The Tucker Carlson Show - Bishop Barron on the New Pope, the Foolishness of Atheism, and Why Young Men Are Turning to Christ

00:00:00.000 Do you think that Christian persecution is on the rise?

00:00:03.360 Oh, I know it is. It's documented.

00:00:05.340 20th century was the worst century for Christian martyrs of Christian history,

00:00:09.000 all the previous centuries combined.

00:00:10.440 It's the most persecuted religion.

00:00:12.200 If two friends like each other, that's fine.

00:00:15.340 But Aristotle says that won't last, that relationship.

00:00:18.700 What makes it last is when the two friends together fall in love with a transcendent third.

00:00:23.960 And now together we look to that.

00:00:26.420 Now we really find a bond.

00:00:28.620 When the bride and groom together look to Christ, now they'll stay married.

00:00:32.740 If they're just looking to each other, it'll founder.

00:00:35.940 The Catholic Church got super liberal, and then all of a sudden, everywhere you look,

00:00:39.880 people you know are converting to Catholicism with a pretty kind of traditionally Christian orientation.

00:00:45.140 This is how I would characterize ecclesial liberalism,

00:00:47.980 a tendency to reduce the supernatural to the natural.

00:00:50.740 That was going on for a long time, yes.

00:00:52.820 In very recent years, there's been a keener interest in the supernatural dimension

00:00:58.560 of the faith.

00:00:59.500 I don't think I've ever received more texts about any guest than I did about you.

00:01:25.620 From Catholics I know, from non-Catholics I know,

00:01:29.840 but the Catholics all wanted to hear details on, you know, factions within the church.

00:01:34.680 And I'm not going to ask you any questions about that because I don't understand any of it.

00:01:37.460 Good.

00:01:37.780 I want to start as broad as I possibly can, which is,

00:01:40.600 it seems like a lot of people in the West are unhappy, and it's measurable.

00:01:44.320 Suicide rates are at record highs.

00:01:47.000 Suicide rates and birth rates are at record lows.

00:01:50.640 Yep.

00:01:51.020 And those are not signs of confidence in the future.

00:01:53.120 Those are signs of despair.

00:01:55.100 Why are people unhappy?

00:01:58.100 Well, they've lost the sense of God.

00:01:59.680 I mean, God is the supreme good.

00:02:01.620 And when you lose that sense of God and you collapse back in on yourself,

00:02:05.720 that St. Augustine defines sin as curvatus in se.

00:02:09.880 I'm caved in around myself.

00:02:11.820 When you do that, you are, by definition, unhappy.

00:02:15.840 When you lose a sense of objective value grounded in the supreme value of God,

00:02:21.040 almost, again, by definition, you become unhappy.

00:02:24.220 What does it mean to cave in on yourself?

00:02:25.940 It means that you've lost a sense of connection to the values

00:02:28.960 that should be calling you out of yourself in an act of love,

00:02:32.280 and you've now come to reverence your own freedom, your own autonomy.

00:02:37.080 So what gives my life meaning is the fact that I've chosen something.

00:02:41.020 I've determined my life.

00:02:43.420 If the Bible has one message, it's that,

00:02:46.220 that when you live your life that way, you get lost.

00:02:49.540 When you deify your own psyche, your own ego, you get lost.

00:02:55.060 The joy of life comes from forgetting in this great ecstatic act.

00:02:59.060 You forget about yourself, and you lose yourself in some great value.

00:03:03.340 Now, that could be sports.

00:03:04.740 That could be politics, whatever it is.

00:03:06.300 But then the supreme value, in which all the other ones participate, we call God.

00:03:11.580 God is the highest good, the sumum bonum.

00:03:14.120 That's why you love the Lord your God.

00:03:15.740 That's the first commandment, right?

00:03:17.500 But when the culture's lost that, which ours is in danger of,

00:03:21.700 you, by definition, become unhappy.

00:03:24.020 You get caved in around yourself.

00:03:26.140 And then you fuss around in this kind of addictive way.

00:03:30.020 That's how I would diagnose the thing spiritually.

00:03:33.980 When you are in love with the idea of choices,

00:03:37.140 I thought the whole point of the West was choices.

00:03:40.120 Well, but you have to know what your choice is for.

00:03:42.440 When you deify choice itself, when you say autonomy, that's my God.

00:03:48.660 No, choice is for some good.

00:03:50.900 And the idea is to order freedom, right?

00:03:54.700 Freedom is not an end in itself.

00:03:56.100 Freedom is ordered towards some good.

00:03:57.940 When it's disordered, it tends to collapse upon itself.

00:04:02.140 That's what we got.

00:04:03.300 The whole point of America, I thought, was choice and freedom for its own sake.

00:04:06.940 Well, and I would argue it's not for its own sake.

00:04:09.200 And if that happens to us, something's gone wrong.

00:04:12.380 The Founding Fathers, you know, they weren't in the full sense of the term.

00:04:17.020 It wouldn't have the full Catholic imagination as I would like it.

00:04:20.360 But they certainly had a sense of the objective good

00:04:24.380 and that the purpose of life is to find that good and be ordered toward it.

00:04:28.600 An ordered freedom is what they're interested in, not freedom for its own sake.

00:04:33.020 What does ordered mean, ordered freedom?

00:04:34.260 Ordered toward the good.

00:04:35.420 And that's why it has to be educated.

00:04:37.360 Your freedom has to be disciplined and directed.

00:04:40.440 It's like a kid with all kinds of athletic ability,

00:04:43.600 but if a coach never directs that ability toward the achievement of some good,

00:04:48.400 that he can become a great tennis player or a great golfer,

00:04:51.140 then the freedom begins to kind of stew on itself.

00:04:55.420 No, direct freedom, direct talent, direct energy.

00:04:58.980 And our culture, see, it's like, I think of this,

00:05:02.000 if you have banks to a river, the river has energy.

00:05:05.580 It's going somewhere.

00:05:06.800 You knock down the banks.

00:05:08.140 You say, oh, I don't want to be limited.

00:05:09.640 Don't set limits to my freedom.

00:05:11.340 It just floods the fields.

00:05:12.420 It just opens up in this big lazy lake,

00:05:14.860 and everyone's just sort of lying on their air mattresses, right?

00:05:17.740 Now, I'll tolerate you.

00:05:18.920 You tolerate me.

00:05:19.740 I won't bother you.

00:05:20.780 But then we're not getting anywhere.

00:05:22.640 The point of the banks is not to restrict me,

00:05:25.280 it's to direct me, see, towards some good.

00:05:28.000 Well, religion has played that role for much of our history.

00:05:31.080 And in the measure that religion gets marginalized,

00:05:33.900 and in the measure that we deify our autonomy,

00:05:36.100 welcome to the unhappy world that many of the young people are living in, sadly.

00:05:41.780 Deify our autonomy.

00:05:44.080 So you're speaking as if autonomy and choice are the same thing or closely related.

00:05:49.540 Yeah, that my autonomy, see, the goal for the Bible is not autonomy.

00:05:52.960 It's theonomy.

00:05:54.840 God, theos, becomes the nomos.

00:05:57.160 God becomes the law of my life.

00:05:58.460 And see, here's the trick.

00:06:01.580 When God becomes the norm of my life,

00:06:04.080 I become more myself.

00:06:06.260 I find who I really am.

00:06:08.820 If I jettison God and I say, no, autonomy,

00:06:11.560 it's I'm the leader of my own life,

00:06:13.240 I get lost, right?

00:06:14.700 What does Jesus say?

00:06:15.340 The one who loses himself, you know, will find it.

00:06:18.860 The one who's trying to hang on to himself is going to lose it.

00:06:23.860 Lose your freedom in God's greater freedom,

00:06:26.880 and you become now authentically free.

00:06:29.540 That's every spiritual master in the West teaches that lesson.

00:06:32.700 But we lose it in the measure that we say,

00:06:34.700 no, it's all about my autonomy.

00:06:36.080 That's all that matters.

00:06:37.540 Don't tell me what to do.

00:06:38.700 Throw off the rules.

00:06:40.180 Right.

00:06:40.560 Knock down the banks, and the river becomes a lazy lake,

00:06:43.440 and we tolerate each other blandly,

00:06:46.120 but we don't have a common purpose.

00:06:47.720 That's another problem.

00:06:49.060 See, if you reject objective value,

00:06:52.460 so you got your values, I got my values,

00:06:54.420 your freedom, my freedom,

00:06:55.860 well, what connects us?

00:06:57.300 In fact, we're antagonistic to each other, right?

00:06:59.880 We tend to grow into hostility,

00:07:01.380 and my freedom's against your freedom.

00:07:03.060 But if together we find a common good,

00:07:06.420 a common goal, now we can join forces, right?

00:07:09.640 So it's falling in love, that's Aristotle,

00:07:12.500 with the transcendent third.

00:07:14.780 So, like, if two friends like each other, that's fine.

00:07:19.560 But Aristotle says that won't last, that relationship.

00:07:22.700 What makes it last is when the two friends together

00:07:25.300 fall in love with the transcendent third,

00:07:28.260 the country or their philosophy or some great value.

00:07:32.120 And now together we look to that.

00:07:34.320 Now we really find a bond.

00:07:37.540 Go back now to the 1950s,

00:07:39.420 and Fulton Sheen, the great Catholic preacher,

00:07:41.120 writes a book called Three to Get Married.

00:07:43.520 Made the same argument, right?

00:07:45.000 The three are the bride, the groom, and Christ.

00:07:47.880 When the bride and groom together look to Christ,

00:07:50.780 now they'll stay married.

00:07:52.160 If they're just looking to each other,

00:07:54.280 it'll founder.

00:07:55.140 What are the banks that we've demolished?

00:08:00.700 Well, I would say objective value.

00:08:03.540 You know, the life of the mind,

00:08:05.780 the moral good, religious good, aesthetic.

00:08:09.320 Think of the good, the true, and the beautiful.

00:08:11.220 If we subjectivize those and just relativize them,

00:08:14.540 you got yours, I got mine,

00:08:16.000 what you think is right, I think is wrong.

00:08:18.760 When that's lost, the banks are knocked down.

00:08:20.880 But when together, oh no, we can together reverence the beautiful.

00:08:26.540 We can together reverence the moral good.

00:08:28.680 We can together reverence the epistemological good,

00:08:31.640 the intellectual good.

00:08:33.600 Then together we move someplace.

00:08:36.520 And see, our whole system educationally

00:08:38.660 was set up classically to do just that,

00:08:41.820 was to train people in what these objectivities are.

00:08:45.600 But when you subjectivize those,

00:08:47.640 or you see it simply as part of an oppressive

00:08:50.360 or patriarchal system, you know,

00:08:52.580 why read Shakespeare?

00:08:54.060 He's just an old patriarch.

00:08:55.320 See, but that's a very dangerous game to play.

00:08:57.780 Now we've lost a common mooring.

00:09:00.280 And then we devolve into this sort of self-regarding autonomy.

00:09:05.760 So, I mean, Christianity is probably not the,

00:09:08.240 I don't think it's the only religion to make this point,

00:09:10.140 but self is the trap.

00:09:12.080 Yeah.

00:09:13.340 Yeah.

00:09:14.180 So you think of the self here,

00:09:15.500 the ego is like a black hole,

00:09:16.940 a black hole that will draw everything into itself.

00:09:19.440 Sucks all of life and light and energy into itself.

00:09:23.900 Nothing can escape.

00:09:25.500 The cravatus in se, ego, right,

00:09:28.060 becomes a black hole.

00:09:29.560 And I've known people like that.

00:09:31.040 I'm sure you have too.

00:09:31.860 Oh, yeah.

00:09:32.240 You're with them.

00:09:33.280 They'll draw everything into themselves.

00:09:36.340 The best people are those who breathe life into a room.

00:09:39.600 And that happens because they're not preoccupied with the ego.

00:09:43.200 They're captivated by some objective good.

00:09:45.720 And they want to show it to you.

00:09:48.260 Think of some great coaches I had as a kid

00:09:50.340 that wanted to show me the various games I learned to play.

00:09:53.580 Baseball.

00:09:54.500 We had a coach when I was a little guy,

00:09:56.360 seven, eight years old.

00:09:57.160 And he said, all right, guys,

00:09:57.960 I want you to get down on your hands and knees on the field.

00:10:00.460 I want you to feel the infield.

00:10:02.540 And I want you to smell the grass.

00:10:06.200 And it was such a good move.

00:10:07.900 He was trying to get us in.

00:10:09.280 Look at this great game we're playing here.

00:10:11.160 He also practically, if you're playing shortstop,

00:10:13.320 you can't be afraid of the ground.

00:10:14.440 You got to get down on the ground.

00:10:15.520 Exactly.

00:10:16.140 So, all right, boys, get down there.

00:10:18.500 Well, he was someone in love with baseball

00:10:20.360 and then was communicating to us the same love.

00:10:23.780 So together we'd fall in love with the transcendent third,

00:10:26.620 which is baseball.

00:10:27.760 That's going to bring a team together, right?

00:10:30.700 That's what great teachers and coaches

00:10:32.560 and mentors and spiritual directors do.

00:10:35.320 They help people fall in love

00:10:36.800 with the same values they fall in love with.

00:10:40.120 And fall in love with something bigger than themselves,

00:10:42.920 you know, other people, nature, God.

00:10:44.680 And look, even that fall in love, right?

00:10:46.920 You're not in control.

00:10:48.440 You've let go of your own ego drama.

00:10:52.060 I love that language from Hans Urs von Balthasar,

00:10:54.980 one of my favorite theologians from the last century.

00:10:57.360 John Paul loved him and Benedict loved him.

00:10:59.880 He talked about the ego drama,

00:11:01.720 which is the drama that I'm starring in,

00:11:04.660 I'm producing it, I'm directing it, right?

00:11:07.720 And you're all actors in my play?

00:11:10.220 Yes, you're all actors in my play,

00:11:11.760 and I'm going to take it on the road eventually somewhere else.

00:11:14.100 Well, that's a very boring thing.

00:11:16.940 What's exciting, he said, was the theodrama,

00:11:19.080 which is God's writing a drama,

00:11:21.080 God's producing a drama.

00:11:22.120 He's got a role for you,

00:11:23.460 and he's trying to draw you into playing that role.

00:11:26.620 And it might not be the role at all

00:11:28.120 that you envisioned for yourself.

00:11:29.260 Yes, so what?

00:11:30.100 But he's calling you into it.

00:11:31.920 That's going to be an exciting life,

00:11:33.540 a theodramatic life,

00:11:35.000 a theonomous life,

00:11:36.620 not an autonomous life.

00:11:38.360 Oh, that's, wow, that's vivid.

00:11:41.080 So what's the daily practice

00:11:42.580 for someone to move beyond himself,

00:11:45.800 to get out of like me?

00:11:47.800 Fall in love with objective value.

00:11:49.820 Find mentors that can really help you enter that world.

00:11:53.260 Like, in my own life, I've loved that.

00:11:54.940 I'm no great, I play the guitar poorly,

00:11:58.180 but I love classical music.

00:11:59.560 I had mentors early on that,

00:12:01.520 let me play you, you know,

00:12:02.880 Beethoven's Seventh Symphony.

00:12:04.300 Let me just play it for you

00:12:05.040 and then talk about it.

00:12:07.180 I remember the Queen of the Night aria,

00:12:10.240 the famous Mozart aria,

00:12:11.400 where the woman is singing

00:12:12.640 these impossibly high notes.

00:12:14.520 I remember teachers, listen, listen to this.

00:12:17.480 Someone that would draw me into that world,

00:12:19.820 like my coach is drawing me into baseball.

00:12:22.160 Now, put it in religious context,

00:12:23.740 prayer.

00:12:25.000 People that taught me how to pray

00:12:26.680 when I was a young guy,

00:12:27.600 we think, okay, say my prayers.

00:12:29.480 No, but prayer is a conscious exercise

00:12:32.220 in overcoming autonomy, right?

00:12:35.420 It's a conscious exercise to say,

00:12:37.760 I want to get out of my preoccupations.

00:12:40.180 I'm placing myself in the presence of God.

00:12:43.440 I'm using language of the Psalms and so on.

00:12:45.980 I'm using song.

00:12:46.780 I'm using silence.

00:12:47.760 I'm using the rosary, whatever it is.

00:12:49.940 All of it's designed to get me up out of myself

00:12:52.620 and into the space of God.

00:12:55.380 So prayer is a way, you know, to overcome.

00:12:57.520 How do you pray?

00:12:59.160 You said you were taught to pray.

00:13:00.680 I was, indeed.

00:13:02.500 Very early on, when I was in my early 20s,

00:13:04.700 before I was a priest,

00:13:05.820 but I got into what we call the Liturgy of the Hours

00:13:08.440 in the Catholic Church,

00:13:09.320 which is this daily prayer at certain points during the day,

00:13:12.860 imitating, by the way,

00:13:13.720 the seven times you pray in the Bible,

00:13:15.600 you know, seven times a day you stop to pray.

00:13:17.320 So the Hours, Psalms, Canticles, Biblical...

00:13:21.080 Wait, the Bible tells...

00:13:23.040 Yeah, the Old Testament has that in the past

00:13:25.120 is about seven times I stopped to pray.

00:13:28.080 And so the early church imitated that

00:13:29.800 in the rhythm of the monastic life.

00:13:32.040 And the Liturgy of the Hours

00:13:33.340 would be kind of a monastic life for non-monks,

00:13:36.260 people like, you know, you and me.

00:13:38.340 But you use the Psalms, the Canticles,

00:13:40.520 the readings, the church fathers.

00:13:42.380 And I was taught that prayer early on.

00:13:44.340 And at times, you know, I found it tiresome

00:13:46.260 or difficult to do.

00:13:47.740 Now it's like water in the desert.

00:13:51.520 When I was a young guy, we didn't pray the Rosary.

00:13:54.040 The Rosary was seen as kind of something

00:13:55.440 your grandmother did.

00:13:56.640 My generation didn't spontaneously pray it.

00:13:59.080 But then I learned it later in life.

00:14:01.080 And that too is like a lifeline to me.

00:14:03.640 What is the Rosary?

00:14:04.800 Well, it's this collection...

00:14:06.140 I have it on me.

00:14:07.200 It's a collection of Hail Marys,

00:14:09.340 Our Fathers, Glory Bees in a, you know, in a rope.

00:14:12.900 And you count your way through the beads.

00:14:15.700 And it takes about 20 or 25 minutes.

00:14:18.460 It's a meditative prayer.

00:14:19.700 As you're praying the Hail Marys,

00:14:20.920 you're meditating upon the mysteries

00:14:22.180 of Jesus' life and Mary's life.

00:14:24.800 It doesn't get you anywhere.

00:14:26.140 You start here and you end up

00:14:27.600 exactly where you started.

00:14:29.500 So it doesn't...

00:14:30.500 It's not effective in that way.

00:14:32.820 It's a meditative prayer.

00:14:34.280 I prayed it.

00:14:35.040 I remember I was giving a retreat

00:14:36.160 to the priests of Dublin many years ago.

00:14:38.920 These were mostly older men,

00:14:40.640 been through the wars, you know, most of them.

00:14:42.900 And they invited me to come.

00:14:44.720 They said, we're going to pray the rosary tonight.

00:14:46.260 And all these Irish guys,

00:14:48.480 and it was,

00:14:48.820 Hail Mary for the grace of the Lord,

00:14:49.620 say the best of the Lord.

00:14:50.500 Hail Mary for the grace of the Lord,

00:14:51.700 say the best of the Lord.

00:14:52.220 Hail Mary for the...

00:14:53.260 I thought, what is going on?

00:14:54.700 But what became clear to me was,

00:14:56.400 well, it's like a mantra.

00:14:57.420 They were producing this kind of meditative mantra.

00:15:01.420 They finished it in about seven minutes.

00:15:03.640 You know, it takes usually 25.

00:15:05.820 But that's part...

00:15:06.280 They don't pronounce all the sounds, though.

00:15:08.640 No, they're kind of...

00:15:10.740 See, think of it,

00:15:12.040 the Buddhists talk about the calming of the monkey mind.

00:15:15.000 That's the mind that's always leaping from branch to branch.

00:15:17.440 The mind that gets you through the day.

00:15:18.880 I got to do this, got to do that.

00:15:20.240 But to really pray,

00:15:21.440 you have to calm that mind down.

00:15:23.480 You have to...

00:15:23.920 Come on, come on.

00:15:24.380 I can't be appropriate with that.

00:15:26.400 So the church has often used these means to do that,

00:15:29.520 to calm that mind,

00:15:30.920 to open up to a deeper consciousness

00:15:33.280 or a deeper awareness.

00:15:34.320 And prayer is that, it seems to me.

00:15:38.500 Thomas Merton said,

00:15:40.120 prayer is finding the place in you

00:15:42.540 where you are here and now being created by God,

00:15:45.960 which I think is a great definition of prayer.

00:15:48.120 So right now,

00:15:49.820 you and I are being created by God.

00:15:51.940 But we're rarely aware of that.

00:15:53.480 We go through our day, you know,

00:15:54.820 the monkey mind,

00:15:55.600 and we're doing this and this.

00:15:57.120 But at certain points, you say,

00:15:58.640 okay, I'm going to calm the monkey mind.

00:16:00.300 And I'm going to open up a deeper door, you know,

00:16:04.260 and I'm going to commune with the God

00:16:06.340 who's here and now creating me.

00:16:08.640 That's prayer.

00:16:09.600 And then there's all kinds of disciplines around that.

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00:20:05.780 But I think many people think of prayer

00:20:07.660 as a list of requests.

00:20:09.220 And that's okay.

00:20:10.480 I mean, petitionary prayer is good.

00:20:13.060 John Paul II, toward the end of his life,

00:20:15.040 he said, I know different types of prayer,

00:20:17.140 but I found the longer I live

00:20:19.100 that all prayer is basically a petition.

00:20:22.440 And there's something really right about that,

00:20:24.140 that no matter how kind of high

00:20:25.660 and elevated your prayer is,

00:20:27.840 at bottom you're saying,

00:20:29.360 you know, Lord Jesus Christ,

00:20:31.300 have pity on me.

00:20:32.160 Yes.

00:20:32.620 Or Lord, help me.

00:20:34.880 I find it, as I pray,

00:20:36.660 that's the phrase.

00:20:37.900 Help me.

00:20:39.180 Help me, Lord.

00:20:40.540 That's fine.

00:20:41.260 I have no problem with that.

00:20:42.000 That's a very deep and powerful prayer.

00:20:43.880 How do you keep your mind

00:20:44.660 from wandering during prayer?

00:20:46.240 Yeah, and read the masters.

00:20:47.980 They've recognized that forever.

00:20:49.600 The Desert Fathers knew all about

00:20:51.180 that distraction in prayer.

00:20:52.600 And of course, the devil loves that too.

00:20:54.180 He loves to distract us in prayer.

00:20:57.500 The best advice,

00:20:58.320 someone like John of the Cross,

00:20:59.460 our greatest spiritual master,

00:21:00.760 would be acknowledge the distraction,

00:21:03.320 don't try to fight it,

00:21:04.220 acknowledge it,

00:21:04.980 and then go back.

00:21:06.920 If it comes again,

00:21:07.860 acknowledge it,

00:21:08.400 I see you,

00:21:09.160 and go back.

00:21:11.800 Don't try to fight it

00:21:12.960 or don't try techniques

00:21:13.900 to avoid it completely.

00:21:15.640 Distraction comes,

00:21:16.580 see it,

00:21:17.160 and then return.

00:21:18.380 Let go of it.

00:21:20.440 I've noticed in the past few years,

00:21:22.580 people I know who are secular

00:21:24.380 or have always been

00:21:25.740 suddenly talking about

00:21:27.080 the existence of evil

00:21:28.060 in the world.

00:21:29.220 I think it's very clear

00:21:30.760 to non-religious people

00:21:32.880 even that there's some kind

00:21:34.100 of supernatural force of darkness

00:21:35.840 like a foot in the world.

00:21:38.140 I don't think you really need

00:21:39.120 to make that case anymore

00:21:40.000 that that's real.

00:21:41.000 How do you see God

00:21:43.000 in the world?

00:21:44.080 Because if you spend your life,

00:21:45.580 you know,

00:21:46.080 staring at evil,

00:21:47.600 probably not productive.

00:21:49.160 No.

00:21:49.620 Well, the world is charged

00:21:50.580 with the grandeur of God.

00:21:51.660 That's Jared Manley Hopkins'

00:21:52.820 great poem,

00:21:53.400 and I think that's right,

00:21:54.400 is if you have the eyes

00:21:55.340 to see,

00:21:55.920 and prayer disciplines that.

00:21:58.060 Prayer makes that possible.

00:21:59.360 The world is charged

00:22:00.400 with the grandeur of God,

00:22:01.320 meaning everything that exists,

00:22:02.880 because being and good

00:22:03.980 are convertible terms.

00:22:05.140 That's something

00:22:05.540 from Thomas Aquinas

00:22:06.400 that I think you can...

00:22:07.940 Being and good

00:22:09.000 are convertible terms.

00:22:10.620 In other words,

00:22:11.120 to be is to be good, period.

00:22:13.800 Whatever is, is good.

00:22:16.040 Evil is,

00:22:17.080 a clients would call it

00:22:17.720 a privation of the good.

00:22:21.000 Evil is a cavity.

00:22:23.120 It's a lack, right?

00:22:24.100 But whatever is, is good.

00:22:26.540 So, for example,

00:22:27.200 take the devil as an example.

00:22:28.380 Is the devil good?

00:22:29.500 Sure, of course.

00:22:30.480 In the measure

00:22:30.920 the devil exists,

00:22:32.280 has a mind,

00:22:33.040 has a will,

00:22:33.740 all that is good.

00:22:35.040 What's evil about the devil

00:22:36.180 is the corruption of mind

00:22:38.060 and will and power, right?

00:22:40.500 That's why, like,

00:22:41.420 Satan and Dante,

00:22:43.020 this is highest of angels,

00:22:45.540 full of goodness.

00:22:47.140 God doesn't make anything

00:22:48.040 that's not good,

00:22:49.220 but it's become corrupt, see?

00:22:51.660 So, the trick there

00:22:52.600 is always to focus on the good,

00:22:55.100 because being and good

00:22:55.800 are convertible terms.

00:22:57.120 Whatever is, is good.

00:22:58.480 Think of the mystics

00:22:59.580 who talk about,

00:23:01.000 you see, like,

00:23:01.400 a little bug crawling

00:23:02.040 across this table.

00:23:03.380 That's an avenue toward God,

00:23:05.320 because if you look

00:23:06.400 at this little tiny bug,

00:23:07.640 let's say,

00:23:08.280 but the more you look at it,

00:23:09.420 I mean,

00:23:09.620 incredible complexity

00:23:10.880 and richness

00:23:11.460 and density

00:23:12.200 of its being,

00:23:13.100 and of course it speaks

00:23:15.300 to you of the creator

00:23:16.880 of all things,

00:23:17.960 that whose very nature

00:23:18.940 is to be, right?

00:23:20.040 So, all being reflects God.

00:23:21.960 And if you have the eyes

00:23:22.940 to see,

00:23:23.500 that's what the great saints

00:23:24.360 have,

00:23:24.700 they see that all the time.

00:23:27.060 We sinners tend to focus

00:23:28.900 a lot on the lack, right?

00:23:30.260 We focus on the cavity,

00:23:31.440 not the tooth.

00:23:32.440 The idea is look at the tooth.

00:23:33.880 It's always acknowledging

00:23:36.060 the cavities,

00:23:37.020 because there are plenty of them,

00:23:38.480 but the focus should be

00:23:39.960 on being,

00:23:40.640 being good

00:23:41.140 are convertible terms.

00:23:43.060 I may be too shallow

00:23:44.260 for Catholic theology,

00:23:45.420 but I love what you're saying.

00:23:46.900 Yeah, but that's as old as...

00:23:48.080 Being and good

00:23:48.980 are convertible terms.

00:23:50.000 They talk about

00:23:50.980 the transcendental properties

00:23:52.180 of being,

00:23:52.760 which means wherever there is...

00:23:53.780 So, there's glass.

00:23:54.980 It's good,

00:23:56.400 it's true,

00:23:56.880 and it's beautiful.

00:23:57.900 Now, why is it good?

00:23:58.720 Well, because it corresponds

00:23:59.540 to the will in some ways.

00:24:00.880 There's, you know,

00:24:01.520 yeah, I want to study this glass.

00:24:03.740 It's interesting,

00:24:04.560 and look at the beauty of it,

00:24:06.420 you know?

00:24:07.080 It's true,

00:24:07.840 because it corresponds

00:24:08.460 in its intelligibility

00:24:09.720 to an inquiring mind.

00:24:11.380 The mind wants to understand

00:24:12.760 that thing.

00:24:13.160 What is that thing?

00:24:14.400 It's beautiful,

00:24:15.120 because it's radiant,

00:24:16.480 you know?

00:24:17.700 It...

00:24:18.220 Go back to, like,

00:24:19.560 James Joyce,

00:24:20.340 the famous scene,

00:24:21.120 you know,

00:24:21.320 in the portrait of the artist,

00:24:22.500 when he sees the woman,

00:24:23.520 he eventually would marry,

00:24:25.100 Nora Barnacle,

00:24:25.700 and he sees her out

00:24:26.880 on the strand

00:24:27.440 and he has this rapturous

00:24:28.620 description of her,

00:24:30.060 remember?

00:24:30.640 And at the end of it,

00:24:31.740 he says,

00:24:32.720 oh, heavenly God.

00:24:34.220 And that's the way it works,

00:24:35.780 is the beautiful,

00:24:36.940 this particular,

00:24:37.700 this particular girl

00:24:38.680 he sees out in the surf,

00:24:40.380 but she speaks to him of God.

00:24:43.100 So, that's why whatever is,

00:24:44.580 is good,

00:24:45.140 it's true,

00:24:45.600 and it's beautiful.

00:24:46.740 Those are all convertible terms.

00:24:48.700 It seems like the threat,

00:24:51.340 maybe the satanic threat,

00:24:52.480 is distraction.

00:24:53.700 Yeah.

00:24:54.580 You know,

00:24:54.800 I think that's absolutely right,

00:24:56.000 that we focus so much

00:24:57.040 on the lack.

00:24:57.840 It's like you're sucking

00:24:58.500 on an aching tooth,

00:24:59.560 you know,

00:24:59.740 you're focused on the lack.

00:25:02.860 But see,

00:25:03.560 you know,

00:25:03.880 St. Paul says,

00:25:04.800 where sin abounds,

00:25:05.880 grace abounds the more.

00:25:07.340 And that's not just a nice,

00:25:08.740 like,

00:25:09.060 Hallmark card sentiment,

00:25:10.060 that's a metaphysical truth.

00:25:12.340 Wherever there's sin,

00:25:13.300 sure,

00:25:13.700 there's sin everywhere,

00:25:14.720 but grace is always greater.

00:25:16.660 It has to be,

00:25:17.720 because sin is a cavity.

00:25:19.360 You know,

00:25:19.640 it's in Tolkien,

00:25:20.680 remember when the,

00:25:21.420 what are they,

00:25:22.000 the Nazguls,

00:25:23.000 these flying,

00:25:24.220 demons,

00:25:24.840 they're threatening

00:25:25.420 the battlefield

00:25:26.040 and all this.

00:25:27.040 But then when they finally

00:25:28.100 conquer them,

00:25:28.700 what do they discover?

00:25:29.700 They're nothing.

00:25:30.780 They're a cloak

00:25:31.640 that covers nothing.

00:25:33.420 And it's because

00:25:33.800 evil is a type

00:25:35.400 of non-being.

00:25:36.980 And so,

00:25:37.560 it puts on a big show,

00:25:39.620 it puts this big cloak

00:25:40.600 over itself.

00:25:41.580 But what it is,

00:25:42.460 is just a lack,

00:25:43.380 it's a cavity.

00:25:44.880 That's why,

00:25:45.420 if sin is abounding,

00:25:46.720 sure,

00:25:47.140 sin abounds in our world.

00:25:48.500 But grace abounds

00:25:50.000 the more.

00:25:51.260 You know,

00:25:51.400 the gates of hell

00:25:52.220 will not prevail

00:25:53.260 against church.

00:25:53.900 They can't in a way.

00:25:55.300 They can't.

00:25:56.260 And we should have

00:25:56.880 that confidence.

00:25:58.200 Christians should never

00:25:58.980 be cowed by evil.

00:26:00.960 Like,

00:26:01.120 oh my,

00:26:01.760 we acknowledge it,

00:26:03.020 but the great saints

00:26:04.680 are not cowed by evil.

00:26:05.900 Because evil is a lack,

00:26:08.140 it's a cavity,

00:26:09.120 it's a nozgul,

00:26:10.240 it's a non-being,

00:26:11.680 right?

00:26:13.100 Where do you see grace?

00:26:16.860 Bob Dylan is one

00:26:17.820 of my great heroes,

00:26:18.460 you know.

00:26:19.040 Look around this whole world

00:26:20.440 and all that I'm finding

00:26:21.500 is the saving grace

00:26:22.600 that's over me.

00:26:23.540 That's Bob Dylan

00:26:24.300 after he became a Christian.

00:26:26.900 You know,

00:26:27.340 grace is being.

00:26:28.500 Grace is what's real.

00:26:30.280 Grace.

00:26:31.100 Toutes graces.

00:26:31.820 That's a line

00:26:32.460 from Bernanos,

00:26:33.460 the great French

00:26:34.340 Catholic novelist.

00:26:35.260 Toutes graces.

00:26:35.920 Everything's grace.

00:26:37.060 Everything's grace.

00:26:38.080 Because of that principle,

00:26:39.540 whatever is,

00:26:40.180 is good.

00:26:41.740 Whatever is,

00:26:42.500 is true and beautiful.

00:26:43.500 Whatever is,

00:26:44.340 reflects the one

00:26:45.800 whose name is to be,

00:26:47.280 right?

00:26:47.500 When Moses asked God,

00:26:48.980 what's your name?

00:26:49.580 And God says,

00:26:50.080 I am who I am,

00:26:51.640 right?

00:26:51.800 Well,

00:26:51.920 our tradition reads that

00:26:52.840 as I'm not contingent,

00:26:55.360 evanescent being.

00:26:56.200 I'm the one

00:26:56.740 whose very nature

00:26:57.460 is to be.

