The Tucker Carlson Show - BREAKING： Congress Moves to Commit Treason and Allow Israel to Forever Enslave America’s Military

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00:00:30.000 Dennis Kucinich, thank you for doing this.

00:00:36.640 So a lot of us who've been paying half attention keep hearing that there's an effort in the Congress to, in some basic sense, merge the U.S. military with the IDF with the Israeli military.

00:00:48.220 Same with our intelligence services.

00:00:50.940 It's hard to believe that could be true.

00:00:52.700 Is it true?

00:00:53.460 What do you know about it?

00:00:54.420 Well, the National Defense Authorization Act of 2027, Section 219, has a provision that provides for the integration of the IDF and the U.S. military at the top, most sensitive levels of our military operations.

00:01:17.840 And that is a fact.

00:01:19.680 Now, when you have an integration and you say you're going to eliminate duplication, that's a merger.

00:01:29.740 And so they're merging.

00:01:32.200 And the U.S. military and Israeli military.

00:01:36.420 Yeah, and in specific areas like artificial intelligence and autonomous functioning of vehicles, you know, that will increase the kill efficiency, right?

00:01:51.240 Yes.

00:01:51.460 in quantum sensing that deals with very sophisticated data

00:02:00.740 and will blur the distinction between offense and defense, okay?

00:02:07.920 Cyber-electronic war is another area they want to merge in,

00:02:13.500 which you can't really, you know, if you take AI

00:02:18.320 and you match it with these sophisticated technologies,

00:02:24.160 you expand the ability to hurt people, really, to kill people.

00:02:30.640 You know, they want to merge missile defense,

00:02:36.700 space defense, directed energy.

00:02:42.000 There's a whole range of things.

00:02:43.480 and biological technology, including potential biological warfare, what could go wrong, right?

00:02:52.960 See, and I look at it this way, Tucker.

00:02:57.740 The first issue is American sovereignty. 0.97

00:03:00.320 I don't care Israel or whoever.

00:03:02.540 We need to maintain our sovereignty.

00:03:04.940 We cannot cause another country to be involved in the decision-makings that relate to the national security of the United States of America.

00:03:12.580 Yes.

00:03:12.940 We have to be singular and solitary in that regard.

00:03:16.300 Unfortunately, this provision in this bill, all the safeguards go out the window.

00:03:24.080 And essentially, it's a merger, and, you know, one step from a merger is an acquisition.

00:03:29.000 I am, yeah, really, you know, think about that.

00:03:33.000 And think about this, too, in this context.

00:03:35.580 We had kind of a quasi, kind of a practice run of this merger in Iran.

00:03:42.940 look what happened you know the the israel uh the united states at the behest of israel

00:03:50.600 goes in and attacks imran yeah working with israel on this it ended up being a

00:03:56.660 disaster on so many different levels so that's what we've already found out from that kind of 0.82

00:04:03.440 a cooperation let's say and now imagine if you get two parties together and they go forward from

00:04:09.280 there, what, you know, again, what could go wrong? The United States must remain sovereign. We must

00:04:15.240 not in any way seed this idea of Israel being integrated, the militaries of the U.S. and Israel

00:04:26.060 being integrated. The other thing is, it's unconstitutional. I mean, really, they bypassed 0.57

00:04:33.500 the treaty mechanism. You know, we joined NATO as a treaty. There's no treaty or it's just in

00:04:38.480 legislation. This should be going to the Senate, at least, for approval. Not so, just to put in

00:04:43.740 legislation, make it happen. And also, people, you know, the president is the commander-in-chief

00:04:49.460 of U.S. Armed Forces, each of whom take an oath to defend a constitution.

00:04:57.140 First of all, Israel doesn't have a constitution. Secondly, they're not taking any oath to the

00:05:00.740 United States of America to protect our interests. So what is this about? Why are we becoming more

00:05:07.560 vulnerable to a nation whose, you know, whose military values are so distinct from ours.

00:05:17.320 Well, I mean, there's so many levels here. I mean, just to address that, of all the militaries you

00:05:23.920 could merge with, why pick the only one on the planet that's currently committing genocide?

00:05:29.320 I mean, it does seem grotesque of all the militaries on the planet.

00:05:33.860 So it does seem like this changes the dynamic between the United States and Israel completely were it to become law. 0.82

00:05:43.940 Because as it presently stands, the United States is Israel's benefactor.

00:05:49.080 Israel can't fight seven wars or whatever, how many fronts they have at any given time without the United States paying for most of it, which we do. 0.73

00:05:57.660 And so we can withdraw the support and thereby control, at least theoretically, control Israel's behavior. 0.84

00:06:03.040 We never have, but we could. 0.82

00:06:04.920 This would, if it becomes law, integrate the militaries to such an extent that the United States would actually be at the mercy of Israel. 0.61

00:06:14.800 So Israel withdraws technology and the United States military is hamstrung. 0.72

00:06:18.160 So it would actually put Israel in the driver's seat. 0.70

00:06:20.680 That's right. 1.00

00:06:22.200 100% correct.

00:06:24.160 And as such, it's adverse to the national security interests of the United States of America.

00:06:30.140 But we cannot be in a situation where there's no oversight.

00:06:38.360 Congress is out of the picture once this thing passes.

00:06:40.940 What does that mean? How?

00:06:41.860 What it means is that this is run in the Defense Department with a coordinator.

00:06:49.500 And that just like the daily business of the Department of Defense moves on, this becomes part of the daily business.

00:06:56.580 This integration, this coordination.

00:06:58.300 So no more votes.

00:06:59.420 No more votes.

00:07:00.140 No, not on these matters, no. And even more important is this. The National Defense Authorization Act authorizes $1.5 trillion annually. 80% of the discretionary budget of the United States of America is now going for military. I mean, that's horrific to begin with.

00:07:27.500 80% of America's discretionary budget, total discretionary budget, is going to the military?

00:07:32.020 The discretionary budget of the United States of America is about $1.9 trillion.

00:07:37.800 You know, we can spend money on education.

00:07:40.440 We can spend money on health care.

00:07:41.880 We can spend money on food, nutrition programs.

00:07:44.860 Infrastructure.

00:07:46.000 Infrastructure, yes.

00:07:47.900 Or we can choose to spend money on the military.

00:07:50.860 And President Trump has made his own case that, well, you know, we've got to protect our country.

00:07:57.500 But there's questions as to whether this is in our national security interest.

00:08:02.740 And $1.5 trillion annually, that is a 67% increase over the previous year.

00:08:10.780 The budget was $900 billion.

00:08:13.760 Now it's $1.5 trillion.

00:08:16.400 Think of that increase of $600 billion in one year.

00:08:20.360 Plus, we now have a Department of War.

00:08:22.660 Plus, Israel would then have access, not just to the $4 billion that we give them in military assistance, 0.59

00:08:31.360 they have access to the whole Megillah, to everything.

00:08:34.900 We will be opening up the possibility of Israel having influence over a $1.5 trillion annual budget.

00:08:45.940 I feel sick hearing this.

00:08:48.660 First of all, we just lost a war with Iran.

00:08:50.640 With Iran. 0.97

00:08:52.200 Right.

00:08:52.660 which has an economy, you know, the size of an American state.

00:08:56.900 Okay, so you would think at that point,

00:09:00.140 someone would say, let's not continue feeding a system that is failing.

00:09:05.040 Let's stop and assess where the money went the first time

00:09:09.540 before we, you know, up the budget, right?

00:09:12.940 I mean, clearly what we're doing is working, right?

00:09:15.340 You would think.

00:09:17.280 Okay. 0.84

00:09:17.760 And this would give Israel influence over that entire, over 80% of America's discretionary spending. 0.70

00:09:24.720 Again, let's look at, you know, counter drones, anti-tunneling, directed energy, AI, autonomous weapons, cyber technology, electronic warfare. 0.80

00:09:41.160 The national security architecture of the future.

