The Tucker Carlson Show - Are Christians Required to Pledge Loyalty to Bibi Netanyahu？ Carrie Prejean Boller & Tucker Respond.

00:00:00.000 carrie thank you for doing this i've been watching on the internet i've never met you

00:00:07.680 um but i'm i'm grateful for your honesty and your bravery and the precision of what you say

00:00:13.780 you never um in the face of all this criticism never got so mad that you revealed ugly sentiments

00:00:19.880 which i don't think you have you just stuck right to the christian case so bless you for that

00:00:23.780 But how did you get involved in the President's Religious Liberty Commission?

00:00:29.460 What is it and how did you become a member of it?

00:00:32.220 Very good question.

00:00:33.140 So I was Miss California in 2009.

00:00:35.800 Donald Trump owned the Miss Universe, Miss USA organization.

00:00:40.060 It was very controversial, but I dared to say on stage that I believe marriage is between one man and one woman.

00:00:45.220 Yes.

00:00:45.640 And I don't know if you remember that.

00:00:46.940 I do remember it.

00:00:47.640 And they punished you for it.

00:00:49.000 Huge controversy.

00:00:50.180 democracy um that was really before anybody was canceled so i i always tell people i was one of

00:00:55.660 the first to be canceled the crazy thing is the majority of californians agreed with you because

00:00:59.320 they vote they voted yeah in a referendum um pretty overwhelming prop eight which was then

00:01:05.940 invalidated by a judge because democracy is fake but you were you were saying what most of your

00:01:10.620 fellow californians believed 100 yeah and i was just standing on my principles which is what i'm

00:01:15.040 doing now. So Donald Trump loved me. He said, Carrie, this is going to be the best thing that

00:01:20.760 ever happened to you. I remember one day he was in his office and he's like, Carrie, you have the

00:01:25.940 it factor. And I'm like, what is that? I was 21 years old. I'm like, what does that mean?

00:01:29.480 And he's like, you just have it. He's like, you dared to speak the truth knowing what it would

00:01:34.100 cost you. And I think he really respected me for that. And so at 21, I became this conservative

00:01:41.740 relative darling, I guess you could say, and dared to stand up for my faith. And

00:01:45.900 I doubled down. You know, they told me, go on, Matt Lauer, and apologize for what you said.

00:01:51.960 You must apologize. Did they really tell you that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. The pageant people said,

00:01:55.960 go on and apologize. And I turned my phone off. I went on Matt Lauer and he's like, all right,

00:02:01.400 Carrie, let's do a redo. How would you answer the question? I said, I have no regrets. I would

00:02:06.680 literally- You're getting a lecture on sexual ethics from Matt Lauer? Yeah. Okay. The irony of

00:02:11.020 that yeah yeah so i said i'd rather be biblically correct than politically correct and from there

00:02:15.760 it was like i mean i was on every news station every day for the four months it was non-stop

00:02:23.160 it was to the point of like harassment like my 90 year old grandmother was being harassed i mean

00:02:28.240 it was insane um but i i stood firm and i did not waver and your position just to restate all these

00:02:35.580 years later was i believe marriage is between a man and a woman that was my answer that's it i

00:02:40.140 I said, no offense to anyone out there.

00:02:41.800 This is the way I was raised.

00:02:43.420 This is what I believe.

00:02:44.240 Marriage is between one man and one woman.

00:02:46.560 And I got second place and I got dragged through the mud.

00:02:50.200 It was horrible.

00:02:51.600 And the president loved me.

00:02:53.740 And he said, Kerry, this is, what do you want to do?

00:02:56.320 He's like, do you want to be on Dancing with the Stars?

00:02:58.160 Do you want to be on Fox News?

00:02:59.680 I did like a little tryout on the morning show at Fox with Roger Ailes in New York.

00:03:05.620 I didn't want to do that.

00:03:06.380 I didn't want to wake up at 3 a.m.

00:03:07.440 No, you don't.

00:03:08.380 And I said, you know what, Mr. President?

00:03:09.680 I said, all I want to do is get married, be a mom. I had met Kyle and I just said, I just want to

00:03:16.640 go on with my life. But I do want to write a book because nobody can take my story from me.

00:03:21.640 And so he signed off on it. Thank God he did, because it was amazing that I was able to share

00:03:27.420 my story. And I just kept in touch with him all these years. And so, you know, I would defend him

00:03:33.160 when they were calling him a sexist, saying he was going backstage and looking at the girls and

00:03:37.260 Miss USA and the, you know, changing rooms. And I would just constantly be like, no, that's not

00:03:43.120 the guy. Like you're painting him as this sexist, misogynist, racist, you know, and he was being 0.59

00:03:49.220 called every name in the book, you remember. And I just defended him always because I stand on truth.

00:03:55.420 And then fast forward to this Religious Liberty Commission. And I got a call from the White House

00:04:00.980 two days after I was confirmed as a Catholic. And they said, we're calling on behalf of the

00:04:06.020 president and we want to invite you to be on this religious liberty commission when was that it was

00:04:10.600 april 20th i want to say 2025 and i wept i was like wow this is incredible i mean almost 20 years

00:04:21.340 later after i took that stand here i am now defending religious liberty because i ultimately

00:04:28.760 lost the miss usa or miss california title because of my answer i will say that they took it away

00:04:33.800 from it. I remember. Yeah. And the president had my back, which was amazing. He said,

00:04:39.260 she just said nothing wrong. She stood on her principles. And I loved that about him.

00:04:43.720 Amen. I agree. Because that was when it was unpopular to do that. Yes.

00:04:47.560 You know, he risked a lot. I was standing there at Trump Tower with him and it was amazing. I'll

00:04:53.700 never forget that. And so we just stayed friends. I would call him while he's on the golf course and

00:04:57.540 be like, hey, they're asking me to go on the gay pride parade. I don't want to do that. 1.00

00:05:01.560 And he's like, I'll take care of it.

00:05:03.340 Don't worry.

00:05:04.220 And so-

00:05:04.880 The pageant people are trying to get you 1.00

00:05:05.960 to march in the gay pride parade.

00:05:07.120 Yeah. 0.96

00:05:07.500 They're like, well, you can make it up to the gays 1.00

00:05:09.520 by just going to the gay pride parade 0.93

00:05:11.760 and showing that you're not a homophobe.

00:05:17.200 So I'm used to these tricks.

00:05:19.020 I've been doing this 20 years.

00:05:20.720 So, yeah.

00:05:21.920 So that's how I got on the commission.

00:05:23.360 It's exactly what's happening now.

00:05:25.100 It's exactly.

00:05:26.320 Topic has changed sort of, but not the tactics.

00:05:30.560 So what did they tell you the Religious Liberty Commission was?

00:05:35.580 They told me that the Religious Liberty Commission was 12 of us, 12 commissioners.

00:05:40.880 And our job was to hear from everyday average Americans who were facing religious persecution, like myself right now, ironically.

00:05:49.100 So we would have hearings in D.C. once a month.

00:05:51.820 And Dan Patrick is the chairman of the commission.

00:05:54.220 We're equals on this commission.

00:05:55.920 Who's Dan Patrick?

00:05:56.780 He's the lieutenant governor of Texas.

00:05:59.080 He's not above me.

00:06:00.120 I'm not above him.

00:06:01.140 We're equals.

00:06:02.280 And it's under the Department of Justice.

00:06:04.400 So Pam Bondi is involved.

00:06:07.660 Actually?

00:06:08.120 Yeah.

00:06:09.120 Okay.

00:06:10.480 So we were told that we were going to be hearing from people at these hearings.

00:06:14.100 It's from like eight to two in the afternoon.

00:06:16.520 So very long day.

00:06:18.320 And the witnesses, we could recommend witnesses and then have them come and testify.

00:06:23.260 And I recommended so many great witnesses throughout these past seven months.

00:06:28.000 I recommended a little boy who was forced to, you know, read a book about how you can be a transgender.

00:06:34.120 And he came and met the president and everybody got to see that.

00:06:37.180 That was special.

00:06:38.600 The president really appreciated him and his parents' stance and standing up for religious freedom.

00:06:43.600 So stuff like that.

00:06:44.760 We heard from a Navy SEAL who lost his pension because he didn't want to get the COVID shot.

00:06:48.860 Things like that, where we were doing really great work.

00:06:51.640 And I thought it was actually protecting religious freedom.

00:06:55.060 But I realize now that's not what it was.

00:06:58.000 And no, it was softening up Christians for the Iran War, obviously, and other things.

00:07:05.000 Who were the other members of it, the other 11?

00:07:07.840 Yeah, so I actually, when I got the call, I actually wept because I didn't feel qualified.

00:07:14.940 I thought, you know, here I am amongst these incredible names.

00:07:20.320 Bishop Barron, Cardinal Dolan, Kelly Shackelford.

00:07:25.440 He's run a religious liberty law firm for 35 years.

00:07:30.040 He's a big CEO.

00:07:32.540 You had Ryan Anderson. 0.64

00:07:34.680 You had crazy Paula White. 0.99

00:07:39.020 Just these incredible names.

00:07:40.400 You have a woman, Alison Ho, who I believe her husband might be the next Supreme Court justice.

00:07:45.580 She's argued at the Supreme Court over, I think, eight times.

00:07:48.680 I mean, here I am, this mom who I just didn't feel qualified.

00:07:55.440 I didn't make the connection between your own experience of religious discrimination

00:07:59.760 and disappointment, but clearly that was the point, right?

00:08:03.120 But then I realized that, no, I am qualified.

00:08:05.820 In fact, I'm probably one of the most qualified because I don't know how many people on that

00:08:11.220 stage have ever been attacked, have ever been slandered, have ever been canceled,

00:08:16.940 have ever lost anything.

00:08:18.820 I mean, look at Dr. Phil.

00:08:19.740 He's on the commission.

00:08:20.500 He has a huge organization.

00:08:22.460 They have big backing, big money behind them.

00:08:26.280 And here I am, this little mom, that I'm not owned by anybody.

00:08:29.040 They can't take anything from me.

00:08:30.880 And that's why I'm free.

00:08:31.960 And that's why I said what I said that day.

00:08:33.720 So what were the meetings like?

00:08:36.720 Prior to the anti-Semitism hearing, they were incredible.

00:08:39.860 I was crying as I would listen to these people who are facing religious persecution.

00:08:45.260 And the end of this, the main part of this commission is the end of the one-year appointment

00:08:50.380 was we were going to sit down with the president and say, okay, here's our report. Here's what we

00:08:57.060 recommend that you, you know, maybe executive orders that you can put in, maybe legislative

00:09:01.480 things that you can push to protect religious freedom. And so I took this position very serious,

00:09:08.980 very serious. It makes me sad. You know, I was the champion for mothers who didn't want to 0.99

00:09:16.080 vaccinate their kids to go to school. Um, I listened to people that are suffering in Gaza

00:09:22.720 that simply just were protesting at their college campus. They're using their first

00:09:26.920 amendment rights. It's, it's crazy where we're at. Did you have any sense from talking to the

00:09:32.800 other members between April when you got it and was it January? I think when this

00:09:39.240 contretemps happened, did you have any sense that the other members of the commission

00:09:43.640 were trying to steer you in a certain direction, disagreed with you, had an agenda that was not

00:09:48.880 stated? I realized in August. So I got, I got appointed in April or May, May 1st, National Day

00:09:56.360 of Prayer, went to the White House, the president signed the executive order, we're all standing

00:09:59.880 there. And then we took the summer break. So we had a couple months off. And then our first hearing

00:10:05.820 was going to be, I believe it was end of August or early September. Well, end of August, I got

00:10:13.460 a call from the White House, the PPO, or I guess it was, no, it was the designated federal officer

00:10:20.340 who's in charge of the commission. So the head of Dan, he's the chairman and then his boss.

00:10:25.520 And she's like, hey, Carrie, I noticed that you've been posting some things online

00:10:30.860 and there's been some chatter in the White House that you're an anti-Semite.

00:10:37.280 You're an anti-Semite?

00:10:38.620 And I literally was like, what are you talking about?

00:10:42.720 Who was this person?

00:10:43.580 Her name's Mary Margaret Bush.

00:10:45.600 And she said, I don't know who it is,

00:10:47.440 but it's probably some low person

00:10:49.140 that is just trying to cause problems.

00:10:51.580 I would ignore it,

00:10:52.700 but I just wanted to make sure

00:10:54.600 that you're mindful of what you're posting.

00:10:56.860 And that was the first time where I was like,

00:10:59.200 okay, like I am not,

00:11:01.640 this is not a paid position.

00:11:03.120 I'm a volunteer.

00:11:04.400 They pay for my flight.

00:11:05.440 They pay for my hotel, but that's it.

00:11:07.900 I'm not paid to do this job.

00:11:09.160 I'm volunteering this job.

00:11:11.420 And so I said, wait a sec.

00:11:13.040 I pushed back and I said, you're telling me that as a religious liberty commissioner

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00:11:26.780 So I said, I pushed back and I said, what are the things that I've been posting?

00:11:30.660 Well, you posted Tucker Carlson's, or you posted the Green Beret that you interviewed, 0.91

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00:11:37.760 I said, yeah, I did.

00:11:39.520 I did post that.

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00:11:44.420 Yeah.

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00:15:29.880 posting an interview that I did made you an anti-Semite? She said that there were people

00:15:35.640 complaining about certain things that I was posting. And then this was the worst. She said,

00:15:41.100 you know, you posted Pope Leo, what he said, and you wrote in the caption, you know, that

00:15:47.440 there's suffering in Gaza and there's a genocide. You know, you really just,

00:15:52.840 you shouldn't use that language. That's when I knew this is a war. We are in an absolute war.

00:15:59.920 I said, I'm a Catholic. You're telling me that I have to censor my posts of Pope Leo,

00:16:07.920 the Holy Father? I can't post what he's saying, talking about the grave suffering

00:16:12.280 of the Palestinians in Gaza.

00:16:15.440 And she said, you also cannot talk about Zionism.

00:16:21.100 So Zionism, this is her words, is their right to exist. 0.98

00:16:26.340 And so when you're posting about Zionism, Carrie,

00:16:28.900 you're saying that the Jews don't have a right to exist.

00:16:32.960 Huh?

00:16:34.080 Mary Margaret Bush is her name?

00:16:35.500 Mary Margaret Bush is her name.

00:16:37.000 She's a young woman.

00:16:38.420 And I said, well, this wouldn't jeopardize

00:16:40.100 my position on the commission, would it?

00:16:42.020 Like the president doesn't know about this, right?

00:16:44.100 Because imagine me, I'm like, I just got appointed.

00:16:46.160 I'm super excited.

00:16:47.140 I'm passionate.

00:16:48.200 This is like my dream job to protect religious freedom.

00:16:50.980 And now I'm being told I don't have my own.

00:16:54.600 And she goes, oh, no, no, no, the president, no, don't worry about this, Carrie.

00:16:57.420 This wouldn't jeopardize.

00:16:58.560 So I just kept posting.

00:17:00.440 Well, then I got a call from the PPO office at the White House.

