The Tucker Carlson Show - Bonus： JD Vance with Megyn Kelly, on Democrats' Anti-Family Policies and Media Lies

00:00:00.000 Hey, Tucker Carlson fans, it's Megyn Kelly. Tucker and I, as you may know, go way back.

00:00:04.860 If you love Tucker's show like I do, you're going to enjoy his live tour this fall,

00:00:10.020 and I will be joining him in Kansas City on September 12th. I hope to see you there.

00:00:15.260 Today, I'm here to bring you a conversation I had on Friday over on The Megyn Kelly Show

00:00:19.800 with the GOP's vice presidential nominee, Senator J.D. Vance. It was a wide-ranging

00:00:26.040 interview that made a lot of news. I've known J.D. for years and was so glad to have him back on the

00:00:31.880 show. I mean, what they're doing to him is such BS. And if you like what you hear, do me a favor and

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00:00:46.160 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:56.040 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. As the Democratic Party

00:01:02.200 ousts President Joe Biden and elevates Vice President Kamala Harris to the top of its ticket

00:01:07.120 without a single vote having been cast for her in that role, in just a matter of hours,

00:01:11.940 the media suddenly turning all of its focus seemingly to Senator J.D. Vance, Trump's running

00:01:18.380 mate. Donald Trump's number two coming under intense criticism for comments he made three

00:01:25.520 years ago about, quote, childless cat ladies, because this is what Americans who can't pay 1.00

00:01:31.880 their mortgages care about. Senator Vance is here to respond to this controversy. But first,

00:01:36.700 we want to start by walking you through how it all began. Going back now to July 2021, Mr. Vance

00:01:43.660 had just launched his campaign for senator in the great state of Ohio, and he gave a speech

00:01:48.920 to a conservative organization called the Intercollegiate Studies Institute. This was a

00:01:53.840 speech essentially about declining birth rates, and they're bad, by the way, in the United States.

00:01:59.000 They're at a 17-year low, and they continue to go in the wrong direction. And what it means for the

00:02:05.080 future of this country. Mr. Vance talked about how he wanted to see the Republican Party as a pro-family

00:02:11.420 party. He discussed the importance of children and brought up the fact that many top Democratic

00:02:17.720 leaders don't have any kids, questioning what kind of a message the party as a whole is sending

00:02:24.540 to young Americans. Take a listen. I want to take aim at the left, specifically the childless left, 0.99

00:02:33.760 because I think the rejection of the American family is perhaps the most pernicious and most evil

00:02:39.600 thing that the left has done in this country. Consider all of the next gen of the Democrat

00:02:45.940 Party. The names are obvious. They're well-known people. Kamala Harris, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who's

00:02:51.440 now the Secretary of Transportation, Cory Booker, AOC. Think all these people. They're different. They

00:02:58.940 come from different walks of life, different parts of the country. What is the one thing that unites every

00:03:02.660 single one of them? Not a single one of them has any children. Look, a lot of people are unable to

00:03:08.380 have kids for very complicated and important reasons. There are people, of course, for biological

00:03:12.840 reasons, medical reasons that can't have children. The target of these remarks is not them. It's

00:03:17.820 important to point that out. It is one thing to recognize that there are people who don't have

00:03:23.760 children. It's one thing to recognize there are people who don't have children through no fault or

00:03:28.980 choice of their own. But it's something else to build a political movement invested theoretically in

00:03:35.000 the future of this country when not a single one of them actually has any physical commitment

00:03:39.520 to the future of this country. Kids are the ultimate way that we find healthy people, at least I think

00:03:45.520 self-meaning in life. We should treat this as a crisis in this country. And we should send the signal

00:03:51.660 to the culture that we are the pro-family party and we're going to back it up with real policy.

00:03:56.080 Now, because Mr. Vance named names in his speech, it caused some headlines at the time,

00:04:02.720 mainly because Vice President Harris is not a mother of her own biological children,

00:04:09.060 but she's a stepmother. At the same time, Secretary Buttigieg did not have any children,

00:04:14.880 but about a month later, he adopted twin babies. So a few days after those remarks, back in 2021,

00:04:20.640 Mr. Vance went on Tucker Carlson's show on Fox to address some of the blowback.

00:04:25.540 And that's when he made the comments about the childless cat ladies. Watch. 0.96

00:04:30.900 We're effectively run in this country via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, 0.90

00:04:35.820 by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that 1.00

00:04:40.180 they've made. And so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too. And it's just a basic

00:04:44.200 fact. You look at Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, AOC, the entire future of the Democrats is

00:04:50.240 controlled by people without children. Well, the Harris team recirculated the

00:04:54.300 comments this week, leading Democrats and the media, the same media currently rewriting history

00:04:59.760 to tell us Kamala Harris was never the border czar, to immediately pile on, on cue. On Tuesday,

00:05:05.840 Hillary Clinton shared it on X and sarcastically wrote, what a normal, relatable guy who certainly

00:05:10.500 doesn't hate women having freedoms. Literally, your husband has been accused of repeated sexual

00:05:15.360 assaults. So take a seat, madam. On Wednesday, actress Jennifer Aniston weighed in writing,

00:05:21.420 I truly can't believe this is coming from a potential VP of the United States and urged

00:05:27.300 Senator Vance to think about his own daughter, hoping that she might never need IVF, which she

00:05:32.900 accused Mr. Vance of being against, which as we pointed out yesterday is not true. And it did not

00:05:38.680 end there. Watch. How dare you? You never had a baby. Your wife had a baby. You know who else didn't

00:05:46.760 have kids? George Washington, the father of a nation. Like Kamala, he raised Martha's children.

00:05:55.880 Because they invalidate even the idea of women who use IVF to get pregnant or women who don't have

00:06:03.020 children or women who are stepmoms. Like none of those are valid women to them. Those women don't 0.98

00:06:07.580 matter. They're trying to reinforce this message that the only valid version of America is the

00:06:12.660 America where white women didn't leave the home. My kids are over. Does that make me childless? 0.76

00:06:19.500 I want to qualify. He is falling into the line of Donald Trump, offending women, offending minorities.

00:06:27.420 So if you have stepkids, J.D. Vance is saying that you should not have as many rights as everybody

00:06:32.580 else. Like this is a person, him and the former president, they want to control women. Jesus did 0.95

00:06:39.900 not have children, right? Joining me now, GOP vice presidential candidate, J.D. Vance.

00:06:49.580 J.D., Senator, welcome back to the show. It's great to see you.

00:06:52.540 Good to see you, Megan. Thank you.

00:06:53.460 So Jesus didn't have kids. Therefore, you are wrong. What were you trying to say?

00:07:00.040 I guess they're comparing Kamala Harris to Jesus. I don't know. That doesn't make a ton

00:07:04.400 of sense to me, Megan. But look, I know the media wants to attack me and wants me to back

00:07:08.060 down on this, Megan. But the simple point that I made is that having children, becoming a father,

00:07:13.060 becoming a mother, I really do think it changes your perspective in a pretty profound way.

