The Tucker Carlson Show - Bill Gates, Truth About Vaccines, & Big Pharma’s Plot to Destroy Doctors Who Question ”The Science”

00:00:00.000 Thank you for doing this. I think you're a hero. I just want to say that this is not going to be an objective interview. I want to thank you for everything you've done, and I want to hear your story, but I want to begin with a statement from the president just out now. This is Donald J. Trump on Truth Social, and I'm quoting.

00:00:19.200 It is very important that the drug companies justify the success of their various COVID drugs. Many people think they're a miracle that saved millions of lives. Others disagree. With the CDC now being ripped apart over this question, I want the answer, and I want it now, in all caps. I've been shown information from Pfizer and others. It is extraordinary, but they never seem to show those results to the public. Why not?

00:00:39.820 They go off the next hunt and let everyone rip themselves apart, including Bobby Kennedy Jr. and the CDC, trying to figure out the success or failure of the drug company's COVID work.

00:00:49.900 They show me great numbers and results, but they don't seem to be showing them to many others, and I want them to show them now to CDC and the public and clear up this mess one way or the other.

00:00:59.680 I hope that Operation Warp Speed was brilliant, as many say it was. If not, we all want to know about it and why.

00:01:06.880 Thank you for your attention to this very important matter, President DJT.

00:01:10.880 Wow.

00:01:32.480 What does that mean?

00:01:33.480 That is a total reversal from what, I can't say it's a total reversal. I'm really, I'm encouraged by those words, significantly encouraged.

00:01:44.720 It's been a struggle with this whole Operation Warp Speed and with what we know.

00:01:54.560 Being physicians practicing.

00:01:55.960 Being physicians practicing, but not all physicians practicing. We talked about this earlier, you know, where a very small percentage of us actually, quote unquote, know.

00:02:03.560 Okay. Yes.

00:02:05.520 And, but to hear that coming from him, where he may actually be questioning the Operation Warp Speed numbers that were put behind him and that were given to him before is a really, really interesting twist.

00:02:19.320 It's pretty unbelievable that he has to send something like this out, considering that companies like Pfizer and Moderna and their executives are all billionaires because of federal tax dollars.

00:02:30.040 So like this, these are not really, I mean, they're publicly traded companies, but they're not in some kind of private sector business.

00:02:35.680 They are government contractors. We're forced to take their products. We have no recourse if those products hurt us because they have full immunity.

00:02:43.160 And so they're getting rich from our tax dollars, but we don't get to see the numbers.

00:02:48.300 Like maybe, well, maybe someone should go to jail, like right away.

00:02:51.180 What numbers is he seeing that he says have been really impressive numbers that we're not seeing?

00:02:56.140 Well, this Burla, the veterinarian Burla guy.

00:02:58.360 Right.

00:02:59.200 Who I think is not a, he's a vet, right?

00:03:01.100 He's a vet, correct.

00:03:01.720 And you're a surgeon, but they try to put you in prison for the rest of your life.

00:03:05.660 But Burla is now a billionaire because he is involved in a scam where U.S. tax dollars go into his pocket and there's nothing we can do about it.

00:03:15.580 Right.

00:03:15.960 And if you complain about it, by the way.

00:03:18.160 Then they shut you down and censor you and they try to arrest you or they do arrest you.

00:03:22.420 So this Burla creep, this ghoul has been showing up at the, he's been at the White House a bunch, I think.

00:03:26.480 Right.

00:03:27.340 And he's been spinning.

00:03:29.380 Well, and Donald Trump has called him out saying, hey, this is my best friend or not my best friend, but this is a, you know, really good friend of mine, you know, Burla and, you know, and kind of praised what they've done.

00:03:41.660 Yeah.

00:03:41.800 How about I call you when my dog has puppies?

00:03:43.640 Okay.

00:03:44.520 Like, what are you doing?

00:03:45.920 What is this?

00:03:46.640 Anyway, sorry, sorry, sorry.

00:03:47.720 So, so, but, but Trump's position up until apparently this morning, as far as I know.

00:03:54.200 Right.

00:03:54.540 Has been Operation Warp Speed, which he.

00:03:57.380 Saved millions of lives.

00:03:58.080 Saved millions of lives.

00:03:59.100 It was like Jonas Salk's polio vaccine.

00:04:01.440 And so this does, so the last line in here is, it was, it was brilliant.

00:04:07.340 As many say it was, if not, we want to know what happened.

00:04:11.900 And that's, that's, like I said, that is the first time that I've heard him maybe somewhat question the effectiveness or, you know, what actually was behind Operation Warp Speed.

00:04:23.480 You know, Operation Warp Speed was a DOD operation.

00:04:26.060 It was run by a general, okay, General Perna.

00:04:28.100 And, you know, there's a lot of evidence out there and Sasha Latipova and Catherine Watt and a lot of people have put out information that essentially the DOD is who developed these jabs, these COVID vaccines.

00:04:42.700 And then they, in turn, asked Pfizer and Moderna to slap their label on it for money and then distribute them because it was a military operation in terms of this whole distribution.

00:04:55.760 What's the U.S. military doing in my health care?

00:04:58.100 Look, there's all kinds of agencies that are out there and I, they have all these acronyms, ASPR, BARDA, DARPA.

00:05:06.880 I couldn't begin to tell you what the, you know, what they stand for, but it's, you know, it's crazy how much, it was a change in biological warfare.

00:05:19.360 When we back, I think I want to say in the 70s, when chasing or biological warfare became a crime.

00:05:29.940 And we said we were going to get rid of everything that we do and all of these biological weapons and all of these things here that, you know, that we could use to kill people by, you know, with clouds of, you know, kind of germs.

00:05:43.420 Okay.

00:05:43.880 Lyme disease.

00:05:44.640 Lyme disease.

00:05:45.680 Yeah.

00:05:46.940 Excuse me.

00:05:47.640 Sorry.

00:05:48.060 Oh, no.

00:05:48.260 Sorry.

00:05:48.460 But when, so when we changed, when we made, we actually passed a law.

00:05:52.600 It's a federal law that says we're not allowed to do that anymore.

00:05:54.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:54.860 We signed the convention, I think.

00:05:56.160 Uh, yes.

00:05:57.560 And, but what happened is, um, just like, uh, just like the scientists from, uh, Operation Paperclip went to the tobacco industry.

00:06:06.000 Okay.

00:06:06.480 Um, and then from the tobacco industry to the food industry, um, the, the scientists that went from these biological weapons development programs went to, uh, essentially a, an umbrella organization that was used to combat biological warfare.

00:06:24.660 So, they used it under the auspices of, um, we are going to develop these things as an antidote or as a treatment for the potential bioweapons that somebody else is going to use.

00:06:34.920 Yeah.

00:06:35.120 We're going to need to keep our research going.

00:06:37.580 Right.

00:06:38.260 To defend ourselves against the Russian bioprogram.

00:06:40.660 Right.

00:06:41.260 And that's why we need all these biolabs in Ukraine and shut up conspiracy theorists if you ask about them.

00:06:45.320 Right, right.

00:06:45.800 I will say as someone who, uh, smoked for many years and also got Lyme disease that I got a lot more out of smoking than I did at a Lyme disease.

00:06:53.200 Okay.

00:06:53.340 So, those are like, I guess, two products of government programs and one was a lot better than the other from my perspective.

00:07:00.660 So, okay.

00:07:01.540 I just had to, I want a perspective on this.

00:07:03.520 So, that was my impression.

00:07:04.560 Yeah.

00:07:04.880 I mean, you said that came out this morning.

00:07:06.860 I had not seen that.

00:07:07.760 Yeah, I had not.

00:07:07.980 Everything up until this point was, you know, Operation Warp Speed saved lives.

00:07:11.460 Operation Warp Speed saved millions of lives.

00:07:13.460 You know, it was the best thing, you know, the best thing that ever happened.

00:07:15.600 I'm so proud of what we did and, you know, and everything else.

00:07:17.740 And like you said, he's been pushing, you know, the Pfizer and Moderna CEOs and everything else and what a great job they did and everything else.

00:07:25.060 So, I'm really interested to see what numbers it is that they're showing them that they can't show the public.

00:07:28.880 We could fix all of this just by stripping them of their immunity.

00:07:31.740 I don't, do you have blanket immunity?

00:07:33.380 Oh, my gosh.

00:07:33.780 In your job?

00:07:34.680 So, I don't have blanket immunity.

00:07:35.820 Oh, you don't.

00:07:36.380 I don't either, actually.

00:07:37.460 Right.

00:07:37.620 So, I get sued or whatever.

00:07:39.680 Look.

00:07:40.360 So, why do they have blanket immunity?

00:07:42.700 Well, one, vaccines have blanket immunity from the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.

00:07:48.260 Correct.

00:07:49.660 And then the PrEP Act in 2005.

00:07:52.500 So, the PrEP Act in 2005 further extended that, that when they declare a state of emergency, then everybody, there's no liability.

00:08:02.260 So, now everything done under EUA has no liability.

00:08:05.660 And as a matter of fact, the law even says that our judicial branch can't even review that law.

00:08:11.340 So, how is that constitutional and how has that not been challenged?

00:08:14.900 We're talking 20 years here where we had a legislative body in 2005 and signed by the president, George Bush at the time, that basically said that anything that's passed under emergency use authorization has no liability and the judicial branch of our government can't review it.

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00:11:36.560 So there are all of us U.S. citizens, little worker bees who keep the thing going,

00:11:41.040 and then there are our leaders.

00:11:42.420 But then above even our leaders, above the Supreme Court of the United States,

00:11:45.520 sits the vaccine industry, and they're the gods.

00:11:50.140 They're Zeus and Jupiter.

00:11:51.820 Right.

00:11:52.480 And there's literally nothing we can do to them.

00:11:55.040 Yeah.

00:11:55.140 Okay.

00:11:55.540 I'm glad you figured that out.

00:12:00.960 It's dawning slowly.

00:12:03.340 I knew that I committed some kind of blaspheme, but I wasn't exactly sure against whom,

00:12:06.900 but it's against Albert Bourla, the vet.

00:12:09.400 And I am going to call him next time my dog gets distempered or, you know, eats another mop.

00:12:15.020 I need someone to pull the strands out.

00:12:16.920 Swallows a sock or something.

00:12:19.120 Excuse me.

00:12:19.920 I love vets.

00:12:21.380 He's a discredit to the business.

00:12:23.680 Okay.

00:12:24.340 Your story.

00:12:25.180 You're a surgeon.

00:12:26.020 You live in Utah.

00:12:29.100 You're from a military family.

00:12:30.260 Your dad was a test pilot, flew over 100 missions in Vietnam.

00:12:33.120 So you've been around the government a lot.

00:12:34.660 Obviously, you grew up in a government world.

00:12:36.420 Well, COVID happens 2020.

00:12:41.060 Let's begin your story there.

00:12:43.560 So, yeah.

00:12:44.600 What were you doing?

00:12:45.340 What was your reaction to it?

00:12:47.060 So COVID happens.

00:12:48.020 I'm, you know, I'm operating.

00:12:49.140 I operate two days a week.

00:12:50.100 I see patients two, three days a week.

00:12:52.360 I operate Tuesday, Thursday.

00:12:53.560 I actually listen to podcasts, probably listen to a lot of your shows.

00:12:58.560 You know, 2020, I was probably listening to a lot of Dan Bongino.

00:13:01.600 Yeah.

00:13:02.240 And, you know, and I also follow a guy that I used to do a lot of options trading with, and he used to trade his options based upon current world events.

00:13:11.040 And so he was talking about the whole COVID thing.

00:13:13.960 So all through January, February, and early March, you know, he's doing trades and he's talking about, you know, all of this stuff that was happening with COVID and all of the people that were keeling over in China and all the lockdowns that were happening and how it expanded into Italy and now it was into Spain and all this stuff.

00:13:31.580 And I had, I'm busy, okay?

00:13:35.160 And so I don't have a lot of time to do a lot of my own research and look into all of this stuff.

00:13:40.220 I mean, I'm conservative by nature anyway.

00:13:42.320 I mean, I'm, you know, Republican, probably more libertarian than I am Republican.

00:13:47.160 But, you know, I had no reason to doubt what was going on.

00:13:52.000 So on March 17th, Tuesday afternoon, I get home.

00:13:54.980 I must have seen something on the TV.

00:13:57.280 We'd already had some lockdowns in some of the states in this country.

00:14:00.020 We'd already had Italy had gone into complete lockdown in Spain.

00:14:04.040 And so at that point, I, again, without knowing anything anymore, I called my office manager and I said, hey,

00:14:10.560 we're not going to, we're going to cancel all surgeries.

00:14:13.860 We're going to close the doors.

00:14:14.960 I can't risk getting sick, bringing it home to my kids.

00:14:19.680 And so let's just have somebody, just have one person in the office.

00:14:23.180 Let's lock the doors, have one person there answering the phones.

00:14:27.260 And so we did that on March 17th.

00:14:30.440 In other words, you took it very seriously.

00:14:32.240 I did because I didn't know anything about it.

00:14:34.320 Me too.

00:14:35.080 I agree.

00:14:36.760 And I tell this story all the time.

00:14:39.880 It wasn't 24, 36 hours that I'd done a total 180, a complete 180.

00:14:44.960 By Thursday morning, March 19th, I was like, oh my gosh, I got to open the doors back up.

00:14:51.760 By this time, I had already canceled my surgeries.

00:14:53.720 I couldn't really just turn around and do everything.

00:14:56.080 But by that time, I realized that it was all fake.

00:15:00.820 In two days?

00:15:01.660 In two days.

00:15:02.620 How?

00:15:04.660 I got online and started reading articles.

00:15:06.680 I got online and started reading about viruses and refreshing myself on microbiology and going back to kind of basic, what I felt was basic science and trying to understand, hey, how do these things work?

00:15:19.000 How does, you know, how does an epidemic happen?

00:15:20.920 How does a pandemic happen?

00:15:22.320 You know, and then you realize that they changed the definition of pandemic some time before that so that it would apply.

00:15:26.740 I realized that at the time that they declared, it wasn't the pandemic yet, but they declared some sort of kind of international emergency in like the middle of January.

00:15:37.800 And then the WHO declared their fake P-H-E-I-C pandemic, okay, the public health emergency of international concern, okay, and that's what that stands for.

00:15:48.480 I think they do this all on purpose, okay, but when you sound it out, it's fake, okay?

00:15:54.340 And, you know, I realized that there actually were only 44 cases of COVID total in the whole world by the end of January, and there was one death due to that.

00:16:06.140 And the one death was to, I think it was a physician, actually an ophthalmologist in China at the time.

00:16:12.080 And they supposedly had isolated this.

00:16:14.440 I don't know how they isolated it.

00:16:15.660 They didn't have, you know, they didn't have a test and didn't have anything that was available for them to isolate it.

00:16:20.180 So again, the whole thing just kind of started falling apart.

00:16:23.680 You knew there was lying at the center.

00:16:25.020 I knew there was all kinds of lying going on.

00:16:27.800 And then I started, so then I started going, okay, well, what can I do about it?

00:16:31.920 So I knew it was a lie, but what can I do about it?

00:16:34.880 And the first huge flag to me was when we were told that as physicians, there's no treatment.

00:16:42.960 You can't treat this.

00:16:44.580 Well, last I'd heard, COVID is a flu-like illness.

00:16:49.300 Nausea, malaise, fever, chills, lost a taste and smell, which happened in the flu anyway.

00:16:55.980 Nothing was, you know, nothing was pathognomonic, which means nothing was directly attributed only to this one disease.

00:17:01.960 And so what did we used to do for the flu?

00:17:04.820 Treat them symptomatically.

00:17:06.180 Give them, you know, give them something for their fever, give them something for their flu symptoms, give them something for the sinus infection, give them something for whatever it is that, you know, whatever their problems were.

00:17:14.340 If they're having diarrhea, then you give them something to help with their diarrhea.

00:17:16.820 Whatever their symptoms were, you would treat those symptoms.

00:17:19.760 Well, why weren't we treating those symptoms?

00:17:21.880 We just weren't.

00:17:22.580 It was like all of a sudden there's no treatment.

00:17:24.540 So can I ask, I mean, and it's especially relevant to you because the rest of us are just trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

00:17:31.240 You're a doctor in practice, clinical practice.

00:17:34.680 Right.

00:17:34.820 You're seeing patients, you're a surgeon, and you're a licensed physician.

00:17:39.040 How do you get that guidance?

00:17:41.200 How do you know that?

00:17:42.260 Like who tells you we just don't have treatment for this?

00:17:45.240 Well, I mean, the media was telling us we don't have treatment for it, right?

00:17:48.600 And Fauci was telling us that there's no treatment for it and just wait till you're turning, you know, you turn blue in the face, you can't get up, you're, you know, on death's doorstep and call an ambulance and then we'll treat you and we'll take care of you.

00:17:59.280 But is there a special doctor website you go to?

00:18:01.380 I mean, your neighbors are probably like, hey, you're a doctor.

00:18:03.480 What should I do about this COVID thing?

00:18:04.740 Well, that's right.

00:18:05.240 So people are calling me.

00:18:06.420 Yeah.

00:18:06.600 So I'm treating them the way I would have treated any other flu-like illness.

00:18:10.400 Yeah.

00:18:10.880 That's what I was doing.

00:18:12.300 I have a lot of primary care experience.

00:18:13.780 In addition to my plastic surgery, I was in the military for three years, so I took care of flight squadrons for three years as a primary care doc for, you know, for pilots in a, you know, in a squadron.

00:18:24.620 In addition to taking care of people in a clinic and I moonlighted in emergency rooms at least twice a day or twice a week for, you know, 12, 24-hour shifts.

00:18:33.060 So I did that for eight years, okay?

00:18:35.780 I was going back during my residency.

00:18:37.560 I would leave for a weekend and I would go back to Meridian, Mississippi and I would work from 6 p.m. on a Friday night until 10 a.m. on a Sunday.

00:18:44.780 So I'd leave my training on Friday afternoon on the weekend that I was not on call and I would go and I would work in an emergency room until 10 a.m. on Sunday and get on a flight and go back.

00:18:55.360 So I did that in order to supplement my income, but it also gave me a lot of experience and it gave me, you know, a lot more primary care experience than what we typically would have gotten out of, you know, another surgery resident or plastic surgery resident.

00:19:06.100 So I just fell back on my experience.

00:19:09.860 And, but again, I hated microbiology in medical school, okay?

00:19:13.860 Just, I despised it, didn't like it, looking at, you know, bugs in a microscope and reading.

00:19:20.220 And so I always relied on the pathologist to say, hey, this is your lab test.

00:19:24.540 This is what we grew out of your microbiology sample and then this is what it's sensitive to.

00:19:28.480 And so I go, okay, well, you need that antibiotic.

00:19:30.200 Here you go, okay?

00:19:31.240 Yeah.

00:19:31.420 That was my microbiology experience through practice, okay?

00:19:35.500 But I had to go back and review all that stuff.

00:19:37.580 So I, so I did.

00:19:38.420 And I just, I got online because nothing was online back then when I was in school, but I was just able to get back on there and read articles and read journal articles and get on.

00:19:46.960 I was pulling things from libraries, you know, because I have privileges at a hospital or I did then, I don't anymore, but I did then.

00:19:54.640 So I had access to their library.

00:19:56.100 So I would, I would send them, hey, I want to see this article.

00:19:58.800 Give me the, because I would read the abstract online.

00:20:00.820 I'd go, I want to read this article.

00:20:01.880 So they would send me the article and I'd usually get it within 12 to 24 hours.

00:20:06.600 And so that's what I was doing.

00:20:08.020 I mean, I did that throughout this whole time.

00:20:09.920 And, and I realized that there were a lot of, you know, a lot of discrepancies, let's say, and a lot of lies that I was getting out of Fauci and Birx and all the people that were, you know, that were talking about it.

00:20:23.260 And every once in a while, you would hear something, you know, like a little bleep from Scott Atlas or Paul Alexander, who was in the White House at that time, who were kind of like, you know, like they're on our side, I guess.

00:20:36.280 Yes.

00:20:36.420 Where they would say, hey, this, this really isn't what's happening.

00:20:39.440 So, I mean, I use the analogy a lot with what they told us about COVID with what I had a lot of experience with at that time.

00:20:48.480 And that was breast cancer.

00:20:49.620 So, the analogy to me about no treatment for this disease was analogous to somebody coming to me as a plastic surgeon, as breast cancer surgeon saying, hey, you have a lady here who's got a small little nodule on her breast that we've either seen on mammogram or we felt through a physical exam.

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00:21:25.540 That was the analogy that I was using in explaining this to people when we're telling people that there's no treatment for it.

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00:25:38.940 But that's, even I can understand your reasoning.

