The Tucker Carlson Show - Aaron Siri： Everything You Should Know About the Polio Vaccine, & Its Link to the Abortion Industry

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00:00:26.960 So you're Bobby Kennedy's lawyer.

00:00:28.600 Bobby Kennedy has been nominated by President Trump

00:00:30.880 to be the Secretary of Health and Human Services, HHS.

00:00:35.920 Bobby Kennedy has a, this is just my quick summary,

00:00:38.600 has a very large constituency in the United States.

00:00:43.560 He's not some anonymous character.

00:00:45.800 He's a guy who's been around for many, many years

00:00:48.900 and has many, many fans.

00:00:50.160 So it's hard for his opponents,

00:00:52.740 who are many in Washington, to take him on directly.

00:00:55.100 And so they are trying to discredit him preemptively

00:00:59.400 before the vote.

00:01:00.500 This is my read.

00:01:01.860 And the latest way that they have done this

00:01:03.780 is by accusing him and you

00:01:05.380 of trying to limit access of Americans

00:01:10.160 to the polio vaccine,

00:01:12.680 the one vaccine that most people think is great.

00:01:14.520 I think that's a fair summary.

00:01:17.840 Yeah, I would say they accused us

00:01:20.100 of trying to eliminate the polio vaccine.

00:01:23.580 The New York Times headline was, right,

00:01:25.980 that it was filed to get rid of the polio vaccine.

00:01:29.740 The polio vaccine.

00:01:30.120 That was the headline that everybody picked it up.

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00:02:00.100 Here's the episode.

00:02:00.980 So you are, as we say, objectively pro-polio

00:02:04.140 in the characterization of the New York Times.

00:02:07.100 It's a classic retort.

00:02:09.380 If you question anything about the safety of these products

00:02:12.460 or even their efficacy or the clinical trials

00:02:14.900 or the post-lizzer safety,

00:02:16.560 the typical retort is,

00:02:17.800 so you want everybody to have polio, huh?

00:02:19.160 Yeah, desperately.

00:02:20.520 All right, cool.

00:02:21.040 Kind of a life goal.

00:02:21.960 It's a product.

00:02:22.660 We're just asking questions.

00:02:25.080 Oh, just asking questions is not allowed.

00:02:27.260 I've been penalized for just asking questions.

00:02:29.020 No questions.

00:02:30.980 Okay, so that's the context for this question.

00:02:35.280 What is your position on the polio vaccines?

00:02:37.320 And I think as you speak,

00:02:39.300 you were also suggesting what Bobby Kennedy

00:02:41.960 might think you are as a lawyer,

00:02:43.020 but you tell me.

00:02:43.900 So what the New York Times did is they purposefully,

00:02:49.160 knowingly misled the entire country

00:02:53.540 into believing that a petition that I filed

00:02:57.720 on behalf of a client,

00:02:59.640 not my petition, my client's petition,

00:03:02.480 not Mr. Kennedy, he was not the client,

00:03:05.220 a petition I've never spoke to him about ever,

00:03:07.660 nor did my client sought to eliminate the polio vaccine.

00:03:13.740 That was the headline.

00:03:14.780 And therefore,

00:03:17.560 because I'm Mr. Kennedy's lawyer,

00:03:21.240 in some instances,

00:03:23.060 my firm has almost 80 people.

00:03:24.720 We have lots of clients,

00:03:26.700 including Mr. Kennedy,

00:03:28.260 including many others.

00:03:30.140 And because we filed this petition

00:03:31.540 on behalf of a different client,

00:03:33.940 nothing to do with him,

00:03:35.620 that questioned one polio vaccine,

00:03:38.400 by the way,

00:03:38.980 and it's licensure,

00:03:39.720 and only us the children,

00:03:40.620 I'll get into that.

00:03:41.380 But somehow he wants to get rid of the polio vaccine,

00:03:44.880 and they knew it was untrue

00:03:46.640 when they published it

00:03:47.420 for the following simple reason.

00:03:49.420 First of all,

00:03:50.640 and if they didn't know this,

00:03:52.600 they're not fit to be a high school newspaper, okay?

00:03:56.500 One, the petition only sought review,

00:04:02.020 and this was a petition to the FDA,

00:04:05.200 only sought review

00:04:06.640 as to one of six licensed polio vaccines,

00:04:09.920 and only as to children.

00:04:13.620 Why?

00:04:14.620 What was the basis of the petition?

00:04:16.200 Which, by the way,

00:04:16.700 should have been the headline.

00:04:18.740 This particular polio vaccine,

00:04:20.980 licensed in 1990,

00:04:22.420 not the Salk vaccine,

00:04:24.160 it's not the Sabin vaccine,

00:04:25.620 it's not the vaccine that you think of

00:04:27.420 when you hear the polio vaccine, okay?

00:04:31.180 This vaccine was based on a novel technology.

00:04:33.920 You need to grow a virus

00:04:36.940 in some kind of cultural medium.

00:04:38.440 Here, they use something called Vero cells.

00:04:40.540 These are chromosomally modified monkey kidney cells

00:04:44.060 that are rendered immortal,

00:04:48.300 just like cancer cells.

00:04:49.480 That means they'll grow forever,

00:04:51.200 just like cancer cells.

00:04:52.740 And they end up as an ingredient

00:04:54.320 in every single vial.

00:04:55.560 The clinical trial relied upon

00:04:58.720 to license this brand new novel polio vaccine in 1990,

00:05:03.220 reviewed safety for literally three days after injection.

00:05:07.160 Three days.

00:05:08.220 That sounds incredible.

00:05:10.160 It sounds like it cannot be true.

00:05:12.780 But it is on the FDA website.

00:05:14.740 On behalf of my client,

00:05:15.740 we FOIA'd the FDA for all the clinical trial reports

00:05:18.200 for the summary basis of approval.

00:05:20.340 We tortured them for years, basically,

00:05:22.600 saying, come on,

00:05:23.240 there's gotta be more than this.

00:05:24.620 Because you license it

00:05:26.000 based on three days of safety review

00:05:27.680 in the clinical trial after injection

00:05:30.140 with no control group.

00:05:32.140 There's no way you could know the safety of this product

00:05:34.560 before you license it to be injected.

00:05:36.980 You mean no control group?

00:05:38.120 There was no control group.

00:05:38.980 Isn't a control group a prerequisite

00:05:40.620 for a scientific experiment?

00:05:43.840 Because you need a baseline.

00:05:44.900 What do you compare it to?

00:05:45.880 The best you could do

00:05:47.220 is compare it to the background rate,

00:05:48.860 which is almost impossible.

00:05:50.760 Because then you'd have to figure out

00:05:52.140 the background rate for that exact demographic.

00:05:54.040 It essentially renders the trial useless for safety.

00:05:58.400 But here's the thing.

00:06:00.040 Even if they had a control group, Tucker,

00:06:01.860 even if they did,

00:06:03.800 with three days of safety review,

00:06:05.660 what are you reviewing?

00:06:07.140 It takes weeks often

00:06:09.220 for even any immune dysregulation

00:06:11.240 caused by the product to appear,

00:06:13.420 just like it takes at least many weeks

00:06:15.760 for you to build up, let's say, antibodies,

00:06:17.480 so the target antigen in the vial.

00:06:19.300 Exactly.

00:06:19.640 If you're going to have self-attacking antibodies,

00:06:21.720 those take weeks as well to develop.

00:06:25.180 And oftentimes when you're giving it to a baby,

00:06:28.080 this product is given at two, four, and six months.

00:06:30.360 If they're going to have an immune dysregulation,

00:06:32.520 if they're going to have a developmental issue,

00:06:34.420 you're not going to know that for years.

00:06:35.800 Asthma is not even diagnosed

00:06:36.900 until a few years of age.

00:06:38.280 Developmental issues take years.

00:06:40.100 And so a lot of the issues that we see,

00:06:42.520 I mentioned my firm's got about 40 people

00:06:45.000 that just do vaccine work.

00:06:47.040 We do other things, but they just do vaccine work.

00:06:50.060 And so, and we don't represent pharmaceutical companies.

00:06:52.460 So as far as I know,

00:06:53.100 we have the biggest vaccine practice in the world

00:06:55.180 that doesn't represent pharmaceutical companies.

00:06:57.060 One of the practices we have is vaccine injury claims.

00:06:59.460 We don't sue pharmaceutical companies.

00:07:00.600 You can't.

00:07:01.800 They have immunity to liability since 1986,

00:07:05.000 the only product like that.

00:07:06.880 But you can't sue the federal health authorities

00:07:08.800 in this little program.

00:07:11.140 And so, you know,

00:07:12.220 a lot of the injuries that we see

00:07:14.440 when we do that work are immune

00:07:16.060 or immune-mediated neurological disorders.

00:07:18.580 And those things are not going to appear

00:07:20.620 until typically a few days after vaccination.

00:07:24.880 So this trial,

00:07:26.160 going back to this polio vaccine called,

00:07:29.660 that was the subject of this petition,

00:07:32.520 it was utterly useless to determine its safety.

00:07:36.100 So-

00:07:36.440 Wait, a couple of quick questions.

00:07:38.620 Please.

00:07:39.860 I've never heard of that.

00:07:41.400 I've never heard of an experiment

00:07:42.920 without a control group.

00:07:44.640 And three days is obviously inadequate

00:07:46.160 to judge the safety of,

00:07:47.900 or the efficacy for that matter of a product.

00:07:49.580 So how did federal health regulators sign off on that?

00:07:53.840 You know, that's an excellent question.

00:07:55.320 Why would the FDA agree to license it?

00:07:58.360 Right?

00:07:58.740 It's a great question.

00:07:59.860 We could talk about regulatory capture.

00:08:03.120 We could talk about the ideological beliefs

00:08:06.360 that the folks who are involved in CBER,

00:08:09.080 which is the biologics division of the FDA.

00:08:12.160 And within that,

00:08:12.840 there's an office called the OVVR.

00:08:14.700 That's where the vaccines are actually,

00:08:17.360 licenses are reviewed.

00:08:19.380 And I've met some of the folks

00:08:20.800 who've been in that department.

00:08:22.020 And they're very much,

00:08:25.020 I don't know if the right,

00:08:26.100 I guess ideologues.

00:08:27.320 You know,

00:08:27.440 they believe almost a priority,

00:08:29.960 priority in the safety of these products,

00:08:32.320 even when they're experimental

00:08:33.680 to such a degree that

00:08:35.920 I guess they let products like this.

00:08:38.540 And I should tell you,

00:08:39.800 if you think that-

00:08:41.400 Because they believe the category of products

00:08:43.000 is so virtuous

00:08:43.860 that the details aren't important.

00:08:47.640 I'm speculating, right?

00:08:49.620 The important point is they did it.

00:08:52.300 Why they did it,

00:08:53.020 we could speculate on,

00:08:54.020 but they did it.

00:08:54.680 Well, Sue,

00:08:55.300 but I do want to ask you to pause

00:08:56.960 and try to solve a mystery

00:08:58.540 that I've been thinking about for a long time.

00:09:00.680 And I really don't understand it.

00:09:02.280 What accounts for the religious attachment

00:09:07.040 of certain people,

00:09:08.560 particularly affluent,

00:09:09.540 well-educated people,

00:09:10.500 to vaccines as a category?

00:09:13.720 I mean,

00:09:14.200 there are a million medicines out there

00:09:15.860 and prophylactics

00:09:17.420 and there are all kinds of treatments

00:09:18.480 for all kinds of diseases,

00:09:19.520 but people take a kind of cooler,

00:09:21.880 less emotional view of them.

00:09:23.860 And chemotherapy,

00:09:24.460 you know,

00:09:24.620 saves lives,

00:09:25.460 but there are downsides to chemotherapy.

00:09:27.240 And most people are like,

00:09:27.980 you know,

00:09:28.260 kind of weighing it out.

00:09:29.220 Is it worth taking chemo or not?

00:09:30.460 Right?

00:09:30.660 But vaccines quickly become religious,

00:09:34.640 like almost immediately.

00:09:35.980 Like even the word has an emotional power

00:09:39.480 that no other treatment or medicine does.

00:09:42.400 And this has been true for a long time.

00:09:44.720 Why is that?

00:09:45.780 What is that?

00:09:47.960 Well,

00:09:48.680 I'm...

00:09:49.580 Have you noticed this,

00:09:50.340 by the way?

00:09:50.920 Absolutely.

00:09:53.000 It's ironic.

00:09:54.380 There's an irony in the following way.

00:09:56.620 Those who often don't want to receive vaccines,

00:10:00.600 I find are the ones,

00:10:02.100 not always,

00:10:03.220 who have taken the time

00:10:04.220 to really look at the clinical trials,

00:10:05.980 the post-licensure safety,

00:10:07.160 to understand these products

00:10:08.700 more objectively.

00:10:10.440 The CDC will tell you

00:10:11.820 that the people

00:10:12.360 who have the highest rates

00:10:13.500 of completely unvaccinated kids

00:10:15.100 are ones with PhDs

00:10:16.940 and are highly educated,

00:10:18.600 often in the sciences.

00:10:19.940 So what are they learning?

00:10:21.120 What are they understanding

00:10:21.960 that caused them

00:10:22.580 not to receive these products?

00:10:24.500 And so I find the quote-unquote

00:10:26.000 those who oppose vaccines,

00:10:28.040 you know,

00:10:28.260 whatever pejorative one

00:10:29.100 wants to use about them.

00:10:30.460 They're the ones

00:10:30.840 who believe the science.

00:10:32.360 Oftentimes,

00:10:33.080 and that's just not me saying it.

00:10:34.420 I mean,

00:10:34.620 I'm saying that they,

00:10:35.660 when they survey,

00:10:36.360 because they've tried to identify,

00:10:37.440 well,

00:10:37.540 who are the populations

00:10:38.440 refusing these products?

00:10:39.960 They find it's the,

00:10:41.820 they're disproportionately

00:10:42.860 highly educated.

00:10:44.640 There are some folks

00:10:45.400 who don't have access to care

00:10:46.540 and they just don't get it

00:10:47.340 because they don't get it.

00:10:48.620 Of course, right.

00:10:49.320 But those who consciously choose,

00:10:52.080 typically very highly educated.

00:10:54.060 Now,

00:10:55.480 to now answer your question,

00:10:57.140 which is,

00:10:57.960 have I seen religion almost

00:10:59.920 when it comes to these products?

00:11:00.880 Yes, I have.

00:11:01.720 But it comes from often

00:11:03.040 the side of the folks

00:11:04.480 who want to make you get them,

00:11:06.620 force people to do it.

00:11:07.640 You must believe

00:11:08.960 what I believe

00:11:09.960 about these products.

00:11:10.840 That's right.

00:11:11.140 You must submit.

00:11:12.920 How dare you ask questions?

00:11:14.240 Do not ask questions.

00:11:15.420 You must just believe.

00:11:16.560 And you often hear it

00:11:17.520 in the following.

00:11:18.980 I've never heard people say,

00:11:20.400 I believe in statins.

00:11:22.480 Well, that's exactly the point.

00:11:24.280 I believe in vaccines.

00:11:25.800 That's the language they use.

00:11:27.080 It's the language of religion.

00:11:28.340 And you're asking me to speculate,

00:11:30.640 so I'll speculate,

00:11:31.680 which I prefer,

00:11:32.720 usually for not to do.

00:11:33.820 But it is for a lot of people,

00:11:36.840 and I found this

00:11:37.760 with a lot of the vaccinologists

00:11:39.040 who I've deposed

00:11:41.360 and interacted with.

00:11:42.600 They're often,

00:11:43.240 a lot of them are atheists.

00:11:44.220 And maybe they were

00:11:46.620 brought up in a certain religion,

00:11:48.060 but they have now

00:11:48.780 become atheists.

00:11:50.400 And I think when somebody

00:11:51.600 doesn't have religion

00:11:52.520 in their life,

00:11:53.300 any religion,

00:11:54.560 they don't believe in God,

00:11:56.260 some God,

00:11:58.000 ends up with a,

00:11:59.960 an empty space

00:12:01.440 that needs to be filled

00:12:02.220 with something.

00:12:03.100 They have to believe

00:12:03.820 in something.

00:12:04.320 How do you not believe

00:12:05.440 in something in this life?

00:12:07.840 You have to have meaning.

00:12:09.060 It's,

00:12:09.140 it's gotta be

00:12:09.860 a really dark place

00:12:11.120 to not believe,

00:12:12.360 to believe everything

00:12:13.020 came from nothing.

00:12:14.140 And if you do,

00:12:15.640 I,

00:12:16.480 you know,

00:12:16.800 I'm speculating

00:12:17.720 that vaccines

00:12:18.580 start holding

00:12:19.740 a place of religion,

00:12:20.680 that they look to it as,

00:12:22.480 see,

00:12:22.700 this saved us.

00:12:24.280 This is what saved humanity.

00:12:27.360 And I,

00:12:28.160 and I think there's

00:12:29.020 maybe some degree,

00:12:30.120 a degree of that,

00:12:31.200 that this notion

00:12:32.540 that vaccines are,

00:12:35.000 especially those

00:12:37.080 in the medical profession.

00:12:38.440 And I'll give you an example.

00:12:40.640 You know,

00:12:40.880 I'll use the example

00:12:41.500 of measles,

00:12:42.340 okay?

00:12:43.020 The great killer

00:12:44.080 that you'll often hear,

00:12:45.360 you know,

00:12:45.580 they make you feel like

00:12:46.180 everyone's gonna die

00:12:47.040 if you don't get

00:12:47.420 measles vaccines.

00:12:48.400 Well,

00:12:49.160 here's the thing.

00:12:50.320 Public health authorities

00:12:51.340 should take credit

00:12:53.840 for the decline

00:12:55.520 in measles deaths

00:12:56.320 in America.

00:12:57.420 They should,

00:12:58.300 but they should take credit

00:12:59.300 in the following way.

00:13:01.060 Between the year 1900,

00:13:02.980 this is all on the CDC website

00:13:04.100 when I'm about to tell you,

00:13:05.560 and the year 1960,

00:13:07.480 61,

00:13:08.000 62,

00:13:09.080 the years before

00:13:09.800 the first measles vaccine

00:13:10.980 in America,

00:13:11.360 1963,

00:13:11.760 the mortality rate

00:13:13.560 for measles

00:13:14.000 declined by over 98%.

00:13:15.900 Yes,

00:13:17.580 by over 98%.

00:13:18.780 That is,

00:13:19.820 you can just go pull up

00:13:20.760 the mortality data

00:13:21.820 on the CDC website.

00:13:23.200 This is uncontroversial.

00:13:25.640 It's just data,

00:13:26.900 what I just said.

00:13:27.900 Some people get emotional

00:13:28.860 about it,

00:13:29.420 but it's just data,

00:13:30.320 what I just said.

00:13:30.860 Why would they get emotional?

00:13:31.860 Well,

00:13:32.100 for the reasons

00:13:32.660 we just discussed.

00:13:35.500 That decline

00:13:36.220 had nothing to do

00:13:37.000 with vaccines.

00:13:37.580 You know how I know?

00:13:38.940 There was no measles vaccine.

00:13:41.020 That's how I know.

00:13:42.000 What caused that decline?

00:13:43.900 I think that in part,

00:13:45.440 it's the public health,

00:13:47.640 health authorities

00:13:50.420 should take a lot of credit

00:13:51.740 for that.

00:13:52.200 Nutrition,

00:13:52.680 sanitation.

00:13:52.880 Clean water,

00:13:55.480 getting sewage

00:13:56.180 running out of the streets.

00:13:57.740 Right.

00:13:58.040 Right.

00:13:58.480 All of these things.

00:14:00.140 Initiatives to make sure

00:14:01.260 that there's natural light.

00:14:02.600 Remember all the tenement buildings?

00:14:04.200 Yes.

00:14:05.140 All these initiatives,

00:14:06.260 even basic things

00:14:07.120 like quarantine.

00:14:08.640 Oh,

00:14:08.860 if you're sick,

00:14:09.740 not the kind of forced

00:14:11.180 kind of stay-at-home stuff

00:14:12.640 that we're talking about.

00:14:13.480 Just if you're sick,

00:14:14.620 hey,

00:14:14.940 maybe you should stay at home

00:14:16.020 in bed kind of stuff.

00:14:18.080 And so,

00:14:19.660 that decline,

00:14:21.140 98,

00:14:21.680 over 98%.

00:14:22.600 You know how many people

00:14:23.860 died in the few years,

00:14:25.240 on average a year

00:14:26.060 before there was

00:14:26.640 the first measles vaccine

00:14:27.420 in 1963

00:14:28.000 when pox of this country

00:14:29.480 were still like

00:14:30.380 the developed world?

00:14:31.460 Around 400 Americans

00:14:32.720 a year died.

00:14:33.320 That's one in 500,000

00:14:35.520 Americans died of measles

00:14:36.680 in the years before

00:14:37.820 they were vaccinated.

00:14:38.460 Every death's a tragedy.

00:14:40.260 And measles can still kill people

00:14:41.660 just like any virus can

00:14:43.140 in parts of the world

00:14:44.500 that are really underdeveloped.

00:14:46.680 Any virus can kill

00:14:47.680 children,

00:14:48.560 adults.

00:14:49.900 And there were still

00:14:50.380 pockets of America

00:14:51.220 in the early 60s

00:14:52.320 that were like that.

00:14:53.640 But that declining rate

00:14:55.160 of mortality,

00:14:56.240 it was a trajectory

00:14:57.180 that was ongoing

00:14:58.000 even when the measles vaccine

00:14:59.320 was introduced in 1963.

00:15:00.780 So,

00:15:01.600 those 400 deaths

00:15:02.580 which have now gone

00:15:03.260 down,

00:15:03.580 how much of that

00:15:04.300 is attributable

00:15:04.840 to measles vaccine,

00:15:05.900 how much of it

00:15:06.440 is to the continued

00:15:07.320 efforts of

00:15:08.160 public health

00:15:09.240 agencies,

00:15:11.040 right?

00:15:11.880 That could be debated

00:15:12.820 forever,

00:15:13.260 we don't need to.

00:15:13.880 But the important point

00:15:14.740 is this,

00:15:15.480 long way to answer

00:15:16.100 your question,

00:15:16.680 is this.

00:15:19.180 When you listen

00:15:20.120 to public health

00:15:20.740 authorities today,

00:15:22.240 they will say to you

00:15:23.300 measles is what

00:15:23.980 caused the decline.

00:15:24.980 Measles vaccine

00:15:25.740 is what caused

00:15:26.440 the decline in mortality.

00:15:27.820 They never talk about

00:15:29.020 those other things

00:15:29.900 that they did.

00:15:30.400 They never talk about

00:15:31.620 the increased sanitation,

00:15:33.560 the better,

00:15:34.420 all the different

00:15:35.360 effective measures

00:15:36.500 that they took

00:15:37.040 to get it down

00:15:37.820 by 98%.

00:15:38.580 Cleanliness and sunlight.

00:15:39.640 They talk about

00:15:40.320 that last 1%,

00:15:41.720 but they make it

00:15:42.560 seem like the vaccine

00:15:43.800 which caused

00:15:44.300 that last 1%

00:15:45.380 of decline

00:15:46.100 from 1900

00:15:46.900 or some,

00:15:48.180 I shouldn't even say

00:15:48.880 it caused it.

00:15:50.800 You could argue

00:15:51.780 it's up to

00:15:53.460 one point something

00:15:54.220 percent was from

00:15:54.860 the measles vaccine.

00:15:55.560 You can't argue

00:15:56.120 it's more than that

00:15:57.020 in the decline.

00:15:57.720 It's not possible.

00:15:58.400 But they ignore that.

00:16:01.980 And the only thing

00:16:02.640 they'll point to

00:16:03.180 is say measles,

00:16:04.020 excuse me,

00:16:04.440 measles vaccine

00:16:05.200 is what saved us.

00:16:07.080 And that's true

00:16:07.860 of most of the vaccines

00:16:09.160 actually.

00:16:09.580 When you look

00:16:10.340 at the number

00:16:11.160 of people that died

00:16:12.180 in the year

00:16:12.600 before the vaccine,

00:16:14.080 typically the mortality

00:16:15.220 had precipitously

00:16:16.620 declined.

00:16:17.480 For diphtheria,

00:16:19.080 for tetanus,

00:16:20.200 for almost every disease

00:16:21.300 it declined

00:16:21.760 over 80-90%

00:16:23.320 before the introduction,

00:16:24.080 from the year 1900,

00:16:25.420 introduction of the

00:16:26.180 first vaccine.

00:16:26.800 And oftentimes

00:16:28.040 in the year before,

00:16:30.720 you're down to

00:16:31.280 a dozen or two,

00:16:31.940 maybe mumps,

00:16:32.420 a dozen or two dozen

00:16:33.260 deaths,

00:16:34.160 you know,

00:16:34.440 for most of these

00:16:35.100 things.

00:16:35.740 So, you know,

00:16:37.060 when you talk

00:16:39.760 about religious beliefs,

00:16:40.760 but yet

00:16:41.160 many in the

00:16:45.200 medical community,

00:16:46.600 they'll say,

00:16:48.400 how could you

00:16:49.580 not take a vaccine?

00:16:50.720 Millions in America

00:16:51.620 would die.

00:16:53.220 And that's

00:16:53.580 an incredible statistic

00:16:54.600 to think millions

00:16:55.540 in America

00:16:55.920 would die a year

00:16:56.560 if you don't

00:16:57.120 get vaccinated

00:16:57.800 because if you

00:16:59.020 just add up

00:16:59.800 the number

00:17:00.780 of deaths

00:17:01.200 in the year

00:17:01.640 before every

00:17:03.020 vaccine

00:17:03.920 that is now

00:17:05.640 on the schedule,

00:17:06.680 putting aside

00:17:07.240 COVID vaccine

00:17:08.040 because there were

00:17:08.700 hundreds of thousands

00:17:09.420 of deaths

00:17:09.900 before the vaccine,

00:17:11.900 right,

00:17:12.100 they say.

00:17:13.660 And you can argue

00:17:14.760 whether the vaccine

00:17:15.500 reduced mortality,

00:17:17.980 though there was

00:17:18.560 increased all-cause mortality

00:17:19.820 afterwards.

00:17:20.620 Putting aside

00:17:20.940 the flu shot,

00:17:21.520 which the science

00:17:22.100 is clear

00:17:22.460 doesn't reduce

00:17:23.080 mortality

00:17:23.520 based on numerous

00:17:24.960 reviews like

00:17:26.660 Cork and Crab

00:17:27.160 collaboration,

00:17:29.180 which I understand

00:17:30.060 now is owned

00:17:31.140 by the Gates Foundation,

00:17:32.040 so maybe those

00:17:32.540 studies will change

00:17:33.240 soon.

00:17:37.640 You're at

00:17:38.480 thousands of deaths,

00:17:40.760 thousands total,

00:17:42.160 and many of those

00:17:43.340 were occurring

00:17:44.000 in years

00:17:45.840 long before

00:17:47.760 the current

00:17:50.000 acute care

00:17:51.240 that we provide,

00:17:52.900 the current

00:17:53.580 increases

00:17:54.380 and all the

00:17:55.040 other factors

00:17:55.600 that cause

00:17:56.120 the reduction

00:17:56.560 in mortality

00:17:57.180 to begin with.

