The Tucker Carlson Show - Breaking News： Russia Will Nuke Germany & the UK if Ukraine War Continues, Warns Top Putin Advisor

00:00:00.280 Well, there's a lot going on tonight around the world, certainly here in the United States,

00:00:05.020 but foreign policy has got to be the headline tonight.

00:00:07.300 And in order, here's what's happening.

00:00:09.640 We're awaiting what look like imminent strikes on Iran.

00:00:14.140 I have no idea actually whether those will happen or not, but all signs indicate something

00:00:19.360 is coming, and certainly momentum is in that direction, and events tend to follow momentum

00:00:24.460 almost independently of the judgment of people who are in charge.

00:00:27.380 So it looks like we will be striking Iran or doing something there, A.

00:00:33.720 B, it looks like the United States will be taking Greenland from Denmark, which sort of owns it.

00:00:39.900 There are pictures this afternoon of a kind of sad-looking Danish president or king or emir

00:00:45.280 or potentate or whoever runs Denmark.

00:00:48.100 Oh, how the Scandinavians have been diminished.

00:00:50.540 Leaving the White House looking kind of sad.

00:00:53.400 So it looks like the news has been delivered to him.

00:00:55.900 Sorry, no more Denmark for you.

00:00:58.700 NUC is now an American protectorate.

00:01:02.020 And then, of course, there's Venezuela.

00:01:05.080 Venezuela, as you well know, was changed.

00:01:09.420 It was regime-changed, sort of, shortly after New Year's by the Trump administration.

00:01:14.200 And the then-leader, Nicolas Maduro, and his wife were extradited.

00:01:17.860 Some say kidnapped and moved to New York.

00:01:19.680 They'll be put on trial, we are told.

00:01:21.040 And so there's that.

00:01:23.220 And that country and the rest of the world are trying to figure out, like, what are the implications of this?

00:01:26.600 And what happens to Venezuela next?

00:01:28.080 You have those top three.

00:01:29.960 And, of course, you pray sincerely and you hope.

00:01:32.400 And sometimes you tell yourself that everything's going to be completely fine.

00:01:34.640 And it may be completely fine, by the way.

00:01:36.980 We don't know any differently.

00:01:37.840 But you also assess downside risk.

00:01:42.060 What are the potential downside risks?

00:01:43.700 Without getting into too much detail, of course, they exist.

00:01:46.240 There's downside risk in every human action.

00:01:48.480 And in the case of a strike on Iran, you know, the country could fall apart and become Libya,

00:01:53.140 which is kind of a big deal given its geographic location, given its energy reserves, and given the region.

00:01:59.500 You could see Iran strike out at Israel, for example, to such an extent with conventional weapons that the Iron Dome,

00:02:07.860 the fabled Iron Dome, does not protect Israel's two largest cities and a lot of Israelis get killed.

00:02:12.500 You could see that for sure.

00:02:13.560 That's not a crazy thing to worry about.

00:02:16.380 You could also see attacks against energy infrastructure in the Gulf right across the water from Iran,

00:02:22.500 the six Gulf countries that produce a lot of the world's energy, oil and gas.

00:02:26.460 And you could see those taken out.

00:02:28.020 That's possible.

00:02:28.660 They have air defenses in their energy facilities.

00:02:31.280 But how good are they?

00:02:32.880 We don't know.

00:02:33.280 We could find out.

00:02:34.340 And if that happened, you would see an oil shock, which would lead to a global economic shock of unknown proportions.

00:02:40.200 But that's never good.

00:02:43.160 In Greenland, what are the downsides of taking Greenland?

00:02:45.920 Well, you establish a precedent that if I have the power, I get to take what I want.

00:02:50.040 That's always been enforced.

00:02:51.420 That's human nature.

00:02:52.160 We've constructed a kind of elaborate series of rules, theoretical rules designed to pretend that's not true and to mitigate it to some extent over the last 80 years.

00:03:03.440 But really, that's always been true and always will be true.

00:03:06.000 But that's a pretty tough game once you write the rules that if someone can take something because they want it, it's okay.

00:03:12.780 You have to live with them.

00:03:14.680 NATO will effectively be done.

00:03:16.520 How can you have a defensive alliance when one member acts against another?

00:03:21.520 Probably can't.

00:03:22.680 NATO is going out anyway.

00:03:23.760 Is it really bad that NATO is going away?

00:03:25.440 No.

00:03:25.700 It's a huge victory for the world and for the United States.

00:03:28.860 But it's going to be tough for its many employees and for the entire infrastructure of foreign policy thinkers such as they are in Washington and Brussels and throughout Europe.

00:03:40.900 They're going to have to face the reality that this is not a real thing anymore.

00:03:45.120 If NATO was real, then the U.S. wouldn't have taken Greenland.

00:03:48.200 So there's that, apparently, a downside.

00:03:50.580 And then in Venezuela, the downside is obvious.

00:03:52.440 You could have chaos.

00:03:53.240 You could have a black hole.

00:03:54.180 You could have a migrant crisis.

00:03:55.500 Once again, the energy infrastructure could be destroyed.

00:03:58.920 You could see a move against the government that we effectively left in place.

00:04:04.340 Sort of weird to think that a lot of people in Washington are rooting for Delce Rodriguez, apparently the head of state now, who's an accolade of Hugo Chavez.

00:04:13.200 But she also represents stability.

00:04:15.880 And at this point, stability is what people want most.

