclosure on the UFO stuff was supposed to happen many times.

01:52:23.100 Right.

01:52:23.480 Trump.

01:52:23.920 Most recently last year.

01:52:25.000 Trump supposedly saw it and then decided not to release it.

01:52:28.600 Right.

01:52:29.740 Or was that the JFK stuff he was talking about?

01:52:32.280 Both.

01:52:32.600 Yeah.

01:52:33.320 And Biden, everything's gotten pushed back.

01:52:35.580 Um, I don't know.

01:52:36.940 I think in order for us to, to advance as society, there has to be in this age of Aquarius, there

01:52:43.180 has to be disclosure.

01:52:44.160 I mean, for you, you had to be privy living in Washington, working, you know, for Fox, being

01:52:50.400 the top guy there, stuff that not everybody knows.

01:52:53.960 And you probably know more than the common person, but how much did you encounter?

01:52:59.080 You don't have to get specific is stuff that you don't think the American public could handle

01:53:03.420 that, you know, or that you believe.

01:53:06.480 Um, I mean, I agree with you a hundred percent.

01:53:09.520 And I thought that was so nicely put and so smart that if you knew the truth, your belief

01:53:16.020 in lies, of course, would evaporate.

01:53:17.720 You'd no longer believe the liars and that's not a bad thing, but that you would be united

01:53:22.380 much more than we are now with your fellow Americans.

01:53:26.220 And I think that's a really, that's a wonderful way to look at it.

01:53:29.260 I think that's absolutely right.

01:53:30.480 Yeah.

01:53:30.600 I said enemy of my enemy, but it's like, I'm not enemies with, uh, you know, a Democrat

01:53:36.120 or Republican.

01:53:36.760 I get it.

01:53:36.980 I'm not enemies with somebody that has different skin color.

01:53:39.560 I totally get it.

01:53:39.940 I think of that about race all the time.

01:53:41.660 But they put us against each other.

01:53:42.220 Of course.

01:53:43.080 They want to divide it.

01:53:43.780 I, you know, if you watch the media, I've, I've thought of this a couple of years ago,

01:53:48.820 they're always calling me racist, white supremacist.

01:53:51.000 When you ever bother me that much.

01:53:52.620 Cause I'm not, you know, I didn't care at all about that, but I didn't really want to

01:53:58.020 be called a racist because that's awful.

01:53:59.780 You know, it's awful to be a racist.

01:54:00.960 So, um, but then it stopped bothering me, but I was left with the feeling, man, there's

01:54:06.220 a lot of racial tension in this country.

01:54:07.900 And there's clearly some, but I got to tell you in the last, I don't know, 10 years, I've

01:54:13.360 never, I've not had one black person confront me about being a racist.

01:54:17.220 Not one, not a single time.

01:54:19.540 And I've also not heard people like angry about race in my personal life.

01:54:24.520 Maybe it's just me.

01:54:25.460 I think there's a lot less race hate than we're told there is much less.

01:54:30.000 I think most people kind of get along with each other, actually, in this country.

01:54:33.380 I believe that.

01:54:35.120 And I, it's very clear to me that they're doing this on purpose, the people in charge

01:54:39.820 in order to keep us divided and angry and confused.

01:54:43.340 So I agree with you, um, that disclosure would have that effect in my specific case.

01:54:48.840 I feel like I've learned probably too much about a couple of topics because by the way,

01:54:55.200 there's some things that I can't prove that I believe to be true.

01:54:57.240 So I don't repeat them.

01:54:58.320 Um, but you know, the UAP stuff, I, some of it is really distressing to me, what I believe

01:55:05.300 to be true, but I can't prove it.

01:55:07.600 But, um, as I've said before, I think it's spiritual.

01:55:10.500 I think some of these things are dark, anti-human, um, probably some aren't, but you know, I.

01:55:19.820 Do you think because there's, there's potential anti-human, uh, properties that there's actually

01:55:25.520 pro-human supernatural?

01:55:27.080 Well, I think God's, I think God's real for sure.

01:55:30.980 And as, you know, evil flourishes, you also see it's, it's obverse.

01:55:37.240 You see good at work.

01:55:38.120 You see God at work.

01:55:38.880 I do in my life all the time in a way that I didn't say five years ago.

01:55:42.500 I wasn't thinking like that at all.

01:55:43.880 I'm a very secular person who grew up in a very secular world.

01:55:47.160 Unlike you, I did not grow up in any recognizable church at all.