00:17:59.020 But nonetheless,

00:18:00.000 this is the only

00:18:00.500 thing they want

00:18:00.880 to point to

00:18:01.440 is vaccines.

00:18:03.820 So I think

00:18:05.540 that that's

00:18:05.940 maybe what it is.

00:18:07.120 There's just,

00:18:07.900 it fills a space

00:18:08.960 of they have

00:18:09.420 to believe

00:18:09.740 in something

00:18:10.240 and these products

00:18:11.420 fill that space

00:18:12.080 for them

00:18:12.280 because I find

00:18:12.960 a lot of times

00:18:13.700 you can't really

00:18:15.120 have an objective

00:18:15.820 conversation,

00:18:16.760 a non-emotional

00:18:18.400 objective conversation

00:18:19.320 with some people

00:18:20.720 about these products

00:18:21.520 and they are just

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00:20:44.300 Was this review the polio,

00:20:47.060 the one of six licensed

00:20:48.400 polio vaccines in question,

00:20:50.760 you said received its

00:20:51.740 license in 1990,

00:20:52.740 that was 35 years ago.

00:20:53.880 Did anyone over the

00:20:54.980 course of 35 years say,

00:20:56.140 wait a second,

00:20:57.760 you know,

00:20:57.980 the process used to

00:20:59.800 evaluate its,

00:21:01.060 the safety of this

00:21:01.680 product was like a joke,

00:21:04.300 woefully insufficient.

00:21:05.580 Did anyone say anything

00:21:06.240 about it for all those

00:21:07.000 years up until recently?

00:21:08.720 Well,

00:21:09.280 my client,

00:21:10.520 Informal Consent Action

00:21:11.340 Network,

00:21:11.660 ICANN,

00:21:12.720 has been beating on

00:21:14.060 that drum now for,

00:21:15.860 you know,

00:21:17.440 a good eight,

00:21:18.580 almost eight years

00:21:19.500 with the FDA,

00:21:20.360 starting with an extensive

00:21:23.240 letter about all of

00:21:24.500 these shortcomings in

00:21:26.020 2017.

00:21:27.100 ICANN was formed at the

00:21:27.860 end of 2016.

00:21:29.780 And you might say,

00:21:31.220 well,

00:21:31.560 the vaccine had been

00:21:33.260 licensed for decades at

00:21:34.480 that point,

00:21:35.140 you know,

00:21:36.140 why now?

00:21:37.860 Well,

00:21:38.000 first,

00:21:38.400 ICANN was just formed

00:21:39.380 then to really,

00:21:40.180 to really start looking

00:21:41.460 at these things.

00:21:42.060 And also,

00:21:43.140 you know,

00:21:44.180 in 1986,

00:21:46.300 there was something

00:21:47.060 called the National

00:21:47.760 Childhood Vaccine

00:21:48.420 Injury Act that was

00:21:48.980 passed.

00:21:50.120 I don't know if you're

00:21:50.480 familiar with that.

00:21:51.780 And basically,

00:21:54.040 leading up to 1986,

00:21:55.540 there were only three

00:21:56.120 routine vaccines in

00:21:56.980 the United States.

00:21:57.860 That's it.

00:21:58.680 A child in the first

00:21:59.680 year of life received

00:22:00.640 three injections,

00:22:02.280 according to the CDC

00:22:03.160 schedule.

00:22:04.240 Okay?

00:22:04.800 Problem is,

00:22:05.480 is that...

00:22:05.900 And what were they?

00:22:07.440 DTP,

00:22:08.060 OPV,

00:22:08.520 and MMR.

00:22:10.140 For the layman?

00:22:11.240 What are those?

00:22:11.760 So one is DTP,

00:22:13.640 with diphtheria,

00:22:14.540 tetanus,

00:22:14.780 pertussis,

00:22:15.280 so that's one vaccine.

00:22:16.720 OPV,

00:22:17.200 which is oral polio vaccine.

00:22:18.720 And then MMR is

00:22:19.680 measles,

00:22:20.580 mumps,

00:22:20.780 rubella vaccine.

00:22:21.880 So each of those

00:22:22.540 are counting

00:22:23.680 three different vaccines

00:22:25.260 on the market.

00:22:26.120 Three separate products.

00:22:27.460 So that was

00:22:28.120 the state of play

00:22:29.700 as of 1986?

00:22:30.880 That was the state of play.

00:22:32.180 That's it.

00:22:33.600 And they were causing

00:22:34.700 so much

00:22:35.320 financial losses

00:22:36.840 to the manufacturers

00:22:38.020 of those three products.

00:22:40.140 There were many companies

00:22:41.300 that made those products

00:22:42.340 that all of them

00:22:43.640 went out of business

00:22:44.380 or stopped making them

00:22:45.440 except there was

00:22:46.120 one company remaining

00:22:47.100 for each of them.

00:22:48.980 And they were threatening

00:22:50.040 to go out of business too.

00:22:51.820 Now,

00:22:53.260 Congress,

00:22:54.080 in its wisdom,

00:22:54.720 should have let

00:22:55.700 them do what

00:22:57.920 every other manufacturer

00:22:59.380 does for every other product.

00:23:01.040 You make a plane

00:23:01.880 that falls out of the sky,

00:23:02.980 make a better plane.

00:23:04.280 You make,

00:23:04.840 you make a car

00:23:06.020 that gas tank blows up,

00:23:07.580 make a better car.

00:23:08.680 You make a drug

00:23:09.680 that's causing people

00:23:10.700 to have all kinds

00:23:11.820 of complications,

00:23:12.860 make a better drug.

00:23:14.600 Instead,

00:23:15.080 Congress said,

00:23:15.560 you know what,

00:23:16.180 actually,

00:23:17.040 we'll just make it

00:23:18.360 so nobody can sue you

00:23:19.240 for the injuries

00:23:19.680 for those three products.

00:23:20.400 So these companies

00:23:21.000 had gone out of business

00:23:21.680 because of lawsuits

00:23:22.520 from people who

00:23:23.380 were injured.

00:23:24.420 That's right.

00:23:25.520 They were going to go,

00:23:26.080 yeah,

00:23:26.220 that's right.

00:23:26.740 They were succumbing

00:23:27.580 to incredible financial losses

00:23:29.320 because of the injuries

00:23:30.040 these products were causing.

00:23:31.780 And so,

00:23:32.300 you know,

00:23:32.520 when you think about it,

00:23:33.280 drugs don't have this immunity,

00:23:34.820 but Congress passed

00:23:35.640 the National Childhood

00:23:36.540 Vaccine Injury Act

00:23:37.320 in 1986

00:23:37.920 and that gave them

00:23:39.400 immunity for any injuries

00:23:40.580 from those three products,

00:23:41.960 but not only

00:23:42.540 those three products,

00:23:44.140 any other vaccine,

00:23:46.460 childhood,

00:23:47.120 routine childhood vaccine

00:23:48.240 that came on the market

00:23:50.140 thereafter.

00:23:51.460 And so,

00:23:52.000 we have gone

00:23:52.760 from three injections

00:23:56.180 in the first year of life

00:23:57.240 on the CDC schedule,

00:23:58.240 those ones we just talked about,

00:23:59.760 to if you look

00:24:00.400 at the CDC schedule today,

00:24:02.280 you get 29 injections

00:24:04.240 in the first year of life.

00:24:05.640 If your child gets

00:24:08.100 all of the vaccines

00:24:09.960 that is currently

00:24:11.220 on the CDCs

00:24:12.360 just in the first year

00:24:13.660 of life schedule,

00:24:14.640 I'm not even counting

00:24:15.480 the four shots

00:24:16.800 that you're supposed

00:24:17.320 to get in pregnancy now,

00:24:18.240 which didn't exist

00:24:18.740 back in 86,

00:24:20.000 and that assumes

00:24:20.820 you don't get

00:24:21.160 any combination vaccines.

00:24:22.720 That's what you would get.

00:24:23.660 That's the differential

00:24:24.500 between then

00:24:25.300 and now.

00:24:27.660 And

00:24:28.100 in that same time period,

00:24:31.160 we have gone

00:24:32.040 from under 13%

00:24:33.280 of kids in America

00:24:33.960 have a chronic health issue

00:24:34.880 in the early 80s

00:24:35.640 to well over 50%

00:24:37.940 of kids today

00:24:38.700 have a chronic health issue.

00:24:40.060 And many of those

00:24:41.500 issues that have exploded

00:24:42.800 are-

00:24:43.300 From 86 to present.

00:24:44.140 From 86 to present,

00:24:45.420 yes.

00:24:46.340 And many of those

00:24:47.380 chronic health issues

00:24:48.260 amongst children

00:24:48.960 that have exploded

00:24:50.000 are immune-mediated

00:24:52.920 conditions.

00:24:54.820 Okay?

00:24:55.040 So,

00:24:55.340 something

00:24:55.720 has gone wrong

00:24:57.160 with the immune system

00:24:58.180 of our children.

00:24:59.380 I'm not saying

00:24:59.820 vaccines cause

00:25:00.580 all of that rise,

00:25:01.860 but what I am saying

00:25:04.180 is that

00:25:04.840 we do know

00:25:05.720 that vaccines

00:25:06.280 can cause

00:25:06.760 a number

00:25:07.320 of immune

00:25:08.200 and immune-mediated

00:25:08.920 neurological conditions,

00:25:10.360 including some

00:25:11.240 of the conditions

00:25:11.960 that we have seen

00:25:13.480 explode

00:25:14.020 since the early 80s.

00:25:15.760 It's obviously

00:25:16.540 not the only

00:25:17.540 environmental change,

00:25:19.980 right?

00:25:20.140 Because something

00:25:20.560 in the environment

00:25:21.020 had to change

00:25:21.720 between the early 80s

00:25:22.580 and today

00:25:23.140 to cause

00:25:24.320 this dysregulation

00:25:25.880 in our children's

00:25:26.760 immune system

00:25:27.220 to cause

00:25:27.700 all this chronic

00:25:28.220 disease.

00:25:29.800 Was it vaccines?

00:25:31.600 Was it pesticides?

00:25:33.180 Is it all the new

00:25:34.560 chemicals that are

00:25:35.140 kind of aligned

00:25:35.580 in our food?

00:25:37.080 There's a whole host

00:25:37.980 of factors

00:25:38.460 you should look at.

00:25:40.940 But when you're

00:25:41.760 talking about

00:25:42.540 immune system

00:25:43.220 dysregulation,

00:25:44.760 looking at the

00:25:45.560 products that came

00:25:47.000 online between

00:25:47.760 1986 and today,

00:25:50.460 it's pretty critical.

00:25:52.220 And so,

00:25:52.860 to answer your

00:25:53.640 question now,

00:25:54.600 you said,

00:25:55.020 well,

00:25:55.420 has anybody

00:25:55.960 asked the question

00:25:56.860 about this

00:25:57.600 clinical trial

00:25:58.300 for this polio

00:25:59.020 vaccine?

00:26:00.040 So,

00:26:00.400 when my client,

00:26:01.080 ICANN,

00:26:01.680 started really

00:26:02.320 looking at this

00:26:03.000 issue,

00:26:04.000 it said,

00:26:04.480 well,

00:26:04.680 you know,

00:26:06.240 are the vaccines

00:26:09.760 a contributor?

00:26:10.580 Because given

00:26:11.820 a lot of vaccines

00:26:12.680 in the first year

00:26:13.340 of life,

00:26:13.900 that's what's

00:26:14.480 causing these

00:26:14.900 immune system

00:26:15.480 issues.

00:26:16.680 Well,

00:26:16.860 the place

00:26:17.280 that you go

00:26:18.140 to assess

00:26:18.880 whether a product

00:26:19.500 is safe

00:26:19.980 is its

00:26:20.620 clinical trial.

00:26:21.420 Why?

00:26:22.640 It's the one

00:26:23.300 time you can

00:26:23.900 determine causation,

00:26:25.340 really,

00:26:26.240 between

00:26:26.720 a product

00:26:27.420 and a

00:26:28.080 claimed injury.

00:26:29.300 You need

00:26:30.040 a prospective

00:26:30.920 double-blind

00:26:32.360 placebo-controlled

00:26:32.980 trial,

00:26:33.400 typically,

00:26:34.060 or well-controlled

00:26:34.960 trial.

00:26:35.360 It's okay

00:26:35.660 to use

00:26:35.920 non-placebo

00:26:36.760 if you have

00:26:38.420 an existing

00:26:38.860 standard of

00:26:39.460 care that

00:26:39.800 has already

00:26:40.660 been established

00:26:41.460 as safe

00:26:41.960 in a double-blind

00:26:42.860 placebo-controlled

00:26:43.260 trial,

00:26:43.720 right?

00:26:44.540 Okay?

00:26:45.360 And so,

00:26:46.360 that process

00:26:47.360 began by

00:26:47.980 looking at

00:26:48.680 the package

00:26:50.340 inserts

00:26:50.780 and the 58

00:26:51.580 documents.

00:26:52.100 Well,

00:26:52.220 let's look

00:26:52.740 at what the

00:26:53.140 clinical trial

00:26:53.800 data says

00:26:54.560 for each

00:26:54.820 of these

00:26:54.980 products,

00:26:55.640 not only

00:26:56.320 because I

00:26:57.780 can want

00:26:58.400 to look

00:26:58.680 at that

00:26:58.920 investigation,

00:27:00.000 but also,

00:27:00.900 when our

00:27:01.540 clients call

00:27:02.200 our firm

00:27:02.700 and they

00:27:02.960 say,

00:27:03.180 hey,

00:27:03.280 my kid

00:27:03.740 went in

00:27:04.160 totally

00:27:04.560 healthy,

00:27:05.600 you know,

00:27:05.760 his baby

00:27:06.260 Apgar score

00:27:07.460 perfect,

00:27:08.760 goes in

00:27:09.340 10 minutes

00:27:09.900 after getting

00:27:10.500 a shot

00:27:11.160 or these

00:27:11.740 shots,

00:27:12.200 has a

00:27:12.760 grand mal

00:27:13.140 seizure,

00:27:13.680 bubble,

00:27:14.040 you know,

00:27:14.320 has a

00:27:14.620 cascade of

00:27:15.140 issues.

00:27:16.840 When we

00:27:17.400 go to

00:27:17.820 vaccine

00:27:18.500 court,

00:27:20.300 the program

00:27:21.000 I told you

00:27:21.460 about,

00:27:21.620 because you

00:27:21.860 can't sue

00:27:22.240 the manufacturer,

00:27:23.020 you sue

00:27:23.320 the Secretary

00:27:23.920 of Health

00:27:24.240 and Immune

00:27:24.420 Services,

00:27:24.980 and if

00:27:25.260 Mr.

00:27:26.520 Kennedy

00:27:26.720 becomes,

00:27:27.500 for example,

00:27:27.900 the Secretary

00:27:28.240 of HHS,

00:27:28.680 we'd actually

00:27:29.040 be suing

00:27:29.400 him,

00:27:29.940 ironically.

00:27:31.160 You sue

00:27:31.640 the Secretary

00:27:32.140 of HHS,

00:27:33.460 and in a

00:27:34.300 program where

00:27:34.780 almost every

00:27:35.600 claim,

00:27:36.040 you have to

00:27:36.380 prove causation.

00:27:37.660 I have to

00:27:37.960 prove it.

00:27:39.160 Okay?

00:27:39.500 I'm an MD,

00:27:40.160 I'm a PhD,

00:27:41.160 I'm a lawyer.

00:27:42.980 So,

00:27:43.440 when I go to

00:27:44.020 court about

00:27:44.380 vaccines,

00:27:44.960 I have to

00:27:45.380 prove things

00:27:45.960 with real

00:27:46.480 evidence.

00:27:47.340 I need

00:27:47.720 good evidence.

00:27:48.260 I don't

00:27:48.380 get to just

00:27:48.820 say stuff,

00:27:49.260 I don't

00:27:49.840 get to

00:27:50.160 appeal to

00:27:50.900 my credentials.

00:27:52.740 Okay,

00:27:53.080 how do I

00:27:53.800 prove it?

00:27:54.680 Starts with

00:27:55.220 clinical trial

00:27:55.720 data,

00:27:56.180 because everything

00:27:56.920 after licensure

00:27:57.860 is almost all

00:27:58.920 retrospective

00:27:59.700 epidemiological

00:28:00.400 studies,

00:28:01.380 and those,

00:28:02.080 they say,

00:28:02.620 can never

00:28:02.960 show causation.

00:28:03.920 You roll

00:28:04.300 into court

00:28:04.680 with those,

00:28:05.120 they're like,

00:28:05.400 well,

00:28:05.520 that's just

00:28:06.080 correlation.

00:28:07.020 You can't

00:28:07.400 prove anything

00:28:07.820 with that.

00:28:09.300 And by the

00:28:10.020 way,

00:28:10.600 it's not even

00:28:11.520 like there's

00:28:11.840 a mountain

00:28:12.120 of that stuff.

00:28:13.080 If you go

00:28:13.680 to PubMed

00:28:14.200 and you

00:28:14.540 wanted to

00:28:14.900 research the

00:28:15.440 safety of

00:28:15.800 any particular

00:28:16.360 child of

00:28:16.700 vaccine,

00:28:17.560 you're not

00:28:17.980 going to

00:28:18.240 find a lot

00:28:18.740 of studies.

00:28:19.160 I know

00:28:19.280 they say

00:28:19.540 these most

00:28:19.860 robustly

00:28:20.380 studied

00:28:20.620 products,

00:28:21.180 but there's

00:28:22.640 what they

00:28:23.220 say,

00:28:23.560 and there's

00:28:23.800 a reality

00:28:24.520 to the

00:28:25.980 state of

00:28:26.320 the science.

00:28:27.000 So bringing

00:28:27.820 this all

00:28:28.200 the way

00:28:28.380 back.

00:28:28.860 And the

00:28:29.020 reality is

00:28:29.760 that they're

00:28:30.060 just not

00:28:30.440 studied very

00:28:31.000 closely.

00:28:32.160 And this

00:28:32.980 polio vaccine

00:28:33.720 is a great

00:28:34.240 example,

00:28:35.520 and as well

00:28:36.080 as the other

00:28:36.500 two petitions

00:28:37.120 they took

00:28:37.520 issue with

00:28:37.940 in the news

00:28:38.360 recently.

00:28:39.400 So in this

00:28:39.980 one petition,

00:28:42.300 here we are,

00:28:44.360 right,

00:28:46.000 two or

00:28:46.480 20-something

00:28:47.680 years later,

00:28:48.260 we've got

00:28:48.740 this explosion

00:28:49.420 of chronic

00:28:49.840 health in

00:28:50.220 our children,

00:28:51.680 and the

00:28:53.140 manufacturer of

00:28:53.980 this product,

00:28:54.640 this was a

00:28:55.060 novel product

00:28:55.860 at the

00:28:56.300 time,

00:28:57.220 the manufacturer's

00:28:57.960 product,

00:28:59.160 20-something

00:28:59.780 years later,

00:29:00.280 still needs

00:29:00.820 immunity

00:29:01.120 liability?

00:29:02.520 You still

00:29:02.920 don't know

00:29:03.180 it's safe

00:29:03.540 enough to

00:29:03.900 live that?

00:29:04.420 Really?

00:29:05.220 It's been

00:29:05.520 how many

00:29:05.800 years?

00:29:07.840 Right?

00:29:08.500 So,

00:29:09.180 Merit's really

00:29:09.780 looking into.

00:29:11.460 Look at the

00:29:12.120 clinical trial.

00:29:13.120 Like I said,

00:29:14.240 on behalf of

00:29:14.800 ICANN,

00:29:15.300 we FOIA'd

00:29:16.320 the FDA for

00:29:17.080 all the

00:29:17.340 clinical trial

00:29:17.780 reports,

00:29:18.320 we sent

00:29:18.920 them letters,

00:29:19.420 we did

00:29:19.640 everything we

00:29:20.000 can to

00:29:20.420 give them

00:29:20.780 an opportunity

00:29:21.340 to show us

00:29:21.980 it's more

00:29:22.400 than three

00:29:22.780 days with

00:29:23.560 no control

00:29:24.040 because that

00:29:24.600 is not

00:29:26.100 believable.

00:29:26.960 Meaning if you

00:29:27.580 had said to

00:29:28.040 me,

00:29:28.400 you said,

00:29:29.320 Aaron,

00:29:30.100 come up with

00:29:30.820 the most

00:29:31.120 nefarious thing

00:29:31.820 you can come

00:29:32.120 up with about

00:29:32.480 vaccines,

00:29:32.900 like,

00:29:33.760 just go crazy.

00:29:35.100 I wouldn't

00:29:35.800 even dream of

00:29:36.540 saying that to

00:29:37.140 you because

00:29:38.540 nobody would

00:29:38.960 believe it.

00:29:39.500 It sounds

00:29:40.700 crazy,

00:29:41.560 but it's

00:29:42.140 right there.

00:29:43.020 It is the

00:29:43.600 reality.

00:29:44.820 And so,

00:29:45.800 we filed a

00:29:46.480 petition that I

00:29:47.100 think if anybody

00:29:47.960 in America

00:29:48.540 read,

00:29:49.780 if you didn't

00:29:50.020 read the

00:29:50.360 headline of

00:29:51.020 the New York

00:29:51.300 Times,

00:29:51.640 but instead

00:29:52.180 read the

00:29:53.580 actual petition,

00:29:55.200 you'd be like,

00:29:55.640 oh,

00:29:55.740 that's very

00:29:56.100 reasonable.

00:29:56.840 So,

00:29:57.140 you license a

00:29:57.780 completely novel,

00:29:59.680 yes,

00:29:59.940 polio vaccine

00:30:00.700 based on

00:30:01.400 essentially

00:30:02.120 cancerous monkey

00:30:02.760 kidney cells that

00:30:03.660 end up as an

00:30:04.200 ingredient,

00:30:05.280 and your review

00:30:05.740 saved you for

00:30:06.080 three days after

00:30:06.560 injection with

00:30:07.040 no control.

00:30:07.520 So,

00:30:08.680 the petition

00:30:09.040 said,

00:30:09.680 hey,

00:30:10.140 FDA,

00:30:11.100 excuse me,

00:30:12.360 can you require

00:30:13.160 a proper clinical

00:30:13.960 trial of this

00:30:14.500 product,

00:30:14.940 please,

00:30:15.860 before it's

00:30:16.460 licensed?

00:30:16.960 And it was

00:30:17.240 only asked to

00:30:18.220 children.

00:30:18.820 That's what the

00:30:19.320 request was in

00:30:20.220 this petition

00:30:20.660 filed on behalf

00:30:21.280 of ICANN.

00:30:22.380 Okay?

00:30:22.940 So,

00:30:23.220 let me address

00:30:23.580 two things.

00:30:24.380 Wait,

00:30:24.560 so that was

00:30:25.160 the ask just

00:30:25.960 for a clinical

00:30:26.400 trial?

00:30:27.380 Before it's

00:30:28.320 licensed for

00:30:29.020 children.

00:30:29.740 Yes.

00:30:30.060 And so,

00:30:30.440 what we're

00:30:30.660 asking now,

00:30:31.620 just to

00:30:32.100 understand,

00:30:33.820 it's not

00:30:34.560 even like ICANN

00:30:35.660 wanted to

00:30:36.220 withdraw the

00:30:36.840 licensure of

00:30:37.400 this one

00:30:37.680 product.

00:30:38.420 It's not

00:30:38.720 the point.

00:30:40.160 The clinical

00:30:40.660 trials are done

00:30:41.280 by the

00:30:41.560 manufacturer.

00:30:42.420 They're not

00:30:42.700 done by the

00:30:43.580 FDA.

00:30:44.780 Okay?

00:30:45.240 They're done

00:30:45.640 by the

00:30:45.940 manufacturer.

00:30:47.040 So,

00:30:47.360 how do we

00:30:47.700 get the

00:30:48.040 manufacturer to

00:30:48.780 do another

00:30:49.420 clinical trial

00:30:49.980 that's

00:30:50.200 appropriate?

00:30:51.220 Well,

00:30:51.600 you have to

00:30:52.140 when you

00:30:52.440 file a

00:30:53.140 request with

00:30:53.760 the FDA

00:30:54.160 on their

00:30:54.560 formal

00:30:54.960 docket,

00:30:55.720 like when

00:30:56.060 Pfizer files

00:30:56.740 a request

00:30:57.200 on this

00:30:57.960 formal docket

00:30:58.560 that we use,

00:30:59.360 FDA hates

00:30:59.860 that we use

00:31:00.280 it because

00:31:00.560 it means only

00:31:01.320 pharma companies

00:31:01.860 typically use

00:31:02.380 it.

00:31:02.940 They're like,

00:31:03.240 we'd like to

00:31:03.600 license this

00:31:03.980 product.

00:31:04.220 We would

00:31:04.480 like to

00:31:04.720 change the

00:31:05.020 licensure.

00:31:05.440 We would

00:31:05.620 like to

00:31:06.000 change that

00:31:06.940 company's

00:31:07.340 licensure because

00:31:07.880 of this,

00:31:08.400 right?

00:31:09.060 So,

00:31:09.520 we use the

00:31:10.040 same document

00:31:10.740 on behalf of

00:31:11.240 Ican and we

00:31:11.680 filed on it

00:31:12.580 and we said,

00:31:13.500 hey,

00:31:14.080 we want you to

00:31:14.880 take this

00:31:15.220 action,

00:31:15.720 but we have

00:31:16.140 to ask them

00:31:16.720 to change

00:31:17.180 some action

00:31:18.280 the FDA

00:31:18.640 took.

00:31:18.980 Well,

00:31:19.140 the only

00:31:19.420 action they

00:31:19.940 took was

00:31:20.240 to license

00:31:20.680 it.

00:31:21.540 So,

00:31:22.020 the valve

00:31:22.620 to ask

00:31:23.240 them to

00:31:23.660 get them

00:31:24.420 to require

00:31:25.920 a new

00:31:26.400 trial is

00:31:27.320 to say,

00:31:28.400 pause or

00:31:30.340 pull the

00:31:30.740 licensure for

00:31:31.520 this one

00:31:32.020 product until

00:31:33.400 there's a

00:31:33.700 proper trial.

00:31:34.920 Okay?

00:31:35.420 It was the

00:31:36.240 legal mechanism

00:31:37.120 to get

00:31:37.580 another trial.

00:31:39.300 It wasn't,

00:31:39.820 the purpose

00:31:40.200 wasn't to get

00:31:40.680 rid of the

00:31:41.020 vaccine.

00:31:42.220 The purpose

00:31:42.760 was to get

00:31:43.360 them to do

00:31:44.620 a proper

00:31:45.300 trial.