00:04:18.400 So those are the kinds of things that people who think about this stuff for a minute are concerned about.

00:04:24.340 Maybe not panicked, but definitely concerned.

00:04:27.420 But none of those concerns comes even close to what's happening in Eastern Europe, what's happening between Russia and Ukraine.

00:04:37.460 Russia, and prepare yourselves because this is the global headline, Russia is actively considering the use of nuclear weapons against Europe.

00:04:50.760 Europe, not against Kiev, against Europe, specifically the UK and Germany, just taking out the UK and Germany with nuclear weapons.

00:05:03.540 That's a fact.

00:05:04.600 Now, we're going to explain why we know that that's true in a moment.

00:05:10.200 And at the end of this open, we're going to play an interview we did a few hours ago with a man called Sergei Karnogov, who is a longtime political advisor to Vladimir Putin and one of the most famous public intellectuals in Russia, been around for about 35 years.

00:05:27.400 He's advised Boris Yeltsin, you know, 30 years ago, you know, 30 years ago, you know, 30 years ago, and in that interview, he says point blank, yes, if the Ukraine war continues at this tempo for a year or two more, we, speaking, apparently on behalf of the Russian government, on behalf of his friend Putin, or at least someone who's very familiar with President Putin's thinking,

00:05:51.900 we, saying, we, Russia, will eliminate the UK and Germany with nuclear weapons.

00:05:58.500 Now, that's a headline.

00:06:00.120 No one wants to see Qatari gas wellheads blown up.

00:06:06.340 No one wants to see killing of any kind or destruction of any kind.

00:06:09.040 But taking out the two most important countries in Europe, both of which have big American bases, lots of American personnel, of course, international banking, Germany being the economic engine of Europe, London being the banking center of Europe, really of the West, along with New York.

00:06:30.560 And, of course, these are two ancient countries with which we have close ties, history and kinship and genetics.

00:06:40.560 We're going to take them out.

00:06:41.920 We're going to eliminate those countries' nuclear weapons, saying that right into camera.

00:06:45.880 So that's a pretty big story.

00:06:48.080 Have you read that story?

00:06:50.020 Has anyone mentioned that to you?

00:06:51.640 Do you know that the most famous public intellectual in Russia, a close friend of Vladimir Putin's, exactly the same age, the two were born a month apart, have known each other a long time, is saying in public that Russia plans to use nuclear weapons against Western Europe?

00:07:11.200 Russia is going to blow up the UK and Germany if things don't get resolved soon.

00:07:16.420 You probably haven't heard that.

00:07:17.420 It hasn't actually been on the front page of the New York Times.

00:07:19.680 I don't think the Times of London has mentioned it.

00:07:22.820 No one seems to be paying any attention at all to the biggest story of our lifetimes, potentially.

00:07:29.680 And that's very odd.

00:07:30.720 And it's not just one guy who's friends with Putin who's saying this.

00:07:34.540 If you watch carefully, or not even carefully, with one eye open at what Russia's been doing recently, things are changing.

00:07:41.420 So Russia has publicly rewritten its nuclear strategy to include use of nuclear weapons against countries that are acting as proxies for nuclear armed powers.

00:07:54.920 Now, this is kind of classic Russian bureaucratic talk, but it means that under Russian law, Russia is permitted to, by its own rules, blow up Germany.

00:08:05.640 Even though Germany does not have nuclear weapons, the UK supposedly does.

00:08:09.780 I wonder whose hands they're in.

00:08:11.240 But Germany does not have nuclear weapons.

00:08:13.060 And Russia has just said, no, you're fair game for a nuclear strike.

00:08:17.100 And not a, so not a defensive nuclear strike.

00:08:19.480 Like, you launched us, we're going to launch against you.

00:08:21.880 No.

00:08:22.220 You keep poking us in the face, and we're going to eliminate you.

00:08:26.280 He said that publicly.

00:08:27.180 And then last week, a week ago, I think a week ago today, Russia sent hypersonic missiles into Kiev, into Kiev, Ukraine.

00:08:38.860 Now, the hypersonic missiles killed probably four people.

00:08:42.640 This was not an attack designed to destroy important infrastructure or to cause massive civilian casualties.

00:08:50.720 This was an attack designed as a message, and the Russians just said this, point blank.

00:08:55.140 This was an attack designed to say, whoa, you've pushed us too far.

00:09:00.660 We feel like our core interests, our existential interests, are threatened.

00:09:04.540 And if you don't back off, the next hypersonic missile we send, against which no country has any meaningful defense,

00:09:10.920 you can't stop a hypersonic missile.

00:09:13.320 No one has even claimed that you can.

00:09:16.780 The next one will have a nuclear warhead on it.

00:09:19.520 And it's coming at you, Europe.

00:09:22.840 So let's just think this through for a sec.

00:09:24.140 Why would Russia, which is supposedly in this bitter war against Ukraine, being backstopped by NATO and the U.S., etc., etc.,

00:09:31.240 but they're fighting Ukraine over territory.

00:09:34.140 Why would Russia be threatening Europe?

00:09:37.940 Ah, because the Russians, whatever their faults, don't lie to themselves as aggressively as we do.

00:09:46.740 And the Russians are saying out loud what is absolutely true about this war, which is it's a proxy war.

00:09:52.020 It is not a war between Russia and Ukraine, and it never has been.

