The Tucker Carlson Show - Author Kris Newby explains how the first Lyme Disease infections happened just a few miles from an animal-testing lab in Connecticut. Could the spread of the disease be related to a lab leak？

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the Tucker Carlson podcast. It's pretty obvious at this point that the corporate

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00:00:29.120 commentary without fear. Here's our latest episode. If you live in certain parts of this

00:00:34.280 country, rural areas particularly, you know people who have or who have had Lyme disease.

00:00:40.360 And for some of them, maybe most, it's not a huge deal. You go in and you get a big dose of

00:00:44.160 antibiotics, you have some symptoms, and then it seems to go away. But for some percentage,

00:00:48.600 and you may know these people too, it's totally life-destroying. It's years in bed. It's agony.

00:00:55.340 It's really the end of your productive life. So what is that exactly? What is Lyme disease?

00:01:01.420 Well, there's still an active debate about that very basic question. Some have dismissed it as a

00:01:05.920 psychological symptom, actually. But even people who acknowledge that it's a physical syndrome

00:01:10.900 aren't always very clear, and they're certainly not in agreement with one another about what it is or

00:01:16.420 where it came from. So back in 2008, a woman called Chris Newby produced a documentary about Lyme.

00:01:22.160 At that point, it was becoming a very serious global illness, and its origins were mysterious,

00:01:27.920 unknown. People whispered about it, but no one could be certain. That documentary was called

00:01:32.680 Under Our Skin. Here's part of it.

00:01:35.920 Some infectious disease doctors, they don't believe in Lyme. And they said that I was faking it and

00:01:44.400 pretending so I could get out of school.

00:01:46.960 Lyme is the fastest growing infectious disease in the country. 200,000 new cases here, maybe even more.

00:01:54.320 It is a political disease and an economic disease as much as it is a bacterial-borne infection.

00:02:00.860 I would never, never have thought that something like a bacteriological infection can become so

00:02:07.760 politicized that the truth can be so brutally distorted.

00:02:10.780 I go into despair daily. I cry daily. I want to die daily.

00:02:18.420 Well, when I saw this doctor, you know, he said, you've got a long road ahead of you. It's not going

00:02:24.740 to be easy. So that scared me. The unknown is pretty scary.

00:02:30.080 It is a national health crisis that is completely and totally being ignored and squashed.

00:02:35.420 What is going on?

00:02:38.780 Well, you could write it off, and again, some have as a figment of your imagination,

00:02:43.100 but there are real neurological symptoms. And if you know anyone who's had it, you know that it's

00:02:47.680 entirely real. So again, what is this? Well, Chris Newby has spent a lot of time thinking and

00:02:54.460 researching on this topic, has been affected personally by Lyme, is the author of Bitten,

00:03:00.200 The Secret History of Biological Weapons and Lyme Disease. And she joins us now. Chris Newby,

00:03:05.060 thanks so much for coming on. So can you just give us a-

00:03:09.420 Hey, thanks for inviting me here.

00:03:10.740 Oh, absolutely. A quick and succinct overview of what Lyme is.

00:03:16.420 So Lyme disease is caused by a spirochetal bacteria, and you get it through a tick bite.

00:03:25.500 And if you treat it immediately with doxycycline or amoxicillin, it will go away. The problem is,

00:03:34.740 it's very often misdiagnosed or diagnosed late. And that's where the controversy comes in for the

00:03:41.500 disease. It can linger for months to years, and then it's really hard to get rid of. And

00:03:49.160 into complicated, a tick can transmit up to like 20 different disease-causing microbes. And so if you

00:03:56.900 have like two or three or four of those in one tick bite, it creates a confusing set of symptoms that

00:04:02.660 doctors have trouble diagnosing.

00:04:05.940 So doctors can isolate, however, the organism that causes Lyme specifically. I mean, there's no

00:04:12.880 mystery about where that comes from. Is that correct?

00:04:17.140 Well, there are antibody tests for Lyme disease. It's really, really hard to culture the, you know,

00:04:23.900 take blood and culture it in a Petri dish.