00:17:04.260 May I just ask you to pause for one sec?

00:17:05.880 Did she, did Mary Margaret Bush tell you who had called you an anti-Semite?

00:17:10.540 That's a serious slander.

00:17:12.020 Oh, yeah.

00:17:12.440 Did she name the people saying that?

00:17:13.600 She said, I have no idea who it is.

00:17:15.500 Oh, it's just people are saying.

00:17:17.240 I think the people was Paula White.

00:17:19.280 Let's just be honest.

00:17:20.500 It was Paula White, I think.

00:17:22.140 My personal opinion of that.

00:17:23.300 Okay, so now, I'm sorry to keep interrupting this amazing narrative, but for people who don't follow this, who is Paula White?

00:17:30.220 Paula White is Trump's pastor.

00:17:34.120 Okay.

00:17:34.680 That's who he picked as his pastor.

00:17:35.860 And she's a pastor?

00:17:37.200 That's her official position?

00:17:38.580 She's a pastor? 0.94

00:17:39.140 I don't believe women can be pastors, but who am I? 1.00

00:17:42.120 I'm just a dumb mom in California. 0.98

00:17:44.580 So is she's a Christian pastor, Paul? 0.99

00:17:47.440 She's a Christian Zionist evangelical heretic, in my opinion. 1.00

00:17:51.780 Okay.

00:17:52.840 But yeah, she's Trump's, she runs the White House, the faith office, White House position. 0.95

00:17:57.780 And she's on the Religious Liberty Commission with me and very involved in all things Vibi Netanyahu.

00:18:03.300 And so I got a call from...

00:18:05.820 How would you rate her authority as a Christian leader?

00:18:09.140 Oh, I don't take her serious at all.

00:18:12.880 I don't think she's a Christian leader. 0.99

00:18:14.480 I think she's a crazy person, honestly. 1.00

00:18:18.860 I think she's a heretic. 0.99

00:18:20.160 I think for people who think you're throwing those terms around lightly or slandering her,

00:18:25.740 I think it'd be worth going online and reading about her and watching videos of her demanding money from her congregation.

00:18:32.360 On film with some other Christian pastor in a foreign country, clearly.

00:18:36.780 she's got a complicated personal life

00:18:41.220 and saying things that bear no resemblance at all

00:18:44.120 to Christian doctrine.

00:18:45.300 I think it's fair what you're saying,

00:18:46.520 I guess is my point.

00:18:48.260 Yeah, so I got a call from the White House,

00:18:51.340 Mary Sprouls, another Mary, 0.59

00:18:53.720 and I looked her up.

00:18:55.000 From presidential personnel office.

00:18:56.580 Yes, PPO office, yeah.

00:18:57.840 I got a call in August,

00:18:59.060 shortly after that phone call with the other Mary.

00:19:02.220 And I'll never forget it.

00:19:04.880 I answered the phone and she's like,

00:19:06.600 Hi, Carrie. This is Mary Sprouls calling from the White House PPO office.

00:19:10.660 I'm calling to ask you for your resignation today.

00:19:14.900 When was this?

00:19:15.920 This was in August. Yeah.

00:19:19.300 This was in August, a few weeks after.

00:19:21.700 Yes, very scary.

00:19:23.320 And I remember I had like a tear just come down, but I wasn't sad.

00:19:27.980 It was like, it was like anger.

00:19:29.880 Had you gone to any meetings of the commission at this point?

00:19:32.080 Our first, we had a first hearing, just, yeah, briefly, like a brief hearing on kind of the history of religious freedom in America.

00:19:38.760 But our first hearing, the most important hearing coming up, the little boy that had to read the book, was a few weeks later.

00:19:45.540 Okay, so this is before you even, like, served out your duties as a commissioner.

00:19:48.860 Oh, yeah, no, it was before the first official hearing.

00:19:50.820 And she asked for your resignation.

00:19:52.520 She said, I want your written resignation today.

00:19:55.080 And I said, who are you?

00:19:57.240 I thought this was a joke.

00:19:59.000 Who is this person?

00:20:01.040 And she goes, I am calling on behalf of the White House.

00:20:04.120 I said, why would you ask me for my resignation?

00:20:06.620 I just got on this commission.

00:20:08.100 What did I do wrong?

00:20:10.100 Boy, you are tough.

00:20:11.500 Oh, I was not going to go down without a fight because I knew.

00:20:15.420 Clearly.

00:20:15.880 I knew.

00:20:16.520 I'm just looking at your husband who's nodding.

00:20:18.120 She's tough.

00:20:20.120 So, excuse me.

00:20:20.700 No.

00:20:21.100 No good for you.

00:20:22.360 Yeah, I said, I'm not resigning.

00:20:24.300 And I don't know who asked you to have me resign.

00:20:26.920 Was it the president?

00:20:28.160 Because I think the president should ask me to resign.

00:20:30.140 If he wants me to resign, he appointed me and only he can ask for my resignation.

00:20:35.200 So I'm not resigning.

00:20:37.860 So we got off the phone.

00:20:39.220 Wait, but on what grounds was she demanding your resignation?

00:20:41.640 She did not answer any questions.

00:20:43.220 She was just told.

00:20:44.320 It was like a puppet.

00:20:45.340 She was like, I got to just send the message.

00:20:47.380 So I called her back.

00:20:48.500 So she said, we're asking for your resignation, but she did not explain why.

00:20:52.260 No, she said, it's just not working out.

00:20:55.600 Yeah, literally, now that it's coming back to me.

00:20:58.520 This was not a Tinder date.

00:20:59.500 It's just not working out.

00:21:00.300 It's just not working out.

00:21:01.280 And I'm going, this is serious.

00:21:04.520 This is very serious.

00:21:06.580 So then I hung up and then I wanted to make sure it was a legit person.

00:21:09.500 So I called right back and I said, hi, Mary.

00:21:11.880 I said, this is Carrie.

00:21:13.420 I'm just curious, please.

00:21:14.920 I know you don't want to give me information.

00:21:16.680 I know you're just a messenger because I didn't want to be mean to her.

00:21:19.000 Of course.

00:21:20.120 But I said, who is telling you to have me resign?

00:21:24.220 Who have you talked to?

00:21:26.540 And I'll never forget it.

00:21:27.700 she didn't want to say it, but she finally said it. She goes, I've talked to Paula White

00:21:32.240 and Dan Patrick and Brittany Baldwin, who Brittany Baldwin used to work for Ted Cruz.

00:21:37.500 So it's all making sense now what's going on. So this is a witch hunt. They're trying to actively

00:21:44.160 remove me. And they know that the only way that I could be removed is if I resign or if I die

00:21:49.780 or if the president removes me. So in my mind, I'm thinking, does the president know about this

00:21:56.760 Or is this just the Dan and Paula trying to out me on their own?

00:22:02.260 I think they thought, oh, if we ask her to resign, she'll resign. 1.00

00:22:04.960 But I didn't resign.

00:22:05.840 I said, no, there's no reason to resign.

00:22:07.700 You should resign, actually.

00:22:10.300 Why are you asking me to resign?

00:22:12.360 So she told me, Dan, Patrick, Paula.

00:22:15.340 So immediately, imagine how boiling I was.

00:22:18.540 So I tried to get in touch with Paula White.

00:22:20.960 No response.

00:22:22.340 I tried to get in touch with Dan.

00:22:24.220 No response.

00:22:24.760 Did you call them or text them?

00:22:26.300 The weirdest part about this commission, I honestly think it's so fake and gay because we didn't even have each other's like phone numbers, emails. 1.00

00:22:34.320 Like I had to literally ask like, hey, can I get Paula White's email?

00:22:39.080 So I actually called her daughter-in-law.

00:22:40.940 Her name's Rachel.

00:22:41.580 She's a pastor, young woman.

00:22:43.960 And I said, hey, Rachel, I said, I just got this disturbing call.

00:22:47.280 I need to talk to Paula immediately.

00:22:49.820 And she's like, okay, let me try to get a hold of her.

00:22:53.320 Paula never called me back.

00:22:54.700 What?

00:22:55.420 No, I waited for like a week and a half.

00:22:57.680 Isn't she required to in the New Testament?

00:23:00.160 If you have a conflict with a fellow Christian.

00:23:02.700 Is it Matthew 18?

00:23:03.720 Matthew 18.

00:23:04.480 Man, you're good.

00:23:04.960 Yeah.

00:23:05.360 But I mean, that's a requirement from Jesus.

00:23:07.180 You've got a problem.

00:23:07.960 Go directly to that person.

00:23:09.360 Exactly.

00:23:10.020 Yeah.

00:23:10.460 So I did.

00:23:11.520 And she did not want to call me back.

00:23:13.880 And then her daughter-in-law, I got her on the phone and her daughter-in-law said, 0.77

00:23:17.540 yeah, I talked to my mom and she said, don't worry about it.

00:23:22.120 There's a lot of snakes in DC.

00:23:23.800 There's a lot of snakes in the White House. 0.55

00:23:25.580 And I would just ignore it.

00:23:27.000 And my mother-in-law loves you, Carrie.

00:23:29.860 Don't worry about it.

00:23:31.500 I think it's just one of the snakes in the White House.

00:23:33.140 But Paula White would not speak to you directly.

00:23:35.000 No, no.

00:23:36.380 So then finally, after I was on pins and needles for a week and a half,

00:23:40.140 wondering what's going on, am I on this commission?

00:23:42.260 I emailed everybody.

00:23:43.400 I called Bishop Barron.

00:23:44.360 I got him on the phone.

00:23:45.100 I said, hey, have you been, did you like hear that they tried to remove me?

00:23:48.900 He goes, what?

00:23:50.000 Why would they try to remove you?

00:23:51.080 I said, I have no idea other than I've been criticizing Israel and talking about the genocide

00:23:56.160 in Gaza. Sorry, I'm a pro-life Christian. I can't sit here while children are being starved and

00:24:01.300 bombed. And he totally supported me. And he's like, this is insane. You would never be removed

00:24:05.880 from that. Bishop Barron told me that. Talk to Ben Carson. Ben Carson's on the commission with

00:24:12.100 me. Hey, Ben, did you hear about them trying to remove me from this commission? No, absolutely

00:24:16.880 not. Ignore it. I've never heard of anything about this. Kelly Shackelford, same thing. I said,

00:24:21.960 you're a religious liberty attorney for 35 years. Did I do something wrong? Am I not allowed to have

00:24:26.800 my religious freedom while serving on this religious liberty commission? Or do I have to

00:24:31.340 be a Zionist who supports a genocide? Is that the requirements of this commission? He said the same 0.99

00:24:36.840 thing. I haven't heard a word. I literally talked to almost everyone on the commission. I talked to

00:24:43.100 Cardinal Dolan, in person.

00:24:45.100 I said, they tried to get me off this commission, Cardinal.

00:24:47.460 He goes, what? For what?

00:24:48.880 I said, well, because I've been posting about Gaza.

00:24:51.240 He goes, I just gave humanitarian relief to Gaza.

00:24:54.120 So if they're going to kick you off, I guess they're going to kick me off too.

00:24:56.980 Literally his words, Cardinal Dolan.

00:24:59.440 They all supported me.

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00:27:00.960 So at this point, you believed it was just Paula White, the lieutenant.

00:27:14.920 Why would the lieutenant governor of Texas be on this commission? 0.96

00:27:18.720 I think that he is a snake.

00:27:20.420 I think him and Paula are together in this, and they wanted to get rid of any dissenting voice that goes against their Zionists.

00:27:28.840 But why was he on the commission?

00:27:30.200 I didn't even know who he was.

00:27:32.460 I had no idea who he was, but I guess Trump appointed him as the chairman of this commission.

00:27:38.800 So then I got a call after I was on pins and needles.

00:27:41.580 I finally got a call, and it was Dan and Paula.

00:27:44.840 And I'll never forget.

00:27:45.980 I literally remember every word.

00:27:47.320 Dan Patrick and Paula White.

00:27:48.280 Yes, they called me, and they said,

00:27:49.960 Hi, Kerry, I know you've been worried this past couple weeks, but Dan started.

00:27:55.300 And he goes, I just want to let you know we've been in meetings about your situation.

00:28:00.200 What situation?

00:28:00.880 Yeah, what situation that I'm posting about,

00:28:03.880 God forbid, I criticize Israel.

00:28:06.340 Can't do that while serving in this administration.

00:28:09.280 And he said, you know, I just want to let you know,

00:28:11.240 Carrie, your job on this commission,

00:28:13.140 I'll never forget this, Tucker.

00:28:14.920 Your job on this commission is protect the president

00:28:17.100 and his reputation.

00:28:20.280 He said that to me the first thing out of his mouth.

00:28:23.760 I couldn't believe it.

00:28:24.940 I go, what?

00:28:25.620 I thought my job is protect religious freedom.

00:28:28.000 I thought that's what he appointed me to do.

00:28:30.200 And he goes, you know, you've been saying things online, Carrie, and you really need to stay off

00:28:35.660 social media. Do not use social media between now and the end of your term. And then Paula White

00:28:43.700 chimed in and she said, yeah, Carrie, you know what? You really shouldn't be posting about

00:28:48.560 replacement theology. You shouldn't be posting about that. And there's a lot of people that

00:28:55.300 are saying that you're an anti-Semite, Carrie, by your posts. You're criticizing Zionism.

00:29:01.080 You're criticizing Israel. And we have a problem with that. And then Dan chimed in again and he

00:29:08.700 got loud. He got real loud. And he's like, you know, Carrie, because I pushed back and I said,

00:29:13.140 well, wait a second. I said, what am I posting that is so offensive to you? That's against the

00:29:18.020 rules of this commission because I didn't sign anything saying I wasn't going to use my social

00:29:21.940 media. I speak out about things that I care about. I'm a religious person. I'm a Christian.

00:29:27.900 And he said, you've been saying things that go against, never forget this. He goes,

00:29:36.840 you've been saying things that are not in alignment with the president and are not

00:29:40.740 in alignment with Paula White and some of the other members on this commission.

00:29:44.820 and that's when I knew that this commission was a fraud it was it was pretend it was not about

00:29:53.000 religious freedom it was about you better be a Zionist you better push our agenda or you're off 0.75

00:29:58.800 and that was in August so we ended the conversation Dan got really upset because I said I I really do

00:30:06.380 want to keep posting I'm not going to not use my social media can't agree to that Dan and he goes

00:30:12.060 Well, why don't you just, if you have any questions about Israel or Gaza, because Paula White chimed in and was like, I'm the expert in that.

00:30:20.400 Paula White's an expert in Gaza?

00:30:21.980 Yeah.

00:30:22.380 Yeah, I'm the expert in that.

00:30:23.460 You know, I just got back from there and there's no kids starving there.

00:30:25.560 It's all fake, Carrie.

00:30:26.440 It's all pretend.

00:30:28.060 Yeah.

00:30:28.800 And so she said, if you want-

00:30:30.160 She's a Christian minister saying that?

00:30:31.460 Yeah.

00:30:32.060 Yeah.