00:09:57.000 And nothing that's happened in Ukraine since the fall of the Soviet Union 35 years ago has really been about Ukraine.

00:10:03.220 There has been a global scramble to control Ukraine, its land, its resources.

00:10:09.500 There are other reasons people want to control Ukraine that are not directly related to land or resources that have to do with history.

00:10:15.820 But in any case, non-Ukrainians have been calling the shots in Ukraine for 35 years.

00:10:22.380 That's what Maidan was.

00:10:23.900 That's what the coup, the U.S.-backed coup was.

00:10:26.760 None of this had anything to do with Ukraine.

00:10:29.580 What's best for Ukraine?

00:10:30.700 We're going to make Ukraine a sovereign nation.

00:10:32.260 The opposite has happened.

00:10:33.960 Ukraine has less sovereignty.

00:10:36.100 Ukraine is more of a puppet.

00:10:37.620 And Ukraine has suffered more than maybe any country on earth over the last four years.

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00:13:09.160 But first, just to show you how completely this war is being controlled from the outside on behalf of outside,

00:13:18.040 non-Ukrainian interests for reasons that have nothing to do with what's good for Ukraine,

00:13:22.540 I want to show you the following clip.

00:13:24.920 And by the way, if you just want to prove the point,

00:13:26.620 how many Ukrainians have been killed in this war paid for by the West?

00:13:29.980 Paid for by NATO and Joe Biden?

00:13:32.600 No one knows.

00:13:34.860 Hundreds of thousands, obviously, it's depopulated the country, but nobody cares.

00:13:38.880 And you would think that if we're waging a war on behalf of the freedom-seeking people of Ukraine,

00:13:45.340 if we love the Ukrainians so much that we're willing to send them hundreds of millions of dollars

00:13:51.180 and our best CIA targeters and willing to put biolabs in their country to defend them from Russian aggression,

00:13:58.560 you would think if we love them that much, we might keep a tally of how many of them have been killed

00:14:03.500 in the prime of life on the flat landscape of Ukraine.

00:14:08.240 But, of course, no one's keeping score because nobody cares.

00:14:14.900 The people running this war on the Western side have zero interest in what it costs Ukraine.

00:14:22.600 None.

00:14:23.580 Because it was never about them in the first place.

00:14:26.420 And now to the promised clip.

00:14:27.580 This was shot about 10 years ago.

00:14:29.740 We just saw it.

00:14:31.100 And it's an amazingly instructive piece of videotape.

00:14:34.020 Now, you will see and you will recognize immediately the Hungarian man on the left.

00:14:38.360 That would be Mr. George Soros, one of the world's most successful financiers.

00:14:43.560 I think he's euphemistically described a guy who's bet against national currencies,

00:14:48.040 really done nothing to make the world a better place or to improve the lives of individuals,

00:14:52.760 has only sown chaos and hatred and violence, really for the length of his professional life,

00:14:58.920 for whatever reason, whatever motive might be animating him.

00:15:02.720 He is on the left.

00:15:03.380 On the right is a woman called Chrystia Freeland.

00:15:05.940 Now, she's not Ukrainian either.

00:15:09.000 She's from Canada.

00:15:09.800 She's from Alberta, Canada.

00:15:11.240 She spent the bulk of her career as a journalist working for Reuters and other news organizations,

00:15:16.820 news organizations like that, both in London and in Washington,

00:15:19.860 where we spent quite a bit of time with her.

00:15:22.940 And then she became the deputy prime minister of Canada under Justin Trudeau.

00:15:29.780 And an economic poobah.

00:15:33.520 And if you're interested in how well she did, well, you can just look up facts about the current state of the Canadian economy.

00:15:38.900 Not very well.

00:15:40.060 But here's the interesting thing.

00:15:41.460 Just recently, Chrystia Freeland, who, again, is not a product of Ukraine.

00:15:47.980 She grew up in Canada and lived in London and Washington.

00:15:54.020 Chrystia Freeland is somehow working for president, unelected president, Zelensky in Ukraine,

00:16:00.280 who himself is not really that Ukrainian, grew up speaking Russian.

00:16:04.900 He's a citizen of the world like she is, like they all are.

00:16:09.400 But she's now an unpaid economic advisor to Ukraine.

00:16:13.680 Unpaid.

00:16:15.520 Right.

00:16:16.740 Okay.

00:16:17.440 They're divvying up the natural resources of a country they know will soon collapse.

00:16:21.780 With no regard for the people who've been killed, of course.

00:16:25.980 But here is Chrystia Freeland and George Soros 10 years ago talking about Ukraine and in so doing, giving the game away.

00:16:37.140 Watch this.

00:16:38.460 Yeah.

00:16:38.760 And I will just offer my own personal testimony here.

00:16:41.480 It's actually amazing in Ukraine, the new Ukrainian government, the new Ukrainian leadership.

00:16:48.000 Everyone who I know in that group has been touched somehow by Open Society and by George Soros, like literally.

00:16:57.940 Either people personally got a scholarship or someone, you know, their wife got a scholarship.

00:17:03.420 It's a really remarkable thing.

00:17:05.660 Well, this is, for me, quite an experience to see this.

00:17:12.520 And I didn't realize, actually, how big an effect it has had over a 25-year period.

00:17:22.940 Because those were students, 25 years later, they were leaders.

00:17:28.960 Everybody she knows in Ukrainian leadership, says Chrystia Freeland, everybody has taken money from George Soros or their wives have taken money from George Soros.