00:04:25.920 The problem is the tests are not very reliable. The Lyme disease antibody tests

00:04:31.960 don't usually work in the first month. It takes a while for your body to develop antibodies to the

00:04:37.920 level that they can be measured. And then later on, the tests aren't that great. It's no better than

00:04:44.160 a coin flip because it just depends on what strain you have and what you're, if you're really sick,

00:04:52.880 you won't produce antibodies. Interesting. So the problem with tick-borne diseases is there are a

00:04:58.520 lot more ticks than there have been in our lifetimes anyway. Parts of the Northeast have

00:05:04.180 seen an explosion in tick populations to the point where large mammals are being decimated,

00:05:09.660 sucked dry of blood and dying because they have too many ticks on them. So that's not anyone's

00:05:13.680 imagination. That's measurable. So if you have a disease that's spread by ticks and there are a whole

00:05:17.780 lot more ticks, you're going to get a whole lot more cases of the disease. Is this measured, measurable?

00:05:25.580 Yes. And I would say just the cases of Lyme disease are going up, which is proving that ticks

00:05:34.060 are biting people. The CDC estimates they're half a million cases a year. That's on average 1,300 people

00:05:40.860 a day. So that's significant. Now, why they're spreading so quickly, I go into that in the book a

00:05:46.900 little bit. I mean, there certainly is global, with climate change, which means winters aren't as

00:05:53.200 severe and a lot of the ticks don't die off. That's true in Maine. And then part of it is people are

00:06:02.420 moving into the woods and are exposed more to the ticks. Yes, all true in Maine and other northern

00:06:11.800 states. But it does raise the question, like, how did this... I mean, if you're 75 years old,

00:06:19.660 you did not grow up with Lyme disease. If you're 15 years old, you're worried about Lyme disease.

00:06:24.360 That's a pretty short period. Where do we think this came from? Well, the thing I found in my research

00:06:32.800 for my book is Lyme disease wasn't a noticeable problem until the mid-70s. And what my research said

00:06:41.600 is that there are actually three really virulent tick-borne diseases that showed up right around

00:06:49.760 Lyme, Connecticut, at the mouth of the Connecticut River, which is right across from Plum Island,

00:06:54.540 which was the U.S.'s anti-animal crop headquarters for the biological weapons program. So late 60s,

00:07:04.700 the peak of the biological weapons program in the U.S., these three freaky diseases showed up. So that was

00:07:11.960 Lyme arthritis caused by the spirochete. There was a rickettsia, which is Rocky Man of Spotted Fever. And

00:07:20.960 then there was a cattle parasite. It was the second time it was found in man in that area called Babesia.

00:07:28.820 And that's actually, I got Lyme and Babesia, which can be fatal, and it's a serious disease.

00:07:35.560 So all three, so you have a cluster, effectively, of these three previously rare diseases right across

00:07:45.120 the water from the U.S. government's biological weapons testing facility. Is that what you're saying?

00:07:51.020 Yeah. And it's, if you're like working for the CDC and on the lookout for natural versus unnatural

00:08:02.980 disease outbreaks, having three new tick-borne diseases show up, extra deadly disease causing

00:08:12.440 than in the past, it would raise, it would raise, it would get their attention and there would be

00:08:19.800 investigations, which is what happened. That sounds like a crazed conspiracy theory to me,

00:08:25.360 just because you have previously rare diseases show up all at once across from a biological weapons

00:08:31.180 facility doesn't mean, so, okay, so the CDC investigated this. What did they find?

00:08:36.060 Well, it, a housewife in Lyme, Connecticut, Polly Murray, was the first one to start documenting,

00:08:44.740 and she started pounding on the doors of local health departments and the CDC. And it really took

00:08:50.000 her seven years before the CDC responded, and a doctor named Alan Steer showed up and started,

00:08:57.180 from Yale, he's a CDC EIS officer, and started investigating it. And he, they, he figured out it was

00:09:04.820 tick-borne, but he couldn't figure out the causative agent. And at that point, the U.S.'s number one

00:09:12.140 tick researcher, Willie Bergdorfer, a Swiss-American tick guy who was in NIH's Rocky Mountain Laboratory,

00:09:22.300 came out to investigate. And that's where he found, I mean, the public-facing story is,

00:09:28.840 he found the spirochete, it causes this bullseye rash, he said, that's what's causing all the disease,

00:09:37.160 and the panic should stop, just take two weeks of doxycycling, and the problem will go away. But

00:09:44.400 it didn't. And that's where my book took off. I started looking at the backstory, and wondering

00:09:51.540 what really happened. And people associated with that disease weren't acting in the normal way.