00:25:43.240 Yeah.

00:25:43.820 Why didn't 90% of doctors say, hey, we're in the treatment business.

00:25:48.100 That's what we do.

00:25:48.940 And all of a sudden, they're telling us on CNN, we're not allowed to treat this illness.

00:25:53.020 That's a problem.

00:25:55.140 Yeah.

00:25:55.640 It's actually more like 99%.

00:25:57.340 Okay.

00:25:57.940 It's a very small percentage of us.

00:25:59.580 Yeah.

00:25:59.680 I've never been to the doctor again, and I'm not going.

00:26:01.800 Because they so disgrace themselves.

00:26:04.700 Yeah.

00:26:04.880 And I would very much like to see a lot of doctors stand trial for that.

00:26:09.160 But that'll never happen, of course.

00:26:11.560 But anyway, but why didn't, I mean, that's so obvious.

00:26:14.240 So, because they shut us down.

00:26:16.380 I got kicked off of Facebook.

00:26:18.260 I got kicked off of Twitter.

00:26:19.180 I was, you know, posting articles of things that I was reading that, at the time I could

00:26:26.020 find, I've since gone back.

00:26:27.960 And without going back through the Wayback Machine, it's not there.

00:26:31.000 So, they've taken things.

00:26:32.420 They've just completely whitewashed a lot of this stuff.

00:26:35.600 And they were doing that.

00:26:36.460 They were shutting us down.

00:26:37.320 And all these docs out there, Vladimir Zelenko, you know, who passed away from a, you know,

00:26:43.380 a pulmonary angiosarcoma.

00:26:44.740 But, you know, he was one of the first people that I listened to.

00:26:49.480 He's the one that sent that video to Donald Trump.

00:26:51.480 He's the one I believe that Donald Trump saw the video of and came out and spoke in favor

00:26:56.280 of hydroxychloroquine.

00:26:57.560 And then right after that, Fauci, the little gnome, gets up there and goes, oh, this is just

00:27:02.120 anecdotal and hydroxychloroquine doesn't work.

00:27:04.140 Do you know that he wrote an article back in 2007, 2008, espousing the benefits of using

00:27:09.380 hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in the treatment of SARS?

00:27:12.200 Okay.

00:27:12.660 And SARS-1, which is the disease in the early 2000s, has a 73% homology with SARS-2, the

00:27:19.700 virus that they claim that is out there right now.

00:27:22.040 So, 73%.

00:27:22.800 They actually did a study back in 2020 and they took a number of people.

00:27:26.320 I want to say it wasn't a very large number.

00:27:27.700 It might have only been 10 people.

00:27:28.980 But they had 10 people.

00:27:30.020 Then they checked their serology.

00:27:31.240 They checked their blood for antibodies to SARS-1.

00:27:35.500 And they found out that all 10 of those people also had immunity to SARS-2.

00:27:40.780 Okay.

00:27:41.200 There was an article that was published out there.

00:27:42.920 I can't find it anymore.

00:27:44.420 All right.

00:27:45.100 But they checked their blood and they checked antibodies and they checked to see whether

00:27:48.440 in a lab test, obviously.

00:27:50.160 Okay.

00:27:50.320 They didn't infect these people or find a virus.

00:27:52.340 But they checked it against a blood sample of the COVID disease.

00:27:59.000 And they found that they killed the COVID disease.

00:28:01.820 All 10 of them.

00:28:03.080 So, if you survived SARS-1, okay, and you had antibodies to it, which I'm sure it was circulating

00:28:08.840 widely.

00:28:09.760 Okay.

00:28:09.940 And that's a reason why not a lot of people died.

00:28:11.840 They had immunity to SARS-2.

00:28:16.220 But they didn't want that out there.

00:28:17.800 And that was the whole objective is they don't want that information out there.

00:28:20.880 Because if there's treatment, okay, you can't announce for, you can't declare a state of

00:28:26.200 emergency and get the emergency use authorization and then launch the COVID vaccine.

00:28:30.800 I mentioned before that I had three things that I saw that were red flags to me.

00:28:35.040 The first one was the treatment.

00:28:36.140 The second one was every single country, every single government in the world was doing the

00:28:44.960 exact same thing.

00:28:46.500 You and I can't agree on whether you want baked potatoes or sweet potatoes for Thanksgiving

00:28:51.400 dinner.

00:28:52.280 Okay.

00:28:52.540 But yet you have 208 countries that are going to do the exact same thing when everybody

00:28:56.820 was in lockstep.

00:28:58.260 Okay.

00:28:58.980 Absolute everybody is doing the same thing.

00:29:01.000 They're taking these drugs off the market.

00:29:02.940 Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are over the counter in France.

00:29:05.560 And they got taken off the market.

00:29:07.000 Oh yeah.

00:29:07.680 And, you know, we got the, I was ordering hydroxychloroquine for my office.

00:29:12.140 Okay.

00:29:12.660 And for about six months, eight months, I couldn't get it.

00:29:15.760 It was gone.

00:29:16.760 Just, I couldn't order it.

00:29:18.160 I was on back order.

00:29:19.760 It was, you know, I had ordered some because I was having my patients come in and I was treating

00:29:25.140 them in the office with hydroxychloroquine.

00:29:28.200 And I'm not allowed to dispense medications, but I was having them come in because they couldn't

00:29:32.080 get it.

00:29:32.420 But I was writing so many prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine in March, late March, early

00:29:37.900 April of 2020, that the pharmacies, the Walgreens pharmacies that I used a lot of in the town

00:29:43.320 that I'm in right now, they called me and they said, we don't have any more.

00:29:47.580 We can't get any more.

00:29:48.340 I had wiped them out of all their hydroxychloroquine without just writing it for my patients, my

00:29:52.900 family, my friends, and everybody else.

00:29:54.800 Cause I, I was just like, Hey, here's Zelenko's protocol.

00:29:57.580 Okay.

00:29:58.600 Hydroxychloroquine, um, Zithromax, vitamin C, vitamin D and zinc.

00:30:02.260 And I was, and I was just telling everybody, I just, I took exactly what he did and what

00:30:06.540 he was treating.

00:30:06.980 Cause I think he'd treated 800 patients by that time.

00:30:09.160 And he'd only had one patient die.

00:30:10.840 And that patient had only come to him more than three weeks out from starting to, you

00:30:14.500 know, from getting sick.

00:30:16.200 None of his patients had died.

00:30:18.060 None of my patients died.

00:30:19.580 Everybody that I treated and I treated people from 2020 until 2022, 2023.

00:30:25.120 Okay.

00:30:25.600 And I'm still treating occasional patient, um, for COVID.

00:30:29.620 I, I'm, I'm not sure it exists, but, um, but I treat the symptoms, um, and I treat them

00:30:35.460 all the same way.

00:30:36.480 Not one of my patients died.

00:30:37.940 Not one of them went to the hospital.

00:30:39.460 Not one of them got intubated.

00:30:41.040 Okay.

00:30:41.480 Not one of them got any more sick.

00:30:43.120 As a matter of fact, I had, I can't tell you the number of times that somebody would

00:30:45.900 call me and they would take a dose of ivermectin or take a dose of hydroxychloroquine.

00:30:49.840 And within hours, they're like, I can breathe.

00:30:52.580 I can feel better.

00:30:53.580 Okay.

00:30:54.160 Is it a placebo?

00:30:55.060 I don't know.

00:30:55.540 But my point is it happened over and over and over again.

00:30:58.560 Um, and like I said, none of these patients got sick.

00:31:02.560 I've heard that from other physicians, the small number who prescribed that protocol,

00:31:08.340 um, and had similar results.

00:31:11.200 What's interesting about what you're saying is that you believe that the treatment, specific

00:31:17.920 treatments for COVID were banned by governments because they were effective.

00:31:22.520 Yeah.

00:31:22.720 Because if they have a treatment, then they can't, and they can't announce or they can't

00:31:27.180 declare a state of emergency and have an emergency use authorization.

00:31:30.640 That law requires that there is no treatment for them to then put the third flag to me was

00:31:36.840 the vaccine.

00:31:38.000 Nothing's going to get back to normal until you put a needle in everybody's arm.

00:31:41.320 8.4 billion people on this earth need a needle in their arm in order to survive and to be a

00:31:45.580 member of a contributing member of society.

00:31:47.200 So that was strike number three for me.

00:31:48.980 I remember, uh, very early in 2020, um, there was a study out of China that showed that heavy

00:31:54.880 cigarette smokers had a lower mortality rate, which was like kind of unforgettable.

00:32:01.000 I mean, what?

00:32:02.500 It was a, this is a respiratory illness and smokers are doing better than not.

00:32:06.720 Like, what is that?

00:32:07.580 And the conclusion that they reached was that nicotine has some kind of prophylactic effect.

00:32:11.900 I don't, I never followed up, but I did notice that the European union almost immediately

00:32:19.320 banned online sales of nicotine pouches.

00:32:24.140 What?

00:32:26.640 What is that?

00:32:29.940 I mean, you don't want to let your brain go there, but like.

00:32:32.920 Well, again, they'll call it a conspiracy theory, but it's not.

00:32:36.360 It's an actual conspiracy.

00:32:36.940 Well, that's a fact.

00:32:37.640 I mean, that's, I'm just saying what happened.

00:32:39.140 But like, what is that?

00:32:40.080 Right.

00:32:40.440 And, and it's done on purpose because they want to launch this vaccine.

00:32:45.180 That's what they're trying to do.

00:32:47.700 Man.

00:32:48.140 Well, that just raises a whole bunch of other questions that I've been mulling over for

00:32:51.400 the past five years.

00:32:53.340 Um, but anyway, I don't, I'm sorry, I'm stepping on your story.

00:32:55.320 So, um, okay.

00:32:56.840 So you're within two days of taking COVID seriously.

00:33:01.620 Now you flipped your view based on the evidence as a practicing physician, you start prescribing

00:33:07.260 the Zelenko regimen to people.

00:33:08.960 It works.

00:33:10.000 Right.

00:33:10.800 And then the final red flag, the vaccine.

00:33:13.040 Right.

00:33:13.680 What happened?

00:33:14.100 We started hearing about the vaccine probably, I don't know, late spring, early summer, uh,

00:33:20.160 you know, May, April, well, you know, late April, May-ish of, uh, 2020 was when people

00:33:27.060 are like, Hey, I think we're going to get a vaccine and we're going to have something,

00:33:30.120 you know, in short order.

00:33:31.120 Um, and before I knew a whole bunch about it, I don't even know if I'd heard the, the

00:33:35.560 term operation warp speed yet, but you know, I, I, you know, I mentioned earlier that I

00:33:40.860 don't really like vaccines.

00:33:42.020 I don't think they help.

00:33:43.180 Um, I've had arguments with friends, family.

00:33:45.800 I've had arguments with colleagues that I no longer talk to over vaccines.

00:33:49.820 Um, I mean, it's a, it's a cult and they, they say that we're a cult.

00:33:54.160 Um, people that believe in vaccines is a cult.

00:33:56.960 It's a belief system.

00:33:58.360 It's not based on science.

00:34:00.120 It's not based on anything.

00:34:01.880 I got my hepatitis B vaccine when I started medical school in 1989.

00:34:05.960 I got one shot within hours.

00:34:08.520 I had shingles.

00:34:09.480 I mean, a real bad patch of shingles in my left armpit and it hurt like hell.

00:34:14.480 Um, and I just, but I remember it very distinctly.

00:34:17.520 I didn't get the second one.

00:34:18.740 I didn't get the third one.

00:34:20.000 Nobody was chasing me down.

00:34:21.700 Okay.

00:34:21.900 Nobody.

00:34:22.440 So just because I didn't get it, I wasn't like some pariah somewhere in there.

00:34:26.040 But you had a demonstrable vaccine injury.

00:34:27.880 But I had, well, what I felt was a, you know, vaccine injury.

00:34:30.740 I mean, I'm just starting medical school.

00:34:32.320 I don't know, but I'm, I have enough common sense.

00:34:34.840 Okay.

00:34:35.440 To, to know and to think that, Hey, um, you know, the timeliness of this that I, you know,

00:34:41.020 what happened to me?

00:34:41.680 Why am I getting a shingles, you know, eruption when I've never had shingles in my past?

00:34:45.760 And you're a healthy man in your 20s.

00:34:47.340 And I'm a healthy guy in my 20s.

00:34:48.800 I'm playing soccer three days a week.

00:34:50.640 Um, you know, I don't have immune suppression that I'm aware of.

00:34:54.320 I don't have any problems, but I get this huge patch of shingles that hurt like hell.

00:34:58.340 Um, and, uh, you know, and so I just, I refused any other vaccine.

00:35:02.040 And, but I, at the time we're talking, you know, 1989, nobody's chasing me.

00:35:06.680 Now you see people that are kind of like, you know, you see the military, you know, you

00:35:10.060 see her stories.

00:35:10.980 I just heard a story the other day of, um, a guy who was in the army, um, ROTC did nothing

00:35:18.480 but want to be in the army for his whole life.

00:35:21.640 Um, and he joined the army and he was kicked out of the army because he was standing there

00:35:29.240 with his CO with paperwork that said, if you don't get this vaccine and we have to, um,

00:35:35.080 fire you or kick you out of the army, you are going to owe all this money back or you

00:35:39.360 can take this needle.

00:35:41.400 Okay.

00:35:41.760 That's, that was exactly the state that the, what they, you know, bow down before me and

00:35:46.440 all of this will be yours.

00:35:47.580 All it's correct.

00:35:49.360 And, you know, look, and to his credit, he said no.

00:35:52.080 And he signed the papers and he left a funny story.

00:35:55.740 They called him back.

00:35:57.080 Um, you know, just, uh, a year ago and they're down on some deployment in Mexico with his unit.

00:36:03.960 And they called him and said, where are you?

00:36:07.360 Like they had expected him to be there.

00:36:09.320 Okay.

00:36:10.140 We got to go fight the Houthis.

00:36:12.060 Come on.

00:36:13.220 So anyway, um, but because he's so into the army and really liked him, he actually ended

00:36:17.080 up joining again.

00:36:18.140 Um, but my point being is, um, it's yeah.

00:36:22.200 I mean, certainly nicer than me.

00:36:24.380 Um, but, uh, but yeah, but that's the, you know, that, that was the, that, that was the

00:36:29.280 mentality back then where there was just kind of like, okay, you don't want it.

00:36:31.860 You don't have to have it.

00:36:32.580 We're just trying to do it for your best interest, you know, but there was no coercion.

00:36:37.160 There's no, nobody's forcing me to do anything, you know, flip that around.

00:36:41.920 Okay.

00:36:42.340 Where, you know, the first person that I see is Bill Gates saying that, well, nothing's

00:36:46.540 going to be back to normal unless you get a needle in your arm.

00:36:48.920 Well, who the fuck's Bill Gates?

00:36:50.460 Exactly.

00:36:51.040 Is he a doctor?

00:36:51.800 So I, well, I think he slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

00:36:55.740 So that's like kind of the irony here is that we were told, um, you know, for several

00:37:01.500 years to trust the science and to listen to people who actually practice medicine and

00:37:06.540 you're a man of science and you practice medicine, you're a surgeon.

00:37:10.000 So, uh, I would think that your opinion would have more weight than Bill Gates, who's like

00:37:15.260 some autistic rich guy who is really close to Jeffrey Epstein.

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00:38:18.440 and I'm not saying that I have any more, you know, I mean, I'm no more of an expert

00:38:24.640 than anybody else is from the standpoint of being a doctor, okay?

00:38:28.300 But why are some doctors being shut off and some are not?

00:38:30.520 Well, if that's-

00:38:31.180 You know, look, Anthony Fauci never took care of a patient in his life, okay?

00:38:34.660 He did his residency at the NIH.

00:38:36.680 He did his training at the NIH.

00:38:38.260 He's a federal bureaucrat.

00:38:38.960 And he's a bureaucrat, okay?

00:38:42.140 Deborah Burke's the same way.

00:38:43.380 I mean, she did some stuff in the military, but I think she was all kind of all administrative,

00:38:47.280 never took care of patients.

00:38:48.400 And so all of a sudden, we're supposed to trust these people that never,

00:38:51.200 that never been on the front lines, never took care of patients, have never seen an illness,

00:38:55.900 are just looking at it from the standpoint of reading a book or reading an article

00:38:59.220 or listening to some podcast or listening to some, you know, going to some meetings or

00:39:03.360 something like that, okay?

00:39:04.240 And we're, and all of a sudden, these are, you know, the, they, you know, kind of like

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00:39:10.080 I'll tell you, before 2020, I'd been in practice exactly 19 years, okay?

00:39:15.140 I graduated from, I graduated, well, so let's count medical school.

00:39:18.300 I graduated from medical school in 1993, all right?

00:39:21.240 And then from 1993 to 2020, I had been to the CDC website to ask them advice on what I needed

00:39:28.460 to do for my practice exactly zero times, okay?

00:39:32.800 Zero.

00:39:33.800 There's never any reason for anybody, at least my perspective, to go to the CDC.

00:39:38.480 I'm reading articles, I'm listening to my colleagues, I'm talking, you know, I go to

00:39:43.440 meetings, I, you know, I kind of review cases with some of my friends and some of my colleagues

00:39:49.380 about certain things, but I've never, never gone to the CDC.

00:39:53.280 So a practicing physician trying to keep current with the science would have no, which your

00:39:58.360 apparently doing would have no reason to consult CDC.

00:40:01.820 No, none.

00:40:03.640 There's nothing that the CDC is going to put out that is, you know, that is informative

00:40:08.600 to me.

00:40:09.240 Now, maybe they put out stuff for maybe some pediatricians or family practice docs that

00:40:12.820 maybe they follow or something like that, I guess.

00:40:16.420 But, you know.

00:40:18.140 Well, they're liars.

00:40:19.020 I mean, they can't even admit that Lyme was a bioweapon, okay?

00:40:22.680 Which is very obvious to anyone who pays any attention at all.

00:40:26.500 And all these, you know, so they're liars.

00:40:28.480 So they're just discredited, I would say, right there.

00:40:31.740 Well, and you mentioned, boy, you just made me think about something and now I can't think

00:40:37.140 about it.

00:40:37.580 I can't remember what I was.

00:40:38.680 Because you're making it.

00:40:42.300 Oh, oh, oh.

00:40:42.960 The first, the even, the very first, one of the very first articles that was even put

00:40:46.820 out on the CDC website about COVID, okay?

00:40:50.220 About COVID said that of all the people that had supposedly died of COVID, okay, only 6%

00:40:57.500 of them did not have a comorbidity.

00:41:01.120 Meaning that only 6% of the people that they claimed had died from COVID actually died

00:41:07.700 just with COVID.

00:41:08.980 Right.

00:41:09.180 And the rest were in like a motorcycle accident or in stage four pancreatic cancer.

00:41:13.480 Right.

00:41:14.000 Or had two other comorbidities.

00:41:16.120 The average comorbidity was 2.2.

00:41:18.620 So in other words, they had two other diseases that were going on at the same time.

00:41:21.840 Just happened to have advanced COPD.

00:41:24.280 Advanced COPD and heart disease or diabetes or, you know, or morbid obesity or something along

00:41:29.860 those lines.

00:41:30.420 And then they died of COVID.

00:41:32.420 You know, the real answer is they may have died with COVID, okay?

00:41:36.760 But they probably died from something else.

00:41:39.880 And you mentioned that.

00:41:40.640 Well, but I mean, okay, so you're the science, professional science guy.

00:41:44.740 If you catch someone lying, I mean, that like invalidates everything else, doesn't it?

00:41:50.860 It should.

00:41:51.900 I mean, lying is the one thing that's not allowed in science.

00:41:54.780 The process is designed to be for honesty, right?

00:42:00.200 For clarity.

00:42:01.240 Like we can't lie about anything.

00:42:04.680 I thought that was the whole point of science.

00:42:06.900 Yeah.

00:42:07.500 So the whole point of science is not to lie.

00:42:09.400 And the whole point is to never believe that there's not something that can be improved

00:42:14.180 on it.

00:42:14.940 Science is never settled.

00:42:15.560 Including to yourself.

00:42:16.620 You can't lie to yourself.

00:42:17.580 Correct.

00:42:18.060 Science is never settled.

00:42:19.220 And, you know, a number of times where, you know, well, this is settled science.

00:42:24.980 No, it's not.

00:42:26.180 Okay.

00:42:26.500 And I'll tell you, it's a much bigger picture.

00:42:31.800 Okay.

00:42:33.580 Big Pharma, I call them Big Harma.

00:42:36.340 Okay.

00:42:37.620 They own everything.

00:42:39.380 Right.