00:07:17.240 This is something, of course, we've recognized for hundreds of years in this country that human

00:07:21.020 civilization has always recognized. But there's a deeper point here, Megan. It's not a criticism of

00:07:27.240 people who don't have children. I explicitly said in my remarks, despite the fact the media

00:07:31.540 has lied about this, that this is not about criticizing people who, for various reasons,

00:07:35.740 didn't have kids. This is about criticizing the Democratic Party for becoming anti-family and

00:07:40.940 anti-child. We have to ask ourselves, Megan, why do we have masking of toddlers years after the

00:07:46.900 pandemic ended? Why do we have the Harris campaign coming out this very morning, Megan, and saying

00:07:51.580 that we should not have the child tax credit, which lowers tax rates for parents of young

00:07:56.300 children? It's because they have become anti-family and anti-kid. And I'm proud to stand up for

00:08:01.860 parents. And I hope that parents out there recognize that I'm a guy who wants to fight for

00:08:06.060 you. I want to fight for your interests. I want to fight for your stake in the country. And that is

00:08:10.400 what this is fundamentally about. The Democrats in the past five, 10 years, Megan, they have become

00:08:15.200 anti-family. It's built into their policy. It's built into the way they talk about parents and

00:08:20.240 children. And it's time that we call that out. I don't think we should back down from it, Megan.

00:08:24.180 I think we should be honest about the problem. Here's what's crazy. It's not just Senator J.D.

00:08:30.120 Vance, Republican and running mate to Donald Trump saying that. Just recently, there was a long piece,

00:08:36.840 June 10th, 2024, in the New York Times and another one in the New Yorker highlighting a book that's called

00:08:44.480 What Are Children For? On Ambivalence and Choice, in which the authors, leftists, liberals, got deep

00:08:51.880 into this very problem and chastised their own side for the reluctance to have children and the

00:08:59.940 messaging to young women about priorities. It's not just a Republican thing. The honest liberals will 0.92

00:09:07.500 admit themselves that somehow the Democrats are running away from family as one of their previous

00:09:15.780 old core values. I'll just give you a couple of excerpts from the New York Times piece by these two

00:09:21.680 authors, Anastasia Berg and Rachel Wiseman. Again, this was a month ago. They write for progressives

00:09:27.800 waiting to have children has become a kind of ethical imperative. They go on to say the the success

00:09:34.380 narratives of modern liberal life leave little room for having a family. They say this is not

00:09:41.800 just a recipe for unhappiness. It also reflects a deep confusion. And they go on to write as follows.

00:09:49.320 The question of children ultimately transcends politics in deciding whether to have them.

00:09:55.320 We confront a philosophical challenge is life, however imperfect and however challenging,

00:10:00.860 however fraught with political disagreement and disaster worth living. So this is not and I could

00:10:07.840 go on. I mean, the New Yorker piece had the similar point. We've seen it from AOC. We've seen it from the

00:10:13.760 hardcore environmentalists on the left in particular, urging people not to have children because they

00:10:21.280 don't see a future for the country or the world.

00:10:24.340 Yeah, Megan, and I think it's profoundly weird and dangerous rhetoric because, you know, I think most

00:10:31.260 parents would say professional achievements, whether you're a mom or dad, all that stuff eventually fades

00:10:36.420 away. The thing that you're most proud of is having kids, what your kids do, the relationship that you

00:10:42.180 have with your family. That is what I think brings the most meaning to life is family, not all these weird

00:10:48.580 little accomplishments and degrees and everything else, right? It's family that really brings the

00:10:54.800 most meaning to our lives. And Megan, this comment that I made was actually motivated in part by

00:11:00.000 a conversation I had with my wife where, you know, she at the time had two babies. We hadn't yet had a

00:11:05.580 third. And she was talking about how she felt this incredible professional pressure to not have kids

00:11:11.440 because it set back her professional advancement. And what a weird society that we've set up where

00:11:16.180 moms who want to work, the thought that a lot of them are having is I can't have more babies because 1.00

00:11:21.660 it's going to be bad for my career. How about we make the workplace more accommodating to working

00:11:26.860 moms and working dads so that we can promote a real culture of life? You started your monologue,

00:11:32.520 Megan, talking about how we have the lowest birth rate. And basically in our history in this country,

00:11:38.160 what our young moms and dads are telling us is they don't feel comfortable in this society

00:11:42.520 bringing new life into the world. That is a catastrophic problem. And it's interesting

00:11:47.300 when I raised this issue about we don't have enough babies, a lot of liberals and a lot of

00:11:52.000 people on the left will say, well, we can just replace American children with immigrants. Well, 0.80

00:11:56.800 look, there's nothing against immigrants. Obviously, I'm married to the daughter of immigrants.

00:12:00.160 But if your society is not having enough children to replace itself, that is a profoundly dangerous

00:12:05.760 and destabilizing thing. You look across history, that's a real problem. So I just think that we have to

00:12:12.060 say, Megan, having kids is good. Being a parent changes your perspective on the world. That is not

00:12:17.940 a bad thing to stand up for parents. In fact, it's the best thing. If our politics isn't standing up

00:12:23.860 for parents, then what the hell are we doing, Megan? All right. I'm giving you The New Yorker

00:12:27.920 again. This is the first was from The New York Times. Here's The New Yorker, How Liberals Talk

00:12:31.800 About Children by Jay Caspian Kang. This is from June. This is a month ago. And it ends with the

00:12:38.020 following. He talks about how this person, Jay, talks about how the messaging from leftists around

00:12:43.840 children is all about their economic value, how much they're going to cost, what kind of a burden

00:12:48.940 they're going to be, as opposed to the goodness they bring into the world and our lives. And the

00:12:55.020 piece ends as follows. We should talk about them as a universal and immutable good. So that's exactly

00:13:02.700 what you did in those remarks, J.D., and I understood it completely. And I think even the

00:13:07.700 left, if they're honest, understands that piece of it. Here's where I think it gets controversial and

00:13:12.820 where, you know, your attacks are coming in from. Sure. It was this piece where you then talked about

00:13:18.800 the relative value of voting, of a person's voting rights, a parent versus somebody who isn't.

00:13:26.900 Here's that piece of the original remarks and so forth.

00:13:29.700 The Democrats are talking about giving the vote to 16-year-olds, but let's do this instead. 0.77

00:13:35.560 Let's give votes to all children in this country, but let's give control over those votes to the 0.94

00:13:41.080 parents of those children. When you go to the polls in this country as a parent, you should have more

00:13:55.600 power. You should have more of an ability to speak your voice in our democratic republic than people

00:14:00.600 who don't have kids. Let's face the consequences and the reality. And all the usual suspects will

00:14:05.560 criticize me about this in the coming days. Well, doesn't this mean that non-parents don't have

00:14:12.620 as much of a voice as parents? Doesn't this mean that parents get a bigger say in how our democracy

00:14:18.220 functions? Yes, absolutely.

00:14:23.680 So do you stand by that?