00:31:45.700 And in

00:31:46.100 no universe,

00:31:47.100 to be clear,

00:31:47.940 did we ever

00:31:48.580 think,

00:31:49.660 my client

00:31:50.220 ever think,

00:31:50.920 and I

00:31:51.360 ever think,

00:31:51.860 that the FDA

00:31:52.340 would actually

00:31:53.060 pull the

00:31:53.700 licensure.

00:31:54.100 We just

00:31:54.420 hoped,

00:31:54.840 thought,

00:31:55.520 they'd say,

00:31:55.960 hey,

00:31:56.160 go do a

00:31:56.580 proper clinical

00:31:57.100 trial.

00:31:57.460 They're on

00:31:57.820 to us.

00:31:58.680 It's now

00:31:58.980 been,

00:31:59.500 that petition

00:32:00.060 was filed

00:32:00.360 in 2022.

00:32:01.240 It's been

00:32:01.500 years.

00:32:02.060 They haven't

00:32:02.460 done it.

00:32:02.940 And I like

00:32:03.440 to make

00:32:03.680 this point

00:32:04.040 very clear.

00:32:05.280 Just super

00:32:06.100 clear.

00:32:06.480 I really

00:32:06.880 got to set

00:32:07.320 this record

00:32:07.720 straight.

00:32:08.360 It's so

00:32:08.720 important.

00:32:10.500 Even if

00:32:11.500 this petition

00:32:12.160 was granted,

00:32:13.880 there is

00:32:14.820 not a

00:32:15.340 single

00:32:15.940 child or

00:32:17.620 adult in

00:32:18.140 America

00:32:18.520 that would

00:32:19.180 not have

00:32:19.580 had access

00:32:20.160 to a

00:32:20.420 polio vaccine.

00:32:21.440 Not one.

00:32:23.480 That is what

00:32:24.140 makes the

00:32:24.880 New York Times

00:32:25.900 headlines

00:32:26.380 absolutely

00:32:27.660 false.

00:32:28.660 They knew

00:32:29.040 it was

00:32:29.280 false.

00:32:30.020 They intended

00:32:30.880 for the

00:32:31.860 country to

00:32:32.260 be deceived

00:32:32.620 because they're

00:32:32.920 trying

00:32:33.440 desperately

00:32:34.280 to derail

00:32:35.540 Mr.

00:32:35.920 Kennedy's

00:32:36.360 nomination.

00:32:36.820 And I'll

00:32:37.820 just...

00:32:38.400 I know you

00:32:39.880 don't like

00:32:40.080 to speculate

00:32:40.540 as to

00:32:40.900 motive,

00:32:41.520 but it

00:32:42.880 does raise

00:32:43.560 this confusing

00:32:46.160 question.

00:32:46.840 Why would

00:32:47.420 the New York

00:32:47.940 Times,

00:32:49.820 A, be so

00:32:50.800 opposed to

00:32:51.440 Bobby Kennedy?

00:32:53.060 It's a

00:32:53.660 liberal newspaper.

00:32:54.380 He's a

00:32:54.600 lifelong

00:32:54.940 liberal.

00:32:55.820 Was.

00:32:56.240 Kennedy was.

00:32:57.380 Right.

00:32:58.040 In their

00:32:58.300 minds.

00:32:59.240 Yeah.

00:32:59.600 He is a

00:33:00.480 classical

00:33:00.860 liberal.

00:33:01.220 Oh, I

00:33:01.700 couldn't agree

00:33:02.840 more.

00:33:03.440 And I

00:33:04.200 would say

00:33:04.420 this compliment

00:33:04.940 believes in

00:33:05.760 civil liberties.

00:33:06.740 We all

00:33:07.000 should.

00:33:07.960 But why

00:33:09.420 would the

00:33:09.800 New York

00:33:10.080 Times be

00:33:12.040 willing to

00:33:13.500 lie in

00:33:15.420 order to

00:33:16.200 keep him

00:33:16.620 from getting

00:33:17.040 confirmed?

00:33:19.540 Why is it

00:33:20.140 so important?

00:33:22.180 I think it's

00:33:23.080 probably a mix

00:33:23.960 like many things

00:33:24.860 in life of a

00:33:25.400 number of

00:33:25.760 factors.

00:33:26.420 For sure.

00:33:26.860 I think that

00:33:27.780 it matters

00:33:28.260 whether you're

00:33:28.640 looking at the

00:33:29.200 level of the

00:33:29.780 two reporters

00:33:30.360 that wrote

00:33:30.740 this piece

00:33:31.280 at the

00:33:32.220 level of

00:33:32.640 the New

00:33:32.920 York Times

00:33:33.320 as an

00:33:33.580 organization

00:33:34.160 at the

00:33:35.100 various

00:33:35.400 people

00:33:35.780 between

00:33:36.600 those

00:33:36.840 two

00:33:36.980 reporters

00:33:37.380 and

00:33:37.860 New

00:33:38.040 York

00:33:38.140 Times

00:33:38.320 as an

00:33:38.480 organization

00:33:38.740 that

00:33:39.140 had

00:33:39.880 some

00:33:40.140 hand in

00:33:40.580 that

00:33:40.740 piece

00:33:41.120 before it

00:33:41.580 came out.

00:33:42.440 I think

00:33:42.800 it's probably

00:33:43.280 a blend

00:33:43.760 of ranging

00:33:44.940 from ideology.

00:33:46.800 You know,

00:33:47.200 I will tell

00:33:47.780 you,

00:33:47.920 these two

00:33:48.280 authors of

00:33:48.800 this article,

00:33:50.020 I mean,

00:33:50.460 they are in

00:33:51.060 the category

00:33:51.480 of what I

00:33:51.820 would call

00:33:52.100 vaccine

00:33:52.500 zealots.

00:33:53.540 I mean,

00:33:53.840 they,

00:33:54.140 I think,

00:33:54.420 are incapable

00:33:55.200 of objectively

00:33:56.100 thinking and

00:33:57.460 looking at

00:33:57.780 this product.

00:33:58.180 Do you remember their

00:33:58.200 names?

00:34:00.740 Their names

00:34:02.460 are Cheryl

00:34:03.200 and Christina

00:34:05.500 and I

00:34:06.520 could pull it

00:34:07.760 up if you'd

00:34:08.240 like.

00:34:08.800 If people are

00:34:09.940 interested,

00:34:10.340 the first names

00:34:10.760 are great.

00:34:11.520 People can

00:34:11.780 find it.

00:34:12.100 Yeah,

00:34:12.360 they're right

00:34:13.240 there on the

00:34:13.620 article.

00:34:14.380 You can't,

00:34:15.240 but from,

00:34:15.920 you know,

00:34:16.200 over the years

00:34:17.040 and Cheryl,

00:34:18.000 you know,

00:34:18.280 has reached

00:34:18.580 out and,

00:34:19.900 you know,

00:34:20.460 you never have

00:34:21.960 a conversation

00:34:22.440 with somebody

00:34:23.120 and you're

00:34:23.380 like,

00:34:23.600 hey,

00:34:23.760 look,

00:34:24.000 look at this

00:34:24.560 fact right

00:34:25.140 here.

00:34:26.040 And they

00:34:26.280 just,

00:34:27.440 instead of

00:34:27.880 responding to it,

00:34:28.600 they just

00:34:28.900 immediately go to

00:34:29.800 something else.

00:34:31.240 Right?

00:34:31.540 Because they

00:34:31.920 can't deal

00:34:32.440 with that

00:34:32.800 fact,

00:34:33.300 so they

00:34:33.620 just bring

00:34:33.940 up something

00:34:34.260 else.

00:34:34.520 I feel like

00:34:35.000 that's a sign

00:34:36.160 to me of

00:34:36.840 a lack

00:34:37.680 of being

00:34:37.940 able to

00:34:38.280 really

00:34:38.560 objectively

00:34:39.140 evaluate the

00:34:39.820 evidence in

00:34:40.300 front of you.

00:34:40.820 And I feel

00:34:41.220 like that,

00:34:41.720 you know,

00:34:42.600 there's an

00:34:44.040 issue there.

00:34:44.580 So there's

00:34:44.880 ideology.

00:34:46.380 And then

00:34:46.640 there's also,

00:34:48.140 you have to

00:34:48.880 look at,

00:34:49.420 always got to

00:34:50.060 look at

00:34:50.340 somebody's

00:34:50.640 financial

00:34:50.940 interests.

00:34:51.400 Always,

00:34:51.860 right?

00:34:52.280 Because it

00:34:52.760 conforms their

00:34:53.480 conduct,

00:34:54.020 whether in

00:34:54.720 one way or

00:34:55.080 another.

00:34:56.120 As objective

00:34:56.880 as we all

00:34:57.320 think we would

00:34:57.820 like to believe

00:34:58.400 we are and

00:34:59.200 we should

00:34:59.520 all strive

00:35:00.380 for it,

00:35:01.520 financial

00:35:02.020 interests affect

00:35:03.320 us.

00:35:03.860 They do.

00:35:04.460 Yes,

00:35:04.640 they do.

00:35:05.040 And so where

00:35:05.540 does New York

00:35:05.960 Times get some

00:35:06.620 of its financing?

00:35:07.900 Is there any

00:35:09.040 dollars that flow

00:35:09.820 to their

00:35:10.140 advertising

00:35:10.580 coffers from

00:35:11.460 those who

00:35:12.380 want informed

00:35:12.940 consent,

00:35:13.940 medical freedom,

00:35:14.560 or is there

00:35:15.620 more dollars

00:35:16.120 that flow

00:35:16.460 from pharmaceutical

00:35:17.040 companies?

00:35:18.240 And so,

00:35:18.700 you know,

00:35:18.920 that's maybe

00:35:19.480 a consideration

00:35:20.040 as well.

00:35:20.560 So what's the

00:35:20.940 answer to that

00:35:21.300 question?

00:35:21.940 Oh,

00:35:22.080 it's obviously

00:35:22.620 more from

00:35:23.160 the medical

00:35:24.920 pharmaceutical

00:35:25.940 industry flows

00:35:27.120 to the New

00:35:27.420 York Times.

00:35:28.020 I don't believe

00:35:28.780 that there are

00:35:29.300 many medical

00:35:30.340 freedom and

00:35:31.000 informed consent

00:35:31.380 organizations with

00:35:32.000 a lot of

00:35:32.360 money.

00:35:33.500 So I don't

00:35:35.840 think that's

00:35:36.240 there.

00:35:36.660 Is pharma a

00:35:37.360 big advertiser?

00:35:38.920 I don't know

00:35:39.980 the percentage,

00:35:40.640 but I mean,

00:35:41.080 I've seen ads,

00:35:42.200 so I've not

00:35:42.940 dug into it.

00:35:43.620 I have not

00:35:44.560 engaged in

00:35:45.400 trying to

00:35:45.740 answer the

00:35:46.120 question you

00:35:46.540 just asked me.

00:35:47.500 So you asked

00:35:49.300 me to speculate,

00:35:49.900 so I speculated.

00:35:51.220 You know,

00:35:51.340 I mean,

00:35:51.760 again,

00:35:52.880 whatever their

00:35:54.040 motives are,

00:35:54.580 they did it.

00:35:55.740 And the reason

00:35:56.280 that I,

00:35:56.820 and just to,

00:35:57.540 you know,

00:35:57.700 I'll wrap up

00:35:58.180 the point of

00:35:58.660 why they knew

00:35:59.620 it was false

00:36:00.260 and why it

00:36:00.840 was false

00:36:01.340 is that the

00:36:02.600 petition only

00:36:04.280 asked for

00:36:05.740 the re-evaluation

00:36:07.180 as to children,

00:36:08.760 which would have

00:36:09.220 meant,

00:36:09.520 even if the

00:36:09.820 petition was

00:36:10.240 granted,

00:36:10.600 it would have

00:36:10.920 made available

00:36:11.740 for all adults

00:36:12.540 in America,

00:36:13.040 licensed,

00:36:14.360 okay,

00:36:14.820 which would

00:36:15.440 have meant

00:36:15.800 it would have

00:36:16.120 remained off-label

00:36:17.140 use for all

00:36:17.780 children,

00:36:19.040 right?

00:36:19.260 So nobody

00:36:19.800 would have

00:36:20.020 been deprived

00:36:20.480 in America

00:36:21.200 for even

00:36:22.040 that one

00:36:22.900 vaccine we

00:36:23.460 asked about,

00:36:24.760 but putting

00:36:25.240 that aside,

00:36:26.520 there are five

00:36:27.060 other licensed

00:36:28.240 vaccines for

00:36:28.960 children.

00:36:30.460 Polio on the

00:36:31.040 CDC schedule

00:36:31.720 is given a

00:36:32.240 two,

00:36:32.820 four,

00:36:33.480 six months

00:36:33.940 of age

00:36:34.280 and four

00:36:34.600 years of age,

00:36:35.380 and there

00:36:36.140 are five

00:36:36.620 other shots

00:36:37.160 you can get

00:36:37.560 at those

00:36:37.860 intervals

00:36:38.240 because they're

00:36:38.880 given with

00:36:39.820 other vaccines

00:36:40.500 at those

00:36:40.920 time periods.

00:36:42.020 So it would

00:36:44.560 have taken

00:36:44.920 them two

00:36:45.340 seconds of

00:36:45.860 thinking to

00:36:46.360 know their

00:36:47.520 headline of

00:36:48.120 the polio

00:36:48.680 vaccine is

00:36:49.260 going to be

00:36:49.500 eliminated was

00:36:50.840 absolutely a

00:36:51.580 lie.

00:36:52.340 Why do you,

00:36:52.700 I mean,

00:36:53.060 why do you

00:36:54.040 think they

00:36:54.360 did it?

00:36:54.780 because I

00:36:57.780 think Bobby

00:36:58.740 Kennedy,

00:36:59.740 well,

00:37:00.260 because some

00:37:01.200 of them are

00:37:01.580 vaccine zealots,

00:37:02.960 I think that's

00:37:03.640 right,

00:37:03.840 I've certainly

00:37:04.140 seen a lot

00:37:04.680 of that,

00:37:05.160 but I also

00:37:05.700 think there's

00:37:06.440 something about

00:37:07.180 the way he

00:37:08.900 assesses facts

00:37:11.080 and history

00:37:12.480 that's terrifying

00:37:13.920 to a certain

00:37:15.620 sort of person

00:37:16.500 who's very vested

00:37:17.680 in the current

00:37:18.240 system,

00:37:19.100 who's a rigid

00:37:20.840 dogmatic thinker,

00:37:22.000 a lot of them

00:37:22.380 are,

00:37:23.340 a lot of

00:37:23.760 the dumber

00:37:24.020 people are

00:37:24.580 rigid and

00:37:25.020 dogmatic in

00:37:25.600 case you

00:37:25.860 haven't noticed,

00:37:27.560 it's a sign of

00:37:29.140 mediocrity in my

00:37:29.960 opinion,

00:37:30.500 but it's very

00:37:31.260 common in our

00:37:32.560 professional class,

00:37:34.000 and Bobby,

00:37:35.300 like Trump,

00:37:35.920 is the kind of

00:37:36.600 person who

00:37:37.480 assesses things

00:37:38.860 on the basis

00:37:39.720 of what he

00:37:40.300 sees and

00:37:42.020 doesn't

00:37:42.600 necessarily

00:37:43.040 genuflect

00:37:43.560 before,

00:37:44.140 you know,

00:37:45.740 the pieties

00:37:46.260 that all of

00:37:46.880 us have to

00:37:47.380 or are

00:37:47.740 required to,

00:37:48.500 you know,

00:37:49.100 whatever we're

00:37:49.340 supposed to

00:37:49.580 say,

00:37:49.840 he doesn't

00:37:50.240 necessarily go

00:37:50.780 along with

00:37:51.140 that,

00:37:51.760 and that

00:37:52.920 temperament

00:37:53.880 is incredibly

00:37:55.720 threatening.

00:37:56.260 Once you start

00:37:56.620 asking questions,

00:37:58.280 you know,

00:37:58.760 are these

00:37:59.260 products safe?

00:38:01.000 You might

00:38:01.660 wind up asking

00:38:02.600 other questions,

00:38:03.440 like,

00:38:03.780 why do we

00:38:04.060 have NATO?

00:38:04.480 or how

00:38:06.980 was John

00:38:08.880 F.

00:38:09.120 Kennedy

00:38:09.280 murdered?

00:38:09.880 Like,

00:38:10.060 what was

00:38:10.400 that?

00:38:10.640 I mean,

00:38:10.780 there's people

00:38:12.220 who ask

00:38:12.780 uncomfortable

00:38:14.080 questions in

00:38:15.900 one area

00:38:17.020 are likely to

00:38:17.820 ask uncomfortable

00:38:18.820 questions in

00:38:19.400 other areas,

00:38:20.260 and if your

00:38:21.020 entire system

00:38:21.800 is built on

00:38:22.960 lies,

00:38:24.140 that's,

00:38:25.360 you know,

00:38:25.720 a huge threat.

00:38:27.360 That's my

00:38:27.940 personal view.

00:38:29.760 I'll build on

00:38:30.260 that then,

00:38:31.120 which is,

00:38:33.080 when you look

00:38:34.340 at the last

00:38:34.800 40 years,

00:38:36.400 who has been

00:38:37.220 one of the

00:38:37.560 big supporters

00:38:38.260 in many ways

00:38:39.380 of what's

00:38:40.780 occurred,

00:38:41.820 right?

00:38:42.100 You don't

00:38:42.360 often,

00:38:43.100 a lot of

00:38:43.440 times you'll

00:38:43.780 see the

00:38:44.020 New York

00:38:44.200 Times supportive

00:38:44.920 of what

00:38:46.220 the HACS

00:38:47.940 administration

00:38:48.480 has been

00:38:49.480 doing over

00:38:49.960 the last

00:38:50.260 40 years,

00:38:50.900 and where's

00:38:51.780 that gotten

00:38:52.140 us over

00:38:52.500 the last

00:38:52.800 40 years?

00:38:53.800 Let's think

00:38:54.160 about this

00:38:54.560 for a second.

00:38:56.020 So,

00:38:56.580 under the

00:38:58.080 current approach

00:38:59.460 that's been

00:38:59.800 going on,

00:39:00.320 which Bobby

00:39:00.780 stands in

00:39:01.220 opposition to

00:39:01.840 in many ways,

00:39:02.540 right?

00:39:02.800 And I'm not

00:39:03.420 talking about

00:39:03.680 just vaccines,

00:39:04.020 I'm talking

00:39:04.420 about the

00:39:05.240 way business

00:39:05.660 is done

00:39:06.060 across health,

00:39:07.040 right?

00:39:07.420 I'm not

00:39:07.620 talking about

00:39:08.120 just vaccines

00:39:08.660 right now.

00:39:10.260 When you

00:39:10.760 look over

00:39:11.060 the last

00:39:11.280 40 years,

00:39:11.760 we've already

00:39:12.360 talked about

00:39:12.780 child chronic

00:39:13.400 health gone

00:39:14.040 exploding,

00:39:15.440 right?

00:39:15.640 Which is,

00:39:16.140 you know,

00:39:16.540 suffering on

00:39:17.160 a micro scale.

00:39:18.600 You know,

00:39:18.740 each one of

00:39:19.100 these families

00:39:19.640 that has a

00:39:20.200 kid with a

00:39:20.640 chronic health

00:39:21.040 issue,

00:39:21.280 it's devastating.

00:39:21.820 When we have

00:39:22.160 families with

00:39:23.340 a vaccine

00:39:23.700 injured kid,

00:39:24.320 it's a

00:39:24.920 devastating event.

00:39:26.380 But then,

00:39:27.580 there's also

00:39:28.300 the macro issue

00:39:29.160 too,

00:39:29.480 which is,

00:39:31.040 we got $35

00:39:31.820 trillion in debt,

00:39:33.360 we have

00:39:34.740 almost $2

00:39:35.820 trillion a year

00:39:36.740 that we can't

00:39:38.120 cover of what

00:39:38.920 we spend in this

00:39:39.660 country.

00:39:39.880 We're bringing

00:39:40.220 in $4

00:39:40.600 point something

00:39:41.020 trillion in

00:39:41.600 revenue.

00:39:43.200 And just one

00:39:44.840 agency,

00:39:45.460 CMS,

00:39:46.020 that does

00:39:46.380 Medicare,

00:39:46.760 Medicaid,

00:39:47.000 is almost $1.7

00:39:48.180 trillion of our

00:39:49.500 $6 trillion budget.

00:39:51.580 And when you look

00:39:52.200 at the growth curve

00:39:52.980 of that agency

00:39:54.240 alone,

00:39:55.220 it's just

00:39:56.080 skyrocketing.

00:39:56.820 if a few

00:39:58.680 countries stop

00:39:59.660 using our

00:40:00.240 dollars or

00:40:01.480 national reserve

00:40:02.160 currency,

00:40:03.000 we could be in

00:40:03.640 a death spiral.

00:40:04.580 I mean,

00:40:04.720 this is how

00:40:05.060 empires fail.

00:40:07.080 And what is

00:40:07.860 driving a

00:40:08.720 massive component

00:40:10.120 of our

00:40:12.120 national debt?

00:40:13.220 It's healthcare

00:40:13.800 spending.

00:40:14.540 And it's gonna

00:40:15.040 rise and it's

00:40:15.880 gonna increase.

00:40:17.420 And really,

00:40:18.460 Congress,

00:40:18.940 unfortunately,

00:40:19.340 has in many

00:40:19.720 ways rigged the

00:40:20.500 rules for

00:40:21.560 Medicaid and

00:40:22.120 Medicaid.

00:40:22.400 so it's

00:40:23.240 really hard

00:40:23.920 to reduce

00:40:24.660 the total

00:40:25.880 spend other

00:40:27.040 than getting

00:40:27.880 people healthier.

00:40:29.080 And that is

00:40:29.500 what Bobby

00:40:29.960 wants.

00:40:30.640 That's all

00:40:31.340 he's focused

00:40:31.820 on.

00:40:32.480 He has no

00:40:33.580 interests

00:40:35.140 that extend

00:40:37.060 in my

00:40:38.420 experience with

00:40:39.160 him beyond

00:40:39.960 that.

00:40:40.900 He is genuinely

00:40:42.120 committed to

00:40:43.440 helping people

00:40:44.040 and saving

00:40:44.320 people.

00:40:44.960 And I think

00:40:45.380 you're right.

00:40:46.020 He stands

00:40:46.700 against what

00:40:48.160 has brought

00:40:49.100 us to this

00:40:49.580 place.

00:40:50.680 And in

00:40:51.280 many ways,

00:40:51.840 I guess,

00:40:52.220 you know,

00:40:52.580 you're right

00:40:53.080 in that

00:40:53.740 if he's

00:40:55.320 right,

00:40:56.040 if there

00:40:56.860 are a

00:40:57.260 whole host

00:40:57.880 of things

00:40:58.720 that our

00:40:59.460 health agencies

00:41:00.380 have been

00:41:00.800 doing or

00:41:02.000 ignoring or

00:41:03.660 not proper

00:41:04.120 studying,

00:41:05.060 and I'm

00:41:05.300 talking about

00:41:05.600 everything right

00:41:06.080 now,

00:41:07.100 it would

00:41:08.120 show that

00:41:08.480 the New York

00:41:08.800 Times and

00:41:09.400 all of these

00:41:09.880 papers have

00:41:10.260 not been

00:41:10.500 doing their

00:41:10.800 job.

00:41:11.280 It was

00:41:11.500 five years

00:41:12.180 ago this

00:41:12.700 month that

00:41:13.200 people started

00:41:13.700 to drop

00:41:14.240 dead in the

00:41:14.860 central Chinese

00:41:15.460 city of

00:41:16.160 Wuhan.

00:41:17.040 Five years

00:41:17.920 since the

00:41:18.300 beginning of

00:41:18.760 COVID.

00:41:19.360 Tens of

00:41:20.000 millions dead.

00:41:20.980 Societies

00:41:21.500 reordered

00:41:22.500 completely.

00:41:23.440 Economies

00:41:23.960 destroyed.

00:41:24.680 And yet,

00:41:25.140 for some

00:41:25.540 reason,

00:41:25.900 we still

00:41:26.220 don't know

00:41:27.020 answers to

00:41:27.860 the most

00:41:28.100 basic questions.

00:41:29.140 Where did

00:41:29.340 this virus

00:41:29.800 come from?

00:41:30.540 How did

00:41:30.860 it get

00:41:31.260 here?

00:41:31.960 Why did

00:41:32.400 the government

00:41:32.860 tell us to

00:41:33.420 do things

00:41:33.920 they knew

00:41:34.360 wouldn't work?

00:41:35.320 None of

00:41:35.780 those questions

00:41:36.360 have been

00:41:36.620 adequately

00:41:37.040 answered.

00:41:37.600 And one

00:41:38.040 man knows

00:41:38.620 those answers.

00:41:39.480 His name

00:41:39.760 is Dr.

00:41:40.180 Tony Fauci.

00:41:41.240 Until now,

00:41:42.340 nobody has

00:41:43.140 really pressed.

00:41:43.960 And now,

00:41:44.820 a documentary

00:41:45.280 filmmaker called

00:41:46.180 Jenner

00:41:46.460 First is

00:41:47.060 out with

00:41:47.540 a new

00:41:48.120 film explaining

00:41:49.700 exactly what

00:41:50.940 happened.

00:41:51.360 The film was

00:41:51.740 called Thank

00:41:52.420 You,

00:41:52.640 Dr.

00:41:53.040 Fauci.

00:41:53.700 Jenner

00:41:53.900 First spent

00:41:54.420 years trying

00:41:55.200 to get

00:41:55.460 answers.

00:41:55.920 And in

00:41:56.080 that time,

00:41:56.640 as he

00:41:56.860 awaited

00:41:57.260 Dr.

00:41:57.580 Fauci's

00:41:57.920 response,

00:41:58.840 he went

00:41:59.120 through tens

00:41:59.660 of thousands

00:42:00.200 of pages

00:42:00.800 of documents

00:42:01.700 and pieced

00:42:02.700 together the

00:42:03.300 story,

00:42:03.580 which is

00:42:03.820 shocking.

00:42:04.380 We are

00:42:04.620 proud to

00:42:05.180 host that

00:42:05.640 documentary

00:42:06.060 here on

00:42:06.520 TCN from

00:42:07.400 December 20th

00:42:08.400 to January

00:42:09.020 19th.

00:42:09.560 You will see it

00:42:09.980 exclusively here

00:42:10.740 on TCN.

00:42:11.900 Again,

00:42:12.040 Thank You,

00:42:13.400 Dr.

00:42:13.840 Fauci.

00:42:14.620 And it's

00:42:15.060 worth it.

00:42:31.340 So,

00:42:32.060 just to kind

00:42:33.380 of tie a bow

00:42:33.820 in the New

00:42:34.080 York Times

00:42:34.600 story element

00:42:36.060 of this

00:42:36.460 conversation,

00:42:37.900 they made

00:42:39.740 the claim

00:42:40.420 that you

00:42:41.620 or you

00:42:42.240 and Bobby

00:42:42.500 Kennedy

00:42:42.820 are pro

00:42:44.320 polio.