01:55:51.760 And so, um, I had none of those assumptions, but no, I, I think it's, uh, you know, in bad

01:56:00.120 times like this one, there are miraculous and heartening moments.

01:56:03.880 And I like, see that all the time.

01:56:06.560 If we learned everything that the government is hiding from us, what would you be most interested

01:56:12.100 in learning about?

01:56:13.360 Well, I mean, JFK for sure.

01:56:15.020 Yeah.

01:56:15.260 I want to, I want to see those files cause that's what got me into it.

01:56:18.380 But, um, I think the UAP thing.

01:56:24.720 Would you be shocked to learn that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself?

01:56:27.540 No.

01:56:29.480 I mean, how many, how many Jeffrey Epstein type people are out there?

01:56:33.140 Well, that's right.

01:56:34.100 That's the real question.

01:56:35.820 You mean people who've been killed, who've been killed or people who are using sex as a

01:56:40.000 blackmail tool?

01:56:40.920 That.

01:56:41.700 Yep.

01:56:41.960 And then who's pulling the strings on that?

01:56:45.260 Any guesses?

01:56:48.680 Well, Ghislaine Maxwell has a lot of ties to the Mossad.

01:56:52.220 Yep.

01:56:53.400 That would make sense.

01:56:54.960 I mean, Jeffrey didn't seem to get some of the appointments he was given in the prominence

01:56:59.500 based on merit.

01:57:00.900 Somebody was putting him in the right spots.

01:57:04.860 Um, but I don't think he's the only one.

01:57:07.320 I think there's, I think there's a problem, a weird, bizarre problem really that has a weird

01:57:14.120 sex component to it, um, with some of the elites and there's a pedophile component to it as well,

01:57:21.240 which is, which is really sick.

01:57:22.860 And there's, you know, some prominent figures, uh, you know, who are in the spotlight as of,

01:57:31.320 as of late.

01:57:32.160 Um, I just, I would like that to be, to be exposed, but Jeffrey Epstein had the goods on everybody.

01:57:39.960 So there were a lot of people that didn't want him to be alive.

01:57:42.020 And then the whole, you know, wild story around, you know, multiple people being asleep and,

01:57:48.380 you know, him not being watched at the time is real convenient.

01:57:52.580 And I just don't believe in that many coincidences.

01:57:54.820 No, no, no, no.

01:57:55.280 He was, he was murdered in, in federal detention in Manhattan.

01:57:58.800 I don't think there's any question about that.

01:58:00.700 And people lied about it, including the, the then attorney general of the United States.

01:58:04.680 I think there's some weird, uh, correlations between the, and, and anomalies that,

01:58:10.640 you know, the Johnny Depp trial had eyes on it, crazy coverage.

01:58:14.980 And the Ghislaine Maxwell trial had next to no coverage, no TV coverage, no common,

01:58:20.680 no nightly commentary about it.

01:58:22.820 No traffic to nobody.

01:58:24.740 I mean, they literally got, she is indicted for trafficking kids and nobody who she was

01:58:30.540 trafficking kids to got indicted or named.

01:58:33.460 Yeah.

01:58:34.960 And, and all the files that are out there haven't still haven't been released.

01:58:38.060 We have one testimony from one, uh, victim.

01:58:42.660 That's all we have.

01:58:43.820 When that came out, this is literally like one victim.

01:58:47.080 And there's hundreds of just in that little, who flew on the Lolita express.

01:58:53.380 And there's a lot of super prominent names who are on the flight logs.

01:58:57.440 What do you, what's the sex thing about?

01:59:08.420 Uh, I mean, you've been in famous guy world for a long time and you're from, like me,

01:59:13.080 you're from California.

01:59:13.940 So obviously you've been around well-known cultural figures.

01:59:18.540 Um, the elites, have you, how long have you thought this, that, that sex plays a role?

01:59:25.220 Well, not, not that long.

01:59:27.960 I mean, I, I've just kind of, uh, you know, I've seen some interesting things.

01:59:34.740 I bet you have, um, been around some interesting parties and gatherings that are strange.

01:59:42.020 Um, not anything like what it sounds like, uh, you know, a ditty party.

01:59:46.960 Um, but just even at, you know, an Oscar party, just seeing how some of these people act was

01:59:54.320 always very, a little bit strange.

01:59:55.980 I just never resonated with it.