00:14:26.400 Well, Megan, look, I'm obviously doing a thought experiment there where Democrats have talked

00:14:30.000 about giving children the right to vote. And I'm saying, well, if we're going to give children the

00:14:33.140 right to vote, shouldn't we give parents the say over how that vote, you know, in so many other areas

00:14:37.460 of life, we say that parents determine what's best for their children. If we're going to give kids the

00:14:42.120 right to vote, it might as well be true in that scenario too. So I think, again, the point that I'm

00:14:47.080 trying to make here, Megan, is that having kids is a profoundly life-altering thing. It's a

00:14:52.620 fundamentally good thing. And the democratic party has become very anti-child in their messaging and

00:14:59.020 in their public policy. That is what I want to change. And that is what I think the Republican

00:15:02.960 party stands for. We're the party of parents, we're the party of kids, and we want to fight for

00:15:07.540 parents and children to have good lives. I have to say, Megan, just one of the things that's been

00:15:11.560 profoundly dishonest about the media, and of course they're dishonest, they always do this,

00:15:15.840 but they've taken this incredibly out of context. They say that I'm opposed to IVF or that I'm

00:15:21.500 criticizing people who have fertility problems. Megan, I said explicitly in my remarks that I

00:15:26.820 wasn't talking about people who couldn't have children. I was talking about people who have

00:15:31.620 turned anti-child into the ethic of their entire party. That's a fundamentally different thing. And

00:15:36.960 it's obvious that the Democrats don't want to own up to the fact that their party has become very

00:15:41.760 anti-family. You have Hollywood celebrities saying, oh, well, J.D. Vance, what if your daughter

00:15:46.440 suffered fertility problems? Well, first of all, that's disgusting because my daughter is two years 0.93

00:15:51.500 old. And second of all, if she had fertility problems, as I said in that speech, I would try

00:15:56.620 everything I could to try to help her because I believe families and babies are a good thing.

00:16:02.120 That's the whole point, is if you believe families and babies are a good thing, you should be trying to

00:16:06.700 promote life. You should try to promote the fact that we want to have a good family policy in this

00:16:12.600 country. That is what's so profoundly wrong about where the Democrats have gone. And I think we have

00:16:17.380 to fight back against this, Megan. I think a lot of people, you know, the media has been attacking me

00:16:21.600 and this is how it goes. We cannot give up an inch on this. We're the pro-family party. I think I want

00:16:27.800 to keep us that way. Just to, you know, I would like to talk about the IVF because as far as I understand

00:16:34.480 it, you oppose the Democrats' bill on IVF, like allowing it in all states, but also providing

00:16:40.580 funding through everybody's insurance for it, which is more controversial. But you supported

00:16:44.900 Ted Cruz's and Katie Britt's bill to protect IVF, if my memory is correct. But I guess I'll just ask

00:16:51.720 you now, where do you stand on IVF? Well, first of all, Megan, I know beautiful children. I mean,

00:16:56.620 kids that play at my house with my kids that have been brought into the world through IVF.

00:17:00.560 Of course, we want to make it easier for moms and dads to choose life if, of course,

00:17:05.620 they're in a terrible situation where they have fertility problems. I think the problem with

00:17:09.500 the Democrats' approach on this is they're trying to take away religious liberty. And you just go

00:17:13.440 back to Kamala Harris, Megan. This is a person, of course, who has tried to say that members of the

00:17:17.720 Knights of Columbus should not serve in public office. This is a person who's tried to say that

00:17:22.700 Catholic hospitals and Christian Harris hospitals should have to do IVF in the way the Democrats want

00:17:28.820 them to do it. I'm talking about religious liberty here. I think we have to protect the rights of

00:17:33.840 Christian hospitals to operate the way that they want to operate. But of course, that's totally 1.00

00:17:38.320 consistent with promoting fertility treatments for parents who need it. And I believe in this stuff,

00:17:43.160 again, because I believe babies are a profound moral good. I think it transforms society. I've seen

00:17:49.180 friends of mine become totally different people when they became fathers. I know my wife would say the

00:17:54.420 same thing about her friends who became mothers. This is a good thing. And I hate that our politics

00:17:59.300 has become so profoundly anti-child. I want to change that, Megan. I'm going to keep on fighting

00:18:03.400 on this. And honestly, so profoundly pro-victim. I've never seen, I have seen, but it's yet another

00:18:09.720 instance in which you see all these left-wing politicians, people rush to play the victim in

00:18:17.800 response to these comments, right? Like Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords, who were not included in the

00:18:24.140 scope of your remarks. You did not name them, but they've rushed, of course, because he's being

00:18:28.420 considered reportedly for her VP, for her running mate. And so they ran out to offer the following

00:18:33.720 comment. And, you know, Jennifer Aniston was another, like taking issue, as I mentioned in the

00:18:37.800 intro, as if your comments were about her personally. But I'll say something to Jennifer Aniston. You know

00:18:42.820 what? I don't know what your child's situation is, but you should read this piece in the New York

00:18:48.020 Times. You should read this piece that says as follows. Liberal conventional wisdom encourages

00:18:53.080 people to spend their twenties on journeys of personal and professional self-discovery and

00:18:56.780 self-fulfillment. Children are treated as a bonus round, something to get to only after completing a

00:19:02.760 long list of achievements, getting a degree, forging a satisfying and well-established career,

00:19:06.880 buying a house, cultivating the ideal romantic partnership, and making the point that this is an

00:19:11.680 empty life, that without the ultimate goal of children, you are not. They write as follows.

00:19:18.660 Having children remains the most basic and accessible way for most of us to affirm the

00:19:22.300 value of our lives and that of others. And if you realize that too late, you might be feeling bitter.

00:19:27.600 You might find yourself in a situation where you have no choice but IVF because your most fruitful

00:19:32.540 childbearing years have passed you. It's a choice every woman has to make. It's not anybody else's fault 1.00

00:19:37.760 if you choose to pursue career and find yourself in that situation. As frankly, I did, but I got lucky

00:19:43.160 and IVF worked for me. Okay. So in any event, I want to go back because Gabby Giffords and Mark

00:19:49.940 Kelly are taking aim at you, saying as follows. Gabby Giffords, of course, was shot in a terrible

00:19:56.680 mass shooting incident in which she was the target several years ago. And she's married to Mark Kelly,

00:20:01.100 former astronaut, now Senator. She writes, Vice President Kamala Harris is a proud mom of two

00:20:07.700 remarkable stepchildren. And so am I. Captain Mark Kelly and I were trying to have a baby through

00:20:12.320 IVF before I was shot. And that dream was stolen from us. To suggest we are somehow lesser is

00:20:19.320 disgraceful. How do you respond to that? Well, of course, first of all, Kamala Harris,

00:20:25.120 you know, I don't know her family situation. I've read in the media that she's got two stepkids. I 1.00

00:20:31.680 wish her stepchildren and Kamala Harris and her whole family the very best. The point is not that

00:20:37.240 she's lesser. The point is that her party has pursued a set of policies that are profoundly

00:20:42.280 anti-child. These people want to conflate the personal situation here with the fact that I'm making

00:20:48.140 an argument that our entire society has become skeptical and even hateful towards the idea of having

00:20:53.580 kids. I mean, you have young women and young men who say, we don't want to have children because

00:20:57.540 of climate change. We don't want to have children, of course, because housing prices are too expensive.

00:21:02.680 And that's a concern I take seriously and I think is a very real problem. But people have to remember

00:21:07.780 that when you look back on your life, you talk to people, the thing that they remember most is not

00:21:12.580 their career or their education. It's their family. And I just want us to be a country that's pro-family.

00:21:18.620 Of course, what happened to Gabby Giffords was terrible. I wish her the best.

00:21:21.720 Of course, Kamala Harris has a great family. I wish them all the best. But why are they pursuing

00:21:27.280 a set of policies that make having families harder? Why are they wanting to mask toddlers

00:21:32.840 years into the pandemic? Why are they saying that we should get rid of the child tax credit,

00:21:37.760 which lowers taxes for working families with children? They are creating an anti-family and 0.91

00:21:43.740 anti-child society. And I think it's important for Republicans to fight back against this, Megan,

00:21:48.220 and not take the bait here. We wish the best for these people's families, but they should not use

00:21:53.080 their families as a pretext to pursue all these ridiculous anti-family policies for the rest of

00:21:58.460 Americans.