00:10:00.360 Normally, when you discover a dangerous new disease, you say, oh, this is horrible. Give us money,

00:10:07.780 we'll research it. But instead, it just became more and more secretive.

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00:11:53.300 So is it your belief that Willie Bergdorfer, who I think is gone now, but knew the truth about what

00:12:04.380 happened? And what do you think is the truth? Well, I worked on the Lyme disease documentary

00:12:10.680 with fresh eyes because I didn't know anything about the disease until my husband and I got it.

00:12:16.360 And the thing that was unusual is the symptoms set on the CDC website and in the medical textbooks

00:12:22.340 was totally different than what we had experienced. So then I teamed up with the director, Andy

00:12:28.000 Wilson, and we spent three and a half years researching the disease. And what we found out

00:12:34.480 is it was just an enormous epidemic. So many people are suffering. And the treatment recommended

00:12:40.380 by public health, which was two weeks of doxycycline, wasn't curing it. But these patients who went on to

00:12:48.000 get the same symptoms over and over again were not given any more antibiotics. And then we wanted to

00:12:57.060 understand what was going on with the disease. So Andy and I called all the CDC people, the NIH people.

00:13:04.340 They wouldn't talk to us. Like one of the original discoverers even hung up on me. I said, I just want

00:13:10.320 someone to go on camera and talk about how this disease, how this organism causes a disease. But to

00:13:15.620 have a professor, you know, who discovered the disease hang up on me, it was just unusual. There was

00:13:21.160 paranoia amongst the specialists. So what we did was we went out to see Willie Bergdorfer, who was

00:13:27.540 retired, the guy who discovered Lyme disease, at his home. And while we were setting up the cameras,

00:13:35.460 someone from the lab knocked on the door and says, I need to sit in on this interview. There's things

00:13:42.520 Willie can't talk about. And the director was outraged and kicked him out. But during that

00:13:48.100 interview, Willie intimated that there was more to Lyme disease than the public health was letting on,

00:13:55.060 the disease is not just a rash, highly neurological, especially damaging for children. And two weeks

00:14:03.200 of doxycycline doesn't work. And they know it can go on to be chronic. So it was our first hard proof

00:14:10.740 that something wasn't as it seemed on the surface with Lyme disease. And so we got the film out. And one

00:14:19.600 thing, one of the aspects that we covered in the film is just conflicts of interest in medicine,

00:14:25.020 because right around the time Lyme disease was discovered, researchers at universities, the CDC,

00:14:31.780 the NIH, could share in the profits of a new test or vaccine for a disease. So there was a lot of,

00:14:41.920 like a CDC employee could match their salary and royalties for a vaccine or a test kit.

00:14:47.720 So it corrupted the incentives in medicine, not to share information about a new disease, but

00:14:53.560 instead to save it as intellectual property so it can be monetized. So, so anyways, we got the film

00:15:01.280 out. There were rumors swirling around about Plum Island and it being, Lyme disease being a biological

00:15:08.000 weapon, but we had enough to cover with the patient story and the conflict story. And then I was done

00:15:14.200 with it and I got a great job writing science for Stanford Medical School in the science department.

00:15:23.040 And I was going to walk away and get along with my life. But then two things happened within the space

00:15:29.120 of a month. And I, I said, I can't let this story go. I just have to know what is really going on with

00:15:35.440 this disease. And one was, I met a CDC, I mean, a CIA black ops guy who said in 1962, the weirdest

00:15:44.320 thing he'd ever done in his whole crazy apocalypse now career was dropping poison ticks on Cuban sugar

00:15:52.640 cane workers. That was Operation Mongoose. So that was the first evidence that we had dropped ticks on

00:16:00.040 a foreign country as a bioweapon. And then the other thing is one of my filmmaker friends went out to 0.98

00:16:06.460 Willy Bergdorfer and in a very long interview, he, at the very end, he said, yeah, when I investigated the Lyme

00:16:12.780 disease sickness in the late 70s, early 80s, there was another organism there. It wasn't just Lyme that was

00:16:23.100 making people sick. It was, um, I, and I was told to cover it up. It was probably a Rickettsia. He

00:16:30.780 didn't let, release all the information, but what he said was confirmed by copies of his lab books

00:16:37.400 and, um, and, uh, subsequent interviews that I had with him.