00:42:39.960 There's a number of journals that have come out, or editors, past chief editors of journals.

00:42:47.160 And we're not talking just, you know, like some throwaway journals.

00:42:50.780 We're talking New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, British Medical Journal.

00:42:54.760 Okay.

00:42:54.940 Some of the biggest journals in the world.

00:42:56.460 Those are top three out of the top four that I just named.

00:42:59.240 Journal of the American Medical Association is the other one.

00:43:02.460 But chief editors in the last 20 years, at least six of them have come out and said that

00:43:08.740 at least 50% of the science that's published is fake.

00:43:13.200 Come on.

00:43:15.420 Read their quotes.

00:43:16.480 It's Marsha Angel is one of them that I can remember her name.

00:43:20.420 There's a guy by the name of Richard something or other from the British Medical Journal who

00:43:23.840 said the same thing.

00:43:25.060 I just read an article about it just the other day.

00:43:27.460 I'll send it to you because it just talks about-

00:43:28.940 I'm not surprised.

00:43:29.500 I mean, the depth of corruption is stunning.

00:43:31.940 And the fact that pretty much nothing's been done about it makes you wonder, you know,

00:43:36.380 how long this can all last.

00:43:37.620 So, back to your story, which I keep distracting from my- I'm sorry, you're making me mad.

00:43:43.360 So, it's hard to keep focused.

00:43:47.280 So, the vaccine is announced.

00:43:50.560 How do you respond to that?

00:43:51.780 What happens next?

00:43:52.500 Well, so for me, the vaccine was fine because I was just telling all my patients, all my

00:43:57.300 friends, all my family, just like I was doing from previous vaccines.

00:44:00.220 So, my daughter was only partially vaccinated.

00:44:02.580 My son was not.

00:44:03.400 I've only had one vaccine in the last 20 years and that was a yellow fever shot so that I

00:44:10.140 can go on a humanitarian trip to go to Ghana.

00:44:11.940 That was it.

00:44:12.620 I tried to bribe the nurse to not give it to me and squirt it in the garbage and she wouldn't

00:44:16.800 do it.

00:44:17.420 But I figured, hey, one shot, maybe.

00:44:19.660 Okay, I'll be all right.

00:44:20.720 I think I am.

00:44:22.500 Some people argue.

00:44:25.340 But when it came out, I was just, you know, I'm just telling everybody, don't take it.

00:44:31.200 It's not worth it.

00:44:32.020 You know, we've been trying to find a vaccine for cancer for 100 years.

00:44:36.780 We've been trying to find a vaccine for AIDS for the last 40.

00:44:39.320 And now, all of a sudden, we're going to find the vaccine for the common cold virus in less

00:44:43.960 than nine months that's been with us since the dawn of time.

00:44:47.720 No.

00:44:49.200 So, I was just really happy just to tell everybody, don't, you know, don't take it.

00:44:53.380 It's not worth it.

00:44:54.540 It's too risky.

00:44:56.180 It's experimental.

00:44:57.740 Just stay away from it.

00:44:59.980 And I thought we were going to be just fine.

00:45:02.020 Um, and nobody wanted to give Donald Trump credit for the vaccine prior to the election.

00:45:07.640 I'm sure you remember that.

00:45:09.100 I do.

00:45:09.380 Um, and then as soon as Biden gets elected, you know, they're like, I'll never take that

00:45:12.480 vaccine.

00:45:12.940 You know, Biden, Kamala Harris are like, oh, that's the Trump vaccine.

00:45:15.880 No way.

00:45:16.180 I'm not going to touch it.

00:45:17.480 January 20th of 2020 comes around.

00:45:19.360 All of a sudden, oh, it's, you know, everybody should get it.

00:45:22.480 It's the greatest thing, you know, and all that.

00:45:24.380 And then, and then when they found out that people were not, did not want it, um, they

00:45:30.520 started forcing it.

00:45:31.600 And they started talking about, well, it's free.

00:45:34.780 You should get it.

00:45:35.900 Um, you see, get, get your free donut, uh, get your free happy meal.

00:45:40.340 Um, you know, all of this stuff that was out there trying to just convince people to get

00:45:45.160 it.

00:45:45.760 California is trying to pass laws so that 13 year old kids could get it without their

00:45:49.040 parents' permission.

00:45:49.880 Um, I mean, there was a case in, uh, Virginia, I believe where a 13 year old kid, uh, 16

00:45:57.480 year old kid actually, um, told the doctor that he didn't want it.

00:46:01.340 The doctor gave it to him anyway, and they ended up filing a lawsuit.

00:46:04.400 And I think they lost that lawsuit.

00:46:06.020 Actually, the family won the lawsuit.

00:46:07.700 Let's say that the doctor did lose that lawsuit.

00:46:09.960 And, um, but, uh, you know, that's, you know, but I was okay.

00:46:14.780 I'm just telling everybody, don't do it.

00:46:17.400 Then the mandates happen.

00:46:19.880 Um, you're not going to be able to go to school without a shot.

00:46:23.080 You're not going to be able to have a job without a shot.

00:46:25.800 You're not going to be able to travel without a shot.

00:46:27.800 So people that whose job depended on them traveling, you're not going to be able to stay

00:46:31.700 in the military without getting your COVID shot.

00:46:34.720 Um, and the worst case to me was people that were mandated to get a potentially dangerous,

00:46:41.740 well, I already knew it was dangerous.

00:46:42.720 I'd already met a number of people that had already been vaccine injured.

00:46:45.420 There were 700 VAERS deaths that were reported.

00:46:48.440 I knew one of them.

00:46:49.440 In January, 2021, I knew someone who dropped dead from it.

00:46:53.780 And there were 700 reported deaths in the month of January alone.

00:46:58.640 Okay.

00:46:59.580 Just in one month.

00:47:01.060 And that's VAERS.

00:47:02.140 That's self-reporting.

00:47:02.900 That's self-reporting.

00:47:04.040 Correct.

00:47:04.560 Okay.

00:47:04.720 Or self-reporting or reported by, you know, a physician.

00:47:08.100 Actually, physicians are actually required to report, um, complications.

00:47:13.360 Okay.

00:47:13.600 It's a, it's a law.

00:47:14.640 You're, you're required to do that.

00:47:16.320 They'll get around it because they'll say, well, I, I didn't really think that it was

00:47:19.640 because of vaccine.

00:47:20.660 We don't know.

00:47:21.320 You know, I mean, we didn't really know, so I didn't report it, but there were 700 reported

00:47:25.560 cases.

00:47:26.140 There was this, there was a Harvard study done in the 2010, 2014, something like that, that

00:47:30.700 said that the VAERS reports under the VAERS, you know, uh, VAERS under reports things

00:47:36.280 by at least one to 10%.

00:47:38.020 Okay.

00:47:38.960 Um, so that means we could have had in the month of January, we could have had 7,000 deaths

00:47:43.740 or 70,000 deaths at a 1% rate.

00:47:46.640 Um, and there's over 40,000 that are not over.

00:47:50.340 Maybe I think we're right at 40,000 now, um, dead, dead that have been reported since

00:47:55.340 January of 21.

00:47:56.520 Okay.

00:47:57.000 So that means we either have 400,000 or 4 million deaths.

00:48:00.780 Okay.

00:48:01.320 Uh, according, just according to those numbers.

00:48:03.520 Um, but again, so the mandates come out and I said that the last straw for me, not straw,

00:48:08.340 but I mean, the last thing was when they were requiring people to get a transplant.

00:48:12.740 If you want a transplant, you need a kidney transplant in order to survive.

00:48:16.040 You've got to go get the COVID vaccine.

00:48:18.280 The official story on 9-11 is a complete lie.

00:48:22.260 The 9-11 report is a joke.

00:48:24.500 You have the CIA following two men all over the planet and then eventually even to America,

00:48:31.700 right?

00:48:32.140 And you don't tell the FBI.

00:48:34.320 9-11 commission, cover.

00:48:41.420 So what did happen?

00:48:43.100 What did the government know?

00:48:44.840 What did foreign governments know?

00:48:46.800 There was a cover up.

00:48:48.320 Why?

00:48:49.060 It's been nearly 25 years.

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00:49:09.300 So that's why, so, you know, if I were running things, I would find out who made that decision

00:49:23.120 and they'd be punished for it.

00:49:24.820 They'd be on trial for that.

00:49:26.080 I mean, that's the cruelest thing I can imagine.

00:49:28.200 We covered that at the time.

00:49:29.200 I couldn't believe.

00:49:30.440 That's when you sort of lose faith in like your country's systems.

00:49:33.700 Right.

00:49:33.860 If that's the result, if someone can actually reach that conclusion and everyone around

00:49:38.760 them is like, oh, no, good plan.

00:49:40.040 Let's have people die.

00:49:41.400 Right.

00:49:41.900 Unless they take this vax, which we're supposedly giving because it's life-saving.

00:49:45.800 We're going to just kill people if they want to obey.

00:49:48.580 That's the point where you're like, we need a new system because that's evil.

00:49:52.460 Well, we live in a system where if something works, everybody wants it.

00:50:00.420 If something is good, everybody's going to pay for it and everybody's going to want to

00:50:04.520 have it.

00:50:04.780 Exactly right.

00:50:05.380 Okay.

00:50:05.680 But when you're coercing people and forcing people to do it, there's got to be something

00:50:10.060 wrong.

00:50:10.640 Yeah.

00:50:10.940 Okay.

00:50:11.240 And I don't know, we talked about this briefly earlier.

00:50:14.060 Um, I don't know how, as a physician, you can feel comfortable injecting a product into

00:50:22.920 somebody's arm that you don't even know what's in it.

00:50:26.340 Okay.

00:50:26.980 The product, the product, the product data sheet, the safety data sheet that comes with

00:50:31.980 it, you unfold it.

00:50:33.420 It's this thing folded up in this box.

00:50:35.560 Origami.

00:50:36.080 Okay.

00:50:36.380 It's like an origami and you unfold it and it says intentionally left blank on the front

00:50:41.600 and back.

00:50:42.100 And so you have doctors that are taking that vial that's in the same box, reconstituting

00:50:48.140 it and then injecting it into people's arms.

00:50:51.440 What did you just inject?

00:50:53.460 What did you just give them?

00:50:55.260 How do you know that it's safe?

00:50:56.940 Where's the information?

00:50:57.960 Where's the data?

00:50:58.500 Because we're talking 2021, right?

00:51:00.360 There is no science, no data, nothing has been published and nothing was going to get

00:51:05.580 published until Aaron Seary filed that FOIA request and that lawsuit and the government

00:51:11.020 required it to be published over the course of the next nine months.

00:51:14.580 So none of this information was even available until 2022.

00:51:19.300 Okay.

00:51:19.520 And we still don't really know what's in these products.

00:51:22.740 Okay.

00:51:23.140 Everybody's talking about the lipid nanoparticle.

00:51:24.980 Everybody's talking about the product, the mRNA and all of that stuff that's in these

00:51:33.040 injections, all of the animal studies on the mRNA, all the animals died.

00:51:39.120 Okay.

00:51:39.400 And one of the last articles that I read on it said, this is not ready for human use yet.

00:51:46.360 Okay.

00:51:46.700 And now, you know, nine months later, a year later, okay, we're injecting it into 8.4 billion

00:51:53.760 people on this earth when it's not ready for human use.

00:51:57.420 And yet we've transitioned, okay, to giving it to every human because Anthony Fauci says

00:52:03.720 that the science is settled and that he is Mr. Science.

00:52:07.240 He is science itself.

00:52:08.980 He is science.

00:52:10.440 Yeah.

00:52:10.960 So how, okay.

00:52:13.660 So your perspective is really clear.

00:52:17.440 It's obvious you feel a moral duty to do the right thing by your patients.

00:52:21.740 The mandates come down.

00:52:23.440 Where does that leave you?

00:52:25.260 Well, so that's when I made a decision to do something.

00:52:27.560 And my decision at that point was I signed up with the Utah Health Department to become

00:52:32.960 a vaccine clinic.

00:52:34.760 I've never given vaccines before, but I signed up and said that I can probably treat this number

00:52:40.280 of people.

00:52:40.820 They gave me, you know, gave me the form to sign.

00:52:43.500 We signed it.

00:52:44.280 I became a vaccine provider for the COVID vaccine.

00:52:48.240 And instead of giving the COVID vaccine, I gave saline shots to kids and I just gave the

00:52:51.980 cards to their parents.

00:52:54.160 How hard was it for you to reach that decision, that conclusion that you were willing to do

00:52:58.860 that?

00:52:58.880 I truly thought that this was just a decision between my patients.

00:53:02.060 They're giving me a product to use that they want me to use, but I chose not to use it because

00:53:06.520 I didn't think that the science supported it.

00:53:08.040 And my patients were coming to me and agreed with my assessment.

00:53:13.120 And therefore they, you know, they, I gave them full informed consent and I would show

00:53:17.520 them the sheet and a piece of paper says intentionally left blank.

00:53:20.940 Do you want me to inject this into your body?

00:53:22.680 Okay.

00:53:23.060 And anybody who's got any common sense is going to say no.

00:53:25.820 All right.

00:53:26.320 And that's exactly right.

00:53:27.320 So you come to me as a patient and you say, Hey, I have questions about this vaccine.

00:53:32.340 Should I take it?

00:53:33.900 Okay.

00:53:34.320 And I give you my, my opinion.

00:53:36.560 My professional opinion is all of the animals that they treated mRNA products with lipid nanoparticles

00:53:41.700 died.

00:53:42.320 They said that it wasn't ready for human use.

00:53:44.480 Nine months later saying now it's ready for human use in spite of the fact that we don't

00:53:48.140 have any human studies in between this.

00:53:50.180 And we don't know what the studies are that they have done.

00:53:52.280 Um, and here's your product data sheet that says it's intentionally left blank.

00:53:56.520 Would you like me to inject this into your arm?

00:53:59.240 Anybody with common sense is going to say, no, thank you.

00:54:02.160 Um, and so I didn't.

00:54:03.300 And I truly thought that I was taking care of my patient full informed consent.

00:54:08.820 Um, I'm abiding by my Hippocratic oath because like you, we just talked about this.

00:54:12.620 We already knew that a lot of people had died.

00:54:14.680 Okay.

00:54:15.100 You knew somebody personally in January 21 that, you know, killed over dead.

00:54:19.120 I didn't know anybody personally at that time.

00:54:21.080 I knew some people that had been injured from it.

00:54:22.940 I did not know anybody personally, but I'm looking at the numbers.

00:54:25.640 Okay.

00:54:25.860 And I'm like 700 people.

00:54:27.680 I mean, they're the, the average number of people I think that have been reported deaths

00:54:32.540 reported for all vaccines combined per month, um, was probably in the low, low double digits.

00:54:39.780 Okay.

00:54:40.440 Prior to January of 21.

00:54:43.200 All right.

00:54:43.880 In one month, we have 700 that are reported.

00:54:48.480 1900, 19,000 adverse events by April.

00:54:52.700 That number was 1700.

00:54:55.620 Okay.

00:54:56.140 And I went back dead, dead.

00:54:58.580 Okay.

00:54:59.500 Reported to VAERS at a 1% to 10% number.

00:55:03.340 Okay.

00:55:03.820 So we're talking about 17,000 or 1.7 million people or 170,000 people.

00:55:08.180 Sorry.

00:55:08.820 Um, so 17,000 to 170,000 by April of that, of just three months later.

00:55:13.720 Can you explain informed consent?

00:55:17.380 My understanding was informed consent, the idea came out of, or was certainly bolstered

00:55:22.060 by the experience of the Nuremberg trials.

00:55:26.000 And we learned that the Nazi medical program, which really was one of the worst things about

00:55:29.580 Nazi Germany was the way physicians treated patients, murdered a lot of them.

00:55:34.720 But, um, after that, the American Medical Association made a really clear statement about the moral

00:55:43.500 requirement and legal requirement for doctors to tell their patients the potential consequences

00:55:47.900 of, of the treatment.

00:55:49.360 Is, is, is that?

00:55:50.080 That's informed consent.

00:55:51.160 Correct.

00:55:51.400 That's informed consent.

00:55:52.040 You have a right to know.

00:55:53.180 Well, you, I mean, you have a right to know, and I have a right to tell you.

00:55:56.400 I mean, I have, I have to tell you.

00:55:58.060 You have an obligation.

00:55:58.560 I have an obligation to tell you, not just the right.

00:56:00.340 I have an obligation to tell you, Hey, look, this is what I think your treatment should

00:56:04.040 be.

00:56:04.520 Okay.

00:56:04.640 First of all, you're coming to me with these symptoms.

00:56:07.440 Okay.

00:56:08.020 And I'm telling you what I think that it is.

00:56:10.340 And then this is what I propose as a treatment.

00:56:12.720 Okay.

00:56:13.280 And this treatment has these side effects and has these potential benefits.

00:56:18.440 That's, that's informed consent.

00:56:20.020 Okay.

00:56:20.640 Across the board.

00:56:21.480 And I've been doing that for years.

00:56:23.420 I mean, I can't go to surgery without informed consent.

00:56:25.760 Okay.

00:56:26.020 I have a five page informed consent form for my surgeries, whatever surgery it is that I'm

00:56:30.320 doing.

00:56:30.720 This is a risk.

00:56:31.500 This is what I've, you know, this is what I'm doing.

00:56:33.280 And this is the reasons why we're doing it.

00:56:34.740 This is what you agree to doing.

00:56:36.000 But these are the risks that are involved with that.

00:56:38.000 Okay.

00:56:38.240 I do it every single day.

00:56:40.000 And that's part of medicine.

00:56:41.340 That's part of what we were taught.

00:56:43.040 It's part of the legal side of medicine too.

00:56:44.920 If I don't do informed consent to my patients and then they have a complication and they sue

00:56:49.560 me and there's no informed consent on the chart.

00:56:51.860 Well, I'm screwed.

00:56:53.120 As you should be.

00:56:54.000 And, you know, but why aren't we, why was nobody in this case, nobody's given informed consent.

00:56:58.860 How do you give informed consent on something that you don't even know what's in it?

00:57:03.180 I mean, that to me is the, the, one of the number one things that I'm just sitting here

00:57:07.860 going.

00:57:08.360 But where are all the other doctors?

00:57:09.520 I mean, so you're describing a system that was in place pre-COVID in which informed consent

00:57:15.880 is the very center of the process.

00:57:18.180 Like you don't get to cut on somebody ever without this formal process.

00:57:24.240 Like here are the potential consequences.

00:57:26.060 So, but everybody, every doctor knows this, right?

00:57:28.380 Right.

00:57:28.660 And it's supposed to be for medications.

00:57:29.880 It's supposed to be for vaccines.

00:57:31.760 It's supposed to be for injections.

00:57:33.020 Any treatment.

00:57:33.580 For every, any treatment.

00:57:34.840 Correct.

00:57:35.620 But every doctor does this.

00:57:37.900 They're supposed to.

00:57:38.760 It's required by law.

00:57:39.980 It is required.

00:57:40.920 So all of a sudden you have every doctor participating in this vaccine program effectively.

00:57:47.700 Right.

00:57:48.340 And this is the one treatment that doesn't require informed consent.

00:57:51.900 And you're, you're the only one who notices this.

00:57:53.900 I mean, what?

00:57:56.860 I'm not the only one that noticed it.

00:57:58.320 There were a lot of people that didn't notice it.

00:57:59.020 No, I know, but.

00:58:00.460 But no, I get it.

00:58:02.320 But you know what?

00:58:03.100 This is the problem with vaccines.

00:58:04.680 Okay.

00:58:05.140 You don't get informed consent, even with any vaccine.

00:58:07.940 You go in and talk to your doctor about the DPT vaccine, or you go in and talk to them

00:58:12.540 about the hep B vaccine.

00:58:13.500 But now, by the way, I talked to you about before hep B vaccine, okay, was given to me

00:58:17.120 when I was, you know, 20 years old or, I'm sorry, 24 years old when I started medical

00:58:21.560 school, okay?

00:58:22.960 Because I was an at-risk person.

00:58:24.880 You know what it's given now?

00:58:26.620 Day one of birth.

00:58:28.220 Okay.

00:58:28.880 Day one of birth.

00:58:30.500 You were an at-risk person because you were dealing with body fluids as a physician.

00:58:34.620 Correct.

00:58:35.440 Right.

00:58:35.720 And you can be infected.

00:58:36.540 But why, but now, in the 35 years since, it's required for every child born in the United

00:58:43.580 States.

00:58:44.020 Yes.

00:58:44.260 They get one on day one of birth.

00:58:45.560 They get another one a month later, and they get another one six months later.

00:58:50.340 And that's because it's a captive audience.

00:58:54.000 That's the only reason.