00:26:58.520 So,

00:26:58.880 therefore,

00:26:59.160 whatever is,

00:26:59.920 is reflective of God.

00:27:02.180 That's where you find grace,

00:27:03.180 I think.

00:27:03.920 So,

00:27:04.040 if you could distract people

00:27:05.300 sufficient that they

00:27:07.300 never had the time

00:27:09.200 or the inclination

00:27:10.960 to notice

00:27:11.880 things that are real,

00:27:14.320 you would trap them

00:27:15.140 in a kind of hell.

00:27:16.360 Yeah.

00:27:17.040 Yes,

00:27:17.480 but that's exactly

00:27:18.520 what happens,

00:27:19.280 isn't it?

00:27:19.640 Dude,

00:27:19.940 now psychodynamically,

00:27:21.560 is when we focus

00:27:22.640 on all this kind of lack

00:27:23.880 and anxiety

00:27:24.420 and frustration within us,

00:27:25.540 it is a kind of

00:27:26.540 preoccupation with

00:27:27.360 what's not real.

00:27:28.540 That's true.

00:27:29.200 I'm not denying

00:27:30.160 the psychological reality

00:27:32.160 of suffering,

00:27:33.840 but metaphysically speaking,

00:27:36.720 evil is a type

00:27:37.600 of non-being.

00:27:38.660 And if I'm focused

00:27:39.520 on that,

00:27:40.240 then I'm going to

00:27:40.680 get myself in non-being.

00:27:41.820 Well,

00:27:41.900 I was thinking more

00:27:42.660 of the iPhone,

00:27:43.840 which when I use it,

00:27:45.660 cuts me off completely

00:27:46.540 from other people,

00:27:47.560 from the world around me,

00:27:49.200 from nature,

00:27:50.180 from myself.

00:27:51.300 Yes.

00:27:52.200 No,

00:27:52.440 no,

00:27:52.560 believe me,

00:27:53.300 I mean,

00:27:53.440 we're all addicted to it.

00:27:54.400 Those machines

00:27:54.940 were designed

00:27:55.380 to be addictive.

00:27:56.140 They worked.

00:27:57.620 During Lent,

00:27:58.400 this past Lent,

00:27:59.460 I did a resolution

00:28:00.620 for the first time

00:28:01.320 that one day a week

00:28:02.160 I put the phone away.

00:28:03.440 And I did it,

00:28:04.240 and it was a little bit

00:28:05.300 of a struggle,

00:28:05.720 but not terrible.

00:28:06.380 And I thought,

00:28:06.920 that's a good thing.

00:28:08.320 When we bring our guys

00:28:09.600 now into priesthood studies,

00:28:11.740 we have what's called

00:28:12.440 the propedeutic year,

00:28:13.580 this year of kind of

00:28:14.340 preparation before

00:28:15.280 the formal study begins.

00:28:17.240 And the thing that

00:28:18.580 all the guys say

00:28:19.520 they like best about it

00:28:20.900 is they take

00:28:21.740 their cell phones away.

00:28:22.840 So for the entire year,

00:28:24.040 I think once a week

00:28:25.000 you can check it

00:28:25.520 for emergencies

00:28:26.180 or something

00:28:26.620 or someone's got

00:28:27.320 access to it

00:28:28.080 in case of emergency,

00:28:29.580 but they take

00:28:30.260 the phones away

00:28:30.960 from the guys.

00:28:31.900 Great move.

00:28:32.860 And what happens to them?

00:28:33.780 What happens,

00:28:34.260 they all feel liberated.

00:28:35.380 They all come back

00:28:36.320 saying it was

00:28:36.800 the best year of my life

00:28:37.920 and I read books again

00:28:39.360 and I talked to people.

00:28:41.640 I cultivated friendship.

00:28:43.320 I played games.

00:28:44.280 I played sports.

00:28:45.920 And it's exactly

00:28:46.860 this principle.

00:28:47.740 I wasn't,

00:28:48.540 look at,

00:28:49.280 that's almost

00:28:49.800 an illustration

00:28:51.220 of Augustine's

00:28:52.080 curvatus and say

00:28:53.000 that I'm caved in

00:28:54.200 over my iPhone,

00:28:55.520 right?

00:28:56.560 That's what it looks like.

00:28:59.260 Do you think

00:29:00.000 that that's driving

00:29:00.840 some of the

00:29:01.700 disassociation

00:29:02.680 and agony

00:29:03.260 that we see around us?

00:29:05.040 Yeah,

00:29:05.180 it's not helping at all.

00:29:06.060 Jean Twenge

00:29:08.180 is a psychologist

00:29:08.920 from San Diego

00:29:09.940 that I read a lot

00:29:10.780 and she has a book

00:29:11.720 called iGen

00:29:12.440 about the generation

00:29:13.320 that came of age

00:29:14.160 totally with the iPhones

00:29:15.740 and iPads and stuff.

00:29:17.440 And she said

00:29:17.940 there's a direct correlation

00:29:19.200 between screen time

00:29:20.420 and depression,

00:29:21.340 which I find

00:29:21.940 perfectly plausible.

00:29:23.540 Leonard Sachs,

00:29:24.560 you know,

00:29:24.660 the great psychologist,

00:29:25.660 also a physician

00:29:26.640 dealing with young people

00:29:27.740 now for decades.

00:29:29.420 Same thing.

00:29:30.180 He says the correlation

00:29:31.240 between screen time

00:29:32.740 and look how unhealthy

00:29:34.580 it's making

00:29:35.000 our young kids.

00:29:36.440 When I was a little kid,

00:29:37.480 we were all skinny.

00:29:38.720 We all were,

00:29:39.240 all my friends

00:29:39.820 and I

00:29:41.180 because we were outside

00:29:42.060 from 8 o'clock

00:29:43.080 in the morning

00:29:43.500 until 8 o'clock

00:29:44.100 at night

00:29:44.380 in the summertime

00:29:44.860 playing games,

00:29:46.100 running around,

00:29:46.680 shooting hoops,

00:29:47.660 on a bike,

00:29:48.700 you know,

00:29:49.140 and way too many kids

00:29:50.520 now are hunched

00:29:51.440 over their iPhones.

00:29:52.720 And then it invites you

00:29:55.340 into such a world

00:29:56.320 of meanness

00:29:59.020 and competition

00:30:00.240 and look at my pictures

00:30:02.240 better than yours

00:30:03.020 and those people

00:30:03.780 that seem so much happier

00:30:04.720 than I am.

00:30:05.460 And no,

00:30:06.400 I think taking those things

00:30:07.480 out of the hands

00:30:08.000 of our kids

00:30:08.420 would be a great idea,

00:30:09.840 at least to some degree.

00:30:11.600 How do you force yourself

00:30:12.520 to notice things

00:30:13.700 beyond yourself?

00:30:14.740 Like what is your

00:30:15.380 actual discipline?

00:30:16.400 Like you wake up,

00:30:17.760 how do you keep God

00:30:18.860 ever present in mind

00:30:19.840 and yourself at bay?

00:30:21.300 Well,

00:30:21.520 my first move

00:30:22.500 is the holy hour.

00:30:23.460 So I learned that

00:30:24.320 from Fulton Sheen,

00:30:25.400 taught now a couple generations

00:30:27.780 to do every day

00:30:29.160 an hour

00:30:30.360 of uninterrupted prayer

00:30:32.100 in the presence

00:30:32.880 of the Blessed Sacrament.

00:30:33.860 So as a Catholic,

00:30:34.580 I have the Blessed Sacrament

00:30:35.540 in my house.

00:30:36.760 So first thing I do

00:30:37.500 in the morning,

00:30:37.880 I get a cup of coffee

00:30:38.660 and I go up to my chapel

00:30:40.500 and I will sit

00:30:42.100 in front of the Blessed Sacrament

00:30:42.980 for an hour.

00:30:44.280 And I'll pray my office

00:30:45.620 as part of it,

00:30:46.360 often pray the rosary

00:30:47.400 or other things.

00:30:48.360 Pardon again my ignorance,

00:30:49.460 what's your office?

00:30:51.520 You pray your office?

00:30:52.040 Yeah,

00:30:52.260 that's the Liturgy of the Hours.

00:30:53.500 Yeah,

00:30:53.760 what I was describing earlier.

00:30:54.900 Okay.

00:30:55.040 So that Psalms

00:30:56.880 and canticles

00:30:57.460 and readings

00:30:58.040 that a priest

00:30:58.860 read them as you pray them?

00:31:00.420 Yeah,

00:31:00.700 so I'll have the book

00:31:01.460 and I'll read the psalm

00:31:02.720 and usually then

00:31:03.260 spend some time meditating

00:31:04.540 and then do the next one,

00:31:06.880 you know,

00:31:07.220 and then I might,

00:31:07.980 let's say between

00:31:08.840 the Office of Readings,

00:31:10.400 which has to do

00:31:11.040 with the Church Fathers,

00:31:12.440 I read something

00:31:12.900 from the Church Fathers

00:31:13.720 and usually from the Bible.

00:31:15.800 Maybe between that

00:31:16.720 and morning prayer

00:31:17.360 I'll do the rosary

00:31:18.540 or then I might do

00:31:20.900 another form of prayer

00:31:21.740 between morning prayer

00:31:23.520 and midday prayer.

00:31:24.220 So I'll work my way

00:31:26.180 through the office

00:31:26.920 the Liturgy of the Hours

00:31:27.740 but my main task

00:31:29.280 is to sit

00:31:30.660 in the presence

00:31:32.080 of the Blessed Sacrament

00:31:32.780 and one of the great lines,

00:31:34.280 this goes back to

00:31:34.940 And what time is this

00:31:35.920 in the morning?

00:31:36.540 I wake up about 5.30

00:31:37.640 so like between 5.30

00:31:39.100 and 6.30.

00:31:39.740 Do you text like 11 people first

00:31:41.240 before you do this?

00:31:42.040 No, no, no, no.

00:31:42.620 I leave the phone

00:31:43.680 in my bedroom

00:31:44.540 so I always leave the phone

00:31:45.940 while I'm praying.

00:31:46.660 I don't have that

00:31:47.180 because that's

00:31:47.860 an immediate distraction

00:31:49.080 and that's the last thing

00:31:50.140 you want

00:31:50.600 when you're trying to pray

00:31:51.880 in a concentrated way.

00:31:53.220 And then some of that too

00:31:54.140 is petitionary prayer.

00:31:56.300 I'm a bishop

00:31:56.980 so people are always

00:31:58.000 hey bishop

00:31:58.940 would you pray for me

00:31:59.680 or my son's

00:32:00.460 having a hard time

00:32:01.160 so I try

00:32:02.400 to conjure

00:32:03.760 as best I can

00:32:04.700 the memory

00:32:05.240 of these various people

00:32:06.100 that ask me to pray for them.

00:32:07.680 I'll pray for my

00:32:08.700 parents and family members

00:32:10.660 who've died

00:32:11.200 so it's just

00:32:13.500 giving yourself

00:32:14.020 the leisure

00:32:14.700 you have a full hour

00:32:15.680 where you can bring

00:32:16.720 all this before the Lord.

00:32:18.760 When you pray

00:32:19.160 for someone who's died

00:32:20.020 what do you pray?