01:59:57.120 It was almost like interesting people watching, but there always seemed like there was parties

02:00:01.760 from the, within the party, people kind of doing their own thing.

02:00:05.200 Um, that always kind of weird me out a little bit, but, uh, but getting into conspiracy stuff,

02:00:11.560 then you know about secret society stuff and like stuff like the Bohemian Grove and you know,

02:00:16.120 what Nixon said about the Bohemian Grove and what did he say?

02:00:20.060 Well, you have to go look at his quote.

02:00:21.820 His quote is not exactly, uh, you know, there's some, they're all gay, right?

02:00:26.720 Something like that.

02:00:27.340 That's basically what he said.

02:00:28.300 Yeah.

02:00:28.460 Um, and the secrecy around that, and there's, that's not the only secret society.

02:00:33.640 There's a lot of really interesting secret societies, not just like the skull and bones

02:00:37.460 at Yale, which has produced all those presidents and the, and the, you know, Freemasonry at its

02:00:42.480 highest level.

02:00:43.140 And, um, there is a sexual component, I think, to a lot of that.

02:00:47.600 Um, obviously with Epstein, it was blackmail to get them to do what they want.

02:00:52.540 I mean, how many people are compromised by that, that are in positions of power today?

02:00:57.460 I think you're naive to think it's none.

02:01:00.580 And you said it on the podcast with Joe, the scary part for those people is that, um, and

02:01:07.480 for us, you know, is they could, you know, put some on your computer to cancel you.

02:01:11.860 They could set you up for something.

02:01:13.740 Oh, of course.

02:01:14.720 Thankfully me, I've, I don't watch porn.

02:01:17.720 Uh, you know, I've never been into any weird kinky stuff.

02:01:22.100 Um, so it'd be really, uh, you know, and, um,

02:01:27.240 I think it'd be pretty unwise for a prominent person to get into online porn because all

02:01:32.260 that stuff is monitored.

02:01:33.700 I mean, what?

02:01:35.680 Yeah.

02:01:36.200 But I think a lot of those people probably are.

02:01:39.120 You'd have to be an idiot.

02:01:41.000 There's a, there's a camera on your phone and your iPad and your laptop.

02:01:47.140 Yeah.

02:01:47.940 Yeah.

02:01:48.420 But I mean, didn't, um, you know, again, there's weird anomalies with everything, but

02:01:56.260 the, you know, it, it gets used all the time, right?

02:02:00.280 Like stuff like that gets used all the time to silence people, to quiet people.

02:02:03.700 Now, whether that's legitimate or not, if it's legitimate, that's fucking sick and gross

02:02:07.280 and those people should be.

02:02:08.180 If it's illegitimate, it's not real.

02:02:10.740 And it's been planted like that's a fucking shitty shit sandwich.

02:02:14.240 Well, kitty porn.

02:02:15.400 I always, I always try and say it out loud just to indemnify myself to protect myself

02:02:19.700 against, I don't, I don't have a laptop.

02:02:22.660 I'm not into porn or kitty porn.

02:02:25.320 I just want to say that out loud.

02:02:26.360 Yeah.

02:02:26.560 I'm going to say the same thing.

02:02:27.460 You do feel like never been into it.

02:02:29.680 Whenever someone, I wouldn't kill myself.

02:02:31.820 I love my life.

02:02:32.720 If you can spend five nights with darkness, I think you're psychologically pretty healthy.

02:02:38.400 Like you're, you're beating the averages on that.

02:02:40.820 I feel like I'm pretty psychologically healthy and I could not do that.

02:02:44.400 But if you found out everything, you said faith in government would collapse completely.

02:02:54.500 Yes.

02:02:55.200 And that's a good thing.

02:02:56.720 But would, would that be like the road to anarchy at that point?

02:03:02.720 I think you might need some of that, you know, like what anarchy I think has always seen

02:03:12.380 it, you have to look up and give me the exact definition of anarchy, but the thought of anarchy

02:03:17.580 is just like chaos.

02:03:19.300 Yes.

02:03:19.780 Chaos.

02:03:20.400 But it's more just a, I believe it's more like a belief in the, it's a, it's a doubt in

02:03:29.340 the government's ability to do its job.

02:03:31.520 Yes.

02:03:32.480 At its core.

02:03:33.480 Will I qualify then?

02:03:35.220 Yeah.

02:03:37.120 I'm not going to call you an anarchist, but we need some of that.

02:03:41.600 We need, we need some of, we need some more questioning and we need, we need more disclosure.