00:30:32.560 Do you think that she, at any point in the course of a day, feels like, oof, I'm going to have to answer for this at some point?

00:30:40.160 No, I think she's just-

00:30:41.760 To deny the death of children in the name of Jesus is a pretty heavy thing to do.

00:30:45.580 It's pretty sick.

00:30:46.780 It's pretty dark.

00:30:48.560 And she said, I want you, if you have any questions about anything, if you want to post

00:30:52.640 anything, you need to run it by me first.

00:30:57.660 So now Paula White, an equal of mine on this commission, is now telling me that I have

00:31:03.320 to get everything approved by her in order to post about my religious beliefs.

00:31:09.400 Is that insane?

00:31:11.760 It's making my heart beat fast at listening to this.

00:31:14.100 Yes.

00:31:14.880 So that's the backstory.

00:31:16.380 Well, it's completely evil.

00:31:17.780 And I'll just say, I know Paula White sort of.

00:31:20.240 I know Dan Patrick very well.

00:31:21.800 He's a lot more liberal than I am.

00:31:23.440 He's quite liberal, but I always liked him. 0.95

00:31:27.100 You know, he's not stupid at all. 0.91

00:31:30.540 And I'm shocked by this. 0.99

00:31:33.020 I was shocked by it.

00:31:34.260 It's so disgraceful.

00:31:35.740 Me too.

00:31:36.920 I cried, actually.

00:31:37.940 I cried.

00:31:38.500 I cried to my husband.

00:31:39.320 I cried to my kids.

00:31:41.760 I couldn't believe this.

00:31:43.180 I couldn't believe that this was happening in the United States of America, that we care more about protecting a foreign nation than we do our own people.

00:31:51.820 Did either one of them, so Dan is a self-described Christian, Paula White is some kind of Christian minister, I guess.

00:32:00.180 I want to be clear, it doesn't look like Christianity to me, but I'm trying not to judge.

00:32:03.920 But did either one of them explain why a requirement of the Christian faith is supporting the Netanyahu government?

00:32:10.000 Do they explain the theology there?

00:32:12.140 Because I don't understand it.

00:32:14.300 Yeah, no, they never explained it.

00:32:15.740 They just said, you can't have your theology.

00:32:18.840 You can't believe what you want.

00:32:20.620 You have to submit to ours.

00:32:22.660 But their theology is that Christians are required 1.00

00:32:26.120 as a matter of faith to support the government of Israel.

00:32:29.580 Oh, yeah.

00:32:30.480 Oh, yeah.

00:32:31.080 Do you have any idea?

00:32:31.680 Those who bless Israel will be blessed.

00:32:33.600 It's exactly what Ted told you.

00:32:36.500 Yeah, I mean, he had no idea where in the Bible it was.

00:32:38.640 of course, that line is not actually in the Bible. It doesn't say that. But whatever,

00:32:43.880 the leap between that, whatever that means, it does mean something. And the moral, the religious

00:32:52.560 requirement to support the government of Israel. I mean, those are just like completely two

00:32:57.880 different things. No, they don't think they are. Did Paula White or Dan Patrick explain

00:33:03.300 where you were wrong on doctrine?

00:33:05.320 No.

00:33:06.440 No, they just said,

00:33:07.280 I cannot hold firm to replacement theology,

00:33:09.840 which they don't know, Catholics,

00:33:11.300 it's fulfillment theology.

00:33:12.340 We believe that we are the fulfillment.

00:33:15.440 It's not replaced.

00:33:16.560 They like to dig us and say,

00:33:18.380 oh, you believe in replacement theology.

00:33:19.960 No, no, no, we're the fulfillment.

00:33:22.200 Christ is the fulfillment of Israel. 0.97

00:33:25.320 Well, that's what it says in the New Testament.

00:33:27.460 Yeah, exactly.

00:33:29.520 I mean, it says it like on every page.

00:33:32.500 So, but they're accusing you of believing

00:33:34.680 in something called replacement theology.

00:33:36.300 For people who don't follow this,

00:33:37.680 and I'm kind of one of them,

00:33:38.620 I don't fully understand what that means.

00:33:39.960 What do they mean by that?

00:33:40.880 They believe that, so replacement theology,

00:33:43.480 their claim is that the church has replaced Israel.

00:33:45.580 So for 2000 years,

00:33:46.520 that's what all of the early church fathers have taught,

00:33:48.860 that we are the new Israel, we're the spiritual Semites.

00:33:53.520 They would literally be rolling in their graves

00:33:55.980 if they thought that we were being told

00:33:58.740 that 1948 Israel is some biblical prophecy fulfillment.

00:34:03.880 I mean, that alone is insane.

00:34:07.100 That they think that this political state of Israel

00:34:09.760 that was created in 48, mostly by atheists,

00:34:13.940 is some biblical prophecy being fulfilled.

00:34:18.380 And I mean, you're aware of Darby and Schofield.

00:34:20.920 And so this is the fruit of that,

00:34:23.140 of those rotten seeds.

00:34:24.780 Is there any other place in America,

00:34:27.020 I mean, in the world, rather, where you have a big group of Christians who believe that 1948 Israel is a fulfillment of prophecy.

00:34:33.940 No. In fact, do you know, Tucker, that I asked my priest, who I had several, I had about six priests guiding me before this hearing,

00:34:42.020 spiritually advising me before this hearing, because I wanted to make sure.

00:34:44.720 I need to make sure that I know what I'm saying and that it's actually accurate with what the church teaches.

00:34:50.060 And I'll never forget, he's from Spain. God bless him. He's so, so sweet.

00:34:55.300 and I said, Father, do you know what Zionism is? He looked at me like I was an alien. He's like,

00:35:02.040 what's Zionism? I couldn't believe it. I said, you realize in America that these people like 0.87

00:35:09.880 Paula White, Dan Patrick, Ted Cruz, most of our politicians in government who have power,

00:35:16.780 who are in the White House praying over the president, they're Zionists. They believe that 0.99

00:35:21.680 1948 Israel is a biblical prophecy fulfillment.

00:35:26.800 He looked at me like I was crazy.

00:35:29.320 He said, nobody's ever taught that.

00:35:32.460 I said, I know.

00:35:33.800 And now they're forcing it on me,

00:35:35.760 a Catholic on this commission.

00:35:38.660 Yeah, it's really scary.

00:35:40.420 Well, it's, yeah.

00:35:41.480 And especially since we just wound up in a war

00:35:45.360 thanks to this.

00:35:46.520 I mean, it's hard not to see this as all preparation

00:35:48.620 for this war, which is resetting the world.

00:35:52.280 And they had to get rid of the only dissenter of that, of Zionism. 0.80

00:35:57.460 They had to get rid of her on this commission before the war. 0.94

00:36:01.140 It was within weeks.

00:36:03.860 That did occur to me watching this.

00:36:05.940 Why is it so important to crush this woman? 1.00

00:36:08.320 Like, okay, she's got views you disagree with.

00:36:10.540 It's a religious liberty commission.

00:36:13.320 You've got, are there Jews on it too?

00:36:15.500 One rabbi. 0.94

00:36:16.180 One rabbi. 0.94

00:36:16.800 So he's got different views.

00:36:18.620 You would think, he's Jewish, you're a Christian. 0.66

00:36:20.880 That's okay.

00:36:21.800 Yeah.

00:36:22.560 It's okay to disagree.

00:36:24.240 I know.

00:36:24.540 But it's not okay to question the behavior of the secular nation state of Israel.

00:36:32.480 So that tells you it's not really about religious liberty, right?

00:36:34.700 No, not at all.

00:36:34.920 No, it's about...

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00:37:37.840 that conversation was what? They call you and tell you you've got to run your social media post by

00:37:42.180 this priestess yeah and you say no then what happens so i i kind of played along with it

00:37:49.560 just to see where it would go so i didn't stop posting but i would run things by her like that 0.77

00:37:54.880 that kid in florida who was being detained in israel yeah i sent her an email and i said hey

00:37:59.920 paula i said there's a kid in you know israel that's detained i said u.s citizen u.s citizen

00:38:04.100 i said we need to we need to do something about this i said i know you have connections with bb

00:38:09.020 maybe you can call Bibi up and see if you can get him released. This is what I am supposed to do on

00:38:15.080 this commission. This is a U.S. citizen that is being detained, a child in Israel, and nobody's

00:38:20.400 doing anything about it. No response. Then I sent her another email saying, hey, Paula,

00:38:27.440 there's a bunch of teachers. The Christian schools in Israel are being shut down because these

00:38:33.120 Palestinian teachers are being told they can't come and teach. So these Christian schools are 0.84

00:38:38.460 going to be closed. Can you help? Can you do something about it? No response. So this arrogant

00:38:45.980 woman who had the audacity to ask me to get things run by her in order to post online doesn't even 1.00

00:38:55.180 have the respect to respond. She does not care about religious freedom at all. And that's when

00:39:02.520 that's when i really knew that i was up against a big big giant um so i just kept posting

00:39:10.300 and i i just kept posting more more and more every day because i wasn't gonna allow them

00:39:18.180 to do this to me no they messed with the wrong person apparently they did yeah oh i love it so

00:39:26.080 much i can't stand it i wish more men were like this i know sorry to say that it makes me so sad

00:39:31.060 um anyway yeah it's like it's 90 of the people i know in my world who are like oh you told me to

00:39:39.560 violate my principles i'm doubling down on my principles they're like 90 women and i don't 1.00

00:39:43.580 know what and i respect and love them all truly revere them but like half the population's male

00:39:50.080 are where the men i don't i don't get it i talk to my wife about this all the time like what is

00:39:53.580 that they're afraid it's well nobody wants to be called an anti-semit i get it nobody wants to be

00:39:59.080 called a racist. Nobody wants to go through what you're going through, what I'm going through.

00:40:02.400 No, I agree.

00:40:03.120 You know, they put you in this box and they shut the door and they say, 1.00

00:40:06.020 shut up, you anti-Semite. You're not allowed in society. We're going to shame you. We're going to 1.00

00:40:12.580 cancel you. We're going to destroy you. That's what they do. 1.00

00:40:16.200 Yeah. And of course, it raises the chances you're going to get shot to death by a lot,

00:40:20.120 which is one of the reasons they do it. Right. So we had this moment of agreement

00:40:23.280 after Charlie Kirk was killed that, you know, 0.96

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00:40:29.580 And so I immediately, immediately called Mark Levin 0.65

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00:40:36.680 They both agreed.

00:40:38.860 And the next thing you know, because they do understand,

00:40:42.040 it makes it more likely you'll be killed.

00:40:43.940 Oh, yeah.

00:40:44.320 They're totally pro-violence, obviously.

00:40:46.320 Yeah.

00:40:47.040 And so, yeah, the stakes are super high.

00:40:49.860 Very high.

00:40:50.380 I have small children.

00:40:51.300 Oh, I get it.

00:40:51.680 I take this very serious.

00:40:52.860 You should take it seriously.

00:40:54.380 So then what happened?

00:40:56.260 So then I just doubled down.

00:40:59.740 I kept posting.

00:41:00.560 I wasn't getting any responses from Paula.

00:41:02.380 I sent a follow-up with the head of the commission saying,

00:41:06.200 hey, are other commissioners being told they can't post on social media

00:41:10.920 or am I the only one given that guidance?

00:41:14.440 Yeah.

00:41:15.520 And she sent me an email back saying,

00:41:17.580 well, you must have prudence when you post, which I agree with.

00:41:22.860 Um, but none of the other commissioners, Tucker, were told what I was told.

00:41:28.440 They were all posting freely.

00:41:30.760 Dr. Phil was posting.

00:41:32.300 Eric Metaxas, who has his own show, he's posting.

00:41:35.300 Eric Metaxas?

00:41:36.040 He's on the commission.

00:41:36.980 Actually?

00:41:37.520 Yeah, actually.

00:41:39.060 Crazy.

00:41:40.680 Crazy. 0.74

00:41:41.540 Wow. 0.95

00:41:42.300 Since, since my removal, he has attacked me like you cannot imagine.

00:41:48.560 Very disappointing.

00:41:50.000 Sad, sad guy.

00:41:51.360 Yeah.

00:41:51.580 Sad, very troubled guy.

00:41:53.180 So leading up to this hearing, imagine all that backstory.

00:41:56.280 So people only saw that hearing in February, but there was a whole backstory and I kept

00:42:00.680 my mouth shut.

00:42:01.720 I wanted to come out and tell the world what they did to me.

00:42:05.960 And I actually was going to do it on stage that day, but my priest advised me not to.

00:42:13.520 I don't know if I should have or shouldn't have, but I kind of wanted to call Paula

00:42:17.500 White and Dan Patrick out to their face in front of the world.

00:42:20.760 So this all leads up to the hearing last month.

00:42:23.120 Yes, the anti-Semitism hearing.

00:42:24.880 And so did you have contact with anybody else on the commission that day before the hearing?

00:42:32.000 No.

00:42:32.540 So the way it works is before the hearing, once we request our witnesses, we get a whole 40-page, you know, rundown of everything they're going to say, who they are, what they're going to speak about.

00:42:43.620 Kind of so we can prepare to ask them questions and kind of go back and forth, take notes and all that.

00:42:48.820 And so I realized I hadn't gotten the paper yet.

00:42:54.120 I hadn't gotten who was speaking.

00:42:55.700 And I had requested four Jewish Americans who are facing true anti-Semitism here in America.

00:43:05.020 And they were all four rejected.

00:43:07.140 Why?

00:43:08.100 Because they're not Zionists. 0.97

00:43:10.380 You had to be a certain kind of Jew in order to be accepted. 0.99

00:43:14.000 They were rejected?

00:43:15.040 They were rejected.

00:43:16.040 By whom?

00:43:16.920 By the commission.

00:43:17.940 Whoever calls the shots, I have no idea.

00:43:20.680 It's so unorganized.

00:43:22.400 I honestly don't even know how this commission works, unfortunately.

00:43:25.520 It's embarrassing to say that, to admit it.

00:43:27.740 But I don't know who approves these.

00:43:30.480 I recommended Norm Finkelstein, who he's written books about.

00:43:36.280 I mean, he is so knowledgeable on this.

00:43:39.000 Son of Holocaust survivors.

00:43:40.200 Yeah.

00:43:40.760 Who better?

00:43:41.420 Who better to speak on this than Norm?

00:43:43.920 He was rejected.

00:43:44.660 Norm Finkelstein, who else?

00:43:46.080 Miko Pallad.

00:43:47.040 He's an Israeli citizen, raised there in Israel, and now he runs a Palestinian organization, does tremendous work.

00:43:59.520 And then this guy, David Spelvik in New York, he's out of New York.

00:44:04.840 And then I requested a rabbi, a Jewish rabbi, who's been fighting against Zionism for over 40 years.

00:44:11.020 What they call a Torah Jew, I assume.

00:44:13.440 A believer in the Torah.

00:44:14.900 Yes.