00:16:44.520 And, and, and pardon my ignorance, what is the disease you described the other one? Rickettsia?

00:16:50.500 Yeah. So, so it's a Rickettsia. It is, uh, the same organism that causes Rocky Mountain spotted fever,

00:16:59.080 and that's the most deadly tick-borne disease in the United States. It also was a germ that was being

00:17:07.000 weaponized by the, um, the U.S. military at the time. And, and they tried to stuff it in ticks. I mean,

00:17:16.360 so what is tick weaponization? So in the interviews with Willie, what he said was,

00:17:21.620 I spent over a decade in the biological weapons program, a contractor to Fort Dietrich, um, working

00:17:29.180 on, uh, weaponizing fleas, ticks, and mosquitoes, trying to mass produce them, stuffing fleas with the

00:17:37.280 plague, uh, stuffing mosquitoes with deadly Trinidad virus, Trinidad virus, and then stuffing ticks with

00:17:49.080 either deadly or incapacitating, hascipating diseases like relapsing fever, Venezuelan

00:17:56.220 equine encephalitis, rabies, uh, leptospirosis, which is another spirochete. So it's just like

00:18:05.100 Dr. Strangelove, uh, trying to make new diseases, mixing bacteria and virus in ticks with the intent

00:18:15.400 of, this is the perfect stealth weapon. It's poor, poor man's nuke. You drop these insects

00:18:22.080 on an enemy, it weakens the population, it ties up the medical resources, but doesn't destroy

00:18:29.980 infrastructure like a new nuclear bomb would. And in one report from a bean counter in the military,

00:18:36.640 they said, uh, tularemia, which is tick-borne tularemia, also rabbit fever, we can kill 10,000

00:18:44.900 people at $1.33 a life. So anyways, it was just, uh, there was more to tick-borne diseases than we

00:18:54.160 realize. And I began suspecting that Willie was right, given this context.

00:19:01.380 It's, it's hard to digest all of this. It's just so evil. Um, it's hard to believe it could happen

00:19:06.660 in the United States. Um, but I, I think you're, you're right that it did and maybe still happening.

00:19:13.240 Let me ask what you think happened in the specific case of Lyme. So these kinds of experiments were

00:19:21.440 taking place on Plum Island. Is that confirmed? Well, Plum Island only did animal diseases. 0.71

00:19:28.740 There was another branch, which was Maryland, Fort Detrick. They did anti-human, uh, weapons. But

00:19:36.780 I, I'm not sure exactly what got out where, because if you draw, uh, like a five mile circle around

00:19:45.080 Lyme, Connecticut, there's Plum Island, there's several military bases.

00:19:49.180 There are many pharmaceutical companies who were, that were funded by the military to develop,

00:19:57.080 uh, treatments for these diseases. And so they would have to have the diseases on site.

00:20:02.820 So that's my continuing, uh, research there. Um, and there are, there are a couple, well,

00:20:13.160 first of all, back up to weaponize a living system, like a bug or the germs and bugs, or

00:20:19.280 later on in the sixties, they separated the germs and aerosolize them. They would freeze dry them,

00:20:25.280 powderize them, and then spray them on. The plan was to spray them on enemies from planes

00:20:31.980 or buoys or vehicles. Uh, so to develop a weapon like that, you have to have someone like Willie

00:20:40.020 Bergdorfer, seeing if they can get these living systems to work and develop the lethal dosage

00:20:46.340 of those organisms. Then you have to do pilot studies that usually happened, could happen,

00:20:52.520 you know, in Connecticut or at Fort Dietrich in Maryland. And then there would be larger studies,

00:20:58.180 and that would be at like Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah. So there was a lot of leak points for any

00:21:03.060 accidents that could have happened in this biological weapons program. So, um, what Willie said, and I,

00:21:12.460 I think he's a really credible witness because he had the most to lose by admitting towards the end of

00:21:19.160 his life that I covered up something really important and now I feel guilty about it.

00:21:25.380 Yes.