00:09:46.020 The future.

00:09:47.760 here it is, you know, we're going to share it.

00:09:50.620 Really?

00:09:51.740 And also, you have to remember that Israel was a conduit

00:09:56.720 for taking technology from America and sending it to China.

00:10:00.100 There's no guarantees in this agreement that they can't— 0.78

00:10:02.840 And the Soviet Union. 0.87

00:10:03.920 Yes.

00:10:04.200 I mean, Jonathan Pollard's secrets,

00:10:05.680 which he stole from the United States military, from the Navy, 0.80

00:10:08.860 wound up in the hands of our arch rivals, the Soviets, 0.84

00:10:11.460 because Israel gave it to them. 0.90

00:10:11.800 Well, you don't have to spy or steal if everything's open

00:10:14.000 and you have a seat at the table, do you?

00:10:16.100 And, you know, this is—and then, as you pointed out earlier, Tucker, ethic cleansing, genocide, these are partners. 0.59

00:10:29.800 Because we're not just, you know, taking in their IDF, let's say. 0.73

00:10:37.260 we're taking in the values that we've seen demonstrated

00:10:41.740 or lack of values on, you know, moral law, international law.

00:10:50.300 How do we, what does it say about us as a country?

00:10:55.080 If we want this kind of a partnership

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00:13:17.520 the loss of principle. Tucker. I think the majority of Americans agree with you. I think

00:13:23.440 the polling shows that. Attitudes on Israel are changing dramatically because of the fact

00:13:28.660 they're committing genocide that tends to lower your approval rating um but this vote would as

00:13:37.100 you said be the last vote so congress wouldn't have to be on the record supporting israel after

00:13:42.760 this vote because it would all be handled by the pentagon procurement office that's right

00:13:46.000 and the procurement i mean it's very significant so that's why i'm saying there's a limited amount

00:13:51.480 of oversight that occurs then you have to remember when i first got to congress the inspector general

00:13:56.900 of the Department of Defense said that there was over $1 trillion in accounts that could not be

00:14:03.780 reconciled. That was in 1997. They couldn't keep track of over a trillion dollars. Today,

00:14:10.900 it's multiple trillions. They had like 1,100 different accounting systems in the Pentagon.

00:14:18.380 It's engineered where money might just disappear.

00:14:22.840 It's engineered to evade oversight. There's no way to even know what's happening.

00:14:28.300 Right now it is. 0.78

00:14:29.620 So this time, if we bring Israel into the picture and create this merger at the top of the most sensitive aspects of our national security, our national defense, where's that going to go? 0.54

00:14:47.020 So, you know, you're merging, you're integrating, you're eliminating duplication in the context of a country that's involved in genocide and ethnic cleansing.

00:14:58.400 So what do they gain from this?

00:15:00.780 They gain weapons endurance, okay, because they get these weapons systems, which they may not have access to right now.

00:15:07.300 They'll have intelligence depth that they don't have right now.

00:15:11.540 They'll have AI targeting capacity that they may or may not have right now.

00:15:17.020 They will, there's no diplomatic deterrence, right?

00:15:20.960 I mean, because the game's going to be led by the Department of Defense.

00:15:26.460 The Department of State is going to be further diminished by this, for sure.

00:15:31.380 You have, you know, the...

00:15:37.040 Wait, can I just ask, what about, you know, the Secretary of War, the Secretary of State,

00:15:43.480 cabinet secretaries, House and Senate leaders, everyone in the White House, they're all on board 0.71

00:15:50.500 with giving a foreign country control over our military? Who knows who's on board? It's in the 0.78

00:15:55.560 legislation now, and they vote for it. It's law. This entangles our military in whatever Israel

00:16:02.060 chooses to do. They want to go to war against Egypt. They want to go to war against Turkey as 0.84

00:16:06.720 part of this Zionist expansion. Hey, we're pulled right along. Well, then our country then becomes 0.98

00:16:12.480 a target. Our country then becomes vulnerable based on anything Israel chooses to do because

00:16:19.200 we are partners then and we have no control over that. We don't have any control over what they'll 0.94

00:16:25.400 do. It's like a fantastic thinking that we can bring them into the military and all of a sudden

00:16:30.900 we're going to control them. No, the way you control them is to keep the IDF at bay and try 0.83

00:16:37.620 to work out some kind of diplomatic relations which really aren't working out right now because

00:16:41.760 otherwise why would you have so many dead people in palestine and and in and in lebanon there is 0.85

00:16:47.120 no diplomacy going on it's basically a license to kill that israel has paid for by us yeah absolutely

00:16:54.400 can i just go back i have too many questions um to your description of the u.s defense budget is

00:16:59.920 80 percent of discretionary spending which i didn't know which is like hard to believe the

00:17:04.160 united states is um prosperous largely because it's isolated from threats by the pacific and

00:17:11.120 in the Atlantic Oceans.

00:17:12.800 Basically, the United States,

00:17:14.260 the threats that it faces

00:17:15.300 were going to come from Canada or Mexico, really.

00:17:18.780 And those are, you know,

00:17:20.980 not existential at the moment.

00:17:23.220 So why would the United States

00:17:25.620 spend 80% of its discretionary budget on defense?

00:17:32.180 That's crazy.

00:17:33.720 Well, it undermines, I think,

00:17:37.480 the constitutional imperative of the United States.

00:17:44.460 We, the people of the United States,

00:17:46.260 it laid out certain purposes of governance.

00:17:52.560 Provide for the common defense,

00:17:53.720 but that wasn't the only thing, okay?

00:17:56.400 Promote the general welfare.

00:17:59.460 Ensure the blessings of liberty.

00:18:02.220 We're moving away from that.

00:18:03.940 If it all becomes about defense, what happens?

00:18:07.040 And what is happening now, there's specific things that have happened.

00:18:11.740 We've seen health care.

00:18:13.240 Can I just correct you and say it's not defense anymore, it's war.

00:18:16.600 It's not the Department of Defense, it's the Department of War.

00:18:18.540 No, it's the Department of War, thank you.

00:18:19.620 Because, I mean, that's right.

00:18:21.260 Because if it's about defense, the United States is defended by geography mostly.

00:18:26.080 It's defended by oceans, by its lack of physical proximity to people who hate it.

00:18:31.640 So, like, we're pretty safe, always have been, probably the safest country in the world.

00:18:35.500 But it's not about defense.

00:18:37.540 It's about war.

00:18:38.900 And because it's more about war than ever, how do you measure that?

00:18:43.880 You measure that by how much money you allocate.

00:18:47.020 Again, $900 billion were allocated for the 2026 Department of Defense, now war.

00:19:00.860 This year, $1.5 trillion.

00:19:03.560 and it constitutes 80% of discretionary spending.

00:19:09.400 So what's happened?

00:19:10.420 We've seen cuts in healthcare.

00:19:12.600 They've cut back administration of the Affordable Care Act.

00:19:15.480 They've cut back the CDC, lost about $3.5 billion.

00:19:22.260 The education has just been wrecked,

00:19:25.980 the kind of benefits that were out there.

00:19:28.800 In the education department, we saw the work-study program.

00:19:32.340 I took a work-study program when I was just starting my college career.

00:19:36.600 I worked at a plane dealer in Cleveland for a while and went to Cleveland State.

00:19:44.240 They cut this funding 90 percent, so all these young people who want to get educational experience and work at the same time, they're not going to be able to do that.

00:19:53.260 There's programs that affect the poor

00:19:56.280 that would enable young people to reach up

00:20:00.620 and get an education that they've cut.

00:20:03.360 There's specialized education funds.

00:20:05.820 They cut out whole divisions.

00:20:07.300 There's a lot of programs that have been cut in education.

00:20:11.380 They've cut job training programs, Tucker.

00:20:14.580 And all this goes by, I think it was job training,

00:20:18.120 it was about $3.7 billion they've cut from that.

00:20:21.020 They've cut nutrition programs.