00:42:44.860 What other

00:42:45.180 claims did

00:42:45.540 they make?

00:42:46.840 They also

00:42:47.380 said we

00:42:47.700 were trying

00:42:48.000 to get

00:42:48.220 rid of

00:42:48.480 hep B

00:42:48.760 vaccines.

00:42:50.400 And then

00:42:50.960 they pointed

00:42:51.620 to yet

00:42:52.120 another

00:42:52.440 petition

00:42:52.840 that I

00:42:53.100 could talk

00:42:53.460 about.

00:42:55.860 Because,

00:42:56.500 again,

00:42:57.140 the petition

00:42:57.680 that we

00:42:57.980 filed with

00:42:58.360 regards to

00:42:58.740 hep B

00:42:59.000 vaccines,

00:42:59.540 and again,

00:42:59.900 only with

00:43:00.480 regards to

00:43:00.880 two of

00:43:01.220 them.

00:43:01.520 There are

00:43:01.820 others.

00:43:02.860 Okay?

00:43:03.200 So,

00:43:03.880 there were

00:43:04.200 not about

00:43:04.860 all hep B

00:43:05.320 vaccines.

00:43:07.040 And again,

00:43:07.600 it was

00:43:07.760 filed on

00:43:08.060 behalf of

00:43:08.380 our client,

00:43:08.860 ICANN.

00:43:09.660 Not on

00:43:10.120 behalf of

00:43:10.400 Mr.

00:43:10.540 Kennedy.

00:43:10.800 He knew

00:43:11.280 nothing about

00:43:11.880 it.

00:43:12.020 He had

00:43:12.180 nothing to

00:43:12.560 do with

00:43:12.860 it.

00:43:13.540 Right?

00:43:13.820 So,

00:43:14.120 the association

00:43:14.760 with him

00:43:15.080 is totally

00:43:15.500 false.

00:43:17.080 And it

00:43:17.540 would have

00:43:17.740 left Americans

00:43:18.920 without access

00:43:19.820 to hep B

00:43:20.140 vaccines.

00:43:20.580 So,

00:43:20.720 that was

00:43:20.980 false,

00:43:21.420 too.

00:43:22.640 What did

00:43:23.200 the petition

00:43:23.540 actually ask

00:43:24.380 for?

00:43:25.060 Well,

00:43:25.220 let me tell

00:43:25.580 you,

00:43:25.920 because that's

00:43:26.420 what should

00:43:26.700 have been

00:43:26.880 the headline.

00:43:27.980 The headline

00:43:28.480 should have

00:43:28.900 been the

00:43:29.460 following in

00:43:30.300 the New

00:43:30.420 York Times.

00:43:31.900 FDA

00:43:32.320 licenses

00:43:33.040 hep B

00:43:33.980 vaccines for

00:43:34.600 infants and

00:43:35.160 toddlers based

00:43:35.920 on clinical

00:43:36.400 trial with

00:43:36.860 five days

00:43:38.580 or less

00:43:39.200 of safety

00:43:39.700 monitoring

00:43:40.140 after injection

00:43:40.940 and no

00:43:41.660 control group.

00:43:42.460 That should

00:43:43.160 have been

00:43:43.320 the headline.

00:43:45.000 That is

00:43:46.580 patently

00:43:47.360 insufficient to

00:43:48.560 determine

00:43:49.080 safety.

00:43:50.460 And I think

00:43:50.960 anybody that

00:43:51.580 reads the

00:43:52.240 petition that

00:43:53.180 was filed

00:43:53.540 with the

00:43:53.800 FDA would

00:43:54.680 find it

00:43:55.140 eminently

00:43:55.600 reasonable

00:43:56.020 because it

00:43:56.800 doesn't just

00:43:57.220 say you

00:43:58.000 did this.

00:43:58.500 it starts

00:43:59.200 with in

00:43:59.700 2017 we

00:44:00.620 said to

00:44:01.020 you how

00:44:01.800 could you

00:44:02.120 do this?

00:44:02.560 You didn't

00:44:02.900 really do

00:44:03.320 this.

00:44:03.580 Give us

00:44:03.820 documents.

00:44:04.760 And then

00:44:05.020 they gave

00:44:05.280 us an

00:44:05.500 answer and

00:44:06.080 they didn't

00:44:06.580 provide anything

00:44:07.100 of substance.

00:44:08.020 Then we

00:44:08.280 did it again

00:44:08.760 on behalf

00:44:09.180 of ICANN

00:44:09.760 and we

00:44:10.100 FOIA'd

00:44:10.460 them.

00:44:10.720 Then we

00:44:10.960 sued

00:44:11.200 them.

00:44:12.020 On behalf

00:44:13.520 of ICANN

00:44:13.820 we did

00:44:14.080 this for

00:44:14.380 years and

00:44:14.920 then we

00:44:15.180 finally

00:44:15.520 brought the

00:44:15.900 petition.

00:44:17.360 Again

00:44:17.680 saying come

00:44:18.340 on you

00:44:18.640 got to

00:44:18.900 require

00:44:19.160 proper

00:44:19.580 clinical

00:44:19.920 trial.

00:44:21.000 Again

00:44:21.180 this is

00:44:21.800 yet these

00:44:22.520 were two

00:44:22.860 vaccines that

00:44:23.400 also came

00:44:24.040 online during

00:44:25.560 that period

00:44:26.100 between 1986

00:44:26.860 and now

00:44:27.820 that were

00:44:28.480 part of the

00:44:29.020 explosion of

00:44:29.640 chronic health

00:44:30.060 condition.

00:44:30.560 Let's make

00:44:31.100 sure they're

00:44:31.640 really safe

00:44:32.460 and the way

00:44:32.800 to do that

00:44:33.160 is a proper

00:44:33.520 clinical trial.

00:44:35.720 The New York

00:44:36.320 Times also

00:44:37.040 accused us

00:44:38.060 of wanting

00:44:39.340 to get rid

00:44:40.220 of a bunch

00:44:40.640 of other

00:44:40.980 vaccines.

00:44:41.800 Okay?

00:44:42.060 Because there

00:44:42.320 was a third

00:44:42.760 petition that

00:44:43.820 was filed

00:44:44.080 with the FDA.

00:44:44.680 Again after a

00:44:45.520 lot of back

00:44:45.980 and forth.

00:44:47.100 And that

00:44:47.440 petition I

00:44:48.840 think most

00:44:49.220 people again

00:44:49.660 would find

00:44:50.020 eminently

00:44:50.720 reasonable.

00:44:52.940 That petition

00:44:53.720 was based

00:44:54.460 on a

00:44:55.440 peer-reviewed

00:44:56.080 study that

00:44:57.220 came out

00:44:57.780 by the

00:44:58.280 world's

00:44:58.640 leading

00:44:59.200 aluminum

00:44:59.820 expert

00:45:00.500 and four

00:45:01.280 of his

00:45:01.520 colleagues.

00:45:02.460 And what

00:45:03.020 did this

00:45:03.460 paper find

00:45:04.220 in this

00:45:04.600 peer-reviewed

00:45:05.160 journal?

00:45:05.760 It found

00:45:06.620 that amongst

00:45:07.700 10 childhood

00:45:08.500 vaccines there

00:45:09.900 was far

00:45:10.540 more aluminum

00:45:11.420 adjuvant in

00:45:12.420 the vial

00:45:13.120 or far less

00:45:15.900 in the vial

00:45:16.780 than what was

00:45:17.300 on the FDA

00:45:18.320 label for

00:45:19.120 those vaccines.

00:45:20.320 So you got

00:45:20.880 a label,

00:45:21.760 the FDA

00:45:22.100 approved label,

00:45:23.580 it says it's

00:45:24.140 got 0.5

00:45:24.960 let's say

00:45:25.280 micrograms,

00:45:25.860 but the

00:45:26.780 finding was

00:45:27.360 that it

00:45:27.620 had double

00:45:28.260 maybe inside

00:45:28.940 of it.

00:45:29.620 That's a

00:45:30.260 serious

00:45:30.700 concern.

00:45:32.260 Aluminum

00:45:32.560 adjuvants are

00:45:33.340 neuro and

00:45:33.980 cytotoxic.

00:45:34.960 They're what

00:45:35.320 you use to

00:45:35.960 induce auto

00:45:36.800 immunity in

00:45:37.400 lab animals.

00:45:39.000 They're not

00:45:39.840 like candy.

00:45:41.740 If I just

00:45:42.260 injected you

00:45:43.080 with just

00:45:44.460 dead pieces

00:45:45.160 of proteins

00:45:46.020 from a

00:45:46.940 pertussis

00:45:47.360 bacteria,

00:45:48.520 your body

00:45:48.900 would probably

00:45:49.320 macrophages

00:45:50.060 and dendritic

00:45:50.480 cells would

00:45:50.800 probably just

00:45:51.120 gobble it up

00:45:51.640 and throw it

00:45:51.960 away as

00:45:52.260 garbage.

00:45:52.540 Because to

00:45:53.600 have a real

00:45:54.100 immune reaction,

00:45:54.840 you have to

00:45:55.100 have cellular

00:45:55.640 death.

00:45:56.800 You have to

00:45:57.160 have cellular

00:45:57.520 death.

00:45:58.180 And how do

00:45:58.820 bacteria cause

00:45:59.500 cellular death?

00:46:00.100 They're replicating

00:46:00.600 and killing

00:46:00.920 cells.

00:46:01.260 Viruses are

00:46:02.080 taking over

00:46:02.460 cells.

00:46:02.840 But if you

00:46:03.180 have just

00:46:03.860 dead pieces

00:46:04.500 of protein

00:46:05.020 in the

00:46:05.500 vial,

00:46:06.200 it's not

00:46:06.400 going to

00:46:06.520 do much.

00:46:07.180 So they

00:46:07.640 include

00:46:07.980 aluminum

00:46:08.280 adjuvants.

00:46:09.960 Aluminum is

00:46:10.740 bound to

00:46:11.200 silica acid

00:46:11.860 in the

00:46:12.120 ground.

00:46:12.780 Humans

00:46:13.020 did not

00:46:13.460 come into

00:46:13.780 contact

00:46:14.280 ever with

00:46:15.180 aluminum

00:46:15.540 throughout

00:46:15.920 all human

00:46:16.380 history for

00:46:16.980 the most

00:46:17.240 part.

00:46:17.420 Until

00:46:17.980 not long

00:46:19.260 ago in

00:46:19.880 the scale

00:46:20.520 of human

00:46:20.800 history,

00:46:21.300 we started

00:46:22.280 mining it

00:46:24.320 and separating

00:46:25.120 the silica

00:46:25.620 acid.

00:46:26.420 Most

00:46:26.900 metals that

00:46:27.400 you come

00:46:27.880 into contact

00:46:28.320 with in

00:46:28.580 the environment

00:46:29.000 have a human

00:46:29.940 function like

00:46:30.680 iron,

00:46:31.480 magnesium.

00:46:32.780 Your body

00:46:33.140 has some

00:46:33.580 mechanism it

00:46:34.200 uses it

00:46:34.600 for.

00:46:35.440 Aluminum

00:46:35.840 has no

00:46:36.680 biological

00:46:37.420 function in

00:46:38.000 your body,

00:46:38.460 zero.

00:46:38.840 That's why

00:46:39.140 when you

00:46:39.400 have an

00:46:39.600 aluminum

00:46:39.900 can,

00:46:40.920 you know

00:46:41.120 how it

00:46:41.320 can survive

00:46:42.280 forever and

00:46:43.140 bacteria and

00:46:43.720 virus don't

00:46:44.100 grow because

00:46:44.460 it's toxic

00:46:45.180 to life.

00:46:46.440 Okay?

00:46:46.600 People think

00:46:47.680 of aluminum

00:46:48.040 as if it's

00:46:49.720 ubiquitous

00:46:50.300 because it's

00:46:51.060 now ubiquitous

00:46:51.900 in our,

00:46:52.500 you know,

00:46:52.820 but the,

00:46:55.060 so aluminum

00:46:55.860 having too

00:46:56.540 much or too

00:46:56.960 little is

00:46:57.500 problematic and

00:46:58.300 the aluminum

00:46:58.860 that you

00:46:59.280 ingest is

00:47:00.780 usually an

00:47:01.240 ionic form,

00:47:02.020 you know,

00:47:02.240 like in the

00:47:02.560 periodic table

00:47:03.060 of elements,

00:47:03.640 it's like

00:47:04.020 tiny,

00:47:05.120 you know,

00:47:05.480 tiny,

00:47:05.800 tiny piece

00:47:06.100 of aluminum.

00:47:06.920 So if this

00:47:07.460 cup was an

00:47:08.300 ion of

00:47:08.720 aluminum that

00:47:09.200 you ingested

00:47:09.700 which,

00:47:10.420 you know,

00:47:10.660 wouldn't cross

00:47:11.120 the blood-brain

00:47:11.580 barrier,

00:47:12.340 which your

00:47:12.720 body could,

00:47:13.500 you know,

00:47:14.120 use its

00:47:15.140 pathways to

00:47:15.780 get rid of,

00:47:16.600 a piece of

00:47:17.820 aluminum

00:47:18.200 adjuvant would

00:47:18.980 be like the

00:47:19.400 size of this

00:47:19.860 whole city

00:47:20.360 we're sitting

00:47:20.780 in,

00:47:21.280 okay?

00:47:21.520 On the

00:47:22.100 micro scale,

00:47:22.940 it's massive.

00:47:24.440 So it gets

00:47:25.180 injected into

00:47:25.980 your arm

00:47:26.640 with the

00:47:28.600 vaccine,

00:47:29.340 it's in the

00:47:29.900 vial to cause

00:47:30.660 cellular death

00:47:31.500 at the

00:47:31.740 injection site,

00:47:33.160 okay?

00:47:33.440 so that

00:47:34.700 your blood

00:47:36.320 neutrophils

00:47:37.080 come pouring

00:47:37.600 out and

00:47:38.020 you have

00:47:38.260 that

00:47:38.380 inflammation

00:47:38.760 that you

00:47:39.280 see when

00:47:39.580 you have

00:47:39.740 an infection

00:47:40.120 and it gets

00:47:40.360 red and

00:47:41.520 that's your

00:47:41.800 immune system

00:47:42.220 working and

00:47:42.740 those aluminum

00:47:44.620 adjuvants are

00:47:45.240 bound to the

00:47:46.120 antigens.

00:47:47.000 So when your

00:47:47.540 macrophages and

00:47:48.340 zedric cell,

00:47:48.780 those are immune

00:47:49.480 system cells,

00:47:50.840 take them and

00:47:51.920 go to your

00:47:52.240 lymph nodes to

00:47:52.840 create antibodies,

00:47:54.460 adaptive immunity,

00:47:55.700 right?

00:47:56.760 After they're done

00:47:57.620 doing that,

00:47:58.220 where does the

00:47:58.860 aluminum

00:47:59.100 adjuvant go?

00:48:00.240 Well, let me

00:48:00.600 tell you,

00:48:01.500 the CDC and

00:48:02.180 others have

00:48:02.520 done studies

00:48:03.140 where they

00:48:03.400 inject aluminum

00:48:04.020 adjuvant into

00:48:04.620 animals and

00:48:05.140 then they

00:48:05.400 sacrifice them,

00:48:06.720 you know,

00:48:06.860 they mark the

00:48:07.340 aluminum adjuvant

00:48:07.740 with like a

00:48:08.800 fluorescence so

00:48:09.400 they could see

00:48:09.760 where is it

00:48:10.260 afterwards and

00:48:10.780 they can,

00:48:11.140 you know,

00:48:11.360 shine it on

00:48:11.860 the animal.

00:48:12.400 It ends up

00:48:12.980 in all their

00:48:13.420 organs,

00:48:13.840 their brain,

00:48:14.420 their lungs,

00:48:15.480 their heart

00:48:16.180 everywhere.

00:48:17.460 So that's not

00:48:18.160 good, you know,

00:48:18.980 having that kind

00:48:21.420 of material deposited

00:48:23.280 is not good.

00:48:23.980 So you don't want

00:48:24.400 too much of it

00:48:25.060 in a vial,

00:48:25.840 okay?

00:48:26.700 I'm not saying

00:48:27.260 what kind of

00:48:27.680 harm,

00:48:27.880 I'm just saying

00:48:28.220 you don't want

00:48:28.660 too much and

00:48:29.060 you don't want

00:48:29.400 too little

00:48:29.780 because that

00:48:30.340 presents efficacy

00:48:31.020 issues and

00:48:32.400 even safety

00:48:33.000 issues.

00:48:34.000 So the

00:48:34.260 petition,

00:48:34.920 all it asked

00:48:35.500 for,

00:48:36.060 and those

00:48:36.500 might have

00:48:37.280 been too

00:48:37.880 much detail

00:48:38.320 about aluminum,

00:48:39.540 but the

00:48:40.100 petition,

00:48:41.300 all it asked

00:48:41.700 for is it

00:48:42.300 said,

00:48:42.620 hey,

00:48:44.000 FDA,

00:48:44.640 and if you

00:48:44.980 read it,

00:48:45.780 the ask was

00:48:46.500 this,

00:48:47.660 please confirm,

00:48:49.200 please provide

00:48:49.800 documents that

00:48:50.460 confirm that the

00:48:51.060 amount of

00:48:51.420 aluminum

00:48:51.660 management in

00:48:52.160 the vial of

00:48:52.840 these 10

00:48:53.200 child vaccines

00:48:53.700 matches what's

00:48:57.400 on the product

00:48:57.920 label.

00:48:58.760 And if you

00:48:59.180 can't,

00:48:59.720 and you don't

00:49:00.320 have that

00:49:00.680 documentation,

00:49:01.140 and you can't

00:49:02.060 show,

00:49:02.740 then pause

00:49:03.340 distribution until

00:49:04.240 you do,

00:49:05.180 because that's a

00:49:05.720 serious safety

00:49:06.360 issue and

00:49:07.240 efficacy issue.

00:49:08.380 You're giving

00:49:08.780 kids vaccines

00:49:09.360 that might have

00:49:10.100 safety concerns,

00:49:11.440 like a shot in

00:49:12.100 the dark in

00:49:12.560 many ways,

00:49:14.000 and also may

00:49:14.700 not even be

00:49:15.120 efficacious,

00:49:16.380 may not even

00:49:16.920 produce the

00:49:17.560 immunity you're

00:49:18.020 looking for.

00:49:19.080 That petition was

00:49:19.980 filed years and

00:49:21.000 years and years

00:49:21.700 ago,

00:49:22.060 and still they

00:49:22.760 have not

00:49:23.020 confirmed it one

00:49:23.660 way or another.

00:49:24.060 Again, the

00:49:27.580 point of these

00:49:28.760 petitions was not

00:49:29.820 to actually stop

00:49:30.740 the distribution

00:49:31.280 of these vaccines.

00:49:32.480 ICANN didn't

00:49:33.060 want to do

00:49:33.440 that.

00:49:33.960 It just wanted

00:49:34.740 them to do

00:49:35.320 proper safety

00:49:35.980 studies.

00:49:37.120 That's really

00:49:37.720 it.

00:49:38.040 The legal

00:49:38.440 mechanism was

00:49:39.460 to say,

00:49:40.600 pause it,

00:49:41.180 so that they

00:49:41.540 then would

00:49:41.820 require the

00:49:42.520 science.

00:49:43.020 Otherwise,

00:49:43.780 there's no

00:49:44.060 legal mechanism

00:49:44.660 to get the

00:49:45.300 FDA to do

00:49:45.980 the things

00:49:46.300 it should

00:49:46.620 have been

00:49:46.820 doing.

00:49:47.540 And I

00:49:47.840 would like

00:49:48.180 to think

00:49:48.480 we could

00:49:48.720 all agree

00:49:49.320 that when

00:49:50.600 you go to

00:49:50.980 the store

00:49:51.440 and you get

00:49:51.760 a box of

00:49:52.220 Captain Crunch

00:49:52.760 cereal,

00:49:53.160 and you

00:49:53.800 read the

00:49:54.100 ingredients,

00:49:55.240 what's on

00:49:55.620 the ingredients

00:49:56.140 should match

00:49:56.960 what's in

00:49:58.260 the box.

00:49:59.400 Right.

00:49:59.720 And in the

00:50:00.040 case of the

00:50:00.500 third petition,

00:50:01.260 it wasn't

00:50:01.660 just that you

00:50:02.320 showed the

00:50:03.400 safety testing

00:50:03.980 was inadequate.

00:50:05.120 There was

00:50:05.620 evidence of

00:50:06.080 an actual

00:50:06.400 problem.

00:50:07.220 The ingredients

00:50:07.880 didn't match

00:50:08.460 the label.

00:50:09.120 Absolutely.

00:50:09.860 Right.

00:50:10.260 By the world's

00:50:10.920 leading aluminum

00:50:11.620 scientists.

00:50:12.540 That's right.

00:50:13.900 But the

00:50:15.360 headline wasn't

00:50:16.540 FDA shirks

00:50:18.680 its duties to

00:50:19.560 assure product

00:50:20.460 safety.

00:50:21.480 FDA,

00:50:21.840 no,

00:50:22.900 it was

00:50:23.420 by implication

00:50:25.060 Mr.

00:50:25.520 Kennedy

00:50:25.820 wants to

00:50:26.600 ban

00:50:26.860 vaccines,

00:50:27.720 which is

00:50:28.400 complete and

00:50:29.300 utter nonsense.

00:50:30.120 So the

00:50:30.620 purpose of

00:50:30.980 this piece

00:50:31.440 was obviously

00:50:32.020 not to

00:50:32.460 report the

00:50:33.020 news or

00:50:33.320 tell the

00:50:33.600 truth or

00:50:34.180 get to

00:50:34.680 the heart

00:50:34.900 of anything.

00:50:35.280 It was

00:50:35.680 to stop

00:50:36.140 Bobby

00:50:36.560 Kennedy's

00:50:37.160 nomination

00:50:38.400 at the

00:50:38.860 confirmation

00:50:39.200 stage.

00:50:40.800 Has it

00:50:41.260 been

00:50:41.380 effective?

00:50:43.060 Well,

00:50:43.820 that is

00:50:45.000 why I'm

00:50:46.560 on your

00:50:46.940 show to

00:50:47.720 make sure

00:50:48.480 everybody

00:50:48.800 understands

00:50:49.440 that the

00:50:50.940 New York

00:50:51.180 Times

00:50:51.720 deceived this

00:50:53.180 entire country

00:50:53.940 about what's

00:50:54.480 in those

00:50:54.740 petitions,

00:50:55.600 deceived the

00:50:56.640 country about

00:50:57.160 their connection

00:50:57.660 to Mr.

00:50:58.180 Kennedy.

00:50:58.820 It's nothing

00:50:59.360 to do with

00:50:59.880 him.

00:51:00.580 And I

00:51:00.800 do not

00:51:01.480 think,

00:51:02.400 thankfully,

00:51:04.560 because of

00:51:05.180 folks who are

00:51:06.280 willing to

00:51:06.620 actually cover

00:51:07.160 the truth,

00:51:08.080 and thank

00:51:08.520 goodness there

00:51:09.040 is media

00:51:09.900 that's willing

00:51:10.380 to cover

00:51:10.720 the truth

00:51:11.200 about this,

00:51:13.140 I don't

00:51:13.820 think it

00:51:14.080 will hurt

00:51:14.360 him.

00:51:14.560 But if

00:51:16.560 we were

00:51:16.780 15 years

00:51:17.420 ago,

00:51:18.300 and there

00:51:18.600 was no

00:51:19.000 alternative

00:51:19.420 media,

00:51:19.880 as it's

00:51:20.100 called,

00:51:20.860 and the

00:51:21.120 New York

00:51:21.300 Times ran

00:51:21.660 the story,

00:51:22.160 and everybody

00:51:22.500 else picked

00:51:22.900 it up,

00:51:23.860 who would

00:51:24.160 I talk

00:51:24.500 to to

00:51:25.160 tell the

00:51:25.480 truth?

00:51:25.740 Who could

00:51:26.000 I go

00:51:26.280 on?

00:51:26.440 Who would

00:51:26.660 I speak

00:51:26.980 in my

00:51:29.260 office just

00:51:29.920 talking to

00:51:30.300 the wall?

00:51:31.140 So I'm

00:51:32.180 very thankful

00:51:32.820 that there

00:51:33.260 are those,

00:51:34.760 and I'm

00:51:35.360 thankful to

00:51:35.900 the alternative

00:51:38.060 media that's

00:51:38.440 hosted me,

00:51:38.920 as well as

00:51:39.500 others who

00:51:41.460 have hosted

00:51:41.920 me.

00:51:42.220 Fox put

00:51:44.740 me on to

00:51:45.200 talk about

00:51:45.620 this,

00:51:46.300 Chris Cuomo

00:51:46.800 had me on

00:51:47.420 to his

00:51:47.740 credit,

00:51:48.180 to talk

00:51:48.460 about the

00:51:48.780 news nation,

00:51:50.000 and the

00:51:51.020 Wall Street

00:51:51.280 Journal just

00:51:51.720 published an

00:51:52.220 op-ed to

00:51:53.560 their credit,

00:51:54.320 their rivals

00:51:54.920 in the New

00:51:55.120 York Times,

00:51:55.560 I don't

00:51:55.880 know,

00:51:56.480 so maybe

00:51:56.900 that helped

00:51:57.520 as my

00:51:58.380 understanding,

00:51:59.560 so,

00:52:00.160 you know,

00:52:00.500 and it was

00:52:00.720 an op-ed,

00:52:01.180 it wasn't

00:52:01.520 a piece,

00:52:02.680 but fine,

00:52:03.560 so my

00:52:04.600 hope is that

00:52:05.140 no,

00:52:05.360 I don't

00:52:05.600 think it's

00:52:05.900 going to

00:52:06.060 hurt him

00:52:06.320 because I

00:52:08.400 like to

00:52:09.120 hope and

00:52:09.640 think the

00:52:09.980 senators will

00:52:10.480 look at the

00:52:10.920 actual facts at

00:52:11.880 the end of

00:52:12.080 the day,

00:52:12.220 on this,

00:52:13.180 and they'll

00:52:13.480 realize it

00:52:15.000 just wasn't

00:52:15.680 true,

00:52:16.120 what was in

00:52:16.500 this article,

00:52:18.740 there's,

00:52:19.240 you know,

00:52:19.620 there's just

00:52:20.020 no truth,

00:52:20.500 there's just

00:52:20.860 no truth to

00:52:21.360 the claim that

00:52:21.760 he wants

00:52:21.960 to get rid

00:52:22.160 of vaccines,

00:52:22.680 he just

00:52:23.140 wants transparency,

00:52:24.920 and he wants

00:52:25.900 good science,

00:52:26.560 and we should

00:52:26.900 all want that.