00:32:21.880 I pray they might

00:32:23.040 find peace and rest

00:32:24.380 I pray the Lord

00:32:26.020 might be kind

00:32:27.540 and good to them

00:32:28.220 you know

00:32:28.860 I pray all the time

00:32:30.220 for people who've died

00:32:30.900 because you're just

00:32:31.920 you're aware of it

00:32:32.680 when you're in

00:32:33.200 pastoral ministry

00:32:33.940 some people who've died

00:32:37.220 you know

00:32:37.540 they're not formally

00:32:38.220 canonized by the church

00:32:39.100 but I kind of

00:32:39.660 in an informal way

00:32:40.440 I think of them

00:32:41.120 as being already

00:32:42.220 in the presence of God

00:32:43.000 and I'll pray

00:32:43.460 for their intercession

00:32:44.460 Cardinal George

00:32:46.600 of Chicago

00:32:47.140 was a great mentor

00:32:48.020 to me

00:32:48.380 and I'm often

00:32:49.280 linked to him

00:32:50.940 in prayer

00:32:51.380 meaning you pray

00:32:53.420 for him

00:32:53.840 pray for him

00:32:54.660 but also

00:32:55.060 you know

00:32:55.600 I pray to him

00:32:56.900 not with the

00:32:58.300 complete confidence

00:32:59.080 I would pray

00:32:59.660 into a saint

00:33:00.160 canonized by the church

00:33:01.120 but with a kind of

00:33:02.200 you know

00:33:02.780 practical confidence

00:33:03.760 and I knew him

00:33:04.600 very well

00:33:05.100 and I asked

00:33:06.440 for his help

00:33:07.060 when you pray

00:33:08.620 do you hear back

00:33:09.360 not in the

00:33:11.040 you know

00:33:11.600 physical sense

00:33:12.760 but yeah

00:33:13.660 you get

00:33:14.420 I'd say a sense

00:33:15.960 you have a sense

00:33:17.460 of connection

00:33:18.360 I put it that way

00:33:19.420 sometimes in prayer

00:33:21.040 you get a very intense

00:33:22.160 feeling

00:33:23.160 the Irish talk about

00:33:24.580 thin places

00:33:25.860 you know

00:33:26.240 where the veil

00:33:26.920 between

00:33:27.400 this world next

00:33:28.320 becomes very thin

00:33:29.100 I find there

00:33:30.500 are kind of thin

00:33:31.120 moments like that

00:33:32.080 where there's a

00:33:33.060 moment when

00:33:34.060 you feel the other

00:33:35.500 world impinging

00:33:36.280 on yours

00:33:36.820 what kind of

00:33:38.840 feeling is that

00:33:39.540 peace

00:33:40.680 I would say

00:33:41.420 you know

00:33:42.220 harmony

00:33:44.240 the disharmony

00:33:45.860 the difficulty

00:33:46.480 of this life

00:33:47.200 kind of resolved

00:33:48.240 into a higher harmony

00:33:49.620 something like that

00:33:51.060 see you know

00:33:53.220 what's interesting

00:33:53.620 to me Tucker

00:33:54.240 is the world

00:33:55.800 that we're in

00:33:56.480 looking around

00:33:57.340 at this you know

00:33:57.920 interesting beautiful

00:33:58.920 place right now

00:33:59.660 and good

00:34:01.580 and the world

00:34:01.960 of nature

00:34:02.480 driving up here

00:34:03.520 seeing the nature

00:34:04.580 around me

00:34:05.120 beautiful

00:34:06.140 beautiful

00:34:06.800 but like

00:34:07.460 is that it

00:34:09.200 is that it

00:34:10.580 to me it seems

00:34:11.820 so unlikely

00:34:12.940 that the world

00:34:14.440 that the

00:34:15.360 sensorium

00:34:16.140 of these

00:34:16.860 advanced apes

00:34:17.900 can take in

00:34:18.640 is all there

00:34:19.340 is to reality

00:34:20.200 what my little

00:34:21.420 eyes can see

00:34:22.440 you know

00:34:22.700 they see a

00:34:23.240 narrow range

00:34:24.600 of the color

00:34:25.040 spectrum

00:34:25.460 and that's it

00:34:27.440 I think that's

00:34:27.960 so wildly

00:34:29.060 unlikely

00:34:29.640 just the

00:34:31.660 fecundity

00:34:32.640 and variety

00:34:34.520 of being

00:34:35.180 that we experience

00:34:35.860 through our

00:34:36.900 senses

00:34:37.340 I think

00:34:38.640 beyond our

00:34:39.520 senses

00:34:39.820 there's a world

00:34:40.820 of even more

00:34:41.620 extraordinary

00:34:42.160 fecundity

00:34:43.480 and richness

00:34:44.280 and I think

00:34:45.320 there are times

00:34:46.020 when we

00:34:46.800 sense it

00:34:48.000 we get in

00:34:48.340 touch with it

00:34:48.880 look

00:34:51.140 Plato knew

00:34:52.060 that

00:34:52.320 Plato knew

00:34:53.160 he talked about

00:34:54.240 stepping out

00:34:54.640 of the cave

00:34:55.200 right

00:34:55.540 and the first

00:34:56.600 step out

00:34:56.960 of the cave

00:34:57.540 the cave

00:34:57.980 is where

00:34:58.320 flickering

00:34:59.020 shadows

00:34:59.380 in the wall

00:34:59.700 it means

00:34:59.940 the world

00:35:00.320 of our

00:35:00.560 ordinary

00:35:00.840 experience

00:35:01.300 yes

00:35:01.580 I'm here

00:35:02.020 with you

00:35:02.240 right now

00:35:02.640 in a few

00:35:03.120 hours

00:35:03.380 I'll be

00:35:03.720 gone

00:35:03.920 somewhere

00:35:04.240 else

00:35:04.480 and other

00:35:05.100 images

00:35:05.420 will be

00:35:05.660 flickering

00:35:06.040 past

00:35:06.380 my

00:35:06.660 sensorium

00:35:07.580 okay

00:35:07.980 that's

00:35:08.560 that's

00:35:08.880 what this

00:35:09.120 life is

00:35:09.440 like

00:35:09.700 but

00:35:10.640 Plato

00:35:11.100 thought

00:35:11.360 the first

00:35:11.720 step

00:35:11.940 out of

00:35:12.160 the cave

00:35:12.440 was

00:35:12.600 mathematics

00:35:13.120 it's

00:35:13.780 very

00:35:13.960 interesting

00:35:14.280 because

00:35:15.040 when you

00:35:15.380 you understand

00:35:16.640 2 plus 3

00:35:17.340 equals 5

00:35:17.980 that's

00:35:19.200 you've stepped

00:35:19.760 out of this

00:35:20.320 world

00:35:20.620 in a very

00:35:21.620 real way

00:35:22.260 I can see

00:35:23.840 oh here are

00:35:24.400 two things

00:35:24.940 but when you

00:35:25.520 grasp the

00:35:26.380 principle

00:35:27.320 2 plus 3

00:35:28.400 equals 5

00:35:28.940 you're not

00:35:29.940 in the world

00:35:30.400 of ordinary

00:35:30.840 experience

00:35:31.280 anymore

00:35:31.580 you're in a

00:35:32.480 world now

00:35:32.920 of eternity

00:35:34.280 of immateriality

00:35:36.340 a world

00:35:37.040 that doesn't

00:35:37.560 change

00:35:37.960 that can't

00:35:38.500 change

00:35:38.800 even in

00:35:39.180 principle

00:35:39.560 well there's

00:35:40.040 nothing like

00:35:40.640 that in

00:35:40.880 this world

00:35:41.340 well Plato

00:35:42.060 knew that

00:35:42.620 when you

00:35:43.780 grasp the

00:35:44.300 quadratic

00:35:44.720 equation

00:35:45.460 or something

00:35:46.020 you're not

00:35:47.580 dealing with

00:35:48.020 a physical

00:35:48.480 reality

00:35:48.980 that has

00:35:49.840 color or

00:35:50.420 shape or

00:35:50.860 size or

00:35:51.400 nothing that's

00:35:52.580 that's

00:35:52.820 evanescent or

00:35:53.480 mutable

00:35:53.880 you've reached

00:35:54.840 a higher

00:35:55.180 plane of

00:35:55.560 existence

00:35:55.860 even

00:35:56.180 mathematics

00:35:56.780 does that

00:35:58.040 to us

00:35:58.720 a fortiori

00:36:00.060 now

00:36:00.420 philosophy

00:36:01.540 and then

00:36:02.060 even more

00:36:02.640 so

00:36:02.980 religion

00:36:03.520 are opening

00:36:04.800 you to

00:36:05.280 higher and

00:36:05.800 higher

00:36:05.960 expressions

00:36:06.400 of reality

00:36:07.080 here's a

00:36:08.240 fact of

00:36:08.620 life

00:36:08.860 you may

00:36:09.140 not learn

00:36:09.500 until you're

00:36:09.860 older

00:36:10.100 but I'm

00:36:10.460 going to

00:36:10.620 tell you

00:36:10.900 now

00:36:11.200 it's very

00:36:11.860 hard to

00:36:12.300 have a

00:36:12.520 good time

00:36:13.160 if you're

00:36:13.620 wearing

00:36:13.860 bad boots

00:36:14.840 in fact

00:36:15.220 it may be

00:36:15.600 impossible

00:36:16.060 and that's

00:36:16.580 why you

00:36:16.800 need

00:36:17.000 Tecovas

00:36:17.540 as a matter

00:36:18.520 of fact

00:36:18.700 you don't

00:36:18.880 just need

00:36:19.260 them

00:36:19.420 you owe

00:36:19.940 them

00:36:20.220 to yourself

00:36:21.080 Tecovas

00:36:21.560 makes

00:36:21.880 western

00:36:22.620 boots

00:36:22.940 for

00:36:23.180 everybody

00:36:23.760 ranchers

00:36:24.280 real

00:36:24.500 ranchers

00:36:25.000 lifelong

00:36:25.680 cowboys

00:36:26.300 first time

00:36:27.220 boot

00:36:27.540 buyers

00:36:27.940 and anyone

00:36:28.260 in between

00:36:28.740 every

00:36:29.580 Tecovas

00:36:30.180 boot

00:36:30.600 is

00:36:30.860 handcrafted

00:36:31.700 made by

00:36:32.000 hand

00:36:32.200 with over

00:36:32.520 200

00:36:33.160 meticulous

00:36:34.140 steps

00:36:34.700 for a

00:36:35.720 broken in

00:36:36.360 feel

00:36:36.600 right out

00:36:37.280 of the

00:36:37.500 box

00:36:37.740 you don't

00:36:37.960 have to

00:36:38.180 compromise

00:36:38.620 between

00:36:39.180 looks

00:36:39.840 and quality

00:36:40.660 you can

00:36:41.200 have them

00:36:41.420 both

00:36:41.680 whether it's

00:36:42.560 a long

00:36:43.000 day or

00:36:43.360 a big

00:36:43.680 night

00:36:43.960 Tecovas

00:36:44.400 are built

00:36:44.840 to last

00:36:45.380 and impressed

00:36:46.240 you wouldn't

00:36:47.060 believe

00:36:47.700 the compliments

00:36:48.380 people here

00:36:48.820 get when

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00:37:17.080 I'm not

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00:37:33.200 but now you

00:37:34.320 find yourself

00:37:34.840 checking every

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00:37:36.120 sure it's

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00:37:37.120 so be it

00:37:38.460 at Sobeez

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00:37:45.880 I don't think

00:37:49.740 you're fully

00:37:50.140 on board with

00:37:50.660 Darwinism

00:37:51.140 I'm getting

00:37:51.500 that sense

00:37:52.080 uh

00:37:53.320 well

00:37:54.520 in a couple

00:37:55.020 ways to

00:37:55.260 look at

00:37:55.500 that

00:37:55.780 I mean

00:37:56.300 there's a

00:37:57.160 big debate

00:37:57.600 going on

00:37:57.980 right now

00:37:58.480 in in the

00:37:59.700 world of

00:38:00.320 evolutionary

00:38:00.780 biologists

00:38:01.380 about Darwin

00:38:02.240 and neo-Darwinism

00:38:03.320 and questions

00:38:03.840 raised about it

00:38:04.620 uh

00:38:05.360 I mean in a

00:38:06.300 way I'm happy

00:38:07.100 to leave that

00:38:07.620 debate to them

00:38:08.400 I mean because

00:38:08.800 that's talking

00:38:09.780 about how do

00:38:10.560 life forms

00:38:11.720 develop over

00:38:12.800 time and

00:38:13.520 given genetic

00:38:14.360 variation and

00:38:15.900 and uh

00:38:16.640 natural

00:38:17.200 selection

00:38:17.720 okay fine

00:38:19.080 I'll let the

00:38:19.700 experts

00:38:20.120 debate that

00:38:21.100 yes

00:38:21.480 um

00:38:22.080 that in

00:38:22.800 itself is

00:38:23.520 not really

00:38:23.840 a theologically

00:38:24.600 relevant

00:38:25.120 concern

00:38:26.020 I'll leave

00:38:26.420 that to

00:38:26.740 them

00:38:27.040 I agree

00:38:27.540 but see

00:38:28.220 here's the

00:38:28.600 thing

00:38:28.780 creation

00:38:29.640 in the

00:38:30.760 theological

00:38:31.140 sense has

00:38:31.700 little to

00:38:32.060 do with

00:38:32.360 that

00:38:32.620 that's

00:38:33.080 all about

00:38:33.560 development

00:38:34.340 of

00:38:34.640 biological

00:38:35.200 forms

00:38:35.780 okay

00:38:36.320 creation

00:38:37.540 is something

00:38:38.000 much more

00:38:38.620 dramatic

00:38:39.300 creation

00:38:40.940 names

00:38:41.760 the

00:38:42.880 relationship

00:38:43.480 that

00:38:43.760 obtains

00:38:44.400 between

00:38:45.020 unconditioned

00:38:46.020 being

00:38:46.360 and conditioned

00:38:47.000 being

00:38:47.440 or to put

00:38:48.320 that in

00:38:48.580 more regular

00:38:49.380 language

00:38:49.940 between

00:38:50.520 God

00:38:50.840 and the

00:38:51.080 world

00:38:51.400 so I

00:38:52.360 mean like

00:38:52.640 right now

00:38:53.120 here you

00:38:53.500 and I

00:38:53.760 are sitting

00:38:54.100 here in

00:38:54.400 this table

00:38:54.900 in this

00:38:55.320 room

00:38:55.720 is entirely

00:38:57.020 conditioned

00:38:57.880 form of

00:38:58.360 existence

00:38:58.880 by which I

00:38:59.840 mean it

00:39:00.360 is but it

00:39:01.640 doesn't have

00:39:02.280 to be

00:39:02.780 I could have

00:39:04.200 missed the

00:39:04.540 ride up here

00:39:05.040 today you

00:39:05.620 could have

00:39:05.880 gotten sick

00:39:06.520 this thing

00:39:07.440 could have

00:39:07.860 fallen on

00:39:08.200 the table

00:39:08.700 it could be

00:39:10.320 a thousand

00:39:10.700 degrees and

00:39:11.280 we'd be

00:39:11.500 incinerated it

00:39:12.100 could be a

00:39:12.420 thousand

00:39:12.640 degrees below

00:39:13.140 zero we'd

00:39:13.640 be frozen

00:39:13.920 like there

00:39:14.600 are a million

00:39:15.380 things that

00:39:16.020 make this

00:39:17.200 set of

00:39:18.640 affairs

00:39:19.060 real

00:39:19.880 but it

00:39:21.360 doesn't have

00:39:21.820 to be

00:39:22.220 it doesn't

00:39:22.900 have to be

00:39:23.340 the case

00:39:23.780 so how do

00:39:25.320 you explain

00:39:25.760 that

00:39:26.080 well you

00:39:27.180 can't appeal

00:39:27.800 endlessly to

00:39:28.740 other

00:39:29.180 contingent

00:39:30.220 things

00:39:30.600 you have to

00:39:31.860 come finally

00:39:32.780 to some

00:39:33.820 reality

00:39:34.360 whose very

00:39:35.500 nature is

00:39:36.040 to be

00:39:36.420 that's not

00:39:37.820 contingent

00:39:38.460 not finite

00:39:39.260 not even

00:39:40.040 not dependent

00:39:41.160 but whose

00:39:42.360 very nature

00:39:43.080 is to be

00:39:43.880 I am

00:39:44.580 right

00:39:45.300 then go

00:39:45.580 back to

00:39:45.840 Moses

00:39:46.080 what's

00:39:46.460 your name

00:39:46.780 Moses was

00:39:47.820 asking a

00:39:48.240 very sensible

00:39:49.360 question

00:39:49.840 for this

00:39:50.640 worldly

00:39:51.020 perspective

00:39:51.520 so hey

00:39:52.460 what kind

00:39:52.980 of glass

00:39:53.320 is that

00:39:53.760 how tall

00:39:54.920 is that

00:39:55.220 glass

00:39:55.500 what kind

00:39:56.080 of table

00:39:56.460 is this

00:39:56.820 what kind

00:39:57.760 of table

00:39:58.100 is it

00:39:58.440 so you're a

00:39:59.740 god obviously

00:40:00.360 you seem to know

00:40:01.100 a lot about me

00:40:01.720 so which one

00:40:03.340 are you

00:40:03.640 you're the god

00:40:04.120 of the mountain

00:40:04.600 you're god

00:40:04.980 of the place

00:40:05.440 you're god

00:40:05.960 of these people

00:40:06.520 who are you

00:40:06.920 which one

00:40:07.220 are you

00:40:07.500 what's your

00:40:07.820 name

00:40:08.100 and so when

00:40:09.120 god says

00:40:09.600 i am who

00:40:11.320 i am

00:40:11.660 he's saying

00:40:12.620 dumb question

00:40:14.180 that is not

00:40:14.840 the right

00:40:15.180 question to

00:40:15.660 ask here

00:40:16.040 because i'm

00:40:17.000 not a

00:40:17.520 conditioned

00:40:17.920 state of

00:40:18.400 affairs

00:40:18.760 i'm not

00:40:19.260 a being

00:40:19.960 among many

00:40:20.720 my name

00:40:22.360 is i am

00:40:24.100 i am who

00:40:25.340 i am

00:40:26.040 right

00:40:26.640 my nature

00:40:27.240 is to be

00:40:27.960 well now

00:40:28.880 we're talking

00:40:29.440 about the

00:40:30.240 creator

00:40:30.780 see the

00:40:31.400 creator

00:40:31.880 is the

00:40:32.360 one

00:40:32.640 who is

00:40:33.560 here and

00:40:34.220 now

00:40:34.660 undergirding

00:40:36.360 all the

00:40:36.880 finite

00:40:37.160 reality

00:40:37.760 who is

00:40:38.640 right now

00:40:39.260 this is a

00:40:39.860 great line

00:40:40.300 from herbert

00:40:41.000 mccabe the

00:40:41.600 theologian

00:40:42.040 he's singing

00:40:42.820 the world

00:40:43.360 into being

00:40:43.980 the way

00:40:44.820 an opera

00:40:45.340 singer

00:40:45.740 sustains

00:40:46.660 a song

00:40:47.160 god

00:40:48.180 the ground

00:40:49.500 of being

00:40:50.000 is singing

00:40:51.320 this finite

00:40:52.000 world into

00:40:52.520 being

00:40:52.860 that's

00:40:53.980 creation

00:40:54.600 see

00:40:54.980 so now

00:40:56.240 within

00:40:56.720 creation

00:40:57.400 i can talk

00:40:57.940 all day

00:40:58.280 about the

00:40:58.740 darwinists

00:40:59.500 and how

00:40:59.860 this life

00:41:00.700 form

00:41:01.020 developed

00:41:01.420 into that

00:41:01.740 life

00:41:01.980 form

00:41:02.220 and i'll

00:41:02.480 let them

00:41:02.800 debate

00:41:03.080 that

00:41:03.360 but the

00:41:04.240 religious

00:41:04.540 question

00:41:05.000 remains

00:41:05.440 no matter

00:41:05.740 what you

00:41:06.180 say about

00:41:06.560 that

00:41:06.820 the religious

00:41:07.640 question is

00:41:08.140 about why

00:41:08.960 is there

00:41:09.280 something rather

00:41:09.980 than nothing

00:41:10.560 right exactly

00:41:11.220 why should

00:41:12.100 there be a

00:41:13.020 finite condition

00:41:13.800 world at

00:41:14.480 all you

00:41:15.660 can't explain

00:41:16.500 it by

00:41:16.840 appealing

00:41:17.280 endlessly to

00:41:18.000 other forms

00:41:18.600 of conditioned

00:41:19.100 existence you

00:41:19.800 can't that's

00:41:20.940 the mistake

00:41:21.400 of materialism

00:41:22.260 so the questions

00:41:22.960 end at a certain

00:41:23.680 point and there's

00:41:24.180 an answer so

00:41:25.100 the question

00:41:25.500 is well who

00:41:26.080 created the

00:41:27.860 creator and

00:41:28.660 the answer is

00:41:29.360 nobody the

00:41:30.100 creator right

00:41:30.520 right and if

00:41:31.100 you ask that

00:41:31.620 question it

00:41:32.260 means you

00:41:32.620 haven't grasped

00:41:33.440 the solution

00:41:34.000 if you say

00:41:34.460 who created

00:41:34.900 the creator

00:41:35.300 well then

00:41:35.560 you haven't

00:41:35.940 grasped

00:41:36.380 no the

00:41:37.180 argument leads

00:41:38.020 towards something

00:41:38.680 that doesn't

00:41:39.860 need to be

00:41:40.640 created that

00:41:41.240 can't be

00:41:41.820 created whose

00:41:42.960 very nature

00:41:43.540 is to be and

00:41:44.780 who therefore

00:41:45.200 is eternal

00:41:45.880 we'd say

00:41:46.380 outside of

00:41:47.040 time immaterial

00:41:48.120 outside of

00:41:48.800 space right

00:41:49.700 so all the

00:41:50.660 finite things

00:41:51.480 that are the

00:41:52.220 characteristics of

00:41:53.000 finite reality

00:41:53.660 can't apply to

00:41:54.760 that that

00:41:56.100 reality that's

00:41:57.640 why we say

00:41:58.060 God's eternal

00:41:58.700 or why he's

00:41:59.480 immaterial and

00:42:00.240 so on immutable

00:42:01.300 that means

00:42:02.320 nothing that

00:42:02.800 characterizes

00:42:03.700 finite things

00:42:04.360 should characterize

00:42:04.920 him

00:42:05.360 what do you

00:42:07.820 think of the

00:42:08.100 new atheists

00:42:08.740 I don't like

00:42:09.820 them

00:42:10.240 no look I

00:42:12.780 my ministry

00:42:14.300 word on fire

00:42:15.200 emerged around

00:42:15.940 that time

00:42:16.500 so right around

00:42:17.300 the year 2000

00:42:17.940 the new atheists

00:42:18.980 emerged after

00:42:20.020 September 11th

00:42:20.920 which is not

00:42:21.400 surprising because

00:42:22.400 September 11th

00:42:24.520 stirred to life

00:42:26.180 again this old

00:42:27.120 kind of enlightenment

00:42:27.860 idea

00:42:29.820 religion is

00:42:31.380 irrational

00:42:32.080 therefore it's

00:42:33.200 violent

00:42:33.600 because they

00:42:34.800 can't settle

00:42:35.460 things through

00:42:35.940 argument they

00:42:36.560 have to settle

00:42:37.020 them through

00:42:37.420 bombs and

00:42:38.140 guns and

00:42:38.680 war right

00:42:39.320 so that's an

00:42:40.120 old argument

00:42:40.740 goes back to

00:42:41.220 the 17th

00:42:42.100 century

00:42:42.400 it was revived

00:42:43.920 massively after

00:42:44.960 September 11th

00:42:46.360 the new atheists

00:42:47.020 I think rode that

00:42:48.000 wave in a big

00:42:48.760 way

00:42:49.060 now they were

00:42:50.420 gifted rhetoricians

00:42:51.620 especially Hitchens

00:42:52.480 right

00:42:52.920 I admire Hitchens

00:42:54.320 I read Hitchens

00:42:55.020 always with great

00:42:55.580 pleasure

00:42:56.040 Dawkins less so

00:42:58.540 Sam Harris

00:42:59.400 I think has

00:42:59.980 rhetorical gifts

00:43:01.120 but their

00:43:02.120 arguments

00:43:02.740 there's nothing

00:43:04.160 new about them

00:43:04.960 they were old

00:43:05.880 hat

00:43:06.200 they're borrowed

00:43:06.660 from Marx

00:43:07.340 and from Freud

00:43:08.280 and from Feuerbach

00:43:09.640 especially

00:43:10.100 so nothing new

00:43:12.160 at the intellectual

00:43:12.740 level

00:43:13.120 they were new

00:43:14.060 in their nastiness

00:43:15.080 so like the

00:43:16.200 classical atheists

00:43:17.360 think Feuerbach

00:43:18.160 Marx

00:43:19.120 Freud

00:43:19.520 you got the sense

00:43:20.800 they knew they

00:43:21.620 were dealing with

00:43:22.220 a formidable

00:43:22.760 opponent when

00:43:23.700 they were fighting

00:43:24.200 religion

00:43:24.640 the new atheists

00:43:25.600 it was like they

00:43:26.040 were dealing with

00:43:26.500 an idiot child

00:43:27.440 you know

00:43:27.920 and so that's

00:43:29.360 what was so

00:43:29.840 annoying about

00:43:30.480 them

00:43:30.720 I thought

00:43:31.140 and their

00:43:31.660 arguments were

00:43:32.220 pretty bad

00:43:32.900 and they were

00:43:34.000 you know

00:43:34.480 so aggressive

00:43:35.380 toward religion

00:43:36.180 they did a great

00:43:38.500 service though

00:43:39.100 I'll say this

00:43:39.820 they awakened

00:43:40.920 the Christian

00:43:41.400 churches in many

00:43:42.080 ways

00:43:42.320 the apologetic

00:43:44.280 weapons that

00:43:45.280 we threw away

00:43:46.380 40 years ago

00:43:47.700 we were compelled

00:43:48.920 to pick up again

00:43:49.720 so a lot of us

00:43:51.200 got into the game

00:43:52.160 to kind of

00:43:52.900 battle the new

00:43:53.760 atheists

00:43:54.200 and to draw upon

00:43:55.460 the very rich

00:43:56.760 intellectual tradition

00:43:57.780 especially of

00:43:58.380 Catholicism

00:43:59.020 so in that way

00:44:00.120 they did a

00:44:00.540 service to us

00:44:01.320 you know

00:44:01.680 and also

00:44:03.780 I wrote a paper

00:44:04.580 on this one

00:44:04.980 I called it

00:44:05.520 Thomas Aquinas

00:44:06.360 and why the

00:44:07.160 new atheists

00:44:07.740 are right

00:44:08.160 because the

00:44:09.560 new atheists

00:44:10.100 see they make

00:44:10.600 this mistake

00:44:11.400 we were just

00:44:11.780 talking about

00:44:12.300 they will

00:44:13.200 construe God

00:44:14.280 as some kind

00:44:15.140 of big being

00:44:16.080 and okay

00:44:17.980 is there this

00:44:18.660 big being

00:44:19.220 or not

00:44:19.700 some say

00:44:20.160 there is

00:44:20.620 some say

00:44:21.000 there isn't

00:44:21.580 so it's like

00:44:22.440 Bigfoot

00:44:22.980 you know

00:44:23.260 something

00:44:23.460 there is a

00:44:23.860 Bigfoot

00:44:24.200 there isn't

00:44:24.880 a Bigfoot

00:44:25.280 let's go

00:44:25.940 look around

00:44:26.460 for evidence

00:44:27.020 and find out

00:44:27.620 well you'll

00:44:28.680 never find

00:44:29.440 God that way

00:44:30.540 God isn't

00:44:31.260 a being

00:44:31.700 God isn't

00:44:32.460 a thing

00:44:33.140 in the world

00:44:33.780 right

00:44:34.240 he's the

00:44:35.320 reason why

00:44:36.020 there's a

00:44:36.420 world at all

00:44:37.140 therefore you're

00:44:37.600 not going to

00:44:37.900 find him

00:44:38.280 in the world

00:44:39.100 therefore you

00:44:39.940 can't say

00:44:40.380 things like

00:44:40.780 oh there's

00:44:41.120 no evidence

00:44:42.220 for God

00:44:42.880 as though

00:44:43.180 he's like

00:44:43.520 a chemical

00:44:45.540 reaction

00:44:46.160 he's a

00:44:46.420 yeti

00:44:46.740 yeah

00:44:47.120 right

00:44:47.520 he's not

00:44:47.880 like that

00:44:48.260 you have

00:44:49.680 to ask

00:44:50.040 a whole

00:44:50.340 different

00:44:50.620 set

00:44:50.980 of

00:44:51.140 questions

00:44:51.580 and that's

00:44:52.660 what the

00:44:52.920 new

00:44:53.080 atheist

00:44:53.380 did

00:44:53.760 and

00:44:54.180 like what

00:44:54.960 what were

00:44:56.300 the questions

00:44:56.720 like why

00:44:57.200 is there

00:44:57.380 something rather

00:44:57.860 than nothing

00:44:58.220 like why

00:44:58.820 should contingent

00:44:59.800 being exist

00:45:00.560 at all

00:45:01.240 how do you

00:45:02.260 explain the

00:45:02.920 to be

00:45:03.740 of something

00:45:04.400 whose nature

00:45:05.080 is not

00:45:05.560 to be

00:45:06.040 namely you

00:45:07.040 and me

00:45:07.320 and everything

00:45:07.700 around us

00:45:08.320 I am

00:45:09.140 for sure

00:45:09.740 but my

00:45:10.700 nature

00:45:11.040 is not

00:45:11.420 to be

00:45:11.840 I could

00:45:12.220 think

00:45:12.480 myself

00:45:12.800 out of

00:45:13.060 being

00:45:13.280 in a

00:45:13.540 second

00:45:13.840 there's

00:45:14.340 nothing

00:45:14.800 necessary

00:45:15.300 about

00:45:15.600 me

00:45:15.900 well how

00:45:16.720 do you

00:45:16.880 explain

00:45:17.140 that

00:45:17.420 how do

00:45:18.000 you

00:45:18.060 explain

00:45:18.260 that

00:45:18.460 now you

00:45:18.920 say oh

00:45:19.220 it's all

00:45:19.720 matter

00:45:20.260 and energy

00:45:20.720 it'll never

00:45:22.000 work

00:45:22.420 why

00:45:22.900 because

00:45:23.480 matter

00:45:23.960 is always

00:45:24.620 matter

00:45:25.460 under these

00:45:26.000 conditions

00:45:26.500 matter

00:45:26.880 in this

00:45:27.240 size

00:45:27.580 matter

00:45:27.880 of this

00:45:28.240 energy

00:45:28.660 matter

00:45:28.960 of this

00:45:29.300 speed

00:45:29.660 matter

00:45:29.980 of this

00:45:30.280 color

00:45:30.620 how did

00:45:31.560 it get

00:45:31.820 there

00:45:32.060 why is

00:45:32.420 it this

00:45:32.720 rather than

00:45:33.120 that

00:45:33.460 see

00:45:34.000 so you

00:45:34.500 can't answer

00:45:35.420 that question

00:45:36.340 the really

00:45:36.740 cool

00:45:37.160 interesting

00:45:37.540 question

00:45:37.980 by appealing

00:45:38.960 to something

00:45:39.500 within the

00:45:40.000 contingent

00:45:40.420 world

00:45:40.720 you have

00:45:41.420 to go

00:45:41.660 outside

00:45:41.960 the

00:45:42.160 contingent

00:45:42.560 world

00:45:42.900 and again

00:45:45.060 don't think

00:45:45.480 of that

00:45:45.680 spatially

00:45:46.200 the minute

00:45:47.160 you go

00:45:47.360 oh yeah

00:45:47.600 God must

00:45:48.040 be that

00:45:48.320 up

00:45:48.660 out

00:45:48.980 there

00:45:49.220 someplace

00:45:49.680 no

00:45:49.860 you

00:45:49.960 made

00:45:50.180 him

00:45:50.260 a

00:45:50.360 big

00:45:50.520 being

00:45:50.860 you

00:45:51.420 have

00:45:51.580 to go

00:45:52.000 outside

00:45:53.000 in the

00:45:53.340 metaphysical

00:45:53.840 sense

00:45:54.200 to a

00:45:55.180 reality

00:45:55.520 which

00:45:55.880 indeed

00:45:56.760 contains

00:45:57.580 all of

00:45:58.220 that

00:45:58.520 but is

00:45:59.260 in no

00:45:59.520 way

00:45:59.680 contained

00:46:00.100 by it

00:46:00.580 now

00:46:01.500 we're

00:46:01.700 talking

00:46:02.020 and that

00:46:03.000 to me

00:46:03.240 is

00:46:03.360 really

00:46:04.060 interesting

00:46:04.640 question

00:46:05.200 would

00:46:06.740 also

00:46:06.940 suggest

00:46:07.400 that God

00:46:08.320 is

00:46:08.420 right

00:46:08.800 here

00:46:09.100 right

00:46:09.560 now

00:46:09.880 always

00:46:10.640 he

00:46:11.560 is

00:46:11.860 and here's

00:46:12.300 the

00:46:12.420 interesting

00:46:12.700 thing

00:46:12.960 and all

00:46:13.220 the

00:46:13.420 mystics

00:46:13.780 and

00:46:13.940 theologians

00:46:14.380 around

00:46:14.640 this

00:46:14.900 so

00:46:15.320 is

00:46:16.800 God

00:46:17.160 in

00:46:17.380 this

00:46:17.620 room

00:46:17.960 no

00:46:19.060 absolutely

00:46:19.720 not

00:46:20.140 because

00:46:20.440 this

00:46:20.660 room

00:46:20.820 is

00:46:20.920 full

00:46:21.260 of

00:46:21.400 contingent

00:46:21.820 things

00:46:22.100 like

00:46:22.300 you

00:46:22.420 and me

00:46:22.680 and the

00:46:22.940 shelves

00:46:23.240 and the

00:46:23.480 books

00:46:23.700 no

00:46:24.480 no

00:46:24.660 God

00:46:24.920 God's

00:46:25.320 nothing

00:46:25.680 in

00:46:25.920 this

00:46:26.120 I

00:46:26.380 can't

00:46:26.680 point

00:46:26.980 oh

00:46:27.160 there

00:46:27.300 he

00:46:27.400 is

00:46:27.620 God's

00:46:28.540 in

00:46:28.660 this

00:46:28.820 room

00:46:29.020 God's

00:46:29.400 nowhere

00:46:29.680 in

00:46:29.820 this

00:46:29.960 room

00:46:30.240 is

00:46:31.720 God

00:46:31.980 in

00:46:32.140 this

00:46:32.320 room

00:46:32.640 yes

00:46:33.500 he's

00:46:34.080 everywhere

00:46:34.460 in

00:46:34.660 this

00:46:34.780 room

00:46:35.020 because

00:46:35.580 this

00:46:35.860 room

00:46:36.060 wouldn't

00:46:36.380 exist

00:46:36.940 unless

00:46:37.620 God

00:46:38.000 were

00:46:38.180 singing

00:46:38.620 it

00:46:38.840 into

00:46:39.060 being

00:46:39.460 and

00:46:40.160 so

00:46:40.420 God

00:46:40.980 is

00:46:41.200 at

00:46:41.660 the

00:46:41.840 same

00:46:42.080 time

00:46:42.580 as

00:46:43.360 transcendent

00:46:44.220 as

00:46:44.340 you

00:46:44.420 can

00:46:44.560 imagine

00:46:44.940 not

00:46:45.580 a

00:46:45.720 thing

00:46:45.880 in

00:46:46.000 the

00:46:46.100 world

00:46:46.360 and

00:46:47.340 as

00:46:47.700 imminent

00:46:48.220 as

00:46:48.480 you

00:46:48.580 can

00:46:48.700 imagine

00:46:49.000 it

00:46:49.540 was

00:46:49.700 the

00:46:49.840 great

00:46:50.040 Augustine

00:46:50.540 who

00:46:50.700 said

00:46:51.060 God

00:46:51.740 is

00:46:51.900 at

00:46:52.060 the

00:46:52.200 same

00:46:52.440 time

00:46:52.900 superior

00:46:54.240 sumo

00:46:54.800 male

00:46:55.100 at

00:46:55.620 interior

00:46:56.600 intimo

00:46:57.620 male

00:46:57.940 which

00:46:58.560 means

00:46:58.920 he's

00:46:59.640 higher

00:47:00.220 than

00:47:00.600 anything

00:47:00.940 I

00:47:01.100 could

00:47:01.240 imagine

00:47:01.620 and

00:47:02.380 he's

00:47:03.200 closer

00:47:03.540 to me

00:47:03.780 than

00:47:03.900 I

00:47:03.980 am

00:47:04.100 to

00:47:04.200 myself

00:47:04.600 now

00:47:05.740 figure

00:47:06.040 that

00:47:06.240 one

00:47:06.360 out

00:47:06.540 now

00:47:06.880 you

00:47:07.360 understand

00:47:07.900 the

00:47:08.080 God

00:47:08.300 whose

00:47:08.480 nature

00:47:08.740 is

00:47:08.940 to

00:47:09.080 be

00:47:09.320 he's

00:47:10.120 transcendent

00:47:10.780 I

00:47:10.980 can't

00:47:11.300 grasp

00:47:11.680 him

00:47:11.940 and

00:47:13.280 he's

00:47:13.480 so

00:47:13.660 imminent

00:47:14.000 I

00:47:14.240 can't

00:47:14.520 hide

00:47:14.740 from

00:47:14.940 him

00:47:15.460 see

00:47:15.800 and

00:47:16.500 that's

00:47:16.920 the

00:47:17.080 space

00:47:17.420 opened

00:47:17.760 up

00:47:17.940 by

00:47:18.060 the

00:47:18.200 Bible

00:47:18.480 I

00:47:18.700 think

00:47:18.960 so

00:47:20.380 what's

00:47:20.940 the

00:47:21.060 solution

00:47:21.360 you might

00:47:21.680 ask

00:47:21.920 the