00:44:15.040 not the he says he's an orthodox that's how he yeah so yeah there are a lot of those i know a

00:44:21.240 bunch of oh yeah they're all anti um zionists yeah yeah so anyway they were all rejected i

00:44:27.480 requested two palestinian christian organizations to speak just to have a fair and balanced hearing

00:44:31.960 i wanted to be fair and balanced um they were rejected too yeah unfortunately so i'm on the

00:44:38.700 plane heading to dc before the hearing i still haven't gotten the rundown of who's except who

00:44:43.620 who are, who am I going to be hearing from? So I send an email. Hey, I'm wondering where the

00:44:49.060 rundown is. I need to prepare. I'm on the plane. I need to prepare for this hearing tomorrow.

00:44:54.240 Okay. Yeah. We'll send it over soon. Never sent it. Never got it from them. I had to,

00:44:59.760 I had to email Kelly Shackelford and say, Hey Kelly, did you receive any

00:45:03.380 preparations for this hearing? Oh yeah. Yeah. They sent it a couple of weeks ago.

00:45:07.680 So they purposely did not send me the rundown. I believe, I believe they wanted to leave me out

00:45:13.380 of it. So I wasn't prepared, but I was prepared. So you had no idea who was going to appear at

00:45:18.920 the hearing? No, no idea. No idea. And the only way I knew Norm wasn't accepted and Miko and David

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00:47:16.220 Wow, this is really dark. It is. So how did you feel flying to Washington? Scared. I was scared

00:47:22.800 for my life. You know, most of the commissioners stay at the Museum of the Bible because that's

00:47:25.940 where the hearing is. I had requested that I stay there due to my safety. They rejected

00:47:29.900 that. I stayed at a random hotel across the way. They wouldn't let you stay there? No, I requested.

00:47:36.460 I said, hey, I don't feel safe. I'm traveling alone. No. No, I said, for my safety, I'd like

00:47:43.280 to stay at the museum. That way I just go down the elevator and I'm there at the hearing. No.

00:47:49.300 So I had a Muslim woman who has become a dear friend, like a sister. She's on the advisory

00:47:54.860 board to this commission. She's one of the only Muslim representatives. So there's 30 advisory 0.57

00:47:59.400 board members. And then there's the 12 commissioners. So I said, hey, Samira, I said,

00:48:04.640 would you mind meeting me at my hotel and walking with me over? Like, I don't really feel safe

00:48:08.660 walking alone. Sure. Yeah. So she met me in my hotel lobby and I got a text at 730 in the morning.

00:48:16.880 The hearing was supposed to start at eight. We were supposed to arrive at 745 and it was from

00:48:20.900 Dan Patrick. And he said, meet me in this room for a meeting with me and Paula. I was like, oh,

00:48:27.740 you guys want to play dirty last last hour you want to play dirty okay so i didn't respond i'm

00:48:34.620 not gonna i'm not gonna engage in that i'm here for the religious liberty commission and i knew

00:48:38.680 this hearing was very important so i did not respond so as soon as i get to the museum of

00:48:43.660 bible go in the vip entrance back door samira's with me britney baldwin comes up and she remember 0.98

00:48:50.960 she was one of the ones that the white house mentioned that they spoke to about my resignation

00:48:56.500 So I'm already on to her.

00:48:57.120 And she was a former Ted Cruz staffer.

00:48:59.160 Yes, yes.

00:49:00.240 And so she came up to me and goes,

00:49:01.900 oh, Carrie, Dan Patrick wants to meet you

00:49:04.340 in the room with Paula.

00:49:07.120 And I said, I don't feel comfortable

00:49:09.100 meeting with him alone.

00:49:10.420 I'm sorry.

00:49:11.820 Unless Samira's welcome, I'll come with her, 0.99

00:49:14.120 but I'm not coming alone.

00:49:16.000 She got very nervous and was like,

00:49:17.400 oh, okay, I'll let him know.

00:49:20.440 And I said, okay, let him know.

00:49:22.560 So she made Samira go 0.96

00:49:24.020 and I went to the back with all the commissioners.

00:49:25.780 and so I'm sitting back there at that point I'm like at a 10 like I had probably have smoke coming

00:49:31.540 out of my ears I'm at a 10 just hearing oh it Tucker this has been going on far too long like

00:49:36.480 these people are relentless and they thought that they could bully me a mom in California

00:49:42.220 but they didn't know what they were up against because I was not going to back down so I walk

00:49:47.900 in the back Dan Patrick is in there with with Ben Carson and I believe Paula White was already in

00:49:52.540 there. And I'd walk right past, go to the back, start, you know, preparing because thank God

00:49:58.080 Kelly sent me the list. And I'm just to myself and Eric Metaxas comes up and he goes, what's

00:50:04.880 wrong with you? And I go, really? Do you want to know what's wrong with me? I said, were you told

00:50:10.100 that you can't post on social media while you serve on this commission or was it just me?

00:50:16.400 I know you're a Zionist, so you're probably safe, but I'm not a Zionist. So I was told I can't post

00:50:22.520 about my position on Israel. I can't post criticism of Israel. And he looks at me like

00:50:30.440 I was crazy. And he's like, what? They told you you can't post? I said, yeah, they told me I can't

00:50:34.380 post. I said, that's what's going on, Eric. That's what's going on. And now they're trying

00:50:38.300 to do an intervention meeting right before the hearing with Dan and Paula and Ben. I said,

00:50:43.880 but I'm not going. And he goes, well, yeah, yeah. I mean, this is crazy. I said, I know you're a

00:50:49.980 Zionist and that's fine. You're entitled to your beliefs. I'm entitled to mine, but you can't force

00:50:53.660 me to believe what you believe. This is a religious liberty commission. We should all be diverse.

00:50:58.980 We shouldn't all be the same. Right, Eric? Yeah, right. So then Brittany comes back and she goes,

00:51:03.480 okay, Dan said Samira can come. So I'm going to bring Samira up. I said, great. I'd like a witness

00:51:08.400 there. So she was bringing Samira up and I looked at Eric and I go, hey, I go, do you mind coming

00:51:13.140 with me? I said, you remind me a lot of my dad. And my dad passed away a couple of years ago. I

00:51:17.720 said, I would really appreciate it if you would come with me so I don't have to come alone. And

00:51:21.700 he goes, well, do I have to? And I go, yeah, I'd like you to. Man up and come with me. So he came

00:51:28.140 with me. So it's me, Eric, and Samir. We walk in, Ben Carson, Dan Patrick, Paula White, and Brittany

00:51:33.220 are in there. And right away, it was like heated. And Dan looks at me and he goes, how do you think

00:51:39.740 this Religious Liberty Commission has been going, Carrie? I said, it's been going great. I've really

00:51:45.320 enjoyed being on this commission. And he goes, well, I just want to know, what are you going to

00:51:52.900 say today? Yeah. Yeah. And I go, what am I going to say today? What are you going to say today,

00:51:59.460 Dan? Are we going to talk about a foreign country? Because whatever you're going to say,

00:52:05.040 I'm going to say. So if you're going to talk about Israel, I'm going to talk about Gaza.

00:52:09.940 okay?

00:52:15.080 I'm literally talking to these politicians

00:52:17.060 like they're five-year-olds,

00:52:18.560 like they're my kids.

00:52:19.500 I'm like, 1.00

00:52:19.980 you guys can't be this dumb. 1.00

00:52:22.360 Like, I know you think I'm dumb, 1.00

00:52:23.900 but I'm not. 0.96

00:52:25.040 I'm smarter than I look, I guess. 0.99

00:52:28.420 You guys thought I was dumb. 0.99

00:52:29.820 You thought I was just going to be on this commission 0.99

00:52:31.360 and play along to get along.

00:52:33.200 Yeah, the beauty queen. 0.96

00:52:34.160 We can boss her around. 1.00

00:52:34.940 Yeah, we can boss the dumb blonde around. 1.00

00:52:36.720 Throw her around. 1.00

00:52:37.820 Tell her what to do. 0.77

00:52:38.620 Nobody else.

00:52:40.300 Yeah, so it got very heated.

00:52:41.740 So what did he say when you said that?

00:52:44.500 He goes, well, I mean, you posted yesterday at the airplane.

00:52:48.960 They're tracking every move I make, and they're seeing everything I post, which is good.

00:52:52.860 I did that on purpose.

00:52:53.720 Why do they care?

00:52:54.620 You've got one commissioner who's not on the program.

00:52:57.920 Like, why is that a problem?

00:52:58.820 They're obsessed with me.

00:53:00.120 I don't know.

00:53:00.960 So he goes, and Brittany Baldwin is in the corner, and she goes, yeah, I can pull it up. 0.99

00:53:05.340 Here it is.

00:53:05.820 you posted that you are so proud to serve on this Religious Liberty Commission

00:53:10.260 and something about you're not going to be bullied by the Zionist supremacists.

00:53:14.680 And you posted a free Palestine hashtag.

00:53:20.100 I literally started laughing. 1.00

00:53:21.640 I go, you guys are ridiculous. 0.99

00:53:24.240 I said, this is a hearing on anti-Semitism. 0.99

00:53:26.560 And I said, and by the way,

00:53:28.360 did you accept any of my witnesses that I recommended, Dan?

00:53:32.580 Brittany, Ben, Paula?

00:53:34.920 Did you accept them?

00:53:37.180 No.

00:53:38.740 Why not?

00:53:40.980 Why not?

00:53:41.660 They're Jewish Americans that are facing anti-Semitism.

00:53:44.600 Oh, you don't want them because they're not Zionists? 1.00

00:53:46.360 Because they don't believe what you believe about Israel?

00:53:48.740 They've been fighting against Zionism for 40 years? 0.60

00:53:51.320 You don't want people like that? 0.99

00:53:53.380 Oh, I got mad.

00:53:56.180 But I kept my cool.

00:53:58.440 They didn't know what to say.

00:54:00.560 And they go, well, you had reposted something saying that we weren't accepting.

00:54:04.280 I said, yeah, you weren't accepting any of my witnesses.

00:54:06.780 You accepted none of them.

00:54:08.220 And thank God, Kelly Shackelford gave me the witness list

00:54:11.660 so I knew who was speaking today.

00:54:15.080 I said, you guys didn't even send me the list of the speakers.

00:54:18.180 You guys did that on purpose, didn't you?

00:54:20.800 I called them all out by name.

00:54:23.040 And then I look over at Eric and I go,

00:54:24.480 Eric, by the way, while we're here,

00:54:26.300 I said, were you told that you can't post on social media

00:54:29.080 or was it just me, Paula?

00:54:30.660 Did you have to get your post run through Paula?

00:54:34.280 in order to post and use your private social media page?

00:54:38.720 Or did you only tell me, Paula?

00:54:41.320 I said, the audacity that it takes.

00:54:44.180 I said, thank God I know my rights.

00:54:46.120 You don't control me.

00:54:48.360 And I said, Paula, wait till the public finds out about this.

00:54:51.540 They're not going to be happy with you.

00:54:53.320 You tried to censor me

00:54:54.360 while serving on a religious liberty commission.

00:54:56.720 You tried to force me to believe what you believe.

00:55:00.180 You forced me to adopt your religion 1.00

00:55:02.720 and I won't do it. And that's why you're angry. And then Dan got really weird. And he's like,

00:55:08.440 well, you've been posting about Charlie Kirk. It was so weird.

00:55:12.060 Oh, they didn't like it when you posted about Charlie Kirk.

00:55:13.900 No. They said, you've been questioning, you know, who assassinated him. I go, oh,

00:55:17.820 wow. God forbid I question anything. I have to be a robot, right, Dan?

00:55:24.040 No one's been convicted.

00:55:25.640 Right. That's what I said. I said, this is an ongoing investigation. I have every right.

00:55:29.940 And moreover, I don't think this kind of behavior puts people's concerns to rest.

00:55:34.480 It was very odd.

00:55:35.440 It was very odd.

00:55:35.840 Ruthlessness, cruelty, single-minded devotion to like some weird culty cause.

00:55:42.940 Like that doesn't make me feel better at all. 0.99

00:55:46.000 Yeah, shut up and obey. 0.99

00:55:47.100 Yeah. 0.97

00:55:48.540 But they didn't like that, huh?

00:55:50.180 No, because I don't obey them.

00:55:53.740 They don't like that.

00:55:55.380 Oh, I'm trying not to get.

00:55:57.040 Okay, so wow.

00:55:59.040 So how is this resolved?

00:56:00.580 Yeah, so the meeting was supposed to start at,

00:56:02.460 I think it was supposed to start at 8.30 or 9.

00:56:04.440 It ended up being late.

00:56:05.820 Like the hearing started late

00:56:06.880 because it was this heated

00:56:08.100 and Ben Carson's sitting there half asleep.

00:56:11.060 I'm like, come on, Ben.

00:56:12.280 Like, what are you doing?

00:56:14.280 Stand up and speak up for me.

00:56:16.620 You know, I'm being literally attacked

00:56:18.220 by all these people.

00:56:19.520 Thank God Samira was with me

00:56:20.700 and she's so soft-spoken and sweet.

00:56:22.840 And she stood up and she's like,

00:56:24.120 you know, there's suffering going on in Gaza.

00:56:26.520 You guys realize that, right?

00:56:27.540 I'm one of the only Muslims on this commission.

00:56:29.820 Like, can you not just accept that?

00:56:32.120 Like, and then Eric was super rude to her.

00:56:34.120 He's like, who are you and why are you here?

00:56:35.700 It was so disrespectful.

00:56:37.120 Felt so bad for her.

00:56:39.040 So is Eric Metaxas's position that there's no suffering in Gaza

00:56:42.880 or that it's immoral to talk about it?

00:56:44.620 Well, it's of course justified

00:56:45.700 because we're trained that no Muslim is worth defending, right? 1.00

00:56:51.020 How is that a Christian perspective?

00:56:52.940 Yeah, it's not.

00:56:54.420 It's not a Christian perspective.

00:56:56.580 And I feel I was the only one living out my Christian faith saying, wait a second, there's

00:57:02.540 suffering in Gaza. There's a genocide happening. There's a Holocaust happening. Why am I not 0.82

00:57:07.700 allowed to post about it? Oh, because it goes against the president. And your job is to protect

00:57:12.920 the president. And Dan did say that again in the intervention hearing, I remember. He said,

00:57:19.180 you know, you're just saying things that go against the president. And to serve on this

00:57:22.700 commission is a privilege it's a privilege and you're abusing that privilege ultimately is what

00:57:30.440 he said as i've said i know everybody almost everybody uh in the room and i mean i like

00:57:36.220 everybody just as a default uh so it's so distressing to hear this it's so distressing

00:57:42.180 to hear this shocking to me yeah changes how i view a lot of these people many of them are owned

00:57:48.100 unfortunately that's obvious um and there's also clearly some there's a supernatural quality to

00:57:53.600 this i mean you can't pay most people enough to defend the murder of children so i do think

00:58:00.000 there's a way in which they're under a spell i know it's so sad you know and and i will say

00:58:05.440 of eric metaxas who wrote a very long book celebrating martin luther not a zionist yeah

00:58:11.940 Martin Luther, the author of On the Jews and Their Lies.