00:17:42.140 Everyone running the country is actually employed by this Hungarian billionaire who's got nothing to do with the country.

00:17:53.000 Oh.

00:17:54.400 No one would admit that now.

00:17:56.200 That's a conspiracy theory.

00:17:57.780 But George Soros smiled and took credit for it.

00:18:00.500 Of course.

00:18:01.080 We had no idea how successful we were.

00:18:04.320 Successful at what?

00:18:06.260 What was the plan here?

00:18:08.620 You put everybody in a country's leadership on your payroll?

00:18:12.660 To what end?

00:18:13.680 What were you trying to achieve?

00:18:16.520 Well, I guess we could debate what Soros' motives were at the time.

00:18:20.880 But we don't need to because, as we know, the purpose of a system is its outcome.

00:18:27.780 Over time, we don't have to guess about why certain people or certain organizations exist.

00:18:36.500 We can instead look at what they do.

00:18:39.700 We can judge the tree by its fruit.

00:18:42.660 And the current state of Ukraine was clearly the point all along.

00:18:50.840 Destroy the country.

00:18:53.040 Depopulate it.

00:18:55.300 Change the laws that prevent foreigners from buying its natural resources.

00:18:59.800 It's a land.

00:19:00.600 Some of the most fertile farmland in the world.

00:19:03.740 Huge tracts of it.

00:19:04.720 It's an enormous country.

00:19:05.640 It's the biggest country in Europe.

00:19:06.760 Also, the weakest and the most corrupt.

00:19:10.360 Many people doing this had ancestors in Ukraine.

00:19:13.080 So there very much is a sense that, wait a second.

00:19:15.780 You know, this is ours, too.

00:19:16.640 Christopher Freeland had ancestors from Ukraine.

00:19:19.480 A lot of people involved in making policy about Ukraine had ancestors in Ukraine.

00:19:24.680 And so there is a kind of entitlement that you see on display.

00:19:28.960 No, no, this is an interest.

00:19:30.100 Of course.

00:19:30.800 We have a right to weigh in on this.

00:19:33.420 But not for the benefit of the Ukrainians.

00:19:36.680 Really, all of this is about taking what once belonged to the country they claimed they loved

00:19:44.920 and using that country in order to defeat its much larger neighbor, which is the real prize, Russia.

00:19:52.960 And this has been true for over 100 years, for hundreds of years.

00:19:57.180 How many times have Europeans tried to invade Russia?

00:19:59.520 A few.

00:20:01.040 Napoleon tried.

00:20:02.240 Why does everyone want to invade Russia?

00:20:04.560 It's far away.

00:20:05.780 It's freezing.

00:20:07.680 No one ever succeeds in doing it.

00:20:09.920 It's like Afghanistan or Yemen.

00:20:13.640 Not a long track record of victory of outside forces taking control.

00:20:18.680 There are a few peoples around the world that are tough to beat, history suggests.

00:20:22.640 And the Russians are at the top of that list.

00:20:24.300 So why do people keep trying?

00:20:25.340 Well, in a word, resources.

00:20:26.980 That's why.

00:20:28.840 Russia is unimaginably large.

00:20:31.540 Literally unimaginably.

00:20:32.800 Most people in the West haven't imagined how large Russia is.

00:20:35.920 Russia is larger than China and India put together.

00:20:41.020 You combine the land mass of China, so big you can barely get your head around it, and India, almost as big, and together they're smaller than Russia.

00:20:51.860 Siberia itself is about the size of the continental United States, and there are like 10 million people living there.

00:20:59.240 In all of Russia, there are about 140 million, something like that.

00:21:02.920 In all of Russia.

00:21:05.180 Meanwhile, Russia has the deepest energy reserves in the world.

00:21:10.040 Some of the highest uranium enrichment in the world.

00:21:16.200 It is, by some measures, the most gold in the world.

00:21:20.340 Silver.

00:21:21.460 Bauxite for aluminum.

00:21:23.380 Timber.

00:21:23.940 By far the largest timber reserves in the world.

00:21:27.300 Which people still need, by the way.

00:21:29.440 Pulp for paper.

00:21:31.060 Dimensional lumber for building.

00:21:32.740 People still need trees.

00:21:33.740 And Russia has more than any other place.

00:21:36.500 Primarily in Siberia, but not just in Siberia.

00:21:38.680 And of course farmland.

00:21:40.380 And agricultural products.

00:21:42.740 Fertilizer.

00:21:43.880 Wheat.

00:21:45.420 Russia has as much or more than anyone and very few people.

00:21:50.340 So the promise of access to Russian resources and space and land has been a siren that has called invaders for centuries.

00:22:03.160 And no judgment, by the way.

00:22:04.280 You can see why.

00:22:05.880 If Greenland is a prize, what is Russia?

00:22:08.220 The biggest prize of all.

00:22:09.680 And you saw this attitude on display the moment the wall fell.

00:22:14.560 And rapacious foreigners, mostly bankers, moved into Russia and stripped it.

00:22:20.340 And they were helped along by a lot of unscrupulous indigenous Russians.

00:22:23.980 It wasn't just outsiders who did it.

00:22:26.360 Some Russian oligarchs did it to their own people.

00:22:28.400 But the fact is a small group of people denuded the country.

00:22:31.660 Looted it.

00:22:33.900 And unfortunately this always plays out in exactly the same way.