00:20:22.240 you know, feeding people, feeding the food stamp program, which, you know, largely has kept a lot

00:20:27.820 of Americans fed. They've cut that by about 6.3 billion. And then with that, there's reductions

00:20:33.100 in the women's and infant children's nutrition programs. What are we becoming as a nation

00:20:38.420 when we arm ourselves to the teeth, inevitably benefiting all these defense contractors,

00:20:43.980 and leave the American people defenseless at home, defenseless against poverty,

00:20:50.880 defenseless against ill health, defenseless against being ill-educated.

00:20:55.360 That's the real strength of our country.

00:20:57.500 We're letting that go.

00:20:59.320 And so my sense is that it's bad enough that $1.5 trillion is going to go primarily to these arms manufacturers, okay,

00:21:11.840 because those are capital-intensive expenditures.

00:21:15.280 And, at the same time, here comes Israel, right inside the Department of Defense, at the most sensitive technological areas, most sensitive security issues, and they're right there helping to direct what America does.

00:21:35.520 At exactly the moment when the American public has made it very clear, we don't want this.

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00:22:55.140 wide this offer is not available anywhere else so it's like it's hard to imagine a less democratic

00:23:01.220 more authoritarian response to public opinion polling it's like your job you served in congress

00:23:07.240 your job is to represent the people who put you there right so you look at the opinion polling

00:23:12.040 and you say you see people don't want this right and so that's the first thing you do something

00:23:17.180 they don't want like the how is that a real system how is that a representative government

00:23:22.040 It's not. It reflects a level of control that already exists.

00:23:27.920 I mean, let's be clear, you know, this objection that is being raised here is cognizant of the fact that we've had a relationship that goes back at least to 1948, you know, to 1948, and then going forward from there, and more recently, you know, Israel saw to their advantage to encourage the United States to go to war against Iraq.

00:23:51.300 I mean, Benjamin Netanyahu sat in front of me in a government oversight committee and articulated reasons in September of 2002 why the United States should go to war against Iraq.

00:24:02.960 And he also said, I asked him, who else would you attack?

00:24:05.840 And he said, Iran and Libya in committee.

00:24:09.680 You can go to the internet and find that.

00:24:13.380 There's a different imperative that Netanyahu has than what our aspirations are for our country.

00:24:21.300 The people of Israel have to make their own decisions, but they cannot decide for us.

00:24:26.800 We have to have autonomy here.

00:24:28.580 We have to have sovereignty.

00:24:30.780 And I fear for the future of our country.

00:24:33.580 If we bring in this genocidal group that has shown no compunction about murdering children, 0.62

00:24:43.660 shooting them in the head in the chest, laughing about it, celebrating their dominance over defenseless people,

00:24:51.300 it goes beyond being heartbreaking. It's insane. And we need to push back. People should be calling 1.00

00:24:59.580 their congressmen and saying, do not vote for this bill. Force an amendment to be made to take

00:25:07.860 it out, take that provision out of the bill. And if they won't do it, vote against the bill. I mean,

00:25:13.240 I would vote against the bill anyway. I voted against almost every single expenditure for

00:25:18.020 these kinds of things when I was in Congress, Tucker, because I knew it was a scam. I knew

00:25:21.820 the people of the United States were getting hosed by these defense contractors, and it

00:25:26.440 became a racket. You know, as Smedley Butler said it years ago, war's a racket. So this

00:25:31.360 is a racket. We got pulled into one war after another we didn't have to be in, and Israel 0.97

00:25:35.260 was coaxing it all along. And a Middle East region is going to end up in a worse conflagration 1.00

00:25:40.400 if they come inside, because they'll be leading the dance when it comes to making strategic 0.99

00:25:45.020 decisions in that region. That's just, it's happening right now. They have that kind of

00:25:49.660 influence, but this locks it in. This is formal. This is the law. And what happens to our country?

00:25:56.720 My concerns about America, I don't, you know, I consider myself a citizen of the world, but I am

00:26:02.780 an American and I don't want anybody trying to influence our country to do one thing or another.

00:26:07.960 We make our own decisions here. Not anymore though. Israel has too much influence already.

00:26:13.460 And through AIPAC and other groups, they have engaged in a kind of subterfuge over what the interests of the American people are. 0.87

00:26:21.280 And it's not in our interest to be merging a military with a military that presents a clear and present danger to our own country.

00:26:32.040 I don't want to hold hands when somebody has blood on their hands.

00:26:37.340 No. I think all people are capable of evil.

00:26:40.660 I certainly am. And I think all of us are capable of genocide. I believe that because I know what human nature is. But there's only one country committing it right now. I mean, we don't need to guess. Is the Israeli government evil? Yes. I mean, obviously. Murdering children is evil, no matter who does it, period. They don't get a pass. It's a universal standard. So the idea that we would merge with that of all militaries.

00:27:07.120 Well, again, I agree with that, Tucker.

00:27:10.300 And, you know, my—I wouldn't want to merge with any military.

00:27:15.320 I don't even like NATO, for that matter.

00:27:17.220 I totally agree.

00:27:18.000 Because I don't want anybody acting and trying to drag us into conflicts. 1.00

00:27:23.560 You know, our founders warned, beware of foreign entanglements. 1.00

00:27:28.760 Yes. 1.00

00:27:28.980 We were warned about that.

00:27:30.000 And they had the vision to understand that the United States needed to protect its independence, to protect its sovereignty, by not getting drawn into conflicts in other countries on behalf of other nations, not on behalf of ourselves.

00:27:46.360 You know, I'm for defending our country, but now where we're at is that we're on the threshold of forever wars.

00:27:55.860 i don't think donald trump went into office with the idea that you know we're gonna have more wars

00:28:01.400 he promised we don't you know no more wars he made that promise but he couldn't keep that promise

00:28:08.800 because of the influence of this uh particular group and that's really sad it's really sad

00:28:14.980 i saw it firsthand it's the saddest thing i've ever seen in in public in public life for sure

00:28:19.780 Or who are the people pushing this?

00:28:24.820 Well, you know, it's very interesting.

00:28:28.080 There was an iteration of this bill that was introduced into Congress by two members.

00:28:34.060 Didn't get much attention.

00:28:36.440 But this was folded into the bill.

00:28:38.780 Nobody knows who put it in.

00:28:40.360 That's number one.

00:28:41.100 Number two, no hearings on this part alone.

00:28:47.320 There's been no hearings and no real discussions about it.

00:28:50.220 I mean, you and I could talk for an hour or so easy on this.

00:28:54.980 Between us, there's more discussion that's occurred on this bill than any place in D.C.

00:29:00.380 By far.

00:29:01.640 They don't want to talk about it.

00:29:02.920 They just want to quietly slip this provision into a bill without debate.

00:29:06.940 Remember, they shut off any hope in the Rules Committee of a debate over an amendment by

00:29:11.680 Tom Massey and Ro Khanna.

00:29:14.380 They had an amendment up.

00:29:15.980 They didn't even include it in the list of amendments that would be made in order when they go to the floor.

00:29:21.440 There was no debate in the committee over this.

00:29:25.860 And so, you know, when it gets to the floor, then there won't be any debate over this provision.

00:29:31.800 You know, unless somebody gets up and says, well, this provision, but there won't be an effort, an amendment to strike it is not in order.

00:29:38.260 So it stays in the bill.

00:29:40.080 People have to understand this is being engineered quietly, but no more.

00:29:43.860 hello, to try to just slip it in, make an accomplished thing, and then all of a sudden,

00:29:52.200 here we are.

00:29:52.860 And the thing that I—

00:29:54.220 And we don't know who pushed it?

00:29:55.440 Well, we know whose idea it was.

00:30:00.380 Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:30:02.740 He's taking credit for this.

00:30:04.780 He has?

00:30:05.460 Oh, yeah, he says his idea.