00:58:16.360 And so it's a little weird.

00:58:17.960 I don't know.

00:58:19.000 Speaking of anti-Semitism.

00:58:20.760 I mean, what?

00:58:22.520 Yeah.

00:58:23.180 But anyway, whatever.

00:58:24.240 I don't want to get in the weeds.

00:58:25.020 Okay.

00:58:25.240 So the point of this was to get you within boundaries before the hearing opened, but

00:58:32.820 that didn't work.

00:58:33.760 No.

00:58:34.800 So then what happened in the hearing?

00:58:36.280 So imagine I'm now like, I mean, the anger that I had, I can't even describe because this has been building for months now. And so it was, it was at an all time high. And so when we left the meeting, went on stage, I'm like shaking. I'm like shaking. I could cry. I could scream. Like, I'm just like, and I just, I just prayed and I'm like, okay, Lord, like I need to just stay calm.

00:59:04.700 I have to get through this hearing.

00:59:06.100 This is a five-hour hearing, and I got to get through it.

00:59:08.560 And I need to be poised.

00:59:10.800 I need to be respectful.

00:59:12.220 I can't let my anger get to me.

00:59:14.200 And I have to remain a Christian during this hearing.

00:59:17.220 I cannot give them a reason to say you're not a Christian.

00:59:20.600 And so it just started.

00:59:22.380 Thank you.

00:59:23.040 Thank you for doing that.

00:59:25.200 Thank you.

00:59:26.740 Thank you.

00:59:27.360 Again, as I said at the outset, people get, this has happened to me like a thousand times,

00:59:31.600 you just get so mad that you say something cruel. You overstate what you believe. You get personal.

00:59:38.220 You're not a good representative of the faith at all. You become a terrible representative because

00:59:43.420 you get angry. And it's been a constant struggle for me my whole life. And I usually fail. That's

00:59:50.600 why, again, I was just amazed by your testimony because it was so controlled. You kept control,

00:59:56.660 which is essential man you succeeded so then okay what happened you go into the room and what

01:00:02.080 happened yeah so i go into the room and then you know they bring out the witnesses the first

01:00:05.740 witnesses and you know it goes one after the other after the other and then it opens up to

01:00:10.180 the commissioners to ask questions and so right away i'm thinking okay so this guy said you know

01:00:16.480 i was i faced you know anti-semitism on a college campus okay i'm genuinely sorry that you experienced

01:00:24.440 that. And I voiced that. I said, can we say that what happened to you is wrong, but then also say

01:00:31.580 that the students who are peacefully protesting on these college campuses have every right to do

01:00:38.100 that because they're protesting the killing of over 70,000 innocent civilians in Gaza.

01:00:44.280 Can we not say the two things are wrong? Can we not say, yes, what you experienced as a Jewish

01:00:49.920 person not being able to, you know, access your classroom or whatever his situation was. I forget

01:00:55.560 what it was. Something like that. He ended up suing, I think, and winning. So, you know, good

01:01:01.200 for him. So whatever he experienced was true anti-Semitism, I guess. But then also, can you

01:01:06.680 say that what's going on in Gaza is wrong? And he was like, no, no, no, no, no. No, there's no

01:01:14.560 genocide in Gaza. The genocide was on October 7th. And I'm thinking, these people are so

01:01:21.860 lost. How can you not say that killing 70,000 innocent civilians is wrong? Just say it's wrong.

01:01:30.220 Because you don't believe in universal principles. You don't believe that every person was created by

01:01:34.060 God and has inherent worth. Some people are valuable and others are not. I mean, that's

01:01:42.060 Where that comes from, is that?

01:01:43.940 Yeah, they're superior.

01:01:45.760 Yeah, so I just reject that as a Christian, period. 0.95

01:01:47.880 I do too.

01:01:48.320 Period.

01:01:48.800 I don't think Christian life is more valuable 0.99

01:01:51.640 than a Jewish life or a Muslim life or a Hindu life.

01:01:54.400 I just don't think that.

01:01:55.660 Yeah.

01:01:56.520 So it started there.

01:01:57.540 So you said that and this witness.

01:02:00.380 Yeah.

01:02:00.680 Do you remember who it was?

01:02:01.400 Yeah, Shabbos Kestenbaum.

01:02:03.120 He was one of them.

01:02:04.140 I don't remember the other names,

01:02:05.220 but he was the one that said,

01:02:06.400 oh no, there's no genocide at Gaza.

01:02:07.920 The genocide was on October 7th.

01:02:09.440 that's when I knew this hearing was going to get intense

01:02:15.460 because this hearing was on anti-Semitism.

01:02:19.600 And then I realized, well, we have to define the terms.

01:02:22.420 What is anti-Semitism?

01:02:24.780 So I quoted IHRA definition.

01:02:28.440 I said, you know, if by saying the Jews killed Jesus,

01:02:32.420 that is, according to IHRA, definition of anti-Semitism.

01:02:37.020 So one of the pastors who was testifying

01:02:39.380 I said, does it concern you?

01:02:41.340 Does it concern you as a pastor

01:02:42.940 that certain parts of the Bible

01:02:44.140 are going to be considered hate speech?

01:02:45.180 The Christian parts, yeah. 0.96

01:02:47.160 And he goes, well, the Jews did kill Jesus. 0.76

01:02:49.560 And I said, do you realize

01:02:51.240 you're making an anti-Semitic statement right now,

01:02:53.280 Mr. Pastor?

01:02:56.600 This is the cognitive dissonance

01:02:58.740 that these people have.

01:02:59.680 They don't even know what the,

01:03:01.620 I mean, an IHRA is a pretty broad definition

01:03:05.120 across most states.

01:03:07.440 So it's pretty serious.

01:03:08.900 um and so i was starting to think okay so is it is equating criticism of israel being a jew hater

01:03:16.760 so i said is anti-zionism anti-semitism because i'm not a zionist that has nothing to do with

01:03:25.580 someone's right to exist as a human being of course everybody has a right to exist by god

01:03:32.540 but anti-zionism is anti-semitism and i pressed him and i said yes or no yes or no on the record

01:03:38.540 And he said, yes. And I was shocked. I was shocked. I was so disappointed that all the commissioners with big titles, big degrees, they didn't chime in and say, wait a second. Anti-political ideology doesn't make you a Jew hater. That's what I'm disappointed in.

01:04:01.600 Well, the definition is inherently an attack on Christianity.

01:04:05.740 Yeah.

01:04:06.620 That, I mean, by definition, if you write a definition that would ban the New Testament,

01:04:17.040 then it's an anti-Christian document, but I guess it's been adopted by various states.

01:04:23.060 Yeah, that's the scary part.

01:04:25.400 That's the scary part.

01:04:26.120 In this state right now, in Florida, right now, that's what's scary.

01:04:31.100 I never thought being in California, I was more free than people that live in Florida,

01:04:35.400 but this is where it's going. It's very dangerous. And I was the only Christian

01:04:40.000 that was willing, the youngest person in that room, I'm just a dumb, blonde pageant girl. Who 1.00

01:04:46.260 am I? What do I know? No, it's common sense. Wait a second. You're saying that if I don't believe

01:04:55.480 that 1948 Israel, and I said this, people can verify. I don't believe as a Catholic that 1948,

01:05:03.640 the modern state of Israel has any biblical fulfillment prophecy at all, meaning at all.

01:05:10.820 I don't believe that. And I have a right not to believe that. I don't believe that.

01:05:15.780 Why are you forcing me to believe that? Shut up, you anti-Semite. That's what I got back. 1.00

01:05:21.740 You're a hateful bigot if you don't believe that. 0.91

01:05:24.560 I was disobedient to them.

01:05:27.460 And that's all I was doing was asking questions.

01:05:29.860 And the logical conclusion of what they were saying is, yes, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

01:05:35.980 And I quoted the rabbi who didn't get to come that was denied.

01:05:40.040 I quoted him.

01:05:41.420 And he's been speaking out about Zionism for 40 years.

01:05:44.940 He said, so are you calling me a Jewish rabbi and anti-Semite now?

01:05:48.040 Is that where we're going with this?

01:05:49.580 So a Jewish rabbi is an anti-Semite now, according to their definition.

01:05:52.900 This is at a religious liberty commission hearing from the president.

01:05:57.420 And nobody chimed in and said, wait a second, I have a problem with that.

01:06:01.060 That's dangerous.

01:06:01.980 Let's not say that.

01:06:04.260 So a Jewish rabbi is being called an anti-Semite.

01:06:07.100 And then I said, I'm a Catholic.

01:06:08.500 I don't believe 1948 political state of Israel has any biblical prophecy fulfillment meaning at all.

01:06:15.500 So does that make me an anti-Semite?

01:06:16.740 Are all Catholics anti-Semites, according to you?

01:06:18.920 And essentially, it was yes.

01:06:23.080 The tape is almost unbelievable.

01:06:25.860 I'm so glad that you forced this, and I'm so glad that you revealed these people for who they really are.

01:06:31.620 This isn't a minor doctrinal point.

01:06:33.820 This is like the very center of the question of religious liberty.

01:06:38.520 Yes.

01:06:39.280 If you're not allowed to believe that, then you don't have religious liberty, then the First Amendment isn't real.

01:06:45.220 And it also, this is an attack on traditional Christianity.

01:06:49.440 So it has to be defended by Christian leaders. 0.50

01:06:51.620 I think the right to believe what you say you believe, which is not hateful, of course, in the slightest.

01:06:56.780 No.

01:06:57.040 It is inconvenient if you want to use American troops to fight Israel's wars. 0.58

01:07:02.220 What kind of response did you get from the other commissioners at this?

01:07:05.600 After?

01:07:06.420 During?

01:07:07.840 A lot of them just stayed silent.

01:07:09.940 They were too afraid, I think.

01:07:11.960 Did a single one of the other 11 rise to defend your right to say what you were saying?

01:07:16.960 Oh, of course not.

01:07:17.720 No, they have all corporations to protect and businesses protect and, you know, big donors to please.

01:07:24.600 So why would they?

01:07:26.000 I was literally the only free person on that stage.

01:07:29.380 The mom in California.

01:07:30.420 How did it end?

01:07:32.700 It ended with, there was a guy in the audience that kept heckling and I eventually looked over at Dan.

01:07:38.360 I said, he needs to be removed.

01:07:39.920 like this is you know heckling you yeah he kept heckling me that's you know yelling things at me

01:07:45.940 booing me there was a lot of um and i noticed there was a lot of jewish rabbis in the audience

01:07:51.180 i don't know there wasn't a lot of people in the audience normally it's filled because anybody can

01:07:55.060 go right um but there was a lot of boos every time i would say i'm a catholic boo and it was very

01:08:01.460 hostile and it was i felt like it was it was my voice wasn't welcome there obviously and then dan

01:08:09.240 had the audacity to interrupt me when I said,

01:08:12.920 so are you claiming that all Catholics

01:08:14.660 that are not Zionists are anti-Semites? 0.62

01:08:17.260 Is that what you're saying?

01:08:19.140 And he's like, well, I'm going to interrupt.

01:08:20.820 I'm going to interrupt right now, Kerry.

01:08:22.700 Why?

01:08:23.320 Why?

01:08:24.240 I said, this discussion is very important.

01:08:27.180 This is very important.

01:08:31.360 And what did he say?

01:08:33.380 He let us continue, and we were just going back and forth,

01:08:36.000 back and forth with these witnesses.

01:08:37.600 And I was very respectful.

01:08:39.240 very respectful. I didn't raise my voice. I didn't get angry. I laughed a few times,

01:08:45.800 told Sabos Kestenbaum that we should get coffee or, you know, we need to be having these discussions.

01:08:52.900 We need more speech, not less. They didn't want my voice. So after the hearing was over,

01:08:58.340 my priest was there. He came and watched and he was very proud of me. There was another

01:09:04.820 Orthodox priest there and he said, I'm so proud of you. I can't believe you did this. I said it

01:09:13.480 had to be done. It had to be done. What were the other commissioners like after the hearing?

01:09:18.740 I didn't speak to one of them and I haven't spoken to any of them since.

01:09:23.180 Really? Yeah.

01:09:26.180 So this immediately goes up on the internet. What's the next communication you have from

01:09:31.820 the White House for the commission. So I got a text the next day and it was from Dan Patrick.

01:09:38.880 He tried calling me, but I didn't answer. I thought I would just get it in writing. And he

01:09:44.040 said, I tried calling you, you know, your voicemail box is full. I'm letting you know

01:09:49.460 effective immediately that you have been removed from the Religious Liberty Commission.

01:09:54.260 Did he explain why?

01:10:01.820 I could, I honestly, I couldn't believe it.

01:10:07.060 I was like, back in 2009, I stood up for my faith

01:10:11.460 and now I'm doing the same thing.

01:10:12.940 This is what got me on this commission.

01:10:14.700 Why would I be removed?

01:10:16.720 What is going on?

01:10:17.740 This is the United States of America.

01:10:19.600 Haven't we made progress?

01:10:21.280 No.

01:10:21.700 Don't we have religious freedom in this country?

01:10:24.400 You can't express it honestly and respectfully and civilly.

01:10:29.280 Like what is going on?

01:10:31.820 I literally just cried when I got it.

01:10:34.400 I'm like, this is so sad for my children, for my grandchildren.

01:10:38.960 You can see where it's going too.

01:10:40.620 Yeah.

01:10:41.320 Yeah.

01:10:41.900 And so he said at the very end of the text, it was a short text, this is my decision.

01:10:46.180 The audacity, the audacity that he has to claim he has authority to make this, this

01:10:53.340 firing, this is my decision.

01:10:55.700 No, Dan, you're an equal to mine.

01:10:58.360 You have no authority.

01:10:59.200 I don't think Dan's making any of his own decisions in general.

01:11:02.640 None of those people are.

01:11:03.800 No, of course not.

01:11:04.800 It's my decision.

01:11:05.920 And I will say Bishop Barron and Cardinal Dolan were not there that day.

01:11:09.300 They were not at the hearing.

01:11:10.140 They were not at the hearing that day.

01:11:11.300 I would have loved for them to be there.

01:11:13.000 That would have been great.

01:11:14.560 So you, as I recall, because I was watching all this from afar, said, nope, can't remove me.

01:11:21.500 Yeah.

01:11:22.080 Because you didn't appoint me.

01:11:23.260 Nope.

01:11:23.480 I did a little investigating online and I researched, you know, how this commission was established and the executive order.

01:11:32.520 And I realized, wait a second, the only person that has the authority to remove me is the president himself.

01:11:39.360 Did you talk to Trump at any point?

01:11:40.720 No, I tried to get a phone call with him.

01:11:42.700 I tried to contact, you know, some of his family members that I'm close with.

01:11:46.880 I mean, I've been a friend of his for almost 20 years.

01:11:49.980 I've been to both inaugurations.

01:11:51.960 I mean, used to have his personal cell phone.

01:11:54.280 I'd call him.

01:11:55.180 I mean, we're buddies.