00:22:37.440 It's not enough to loot.

00:22:38.800 You have to take everything and drive everyone else into despair, hopelessness, and poverty.

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00:25:41.260 Russia 30 years ago, 35 years ago, was one of the, well, certainly the poorest country west of, I don't know.

00:25:51.520 Who even knows?

00:25:53.200 I mean, Bhutan?

00:25:55.960 Really poor.

00:25:57.240 And divided, and sad, and defeated, and alcoholism, and drug use, and gasoline huffing, and suicide were endemic.

00:26:08.780 And who did that?

00:26:09.820 Well, the Russians, to some extent, did it to themselves.

00:26:12.620 You know, they were living in this Soviet system for 70 years.

00:26:15.880 But outsiders did it to them, too.

00:26:18.360 That's a fact.

00:26:20.020 And whatever you think of Putin, he's bad.

00:26:23.200 Putin got that under control.

00:26:24.700 And Russia, in 2026, bears no resemblance whatsoever to Russia in 2000, the year Putin took over.

00:26:31.880 And one of the main changes he made is he kicked the money changers out of the temple.

00:26:36.620 He did.

00:26:37.400 Sorry.

00:26:38.880 Everyone else has forgotten that, ignores it.

00:26:41.720 He kicked the oligarchs out, or he brought them to his side.

00:26:44.280 You can't act independently of the national interest.

00:26:46.360 Sure, you can become a billionaire, but some of it has to go to the country.

00:26:49.100 And that was spun in the West as cartel behavior.

00:26:56.260 He's the mafia boss.

00:26:57.100 Okay, fine.

00:26:57.660 He's the mafia boss.

00:26:59.780 But the real answer to the question, did it work or not, is obvious not just in the numbers,

00:27:04.180 but in the state of the country, the visible state of the country now versus 25 years ago.

00:27:08.440 It's a completely different place.

00:27:09.240 It's no longer Bhutan.

00:27:11.080 It's not Africa.

00:27:12.880 By some measures, it's much richer than any country in Western Europe.

00:27:17.320 In fact, by every measure it is.

00:27:19.200 By every single measure.

00:27:20.660 Is it richer than Spain?

00:27:22.200 Is it richer than the UK?

00:27:24.140 Oh, yeah.

00:27:25.000 Much.

00:27:25.440 So that is both tempting to elites from around the world.

00:27:32.880 Wait a second.

00:27:33.440 Why do 140 million Russians get all this stuff?

00:27:35.620 We should have some too.

00:27:36.820 But it is also an indictment of their leadership.

00:27:40.920 If you're Boris Johnson and your ancestors ruled the waves, ruled the British Empire,

00:27:49.180 and your country is a kind of sad, Urdu-speaking museum now,

00:27:54.260 that's insulting.

00:27:57.600 Really?

00:27:58.020 The Russians?

00:27:59.620 Those weird half-Slavic?

00:28:02.060 I mean, they dominate world chess, but like, really?

00:28:04.300 They're not really white?

00:28:05.780 And how are they doing so well?

00:28:08.840 This is outrageous.

00:28:10.620 It is an indictment of your own leadership.

00:28:13.300 And in countries across Europe, the leaders feel that way.

00:28:15.680 Russia is an embarrassment to them because it is, relatively speaking, thriving.

00:28:20.700 And so they all, as one, back to the Biden administration's plan to have a war with Russia.

00:28:28.600 And let's stop lying.

00:28:29.880 This was not an unprovoked invasion.

00:28:32.720 Putin just randomly went over the line into eastern Ukraine and stole these oblasts.

00:28:37.320 He stole this land that belonged to another people.

00:28:39.360 That's a total lie.

00:28:41.620 And it's not a defense of Putin to call it out as a lie because it is.

00:28:44.280 And everybody knows it now.

00:28:45.820 The truth is that in 2001, Putin, same guy, same leader, asked the Bush administration,

00:28:51.960 in person, directly to George W. Bush, I would like to join NATO.

00:28:55.600 I would like to join the defensive alliance that exists to keep me from moving west into western Europe.

00:29:01.220 In other words, you won.

00:29:04.580 I'm joining your team.

00:29:07.120 And due in part to his own limitations as a leader and due in part to the counsel that he received from Condoleezza Rice at the time,

00:29:15.900 George W. Bush turned down that offer and prevented Russia from joining NATO.

00:29:23.700 And the guest we're going to speak to in a moment, if you're wondering if he has a good track record of calling future events,

00:29:31.200 said at the time, this decision to turn down Vladimir Putin's, 25 years ago,

00:29:38.260 Vladimir Putin's request to join NATO, to join the West, to all be in it together, to work together.

00:29:45.320 This decision made by the Bush administration guarantees a collision with the West.

00:29:50.100 We are now on a collision course.

00:29:51.780 And of course, he was absolutely right.

00:29:54.400 Because NATO didn't want Russia because NATO wanted a war with Russia.

00:29:59.220 And boy, they got it.

00:30:00.980 And so from 2001 all the way to 2022, 21 years, NATO moved inexorably east, surrounding Russia.

00:30:09.340 And many times, again, this is not a defense of Russia.

00:30:13.140 It's just a fact.

00:30:14.580 Many times the Russian government under Putin said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:30:17.660 You are threatening our core national interest, which is not to have other people's missiles on our borders back off.

00:30:24.900 And then in 2014, the Obama administration overthrew the government of Ukraine to put an American puppet in there, thereby sealing the fate of nations.