00:30:08.820 Yeah, this—and why would Netanyahu want this? 0.58

00:30:13.860 Because Israel is going to have every possible advantage they could possibly have in terms of weapons enhancement and AI targeting and lower operating costs, right?

00:30:27.800 You get to offload your operating costs down to the U.S. 0.74

00:30:33.480 They can entangle the U.S. into things.

00:30:36.300 All of a sudden, you want to fight me, buddy?

00:30:39.060 Here's me, buddy.

00:30:39.700 And you're off to the next war.

00:30:42.360 Without the Congress ever debating it, no one going on the record to support it, it would just all of a sudden become part of the system. It's embedded in the way the U.S. government operates. They just can effectively control 80% of our discretion.

00:30:57.940 No committee hearings, no debate in the bill.

00:31:01.380 There you have it.

00:31:03.900 One of the most serious changes in American sovereignty in the history of our country would occur without any debate at all.

00:31:15.020 It just folded into a bill that's probably close to a thousand pages.

00:31:18.980 Could this happen soon?

00:31:21.580 Well, here's what's going to happen.

00:31:23.360 on um the congress comes back on july the 13th the rules committee will try to meet again the

00:31:33.560 reason why it didn't get voted on this last time is there was a dispute the white house wanted the

00:31:38.600 save act that deals with curtailing certain voter registration privileges um they wanted the save

00:31:45.460 Act folded into the National Defense Act. And so they pushed the House leadership to combine that.

00:31:54.560 And in order to make that happen, the House has to first pass a rule. Every bill can have its own

00:32:01.820 rule. It's like, what are the rules of debate for this particular bill, this piece of paper?

00:32:08.560 So they create the rule, and the rule said, you know, it did not include that amendment that would amend out this Section 219.

00:32:18.700 But what it did do, it's combined the SAVE Act and the NDAA, so it gets— 0.61

00:32:23.520 You don't get voter ID unless you hand the military to Israel. 0.71

00:32:28.160 No, that's an interesting reduction. 0.55

00:32:31.040 Well, everything's a reduction in politics, right?

00:32:33.260 But they can make that case.

00:32:34.600 That's interesting. But let me just say that the rule was voted against because 14 Republican members didn't like the way the thing was set up. So the rule went down, which meant they couldn't get to the bill. So there was no vote a week or so ago.

00:32:52.100 So they'll go back to the drawing board.

00:32:55.000 They'll go back to the rules committee and come up with a rule.

00:32:57.940 Will they include an amendment that could be voted on to determine whether or not Israel and the U.S. military should merge?

00:33:06.180 I doubt it.

00:33:07.240 It'll go to the floor again.

00:33:08.640 So people are going to be faced with an up or down vote.

00:33:11.020 That would be my guess.

00:33:12.440 It's a guess.

00:33:13.880 An up or down vote on the bill itself.

00:33:18.620 I mean, you know, I'd recommend voting against it and keep voting against it until they take that provision out.

00:33:26.220 But that could pass this month.

00:33:28.460 Yeah, absolutely.

00:33:32.580 How do you stop it?

00:33:34.440 Well, votes.

00:33:35.700 I mean, people have—

00:33:36.500 But if you're not in Congress, we just—I mean—

00:33:38.640 People have to call.

00:33:39.360 This is where we're not helpless.

00:33:42.240 You know, people or voters who, you know, are watching this from across the country.

00:33:47.080 call your congressman or congresswoman and say look we don't want to merge the military

00:33:54.480 vote against the bill or take it out of the bill that's it i mean it's you know i as i said i

00:34:02.220 wouldn't vote for this bill anyway because of how it vitiates uh but it's treason it's literally

00:34:07.660 treason you're handing your government to a foreign government against the will of your own

00:34:12.600 people who pay for everything i mean my view is if there was ever a justification for shutting

00:34:18.680 down washington it's this and yet it doesn't seem like there's any way to stop it call your

00:34:25.720 congressman does that matter sometimes yeah sure i mean if the people get enough calls they get

00:34:30.660 nervous and when they start getting nervous and there's a slippage in votes yeah i mean it can

00:34:36.400 make a

00:34:36.660 difference

00:34:36.980 absolutely

00:34:37.800 sure it

00:34:38.880 can make

00:34:39.180 a difference

00:34:39.700 now

00:34:40.040 you know

00:34:41.860 given

00:34:42.100 APAC's

00:34:42.600 influence

00:34:43.020 will it

00:34:43.340 make a

00:34:43.620 difference

00:34:44.020 I don't

00:34:45.320 know

00:34:45.560 but

00:34:45.720 you won't

00:34:46.200 need

00:34:46.440 APAC

00:34:46.820 after this

00:34:47.540 no

00:34:48.180 well

00:34:48.860 I mean

00:34:50.040 do

00:34:52.160 humiliating

00:34:52.700 control

00:34:53.120 and all

00:34:53.380 that

00:34:53.540 I get

00:34:53.820 it

00:34:53.960 but like

00:34:54.360 as a

00:34:54.720 practical

00:34:55.160 matter

00:34:55.640 it's

00:34:57.160 done

00:34:57.540 wait a

00:34:58.440 minute

00:34:58.520 this is

00:34:58.800 interesting

00:34:59.180 there are

00:34:59.440 people

00:34:59.640 now

00:34:59.900 talking

00:35:00.300 about

00:35:00.580 well

00:35:01.180 you know

00:35:01.480 we're

00:35:01.740 gonna

00:35:01.940 we're

00:35:02.480 gonna

00:35:02.640 cut

00:35:03.320 we won't

00:35:05.640 give

00:35:05.820 Israeli military funding.

00:35:10.080 They don't need any military funding. 0.94

00:35:11.800 They're in the inside now.

00:35:13.920 They can direct the expenditures

00:35:15.860 of over a trillion dollars.

00:35:18.740 What do they need a tip of $4 billion

00:35:22.060 for when they can have influence

00:35:23.340 over $1.5 trillion?

00:35:25.380 Watch that.

00:35:25.980 You'll encounter people who will tell you,

00:35:27.860 oh, we're going to eliminate

00:35:29.400 the military spending to Israel.

00:35:31.340 Really?

00:35:32.140 And you're going to bring them

00:35:32.920 into the decision-making position

00:35:34.920 in the Department of Defense

00:35:36.380 for the most sophisticated spending

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00:35:42.240 and future defense of the United States of America.

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00:36:37.420 So that's why you see these Israelis and their agents in the United States 0.79

00:36:44.060 saying on television, you know,

00:36:46.140 maybe we should stop taking military aid from the United States.

00:36:50.280 There you are. There you have it.

00:36:51.780 The lying is just, I, it's like every word is a lie.

00:36:56.480 It's called Hasbro, right?

00:36:57.560 But, you know, I mean, it's, yeah, you know, what do the poets say?

00:37:02.960 Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

00:37:07.400 And there's deception everywhere here.

00:37:09.160 And they're trying to deceive the American people as to where their interests lie.

00:37:13.400 But when we keep seeing more and more of the resources of the United States going for wars, 0.55

00:37:18.920 and then we get the countries that's committing genocide and ethnic cleansing,

00:37:22.880 bring them into the top echelons of decision-making in the Department of Defense

00:37:27.300 on a formal agreement, Tucker, that would affect a merger.

00:37:33.120 Now, people are saying, it's not a merger.

00:37:34.940 Well, okay, integration, eliminate duplication, it is a merger.

00:37:40.660 You can call it what you want, but they're going to be sitting there making decisions.

00:37:44.000 And another thing is, it's going to affect defense, not just production, where things are made,

00:37:51.800 But Israel, you know, we've had Buy America provisions in our contracting.

00:37:57.680 This legislation, I think, would enable Israel to preempt those Buy America provisions.

00:38:05.280 Oh, yeah. 0.63

00:38:05.900 Yeah, this is going to cost U.S. jobs, too.

00:38:08.260 I mean, that's another thing.

00:38:09.240 That's another argument.