00:58:55.620 How many babies are going to be IV drug abusers or go out and have unprotected sex or get a

00:59:01.620 blood transfusion from somebody who's infected?

00:59:04.420 And by the way, some of the pediatricians will tell you, well, mom could have had hepatitis

00:59:09.760 B, and therefore you're trying to, you know, prevent the baby from getting it.

00:59:14.620 Well, mom was tested for hepatitis during a pregnancy.

00:59:18.420 So you would have known if they had hepatitis and hepatitis B.

00:59:22.680 And so then you would have been able to either treat it or do something about it or maybe prophylax

00:59:26.760 the baby at that point.

00:59:27.400 Why would pediatricians go along with that?

00:59:30.540 They, to put it bluntly, money.

00:59:39.080 Why are they allowed to practice medicine with those attitudes?

00:59:41.600 No, I'm serious.

00:59:47.440 Why doesn't the FBI raid their offices?

00:59:49.400 If they're giving infants treatment that the infant doesn't need that has potentially

00:59:55.260 harmful consequences and they're doing it for money, then they're criminals.

01:00:00.020 You're absolutely right.

01:00:01.480 And not only are they doing it for money, but they don't even know what it is that they're

01:00:04.400 doing.

01:00:04.720 Do you know the average, there's two hepatitis B vaccines that are in the United States right

01:00:08.560 now, okay, that are in use, you know, what the long-term, the follow-up study on those

01:00:13.700 two hepatitis B vaccines is four days for one, five days for the other, four-day follow-up

01:00:21.100 on one, five-day follow-up.

01:00:22.700 Where's the longitudinal study?

01:00:24.220 They haven't done it.

01:00:25.700 How can that be?

01:00:27.400 That's the vaccine industry in 1986, when they got liability, okay.

01:00:33.640 Starting in about 19.

01:00:34.840 Liability protection.

01:00:35.800 Liability protection.

01:00:36.760 Correct.

01:00:37.280 Sorry.

01:00:37.560 When they got liability, full liability protection, okay.

01:00:41.860 The one that you don't have and that I don't have, but only Albert Bourla has.

01:00:44.460 Nobody else that I know of has this right now.

01:00:46.100 In the world.

01:00:46.780 In the world, in any industry, okay.

01:00:49.680 Nobody.

01:00:50.980 But the pharmaceutical companies do on all vaccines.

01:00:53.880 Because it's life-saving, but you can live without vaccines.

01:00:56.740 You can't live without food.

01:00:57.900 I've never known of a baby that was born with a vaccine deficiency, okay.

01:01:01.220 Right.

01:01:01.760 But I'm just saying like, why don't the food, you know, one of the big ag companies, what

01:01:06.420 doesn't your family farm have full liability protection?

01:01:09.880 Because, I mean, talk about a life-saving industry.

01:01:12.800 Right.

01:01:13.320 But they don't have it.

01:01:14.280 No.

01:01:14.880 Only the vaccine makers have it.

01:01:16.640 Correct.

01:01:17.480 Right.

01:01:17.880 Okay.

01:01:18.500 And Ronald Reagan, I think he, there's a quote saying that it was probably one of the one,

01:01:23.440 one of the one laws that he signed that he regretted signing.

01:01:26.760 For what it's worth.

01:01:30.120 It wasn't a great second term, I would say.

01:01:32.440 It was not.

01:01:33.220 No.

01:01:34.680 Yeah.

01:01:35.380 Anyway, I don't want to be mean.

01:01:36.560 I like Ronald Reagan, I guess, but.

01:01:37.780 No, I do too.

01:01:38.340 I'm not, again.

01:01:39.200 Yeah, but.

01:01:39.740 Nobody's perfect.

01:01:40.380 What is that?

01:01:41.140 What is that?

01:01:41.640 A lot of these laws were signed by Republican presidents.

01:01:43.920 Yes.

01:01:44.740 The PrEP Act was signed by George Washington.

01:01:46.240 It does make you want another party, actually.

01:01:49.140 Whatever.

01:01:49.680 But that's not the scope of this interview, doctor.

01:01:51.400 Okay, so there's no informed consent for any vaccine, given, is your point.

01:01:58.300 So, correct, because there's never, there are no long-term studies on any vaccines.

01:02:03.900 And there are actually no placebo-controlled studies on any current vaccines that are on

01:02:10.720 the market right now.

01:02:12.780 Come on.

01:02:14.040 Again, not one current vaccine that is on the children's schedule has ever been studied

01:02:23.720 against a placebo.

01:02:24.960 But I thought that that was a prerequisite.

01:02:27.280 It is a prerequisite.

01:02:28.360 For science.

01:02:29.380 It is a prerequisite for science, and it's not been done.

01:02:32.320 Why?

01:02:36.240 In a nutshell, they put out something, they will do a short-term study on something, they

01:02:41.660 will proclaim that it's safe and effective.

01:02:44.040 And when they put it on the childhood vaccine schedule, they will then use that fact that

01:02:50.360 it's on the schedule as an ethical, moral foundation, that if you don't, because they've

01:02:55.800 declared it safe and effective, they will use that as a moral foundation to say you cannot

01:03:01.520 withhold, you cannot safely or ethically withhold it from giving it.

01:03:05.840 It's tautological.

01:03:06.900 Correct.

01:03:07.180 It's safe because it's safe.

01:03:08.460 It's safe because it's safe, and it's effective because it's safe.

01:03:11.960 And it's effective because it's effective, okay?

01:03:17.500 And you can't keep it from babies, and you can't keep it from anybody.

01:03:21.280 This is why logic needs to be a requirement in school.

01:03:25.220 Right.

01:03:25.920 It's safe because we said it's safe.

01:03:27.720 Correct.

01:03:28.040 Therefore, it's so safe, by definition, it's safe because we declared it safe, that testing

01:03:32.280 testing for its safety would be a violation of safety.

01:03:36.280 Well, it would be a violation of safety.

01:03:37.980 And it would be an ethical and moral threshold that we do not want to cover.

01:03:45.140 Right.

01:03:45.360 It would be immoral to find out if it's actually safe because the process of finding out would

01:03:49.420 require us to withhold it from certain people.

01:03:51.820 Correct.

01:03:52.220 Which is immoral.

01:03:53.000 Which is immoral.

01:03:55.660 Holy shit.

01:03:56.880 That is...

01:03:57.560 Okay.

01:03:57.820 So, I always say of doctors, and again, there's probably no group I dislike more in the world

01:04:03.380 than doctors just because I think they've really misused their authority and fallen so short.

01:04:10.440 But I always say to myself, anyway, having known a lot of doctors, they're all smart.

01:04:15.080 I mean, it's pretty hard to get into med school.

01:04:16.620 It's hard to get through residency, all the rest.

01:04:18.820 But now you're convincing me that a lot of them must not be smart because that's just

01:04:23.420 like basic logic right there.

01:04:25.700 It is basic logic.

01:04:28.120 Unfortunately, they've been brainwashed, okay, into believing that they are safe and effective.

01:04:34.380 And not all of them will go back and look at the science.

01:04:38.080 It takes time.

01:04:39.040 It takes effort.

01:04:39.780 It takes an ability.

01:04:40.820 You end up, you know, you kind of get into this, you get into this routine in your life

01:04:46.820 where, you know, you trust the people that are coming to you and trust them that the studies

01:04:51.160 that they're giving you are appropriate and that they're true and they're not fake.

01:04:54.480 And the evidence that they're showing you is, you know, is the correct evidence.

01:04:59.680 We already talked about, you know, half of the evidence, at least half of the evidence

01:05:02.500 that is being published.

01:05:03.840 Look, it's a captured industry, okay?

01:05:07.580 The people that are making the drugs are the ones that study the drugs and then are the ones

01:05:12.080 that publish the results, okay?

01:05:14.200 The New England Journal of Medicine, the Journal of the American Medical Association, the British

01:05:20.260 Medical Journal, and the Lancet, all those top four journals from 2020 to 2022, they, you,

01:05:26.920 when you go through a peer review process and you submit your journals to them to be reviewed,

01:05:30.900 to get published, those reviewers, okay, were paid $1.06 billion in three years, okay, by the

01:05:40.720 pharmaceutical industry.

01:05:42.140 And that's a number that's out there that's just recently been published.

01:05:45.200 $1.06 billion was given to those people that reviewed those journal articles for publication.

01:05:52.980 Those are the peers in the peer-reviewed study.

01:05:55.960 Correct.

01:05:57.120 The peers are all on the take.

01:05:59.400 They're all on the take.

01:06:00.640 And they were also given research grants and the average research grant, the average research

01:06:04.400 grant was $153,000, okay?

01:06:07.680 By pharma.

01:06:08.660 By pharma.

01:06:09.220 By pharma.

01:06:10.720 So, so they, they do the study, they, they design a study, they pay the study investigators,

01:06:20.580 they collate the data and pay the people that are reviewing it for publication in the journal

01:06:27.880 that they own.

01:06:29.960 Essentially, they own.

01:06:31.220 Because the journals get money on, the majority of their money they get money is on preprints

01:06:37.040 or on reprints.

01:06:37.920 So, the pharmaceutical companies will pay the journal X amount of money for a reprint and

01:06:45.160 they give those reprints to then give them out to doctor's offices through their pharmaceutical

01:06:49.420 representatives that go out to the offices, go walk into a, you know, into a pediatrician

01:06:54.820 office and hand out six preprints or, sorry, reprints.

01:06:58.340 And they give them these reprints that they've paid for from the pharmacy or from the journals.

01:07:02.660 And that's how these journals, the majority of their money comes from these reprints.

01:07:07.720 It's, it's, it's such a closed system.

01:07:10.260 It's just astonishing.

01:07:12.020 And it's astounding.

01:07:12.600 But you're the criminal here.

01:07:13.620 I just want to remind you.

01:07:14.680 I know.

01:07:15.220 Yeah.

01:07:15.440 Thank you.

01:07:15.920 I don't, please don't tell me that.

01:07:17.980 Just want to reorient your moral universe a little bit.

01:07:20.480 You doctor are the criminal.

01:07:21.460 So, so the mandates come, you are registered with the state of Utah as a vaccine dispensary

01:07:28.640 or as a physician.

01:07:29.900 As a vaccine provider, yeah.

01:07:31.040 Provides vaccines.

01:07:32.800 Your patients come, you give them, to the extent you can, all the information that you

01:07:37.200 have about these products.

01:07:39.160 There's not a lot, but you tell them what you know, and then you give them the option

01:07:43.700 because it's their body, their choice.

01:07:45.740 Right.

01:07:45.980 Uh, about whether or not to take the vax.

01:07:49.180 Where's the, okay.

01:07:50.280 So this is obviously you're serving your patients.

01:07:52.360 I wish you'd been in my neighborhood at the time.

01:07:54.600 Um, how do you get in trouble for that?

01:07:58.140 Um, well, because I didn't do what they wanted me to do.

01:08:02.300 Who's they?

01:08:03.320 The government.

01:08:04.180 So you, you made a very good, you know, astute comment.

01:08:08.660 I went to the state health department in Utah to become a vaccine provider.

01:08:12.960 Um, but yet the federal government came after me.

01:08:15.320 So in January of 2023, um, on January 11th, um, I had 10 or 11 officers show up in my office.

01:08:23.520 Um, they didn't have their guns drawn like they did with Roger Stone.

01:08:26.460 Okay.

01:08:26.600 What kind of officers?

01:08:27.480 Uh, FBI, HHS.

01:08:30.120 Um, it was the OIG's office of the HHS and DHS, Department of Homeland Security.

01:08:35.700 They, they love having their task forces.

01:08:37.440 So they established a task force.

01:08:39.680 Such buffoons.

01:08:40.460 So they established a task force sometime in 2022 because they heard about me providing these saline shots and, and COVID cards without a shot.

01:08:50.480 Um, so they showed up in January, served it, uh, in January 23 and they served a search warrant on me and on my office manager for our phones.

01:08:58.280 Um, they confiscated our phones.

01:09:00.940 Um.

01:09:01.180 Like your cell phone?

01:09:02.160 Mm-hmm.

01:09:02.900 It took your cell phone?

01:09:03.800 It took my cell phone.

01:09:05.180 What if you just say no?

01:09:07.140 Um, well, they had a search warrant.

01:09:08.660 So they had a legal.

01:09:09.940 Well, how about no?

01:09:11.220 It's all fake.

01:09:12.200 I guess.

01:09:12.520 They have a search warrant.

01:09:13.540 Okay.

01:09:14.000 You and your fake government.

01:09:15.460 Back off.

01:09:16.920 Well, I tried that and I'll tell you that later.

01:09:18.680 Okay.

01:09:19.140 Okay.

01:09:20.400 I have a search warrant.

01:09:22.020 Right.

01:09:22.140 Safe and effective search warrant.

01:09:23.760 Well, and then they tried to get me to open up my phone, um, so that they could access it.

01:09:27.740 They actually never did get into my phone, um, because they didn't have the password and Apple wouldn't give it to me.

01:09:31.840 So what did you say?

01:09:33.160 I just said no.

01:09:34.800 I said, I don't know my password and I'm not going to give it to you.

01:09:36.920 What did they say?

01:09:38.220 They said, well, um, they, they actually said, well, it could go a lot easier on you if you give us access.

01:09:44.440 I said, nah, no, thanks.

01:09:45.840 It's going to be hard enough.

01:09:46.720 Bo Hicca.

01:09:47.300 It's going to be, it's going to be hard enough as it is anyway.

01:09:50.220 Um, but it, but it was funny because I.

01:09:52.200 I'm sorry.

01:09:52.760 I just want to linger on this point for one second.

01:09:54.520 So you're, you're like a physician practicing medicine and the FBI shows up with a task force at your office.

01:09:59.860 What did you think?

01:10:01.240 Uh, well, my office manager came back to my office all in a panic, you know, completely, you know, white faced, said the FBI is here.

01:10:08.340 And I said, what are they here for?

01:10:10.860 Um.

01:10:11.200 You had no warning.

01:10:11.980 No warning.

01:10:13.040 Um, and, uh, she said, well, they're here to serve it.

01:10:15.840 They want your phone and my phone.

01:10:16.980 And they're, it's a search warrant.

01:10:18.840 Um, and I go, oh, okay.

01:10:21.720 Um, did they tell you what it's about?

01:10:23.480 And she's like, no.

01:10:25.240 And go around to the front and they're sitting there talking to Sandra who was, that was Carrie.

01:10:30.180 Uh, and they were sitting there talking to Sandra at the front desk.

01:10:33.300 Um, and they were trying to get her to, you know, to spill the beans on stuff.

01:10:37.680 They were just questioning her.

01:10:38.980 Um, and, uh, and Sandra was just, you know, I, I don't know.

01:10:43.160 I don't know.

01:10:43.620 I don't know.

01:10:44.080 Just, you know, doing, you know, doing the right thing, really.

01:10:47.040 Just not answering any questions.

01:10:47.840 I like Sandra.

01:10:48.780 Just hearing, go Sandra.

01:10:51.540 Um, and, uh, um, and so anyway, so, um, they served a search warrant.

01:10:57.820 They took my phone.

01:10:58.540 They took Carrie's phone.

01:11:00.000 Um, and you never gave him the password.

01:11:01.680 I never gave him the password.

01:11:03.320 Um, there is a.

01:11:05.300 They just walk on.

01:11:06.080 They could just show up and walk off with your phone.

01:11:08.140 Yeah.

01:11:10.540 People keep a lot of personal stuff on their phones.

01:11:13.180 A lot of personal stuff.

01:11:13.860 I do not.

01:11:14.840 But I'm just saying.

01:11:15.980 You don't anymore.

01:11:16.580 The average.

01:11:17.460 I don't know.

01:11:18.240 I've had my phone taken.

01:11:19.980 So I know.

01:11:20.880 But, um, yeah, just, just a quick sidebar.

01:11:24.520 If you're involved in any job that's even remotely controversial, do not keep personal

01:11:30.840 stuff on your phone.

01:11:31.600 Sorry.

01:11:32.640 Everyone should know that.

01:11:34.420 Anyway, don't go to any website that you wouldn't want your mom to know about.

01:11:38.720 Just stay clean digitally.

01:11:40.700 That would be my strong advice.

01:11:42.300 So, um, wow, that's totally crazy.

01:11:45.280 So how did you respond to these?

01:11:48.040 Come in.

01:11:48.380 They take your phones and then.

01:11:49.680 So I called my attorney.

01:11:50.640 My attorney showed up.

01:11:51.720 I mean, he's not a criminal attorney.

01:11:53.020 He was just my real estate guy.

01:11:54.520 You know, so he, he shows up, um, and.

01:11:59.140 Doing a title search.

01:12:00.580 I know.

01:12:01.060 It's kind of like, hey, uh, what's, what's wrong with this contract here?

01:12:05.980 Um, but, uh, you know, and he was, he was good.

01:12:08.820 He was just said, hey, look, Kirk, don't say anything.

01:12:10.520 Just, you know, and so we gave him my phone.

01:12:12.980 Uh, and, uh, and like I said, they never got into mine.

01:12:16.560 Um, they do have a program that can kind of get into phones, but it takes probably three

01:12:23.460 or four years of the operating system in order for them to hack into it.

01:12:27.820 Um, so my phone was still new enough to where they weren't able to get into it even, you

01:12:32.700 know, up to the, you know, up to January or July of this year.

01:12:36.280 Um, so.

01:12:37.200 I think we need some way to like blow up your phone the second the FBI start knocking.

01:12:43.000 Well, there is a way that you can do that now.

01:12:44.480 Not blow it up.

01:12:45.380 You can't.

01:12:45.940 No, you heard about that once in, in, in, was it Israel, whatever, where they had the,

01:12:49.760 where, where they actually had something in it where they could actually make the thing

01:12:53.260 catch on fire.

01:12:54.580 No, but I want that.

01:12:55.840 So there was something that they did that they put in, in the cell phones.

01:13:00.240 I don't know if it was Apple phones or if it was Android versions or what, but they had

01:13:04.080 something in there that they had, um, that they had supposedly put in the phones and then

01:13:09.860 given them to some terrorists or something.

01:13:11.660 And they were able to kind of make the phone blow up.

01:13:14.180 You didn't hear about that?

01:13:14.980 Oh, they're the, the pagers.

01:13:16.660 Oh, was it pagers?

01:13:17.760 I thought it was cell phones.

01:13:18.460 Yeah, yeah, it was the pagers.

01:13:19.460 Oh, I thought it was pagers.

01:13:20.140 Okay, sorry about that.

01:13:20.880 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:21.660 So blew the genitals off a thousand people simultaneously.

01:13:24.800 Um, so no, uh, that, I don't know that there's any like domestically available.

01:13:32.240 Well, but you can actually erase your phone.

01:13:34.560 Yeah.

01:13:34.940 You can, if you, if you lose your phone, you can get, if it's an iPhone, then you can actually

01:13:38.900 get on it and you can, uh, and you say, I lost my phone.

01:13:43.320 It's permanently lost.

01:13:44.660 Um, and you can, you can erase everything on there.

01:13:47.160 Did you do so?

01:13:47.840 No, I did not because I didn't want to get in trouble for that, for tampering with evidence

01:13:52.900 or, you know, whatever.

01:13:54.000 Tampering with evidence.

01:13:54.800 Okay.

01:13:55.580 But I did not do it.

01:13:56.980 So when did you learn what you're going to be charged with?

01:14:00.180 Um, a week later, um, I learned about it in a email that I got, um, from a reputation

01:14:07.360 website that published a article by heavy.com that had seen something on the DOJ that the

01:14:15.500 DOJ had announced the indictment.

01:14:16.980 And I never got served.

01:14:18.400 I never got paperwork.

01:14:19.540 I never got subpoena.

01:14:20.700 I never, nope.

01:14:22.080 Um, and I, you know, I actually, uh, none of us did.

01:14:27.540 Um.

01:14:27.840 Um, so you first heard from some company that like repairs damaged reputations.

01:14:32.540 Yes.

01:14:34.100 From like Harvey Weinstein's publicist, basically.

01:14:36.860 It's like, okay.

01:14:38.800 Now that you're a bad person, you should hire us.

01:14:41.000 You should hire us to help you with that.

01:14:42.360 Are you serious?

01:14:42.860 Yeah.

01:14:43.000 So it was a heavy.com article that was kind of regurgitating what the DOJ had said in their

01:14:47.280 press release.

01:14:48.220 But no one had ever sent you the press release or informed you.

01:14:50.540 No.

01:14:52.060 What, what country is this?

01:14:53.720 I think we still live in the United States.

01:14:55.680 Barely.

01:14:56.220 Yeah.

01:14:56.640 Wow.

01:14:57.400 Wow.

01:14:59.120 Wow.