00:21:59.180 Well, I was going to say, in defense of Kamala Harris and other childless leftists, plenty of

00:22:04.960 leftists with children tried to mask our children interminably and did not care about their own kids

00:22:10.720 suffering or ours. Last comment on this, then we'll move on. The childless cat lady. Would you like to comment 0.84

00:22:17.360 on that? That reportedly has many conservative women outraged? Though when I clicked on the Newsweek

00:22:23.940 article suggesting as much, I saw three quoted.

00:22:30.300 Look, Megan, I've heard from a lot of conservative women and frankly, a lot of liberal women who said,

00:22:34.560 I'm actually glad that you pointed out that there's become something profoundly anti-family

00:22:39.120 in our public policy and in our public conversation. Obviously, it was a sarcastic comment. I've got

00:22:44.700 nothing against cats. I've got nothing against dogs. I've got one dog at home and I love them,

00:22:48.120 Megan. But look, this is not, people are focusing so much on the sarcasm and not on the substance of

00:22:55.340 what I actually said. And the substance of what I said, Megan, I'm sorry, it's true. It is true that

00:23:00.560 we become anti-family. It is true that the left has become anti-child. It is simply true that it's

00:23:06.500 become way too hard to raise a family. You know, Megan, you know, I myself had a lot of step-parents

00:23:12.820 when I was growing up. I certainly was enriched by some of those step-parents and frankly,

00:23:16.800 not enriched by others. My own wife is a working mother. You hear leftists say,

00:23:21.760 JD wants to keep women in the home. My own wife, I've supported her career for my entire life. I'm 0.99

00:23:27.460 proud of it. But because I'm proud of it and because I supported my wife, Megan, I've seen the fact that

00:23:33.260 it's hard to be a working mom, that the corporate world is fundamentally hostile to working mothers and 1.00

00:23:39.560 working fathers because we have made stupid and bad choices as a country. I want us to make 1.00

00:23:45.800 different choices. And I think it's shameful for the Democrats to hide behind their personal

00:23:49.860 circumstances when they have supported policies that have made it harder on working moms and dads.

00:23:55.640 And there's still this very day doing the exact same thing. You mentioned Usha. Joy Reid,

00:24:02.080 in that montage of media reaction I played, suggested that what your comments get to is that

00:24:07.660 the only valid version of America is a white woman who stays at home. So that's your position, 1.00

00:24:16.440 according to her. You only value white stay-at-home moms. 1.00

00:24:21.480 It's just so disgusting, Megan. And look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she's who she is. 0.98

00:24:27.320 Obviously, she's not a white person and we've been attacked by some white supremacists over that. 0.61

00:24:31.620 But I just I love Usha. She's such a good mom. She's such a brilliant lawyer. And I'm so proud

00:24:37.360 of her. But yes, her experience has given me some perspective in the way in which it's really hard

00:24:42.740 for working families in this country. And a big part, you know, this Megan going back years well

00:24:47.320 before I was in politics, I've always wanted to be the kind of person who supports parents and

00:24:52.960 fulfilling their dreams and having as many kids as they want to. It's profoundly important for our

00:24:58.160 society. We have no future without kids. People people forget that. If you don't have children,

00:25:03.280 you do not have a future. You cannot import the next generation. You've got to actually have stable, 0.97

00:25:09.460 healthy, happy families. President Trump and I, our entire agenda is about promoting it,

00:25:15.080 promoting schools that are good for kids, bringing down housing costs so that if young families want to

00:25:19.540 start a family, they can afford to. These are the things that are important in our public policy and in

00:25:25.040 our discourse. I'm going to keep on fighting for Megan. I'm actually glad the left has attacked me

00:25:30.140 over this because I think it started an important conversation about how our society became so

00:25:35.400 profoundly anti-family. I get it. So you're saying, just for the record, you value stepmothers. You

00:25:42.300 value people who have nephews and nieces. You're not, you're basically just trying to make the point

00:25:47.660 that children are valuable and that we need more of them, not people like this who are making it very

00:25:53.520 clear that they don't want kids or that they actually have to factor in environmental causes

00:25:58.440 to their desire to have children. And I'll give you AOC in 2019, number five.

00:26:04.780 Scientific consensus that the lives of children are going to be very difficult and it does lead,

00:26:11.080 I think, young people to have a legitimate question. You know, should, is it okay to still have

00:26:19.300 children? According to my morning consult, one third of young people agree with that sentiment,

00:26:25.900 one third. And those obviously are Democrats. It's not going to be conservatives thinking that

00:26:30.400 considering not having kids because these catastrophic environmental forecasts, which,

00:26:35.300 you know, don't come true. So they've given up their, the joy of having a child over these

00:26:40.840 catastrophic forecasts. They're getting from Greta Turnberg. I do want to say this,

00:26:44.560 um, the same people lecturing you right now on this issue, this comment, this throwaway comment

00:26:51.180 or whatever the position are the same people pushing through the revised title nine. That's

00:26:57.280 going to force my daughter and eventually yours. If we don't change things to shower with biological 1.00

00:27:02.420 boys when they're in the fourth grade, when they're in the eighth grade, when they're in the 10th grade

00:27:06.360 compete against biological boys who could hurt them in sports like volleyball, soccer, field hockey,

00:27:11.300 all of which we've seen, um, and who are just fine mutilating people like Chloe Cole, who at 15 1.00

00:27:18.720 had her mistaken, had, had her depression mistaken for gender confusion. And they chopped off her 1.00

00:27:23.840 breasts after one meeting with that. They're fine with that Senator. Fine. They're totally fine with 0.97

00:27:30.400 that. Megan. If you want to talk about childless women, let's talk about the victims of migrant crime 1.00

00:27:35.500 under Kamala Harris's administration, people who have been deprived of their children because we've

00:27:41.040 led in violent criminals into this country who have killed American citizens. Let's absolutely 0.68

00:27:45.160 talk about the fact that they have become pro mutilation of children. The Democrats have

00:27:50.180 completely lost the plot here. And again, of course we love step-moms. We love aunts and uncles. You

00:27:56.140 know, Megan, I was raised by a whole collection of step-parents, aunts and uncles, and grandparents.

00:28:01.640 We love all of these people, but we want to make life easier for them because of that. And we have to,

00:28:07.460 we have to accept Megan, that our country has become anti-family. You see it in our birth rate. You see

00:28:14.500 it in how many young people to your point say that they don't want to have children. This is a crazy

00:28:19.200 change that's happened just in the past 20 or 30 years. I'm not going to stand by while it happens.