01:11:57.420 He was like a second father to me.

01:12:00.960 Nobody would respond back.

01:12:03.280 So Dan sent that text.

01:12:05.380 I sent a text back and I said,

01:12:08.120 you have no authority to remove me, Dan.

01:12:11.260 And then that was it.

01:12:14.360 Uh, I notice that a number of members of the commission began attacking you as an anti-Semite.

01:12:23.560 Mm-hmm.

01:12:25.140 Uh, who did that and what did they say?

01:12:27.660 Uh, Eric Metaxas did that.

01:12:30.620 Um, I think he called me, I don't remember the names that he called me, horrible names, but.

01:12:37.180 He called you names.

01:12:38.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:12:39.040 which was so sad to me because i'm like you were with me in that hearing you heard that i had to

01:12:46.680 vet everything through this like you know what they're doing to me is wrong yeah and you don't

01:12:51.340 have the courage to stand up for my religious freedom just do your job eric and then to call

01:12:56.220 you a bigot an anti-semit oh yeah yeah that's what they do though because once they say that

01:13:02.420 i know but everyone knows eric metaxas i mean that's like behavior um and i know that eric

01:13:08.480 has a lot of personal problems

01:13:09.680 and I assume

01:13:11.020 that's what this is about

01:13:12.100 but it's still

01:13:13.060 it's just one of the most

01:13:16.720 shocking things

01:13:17.220 I've ever seen

01:13:17.820 it's so sad

01:13:18.540 and he never called you

01:13:19.440 and said hey Carrie

01:13:20.120 I'm going to call you

01:13:20.620 an anti-semitor

01:13:21.220 let's talk about the views

01:13:22.640 that you have

01:13:23.140 that I believe are anti-semitic

01:13:24.360 let's talk this through

01:13:25.200 no

01:13:26.120 no

01:13:26.540 and Dan Patrick

01:13:27.680 didn't do that either

01:13:28.420 no

01:13:28.800 nope

01:13:30.200 they didn't want to have a dialogue

01:13:31.880 that is the most

01:13:32.800 disgraceful behavior

01:13:33.860 I can imagine

01:13:34.580 yeah

01:13:34.920 it really is

01:13:35.980 it really is

01:13:37.040 because out of all

01:13:38.080 the people that trump could have appointed for this position he appointed me and i i at first i

01:13:45.220 felt unqualified but now i feel i'm one of the most qualified because i am protecting religious

01:13:52.220 freedom even faiths that i don't hold firm to i'm protecting the jewish rabbi i'm protecting the

01:13:58.880 muslim woman on the commission her religious freedom and my own of course and the jewish

01:14:04.880 Zionist, by the way. Yeah. And everybody's.

01:14:06.980 You have every right not to. Because this is a universal principle

01:14:08.960 it applies to every human being.

01:14:10.900 It's not, and the reintroduction of identity

01:14:13.060 politics by this

01:14:15.120 administration is

01:14:16.940 the single saddest thing.

01:14:19.360 I think everyone

01:14:20.880 voted against it.

01:14:23.180 I think every person who voted for Trump was like,

01:14:25.380 well, not every person, but most people

01:14:27.080 are like, identity politics blows up

01:14:29.000 the country. It destroys any

01:14:30.800 cohesion. You start thinking about

01:14:32.880 everything in terms of my group.

01:14:34.880 And things fall apart, and the left has pushed that for 50 years, and now all of a sudden you've got Paula White and Dan Patrick and Eric Metaxas, of all people, pushing identity politics in a way that'll totally wreck the country.

01:14:48.620 Come on now.

01:14:49.140 I know.

01:14:50.200 And that degrades the Christian message into something unrecognizable and evil.

01:14:55.880 Yeah, that's what it is.

01:14:56.720 Oh, I know.

01:14:57.120 So did any member of the commission reach out to you, any of the other 11, to say, wow, you're not a Zionist, therefore you're an anti-Semite. 0.94

01:15:06.060 This is horrible.

01:15:07.120 I'm sorry we're on your side.

01:15:08.860 Not one.

01:15:09.560 Are you serious?

01:15:10.620 Not one.

01:15:11.780 No.

01:15:12.300 In fact, I reached out to a few of them who are friends of mine who I felt I could trust.

01:15:17.480 Kelly Shackelford I reached out to.

01:15:20.560 Cardinal Dolan.

01:15:21.900 Bishop Barron.

01:15:22.540 I reached out to Bishop Cordelioni in San Francisco

01:15:26.160 who's on the advisory board

01:15:27.520 and I said, hey

01:15:29.820 I feel like I'm a sheep surrounded by wolves

01:15:33.480 and I need a shepherd

01:15:34.560 can you help?

01:15:40.300 and

01:15:40.780 a lot of them, I think, Tucker

01:15:44.300 if I'm being honest, are too scared

01:15:46.400 did any, I know two of the three

01:15:48.960 I know Barron, whom I respect, is very smart

01:15:51.600 And I know Dolan, who's just a politician, but very charming, I'll say.

01:15:57.820 Dolan is very charming.

01:15:59.320 Who doesn't like Dolan?

01:16:00.140 Everyone likes Dolan.

01:16:02.320 But so I know two of the three, and they didn't speak up in your defense or in the defense of religious liberty?

01:16:07.080 No.

01:16:08.240 No, Bishop Barron, we were texting a little bit yesterday, and I said, I'm going on Tucker.

01:16:15.060 I know you're friends with Tucker.

01:16:16.080 I said, I would love to know, like, do you support the commission removing me from my religious freedom?

01:16:23.540 Or like, where do you stand, you know?

01:16:25.800 And he wrote me back and he was very nice.

01:16:27.920 And, you know, he agreed with my stance that we as Catholics don't have to believe in some, you know, prophecy fulfillment being fulfilled with 1948 Israel. 0.59

01:16:36.280 Like, that's literally what I said.

01:16:39.180 So I think he, I know he agrees with me.

01:16:41.260 I mean, it's, most Catholics agree with me.

01:16:44.660 But to include a political statement in the catechism, which is basically what they're trying to do, I have to believe in the modern secular state of Israel or I can't be a Christian.

01:16:54.780 Like, that's a foundational thing.

01:16:56.220 People have been martyred over less than that.

01:16:59.640 Like, no, this is my faith.

01:17:01.540 I'm not going to betray it.

01:17:02.520 And all of a sudden, you're being told that to be a Christian, you have to be a Zionist.

01:17:07.100 You have to be on board with a political program.

01:17:09.100 Oh, yeah.

01:17:09.340 And I must support a genocide. 0.96

01:17:11.320 That's a requirement, too.

01:17:12.520 and I cannot speak out about it

01:17:14.660 if I see it or hear about it.

01:17:16.640 I just got this from our producer.

01:17:19.280 So I just want to interrupt

01:17:20.620 your amazing story,

01:17:22.200 which I find so upsetting.

01:17:23.700 My heart is pounding.

01:17:26.040 This is a note I just got.

01:17:27.640 As we speak,

01:17:28.660 meaning right now

01:17:29.340 as we're doing this taping,

01:17:30.480 there's an anti-Semitism symposium

01:17:32.420 happening in D.C.

01:17:34.160 Ted Cruz, Tom Cotton,

01:17:35.500 and the rest of the usuals are speaking.

01:17:38.540 Dan Patrick was just on stage

01:17:40.080 attacking Carrie, you.

01:17:42.520 He said she was guilty of two things on the day of the Religious Liberties hearing.

01:17:46.200 First, he said any talk of Gaza is a political matter and has nothing to do with religion.

01:17:52.620 He says she was off base mentioning the war.

01:17:56.380 Two, he said it was unacceptable that she went against Seth Dillon when she denied his claim that Candace is anti-Semitic.

01:18:05.640 I want to go through these in just a second.

01:18:06.920 last line. Dan Patrick

01:18:09.060 bragged that he fired

01:18:10.920 Kerry and he got a round of

01:18:12.780 applause. Let me

01:18:14.880 just say, this is like

01:18:16.960 a description of the end stage of

01:18:18.820 something. This is the end

01:18:20.740 of Christian Zionism, this kind of behavior. 0.57

01:18:22.960 We'll look back on this. Like, every

01:18:24.860 one of these moral panics reaches its

01:18:26.700 full

01:18:28.580 fruition at a certain point where it's

01:18:30.520 peak crazy, I guess that's the phrase.

01:18:33.120 And it's like they're arresting

01:18:34.600 people for complimenting

01:18:36.480 you know a woman's dress like that was the kind of peak crazy of me too black lives matter like 1.00

01:18:43.180 kissing black people's feet or something it's like too nuts right yeah that's what this is 1.00

01:18:48.680 for christian zionism this is so bonkers that i think it's over that's just my guess okay 0.99

01:18:54.420 so let me just any talk of gaza is a political matter let me throw that to you what's your

01:19:00.940 response to that. Any talk of Gaza as a political matter? So why was this hearing? I actually

01:19:08.940 tallied how many times they talked about Israel, October 7th. I had to stop counting. So we were

01:19:15.100 talking about a foreign country. And I look over at Dan and I'm like, we're talking about a foreign

01:19:20.480 country. So what is this hearing about? Like, what is the purpose of this hearing? I thought it was

01:19:25.580 a hearing on true anti-Semitism in America.

01:19:29.540 But it was hijacked by Dan Patrick and Paula White

01:19:32.540 and whoever denied my four Jewish Americans

01:19:35.200 that weren't welcome to speak

01:19:36.520 because they're not Zionists.

01:19:37.720 It was hijacked by those people.

01:19:40.300 So what we're getting at is

01:19:42.600 if you criticize Israel,

01:19:45.320 you're done for. 0.99

01:19:47.360 They want to destroy you.

01:19:49.060 And if you dare to speak out about Gaza- 0.99

01:19:51.680 Like destroy you. 0.57

01:19:52.580 Oh yeah. 1.00

01:19:53.620 They want to kill you. 1.00

01:19:55.120 They want to kill you. 1.00

01:19:56.140 I got that. 1.00

01:19:56.760 Yeah.

01:19:57.300 I've had some things.

01:20:00.700 I'll just say-

01:20:01.080 Has Dan Patrick rushed to your defense?

01:20:02.540 Has Eric Metaxas rushed?

01:20:03.520 Oh, no.

01:20:04.560 No, no, no, no.

01:20:05.880 He's taking pride in his removal of Kerry.

01:20:09.620 So they're conflating.

01:20:11.780 I mean, I would be delighted to remove politics entirely from religion. 0.98

01:20:14.960 I believe strongly in separation of church and state because I don't want my faith to be corrupted by political leaders.

01:20:20.480 I don't want my religion to be political.

01:20:22.460 Jesus didn't spend any time

01:20:23.640 talking about politics.

01:20:24.640 They wanted him to come

01:20:25.560 and liberate Jerusalem

01:20:27.120 as a political leader.

01:20:28.140 He refused and rode in on a donkey

01:20:29.760 and then allowed himself

01:20:30.760 to be tortured to death.

01:20:31.780 So like, I'm with him. 0.95

01:20:33.540 Let's take the politics out.

01:20:35.040 But they're the ones

01:20:36.200 who conflate Christian faith

01:20:40.260 with a political agenda

01:20:41.900 of Bibi Netanyahu.

01:20:43.980 Yeah.

01:20:45.040 Yeah.

01:20:45.600 Who Bibi is basically an atheist, 0.99

01:20:47.940 I think, right?

01:20:49.140 I mean, I don't think

01:20:50.180 he's a religious person at all.

01:20:51.480 Well, he doesn't keep to Mosaic Law. We know that. There may be, you know, who knows?

01:20:57.280 Which I thought your interview with Mike Huckabee was amazing, by the way. It was very sad, though. Very sad.

01:21:05.620 Yeah, I think he felt that way, too. He's been attacking me ever since.

01:21:09.040 Okay, so then to the second point, Dan Patrick said it was unacceptable that you went against Seth Dillon when she denied his claim that Candace is anti-Semitic.

01:21:19.560 Like, who is Seth Dillon?

01:21:20.880 What is this exchange?

01:21:21.580 Why are they obsessed?

01:21:23.060 Actually, your name was mentioned at the hearing.

01:21:24.920 I don't know if you know that.

01:21:25.860 I didn't know.

01:21:26.460 Yeah.

01:21:27.540 Seth Dillon is the Babylon Bee guy.

01:21:30.400 So he was speaking on behalf of anti-Semitism.

01:21:33.820 He's a Christian, but... 0.68

01:21:35.820 Is he?

01:21:36.820 I guess.

01:21:37.500 I don't even know what Christianity means anymore.

01:21:40.660 If Christianity is defending a genocide in Gaza, that's scary.

01:21:45.300 Yeah, it's not my religion.

01:21:46.300 And so these people, they call themselves Christians. 0.91

01:21:51.440 I don't believe they are.

01:21:53.620 But Seth Dillon was on stage.

01:21:55.260 You can't defend the murder of innocents, period.

01:21:57.540 I don't care who they are.

01:21:58.880 I don't care what country.

01:21:59.840 I don't care if they're Palestinians or Jews. 0.99

01:22:01.680 Me too.

01:22:02.180 I don't think any faithful Christian would defend shooting up a rave in southern Israel. 1.00

01:22:08.260 That's disgusting. 0.99

01:22:09.200 As a Christian, October 7th, parts of it were disgusting. 1.00

01:22:12.440 Gaza is disgusting. 0.77

01:22:13.460 I mean, like, it's a principle that doesn't change over time. 0.97

01:22:18.140 You can't kill innocents.

01:22:19.760 And, like, if you think you can kill innocents, we're worshiping different gods.

01:22:23.620 Thank you.

01:22:24.580 That's exactly right.

01:22:26.280 We are.

01:22:27.260 I don't know what Christianity they're a part of.

01:22:30.560 I honestly don't.

01:22:32.040 You're getting me so worked up.

01:22:33.560 I was just saying, dear husband, I've done so many interviews in my life.

01:22:37.600 But this one is because I feel like this is foundational.

01:22:39.860 It is.

01:22:40.740 It is.

01:22:42.180 It's a grave injustice.

01:22:43.460 So Seth Dillon of the Babylon Bee, just for, I of course know Seth Dillon, but I just want to make sure people know who we're talking about. He runs a comedy site or something. But he has become, he's one of the people who tried to bully Charlie Kirk into kicking me off stage. He's a political enforcer. And you had an exchange with him. Can you describe it?

01:23:06.800 Yeah, I asked him to his face.

01:23:08.100 I said, you know, Charlie was being called,

01:23:09.660 since we're having a hearing on anti-Semitism,

01:23:12.000 Charlie Kirk was being called an anti-Semite.

01:23:13.780 I know.

01:23:14.720 And I asked him to his face, Seth Dillon,

01:23:16.700 I said, would you condemn that he was being called an anti-Semite?

01:23:21.380 I mean, Charlie wasn't an anti-Semite.

01:23:23.300 He was not.

01:23:24.660 And he got a little uncomfortable.

01:23:25.580 And neither am I.

01:23:26.400 And neither are you.