00:38:10.440 So typically, when the U.S. government buys equipment for the U.S. military, it is generally from American suppliers.

00:38:18.820 Generally, not always, but generally.

00:38:20.260 Right. 0.53

00:38:20.400 But the idea is, the concept is, you should buy America.

00:38:23.440 Yeah, you buy from your own. 0.63

00:38:24.440 Yeah.

00:38:24.720 Yeah.

00:38:25.360 But this would allow purchases from Israel basically to count as purchasers from America because they're—

00:38:34.040 Right, it's a procurement thing.

00:38:35.940 You know, the procurement becomes a fact of life that we'll be procuring more and more from Israel,

00:38:43.540 and Israel will be able to set up production in the U.S.

00:38:47.060 This is really crazy.

00:38:48.400 I mean, we do not—this is such a giveaway on so many different things.

00:38:55.260 You use the word treason.

00:38:56.700 It is treason, and everyone involved in it should be charged.

00:38:59.880 Yeah, but that won't happen, but, you know, it's true.

00:39:04.460 And I just—you know, so it's not lost on any of us. 0.71

00:39:10.400 A day doesn't go by where I don't think about the people in Gaza and the West Bank and South Lebanon

00:39:16.440 and what they're living through.

00:39:18.400 There are children being killed right in front of them, their whole families being blown up in some cases, journalists killed, healthcare workers murdered, ambulance drivers murdered, double-triple-tap to cynically just kill everything and everybody, drones flying everywhere.

00:39:35.400 how in the world can anybody with a heart look at this and say well you know it's okay that's

00:39:42.600 happening over there no no if you're a witness you have to take some responsibility for that

00:39:49.060 morally and we're the funder of it which we are we are the funders and we're but we the

00:39:55.600 American people are witnesses. And it's time to say, look, we cannot support this. We should

00:40:05.380 really be standing up and defending the people of Palestine against these attacks. That's my

00:40:10.120 feeling. We cannot be in a position where we're seeing hundreds of thousands of people killed.

00:40:18.580 For what? For some fake interpretation of the Bible that somebody says, well,

00:40:24.320 this is my land, this is my home, this is my property.

00:40:27.000 Really? Really?

00:40:28.560 Somebody knocks on your door and says, give me your house?

00:40:32.420 In America, we'd go bonkers over that.

00:40:35.340 We'd say, you can't do that.

00:40:36.440 Get out of here. 0.73

00:40:37.900 That's what's happening every day, and it's happening in South Lebanon now. 0.78

00:40:42.880 Settlers are coming in and are protected by the IDF. 0.96

00:40:46.280 The IDF has demonstrated itself to be just a group of psychopathic killers. 0.93

00:40:54.320 I mean, you can't call it anything else. 0.95

00:40:56.020 No, you can't.

00:40:56.640 And so the question, though, isn't who they are.

00:40:59.800 It's who are we as Americans?

00:41:01.920 What do we stand for?

00:41:03.520 We just celebrated our 250th anniversary of our independence,

00:41:08.200 and we need to regain our independence.

00:41:10.740 We need to regain what it really means to be an American.

00:41:14.140 We'll help anybody around the world.

00:41:15.900 We've got big hearts as Americans, 0.68

00:41:17.920 But we also need to stand up for the abuse of the resources that we give to other countries that are being used to kill people and kill them in mass.

00:41:30.320 Well, it's just been so corrupting. 0.95

00:41:32.000 It's been so corrupting of the United States, corrupting of Christianity to see, you know, good people, ministers get up and defend genocide as if Jesus is in favor of killing kids.

00:41:42.920 it's been corrupting of politics the conservative movement which i don't doesn't obviously exist

00:41:48.560 anymore but i've been a part of it for you know 40 years and the one of the basic foundational

00:41:54.920 ideas was property rights property rights lecture you for hours i've given those lectures property

00:42:01.740 rights the basis of liberty and of a functioning economic system and then all of a sudden they're

00:42:06.840 supporting you stealing people's lands because stealing actually yeah and then killing anyone

00:42:11.740 who gets in the way. What about property rights? I thought we were for property rights. Free speech,

00:42:16.900 the foundational freedom of this country, all of a sudden you're not allowed to criticize a

00:42:20.980 foreign country. You can't boycott a foreign country. It's illegal. It's totally corrupting

00:42:26.320 of who we are. That's my problem with it. I don't think Israel is uniquely evil. I think everybody

00:42:31.960 is evil in his heart. Of course, I'm a Christian. Of course, I believe that. But this, what they're

00:42:36.300 doing is evil completely there's no euphemism that describes it more precisely than that and

00:42:42.940 and we become evil when we participate in it like what the hell yeah it's exactly what the hell is

00:42:49.640 the motive so you served in the congress you got there 30 years ago you know a lot about the

00:42:55.320 congress what would inspire a lawmaker to get on board with this i i you know look um

00:43:05.560 you have to go back to the holocaust you really do i mean in order to understand

00:43:10.840 the thinking about about israel and jewish people suffered horribly yes in the holocaust

00:43:19.620 It is a level of cruelty that the world could not have imagined prior to that.

00:43:26.780 Yes. 0.69

00:43:28.080 And so Israel began with a great deal of sympathy that people had.

00:43:35.300 But then as you start...

00:43:36.240 Including from me, by the way.

00:43:37.460 Yeah, of course, and from myself.

00:43:39.780 But as you unwind the history and you see where the Balfour Declaration went

00:43:46.840 and how in 1948 that the founding of the State of Israel

00:43:52.980 was not supposed to mean the subjugation of the Arabs or the Palestinians.

00:43:59.340 There was somehow supposed to be an agreement worked out.

00:44:01.980 It was airy-fairy in some ways.

00:44:05.100 But what's happened is that there's been a murderous oppression of Palestinians

00:44:13.300 that goes back generations now. 0.61

00:44:18.360 And so Israel evolved into something 0.99

00:44:21.160 that no one, I think, counted on, 0.98

00:44:27.400 at least except the Zionists, maybe, 0.99

00:44:29.940 who believe that we have a greater destiny 0.87

00:44:33.080 and it's not just this land,

00:44:35.720 but as the chosen people,

00:44:37.720 we are going further and beyond it.

00:44:41.100 And that's unfortunate 0.85

00:44:42.600 because what they've done, Zionism has hijacked Judaism. 0.51

00:44:49.000 My life has been guided by people who happen to have been Jewish. 0.77

00:44:54.480 And I think that's true to a lot of people.

00:44:56.140 Yeah.

00:44:56.860 I mean, greatly influenced.

00:44:59.500 And when you understand the meaning of charity, of caring, of giving,

00:45:06.340 throughout my life, I've always associated that with people who happen to be Jewish.

00:45:11.480 You know, I've seen that.

00:45:12.600 I've experienced it.

00:45:13.760 I have experienced it also. 0.67

00:45:14.840 But then when you take Zionism and a particular virulent strain of Zionism as is practiced by people like ministers Smotrich and Ben Gavir, as well as Netanyahu,

00:45:35.840 it it has created such uh sorus if you could call it that for people who happen to be jewish

00:45:45.980 in this country and worldwide and it's not that that's not what you know what many of us understood

00:45:55.100 judaism to be about it still isn't but zionism has hijacked that and in service of a political

00:46:02.440 agenda. They've basically jettisoned spiritual principles that, in my view, were always about 0.99

00:46:12.240 what's called tikkun olam, the healing of the world. That's a principle that comes from Judaism,

00:46:19.700 tikkun olam, heal the world. So, it's not destroy the world, heal the world.

00:46:26.340 And so, it's heartbreaking, really. We're looking at an immense human tragedy here, Tucker.

00:46:31.560 Yeah, that's just beginning because everyone who committed genocide or supported or excused it or denied it, the genocide deniers, and there are many in the United States, they're all going to suffer.

00:46:41.560 And I feel bad for them.

00:46:42.680 Some of them I like personally, but they're all going to suffer because there's justice.