00:28:24.340 I think it's important for us to call it out. We're going to keep on doing that. Even if the left

00:28:27.860 attacks us, especially if the left attacks us, because sometimes it's the truest and most important

00:28:33.560 points that caused them to attack you the most. I went out there to Ohio. I met you and Usha. I met

00:28:39.920 aunt we, I met your extended family. I remember. Absolutely wonderful, beautiful people. And yes,

00:28:45.340 you have amongst the closest family bonds of anybody I've ever known, which is why it was weird for me,

00:28:51.120 having read your book back in 16, done an in-depth profile of you in 17 to hear Governor Beshear of

00:28:59.280 Kentucky, where you were born and spent your early years, attack you as like a fake hillbilly,

00:29:08.060 as sort of appropriating their culture. I've got to play a little bit of this because I'd love to

00:29:13.560 get your reaction. Here he is. J.D. Vance is a phony. He's fake. I mean, he first says that Donald

00:29:22.180 Trump is like Hitler and now he's acting like he's Lincoln. I mean, the problem with J.D. Vance is he

00:29:28.840 has no conviction, but I guess his running mate has 34. He claims to be from Eastern Kentucky,

00:29:35.480 tries to write a book about it to profit off our people, and then he calls us lazy. And this makes

00:29:41.140 me angry, but it especially makes me angry about our people in Eastern Kentucky. Listen, these are

00:29:46.420 the hardworking coal miners that powered the industrial revolution, that helped build the

00:29:52.200 strongest middle class the world has ever seen, helped us win two world wars, and he called them

00:29:58.320 lazy, acting like he understands our culture, and he's one of us. He's not.

00:30:05.240 Yet another VP hopeful on the Harris ticket. Your thoughts?

00:30:10.040 Well, first of all, in Eastern Kentucky, people call Steve or Andy Beshear, I should say,

00:30:14.540 Lexington liberals, because the guy has no connection to Eastern Kentucky. This is a guy,

00:30:19.120 Megan, who got his first law firm job from his daddy's law firm, who inherited the governorship 0.97

00:30:23.960 from his daddy, who's never had to work for anything his entire life. And what he said about

00:30:28.560 me is despicable. You know, I have deep connections to Eastern Kentucky. I spent a lot of my early life

00:30:33.000 there. I still have a lot of family that's there. But most importantly, he is supporting Kamala Harris,

00:30:38.540 who wants to put all of those coal miners out of work. She supports banning fracking. She supports 1.00

00:30:43.780 destroying the livelihood that has served as the foundation for a lot of those families. So he wants to

00:30:48.820 come after me and my personal story. The guy was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. And we all

00:30:53.700 know that if his preferred candidate Kamala Harris wins, those people will be in deep poverty, and our

00:30:59.880 country is going to have skyrocketing energy prices. That is not standing up for people. That's lying to

00:31:06.100 people and using these weird personal attacks to conceal the fact that Kamala Harris has the most 1.00

00:31:11.180 anti-energy policies we've ever seen in a candidate. And it's going to be people in Eastern Kentucky

00:31:16.120 and Pennsylvania and Michigan who are going to hurt the most if Kamala Harris gets in there 1.00

00:31:21.000 and bans natural gas and bans coal, which is exactly what she said she wants to do.

00:31:26.180 The same media that is obsessing every day over your comments in a throwaway interview with Tucker

00:31:32.280 three years ago. And that one phrase is not covering any of that with respect to Kamala Harris.

00:31:38.680 They are not getting into the fact that she wants to take away private health insurance,

00:31:42.180 the fact that she wants to ban fracking, the fact that she wants to get rid of the filibuster so she

00:31:46.060 can push through the Green New Deal. We could go on. Ben Carson was on with Tucker and said today the

00:31:52.800 media is trying to make her into MLK in address. What's your reaction to the coronation of Kamala

00:32:00.700 Harris as the nominee and the complete whitewashing of her policy history? 0.65

00:32:08.500 Yeah, well, I was talking with President Trump about this last night, Megan. We had dinner and,

00:32:13.100 you know, for three weeks, the media was honest about Joe Biden and they were honest in the service

00:32:18.100 of cynical politics. They lied for years about Joe Biden's mental acuity and they decided to be

00:32:24.060 honest because they knew that they could force him out of the race. And now that they forced him out of 0.99

00:32:27.740 the race, they've gone back to dishonesty. They completely ignore that Kamala Harris is the most

00:32:33.420 liberal senator in the country. She was the most liberal senator when she served. She's the border

00:32:39.040 czar at a time of historic open borders. She's encouraged illegal immigration, even though it's

00:32:44.400 brought in a ton of fentanyl that's killed a lot of innocent people. She wants to ban fracking, 0.97

00:32:49.220 which would destroy manufacturing and energy in this country. She has on every single issue stood

00:32:55.760 for the far left of the Democratic Party instead of working people in this country. This is not a

00:33:01.240 hard case to make. And as much as the media is going to lie about Kamala Harris, I wouldn't even say

00:33:05.840 she's like a mixture. According to the press, she's like a mixture of MLK and Abraham Lincoln,

00:33:11.980 right? She can do no wrong. The problem is her record is her record, Megan, and she can't run away

00:33:17.640 from it. We cannot let people who are going to destroy the American manufacturing and energy

00:33:22.660 economy take over the reins of power. We've seen it for three and a half years. It's been bad.

00:33:27.760 It's going to be a lot worse when you get somebody who's even more liberal than Biden in there.

00:33:32.200 And yet the polls are tightening. You've seen that. There was just one out hit late last night,

00:33:36.880 New York Times, Siena, Trump 48, Harris 47. That last poll in early July had Trump plus six

00:33:42.940 over Joe Biden. And then we had Emerson polling on yesterday, and they were talking about how it's

00:33:48.360 getting tighter in the swing states, too, including Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, now that she's

00:33:53.300 on the ticket. So to Republicans feeling, you know, who were feeling euphoric at the RNC that this is

00:34:00.500 going to be a slam dunk, slam dunk, what's your message? Well, look, we have to work, Megan. We have to

00:34:08.060 run through the finish line. This election is not going to be easy. Obviously, Kamala Harris is going 1.00

00:34:12.440 through a bit of a honeymoon phase. We all expect the polls to tighten a little bit. But I think the

00:34:17.000 structure of this race is fundamentally very simple. Do you want higher inflation? Do you want

00:34:22.360 lower prices on groceries and housing? If you want higher inflation, vote for Kamala Harris. If you 1.00

00:34:28.780 want lower prices, vote for Donald Trump. Do you want a wide open border? Then vote for Kamala 0.97

00:34:33.120 Harris. If you want to close down that border and get the drug dealers and the fentanyl out of our

00:34:37.080 communities, vote for President Trump. The contrast is very simple. Kamala Harris has supported all of

00:34:42.960 the most unpopular policies. So, yeah, she's going to get a little bit of a honeymoon, Megan. But the

00:34:47.280 truth is the truth. She's extremely liberal. Her policies have been bad for this country. They'd be even 1.00

00:34:52.460 worse if we gave her another four years. We can't do that. And I think Americans are smart enough to

00:34:56.740 recognize that. We just have to prosecute our case, get our voters out there, make sure people are

00:35:01.160 knocking on doors and getting the message out. That is the job of a presidential campaign. And I feel

00:35:06.200 very good about where we are. Meanwhile, Joe Biden has admitted he can't serve a second term,

00:35:10.740 but has not admitted that he probably shouldn't be serving this one and the remaining six months.