01:23:27.200 Neither am I.

01:23:27.640 These are slanders.

01:23:29.020 And Charlie was called an anti-Semite a lot.

01:23:31.820 Yeah.

01:23:32.100 And I talked to him about it a lot.

01:23:34.140 I know a lot about this topic.

01:23:35.260 I never talk about it, but I know a lot about it because I was at the center of it because the debate was, should he cancel me in my speech this December?

01:23:45.360 And he wouldn't.

01:23:46.580 And one of his last texts we've ever seen was about this exact question.

01:23:51.240 So, and Seth Dillon was one of the thugs trying to force Charlie.

01:23:58.640 You know that for a fact?

01:24:00.340 Of course.

01:24:01.440 Oh my gosh.

01:24:02.900 Yeah.

01:24:03.400 And so we're trying to force Charlie to cancel me and other things.

01:24:07.100 I just happened to be the guy that they were very, very focused on.

01:24:11.400 But so Seth Dillon is asked by you, would you condemn the attacks on Charlie Kirk as an anti-Semite?

01:24:19.180 Yeah.

01:24:19.360 And he said, yeah, Charlie wasn't an anti-Semite.

01:24:21.500 I said, I agree.

01:24:22.200 Thank you for saying that publicly.

01:24:24.380 And then I asked him about the Hamptons.

01:24:28.320 I said, we'll just go there.

01:24:30.080 I mean, we're already going there.

01:24:31.680 So let's just go there.

01:24:33.040 So what happened at the Hamptons?

01:24:34.920 And that was a meeting that Charlie had with, among many others, Seth Dillon.

01:24:40.780 I think Bill Ackman was there.

01:24:43.360 I think he paid for it.

01:24:44.440 I could be wrong here.

01:24:45.740 I'm no expert.

01:24:46.600 But I remember very well because Charlie came right to my house after that.

01:24:49.240 So we talked about it.

01:24:50.580 Wow.

01:24:51.260 And so what did he say?

01:24:55.500 He said that Charlie was making statements saying that you can't, I'm paraphrasing,

01:25:00.820 but that you can't criticize Israel.

01:25:03.780 You will be destroyed if you do.

01:25:07.720 By whom?

01:25:13.680 Have any of these people ever read the prophets

01:25:15.520 in what we call the Old Testament?

01:25:19.060 The Jewish prophets? 0.95

01:25:20.880 Talk about tough on Israel.

01:25:22.640 Holy smokes.

01:25:24.720 I read some of that stuff and I'm like,

01:25:26.480 give Israel a break, Isaiah.

01:25:28.200 Jeremiah, pull back a little bit.

01:25:29.860 You're pretty tough on Israel.

01:25:31.180 Do they ever notice that?

01:25:32.680 I mean, what is going on?

01:25:34.860 Yeah.

01:25:35.200 Sorry, excuse me.

01:25:35.900 No.

01:25:37.360 Okay, so.

01:25:39.120 And then he mentioned,

01:25:39.960 and then he called,

01:25:41.260 that's what it was.

01:25:41.900 So he called Candace an anti-Semite. 0.99

01:25:44.700 They're obsessed, Tucker.

01:25:46.740 They're obsessed with the label. 0.98

01:25:49.240 You're an anti-Semite.

01:25:50.400 As soon as they attach that to you, 0.98

01:25:52.540 you're done.

01:25:53.780 They shove you in the box.

01:25:55.300 So when Moses goes up a second time

01:25:56.820 to Mount Sinai and says to God, 0.99

01:25:58.040 please kill me. 1.00

01:25:58.760 these people are too annoying I can't deal with it 1.00

01:26:01.160 is that anti-Semitism

01:26:03.280 like what are they

01:26:05.680 what are you even talking about

01:26:06.960 yeah yeah they're obsessed with it

01:26:09.560 and so they brought up I think either I brought

01:26:11.620 up you oh yeah I'm not sure who

01:26:13.560 brought up you but I remember saying

01:26:15.360 you're obsessed with calling Candace

01:26:17.660 and Tucker anti-Semites

01:26:19.080 and it really has to stop

01:26:20.980 it really has to stop Seth

01:26:23.600 yeah

01:26:24.360 what did he say

01:26:26.520 he got very frustrated he got very uncomfortable he was squirmish he was very very frustrated

01:26:33.280 he's not a man at peace very uncomfortable yeah and then um after that was over we actually went

01:26:38.620 backstage and i had a probably like a 10 minute while everybody else was on stage still i went

01:26:44.440 to the bathroom and then i talked to him and we had a pretty good exchange i said are you jewish

01:26:49.880 and he goes no i'm a christian i said oh my gosh i thought you were i thought you were jewish

01:26:53.360 He goes, no.

01:26:53.940 I said, okay.

01:26:55.580 And I said, well, thank you for that dialogue out there.

01:26:57.480 I think it's very important.

01:26:58.620 You know, I said, Charlie was being called an anti-Semite

01:27:00.820 and I wanted to know about the Hamptons meeting.

01:27:03.400 I was told that, you know, they were bullying him.

01:27:05.760 And they certainly were bullying him.

01:27:07.200 Yeah.

01:27:07.620 And I said, thank you for clarifying that.

01:27:10.640 But since then, he keeps saying

01:27:12.960 that he wasn't one of the ones that was,

01:27:14.920 you know, bullying Charlie

01:27:17.440 or calling him an anti-Semite.

01:27:20.400 Or I asked him, I said, Seth,

01:27:21.900 who was morally blackmailing Charlie?

01:27:24.440 Who was it?

01:27:25.120 Just say the name or the names

01:27:27.140 of the people that were doing that.

01:27:28.740 Because Charlie was very upset on Megyn Kelly.

01:27:31.300 He said, they're morally blackmailing me.

01:27:33.800 They're calling me an anti-Semite,

01:27:35.620 attacking my character.

01:27:37.060 Who are these people?

01:27:37.980 I think we have a right to know.

01:27:39.720 Who are these thugs?

01:27:41.920 I talked to him about it many times.

01:27:44.220 And he was very upset about it.

01:27:46.160 And I've really tried not to use the memory of,

01:27:50.000 you know a dead friend to make a political point so a lot of other people have not restrained

01:27:54.480 themselves and they're constantly talking about my best friend Charlie and he thought this he

01:27:58.400 thought that but I know a lot about this topic of course because I was at the center of it because

01:28:01.800 it was my speech that they were mad about so I he was protecting your speech he certainly was

01:28:06.900 at great risk to himself and great risk he lost millions of dollars as he said because he refused

01:28:13.200 to cancel me so of course I know all that and I haven't gone on and on about it because I don't

01:28:18.000 like calling attention to myself. And I think there's something ugly about talking about someone

01:28:21.980 who can't speak up for himself once he's passed. I just don't like it. Because in my culture,

01:28:26.520 that's not acceptable. But it's just a lie. It's their lying. And I know that for a fact,

01:28:33.020 because he sat in my living room and told me about it. So like, stop lying. I can't deal with

01:28:38.520 it. And he was making me too mad. So now Dan Patrick is saying that because you wouldn't

01:28:45.440 denounce Candace as an anti-Semite,

01:28:47.780 you went too far.

01:28:48.500 So that's now in the Niacine Creed.

01:28:52.100 No, is it?

01:28:53.060 What did the Council of Nicaea add this part

01:28:55.300 kind of retroactively

01:28:56.280 where you have to denounce a podcaster

01:28:58.540 or you can't be a Christian

01:28:59.600 or serve on a religious liberty commission?

01:29:01.480 Like what is going on?

01:29:02.680 This is where we're at.

01:29:03.160 And you know this well.

01:29:04.960 They want to call you an anti-Semite.

01:29:08.020 And then once they put that on you

01:29:09.880 and shove you in that box. 0.90

01:29:11.280 Oh, I know.

01:29:11.740 They want everybody else

01:29:14.180 to come to the town square

01:29:15.740 and they want to watch you get publicly lynched

01:29:18.660 and then they want everybody around to denounce you.

01:29:24.160 And if they don't-

01:29:25.020 Repertory to you being arrested

01:29:26.120 because if it's against the law to have certain views

01:29:28.900 and they claim that you have those views,

01:29:31.620 you're in violation of the law.

01:29:33.260 Yeah.

01:29:34.140 So, I mean, let's be real.

01:29:35.480 This is like in Europe and in Canada

01:29:38.800 and Australia and New Zealand,

01:29:40.660 lots of people go to jail for having views that seth dylan doesn't like lots of people go to jail

01:29:47.620 a lot so it's not like this hasn't happened it's the law in europe it's the law in australia it's

01:29:54.120 the law in new zealand it's the law in canada we're in america yeah well this is insane i'm i'm

01:29:59.040 just saying lots of people go to prison over this but they're obsessed with getting everyone else

01:30:04.040 you've experienced this denounce tucker distance yourself call him an anti-semite agree with us or

01:30:09.720 else i'm so grateful to be old because i just don't care but i do care about the country

01:30:13.640 a lot and i see where this is going so they want you to denounce candace owens

01:30:19.180 yeah just like they want megan kelly to denounce candace owens oh i know but they don't own me

01:30:26.480 megan kelly who's like the most moderate person who's ever lived yeah megan kelly who really

01:30:32.220 likes israel and all her friends are jewish and like megan kelly is there's like no world in

01:30:38.140 which Megyn Kelly is an anti-Semite. 1.00

01:30:40.120 I don't even entertain the idea.

01:30:41.660 I don't even say, I'm not an anti-Semite.

01:30:44.680 Like, I'm so sick of that.

01:30:46.260 I've been through this before 0.64

01:30:47.460 with the whole gay marriage thing. 1.00

01:30:48.880 You're a bigot. 1.00

01:30:49.940 You're a homophobe. 1.00

01:30:51.980 Call me whatever you want. 0.99

01:30:53.100 I'm just a Christian, okay?

01:30:54.660 And if being a Christian now is an anti-Semite,

01:30:58.100 that's what I have a problem with.

01:30:59.260 Well, that's the whole point.

01:31:00.200 That's the whole point.

01:31:01.300 That's the whole point.

01:31:02.180 Being a sincere Christian,

01:31:05.600 a New Testament believing Christian

01:31:07.300 makes you an anti-Semite.

01:31:08.700 Therefore, we can't have Christianity 1.00

01:31:10.600 because that's the real enemy, of course.

01:31:14.300 So, okay, you come out and you say,

01:31:19.640 after Dan Patrick fires you,

01:31:21.560 fires you, hey, Dan Patrick, you can't fire me

01:31:24.280 because you didn't appoint me.

01:31:25.340 This is a presidential appointment

01:31:26.660 and the president hasn't weighed in.

01:31:28.480 So where are we now on that question?

01:31:30.960 Good question.

01:31:31.800 So I hadn't been on X in years.

01:31:36.460 So I got on X after this all happened.

01:31:39.620 Did that improve your life a lot, Carrie?

01:31:41.760 That's been interesting.

01:31:43.900 So I've been posting, obviously, how sad I have to defend myself against this insanity.

01:31:50.240 So the other day, it was recently, it was about a week ago, I went on and I was looking

01:31:54.440 for Mary, the designated federal officer.

01:31:59.180 I wanted to look at an old email that I had sent her.

01:32:01.680 So I typed in my mail, Mary.

01:32:05.400 Well, all of a sudden, a Mary Sproul popped up, an email from Mary Sproul.

01:32:09.620 And I thought, well, that name sounds familiar.

01:32:12.820 That's the woman back in August who tried to get me to resign. 1.00

01:32:17.480 I go, what is she emailing me about?

01:32:20.640 She sent it on February 12th.

01:32:23.340 The hearing was on the 9th.

01:32:25.320 So just a few days after, I think I sent the Dan Patrick,

01:32:28.400 you don't have the authority to remove me on the 11th.

01:32:30.820 So she sent it the next day, but I hadn't gotten it.

01:32:34.500 It must have gone to like spam or some junk mail.

01:32:37.580 So I never got it.

01:32:38.540 I would have never seen it had I not looked for Mary,

01:32:41.160 the designated federal officer, Mary Margaret.

01:32:44.220 So it comes up and it says,

01:32:47.100 on behalf of the president of the United States,

01:32:50.520 I'm emailing you to let you know

01:32:52.420 that you have been removed

01:32:53.800 from the Religious Liberty Commission effective immediately.

01:32:57.060 Thank you for your service.

01:32:59.300 Mary Sproul.

01:33:02.980 It's really dark.

01:33:04.280 Yeah.

01:33:04.840 Have you talked to Trump?

01:33:06.160 No.

01:33:07.120 I reached out to-

01:33:08.220 And was there any explanation?

01:33:09.540 No explanation.

01:33:10.600 So I wrote her back and I said,

01:33:13.120 oh, Mary Sproul, you're the same Mary

01:33:15.920 that tried to get me to step down, resign in August.

01:33:19.900 I left out a very important part, Tucker.

01:33:22.540 This is good.

01:33:24.020 At the first hearing, the president was there.

01:33:27.460 Trump was there at the first hearing.

01:33:29.400 Remember, Mary called me to get me to resign

01:33:31.180 and then I didn't.

01:33:32.280 Well, I saw the president.

01:33:34.040 and we got to spend some time with him before the hearing.

01:33:37.460 So we were shaking his hand, and he looks at me in the eyes,

01:33:40.900 and he goes, hey, Carrie, he goes, I want you to know something.

01:33:44.460 He goes, I took care of it.

01:33:46.560 And he goes, you know what I'm talking about, right?

01:33:48.460 He said that?

01:33:49.140 He said that.

01:33:50.100 And I said, yes, Mr. President, I know what you're talking about.

01:33:53.120 Thank you so much.

01:33:54.580 And he goes, I know the real you.

01:33:57.760 I know the real you.

01:33:59.400 And basically, he told him to leave me alone.

01:34:01.680 I thought that was incredible

01:34:05.180 I mean he was doing the right thing 0.62

01:34:06.840 How can you kick a religious person 1.00

01:34:08.740 Off a religious commission 0.94

01:34:09.740 This was in August

01:34:10.820 So he had my back

01:34:13.100 So I thought oh I'm good

01:34:14.300 He doesn't support them trying to kick me off

01:34:18.300 So when I got this email a week ago

01:34:20.720 From Mary Sproul

01:34:21.400 I said you tried to remove me in August

01:34:24.040 And the president vetoed

01:34:26.240 Your attempt to remove me

01:34:28.360 So I don't really

01:34:30.640 take you serious? But maybe she is a legitimate person, spokesperson for the president. But I

01:34:36.960 would think that the president would actually send a letter removing me if this was actually

01:34:41.860 his decision. And I was told from someone very high up in the White House that they spoke to

01:34:47.500 him on the phone and he was wrestling with this. He's like, what do I do? Dan's saying this and

01:34:54.040 I really like Kerry. And so I don't know. I honestly don't know. Have you heard from the

01:35:00.080 commission since then no have there been more hearings the hearing is coming up uh next monday

01:35:06.620 and you've not been invited no and it makes me sad because that's the hearing on religious

01:35:13.700 freedom and health care all the mothers that don't want to vaccinate their kids 0.99

01:35:16.880 has any to this day so we're in the second week of march as we're taping this has any member of

01:35:25.300 the commission spoken up in your defense? No. Not one? Not one. What about Bishop Barron and

01:35:34.180 Cardinal Jolin? I tried to get them to make a public statement about it, but I don't think

01:35:39.540 they want to be involved. Why? I don't think they want to be called an anti-Semite because they're

01:35:45.480 speaking out for someone who was called an anti-Semite. That's where we're at. But the

01:35:49.740 principle at stake here and i and i like i respect baron for sure i do too um he's very smart like

01:35:57.680 actually very smart but the principle at stake is a doctrinal principle it would seem to me

01:36:03.980 and so your core position is that being a zionist signing on to the zionist project is not a

01:36:11.660 prerequisite for being a christian it's not part of the nicene creed actually and you were fired

01:36:18.040 for saying this, that's your real crime.