01:14:59.740 Yeah.

01:15:00.020 By the way, did you have any patients in the office when the FBI barged in?

01:15:03.380 Uh, we, oh, that's a good quote.

01:15:05.900 On Wednesday, yeah, we would have had patients in the office.

01:15:08.400 They must've been surprised.

01:15:09.740 Yeah.

01:15:09.960 Well, you know, as a plastic surgery business, I typically don't have a lot of patients in

01:15:14.560 there all at once.

01:15:15.700 So, you know, it's a pretty private kind of, you know, scenario.

01:15:19.440 We have, you know, one or two patients per hour that kind of come in at, you know, at

01:15:23.140 any given time.

01:15:23.760 Sometimes we're a lot busier, but, um, on a Wednesday on our consult days, you know,

01:15:27.800 it's typically pretty slow.

01:15:29.120 So, um, I, I don't remember, but there were probably only been one of the two.

01:15:32.640 I bet they remember.

01:15:35.760 I bet they'll never forget it.

01:15:37.600 Um, it's hilarious.

01:15:39.200 It's, sorry.

01:15:40.160 I know not for you.

01:15:41.560 So what were you charged with?

01:15:43.760 So I was charged with fraud, conspiracy to commit fraud because there was more than one

01:15:48.800 of us and, uh, and counterfeiting.

01:15:53.340 Counterfeiting?

01:15:54.720 Counterfeiting because I filled out cards, uh, when I didn't, you know, put the COVID vaccine

01:16:01.880 lot number and the date that it was supposedly injected and then signed it.

01:16:05.320 Um, so this was like, there were a lot of cases like this in the 1850s where like a runaway

01:16:10.140 slave would show up at somebody's house and they'd harbor the slave and they would get

01:16:13.460 charged.

01:16:14.720 Right.

01:16:15.320 And, um, there was a huge theological debate about this at the time, of course, culminating

01:16:19.220 in the John Brown murders.

01:16:20.240 And I mean, there was a lot of debate.

01:16:22.460 It wasn't just John Brown, but, um, about whether it's ethical to violate an immoral law.

01:16:30.180 Right.

01:16:30.580 And that must be a conversation you had, at least with yourself.

01:16:34.460 Um, well, the conversation that I had with myself was, um, I'm taking care of my patient.

01:16:42.260 Um, there were no COVID laws.

01:16:46.100 There were no laws that require me to inject anybody with anything.

01:16:50.580 Um, and so my discussion with myself was exactly that.

01:16:55.020 I said, I'm not breaking any laws, so I don't really understand why they're coming after me.

01:16:59.040 That's one.

01:16:59.980 And then two.

01:17:01.320 There were, there was never a law.

01:17:02.500 You're right.

01:17:02.900 Never a law.

01:17:03.420 Um, and two.

01:17:07.320 So what law did you violate if there was no?

01:17:09.260 Well, they, they were claiming fraud that they had given me $28,000 worth of product

01:17:15.740 and I had, and I was told to use it in a certain way and I didn't use it in the way that they

01:17:21.740 wanted me to.

01:17:22.300 What'd you do with it, by the way?

01:17:24.060 Just throw it away.

01:17:24.760 How, how big is a 28,000 item lot of COVID facts?

01:17:34.220 It was 2,270 doses is what I had ordered.

01:17:39.960 Okay.

01:17:40.520 So is that like, could you fit that in a duffel bag?

01:17:44.160 Uh, yeah.

01:17:45.020 They're small vials.

01:17:46.560 They're about an inch tall by, you know, three quarters of an inch.

01:17:49.960 And you just tossed them in the garbage.

01:17:51.660 Um, yeah.

01:17:53.280 Yeah.

01:17:53.740 We just covered them.

01:17:54.760 As a matter of fact, I mean, Carrie, my office manager, she would order the product.

01:18:02.520 They would, it would get delivered to the office by UPS or FedEx or whatever.

01:18:06.680 Um, she would sign for it.

01:18:08.020 And then she told me, and I didn't know this at the time, but in order to keep anybody from

01:18:14.620 actually using them, um, she would take them home immediately.

01:18:19.860 And then from home, she would just throw them away.

01:18:22.480 So, uh, we had, there was another employee of mine that supposedly had told the FBI in

01:18:30.820 something or interview that, uh, that she didn't agree with what it was that we were

01:18:36.700 doing and thought that her daughter should have gotten her COVID shot.

01:18:40.660 Um, and so she went in there and drew one up and gave it to herself because we weren't going to give

01:18:45.460 it to her.

01:18:45.920 And that was a total lie because we never had any of the COVID vaccine in the office.

01:18:49.600 Um, so how did you, is she the one who ratted you out to the feds in the first place?

01:18:53.920 No, so the way they found out about it is, um, a lady was completely anti-COVID and anti-vax,

01:18:59.060 told her office, told her staff, told everybody that she worked with, her PR, her, um, her HR

01:19:04.540 department, everybody, um, that she would never get the vax.

01:19:08.100 She'd rather quit, get fired, whatever.

01:19:09.680 Um, and then one day she shows up with a card from my office.

01:19:13.700 Um, and so then they called the Utah health department, um, and said-

01:19:17.760 Her office did.

01:19:18.460 Yeah.

01:19:18.780 So her HR department.

01:19:19.060 What kind of office was it?

01:19:20.660 I think it was a utility office in California.

01:19:23.160 I'm not positive about that.

01:19:25.600 Um, and, you know, and so they called the Utah health department and the Utah health department

01:19:30.600 then, I guess, in turn called the FBI.

01:19:32.460 And we found this out during the trial, um, that the first thing that the Utah health department

01:19:38.340 was supposed to do upon hearing that somebody was not using their COVID vaccines properly

01:19:44.120 was they were supposed to shut us down.

01:19:46.480 And if they weren't going to shut us down, then they should have at least done a site

01:19:49.760 review on us.

01:19:51.340 Or call you and say, hey, is it true that you're not dispensing the COVID vaccine?

01:19:54.740 But they didn't do anything.

01:19:55.540 They got ahold of the FBI right away.

01:19:57.040 And so then that was, again, part of the whole scheme on their part.

01:20:01.180 So they're claiming I had a scheme and my scheme was to save stuff.

01:20:04.860 I didn't want to murder or maim my patients.

01:20:07.200 Okay.

01:20:07.360 That was my scheme.

01:20:08.340 Um, their scheme, their scheme, their scheme was to try to catch me.

01:20:13.280 And then, and that's what they did.

01:20:14.800 They ran a sting operation on me, had two police officers come in and get a COVID card, both

01:20:19.700 of them without a shot.

01:20:20.960 Um, they had to, you know, so.

01:20:23.540 Did you consult with them?

01:20:24.480 Uh, no, I, I did not.

01:20:25.740 I, I didn't see, I hardly, um, none of these patients came in to get a COVID vaccine.

01:20:32.980 They all knew what we were doing.

01:20:35.500 It was a word of mouth thing.

01:20:36.760 I never kept any patient from getting a vaccine if they wanted it.

01:20:39.680 Okay.

01:20:40.160 And I never gave a vaccine to somebody who didn't want it.

01:20:43.340 Um, but everybody that was coming to me was coming to me because I was giving fake cards.

01:20:49.280 They knew it.

01:20:50.180 They wanted it.

01:20:50.960 I wasn't, I didn't have to talk to them.

01:20:52.800 They'd done all their own research.

01:20:54.460 They're, you know, if they had any questions, they would ask me.

01:20:57.140 Because.

01:20:57.240 Man, I wish I'd known.

01:20:58.380 I had, I had a friend who printed a bunch of fake vax cards.

01:21:02.020 I was proud to carry a fake vax card around the world in the various countries.

01:21:05.960 Um, and.

01:21:08.460 Well, you did an interview with Ed Dowd about that.

01:21:10.420 Yeah.

01:21:10.800 In January of 23.

01:21:12.200 January, February of 23, I think it was, on your Fox Nation show.

01:21:15.740 Yeah.

01:21:15.880 I felt guilty about, I only, I actually only showed it one time in one country, but I felt

01:21:21.440 guilty.

01:21:21.880 I felt like I should be man enough to be like, I'm not getting that.

01:21:24.640 And, and just, but I.

01:21:27.980 But you can't, you know, you have the whole system that's out against you.

01:21:31.460 I know.

01:21:31.640 I just felt like a wuss for doing that.

01:21:34.780 And I felt like a real man would just stand up.

01:21:37.140 I can't imagine my father, like having a fake vax card.

01:21:40.600 Buzz off.

01:21:41.780 But I did.

01:21:42.760 Anyway, but, um, I just, God bless everyone who provided fake vax cards.

01:21:46.580 And I just want to thank you to your face for doing that.

01:21:49.200 It's what a wonderful service and a truly ethical thing to do.

01:21:53.260 But, um, you're facing life in prison for doing it.

01:21:58.060 So you get indicted.

01:21:59.420 When do you find out that the penalty is life?

01:22:02.220 Well, so the, originally the penalty was, um, total of 15 years max, if I had been convicted

01:22:07.960 on all charges, they were also accusing me of making money.

01:22:11.280 Um, and they, I, um, I wasn't doing anything.

01:22:14.780 So initially in the summer of 21, um, I was just given cards out and, you know, anybody

01:22:20.000 who wanted them, just given them out.

01:22:21.540 If they came in with a kid, then I would do a saline shot on their kid.

01:22:25.240 Um, eventually that kind of changed the routine changed a little bit, um, where some people

01:22:31.360 get nervous.

01:22:31.980 Hey, you're just doing this so freely.

01:22:33.120 You're going to get caught.

01:22:34.040 And somebody is going to say that you did something wrong or whatever.

01:22:36.560 And you, you know, you run the risk.

01:22:37.880 And again, I, I still fell back on what am I doing wrong?

01:22:42.020 I'm taking care of my patients.

01:22:43.120 This is what they want.

01:22:44.220 They're coming in.

01:22:45.120 They have full informed consent, you know, and everything else.

01:22:46.920 There's no COVID law.

01:22:48.120 And there's no COVID law.

01:22:49.300 Right.

01:22:49.920 Um, but eventually we, um, we got convinced that, you know, look, we got to start screening

01:22:54.540 people.

01:22:55.160 And so that's where Chris comes in, um, my other co-defendant.

01:22:59.460 Um, and so she starts screening people.

01:23:03.100 Um, and in addition to that, we had people that were saying, Hey, you know, Kirk or Dr.

01:23:08.440 Moore, you know, you're not taking any payment on this.

01:23:11.940 What can we do to help, um, you know, help you?

01:23:15.440 And I said, well, look, there's this, uh, organization, um, that is trying to change the

01:23:21.180 laws here in the state of Utah to prevent this from ever happening again.

01:23:24.620 Um, and I'd been to their meetings and I was kind of doing what I could to help.

01:23:29.020 I was testifying in Congress or at our state, you know, state house and Senate committee

01:23:34.160 hearings to try to get laws passed, to take away the right of our health department and

01:23:39.380 our county council to force mandates indefinitely on anybody.

01:23:43.580 Um, and so we had passed some laws.

01:23:45.840 Um, and so I knew what this organization was doing.

01:23:48.740 And so I said, look, if you have a, if you want to do something, please donate to this

01:23:53.160 organization.

01:23:54.220 Um, and they said, well, how much?

01:23:55.740 I said, well, typically people are charging their insurance companies about 50 bucks for

01:23:59.140 a shot.

01:23:59.640 So just donate $50, um, to this organization.

01:24:03.640 Um, and I would have them put a little orange.

01:24:05.600 I don't know where I came up with an orange.

01:24:06.920 I haven't put an orange in their Zelle or, or Venmo payment or whatever.

01:24:11.200 So that, you know, that, so that HIA, who was the organization would know what it was.

01:24:16.020 Um, and, uh, and, and so we did that.

01:24:20.240 Um, and the government claimed that I did that for everybody.

01:24:23.840 So all 1,937 patients that got listed to the Utah state information, immunization information

01:24:30.520 system uses, um, were claiming that those were people that had come to my office that we had

01:24:35.840 put their name on the list and said that they got a COVID shot.

01:24:38.880 So they were saying that out of that at $50 a piece, it's like $96,000 plus the 28 grand

01:24:44.080 that they gave me in product was $128,000 worth of $124,000.

01:24:47.840 That money you said went to charity, it didn't go to you.

01:24:50.160 Correct.

01:24:50.540 I didn't get a dime.

01:24:52.000 Okay.

01:24:52.480 But they were trying to claim that it, that I was making money somehow.

01:24:55.780 Okay.

01:24:56.020 And they did, and they, you know, and they did that, but then they had to take that

01:24:59.680 charge away.

01:25:00.720 Okay.

01:25:01.060 So here's a funny story.

01:25:02.660 Um, the second police officer that came in, uh, to do this thing operation on me to

01:25:07.180 confirm what had happened to his quote unquote girlfriend.

01:25:09.740 Okay.

01:25:10.060 Um, uh, he got busted for selling bath salts.

01:25:13.780 So he was an FBI agent that was stealing bath salts from a confiscated, you know, raid

01:25:19.660 and then taking some of it and then turning around and selling it.

01:25:22.760 No way.

01:25:23.920 He's a drug dealer.

01:25:24.980 He's a drug dealer.

01:25:26.240 Okay.

01:25:26.780 So they had, he was an FBI agent.

01:25:28.320 He's an FBI agent.

01:25:30.260 Yep.

01:25:31.060 I'm not surprised actually.

01:25:32.760 I mean, you're an FBI.

01:25:33.420 I couldn't have a lower opinion of FBI agents in general, not all, but most.

01:25:37.180 But if they tell you, okay, we're going to do a sting operation on a physician who's

01:25:43.620 decided as a practicing medical doctor that he doesn't want to give the COVID vaccine,

01:25:48.200 your job is to bust him.

01:25:50.180 If you're going along with that, it's voluntary.

01:25:52.200 You don't have to do it.

01:25:52.940 If you don't want, you're a low person.

01:25:56.540 Like you're a disgusting person.

01:25:58.180 Like check yourself.

01:25:58.920 What am I, is this why I got into the FBI to bust doctors for not prescribing an untested

01:26:03.500 vaccine?

01:26:04.600 Yeah.

01:26:04.760 I mean, they don't look at it that way.

01:26:06.340 They, yeah, I know they don't.

01:26:07.580 They're, I mean, the whole government scenario, everything that they're, again, this is not

01:26:12.560 about justice.

01:26:13.260 Okay.

01:26:13.820 It's not about the truth.

01:26:15.340 Okay.

01:26:15.740 It's just about winning.

01:26:17.220 And it's about, and when it came to me, in my case, it came to be about proving a point.

01:26:23.180 Okay.

01:26:23.960 They wanted to prove that to other doctors, this is what happens to you.

01:26:30.440 Okay.

01:26:31.100 When you mess with us, when you fuck with us and everything else, this is what's going to

01:26:35.540 happen to you.

01:26:36.200 It didn't matter whether it was the right thing to do.

01:26:37.940 It's a display of power.

01:26:38.860 It didn't matter.

01:26:39.240 It didn't matter that I had not hurt any patient.

01:26:41.760 It didn't matter that I was, that I'm a plastic surgeon doing house calls and I'm saving people's

01:26:47.460 lives.

01:26:48.200 Okay.

01:26:48.600 And then I literally take people out of the hospital, get them off the remdesivir that

01:26:53.280 they're in, give them high dose steroids, give them ivermectin and everything else.

01:26:57.060 And now they're still alive and not six feet under.

01:27:00.080 Okay.

01:27:00.420 And I did that on two or three occasions and I didn't charge a dime to anybody for doing

01:27:04.880 this.

01:27:05.460 That doesn't matter to them.

01:27:07.080 Okay.

01:27:07.420 It, what mattered to them was you didn't do what we told you to do and therefore we

01:27:14.940 are going to hold your feet to the fire and we are going to prove and we're going to make

01:27:19.040 it hurt so much to you.

01:27:20.360 And we're going to show the world that if they ever were to try this, that this is what's

01:27:24.080 going to happen.

01:27:24.320 It's sadomasochism.

01:27:25.440 They're, they're in the dominant position.

01:27:26.840 They've got the whip hand and they want you to know it.

01:27:28.760 And they ruin you financially.

01:27:30.340 They spend all this money.

01:27:31.920 They, they, um, they make you spend, I had to hire an attorney for my business.

01:27:37.680 Okay.

01:27:38.420 For my business.

01:27:40.180 Does my business speak?

01:27:42.260 Okay.

01:27:42.740 Do they get up?

01:27:43.680 Can you, can I take my business and put my business on the stand and ask them why my

01:27:47.940 business did this?

01:27:49.480 Okay.

01:27:50.000 But no, I had to hire an attorney and spend a buttload of fricking money.

01:27:54.200 Okay.

01:27:54.620 To pay my attorney to just sit there in trial.

01:27:59.320 Okay.

01:27:59.840 That's our system.

01:28:00.640 What do you think it costs you?

01:28:03.620 Um, if I add up the bills, it was somewhere between seven and 800 grand, which is not as

01:28:13.000 expensive as what some other cases are, but I lost a lot of money out of my business too.

01:28:17.120 I mean, just think about the time and effort and the lack of, you know, the loss of, um,

01:28:23.820 focus.

01:28:24.560 I mean, I, I used to just work, right?

01:28:26.160 I mean, I just, I'd go to the office, I'd take care of my patients.

01:28:29.220 It's, I'd advertise, I'd market, I would, you know, be there for them and do everything.

01:28:33.440 I didn't have anything else.

01:28:34.360 I didn't have all this extraneous stuff that I'm thinking about.

01:28:36.780 Um, but now I'm, the only thing I'm thinking about is how do I keep myself out of jail?

01:28:40.640 How do I provide for my family?

01:28:41.760 Oh, so you asked me before, so, and we got off subject.

01:28:47.140 So when that officer got caught, all the data and evidence and everything that they had in the

01:28:53.080 original indictment had to be removed.

01:28:55.740 So what they did was-

01:28:57.000 Because it turns out the FBI was a drug dealer.

01:28:58.640 Because the FBI was a drug dealer.

01:29:00.280 So they had to take all that out.

01:29:02.460 But then what they did was, um, is they added another charge of destruction of government

01:29:08.140 property and evidence tampering, which added another 20 years to my sentence.

01:29:12.760 20 years?

01:29:13.740 20 years.

01:29:14.480 Evidence tampering.

01:29:15.260 What was the government property that you destroyed?

01:29:17.780 The vaccine.

01:29:18.500 They claimed that even though they gave me a product, so the ultimate Indian givers, okay?

01:29:25.560 Um, they gave me a product and that it was sitting in my freezer that they had given to

01:29:30.540 me, um, and that until I injected it into a patient's arm, that they own that product.

01:29:37.880 Because they gave it to me.

01:29:39.580 Because they paid for it and they gave it to me as the custodian, I guess.

01:29:43.220 They're going to put you in prison for 20 years for that.

01:29:45.720 Uh, they were going to put me in jail for, yeah, if I destroyed that property, correct.

01:29:50.280 They were going to, that was going to additional 20 years of property, you know, of, of-

01:29:53.400 What kind of prosecutor, and you're in your late 50s by this point.

01:29:57.340 Uh, yeah, I turned 60 this year, right.

01:30:00.320 And what was the total sentence you were facing?

01:30:02.460 35 years.

01:30:04.520 So that puts you in prison until 95, until you're dead.

01:30:07.340 Right.

01:30:07.980 Right.

01:30:08.480 So what kind of, so at some point a prosecutor had to decide on what the maximum penalty would

01:30:14.920 be.

01:30:15.140 Right.

01:30:15.480 That's a judgment called subjective.

01:30:17.140 Right.

01:30:18.080 Well, no, the maximum penalty is the judge.

01:30:20.560 So if I'd have been sentenced, then, you know.

01:30:24.260 Of course, of course, the judge determines that, but the prosecutor decides which charges

01:30:29.800 he's going to bring.

01:30:30.680 Right.

01:30:30.980 And he knows what penalty is attached to those charges.

01:30:34.080 Correct.

01:30:34.680 So.

01:30:35.260 They hated me.

01:30:36.600 But like.

01:30:37.080 They looked at me with such disdain.

01:30:38.820 Please name these prosecutors and tell them, tell us who they were.

01:30:41.460 So Todd Boughton.

01:30:43.080 Todd Boughton.

01:30:43.700 Yeah.

01:30:44.160 B-O-U-T-O-N.

01:30:45.660 B-O-U-T-O-N.

01:30:46.760 Who is Todd Boughton?

01:30:47.680 So Todd Boughton came from California in the prosecutor's office in California.

01:30:51.920 He'd only been in, he's only been in Utah.