00:35:16.220 We're in a provocative position now with respect to our security as world leaders take a look at

00:35:20.580 what we all saw from the Oval Office the other night and the days and weeks before. And I wonder

00:35:25.800 your feelings on whether the sitting president needs to step down. Well, look, Megan, we have a

00:35:31.620 constitutional process, the 25th Amendment. If the president can't run for president,

00:35:35.560 how can he possibly serve as president? And it drives home how much this was totally a cynical

00:35:40.480 political ploy. This is not about public service. Kamala Harris lied, Megan, for an entire presidential 1.00

00:35:46.860 term about Joe Biden's mental fitness. She only told the truth when she saw an opportunity to cast him

00:35:53.360 aside and the entire Democratic Party saw an opportunity to cast him aside to salvage their political

00:35:58.920 prospects. They saddled America for three and a half years with a president who can't do the job

00:36:04.660 and they only changed their minds when they recognized there was a political opportunity

00:36:08.960 to get rid of him. That is not public service. That is political cynicism in a way that's made

00:36:13.820 our country so much weaker, Megan. And we have to call that out. And importantly, if Joe Biden cannot

00:36:19.620 do the job, he's got to step down. And I don't know anybody who's watched Biden over the last few

00:36:24.760 weeks who can say with confidence, this is a guy who could actually serve as president of the United

00:36:28.820 States. The fact that Democrats are still covering for him drives home how shameful their conduct has

00:36:34.000 been over the last few years. So, I mean, when you say he can't serve as president, do you because

00:36:41.160 that are you saying he should step down? Because, of course, that would elevate her and that might make

00:36:45.640 her tougher to beat. I don't think it would make her tougher to beat. But Joe Biden cannot continue to

00:36:50.760 serve as president if he can't do the job. Right. This is not about politics, Megan. This is about

00:36:54.820 do we have somebody who can actually do the job as president. Clearly, Joe Biden can't. The Democrats

00:37:00.660 have lied about that fact. And most importantly, because it's only six months, we've just got to remind

00:37:05.720 the American people that the reason why we have a president who can't do the job is because Kamala 1.00

00:37:10.620 Harris lied to people. Remember, she said that he was sharp as a tack just a few months ago. She said that he

00:37:15.740 was totally capable of doing the job and the entire Democratic Party joined her. We now know they were

00:37:22.060 lying to us. And the only way to penalize that dishonesty is to vote them out in November.

00:37:27.460 That's what I'm trying to convince every American to do. You know, one of the main concerns, as you

00:37:31.880 know, voters have in this election is the economy. I mean, it just the economy and immigration remain 0.55

00:37:36.160 one in two, depending on the day they reverse positions. And I don't I haven't seen the evidence

00:37:42.160 that Kamala Harris has any ability to address the economy. We've seen what she's done at the border, 0.99

00:37:47.280 although they're now denying all responsibility for it, though. Every single paper,

00:37:50.320 the New York Times, the Washington Post, all whether they use the term borders are or not,

00:37:53.760 usually they did, said she had been appointed in the lead position over it. But here's the thing.

00:38:00.360 Her approach to the country and I assume to the economy as well, continues to go back to this

00:38:08.900 term of equity. She sees any difference in America's economic position or any position as relating to

00:38:16.920 equity and our problems with it in America. And she explained it herself in this mashup that

00:38:22.840 forgive me, I don't know who put it together, but we'll we'll get it. I wanted to place some of her

00:38:27.320 thoughts on it and get your reaction on that issue of equity versus equality in SOT 26.

00:38:32.180 So there's a big difference between equality and equity. Equality suggests often everybody should

00:38:41.320 get the same thing. Well, that often assumes everybody started out in the same place.

00:38:48.460 As opposed to equity, which is everyone should end up in the same place. And if you then understand not

00:38:55.800 everybody started out in the same place, you understand some people need more.

00:39:00.840 So we all end up in the same place. Right. And being guided by this principle

00:39:05.920 of what we must do in the spirit and in the interest of equity to put equity firmly at the center

00:39:15.940 of our economic policy. That was by a Twitter account called and wokeness was a great follow.

00:39:24.000 What do you make of this notion? It's totally crazy talk, Megan. Look,

00:39:29.280 I think most Americans, regardless of their skin color, would say we want people to work hard to

00:39:34.220 actually get ahead. Right. We want people who benefit from this great American system to benefit

00:39:39.980 if they work hard and play by the rules. You can't say everybody has to end up in the same place

00:39:44.080 because some people are going to work a little bit harder than others. And that's fine. And we want

00:39:48.120 those people to be rewarded. The other crazy thing about this, Megan, is it justifies some really

00:39:53.020 monstrous discrimination from the Harris administration in the name of so-called

00:39:57.660 equity? Let's just take one example. There was a farm program that the Harris administration put in

00:40:02.500 place to help farmers who are trying to get off, get off to a start in farming. A great program,

00:40:08.680 something I support, but I think it should apply to farmers, whether they're white or black or any

00:40:13.400 other skin color. The Harris administration explicitly said, if you're a white farmer, don't apply.

00:40:19.260 A court found that that was illegal. And that monstrous level of discrimination based on skin

00:40:24.400 color is what is justified when people start appealing to equity instead of equality under

00:40:30.480 the law. The fundamental American principle is we treat everybody the same. If you work a little

00:40:35.440 bit harder, you should be rewarded for it. If you don't work as hard, you shouldn't be rewarded for

00:40:39.840 it. But you don't discriminate against people based on their skin color because you have some crazy 0.99

00:40:44.920 left wing notion that you have to put everybody at the exact same place at the end of the day.

00:40:49.520 It sounds kind of okay, kind of weird, depending on your perspective. But if you think about what

00:40:54.980 it justifies in our government, it is taking us back 50 years discrimination under the, on the basis

00:41:01.420 of law, discrimination on the basis of skin color. It's bad news, Megan. And I don't think we should go

00:41:07.140 for it. It sounds kind of communist is what it sounds. And it's pretty alarming that,

00:41:12.920 that decision you made, you referenced about, um, the Biden Harris administration on the

00:41:17.360 farmers and the ranchers would give the, uh, the, the help to black farmers, irrespective of their

00:41:25.080 financial situation. So literally Oprah Winfrey could say she has this ranch out in Montecito and

00:41:31.640 that she wanted to take advantage of the program and she would get it. And some struggling farmer or 1.00

00:41:36.560 rancher in Appalachia would be denied if he happened to be white. It was insane and discrimination on

00:41:42.680 the basis of race is illegal. And so that's why it was struck down. You know, it wasn't so long ago

00:41:48.440 that the same people piling on you now, joy Reed, who says you only care about white moms who want

00:41:53.520 to stay at home, even though you're married to a nonwhite mom who is not staying at home. 0.83

00:41:58.760 Um, just crazy talk. They were in love with you after hillbilly elegy until, you know,

00:42:05.020 cause they thought you were like a Trump whisperer. You were the guy who could help them understand the

00:42:08.460 evil man who had ascended to the presidency. But there was an interesting exchange that you had

00:42:13.320 on joy Reed show back in the day. This is 16 discussing your book. We pulled it up just for

00:42:19.340 kicks. Here it is. Katie, thank you so much for being here. I have read so many think pieces about

00:42:24.920 your book, uh, and so seen so many interviews with you. I have the book right here. Can't wait

00:42:28.620 to dive into it. Um, but your story, first of all, is fascinating. So the way you went from,

00:42:34.240 um, sort of rust belt country to Yale. One of the things that's really fascinating about your story,

00:42:38.360 JD is how similar some of the pathologies you talk about, um, are to the pathologies that normally

00:42:43.900 people assigned to African-Americans, right? That, you know, these ideas about the way you're raised,

00:42:48.060 you're raised mostly by your grandparents, um, the way that you were able to use opportunity like

00:42:52.220 the military to get a college degree. That's very familiar across racial lines. So why do you suppose

00:42:57.040 there's such a huge gulf and distance ideologically between African-Americans, um, and people from

00:43:04.480 where you, uh, like the ones you came from? Well, obviously a lot of it goes back to 40 or 50 years

00:43:10.160 ago when, when the two groups sort of diverged because of, of, of certain policies that were

00:43:15.360 supported. A big part of it is just that because of the way that black Americans have been discriminated

00:43:19.820 against legally, I think black Americans have tended to focus on a politics of, of race and which party

00:43:25.320 is going to provide the most racial uplift or tear down the most legal barriers. Whereas white 0.91

00:43:30.200 Americans have typically voted, um, their pocketbook voted, uh, politics of class. And so they've, 0.82

00:43:35.880 they've tended to, to not necessarily overlap. Pretty fascinating. By the way, you look so young.