00:46:47.040 And if you got behind the genocide in Gaza, you're going to suffer for that.

00:46:52.120 So I feel sorry for them.

00:46:53.740 You know, again, I call it a great human tragedy, but here we are, just after we celebrated our independence 250 years, how do we remain independent?

00:47:09.520 And this proposal to merge, integrate the U.S. and the Israeli military is a direct attack on American independence, a direct attack on American sovereignty, a direct attack on the United States Constitution, which keeps us sovereign.

00:47:29.520 sovereign. I'm concerned. How drones are hunting people in Gaza and West Bank and even

00:47:42.760 South Lebanon now, that's going to come home. Does anyone think that if we enrich this partnership

00:47:52.700 with Israel formally, that we're not going to be seeing these drones patrolling the United

00:47:59.180 States. Of course we are. Soon. Well, we're looking at dystopia here. We're looking at a

00:48:05.660 minority report, another version. Again, ask the question, who are we as a nation?

00:48:12.740 I want to reclaim what it means to be an American. I want to reclaim what it means to be free, to be

00:48:17.120 independent, to be sovereign, to be able to make our decisions without any undue influence from

00:48:23.420 any other country in the world, and certainly not to be holding hands with people that are

00:48:31.100 genocidal, with genocidal intent. So, you know, this is ultimately about freedom. Our whole

00:48:38.000 experience, our constitutional experience about freedom, we've seen our freedom of speech

00:48:42.960 undermined in the last few years. College campuses, notably, okay? You can't criticize a certain

00:48:49.000 group because if you do, you could lose your scholarship, you could get expelled. You can't

00:48:52.960 protests on college campuses, which were the cradle of the rebellion against the war in Vietnam,

00:48:58.220 okay? The Fourth Amendment, you know, the idea that Americans can be free in their homes from

00:49:07.580 unreasonable search and seizure, the idea that you look at ICE and how they've moved in to just,

00:49:14.260 you know, knock down doors. We're seeing our basic constitutional liberties undermined

00:49:20.340 Here in this country right now, we're celebrating the 4th of July, but, you know, our liberties can't go up like in the smoke of a disappearing firework. 0.90

00:49:31.120 We really have to look at each and every area where our liberty is under attack and our freedom is under attack, and it is under attack with this proposal to merge the U.S. and the Israeli military.

00:49:45.360 But if you're a member of Congress, what are you thinking?

00:49:47.200 Why would you sign on to this?

00:49:50.340 what's a constitution among friends?

00:49:54.120 But you know that every public appearance that you have,

00:49:58.080 every town hall that you do,

00:49:59.480 you're going to get asked about this.

00:50:00.940 People are getting pretty radically anti-Israel,

00:50:04.480 way more than I am.

00:50:05.300 I feel like I'm pretty moderate

00:50:06.340 compared to the public on this question all of a sudden.

00:50:10.300 And you're going to have to live with that,

00:50:13.020 but you're doing it anyway.

00:50:14.420 Well, look, politically, it's hard to figure out.

00:50:18.660 One does not need to be anti-Israel.

00:50:20.620 We need to be pro-human.

00:50:22.100 I agree.

00:50:22.820 Pro-peace.

00:50:23.640 Pro-America.

00:50:24.300 Pro-America, yeah. 0.88

00:50:25.680 Really, I mean, this thing about America first, that's okay with me.

00:50:28.740 That doesn't mean we're not citizens of the world,

00:50:30.840 but we have an obligation to take care of our own people.

00:50:34.420 Tucker, you know, I'm in Cleveland,

00:50:35.760 and I see people begging for food at freeway exits.

00:50:38.280 Yeah, I do too.

00:50:39.880 Some of them are veterans.

00:50:42.340 What are we doing with our country here?

00:50:46.660 So, you know, this debate over this section in the National Defense Authorization Act

00:50:53.220 really provides an opportunity for a deeper reflection about who we are as Americans.

00:50:57.660 What do we stand for? Where are we going as a country?

00:51:00.400 Where do we want to go as a country?

00:51:02.700 How do we avoid future wars?

00:51:04.340 How do we avoid wars that could end it all?

00:51:10.480 You know, it wasn't too long ago that Joe Biden was rattling sabers against Russia.

00:51:15.360 And now we're seeing, you know, more attacks on Russia.

00:51:19.400 We could see another war, but if we're not—

00:51:22.220 Easily. 0.62

00:51:22.760 Easily. 0.75

00:51:22.960 We could see a real war with Russia soon. 0.72

00:51:26.000 So we need to pay attention to what our government's doing and demand that we stop these wars and demand that we not bring in the one country that's hell-bent on war everywhere they turn in order to feel protected.

00:51:45.820 I mean, what a paradox that you're protected by killing more people.

00:51:50.080 Netanyahu is destroying Israel. And if allowed, I think, and not just Netanyahu, his coalition of religious extremists. He was on Fox today, on Fox News, which shamefully gives him a platform at every opportunity, saying we need to go fight Turkey, our NATO ally, to whom we're bound by treaty. We have to have a war with Turkey now. 0.73

00:52:13.860 You said that this morning. I didn't know. Well, see, that's why when I look at this agreement, it is about war with Turkey. It's about war with Egypt. It's about war, war, war. On our dime, their policy, no, stop it.

00:52:30.540 America. Remember who you are. We are supposed to be that shining city on a hill. We're supposed

00:52:41.780 to be the unfolding of a patriotic dream. We're supposed to be the country that is the beacon for

00:52:49.540 the entire world, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free. We need to reconnect with what it

00:52:57.980 The deeper meaning of what it means to be an American, this journey that began 250 years ago that gave America this ability to adapt to and dream their future.

00:53:08.820 We need to reconnect with this advancing tide of creativity and freedom and democracy and really let freedom ring, really let it ring.

00:53:20.460 But we're not there right now.

00:53:23.140 We're in a different space, and we need to begin anew to challenge any effort that would attack our sovereignty, undermine our independence.

00:53:37.180 You just saw a number of Democrats lose in primaries on the question of support for Israel.

00:53:42.120 So it's such a cliche, I hate even to use the word, but it's toxic among Democratic voters.

00:53:48.700 It's true.

00:53:49.540 Toxic.

00:53:50.720 And good for them, by the way, it should be toxic.

00:53:53.140 It's totally unacceptable.

00:53:54.140 Are you pro-Nazi?

00:53:55.140 No, you're not allowed to be pro-Nazi.

00:53:56.140 Well, you can't be for the genocide in Gaza.

00:53:59.140 I mean, I don't see the difference.

00:54:02.140 But how can Democrats vote for this?

00:54:08.140 I think a number of them will vote against it, but some of them with some difficulty.

00:54:15.140 And this we're talking about is this proposal to merge the militaries of Israel and the United States.

00:54:23.140 Yeah, it should be an easy vote for many members of Congress, but they're not going to get a chance to vote on just that because it's folded into a 1,000-page bill.

00:54:35.240 So what you have is a circumstance where most members will know this is in the bill.

00:54:41.120 There's been enough commotion about it.

00:54:44.040 How can they vote for it? Because they'll say, well, you know, I voted so that our district could get X number of dollars for this defense contractor, which is providing hundreds of jobs in our district. That's the logic, okay?

00:54:59.740 Yeah. There's a logic there.

00:55:01.940 You need to understand, and people need to understand, many viewers need to understand, that every single member of Congress has a defense contractor in the district.

00:55:16.680 and these contractors, in order to pass the bill,

00:55:20.320 they go and visit the member of Congress and they say,

00:55:22.360 look, we make this material for the Department of Defense

00:55:29.980 and we need you to vote for this so that our area can have these jobs.

00:55:35.900 And some of them may have been around a while, some of these businesses.

00:55:39.860 So the member is moved by people from the district

00:55:42.880 who want them to support this program,

00:55:46.560 which may be millions of dollars,

00:55:48.940 including a $1.5 trillion bill.