01:30:53.700 Well, at the time that he had me under indictment, it had only been there about a year, I think.

01:30:58.040 He's a federal prosecutor.

01:30:59.240 He's a federal prosecutor.

01:31:00.120 So he was in the U.S. attorney's office.

01:31:02.740 U.S. attorney's office in Salt Lake City.

01:31:04.400 Yes.

01:31:05.340 Todd Boughton.

01:31:06.360 How old is Todd Boughton-ish?

01:31:10.340 50, 48.

01:31:12.640 And Todd Boughton was, do you think, one of the prime movers behind this?

01:31:17.240 He was the lead prosecutor on this case.

01:31:18.960 Lead prosecutor.

01:31:19.840 Okay.

01:31:20.100 So I don't know if it got assigned to him or if he chose it or if he, but he hated me.

01:31:24.540 I mean, he looked at me with such disdain.

01:31:26.300 Why?

01:31:26.520 I don't know.

01:31:28.540 Todd Boughton.

01:31:29.440 Does he still work at the Department of Justice?

01:31:31.620 He does.

01:31:32.580 How can Todd Boughton still have a job at the DOJ?

01:31:38.020 I would think draining the swamp would require firing Todd Boughton day one, but that's just my view.

01:31:45.200 Okay.

01:31:45.960 And I'm, again, stepping on your story.

01:31:47.860 So, okay, there was Todd Boughton was lead prosecutor.

01:31:49.440 Who else?

01:31:49.960 So Jacob Strain was his boss.

01:31:52.300 Jacob Strain?

01:31:53.120 Yeah.

01:31:53.780 So J-A-C-O-B and then S-T-R-A-I-N.

01:31:58.580 And he was, he's the senior prosecutor in that, but he was taking a backseat to Todd Boughton.

01:32:04.760 Todd Boughton was leading the, you know, leading the charge.

01:32:07.140 And Jacob Strain has been in that office in Salt Lake for a long time.

01:32:10.520 Is he still there?

01:32:11.300 He's still there as well.

01:32:12.900 Yes, he's still there.

01:32:14.960 How?

01:32:17.620 This was just one of many cases that they had.

01:32:20.560 Of this, of this kind?

01:32:22.220 Well, they, I don't know if you heard about that one case that they had where they, there were people that were selling COVID cards on eBay.

01:32:29.320 There was a guy in Utah.

01:32:30.120 Oh, of course I.

01:32:30.920 There was a guy in Utah and a guy in New York.

01:32:32.740 And between the two of them, they sold 140,000 cards.

01:32:35.820 Yes.

01:32:36.220 On eBay that they had just printed.

01:32:37.920 They'd gone to Kinko's.

01:32:38.880 I don't know if Kinko's still exists, but my point, you know, they went to a printing company or they printed them at home.

01:32:43.080 Made COVID cards, stamped them, and, and we're selling them for 10 bucks a piece.

01:32:48.160 These guys made $1.4 million.

01:32:49.900 God bless them.

01:32:52.020 And they got convicted.

01:32:53.580 They got a year in jail and a $40,000 fine.

01:32:56.300 That was their conviction.

01:32:57.460 They took a plea deal.

01:32:58.660 Okay.

01:32:58.980 Did they actually do the time?

01:33:00.840 I don't know.

01:33:02.720 I think so.

01:33:03.680 Okay.

01:33:04.040 Damn.

01:33:05.400 But a year in jail and $40,000 fine.

01:33:08.400 And then the same prosecutor.

01:33:10.580 So Todd Boughton, same guy.

01:33:13.080 Okay.

01:33:13.800 Took those guys and he got that plea deal and he's taking me to trial and trying to put me in jail for 35 years.

01:33:20.420 And you're a physician.

01:33:21.700 I made no money.

01:33:23.240 Okay.

01:33:23.700 I made no money.

01:33:24.540 I didn't charge anybody anything.

01:33:25.860 I made no money.

01:33:26.800 I asked people to donate to an organization that was helping pass laws in the state of Utah that I, you know, that, that, that we supported as an organization and everything else.

01:33:35.020 And yet he, you know, they never offered me a plea ever.

01:33:38.840 I would not have taken one if they had they, but I, but they never even came to me.

01:33:42.580 Pleased to child molesters all the time.

01:33:44.240 Yes.

01:33:45.640 All the time.

01:33:46.480 All the time.

01:33:48.040 Yeah.

01:33:48.560 Let's cut it down to a decent exposure and we'll, we're fine.

01:33:53.280 Had you ever been in trouble with the law?

01:33:54.760 So I had a, um, I had a case four or five years ago where I got accused of insurance fraud, um, of filing a false insurance claim.

01:34:05.820 Um, and that I had three of my, my employees turned me in, even though it wasn't true.

01:34:13.260 Um, but I had to take a plea deal on that because I had three people against me for, you know, for me, for one.

01:34:19.740 So I took a misdemeanor, you know, charge.

01:34:22.220 Did you lose your medical license?

01:34:23.700 I had it suspended for, well, on paper suspended for two years, but they, but it was, um, uh, but so they suspended it but gave it back to me under probation.

01:34:34.420 And so I did an 18 month probation, never got in trouble.

01:34:37.780 I've never been in trouble prior to that at all.

01:34:39.960 So I got accused of, I had a trailer that was stolen from my office parking lot.

01:34:45.940 Um, and the trailer had a whole bunch of stuff in it.

01:34:49.140 Um, some of which I knew, some of which I didn't, I would, I had just moved into my office and we're moving stuff in, moving stuff out.

01:34:56.000 I came from an office that was 5,800 square feet to an office that was just under four.

01:35:00.640 So we had a lot of stuff that just didn't fit.

01:35:02.860 And so I had my sister out who's kind of helping with interior design.

01:35:06.540 And, um, so we're moving stuff in and out.

01:35:09.120 Um, and I didn't know what was in the trailer, what was not and everything else.

01:35:12.520 And so I put a lot of things on the insurance claim.

01:35:15.020 Um, and some of which I took off later, some of which I didn't.

01:35:18.480 Um, but my, my staff that I had fired, um, accused me of, you know, fraudulently making claims on my insurance.

01:35:26.880 And I didn't, if I did, it was a mistake because I didn't know, you know, I didn't really, I truly didn't know what was on there.

01:35:32.080 I do know that there were at least, um, you know, there was a couple of boxes of medical charts on there.

01:35:39.220 Um, and there was a whole bunch of medical supplies and, you know, and those kinds of things.

01:35:43.240 So, um, but.

01:35:45.340 So it wasn't an insurance claim related to your medical practice.

01:35:48.720 No, no.

01:35:49.680 It had nothing to do with that.

01:35:50.980 Oh.

01:35:51.260 So, okay.

01:35:52.880 Um, so what happened next?

01:35:55.900 You're facing life in prison for this.

01:35:58.060 They, they do not offer you a plea deal.

01:36:00.140 You wouldn't have taken it anyway, you said, but how long did this drag out and how did it end?

01:36:05.960 So, um, we, I, I went to jail twice.

01:36:10.220 You went to jail?

01:36:11.160 I went to jail twice.

01:36:12.700 Why?

01:36:13.240 Remember at the beginning when you said, uh, how does.

01:36:15.880 Did you get a tattoo?

01:36:17.260 Join a gang?

01:36:18.000 No tattoos, no gang.

01:36:20.020 Um, but, uh, remember when you said, why did you give them your phone?

01:36:23.400 Cause the government, you're not really, they don't, you know, it's, it's your government.

01:36:26.800 Um, well, I challenged the jurisdiction of my government and they didn't like that challenge.

01:36:30.520 So they threw me in jail.

01:36:32.260 Um.

01:36:32.680 They threw you in like actual jail?

01:36:34.440 Yep.

01:36:35.320 12 days.

01:36:36.700 Come on now.

01:36:37.800 Yeah.

01:36:39.040 What jail?

01:36:40.100 Uh, I was at the Logan, uh, County jail, Logan, uh, in the sheriff's department, whatever.

01:36:46.580 Were you the only surgeon in the, in the cell block?

01:36:48.640 Oh yeah.

01:36:49.080 I think it was the only, I was the only white collar there, only white collar guy there at

01:36:52.620 all.

01:36:53.160 Everybody else was drug addicts and there were some murderers and rapists.

01:36:56.780 You spent 12 days in jail.

01:36:59.060 I spent 12 days in jail that time.

01:37:00.680 Yes.

01:37:00.940 Um, well, because I challenged their jurisdiction.

01:37:06.640 I filed a motion that said that they don't have jurisdiction over me.

01:37:09.660 Um, and, you know, trying to go, some people claim it's like the sovereign citizen or, uh,

01:37:16.120 state national route or, you know, whatever.

01:37:18.640 Um, basically I was just saying, you know, you guys are overstepping your bounds here.

01:37:22.400 Um, and you don't have the authority to do this and they didn't like that.

01:37:26.520 So the judge says, I don't like you and I don't like what it is that you're doing.

01:37:29.500 And he threw me in jail.

01:37:30.940 Who's the judge?

01:37:32.560 Uh, Judge Bennett.

01:37:36.120 Uh, Jared, Jared Bennett.

01:37:38.160 That is totally bonkers.

01:37:40.460 Mm-hmm.

01:37:41.160 What does your family say?

01:37:43.080 Well, um, they were like, dad, what can you do to get out of jail?

01:37:47.900 So I, um, in order to do that, I had to fire my attorneys and everything else and go pro

01:37:53.320 se, uh, which, you know, it means defending yourself.

01:37:55.900 And then, um, and so then I had to hire an attorney to then file a motion.

01:38:00.720 And to say that I had, I renege on what it was that I said before.

01:38:05.460 I don't believe in that.

01:38:06.940 Um, it was, you know, it was a mistake on my part.

01:38:10.100 Uh, so please let me out of jail so I can take care of my family.

01:38:13.160 And so they did.

01:38:14.500 They put me on an ankle monitor for 90 days.

01:38:16.740 What?

01:38:17.220 And, uh, I, I was on house arrest and I could go from my office to...

01:38:23.400 Is this true?

01:38:25.280 This is true.

01:38:26.940 It's, it's true.

01:38:28.220 Absolutely.

01:38:28.820 All of it is.

01:38:29.760 I have pictures.

01:38:30.700 I was even accused of being a, um, of being a considerate, of, of continuing my conspiracy

01:38:38.440 theory because I, I, I was told that I said that my ankle monitor probably had a microphone

01:38:45.060 and transmitter in it and I was covering it with a towel so people couldn't listen.

01:38:48.060 Well, your iPhone definitely does.

01:38:49.280 So like, why is it crazy to think your ankle monitor does?

01:38:52.960 I don't think I said that, but even if I did, I mean, the point is...

01:38:55.820 Well, that's true.

01:38:56.240 But the point is, they brought that up in court to try to keep me in jail.

01:39:00.460 Because you're not allowed to have conspiracy theories?

01:39:02.280 You're allowed to think whatever the fuck you want in this country, by the way.

01:39:05.700 I'll remind you.

01:39:06.920 Not anymore.

01:39:08.580 So did you ever, because I'm a few years younger than you, we're basically the same generation

01:39:14.320 and went to similar high schools in a similar region.

01:39:19.380 So I, I get, I know what your world, I mean, I know the world that you grew up in.

01:39:22.600 So, um, did you ever think like, I'm just not going to participate.

01:39:27.600 I'm not going to do this.

01:39:28.440 Like I'm armed and come and, come and get me, bitch.

01:39:32.060 Well, by this time, well, no, actually by that.

01:39:34.100 Yeah.

01:39:34.620 Uh, uh, did I think about it?

01:39:37.260 Well, you could see how you could become Randy Weaver really quick.

01:39:39.640 Yes.

01:39:40.300 I, did I think about that?

01:39:41.660 The absolute question, the absolute thing is yes.

01:39:43.760 Of course.

01:39:44.220 Of course.

01:39:44.840 So I'm, I'm, I'm literally thinking, okay, how do I board out my windows?

01:39:49.100 Yeah.

01:39:49.380 Okay.

01:39:49.640 How do I put little holes in it?

01:39:51.300 You know?

01:39:51.500 So you're absolutely right.

01:39:54.740 How did I think about it?

01:39:55.900 Yeah.

01:39:56.120 I'm not suggesting that anyone do that.

01:39:57.900 Like they murdered Randy Weaver's wife and child and dog.

01:40:01.320 Like you don't win going Branch Davidian, but right.

01:40:05.500 Ever.

01:40:06.320 However, I certainly understand the impulse.

01:40:09.380 Right.

01:40:09.720 Especially if you grew up in a free country, you're like, well, you can't do this.

01:40:13.540 All right.

01:40:14.280 What was, what was 12 days in jail like?

01:40:16.400 Uh, well, the first four days I was in, uh, so they have a rule when you get into jail

01:40:23.000 at Logan, uh, the Logan County jail there that you have to do 48 hours.

01:40:27.140 Um, your first 48 hours is in solitary confinement because they want to make sure that you're not

01:40:33.300 tweaking on drugs and that you're not going to freak out.

01:40:35.340 And so before you go to your, you know, regular cell block that.

01:40:39.140 Tweaking on drugs.

01:40:40.200 You're a surgeon.

01:40:41.120 Like what the.

01:40:42.020 I get, I get, I get, I get, I didn't get any special treatment there either one way or the

01:40:46.440 other.

01:40:46.700 Okay.

01:40:46.980 Um, but the rule also said that it's 48 hours.

01:40:51.300 They did this to me on the Friday afternoon before Memorial day weekend.

01:40:54.900 So my 48 hours didn't start clicking until Tuesday morning at seven o'clock.

01:41:00.180 So I was in solitary confinement Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night, and Monday night.

01:41:05.600 Okay.

01:41:06.020 I got out of my cell for one hour a day.

01:41:08.580 Um, and because I was in this, you know, this, this, whatever state that I can't remember

01:41:15.040 to what they called it, what the state, you know, what the, what they do for that, that

01:41:18.740 solitary confinement state for that 48 hours, but it doesn't start till then.

01:41:21.780 So then they gave me a benefit is that on Tuesday afternoon at like four o'clock, they

01:41:25.460 said, okay, well, you know, we'll move you to your cell block.

01:41:28.560 And so then they moved me from there to, um, kind of award a pod with a bunch of bunk beds

01:41:35.840 and 26 or 27 other, you know, uh, cellmates in there, which was obviously a lot better because

01:41:42.540 you can have some communication and talk to people.

01:41:44.560 And I had phone access and, you know, and everything else, but, uh,

01:41:48.380 What were those days in solitary like?

01:41:51.340 Um, boring.

01:41:54.040 Uh, you know, you, you got out of, they would bring you out of your cell to eat literally

01:41:59.560 for 20 minutes and then they'd send you back in.

01:42:02.220 Um, and then they would combine your lunch or your dinner on alternating days with your one

01:42:08.420 hour of time where you could just kind of walk around in the cell block.

01:42:12.000 How was the food?

01:42:13.480 There were some books, um, food was, I don't know, jail food.

01:42:19.960 Um, just, uh, plastic trays with a plastic fork, um, that, you know, if you put too much

01:42:28.420 on your plastic fork, it would collapse because it couldn't be stiff enough for you to use it

01:42:31.740 as a weapon.

01:42:32.740 Um, you know, it, it was just, uh, um, green beans, corn, um, hot dogs.

01:42:41.240 Uh, um, I think there were a couple of times where we had a burger.

01:42:45.660 Um, but it was, so that was my first time in jail.

01:42:52.500 My second time in jail was I got the marshal service showed up.

01:42:57.200 So we had, um, so I got my ankle monitor off at the end of the summer of 2022.

01:43:02.040 Okay.

01:43:03.000 Um, no, sorry.

01:43:04.920 Ankle monitor.

01:43:06.000 This is so crazy.

01:43:07.340 I just want to, like, what about the politicians in your state that supposedly...

01:43:10.580 Nobody said a fucking word.

01:43:13.840 Nobody said a word at that time.

01:43:18.900 It's the most shameful period in American history by far.

01:43:23.220 Um, and so I, um...

01:43:25.500 By the way, if those people ever take power again, this will be every day.

01:43:29.080 Mm-hmm.

01:43:29.840 Those people are really dangerous.

01:43:31.380 Yeah.

01:43:33.240 Um, so I got my ankle monitor off, like, end of August, beginning of September of 2023.

01:43:38.660 Um, so now I'm kind of like, last thing I want to do is kind of rock the boat and do anything.

01:43:44.200 Ankle monitor, do you have to shower with it and keep it on?

01:43:47.460 It's on, it's just, they strap this thing on and if you cut it off, it sends like some sort of,

01:43:53.100 you know, it's got a really loud beep and siren or something in it.

01:43:57.540 So it's like a dog collar, like you're an animal.

01:43:59.600 Right, right.

01:44:01.040 They put a tag in your ear.

01:44:02.880 Not, no, not yet.

01:44:04.260 They didn't, they didn't get to that point yet.

01:44:05.640 But, um, so following that, um, we had a motion to, we filed a motion to dismiss my case

01:44:16.140 based upon the Chevron Doctrine and how the CDC was overstepping their bounds.

01:44:20.720 Um, the judge denied that.

01:44:21.880 They have no legislative authority.

01:44:23.440 They have no legislative authority.

01:44:24.800 None.

01:44:25.240 There's no law.

01:44:26.200 There's no law.

01:44:27.000 There's no legislative authority.

01:44:28.180 It's all made up, yeah.

01:44:29.100 By the Pharisees, yeah.

01:44:30.720 But, but the judge didn't grant our motion to dismiss, um, they had a motion simultaneously

01:44:36.840 to preclude me from using a necessity defense.

01:44:39.560 And basically a necessity defense is that what the treatment is that I was doing was less

01:44:45.520 dangerous than the treatment that was the alternative.

01:44:47.980 Correct.

01:44:48.360 Um, and which I truly believed was true.

01:44:51.620 Um, the judge.

01:44:52.600 Why else would you do it?

01:44:53.840 The judge granted them that motion, which then meant that I couldn't bring in any patients

01:44:59.340 that came to me and talk to them about the reasons why.

01:45:03.060 Wait, they can tell you what defense you can offer?

01:45:06.520 That's another really good question, Tucker.

01:45:09.260 Um, I thought.

01:45:10.460 How do they get to decide what your defense is?

01:45:12.740 I mean, what is going on?

01:45:15.340 Yeah, I mean, that's exactly my, I had almost the same exact, you know, emotion was emotion,

01:45:23.480 which was, I laughed and giggled and was like, I thought I lived in the United States and

01:45:30.840 I'm allowed to present any defense that I want to.

01:45:34.760 Um, but no, in this case, a necessity defense was not permitted.

01:45:39.920 Um, so that means I couldn't bring any vaccine injured patients in.

01:45:45.340 To talk about.

01:45:46.540 Wait, who decides?

01:45:47.500 The judge decides?

01:45:48.240 The judge decided this.

01:45:50.020 So the, so I had a magistrate judge and he was, that was the judge Bennett who threw me

01:45:54.140 in jail the first time.

01:45:55.940 Okay.

01:45:56.840 Um, and then we had this motion to dismiss.

01:45:59.120 So any dispositive motions go to your actual district judge.

01:46:04.480 Okay.

01:46:04.880 So the district judge that heard my case, um, is, you know, is different than the magistrate

01:46:10.240 judge.

01:46:11.200 Um, and then his name is Howard Nielsen.

01:46:13.440 Um, and so Howard, Dr.

01:46:16.220 Or Dr.

01:46:16.940 Uh, Judge Nielsen heard my motion to dismiss and heard their motion for necessity.

01:46:21.900 He denied my motion to dismiss and he, and he upheld their motion for the necessity defense.

01:46:27.380 So that means I could not bring in any patients that wanted the treatment that they got and

01:46:32.700 have them tell their story why they came to me.

01:46:35.000 I could not present any data or evidence and in support of the reasons why I treated people

01:46:39.640 the way I did.

01:46:40.440 I couldn't bring in any experts to also support all that.

01:46:43.820 So I couldn't bring in the Peter McCullough's and the Mary Talley Bowden's and, you know,

01:46:47.240 Pierre Corey's and anybody else in there to help me with my case.

01:46:51.040 And, you know, um, and, and, you know, a real good friend of mine, um, um, Jim Thorpe

01:46:58.160 wouldn't, you know, none of these people, I couldn't bring anybody in as a, as an expert

01:47:01.300 witness on my behalf.

01:47:02.220 And then I couldn't bring in any patients that had been vaccine injured.

01:47:05.320 So all the people that I know that were vaccine injured to kind of help prove my case.

01:47:09.880 So I was precluded from doing any of that.

01:47:13.140 Um, so that was on the 19th of October.

01:47:15.480 So they just, just to restate, they charge you with these crimes.