02:03:46.840 We need more things being brought out to light.

02:03:49.660 We need more journalists doing their job and having the right conversations.

02:03:55.180 I'm excited for you to, I can't even imagine who you're going to get on, on your podcast

02:03:58.840 because it's going to be amazing.

02:03:59.740 You're the first one and I'm grateful.

02:04:02.240 So if, just two more questions.

02:04:04.560 And then I have one at the end too.

02:04:05.820 Um, so the, the first one is, I asked you what you're going to do when you retire, which

02:04:13.820 is probably imminent just at some point, just because of your age and your, um, amazing

02:04:19.620 longevity so far on the sport.

02:04:20.920 But you said you, you just want to take a deep breath.

02:04:24.860 Could you see yourself running for office?

02:04:26.940 No, no, I don't think so.

02:04:28.480 No, I just, I don't, I believe in Bobby and, and what are you standing for?

02:04:33.640 But, um, I've never been super into, uh, politics and, and as said publicly, I believe it's a

02:04:42.780 sham.

02:04:43.580 Now I retract that in the context of Bobby because I believe in what he stands for, but I've never

02:04:50.640 felt like there's been two parties.

02:04:53.040 It's just been the same people and bombs still get dropped regardless of whether it's Trump

02:04:58.080 or Obama or Bush or Clinton or still get fought.

02:05:03.640 Taxes still get levied, you know, um, evil and corruption still exists, secret handshake

02:05:10.860 society still exists, the lobbyist power still exists, all the big, you know, big, whatever

02:05:17.740 and military industrial complex still exists no matter who's in charge.

02:05:22.280 So how much can you actually impact?

02:05:24.360 I don't know.

02:05:25.220 I mean, I like to think that if Bobby got in, uh, if they didn't take him out, that he,

02:05:29.440 he could enact some real change.

02:05:31.080 I think the alphabet groups need a full makeover.

02:05:34.700 And if we're going to, you know, support espionage, then let's make sure we're not doing it our

02:05:41.120 own people who are good, you know, uh, self, you know, conscientious, uh, freedom loving

02:05:48.940 Americans, Republican, Democrat, independent, black, white, Asian, Mexican, whatever it is.

02:05:54.660 That's right.

02:05:54.960 Just great fucking people who live in this country.

02:05:57.300 Leave us alone.

02:05:58.900 Leave us alone.

02:05:59.960 Yeah.

02:06:00.100 Stop spying on me.

02:06:01.120 Yeah.

02:06:01.340 Get off my computer, get off my cameras, get off my ring camera, you know, take down all

02:06:08.460 this stupid fucking CCTV cameras everywhere that are watching everything.

02:06:12.500 And because the next step to all of this, people don't realize this, and this is the

02:06:17.080 fucking facts is China and what's going on there and social credit scores and entire life

02:06:23.240 monitored.

02:06:24.380 Like that's where we're going slowly.

02:06:27.500 Jordan Peterson said, uh, was doing an interview and talked about how does, you know, I can't

02:06:32.840 remember what the conversation was, but I heard him say this, how does corruption, um, uh,

02:06:37.260 take form when it's so obvious it's slow movements.

02:06:41.940 It's like barely inching towards, you know, total, uh, corruption and obedience where you

02:06:48.080 don't really see it coming.

02:06:49.060 Next thing you know, like, oh, I have no other option but to get a chip in my hand or, uh,

02:06:54.960 have a social credit score that allows me to, you know, fly in a plane.

02:06:58.400 If I don't have a good one, then I got to ride on a bus or a train or a cab or, you know,

02:07:02.820 I can drive, you know, they want all electric cars.

02:07:05.420 I can just, you know, shut that off at some point because you, your post on Facebook, uh,

02:07:09.680 you know, kind of violated the government standard here.

02:07:12.580 And also we're going to freeze your bank account or only let you, you know, eat at this restaurant.

02:07:17.540 Uh, sorry, eat at the, you know, get groceries from this store, not like the nice, you know,

02:07:21.660 organic store.

02:07:22.340 You're going to have to eat this shit over here or eat insects or whatever the hell.

02:07:25.020 The Oreo store.

02:07:25.940 Yeah.

02:07:26.320 We're not far from that if we don't like stand for, for civil liberties and people always

02:07:32.940 like, you know, when I talk about, cause I'm always been a big proponent of, of Ed Snowden

02:07:37.360 and people are like, well, I have nothing to hide.