00:52:27.900 I want to

00:52:28.120 ask a specific

00:52:28.660 question that's

00:52:29.180 bothered me for

00:52:29.680 a long time,

00:52:30.160 so 1986,

00:52:31.120 Congress grants

00:52:31.760 blanket immunity

00:52:32.480 to the vaccine

00:52:33.280 manufacturers that

00:52:34.240 cannot be sued,

00:52:36.800 you know,

00:52:37.540 those are not

00:52:38.140 the only products

00:52:39.000 people sue over,

00:52:39.980 of course,

00:52:40.640 the trial bar,

00:52:42.880 which was,

00:52:43.440 you know,

00:52:43.740 famously the

00:52:44.380 most powerful,

00:52:45.320 along with

00:52:45.580 teachers unions,

00:52:46.160 the most

00:52:46.460 powerful single

00:52:48.440 constituency in the

00:52:49.320 Democratic Party

00:52:49.860 because it gave

00:52:50.220 the most money,

00:52:51.980 you know,

00:52:52.600 they've lobbied to

00:52:53.380 make it easy to

00:52:54.920 sue over anything,

00:52:56.240 you know,

00:52:56.460 OBGYN's going to

00:52:57.400 business because,

00:52:58.580 you know,

00:52:59.240 they get sued.

00:53:01.280 Why haven't they

00:53:02.320 complained about this?

00:53:03.380 It's a great

00:53:04.180 question.

00:53:05.180 I mean that.

00:53:06.680 I just think that

00:53:08.120 there's,

00:53:11.520 it's,

00:53:14.520 there aren't

00:53:17.180 many plaintiffs

00:53:17.860 firms that have

00:53:18.460 made a line of

00:53:19.440 business in it,

00:53:20.560 so it's not like

00:53:21.420 they had this line

00:53:22.580 of cases and

00:53:23.980 business suing on

00:53:24.780 vaccine injuries,

00:53:25.820 and now you've

00:53:26.780 taken it away.

00:53:27.440 I mean,

00:53:27.540 there were a few

00:53:28.120 doing it,

00:53:28.660 obviously,

00:53:29.020 back in the

00:53:29.540 early 80s,

00:53:31.120 but I think

00:53:31.500 you're talking

00:53:31.980 about like in

00:53:32.720 the decades

00:53:33.320 since,

00:53:34.020 why hasn't

00:53:34.580 the trial bar

00:53:35.180 done this?

00:53:37.780 You know,

00:53:38.400 maybe it's a

00:53:39.600 blend of ideology

00:53:40.380 and it's also

00:53:40.980 none of the big

00:53:41.620 plaintiffs side

00:53:42.960 firms have a

00:53:43.680 vaccine injury

00:53:44.200 practice,

00:53:44.860 and the ones

00:53:45.640 that do have

00:53:46.800 gotten used to

00:53:47.560 maybe the

00:53:47.940 existing system.

00:53:49.000 But it's just

00:53:49.360 weird.

00:53:50.420 I mean,

00:53:50.940 sue over

00:53:51.620 talcum powder,

00:53:52.900 asbestos,

00:53:53.900 tobacco,

00:53:55.580 slip and falls,

00:53:56.420 I mean,

00:53:56.640 you name it,

00:53:57.900 playground equipment

00:53:58.740 manufacturers,

00:54:00.840 the rest

00:54:01.900 of the medical

00:54:02.700 establishment

00:54:03.360 gets sued

00:54:03.680 constantly,

00:54:05.400 but nobody

00:54:06.020 thinks,

00:54:06.580 well,

00:54:06.680 wait,

00:54:06.940 everyone knows

00:54:07.540 there are a

00:54:07.880 lot of

00:54:08.160 vaccine injuries,

00:54:08.880 that's not

00:54:09.400 a controversial

00:54:10.140 point,

00:54:10.700 it's known,

00:54:12.440 and no one,

00:54:13.520 no lawyer

00:54:14.080 thought,

00:54:14.540 well,

00:54:14.680 wait a second,

00:54:15.500 you know,

00:54:15.880 we need to

00:54:16.500 lobby to

00:54:17.160 change this

00:54:17.840 law because

00:54:18.620 we could

00:54:19.640 save people

00:54:20.980 and make a

00:54:21.720 ton of money.

00:54:22.240 I just think

00:54:22.520 it's very

00:54:22.840 strange.

00:54:23.420 Well,

00:54:23.960 you ask me

00:54:25.640 a lot of

00:54:25.940 questions that

00:54:26.580 are complex

00:54:27.700 and require

00:54:28.080 a lot of

00:54:28.540 speculation,

00:54:29.360 but,

00:54:30.180 you know,

00:54:30.940 maybe part

00:54:32.060 of it

00:54:32.300 is that

00:54:32.820 you said

00:54:33.640 the trial

00:54:34.040 bar has

00:54:34.400 a lot

00:54:34.720 of

00:54:34.940 lobbyists,

00:54:35.700 right,

00:54:35.980 and influence,

00:54:37.060 but pharma

00:54:38.620 and health,

00:54:41.020 the healthcare

00:54:41.460 industry has,

00:54:42.500 my understanding,

00:54:43.540 over 2,000

00:54:44.700 lobbyists,

00:54:45.040 my understanding

00:54:45.380 is they have

00:54:45.860 the most

00:54:46.220 lobbyists of

00:54:46.880 any industry

00:54:48.260 out there,

00:54:49.320 double is my

00:54:50.360 understanding

00:54:50.860 in terms of

00:54:51.440 dollars,

00:54:52.180 don't quote me

00:54:53.640 on this one,

00:54:54.140 but you should

00:54:55.000 look it up,

00:54:55.500 I think,

00:54:56.100 last I heard,

00:54:57.100 and this

00:54:57.580 should be

00:54:57.820 verified,

00:54:59.000 double the

00:54:59.600 next in

00:55:00.260 line,

00:55:00.580 which I

00:55:00.800 thought was

00:55:01.100 like oil

00:55:01.420 and gas

00:55:01.820 industry.

00:55:02.740 So I

00:55:03.060 don't know

00:55:03.300 where trial

00:55:03.780 lawyers stand

00:55:04.420 in that

00:55:04.800 thing,

00:55:05.620 but I

00:55:06.220 suspect those

00:55:07.280 who would

00:55:07.760 benefit from

00:55:09.360 keeping that

00:55:09.880 immunity probably

00:55:10.580 have far more

00:55:11.120 influence,

00:55:11.760 and that's

00:55:12.100 probably why

00:55:12.540 it stays in

00:55:12.980 place.

00:55:13.240 It's just

00:55:13.580 very strange

00:55:14.460 because,

00:55:15.400 you know,

00:55:15.800 all of us,

00:55:17.560 well,

00:55:17.840 thanks to

00:55:18.200 propaganda from

00:55:19.000 organized lawyer

00:55:19.980 lobbies,

00:55:21.000 have been told

00:55:22.140 from birth that,

00:55:24.000 you know,

00:55:24.380 the civil law

00:55:26.440 keeps us safe.

00:55:27.560 You know,

00:55:28.160 if you make

00:55:28.520 a crappy

00:55:28.880 product,

00:55:29.440 again,

00:55:29.880 as you said,

00:55:30.680 if your gas

00:55:31.140 tank blows up,

00:55:32.340 some lawyer's

00:55:33.080 going to sue

00:55:33.500 the car manufacturer

00:55:34.320 and you'll get

00:55:34.640 a safer car.

00:55:35.540 That is how

00:55:36.800 product safety

00:55:37.480 works.

00:55:38.240 When you look

00:55:38.820 at countries

00:55:39.300 that don't

00:55:39.800 have,

00:55:40.420 you know,

00:55:40.800 basically

00:55:41.240 market-based

00:55:41.980 systems,

00:55:43.240 how do their

00:55:43.720 products get

00:55:44.220 safer?

00:55:44.720 They didn't.

00:55:45.720 Go look back

00:55:46.360 at other

00:55:46.640 countries in

00:55:47.160 that way.

00:55:48.080 The way that

00:55:48.720 products get

00:55:49.460 safer is the

00:55:50.560 companies in

00:55:51.000 economic interest,

00:55:51.680 which is a

00:55:52.060 good thing,

00:55:52.820 meaning their

00:55:53.300 economic interest

00:55:54.240 aligns with

00:55:55.040 safety.

00:55:55.620 I make a car,

00:55:56.540 I make a

00:55:57.620 drug,

00:55:58.240 I want to

00:55:58.880 make sure

00:55:59.200 that it's

00:55:59.820 as safe as

00:56:00.420 I can make

00:56:00.960 it so that

00:56:01.340 I can still

00:56:01.800 make money

00:56:02.420 when I sell

00:56:03.040 it and not

00:56:03.680 face exposure

00:56:05.400 downstream that

00:56:06.400 will make me

00:56:07.060 end up with a

00:56:08.320 loss.

00:56:08.880 Well,

00:56:09.000 I'm glad you

00:56:09.320 said drug,

00:56:09.920 too,

00:56:10.060 because this

00:56:11.300 immunity applies

00:56:12.160 only to vaccines.

00:56:13.060 There are lots

00:56:13.420 of drugs out

00:56:14.240 there.

00:56:15.120 Some of them

00:56:15.660 have,

00:56:16.800 you know,

00:56:17.280 all of them

00:56:18.280 have side

00:56:18.680 effects.

00:56:18.980 Some of the

00:56:19.220 side effects

00:56:19.540 are scary

00:56:20.320 as hell,

00:56:21.140 but they're

00:56:21.680 still on the

00:56:22.080 market.

00:56:22.320 And they're

00:56:23.200 given to

00:56:23.580 only very

00:56:24.180 small groups

00:56:24.980 of people.

00:56:25.780 So you have

00:56:26.240 drugs given

00:56:26.740 to small

00:56:27.240 groups of

00:56:27.600 people,

00:56:27.880 like you

00:56:28.200 said,

00:56:28.420 and they

00:56:29.180 can survive,

00:56:30.140 but a

00:56:30.620 product that

00:56:31.280 you give

00:56:31.540 to millions,

00:56:32.700 often by

00:56:33.300 coercion,

00:56:34.180 by school

00:56:34.960 mandates,

00:56:35.540 every single

00:56:36.360 year,

00:56:37.600 promoted by

00:56:38.160 the federal

00:56:38.440 government,

00:56:39.220 you can't

00:56:39.880 make a profit

00:56:40.460 on.

00:56:40.700 You don't

00:56:40.880 have to pay

00:56:41.240 a marketing

00:56:41.600 budget because

00:56:42.060 the government

00:56:42.340 does it for

00:56:42.840 you.

00:56:43.260 You don't

00:56:43.580 have to worry

00:56:44.020 about selling

00:56:44.600 it,

00:56:44.860 promoting it,

00:56:45.380 because they're

00:56:45.960 mandating it to

00:56:46.600 go to school.

00:56:47.500 Millions have

00:56:47.960 to take it.

00:56:48.920 You're raking in

00:56:49.840 billions a

00:56:50.380 year and

00:56:51.340 you still

00:56:51.720 can't turn

00:56:52.140 a profit

00:56:52.580 without the

00:56:53.100 immunity?

00:56:54.160 I mean,

00:56:54.540 it's a very

00:56:55.500 troubling reality.

00:56:56.720 It's part of

00:56:57.160 the reason I

00:56:57.600 drove that

00:56:58.060 petition.

00:56:59.220 I will give

00:56:59.540 you,

00:56:59.960 I'm going to

00:57:00.480 put this

00:57:00.820 into...

00:57:01.400 How profitable,

00:57:02.180 just to clear up

00:57:03.140 something you

00:57:03.400 said,

00:57:03.720 how profitable

00:57:04.260 are vaccines?

00:57:05.720 The vaccine

00:57:06.920 industry profits

00:57:08.760 to the tune of

00:57:09.420 billions of

00:57:10.060 dollars a year.

00:57:10.820 So it is a

00:57:11.480 legitimate profit

00:57:12.200 center for the

00:57:13.140 pharma companies?

00:57:13.500 Oh,

00:57:13.740 absolutely.

00:57:14.560 Oh my goodness.

00:57:15.340 And since the

00:57:15.960 early 80s,

00:57:17.020 it is becoming an

00:57:17.860 increasingly large

00:57:18.760 percentage of

00:57:19.300 their portfolio,

00:57:19.960 in particular for

00:57:20.740 Sanofi,

00:57:22.020 Merck,

00:57:22.840 GlaxoSmithKline,

00:57:23.800 and Pfizer.

00:57:24.540 Those four in

00:57:25.300 particular make

00:57:27.100 most of the

00:57:27.700 childhood vaccines

00:57:28.760 and vaccines in

00:57:29.520 America.

00:57:29.960 And their

00:57:30.160 portfolio,

00:57:30.780 their percentage

00:57:31.240 of portfolio

00:57:31.800 has been increasing

00:57:33.040 because imagine I

00:57:34.480 came to you and I

00:57:35.100 said,

00:57:35.340 hey,

00:57:35.660 Tucker,

00:57:35.920 I got a business

00:57:36.440 idea for you.

00:57:37.380 Okay,

00:57:37.540 you ready?

00:57:38.300 You want to hear

00:57:38.660 it?

00:57:39.020 Listen to what

00:57:39.380 we're going to

00:57:39.620 do.

00:57:40.180 We're going to

00:57:40.680 put out this

00:57:41.120 product,

00:57:41.760 okay?

00:57:42.040 Like,

00:57:42.260 what is it?

00:57:42.720 Don't worry

00:57:43.040 about it.

00:57:43.420 But we inject

00:57:43.980 into people.

00:57:44.760 Well,

00:57:44.940 why would people

00:57:45.360 take it?

00:57:46.300 Well,

00:57:46.900 the government's

00:57:47.320 going to mandate

00:57:47.740 it.

00:57:47.980 Okay,

00:57:48.320 great.

00:57:48.940 Well,

00:57:49.360 is it safe?

00:57:50.080 Don't worry

00:57:50.340 about it.

00:57:51.140 Because they're

00:57:51.740 going to give us

00:57:52.040 immunity.

00:57:52.480 Well,

00:57:53.100 I mean,

00:57:53.500 what if people

00:57:54.060 like start

00:57:54.440 attacking us

00:57:54.860 in the media?

00:57:55.440 Don't worry.

00:57:56.540 The federal

00:57:56.760 government's also

00:57:57.280 going to promote

00:57:57.740 it for us as

00:57:58.240 well as all 50

00:57:58.800 health agencies.

00:58:00.280 You'd be like,

00:58:00.940 well,

00:58:01.080 let me get this

00:58:01.540 straight.

00:58:02.180 Guaranteed market,

00:58:03.540 immunity to

00:58:04.160 liability,

00:58:05.480 it's a no-brainer.

00:58:06.900 So obviously,

00:58:07.680 yes,

00:58:08.080 vaccines have

00:58:09.520 increased.

00:58:10.320 Why did the

00:58:10.780 86 law,

00:58:12.980 passed as a

00:58:14.040 public service

00:58:14.940 in the name of

00:58:15.920 public health,

00:58:16.380 why did it

00:58:16.900 allow vaccine

00:58:18.020 manufacturers to

00:58:18.780 profit?

00:58:20.520 So,

00:58:21.040 right,

00:58:22.120 you get an

00:58:23.240 immunity shield,

00:58:24.360 but you're not

00:58:24.760 allowed to get

00:58:25.280 rich off it.

00:58:25.840 That seems fair.

00:58:26.840 Well,

00:58:27.180 what they did

00:58:27.780 was is that

00:58:28.560 they left the

00:58:29.920 financial incentive

00:58:30.720 to make more

00:58:31.440 vaccines,

00:58:32.260 but they didn't

00:58:32.960 leave the

00:58:33.300 financial incentive

00:58:34.040 that makes them

00:58:34.660 make more

00:58:34.960 vaccines that are

00:58:35.560 safe.

00:58:36.860 So what they did

00:58:37.500 is they took

00:58:38.020 away the one

00:58:39.100 true way you

00:58:40.460 assure product

00:58:41.040 safety.

00:58:41.560 And to be

00:58:42.000 clear,

00:58:42.700 there is no

00:58:43.560 other product on

00:58:44.720 the market that's

00:58:45.400 like this.

00:58:45.820 And let me draw

00:58:46.340 this into sharp

00:58:46.940 contrast for you,

00:58:48.120 okay?

00:58:49.240 Pfizer,

00:58:49.800 according to

00:58:50.180 Money Inc.'s top

00:58:51.060 five selling

00:58:51.900 drugs,

00:58:52.820 okay?

00:58:53.100 When you look

00:58:53.540 at that list,

00:58:54.580 four of them

00:58:55.300 are drugs,

00:58:55.980 one's a vaccine,

00:58:56.740 not including

00:58:57.340 COVID vaccine,

00:58:58.300 okay?

00:58:58.940 Embryl,

00:58:59.420 Eloquist,

00:58:59.860 and so forth.

00:59:00.800 If you go to the

00:59:01.620 FDA website,

00:59:02.680 everybody should do

00:59:03.300 this,

00:59:03.540 and I actually have

00:59:04.340 a chart on this

00:59:04.860 on my Twitter feed,

00:59:05.600 okay?

00:59:06.480 And you can see

00:59:07.940 what was the

00:59:09.340 clinical trial

00:59:09.940 relied upon to

00:59:10.580 license those

00:59:11.420 four drugs,

00:59:12.340 right?

00:59:12.540 The top five

00:59:13.200 selling Pfizer

00:59:13.700 products.

00:59:15.680 Most of those

00:59:16.360 clinical trials

00:59:16.960 relied upon to

00:59:17.600 license products

00:59:18.180 were multi-year

00:59:19.760 placebo-controlled

00:59:21.100 trials.

00:59:22.460 Why would Pfizer

00:59:23.240 do that?

00:59:24.260 Why would Pfizer

00:59:24.820 do that with

00:59:25.400 those products?

00:59:26.320 But when you

00:59:26.820 look at vaccine

00:59:27.640 products,

00:59:28.320 and again,

00:59:29.500 this is going to

00:59:30.740 sound crazy,

00:59:31.420 but I'm telling

00:59:31.880 you,

00:59:32.140 it's right there

00:59:32.760 on the FDA

00:59:33.100 website.

00:59:33.980 Most childhood

00:59:34.780 vaccines are

00:59:35.400 licensed based

00:59:35.900 on days or

00:59:36.700 weeks of safety

00:59:37.500 review after

00:59:37.960 injection,

00:59:39.380 virtually never a

00:59:41.260 placebo-controlled

00:59:41.880 group ever or

00:59:44.040 sometimes no

00:59:44.920 control or a

00:59:45.700 control that makes

00:59:46.180 no sense and

00:59:47.700 often underpowered,

00:59:48.720 meaning you don't

00:59:49.080 have enough kids

00:59:49.700 in it to really

00:59:50.400 assess if there's

00:59:51.100 even an issue.

00:59:52.320 So why would

00:59:53.200 Pfizer have

00:59:53.800 multi-year

00:59:54.220 placebo-controlled

00:59:54.780 trial for its

00:59:55.460 drugs but all

00:59:57.120 these vaccines are

00:59:57.960 put out with

00:59:58.560 just ridiculous,

00:59:59.820 like this polio

01:00:00.480 vaccine we talked

01:00:01.080 about,

01:00:01.740 okay?

01:00:02.460 It's because Pfizer

01:00:03.720 wants to know

01:00:05.400 whether or not

01:00:07.020 those drugs are

01:00:07.580 going to cause

01:00:07.960 harm after

01:00:08.660 they're licensed

01:00:09.280 because if it

01:00:10.420 does,

01:00:10.900 they're on the

01:00:12.040 hook.

01:00:13.020 They don't want

01:00:13.820 to end up

01:00:14.300 upside down

01:00:14.900 financially.

01:00:15.980 They don't want

01:00:16.740 to lose money

01:00:17.280 on those drugs.

01:00:18.360 So before it

01:00:19.340 goes on the

01:00:19.740 market,

01:00:20.120 they make sure

01:00:20.840 they want those

01:00:22.180 trials.

01:00:22.640 Forget,

01:00:22.880 you asked me

01:00:23.220 before about

01:00:23.500 the FDA,

01:00:23.900 forget the

01:00:24.180 FDA.

01:00:25.140 That's what

01:00:25.660 economic interest

01:00:26.600 does.

01:00:27.540 It conforms the

01:00:28.840 conduct of the

01:00:29.440 company to assure

01:00:30.300 safety and that's

01:00:31.020 a great thing.

01:00:32.080 That's part of

01:00:32.640 why our market

01:00:33.220 system works

01:00:34.380 well with regards

01:00:35.520 to product safety.

01:00:37.020 People talk

01:00:37.640 about the

01:00:38.000 lawsuits.

01:00:39.260 Yeah,

01:00:39.560 the lawsuits

01:00:40.080 are there but

01:00:40.460 it's not the

01:00:40.940 lawsuits that

01:00:41.620 make them

01:00:42.000 safe.

01:00:42.680 It's the

01:00:43.140 fact that

01:00:43.540 they want

01:00:43.900 to make

01:00:44.160 money and

01:00:44.700 most of

01:00:45.220 safety happens

01:00:46.160 before the

01:00:46.680 lawsuit.

01:00:47.580 It happens

01:00:47.940 before the

01:00:48.400 product even

01:00:48.840 goes to

01:00:49.200 market.

01:00:49.960 The company

01:00:50.360 cares,

01:00:50.920 they test it,

01:00:51.500 they evaluate it.

01:00:52.320 They don't

01:00:52.620 want to face

01:00:53.320 the liability

01:00:54.200 and be

01:00:54.620 upside down.

01:00:55.380 But when it

01:00:55.940 comes to

01:00:56.280 vaccines,

01:00:57.240 they don't

01:00:57.500 have that

01:00:57.800 interest.

01:00:58.200 When you

01:00:58.420 look at

01:00:58.780 most lawsuits

01:00:59.700 that big

01:01:00.360 companies face,

01:01:01.120 the board

01:01:01.500 members face,

01:01:02.200 the officers

01:01:02.720 face,

01:01:03.400 oftentimes

01:01:03.880 because they

01:01:04.440 cause a

01:01:04.780 financial loss,

01:01:05.700 right?

01:01:06.200 You ever hear

01:01:06.600 of a lawsuit

01:01:07.060 of securities

01:01:07.600 class action

01:01:08.240 because a

01:01:08.600 company was

01:01:08.940 immoral?

01:01:09.940 It was

01:01:10.120 unethical?

01:01:10.940 No.

01:01:11.500 It's because

01:01:11.860 they lost

01:01:12.200 money.

01:01:12.760 It's because

01:01:13.060 they didn't

01:01:13.340 do things

01:01:13.740 to maximize

01:01:14.260 money in

01:01:15.200 many ways.

01:01:16.160 And so

01:01:16.360 that's what

01:01:16.800 conforms,

01:01:17.380 that's what

01:01:17.600 drives corporate

01:01:19.220 conduct,

01:01:19.800 drives the

01:01:20.620 companies to

01:01:21.140 make decisions

01:01:21.720 about what

01:01:22.140 they're going

01:01:22.360 to do.

01:01:23.080 And you

01:01:23.520 have a

01:01:23.820 company that's

01:01:24.300 making a

01:01:24.860 product,

01:01:25.280 when they

01:01:25.480 make the

01:01:25.780 drug,

01:01:26.620 their fiduciary

01:01:27.540 duty to their

01:01:28.100 shareholders is to

01:01:29.340 make sure they

01:01:29.860 test that

01:01:30.220 properly.

01:01:30.940 But their

01:01:31.360 fiduciary duty to

01:01:32.200 their shareholders

01:01:32.660 when it comes to

01:01:33.060 vaccines is to

01:01:34.160 test them as

01:01:34.660 little as

01:01:35.240 possible.

01:01:36.000 Because if they

01:01:36.700 do test them

01:01:37.440 and they find a

01:01:37.900 problem,

01:01:38.220 then they can't

01:01:38.620 make money from

01:01:39.120 it.

01:01:39.480 They might not

01:01:39.880 get to market.

01:01:41.020 They would

01:01:41.260 actually be kind

01:01:42.300 of in some

01:01:42.740 ways, forget

01:01:43.900 ethics and

01:01:44.380 morality, they

01:01:45.260 would in many

01:01:45.660 ways violate

01:01:46.400 their fiduciary

01:01:48.060 duty to their

01:01:48.700 shareholders to

01:01:50.020 test the

01:01:51.820 vaccine too

01:01:52.420 much.

01:01:52.640 If they know

01:01:52.800 too much,

01:01:54.560 then it won't

01:01:55.060 get licensed.

01:01:56.400 It's a perversion

01:01:57.100 of it.

01:01:57.500 And then after,

01:01:58.640 so not only

01:01:59.200 did they gut

01:01:59.840 the economic

01:02:02.720 interest, there

01:02:04.180 is one other

01:02:04.700 way you would

01:02:05.060 sure product

01:02:05.400 safety, it's

01:02:05.880 a far weaker

01:02:06.640 way.

01:02:07.040 It's not

01:02:07.600 very good, but

01:02:08.460 it's there.

01:02:09.160 And that's

01:02:09.560 regulators.

01:02:10.460 And they have

01:02:10.860 a role to

01:02:11.320 play.

01:02:12.020 They have a

01:02:12.400 role to

01:02:12.700 play.

01:02:13.860 But the

01:02:14.380 regulators here

01:02:15.140 are completely

01:02:15.960 conflicted.

01:02:17.200 Because HHS,

01:02:19.100 the Department

01:02:19.440 of Health and

01:02:19.740 Human Services,

01:02:20.560 is the

01:02:20.940 department of

01:02:21.380 the federal

01:02:21.660 government in

01:02:22.080 which you

01:02:22.280 have the

01:02:22.540 CDC, the

01:02:23.280 FDA, the

01:02:23.960 NIH, all

01:02:25.040 of the health

01:02:25.420 agencies, okay?

01:02:27.380 And it is

01:02:28.580 responsible for

01:02:29.400 promoting vaccines.

01:02:31.100 So it's

01:02:31.500 responsible for

01:02:32.340 the safety of

01:02:33.440 vaccines and

01:02:34.220 promoting vaccines.

01:02:35.720 Those are in

01:02:36.280 conflict.

01:02:36.880 For example,

01:02:37.740 you think?

01:02:38.820 For example, the

01:02:39.940 Department of

01:02:40.920 Transportation is

01:02:43.200 responsible for

01:02:43.640 promoting

01:02:44.000 transportation.

01:02:44.720 So they go to

01:02:45.200 the airlines and

01:02:45.760 they say, hey,

01:02:46.360 make more planes,

01:02:47.480 get more planes in

01:02:48.060 the sky, have

01:02:48.500 more airports,

01:02:49.420 you know, and so

01:02:49.960 forth.

01:02:50.920 But who's

01:02:51.200 responsible for

01:02:51.880 safety if there's

01:02:52.580 a crash?

01:02:53.160 The NTSB, a

01:02:54.020 completely different

01:02:54.700 agency.

01:02:55.340 You separate them.

01:02:56.640 It's hard for me to

01:02:57.420 shake your hand with

01:02:58.080 industry.