00:43:41.260 It's a crazy what's happened to you in the past eight years. It was before the beard, Megan. That's

00:43:46.520 a long time ago. Well, yeah, I feel like Usha has done a good job with you, JD. You're kind of,

00:43:51.480 you know, you're sharper dressing and you got, I like the beard. Um, yeah, you're gonna chill.

00:43:56.680 You're gonna chill out with that. She's already, she's already arrogant enough about, uh, about a 1.00

00:44:00.320 lot of things she deserves to be. Uh, but I think you were making good point there. And I think,

00:44:06.120 you know, even joy read could see it back then now, maybe not. Well, look, it's, it's very simple.

00:44:12.480 And actually I think it started to change by the way, Megan, I think you see a lot of black and white

00:44:16.240 Americans voting more along class lines, voting more along who's actually best for me. There are 0.99

00:44:21.640 a lot of black energy workers who are not going to benefit from the policies of a Harris administration

00:44:25.420 to destroy the American energy industry. So I do think that's slowly starting to change,

00:44:29.760 but it is interesting to sort of hear how fascinated these people were with my story five,

00:44:36.340 10 years ago. And now that I am on the presidential ticket, they've decided that I'm the worst possible

00:44:42.300 guy in the world. It's, it's fascinating to me. It's not surprising Megan. And it's kind of what

00:44:47.400 I signed up for, right? I mean, I, I want to make people's lives better. My, my whole idea here.

00:44:52.100 And the reason I accepted, uh, president Trump's invitation to join the ticket is because I think 1.00

00:44:56.700 that Americans have been screwed over by a lot of stupid policies. I'd like to change that. And if 0.99

00:45:01.560 the cost of changing that as people like joy read used to say nice things about me, and now they lie

00:45:06.240 about me, whatever, as Harry, as Truman said, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I think

00:45:11.200 it's an honor to be here and everything that comes along with it. I just see as a necessary part of

00:45:15.820 having to do this job. When Trump named you as his running mate, uh, we did, we revisited some of your

00:45:21.740 bio. And one of the points I made that day was this is a man whose life has been formed by strong

00:45:28.060 women. That's very clear. That's a fact, right? It's not spin, uh, from mama, your, your grandma to 0.69

00:45:35.860 your mom, though it was a complicated relationship and remain. So I'm sure to your sister, Lindsay,

00:45:40.420 with whom you're very close to aunt we, and then you move on to Yale law school. And there's Amy

00:45:46.400 Chua, our mutual friend who we love, who encouraged you to write the book and change your life and saw

00:45:51.880 in you this special story in person that ultimately would lead you to enter the national conversation.

00:45:58.240 And then Usha, who you met at Yale law school, who I know has been responsible in large part for

00:46:03.200 teaching you how to love, how to be in relationship, how to conquer some of those childhood

00:46:08.520 demons. So to me, it's, it's a great success story of not just dating Vance, but of American women,

00:46:15.360 strong American women from mama with her guns and her love of the F bomb to your own mom with her 0.84

00:46:23.540 addiction problems. Though she managed to make her imprint, um, to the beautiful Lindsay,

00:46:29.120 the sisterly love who beat herself up for not protecting you more ultimately to this more

00:46:33.820 sophisticated, incredible dynamic wife, Usha, who's taking you on the next leg of the journey. 0.98

00:46:40.060 So how do you see those women in like your arc with them, JD?

00:46:44.880 Well, I think it is the through line of my life, Megan, that there have been strong women who have

00:46:48.520 made it possible for me to have a good life. And you mentioned mamaw. I've heard so many mamaw

00:46:53.220 stories from friends and family just in the last few days, you know, people who've come out of the

00:46:57.600 woodwork, obviously, because we gave this speech at the RNC convention. And you know what, one story

00:47:02.400 I heard Megan, uh, just a couple of days ago from my aunt is, you know, we were in a car and I was

00:47:07.740 so young. I just forgotten this story. And we were driving to Eastern Kentucky and a motorcyclist pulls

00:47:13.900 up and he's kind of swerving and he's being aggressive and he's just being really ridiculous 0.53

00:47:17.620 and kind of scaring us in the car. And I pointed it out, my aunt points it out, she's driving

00:47:22.980 and mamaw reaches underneath her seat, pulls out a 44 Magnum and taps it on the window. And this guy

00:47:29.540 sort of almost swerves and crashes his motorcycle. Well, that was the end of the motorcycle harassment.

00:47:34.220 And that's just the type of person mamaw was, right? She was just this incredibly strong person. 1.00

00:47:39.500 And yeah, you know, Usha is more sophisticated in the ways of the world, but I think what is what

00:47:44.040 sort of unites them is one, they're very tough to they're incredibly protective of their family.

00:47:49.180 Three, they're very smart, right? Mamaw wasn't well-educated, but she was a very brilliant

00:47:53.660 person. And you know, the, the, the only downside I'll say of Usha is I asked the convention planners,

00:48:00.060 I said, what about having my wife introduced me before my speech? I'm not making that mistake ever

00:48:05.580 again, Megan, because she, she did such a good job and I was so proud of her, but I'm not going to

00:48:10.820 have to follow that act ever again. Right. I'm going to make President Trump. She, she really was.

00:48:16.120 And she, she just, her nature, like the way she projects is self-deprecating nature is what makes 0.98

00:48:21.020 her so attractive and charming. Yeah. And, and, you know, and she's just herself. And, you know,

00:48:26.500 what, what I was worried about having never been in the spotlight is I just want you, honey, to be,

00:48:31.660 I said this to Usha, I just want you to be who you are because I love you. The world's going to fall

00:48:36.600 in love with you. And she just went out there. She didn't accept the speech writer's speech. She wrote

00:48:40.980 her own speech, said exactly what she wanted to say. And she did such a good job with it. And I just,

00:48:46.000 you know, as, as a guy who's very in love with his wife, I was very, very proud of her, but

00:48:50.060 not following that speech again, Megan. So how did you feel when you got the call from Trump?