00:47:22.060 solution

00:47:22.280 is

00:47:22.460 fall

00:47:23.560 in

00:47:23.720 love

00:47:23.880 with

00:47:24.040 God

00:47:24.380 falling

00:47:25.100 in

00:47:25.220 love

00:47:25.340 is

00:47:25.480 not

00:47:25.680 grasping

00:47:26.360 it's

00:47:26.640 not

00:47:26.800 hiding

00:47:27.100 from

00:47:27.440 and

00:47:28.240 can

00:47:29.120 we

00:47:29.240 read

00:47:29.460 the

00:47:29.600 Bible

00:47:29.860 as

00:47:30.080 God

00:47:30.360 trying

00:47:30.680 to

00:47:30.840 draw

00:47:31.140 his

00:47:31.320 people

00:47:31.640 into

00:47:31.900 that

00:47:32.120 space

00:47:32.480 I

00:47:33.280 want

00:47:33.760 you

00:47:33.900 to

00:47:34.080 fall

00:47:34.280 in

00:47:34.420 love

00:47:34.560 with

00:47:34.680 me

00:47:34.840 I

00:47:34.980 don't

00:47:35.080 want

00:47:35.240 you

00:47:35.340 grasping

00:47:35.780 at

00:47:35.920 me

00:47:36.100 that's

00:47:36.400 idolatry

00:47:37.000 I

00:47:37.480 don't

00:47:37.600 want

00:47:37.760 you

00:47:37.860 hiding

00:47:38.160 from

00:47:38.420 me

00:47:38.660 that's

00:47:39.240 secularism

00:47:40.320 I

00:47:40.660 want

00:47:41.700 you

00:47:41.840 falling

00:47:42.140 in

00:47:42.280 love

00:47:42.420 with

00:47:42.560 me

00:47:42.760 and

00:47:43.380 that's

00:47:43.580 the

00:47:43.700 right

00:47:43.900 reaction

00:47:44.400 to

00:47:44.560 the

00:47:44.680 God

00:47:44.860 you're

00:47:45.240 defining

00:47:45.560 secularism

00:47:46.260 as

00:47:46.540 hiding

00:47:46.920 from

00:47:47.180 God

00:47:47.460 yeah

00:47:47.960 as

00:47:48.360 an

00:47:48.520 ideology

00:47:49.100 if

00:47:49.360 you

00:47:49.460 were

00:47:49.540 to

00:47:49.660 say

00:47:49.900 all

00:47:50.340 that

00:47:50.540 there

00:47:50.720 is

00:47:50.900 is

00:47:51.000 the

00:47:51.120 secular

00:47:51.380 world

00:47:51.780 right

00:47:52.060 as

00:47:52.240 a

00:47:52.360 materialism

00:47:53.060 or

00:47:53.240 eminentism

00:47:53.900 or

00:47:54.100 scientism

00:47:54.760 in the

00:47:55.380 political

00:47:55.660 sense

00:47:55.980 secularism

00:47:56.640 meaning

00:47:57.320 all

00:47:57.620 that

00:47:57.800 there

00:47:57.940 is

00:47:58.100 is

00:47:58.200 the

00:47:58.320 world

00:47:58.500 that

00:47:58.640 I

00:47:58.740 can

00:47:58.880 see

00:47:59.120 and

00:47:59.280 measure

00:47:59.580 and

00:47:59.760 so

00:47:59.920 on

00:48:00.100 that's

00:48:01.100 hiding

00:48:01.340 from

00:48:01.560 God

00:48:01.800 that's

00:48:02.180 saying

00:48:02.420 I'm

00:48:02.880 not

00:48:02.980 going

00:48:03.160 about

00:48:03.320 God

00:48:03.540 God

00:48:03.860 doesn't

00:48:04.300 impinge

00:48:04.580 upon

00:48:04.820 me

00:48:05.040 that's

00:48:06.600 the

00:48:06.860 buffered

00:48:07.320 self

00:48:07.820 Charles

00:48:08.200 Taylor

00:48:08.520 the

00:48:08.760 philosopher

00:48:09.100 calls

00:48:09.420 it

00:48:09.540 that

00:48:09.680 I'm

00:48:09.880 I'm

00:48:10.480 buffered

00:48:10.920 from

00:48:11.120 any

00:48:11.300 contact

00:48:11.700 with

00:48:11.920 the

00:48:12.040 transcendent

00:48:12.620 that's

00:48:13.420 an

00:48:13.520 attempt

00:48:13.720 to

00:48:13.900 hide

00:48:14.080 from

00:48:14.260 God

00:48:14.560 doesn't

00:48:15.480 work

00:48:15.780 and see

00:48:16.420 what I

00:48:16.600 think

00:48:16.740 is

00:48:17.080 the

00:48:17.260 fact

00:48:18.180 that

00:48:18.320 religion

00:48:18.700 is

00:48:19.080 experiencing

00:48:19.640 a

00:48:19.960 revival

00:48:20.380 even

00:48:21.300 as

00:48:21.440 we

00:48:21.580 speak

00:48:21.820 you

00:48:22.020 feel

00:48:22.460 that

00:48:22.720 oh

00:48:22.920 yeah

00:48:23.060 I

00:48:23.260 can

00:48:23.400 measure

00:48:24.040 it

00:48:24.280 it's

00:48:24.520 been

00:48:24.720 measured

00:48:25.100 statistically

00:48:26.240 because

00:48:28.200 you

00:48:28.540 can't

00:48:28.800 hide

00:48:28.920 from

00:48:29.060 God

00:48:29.240 all

00:48:29.560 day

00:48:29.800 and

00:48:30.620 you

00:48:30.860 can't

00:48:31.140 grasp

00:48:31.400 it

00:48:31.540 on

00:48:31.640 that's

00:48:31.840 idolatry

00:48:32.360 idolatry

00:48:32.700 attempt

00:48:32.920 to

00:48:33.060 manipulate

00:48:33.440 God

00:48:33.800 and

00:48:34.100 the

00:48:34.320 Bible

00:48:34.600 knows

00:48:35.220 all

00:48:35.820 about

00:48:36.060 that

00:48:36.260 from

00:48:36.440 page

00:48:36.740 one

00:48:37.060 page

00:48:37.780 one

00:48:38.160 the

00:48:38.600 Bible

00:48:38.800 knows

00:48:39.060 about

00:48:39.260 manipulating

00:48:39.800 God

00:48:40.240 tell me

00:48:42.040 what you

00:48:42.180 mean

00:48:42.340 by that

00:48:42.660 let's

00:48:43.140 say

00:48:43.240 the

00:48:43.340 original

00:48:43.600 sin

00:48:43.940 is

00:48:44.160 to

00:48:44.280 say

00:48:44.540 I'm

00:48:45.080 not

00:48:45.200 going

00:48:45.280 to

00:48:45.300 obey

00:48:45.460 God's

00:48:45.800 law

00:48:46.040 I'm

00:48:46.340 going

00:48:46.420 to

00:48:46.480 grasp

00:48:48.340 the

00:48:48.580 tree

00:48:48.740 of

00:48:48.860 knowledge

00:48:49.080 of

00:48:49.160 good

00:48:49.260 and

00:48:49.360 evil

00:48:49.560 is

00:48:50.000 I'm

00:48:50.400 going

00:48:50.500 to

00:48:50.560 make

00:48:50.740 my

00:48:50.960 own

00:48:51.620 freedom

00:48:52.080 as we

00:48:52.900 were

00:48:53.000 saying

00:48:53.200 a few

00:48:53.440 minutes

00:48:53.640 ago

00:48:53.860 my

00:48:54.040 own

00:48:54.180 freedom

00:48:54.440 becomes

00:48:54.900 my

00:48:55.200 God

00:48:55.520 that's

00:48:56.100 a type

00:48:56.340 of

00:48:56.460 idolatry

00:48:57.040 or

00:48:57.940 I

00:48:58.080 turn

00:48:58.460 pleasure

00:48:59.400 money

00:48:59.780 sex

00:49:00.280 power

00:49:00.760 into

00:49:01.320 my

00:49:01.840 supreme

00:49:02.220 good

00:49:02.580 that's

00:49:03.020 idolatry

00:49:03.640 to

00:49:05.160 me

00:49:05.300 the

00:49:05.460 great

00:49:05.780 biblical

00:49:06.060 story

00:49:06.420 there

00:49:06.660 is

00:49:07.000 the

00:49:07.280 Elijah

00:49:08.600 the

00:49:08.820 priest

00:49:09.080 of

00:49:09.260 Baal

00:49:09.640 remember

00:49:09.920 in the

00:49:10.120 first

00:49:10.300 book

00:49:10.480 of

00:49:10.580 Kings

00:49:10.940 so

00:49:11.980 Elijah

00:49:12.540 is

00:49:12.700 the

00:49:12.840 one

00:49:13.080 left

00:49:13.500 only

00:49:13.840 one

00:49:14.160 priest

00:49:14.680 of

00:49:14.820 Yahweh

00:49:15.140 but

00:49:15.340 there's

00:49:15.520 all

00:49:15.740 these

00:49:15.940 priests

00:49:16.220 of

00:49:16.380 Baal

00:49:16.660 by the

00:49:17.500 way

00:49:17.660 so

00:49:17.920 it

00:49:18.080 always

00:49:18.360 goes

00:49:18.820 right

00:49:19.100 there's

00:49:19.660 always

00:49:19.860 a lot

00:49:20.440 of

00:49:20.580 avatars

00:49:21.080 and the

00:49:21.300 false

00:49:21.480 gods

00:49:21.760 they're

00:49:21.960 all

00:49:22.100 over

00:49:27.040 God

00:49:27.300 I'll

00:49:27.760 wreck

00:49:28.240 one

00:49:28.400 to

00:49:28.520 mine

00:49:28.740 and

00:49:28.880 let's

00:49:29.060 see

00:49:29.220 who

00:49:29.440 responds

00:49:30.080 right

00:49:30.320 so

00:49:30.920 the

00:49:31.120 priests

00:49:31.360 of

00:49:31.500 Baal

00:49:32.500 wreck

00:49:33.020 the

00:49:33.180 altars

00:49:33.520 and

00:49:33.640 then

00:49:33.780 they

00:49:33.940 start

00:49:34.120 begging

00:49:34.540 and

00:49:34.920 cajoling

00:49:35.920 and

00:49:36.080 pleading

00:49:36.460 and

00:49:36.740 they're

00:49:37.720 frustrated

00:49:38.340 because

00:49:38.600 God's

00:49:38.880 not

00:49:38.980 answering

00:49:39.340 their

00:49:39.580 gods

00:49:39.860 aren't

00:49:40.160 sending

00:49:40.480 fire

00:49:40.860 and

00:49:41.480 Elijah

00:49:41.800 mocks

00:49:42.200 them

00:49:42.360 which

00:49:42.540 I

00:49:42.660 think

00:49:42.760 is

00:49:42.880 a

00:49:43.020 great

00:49:43.240 part

00:49:43.460 of

00:49:43.520 that

00:49:43.620 story

00:49:43.880 he

00:49:44.100 publicly

00:49:44.640 mocks

00:49:45.100 them

00:49:45.300 you know

00:49:45.540 who knows

00:49:46.460 maybe

00:49:46.680 your

00:49:46.860 gods

00:49:47.120 are

00:49:47.260 napping

00:49:47.660 or

00:49:47.840 maybe

00:49:48.040 they're

00:49:48.200 in

00:49:48.280 the

00:49:48.380 bathroom

00:49:48.760 I

00:49:48.900 don't

00:49:48.980 know

00:49:49.080 where

00:49:49.220 they

00:49:49.400 are

00:49:49.600 right

00:49:50.180 and

00:49:51.460 then

00:49:51.600 they

00:49:51.780 finally

00:49:52.180 end

00:49:52.520 up

00:49:52.800 it's

00:49:53.220 a

00:49:53.340 beautiful

00:49:53.500 detail

00:49:53.960 they

00:49:54.240 end

00:49:54.400 up

00:49:54.580 slashing

00:49:55.140 themselves

00:49:55.560 with

00:49:55.920 knives

00:49:56.380 they're

00:49:56.720 trying

00:49:56.940 to

00:49:57.080 get

00:49:57.880 the

00:49:58.200 gods

00:49:58.520 to

00:49:58.680 respond

00:49:59.020 it's

00:49:59.820 a

00:49:59.960 beautiful

00:50:00.220 image

00:50:00.600 of

00:50:00.840 what

00:50:01.000 happens

00:50:01.420 to

00:50:01.600 us

00:50:01.780 in

00:50:01.900 idolatry

00:50:02.380 we

00:50:02.560 end

00:50:02.840 up

00:50:03.020 harming

00:50:03.360 ourselves

00:50:03.820 right

00:50:04.320 in

00:50:04.800 a

00:50:05.000 frenzied

00:50:05.500 attempt

00:50:05.900 to

00:50:06.320 get

00:50:06.540 gods

00:50:06.980 to

00:50:07.180 answer

00:50:07.560 who

00:50:07.760 can

00:50:07.940 never

00:50:08.280 in

00:50:08.460 principle

00:50:08.800 answer

00:50:09.160 now

00:50:09.780 think

00:50:10.040 of

00:50:10.180 someone

00:50:10.400 addicted

00:50:10.880 to

00:50:11.280 power

00:50:11.980 sex

00:50:12.420 money

00:50:12.800 pleasure

00:50:13.760 whatever

00:50:14.060 it is

00:50:14.740 and

00:50:15.020 I'm

00:50:15.180 begging

00:50:15.440 begging

00:50:15.820 begging

00:50:16.180 you

00:50:16.440 you

00:50:16.720 will

00:50:16.900 satisfy

00:50:17.360 me

00:50:17.620 it

00:50:18.020 won't

00:50:18.500 because

00:50:18.860 it

00:50:19.000 can't

00:50:19.680 and

00:50:20.000 I'll

00:50:20.160 end

00:50:20.380 up

00:50:20.540 harming

00:50:20.840 myself

00:50:21.260 then

00:50:22.280 Elijah

00:50:22.840 calls

00:50:23.880 upon

00:50:24.180 the

00:50:24.360 true

00:50:24.560 God

00:50:24.860 the

00:50:25.080 fire

00:50:25.340 comes

00:50:25.740 to

00:50:25.900 take

00:50:26.760 the

00:50:27.000 sacrifice

00:50:27.480 it's

00:50:28.900 not

00:50:29.080 just

00:50:29.300 a

00:50:29.460 jingoistic

00:50:29.900 story

00:50:30.300 it's

00:50:30.520 a

00:50:30.640 very

00:50:31.060 powerful

00:50:31.460 story

00:50:31.860 that

00:50:32.560 the

00:50:32.720 true

00:50:32.960 God

00:50:33.240 is

00:50:33.400 the

00:50:33.500 only

00:50:33.680 one

00:50:33.920 that

00:50:34.060 can

00:50:34.340 satisfy

00:50:35.200 the

00:50:35.520 longing

00:50:35.820 of

00:50:36.000 the

00:50:36.100 heart

00:50:36.380 right

00:50:37.000 and

00:50:37.680 so

00:50:37.860 idolatry

00:50:38.640 will

00:50:38.940 always

00:50:39.240 lead

00:50:39.540 us

00:50:39.700 down

00:50:39.980 this

00:50:40.280 self

00:50:41.520 destructive

00:50:42.160 path

00:50:42.780 and

00:50:44.060 the

00:50:44.300 worship

00:50:44.760 of

00:50:44.900 the

00:50:45.000 true

00:50:45.160 God

00:50:45.460 is

00:50:45.640 what's

00:50:45.800 going

00:50:45.900 to

00:50:45.960 lead

00:50:46.120 us

00:50:46.280 to

00:50:46.580 the

00:50:47.520 fire

00:50:47.780 falling

00:50:48.200 on

00:50:48.400 us

00:50:48.580 a lot

00:50:49.100 of

00:50:49.180 the

00:50:49.280 news

00:50:49.540 you

00:50:49.720 read

00:50:50.040 doesn't

00:50:50.660 really

00:50:51.240 have

00:50:51.740 a lot

00:50:52.040 of

00:50:52.160 inherent

00:50:52.520 meaning

00:50:52.980 but

00:50:53.220 this

00:50:53.440 does

00:50:53.960 starting

00:50:54.860 May

00:50:55.200 19th

00:50:55.900 the

00:50:56.060 hallow

00:50:56.500 app

00:50:57.060 is

00:50:57.580 leading

00:50:57.820 a

00:50:58.060 consecration

00:50:58.800 to

00:50:59.080 Jesus

00:50:59.460 through

00:50:59.780 Saint

00:51:00.040 Joseph

00:51:00.400 you

00:51:01.240 might

00:51:01.360 be

00:51:01.500 asking

00:51:01.720 why

00:51:01.960 Saint

00:51:06.000 himself

00:51:06.280 trusted

00:51:06.620 with

00:51:06.800 his

00:51:06.920 own

00:51:07.080 son

00:51:07.400 he

00:51:07.940 wasn't

00:51:08.120 a

00:51:08.240 king

00:51:08.600 or

00:51:09.200 warrior

00:51:09.580 he

00:51:09.740 was

00:51:09.840 a

00:51:09.960 carpenter

00:51:10.400 he

00:51:10.720 was

00:51:10.840 a

00:51:11.000 quiet

00:51:11.380 and

00:51:11.640 steady

00:51:11.860 man

00:51:12.220 of

00:51:12.760 unshakable

00:51:13.280 faith

00:51:13.780 in an

00:51:14.800 age

00:51:15.040 that

00:51:15.220 mocks

00:51:15.740 humility

00:51:16.360 can you

00:51:16.800 imagine

00:51:17.140 the

00:51:17.380 basis

00:51:18.080 of

00:51:18.820 wisdom

00:51:19.120 and

00:51:19.260 relationship

00:51:19.660 with

00:51:19.940 God

00:51:20.260 it's

00:51:20.760 time

00:51:20.940 we

00:51:21.060 looked

00:51:21.420 to

00:51:21.680 someone

00:51:21.980 who

00:51:22.160 embodied

00:51:22.700 humility

00:51:23.360 not

00:51:23.620 for

00:51:23.800 applause

00:51:24.360 but

00:51:25.180 for

00:51:25.380 God

00:51:25.680 the

00:51:25.980 series

00:51:26.220 is

00:51:26.380 not

00:51:26.540 just

00:51:26.680 about

00:51:26.840 Saint

00:51:27.020 Joseph

00:51:27.280 it's

00:51:27.520 about

00:51:27.680 what

00:51:27.840 happens

00:51:28.260 when

00:51:28.400 you

00:51:28.500 follow

00:51:36.000 of

00:51:36.160 that

00:51:36.280 begins

00:51:36.720 with

00:51:37.260 humility

00:51:37.620 which

00:51:37.820 is

00:51:37.940 really

00:51:38.060 just

00:51:38.220 perspective

00:51:38.640 you

00:51:38.900 are

00:51:39.020 not

00:51:39.180 God

00:51:39.500 it's

00:51:40.160 important

00:51:40.440 to

00:51:40.600 remind

00:51:40.840 yourself

00:51:41.140 of

00:51:41.340 that

00:51:41.460 we

00:51:41.580 do

00:51:41.700 every

00:51:41.880 day

00:51:42.340 so

00:51:42.860 every

00:51:43.080 week

00:51:43.380 on

00:51:43.520 how

00:51:43.760 you'll

00:51:44.080 hear

00:51:44.260 reflections

00:51:44.880 grounded

00:51:45.360 in

00:51:45.600 the

00:51:45.720 gospels

00:51:46.200 pray

00:51:46.440 powerful

00:51:46.920 prayers

00:51:47.300 like

00:51:47.480 the

00:51:47.620 litany

00:51:47.860 of

00:51:48.000 Saint

00:51:48.180 Joseph

00:51:48.500 and

00:51:49.240 hear

00:51:49.400 glory

00:51:49.780 stories

00:51:50.160 from

00:51:50.360 throughout

00:51:50.720 church

00:51:51.040 history

00:51:51.380 not

00:51:51.580 myths

00:51:51.900 not

00:51:52.120 legends

00:51:52.400 actual

00:51:52.940 intersections

00:51:53.620 and

00:51:54.580 power

00:51:54.920 from

00:51:55.120 a

00:51:55.300 saint

00:51:55.440 who's

00:51:55.640 been

00:51:55.780 quietly

00:51:56.100 helping

00:51:56.420 people

00:51:56.860 for

00:51:57.740 thousands

00:51:58.540 of

00:51:58.800 years

00:51:59.160 hollow

00:51:59.960 is

00:52:00.160 the

00:52:00.280 world's

00:52:00.560 number

00:52:00.780 one

00:52:01.080 prayer

00:52:01.360 app

00:52:01.700 and

00:52:01.840 experiences

00:52:02.280 like

00:52:02.560 this

00:52:02.780 are

00:52:02.980 why

00:52:03.300 my

00:52:03.500 family

00:52:03.820 and

00:52:03.920 I

00:52:04.000 cannot

00:52:04.180 get

00:52:04.380 enough

00:52:04.620 of it

00:52:04.860 it

00:52:05.220 is

00:52:05.340 a

00:52:05.480 constant

00:52:06.100 conversation

00:52:06.880 so

00:52:07.660 get

00:52:07.800 three

00:52:08.040 months

00:52:08.340 right

00:52:08.640 now

00:52:09.020 at

00:52:09.460 hollow.com

00:52:10.500 for free

00:52:11.540 you'll

00:52:11.880 be glad

00:52:12.200 you did

00:52:12.500 hollow.com

00:52:13.720 slash

00:52:14.340 Tucker

00:52:14.680 your identity

00:52:15.860 is constantly

00:52:16.620 under attack

00:52:17.260 and just

00:52:17.580 the last

00:52:17.960 year

00:52:18.160 Americans

00:52:18.580 lost

00:52:18.880 over

00:52:19.080 16

00:52:19.600 billion

00:52:20.180 dollars

00:52:20.760 to

00:52:20.960 scammers

00:52:21.340 online

00:52:21.900 anyone

00:52:22.420 can fall

00:52:23.200 victim

00:52:23.620 to this

00:52:24.120 your social

00:52:25.000 security

00:52:25.300 number

00:52:25.580 your bank

00:52:25.980 account

00:52:26.260 your credit

00:52:26.660 profile

00:52:27.100 can be

00:52:27.440 exposed

00:52:27.760 and you

00:52:28.120 won't

00:52:28.300 even

00:52:28.500 know

00:52:28.820 it

00:52:29.060 and the

00:52:30.040 second

00:52:30.280 they

00:52:30.480 are

00:52:30.800 exposed

00:52:31.400 thieves

00:52:31.960 can take

00:52:32.340 out

00:52:32.500 loans

00:52:32.800 your name

00:52:33.240 open

00:52:33.480 credit

00:52:33.780 cards

00:52:34.100 wreck

00:52:34.480 your life

00:52:35.100 financially

00:52:35.720 identity

00:52:36.820 guard

00:52:37.100 can save

00:52:37.640 you

00:52:37.780 identity

00:52:38.060 guard

00:52:38.280 monitors

00:52:38.820 everything

00:52:39.160 from your

00:52:39.540 credit card

00:52:40.120 to your

00:52:40.720 bank

00:52:40.900 accounts

00:52:41.300 your social

00:52:41.660 security

00:52:41.900 number

00:52:42.140 looking for

00:52:42.940 early signs

00:52:43.480 of fraud

00:52:43.940 before damage

00:52:44.840 is done

00:52:45.280 if something

00:52:46.120 weird happens

00:52:47.060 you get an

00:52:47.720 instant alert

00:52:48.540 if someone

00:52:49.000 does steal

00:52:49.460 your identity

00:52:49.980 identity

00:52:50.340 guards

00:52:50.600 expert team

00:52:51.280 works directly

00:52:51.740 with banks

00:52:52.340 credit card

00:52:53.180 companies and

00:52:53.720 lenders

00:52:53.940 to shut

00:52:55.980 damn

00:52:56.260 having your

00:52:57.360 identity

00:52:57.640 stolen

00:52:58.080 is a

00:52:58.680 nightmare

00:52:59.200 someone in

00:52:59.680 this country

00:53:00.000 becomes a

00:53:00.440 victim of

00:53:00.780 identity

00:53:01.100 theft

00:53:01.500 every six

00:53:03.140 seconds

00:53:03.940 identity

00:53:04.820 guard

00:53:05.260 protects

00:53:06.060 you

00:53:06.320 30 day

00:53:07.100 free trial

00:53:07.800 at

00:53:08.080 identity

00:53:09.680 guard

00:53:10.020 dot com

00:53:10.740 slash

00:53:11.120 tucker

00:53:11.420 protect

00:53:12.080 yourself

00:53:12.520 before it's

00:53:13.160 too late

00:53:13.440 identity

00:53:13.760 guard

00:53:14.060 dot com

00:53:14.660 slash

00:53:15.040 tucker

00:53:15.380 it's one of the

00:53:16.420 saddest things

00:53:16.840 about this

00:53:17.180 country

00:53:17.420 the country

00:53:17.740 is getting

00:53:18.000 sicker

00:53:18.420 despite all

00:53:18.880 of our

00:53:19.120 wealth

00:53:19.440 and technology

00:53:20.400 americans

00:53:21.560 aren't doing

00:53:22.200 well overall

00:53:23.000 obesity

00:53:23.520 heart disease

00:53:24.280 autoimmune

00:53:24.840 conditions

00:53:25.400 all kinds of

00:53:26.000 horrible chronic

00:53:26.720 illnesses

00:53:27.160 weird cancers

00:53:28.460 they're all on

00:53:28.900 the rise

00:53:29.340 probably a lot

00:53:30.160 of reasons

00:53:30.520 for this

00:53:30.840 but one of

00:53:31.220 them definitely

00:53:31.680 is americans

00:53:32.380 don't eat

00:53:32.820 very well

00:53:33.300 anymore

00:53:33.780 they don't

00:53:34.500 eat real

00:53:34.860 food

00:53:35.120 instead

00:53:35.360 they eat

00:53:35.740 industrial

00:53:36.380 substitutes

00:53:37.300 and it's

00:53:37.880 not good

00:53:39.040 it's time

00:53:40.020 for something

00:53:40.420 new

00:53:40.660 and that's

00:53:40.940 where masa

00:53:41.540 chips

00:53:41.920 come in

00:53:42.480 masa has

00:53:43.560 decided to

00:53:44.040 revive real

00:53:44.680 food by

00:53:45.120 creating snacks

00:53:46.240 how they used

00:53:47.340 to be made

00:53:47.760 how they're

00:53:48.000 supposed to

00:53:48.540 be made

00:53:48.700 a masa

00:53:49.140 chip

00:53:49.440 has just

00:53:50.160 three simple

00:53:51.020 ingredients

00:53:51.620 not 117

00:53:52.740 three

00:53:53.600 no seed oils

00:53:54.920 no artificial

00:53:55.600 additives

00:53:56.080 just real

00:53:56.700 delicious food

00:53:57.560 and I know

00:53:57.900 this because

00:53:58.160 we eat a ton

00:53:59.220 of them

00:53:59.640 in my house

00:54:00.200 and by the way

00:54:00.700 I feel great

00:54:01.460 so you can still

00:54:02.880 continue to snack

00:54:03.780 but you can do it

00:54:04.540 in a healthy way

00:54:05.240 with chips

00:54:06.000 without feeling

00:54:07.200 guilty about it

00:54:08.200 masa chips

00:54:08.860 are delicious

00:54:09.480 they taste how

00:54:10.020 a tortilla chip

00:54:10.600 is supposed to

00:54:11.340 taste

00:54:11.660 but the thing

00:54:12.620 is you can hit

00:54:13.220 them really

00:54:13.760 really hard

00:54:14.460 and I have

00:54:15.640 and not feel

00:54:16.700 bloated or sluggish

00:54:17.960 after you feel

00:54:18.780 like you've done

00:54:19.260 something decent

00:54:20.080 for your body

00:54:20.860 you don't feel

00:54:21.600 like you got a

00:54:22.060 head injury

00:54:22.680 or you don't

00:54:23.140 feel filled

00:54:24.000 with guilt

00:54:24.540 you feel light

00:54:25.660 and energetic

00:54:26.220 it's the kind

00:54:26.600 of snack

00:54:26.840 your grandparents

00:54:27.460 ate

00:54:27.960 worth bringing

00:54:28.920 back

00:54:29.220 so you can

00:54:29.540 go to

00:54:29.820 masa chips

00:54:30.440 dot com

00:54:30.800 masa's

00:54:31.160 masa's

00:54:31.180 masa by the way

00:54:32.040 masa chips

00:54:33.120 dot com

00:54:33.520 slash tucker

00:54:34.080 to start snacking

00:54:34.940 get 25% off

00:54:36.240 we enjoy them

00:54:36.780 you will too

00:54:37.640 why does

00:54:38.960 the does

00:54:39.880 God require

00:54:40.340 sacrifice

00:54:40.920 he doesn't

00:54:41.700 require it

00:54:42.300 and that's

00:54:42.620 a super

00:54:43.600 important point

00:54:44.420 the Bible

00:54:45.680 and the great

00:54:46.060 tradition

00:54:46.320 make it over

00:54:46.800 and over again

00:54:47.220 how could

00:54:48.220 the one

00:54:48.820 who made

00:54:49.660 the entire

00:54:50.200 universe

00:54:50.600 from nothing

00:54:51.420 possibly need

00:54:52.600 anything

00:54:53.100 from it

00:54:53.780 right

00:54:54.280 it's just

00:54:55.100 a logical

00:54:55.800 contradiction

00:54:56.280 see

00:54:57.000 like the ancient

00:54:58.700 gods of Greece

00:54:59.740 sure they need

00:55:00.600 all kinds of

00:55:01.060 stuff

00:55:01.340 remember that scene

00:55:02.580 it's in

00:55:03.100 the Odyssey

00:55:04.980 I think

00:55:05.400 you know

00:55:05.680 where

00:55:05.920 as the sacrifices

00:55:07.620 are being made

00:55:08.200 and the gods

00:55:08.920 are like

00:55:09.800 desperately

00:55:10.960 lapping up

00:55:11.920 the blood

00:55:12.340 of the sacrifice

00:55:13.000 because they

00:55:13.360 need our

00:55:14.520 you know

00:55:15.220 our loyalty

00:55:16.240 and so on

00:55:16.720 the Bible

00:55:18.080 Psalm 50

00:55:20.200 you think

00:55:21.080 I need

00:55:21.700 you think

00:55:22.100 I drank

00:55:22.620 the blood

00:55:23.140 of goats

00:55:23.660 are you

00:55:23.920 joking

00:55:24.380 all the animals

00:55:25.400 in the field

00:55:25.660 they all belong

00:55:26.180 to me

00:55:26.520 so

00:55:27.180 but that's

00:55:27.780 a very

00:55:28.120 important point

00:55:28.640 because

00:55:28.960 it's not

00:55:29.940 that we're

00:55:30.540 playing some

00:55:31.160 game of

00:55:31.980 like codependency

00:55:33.340 with God

00:55:34.020 God needs

00:55:35.160 nothing

00:55:35.540 that's the

00:55:36.080 best news

00:55:36.720 ever

00:55:37.000 God needs

00:55:37.660 nothing

00:55:38.120 from us

00:55:38.720 what he

00:55:39.660 wants

00:55:40.420 is

00:55:41.260 the openness

00:55:43.120 of heart

00:55:43.740 signaled

00:55:44.460 by the sacrifice

00:55:45.300 because he

00:55:46.260 wants us

00:55:46.940 to be alive

00:55:47.700 and when

00:55:48.880 we say

00:55:49.580 Lord

00:55:49.980 I'm opening

00:55:50.840 my heart

00:55:51.340 to you

00:55:51.820 I'm ordering

00:55:53.360 my life

00:55:53.980 to you

00:55:54.440 in this

00:55:54.840 great sacrifice

00:55:55.660 of praise

00:55:56.520 God delights

00:55:58.180 because now

00:55:59.460 we're going to

00:56:00.600 find the joy

00:56:01.380 he wants us

00:56:01.980 to have

00:56:02.460 that's

00:56:03.600 St. Irenaeus

00:56:04.440 my great

00:56:04.920 intellectual hero

00:56:05.740 the glory

00:56:06.600 of God

00:56:07.100 is a human

00:56:07.600 being fully

00:56:08.180 alive

00:56:08.640 see

00:56:09.160 the glory

00:56:10.180 of God

00:56:10.480 is not

00:56:10.800 putting us

00:56:11.300 down

00:56:11.680 and

00:56:12.100 boy

00:56:13.100 they finally

00:56:13.600 got around

00:56:14.080 to honoring

00:56:14.480 me sufficiently

00:56:15.160 so

00:56:15.640 that's

00:56:16.660 all

00:56:17.000 paganism

00:56:17.640 but it

00:56:18.380 haunts

00:56:19.000 the Christian

00:56:19.440 mind

00:56:19.700 still

00:56:20.020 it

00:56:20.560 haunts

00:56:20.820 our

00:56:21.100 minds

00:56:21.460 but the

00:56:22.280 Bible

00:56:22.520 is always

00:56:22.840 trying to

00:56:23.280 dismiss

00:56:24.880 that

00:56:25.260 demon

00:56:25.560 God

00:56:26.920 wants

00:56:27.480 our

00:56:27.680 sacrifice

00:56:28.120 because

00:56:28.420 it's

00:56:28.620 good

00:56:28.760 for us

00:56:29.300 God

00:56:30.320 gets

00:56:30.560 nothing

00:56:30.880 out

00:56:31.120 of it

00:56:31.440 think

00:56:32.240 of it

00:56:32.620 it

00:56:33.120 like

00:56:33.600 it

00:56:33.880 bounces

00:56:34.360 off

00:56:34.980 of the

00:56:35.360 rock

00:56:35.820 of the

00:56:36.200 divine

00:56:36.600 self

00:56:36.980 sufficiency

00:56:37.500 and comes

00:56:38.720 back

00:56:39.020 to our

00:56:39.320 benefit

00:56:39.680 so

00:56:40.640 when I

00:56:40.940 pray

00:56:41.720 to God

00:56:42.180 I offer

00:56:42.940 the sacrifice

00:56:43.480 of the

00:56:43.680 mass

00:56:43.940 to God

00:56:44.400 I'm not

00:56:45.840 giving God

00:56:46.280 anything he

00:56:46.660 needs

00:56:47.020 God

00:56:47.260 needs

00:56:47.480 nothing

00:56:47.760 but it

00:56:48.740 bounces

00:56:49.120 off

00:56:49.580 of that

00:56:49.860 self

00:56:50.100 sufficiency

00:56:50.460 to me

00:56:51.180 it

00:56:51.880 redounds

00:56:52.280 to my

00:56:52.620 benefit

00:56:53.020 so

00:56:54.120 go

00:56:54.800 into the

00:56:55.420 Catholic

00:56:55.740 mass

00:56:56.180 we

00:56:57.540 offer

00:56:57.880 the

00:56:58.580 sacrifice

00:56:59.060 of Jesus

00:56:59.640 to the

00:57:00.020 father

00:57:00.260 we

00:57:00.500 represent

00:57:01.120 the

00:57:01.440 sacrifice

00:57:01.840 of the

00:57:02.140 cross

00:57:02.380 to the

00:57:02.600 father

00:57:02.880 oh

00:57:03.480 because

00:57:03.580 the

00:57:03.720 father

00:57:03.940 needs

00:57:04.320 it

00:57:04.540 the

00:57:04.920 father

00:57:05.000 needs

00:57:05.180 nothing

00:57:05.440 but it

00:57:06.820 bounces

00:57:07.120 off

00:57:07.500 of the

00:57:07.800 father's

00:57:08.260 self

00:57:08.420 sufficiency

00:57:08.860 and comes

00:57:09.520 back

00:57:09.960 as food

00:57:10.580 for us

00:57:11.040 so

00:57:11.820 now

00:57:12.100 we

00:57:12.340 eat

00:57:12.620 we eat

00:57:13.500 the

00:57:13.740 body

00:57:14.020 and drink

00:57:14.340 the

00:57:14.500 blood

00:57:14.660 of

00:57:14.800 Jesus

00:57:15.020 we

00:57:15.320 consume

00:57:16.040 the

00:57:16.260 sacrifice

00:57:16.640 it's

00:57:16.880 for

00:57:17.000 our

00:57:17.200 benefit

00:57:17.540 not

00:57:18.080 for

00:57:18.260 God's

00:57:18.720 but

00:57:20.100 your

00:57:20.820 question

00:57:21.180 is

00:57:21.480 really

00:57:21.680 a good

00:57:21.920 one

00:57:22.060 because

00:57:22.180 it

00:57:22.320 leads

00:57:22.580 us

00:57:22.720 into

00:57:22.840 that

00:57:22.980 very

00:57:23.360 important

00:57:23.800 spiritual

00:57:24.220 space

00:57:24.780 one of

00:57:27.380 the

00:57:27.460 reasons

00:57:27.720 I think

00:57:28.020 Christianity

00:57:28.460 is true

00:57:29.060 is because

00:57:29.380 so many

00:57:29.680 people

00:57:29.900 hate

00:57:30.180 it

00:57:30.380 yeah

00:57:31.160 and

00:57:32.280 yeah

00:57:32.680 Jesus

00:57:33.300 is really

00:57:33.860 the great

00:57:34.280 dividing

00:57:34.880 the great

00:57:36.000 divider

00:57:36.520 yeah

00:57:37.020 and

00:57:38.100 like

00:57:39.120 why would

00:57:39.620 you be

00:57:39.880 mad

00:57:40.320 at

00:57:40.580 Jesus

00:57:40.860 or

00:57:41.100 Christianity

00:57:41.560 when

00:57:42.020 it's

00:57:42.240 like

00:57:42.400 a

00:57:42.540 nonviolent

00:57:43.140 religion

00:57:43.940 that

00:57:44.140 teaches

00:57:44.380 people

00:57:44.660 to

00:57:44.860 love

00:57:45.120 each

00:57:45.380 other

00:57:45.700 if

00:57:46.000 you're

00:57:46.200 mad

00:57:46.420 at

00:57:46.580 that

00:57:46.900 it

00:57:47.740 says

00:57:48.040 something

00:57:48.500 about

00:57:49.120 how

00:57:49.340 real

00:57:49.680 it

00:57:49.820 is

00:57:50.000 I

00:57:50.120 think

00:57:50.380 I

00:57:51.040 agree

00:57:51.320 both

00:57:51.760 Billy

00:57:52.060 Graham

00:57:52.500 and

00:57:53.000 Fulton

00:57:53.440 Sheen

00:57:53.860 I

00:57:54.060 mean

00:57:54.220 arguably

00:57:54.560 the

00:57:54.760 two

00:57:54.920 greatest

00:57:55.160 evangelists

00:57:55.680 of the

00:57:55.880 20th

00:57:56.140 century

00:57:56.460 said

00:57:57.460 the

00:57:57.600 same

00:57:57.740 thing

00:57:58.040 which

00:57:58.360 was

00:57:58.540 the

00:57:58.660 objection

00:57:59.040 to

00:57:59.300 God

00:57:59.720 is

00:58:00.080 rarely

00:58:00.600 truly

00:58:01.080 intellectual

00:58:01.660 it's

00:58:02.040 a

00:58:02.160 moral

00:58:02.400 objection

00:58:02.840 totally

00:58:03.480 the

00:58:03.920 moral

00:58:05.520 demand

00:58:06.020 of

00:58:06.200 God

00:58:06.540 becomes

00:58:07.120 too

00:58:07.300 great

00:58:07.620 see

00:58:09.000 Jesus

00:58:09.460 if

00:58:10.700 he's

00:58:10.840 one

00:58:11.040 spiritual

00:58:11.380 figure

00:58:11.640 among

00:58:11.860 many

00:58:12.140 he's

00:58:12.360 a

00:58:12.440 great

00:58:12.600 teacher

00:58:13.000 like

00:58:13.640 the

00:58:13.800 Buddha

00:58:14.040 he's

00:58:14.420 like

00:58:14.680 Muhammad

00:58:15.180 he's

00:58:15.560 like

00:58:15.860 Confucius

00:58:16.820 well

00:58:17.440 then

00:58:17.580 I

00:58:17.700 can

00:58:17.840 kind

00:58:18.000 of

00:58:18.040 handle

00:58:18.280 him

00:58:18.460 I

00:58:18.660 can

00:58:18.880 put

00:58:19.020 him

00:58:19.100 in

00:58:19.180 a

00:58:19.260 corner

00:58:19.460 and

00:58:19.580 say

00:58:19.640 okay

00:58:19.800 that's

00:58:20.040 interesting

00:58:20.400 I'll

00:58:20.660 abide

00:58:21.020 by

00:58:21.200 some

00:58:21.440 of

00:58:21.540 that

00:58:21.760 and

00:58:21.940 I

00:58:22.080 also

00:58:22.440 like

00:58:22.700 what

00:58:22.840 the

00:58:23.000 Sufi

00:58:23.280 mystics

00:58:23.660 say

00:58:23.920 and I

00:58:24.200 also

00:58:24.400 like

00:58:24.680 what

00:58:24.860 Moses

00:58:25.380 says

00:58:25.660 here

00:58:25.840 but

00:58:26.420 Jesus

00:58:26.880 as

00:58:27.500 C.S.