01:02:58.400 I'm the government.

01:02:59.140 I say, hey, make

01:03:00.200 more planes.

01:03:00.720 And at the same

01:03:01.180 time, slap you and

01:03:02.080 say, hey, you're

01:03:03.220 out of, it's hard to

01:03:04.840 do the same role.

01:03:05.760 So you separate.

01:03:06.440 Or the Department of

01:03:07.760 Energy is responsible

01:03:08.560 for promoting nuclear

01:03:09.700 power in America.

01:03:11.040 But there's an

01:03:11.740 atomic energy, the

01:03:13.800 nuclear regulatory age,

01:03:15.100 excuse me.

01:03:15.780 Yeah, thank you.

01:03:16.580 It was responsible for

01:03:17.500 the safety of nuclear

01:03:19.160 power plants.

01:03:19.700 They completely

01:03:20.540 separate this function

01:03:21.500 with vaccines.

01:03:22.820 They're not

01:03:23.540 separated.

01:03:24.020 And

01:03:38.260 additionally, not

01:03:40.240 only do they not

01:03:40.900 separate those

01:03:41.500 absolutely diametrically

01:03:43.140 opposed duties, you

01:03:44.320 cannot have the same

01:03:45.240 department response for

01:03:46.260 both.

01:03:46.680 One will win out.

01:03:48.180 More than that,

01:03:49.060 remember what I told

01:03:49.680 you earlier.

01:03:51.080 The 1986 act that I

01:03:52.320 referenced did create a

01:03:53.720 very narrow path for

01:03:54.840 some compensation if

01:03:56.000 you're a vaccine

01:03:56.380 injured.

01:03:57.240 But you sue the

01:03:58.960 Department of Health

01:03:59.960 and Human Services,

01:04:00.820 the secretary.

01:04:01.820 You are suing the

01:04:02.660 very same federal

01:04:03.620 health department that

01:04:05.520 is responsible for

01:04:06.500 safety.

01:04:07.560 So if, and they're

01:04:08.960 represented by a

01:04:09.400 little law firm called

01:04:10.020 the Department of

01:04:10.440 Justice, you might

01:04:10.960 have heard of them,

01:04:11.480 okay?

01:04:11.980 So you're fighting

01:04:12.880 against the Department

01:04:13.660 of Justice in this

01:04:14.520 program where there's

01:04:15.640 no discovery.

01:04:16.520 Let's put that aside.

01:04:17.720 The important point is

01:04:18.540 this.

01:04:20.720 It is the only

01:04:22.580 product that I know

01:04:23.620 of where the

01:04:24.100 government defends

01:04:26.000 the product and

01:04:27.460 the industry and

01:04:28.620 the companies against

01:04:29.840 the consumer and

01:04:31.220 the citizens.

01:04:32.040 And that creates an

01:04:32.940 incredible conflict.

01:04:33.960 So if they do any

01:04:34.620 study, Tucker, think

01:04:35.580 about it.

01:04:36.160 If they do a study

01:04:36.980 that shows this

01:04:37.600 vaccine causes asthma

01:04:38.860 or causes an

01:04:39.980 increase in some

01:04:40.660 serious issue, what

01:04:42.300 are the few lawyers

01:04:43.440 that engage with

01:04:44.500 vaccine injury in this

01:04:45.000 program going to do?

01:04:45.780 Is an admission

01:04:46.620 against interest.

01:04:47.960 They're going to use

01:04:49.100 those studies, those

01:04:50.360 science to get

01:04:51.120 liability against who?

01:04:52.380 the federal

01:04:53.380 government for those

01:04:54.700 vaccine injuries.

01:04:55.500 It's an incredible

01:04:56.020 conflict.

01:04:56.340 If I bring suit

01:04:57.500 against the

01:04:58.660 secretary of HHS on

01:05:01.900 behalf of someone who's

01:05:02.620 vaccine injured and I

01:05:03.500 win, where does the

01:05:05.660 money come from?

01:05:07.320 So there is a tax.

01:05:11.600 75 cents is paid for

01:05:13.220 every vaccine dose and

01:05:14.820 that goes into a fund.

01:05:15.740 That fund has about

01:05:17.980 $3 billion right now.

01:05:19.700 It's paid out, you

01:05:21.420 know, I think over

01:05:21.940 $4 billion to date with

01:05:23.380 a cap of $250,000 in

01:05:24.920 pain and suffering and

01:05:26.340 a cap of $250,000 for

01:05:27.600 death claims.

01:05:29.020 And so it comes out of

01:05:30.260 that.

01:05:30.940 It's called the

01:05:31.440 Vaccine Injury

01:05:32.140 Compensation Fund.

01:05:33.120 So the manufacturers

01:05:34.000 are not on the hook

01:05:34.860 They still are not on

01:05:35.580 the hook for it.

01:05:36.120 No.

01:05:36.280 So the system's even

01:05:37.620 more grotesque than

01:05:38.440 you described.

01:05:40.080 There's a product made

01:05:41.040 by a publicly traded

01:05:41.840 company, a private

01:05:42.500 company, you know,

01:05:45.820 non-government.

01:05:47.720 The government requires

01:05:49.680 its citizens to buy

01:05:51.360 the product.

01:05:53.020 The manufacturer

01:05:53.680 product cannot be sued

01:05:54.640 if the product is

01:05:55.320 faulty.

01:05:56.800 And if someone's

01:05:58.060 injured, they have to

01:06:00.040 fight the government

01:06:00.920 to get paid.

01:06:02.200 And when they do get

01:06:03.040 paid, the manufacturer

01:06:04.020 doesn't have to pay.

01:06:06.640 Right.

01:06:07.240 And well, and I'll add

01:06:08.340 to it in that this,

01:06:09.580 when you sue the

01:06:10.160 government, it's not

01:06:11.100 like you get an

01:06:11.800 Article 3 judge,

01:06:12.920 you know, Article 1,

01:06:13.620 2, and 3 of the

01:06:14.080 Constitution, Article 3

01:06:15.000 created the judiciary.

01:06:16.440 There are judges that

01:06:17.280 are, you know, that are

01:06:19.020 nominated and confirmed

01:06:19.840 by the Senate.

01:06:20.380 You don't get an

01:06:20.880 Article 3 judge.

01:06:21.880 You get something called

01:06:22.480 a special master in

01:06:23.440 this program, which is,

01:06:26.120 I will submit, is in

01:06:28.240 many ways policy-driven.

01:06:29.460 So there are things

01:06:29.920 that will compensate.

01:06:31.600 There are things that

01:06:32.080 won't, they don't want

01:06:32.580 to compensate dead

01:06:33.160 babies, basically almost

01:06:34.840 on a policy basis.

01:06:36.220 Okay?

01:06:36.640 They, there are things.

01:06:38.900 Well, that would,

01:06:40.540 people won't vaccinate.

01:06:43.420 Come on!

01:06:45.260 I mean, ideology around

01:06:47.020 these products is very

01:06:47.980 strong.

01:06:49.460 I'm, I'm, that I don't

01:06:51.240 joke about.

01:06:51.860 I mean, people are very

01:06:53.000 ideological around this

01:06:54.800 product.

01:06:55.060 They believe without

01:06:55.740 vaccines, everyone will

01:06:56.860 die.

01:06:57.300 I mean, that's the

01:06:57.820 typical retort.

01:06:58.540 Oh, you want a proper

01:06:59.420 clinical trial?

01:07:00.500 Everyone will die in

01:07:01.280 get polio.

01:07:02.000 Oh, you, you filed a

01:07:03.260 petition on a novel polio

01:07:05.000 vaccine from 1990, and

01:07:07.380 that would have left

01:07:07.860 nobody without a polio

01:07:09.080 vaccine, even if granted

01:07:10.100 that just asked for a

01:07:11.420 proper clinical trial.

01:07:12.480 Oh, you want everybody

01:07:13.600 to get polio and die.

01:07:14.840 I mean, this is the, you

01:07:16.040 just saw it happen.

01:07:16.920 But you could be for

01:07:18.260 vaccines.

01:07:20.080 I'm not sure I am, but

01:07:21.220 you could be, many people

01:07:22.700 are, I always have been,

01:07:24.200 and still demand good

01:07:25.260 vaccines.

01:07:26.180 I'm for cars.

01:07:27.220 I think it's fair to

01:07:28.140 expect they're not going

01:07:28.820 to blow up.

01:07:29.440 I don't, it doesn't even

01:07:30.380 make sense.

01:07:31.120 I don't understand what

01:07:32.160 that means, by the way,

01:07:33.380 to be pro, for, or

01:07:34.760 against vaccines, or pro,

01:07:35.920 or anti-vaccines.

01:07:36.980 I mean, I'm not for or

01:07:38.060 against cars, I'm not pro

01:07:39.240 or anti-cars.

01:07:40.620 Cars have a purpose, they

01:07:41.580 have a function.

01:07:42.380 Sometimes I want to use

01:07:43.240 them, sometimes I don't.

01:07:44.200 If you want to, like, park

01:07:45.380 it in my bedroom, I don't

01:07:46.360 want it to, I mean, they

01:07:47.660 just, it's just a product.

01:07:49.480 And this is the problem,

01:07:50.420 this is what I'm talking

01:07:51.200 about, is that they're just

01:07:52.920 a product.

01:07:54.160 They're a product.

01:07:54.940 They were not given to

01:07:56.360 Moses at Sinai.

01:07:58.160 They're a product made by

01:07:59.680 companies.

01:08:00.700 And the problem is, is

01:08:01.760 that people just can't talk

01:08:03.880 about them objectively.

01:08:04.820 Like, it's, it's a problem

01:08:07.640 and it feeds into, so you

01:08:09.080 said, I think that this

01:08:10.880 program and the federal

01:08:12.260 government, they, they also

01:08:14.900 are part and parcel of the

01:08:16.280 overall objective.

01:08:18.240 Let me put it this way.

01:08:20.260 Agencies set policy.

01:08:22.180 The CDC is not a science

01:08:23.260 organization.

01:08:24.200 It's a political organization.

01:08:26.500 What do political

01:08:27.380 organizations do?

01:08:28.320 They set policies and then

01:08:29.760 they subscribe and they

01:08:31.340 follow them.

01:08:31.960 Exactly.

01:08:32.500 Okay.

01:08:32.740 So the CDC, for example,

01:08:34.120 I'll give you a great

01:08:34.600 example.

01:08:35.460 There's something called

01:08:35.940 the MMWR.

01:08:36.940 It's, it's what they call

01:08:38.600 it's their scientific

01:08:39.200 publication.

01:08:39.980 It's what I call their

01:08:40.500 newsletter.

01:08:41.060 Okay.

01:08:41.720 And, and they publish

01:08:42.680 studies in it.

01:08:43.820 All right.

01:08:45.040 And those studies are often

01:08:46.660 used to then set CDC

01:08:48.520 policy.

01:08:49.380 But here's the thing.

01:08:50.000 They don't go through a

01:08:50.960 peer review process.

01:08:52.260 They go through something

01:08:53.360 called, this is all on the

01:08:54.220 CDC website, a clearance

01:08:56.140 process within CDC.

01:08:57.280 And one of those steps is

01:09:00.760 that the study must align

01:09:02.740 with the CDC policy.

01:09:04.300 Come on.

01:09:04.880 I'm not joking.

01:09:06.180 I'm not joking.

01:09:07.580 I, I, I, I.

01:09:08.300 How's that science?

01:09:09.380 It's not science.

01:09:10.400 It's the perversion of

01:09:11.420 science.

01:09:11.920 I've written about this.

01:09:12.940 I've substacked about it.

01:09:13.980 I've tweeted about it, you

01:09:15.380 know, but I'm, I don't have

01:09:16.400 your platform, but it's the

01:09:18.480 perversion of science.

01:09:19.700 I mean, but that is the

01:09:21.400 reality of the MMWR.

01:09:23.140 And I'll give you an

01:09:24.160 example of how this plays

01:09:25.640 out in the, in the lives of

01:09:26.880 everyday Americans.

01:09:28.520 Do you remember the

01:09:29.100 beginning of the COVID-19

01:09:30.420 pandemic when the vaccines

01:09:32.560 first came out, the COVID-19

01:09:33.920 vaccines, and the CDC came

01:09:35.820 out with all this guidance

01:09:36.740 about how natural immunity

01:09:39.180 is useless.

01:09:41.700 It's worthless.

01:09:42.840 You got to get the vaccine

01:09:43.900 no matter what.

01:09:45.320 And so they, their, their

01:09:46.740 guidance to the public and,

01:09:48.240 and the states around this

01:09:49.380 country, luckily not all of

01:09:50.740 them, followed it.

01:09:52.400 And they said, okay, if

01:09:53.160 you've been vaccinated, you're

01:09:54.820 allowed to have your civil

01:09:55.600 and individual rights.

01:09:57.280 You've had COVID, you're not

01:09:59.780 allowed to have your civil

01:10:00.440 and individual rights.

01:10:01.340 How do they get to that

01:10:02.140 conclusion?

01:10:03.560 There were, at that point,

01:10:05.160 numerous peer reviewed

01:10:07.020 studies around the world

01:10:08.940 with millions of people in

01:10:10.280 them that showed natural

01:10:11.980 immunity was more

01:10:13.860 protective than vaccine

01:10:15.000 immunity.

01:10:15.800 But what did the CDC do?

01:10:17.700 They went and they did this

01:10:19.820 300 person, basically case

01:10:22.440 controlled, retrospective

01:10:24.420 nonsense of a study.

01:10:26.340 We could do a whole show

01:10:27.220 on that one study.

01:10:27.740 We could pull it up and you

01:10:28.600 and I could sit here and we

01:10:29.780 could read it and you could

01:10:30.760 spend your, all day reading

01:10:32.300 it and I promise you would

01:10:33.520 never understand the study

01:10:34.460 design because it is the most

01:10:36.280 convoluted nonsense to

01:10:38.240 achieve the result they

01:10:39.340 wanted.

01:10:40.120 But it achieved the result

01:10:41.180 they wanted.

01:10:41.880 If that study, which showed

01:10:43.880 VEX, you know, what they

01:10:45.160 wanted it to show regarding

01:10:46.460 natural immunity versus

01:10:47.520 vaccine immunity, they relied

01:10:49.120 on that one study in the MMWR.

01:10:52.400 I shouldn't even call it a

01:10:53.600 study in their newsletter to

01:10:55.840 deprive people with natural

01:10:57.200 immunity of their civil

01:10:58.480 individual rights, ignoring

01:10:59.580 all the other science.

01:11:01.020 So yes, it is the perversion

01:11:02.360 of science, but it has real

01:11:03.520 life consequences.

01:11:04.380 And I just gave you a real

01:11:05.880 life example of it on behalf

01:11:07.680 of ICANN, by the way, and

01:11:08.800 others.

01:11:09.500 I actually wrote the CDC.

01:11:11.380 My firm wrote the CDC a

01:11:12.620 letter.

01:11:13.280 We put all these studies and I

01:11:15.180 could provide these.

01:11:17.420 You could make these

01:11:18.100 available.

01:11:18.500 They're such great letters.

01:11:19.480 I wish everybody in America

01:11:20.220 read them.

01:11:20.540 We laid out all the

01:11:22.280 science, all of them showing

01:11:24.060 natural immunity is at least

01:11:26.600 as efficacious as vaccine

01:11:28.140 immunity.

01:11:28.820 Can you please give these

01:11:29.600 people their rights, civil

01:11:31.220 individual rights, freedom?

01:11:33.280 They wrote back with that one

01:11:34.760 study, that one study that I

01:11:36.900 just told you about.

01:11:37.560 We wrote back another letter

01:11:38.560 saying this study is total

01:11:40.460 garbage.

01:11:41.040 We explained why it's

01:11:41.940 garbage.

01:11:43.200 You know, as I told you, I,

01:11:45.340 you know, one of the things

01:11:46.180 that I do is I depose

01:11:46.920 vaccinologists.

01:11:47.940 It's part of what I do and

01:11:49.040 infectious disease doctors.

01:11:49.920 And immunologists.

01:11:51.120 So I got to learn epidemiology,

01:11:53.360 status, you know, statistics,

01:11:54.820 vaccinology, immunology.

01:11:56.320 I mean, you know, that's part

01:11:57.400 of what deposing experts

01:11:58.540 requires you to do.

01:11:59.700 Okay.

01:12:00.440 I don't, again, I don't have

01:12:01.220 many degrees, but I have to

01:12:02.280 learn this stuff.

01:12:03.340 And, and, and I can tell you

01:12:04.860 that that study design, it

01:12:07.140 categorically is non, it is

01:12:09.500 designed to reach the

01:12:10.580 conclusion that they want it.

01:12:11.800 And because it's a clearance

01:12:13.080 process, I described, if

01:12:14.720 something had shown a

01:12:15.800 different result, it would just

01:12:16.900 wouldn't have made it

01:12:17.400 through.

01:12:17.580 So yes, it is the

01:12:18.640 perversion of science going

01:12:20.280 all the way back to your

01:12:21.260 actual question.

01:12:21.980 Now, CDC is a policy

01:12:24.240 entity.

01:12:24.800 HHS is a policy entity.

01:12:26.400 And to your point, why

01:12:28.080 wouldn't the vaccine injury

01:12:29.520 compensation program

01:12:30.420 compensate?

01:12:31.820 Now, finally going to answer

01:12:32.700 your question.

01:12:33.160 That was a long road to get

01:12:34.080 there because it's a policy

01:12:35.900 organization.

01:12:36.440 And yeah, of course, what the

01:12:38.560 policy of that organization

01:12:39.880 is vaccines are safe and

01:12:41.600 effective.

01:12:41.940 That's a mantra.

01:12:42.660 I don't know what that means

01:12:44.640 entirely, by the way, but they

01:12:45.960 say it all day long.

01:12:48.840 And any, anything that shows

01:12:51.400 they're unsafe will get people

01:12:53.080 to not vaccinate and that goes

01:12:54.260 against their policy.

01:12:55.120 So absolutely.

01:12:56.580 This is too crazy.

01:12:58.020 How did, how did you get

01:12:58.960 involved in this area?

01:13:01.500 You graduate law school, you

01:13:02.780 went to Berkeley?

01:13:03.520 I went to Berkeley for law

01:13:04.420 school, yes.

01:13:05.520 And what did you plan on doing

01:13:07.820 when you graduated?

01:13:08.520 How did you wind up here?

01:13:09.420 Well, I, after law school, I

01:13:11.900 clerked for the chief judge of

01:13:13.200 the Supreme Court of Israel

01:13:13.900 for a year after law school.

01:13:15.200 And after that, I worked for

01:13:16.540 Latham and Watkins, which is

01:13:18.060 one of the biggest firms in

01:13:19.400 the world for six years, doing

01:13:21.880 bet the company litigation,

01:13:23.480 right?

01:13:23.660 Multi-billion dollar disputes.

01:13:25.160 And then I left there and

01:13:28.980 started my own practice.

01:13:31.540 I was, I wasn't home enough.

01:13:34.480 I wanted to see my kids more

01:13:35.620 and my wife more.

01:13:37.980 So my own practice.

01:13:39.660 And I continued to do

01:13:40.760 commercial litigation, actually.

01:13:42.380 That's what I kept doing.

01:13:45.880 And, but instead of doing

01:13:48.020 multi-billion dollar cases, we

01:13:49.220 would do, you know, a few

01:13:50.000 million dollars or a few

01:13:52.360 hundred million dollars, a few

01:13:53.640 hundred million dollar cases.

01:13:55.360 You know, there are some cases,

01:13:56.920 for example, that, for example,

01:13:59.360 Latham would have or a big firm

01:14:00.680 would have, and they're doing a

01:14:02.580 giant bankruptcy and they can't do

01:14:04.960 a litigation, right?

01:14:06.160 They can't do the litigation

01:14:07.060 because it conflicts with the

01:14:08.080 bankruptcy, but they don't want

01:14:09.040 a different big firm to do that

01:14:11.120 litigation, right?

01:14:12.720 Because they might steal a

01:14:14.080 client.

01:14:14.560 So I, I, I would get some of

01:14:16.620 those cases that would kick off

01:14:17.700 to our firm because they trusted

01:14:19.300 us to do good work.

01:14:20.380 So we would do some of those,

01:14:21.640 you know, uh, cases from half of

01:14:24.080 publicly traded and large

01:14:25.580 corporations.

01:14:26.040 So I did that for a few years.

01:14:27.940 And then, um, um, uh, uh, in terms

01:14:33.440 of legally how I got involved, um,

01:14:35.940 there was, uh, a law in California

01:14:38.120 passed.

01:14:38.660 The bill number was called SP 277 in

01:14:40.440 2014.

01:14:41.580 And what it did was eliminate

01:14:43.740 non-medical exemptions for children

01:14:45.580 to attend school.

01:14:46.600 Okay.

01:14:47.400 So all these kids, tens of thousands

01:14:49.480 of children were thrown out of school

01:14:51.340 in California because their parents

01:14:53.180 made the medical decision.

01:14:55.500 And like I said before, these are

01:14:57.800 often the folks who I find are most

01:14:59.340 informed about these products,

01:15:00.920 sometimes more informed than many

01:15:03.200 of the pediatricians I depose about

01:15:05.120 these products.

01:15:07.580 And, um, I was in New York at the

01:15:10.060 time and they, who pushed that,

01:15:12.100 that proposition?

01:15:13.700 Uh, Senator Richard Pan, who's no

01:15:15.520 longer there and, and a Senator,

01:15:17.640 excuse me, uh, and, and, and a

01:15:19.180 Senator, uh, uh, uh, uh, Richard Pan

01:15:22.840 and, and Ben Allen were the two, uh,

01:15:25.340 members of the California legislature

01:15:27.160 who drove that bill through.

01:15:29.400 I mean, if you look back and see-

01:15:31.420 Did Pharma back it?

01:15:33.820 Hard to know.

01:15:35.260 I mean, I, you know, it's, uh, um,

01:15:38.960 it, but it happened.

01:15:40.700 And, um, and so they, they started,

01:15:44.420 some schools in New York started

01:15:46.340 kicking kids out of school, just

01:15:48.260 kind of even in, in New York,

01:15:50.320 actually, even though they didn't

01:15:51.760 need to, I was in New York at the

01:15:53.500 time.

01:15:53.740 So I brought some suits, um, to help

01:15:56.760 those kids get back to school so

01:15:58.420 they can get back in.

01:15:59.200 I got injunctions and got them back

01:16:01.060 into, it was typically private

01:16:02.760 schools that were starting, you

01:16:03.660 decided where they don't want to

01:16:04.780 have any of the kids who had

01:16:05.840 religious exemptions, New York

01:16:07.880 state allowed religious exemptions

01:16:09.140 at the time.

01:16:10.640 And then, um, and then, uh, um,

01:16:13.340 and here's the faithful moment.

01:16:15.580 The, uh, uh, uh, the city of

01:16:18.260 New York required a flu shot for

01:16:19.580 preschoolers.

01:16:20.920 And so my wife was also an

01:16:22.400 attorney and partner at our firm,

01:16:24.320 uh, you know, said, Hey, you know,

01:16:26.660 that's, can we challenge that?

01:16:29.260 And I, I looked at it and I said,

01:16:31.600 uh, you know, and after looking at

01:16:34.280 it saying, yeah, we could, because

01:16:35.420 it was not passable legislature,

01:16:36.720 it was passable department of

01:16:37.400 health.

01:16:37.620 They don't have the authority to do

01:16:38.360 it.

01:16:38.540 So we can just challenge it on

01:16:39.480 separation of power grounds.

01:16:40.720 Yeah.

01:16:41.160 And she's like, okay, great, do it.

01:16:43.040 And I said, whoa, wait a second.

01:16:45.580 I said, I mean, we have clients

01:16:47.680 who are public traded companies.

01:16:48.660 I said, if I prevail, if we prevail

01:16:50.560 and we strike this down, I mean,

01:16:51.920 you understand this will make

01:16:53.000 headlines.

01:16:53.820 I do not think our, you know,

01:16:55.160 clients would, would like that.

01:16:56.580 And she's, you know, I won't use

01:16:59.080 the word she used because I don't

01:17:00.400 know if it's appropriate for the

01:17:01.560 show, but she basically said,

01:17:03.460 bring the suit.

01:17:05.360 And that was the end of the

01:17:06.420 discussion.

01:17:06.820 And I did.

01:17:07.220 Good for her.

01:17:08.140 Absolutely.

01:17:08.700 My wife's incredible.

01:17:09.880 Um, she is the, the North star, um,

01:17:13.740 to, you know, what is right and

01:17:15.320 good.

01:17:16.140 You have to have that if you're

01:17:17.160 going to do a job like yours.

01:17:18.280 Yeah.

01:17:18.560 She's, she's, you know, she is not,

01:17:20.540 she does not, uh, compromise on

01:17:22.640 what's right for anything.

01:17:24.540 Um, and so I did, uh, I, I, I, I

01:17:28.420 got it.

01:17:28.960 I did win in the trial court level.

01:17:31.960 I got the injunction and made

01:17:33.020 national news and as expected there,

01:17:36.380 you know, uh, and so, you know,

01:17:38.620 it's expected what, as expected

01:17:40.460 the, you know, um, our commercial

01:17:43.420 lit practice contracted.

01:17:45.640 Really?

01:17:46.420 Absolutely.

01:17:47.080 People didn't want your services as

01:17:48.580 a lawyer because you had challenged

01:17:50.120 a flu vaccine mandate.

01:17:51.300 I don't, it just doesn't accord.

01:17:53.040 I think with what a big fortune

01:17:55.700 500 companies would, um, I don't

01:18:00.240 think it fits well into their

01:18:01.440 portfolio of lawyers that they would

01:18:03.080 use for what they do.

01:18:04.420 You're very diplomatic because

01:18:06.680 that's grotesque.

01:18:07.760 I, I, I'm not accusing all of

01:18:10.620 them.

01:18:10.860 I'm just, I mean, lawyers at big

01:18:12.560 firms defend pro bono, you know,

01:18:14.640 death row inmates who have, you

01:18:16.700 know, murdered people, raped

01:18:17.840 children.

01:18:18.280 I mean that, and that's fine.

01:18:19.680 You know what I mean?

01:18:20.620 But you can't defend the rights of

01:18:23.540 parents to educate their children.

01:18:25.360 Like it's crazy.

01:18:26.760 There is a very strong ideology

01:18:29.460 around these products.

01:18:30.740 And again, I stress their products.

01:18:32.280 And so we started doing more of

01:18:34.440 that work and there's, there's a

01:18:35.480 lot more to that story, but I don't

01:18:36.560 know if it's, I don't know what it's,

01:18:38.120 you know, it could go on forever.

01:18:39.540 How did your views, so you didn't

01:18:41.720 expect this, your life to take this

01:18:44.420 turn, it sounds like.

01:18:46.100 I will tell you that.

01:18:47.100 Oh no.