00:30:37.260 When that happened, and Sergei Karaganov said it at the time, you have just guaranteed a war in Ukraine that will destroy Ukraine.

00:30:46.700 So as you listen to the interview, and we hope you listen carefully, because the English is not flawless, and it was done over satellite from Moscow.

00:30:53.300 So it's not the best audio, but it's worth listening.

00:30:57.060 That man that you're going to hear has a long track record of calling events right.

00:31:03.160 And it's not to detract from his powers of perception or his intellect, which is formidable, to say other people could have drawn the same conclusions because it's pretty freaking obvious.

00:31:14.900 If you exclude Russia from NATO, you're probably seeking a war with Russia.

00:31:19.680 And if you try to put nuclear armed missiles on Russia's border, you're probably going to get a military response.

00:31:25.240 That's exactly what he said.

00:31:26.840 And, of course, he was laughed at in Europe, where he'd spent a lot of his life, and he was totally ignored by the United States.

00:31:36.080 And our policymakers were on to this, that, or the other thing.

00:31:38.560 They were not paying any attention at all, and to the extent they were, they were very excited for this war with Russia.

00:31:43.780 And they never really explained why.

00:31:45.360 And then once that war began four years ago, they began to act through their proxy, the Ukrainian government under Zelensky, truly a proxy, in a war that has been managed from day one, in part by the CIA, our CIA, targeting by the CIA.

00:32:02.400 Anyone who tells you that's not true is lying.

00:32:03.800 They began to act with not just recklessness, but extreme recklessness, the kind of behavior that suggests you don't care about the consequences at all.

00:32:13.360 You're just all in.

00:32:15.240 Actually, at some point, the kind of behavior that suggests a death wish, that suggests, like, I actually want a nuclear holocaust.

00:32:22.980 I'm happy to risk the lives of my family, my nation, and the world in a nuclear exchange.

00:32:28.980 And we know that because of what they did.

00:32:31.060 They blew up Nord Stream, which was the main source of natural gas for Europe.

00:32:37.720 So that did two things.

00:32:39.280 One, it destroyed the European economy.

00:32:41.320 That was obviously going to happen.

00:32:44.880 And it did.

00:32:46.760 Because you can't have a robust economy, certainly not a manufacturing economy, without cheap energy.

00:32:53.200 Without cheap energy, you're left with what?

00:32:55.060 Real estate and finance.

00:32:57.360 And, of course, the people making these decisions are familiar only with real estate and finance, because that's the world they live in.

00:33:05.040 But in the real world, countries become rich and powerful and stable and resilient because they make things.

00:33:11.740 So that's the first thing.

00:33:13.180 We blew up Nord Stream.

00:33:14.520 So that destroys our supposedly closest allies in Europe, particularly in Germany.

00:33:18.480 Germany, Germans hate themselves so much they won't even admit that we did it, but we did it through proxies.

00:33:25.300 But we did it as we said we would.

00:33:28.440 And the second thing that it did is send a very clear message to Russia.

00:33:31.680 We're done.

00:33:33.380 We're not going to have a kind of Vietnam scenario where we have a proxy war.

00:33:38.760 But, you know, there are limits to our behavior.

00:33:40.620 Yeah, we'll spray Agent Orange, but we're not actually going to, you know, level Hanoi.

00:33:47.180 We'd bomb it on the edges.

00:33:48.840 But, you know, there are limits to what we're going to do because we don't actually want to war with the Soviets.

00:33:54.460 American and NATO behavior since the beginning of this war suggested no limits at all.

00:33:59.620 Blowing up Russian infrastructure, trying to assassinate Putin repeatedly.

00:34:04.360 They lie about it, but yes, they have.

00:34:07.260 Yes, they have.

00:34:08.120 The Ukrainian government has tried to assassinate Vladimir Putin multiple times.

00:34:13.860 Has the CIA assisted with the targeting of those drones?

00:34:17.580 Yes, obviously.

00:34:19.540 Tell me how you didn't.

00:34:21.780 No one's even asked them.

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00:34:26.540 It's getting weaker.

00:34:27.440 It's sad, but we're not in charge of it.

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00:34:32.480 When paper money dies, it's going to be replaced by programmable digital currency or gold.

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00:35:35.040 And again, it's not taking sides against the United States with Russia.

00:35:43.300 No.

00:35:44.020 It's trying to think clearly about what are the potential consequences of this kind of behavior.

00:35:48.180 Torquing it up consistently over four years to a point where you've cornered a great power.

00:35:55.780 Oh, but that's the problem.

00:35:57.960 They don't consider Russia a great power.

00:36:00.140 They're not a great power!

00:36:01.180 You know what Russia is?

00:36:05.100 Russia's a gas station with nuclear weapons.

00:36:08.640 Watch this.

00:36:10.100 I think economic sanctions are a very important step.

00:36:13.400 Identify these kleptocrats.

00:36:15.420 And look, Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country.

00:36:19.700 It is a wounded and declining nation.

00:36:22.920 It has an uncompetitive economy.

00:36:25.540 Senator McCain used to joke that Russia is a gas station pretending to be a country.

00:36:31.760 It's declining population, of course, contributes to its decline.

00:36:36.060 We'll see a view of Putin.

00:36:37.920 Look, I think he's got grand ambitions.

00:36:39.820 I think he's hostile to the United States.