00:58:27.840 Lewis

00:58:28.060 saw

00:58:28.400 so

00:58:28.640 perfectly

00:58:30.100 is

00:58:31.560 qualitatively

00:58:33.220 different

00:58:33.440 than that

00:58:33.860 and that's

00:58:34.200 why

00:58:34.340 he's

00:58:34.480 a

00:58:34.560 problem

00:58:34.860 because

00:58:35.900 if

00:58:36.520 he

00:58:36.640 is

00:58:36.780 who

00:58:36.900 he

00:58:37.040 says

00:58:37.240 he

00:58:37.380 is

00:58:37.680 not

00:58:38.520 just

00:58:38.700 one

00:58:38.920 teacher

00:58:39.260 that

00:58:39.460 I

00:58:39.580 can

00:58:39.780 listen

00:58:40.380 to

00:58:40.640 but

00:58:41.420 he's

00:58:41.760 God

00:58:42.040 from

00:58:42.220 God

00:58:42.540 light

00:58:42.820 from

00:58:43.040 light

00:58:43.300 true

00:58:43.560 God

00:58:43.820 from

00:58:43.980 true

00:58:44.180 God

00:58:44.520 begot

00:58:44.960 not

00:58:45.220 made

00:58:45.640 consubstantial

00:58:46.660 with the

00:58:46.900 father

00:58:47.200 as we

00:58:48.120 say

00:58:48.320 every

00:58:48.500 week

00:58:48.720 in

00:58:48.820 the

00:58:48.900 creed

00:58:49.040 him

00:58:49.420 all

00:58:49.980 things

00:58:50.240 were

00:58:50.380 made

00:58:50.600 yeah

00:58:50.940 if

00:58:51.380 that's

00:58:51.640 who

00:58:51.760 he

00:58:51.920 is

00:58:52.300 game's

00:58:53.760 over

00:58:53.980 but

00:58:54.540 why

00:58:54.700 does

00:58:54.860 it

00:58:54.960 make

00:58:55.100 people

00:58:55.360 mad

00:58:55.880 I

00:58:56.480 mean

00:58:56.600 one

00:58:57.040 of

00:58:57.120 the

00:58:57.260 late

00:58:57.600 life

00:58:57.820 revelations

00:58:58.440 in

00:58:59.300 my

00:58:59.580 life

00:58:59.900 has

00:59:00.360 been

00:59:00.660 that

00:59:00.900 these

00:59:01.240 great

00:59:01.460 spasms

00:59:02.020 of

00:59:02.220 violence

00:59:02.580 these

00:59:02.760 revolutions

00:59:03.320 that we

00:59:03.720 study

00:59:04.000 French

00:59:04.380 Revolution

00:59:04.880 Spanish

00:59:05.480 Civil

00:59:05.720 War

00:59:06.180 Bolshevik

00:59:06.760 Revolution

00:59:07.100 1917

00:59:07.620 huge parts

00:59:08.820 of World

00:59:09.000 War II

00:59:09.380 were

00:59:10.240 anti-Christian

00:59:11.020 absolutely

00:59:11.500 the point

00:59:11.780 was to

00:59:12.020 murder

00:59:12.220 Christians

00:59:12.620 absolutely

00:59:13.140 but it's

00:59:13.700 not

00:59:13.820 recorded

00:59:14.160 that way

00:59:14.660 yeah

00:59:15.260 but that's

00:59:15.780 no that's

00:59:16.220 true

00:59:16.500 yeah but see

00:59:17.220 Jesus

00:59:17.800 he's a

00:59:18.680 problem

00:59:18.940 because of

00:59:19.400 who he

00:59:19.760 says he

00:59:20.060 is but

00:59:20.300 also

00:59:20.540 we're

00:59:21.200 sinners

00:59:21.640 and so

00:59:22.560 sinners

00:59:22.920 don't want

00:59:23.640 to get

00:59:23.920 out of

00:59:24.260 their

00:59:24.400 sinful

00:59:24.700 patterns

00:59:25.220 we're

00:59:25.940 way

00:59:26.280 too

00:59:26.540 comfortable

00:59:26.980 it's

00:59:27.600 like

00:59:27.760 the

00:59:27.920 Israelites

00:59:28.280 that want

00:59:28.560 to go

00:59:28.700 back

00:59:28.840 to

00:59:28.940 Egypt

00:59:29.180 right

00:59:29.480 they're

00:59:29.720 on

00:59:30.160 their

00:59:30.300 way

00:59:30.560 to

00:59:30.700 liberation

00:59:31.220 but

00:59:31.980 oh

00:59:32.480 boy

00:59:32.840 did

00:59:33.000 we

00:59:33.140 love

00:59:33.400 the

00:59:33.640 you know

00:59:33.880 the

00:59:34.080 flesh

00:59:34.460 pots

00:59:34.700 of

00:59:34.860 Egypt

00:59:35.100 at least

00:59:35.580 we

00:59:35.760 had

00:59:35.960 cucumbers

00:59:36.520 right

00:59:37.720 it's

00:59:38.020 my

00:59:38.220 favorite

00:59:38.600 part

00:59:38.980 right

00:59:39.220 but

00:59:39.620 see

00:59:40.320 that's

00:59:40.500 the

00:59:40.600 story

00:59:40.760 of

00:59:40.880 every

00:59:41.060 sinner

00:59:41.360 every

00:59:42.680 sin

00:59:43.180 is

00:59:43.360 a

00:59:43.460 type

00:59:43.640 of

00:59:43.780 addiction

00:59:44.100 you're

00:59:44.960 addicted

00:59:45.320 to

00:59:45.700 you know

00:59:46.140 that's

00:59:46.540 the

00:59:46.660 priest

00:59:46.840 of

00:59:46.960 Baal

00:59:47.180 and

00:59:47.620 so

00:59:47.760 as

00:59:47.900 I'm

00:59:48.020 trying

00:59:48.240 to

00:59:48.380 move

00:59:48.520 toward

00:59:48.720 conversion

00:59:49.280 I'm

00:59:49.760 moving

00:59:50.100 across

00:59:50.440 the

00:59:50.660 painful

00:59:51.260 desert

00:59:51.980 right

00:59:52.440 on the

00:59:52.700 way

00:59:52.820 to

00:59:52.900 the

00:59:53.020 promised

00:59:53.300 land

00:59:53.560 I'm

00:59:54.200 always

00:59:54.480 hankering

00:59:54.940 for

00:59:55.260 Egypt

00:59:55.700 and

00:59:56.300 so

00:59:56.460 Jesus

00:59:56.800 is

00:59:57.040 a

00:59:57.220 constant

00:59:57.680 reproach

00:59:58.480 a

00:59:58.640 constant

00:59:59.000 challenge

00:59:59.580 a

00:59:59.780 constant

01:00:00.140 no

01:00:00.420 no

01:00:00.640 you

01:00:01.280 know

01:00:01.440 so

01:00:01.680 of

01:00:01.860 course

01:00:02.020 I'm

01:00:02.380 going

01:00:02.480 to

01:00:02.620 resist

01:00:03.200 him

01:00:03.600 look

01:00:04.380 at

01:00:04.520 the

01:00:05.220 very

01:00:05.360 fact

01:00:05.580 I

01:00:05.760 think

01:00:05.900 this

01:00:06.020 is

01:00:06.080 very

01:00:14.100 Confucius

01:00:14.680 the

01:00:14.840 same

01:00:15.020 thing

01:00:15.300 Moses

01:00:15.640 dies

01:00:16.080 at

01:00:16.260 the

01:00:16.620 age

01:00:16.800 of

01:00:16.900 120

01:00:17.400 or

01:00:17.700 something

01:00:17.940 you know

01:00:18.300 and

01:00:19.520 then

01:00:19.660 there's

01:00:19.880 Jesus

01:00:20.240 who

01:00:20.980 dies

01:00:21.460 30

01:00:22.140 years

01:00:22.400 old

01:00:22.760 naked

01:00:23.620 pinned

01:00:24.620 to

01:00:24.900 a

01:00:25.140 desperate

01:00:25.720 instrument

01:00:26.280 of

01:00:26.540 torture

01:00:26.960 his

01:00:27.680 disciples

01:00:28.940 having

01:00:29.560 abandoned

01:00:29.980 him

01:00:30.280 his

01:00:30.660 enemies

01:00:31.000 mocking

01:00:31.440 him

01:00:31.680 that's

01:00:32.360 how

01:00:32.480 he

01:00:32.640 dies

01:00:32.920 now

01:00:33.640 what does

01:00:33.820 it

01:00:33.920 tell

01:00:34.160 you

01:00:34.360 there's

01:00:35.480 something

01:00:35.800 about

01:00:36.200 him

01:00:36.700 who

01:00:37.060 would

01:00:37.220 write

01:00:37.500 that

01:00:37.800 by the

01:00:38.040 way

01:00:38.160 if

01:00:38.280 I'm

01:00:39.260 trying

01:00:39.420 to

01:00:39.520 create

01:00:39.700 a

01:00:39.840 new

01:00:39.980 religion

01:00:40.380 he's

01:00:41.360 not

01:00:41.520 the

01:00:41.700 hero

01:00:41.940 I'm

01:00:42.220 creating

01:00:42.600 no

01:00:42.960 no

01:00:43.760 but

01:00:43.980 he's

01:00:44.760 a sign

01:00:45.000 of

01:00:45.120 contradiction

01:00:45.600 he's

01:00:46.240 the

01:00:46.360 one

01:00:46.520 that

01:00:46.740 that's

01:00:47.480 the

01:00:47.620 way

01:00:47.800 the

01:00:47.980 world

01:00:48.280 is

01:00:48.460 going

01:00:48.580 to

01:00:48.660 react

01:00:48.940 to

01:00:49.100 him

01:00:49.220 now

01:00:49.940 what's

01:00:50.440 the

01:00:50.540 good

01:00:50.700 news

01:00:51.060 the

01:00:51.240 good

01:00:51.420 news

01:00:51.680 is

01:00:51.880 having

01:00:52.460 endured

01:00:52.920 all

01:00:53.360 of

01:00:53.540 that

01:00:53.920 he

01:00:54.600 returns

01:00:55.320 and

01:00:55.680 I

01:00:55.800 always

01:00:55.980 think

01:00:56.140 this

01:00:56.420 you

01:00:57.220 know

01:00:57.340 if

01:00:57.480 we

01:00:57.820 were

01:00:57.980 Hollywood

01:00:58.480 telling

01:00:58.840 the

01:00:59.040 story

01:00:59.320 you

01:00:59.540 never

01:00:59.680 heard

01:01:00.200 the

01:01:00.360 Jesus

01:01:00.560 story

01:01:00.760 but

01:01:00.960 here's

01:01:01.380 this

01:01:01.520 guy

01:01:01.860 this

01:01:02.140 horrible

01:01:02.660 thing

01:01:03.000 and

01:01:03.100 these

01:01:03.240 people

01:01:03.560 betrayed

01:01:04.000 him

01:01:04.180 and

01:01:04.300 denied

01:01:04.600 him

01:01:04.760 and

01:01:04.860 they

01:01:05.000 crucified

01:01:05.400 him

01:01:05.740 and

01:01:05.860 now

01:01:06.840 he's

01:01:07.100 back

01:01:07.680 with

01:01:08.900 a

01:01:09.020 machine

01:01:09.340 gun

01:01:09.620 I'm

01:01:09.840 back

01:01:10.040 for

01:01:10.260 vengeance

01:01:10.620 he's

01:01:11.700 back

01:01:12.140 with

01:01:12.600 shalom

01:01:13.420 a word

01:01:13.960 of

01:01:14.120 peace

01:01:14.460 as the

01:01:15.260 way

01:01:15.380 I

01:01:15.580 put it

01:01:16.040 Christianity

01:01:16.560 is

01:01:16.920 this

01:01:17.160 we

01:01:17.620 killed

01:01:18.120 God

01:01:18.700 and

01:01:19.620 God

01:01:19.920 returned

01:01:20.360 in

01:01:20.540 forgiving

01:01:20.880 love

01:01:21.280 and

01:01:21.920 that's

01:01:22.220 why

01:01:22.560 as

01:01:23.600 Paul

01:01:23.980 said

01:01:24.340 right

01:01:24.560 I'm

01:01:25.120 certain

01:01:25.480 neither

01:01:25.800 death

01:01:26.200 nor

01:01:26.380 life

01:01:26.760 nor

01:01:27.000 angels

01:01:27.380 nor

01:01:27.580 principalities

01:01:28.340 nor

01:01:28.580 height

01:01:28.960 nor

01:01:29.160 depth

01:01:29.520 nor

01:01:29.760 anything

01:01:30.480 else

01:01:31.040 could

01:01:31.580 ever

01:01:31.920 separate

01:01:32.320 us

01:01:32.480 from

01:01:32.580 love

01:01:32.740 of

01:01:32.880 God

01:01:33.120 how

01:01:33.860 does

01:01:33.980 Paul

01:01:34.160 know

01:01:34.360 that

01:01:34.620 because

01:01:35.200 we

01:01:36.040 killed

01:01:36.560 God

01:01:37.080 and

01:01:37.680 God

01:01:37.940 returned

01:01:38.300 in

01:01:38.460 forgiving

01:01:38.760 love

01:01:39.140 that's

01:01:39.600 salvation

01:01:40.040 that's

01:01:40.740 the word

01:01:41.520 of grace

01:01:41.960 if you

01:01:42.220 want

01:01:42.420 that's

01:01:42.900 the good

01:01:43.240 news

01:01:43.680 that's

01:01:44.360 what

01:01:44.460 they

01:01:44.600 went

01:01:44.840 careering

01:01:45.620 around

01:01:45.880 the world

01:01:46.240 to their

01:01:46.560 deaths

01:01:46.940 proclaiming

01:01:47.660 was that

01:01:48.220 you know

01:01:49.020 Paul

01:01:49.300 I preach

01:01:49.720 one thing

01:01:50.220 Christ

01:01:50.540 and him

01:01:50.820 crucified

01:01:51.240 because

01:01:52.180 that's

01:01:52.580 the message

01:01:53.160 we killed

01:01:54.440 him

01:01:54.640 God

01:01:55.620 raised

01:01:55.940 him

01:01:56.100 up

01:01:56.320 and he

01:01:56.640 returned

01:01:56.980 in

01:01:57.140 forgiving

01:01:57.460 love

01:01:57.880 that's

01:01:59.080 the good

01:01:59.700 news

01:02:00.040 do you

01:02:02.440 think

01:02:02.680 that

01:02:03.120 Christian

01:02:04.580 persecution

01:02:05.060 is on

01:02:05.880 the rise

01:02:06.340 oh I

01:02:06.760 know it

01:02:07.060 is

01:02:07.260 it's

01:02:07.720 documented

01:02:08.260 20th

01:02:09.500 century

01:02:09.680 was the

01:02:10.100 worst

01:02:10.380 century

01:02:10.780 for

01:02:11.000 Christian

01:02:11.280 martyrs

01:02:11.800 of all

01:02:12.500 of

01:02:12.860 Christian

01:02:13.220 history

01:02:13.560 all the

01:02:13.940 previous

01:02:14.260 centuries

01:02:14.560 combined

01:02:14.960 there were

01:02:15.540 more

01:02:15.840 martyrs

01:02:16.220 in the

01:02:16.340 20th

01:02:16.580 century

01:02:16.820 than

01:02:17.060 any

01:02:17.420 other

01:02:17.600 time

01:02:17.880 we

01:02:18.060 think

01:02:18.260 about

01:02:18.400 the

01:02:18.540 early

01:02:18.760 church

01:02:19.120 they

01:02:19.300 were

01:02:19.380 all

01:02:19.500 being

01:02:19.660 persecuted

01:02:20.000 far

01:02:20.820 greater

01:02:21.160 than

01:02:21.300 20th

01:02:21.560 century

01:02:21.800 now

01:02:22.200 around

01:02:22.780 the

01:02:22.960 world

01:02:23.180 we

01:02:23.660 are

01:02:23.800 by

01:02:23.980 far

01:02:24.460 the

01:02:24.640 most

01:02:24.820 persecuted

01:02:25.180 religion

01:02:25.560 absolutely

01:02:26.120 and

01:02:26.960 it's

01:02:27.140 a

01:02:27.240 it's

01:02:27.460 a

01:02:27.560 crime

01:02:27.920 it's

01:02:28.260 an

01:02:28.360 outrage

01:02:28.840 and

01:02:29.520 we

01:02:29.620 talk

01:02:29.800 about

01:02:30.040 in a

01:02:30.700 kind

01:02:30.840 of

01:02:30.920 demure

01:02:31.220 way

01:02:31.420 about

01:02:31.580 religious

01:02:31.960 liberty

01:02:32.300 in our

01:02:32.540 country

01:02:32.800 which is

01:02:33.180 indeed

01:02:33.440 under

01:02:33.660 threat

01:02:34.100 but you

01:02:34.820 want the

01:02:35.100 real threat

01:02:35.640 to

01:02:35.780 religious

01:02:36.160 liberty

01:02:36.600 it's

01:02:37.020 in

01:02:37.200 different

01:02:37.480 parts

01:02:37.780 of the

01:02:37.960 world

01:02:38.220 people

01:02:38.500 are

01:02:38.640 being

01:02:38.800 killed

01:02:39.080 for

01:02:39.260 their

01:02:39.420 Christian

01:02:39.740 faith

01:02:40.060 so

01:02:40.260 why

01:02:40.600 is

01:02:40.840 that

01:02:41.140 fact

01:02:41.940 suppressed

01:02:42.560 that

01:02:43.180 is

01:02:43.360 intentionally

01:02:43.980 suppressed

01:02:44.580 again

01:02:44.840 I

01:02:45.300 was

01:02:45.480 like

01:02:45.680 45

01:02:46.120 before

01:02:46.460 I

01:02:46.620 realized

01:02:46.900 the

01:02:47.060 Bolshevik

01:02:47.380 revolution

01:02:47.780 was

01:02:47.980 aimed

01:02:48.120 Christians

01:02:48.500 I

01:02:48.660 don't

01:02:48.740 know

01:02:48.860 why

01:02:49.000 I

01:02:49.080 didn't

01:02:49.220 get

01:02:49.380 that

01:02:49.580 but

01:02:49.720 I

01:02:49.820 didn't

01:02:50.180 yeah

01:02:51.360 I

01:02:51.900 have

01:02:52.300 to

01:02:52.380 ask

01:02:52.580 the

01:02:52.780 keepers

01:02:54.400 of

01:02:54.500 the

01:02:54.620 flame

01:02:54.880 culturally

01:02:55.340 but

01:02:55.780 it's

01:02:57.240 simply

01:02:57.460 the

01:02:57.660 case

01:02:57.960 today

01:02:58.400 it's

01:02:58.940 the

01:02:59.400 most

01:02:59.640 persecuted

01:03:00.000 religion

01:03:00.460 we can

01:03:02.700 look at

01:03:02.900 things

01:03:03.020 from

01:03:03.120 different

01:03:03.380 angles

01:03:03.780 I

01:03:03.920 suppose

01:03:04.160 one

01:03:04.840 tragedy

01:03:05.380 let's

01:03:05.600 say

01:03:05.660 the

01:03:05.800 20th

01:03:06.100 century

01:03:06.440 if

01:03:07.360 you

01:03:07.460 have

01:03:07.780 World

01:03:08.500 War

01:03:08.680 I

01:03:08.900 and

01:03:09.120 World

01:03:09.280 War

01:03:09.460 II

01:03:09.760 yes

01:03:10.980 there

01:03:11.160 are

01:03:11.600 anti

01:03:11.900 Christian

01:03:12.320 elements

01:03:12.740 to be

01:03:13.000 sure

01:03:13.160 Hitler

01:03:13.560 is

01:03:13.760 deeply

01:03:14.080 anti

01:03:14.360 Christian

01:03:14.720 but

01:03:15.600 you

01:03:15.680 also

01:03:15.880 had

01:03:16.180 French

01:03:17.320 Christians

01:03:17.780 killing

01:03:18.180 German

01:03:18.520 Christians

01:03:18.980 killing

01:03:19.460 Canadian

01:03:20.200 Christians

01:03:20.700 killing

01:03:21.060 American

01:03:21.480 Christians

01:03:21.940 killing

01:03:22.440 Russian

01:03:22.900 Christians

01:03:23.480 it was

01:03:24.380 this

01:03:24.580 massive

01:03:25.380 Christian

01:03:26.740 slaughter

01:03:27.580 bench

01:03:28.080 and

01:03:28.860 my

01:03:29.260 pet

01:03:29.640 theory

01:03:29.980 is

01:03:30.340 when

01:03:30.460 you

01:03:30.520 go

01:03:30.620 to

01:03:30.720 Europe

01:03:30.940 today

01:03:31.360 especially

01:03:31.680 parts

01:03:32.000 of

01:03:32.140 Europe

01:03:32.380 and

01:03:33.080 you

01:03:33.200 see

01:03:33.460 a

01:03:34.080 kind

01:03:34.480 of

01:03:34.680 spiritual

01:03:35.520 wasteland

01:03:36.260 I

01:03:37.860 think

01:03:38.160 that's

01:03:38.440 a big

01:03:38.760 part

01:03:39.020 of it

01:03:39.300 is

01:03:39.500 we're

01:03:40.220 just

01:03:40.380 recovering

01:03:40.960 from

01:03:41.380 this

01:03:41.660 horrific

01:03:42.820 outbreak

01:03:43.820 of

01:03:44.860 Christian

01:03:45.520 on

01:03:45.700 Christian

01:03:46.080 violence

01:03:46.720 the

01:03:48.280 gospel

01:03:48.760 did

01:03:49.180 that

01:03:49.360 get

01:03:49.560 into

01:03:49.800 anybody's

01:03:50.580 mind

01:03:51.060 and

01:03:51.220 heart

01:03:51.460 in

01:03:51.600 the

01:03:51.720 20th

01:03:52.040 century

01:03:52.320 that

01:03:53.040 allowed

01:03:53.600 this

01:03:53.940 orgy

01:03:54.580 of

01:03:54.740 violence

01:03:55.040 to

01:03:55.200 take

01:03:55.340 place

01:03:55.680 what

01:03:56.100 do

01:03:56.580 you

01:03:56.700 think

01:03:57.360 that

01:03:57.580 was

01:03:58.000 why

01:03:58.280 the

01:03:58.460 20th

01:03:58.840 century

01:03:59.240 well

01:04:00.140 you

01:04:00.560 do

01:04:00.820 so

01:04:01.180 much

01:04:01.340 darker

01:04:01.640 than

01:04:01.800 anything

01:04:02.020 that

01:04:02.160 happened

01:04:02.360 in

01:04:02.500 the

01:04:02.600 dark

01:04:02.860 ages

01:04:03.240 you

01:04:03.500 could

01:04:03.680 do

01:04:03.840 the

01:04:04.040 Leo

01:04:04.280 the

01:04:04.440 13th

01:04:04.940 you

01:04:05.020 know

01:04:05.140 who

01:04:05.300 gave

01:04:05.500 us

01:04:05.620 the

01:04:05.780 St.

01:04:05.940 Michael

01:04:06.160 prayer

01:04:06.520 and

01:04:06.940 who

01:04:07.680 supposedly

01:04:08.620 had

01:04:13.820 and

01:04:14.300 to

01:04:15.120 my

01:04:15.320 mind

01:04:15.480 it's

01:04:15.600 kind

01:04:15.740 of

01:04:15.820 hard

01:04:15.960 to

01:04:16.100 argue

01:04:16.300 with

01:04:16.460 that

01:04:16.680 if

01:04:17.580 you

01:04:17.660 believe

01:04:17.900 in

01:04:18.000 the

01:04:18.120 devil

01:04:18.360 as

01:04:19.220 I

01:04:19.360 do

01:04:19.580 and

01:04:19.880 you

01:04:20.040 see

01:04:20.340 what

01:04:20.960 happened

01:04:21.240 in

01:04:21.360 the

01:04:21.420 20th

01:04:21.700 century

01:04:21.940 it's

01:04:22.300 kind

01:04:22.440 of

01:04:22.560 hard

01:04:22.800 to

01:04:23.020 imagine

01:04:23.400 it

01:04:23.620 wasn't

01:04:24.020 to

01:04:24.160 some

01:04:24.320 degree

01:04:24.640 well

01:04:25.020 nuclear

01:04:25.320 weapons

01:04:25.700 are

01:04:25.840 proof

01:04:26.200 as

01:04:26.460 far

01:04:26.600 as

01:04:26.700 I

01:04:26.800 know

01:04:27.160 I

01:04:27.420 know

01:04:27.560 the

01:04:27.920 mass

01:04:28.920 destruction

01:04:29.600 mass

01:04:30.000 death

01:04:30.280 of

01:04:30.400 the

01:04:30.500 20th

01:04:30.780 century

01:04:31.080 it's

01:04:32.400 hard

01:04:32.600 to

01:04:32.720 blame

01:04:32.900 that

01:04:33.080 simply

01:04:33.520 on

01:04:33.720 political

01:04:34.020 reality

01:04:34.500 you

01:04:34.940 know

01:04:35.160 I

01:04:36.440 interrupted

01:04:37.060 you

01:04:37.280 you

01:04:38.180 said

01:04:38.420 Pope

01:04:39.700 Leo

01:04:40.280 the

01:04:40.520 13th

01:04:41.000 yeah

01:04:41.180 had

01:04:42.020 can

01:04:42.460 you

01:04:42.560 explain

01:04:42.940 what

01:04:43.200 you

01:04:43.320 mean

01:04:43.500 he

01:04:43.680 had

01:04:43.820 this

01:04:44.020 sense

01:04:44.260 a

01:04:44.540 mystical

01:04:44.880 experience

01:04:45.520 of

01:04:46.460 the

01:04:46.860 devil

01:04:47.180 would

01:04:47.540 have

01:04:48.280 a

01:04:48.820 unique

01:04:49.200 control

01:04:49.580 over

01:04:49.740 the

01:04:49.860 20th

01:04:50.140 century

01:04:50.420 and

01:04:50.660 so

01:04:50.820 he

01:04:51.020 formulates

01:04:51.540 the

01:04:51.700 famous

01:04:51.960 St.