01:18:49.100 If you asked me 10 years ago, I'd be

01:18:50.720 doing this, that, uh, the New York

01:18:52.360 Times run a headline that I want to,

01:18:53.740 you know, basically take away the

01:18:55.420 polio vaccine and give everybody

01:18:57.360 polio again.

01:18:58.120 And, you know, and, and senators would

01:18:59.980 say, fire that lawyer, Mr. Kennedy.

01:19:02.240 No, I, I would not expect to be in

01:19:04.420 the spot, uh, and nor did I expect to

01:19:06.600 ever do vaccine work.

01:19:07.780 Um, um, but, um.

01:19:09.580 Did you have views on this subject?

01:19:11.500 I, I, I, when I was in law school?

01:19:13.280 No.

01:19:13.620 Yeah.

01:19:13.920 I don't, no, I wouldn't know the first

01:19:15.900 thing about a vaccine.

01:19:17.020 And the, I will tell you the very first

01:19:18.680 time I ever looked at this topic and,

01:19:20.660 you know, a long time ago, um, you

01:19:22.800 know, I was sent some material.

01:19:24.560 I was actually still late to

01:19:26.260 Milwaukee's at the time.

01:19:28.040 Um, and like I said, I, and, and, um,

01:19:31.060 a lot of it was medical and I didn't

01:19:33.560 know anything about immunology or

01:19:35.180 vaccinology or in fact, I didn't know

01:19:36.620 any of this medical stuff, no idea what

01:19:38.620 I was reading.

01:19:39.880 But then I read about the National

01:19:42.020 Childhood Injury Act of 1986.

01:19:43.880 And I was like, I remember, I just like

01:19:47.040 was like, what?

01:19:48.500 Cause I don't understand medicine.

01:19:50.260 I didn't understand that stuff, but, oh,

01:19:52.580 I understood corporate conduct.

01:19:54.560 And I understood fiduciary duties.

01:19:56.500 I understood conflicts of interest.

01:19:58.160 I understood what drove corporations.

01:20:00.000 I represented them in really important

01:20:02.440 critical, I understood those things

01:20:05.400 very well.

01:20:06.900 And I was, I remember, I remember it

01:20:10.440 was like late at night in my office

01:20:12.420 when I read this, I remember being up

01:20:14.520 there in the lipstick building and, um,

01:20:17.180 in Manhattan and I was dumbfounded when

01:20:20.980 I saw that law.

01:20:21.900 I couldn't believe it.

01:20:22.960 I mean, I just didn't understand it.

01:20:25.140 Cause I remember thinking like, this is

01:20:26.660 the product they tell you is perfectly

01:20:28.520 safe and it's given to babies and you

01:20:32.780 can't see the manufacturers for injury.

01:20:35.340 I found that to be immediately troubling.

01:20:38.060 And so you didn't know that.

01:20:39.740 No, I did not know that until I read it.

01:20:41.620 I didn't know that until I read it.

01:20:43.120 I think a lot of people don't know that.

01:20:44.840 I can tell you they don't know that because

01:20:47.240 obviously, cause the work I do, I meet

01:20:49.080 people all the time in this area and

01:20:51.140 they don't know that.

01:20:51.920 And, you know, sadly they, they, they

01:20:53.760 don't know it till they do know it.

01:20:54.820 And often they know it after they have

01:20:56.420 some kind of personal experience.

01:20:58.660 Um, you know, most of the folks around

01:21:00.120 the country who do know it are the

01:21:01.780 folks who've been negatively impacted

01:21:03.100 by these products in one way or another.

01:21:04.520 They know it.

01:21:05.300 They know about the law.

01:21:06.220 They know about the science.

01:21:07.400 They know about these things.

01:21:08.220 Cause when your kid's impacted or

01:21:10.200 you're impacted by a product, you research

01:21:12.200 it.

01:21:12.860 Yeah.

01:21:12.960 You know about it.

01:21:13.960 And until you don't, you don't.

01:21:15.440 And I'll say one other thing about that

01:21:17.560 just cause I know a lot of people always

01:21:19.100 say to me like, well, there were

01:21:20.960 vaccines caused a lot of injury or they

01:21:22.960 cause injury.

01:21:23.400 I would know it.

01:21:24.220 And I always say to them, do you know

01:21:26.560 which drugs cause which injuries?

01:21:28.860 Of course you don't.

01:21:30.100 Even though they come off the market all

01:21:31.700 the time, vaccines won't because you

01:21:33.820 can't sue the manufacturers, but drugs

01:21:35.600 do.

01:21:36.400 And do you know which drugs are coming

01:21:37.680 off the market?

01:21:38.340 Do you know what injuries are causing?

01:21:39.940 No.

01:21:40.400 Why would you know?

01:21:41.680 That's right.

01:21:42.100 Why would you know?

01:21:42.760 Why would you know that vaccines cause

01:21:44.500 injury?

01:21:45.420 Why do people, it's always funny to me

01:21:47.260 people assume that.

01:21:48.160 I would know.

01:21:49.480 You wouldn't know.

01:21:50.180 You know who would know?

01:21:51.060 I'll tell you who would know.

01:21:52.260 It's the firms that accumulate cases

01:21:54.180 for people who are injured.

01:21:55.800 You know who knows that a particular

01:21:57.440 drug is going to, is, is, is causing

01:21:59.760 harm first?

01:22:01.420 It is the plaintiff's lawyers.

01:22:03.760 You know, and there are a lot of

01:22:05.400 things you can say about plaintiff's

01:22:06.300 lawyers.

01:22:07.660 But the one thing that is that they're,

01:22:09.740 they know because they're getting

01:22:10.840 phone calls.

01:22:11.520 Hey, I took this drug.

01:22:12.600 Exactly.

01:22:12.980 And they get another call and they get

01:22:14.480 another and they're like, oh, a pattern

01:22:16.080 emergence.

01:22:16.620 They're the ones who typically know it.

01:22:17.880 And they start accumulating the cases.

01:22:20.340 Just like, you know, we've got, I mean,

01:22:24.200 for, for, for vaccines, we have, you know,

01:22:27.480 that's what we get called for.

01:22:29.760 We have endless cases in the, for COVID

01:22:32.920 vaccines.

01:22:34.280 I mean, it is, we basically had to, our,

01:22:36.980 our entire phone system for, is basically

01:22:40.820 if you're injured by a COVID vaccine,

01:22:42.020 press one and you get instructions to go

01:22:43.680 to our website and just fill a form.

01:22:45.000 Cause there's pretty much nothing we can do

01:22:46.360 for you.

01:22:46.740 Because not only do they have immunity

01:22:49.100 essentially under the 1986 act,

01:22:52.560 they, they have for COVID vaccines,

01:22:54.480 a completely another level of immunity

01:22:56.200 called PrEP act immunity.

01:22:57.840 You can't see those manufacturers for,

01:22:59.980 you can't even go to the VAICP,

01:23:01.860 Vaccine Injury Compensation Program,

01:23:03.820 for COVID vaccine injuries.

01:23:05.340 Seriously?

01:23:06.100 Yes.

01:23:06.380 You can't even go to that program.

01:23:08.340 Even as, as limiting as that program is,

01:23:11.460 you have to go to something called the CICP,

01:23:14.340 the Counter Injuries Compensation Program,

01:23:17.120 which we have two federal lawsuits right now

01:23:19.600 we're suing to strike those programs down

01:23:22.280 as unconstitutional because it's the most

01:23:25.060 ridiculous system you've ever,

01:23:26.560 court program you've ever heard of.

01:23:29.560 Who are you filing a claim with?

01:23:30.800 You don't really know.

01:23:31.460 Who's reviewing it?

01:23:32.180 You don't know.

01:23:32.640 Who's their experts?

01:23:33.300 You don't know.

01:23:33.740 What's their basing on?

01:23:34.500 You don't know.

01:23:35.500 It's a complete black hole.

01:23:37.180 There's no due process.

01:23:38.400 There's no hearing.

01:23:39.300 You can't confront the people

01:23:40.380 they're going to use to evaluate it.

01:23:42.500 You don't know who the trier of fact is.

01:23:44.320 You don't know who the trier of laws are.

01:23:45.900 You don't know anything.

01:23:46.880 All you do is you submit a piece of paper

01:23:48.760 and then you get, you know,

01:23:50.820 at some day when, you don't know,

01:23:52.400 you only have one year to file,

01:23:53.900 some response and the whole program

01:23:55.600 only has about $7 million.

01:23:58.160 And most of it goes to pay the staff.

01:24:00.420 So we can't compensate anybody.

01:24:01.600 It's a ridiculous program.

01:24:03.780 When I sue-

01:24:04.340 It's a product of the PREP Act?

01:24:05.520 It's a product of the PREP Act.

01:24:06.780 And so I sued to render the program unconstitutional

01:24:10.300 on procedural due process.

01:24:13.020 I said, if this program,

01:24:15.660 like the government doesn't have to afford you a remedy,

01:24:18.940 but if I say to you,

01:24:19.980 hey, they can have zoning laws,

01:24:21.060 but I say, but you can have a variance in your house.

01:24:23.040 Yeah.

01:24:23.280 Well, they got to give you process for that.

01:24:25.040 They can't make it unfair.

01:24:26.160 It can't be I give you a variance

01:24:27.100 and I don't give that guy a variance.

01:24:27.940 Right, exactly.

01:24:28.420 It's got to be fair.

01:24:29.140 So if there's going to be a process,

01:24:30.780 it has to conform with due process.

01:24:32.540 This thing is the most procedurally defunct program ever.

01:24:35.460 I got a call from a reporter.

01:24:36.760 I forgot which paper, national paper,

01:24:39.100 after I filed a lawsuit.

01:24:39.940 And they said, what do you, you know,

01:24:41.660 why are you following the suit?

01:24:42.600 I said, here, let me,

01:24:43.320 let me explain it to you in layman terms.

01:24:45.800 If you're injured by a COVID vaccine,

01:24:48.280 fill out a piece of paper.

01:24:49.920 Okay.

01:24:50.560 Doesn't matter what you write on it.

01:24:51.620 Use crayons.

01:24:52.680 Go to your backyard.

01:24:53.780 Take a hole.

01:24:55.580 Bury the paper in the hole.

01:24:56.800 Cover it up with dirt.

01:24:57.480 Now I want you to water it.

01:24:58.660 Make sure it gets a lot of sun

01:24:59.680 and just wait for it to grow compensation.

01:25:01.900 I said, that.

01:25:04.140 I literally told that to a reporter.

01:25:06.160 I don't think she kept talking to me.

01:25:08.200 But that, but that is,

01:25:09.680 that is what I would describe the program as.

01:25:11.860 They don't.

01:25:12.100 What has this done to your personal life?

01:25:14.460 I mean, did you, like people, you know,

01:25:16.320 your family, your friends,

01:25:17.360 your law school classmates,

01:25:19.720 what did, what did people think of what you're doing?

01:25:23.940 Well, it matters how much you know about this

01:25:25.820 and it matters how much you understand

01:25:27.260 what I'm actually doing.

01:25:28.300 Are you looking at what the New York Times

01:25:29.740 is saying I'm doing?

01:25:30.960 Or are you looking at what I'm actually doing?

01:25:32.940 Of course.

01:25:33.280 And of course, again, to be clear,

01:25:37.060 I'm an attorney.

01:25:38.340 I just ask questions in many ways,

01:25:40.120 kind of like you.

01:25:40.860 I ask questions.

01:25:42.140 I bring suits.

01:25:43.460 I'm looking for answers.

01:25:44.680 I'm looking for truth.

01:25:46.180 I don't, I don't really have any emotional attachment

01:25:48.820 to these products like some people do.

01:25:50.280 And I don't have a need for a priori assumptions.

01:25:53.900 You know, the data, the science, the studies,

01:25:57.000 they are what they are.

01:25:58.560 You know, so it really just depends who.

01:26:01.140 I think some people.

01:26:02.080 The attitude you just described,

01:26:03.380 which I think is rational and science-based

01:26:05.740 and admirable, by the way,

01:26:07.540 is not shared by a lot of people.

01:26:09.060 So you said that there was a cost to your business.

01:26:12.180 Yes.

01:26:12.860 When you started representing these clients,

01:26:15.680 was there a cost to your friendships?

01:26:17.460 I guess that's what I'm asking.

01:26:20.240 I would say that,

01:26:21.740 was there a cost to my friendships?

01:26:23.920 Well, not friends that you'd want to keep, I guess.

01:26:27.140 Yeah.

01:26:27.460 Absolutely.

01:26:28.400 So yes, I would say it absolutely has come with,

01:26:30.840 I guess you would say a cost and communally,

01:26:34.200 certainly back in New York.

01:26:37.960 And, but it also comes with amazing rewards

01:26:41.200 because, you know,

01:26:44.260 you're, there's a community of people

01:26:46.640 who really need help

01:26:47.620 and they really need support.

01:26:49.720 I'll tell you one more story

01:26:50.780 that I think drives us home.

01:26:55.380 So New York City,

01:26:57.840 there were cases of measles in New York City.

01:27:00.160 Remember that back in 2000,

01:27:02.380 number of years ago.

01:27:03.360 Yeah.

01:27:03.540 Okay.

01:27:04.560 In which nobody died.

01:27:06.540 Yep.

01:27:06.880 I think Bobby got blamed for that.

01:27:09.100 In which everyone died.

01:27:10.580 No, nobody died.

01:27:11.840 And nobody got,

01:27:13.880 I'm not aware of any actual person

01:27:15.560 who got really any real issues.

01:27:17.800 And so,

01:27:18.920 and there were thousands and thousands

01:27:21.000 and thousands of cases.

01:27:21.920 You know how I know?

01:27:23.740 Because as the New York State City Department of Health said,

01:27:27.900 please stop having measles parties.

01:27:29.980 Why?

01:27:30.500 Because the only way you could get your kid back into school

01:27:32.780 was if you got the vaccine

01:27:35.280 or you had measles.

01:27:36.460 So there were these giant measles parties

01:27:38.600 occurring in Brooklyn

01:27:39.400 so that people could get their kids back into school.

01:27:42.300 So they could then get blood work to show titers

01:27:44.680 to show they had immunity.

01:27:47.940 In any event,

01:27:49.400 the city of New York decided

01:27:51.320 the way they were going to deal with that

01:27:52.660 was to make it literally illegal

01:27:56.620 to exist in certain zip codes in Brooklyn

01:27:59.860 if you didn't get an MMR vaccine.

01:28:02.700 It was illegal.

01:28:04.260 If you did not get the shot,

01:28:06.680 you were violating the law.

01:28:08.600 Now,

01:28:09.700 let me explain to you

01:28:10.400 why some people oppose the MMR vaccine.

01:28:12.520 In every single dose

01:28:13.740 of an MMR shot,

01:28:15.560 there are literally,

01:28:16.920 literally,

01:28:17.820 millions of pieces

01:28:18.820 from the cultured cell line

01:28:20.600 and aborted fetus

01:28:21.420 in every single injection.

01:28:25.940 Now, again,

01:28:26.720 that might sound crazy,

01:28:28.200 but I could literally pull up right now

01:28:30.400 the CDC's own ingredient list

01:28:32.240 for the MMR vaccine.

01:28:33.540 Anybody can do this at home.

01:28:34.780 Just Google

01:28:35.360 MMR,

01:28:37.000 excuse me,

01:28:37.820 vaccine excipient list,

01:28:39.580 CDC,

01:28:40.160 and you can pull it up

01:28:40.840 and you can see.

01:28:41.920 It has MRC5,

01:28:43.720 WI38.

01:28:44.980 Those are cultured cell lines

01:28:46.320 from aborted fetus

01:28:47.200 because you have to grow viruses

01:28:50.300 in a cell.

01:28:51.080 Viruses won't just grow.

01:28:52.680 They have to grow in cells.

01:28:54.080 That's how they replicate.

01:28:54.880 They take over the machinery of a cell.

01:28:56.480 So you have to grow it

01:28:57.220 on a cellular substrate.

01:28:58.300 So how do they grow

01:28:59.680 the rubella virus?

01:29:01.440 They grow it on

01:29:02.320 these cultured cell lines

01:29:03.800 from aborted fetus.

01:29:04.780 Where do they get aborted fetuses?

01:29:07.420 From babies that are aborted.

01:29:09.440 From abortion clinics.

01:29:10.400 Well,

01:29:11.340 well,

01:29:11.720 it has to be,

01:29:16.260 you can't use,

01:29:18.780 so the cells need to be alive.

01:29:22.060 Okay?

01:29:23.080 So you understand

01:29:23.840 like the aborted fetal tissues

01:29:25.340 has to remain alive

01:29:27.140 to be used.

01:29:28.720 And so,

01:29:29.420 you know,

01:29:29.700 I depose,

01:29:30.500 for example,

01:29:31.180 the world's leading vaccinologist,

01:29:35.780 Dr. Stanley Plotkin.

01:29:36.720 And that deposition

01:29:37.720 is actually available

01:29:38.480 on iCanTheHighWire.com.

01:29:41.460 The whole deposition,

01:29:42.220 nine hours,

01:29:42.660 is available there.

01:29:43.860 Parts of it

01:29:44.280 are available on X.

01:29:46.260 And I watched part of it

01:29:48.500 in preparation

01:29:49.180 for this interview

01:29:49.940 and was,

01:29:51.760 you know,

01:29:52.360 so shocked

01:29:53.780 and revolted by it.

01:29:55.520 I was already

01:29:56.340 on your side,

01:29:57.540 obviously,

01:29:58.740 as a parent

01:29:59.700 of a child

01:30:00.100 who was vaccine injured.

01:30:01.940 So I'm in tune

01:30:03.340 with everything

01:30:03.640 you're saying.

01:30:04.020 But that deposition

01:30:05.140 with Dr. Stanley Plotkin

01:30:06.700 who's still alive,

01:30:07.580 93 I checked,

01:30:08.980 was one of the most shocking

01:30:09.860 things I've ever seen

01:30:10.620 in my life.

01:30:11.120 You watched the whole thing?

01:30:11.980 No.

01:30:12.500 I watched selections of it.

01:30:14.280 Okay, yeah.

01:30:15.540 And so then you know

01:30:16.340 about what the clip

01:30:17.120 I'm about to talk about,

01:30:17.980 which is relating

01:30:19.060 to just one study

01:30:20.380 that was done

01:30:20.900 that involved

01:30:21.300 over 70 normally

01:30:22.680 normal healthy fetuses,

01:30:25.340 right,

01:30:25.560 that would have,

01:30:26.660 there was nothing wrong

01:30:27.540 in abnormalities

01:30:28.360 that were aborted

01:30:29.560 for the purposes

01:30:30.220 of this one study.

01:30:31.480 Past the first trimester.

01:30:33.280 They're all older

01:30:34.160 than three months,

01:30:34.760 he said.

01:30:35.180 That's right.

01:30:36.100 That's right.

01:30:36.460 And some of them,

01:30:37.300 absolutely.

01:30:37.800 And what they do

01:30:38.320 is they take those

01:30:40.000 in that one study,

01:30:40.840 those 70-something babies

01:30:41.860 and then they chop them

01:30:44.180 up into little cubes,

01:30:45.220 each body part.

01:30:46.280 So they take the tongue,

01:30:47.020 the lung,

01:30:47.420 the liver,

01:30:47.960 every body part

01:30:49.220 and they chop them up

01:30:50.960 into little cubes

01:30:52.420 and then they try

01:30:53.440 to culture viruses

01:30:54.400 on them

01:30:54.700 because they want

01:30:55.180 to see which part

01:30:56.300 of the body

01:30:57.040 is the best suited

01:30:59.220 for growing

01:31:00.660 the virus used

01:31:01.720 in the vaccine.

01:31:02.480 and so this is,

01:31:03.620 you know,

01:31:03.980 in any event.

01:31:05.700 And there's a lot,

01:31:06.800 anybody who wants

01:31:07.620 can research about this.

01:31:08.900 So this is answering

01:31:09.700 the question,

01:31:10.320 why is this a religion

01:31:11.080 for some people?

01:31:12.120 There is a,

01:31:13.360 I mean,

01:31:13.640 there's some heavy

01:31:14.340 stuff going on.

01:31:15.200 You mean for folks

01:31:15.760 who don't want

01:31:16.300 to receive the vaccine?

01:31:17.280 No, no, no.

01:31:17.980 For people who support them.

01:31:19.800 Well, you have to...

01:31:20.640 There's a human sacrifice

01:31:20.960 quality here, sorry.

01:31:22.180 That was my takeaway

01:31:23.180 from that interview

01:31:23.800 and I think you actually

01:31:24.560 asked him,

01:31:25.040 are you an atheist?

01:31:25.400 Yes, yes, I am.

01:31:26.540 Yes.

01:31:27.060 Well, the case was

01:31:28.220 about a religious belief

01:31:29.200 that our client had,

01:31:30.280 you know,

01:31:30.760 contrary to the practice

01:31:31.900 of vaccination.

01:31:32.860 They didn't want

01:31:33.200 to vaccinate her kid

01:31:33.980 and he decided

01:31:35.280 to volunteer

01:31:35.920 for reasons

01:31:36.720 I'll never understand

01:31:37.680 to be an expert

01:31:38.480 and he came

01:31:39.720 to the deposition.

01:31:40.820 He didn't come to trial.

01:31:42.920 He did not show up

01:31:44.060 for trial.

01:31:45.020 We even sent him

01:31:45.920 a subpoena

01:31:46.340 due to take him

01:31:47.000 after the deposition.

01:31:48.440 If you ever see

01:31:49.220 the deposition,

01:31:49.840 he says,

01:31:50.180 oh, well,

01:31:50.580 there is this

01:31:51.580 or there's that

01:31:52.100 and so I sent him

01:31:53.000 a document request

01:31:54.460 saying, hey,

01:31:55.480 you said there's

01:31:56.100 this and that.

01:31:57.020 Give it to us

01:31:57.960 and then he brought

01:31:59.000 a collateral lawsuit

01:32:00.320 to quash that subpoena,

01:32:01.760 believe it or not,

01:32:02.700 because he did not

01:32:03.480 want to give it

01:32:04.020 because he doesn't,

01:32:04.780 they don't have it.

01:32:05.680 It doesn't exist.

01:32:06.260 Just like this polio petition.

01:32:08.460 You know,

01:32:08.660 it's not,

01:32:09.400 I don't ask for things,

01:32:11.180 you know,

01:32:11.660 you know,

01:32:13.440 we do,

01:32:14.740 I try to do my homework

01:32:15.440 beforehand in any event.

01:32:17.860 There's a,

01:32:18.120 So, but this,

01:32:19.280 vaccines are grown

01:32:21.860 with the cells

01:32:23.560 of aborted baby tongues.

01:32:25.600 Well, no, no,

01:32:26.560 no, no, no.

01:32:27.020 Well, let me be clear

01:32:27.680 about that.

01:32:29.060 In that study,

01:32:30.320 they were trying

01:32:31.180 to figure out

01:32:32.300 which body part

01:32:33.740 was best to use.

01:32:35.540 So, the one

01:32:36.500 that they ended up

01:32:37.380 with was actually

01:32:38.740 from the lung

01:32:39.740 of the aborted baby,

01:32:41.960 suborted fetus.

01:32:42.800 So, it's lung fibroblasts

01:32:45.460 are the,

01:32:46.720 where the cells,

01:32:47.720 they ended,

01:32:48.080 the substrate

01:32:48.580 that ended up working.

01:32:49.520 So, they tried

01:32:50.140 with tongue.

01:32:51.500 It didn't work

01:32:52.400 as well.

01:32:53.760 And there's a number

01:32:54.740 of qualities

01:32:55.520 that are looking for

01:32:56.400 how well does

01:32:57.300 the virus replicate?

01:32:58.740 Are there other

01:32:59.220 potential,

01:33:00.100 you know,

01:33:00.800 viruses,

01:33:01.480 you know,

01:33:01.880 and so forth

01:33:02.420 and so forth

01:33:03.620 and so forth.

01:33:04.100 Well, what's the best

01:33:04.780 median to do it in?

01:33:05.880 And so,

01:33:06.840 there's...

01:33:07.680 But you said

01:33:08.140 that the cells

01:33:09.080 have to be alive.

01:33:09.960 So, where do

01:33:10.420 the bodies come from?

01:33:11.240 Do we know?

01:33:13.220 I mean,

01:33:13.860 when they,

01:33:14.580 when the baby

01:33:15.240 is aborted

01:33:16.560 for the purposes

01:33:17.340 and they're typically

01:33:17.980 aborted for

01:33:18.680 the scientific purpose,

01:33:19.860 I mean,

01:33:20.180 they have to know

01:33:21.720 beforehand

01:33:22.140 for the most part

01:33:22.860 because if the baby,

01:33:24.260 if they abort

01:33:25.140 the baby

01:33:26.160 and they don't

01:33:28.580 immediately act

01:33:29.740 to make sure

01:33:31.240 that the tissues

01:33:32.640 don't die,

01:33:33.360 then you can't

01:33:34.640 use them

01:33:35.400 in these experiments.

01:33:36.360 So,

01:33:38.480 and this is...

01:33:41.140 I'm as bad

01:33:42.200 as uncomfortable

01:33:42.740 as I've ever been

01:33:43.560 in an interview

01:33:44.060 right now.

01:33:44.520 This is like

01:33:45.100 really beyond,

01:33:47.000 beyond

01:33:47.580 that this happens.

01:33:49.500 Well,

01:33:50.060 I mean,

01:33:50.440 it's,

01:33:50.660 there's a whole

01:33:51.080 industry around.

01:33:52.540 It's not,

01:33:53.420 you know,

01:33:53.680 not something

01:33:54.180 I litigate about,

01:33:55.320 but there,

01:33:56.460 as you know,

01:33:56.980 there is a whole

01:33:57.480 industry around

01:33:58.280 with regards

01:33:59.900 to abortions.

01:34:02.100 You know,

01:34:02.540 you've heard

01:34:02.900 of humanized mice,

01:34:03.940 for example.

01:34:05.460 Right?

01:34:05.700 So,

01:34:06.240 so for example,

01:34:07.720 in the Pfizer

01:34:09.260 and Moderna

01:34:10.540 COVID-19 vaccine

01:34:11.700 trials,

01:34:12.480 for example,

01:34:12.920 right?

01:34:13.120 COVID-19 vaccine

01:34:13.900 development process,

01:34:15.080 those products

01:34:15.760 have no border

01:34:16.480 fetal tissue

01:34:16.980 in them.

01:34:17.900 Okay?

01:34:18.720 Killed vaccines

01:34:19.460 typically don't.

01:34:20.260 You don't need

01:34:20.580 to grow them

01:34:21.300 in the same way.

01:34:22.140 Well,

01:34:22.680 it's not always true.

01:34:23.820 Any event.

01:34:25.720 But,

01:34:26.340 in the process

01:34:27.960 of development,

01:34:29.080 a lot of times

01:34:30.000 they use

01:34:30.360 humanized mice

01:34:31.500 in order

01:34:32.840 to experiment

01:34:34.560 with the vaccine.

01:34:36.880 And so,

01:34:37.220 and this is not

01:34:37.660 just vaccines,

01:34:38.300 by the way,

01:34:38.480 this is across

01:34:39.240 science.