00:21:25.600 All his fame came at 56 when he discovered Lyme disease. So what he said is, and he wouldn't give

00:21:31.920 me the details of the organism that was the bioweapon, but he said accidents happened. So my continuing

00:21:38.180 work is to try and figure out, okay, where was the leak? And, and most crucially, it's like, why were

00:21:45.700 there multiple tick-borne diseases in that very, very small spot? Also, there were some in northern

00:21:51.700 Wisconsin where we had a biological weapons, that's the anti-crop area in the genetic engineering area 0.98

00:21:57.300 of the bioweapons program. So, um, so I, what I sort, sort through in documents and grants and 0.63

00:22:07.680 newspapers.com are, were there sentry die-offs of animals and people that are hidden there? Because

00:22:16.040 the biological weapons program was as secret as the Manhattan program and a lot of the documents

00:22:22.760 were destroyed after the program was canceled in 72. I have to say one of the most outrageous

00:22:30.940 open-air experiments, which I think contributed to the problem around Lyme, Connecticut is

00:22:36.620 coastal Virginia. A tick researcher had an army contract and a contract with the Atomic Energy

00:22:45.160 Commission. And he was testing lone star ticks, uh, as a potential, um, weaponized organism. And the

00:22:56.480 thing about lone star ticks is they're from the, they were from the South, originally identified them

00:23:02.300 in Texas, below the Mason-Dixon line. But here he was on the Mason-Dixon line testing by the hundreds

00:23:09.200 of thousands, uh, a non-native tick. And he wanted to see how hard they, how far they can creep in months

00:23:17.280 to years, because if you're weaponizing it, you would want to know that information. So from Willie

00:23:22.640 Bergdorfer in Montana, he got some pregnant ticks. So they have, uh, they're called gravid ticks, but they 0.52

00:23:31.160 have 2,000 to 4,000 eggs inside of them. He would inject them with a, uh, radioactive isotope. The ticks

00:23:41.120 would lay, hatch all their larval babies, and then he would, and then would be radioactive for life. So, first of

00:23:49.860 all, you're going to release them in nature. It isn't going to cause mutations in the organisms inside their gut. But

00:23:57.120 anyways, what he would do is he would take 1,000 ticks and put 1,000 per grid in a marshy field. And then he and his

00:24:05.640 assistants would go out every month. They'd use a Geiger counter to figure out how far the ticks had creeped in that

00:24:12.440 amount of time. And then write studies on them, which are actually in the public domain. But, uh, this is an open air

00:24:23.500 test on the Atlantic Bird Flyway, 1966, 67, 68. And sure enough, like, after those tests ended, there was, uh, an unusual

00:24:39.560 epidemic on Long Island of Rocky Mounted Spotted Fever, which is spread by those kind of ticks. A lot of people

00:24:47.720 died, usually on Long Island, uh, in the late 60s, there would be one death a year. But after this

00:24:54.560 experiment, uh, like, over 100 people gravely ill, quite a few deaths. And actually, that's why Willie

00:25:03.680 Bergdorfer came out, is to try and figure out what happened there. So, the point is, this is just one

00:25:10.640 experiment we know about in the biological weapons program. And why does it matter now? Because

00:25:16.840 human hubris, we can't control nature. And if we're going to play God and, and make these new germs

00:25:24.940 inside ticks, and then release them, there could be blowback, unintended consequences. And that's what I

00:25:32.240 believe. This thing that we call Lyme disease, but which could be multiple organisms, uh, that are making

00:25:40.240 people sick. But no, for some reason, the government said, it's only this one spirochete. It can be cured

00:25:45.960 with two weeks of antibiotics. And I think that's fundamentally untrue.

00:25:57.540 Two last questions. Um, one, did, did you, or have you discovered any die-offs, uh, the, the ones you

00:26:05.860 referred to a minute ago, of people or animals? Clusters of deaths?

00:26:11.580 Yes. Yes. In the late 60s, uh, early 70s, there, there were, um, uh, duck die-offs. The Long Island

00:26:26.700 duck industry was decimated, which, uh, yeah. So, uh, and then also there was, um, epidemics

00:26:37.220 of equine encephalitis, where really high dollar horse flesh died. That's all the late 60s. And then

00:26:45.140 you have the human illness, which we call Lyme disease. But I've talked to witnesses, uh, who

00:26:51.740 went to school. I mean, they're my age now. They went to school and you would, you would see

00:26:56.560 a Lyme Connecticut bus pull up and a third of the bus, these elementary school kids would

00:27:03.140 be carrying crutches with swollen knees. Grotesque. Uh, and so my final question is,

00:27:10.840 it's mostly rhetorical, but has the U.S. government, which is clearly responsible for this, I think it's

00:27:16.160 pretty obvious, um, done anything to, to stop it, to help people who are suffering from it,

00:27:23.200 to offer any kind of payment to people whose lives they destroyed?