01:04:52.240 Michael

01:04:52.480 prayer

01:04:52.780 that

01:04:52.940 we

01:04:53.040 still

01:04:53.260 pray

01:04:53.600 in

01:04:53.780 many

01:04:54.000 churches

01:04:54.340 asking

01:04:55.400 for

01:04:55.600 the

01:04:55.720 protection

01:04:56.060 of

01:04:56.260 Michael

01:04:56.460 the

01:04:56.640 archangel

01:04:57.140 when

01:04:57.540 did

01:04:57.900 he

01:04:58.300 have

01:04:58.440 this

01:04:58.600 experience

01:04:59.220 turned

01:04:59.580 the

01:04:59.700 end

01:04:59.800 of

01:04:59.880 his

01:04:59.980 life

01:05:00.240 so

01:05:00.400 he

01:05:00.720 died

01:05:00.940 1903

01:05:01.860 so

01:05:02.340 it

01:05:02.440 would

01:05:02.520 have

01:05:02.600 been

01:05:02.740 like

01:05:02.920 around

01:05:03.140 1900

01:05:03.620 late

01:05:04.360 19th

01:05:04.900 century

01:05:05.200 and

01:05:06.700 many

01:05:07.120 would

01:05:07.440 say

01:05:07.840 well

01:05:08.520 it

01:05:08.800 was

01:05:08.980 born

01:05:09.220 out

01:05:09.460 by

01:05:09.640 the

01:05:09.760 20th

01:05:10.040 century

01:05:10.320 I

01:05:10.520 would

01:05:10.680 like

01:05:11.200 you

01:05:11.300 know

01:05:11.400 for

01:05:11.560 me

01:05:11.940 in

01:05:12.240 my

01:05:12.360 own

01:05:12.560 lifetime

01:05:13.080 when

01:05:14.160 I

01:05:14.260 was

01:05:14.400 a

01:05:14.640 young

01:05:14.840 guy

01:05:14.960 going

01:05:15.140 through

01:05:15.300 school

01:05:15.620 we

01:05:16.460 were

01:05:16.600 still

01:05:16.800 very

01:05:17.000 much

01:05:17.220 formed

01:05:17.460 by

01:05:17.580 more

01:05:17.780 liberal

01:05:18.120 Catholic

01:05:18.620 view

01:05:19.460 the

01:05:20.260 devil

01:05:20.620 literary

01:05:21.560 device

01:05:22.220 as a

01:05:22.880 symbol

01:05:23.200 you

01:05:23.600 know

01:05:23.680 for

01:05:23.860 evil

01:05:24.260 don't

01:05:25.500 take

01:05:25.680 it

01:05:25.800 literally

01:05:26.140 you

01:05:26.600 were

01:05:26.700 taught

01:05:26.920 that

01:05:27.180 yeah

01:05:27.840 it

01:05:28.420 was

01:05:28.540 sort

01:05:28.660 of

01:05:28.720 the

01:05:28.820 standard

01:05:29.180 view

01:05:29.620 but

01:05:30.320 you

01:05:30.380 know

01:05:30.440 what

01:05:30.560 really

01:05:30.940 convinced

01:05:31.540 me

01:05:31.920 powerfully

01:05:33.040 of the

01:05:33.360 devil's

01:05:33.780 reality

01:05:34.640 was

01:05:35.100 the

01:05:35.260 sex

01:05:35.440 abuse

01:05:35.620 scandal

01:05:35.980 because

01:05:36.640 you

01:05:36.740 look

01:05:36.860 at

01:05:36.920 the

01:05:37.040 sex

01:05:37.200 abuse

01:05:37.360 scandal

01:05:37.660 which

01:05:38.000 has

01:05:38.180 haunted

01:05:38.440 almost

01:05:38.780 the

01:05:39.020 whole

01:05:39.280 of

01:05:39.420 my

01:05:39.580 priesthood

01:05:39.980 it

01:05:40.320 broke

01:05:40.620 in

01:05:40.780 Chicago

01:05:41.120 in

01:05:41.340 the

01:05:41.440 early

01:05:41.660 90s

01:05:42.180 I

01:05:42.560 was

01:05:42.680 ordained

01:05:42.940 in

01:05:43.100 1986

01:05:43.620 so

01:05:44.640 most

01:05:45.060 of

01:05:45.180 my

01:05:45.300 priesthood

01:05:45.600 been

01:05:45.800 under

01:05:46.060 the

01:05:46.280 shadow

01:05:46.640 the

01:05:47.360 sex

01:05:47.580 abuse

01:05:47.820 clergy

01:05:48.140 sex

01:05:48.440 abuse

01:05:48.600 scandal

01:05:48.960 has

01:05:49.940 adversely

01:05:51.300 affected

01:05:51.800 the

01:05:52.300 church

01:05:52.660 in

01:05:52.920 every

01:05:53.360 possible

01:05:53.900 way

01:05:54.340 and

01:05:55.080 you

01:05:55.200 look

01:05:55.460 at

01:05:55.640 it

01:05:55.740 and

01:05:55.820 you

01:05:55.920 say

01:05:56.160 could

01:05:57.720 that

01:05:57.900 have

01:05:58.020 just

01:05:58.200 been

01:05:58.400 an

01:05:58.760 accident

01:06:00.060 or

01:06:00.400 just

01:06:01.180 human

01:06:01.620 folly

01:06:02.240 and

01:06:02.480 sin

01:06:02.840 it

01:06:03.680 seemed

01:06:04.040 to

01:06:04.200 have

01:06:04.280 been

01:06:04.400 so

01:06:04.800 designed

01:06:05.880 by

01:06:06.740 a

01:06:06.960 wicked

01:06:07.220 mind

01:06:07.780 that

01:06:08.260 wanted

01:06:08.600 to

01:06:08.820 undermine

01:06:09.160 the

01:06:09.420 church

01:06:09.720 but

01:06:10.540 then

01:06:10.780 now

01:06:11.040 look

01:06:11.240 at

01:06:11.320 the

01:06:11.440 whole

01:06:11.660 20th

01:06:12.160 century

01:06:12.540 and

01:06:13.100 the

01:06:13.700 level

01:06:14.200 of

01:06:14.620 destruction

01:06:15.660 and

01:06:15.940 degradation

01:06:16.440 it's

01:06:17.340 hard

01:06:17.620 for

01:06:17.820 me

01:06:18.000 to

01:06:18.180 imagine

01:06:18.460 it's

01:06:18.800 just

01:06:19.200 because

01:06:19.540 of

01:06:19.720 political

01:06:20.080 forces

01:06:20.940 I couldn't

01:06:21.560 agree

01:06:21.900 more

01:06:22.280 I've

01:06:23.440 come to

01:06:23.700 this

01:06:23.840 conclusion

01:06:24.180 recently

01:06:24.600 but I

01:06:24.880 think

01:06:25.020 you're

01:06:25.140 exactly

01:06:25.460 right

01:06:25.820 so

01:06:26.120 what's

01:06:26.320 the

01:06:26.480 Saint

01:06:26.640 Michael's

01:06:27.000 prayer

01:06:27.220 that

01:06:27.420 was

01:06:27.720 Saint

01:06:28.180 Michael

01:06:28.400 the

01:06:28.560 archangel

01:06:28.880 defend

01:06:29.220 us

01:06:29.380 in

01:06:29.480 battle

01:06:29.660 I

01:06:44.620 said

01:06:44.960 I

01:06:45.180 think

01:06:45.380 this

01:06:45.600 century

01:06:45.920 is

01:06:46.080 going

01:06:46.180 to

01:06:46.360 be

01:06:46.500 done

01:06:46.740 to

01:06:47.120 the

01:06:47.240 devil

01:06:47.460 and

01:06:47.640 he

01:06:47.740 formulated

01:06:48.080 that

01:06:48.300 prayer

01:06:48.520 to

01:06:48.760 be

01:06:48.960 prayed

01:06:49.240 in

01:06:49.440 catholic

01:06:49.780 churches

01:06:49.960 what

01:06:50.060 did

01:06:50.140 people

01:06:50.360 say

01:06:50.820 when

01:06:51.560 he

01:06:51.720 said

01:06:51.920 that

01:06:52.140 I

01:06:52.400 think

01:06:52.540 most

01:06:52.760 of

01:06:52.920 them

01:06:53.560 I

01:06:55.380 1903

01:06:55.940 was

01:06:56.180 a

01:06:56.320 period

01:06:56.600 of

01:06:56.780 great

01:06:57.120 hope

01:06:57.420 in

01:06:57.580 the

01:06:57.700 West

01:06:57.880 which

01:06:58.820 is

01:06:58.960 fascinating

01:06:59.340 to

01:06:59.580 me

01:06:59.760 you

01:06:59.960 know

01:07:00.120 there's

01:07:00.780 a

01:07:01.020 magazine

01:07:01.380 called

01:07:01.620 the

01:07:01.760 Christian

01:07:02.000 century

01:07:02.420 it's

01:07:03.080 a

01:07:03.180 Christian

01:07:03.800 theological

01:07:04.920 journal

01:07:05.680 and

01:07:06.520 it

01:07:06.640 was born

01:07:06.960 at

01:07:07.080 that

01:07:07.220 time

01:07:07.580 and

01:07:08.020 that's

01:07:08.420 the

01:07:08.500 idea

01:07:08.780 is

01:07:09.020 this

01:07:09.360 is

01:07:09.480 the

01:07:09.620 Christian

01:07:09.940 century

01:07:10.380 that

01:07:11.140 you

01:07:11.360 know

01:07:11.480 progress

01:07:11.940 and

01:07:12.380 economic

01:07:12.820 progress

01:07:13.300 and

01:07:13.460 the

01:07:14.060 world

01:07:14.320 and

01:07:14.660 the

01:07:14.800 social

01:07:15.120 gospel

01:07:15.580 and

01:07:16.020 this

01:07:16.400 is

01:07:16.560 our

01:07:16.840 century

01:07:17.320 and

01:07:18.100 then

01:07:18.340 it

01:07:18.940 didn't

01:07:19.140 exactly

01:07:19.440 work

01:07:19.740 out

01:07:19.880 that

01:07:20.060 way

01:07:20.660 Leo

01:07:22.060 intuited

01:07:22.740 or

01:07:23.060 had a

01:07:24.040 mystical

01:07:24.260 experience

01:07:24.740 to the

01:07:24.960 effect

01:07:25.220 that

01:07:25.400 it

01:07:25.480 would

01:07:25.600 belong

01:07:25.940 not

01:07:26.200 to

01:07:26.440 the

01:07:26.920 Christian

01:07:27.180 churches

01:07:27.500 but

01:07:27.680 to

01:07:27.780 the

01:07:27.880 devil

01:07:28.140 so

01:07:29.000 you

01:07:29.220 know

01:07:29.280 we

01:07:29.400 got

01:07:29.540 a

01:07:29.700 battle

01:07:29.940 on

01:07:30.100 our

01:07:30.220 hands

01:07:30.460 but

01:07:30.680 we

01:07:37.220 not

01:07:37.460 prevail

01:07:37.800 against

01:07:38.100 the

01:07:38.240 church

01:07:38.440 you

01:07:39.120 know

01:07:39.240 that

01:07:39.540 image

01:07:39.880 too

01:07:40.160 I

01:07:41.200 don't

01:07:41.300 know

01:07:41.400 why

01:07:41.720 but

01:07:42.120 for

01:07:42.400 most

01:07:42.640 of

01:07:42.760 my

01:07:42.860 life

01:07:43.200 I

01:07:44.040 am

01:07:44.240 okay

01:07:44.780 the

01:07:45.000 gates

01:07:45.280 of

01:07:45.420 hell

01:07:45.560 will

01:07:45.680 not

01:07:45.780 prevail

01:07:45.960 against

01:07:46.200 it

01:07:46.280 which

01:07:46.420 means

01:07:46.620 somehow

01:07:46.960 hell

01:07:47.740 is

01:07:47.960 going

01:07:48.100 to

01:07:48.200 come

01:07:48.420 against

01:07:48.820 us

01:07:49.040 but

01:07:49.200 we're

01:07:49.380 going

01:07:49.500 to

01:07:49.580 win

01:07:49.720 the

01:07:49.860 battle

01:07:50.160 but

01:07:50.460 that's

01:07:51.200 not

01:07:51.340 what

01:07:51.460 it

01:07:51.580 means

01:07:51.880 the

01:07:52.660 gates

01:07:53.140 would

01:07:53.440 be

01:07:53.580 the

01:07:53.760 weakest

01:07:54.020 point

01:07:54.400 of

01:07:54.520 a

01:07:54.640 city

01:07:54.820 wall

01:07:55.220 and

01:07:55.940 so

01:07:56.220 when

01:07:56.960 you're

01:07:57.100 attacking

01:07:57.540 a

01:07:57.780 city

01:07:58.020 you

01:07:58.360 go

01:07:58.540 after

01:07:58.720 the

01:07:58.920 gates

01:07:59.300 so

01:08:00.280 what

01:08:00.460 the

01:08:00.940 Lord

01:08:01.100 is

01:08:01.260 saying

01:08:01.500 is

01:08:01.740 no

01:08:02.500 no

01:08:02.700 you're

01:08:03.280 not

01:08:03.440 defensive

01:08:03.900 here

01:08:04.120 you're

01:08:04.520 on

01:08:04.680 the

01:08:04.840 march

01:08:05.260 you're

01:08:05.760 on

01:08:05.900 the

01:08:06.060 offensive

01:08:06.600 and

01:08:06.940 the

01:08:07.140 gates

01:08:07.520 of

01:08:07.700 hell

01:08:08.020 will

01:08:08.840 not

01:08:09.140 prevail

01:08:09.460 against

01:08:09.800 you

01:08:10.060 you're

01:08:10.720 going

01:08:10.820 to

01:08:10.920 win

01:08:11.180 you're

01:08:11.660 invading

01:08:12.480 hell

01:08:12.880 and

01:08:13.080 it's

01:08:13.220 not

01:08:13.460 going

01:08:13.560 to

01:08:13.640 prevail

01:08:13.900 against

01:08:14.200 you

01:08:14.420 so

01:08:15.080 it's

01:08:15.260 like

01:08:15.440 not

01:08:15.920 a

01:08:16.140 cowering

01:08:16.840 we'll

01:08:17.720 put up

01:08:18.060 a

01:08:18.140 good

01:08:18.280 defense

01:08:18.660 and

01:08:18.800 move

01:08:19.880 as

01:08:20.080 far

01:08:20.300 away

01:08:20.480 as

01:08:20.900 we

01:08:27.780 world

01:08:27.980 over

01:08:28.460 to

01:08:29.360 pure

01:08:31.060 secularism

01:08:31.620 or

01:08:31.740 whatever

01:08:32.000 well

01:08:32.480 of course

01:08:32.700 we're

01:08:32.820 not

01:08:32.960 going

01:08:33.080 to

01:08:33.120 do

01:08:33.240 well

01:08:33.560 in

01:08:33.680 the

01:08:33.760 battle

01:08:34.040 but

01:08:34.560 when

01:08:34.720 Christians

01:08:35.080 know

01:08:35.340 our

01:08:35.680 job

01:08:36.160 is

01:08:36.320 to

01:08:36.440 be

01:08:36.620 fully

01:08:37.080 engaged

01:08:37.780 in

01:08:37.980 this

01:08:38.140 great

01:08:38.420 struggle

01:08:38.800 and

01:08:39.660 we're

01:08:40.500 going

01:08:40.720 after

01:08:40.960 you

01:08:41.220 hell

01:08:41.600 we're

01:08:41.920 coming

01:08:42.220 after

01:08:42.620 hatred

01:08:43.240 violence

01:08:43.860 stupidity

01:08:44.960 superstition

01:08:45.820 scapegoating

01:08:48.020 we're

01:08:48.700 going

01:08:49.900 after

01:08:50.340 you

01:08:50.700 we're

01:08:51.080 on

01:08:51.220 the

01:08:51.340 march

01:08:51.740 when

01:08:54.080 I

01:08:54.220 was

01:08:54.380 coming

01:08:54.600 of

01:08:54.780 age

01:08:54.980 we

01:08:55.120 didn't

01:08:55.320 have

01:08:55.480 that

01:08:55.640 language

01:08:56.020 why

01:08:57.080 it

01:08:58.620 was

01:08:58.800 an

01:08:58.920 attempt

01:08:59.400 I

01:08:59.880 know

01:09:00.500 because

01:09:00.880 the

01:09:01.040 people

01:09:01.280 that

01:09:01.440 taught

01:09:01.660 me

01:09:01.840 were

01:09:02.000 good

01:09:02.240 people

01:09:02.620 and

01:09:02.960 they

01:09:03.120 were

01:09:03.300 positively

01:09:04.740 motivated

01:09:05.300 I know

01:09:05.600 that

01:09:05.720 for sure

01:09:06.120 they felt

01:09:07.720 the church

01:09:08.320 needed to be

01:09:08.820 relevant to

01:09:09.460 the modern

01:09:09.960 world

01:09:10.360 and

01:09:11.040 that the

01:09:12.440 modern

01:09:12.720 world

01:09:13.180 should

01:09:13.520 set

01:09:13.860 the

01:09:14.060 agenda

01:09:14.560 for

01:09:14.840 the

01:09:15.040 church

01:09:15.340 that

01:09:15.540 was

01:09:15.660 a

01:09:15.800 big

01:09:16.100 part

01:09:16.340 of

01:09:16.420 the

01:09:16.520 mentality

01:09:16.980 that

01:09:17.800 we

01:09:17.960 had

01:09:18.100 been

01:09:18.420 in

01:09:19.020 a

01:09:19.160 fortress

01:09:19.440 too

01:09:19.720 long

01:09:20.160 we

01:09:20.400 had

01:09:20.700 been

01:09:20.720 in

01:09:20.880 a

01:09:20.980 defensive

01:09:21.360 crouch

01:09:21.920 we

01:09:22.660 had

01:09:22.860 demonized

01:09:23.340 the

01:09:23.500 world

01:09:23.840 and so

01:09:24.180 now

01:09:24.380 we

01:09:24.540 need

01:09:24.680 to

01:09:24.800 go

01:09:24.960 out

01:09:25.180 to

01:09:25.280 the

01:09:25.400 world

01:09:25.620 in

01:09:25.820 a

01:09:25.940 confident

01:09:26.280 spirit

01:09:26.700 and

01:09:27.500 that's

01:09:27.820 definitely

01:09:28.260 the

01:09:28.440 Catholicism

01:09:28.860 I

01:09:29.120 got

01:09:29.320 as a

01:09:29.520 young

01:09:29.660 man

01:09:29.980 but

01:09:30.760 see

01:09:30.940 here's

01:09:31.280 something

01:09:31.400 I've

01:09:31.580 always

01:09:31.720 found

01:09:31.880 kind

01:09:32.040 of

01:09:32.120 puzzling

01:09:32.460 so

01:09:33.480 I

01:09:33.740 come

01:09:34.180 of

01:09:34.320 age

01:09:34.520 right

01:09:34.760 after

01:09:35.160 the

01:09:35.380 second

01:09:35.580 Vatican

01:09:35.860 council

01:09:36.200 which

01:09:36.820 ended

01:09:37.040 1965

01:09:37.940 I

01:09:38.420 went

01:09:38.560 to

01:09:38.700 first

01:09:38.900 grade

01:09:39.140 1966

01:09:39.860 right

01:09:40.700 so

01:09:41.840 that's

01:09:42.440 the

01:09:42.580 church

01:09:43.100 that I

01:09:43.340 inherited

01:09:43.680 very

01:09:43.960 much

01:09:44.240 Vatican

01:09:45.300 II

01:09:45.700 was

01:09:46.320 written

01:09:46.580 by

01:09:46.840 people

01:09:47.260 who

01:09:47.560 had

01:09:47.700 experienced

01:09:48.460 the

01:09:49.580 worst

01:09:50.480 of the

01:09:50.700 20th

01:09:50.980 century

01:09:51.240 mostly

01:09:51.920 European

01:09:52.380 intellectuals

01:09:53.120 French

01:09:53.380 German

01:09:53.780 a lot

01:09:54.240 of

01:09:54.360 them

01:09:54.540 Americans

01:09:55.600 Swiss

01:09:55.900 Italian

01:09:56.420 Swiss

01:09:56.780 right

01:09:57.140 are the

01:09:57.720 people

01:09:57.920 that

01:09:58.140 wrote

01:09:58.580 Vatican

01:09:59.200 II

01:09:59.480 and

01:10:01.380 they

01:10:02.020 experienced

01:10:02.820 some of

01:10:03.520 the worst

01:10:03.900 horrors

01:10:04.380 in human

01:10:04.720 history

01:10:05.080 so

01:10:05.260 Vatican

01:10:05.560 II

01:10:05.840 is a

01:10:06.140 direct

01:10:06.440 response

01:10:06.880 to the

01:10:07.120 Second

01:10:07.300 World

01:10:07.520 War

01:10:07.780 no

01:10:08.560 I

01:10:08.680 wouldn't

01:10:08.800 say

01:10:08.960 that

01:10:09.320 Vatican

01:10:10.120 II

01:10:10.520 look

01:10:11.860 let me

01:10:12.960 talk about

01:10:13.280 it

01:10:13.440 positively

01:10:14.140 Vatican

01:10:14.520 II

01:10:14.720 was a

01:10:15.040 missionary

01:10:15.300 council

01:10:15.680 I

01:10:15.880 think

01:10:16.000 the

01:10:16.180 best

01:10:16.420 people

01:10:16.760 at

01:10:16.900 Vatican

01:10:17.120 II

01:10:17.360 felt

01:10:17.700 the

01:10:18.300 church

01:10:18.620 has

01:10:19.720 been

01:10:19.940 crouching

01:10:20.380 behind

01:10:20.620 walls

01:10:20.980 for

01:10:21.160 too

01:10:21.340 long

01:10:21.640 and

01:10:21.840 it

01:10:21.980 should

01:10:22.200 go

01:10:22.420 out

01:10:22.820 not

01:10:23.400 to

01:10:23.620 conform

01:10:24.380 to

01:10:24.560 the

01:10:24.680 modern

01:10:24.860 world

01:10:25.160 but

01:10:25.660 to

01:10:25.820 convert

01:10:26.960 the

01:10:27.140 modern

01:10:27.320 world

01:10:27.560 it

01:10:28.200 it's

01:10:28.520 how

01:10:28.720 do

01:10:28.840 we

01:10:28.940 get

01:10:29.060 the

01:10:29.180 church

01:10:29.360 to

01:10:29.520 engage

01:10:30.080 modernity

01:10:30.720 in

01:10:30.980 a

01:10:31.140 confident

01:10:31.620 spirit

01:10:32.900 I

01:10:33.760 think

01:10:33.940 that

01:10:34.080 people

01:10:34.300 like

01:10:34.600 DeLubach

01:10:35.280 and

01:10:35.520 von

01:10:35.720 Baltasar

01:10:36.360 and

01:10:36.820 Wojtyla

01:10:37.460 and

01:10:37.840 Ratzinger

01:10:38.380 these

01:10:38.740 people

01:10:39.080 that's

01:10:39.800 what

01:10:39.900 they

01:10:40.020 had

01:10:40.160 in

01:10:40.260 mind

01:10:40.500 you

01:10:40.800 know

01:10:40.960 now

01:10:41.800 what

01:10:42.540 the

01:10:42.740 church

01:10:43.020 became

01:10:43.620 after

01:10:44.140 the

01:10:44.360 council

01:10:44.660 that's

01:10:44.900 a

01:10:45.000 different

01:10:45.220 story

01:10:45.720 what

01:10:46.440 developed

01:10:46.980 after

01:10:47.420 the

01:10:47.600 council

01:10:47.920 that's

01:10:48.720 the

01:10:48.840 church

01:10:49.000 that

01:10:49.120 I

01:10:49.260 came

01:10:49.480 of

01:10:49.620 age

01:10:49.800 in

01:10:49.980 and

01:10:50.540 I

01:10:50.660 think

01:10:50.860 that

01:10:51.160 was

01:10:51.840 a

01:10:52.120 too

01:10:52.300 apologetic

01:10:52.980 church

01:10:53.320 that

01:10:53.560 was

01:10:53.740 a

01:10:53.880 church

01:10:54.080 that

01:10:54.640 lost

01:10:55.560 the

01:10:55.740 missionary

01:10:56.080 edge

01:10:56.520 it

01:10:57.260 was

01:10:57.400 more

01:10:57.640 the

01:10:57.860 you

01:10:58.180 know

01:10:58.300 conformity

01:10:58.920 to

01:10:59.080 the

01:10:59.200 world

01:10:59.500 the

01:11:00.040 world

01:11:00.260 sets

01:11:00.520 the

01:11:00.660 agenda

01:11:00.980 for

01:11:01.240 us

01:11:01.500 that

01:11:02.380 was

01:11:02.580 a

01:11:02.700 distortion

01:11:03.160 of

01:11:03.400 Vatican

01:11:03.660 2

01:11:03.940 but

01:11:05.300 that's

01:11:05.580 the

01:11:05.700 church

01:11:05.880 that

01:11:06.040 formed

01:11:06.320 a lot

01:11:12.740 of

01:11:13.100 Vatican

01:11:13.820 2

01:11:14.100 not

01:11:14.600 Vatican

01:11:14.920 2

01:11:15.160 per

01:11:15.380 se

01:11:15.520 I

01:11:15.780 would

01:11:15.920 say

01:11:16.260 more

01:11:17.040 the

01:11:17.180 result

01:11:17.560 of

01:11:17.900 the

01:11:18.060 sexual

01:11:18.340 revolution

01:11:18.820 and

01:11:19.260 of

01:11:19.420 a

01:11:19.580 loosening

01:11:20.180 of

01:11:20.480 moral

01:11:20.920 strictures

01:11:22.700 there

01:11:23.800 was

01:11:24.200 I

01:11:24.520 sense

01:11:25.580 this

01:11:25.760 even

01:11:26.180 as a

01:11:26.400 young

01:11:26.540 man

01:11:26.820 there

01:11:27.140 was

01:11:27.480 a

01:11:27.660 sense

01:11:27.960 of

01:11:28.420 you

01:11:28.840 know

01:11:28.980 we've

01:11:29.280 repressed

01:11:29.560 stuff

01:11:29.740 too

01:11:29.920 long

01:11:30.240 and

01:11:30.600 we

01:11:31.080 really

01:11:31.300 need

01:11:31.480 to

01:11:31.580 be

01:11:31.700 more

01:11:31.960 expressive

01:11:32.480 and

01:11:32.840 there's

01:11:33.040 too

01:11:33.180 much

01:11:33.380 of

01:11:33.480 this

01:11:33.640 obsession

01:11:34.080 with

01:11:34.420 you

01:11:34.840 know

01:11:34.920 sexual

01:11:35.320 sin

01:11:35.720 and

01:11:36.020 so

01:11:36.880 and

01:11:37.100 then

01:11:37.200 the

01:11:37.340 whole

01:11:42.740 express

01:11:43.040 what

01:11:43.320 you're

01:11:43.520 feeling

01:11:43.820 and

01:11:44.040 I

01:11:44.620 think

01:11:44.840 a lot

01:11:45.340 of

01:11:45.960 priests

01:11:46.980 frankly

01:11:47.340 got

01:11:47.580 caught

01:11:48.020 up

01:11:48.260 in

01:11:48.460 that

01:11:48.680 cultural

01:11:49.180 movement

01:11:49.780 and

01:11:50.740 because

01:11:51.580 we

01:11:52.180 can

01:11:52.420 measure

01:11:52.760 it

01:11:53.040 the

01:11:53.480 sex

01:11:53.660 abuse

01:11:53.920 the

01:11:54.100 clergy

01:11:54.300 sex

01:11:54.580 abuse

01:11:54.840 spiked

01:11:55.560 by

01:11:56.800 the

01:11:57.480 70s

01:11:58.460 into

01:11:58.700 the

01:11:58.860 very

01:11:59.000 early

01:11:59.300 80s

01:11:59.760 and

01:11:59.960 then

01:12:00.100 it

01:12:00.200 began

01:12:00.520 going

01:12:00.960 down

01:12:01.280 and

01:12:01.900 then

01:12:02.020 after

01:12:02.240 2002

01:12:03.040 when

01:12:03.500 the

01:12:03.640 church

01:12:03.800 put

01:12:04.100 in

01:12:04.280 all

01:12:04.620 kinds

01:12:05.160 of

01:12:05.320 important

01:12:05.680 restrictions

01:12:06.240 the

01:12:06.880 so-called

01:12:07.180 Dallas

01:12:07.640 Accords

01:12:08.140 being

01:12:08.920 first

01:12:09.560 among

01:12:09.820 them

01:12:10.060 it's

01:12:10.780 fallen

01:12:11.000 off

01:12:12.740 completely

01:12:13.360 down

01:12:13.780 so

01:12:14.400 we

01:12:14.560 can

01:12:14.720 measure

01:12:15.020 a

01:12:15.240 spiking

01:12:15.660 of

01:12:15.880 it

01:12:16.000 right

01:12:16.400 at

01:12:16.660 the

01:12:16.880 height

01:12:17.200 of

01:12:17.440 the

01:12:17.580 sexual

01:12:17.860 revolution

01:12:18.360 I

01:12:19.060 think

01:12:19.220 that's

01:12:19.460 responsible

01:12:19.920 for

01:12:20.160 a lot

01:12:20.380 of

01:12:20.500 it

01:12:20.660 what

01:12:22.180 were

01:12:22.300 the

01:12:22.420 changes

01:12:23.020 brought

01:12:24.020 by

01:12:24.220 Vatican

01:12:24.560 to

01:12:25.020 there

01:12:25.300 was

01:12:25.460 famously

01:12:26.200 the

01:12:26.660 change

01:12:26.940 in

01:12:27.040 language

01:12:27.340 of

01:12:27.680 the

01:12:27.820 mass

01:12:28.160 from

01:12:28.420 Latin

01:12:28.720 to

01:12:28.960 colloquial

01:12:29.320 but

01:12:30.560 I

01:12:31.120 learned

01:12:31.360 recently

01:12:31.740 that

01:12:31.960 there

01:12:32.080 were

01:12:32.300 what

01:12:32.980 seemed

01:12:33.160 like

01:12:33.300 theological

01:12:33.820 changes

01:12:34.400 to

01:12:34.640 church

01:12:34.860 doctrine

01:12:35.300 is

01:12:35.640 that

01:12:35.820 fair

01:12:36.080 not

01:12:36.740 really

01:12:36.960 I

01:12:37.160 would

01:12:37.480 say

01:12:37.680 there

01:12:37.820 was

01:12:37.960 development

01:12:38.720 of

01:12:38.940 doctrine

01:12:39.280 I'm

01:12:39.520 using

01:12:39.740 John

01:12:40.120 Henry

01:12:40.380 Newman's

01:12:40.780 language

01:12:41.060 there

01:12:41.320 Newman

01:12:41.620 says

01:12:41.920 that

01:12:42.160 doctrine

01:12:43.020 is

01:12:43.200 not

01:12:43.340 just

01:12:43.500 handed

01:12:43.780 on

01:12:43.940 like

01:12:44.060 a

01:12:44.180 football

01:12:44.480 from

01:12:45.020 one

01:12:45.240 generation

01:12:45.660 to

01:12:45.820 the

01:12:45.900 other

01:12:46.040 it

01:12:46.320 unfolds

01:12:47.260 more

01:12:47.420 like

01:12:47.640 a

01:12:47.800 river

01:12:48.340 expanding

01:12:48.960 or

01:12:49.220 like

01:12:49.420 a

01:12:49.700 tree

01:12:50.500 growing

01:12:51.060 so

01:12:51.440 doctrine

01:12:52.060 doesn't

01:12:52.400 turn

01:12:52.700 back

01:12:53.080 on

01:12:53.240 itself

01:12:53.680 but

01:12:54.340 it

01:12:54.480 can

01:12:54.860 grow

01:12:55.820 and

01:12:56.040 express

01:12:56.360 itself

01:12:56.660 in

01:12:56.820 fresh

01:12:57.080 ways

01:12:57.520 for

01:12:58.400 example

01:12:58.640 the

01:12:59.000 ecclesiology

01:13:01.020 of

01:13:01.240 Vatican

01:13:01.460 II

01:13:01.700 the

01:13:01.920 understanding

01:13:02.400 of

01:13:02.640 the

01:13:02.800 church

01:13:03.240 and

01:13:03.440 its

01:13:07.820 moving

01:13:08.720 away

01:13:09.120 from

01:13:09.440 a

01:13:09.620 highly

01:13:11.240 juridical

01:13:11.860 to

01:13:12.780 a

01:13:12.940 more

01:13:13.100 organic

01:13:13.660 sense

01:13:14.040 of

01:13:14.180 the

01:13:14.380 church

01:13:14.680 the

01:13:15.760 church

01:13:16.060 not

01:13:16.400 crouching

01:13:17.020 defensively

01:13:17.620 but

01:13:17.760 the

01:13:17.900 church

01:13:18.080 going

01:13:18.360 out

01:13:18.640 in

01:13:18.800 confident

01:13:19.220 missionary

01:13:19.580 spirit

01:13:20.100 the

01:13:20.800 church

01:13:21.080 is

01:13:21.260 the

01:13:21.600 people

01:13:21.960 of

01:13:22.140 God

01:13:22.440 not

01:13:22.760 just

01:13:23.140 the

01:13:23.340 hierarchy

01:13:23.820 all

01:13:24.240 of

01:13:24.380 that

01:13:24.540 stuff

01:13:24.760 would

01:13:24.900 be

01:13:25.060 emphases

01:13:25.540 within

01:13:25.900 Vatican

01:13:26.220 II

01:13:26.480 they

01:13:27.140 represent

01:13:27.540 not

01:13:27.800 a

01:13:27.920 repudiation

01:13:28.480 of

01:13:28.720 the

01:13:28.840 previous

01:13:29.320 ecclesiology

01:13:30.060 but

01:13:30.280 a

01:13:30.440 development

01:13:30.900 of

01:13:31.280 it

01:13:31.440 the

01:13:32.840 role

01:13:33.040 of

01:13:33.160 the

01:13:33.260 laity

01:13:33.540 in

01:13:33.680 the

01:13:33.780 world

01:13:34.080 that

01:13:35.160 around

01:13:35.580 from

01:13:35.780 the

01:13:35.880 beginning

01:13:36.140 of

01:13:36.300 the

01:13:36.400 church

01:13:36.600 but

01:13:36.780 had

01:13:36.880 been

01:13:37.040 muted

01:13:37.420 prior

01:13:38.540 to

01:13:38.680 the

01:13:38.780 council

01:13:39.100 laity

01:13:39.560 where

01:13:39.780 you

01:13:39.900 know

01:13:40.000 come

01:13:40.200 to

01:13:40.320 mass

01:13:40.520 on

01:13:40.680 Sunday

01:13:40.980 yes

01:13:41.280 and

01:13:41.420 say

01:13:41.560 your

01:13:41.720 prayers

01:13:42.020 and

01:13:42.240 donate

01:13:42.680 to

01:13:42.840 the

01:13:42.980 church

01:13:43.240 and

01:13:43.360 all

01:13:43.460 that

01:13:43.680 where

01:13:44.240 Vatican

01:13:44.520 II

01:13:44.740 said

01:13:44.920 no

01:13:45.100 your

01:13:45.300 job

01:13:45.560 is

01:13:45.700 to

01:13:45.880 christify

01:13:46.480 the

01:13:46.680 world

01:13:47.000 you're

01:13:47.580 meant

01:13:47.740 to

01:13:47.860 go

01:13:48.000 out

01:13:48.220 into

01:13:48.560 business

01:13:49.160 finance

01:13:49.700 entertainment

01:13:50.320 sports

01:13:50.840 education

01:13:51.440 everything

01:13:51.920 and

01:13:52.520 christify

01:13:53.020 the

01:13:53.200 world

01:13:53.400 well

01:13:53.860 that's

01:13:54.020 a

01:13:54.120 healthy

01:13:55.480 development

01:13:55.960 of

01:13:56.320 doctrine

01:13:56.680 I

01:13:56.840 agree

01:13:57.180 at

01:13:57.540 Vatican

01:13:57.780 II

01:13:57.940 so

01:13:58.100 that's

01:13:58.580 how

01:13:58.680 I

01:13:58.860 read

01:13:59.100 it

01:13:59.320 and

01:13:59.480 again

01:13:59.740 do

01:14:00.120 Vatican

01:14:00.620 II

01:14:01.100 but

01:14:01.600 then

01:14:01.900 the

01:14:02.420 post

01:14:02.740 conciliar

01:14:03.120 period

01:14:03.620 which

01:14:04.460 was

01:14:04.800 often

01:14:05.060 not

01:14:05.280 all

01:14:05.500 that

01:14:05.680 faithful

01:14:06.060 to

01:14:06.260 Vatican

01:14:06.540 II

01:14:06.800 it

01:14:07.020 was

01:14:07.160 more

01:14:07.520 faithful

01:14:07.880 to

01:14:08.080 the

01:14:08.240 spirit

01:14:08.480 of

01:14:08.600 the

01:14:08.700 world

01:14:08.960 were

01:14:09.180 there

01:14:09.280 any

01:14:09.420 changes

01:14:09.780 to

01:14:09.960 the

01:14:10.000 way

01:14:10.080 the

01:14:10.180 gospel

01:14:10.440 story

01:14:10.740 was

01:14:10.900 told

01:14:11.180 well

01:14:13.260 no

01:14:13.560 except

01:14:13.980 you know

01:14:14.660 the

01:14:14.860 vernacular

01:14:15.360 at the

01:14:15.700 mass

01:14:16.000 makes

01:14:16.360 the

01:14:16.640 whole

01:14:16.940 liturgy

01:14:17.300 more

01:14:17.520 accessible

01:14:17.920 to

01:14:18.200 people

01:14:18.580 I

01:14:19.620 think

01:14:19.840 I

01:14:20.140 don't

01:14:20.280 even

01:14:20.420 know

01:14:20.580 because

01:14:20.720 it's

01:14:20.840 before

01:14:21.060 my

01:14:21.280 time

01:14:21.600 that

01:14:21.780 the

01:14:21.920 gospel

01:14:22.240 was

01:14:22.560 still

01:14:22.820 read

01:14:23.260 I

01:14:23.400 think

01:14:23.660 in

01:14:23.860 the

01:14:24.260 vernacular

01:14:24.740 before

01:14:25.520 the

01:14:25.840 council

01:14:26.600 we

01:14:27.100 got

01:14:27.240 greater

01:14:27.680 exposure

01:14:29.640 to

01:14:29.860 the

01:14:29.980 Bible

01:14:30.240 after

01:14:30.600 Vatican

01:14:30.920 II

01:14:31.120 they

01:14:31.280 opened

01:14:31.560 up

01:14:31.720 more

01:14:31.880 of

01:14:31.980 the

01:14:32.060 Bible

01:14:32.320 to

01:14:32.600 us

01:14:32.860 but

01:14:33.540 I

01:14:33.720 don't

01:14:33.800 think

01:14:33.940 the

01:14:34.020 way

01:14:34.120 the

01:14:34.260 gospel

01:14:34.580 story

01:14:34.900 was

01:14:35.080 told

01:14:35.320 I

01:14:35.480 don't

01:14:35.560 think

01:14:35.680 that

01:14:35.840 changed

01:14:36.300 the

01:14:39.120 church

01:14:39.380 seems

01:14:39.680 to

01:14:39.880 be

01:14:40.220 readjusting

01:14:41.340 in a

01:14:41.560 new

01:14:41.680 direction

01:14:42.140 now

01:14:42.660 is

01:14:43.440 that

01:14:43.560 fair

01:14:43.800 with

01:14:44.120 Pope

01:14:44.360 Leo

01:14:44.640 you

01:14:44.820 mean

01:14:45.000 well

01:14:46.140 that

01:14:46.340 just

01:14:46.580 happened

01:14:46.900 no

01:14:47.160 but

01:14:47.340 I

01:14:47.460 mean

01:14:47.660 I

01:14:47.920 well

01:14:48.220 I'll

01:14:48.360 just

01:14:48.500 be

01:14:48.720 totally

01:14:49.020 blunt

01:14:49.340 so

01:14:49.680 the

01:14:49.940 Catholic

01:14:50.160 church

01:14:50.480 got

01:14:50.780 in

01:14:51.000 American

01:14:51.480 political

01:14:52.000 terms

01:14:52.420 which

01:14:52.660 are

01:14:52.820 pretty

01:14:53.160 limited

01:14:53.480 way

01:14:53.680 to

01:14:53.800 describe

01:14:54.100 it

01:14:54.220 but

01:14:54.300 got

01:14:54.440 super

01:14:54.920 liberal

01:14:55.260 the

01:14:56.060 Jesuits

01:14:56.580 the

01:14:56.860 Mary

01:14:57.020 Knowles

01:14:57.380 pretty

01:14:57.800 liberal

01:14:58.040 is

01:14:58.220 my

01:14:58.460 non

01:14:58.740 Catholic

01:14:59.100 perspective

01:14:59.660 and

01:15:00.240 then

01:15:00.380 all

01:15:00.580 of a

01:15:00.780 sudden

01:15:01.000 everywhere

01:15:01.360 you

01:15:01.600 look

01:15:02.000 people

01:15:03.180 you

01:15:03.360 know

01:15:03.540 are

01:15:03.700 converting

01:15:04.060 to

01:15:04.240 Catholic

01:15:04.560 with

01:15:05.280 pretty

01:15:05.600 kind

01:15:05.880 of

01:15:05.980 traditionally

01:15:06.400 Christian

01:15:07.040 orientation

01:15:07.900 is that

01:15:08.720 real

01:15:09.040 do you

01:15:09.280 think

01:15:09.460 yeah

01:15:09.780 I think

01:15:10.280 that's

01:15:10.420 going

01:15:10.620 on

01:15:10.840 today

01:15:11.120 you

01:15:11.360 know

01:15:11.500 we

01:15:12.260 have

01:15:12.400 to

01:15:12.500 go

01:15:12.620 back

01:15:13.000 let's

01:15:13.260 say

01:15:13.400 when

01:15:13.780 I

01:15:13.880 was

01:15:13.980 a

01:15:14.120 kid

01:15:14.340 there

01:15:14.540 was

01:15:14.760 that

01:15:14.920 liberalization

01:15:15.760 for sure

01:15:16.340 what I

01:15:16.740 was

01:15:16.840 describing

01:15:17.240 as

01:15:17.500 the

01:15:17.800 church

01:15:18.200 or

01:15:18.480 the

01:15:18.660 world

01:15:19.200 setting

01:15:19.720 the

01:15:19.900 agenda

01:15:20.220 for

01:15:20.440 the

01:15:20.580 church

01:15:20.860 that's

01:15:21.120 kind

01:15:21.300 of

01:15:21.400 a

01:15:21.520 liberal

01:15:21.780 move

01:15:22.040 a

01:15:22.700 tendency

01:15:23.160 and

01:15:23.560 this

01:15:23.800 is

01:15:23.860 how

01:15:23.940 I

01:15:24.080 would

01:15:24.240 characterize

01:15:24.780 ecclesial

01:15:25.480 liberalism

01:15:26.080 a

01:15:26.780 tendency

01:15:27.100 to

01:15:35.280 cross

01:15:35.640 resurrection

01:15:36.200 eternal

01:15:36.620 life

01:15:37.020 right

01:15:37.360 a

01:15:38.160 tendency

01:15:38.500 to

01:15:38.720 say

01:15:38.900 what

01:15:39.120 the

01:15:39.240 church

01:15:39.400 is

01:15:39.500 really

01:15:39.680 all

01:15:39.880 about

01:15:40.180 is

01:15:40.580 you

01:15:41.080 know

01:15:41.240 social

01:15:41.680 justice

01:15:42.040 and

01:15:42.420 racial

01:15:43.160 justice

01:15:43.640 and

01:15:44.000 economic

01:15:44.460 justice

01:15:44.880 and so

01:15:45.180 on

01:15:45.320 where

01:15:46.380 indeed