01:34:41.040 So,

01:34:41.520 they basically

01:34:42.240 take,

01:34:42.740 and sometimes

01:34:43.140 from aborted babies,

01:34:44.120 sometimes from other,

01:34:45.620 in other ways,

01:34:46.620 it doesn't have to

01:34:47.380 necessarily be

01:34:47.920 an aborted baby

01:34:48.600 to,

01:34:50.060 and they inject

01:34:50.760 the mice

01:34:51.260 with these

01:34:51.980 human cells

01:34:53.760 to,

01:34:54.760 quote unquote,

01:34:55.240 humanize them

01:34:56.120 to then use them

01:34:57.040 for experiments.

01:34:58.040 You should have

01:34:58.460 somebody on

01:34:58.840 to talk about this.

01:34:59.700 I'm not your person

01:35:00.360 for this.

01:35:01.180 I just,

01:35:01.700 I just,

01:35:02.540 I only know

01:35:03.380 about this

01:35:04.080 enough to depose

01:35:05.600 around religious belief

01:35:06.920 around these products

01:35:07.720 because there's

01:35:08.840 a whole industry

01:35:09.940 on this.

01:35:10.560 I don't know

01:35:10.880 if I want to know

01:35:12.120 more.

01:35:13.200 I mean,

01:35:13.440 you do,

01:35:13.880 as you hear this,

01:35:14.640 you think,

01:35:15.100 you know,

01:35:15.340 this can't continue.

01:35:16.660 This is too,

01:35:17.300 this is tampering

01:35:17.860 with the secret sauce

01:35:19.760 of nature.

01:35:20.820 So,

01:35:21.220 you know,

01:35:22.720 this will not end

01:35:23.720 well at all.

01:35:26.000 So,

01:35:26.520 yeah,

01:35:27.120 well,

01:35:27.400 yes,

01:35:30.280 I mean,

01:35:30.620 it's,

01:35:31.160 what's unfortunate

01:35:32.280 about it is that,

01:35:33.940 and the reason

01:35:36.280 I know about

01:35:37.000 any of these things

01:35:38.040 is because

01:35:38.500 in these depositions

01:35:39.500 with regards,

01:35:40.900 in these depositions

01:35:41.640 with regards

01:35:41.980 to religious beliefs,

01:35:43.800 the issue

01:35:44.260 of aborted,

01:35:45.420 aborted fetal tissues

01:35:46.060 come up.

01:35:47.100 And so,

01:35:47.680 a lot of times

01:35:48.540 they like to say,

01:35:49.600 oh,

01:35:49.860 well,

01:35:50.520 it only involved

01:35:51.160 a few babies

01:35:52.080 way back when.

01:35:53.580 And so,

01:35:54.100 I have a whole series

01:35:55.280 of,

01:35:55.800 in these depositions,

01:35:56.680 of showing,

01:35:58.040 no,

01:35:58.320 it's not just

01:35:59.180 a few babies

01:35:59.840 way back when.

01:36:00.440 It was a lot

01:36:01.540 of babies,

01:36:03.000 and it's,

01:36:03.280 and it's still ongoing,

01:36:04.500 and this industry

01:36:05.360 has only grown.

01:36:06.940 And with that said,

01:36:08.720 I was,

01:36:10.160 I was saying

01:36:10.640 that these parents

01:36:11.420 in Brooklyn,

01:36:12.780 unless you want

01:36:13.880 to stick on this topic,

01:36:14.660 sounds like you don't.

01:36:15.280 No,

01:36:15.440 I mean,

01:36:15.760 you've just

01:36:16.960 shocked me.

01:36:17.780 I know,

01:36:18.100 I mean,

01:36:18.480 yeah.

01:36:19.640 So,

01:36:20.140 you know,

01:36:20.460 going back

01:36:20.840 to these families

01:36:21.760 in Brooklyn,

01:36:22.980 many of them,

01:36:24.140 you know,

01:36:24.420 religious,

01:36:25.160 and not,

01:36:26.600 in different religions,

01:36:27.840 not all of them

01:36:29.000 were,

01:36:30.040 many of them

01:36:30.640 were ultra-religious Jews,

01:36:32.440 but some of them

01:36:32.900 were other religions,

01:36:34.060 actually,

01:36:34.620 who have beliefs

01:36:36.800 where they do not

01:36:38.520 want to participate

01:36:39.100 with that product

01:36:40.080 for the reasons

01:36:41.500 we just discussed.

01:36:42.780 Okay?

01:36:43.660 And so,

01:36:44.320 they will not take

01:36:44.940 the MMR vaccine.

01:36:45.940 They won't give it

01:36:46.400 to their kids.

01:36:46.820 They won't take it.

01:36:48.360 And so,

01:36:49.040 here is the city

01:36:49.940 of New York

01:36:50.660 saying,

01:36:51.620 no,

01:36:52.540 you must,

01:36:54.120 you must take it.

01:36:55.720 I mean,

01:36:56.000 if you didn't,

01:36:57.280 and what they did

01:36:57.920 is they went

01:36:58.360 into, like,

01:36:58.920 the registry,

01:37:00.320 and if you were not

01:37:01.360 in the registry

01:37:01.960 as vaccinated,

01:37:03.060 they hunted you down

01:37:04.220 to your house,

01:37:05.320 and they showed up

01:37:06.120 at your door,

01:37:06.700 and they gave you

01:37:07.460 a violation

01:37:08.100 for literally existing

01:37:10.100 as God created you.

01:37:11.700 You got,

01:37:12.360 as God created you,

01:37:13.420 you're just standing

01:37:13.840 in your house,

01:37:14.920 just existing,

01:37:16.340 and they gave you

01:37:16.760 a violation.

01:37:17.440 And so,

01:37:18.460 ICANN actually

01:37:21.500 supported us

01:37:22.240 to represent

01:37:23.780 anybody,

01:37:24.820 anybody that got

01:37:25.660 those violations,

01:37:27.020 and hundreds

01:37:27.720 of people got them,

01:37:28.800 and we got almost

01:37:29.840 all of them dismissed

01:37:31.060 before the hearing.

01:37:32.540 Technical stuff.

01:37:33.360 You served at this time,

01:37:34.300 you did that,

01:37:34.720 you know.

01:37:35.160 But they were,

01:37:35.960 they were disproportionately

01:37:38.260 ultra-Orthodox Jews

01:37:39.520 from Brooklyn.

01:37:40.440 Yes,

01:37:40.880 in this instance.

01:37:42.240 Yes.

01:37:43.180 The good news about,

01:37:44.800 it's a group I like

01:37:45.780 in general,

01:37:46.700 but they're also

01:37:47.660 politically organized,

01:37:48.760 so pretty dumb

01:37:49.680 of the city of New York

01:37:50.560 to do that.

01:37:51.860 Well,

01:37:52.380 yeah,

01:37:53.340 I mean,

01:37:53.940 there were,

01:37:55.660 they're organized,

01:37:57.100 but also,

01:37:58.500 you know,

01:37:58.820 they were very lucky

01:37:59.860 in some respects

01:38:00.860 in that,

01:38:02.420 you know,

01:38:02.740 ICANN,

01:38:03.140 which believes

01:38:03.460 in informed consent,

01:38:04.240 that's the name,

01:38:04.780 informed consent action network,

01:38:06.140 you know,

01:38:06.360 supported our firm,

01:38:07.280 a lot of policy work

01:38:08.020 would do is on their behalf

01:38:08.740 to defend anybody

01:38:11.300 with these violations.

01:38:12.160 And so,

01:38:12.360 they put a notice out

01:38:14.000 in Yiddish

01:38:14.620 in the paper,

01:38:15.760 if you got a violation,

01:38:16.660 just call our firm.

01:38:17.640 And so,

01:38:17.940 they did.

01:38:18.960 And like I was saying,

01:38:19.800 we got most of them dismissed

01:38:21.080 except for like 20.

01:38:22.400 Now,

01:38:23.280 we went down to the hearing,

01:38:24.200 this is a long road

01:38:24.820 to answer your question

01:38:26.000 from earlier,

01:38:28.120 is that,

01:38:28.880 we went down to the hearing,

01:38:30.740 the,

01:38:31.420 the head lawyer

01:38:33.960 of the New York City Department

01:38:34.860 of Health

01:38:35.140 was on the other side

01:38:36.160 in the hearing room

01:38:36.920 defending the city of New York.

01:38:39.360 And so,

01:38:39.920 we ended up in the hallway

01:38:40.740 at one point,

01:38:41.900 you know,

01:38:42.280 just chatting,

01:38:43.300 very nice guy actually,

01:38:44.640 you know,

01:38:45.700 actually not as much

01:38:46.600 of an ideologue

01:38:47.160 as a lot of the folks

01:38:48.140 I encounter

01:38:48.520 in health departments.

01:38:50.360 And,

01:38:50.860 you know,

01:38:51.800 we had worked collaboratively

01:38:53.000 to,

01:38:53.640 we got most of them

01:38:54.300 dismissed even before that.

01:38:56.400 And,

01:38:56.820 you know,

01:38:57.440 lawyer to lawyer

01:38:58.220 says to me,

01:39:00.640 why are you doing this?

01:39:02.520 It's like,

01:39:02.960 I mean,

01:39:03.180 I looked you up,

01:39:03.820 you went to Berkeley,

01:39:05.380 clerk for the chief judge,

01:39:06.780 you went to late,

01:39:07.340 like,

01:39:08.220 why,

01:39:08.640 you know,

01:39:08.960 and this was earlier on

01:39:09.860 before I clearly

01:39:11.240 was doing this work.

01:39:12.360 Do you know what I mean?

01:39:13.120 At this point,

01:39:13.760 this is what I do.

01:39:17.220 And I,

01:39:17.760 and I said to him,

01:39:18.460 and this answers your question

01:39:19.560 from earlier,

01:39:21.220 I said to him,

01:39:22.040 look,

01:39:22.800 you,

01:39:23.080 you asked me a question earlier,

01:39:24.000 you said,

01:39:24.660 how am I treated,

01:39:25.680 right?

01:39:25.900 Do I feel like I'm outcast?

01:39:26.960 And I said to you,

01:39:27.860 but there's a community

01:39:28.680 that needs support.

01:39:29.860 And,

01:39:29.940 and so,

01:39:30.580 this is me finally

01:39:31.820 answering that question.

01:39:33.940 He said to me,

01:39:34.400 why do you do this?

01:39:35.560 And I said to him,

01:39:37.180 I said,

01:39:38.440 look,

01:39:39.400 I said,

01:39:40.420 I want you to just imagine

01:39:43.460 the following.

01:39:45.460 Imagine a group of people

01:39:46.640 in America right now,

01:39:47.800 today,

01:39:48.680 pick a group,

01:39:49.240 pick an ethnic group,

01:39:50.060 a religious group,

01:39:50.880 an national,

01:39:51.240 pick a group in your mind.

01:39:52.960 Okay?

01:39:53.840 Now,

01:39:54.180 I want you to imagine

01:39:55.080 people going national television

01:39:57.220 and they say the most horrific

01:39:59.020 things about them

01:39:59.800 and they feel no filter

01:40:00.920 in saying them.

01:40:01.480 they talk about

01:40:02.620 throwing their kids

01:40:03.320 out of school,

01:40:05.100 spelling them

01:40:05.980 from their jobs.

01:40:07.000 They call them quacks.

01:40:08.440 They call them

01:40:08.900 all kinds of horrible names.

01:40:10.920 They do all the things

01:40:12.060 to them we say

01:40:12.580 we should never do

01:40:13.360 to somebody,

01:40:14.220 right?

01:40:15.840 Because they're

01:40:16.580 this religion

01:40:18.020 or this ethnicity

01:40:19.040 or they,

01:40:20.000 or so forth.

01:40:21.160 We should never do

01:40:21.700 those things.

01:40:22.220 I said,

01:40:23.600 I said,

01:40:24.220 that's the group

01:40:25.680 you're talking about.

01:40:27.000 I said,

01:40:27.360 you're talking about

01:40:27.880 a group of individuals,

01:40:29.160 most people vaccinate.

01:40:31.100 I said to him,

01:40:31.860 most people vaccinate.

01:40:32.700 They choose to do it.

01:40:34.020 Okay?

01:40:35.280 Rare is the person

01:40:36.160 in my mind

01:40:36.680 who just wakes up one day

01:40:37.540 and goes,

01:40:37.840 you know what I want

01:40:38.260 to do today?

01:40:39.760 I'm going to stop

01:40:40.340 vaccinating my kids

01:40:41.100 so that I can be called

01:40:42.460 anti-quack,

01:40:43.340 anti-vax,

01:40:44.300 maybe get them kicked

01:40:45.040 out of school,

01:40:46.360 lose friends,

01:40:47.300 be called anti-science.

01:40:48.560 That's what I'm going

01:40:49.320 to do today.

01:40:50.160 No,

01:40:51.060 no,

01:40:51.340 nobody makes that decision

01:40:52.620 lightly.

01:40:53.940 You,

01:40:54.300 to go against

01:40:55.160 the social grain

01:40:56.000 and there's a strong

01:40:56.920 social grain on this,

01:40:57.820 especially if you're pre-COVID,

01:41:00.320 you have to have

01:41:01.060 something pretty powerful

01:41:02.380 happen to you.

01:41:03.440 That's right.

01:41:03.960 To make you decide,

01:41:05.600 whoa,

01:41:06.800 I'm not going to do that

01:41:07.820 or have some seriously

01:41:09.080 held beliefs

01:41:09.740 or one thing

01:41:10.780 or another.

01:41:11.960 And I said,

01:41:12.900 this is the group

01:41:13.660 of people you're talking about.

01:41:14.640 You're talking about

01:41:15.080 a group of people

01:41:15.700 who typically,

01:41:17.200 they're not vaccinating

01:41:18.380 because their child

01:41:19.480 themselves has had a,

01:41:21.120 somebody in their family

01:41:21.980 has bad,

01:41:22.780 some kind of adverse events,

01:41:24.160 some kind of bad experience.

01:41:25.420 That's right.

01:41:25.580 Exactly right.

01:41:25.960 And so they've realized

01:41:27.200 they overcome

01:41:28.260 that social conformity

01:41:29.600 to do what they think

01:41:31.180 they have to do

01:41:32.180 in that instance.

01:41:33.060 And then

01:41:34.120 to add to that injury,

01:41:36.840 what does society

01:41:37.780 do to them?

01:41:38.380 It adds insult.

01:41:39.680 It calls them names.

01:41:41.240 It berates them.

01:41:42.540 It throws their kids

01:41:43.360 out of school.

01:41:44.800 I mean,

01:41:45.120 it treats them

01:41:45.700 in the worst way

01:41:46.480 as possible.

01:41:47.080 The type of stuff

01:41:47.980 we should never do

01:41:48.780 to people,

01:41:49.800 but that's how

01:41:50.640 those people are treated.

01:41:52.780 And so when you say

01:41:53.700 to me,

01:41:54.240 do I feel like

01:41:56.440 I've lost friends?

01:41:56.960 Yeah,

01:41:57.180 yeah,

01:41:57.360 I've lost friends.

01:41:58.400 But there's an entire

01:41:59.640 community of folks

01:42:00.500 out there

01:42:00.900 who are that group

01:42:02.640 I just described to you.

01:42:04.520 And those folks

01:42:05.480 don't have the government

01:42:07.500 working for them.

01:42:08.740 The government

01:42:09.180 not only doesn't work

01:42:10.200 for them,

01:42:10.980 the government

01:42:11.320 fights them

01:42:12.080 with DOJ attorneys,

01:42:14.460 berates them

01:42:15.180 when they try

01:42:16.160 to even file claims.

01:42:17.360 I mean,

01:42:17.580 some of the reports

01:42:18.720 about the vaccine

01:42:19.300 compensation program

01:42:20.020 talks about

01:42:20.560 the aggressiveness

01:42:21.580 of some of the attorneys

01:42:23.120 and how they treat

01:42:24.460 some of the petitioners.

01:42:25.820 The government's

01:42:26.360 not working for

01:42:26.960 vaccine injuries,

01:42:27.780 it's working against

01:42:28.400 the vaccine injuries,

01:42:29.140 literally fights

01:42:30.060 against their claims.

01:42:31.960 So they're not

01:42:32.660 looking out for them,

01:42:33.360 industry's not

01:42:34.020 looking out for them,

01:42:35.120 who's looking out for them?

01:42:36.140 They look out for each other.

01:42:37.680 And that forms

01:42:38.620 a really strong

01:42:39.680 community of individuals

01:42:40.700 of what some call

01:42:42.640 the anti-vaxxers

01:42:43.660 or the medical freedom folks.

01:42:45.540 Really,

01:42:46.020 they're just people

01:42:46.600 who want to live their lives

01:42:47.840 and they don't want

01:42:49.640 to talk about this.

01:42:50.520 And worship their God.

01:42:51.440 Worship their God.

01:42:52.600 They don't want anything

01:42:53.500 to do with the topic.

01:42:54.900 They're the ones

01:42:55.320 who actually don't typically.

01:42:57.180 There are a few people

01:42:57.760 who are very loud.

01:42:58.520 They get all the attention.

01:43:00.340 But most of the folks

01:43:01.180 our firm represents

01:43:02.060 who've got issues with this,

01:43:03.440 the last thing they want

01:43:04.320 is to be on the radar

01:43:04.900 on this topic.

01:43:06.140 And we represent

01:43:06.520 a lot of people

01:43:07.340 when it comes to these products.

01:43:08.920 A lot of people are,

01:43:10.360 you're open about

01:43:11.260 what you just said earlier

01:43:12.760 with regards to your family

01:43:13.800 and your experience

01:43:14.620 with vaccines,

01:43:15.220 but most people,

01:43:16.720 including many famous people,

01:43:17.980 are not,

01:43:18.660 and they don't want to be.

01:43:19.500 Yeah, I mean,

01:43:21.500 I, yeah,

01:43:22.820 I've never talked

01:43:23.720 about that at all.

01:43:25.240 So I'm okay

01:43:25.760 if people don't like me

01:43:26.580 for what I do.

01:43:29.500 Yeah, well,

01:43:30.320 I've learned more

01:43:31.060 in this interview

01:43:31.580 than I expected to

01:43:32.960 and you've single-handedly

01:43:34.600 raised my regard

01:43:35.460 for lawyers.

01:43:37.540 And I never do this,

01:43:38.800 but I just,

01:43:39.220 I want to do it

01:43:39.720 in your case.

01:43:40.840 Tell us the name

01:43:41.560 of your firm.

01:43:42.840 Oh, sure.

01:43:43.920 It's Syrian Glimstad LLP.

01:43:47.920 In New York?

01:43:48.620 Well, we're all over.

01:43:50.920 We're national.

01:43:51.860 You know,

01:43:52.060 we've,

01:43:54.040 for our vaccine practices,

01:43:55.100 we try,

01:43:55.520 you know,

01:43:55.680 we help people

01:43:56.240 across the whole country.

01:43:58.980 So,

01:43:59.120 So for people

01:44:00.480 who have a family member

01:44:02.980 who suffered an injury,

01:44:05.540 you're,

01:44:05.880 you're open to talk

01:44:07.120 to them about

01:44:07.680 the next steps.

01:44:08.840 Yeah,

01:44:09.260 my firm does.

01:44:10.960 We do vaccine injury cases

01:44:12.380 in the VICP

01:44:13.100 if for folks

01:44:13.940 need to buy vaccines.

01:44:14.880 Okay, good.

01:44:15.180 Well, I just,

01:44:15.840 And then we also,

01:44:16.560 so,

01:44:16.860 but that's,

01:44:17.320 that's just fifth,

01:44:18.000 like 15 of the folks,

01:44:18.960 but then we do

01:44:19.420 vaccine policy cases.

01:44:21.040 So that's like,

01:44:22.060 you know,

01:44:22.400 that's actually even more

01:44:23.440 than the more folks.

01:44:25.000 So a lot of the cases

01:44:26.220 around COVID vaccines

01:44:27.660 that you may have heard of,

01:44:28.720 like suing the FDA

01:44:31.080 to get all of Pfizer's

01:44:31.980 clinical trial documents.

01:44:33.040 We brought that case

01:44:34.020 suing on behalf,

01:44:36.060 we sued on behalf of,

01:44:37.120 you know,

01:44:37.520 over a dozen members

01:44:39.540 of Congress

01:44:39.980 about mask mandates

01:44:40.860 on planes.

01:44:41.260 We struck down

01:44:41.860 COVID vaccine mandate

01:44:42.920 for school in California.

01:44:43.860 So we have a big policy practice

01:44:46.380 and that dovetails

01:44:47.060 with what,

01:44:47.620 a lot of what

01:44:48.220 we've been talking about,

01:44:48.780 which is where a lot

01:44:50.360 of my work is

01:44:51.060 and where I find fascinating.

01:44:52.380 And then we have,

01:44:53.380 we do vaccine exemption cases

01:44:54.880 in all areas.

01:44:55.740 We brought the case

01:44:56.280 against the Air Force

01:44:57.300 and the Army

01:44:57.840 where we got the injunction

01:44:59.000 and prevented

01:44:59.740 one of the great honors

01:45:01.680 of my life,

01:45:02.220 actually fighting

01:45:02.800 for the people

01:45:03.440 who fight for us

01:45:04.440 to preserve

01:45:05.640 the thing

01:45:06.400 that they swear to,

01:45:08.460 which is

01:45:09.740 to defend the Constitution.

01:45:10.660 What is the first freedom

01:45:11.440 in the Bill of Rights?

01:45:12.060 That's the right to religion.

01:45:13.800 And what did the military do?

01:45:14.920 He said,

01:45:15.080 no,

01:45:15.200 you don't get to have

01:45:15.800 your right,

01:45:16.320 your religious beliefs

01:45:17.100 with these vaccines.

01:45:18.060 So it was,

01:45:19.200 I was truly one of the,

01:45:20.320 one of the great honors

01:45:21.200 of my life

01:45:21.660 was to defend members

01:45:22.360 of the military

01:45:22.860 and them come to me

01:45:23.620 and it was humbling.

01:45:25.600 They're thanking me

01:45:26.280 for defending them.

01:45:27.240 Well,

01:45:27.320 I mean,

01:45:27.500 I'm just a lawyer.

01:45:28.120 I'm just going to court

01:45:29.280 and,

01:45:29.540 you know,

01:45:30.320 and these guys,

01:45:31.020 I mean,

01:45:31.780 those hearings

01:45:32.260 were incredible.

01:45:33.160 It would have brought tears

01:45:34.180 to your eyes

01:45:34.580 to be in those injunction hearings

01:45:36.120 when those members

01:45:36.700 of the military come in.

01:45:37.960 And anyways,

01:45:38.860 so we do,

01:45:40.560 we kind of do everything

01:45:41.740 and then we have,

01:45:42.860 and then we do,

01:45:43.860 yeah,

01:45:44.140 we do plaintiff side class action stuff

01:45:45.720 because,

01:45:46.320 you know,

01:45:46.640 there's,

01:45:47.620 there is work

01:45:48.700 that do we need to

01:45:49.360 to make money.

01:45:51.080 So,

01:45:51.960 is Bobby Kinney

01:45:53.480 going to get confirmed,

01:45:54.500 do you think?

01:45:54.840 I sure hope so.

01:45:59.340 There's nobody,

01:46:00.940 there truly is nobody

01:46:02.220 who is,

01:46:05.400 his whole life experience,

01:46:08.900 I believe he was put on this earth

01:46:10.300 to have that role.

01:46:11.620 He was,

01:46:12.240 he's prayed every day

01:46:13.540 for 20 years

01:46:14.180 as he always says

01:46:15.080 to be able to help save children.

01:46:18.420 And in that role,

01:46:19.360 he can do it.

01:46:20.740 Anybody who says,

01:46:21.500 well,

01:46:21.620 he's going to disrupt,

01:46:22.820 you know,

01:46:23.160 the way things are working.

01:46:25.420 Good.

01:46:26.640 Good.

01:46:27.900 We need disruption

01:46:28.940 because the way things

01:46:29.760 are working right now,

01:46:31.480 we've got a country

01:46:32.720 that's got over 50%

01:46:33.980 of people

01:46:34.340 with a chronic health condition,

01:46:35.460 often multiple conditions.

01:46:38.500 You,

01:46:38.700 we are,

01:46:39.240 did you know that?

01:46:40.920 I did.

01:46:41.440 Okay.

01:46:42.100 And,

01:46:42.400 and,

01:46:42.620 and we are

01:46:43.420 dead last

01:46:45.040 pretty much

01:46:45.880 on every single

01:46:47.140 health metric

01:46:48.000 amongst all developed countries

01:46:49.960 despite spending

01:46:51.000 almost three times

01:46:51.940 as much

01:46:52.400 on health care.

01:46:53.200 Yes.

01:46:53.520 Just think about those numbers.

01:46:55.020 We are on the fast path

01:46:56.800 not only to be

01:46:57.380 the sickest,

01:46:58.060 the sickest country.

01:46:59.240 This is,

01:46:59.880 this is the largest decline

01:47:02.400 in human health,

01:47:03.700 this chronic disease

01:47:04.500 explosion

01:47:05.460 in recorded human history

01:47:07.600 that I am aware of.

01:47:09.300 Okay.

01:47:09.540 And I'm,

01:47:10.240 that I'm aware of

01:47:10.980 this 40 year

01:47:12.440 chronic disease explosion.

01:47:14.180 I don't think

01:47:14.660 there's any

01:47:15.320 records

01:47:16.340 in,

01:47:17.140 in recorded human history

01:47:18.660 of that kind

01:47:19.380 of increase

01:47:19.900 and we're spending

01:47:21.420 three times as much

01:47:22.120 and we have the worst

01:47:22.840 outcomes in the developed world.

01:47:24.100 Yeah,

01:47:24.220 we need to change

01:47:25.000 and Mr. Kennedy

01:47:26.400 is not beholden

01:47:27.160 to pharmaceutical interests.

01:47:28.180 He's not beholden

01:47:28.840 to health insurance companies,

01:47:30.520 not beholden

01:47:31.080 to anybody.

01:47:32.460 He truly just wants

01:47:34.000 to do what's right.

01:47:34.720 I think it's,

01:47:35.500 it's a rare quality

01:47:36.660 and he is,

01:47:38.440 he has

01:47:39.180 gone through the fire

01:47:41.440 and he does not care

01:47:43.080 what anybody says

01:47:43.920 about him.

01:47:44.660 He does not care.

01:47:45.980 He only cares

01:47:47.020 about what's right

01:47:47.820 and what's true

01:47:48.740 and it is exactly

01:47:50.060 the type of leadership

01:47:50.940 and leader

01:47:51.440 that we need

01:47:51.920 in this country

01:47:52.460 and so God,

01:47:53.080 I hope he is confirmed.

01:47:54.960 Aaron Seary,

01:47:55.560 thank you very much.

01:47:57.080 All right,

01:47:57.280 thank you.

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