00:27:29.780 Well, there, there is no hard proof that this epidemic was caused by them. It's circumstantial

00:27:37.420 evidence, I would say. And I'm really clear in my book to say, this is what we know and this is what

00:27:42.180 we don't know. But I, I find their response to be really inadequate because the symptom list isn't

00:27:50.180 accurate. It's been 40 years and we still don't have a good test. They're only, the NIH, who has a

00:27:57.140 pretty small budget for it, it's gone from 30 million to 50 million a year, is, has, spends like

00:28:04.060 60% of the budget on basic research, but only less than 1% on treatments. So even though the treatment

00:28:12.260 recommended by the CDC, there's like a 20% failure rate and those people go on to get sick, uh, they're

00:28:19.700 not investing anything in treatment. It's, it's pretty similar to what's happening with long COVID.

00:28:24.320 They're just obsessed with the deaths and maybe the upfront acute disease, but not the chronic,

00:28:32.120 the growing number of chronic people. So the thing I worry about is it's, okay, go ahead.

00:28:38.000 Well, it's just, it's, I was just thinking, I would never have done this segment if I hadn't

00:28:42.620 seen it myself. And so somebody has done a pretty good job of discrediting sufferers of whatever this

00:28:48.780 is as crazy and suggesting that these are psychosomatic symptoms. And I'll just speak for

00:28:55.020 myself. I would have bought that if I hadn't known people personally very well who are not crazy at all

00:28:59.700 or depressed or, you know, uh, or fragile even who were decimated by it. So where did that,

00:29:05.340 where did that piece of propaganda come from? Do you know?

00:29:12.900 Um, I think it's the same dynamic, uh, that we see with trying to discredit the lab leak theory.

00:29:22.740 I mean, there's a small group of people that were read into these, this biological weapons program.

00:29:27.940 I know that from reading the emails in NIH when my book came out, like, uh, before they'd read the

00:29:35.000 book, they discredited it because they hadn't read the facts and it was so secretive. So there's a

00:29:40.060 small group of people controlling the information. Uh, and the, the boots on the ground physicians now

00:29:47.380 have been trained the whole 15 minutes of medical school that they learn about tick-borne diseases,

00:29:52.020 that Lyme disease is over-diagnosed. It's easy to cure. And they don't know this very elaborate,

00:29:58.900 complicated backstory. So, I mean, that's what the book hopefully will do is, uh, read them that

00:30:06.480 they need to treat tick-borne diseases, uh, seriously. They're not minor, they're life-changing,

00:30:13.940 and it's going to be a drag on our economy to have this, these many, this many, uh, long COVID,

00:30:21.700 chronic fatigue, and Lyme disease patients, uh, unable to work. So they haven't invested in

00:30:28.140 treatments. So for people who are interested in learning more, can you restate the title of your

00:30:32.520 book, if you would? It's written, The Secret History of Lyme Disease and Biological Weapons. And I

00:30:40.220 have to say, I didn't prove that Lyme disease is a biological weapon, but I'm saying,

00:30:43.940 something unusual, which I think is related to the biological weapons program, had it happened in

00:30:48.500 the late sixties and the government wants to cover it up. And it matters because how you treat an

00:30:55.460 unnatural disease is different than a natural disease where people have developed immunity,

00:31:00.480 uh, for an unusual disease, you need, uh, a more well thought out, intelligent treatment plan.

00:31:08.640 Well, sure. I mean, it's not like cholera, you know, we've been dealing with for millennia.

00:31:12.780 Um, I sure appreciate your coming on. Thank you. That's fascinating. And, and thanks for all the

00:31:17.400 responsible research you've done into this. Appreciate it.

00:31:21.540 Yeah. Yeah. Thanks very much for talking to me.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - May 09, 2024

Author Kris Newby explains how the first Lyme Disease infections happened just a few miles from an animal-testing lab in Connecticut. Could the spread of the disease be related to a lab leak？

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