02:07:39.460 And I'm like, that is the fucking worst answer because I don't have anything to hide either,

02:07:45.620 but I want my privacy.

02:07:47.600 And you don't understand, you think the government's just going to stop at what they're doing now.

02:07:52.720 They're not going to stop with this.

02:07:54.400 They're inching closer to, to be in 1984 where they have a set in your, some sort of TV set

02:08:02.360 in your house that watches you.

02:08:04.540 Make sure you get up and do your 10 pushups, 10 sit-ups.

02:08:07.240 We're going to watch every aspect of your life.

02:08:09.420 We're going to give you a social credit score.

02:08:10.660 We're going to create.

02:08:11.860 I mean, it's a fucking great book to read.

02:08:14.380 It was written in 1949 and how many, how accurate it is today.

02:08:18.500 Literally a ministry of truth.

02:08:19.960 We had the, we literally had a government organization that was censoring free speech

02:08:25.300 and, and categorizing things as misinformation.

02:08:27.960 There was a, there was a ministry of truth czar who was making decisions based on what they

02:08:33.880 thought was acceptable language online and all these fact checking bullshit.

02:08:38.260 Like we're not far from 1949, from that book, 1984, which was written in 1949, if we don't

02:08:46.240 take a stand for our civil liberties.

02:08:48.120 And that's why I think that there needs to be more disclosure.

02:08:51.100 I hope there is.

02:08:51.740 I hope there's more corruption.

02:08:52.760 I hope Bobby gets a chance to, to debate because I think you do a hell of a job.

02:08:56.160 I hope Nicole gets a chance to debate against Kamala Harris because I think that'd be a big

02:09:00.820 win for her.

02:09:02.460 Have you met her?

02:09:03.280 No, I haven't.

02:09:04.140 I don't, but I, I enjoy, enjoy what she says.

02:09:06.720 Um, my last question is like, we are moving there and no one is stopping it at this as

02:09:13.520 of today, you know, May, 2024.

02:09:16.560 So where are we in five years?

02:09:19.220 I, you know, I was a little bit worried come out of COVID because I saw so many people who

02:09:24.220 were manipulated by fear and laid down and followed the rules.

02:09:30.800 I think it was a lot of people who are captivated by fear for sure, but the majority was conscientious,

02:09:42.100 good hearted Americans.

02:09:43.140 That's right.

02:09:43.700 I really do believe that who just wanted to do what they thought was right.

02:09:48.260 Exactly.

02:09:48.900 Trusting that the government wouldn't lie to them, wouldn't fuck with them.

02:09:53.240 Um, and I think those people are waking up and that's why I have hope.

02:09:57.500 I really do have hope that, um, that we've learned our lesson and that the powers that

02:10:04.200 be the, the, uh, the evil unseen world, um, overstepped a little bit too far and that they,

02:10:13.120 they got power hungry and they got, uh, a little over their skis and the people woke up and are

02:10:26.220 not going to allow this to happen again.

02:10:27.640 And there's some weird things going on in the world right now.

02:10:32.160 The stuff of the border is very weird.

02:10:34.100 Like listening to, um, Brett Weinstein talk on Rogan about the groups of Chinese, uh, military

02:10:40.940 age men that are getting in, uh, it's very unnerving.

02:10:44.400 Um, and they're doing it in new ways and we're not prosecuting anybody, uh, in a lot

02:10:49.640 of these big cities.

02:10:50.300 And there's a George Soros of the world who are anti-human and funding a lot of these

02:10:54.680 protests, probably on these college campuses as they're arresting people who don't have

02:10:59.020 student IDs, who aren't a part of it.

02:11:00.540 We saw it in Wisconsin when there was riots going on.

02:11:03.980 They're bossing people in from Illinois and Iowa and all these different places.

02:11:07.560 So there's an anti, there's anti-human people out there who, who don't want this to happen.

02:11:12.760 But I think there's so many incredible, good-hearted, conscientious Americans, both Republican, Democrat,

02:11:20.080 independent, undecided, don't give a shit about politics, obsess over C-SPAN every day

02:11:24.580 or whatever it might be, who are just waking up and going, you know what, this is not the

02:11:29.120 America that, you know, my ancestors fought for that I want to be a part of.

02:11:35.940 That it was when I was a kid, when I was in high school, when I was in college, whatever

02:11:39.860 it might be.