01:47:19.620 They threaten you with life in prison.

01:47:22.060 They throw you in jail for 12 days to start.

01:47:26.020 And then they decide what your defense can be.

01:47:29.220 Correct.

01:47:29.660 That's our system now, right?

01:47:33.800 So the day before we had trial, sorry, the day before we had the hearing.

01:47:39.340 So on October 18th, I sent a text message to two of my co-defendants because I knew that

01:47:44.220 they were struggling with their attorneys.

01:47:46.760 They weren't, you know, communication wasn't the greatest and they didn't know about the

01:47:49.900 hearing.

01:47:50.600 And so I texted them and said, Hey, we have a hearing tomorrow.

01:47:53.480 It's our motion to dismiss their motion for the necessity defense.

01:47:57.540 Um, I think you should be there with your attorneys.

01:48:01.080 Rah, rah, let's go.

01:48:01.960 Our case can go away.

01:48:03.120 You know, whatever.

01:48:03.960 Okay.

01:48:04.400 That's it.

01:48:05.560 All right.

01:48:07.960 Um, we go to the hearing there.

01:48:10.400 They are at the hearing.

01:48:11.920 Um, I told you, you know, we lost both motions essentially.

01:48:15.100 Um, the day after Donald Trump was elected, I had two marshals show up in my office and perp

01:48:20.620 walked me out of my office for communicating with my co-defendants about the case.

01:48:25.360 How did they know?

01:48:26.920 Um, one of the people that I was communicating with turned me in.

01:48:30.040 So my ex office manager gave them a copy of the text messages.

01:48:34.420 Why did she do that?

01:48:36.480 Um, because she wanted out of the case.

01:48:40.380 So she took a plea deal and she took a plea deal for.

01:48:45.460 Well, she's going to have to live with that.

01:48:47.180 She's going to have to live with that.

01:48:50.320 She's ultimately not a very nice person.

01:48:53.020 And so I don't know that it's really going to give her that much heartache.

01:48:56.020 I hope it does.

01:48:57.300 So what happened?

01:48:58.220 The U.S. Marshals show up.

01:48:59.260 So the U.S. Marshals show up, put me in chains, ankle chains.

01:49:04.160 Um.

01:49:04.720 Actually?

01:49:05.460 Actually, ankle chains and cuffs behind my back with chains connected between my ankles and

01:49:11.080 feet because that was such a flight risk.

01:49:13.680 Um, took me to jail.

01:49:15.520 And I spent 30, I spent 22 days in jail that time.

01:49:21.160 Um.

01:49:22.600 Are you serious?

01:49:24.300 Mm-hmm.

01:49:24.820 Same jail?

01:49:25.880 No different jail this time.

01:49:27.720 So I had to learn a whole new routine.

01:49:29.660 What was your family saying at this point?

01:49:31.860 Well, um, what are they saying?

01:49:36.800 Um, you know, they're, they're struggling, obviously.

01:49:39.900 Um, it's, uh, you know, I'm the breadwinner in the family.

01:49:44.260 You know, I'm, you know, I'm not making any money.

01:49:47.420 Um.

01:49:47.780 Um, and, you know, my fiance now is kind of trying to keep things afloat.

01:49:53.400 Um, my parents are doing whatever they can to kind of communicate with my attorneys and

01:49:57.660 do anything and all.

01:49:58.920 And you're like 59 years old at this point?

01:50:00.660 I'm 59 years old.

01:50:02.600 Um, and, uh, you know, like I said, I'm barely surviving in my practice anyway.

01:50:08.960 Um, and with a federal indictment hanging over you, nobody wants to really have a lot to do

01:50:14.380 with you.

01:50:14.660 Um, so it, it's, you know, it's, it's, it was hard.

01:50:19.280 It's really hard.

01:50:20.640 Um, had to sell, uh, I owned a house, um, a summer house with a really good friend of

01:50:27.720 mine and had to sell out my partnership on it, um, that I'd owned for 17 years.

01:50:33.820 Um, and it was, you know, it was a getaway for us.

01:50:36.660 We loved it.

01:50:37.220 It was a place up in Bear Lake.

01:50:38.520 Um, and, uh, you know, I had to sell out from that, but I, you know, the money that I

01:50:43.320 got from that went, it was all gone in like three weeks, um, to lawyers, all to lawyers

01:50:48.340 or to pay off my business expenses.

01:50:50.940 I mean, I, you know, I was in jail for, you know, 22 days.

01:50:54.320 I didn't get any income, none.

01:50:56.400 Um, I'm not able to advertise.

01:50:58.380 And so I can't, you know, I, you know, all my money, all my discretionary money was going

01:51:02.140 towards my attorneys or fees or this, or, you know, running my business or, you know,

01:51:06.440 anything.

01:51:07.260 Um, and, uh, you know, so it was, um, you know, it was those 22 days.

01:51:13.320 These were really hard.

01:51:14.580 Um, I got out the, so here's more, here's more of an example of the, of them coming after

01:51:21.980 me.

01:51:22.520 Okay.

01:51:23.120 I told you that in May of 2023, I filed that motion kind of as a state national sovereign

01:51:31.120 guy, you know, government doesn't have jurisdiction over me.

01:51:33.960 I filed the same motion as, as, as Carrie did the exact same motion.

01:51:38.440 We just changed the name on the motion.

01:51:40.120 Both of us filed it.

01:51:41.000 They put me in jail for 12 days.

01:51:42.540 They let her go home.

01:51:44.320 Carrie would be the woman who ratted you out.

01:51:46.360 Yes.

01:51:46.960 Okay.

01:51:47.500 And then later when I went to jail the second time and it was Carrie and Chris and myself

01:51:53.620 in this three-way text.

01:51:54.980 Okay.

01:51:55.820 Um, and Carrie was the one that turned it in.

01:51:58.300 So obviously she's not going to go to jail, but they arrested Chris too.

01:52:01.440 Okay.

01:52:01.800 And two days later we had a hearing in terms of the disposition.

01:52:06.220 Are we going to let them go again or, you know, or are we going to keep them in jail?

01:52:09.860 Well, they let her go and they kept me in jail for the exact same violation.

01:52:14.000 But because I'd had that previous violation, okay, I'm now considered a flight risk and a danger to the community.

01:52:20.880 And so now I need to-

01:52:21.880 A danger to the community?

01:52:22.920 A danger to the community.

01:52:24.480 The prosecutor said it in the hearing.

01:52:27.120 Which prosecutor?

01:52:27.940 Todd Boughton.

01:52:29.180 Todd Boughton, who is still, I'm really going to try to make a note to myself to just say his name as often as I can until he loses his job and doesn't get hired at a big white shoe law firm and rewarded for this Todd Boughton.

01:52:43.400 Okay.

01:52:44.420 Yeah.

01:52:44.960 So I was a danger to the community and I'm a flight risk in spite of the fact that, you know, I've got no property anywhere else.

01:52:52.720 The only property I have is in my town.

01:52:55.000 I have my kids going to school there.

01:52:56.560 You know, my mom lives with me part of the time.

01:52:59.600 You know, everything else, there's no, you know, a flight risk for what?

01:53:03.140 Well, so who cares?

01:53:03.860 I don't have my passport anymore.

01:53:05.040 You didn't do anything wrong.

01:53:06.160 We've got 50 million illegals in the country.

01:53:08.800 Drug cartels control huge parts of the Southwestern United States.

01:53:12.560 Like, this is so crazy.

01:53:14.440 I can't even believe this is real.

01:53:16.980 And I look, and I'm not the only one.

01:53:19.400 If you fled the United States, the only loser would be the United States.

01:53:23.260 We need people like, no, I'm serious.

01:53:26.060 Like, flight risk?

01:53:30.220 Flight risk and a danger to the community.

01:53:31.900 What am I going to do to the community, right?

01:53:33.380 So you think Todd Boughton still works at the U.S. Attorney's Office?

01:53:35.820 I do.

01:53:36.680 As far as I know.

01:53:37.640 I mean, I, you know, I guess.

01:53:39.480 I do think your senators should know that.

01:53:43.540 I think, I think if Senator Lee knew that.

01:53:46.180 Well, he does know that.

01:53:46.960 He was at my, so, he was at my meeting that I had with, you know, Attorney General Bondi,

01:53:52.820 you know, a few weeks ago.

01:53:54.360 So he knows.

01:53:56.280 Okay.

01:53:56.740 Well, I think they should fire Todd Boughton immediately because this is such an abusive

01:54:00.360 power.

01:54:01.360 Just crushing a man.

01:54:03.100 No one comes to your aid, right?

01:54:04.780 Like, what was the 22 days in jail like this?

01:54:08.740 So this time was actually a little bit harder.

01:54:10.820 The last time I told you, remember where I had like four days in solitary and then I

01:54:15.140 had the other eight days or so kind of in a ward where you're out and you can talk to

01:54:19.340 people.

01:54:20.260 This time I was in, I was in the Salt Lake County jail system.

01:54:24.560 Same, same sheriff's department, but they just had different rules.

01:54:27.460 And all federal, all federal inmates in that jail are, can never get below medium security.

01:54:38.400 Medium security is four hours a day out of your cell and the rest is in your cell.

01:54:45.660 Um, and you can't go outside.

01:54:49.120 Um, you, you know, you get books delivered once a month.

01:54:52.880 Um, you get commissary that, you know, that you can, that you can order online or, you know,

01:54:58.960 uh, whatever you have a tablet that you have access to during your four hours of out time.

01:55:03.900 Um, but they had some sort of an electric, electric problem in the grid with control of the

01:55:10.840 cells, doors, and everything else that they had cut our time down to two hours a day.

01:55:15.660 Um, so I was in my cell 22 out of 24 hours, um, for those full 22 days.

01:55:23.120 In a cell with like.

01:55:24.680 In a cell, an eight by 10 cell, seven by 10 cell.

01:55:28.100 Yeah.

01:55:28.960 22 out of 24 hours.

01:55:31.460 What did that do to you?

01:55:33.900 Um, two things, I think.

01:55:37.440 Um, uh, the first thing that it did to me is it, um, built up my results.

01:55:45.660 That I wasn't going to let them mess with me anymore.

01:55:48.040 Good.

01:55:48.880 You know, that, that it just didn't matter what they're going to do to me.

01:55:51.400 Then, um, I'm going to fight back.

01:55:55.520 And then the second thing that it did is it made me realize how much of a scam the fucking

01:55:59.860 jail system is.

01:56:00.720 Because my first cellmate in there was an illegal, nice kid, didn't speak much English.

01:56:08.400 He was only in my cell for 24 hours.

01:56:10.780 But that poor guy, um, had supposedly had two DUIs that he didn't even know about.

01:56:18.740 They didn't, never pulled him over for driving.

01:56:20.520 Um, they just issued a DUI warrant out for him.

01:56:25.020 He didn't even know that those DUI warrants were out for him.

01:56:27.800 The third time he did get pulled over for DUI.

01:56:31.020 Um, and for some reason they felt like he was a maximum security guy.

01:56:36.880 They put him in maximum security where he was in lockdown for two and a half months.

01:56:42.400 Okay.

01:56:42.800 A guy who's 23 years old, who made some mistakes driving a car once, don't even know about his

01:56:49.060 first two cases.

01:56:49.900 They're not even cases that they, that he never got pulled over.

01:56:53.060 They just, somebody said, Hey, he's been drinking and that's the car that he was driving.

01:56:57.020 Um, but they put him, how is that guy a max security risk?

01:57:02.020 Okay.

01:57:03.320 It's a scam.

01:57:04.620 These jails go around and all they do, it's a per capita count.

01:57:08.960 Okay.

01:57:09.240 And, and morning and night, they want to know how many people are in each ward and in

01:57:14.420 each, you know, medium, moderate, I mean, men, you know, minimal security, medium security

01:57:18.720 and high security or max security, whatever.

01:57:20.920 And they get more money.

01:57:22.080 That's all it is.

01:57:22.780 It's just a money scam and a money grubbing operation.

01:57:25.920 That's all it is.

01:57:26.760 The day that I got released, there were 17 people in my time block.

01:57:32.220 And I think, I want to say there were about two hour time blocks for get released because

01:57:35.420 they get, they let you get out of your jail.

01:57:37.760 They take you to this desk, you sign your forms, you get your clothes, you get the stuff

01:57:42.700 that they arrested you with and all of that stuff.

01:57:44.500 It takes about two hours to process a certain number of people.

01:57:47.400 There were 17 of us total.

01:57:48.820 Okay.

01:57:49.040 In that two hour time block, 13 out of 17 of those had nowhere to go.

01:57:55.940 Nowhere, no family, no friends, nothing.

01:57:58.680 Then they got a bus pass to take them down to wherever it is they want a single one, like

01:58:03.560 a one-way bus pass.

01:58:04.920 Where do you think those guys are going to go?

01:58:06.900 Right back to where they were before, you know, right back to what it was.

01:58:10.280 And in 48 hours, they're going to be right back where they are.

01:58:12.760 There was no attempt at all to help these people to do anything.

01:58:17.640 Nothing.

01:58:18.700 Okay.

01:58:19.000 And that's why I'm saying you just realize that it's just such a scam for these people.

01:58:22.780 Just that they want the recidivism and they, if the recidivism rate drops below 90%, then

01:58:28.100 they're hurting.

01:58:28.960 So they want to do whatever it is that they can to kind of make sure that those people-

01:58:31.940 This country's too big.

01:58:33.020 You can't treat people as human beings.

01:58:34.940 The government's too big.

01:58:35.920 It's all unsustainable.

01:58:37.480 It's like the scale is just not.

01:58:39.140 You either have to go full 1984 and just facial recognition to go to the bathroom.

01:58:46.340 Like you have to have like totalitarian control or, you know, you wind up with this where

01:58:52.240 it's just people get crushed in the gears.

01:58:55.660 And now it, wow, this is a really racing story.

01:59:01.660 So you get out of jail the second time.

01:59:05.180 Again, I just want to remind anyone who's made it this far in the conversation, your crime

01:59:09.120 was not prescribing the COVID facts, not giving, administering the COVID facts.

01:59:12.940 Right.

01:59:13.320 Right.

01:59:13.640 Yeah.

01:59:16.120 Then what happens?

01:59:17.460 Then your trial is still in progress.

01:59:19.420 So yeah, so we get out of jail or I get out of jail and now we're, you know, planning

01:59:24.520 on going to trial.

01:59:25.200 I mean, there's a whole other story behind it, but it's, you know, it's kind of long.

01:59:29.460 And we finally are scheduled for trial to go in July.

01:59:35.660 They do that superseding indictment.

01:59:38.000 This July.

01:59:38.660 So July, just last month.

01:59:40.200 Yeah.

01:59:40.400 Yeah.

01:59:40.580 Like six weeks ago.

01:59:43.240 And they did that superseding indictment where they had to take out that other agent's,

01:59:48.460 you know, kind of evidence.

01:59:49.160 Because he turned out to be a drug dealer.

01:59:50.280 Because he turned out to be a drug dealer.

01:59:50.720 But you're the criminal.

01:59:51.700 But I'm the criminal.

01:59:52.620 Right.

01:59:53.040 Okay.

01:59:53.180 So they do the superseding indictment, add the 20 years to the evidence tampering charge.

02:00:02.880 Todd Boughton is the one who added 20 years.

02:00:04.900 Todd Boughton added the 20 years.

02:00:06.460 Someone's got to pay for this.

02:00:08.260 And I think it should be Todd Boughton.

02:00:09.840 And, but they did all of this before Donald Trump was, you know, inaugurated.

02:00:15.000 Because they were worried.

02:00:16.620 They actually wanted me to go to trial before the inauguration.

02:00:19.300 And, because we were originally scheduled for to go to trial on January 15th.

02:00:23.880 So they wanted the trial to start before Trump was going to be inaugurated.

02:00:26.880 Because they felt that Trump was going to pull the plug on this.

02:00:29.760 Well, Donald Trump gets inaugurated after the superseding indictment.

02:00:33.880 And he announces that weaponization work group.

02:00:37.800 That was for the January 6th people.

02:00:40.060 And then Pam Bondi comes in.

02:00:43.420 And she kind of puts the weaponization work group together.

02:00:47.380 And she assigns the people that are supposed to go on this committee.

02:00:50.360 It's the deputy attorney general.

02:00:52.580 It's the attorney, the assistant attorney for civil rights.

02:00:57.880 The assistant attorney for legal services.

02:00:59.960 And then a number of other people that are on this committee.

02:01:03.880 Okay.

02:01:04.860 So as soon as they do that, we submit a packet to them.

02:01:08.760 To this weaponization work group.

02:01:11.080 Because one of the things in that.

02:01:15.900 It wasn't an executive order.

02:01:17.500 But the announcement was that we're going to go after any of the weaponization.

02:01:21.460 You know, cases of the previous administration.

02:01:23.820 And I was just like, well, we fit in this category.

02:01:27.460 I mean, they've weaponized the whole.

02:01:29.200 Yeah, you think?

02:01:31.240 So we go through that.

02:01:33.880 We submit this packet.

02:01:35.120 We get an answer back.

02:01:36.460 We had to then go to the acting U.S. attorney in the state of Utah to say, ask him whether he would dismiss the case voluntarily without sending it to the weaponization work group.

02:01:45.880 He said, no, we're not planning on dismissing it.

02:01:48.840 So we sent that off to back up to the DOJ in Washington, D.C.

02:01:52.620 The assistant attorney general of Utah was not going to dismiss it?

02:01:55.260 So the acting attorney general, John Vitti, was not going to dismiss the case.

02:01:59.860 He says, no, we think we have a good case.

02:02:01.780 We think we can win it.

02:02:02.660 We're not planning on dismissing the case.

02:02:04.460 Who is he?

02:02:04.860 Well, he's the acting attorney general that took over for Trina Higgins, who got fired.

02:02:10.400 U.S. attorney, you mean?

02:02:11.360 U.S. attorney.

02:02:12.200 Yeah, the Fed attorney general.

02:02:14.300 Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.

02:02:15.600 Acting U.S. attorney, the head federal prosecutor.

02:02:18.220 The head federal prosecutor.

02:02:19.200 Sorry about that.

02:02:20.040 So the acting U.S. attorney said, no, we're not going to dismiss the case.

02:02:24.080 Is he still the acting U.S. attorney?

02:02:25.560 He's still the acting U.S. attorney there, yes.

02:02:27.660 How?

02:02:30.760 None of these people get fired.

02:02:32.100 What is going on?

02:02:33.520 None of these people get fired.

02:02:36.940 They don't.

02:02:39.300 Showing this level of cruelty to a fellow American, to an American citizen, is just disqualifying.

02:02:45.600 Well, it should be.

02:02:47.200 It should be.

02:02:48.580 You know, I've had this conversation with friends of mine.

02:02:50.500 What happened to the humanity, right, of our society?

02:02:53.740 What happened to...

02:02:54.620 Crushing people.

02:02:55.840 And they're not even bad people.

02:02:57.600 I mean, in a world with a lot of bad people, by the way.

02:03:00.880 There are a lot of bad people out there.

02:03:02.320 Yeah.

02:03:03.200 But again, this is a system that's built on winning.

02:03:06.840 It's not built on the justice.

02:03:08.280 It's not built on truth.

02:03:09.940 Okay?

02:03:10.280 It's built on winning.

02:03:11.840 And when they see a case that they can win, okay, then they're going to go after you.

02:03:15.800 And they really thought that they were going to win and they really wanted to win because they really wanted to show, don't fuck with us because this is what's going to happen with you.

02:03:25.500 Well, that brings up levels of hostility in me that I feel guilty about.

02:03:33.780 So, okay.

02:03:34.680 So, as of six weeks ago, you were on trial for your, literally for your life.

02:03:38.200 Yes.

02:03:38.760 So, we filed this with a weaponization work group.

02:03:41.100 Eventually, the weaponization work group said, no, we're not going to intervene in this case.

02:03:47.220 What?

02:03:48.020 Right.

02:03:48.360 Why?

02:03:48.840 That's a really good question.

02:03:53.700 I don't know why.

02:03:54.400 It was, I got my email from the DOJ in D.C., or my attorney got the email, probably within a few days or within a week of, and I don't know if it's just coincidence.

02:04:12.920 I don't think, do you remember Ed Martin, right?

02:04:16.380 Ed Martin was nominated for the D.C. circuit court.

02:04:21.200 That's right.

02:04:21.380 And one of our senators, Comer, I think, said he wouldn't vote for him.

02:04:26.160 I can't remember who it was.

02:04:27.720 No, he's been in this room telling a story.

02:04:29.660 Oh, okay.

02:04:30.140 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:30.680 So, anyway, so he got, you know, his nomination gets pulled, and then the very next day, he gets assigned as the pardons attorney at the DOJ.