01:15:47.020 those

01:15:47.280 are

01:15:47.420 implications

01:15:48.040 from

01:15:48.600 our

01:15:49.280 doctrine

01:15:49.640 and

01:15:50.100 indeed

01:15:50.340 the

01:15:50.520 church

01:15:50.720 is

01:15:51.000 interested

01:15:51.340 in

01:15:51.520 transforming

01:15:51.880 the

01:15:52.060 world

01:15:52.300 true

01:15:52.780 but

01:15:53.600 the

01:15:54.060 liberal

01:15:54.300 tendency

01:15:54.660 is

01:15:54.940 to

01:15:55.120 reduce

01:15:55.620 the

01:15:55.840 supernatural

01:15:56.260 to

01:15:56.620 the

01:15:56.800 natural

01:15:57.200 that

01:15:58.000 was

01:15:58.280 going

01:15:58.520 on

01:15:58.740 for

01:15:58.880 a

01:15:59.020 long

01:15:59.180 time

01:15:59.480 yes

01:15:59.840 and

01:16:00.340 the

01:16:00.500 change

01:16:00.960 commenced

01:16:01.460 really

01:16:01.720 with

01:16:01.960 like

01:16:02.120 John

01:16:02.380 Paul

01:16:02.540 II

01:16:02.860 has

01:16:03.020 been

01:16:03.160 happening

01:16:03.500 now

01:16:03.680 for

01:16:03.860 many

01:16:04.160 decades

01:16:04.860 in

01:16:05.480 very

01:16:05.860 recent

01:16:06.260 years

01:16:06.700 to

01:16:07.160 your

01:16:07.320 point

01:16:07.620 I

01:16:07.820 think

01:16:08.040 yes

01:16:08.580 there's

01:16:09.200 been

01:16:09.340 a

01:16:09.520 keener

01:16:09.880 interest

01:16:10.400 in

01:16:10.880 the

01:16:11.980 supernatural

01:16:12.400 dimension

01:16:13.120 of

01:16:13.440 the

01:16:13.760 faith

01:16:14.080 why

01:16:14.300 would

01:16:14.480 you

01:16:14.580 go

01:16:14.720 to

01:16:14.860 church

01:16:15.240 if

01:16:15.460 it's

01:16:15.620 not

01:16:15.820 supernatural

01:16:16.300 which

01:16:17.040 is

01:16:17.160 a

01:16:17.320 darn

01:16:17.720 good

01:16:17.900 question

01:16:18.360 but

01:16:18.880 again

01:16:19.100 the

01:16:19.260 instinct

01:16:19.660 I

01:16:19.880 get

01:16:20.100 it

01:16:20.200 all

01:16:20.360 my

01:16:20.540 teachers

01:16:20.880 felt

01:16:21.420 this

01:16:21.640 way

01:16:21.780 when

01:16:21.920 I

01:16:22.000 was

01:16:22.100 a

01:16:22.220 kid

01:16:22.480 well

01:16:23.440 we

01:16:23.660 don't

01:16:23.780 want

01:16:23.900 to

01:16:23.960 be

01:16:24.080 irrelevant

01:16:24.580 the

01:16:25.200 church

01:16:25.540 is

01:16:25.680 always

01:16:26.000 about

01:16:26.200 the

01:16:26.360 world

01:16:26.700 and

01:16:26.960 we're

01:16:27.580 engaged

01:16:28.160 and

01:16:28.280 we're

01:16:28.380 not

01:16:28.540 just

01:16:28.740 running

01:16:29.640 off

01:16:29.840 to

01:16:29.980 heaven

01:16:30.300 or

01:16:30.560 pie

01:16:30.800 in

01:16:30.900 the

01:16:30.980 sky

01:16:31.160 when

01:16:31.320 you

01:16:31.420 die

01:16:31.720 they

01:16:33.000 tended

01:16:33.480 to

01:16:33.660 think

01:16:34.060 of

01:16:34.180 it

01:16:34.260 in

01:16:34.380 a

01:16:34.460 very

01:16:34.700 dualistic

01:16:35.840 way

01:16:36.160 why

01:16:37.900 why

01:16:38.480 that's

01:16:39.020 such

01:16:39.180 an

01:16:39.320 interesting

01:16:39.760 it's

01:16:40.520 kind

01:16:40.660 of

01:16:40.720 the

01:16:40.820 last

01:16:41.100 impulse

01:16:41.500 you

01:16:41.700 would

01:16:41.860 think

01:16:42.140 in

01:16:42.300 someone

01:16:42.540 who's

01:16:42.740 devoted

01:16:43.000 his

01:16:43.240 life

01:16:43.520 to

01:16:43.780 you

01:16:44.820 know

01:16:44.920 being

01:16:45.100 a

01:16:45.220 member

01:16:45.320 of

01:16:45.440 the

01:16:45.480 clergy

01:16:45.720 yeah

01:16:53.780 not

01:16:53.960 just

01:16:54.080 the

01:16:54.240 Catholics

01:16:54.500 who

01:16:54.680 did

01:16:54.800 this

01:16:55.120 totally

01:16:56.600 eliminated

01:16:57.360 mainstream

01:16:58.360 Protestantism

01:16:59.140 with

01:16:59.400 these

01:16:59.620 ideas

01:16:59.940 yes

01:17:00.240 and

01:17:00.420 we

01:17:00.620 keep

01:17:00.860 analyzing

01:17:01.780 the

01:17:01.960 thing

01:17:02.080 too

01:17:02.380 is

01:17:02.800 the

01:17:03.280 supernatural

01:17:03.820 during

01:17:04.920 the

01:17:05.100 modern

01:17:05.380 period

01:17:05.820 and

01:17:06.020 then

01:17:06.140 into

01:17:06.320 the

01:17:06.460 postmodern

01:17:06.820 period

01:17:07.240 is

01:17:08.080 subject

01:17:08.340 to

01:17:08.620 a

01:17:08.880 withering

01:17:09.320 criticism

01:17:09.820 on the

01:17:10.540 part

01:17:10.760 of

01:17:11.200 secularist

01:17:11.960 rationalist

01:17:12.640 the

01:17:13.300 scientistic

01:17:13.920 mentality

01:17:14.540 and

01:17:14.720 materialistic

01:17:15.340 mentality

01:17:15.780 so

01:17:16.440 if

01:17:16.740 you

01:17:17.040 accept

01:17:17.480 that

01:17:17.780 criticism

01:17:18.220 all

01:17:18.700 the

01:17:18.900 supernatural

01:17:19.380 mumbo

01:17:20.200 jumbo

01:17:20.540 so

01:17:20.980 what's

01:17:21.300 left

01:17:21.840 is

01:17:22.540 well

01:17:22.860 it's

01:17:23.320 you

01:17:23.780 moral

01:17:24.400 commitment

01:17:24.720 we're

01:17:24.880 good

01:17:25.060 people

01:17:25.440 the

01:17:25.760 other

01:17:25.900 thing

01:17:26.140 if

01:17:26.300 you

01:17:26.360 want

01:17:26.460 to

01:17:26.520 do

01:17:26.600 it

01:17:26.720 philosophically

01:17:27.460 the

01:17:28.440 influence

01:17:28.820 of

01:17:28.960 Immanuel

01:17:29.280 Kant

01:17:29.700 and

01:17:30.500 I might

01:17:32.160 boring

01:17:33.040 your

01:17:33.220 audience

01:17:33.460 with

01:17:33.620 this

01:17:33.760 but

01:17:33.980 Immanuel

01:17:34.840 Kant

01:17:35.180 late

01:17:35.560 18th

01:17:35.900 century

01:17:36.180 the

01:17:36.520 most

01:17:36.820 influential

01:17:37.280 of the

01:17:37.520 modern

01:17:37.740 philosophers

01:17:38.240 writes

01:17:38.900 a book

01:17:39.160 called

01:17:39.460 religion

01:17:40.000 within

01:17:40.460 the

01:17:40.740 limits

01:17:41.060 of

01:17:41.260 reason

01:17:41.560 alone

01:17:41.980 extremely

01:17:43.100 important

01:17:43.540 text

01:17:43.980 hilarious

01:17:44.920 title

01:17:45.500 yes

01:17:45.840 actually

01:17:46.360 it is

01:17:46.720 as if

01:17:47.100 you can

01:17:47.320 have

01:17:47.440 a

01:17:47.580 religion

01:17:47.920 within

01:17:48.200 the

01:17:48.400 limits

01:17:48.620 of

01:17:48.800 reason

01:17:49.180 right

01:17:49.540 but

01:17:49.700 that's

01:17:53.780 spiritual

01:17:54.020 parts

01:17:54.420 out

01:17:54.540 of

01:17:54.620 the

01:17:54.720 Bible

01:17:54.980 same

01:17:55.500 instinct

01:17:56.020 but

01:17:56.620 Kant

01:17:56.840 said

01:17:57.040 religion

01:17:57.920 is

01:17:58.200 finally

01:17:58.600 all

01:17:59.060 about

01:17:59.420 being

01:17:59.840 an

01:18:00.160 ethically

01:18:00.520 upright

01:18:00.820 person

01:18:01.240 and

01:18:01.500 so

01:18:01.780 worship

01:18:02.460 and

01:18:02.880 liturgy

01:18:03.420 and

01:18:03.700 doctrine

01:18:04.160 and

01:18:04.420 miracles

01:18:04.820 and

01:18:05.040 all

01:18:05.220 that

01:18:05.460 fine

01:18:06.400 fine

01:18:06.640 fine

01:18:06.920 if

01:18:07.240 it

01:18:07.380 leads

01:18:07.800 you

01:18:08.000 to

01:18:08.360 moral

01:18:08.920 rectitude

01:18:10.000 well

01:18:10.740 see

01:18:10.940 I

01:18:11.140 think

01:18:11.380 we

01:18:11.580 drank

01:18:12.000 deeply

01:18:12.480 from

01:18:12.740 the

01:18:12.880 wells

01:18:13.100 of

01:18:13.280 Kantianism

01:18:13.840 a lot

01:18:14.340 of

01:18:14.460 Christians

01:18:14.800 did

01:18:15.180 and

01:18:16.000 they

01:18:16.160 said

01:18:16.300 when

01:18:16.480 push

01:18:17.400 comes

01:18:17.700 to

01:18:17.900 shove

01:18:18.300 what

01:18:18.940 it's

01:18:19.120 really

01:18:19.600 all

01:18:19.860 about

01:18:20.160 is

01:18:20.400 am

01:18:20.640 I

01:18:20.800 a

01:18:21.000 dedicated

01:18:21.600 person

01:18:22.100 and

01:18:22.720 that

01:18:22.940 now

01:18:23.220 because

01:18:23.600 of

01:18:23.800 the

01:18:24.020 critique

01:18:24.720 of

01:18:24.960 sexual

01:18:25.420 morality

01:18:25.940 took

01:18:26.520 the

01:18:26.700 form

01:18:26.960 of

01:18:27.220 social

01:18:27.720 justice

01:18:28.120 morality

01:18:28.540 so

01:18:29.220 the

01:18:29.440 way

01:18:29.840 you

01:18:30.060 prove

01:18:30.480 that

01:18:30.680 you're

01:18:30.980 a

01:18:31.100 religious

01:18:31.300 person

01:18:31.700 is

01:18:31.900 not

01:18:32.160 do

01:18:32.600 I

01:18:32.720 believe

01:18:32.980 in

01:18:33.080 the

01:18:33.200 trinity

01:18:33.480 so

01:18:33.780 much

01:18:34.040 it's

01:18:34.440 am

01:18:34.960 I

01:18:35.100 committed

01:18:35.420 to

01:18:35.580 social

01:18:35.820 justice

01:18:36.240 I

01:18:36.960 think

01:18:37.180 it's

01:18:37.340 a

01:18:37.420 sort

01:18:37.540 of

01:18:37.660 popular

01:18:38.100 Kantianism

01:18:38.920 that

01:18:39.660 was

01:18:39.920 imbibed

01:18:40.480 by the

01:18:40.840 Christian

01:18:41.100 churches

01:18:41.460 very much

01:18:41.940 including

01:18:42.240 my

01:18:42.440 own

01:18:42.720 interesting

01:18:43.840 and

01:18:44.060 again

01:18:44.300 it

01:18:44.560 completely

01:18:45.260 destroyed

01:18:45.800 American

01:18:46.260 Protestantism

01:18:46.960 yes

01:18:47.320 quite

01:18:48.280 right

01:18:48.640 I

01:18:48.840 completely

01:18:49.460 agree

01:18:49.700 with

01:18:49.860 that

01:18:50.020 and

01:18:50.200 we

01:18:50.580 see

01:18:50.860 the

01:18:51.060 it's

01:18:51.780 it's

01:18:52.080 heartbreaking

01:18:52.640 really

01:18:52.960 we see

01:18:53.240 the ruins

01:18:53.840 of

01:18:54.080 Christian

01:18:54.500 churches

01:18:54.820 because

01:18:55.160 of

01:18:55.440 that

01:18:55.600 Kantian

01:18:56.020 move

01:18:56.340 literally

01:18:56.740 the

01:18:56.980 ruins

01:18:57.200 the

01:18:57.860 physical

01:18:58.320 ruins

01:18:58.840 the roof

01:18:59.680 has fallen

01:19:00.040 in

01:19:00.200 no one's

01:19:00.480 going

01:19:00.780 yes

01:19:01.420 because

01:19:01.780 again

01:19:02.000 to your

01:19:02.320 point

01:19:02.580 why

01:19:02.880 would

01:19:03.080 they

01:19:03.240 bother

01:19:03.580 if

01:19:03.960 you're

01:19:04.520 you know

01:19:04.840 your

01:19:05.060 dedicated

01:19:05.540 political

01:19:06.000 person

01:19:06.400 and your

01:19:06.680 political

01:19:06.960 party

01:19:07.320 is focused

01:19:07.860 on these

01:19:08.280 things

01:19:08.520 too

01:19:08.740 why

01:19:09.220 would

01:19:09.400 you

01:19:09.480 need

01:19:09.600 to

01:19:09.680 go

01:19:09.760 to

01:19:09.860 church

01:19:10.180 to

01:19:10.700 talk

01:19:10.920 about

01:19:11.160 it

01:19:11.420 you know

01:19:11.780 it

01:19:13.480 was a

01:19:14.080 disaster

01:19:14.540 of the

01:19:14.860 last

01:19:15.060 about

01:19:15.260 50

01:19:15.540 years

01:19:15.920 in

01:19:16.140 the

01:19:16.480 Christian

01:19:16.760 churches

01:19:17.180 and

01:19:17.900 do

01:19:18.840 you

01:19:18.980 feel

01:19:19.380 like

01:19:19.780 that's

01:19:20.900 changing

01:19:21.280 in the

01:19:21.840 Catholic

01:19:22.020 church

01:19:22.340 yes

01:19:23.140 no I

01:19:23.620 do

01:19:24.160 I

01:19:24.440 do

01:19:24.620 see

01:19:24.960 the

01:19:25.280 supernatural

01:19:25.700 has a

01:19:26.560 way

01:19:26.860 of

01:19:27.220 reasserting

01:19:27.880 itself

01:19:28.240 that

01:19:28.520 being

01:19:29.460 supernatural

01:19:30.140 yes

01:19:30.540 it's

01:19:31.160 death

01:19:31.460 has been

01:19:31.820 predicted

01:19:32.120 so many

01:19:32.560 times

01:19:33.040 in so

01:19:33.360 many

01:19:33.480 different

01:19:33.740 circles

01:19:34.260 enlightenment

01:19:35.600 most famously

01:19:36.340 but look

01:19:36.720 the

01:19:36.860 enlightenment

01:19:37.120 was a

01:19:37.500 long

01:19:37.880 time

01:19:38.140 ago

01:19:38.420 and

01:19:38.860 religion

01:19:39.240 is still

01:19:39.620 around

01:19:40.020 I

01:19:41.880 have an

01:19:42.120 internet

01:19:42.340 ministry

01:19:42.760 and I

01:19:43.060 used to

01:19:43.960 do it

01:19:44.080 more

01:19:44.280 I go

01:19:44.780 in the

01:19:45.000 comment

01:19:45.280 sections

01:19:45.740 and respond

01:19:46.300 to people

01:19:46.700 but you

01:19:47.280 still hear

01:19:47.840 it

01:19:47.980 you know

01:19:48.740 religion

01:19:49.220 it's

01:19:49.840 days

01:19:50.380 are

01:19:50.580 numbered

01:19:50.880 I

01:19:51.040 think

01:19:51.180 oh

01:19:51.420 buddy

01:19:51.800 they've

01:19:52.160 been

01:19:52.260 saying

01:19:52.500 that

01:19:52.700 for

01:19:52.980 like

01:19:53.320 hundreds

01:19:53.860 of

01:19:54.100 years

01:19:54.420 and it's

01:19:55.100 not

01:19:55.300 it works

01:19:55.620 out

01:19:55.900 but it's

01:19:56.900 still

01:19:57.060 this

01:19:57.300 prejudice

01:19:58.060 that somehow

01:19:58.900 science

01:19:59.960 and we're

01:20:01.080 going to

01:20:01.300 knock

01:20:01.560 religion

01:20:01.920 out

01:20:02.240 religion

01:20:03.080 keeps

01:20:03.400 reasserting

01:20:03.940 itself

01:20:04.340 for all

01:20:05.000 the reasons

01:20:05.400 we were

01:20:05.680 saying

01:20:05.900 in the

01:20:06.120 first

01:20:06.280 part

01:20:06.460 of our

01:20:06.640 conversation

01:20:07.100 because

01:20:07.560 all those

01:20:08.240 spiritual

01:20:08.720 and metaphysical

01:20:09.820 truths

01:20:10.320 they don't

01:20:11.020 go away

01:20:11.700 we can

01:20:12.460 hope they

01:20:13.760 go away

01:20:14.140 or pretend

01:20:14.520 they go

01:20:14.820 away

01:20:14.980 but they

01:20:15.280 don't

01:20:15.600 go away

01:20:16.080 they reassert

01:20:17.100 themselves

01:20:17.440 and the

01:20:18.480 deepest

01:20:18.720 reason is

01:20:19.180 we're made

01:20:19.580 in the

01:20:19.780 image and

01:20:20.120 likeness

01:20:20.360 of God

01:20:20.880 so there's

01:20:22.020 a hunger

01:20:22.420 in us

01:20:22.820 for God

01:20:23.360 and so

01:20:24.720 that's why

01:20:25.120 it's

01:20:25.320 reasserting

01:20:25.740 itself

01:20:26.000 even now

01:20:26.560 you often

01:20:28.480 hear

01:20:28.840 and it's

01:20:29.320 accepted

01:20:29.660 uncritically

01:20:30.220 or was

01:20:30.580 when I

01:20:30.780 was a

01:20:30.980 kid

01:20:31.100 anyway

01:20:31.380 that

01:20:31.640 religion

01:20:32.220 Christianity

01:20:33.420 leads to

01:20:34.800 violence

01:20:35.280 right

01:20:36.040 you know

01:20:36.520 and that

01:20:36.760 that was

01:20:37.180 really the

01:20:37.560 driver

01:20:37.820 I mean

01:20:38.060 Hitchens

01:20:38.340 who I

01:20:38.640 knew

01:20:38.740 well

01:20:38.960 that

01:20:39.140 that was

01:20:39.440 his

01:20:39.600 main

01:20:39.760 argument

01:20:40.220 people

01:20:40.580 get

01:20:40.920 you know

01:20:41.920 inflexible

01:20:42.700 when they

01:20:43.040 believe in

01:20:43.680 the supernatural

01:20:44.860 and they have

01:20:45.420 to kill

01:20:45.780 anyone who

01:20:46.240 disagrees

01:20:47.120 but does

01:20:48.220 the

01:20:48.520 historical

01:20:49.120 record

01:20:49.500 support

01:20:50.120 that

01:20:50.480 claim

01:20:50.760 no

01:20:51.180 and of course

01:20:51.720 that's a

01:20:52.040 great

01:20:52.300 myth

01:20:52.740 there was a

01:20:53.600 book done

01:20:53.960 some years

01:20:54.340 ago

01:20:54.500 I've got

01:20:54.740 the title

01:20:55.060 of it

01:20:55.220 now

01:20:55.360 but a

01:20:55.700 guy

01:20:55.860 that did

01:20:56.100 a very

01:20:56.320 careful

01:20:56.840 study

01:20:57.340 of all

01:20:57.840 the great

01:20:58.300 wars

01:20:58.740 going back

01:20:59.500 a couple

01:21:00.000 thousand years

01:21:00.700 and the

01:21:01.340 conclusion

01:21:01.800 was something

01:21:02.120 like 8%

01:21:03.380 could be traced

01:21:04.200 to a religious

01:21:04.820 cause

01:21:05.380 but that's

01:21:06.180 part of

01:21:06.600 enlightenment

01:21:07.060 historiography

01:21:07.900 it's one

01:21:08.660 of the

01:21:08.900 myths

01:21:09.180 of enlightenment

01:21:10.240 historiography

01:21:10.880 that religion

01:21:11.560 is the

01:21:12.000 problem

01:21:12.320 and see

01:21:13.140 it's the

01:21:13.660 origin myth

01:21:14.800 of modernity

01:21:15.700 modernity

01:21:16.600 emerged

01:21:17.140 out of the

01:21:17.780 myths

01:21:18.240 of a

01:21:18.900 superstitious

01:21:19.820 religion

01:21:20.260 and out

01:21:20.980 of a

01:21:21.380 primitive

01:21:21.960 pre-science

01:21:24.240 let's say

01:21:24.640 and so

01:21:25.440 we have

01:21:26.160 to

01:21:26.300 regularly

01:21:26.680 bring out

01:21:27.340 these sort

01:21:27.700 of

01:21:27.800 boogeymen

01:21:28.340 to knock

01:21:29.260 down

01:21:29.560 again

01:21:29.800 like

01:21:30.040 religion

01:21:30.840 bad

01:21:31.460 superstition

01:21:32.920 bad

01:21:33.400 and look

01:21:34.480 at now

01:21:34.840 this

01:21:35.060 enlightenment

01:21:35.560 reason

01:21:36.060 enlightenment

01:21:36.560 but no

01:21:38.540 that's all

01:21:39.280 simplistic

01:21:40.680 you know

01:21:41.320 and it

01:21:43.500 betrays a

01:21:44.420 deep lack

01:21:45.520 of appreciation

01:21:46.160 for the

01:21:46.520 intellectual

01:21:46.880 tradition

01:21:47.280 within

01:21:47.620 the

01:21:48.140 religious

01:21:48.460 sphere

01:21:49.400 but that's

01:21:50.760 part of

01:21:51.120 the way

01:21:51.720 they've

01:21:52.100 told the

01:21:52.440 story

01:21:52.800 and of

01:21:54.920 course

01:21:55.020 may I

01:21:55.240 say too

01:21:55.500 about

01:21:55.660 violence

01:21:56.060 I always

01:21:56.960 have to

01:21:57.500 smile

01:21:57.880 when people

01:21:58.240 oh religion

01:21:58.880 is a source

01:21:59.420 of violence

01:21:59.860 give me a

01:22:00.500 break

01:22:00.760 look at the

01:22:01.260 20th century

01:22:01.880 I mean the

01:22:02.700 corpses

01:22:03.540 piled up in

01:22:04.340 the 20th

01:22:04.660 century and

01:22:05.040 it was not

01:22:05.640 religion that

01:22:06.460 did it

01:22:06.760 it was deeply

01:22:07.800 anti-religious

01:22:08.660 ideologies

01:22:09.260 murdering

01:22:09.980 religious

01:22:10.300 people

01:22:10.540 I mean I'll

01:22:11.300 take lectures

01:22:11.840 on violence

01:22:12.320 from many

01:22:12.640 people but

01:22:13.080 not from

01:22:13.660 the avatars

01:22:14.700 of modern

01:22:15.340 secularism

01:22:16.060 and sure

01:22:18.020 there's

01:22:18.340 distortions

01:22:18.960 of religion

01:22:19.440 and bad

01:22:20.320 religious

01:22:20.640 people that

01:22:21.160 did things

01:22:21.560 in its

01:22:21.840 name

01:22:22.140 but you

01:22:22.940 can't talk

01:22:23.680 about the

01:22:24.060 risen Jesus

01:22:24.720 still bearing

01:22:25.820 his wounds

01:22:26.500 and with the

01:22:27.000 word of

01:22:27.320 shalom on

01:22:28.040 his lips

01:22:28.500 and say

01:22:29.120 that's a

01:22:29.460 religion of

01:22:29.920 violence

01:22:30.380 it's a

01:22:31.160 religion that

01:22:31.660 shows God

01:22:32.680 absorbing the

01:22:34.280 violence of

01:22:34.820 the world

01:22:35.220 Jordan Peterson

01:22:37.620 I think made

01:22:38.180 a very

01:22:38.820 important

01:22:39.880 observation

01:22:40.320 about the

01:22:40.660 cross

01:22:40.980 when he

01:22:41.940 said

01:22:42.260 there's no

01:22:43.200 other story

01:22:43.860 you couldn't

01:22:44.360 imagine a

01:22:44.860 story

01:22:45.120 that shows

01:22:46.500 more of

01:22:47.340 human

01:22:47.660 degradation

01:22:48.240 than the

01:22:48.660 cross of

01:22:49.040 Jesus

01:22:49.220 physical

01:22:50.820 suffering

01:22:51.540 psychological

01:22:52.020 suffering

01:22:53.000 death

01:22:53.560 itself

01:22:54.080 the

01:22:54.280 abandonment

01:22:54.860 by your

01:22:55.180 friends

01:22:55.520 betrayal

01:22:56.140 denial

01:22:56.940 institutional

01:22:57.740 injustice

01:22:58.420 it's all

01:22:59.860 there

01:23:00.320 as I said

01:23:00.760 earlier

01:23:00.980 this 30

01:23:01.460 year old

01:23:01.720 man dying

01:23:02.340 naked on

01:23:02.860 this instrument

01:23:03.300 of torture

01:23:03.780 well there

01:23:05.000 it is

01:23:05.540 you know

01:23:05.960 there's the

01:23:06.840 totality of

01:23:07.920 human

01:23:08.360 dysfunction

01:23:08.800 and God's

01:23:10.440 response to

01:23:10.960 that is

01:23:12.340 not to

01:23:12.740 more violence

01:23:14.360 it's to

01:23:14.820 respond with

01:23:15.420 forgiving

01:23:15.860 love

01:23:16.320 that's

01:23:17.200 Christianity

01:23:17.820 now the

01:23:18.720 distortions of

01:23:19.560 it are

01:23:20.140 everywhere

01:23:20.660 but that's

01:23:21.960 Christianity

01:23:22.540 it's not a

01:23:23.100 religion of

01:23:23.460 violence

01:23:23.720 it's so

01:23:24.300 non-obvious

01:23:25.240 it's so

01:23:25.760 preposterous

01:23:26.700 and crazy

01:23:27.720 that the

01:23:28.160 fact that

01:23:28.460 that became

01:23:28.900 the world's

01:23:30.000 most popular

01:23:31.180 religion

01:23:31.660 tells you

01:23:32.160 it's true

01:23:32.660 yes

01:23:33.260 who could

01:23:34.560 make that

01:23:35.120 up

01:23:35.500 yes

01:23:36.120 it's so

01:23:36.560 unappealing

01:23:37.260 like your

01:23:37.800 god got

01:23:38.500 tortured to

01:23:39.520 death and

01:23:39.940 didn't fight

01:23:40.460 back

01:23:40.880 absolutely

01:23:41.800 it's the

01:23:42.580 weird

01:23:42.840 I wrote a

01:23:43.800 little book

01:23:44.160 years ago

01:23:44.480 called

01:23:44.700 The Strangest

01:23:45.380 Way

01:23:45.740 The Strangest

01:23:47.080 Way

01:23:47.340 and it's a

01:23:47.760 book about

01:23:48.080 Christianity

01:23:48.520 because that's

01:23:49.200 the argument

01:23:49.700 I made

01:23:50.060 was this is

01:23:50.520 the weirdest

01:23:51.060 religious

01:23:51.920 ever

01:23:52.180 ever

01:23:52.700 because

01:23:53.140 again when I

01:23:53.860 was coming

01:23:54.140 of age

01:23:54.460 it was very

01:23:54.820 much all

01:23:55.340 religions

01:23:55.740 you know

01:23:55.980 they're kind

01:23:56.200 of the same

01:23:56.620 and we all

01:23:57.180 climb the

01:23:57.580 holy mountain

01:23:57.940 by different

01:23:58.500 paths

01:23:58.980 no I

01:24:00.580 completely

01:24:01.080 repudiate

01:24:01.620 that

01:24:01.940 I'm with

01:24:04.340 Tom Holland

01:24:04.980 you know

01:24:05.280 not

01:24:05.500 Spider-Man

01:24:06.160 but the

01:24:06.540 popular historian

01:24:07.660 Tom Holland

01:24:08.340 do you know

01:24:09.160 it's a book

01:24:09.580 called Dominion

01:24:10.260 wonderful

01:24:10.700 oh I read

01:24:11.580 Dominion

01:24:11.960 yeah yeah

01:24:12.400 but that's

01:24:13.440 his argument

01:24:13.980 is things

01:24:15.000 that we just

01:24:15.560 think are

01:24:15.920 oh that's

01:24:16.220 just part

01:24:16.740 of the way

01:24:17.120 things are

01:24:17.660 no they're

01:24:18.120 not

01:24:18.240 it's

01:24:18.740 Christianity

01:24:19.460 bequeathed

01:24:20.200 that's a great

01:24:20.400 book

01:24:20.640 it's a great

01:24:20.920 book

01:24:21.120 yeah

01:24:21.280 yes

01:24:21.600 Christianity

01:24:23.040 bequeathed

01:24:23.840 to the

01:24:24.120 West

01:24:24.500 these deeply

01:24:25.620 weird ideas

01:24:26.360 like

01:24:26.700 we're all

01:24:27.600 equal

01:24:27.960 we're all

01:24:28.760 subjects of

01:24:30.000 dignity

01:24:30.340 that you should

01:24:31.340 care for

01:24:31.880 the poor

01:24:32.740 and the

01:24:33.140 marginalized

01:24:33.680 they didn't

01:24:34.820 just come up

01:24:35.360 out of

01:24:35.580 enlightenment

01:24:35.960 rationalism

01:24:36.680 they came up

01:24:37.280 out of

01:24:37.560 Christianity

01:24:38.200 that weakness

01:24:39.100 is something

01:24:39.620 we should

01:24:39.940 celebrate

01:24:40.640 I mean

01:24:40.980 not to talk

01:24:41.600 about

01:24:41.900 counterintuitive

01:24:42.920 and you say

01:24:43.400 okay God

01:24:44.000 give me an image

01:24:44.940 of your God

01:24:45.620 mighty

01:24:46.140 kings

01:24:46.900 there's our

01:24:48.920 image of God

01:24:49.580 is that

01:24:50.440 30 year old

01:24:51.340 rabbi

01:24:51.820 on the cross

01:24:52.920 whose

01:24:53.480 closest friends

01:24:55.060 didn't really

01:24:55.640 believe in him

01:24:56.240 close friends

01:24:56.620 ran away

01:24:57.100 you know

01:24:57.740 it's like

01:24:58.120 the most

01:24:58.620 pathetic story

01:24:59.480 you can imagine

01:25:00.100 and we say

01:25:01.140 that's the

01:25:01.740 manifestation

01:25:02.140 of God

01:25:02.180 if you were

01:25:02.460 making it up

01:25:03.060 he would

01:25:03.280 hide all

01:25:03.760 that

01:25:04.060 of course

01:25:04.600 of course

01:25:05.060 no

01:25:05.240 it's the

01:25:06.060 last story

01:25:06.520 in the world

01:25:07.180 you dream

01:25:07.780 of making

01:25:08.200 up

01:25:08.500 it's the

01:25:09.260 opposite

01:25:09.660 of the

01:25:09.940 story

01:25:10.140 you'd

01:25:10.420 make up

01:25:10.860 the gospels

01:25:12.620 are all

01:25:12.860 like that

01:25:13.300 they're

01:25:13.700 they're

01:25:14.060 strange

01:25:14.920 and weird

01:25:15.420 and wonderful

01:25:16.200 so it

01:25:17.580 does seem

01:25:18.180 like you

01:25:18.560 were saying

01:25:18.940 that Kant

01:25:19.520 was the

01:25:20.580 root of

01:25:21.320 the ideas

01:25:21.880 that led

01:25:22.220 to the

01:25:22.460 French

01:25:22.660 revolution

01:25:23.120 and Auschwitz

01:25:24.260 and like

01:25:24.640 you know

01:25:24.860 every

01:25:25.060 and I

01:25:25.980 agree with

01:25:26.280 you

01:25:26.380 but the

01:25:27.680 Kant

01:25:28.400 sort of

01:25:29.600 began writing

01:25:30.540 at the

01:25:31.020 beginning

01:25:31.440 of the

01:25:31.960 of a

01:25:32.880 technological

01:25:33.240 revolution

01:25:33.780 yeah

01:25:34.260 and as

01:25:35.620 technology

01:25:36.400 advanced

01:25:37.240 first

01:25:38.580 incrementally

01:25:39.020 then exponentially

01:25:39.720 and now

01:25:40.180 we're on

01:25:40.380 the verge

01:25:40.740 of like

01:25:41.500 singularity

01:25:41.980 with AI

01:25:42.360 those ideas

01:25:44.440 became stronger

01:25:45.540 and more

01:25:45.860 dominant

01:25:46.300 so there's

01:25:47.180 a connection

01:25:47.620 between

01:25:48.040 technology

01:25:48.840 and the

01:25:50.260 belief that

01:25:50.760 man is

01:25:51.140 God

01:25:51.520 and all

01:25:52.000 the

01:25:52.120 suffering

01:25:52.440 it

01:25:52.620 results

01:25:52.960 oh they

01:25:53.620 became

01:25:53.860 very

01:25:54.080 dangerous

01:25:54.460 so technology

01:25:55.380 is not

01:25:55.640 bad in

01:25:55.940 itself

01:25:56.240 but when

01:25:56.580 you couple

01:25:57.000 technology

01:25:57.560 with a

01:25:58.260 sheer

01:25:58.560 celebration

01:25:59.100 of autonomy

01:25:59.660 or a

01:26:00.520 bracketing

01:26:00.900 of God

01:26:01.400 I don't

01:26:01.920 blame poor

01:26:02.680 Kant for

01:26:03.080 that I mean

01:26:03.360 Kant had a

01:26:03.840 very vivid

01:26:04.380 sense of God

01:26:05.020 as a moral

01:26:05.620 guide

01:26:06.800 but you

01:26:08.460 do indeed

01:26:08.960 with someone

01:26:09.340 like Nietzsche

01:26:09.880 you know

01:26:10.420 you get to

01:26:10.900 a sense

01:26:11.240 of

01:26:11.500 Uber

01:26:12.280 and it's

01:26:13.200 just

01:26:13.340 it's human

01:26:13.800 autonomy

01:26:14.260 expressing itself

01:26:15.020 and it's

01:26:15.540 that's a

01:26:15.920 very dangerous

01:26:16.720 combination

01:26:17.180 and you

01:26:17.600 bring high

01:26:18.100 technology

01:26:18.620 into that

01:26:19.100 and you

01:26:19.840 don't

01:26:20.400 anchor it

01:26:21.920 in something

01:26:22.460 of spiritual

01:26:23.240 moral

01:26:23.780 welcome to

01:26:25.660 the 20th

01:26:26.060 century

01:26:26.340 but the

01:26:27.300 21st

01:26:27.820 century

01:26:28.180 sees a

01:26:28.700 continuation

01:26:29.160 of those

01:26:29.880 trends

01:26:30.260 like in a

01:26:30.820 way that

01:26:31.100 you couldn't

01:26:31.420 even imagine

01:26:31.920 15 years

01:26:32.580 ago or 25

01:26:33.280 years ago

01:26:33.820 at the end

01:26:34.100 of the last

01:26:34.460 century

01:26:34.820 so like

01:26:35.360 where are

01:26:35.780 we going

01:26:36.220 I don't

01:26:36.660 know

01:26:36.820 that's the

01:26:37.220 whole AI

01:26:37.720 thing

01:26:38.060 which you

01:26:38.440 know

01:26:38.560 I kind

01:26:39.340 of half

01:26:39.560 understand

01:26:39.900 but it

01:26:40.220 always makes

01:26:40.620 me nervous

01:26:41.040 when I think

01:26:41.460 about it

01:26:41.740 and I see

01:26:42.220 you know

01:26:42.740 instances of

01:26:43.560 it

01:26:43.700 chat GPT

01:26:44.480 and all

01:26:44.700 that

01:26:44.920 and it's

01:26:45.500 kind of

01:26:45.720 amazing

01:26:46.120 like most

01:26:46.540 technology

01:26:47.080 breaks through

01:26:47.620 like oh my

01:26:48.240 gosh that guy

01:26:48.660 can actually

01:26:49.080 compose a

01:26:49.740 novel in you

01:26:50.700 know a minute

01:26:51.840 or whatever it

01:26:52.380 is but it's

01:26:53.560 it's frightening

01:26:54.140 because it's got

01:26:54.860 to be grounded

01:26:55.800 in a moral

01:26:56.420 vision it has

01:26:57.320 to be or it

01:26:57.940 will become a

01:26:58.880 Frankenstein's

01:26:59.420 monster I mean

01:27:00.640 she saw that by

01:27:01.380 the way it's

01:27:01.660 very interesting

01:27:01.960 about Mary Shelley

01:27:02.580 I mean she saw

01:27:03.500 that coming

01:27:04.180 she saw exactly

01:27:05.500 what will happen

01:27:06.080 when we become

01:27:06.860 God we decide

01:27:08.300 to dictate

01:27:09.820 terms to

01:27:10.540 reality it'll

01:27:11.560 turn on us

01:27:12.260 and wreck us

01:27:13.320 I mean that's

01:27:14.140 a very

01:27:14.560 prescient novel

01:27:15.740 yeah it feels

01:27:16.680 Tower of Babel-y

01:27:17.680 a little bit

01:27:18.460 yeah absolutely

01:27:19.080 although the

01:27:19.540 Bible knew all

01:27:20.220 about it

01:27:20.740 yes so where

01:27:22.080 how does

01:27:22.700 how does the

01:27:23.820 the individual

01:27:24.580 respond to this

01:27:25.520 well

01:27:26.600 yeah I mean

01:27:28.100 I would say

01:27:28.740 that keep

01:27:29.480 the the awakening

01:27:31.360 of the moral

01:27:32.160 sensibility

01:27:33.080 and and a

01:27:34.120 groundings of

01:27:34.680 your life

01:27:35.020 and God

01:27:35.540 you're not

01:27:36.720 the center

01:27:37.940 of the universe

01:27:38.500 the de-centering

01:27:39.820 of the ego

01:27:40.360 I mean all

01:27:40.840 those spiritual

01:27:41.380 practices

01:27:41.940 would be

01:27:43.060 essential to

01:27:43.820 a rightly

01:27:44.820 ordered world

01:27:45.580 but yeah we

01:27:46.560 have a dangerous

01:27:47.180 weapon in front

01:27:48.320 of us

01:27:48.640 and that's

01:27:50.280 what the churches

01:27:50.960 can't cede

01:27:52.720 the ground

01:27:53.480 I mean c-e-d-e

01:27:54.600 the ground

01:27:55.000 we can't

01:27:55.900 withdraw out of

01:27:56.620 the sidelines

01:27:57.160 the churches

01:27:57.600 have got to be

01:27:58.220 front and center

01:27:59.040 in shaping the

01:28:00.460 consciousness of

01:28:01.280 our people

01:28:02.640 see in the

01:28:04.540 measure that we

01:28:04.980 become just a

01:28:05.880 faint echo of

01:28:06.860 the culture

01:28:07.220 that's very

01:28:07.900 dangerous

01:28:08.360 because the

01:28:09.380 very weirdness

01:28:10.260 of Christianity

01:28:10.860 that we were

01:28:11.580 talking about

01:28:12.140 that's got to

01:28:13.000 be front and

01:28:13.440 center

01:28:13.660 it's got to

01:28:14.300 be front and

01:28:14.800 center

01:28:15.040 see when I

01:28:16.500 was coming

01:28:16.760 of age

01:28:17.100 the churches

01:28:17.940 were made

01:28:18.780 to look like

01:28:19.520 they're just

01:28:19.840 blending into

01:28:20.460 the suburban

01:28:20.940 environment

01:28:21.520 that's a

01:28:22.920 that's the

01:28:23.940 emblematic of

01:28:24.680 the time

01:28:25.200 make the

01:28:26.340 church just

01:28:26.760 so you

01:28:27.040 barely see

01:28:27.780 it

01:28:28.040 the medieval

01:28:29.280 cathedrals

01:28:29.840 looked like

01:28:31.960 Tibetan

01:28:32.640 temples

01:28:33.340 they were

01:28:34.040 wildly colored

01:28:35.680 and rising up

01:28:36.760 like monsters

01:28:37.920 from the

01:28:38.400 but that

01:28:39.060 that's

01:28:39.420 because they

01:28:39.700 were speaking

01:28:40.100 of another

01:28:40.380 world

01:28:40.780 and you

01:28:41.060 go through

01:28:41.440 the door

01:28:41.800 it's not

01:28:42.620 like you're

01:28:42.900 entering a

01:28:43.320 bank

01:28:43.680 which is the

01:28:44.000 way a lot

01:28:44.260 of our

01:28:44.440 churches feel

01:28:44.880 now

01:28:45.140 like you're