02:11:40.920 And they're not going to put up with it much longer.

02:11:43.300 And I think that that's what I'm saying.

02:11:45.300 I think the, the evil kind of overstepped a little bit too far.

02:11:49.460 And now that, uh, the tides are turning.

02:11:52.780 I hope you're right.

02:11:53.820 I hope we look back and see COVID as a blessing.

02:11:56.720 Because you're, yeah, this is the other part of it is where do we get our media from these

02:12:01.200 days, like the, the, the, the information police who forever growing up, not me, but

02:12:08.520 like the Walter Cronkites of the world who are idolized as like the Dan Rathers even who

02:12:13.700 like, it seemed like there was somebody you could trust who was giving you the truth on

02:12:16.920 TV.

02:12:17.340 Yes.

02:12:17.600 That, those days are gone.

02:12:19.040 And thankfully X has some level of freedom of speech still, but media, our media, we get

02:12:25.900 from majority of us from Twitter, not from Fox or CNN.

02:12:31.860 True.

02:12:32.420 Right.

02:12:32.780 You had a huge following, but then you go to X and your numbers go fucking crazy.

02:12:37.020 Yeah.

02:12:37.420 But the majority, how we're going to change the world, I think is by having conversations

02:12:42.700 like this.

02:12:43.160 Not just me, I'm just some, you know, some anti-vaxxer, you know, you know, football player.

02:12:49.060 Conspiracy theorist.

02:12:49.980 Conspiracy theorist.

02:12:50.700 Yeah.

02:12:51.720 But with Joe, I mean, the most, the most influential people in the world, right?

02:12:56.820 Joe Rogan's one of them.

02:12:57.920 Yeah.

02:12:58.220 Joe has 10 plus million listened to everyone who's podcast.

02:13:02.240 Every single podcast that he does goes immediately to number one on Spotify.

02:13:05.920 Oh yeah.

02:13:06.460 Yourself, the, the numbers that you got, impressions you got, the views you got when you did interviews

02:13:10.900 with Trump and Putin and everybody in between were astronomical.

02:13:15.540 Nobody's ever seen.

02:13:16.740 And it's going to be, what gives me hope is that you have a, our voice of reason.

02:13:21.660 You are willing to stand up what you believe in and that, you know, guys like Joe and yourself

02:13:28.640 and countless others are willing to like lay their reputation aside, uh, get canceled for

02:13:36.040 standing up for what they believe is right.

02:13:37.480 And that's the way that we change things.

02:13:40.400 So that's why I fucking am a huge fan of yours.

02:13:44.080 And just want to encourage you if I can to just like fucking keep doing what you're doing,

02:13:48.700 because this is how the world changes by having long form conversation with interesting

02:13:53.960 people who can change the narrative and get people to go, you know what, maybe I can change

02:13:59.960 my opinion because that's the only way that we grow together is by talking to people that

02:14:03.340 we don't actually agree on everything.

02:14:06.120 Or we have a, what we think is a tightly held belief and we go, you know what, I'm going

02:14:11.240 to loosen that grip a little bit and just listen to what somebody else has to say.

02:14:14.480 And then maybe there's something in there that goes, I like that.

02:14:17.380 I might, I might not have to hold so firmly to this anymore.

02:14:20.540 And it's, it's just like in the church, right?

02:14:22.960 And you're a spiritual person, I'm a spiritual person talking about aliens.

02:14:27.080 You can't talk about that shit in church, right?

02:14:28.880 No, there's no, God created Adam and Eve and just on this planet, right?

02:14:32.880 There's no, nothing else to look at.

02:14:34.800 Well, there's some weird, uh, you know, extraterrestrial references in the Bible that, uh, they

02:14:41.040 didn't have maybe the words for, but, uh, there could be some other shit going on here.

02:14:44.960 And maybe I shouldn't hold so tightly to that one belief that I'm the only thing on this

02:14:49.720 entire earth and the earth is 5,000 years old and there's nothing else going on here.

02:14:53.480 Like we all need to transgress, uh, you know, to transcend, sorry, um, our, our beliefs to

02:15:00.720 include the stuff that we want.

02:15:01.900 But in order for us to get to the next level, whether that's the next dimension, uh, a new

02:15:06.600 earth, uh, a new way of living is to transcend and include what we believe.

02:15:12.780 And in doing that, I think it's talking to people that we don't necessarily agree with.

02:15:16.260 It's like what I'm trying to do and will continue to try and do.