01:36:21.020 And I would think that any theologian

01:36:24.420 or Christian leader,

01:36:26.760 really any Christian would want to just pipe up 1.00

01:36:28.900 and say, you know, maybe I love Bibi.

01:36:31.700 Maybe I love what he's done in Gaza.

01:36:33.600 Yeah.

01:36:33.980 But like as a point of fact,

01:36:36.220 you don't need to sign on to a political program

01:36:39.400 in order to be a Christian.

01:36:40.800 Yeah.

01:36:41.100 And to serve on a religious liberty commission.

01:36:42.880 Of course.

01:36:43.280 That's like basic.

01:36:44.900 But no one will say that.

01:36:46.240 No, no.

01:36:47.120 And Bishop Cordiglione, I love him, and I respect all of them, Cardinal Dolan, Bishop Barron.

01:36:55.280 But no, they don't want to make a public statement about this, I believe.

01:37:01.080 That's really revealing and sad to see that.

01:37:05.240 It is sad.

01:37:05.780 It is sad.

01:37:06.560 But, you know, I can handle it, I guess.

01:37:10.020 I'm, you know, a 38-year-old mom.

01:37:11.780 But you can't allow non-Christians to determine what Christian doctrine is. 0.91

01:37:17.560 Right, exactly.

01:37:18.380 Which is what happened during Vatican II, in point of fact.

01:37:21.320 I say that as a non-Catholic, I shouldn't even get involved. 0.91

01:37:23.120 But that's literally what happened.

01:37:25.080 Non-Christians are like, oh, you're not allowed to believe that. 1.00

01:37:26.840 So they changed Christian doctrine.

01:37:30.300 And I just think that is...

01:37:33.840 Well, it's dangerous. It's very dangerous.

01:37:35.280 Well, yeah, you're supposed to be trying to emulate Jesus,

01:37:39.880 who paid with his life for disagreeing with temporal authorities.

01:37:43.500 and you're supposed to be representing Jesus's word on earth.

01:37:50.820 So like, the stakes are really high.

01:37:52.980 So why not just come out and say she has every right to stand up for her religious beliefs

01:37:59.560 and she shouldn't be removed.

01:38:01.140 Just say that.

01:38:02.460 She shouldn't be removed for her religious convictions.

01:38:05.920 Shouldn't every commissioner believe that if they're actually doing their job?

01:38:10.880 Why am I the only one doing my actual job?

01:38:13.500 which is to protect religious freedom for all religions.

01:38:17.320 It's very disappointing.

01:38:19.340 And I think a lot of these commissioners are on this to have access,

01:38:24.400 because let's be honest,

01:38:25.400 you feel cool being invited places, the fancy invites.

01:38:29.820 Oh, I'm going to the White House.

01:38:31.840 But I've said over and over again, 0.92

01:38:34.480 I would rather die.

01:38:35.680 I would rather die than deny my faith.

01:38:38.920 And I'm standing up for my faith by doing this,

01:38:41.800 because I will not submit to a country 0.96

01:38:45.380 that is committing genocide in Gaza, full stop.

01:38:49.980 That is the fact.

01:38:52.340 And they want me to deny my eyes

01:38:54.500 and deny what I've seen

01:38:56.660 and what I know in my heart as a Christian.

01:38:59.920 I cannot do that. 0.88

01:39:02.280 I would rather die.

01:39:04.620 Well, that's one of the most disappointing stories

01:39:07.200 I've ever heard.

01:39:08.340 And it hits me especially hard again

01:39:09.680 because I know most of the people involved.

01:39:11.800 um and like a bunch of them uh so that's really really sad tell us about the reaction to this

01:39:18.680 hearing outside of the religious liberty commission like how have other people responded

01:39:25.640 to this is anyone on your side amazing okay it's been amazing so catholics for catholics uh do you

01:39:31.720 know john yep the president of catholics he actually helped trump get the catholic vote in

01:39:37.840 2024 they've done amazing for the catholic um you know for politics in general and um so they

01:39:46.000 came out right away and it was beautiful tucker and they said we are inviting carrie to washington

01:39:52.240 dc and we're giving her the catholic champion award

01:39:55.700 one of this one of the attacks on you and i think i i saw it from people on the commission is

01:40:09.040 you're not really a catholic because you just converted catholicism so like how dare you speak

01:40:13.220 for catholics yeah seem pretty low thing to say about someone very very very low and i'm not

01:40:21.720 misremembering that. No, that's exactly right. They're questioning how long I've been a Catholic.

01:40:30.360 But what's crazy, Tucker, is that I left, I used to be a Zionist. I used to be a dispensational 0.66

01:40:36.920 Christian for my entire life. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I went to the evangelical,

01:40:41.440 Paula White type of churches my entire life. Oh, wow. And I started studying about dispensationalism

01:40:47.240 and I was thinking, wait a second, how can they just interpret scripture however they want,

01:40:51.400 twist it, manipulate it, and say, those who bless Israel will be blessed, Bibi. Those who bless Bibi

01:40:58.060 will be blessed. And if you don't bless Bibi, you're going to be cursed, according to Lindsey

01:41:01.560 Graham. I started thinking, this is insane. So I started studying the early church fathers,

01:41:07.280 and I started studying, you know, what they taught. And it led me to the Catholic church,

01:41:12.860 literally, like learning about dispensationalism led me to the early church fathers, and then I

01:41:18.780 became Catholic. And so I'm not an idiot. I know what the Catholic Church teaches. 0.95

01:41:26.600 We are the new Israel. That's what the church teaches. We are the fulfillment of the old 0.96

01:41:32.880 Israel. I mean, look at Jesus fulfilled it all on the cross. When he said, it is finished,

01:41:39.920 the old was completely done. There is the new covenant now. Those who are in Christ,

01:41:45.300 that is the new people of God. It is very clear. This isn't even debatable. I don't even know why

01:41:51.380 we're having this debate, which is why Bishop Barron and Cardinal Dolan should be like, yeah,

01:41:55.760 it's what we believe. We are the new Israel. The land means nothing anymore. Yes, it's the

01:42:04.100 holy land, but that's not some biblical—what are they going to—what's scary, Tucker, is these

01:42:08.600 people like Paula White and Ted Cruz and Dan Patrick, they believe that there will be—the

01:42:12.720 dome of the rock will be torn down and they will rebuild that third temple. They're saying it now.

01:42:17.320 Look at Pete Hexeth. There will be a rebuilding of this temple. It is heretical and it is 0.99

01:42:23.160 anti-Christian. I know that. Because they're going to bring in the animal sacrifices again. 0.99

01:42:28.960 And the most anti-Semitic thing that they believe is that two-thirds of the Jews are going to be 0.98

01:42:33.000 slaughtered. That's what these people believe. They're just manipulating them and using them. 0.96

01:42:38.460 They don't really care.

01:42:40.280 Oh, everything you've said is true.

01:42:43.040 I mean, Jesus describes himself as the temple.

01:42:45.380 Yes.

01:42:46.300 He is the temple.

01:42:48.180 He says that.

01:42:49.160 He is the lamb that was slain, the final sacrifice.

01:42:53.600 So, yeah, I'm a little confused.

01:42:56.940 Okay, so I understand that there are people who believe in the theology that you just described right there.

01:43:04.160 I think it's wrong.

01:43:05.480 I don't think it makes internal sense.

01:43:06.580 I don't think it's Christian. 0.97

01:43:08.040 But I think there are a lot of really decent people who believe it.

01:43:10.700 I know some really decent people, for sure, that I agree with on a lot of other issues.

01:43:15.540 But they sincerely believe it.

01:43:17.220 The Catholic Church does not. 0.86

01:43:18.960 The Catholic Church's doctrine is not something you have to guess about.

01:43:21.460 You can look it up online.

01:43:22.620 It's been pretty consistent for a couple thousand years.

01:43:25.960 So, like, why in the world would Catholic leaders who don't believe this, 0.89

01:43:31.480 why wouldn't they just say, we don't believe this as Catholics?

01:43:33.840 Because, again, you can check it online if you want.

01:43:36.260 I'm totally confused.

01:43:37.380 How are they controlled?

01:43:40.280 I think that they don't want to face what you've faced and what Candace has faced and what Megan has faced and what I've faced and Marjorie Taylor. 1.00

01:43:49.780 It's shut up, you hateful bigot, and we're going to destroy you. 0.99

01:43:54.940 They don't want that. 1.00

01:43:56.500 Really?

01:43:56.880 Because we're promised that by Jesus in the New Testament.

01:43:59.640 Take up your cross.

01:44:00.540 A hundred percent. I was interviewing this amazingly Anglican bishop in Jordan last month and I'm Anglican. So it's just amazing to find out like a truly Christian Anglican. Oh, it's wonderful. It was the best thing I did all year. But so I interviewed this man and we're talking off camera. And I said, I, you know, how often you spit on or spit at in Jerusalem?

01:44:24.240 Like every day, Orthodox Jews spit on me or spit at me or urinate on my church or whatever. 1.00

01:44:31.480 And I'm like, I don't, how can you deal with that? 0.99

01:44:34.420 If someone spit on me, I don't know what I would do because I'm not a great Christian

01:44:38.640 and I'm having all these fantasies about what I would do if someone spit on me.

01:44:41.840 Like I would not respond well.

01:44:44.240 And he said, oh no, I feel blessed.

01:44:46.980 Jesus was spit on in Jerusalem.

01:44:49.360 And I thought, wow, that's the Christianity I believe in right there.

01:44:52.640 that that is right that is accept the persecution that you're promised you are promised persecution

01:44:59.140 yeah it's not ambiguous you're not promised lots of money sorry sorry paula white i know you're

01:45:04.100 promised persecution by the world that hates you because the world hates jesus i was so inspired

01:45:09.220 by that made me teary hearing someone say because he meant it this was off camera having a cup of

01:45:13.460 coffee and so like considering that is the faith yeah i don't really get christian leaders who are

01:45:20.600 like oh i don't want to deal with the blowback what jesus himself is promising you like what

01:45:28.600 happened to him which is being tortured to death i know and i don't want to be criticized on twitter

01:45:33.440 yeah look at the disciples i think i think they to the extent we know i think they were all all

01:45:38.820 but murdered one maybe okay yeah so anyway sad i doesn't make any sense to me and murdered

01:45:45.240 very viciously oh my gosh horrifically um and so we now have leaders that don't want to even

01:45:51.740 suffer any discomfort at all tucker they don't want to be name called because that would hurt

01:45:57.040 them too much it would hurt their feelings so they're gonna they're gonna hide behind a 38

01:46:01.960 year old mom and whisper keep going i'm praying for you oh do you have people said that oh yeah

01:46:08.960 I mean, my priest, I've had several priests that I've spoken to.

01:46:14.380 I've asked, you know, can you make a public statement?

01:46:17.680 Oh, I don't make public statements.

01:46:20.980 I get people to heaven.

01:46:24.080 Okay, now.

01:46:25.340 Okay, that's okay. 1.00

01:46:27.200 So hide behind the mom and I'll take the bullets. 1.00

01:46:31.040 I'll take the bullets while the shepherds are running for the hillside. 1.00

01:46:35.140 Must be nice. 0.99

01:46:37.000 It's not nice.

01:46:37.820 But no judgment on them.

01:46:39.580 No judgment.

01:46:40.080 Well, cowardice is its own punishment.

01:46:42.940 You know, I think your wife's never going to respect you ever again. 0.96

01:46:46.560 You can't respect yourself. 1.00

01:46:48.480 I think your wife's attracted to you and you're a coward. 1.00

01:46:50.320 I don't think so. 0.99

01:46:51.480 I know, but I will say to answer the question,

01:46:53.340 I've had incredible men, Catholic men, outspoken men stand up for me

01:46:58.640 and several priests.

01:46:59.860 I will say there has been priests.

01:47:01.920 I have one that's coming to the event next week in DC, the gala.

01:47:06.200 And I'm sorry I got emotional, but I'm like, if it wasn't, I mean, could you imagine going through all this and then they come out and they say, not only are we going to honor you, but invite you to this, but we're going to give you this award.

01:47:17.880 You're going to get the Catholic champion award.

01:47:19.900 You're a champion, Carrie.

01:47:22.180 I'm thinking, oh my gosh, thank you.

01:47:25.960 Thank you for this.

01:47:28.100 And since then, they've had tremendous blowback.

01:47:31.040 People pulling out, oh, I can't believe you'd have that anti-Semite.

01:47:34.380 I mean, this is where we're at.

01:47:36.200 Really? They had people pull out?

01:47:38.580 Oh, yeah. Yeah, they've had people, you know, attack them.

01:47:42.200 Oh, I can't believe you would have Carrie and, well, Candace will be there too. 0.73

01:47:45.740 You know, you can't have Carrie and Candace. 0.65

01:47:47.480 That's like two anti-Semites in one room.

01:47:50.700 We can only have one, I guess. I don't know.

01:47:53.880 So, yeah, it's very unfortunate.

01:47:55.460 It's the public lynching and then making everyone around watching say,

01:48:00.980 yeah, they're an anti-Semite and I'm going to distance myself from them 0.55

01:48:04.720 Because I don't want to be labeled an anti-Semite.

01:48:07.800 This will all be over soon.

01:48:09.440 We've reached peak crazy.

01:48:10.900 I felt like that hearing, the response to you was that, you know, that's as bad as it's going to get without pushback.

01:48:19.840 I think you really woke people up.

01:48:22.060 Well, they're desperate though, which is scary.

01:48:23.760 Oh, I know.

01:48:24.640 Because they will try to do everything to destroy you.

01:48:31.200 I've heard that.

01:48:32.200 Yeah.

01:48:32.920 You know it.

01:48:33.420 Carrie, thank you for doing this.

01:48:34.720 I really appreciate it.

01:48:35.760 That was an amazing story.

01:48:37.860 Thank you, Tucker.

01:48:38.940 Appreciate you having me.

The Tucker Carlson Show - March 13, 2026

Are Christians Required to Pledge Loyalty to Bibi Netanyahu？ Carrie Prejean Boller & Tucker Respond.

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