00:48:54.820 You know, you and I talked when you were, you weren't even in politics, you would just return

00:48:57.940 to Ohio from San Francisco. You were telling me you just couldn't take like the people openly

00:49:02.320 defecating on the sidewalks. It was a lot from this kid, this kid from the Midwest and you weren't 1.00

00:49:08.420 even in politics. And now, you know, flash forward eight years later, you get the call from

00:49:11.920 president Trump asking you to be his running mate. How did he put it to you? How did he ask you and

00:49:15.960 how did it feel? Well, the funny thing, Megan, is we're in the hotel room in Milwaukee. We had just

00:49:21.460 arrived. He apparently called and I didn't see the call because it went straight to voicemail or

00:49:26.100 something. So I call him back and he answers the phone. He says, you know, JD, you missed a very

00:49:31.580 important phone call. Maybe I'll have to give this to somebody else. So my heart kind of stops.

00:49:36.480 Right. And I tense up really, really powerfully. But the funniest thing, Megan, is because we're in

00:49:42.400 the hotel room with my seven year old kid, he's talking about his Pokemon cards. Right. So I'm

00:49:48.300 trying to have this conversation with the president of the United States offering me the vice presidential

00:49:52.440 nod. And in the background, my seven year old's talking about Pikachu. I'm like, God, for the love

00:49:56.700 of God, son, for 30 seconds, just let me have this conversation. And it's funny. The president

00:50:02.360 hears him and says, put him on the phone and then asks my seven year old, what do you think about

00:50:08.260 this statement I'm about to put out nominating your your dad for vice president? And my son listens

00:50:13.900 to it and says, oh, that sounds nice. And it's just such a surreal moment. My wife actually got a

00:50:20.640 photo of me on the phone with the president. You know, what an honor. Right. I mean, that's the thing

00:50:25.740 that I try to just remind myself of every single day is I didn't come from anything material. Right.

00:50:32.420 I did not have the advantages of a lot of people in politics, but I had an incredibly loving family

00:50:37.400 and I just feel so grateful to have this opportunity. And as I said to the convention,

00:50:42.480 Megan, that the most important thing that I think I can bring to the ticket is to never forget where I

00:50:46.980 came from, to never forget the perspective of people who are struggling. Like, you know, it's people

00:50:51.620 like Mamaw who really suffer when grocery prices go up as much as they have under the Harris 1.00

00:50:56.740 administration. It's people like mom who struggled with addiction, but she's been clean for 10 years

00:51:01.720 now, who really, really struggle when you have this poisonous fentanyl coming across our southern

00:51:06.600 border. So I just want to remember where I came from, serve the people who made me who I am. And I think

00:51:12.160 if I do that, I'll be a fine vice president and the country will be better for it. But that's my goal.

00:51:16.220 Hmm. Senator and vice presidential nominee, J.D. Vance, what a pleasure. Great to see you again.

00:51:23.560 Hope you come back. Thanks, Megan. See ya. And thanks to all of you for joining us today. Wow.

00:51:29.000 Would love your thoughts on our interview and this controversy and this ticket and how you like the

00:51:35.460 chances, even though the race is tightening. You can email me, Megan, M-E-G-Y-N at MeganKelley.com.

00:51:42.820 Or you can go to our website, MeganKelley.com and sign up for our once a week email where we give you

00:51:48.860 all the news in 60 seconds or less. What a fascinating guy. He's so interesting. It's

00:51:53.360 amazing to me to see the media pile on this guy like he's the devil. Does he seem like the devil

00:51:58.020 to you? It's just absurd at the same time when they're running cover for her, literally scrubbing

00:52:03.100 her record. You know, you got websites calling her the most liberal, nonpartisan websites calling 1.00

00:52:08.800 her the most liberal senator in the Senate. Now scrubbing that just happened to scrub it this 1.00

00:52:13.380 week. You know, they say, oh, that was our policy. Every once in a while, like every year or so,

00:52:17.000 we take another. Oh, really? Just happened to hit this week that you decided to make her not

00:52:20.240 the most liberal senator. By the time they had labeled her that, her senatorial days were over.

00:52:25.800 So what changed in terms of her liberal Senate policies? Nothing. She ran for president. 1.00

00:52:31.580 The borders are nonsense. Do you know how many times the mainstream media called her that?

00:52:36.380 And forget that label just said she was in charge of the border. She'd been placed in charge of the

00:52:40.060 border in the lead position in charge of the border. Now it's like, what border? What? That

00:52:44.400 was my Orcas. That media has decided to make these comments some national hurricane. And it's not going

00:52:51.660 to be just this. We talked about this the other day because Kamala Harris is a woman of mixed race. 1.00

00:52:58.540 They are going to make everything about race and gender, right? She's, um, Asian, she's Indian, 1.00

00:53:06.780 and she's, uh, black. Her dad was Jamaican and her, her mom was, um, trying to remember exactly,

00:53:14.720 but she's from India. Um, in any event, everything is going to make, is going to be about race and 0.98

00:53:21.340 gender. And so any small comment that he's ever made, of course, that Trump's ever made

00:53:26.540 is going to be ginned up and turned into a national news story because this is how they

00:53:30.180 motivate their base. The Republicans are racist. The Republicans are sexist. We're the only good 0.99

00:53:36.220 party. Ignore the fact that we're going to mutilate your 14 year olds. Ignore the fact that your daughter's 0.97

00:53:43.400 going to face partial paralysis in a volleyball game because we insist on making biological boys have 0.99

00:53:50.220 access to her sports and her private spaces. That's pro woman. Even if you're too stupid to 0.98

00:53:55.780 understand it, the trick is just so old and watching them all rush to condemn, you know, 1.00

00:54:03.040 a comment like this, it's just gotten so tiresome. I've seen it so many times now when it first

00:54:08.240 happens to you and you haven't been out there. Maybe some of our young viewers are experiencing

00:54:11.760 this. It might seem genuine. Oh no. Like they're really mad. Like, this is bad. What he said.

00:54:16.860 Once you get to be my old age, you start to see the patterns for what they are. This is a

00:54:22.660 manipulation. Why do you think the potential vice presidential running mates to her are all 1.00

00:54:29.380 over J.D. Vance? Do you think it's genuine outrage? Sure. Sure. You know, it's just not to

00:54:36.160 mention the number of things that the left has said about women that they're fine with. You know,

00:54:40.800 they, what are they, they were calling Casey DeSantis, the Walmart Melania. They called Melania

00:54:48.080 Trump in the New York times, a mannequin when Trump was running the first time they've called

00:54:53.620 Casey DeSantis and others. Um, what is it? Uh, the step, uh, not Stefford. The, uh, what's the show?

00:55:00.960 The handmaid's tale. Like that. There's some sort of handmade tale version of life. Not to mention what

00:55:06.160 they said about Amy Coney Barrett, same thing. They were wearing those handmade tales outfit at her,

00:55:10.440 at her confirmation hearings. That's fine. You can do all of that to Republican women. 1.00

00:55:17.400 You can say as Gloria Steinem did about Sarah Palin, uh, a woman only a man could love. That's 1.00

00:55:22.920 no problem. But if you use the phrase childless cat lady in sort of a flip moment on Fox news,

00:55:29.400 on a cable news show where, you know, that's, that's where you go to be flip. 0.99

00:55:32.640 But you're the devil. All right. We report. You decide Megan at Megan Kelly.com. Thanks for 0.98

00:55:39.340 listening. Have a great weekend. We'll see you Monday. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly

00:55:46.300 show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Tucker Carlson Show - July 29, 2024

Bonus： JD Vance with Megyn Kelly, on Democrats' Anti-Family Policies and Media Lies

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