00:36:41.640 But I think the thing that we've seen is he doesn't have the conventional capability to realize his ambitions.

00:36:46.880 And so he's basically a gas station with a bunch of nuclear weapons.

00:36:50.860 If the president could rally the world to push back against Russian aggression and really hit them economically, have sanctions that hit really hard, then Putin is basically a gas station masquerading as a country.

00:37:03.700 There's really nothing more embarrassing.

00:37:07.760 And as someone who knows all four of the men you just saw say that, you pause and you think, we are a great nation.

00:37:13.780 It's the United States.

00:37:14.400 We're a great nation.

00:37:16.020 And we should be led.

00:37:17.140 In particular, policies that matter that could determine whether your children live or die should be led by great men.

00:37:24.240 Men with wisdom above all, restraint, a sense of longitudinal interest, it matters what this looks like in 100 years, that should be part of the calculation, and knowledge and lived experience.

00:37:36.620 And none of those four men you just saw, all four of whom have been major players in formulating U.S. foreign policy over many decades, none of them meet any of those criteria.

00:37:47.820 These are weak, unwise, in the case of John McCain, though very charming, I will say, low IQ people.

00:37:54.760 True.

00:37:55.540 That's just true.

00:37:56.740 They don't know anything.

00:37:58.640 So you could say, everything about Russia I found repulsive.

00:38:02.180 Everything about it offends my sensibilities as an American.

00:38:04.420 That's fine.

00:38:05.400 People feel that way.

00:38:06.620 But you can't dismiss it as a gas station with nuclear weapons because that reveals you as ignorant.

00:38:13.800 Because it's the opposite of that, of course.

00:38:15.880 On a cultural level, the country that produced Tolstoy and Dostoevsky, more than a gas station.

00:38:23.140 But it also suggests that you are doing the one thing you can never do with an adversary, and that's underestimate his power and resilience.

00:38:34.000 You have to see the people you're in conflict with clearly, or you will get hurt.

00:38:39.380 But that's the real risk here.

00:38:41.300 Not just you'll act like the ugly American, you're a buffoon.

00:38:43.580 They're a gas station with nuclear weapons.

00:38:44.940 What a clever line.

00:38:46.560 I heard that from my donor.

00:38:47.740 I'm going to repeat it.

00:38:48.460 I'd meet the press.

00:38:49.180 Which is exactly what the poor DeSantis, doesn't know anything, was doing, trying to sound statesman-like.

00:38:55.460 Oh, I just heard this.

00:38:56.500 Gas station with nuclear weapons.

00:38:57.520 Oh, so good.

00:38:59.520 You know, you reveal that you're just a rube.

00:39:02.520 Go back to Orlando.

00:39:03.360 But it's more than that.

00:39:07.200 You can wind up way over your head, and we are now way over our heads because of that attitude.

00:39:15.460 Lindsey Graham, who, to his credit, has been around.

00:39:18.240 He's been everywhere.

00:39:19.880 Lindsey Graham has still not picked up the one quality you hope that travel instills in a person, which is wisdom.

00:39:27.300 Zero.

00:39:27.780 And there's a particularly sad line at the end of the clip you just saw from Lindsey Graham where he said,

00:39:33.340 If just we can make our sanctions tough enough, we just need tough sanctions, and that will bring Russia to its knees.

00:39:41.480 Well, we did that, actually.

00:39:43.320 But who got brought to his knees?

00:39:44.940 Was it Russia?

00:39:46.980 No.

00:39:47.780 It was not.

00:39:48.440 It was us.

00:39:50.160 One of the saddest things this country's ever done is sabotaged its own currency over time.

00:39:55.780 But if you were to isolate a moment where the U.S. dollar's future became dim, it would have to be in the Biden administration's immediate response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

00:40:09.720 That was the moment that we kicked Russia out of swift.

00:40:12.340 We just stole the personal property of people who didn't work for the Russian government, the so-called oligarchs, which just means businessmen.

00:40:19.780 Businessmen just took their stuff because they had Russian names and prevented Russians from playing in international sporting events.

00:40:28.040 You can't be at Wimbledon.

00:40:29.220 There's an O.V. at the end of your name or whatever.

00:40:32.780 So we humiliated ourselves, of course, by behaving.

00:40:36.240 Who behaves like that?

00:40:37.720 But we also sabotaged our own core interest, which is the maintenance of the U.S. dollars, the world's reserve currency.

00:40:43.560 That's the key thing that we have.

00:40:45.260 It's not our manufacturing base that makes us rich.

00:40:47.160 Sorry.

00:40:47.820 Wish it was.

00:40:49.240 It's the U.S. dollars, the privilege of holding the currency that, say, energy transactions are conducted in.

00:40:57.380 Everyone has to use dollars.

00:40:58.280 It's called the petrodollar.

00:40:59.080 Been there since 1971.

00:41:00.840 You tamper with that, and the bills come due, and you become poor.

00:41:05.160 And then all the downstream effects of poverty, which include violence, by the way, and chaos.

00:41:12.220 That was the single most unwise thing any administration has done in my lifetime, 56 years.

00:41:19.540 That was the dumbest thing.

00:41:20.460 It was the most self-destructive thing.

00:41:22.380 So what was gold trading at?

00:41:24.140 Do you remember?

00:41:24.960 If you've got a phone in your hand right now, look it up.

00:41:26.660 What was gold trading at?