00:55:53.420 So members have a motivation to vote for it.

00:55:56.120 Now, I didn't vote for it because I knew it was going to go for war,

00:55:59.220 and I'm opposed to that.

00:56:00.880 But members have jobs at stake, so they want to vote for the bill.

00:56:06.220 That's how that happens.

00:56:07.960 Lobbyists are there from the district.

00:56:10.120 so then you put this provision in the bill which is really a poison pill if you want to call it

00:56:16.140 that and members then have to look well do i how am i going to vote because they'll be attacked if

00:56:21.680 they vote against something for their district right just to get this is a diabolical construction

00:56:29.000 that's occurring here legislatively you put a bill to defend the country which is excessive

00:56:35.300 to the nth degree, and you fold into it this proposal for a merger.

00:56:40.260 You know, members are going to be hard-pressed with a vote on this.

00:56:45.880 But the ultimate issue is if you give up sovereignty, if you give up independence,

00:56:50.500 that is the overarching concern, not where does this money go.

00:56:57.640 Because once you give up what it means to be an American and to be able to make your

00:57:03.900 own decisions everything else doesn't matter who thought up this system where you don't vote on

00:57:13.700 specific legislation or issues but you wrap all these different notions into one thousand page

00:57:22.120 bill and vote up or down on it like yeah yeah that's it well you know from that came the aphorism

00:57:27.020 Never ask how laws or sausage are made.

00:57:33.380 But that seems designed to hurt the country and to make a mockery of the legislative process.

00:57:39.540 Well, the way the bill is crafted, you know, groups of people get together, various interest groups.

00:57:46.400 They go to the committee.

00:57:47.700 They give their ideas of what they want.

00:57:50.100 And a bill is produced.

00:57:51.520 And somebody came in with this thing.

00:57:53.540 Ah, let's put this merger in.

00:57:55.220 but why not just vote on that and why not just vote on thank you changes to voter registration

00:58:01.540 or id requirements or right what an upper weapon system they're supposed to they're supposed to

00:58:08.160 except the rule permits them to do it they change the rules the rules are always there to be changed

00:58:13.580 so they change you know there's a rule against legislating on an appropriation right doesn't

00:58:19.320 matter. You can have a rule that says all points of order are waived. So, nobody can get up. Mr.

00:58:27.920 Chairman, point of order. No, it's not happening. So, you know, this system, people are going to

00:58:35.060 start to pay a little bit more attention to a system which is serving a very small group of

00:58:44.520 people at the expense of everyone else. And right now, it's not working for the people of the United

00:58:51.080 States of America. And it hasn't. It doesn't matter if someone's a Democrat, Republican,

00:58:55.820 who's in the White House. That system has a specific gravity and a specific momentum

00:59:01.520 that keeps moving forward inexorably to replicate itself.

00:59:06.820 Yes.

00:59:07.600 Okay? It just keeps going.

00:59:09.360 Nicely put. That's right.

00:59:10.360 And that's what happens. And that's why once something like this merger is in the bill, forget about it. It's just going to keep going and going. They'll develop data integration. That's another big thing. That's a merger, data integration. So we're going to be operating out of the same fundamental math of what it means to operate the nation's defense. Wow. That's how dangerous this is, Tucker.

00:59:38.440 So there's kind of no disentangling at that point without hurting the U.S. military.

00:59:43.200 That's exactly right.

00:59:44.160 It is the ultimate entanglement that we've been warned against.

00:59:48.060 It's an entanglement and the most granular details in every sophisticated area of defense of our country,

00:59:56.980 of the future national security policies of the United States of America.

01:00:02.060 We are becoming entangled to the nth degree.

01:00:06.580 And as a result, our nation and our sovereignty is at risk.

01:00:12.840 Have you seen anyone defend this explicitly?

01:00:15.940 No. That's interesting. It's an interesting question.

01:00:19.540 If you find somebody, it'd be great to have that person on your show so that you could ask them about the benefits.

01:00:26.140 They'll just scream about anti-Semitism and refuse to come on. I've tried.

01:00:29.200 Well, you know, we understand that anti-Semitism has become a canard.

01:00:32.300 It lacks meaning anymore where it's just being used to try to deflect attention to something that's going on that's beneath the dignity of human beings.

01:00:44.940 I've noticed. Yeah, I've noticed.

01:00:47.320 Do you think there's any chance the president would veto this?

01:00:51.740 It's an interesting question because Netanyahu has basically discounted the authority of the president of the United States.

01:01:01.960 He's done that when President Trump was trying to end this war against Iran

01:01:09.480 that was started at the behest of Netanyahu.

01:01:13.380 And what did he need?

01:01:14.880 One of the things he needed was for Israel to stop attacking South Lebanon. 0.83

01:01:18.500 That was one of the conditions that Iran asked for. 0.72

01:01:21.620 Didn't happen.

01:01:23.460 And Netanyahu publicly defied the president of the United States

01:01:27.820 as if he as head of a nation of 9, 10 million people

01:01:33.920 is superior to a man who's head of a nation of 340 million people.

01:01:39.160 I mean, this is, you know, you have to look at this.

01:01:42.380 This is so weird that Israel could be actually jeopardizing an agreement

01:01:49.180 that would end a war that has resulted in not just 168 children being killed

01:01:56.340 and the leader of Iran, whose funeral is still ongoing right now as we speak,

01:02:02.960 but also had a devastating effect on our economy.

01:02:08.120 That war is going to cost, just that war is going to cost about a trillion dollars.

01:02:12.740 Taxpayers, most of it will go to national debt,

01:02:15.980 which is a whole other story because the more debt we're in,

01:02:19.600 the more vulnerable we are because we've got to make the interest payments

01:02:22.020 and that means we have less money to take care of things we need right now.

01:02:26.340 Yeah, America's in a trap right now.

01:02:30.520 You know, we've dug ourselves a hole.

01:02:33.140 And the only difference between a hole and a grave is in the dimensions.

01:02:36.360 And I don't want to have this merger lead America to its own destruction.

01:02:42.180 And we're not in good shape right now.

01:02:44.620 And when the president of the United States can be told by some guy who's just a hustler,

01:02:49.360 who is trying to finagle his way to another election, you know, through another election, to survive so he doesn't go to jail,

01:02:56.340 I mean, let's be real about this.

01:02:58.480 Netanyahu's facing jail.

01:03:00.440 And so his policies are aimed at keeping himself out of jail.

01:03:03.720 He didn't care about the United States.

01:03:05.520 He sure didn't care about what President Trump wants.

01:03:07.980 All he cares about is staying out of jail and staying in power if he can.

01:03:11.960 And, you know, so what does that mean? 0.93

01:03:14.240 Attack South Lebanon. 0.78

01:03:15.660 Forget whatever America wants to do in ending the war in Iran. 0.99

01:03:21.460 And everyone's going to pay for it. 0.96

01:03:23.320 The people are going to pay for it in South Lebanon with their lives. 0.88

01:03:25.860 and people around the world are going to pay for it with damage to the world economy. 0.96

01:03:31.240 I mean, you know, lives, I'll put that superior to every other concern.

01:03:36.680 But the fact is, we all know about the knock-on effects of the blocking of the Strait of Hormuz

01:03:45.000 or Bab-o-Mandab or anything that interferes with the flow of energy

01:03:50.960 is going to cause the price to go up.

01:03:53.400 Americans have experienced that, and we're going to keep experiencing that because the opportunity for peace keeps ebbing away.

01:04:04.320 And we've learned recently that Israel was planning to kill Iran's peace negotiators, right?

01:04:11.200 There's an assassination plot to kill the principal representatives of Iran because, you know, it's not in Israel's interest to have peace.

01:04:21.520 They don't know what peace looks like.

01:04:22.760 They think peace is a threat to their existence.

01:04:24.940 Yes.

01:04:25.360 And so when you get that kind of an equation, you're going to have forever war.