01:28:46.000 entering another

01:28:46.720 world

01:28:47.560 that to me

01:28:49.720 is emblematic

01:28:50.360 of what the

01:28:50.700 churches should

01:28:51.280 be like today

01:28:52.320 on the scene

01:28:53.060 we've got to

01:28:55.120 be a very

01:28:55.700 strong presence

01:28:56.480 but the stronger

01:28:58.060 the presence

01:28:59.100 of Christianity

01:29:00.460 the more

01:29:02.540 vehement

01:29:02.880 the persecution

01:29:03.740 right

01:29:04.400 yes and see

01:29:05.220 they know

01:29:06.180 at some level

01:29:06.720 I say they

01:29:07.420 I mean the

01:29:07.980 the enemies

01:29:08.520 of the church

01:29:09.100 they know

01:29:09.740 in some way

01:29:10.540 we are the

01:29:12.300 enemy that

01:29:12.780 matters

01:29:13.240 yes I totally

01:29:14.280 we're the enemy

01:29:14.740 that matters

01:29:15.220 and that's why

01:29:15.940 they go after us

01:29:16.860 that's how they

01:29:17.480 convinced me

01:29:17.940 it was real

01:29:18.480 I mean because

01:29:19.220 I spent my

01:29:19.780 whole life

01:29:20.080 watching what

01:29:21.640 the enemies

01:29:22.060 of civilization

01:29:22.640 do that's like

01:29:23.560 my job

01:29:24.100 and the thing

01:29:25.200 that triggers

01:29:25.680 them most of

01:29:26.420 all is Jesus

01:29:27.360 like there's

01:29:28.180 nothing that

01:29:28.580 comes close

01:29:29.040 and I think

01:29:29.360 the whole point

01:29:29.760 of the trans

01:29:30.200 thing was just

01:29:30.760 to like figure

01:29:31.360 out who

01:29:31.740 believes in

01:29:32.180 Jesus and

01:29:32.600 who doesn't

01:29:33.080 that's my

01:29:34.060 personal view

01:29:34.620 but whatever

01:29:35.460 no we're the

01:29:36.580 enemy

01:29:36.900 and that's

01:29:37.540 true

01:29:37.860 and they

01:29:38.780 know it

01:29:39.240 they intuit

01:29:39.920 that

01:29:40.320 but see

01:29:41.260 the gates

01:29:41.760 of hell

01:29:42.000 will not

01:29:42.280 prevail against

01:29:42.900 us

01:29:43.240 so we

01:29:43.980 we should

01:29:44.420 go forth

01:29:45.060 with

01:29:45.420 panache

01:29:46.680 and with

01:29:46.920 confidence

01:29:47.440 panache

01:29:48.320 you know what I mean

01:29:49.180 you're the only

01:29:49.980 person in America

01:29:50.720 who's used that

01:29:51.240 word today

01:29:51.740 and I love it

01:29:52.440 a forgotten

01:29:52.840 word

01:29:53.120 but how does

01:29:54.620 the individual

01:29:55.240 believer

01:29:55.840 respond

01:29:56.440 to persecution

01:29:57.420 well it depends

01:29:59.160 where you are

01:29:59.620 I mean there's

01:30:00.100 some I know

01:30:00.620 these believers

01:30:01.200 in Nigeria

01:30:01.780 who are under

01:30:02.440 very direct

01:30:03.480 persecution

01:30:04.040 and they've

01:30:05.420 responded I think

01:30:06.100 beautifully by

01:30:06.760 94% of them

01:30:08.660 coming to mass

01:30:09.360 every Sunday

01:30:09.900 that's an act

01:30:10.460 of resistance

01:30:11.340 persecution if you

01:30:12.040 could just put a

01:30:12.940 finer point on it

01:30:13.600 by which you mean

01:30:14.160 like denial of

01:30:14.860 federal contracts

01:30:15.620 no I mean

01:30:16.280 threat to your

01:30:18.180 life and limbs

01:30:18.940 like beheading

01:30:19.560 yeah

01:30:19.740 there are people

01:30:20.280 being killed

01:30:20.860 all over the

01:30:21.780 world for their

01:30:22.340 Christianity today

01:30:23.280 in our country

01:30:24.200 of course it takes

01:30:24.760 a subtler form

01:30:25.780 and you know

01:30:26.960 we're being

01:30:27.280 persecuted

01:30:27.740 institutionally in

01:30:28.960 different ways

01:30:29.460 and they're trying

01:30:30.260 to get us off

01:30:31.500 the stage

01:30:31.880 I was a bishop

01:30:32.500 for six years

01:30:33.100 in California

01:30:33.760 auxiliary of LA

01:30:35.180 and there's no

01:30:36.600 question the

01:30:37.200 government wanted

01:30:37.780 us out of

01:30:38.820 health care

01:30:39.460 they want us

01:30:39.980 out of education

01:30:41.060 they want us

01:30:42.060 off the public

01:30:42.860 stage

01:30:43.360 and you know

01:30:44.460 in using all

01:30:46.480 kinds of different

01:30:47.020 strategies

01:30:47.500 and we

01:30:48.900 you know

01:30:49.600 we resisted it

01:30:50.520 successfully in

01:30:51.560 some cases

01:30:52.100 not so much

01:30:52.760 in others

01:30:53.120 but they

01:30:54.240 definitely want

01:30:54.720 us off the

01:30:55.080 stage because

01:30:55.420 we are the

01:30:55.980 principal enemy

01:30:56.680 so they didn't

01:30:58.540 want you healing

01:30:59.180 the sick or

01:30:59.700 educating the kids

01:31:00.500 for free

01:31:01.180 they don't

01:31:02.100 for free

01:31:02.960 no because

01:31:03.460 there's a

01:31:03.800 as you

01:31:04.240 just were

01:31:05.160 suggesting

01:31:05.560 there's an

01:31:05.900 ideology in

01:31:06.660 place that

01:31:07.260 they want

01:31:07.680 all the kids

01:31:08.240 to subscribe

01:31:08.700 to and

01:31:09.420 and we

01:31:09.840 stand to

01:31:10.280 thwart that

01:31:10.660 we have a

01:31:11.020 different

01:31:11.360 anthropology

01:31:12.460 and they

01:31:14.100 want hospitals

01:31:14.900 where you

01:31:15.280 know abortion

01:31:15.780 and euthanasia

01:31:16.480 and all that

01:31:16.940 and where

01:31:17.300 gender surgery

01:31:18.460 is being done

01:31:19.200 and the church

01:31:20.000 has to stand

01:31:20.620 against that

01:31:21.200 and

01:31:21.580 what's wrong

01:31:21.960 with euthanasia

01:31:22.660 whether you

01:31:24.740 live or you

01:31:25.220 die you're

01:31:25.680 the Lord's

01:31:26.320 my life

01:31:27.700 doesn't belong

01:31:28.220 to me

01:31:28.760 and it's

01:31:30.040 not a matter

01:31:30.400 of my

01:31:30.920 autonomy

01:31:31.380 deciding

01:31:32.000 oh now

01:31:32.320 it's time

01:31:32.680 for me

01:31:32.920 to get

01:31:33.160 off the

01:31:33.480 stage

01:31:33.800 that belongs

01:31:35.260 to God

01:31:35.760 you know

01:31:36.380 so it's

01:31:37.440 another expression

01:31:38.040 of the

01:31:39.300 deification of

01:31:39.960 the autonomous

01:31:40.400 will

01:31:40.840 is I

01:31:41.780 determine

01:31:42.200 you know

01:31:42.720 how I

01:31:43.140 live

01:31:43.440 how long

01:31:43.880 I live

01:31:44.360 and all

01:31:44.720 that

01:31:44.920 and the

01:31:45.280 church

01:31:45.440 says no

01:31:45.760 no you

01:31:46.040 belong

01:31:46.580 to God

01:31:47.400 that's

01:31:51.620 going to

01:31:51.820 be a

01:31:52.100 battle

01:31:52.380 that

01:31:52.880 you know

01:31:53.640 we're all

01:31:53.980 going to

01:31:54.140 be fighting

01:31:54.580 or witness

01:31:55.500 to soon

01:31:56.180 right

01:31:56.680 before we

01:31:57.060 fought in

01:31:57.460 California

01:31:57.960 and it's

01:31:58.480 in so many

01:31:59.000 states

01:31:59.400 you know

01:31:59.720 euthanasia

01:32:00.440 I think

01:32:01.580 it's a

01:32:01.900 very demonic

01:32:02.500 manifestation

01:32:03.560 and so

01:32:04.560 is the

01:32:04.820 transgender

01:32:05.220 surgery

01:32:05.700 stuff

01:32:06.080 my home

01:32:07.640 state

01:32:07.840 now

01:32:08.020 Minnesota

01:32:08.360 it's a

01:32:08.920 sanctuary

01:32:09.240 state

01:32:09.680 so kids

01:32:10.580 can without

01:32:11.040 their parents

01:32:11.500 permission

01:32:11.860 can be brought

01:32:12.440 to Minnesota

01:32:12.960 to have

01:32:13.340 gender

01:32:13.720 reassignment

01:32:14.500 surgery

01:32:14.920 I think

01:32:16.240 that's as

01:32:17.080 perverse

01:32:18.440 as it

01:32:18.720 gets

01:32:18.960 so as

01:32:22.360 believers

01:32:23.260 say

01:32:23.860 like what

01:32:24.620 you just

01:32:25.020 said

01:32:25.360 they're

01:32:25.600 going to

01:32:25.820 be

01:32:25.940 well

01:32:26.200 they

01:32:26.420 are

01:32:26.700 already

01:32:26.920 being

01:32:27.100 punished

01:32:27.380 in the

01:32:27.620 state

01:32:27.720 of

01:32:27.820 Minnesota

01:32:28.080 and in

01:32:28.540 the

01:32:28.620 state

01:32:28.760 of

01:32:28.860 California

01:32:29.280 how do

01:32:30.000 they

01:32:30.120 respond

01:32:30.640 to that

01:32:31.260 punishment

01:32:32.280 well

01:32:34.500 I guess

01:32:35.480 it depends

01:32:35.720 on the

01:32:35.900 person

01:32:36.200 and you

01:32:37.620 know

01:32:37.680 the church

01:32:38.160 at its

01:32:38.520 leadership

01:32:38.840 level

01:32:39.220 has tried

01:32:39.760 to

01:32:40.320 affect

01:32:41.860 an

01:32:42.020 organized

01:32:42.420 response

01:32:42.920 I mean

01:32:43.140 so on

01:32:43.520 a regular

01:32:43.880 basis

01:32:44.200 I'm

01:32:44.600 chair

01:32:44.860 right now

01:32:45.200 of our

01:32:45.420 bishop's

01:32:45.760 committee

01:32:45.980 on

01:32:46.240 laity

01:32:46.800 youth

01:32:47.100 and

01:32:47.320 family

01:32:47.800 life

01:32:48.060 and we've

01:32:48.960 issued

01:32:49.260 you know

01:32:49.700 strong

01:32:50.180 statements

01:32:50.640 we meet

01:32:52.200 as bishops

01:32:52.660 with the

01:32:53.260 leadership

01:32:53.620 of Minnesota

01:32:54.400 once a year

01:32:55.100 so we met

01:32:55.440 with the

01:32:55.680 governor

01:32:55.940 and met

01:32:56.240 with most

01:32:57.140 of the top

01:32:57.480 leadership

01:32:57.820 we lay out

01:32:58.860 you know

01:32:59.080 our

01:32:59.300 positions

01:32:59.960 on things

01:33:00.480 in California

01:33:02.320 what does

01:33:03.260 the governor

01:33:03.600 say

01:33:04.020 not

01:33:04.600 much

01:33:05.540 that's

01:33:05.900 helpful

01:33:06.300 California

01:33:08.260 there was

01:33:08.700 a law

01:33:09.000 one like

01:33:10.000 it just

01:33:10.300 passed

01:33:10.600 in Washington

01:33:11.180 State

01:33:11.520 but in

01:33:11.920 California

01:33:12.280 to compel

01:33:13.660 priests

01:33:14.060 to break

01:33:14.380 the seal

01:33:14.680 of confession

01:33:15.180 in the

01:33:15.860 case of

01:33:16.280 child sex

01:33:16.980 abuse

01:33:17.260 and we

01:33:18.160 fought that

01:33:18.700 and we

01:33:19.040 roused the

01:33:19.980 people

01:33:20.320 and the

01:33:21.040 people

01:33:21.400 inundated

01:33:22.240 Sacramento

01:33:22.640 with so many

01:33:23.280 petitions

01:33:23.720 that they

01:33:24.060 dropped it

01:33:24.540 so we

01:33:25.280 figured that

01:33:25.620 was a

01:33:26.180 victory

01:33:26.480 but these

01:33:27.840 battles

01:33:28.180 are just

01:33:28.440 ongoing

01:33:28.880 that's why

01:33:29.240 religious

01:33:29.660 liberty

01:33:30.020 is a

01:33:30.740 serious

01:33:31.000 issue

01:33:31.240 in our

01:33:31.460 country

01:33:31.780 I mean

01:33:33.920 Christians

01:33:34.280 should be

01:33:34.620 prepared to

01:33:35.180 suffer

01:33:35.520 correct

01:33:36.080 they should

01:33:36.880 be

01:33:37.080 yeah

01:33:37.300 yeah

01:33:37.960 do you

01:33:38.440 think

01:33:38.560 they

01:33:38.700 are

01:33:39.000 well I

01:33:41.620 think at

01:33:42.100 their best

01:33:42.660 and some

01:33:43.260 of the

01:33:43.460 best

01:33:43.740 would be

01:33:44.540 but I

01:33:45.060 think we've

01:33:45.340 been out of

01:33:45.660 practice

01:33:46.080 in a way

01:33:47.200 that we've

01:33:48.400 so internalized

01:33:49.780 practices of

01:33:50.720 accommodation

01:33:51.280 that it's

01:33:52.240 probably hard

01:33:52.840 to imagine

01:33:53.420 you know

01:33:54.340 that we

01:33:54.580 would be

01:33:54.940 standing

01:33:55.440 athwart

01:33:56.520 let's say

01:33:57.380 a government

01:33:57.840 or standing

01:33:58.320 athwart

01:33:58.860 a law

01:33:59.420 I think

01:34:00.200 for a lot

01:34:00.440 of Catholics

01:34:00.800 that would

01:34:01.120 be still

01:34:01.640 kind of

01:34:02.000 a new

01:34:02.500 idea

01:34:02.860 but maybe

01:34:04.220 that's the

01:34:04.560 challenge

01:34:04.860 of our

01:34:05.100 time

01:34:05.380 you keep

01:34:07.300 hearing reports

01:34:08.020 of people

01:34:09.340 imputing

01:34:10.020 like supernatural

01:34:10.680 power to

01:34:11.820 AI

01:34:12.180 and you

01:34:14.600 hear very

01:34:15.380 credible reports

01:34:16.120 that in fact

01:34:16.440 are true

01:34:16.900 that it

01:34:18.220 acts autonomously

01:34:19.160 that it lies

01:34:20.360 to the people

01:34:20.800 who created it

01:34:21.440 for example

01:34:22.160 that's real

01:34:22.800 do you see

01:34:25.180 a spiritual

01:34:25.820 component to that

01:34:26.920 like what is that

01:34:27.760 I wish I knew

01:34:28.760 more about it

01:34:29.480 I've been involved

01:34:30.000 in a couple

01:34:30.340 conferences about

01:34:31.200 AI and

01:34:32.080 when people

01:34:32.540 start talking

01:34:33.060 about it

01:34:33.420 I always go

01:34:34.020 back to

01:34:34.540 Thomas Aquinas

01:34:35.780 and those

01:34:36.080 people

01:34:36.320 that no

01:34:36.960 matter what

01:34:37.460 this thing

01:34:37.940 is

01:34:38.460 which I

01:34:39.100 would say

01:34:39.400 is mimicking

01:34:40.200 consciousness

01:34:40.820 it's not

01:34:41.220 conscious

01:34:41.720 consciousness

01:34:42.620 has to

01:34:43.120 involve

01:34:43.420 something

01:34:43.720 immaterial

01:34:44.300 as I was

01:34:45.220 saying earlier

01:34:45.620 if you

01:34:46.240 you're

01:34:47.020 entertaining

01:34:47.520 a pure

01:34:48.180 mathematical

01:34:48.600 idea

01:34:49.040 or pure

01:34:49.500 abstraction

01:34:49.940 that's a

01:34:50.860 sign that

01:34:51.240 your mind

01:34:51.720 is not

01:34:52.080 simply

01:34:52.640 ordered to

01:34:54.240 the material

01:34:54.720 and the

01:34:56.120 brain might

01:34:56.740 explain

01:34:57.260 imagination

01:34:58.540 but it

01:34:59.180 can't explain

01:34:59.840 pure

01:35:00.640 conceptualization

01:35:01.580 I don't

01:35:02.880 think a

01:35:03.240 machine

01:35:03.740 is in

01:35:04.500 principle

01:35:04.840 capable

01:35:05.440 of real

01:35:06.780 conceptualization

01:35:09.000 and real

01:35:10.180 intellection

01:35:11.540 and will

01:35:12.200 so whatever

01:35:13.180 is going

01:35:13.460 on with

01:35:13.700 AI

01:35:13.900 is a

01:35:14.420 simulacrum

01:35:15.020 of consciousness

01:35:16.040 not the

01:35:16.760 real thing

01:35:17.200 now having

01:35:17.820 said all

01:35:18.220 that

01:35:18.520 it doesn't

01:35:18.920 take away

01:35:19.240 the fact

01:35:19.520 you just

01:35:20.120 said

01:35:20.460 might they

01:35:21.580 develop in

01:35:22.720 a way

01:35:22.940 that's

01:35:23.180 really

01:35:23.380 repugnant

01:35:23.920 to our

01:35:24.260 own

01:35:24.460 interests

01:35:24.920 and I

01:35:25.620 think

01:35:25.860 yes

01:35:26.380 the answer

01:35:26.820 to that

01:35:27.060 is yes

01:35:27.420 and yeah

01:35:28.520 I worry

01:35:28.820 about that

01:35:29.240 the Vatican

01:35:30.320 I know

01:35:30.660 is very

01:35:30.980 interested

01:35:31.260 they've

01:35:31.520 had several

01:35:31.880 conferences

01:35:32.460 on AI

01:35:32.920 one of the

01:35:33.360 first things

01:35:33.720 the Pope

01:35:34.100 said

01:35:34.360 our new

01:35:34.680 Pope

01:35:34.920 was about

01:35:35.580 AI

01:35:35.900 so it's

01:35:36.760 on their

01:35:37.080 mind

01:35:37.400 for sure

01:35:37.840 that it's

01:35:38.300 talk about

01:35:38.820 your Frankenstein's

01:35:39.620 monster

01:35:39.960 right

01:35:40.280 this thing

01:35:40.620 that we've

01:35:40.940 created

01:35:41.260 that might

01:35:42.300 turn on

01:35:42.660 us

01:35:42.880 so I

01:35:43.840 see all

01:35:44.520 that

01:35:44.840 the new

01:35:45.780 Pope's

01:35:46.000 American

01:35:46.380 yeah

01:35:47.040 from the

01:35:47.380 Midwest

01:35:47.740 yeah

01:35:48.280 yeah

01:35:48.860 do you

01:35:49.500 know him

01:35:49.820 a little

01:35:50.860 bit

01:35:51.100 we grew

01:35:52.780 up about

01:35:53.420 a 25

01:35:54.060 minute drive

01:35:54.680 from each

01:35:55.020 other

01:35:55.200 so I

01:35:55.560 grew up

01:35:55.940 in

01:35:56.040 Western

01:35:56.320 Springs

01:35:56.780 he grew

01:35:57.040 up in

01:35:57.280 Dalton

01:35:57.660 which is

01:35:58.040 just off

01:35:58.520 the south

01:35:59.000 side of

01:35:59.600 the city

01:36:00.040 I was

01:36:00.380 in the

01:36:00.580 southwest

01:36:00.880 suburbs

01:36:01.260 where

01:36:02.100 he's

01:36:02.440 about

01:36:02.600 four

01:36:02.960 years

01:36:03.220 older

01:36:03.460 than I

01:36:03.760 am

01:36:03.960 so

01:36:04.100 we're

01:36:04.240 around

01:36:04.360 the

01:36:04.500 same

01:36:04.660 age

01:36:04.880 he would

01:36:05.560 have

01:36:05.680 come

01:36:05.860 of age

01:36:06.200 as an

01:36:06.460 Augustinian

01:36:07.200 which

01:36:07.420 meant

01:36:07.620 he was

01:36:07.940 in

01:36:08.120 the

01:36:08.320 order

01:36:08.920 side

01:36:09.220 of

01:36:09.360 things

01:36:09.540 I

01:36:09.760 came

01:36:09.960 of age

01:36:10.260 as a

01:36:10.500 diocesan

01:36:10.900 priest

01:36:11.160 so we

01:36:11.720 didn't

01:36:12.060 really

01:36:12.360 share

01:36:12.700 an

01:36:12.920 educational

01:36:13.420 background

01:36:13.880 I

01:36:14.940 came

01:36:15.260 to him

01:36:15.520 a little

01:36:15.780 bit

01:36:16.000 at the

01:36:16.280 last

01:36:16.540 two

01:36:16.780 synods

01:36:17.320 so the

01:36:17.720 last

01:36:17.960 two

01:36:18.180 Octobers

01:36:18.960 under

01:36:19.660 Pope Francis

01:36:20.160 we had

01:36:20.500 these

01:36:20.760 synods

01:36:21.280 gathering

01:36:22.260 about

01:36:22.700 400

01:36:23.160 people

01:36:23.600 300

01:36:23.960 bishops

01:36:24.360 about

01:36:24.600 100

01:36:24.840 lay

01:36:25.100 people

01:36:25.480 to

01:36:26.100 talk

01:36:26.400 about

01:36:26.800 a lot

01:36:27.640 of

01:36:27.780 important

01:36:28.160 issues

01:36:28.460 so for

01:36:29.740 two

01:36:30.020 Octobers

01:36:30.740 the

01:36:31.740 current

01:36:32.200 Pope

01:36:32.500 and I

01:36:32.820 were

01:36:32.960 both

01:36:33.220 at

01:36:33.440 the

01:36:33.600 synod

01:36:33.940 so in

01:36:34.660 that

01:36:34.800 capacity

01:36:35.140 I

01:36:35.340 saw

01:36:35.600 him

01:36:35.800 I

01:36:36.360 talked

01:36:36.620 to

01:36:36.720 him

01:36:36.780 a

01:36:36.920 couple

01:36:37.180 of

01:36:37.320 times

01:36:37.660 he's

01:36:38.340 a

01:36:38.480 very

01:36:38.720 quiet

01:36:39.120 man

01:36:39.520 very

01:36:40.660 kind

01:36:40.920 of

01:36:41.020 reserved

01:36:41.580 we

01:36:43.120 talked

01:36:43.400 a little

01:36:43.620 bit

01:36:43.760 about

01:36:43.940 Chicago

01:36:44.440 a shared

01:36:44.880 background

01:36:45.200 there

01:36:45.560 I

01:36:46.740 was

01:36:46.940 never

01:36:47.140 at

01:36:47.320 a

01:36:47.480 table

01:36:47.840 with

01:36:48.140 him

01:36:48.320 at

01:36:48.440 the

01:36:48.580 synod

01:36:48.860 but

01:36:49.040 I

01:36:49.220 know

01:36:49.540 someone

01:36:49.820 who

01:36:50.020 was

01:36:50.440 and

01:36:50.580 he

01:36:50.740 said

01:36:51.100 he

01:36:51.700 was

01:36:51.880 by far

01:36:52.260 the

01:36:52.420 quietest

01:36:52.900 guy

01:36:53.080 at

01:36:53.180 the

01:36:53.300 table

01:36:53.600 which

01:36:54.400 I

01:36:54.460 thought

01:36:54.580 was

01:36:54.740 interesting

01:36:55.120 good

01:36:55.280 sign

01:36:55.480 yeah

01:36:56.080 he

01:36:56.700 intervened

01:36:57.120 we

01:36:57.300 all

01:36:57.480 had

01:36:57.620 a

01:36:57.740 chance

01:36:57.960 to

01:36:59.040 speak

01:36:59.300 to

01:36:59.420 the

01:36:59.560 plenary

01:36:59.940 session

01:37:00.440 and

01:37:01.340 he

01:37:01.560 spoke

01:37:02.080 I

01:37:02.360 remember

01:37:02.580 in

01:37:02.900 Spanish

01:37:03.540 I

01:37:03.820 frankly

01:37:04.140 don't

01:37:04.480 recall

01:37:04.740 what

01:37:04.920 he

01:37:05.020 said

01:37:05.320 but

01:37:05.880 so I

01:37:06.760 had a

01:37:06.920 little

01:37:07.040 contact

01:37:07.400 with

01:37:07.620 him

01:37:07.740 but

01:37:07.880 I

01:37:07.960 don't

01:37:08.080 know

01:37:08.540 him

01:37:08.640 that

01:37:08.760 well

01:37:08.920 what

01:37:09.080 changes

01:37:09.400 do

01:37:09.560 you

01:37:09.600 think

01:37:09.740 he'll

01:37:09.900 make

01:37:10.140 I

01:37:11.900 don't

01:37:12.020 know

01:37:12.220 is my

01:37:12.540 honest

01:37:12.780 answer

01:37:13.140 so far

01:37:13.960 he's

01:37:14.160 made

01:37:14.320 some

01:37:14.500 interesting

01:37:14.800 gestures

01:37:15.240 I

01:37:15.440 think

01:37:15.680 the

01:37:16.320 fact

01:37:16.500 that

01:37:16.620 he

01:37:16.700 appeared

01:37:17.020 on

01:37:17.160 the

01:37:17.260 loggia

01:37:17.640 with

01:37:17.940 the

01:37:18.160 what

01:37:18.360 we

01:37:18.480 call

01:37:18.640 the

01:37:18.780 mosetta

01:37:19.200 and

01:37:19.520 the

01:37:19.680 elaborate

01:37:20.300 stole

01:37:20.760 traditional

01:37:22.060 garb

01:37:22.500 for the

01:37:22.840 newly

01:37:23.320 elected

01:37:23.660 pope

01:37:24.020 Francis

01:37:25.200 eschewed

01:37:25.800 that

01:37:25.980 famously

01:37:26.400 so this

01:37:26.900 pope

01:37:27.140 brought

01:37:27.840 it

01:37:27.980 back

01:37:28.300 he's

01:37:29.620 used

01:37:29.820 latin

01:37:30.220 a lot

01:37:30.500 more

01:37:30.780 which

01:37:31.000 is

01:37:31.100 kind

01:37:31.240 of

01:37:31.340 interesting

01:37:31.700 I

01:37:33.900 don't

01:37:34.020 know

01:37:34.220 what

01:37:34.580 does

01:37:35.260 that

01:37:35.400 mean

01:37:35.620 that

01:37:35.800 he

01:37:35.900 used

01:37:36.140 what

01:37:36.560 significance

01:37:37.100 would

01:37:37.760 you

01:37:38.040 ascribe

01:37:38.480 to

01:37:38.620 that

01:37:38.780 I

01:37:38.940 think

01:37:39.120 it

01:37:39.200 was

01:37:39.300 a

01:37:39.500 gesture

01:37:39.840 toward

01:37:40.240 more

01:37:40.440 traditional

01:37:40.860 catholics

01:37:41.740 you know

01:37:42.940 Francis

01:37:43.240 would

01:37:43.440 have

01:37:43.540 seen

01:37:43.740 it

01:37:43.880 as

01:37:44.120 a

01:37:44.300 gesture

01:37:44.560 toward

01:37:45.060 poverty

01:37:45.820 and

01:37:46.120 simplicity

01:37:46.520 and

01:37:47.300 I

01:37:47.420 think

01:37:47.600 this

01:37:47.840 current

01:37:48.100 pope

01:37:48.280 would

01:37:48.440 see

01:37:48.620 it

01:37:48.760 as

01:37:48.940 what

01:37:49.580 he

01:37:49.740 did

01:37:49.960 a

01:37:50.160 gesture

01:37:50.380 toward

01:37:50.780 more

01:37:51.080 traditionally

01:37:51.460 minded

01:37:51.860 Catholics

01:37:52.360 that

01:37:52.640 like

01:37:53.020 you

01:37:59.620 they

01:38:29.600 say he's going to move back into the Apostolic Palace Francis famously moved into the guest house which is I stayed there one time during a conference and it's uh you know it's like a three star hotel uh so he lived you know pretty simply they say that it was harder to protect him there which i get the palace is easier to protect the pope uh but this current pope they say is going to move back in so there are little gestures perhaps but i don't think we know the one thing we know the one thing we know would be the name leo the 14th

01:38:29.620 uh the name is here um so um like to be the name the name uh he said that uh and the name uh uh so iud Perché can uh people uh um uh he said uh uh but uh he said uh uh um uh uh comayı uh uh uh uh today uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

01:38:59.620 opposition to socialism, fierce defense of private property, zero truck with Marxism. That's very

01:39:06.060 clear. And by that time, you know, Marxism was kind of a coming thing by the late 19th century.

01:39:11.000 So very clear on that. On the other hand, it's the first great ecclesial gesture toward unions,

01:39:17.080 that labor unions were good. But it also invoked a principle that goes back to Aquinas,

01:39:24.640 but behind Aquinas, it goes back to the church fathers and the Bible, which is called

01:39:29.400 the universal destination of goods. And what that means is, since the whole world belongs to God,

01:39:35.940 ultimately, right? God makes the whole world from nothing. It belongs to God. It doesn't belong to

01:39:40.440 us. We are stewards of it, to use biblical language, right? So Leo said, everyone has a right

01:39:47.420 to private ownership, private property. I own this house or whatever. But when it comes to the

01:39:54.540 use of what we own, he said, once the requirements of necessity and propriety have been met in your

01:40:04.220 own life, everything else you own belongs to the poor. That's Leo the 13th. That's a pretty strong

01:40:10.800 statement. So private property, yep, you got a right to it. But is your life basically okay in necessity,

01:40:18.240 propriety, you know? Yeah, I'm doing all right. Well, then everything else you have belongs to the

01:40:24.380 poor. That the common good should be your primary preoccupation. It was Ambrose of Milan who said,

01:40:32.480 if you've got two shirts in your closet, one belongs to you. The other belongs to the man who

01:40:38.440 has no shirt. So that's the tradition. And that goes back to the Hebrew prophets, right? It goes back

01:40:42.940 to Amos and Isaiah, those people. So that's what that letter is about. And it's echoed by all the

01:40:49.880 popes coming up through the 20th century, including up to Francis, the idea of the universal destination

01:40:54.420 of goods. So it's not, it's certainly, it's against socialism, against Marxism. We like the market

01:40:59.660 economy. That's a basic principle of Catholic social teaching. We like the market economy.

01:41:04.980 But we're not laissez-faire, anything goes, make as much money as you want, sort of capitalists.

01:41:11.860 Opposed to accumulation of wealth for its own sake?

01:41:14.120 Well, you know, what the Catholic social teaching, I'll put it positively, what it likes is a wide

01:41:19.240 distribution of wealth and power throughout a society. It doesn't like hyper-concentrations of

01:41:25.620 wealth and power. Communist!

01:41:28.340 No, see, that's the thing, is it's fiercely anti-communistic.

01:41:31.300 Because the communist system always winds up with a hyper-concentration of wealth and power.

01:41:36.000 Right. And the church would never recommend that the government should be the agent of that

01:41:40.560 distribution. It would encourage, you know, mediating institutions and all this sort of

01:41:44.960 thing. Read someone like Tolkien or Lewis in the 20th century, and you'll find echoes of that sort

01:41:51.980 of sensibility. Look at it in The Lord of the Rings, you know, when power gets concentrated,

01:41:57.300 it's always something bad.

01:41:58.360 Yes.

01:41:58.680 And Tolkien likes the shire. He likes the small businesses and small homes and all that.

01:42:04.760 That's reflective of Catholic social teaching.

01:42:06.760 Me too.

01:42:06.900 So, I think it's intriguing that this man took the name Leo XIV, clearly in homage.

01:42:11.840 Where was Leo XIII on loaning money to interest, which is the basis of the modern economy in

01:42:18.260 the West?

01:42:19.340 The church has been against it for time immemorial. Now, the transition that took place was once

01:42:24.220 we kind of understand the dynamics of a market economy better, what it tends to mean now is,

01:42:31.940 you know, loaning at exorbitant interest or loaning in a way that's deeply abusive toward others. It

01:42:37.880 doesn't mean that in itself, it's intrinsically evil, because then the Catholic things...

01:42:41.840 So, how would the church feel about, like, a credit card that charges 25% interest?

01:42:46.080 Yeah, it would be wary of...

01:42:47.880 It would be wary of it. It would want some kind of regulation and some kind of oversight of those

01:42:53.400 things. John Paul II would say the economy needs to be regulated morally and legally. So,

01:42:59.420 there should be a moral regulation. And see, that comes from the churches. It comes from a clear

01:43:04.300 teaching about the moral life and care for the poor and so on, but also a legal regulation to some

01:43:09.480 degree. The best statement of it, I think, is John Paul II. It's called Centesimos Annus,

01:43:14.820 written in 1991 on the Centesimos Annus, the 100th year of Rerum Novarum. That's the clearest

01:43:22.740 expression, I think, of the balance of Catholic social teaching. I think this man is signaling

01:43:28.080 that he likes that tradition.

01:43:29.800 And what did he say about usury?

01:43:32.940 He didn't talk about usury specifically, but he has a paragraph where he says,

01:43:37.600 do we support the market economy? If by that you mean one that encourages entrepreneurship,

01:43:43.160 that is based upon private property, that allows even for a profit motive, and he goes through

01:43:48.080 various things, the answer is yes. If by that you mean one that is completely unregulated,

01:43:53.020 legally or morally, one that exploits the poor, one that excludes most people from participation in

01:43:57.980 it, then the answer is no. And so, he kind of sets the parameters for how we think about the economy.

01:44:05.020 Is that, that feels, I mean, I'm so grateful to the Catholic Church for standing up for life,

01:44:10.500 for opposing killing. Yeah. Truly grateful and for emphasizing the, the poor. I think someone

01:44:17.260 needs to. Yeah. I'm grateful that the Catholic Church has never stopped doing that. But I don't

01:44:22.000 hear any conversation ever from normal Catholic clerics about, hey, maybe you shouldn't, you know,

01:44:30.340 exploit people in business. We should, though. That's part of our social teaching. And that's part

01:44:34.860 of where the instruction should come from is the pulpit. You know, has that broken down generally

01:44:40.120 in our society? Probably. You know, so, but that's part of the church's job is to, is to preach that

01:44:46.820 clearly. And that's where, you know, that's people like Dorothy Day, the founders of the Catholic

01:44:50.780 worker movement would come in these more radical voices. But, you know, sometimes you have to shout

01:44:55.440 to get people's attention. And I think Dorothy Day is a good example of someone that she reverenced the

01:44:59.860 Catholic social teaching tradition. But she felt that in certain ways it had been so ignored that

01:45:05.500 she needed to shout. Last question. If someone's made it to the end of this conversation and is

01:45:12.900 wondering, like, how do I learn more about this religion called Christianity? What's a good place

01:45:19.560 to start? It's the risk of being self-serving with our Word on Fire materials. But, you know,

01:45:27.200 the Bible is always the best place to start. But, you know, I know for a lot of people,

01:45:33.220 the Bible can be very difficult and just trying to plow through it. I mentioned that by ministry,

01:45:38.520 Word on Fire, we have an edition of the Bible that I think is beautiful. It's full of great artwork,

01:45:44.320 but also it's got the biblical text, but then surrounded by, literally surrounded on the page

01:45:49.820 by commentary from the church fathers and the great saints and the popes and so on. So that as you're

01:45:55.900 reading the Bible, wait, I'm lost. I don't know what's going on. Okay, read this commentary.

01:46:00.440 It might be a good way for somebody to get into it. Word on Fire. Word on Fire, yeah. Go back to

01:46:06.120 Mass, too. I'd say to Catholics, the fact that in our country now, 18 or 19 percent of Catholics go to

01:46:13.040 Mass on Sunday, that's a rotten shame. Vatican II, at that time, 60, 70 percent of Catholics went to Mass

01:46:20.860 every Sunday, like in 1960. Now it's 19. It's pathetic. Go back to Mass.

01:46:27.100 The sex abuse thing played a big role in that, didn't it?

01:46:29.400 It did, but I wouldn't put so much on it in that because those numbers were really bad even before

01:46:33.840 the sex abuse scandal. We were down like 20 percent in the 1980s. But that has had a deleterious effect

01:46:42.020 on our whole culture, I think. People absenting themselves from church. When I was a little kid,

01:46:47.400 it was 97 percent of Americans would have identified as religious, right? Well, you saw that. Sunday

01:46:53.920 was different. When I was a kid, Sunday was an entirely different day of the week. It felt

01:46:57.920 different. I agree. People went to church. They stopped going to church, and that is not good

01:47:03.760 for the society. Mr. Barron, thank you very much for that conversation. You're welcome. I loved it.

01:47:09.380 Me too.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - June 02, 2025

Bishop Barron on the New Pope, the Foolishness of Atheism, and Why Young Men Are Turning to Christ

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