02:04:42.260 Right about that time was when I got notified that they weren't going to take my case.

02:04:47.220 I don't think Ed Martin knew about my case at the time.

02:04:49.900 I'd be surprised.

02:04:51.660 And that's what I've heard as well.

02:04:54.540 But I just don't think he had enough time to kind of get in there and figure things out.

02:04:58.200 I mean, it takes time, you know.

02:04:59.400 You take the effective ones out immediately.

02:05:01.500 They know who you are.

02:05:02.380 They can smell it on you.

02:05:03.520 So, anyway, and I don't think that my case ever made it to the committee.

02:05:11.440 I think my case was headed off before it got to the committee.

02:05:16.280 I can't prove that.

02:05:18.500 I don't know that.

02:05:20.400 Doctors have an inalienable right to choose the treatment they deem most effective for their own patients.

02:05:28.240 Like, that's just a foundational fact of American medicine, and it has to remain that.

02:05:34.580 So, and by the way, they've lectured us on that for, like, my entire life, 40 years.

02:05:39.000 It's between a doctor and his patients.

02:05:40.620 Okay.

02:05:41.440 All right.

02:05:42.040 All right now.

02:05:43.620 And they not only stripped that right from you and from your patients, they threw you in jail twice and then tried to send you away for life for exercising a foundational right.

02:05:54.140 So, that's all I would need to know if I was on that working group or that committee or whatever they fucking call it.

02:05:59.840 It's like, no, this is outrageous, and anyone who prosecuted this guy is fired immediately.

02:06:05.900 That's just not hard.

02:06:06.940 This is not a tough one.

02:06:08.960 Right?

02:06:09.380 This is not a let's split the baby.

02:06:10.640 Well, you and I have common sense, and you're right.

02:06:13.280 You don't need to split the baby in this case.

02:06:15.780 I didn't keep anybody from being vaccinated that wanted to be vaccinated.

02:06:19.620 Right.

02:06:19.800 And I didn't vaccinate the people that didn't want to be vaccinated.

02:06:23.060 Well, exactly.

02:06:23.520 Thank you.

02:06:24.140 And I took care of my patients the way they were in front of me, and I didn't fool anybody.

02:06:28.600 It's not like I was telling them that I was doing something when I wasn't or not.

02:06:32.100 It's not like you told them the vaccine was safe and effective and it would prevent transmission of COVID.

02:06:36.660 Correct.

02:06:37.320 Right.

02:06:37.660 Because there were quite a few doctors who did that.

02:06:39.680 That's called fraud, and none of them has been indicted for it.

02:06:42.740 Right.

02:06:43.380 Right.

02:06:43.780 Okay.

02:06:44.760 Sorry.

02:06:45.560 Whoa.

02:06:46.160 I'm almost going to have to bring this to a close because you're making me so mad.

02:06:48.700 I fear for my cardiovascular health.

02:06:52.000 So, I'll tell you.

02:06:53.180 So, in the end, it gets denied.

02:06:56.800 Like I said, I then go to trial.

02:07:00.120 July 7th was the beginning of the trial.

02:07:02.940 This is like a bad dream, dude.

02:07:06.180 So, I go to trial.

02:07:07.300 There was a small rally for us the day our trial started.

02:07:12.820 We actually had the Speaker of the House of the State of Utah was there on our behalf.

02:07:17.160 Good.

02:07:17.360 A couple of other politicians were there as well.

02:07:20.500 Carrie Ann Lizenby, you know, Kristen Chevrier, you know, gave her support.

02:07:26.960 And, you know, there were a couple people that had run for the House, U.S. House that were there.

02:07:32.880 So, people that were pretty well known.

02:07:35.500 And they, you know, they formed a rally for us and, you know, with signs and everything supporting us.

02:07:44.240 We had jury selection for three days.

02:07:46.360 During that time, Ed Zoll, who was one of the producers for the movie, died suddenly, was there.

02:07:53.900 And he was documenting everything.

02:07:55.260 He was doing video and pictures and cameras.

02:07:57.780 He was writing down notes.

02:07:59.100 He was in the courthouse for all five days.

02:08:01.020 And he published an article midweek that basically accused Pam Bondi of personally prosecuting me because it's her DOJ that was letting this go and she should know better.

02:08:16.540 That article went viral, got picked up by Marjorie Taylor Greene, got picked up by Thomas Massey and Senator Lee.

02:08:27.180 And then we had a huge—

02:08:28.360 The three members of Congress I love.

02:08:30.200 Okay, I'm so glad to hear that.

02:08:32.560 And then picked up—and then we had another larger rally on Friday.

02:08:39.320 And my son spoke at both of those rallies.

02:08:42.580 One of his speeches went viral, 1.7 million views.

02:08:47.380 And then later—and so we were—by this time, we were in trial.

02:08:51.600 I actually got accused of jury tampering because we reposted the links to the rallies that were happening.

02:09:02.760 The prosecutors accused us of jury tampering.

02:09:05.240 Thankfully, the judge shot them down and said, I think we still have a First Amendment in our country.

02:09:12.320 And so then trial goes through Friday.

02:09:16.100 I thought we had done a really nice job.

02:09:19.180 I mean, their witnesses were the director of the CDC COVID Task Force, a guy by the name of Chris Duggar.

02:09:24.460 And he called us the enemy.

02:09:27.860 The people that were vaccine hesitant—

02:09:29.860 He was sick.

02:09:30.440 The vaccine people were the enemy.

02:09:32.340 He said that in court, that we were the enemy, that they had to—

02:09:37.360 The enemy.

02:09:38.180 Yeah, that they had to change their policies because the anti-vax people were the enemy.

02:09:43.500 The enemy of—

02:09:44.360 The American citizens.

02:09:45.840 The American citizens were the enemy.

02:09:47.240 So a federal agency is calling American citizens the enemy because they disagree?

02:09:51.020 Yes, yes.

02:09:51.980 You just shut it down.

02:09:53.180 I mean, I don't understand.

02:09:54.900 Okay.

02:09:56.020 We had the director of BARDA, Gary Disbrow.

02:09:59.920 The director of BARDA, the bio—

02:10:03.140 Gosh, I can't—I wish I could remember these acronyms, what it stands for.

02:10:06.600 But essentially, they were the ones that were in charge of—

02:10:11.020 in charge of the pharmaceutical companies getting the COVID shots.

02:10:17.240 And determining whether they—you know, who was going to get what and everything else.

02:10:22.580 And looking at, quote-unquote, safety and all of the stuff of these COVID vaccines.

02:10:26.620 And giving them the license to be able to distribute these products.

02:10:31.820 And he was the director of that.

02:10:34.900 The interesting thing was, is that he came all the way across from Washington, D.C. to testify in my case.

02:10:41.240 And there was a contract that he said that he was intimately involved in negotiating with—between the Department of Defense, okay?

02:10:49.760 Again, this is what we mentioned earlier, the DOD and the pharmaceutical companies, okay?

02:10:54.600 They tried to submit this contract, redacted.

02:10:59.440 We objected.

02:11:00.900 You can't submit a redacted contract.

02:11:03.320 The judge said, you're right.

02:11:05.180 Get the contract unredacted or you can't do it.

02:11:08.200 They actually got the contract unredacted.

02:11:11.040 And then they decided to not present the contract.

02:11:14.940 Okay.

02:11:15.980 I don't know what was in the contract.

02:11:18.080 My attorneys do because it was in attorney's eyes only.

02:11:20.540 But my supposition, my speculation is, is that I think a couple of things.

02:11:26.340 One is I think that the contract predated COVID, okay?

02:11:31.260 That's my speculation is, is that this contract was, you know, predated.

02:11:34.900 They started in negotiations sometime in 2019, okay?

02:11:38.340 Just getting ready.

02:11:39.260 And then it showed how involved our government was and our Department of Defense was in terms of development and manufacture and everything else of this vaccine.

02:11:49.600 And I believe that it showed that they did everything and then they just slapped the labels on it for the pharmaceutical companies.

02:11:54.520 Sure, it was called Operation Warp Speed.

02:11:57.300 Operation.

02:11:57.940 Right.

02:11:58.120 Who does operations?

02:11:59.200 Right.

02:11:59.860 Does Majority do operations?

02:12:01.360 No, they have product rollouts.

02:12:02.840 Does Pfizer do operations?

02:12:04.280 I don't think so.

02:12:05.040 They're not occupying any countries.

02:12:07.180 So they could-

02:12:07.820 The U.S. military does operations.

02:12:09.320 Correct.

02:12:09.500 That's who does operations.

02:12:10.500 Right.

02:12:10.640 Then that's why it was run by General Perna.

02:12:13.840 Operation Warp Speed was run by a guy, a general in our, you know.

02:12:17.160 So did the, and pardon my ignorance though, in this interview, ignorance has really helped me because I'm like shocked by everything you've said.

02:12:25.980 And your case got almost no publicity outside of Utah.

02:12:28.660 They didn't want publicity.

02:12:29.680 Yeah, well, you didn't get any.

02:12:32.560 I would have been on it a lot earlier if I'd known it was happening.

02:12:35.100 I tried to, at the very beginning of my indictment, I tried to get my indictment pushed back because I didn't even have an attorney yet.

02:12:43.800 But, so we're talking about January 23th, so January 26th was when-

02:12:47.460 How did your real estate?

02:12:48.020 Sorry, our arraignment.

02:12:48.980 So our arraignment was January 26th and I tried to get it pushed back because I didn't have an attorney.

02:12:53.960 And I was told at the time that no, we can't push it back because we have media there and everything else and we don't want to change the date.

02:13:01.460 So we will assign you an attorney for your arraignment only.

02:13:04.040 Okay, when I showed up for my arraignment, there were exactly zero mainstream media people there.

02:13:10.620 We had a rally that day too.

02:13:12.120 We had a couple hundred people that were out on the steps that were there supporting us and everything else because we had put out the word.

02:13:18.680 But I truly believe that even though we were told that the media was supposed to be there, they didn't want to delay it any further because they didn't want to give us the opportunity to get more media publicity to have more people there.

02:13:28.600 So they didn't want media. That's why they were going against the necessity defense.

02:13:34.060 They didn't want us to put the COVID vaccine on trial.

02:13:37.180 They didn't want us to put all this evidence that we could have put into-

02:13:40.260 The COVID vaccine is the center of the story.

02:13:42.680 Right.

02:13:43.220 The government property you were indicted for destroying was the COVID vax.

02:13:47.380 Right.

02:13:47.880 The reason that you didn't want to administer the COVID vax is because you thought the COVID vax was ineffective at best and poison at worst.

02:13:53.540 Right.

02:13:53.840 The whole story is the COVID vax.

02:13:55.360 Correct.

02:13:56.920 Right.

02:13:57.140 But we weren't allowed to talk about that.

02:13:58.280 Yeah.

02:13:58.500 In our system, they can indict you, threaten you with life in prison, throw you in jail twice, and then decide how you can defend yourself.

02:14:05.980 So one last thing that I'll tell you, and that'll get your blood boiling going even further.

02:14:11.260 I can't handle it anymore, doctor.

02:14:12.380 Okay.

02:14:13.600 Right before trial started, the prosecution filed four more motions.

02:14:18.320 And basically, they were a motion.

02:14:21.180 So in our country, fraud requires intent.

02:14:24.540 Okay?

02:14:25.180 Yeah.

02:14:25.320 You have to intentionally defraud somebody.

02:14:28.340 You have to have the intent that you're taking money from somebody that you're telling you you're going to do something and you didn't do it or you're going to use it for some other reason.

02:14:35.580 And that was your intent.

02:14:36.720 Okay?

02:14:36.900 So they filed four more motions that the judge actually didn't deny to preclude me from if I got on the stand from even me talking about what my intent was.

02:14:49.060 So if I'd had to get on the stand, it's very likely that I wasn't even going to be able to tell the story that I just told you.

02:14:59.300 In other words, the judge was going to keep me from saying, well, Dr. Moore, you can't say why it was that you were doing it.

02:15:04.140 How about you just say, no, I'm guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, in fact, first line item in the Bill of Rights, the right to say what I think is true.

02:15:14.180 It's called the First Amendment and I'm going to say this in court.

02:15:16.140 What would happen?

02:15:18.100 Back to Salt Lake City Jail?

02:15:21.060 Probably.

02:15:22.680 Probably.

02:15:23.040 So how are you here?

02:15:25.400 Well, so that Friday at the end of court, with all of the publicity, Marjorie Taylor Greene getting a hold of, she said, I am sending a letter right now to A.G. Bondi.

02:15:35.960 I believe she got on the phone with her.

02:15:38.100 I think.

02:15:39.040 Did you know Marjorie Taylor Greene?

02:15:40.140 I did not know her from Adam.

02:15:42.060 Marjorie Taylor Greene has helped more people individually than any member of Congress.

02:15:45.860 Of course, she never gets credit for anything, but that's true.

02:15:48.940 So she's just moved by a sense of justice.

02:15:51.020 She's moved by a sense of justice coming from the state of Georgia with me and the state of Utah.

02:15:55.940 Okay.

02:15:56.200 Thomas Massey put out a really nice tweet about us that went viral as well.

02:15:59.900 Senator Mike Lee did.

02:16:01.740 Senator Mike Lee finally contacted Attorney General Bondi as well.

02:16:05.700 Friday, so Saturday morning, our case got dismissed.

02:16:09.860 Attorney General Bondi put out a tweet and said, you know, Dr. Moore gave his parents a choice or gave his patients a choice that the federal government didn't.

02:16:21.020 I did not.

02:16:22.320 I am dismissing this case on my direction.

02:16:27.180 This ends now.

02:16:28.800 Those three words.

02:16:30.200 And then five days later, I'm in her office meeting her, MTG, and Mike Lee.

02:16:37.240 So, like I said, I did.

02:16:40.200 So a week before you were facing life in prison, and the next thing you know, you're in the Attorney General's office.

02:16:44.380 Yes.

02:16:45.660 When, what was that date that that happened?

02:16:47.860 So July 12th was the day, it was a Saturday, which was the day that my case got dismissed.

02:16:52.580 And so July 17th, we were in her office.

02:16:55.180 So six weeks ago, how's your head now?

02:16:58.300 Like, how's your life?

02:16:59.220 Um, it's, uh, it's been a whirlwind.

02:17:04.800 Um, it's been a big change.

02:17:07.060 Um, we are trying to put, put our pieces back together.

02:17:11.640 I'm trying to.

02:17:12.160 So from, just to restate the timeline really quick, from the day the FBI showed up at your office, scared the hell out of your lone patient until July 17th.

02:17:22.040 How long was that?

02:17:23.300 So two and a half years.

02:17:24.500 So two and a half years is gone from your life.

02:17:26.960 Right.

02:17:27.380 At age 60, just gone.

02:17:28.940 Right.

02:17:29.700 And I'm having to rebuild my practice and send, I say, start over.

02:17:33.900 I mean, I'm not really kind of formally starting over, but, um, yeah, it's rebuilding.

02:17:37.960 Your appetite for starting over, I can say since I'm 56, diminishes with age.

02:17:43.040 So, like, you don't want to do that at this age.

02:17:46.400 It's just like not, you should be with your brain.

02:17:47.700 And why do I want to stay in medicine?

02:17:50.900 Right?

02:17:51.560 Yeah.

02:17:51.760 I mean, that's, that's the question that I struggle with every day because 99% of the people out there believe that I didn't do what was right or that I was not, that what I did was wrong.

02:18:04.940 So if you got a bunch, just a cross section of American physicians and said, you know, knowing the evidence, does Dr. Moore deserve to be sent to jail twice, you know, with MS-13 and then do life in prison?

02:18:18.960 How many do you think would agree?

02:18:19.980 Oh, I think that's, that's a different question.

02:18:23.280 Um, I don't know that a lot of them would agree.

02:18:25.520 I think that I, but I would say that there's probably a third of them that would.

02:18:29.440 There's still a third of the doctors that are out there that would say that what I did was wrong.

02:18:33.440 I falsified medical records.

02:18:35.600 I, um, I.

02:18:37.180 These are the people who lied about the effectiveness of the COVID facts.

02:18:40.600 Correct.

02:18:41.620 Right.

02:18:41.900 Okay.

02:18:42.420 So that's why I don't go to the doctor.

02:18:44.140 I mean, this is like, that's a, this is an, I'm not sure how you fix this.

02:18:47.100 I don't either.

02:18:49.120 I don't either.

02:18:49.900 Um, but that's the struggle with my profession right now is that it's so, um, it's so bought

02:18:59.460 and paid for by the pharmaceutical industry from top to bottom.

02:19:03.640 Um, they own the textbooks, they own the medical schools, they own the journals.

02:19:08.060 Um, they, they own our conferences, they own our medical organizations, the AMA, the American

02:19:14.140 College of Obstetrics, you know, the, look, the AMA has a code of ethics.

02:19:18.080 Okay.

02:19:18.440 The code of ethics says, yeah, it's a printed code of ethics that says, um, that as a physician,

02:19:24.480 you are going to come into conflict with the law.

02:19:27.200 We know that that's going to happen.

02:19:28.860 You have two things that you need to do as a physician.

02:19:31.060 The first one is you need to try to change the law so that it can comport back into your

02:19:35.360 code of ethics that you're taking care of your patient.

02:19:37.820 And if your second thing is, if you can't do that, you have to take care of your patient

02:19:40.920 that's in front of you.

02:19:42.120 I don't see the AMA standing behind me and helping me out.

02:19:45.060 Is the AMA that's for late term abortion?

02:19:47.320 I mean, shut up AMA.

02:19:48.380 I guess.

02:19:48.960 I'm disgusting.

02:19:49.720 Right.

02:19:50.060 It is.

02:19:50.840 Liars.

02:19:51.140 Why don't you go to work for Bobby Kennedy?

02:19:54.000 Uh, I, I don't know if he called me, I'd probably consider it.

02:19:58.760 Um, but you know, he's having a tough time right now too.

02:20:03.360 Yeah, I know.

02:20:04.720 Um, you know, the whole, the, Dan Bongino and Cash Patel are having a hard time.

02:20:12.300 Okay.

02:20:12.840 The, the stink is deep.

02:20:16.000 Okay.

02:20:16.800 And, you know, I mean, what was it just a couple of weeks ago?

02:20:19.480 Dan Bongino said that if you knew what I knew, you, you know, um, you'd, you'd struggle

02:20:26.680 too.

02:20:26.960 Yeah.

02:20:27.300 He told me that.

02:20:29.580 I love Dan.

02:20:30.580 He called me.

02:20:31.140 He was upset.

02:20:32.640 He didn't give me any specifics.

02:20:34.000 No classified information.

02:20:35.860 Right.

02:20:36.160 Everything's classified.

02:20:37.200 All of their wrongdoings are classified.

02:20:39.100 Right.

02:20:39.440 All of my sins are public.

02:20:40.900 But, um.

02:20:41.320 But it's, it's such a rot that goes so deep.

02:20:43.540 Oh, it's.

02:20:43.800 It's been going on for 250 years and it's only gotten, it's only, look, you know, this,

02:20:49.240 it's human nature.

02:20:50.280 You don't.

02:20:50.840 Of course.

02:20:51.200 You can't.

02:20:51.900 Uh, if you don't get caught in a lie and you don't suffer the consequences of it, then

02:20:57.020 you're going to lie again.

02:20:58.120 And our government and our politicians and, and our industry and everybody has been lying

02:21:03.640 to us for decades, for centuries.

02:21:06.020 And it's just, it's lie upon lie upon lie.

02:21:09.960 And you, you get to the point where, oh my gosh, you just can't, you, you can't get to

02:21:15.820 the bottom of it.

02:21:16.900 No.

02:21:17.720 All made possible by secrecy.

02:21:20.140 All made possible by secrecy.

02:21:23.480 I'm really, uh, once again, I consider you a hero.

02:21:27.180 I'm grateful for what you did.

02:21:28.420 I'm grateful you're still here.

02:21:29.540 I hope you recover.

02:21:30.640 I can't imagine what it must have done to you.

02:21:32.720 And I hope that, um, the rest of your life is spent in a really useful pursuit.

02:21:38.780 I hope that you find that thing and maybe it's not medicine, but I think you've got

02:21:42.620 a, your example is inspiring and I think you've got a lot to give to the country and I hope

02:21:46.500 you find a way to give it.

02:21:48.420 Well, I appreciate you having me on Tucker.

02:21:49.680 Oh, I mean it.

02:21:50.680 Thank you, doctor.

02:21:51.420 Okay.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - September 08, 2025

Bill Gates, Truth About Vaccines, & Big Pharma’s Plot to Destroy Doctors Who Question ”The Science”

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