02:15:19.680 And that's have empathy and compassion for people that have slandered me, shame me and

02:15:24.140 canceled me, tried to, and get past that.

02:15:29.540 That's the most Christian possible thing you could do.

02:15:32.000 I mean, Christians are commanded to do that.

02:15:33.940 They don't, but they, they're commanded to do that.

02:15:37.380 Pray for those who persecute you, love your enemies.

02:15:40.320 I mean, that's.

02:15:40.900 And like, sincerely do it.

02:15:42.820 I'm going to sincerely, I mean, sincerely try and try and do that.

02:15:46.880 And I think we can all do that on some level, but it starts with just like, just opening

02:15:54.060 your heart a little bit, trying to love people a little bit better, trying to love yourself

02:15:57.260 a little bit better.

02:15:57.800 And then not being scared to stand up for what you believe in.

02:16:05.080 It feels like there's a depth of conversation.

02:16:10.080 This is my last question, but have you noticed in your personal life that the conversations

02:16:16.620 you're having with the people you love who are friends with, that they're much deeper

02:16:21.940 than they were five years ago?

02:16:23.640 Much, much deeper.

02:16:24.920 Yeah.

02:16:25.380 I think there's a number of reasons for that.

02:16:27.180 It's just where I'm at personally and the changes I've tried to make.

02:16:32.780 But I think in general, people are desperate for that deep connection and they're just tired

02:16:37.780 of surface level stuff and they, and they really want to, to go deep and we attract our

02:16:42.840 tribe, you know, your vibe attracts your, attracts your tribe.

02:16:45.840 And just like you said, I don't really know anybody who's like, you know, vaxxed or wearing

02:16:49.880 a mask in cars.

02:16:50.740 I don't really either.

02:16:51.940 And there's no, no, no judgment.

02:16:53.740 There's no judgment.

02:16:54.500 I'm not judging.

02:16:55.260 It's just interesting.

02:16:55.940 That's just where you're at on your journey.

02:16:57.440 That's awesome.

02:16:57.940 That's great.

02:16:58.400 You know, like, I wish you didn't have that much fear, but like mad love, you know, whatever

02:17:02.460 you're doing.

02:17:03.380 But like the people that I'm trying to attract and that I have been, um, is just people who

02:17:08.340 are desperate for like depth and connection and finding like common ground.

02:17:13.740 Even the people that I don't, I had to know with people recently that are, you know, fully

02:17:17.880 vaxxed and double boosted.

02:17:19.120 And we had a beautiful conversation about, you know, a dozen different topics and I left

02:17:24.080 going, fuck, that's awesome.

02:17:25.540 Like, I love being able to connect with people like that who don't have a base level of like

02:17:29.620 belief that I do.

02:17:30.820 But the, but we both came to the table, like in the actual table of like wanting to have

02:17:35.800 like a deep conversation and understand each other better.

02:17:39.180 And I think that's how we move this thing forward.

02:17:40.860 And that's my life is just like people who want to go deep and whether it's on medicine

02:17:44.900 or off medicine or talking about medicine or not talking about medicine, it's all, you

02:17:49.460 know, it's all like, how can we connect deeper?

02:17:51.380 How can we love better?

02:17:52.200 How can we love ourselves and our world and, and actually make a difference?

02:17:55.420 And that's why, you know, guys like yourself, guys like Joe are making a difference because

02:17:59.760 they're platforming people, um, who really care about this life and are doing awesome

02:18:06.000 things.

02:18:07.180 And when you hear somebody who's passionate about something, it just gets you like kind

02:18:10.020 of vitalized about life and you're like, oh, fuck.

02:18:12.720 Yeah.

02:18:12.820 Like these people do love America and they do want to make a difference and they do, you

02:18:16.100 know, care about right and wrong.

02:18:17.260 And there is a field of value where things are good and things are evil and standing up for

02:18:20.780 what's good.

02:18:21.880 And that's, that's what you're doing.

02:18:23.840 That's what you did on Fox for all those years.

02:18:25.640 That's what you did when you fucking left Fox.

02:18:28.000 Um, and, uh, I'm just glad to know you're glad to be friends.

02:18:32.320 I am too.

02:18:33.660 Thank you, Aaron Rogers.

02:18:34.900 And thank you for dinner.

02:18:35.720 That was great.

02:18:36.580 Thank you.

02:18:38.660 Thanks for listening to Tucker Carlson show.

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