01:04:28.200 And we bring them into the Department of Defense, we have forever war.

01:04:31.940 You know, what about America?

01:04:34.840 Why aren't we having discussions about what America's interests are here? 0.96

01:04:40.780 Because that's anti-Semitic. 0.81

01:04:43.940 Nationalism is a moral crime.

01:04:46.480 No, we've been hearing that for 10 years, and I thought Trump would be strong enough to stand up to it.

01:04:50.380 But he turned out to be weak.

01:04:52.760 But it's not just Trump.

01:04:55.540 It's the system itself is just not working in any way.

01:05:01.260 How would you fix it?

01:05:05.640 Well, we know that if someone becomes president and he is determined to fix the system, drain the swamp, he's going to run into problems no matter what his politics are.

01:05:17.160 Yeah, real problems.

01:05:17.820 Yeah, real problems. 0.53

01:05:18.820 Or he could get assassinated.

01:05:20.500 Yeah. 0.92

01:05:20.660 But, I mean, that, you know, but we have to look at, you know, follow the policy back to whose interests are threatened and would want to kill our leaders.

01:05:31.840 How do you cure it?

01:05:33.400 First of all, it starts with America's international policy.

01:05:41.540 We have to stop these forever wars.

01:05:45.520 We have to start protecting our economy and rebuild relationships with people so they still use the dollar.

01:05:51.840 Because the elasticity in our economy depends on the petrodollar.

01:05:57.480 Of course.

01:05:57.820 The more people that jettison it, whether we're talking about Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Iran, and others,

01:06:10.260 The less trade that happens in dollars, that is a compounding economic problem for the United States of America.

01:06:18.480 People are getting rid of our treasuries.

01:06:19.960 They're dumping our treasuries, okay?

01:06:22.120 So higher interest rates, more burden on the U.S. economy.

01:06:26.920 Hey, that relates to our ability to make our own decisions so that we don't become a vassal of a future IMF or something.

01:06:36.260 a president and and has to have a congress that closes ranks on these issues of sovereignty

01:06:46.400 on on the issues of expenditure we we really are in need of you know i i come from a discipline

01:06:55.940 of the old fdr new deal rebuild america rebuild the infrastructure keep building building building

01:07:04.120 create, teach entrepreneurship, teach people how to create things and make things. We have that

01:07:09.780 capacity. We're not doing it. So how do we get out of it? It's to stop the wars, first of all.

01:07:16.320 Stop the wars. Stop holding hands with a country who's forever on a war path.

01:07:22.300 Must stop that. And then we start to rebuild diplomatic relations with countries, knowing

01:07:28.960 that we can be friends, but don't, you know, don't try us, but let's try to find a way to

01:07:37.800 work together and use our resources to build, to build, to show that, you know, America can be a

01:07:44.120 friend again, not just a feared foe. We need to go back to the basics, which are, you know,

01:07:51.320 education. Public education has fallen apart. We need to give people a chance to have a way of

01:07:57.920 learning so that they can make a contribution to our society. Now, personally, I'm for health care

01:08:02.820 for all. We shouldn't have these big corporations cashing in on the health misery of the American

01:08:08.060 people. We should have jobs for all. We should have an opportunity for every person who's able-bodied

01:08:13.740 to be able to make a living, make a contribution to society. We need to protect our air and our

01:08:19.260 water. Our water right now ends up being a bargaining chip for, you know, these new data

01:08:24.240 centers. Why should we be sacrificing the water that people need to survive just to say, well,

01:08:30.800 we're going to be smarter because we use more AI? There's, see, we have, and you know where it all

01:08:36.060 goes back to, you know, here we are in Maine. New England had those town hall meetings some years

01:08:42.580 ago. Norman Rockwell, you know, that painting of the man standing up, freedom of speech, okay?

01:08:46.920 it's it's you go back to the town hall literally not not just figuratively on the internet you go

01:08:55.740 back to the town hall where people are meeting each other and they talk about what they want

01:08:59.280 out of a country and then you require people want to be a representative to meet with those groups

01:09:04.360 and to hear what people have to say about what are their aspirations what are their dreams for

01:09:08.720 america you get it's a rebuilding that has to happen it has to happen from a neighborhood all

01:09:13.820 the way up, Tucker. We have to re-excite our civic soul. We have to learn what it means to be a

01:09:23.720 citizen again in a democracy or a republic, as I would like to refer to it as. We need to refresh

01:09:33.580 that republic with our own civic involvement. And if we fail to do that, then America gradually

01:09:39.520 fades away into the pages of history.

01:09:42.280 You know, we're not guaranteed this country.

01:09:45.400 Eternal vigilance truly is the price of liberty.

01:09:48.560 And this discussion today is about being vigilant.

01:09:51.780 It's about understanding at every turn

01:09:55.000 where America's interests might be harmed.

01:09:59.900 I think the first expression of civic engagement

01:10:03.920 might be national protests against this bill.

01:10:07.460 I agree.

01:10:09.260 I agree.

01:10:10.340 People should be going to their town halls.

01:10:13.600 And first of all, you can type in Section 219 NDAA and get a copy of the bill.

01:10:20.300 You understand what it means.

01:10:21.980 But this discussion today, I've given you some content of what the specifics are.

01:10:30.600 Because there'll be people arguing specifics and what the cost is

01:10:34.880 and what Israel has to gain and what America has to lose.

01:10:39.340 And, you know, when you're talking about merging the most sensitive areas

01:10:43.040 and you're talking about giving away American jobs, 0.65

01:10:47.560 you're talking about America plus Israeli technology equals genocide now?

01:10:56.080 Well, wait a minute. 0.71

01:10:57.260 You know, with no serious discussion about it and no legislative review, this is just going to happen.

01:11:07.480 Sure, people need to go to their town halls and start saying stop, but, you know, this is happening.

01:11:14.140 This thing is an express train.

01:11:16.040 It's coming down the tracks, Tucker.

01:11:18.320 Congress comes back on the 13th of July, and they're going to try to grease the wheels to make sure this thing moves through.

01:11:24.160 Who are they?

01:11:24.720 They are the people that are running the government internally and externally to push legislation, not just for $1.5 trillion for more wars, but to make sure we bring Israel into the decision-making process formally in the Department of Defense through this Section 219, which merges the defense capabilities and integrates the defense capabilities and eliminates duplication.

01:11:49.740 You're talking about eliminating duplication.

01:11:54.120 You're together.

01:11:55.320 You're one.

01:11:55.960 You're a single unit then.

01:11:59.340 At some point we're going to get, because nothing is hidden in forever,

01:12:04.620 we're going to find out exactly how many women and children,

01:12:08.620 noncombatants Israel murdered in Gaza and Lebanon and the West Bank.

01:12:15.500 and public opinion in this country 0.62

01:12:18.560 will join the rest of the world

01:12:19.820 in revulsion and horror

01:12:21.580 and Israel will suffer the same fate

01:12:24.660 that Germany has suffered for 80 years,

01:12:26.260 which is having to confront what you did

01:12:29.420 because all countries have to confront what they do.

01:12:33.000 And I just think anyone who's on board

01:12:35.240 with something like this now,

01:12:36.420 these are like the last moments

01:12:37.840 where you could vote for this with a straight face.

01:12:39.660 After this, every person who votes for this

01:12:42.440 is going to have to answer for it

01:12:43.720 in this life and the next i i think not only are you correct tucker but

01:12:49.980 the consequences of this are going to be felt

01:12:57.000 for the foreseeable future and um this is really this is really a moment of truth

01:13:07.740 for America.

01:13:11.020 You've really added so much to this.

01:13:12.500 Dennis Kucinich, thank you very much.

01:13:14.020 And I hope this makes some small difference.

01:13:16.820 Thank you, Tucker.

01:13:17.960 Appreciate it.

The Tucker Carlson Show - July 06, 2026

BREAKING： Congress Moves to Commit Treason and Allow Israel to Forever Enslave America’s Military

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