00:41:28.480 Just say February 1st, 2022.

00:41:33.300 About $1,700 an ounce, which is high.

00:41:35.560 It was high.

00:41:36.920 You check gold prices today.

00:41:38.040 The spot price of gold today is about $4,600 per ounce.

00:41:44.320 Has the S&P grown that much in four years?

00:41:47.680 No.

00:41:49.040 Has anything?

00:41:50.020 No.

00:41:50.780 Why gold?

00:41:51.840 Is there some new industrial application for gold?

00:41:54.560 No.

00:41:55.620 There are some, but not really.

00:41:58.240 People are buying gold as an option to the U.S. dollar.

00:42:03.260 Gold is what you buy when you want out of the dollar because you don't believe it has a bright future.

00:42:08.320 You dump your treasuries and you buy gold.

00:42:11.940 And the people who actually understand the system because they made it and participated in it and are its biggest players are doing that.

00:42:19.780 China is doing that.

00:42:20.740 Now, why in 2026 would you dump treasuries, which they have, a lot of treasuries, and buy gold, the most primitive medium of exchange?

00:42:31.780 Like the Assyrians use gold.

00:42:33.980 Gold?

00:42:34.580 Only superstitious people buy gold.

00:42:37.560 I'm not making the case that there's some inherent quality in gold that makes it valuable.

00:42:43.280 I'm making the case that compared to what?

00:42:46.440 You're doing that because you believe the U.S. dollar is unsafe.

00:42:51.160 And why do you believe that?

00:42:54.500 Because the U.S. government just used it as a political weapon against a great power.

00:43:00.540 That's why.

00:43:01.000 Anybody could have figured this out.

00:43:04.380 And the second thing that happened almost immediately is that Russia formed a durable alliance with China.

00:43:14.740 Now, think about this for a second.

00:43:16.700 Donald Trump, to his great credit, used to say this.

00:43:19.180 The worst thing Biden ever did was drive Russia into an alliance with China.

00:43:24.360 Why is that the worst thing?

00:43:25.520 Because here you have the largest economy in the world, which is China, and you have the largest resource density in the world and the biggest country in the world, which is Russia, combining against you.

00:43:39.140 So I think by anybody's count, there are four really kind of major players in our near-to-long-term future globally, and they are the U.S., Russia.

00:43:50.640 It's more than a gas station with nuclear weapons, sorry.

00:43:52.960 India and China.

00:43:57.060 Now, who knows where India is going to land?

00:43:58.800 But if you've got Russia and China against you, it's tough.

00:44:02.620 That's not only not unipolar, that's like an actual threat to your interests.

00:44:06.660 That's an actual threat to your interests.

00:44:08.080 Don't allow that.

00:44:10.260 The reason Richard Nixon flew to Beijing 50 years ago, 55 years ago, and met with Chairman Mao, who, by the way, was a lot more of a monster than Putin's ever thought of being, was not a Christian, unlike Putin.

00:44:22.960 He killed, you know, 100 million of his own people.

00:44:26.520 Richard Nixon flew there anyway and, quote, opened up China, made an alliance with China.

00:44:30.560 Why?

00:44:31.300 To split it from Russia.

00:44:32.860 Because he understood that was the threat.

00:44:34.560 The bloc, the alliance of countries that don't share our interest, is a massive threat to us.

00:44:38.780 And to the dollar, he did that.

00:44:42.120 And it worked for like 50 years.

00:44:43.600 Until Joe Biden, with the help of the U.S. Congress, probably the largest collection of unwise cowards in the English-speaking world, got together and decided that they could levy sanctions against this country, which they deemed bad for reasons they never really explained.

00:45:01.280 Except Russia reacted to their provocations and went over a border that no one can find on a map.

00:45:06.300 Because of that, we needed to act and do something because we're Winston Churchill, not Neville Chamberlain.

00:45:11.860 And everything's about World War II.

00:45:13.340 And we need to stop Russian aggression.

00:45:15.280 By the way, we were on Russia's side during World War II.

00:45:16.900 But shut up.

00:45:17.360 You're not supposed to know that.

00:45:18.240 And we're going to punish them, not by actually joining the Ukrainian military and putting our lives on the line because, hey, we've got better things to do than go die in someone else's war.

00:45:26.960 But we're going to sanction them.

00:45:29.760 Very tough sanctions.

00:45:33.220 Despite the living proof that not only do sanctions not work, they are counterproductive to the stated aims.

00:45:40.400 And if that's untrue, what happened in Cuba exactly, which got sanctioned in about 1960?

00:45:45.980 Oh, Raul Castro is still alive and still has power in that country.

00:45:51.760 The country's gotten poorer.

00:45:53.460 Don't think Raul Castro has.

00:45:55.460 They don't work.

00:45:56.760 They have the opposite effect.

00:45:58.700 And by the way, they are dishonorable and feline.

00:46:01.360 They're a weak man's form of diplomacy.

00:46:04.680 When Lindsey Graham is running around pretending to be tough, the man with the size five shoe is telling you he's the man on the scene.

00:46:10.860 You know what you're watching is pantomime.

00:46:13.220 It's acting.

00:46:13.760 You're watching a weak man pose as a strong man.

00:46:17.620 And the decisions that he makes reflect that.

00:46:19.800 That's why they all love sanctions.

00:46:22.420 But in this case, in this specific case, sanctions shafted the United States.

00:46:27.740 And I think it's worth saying that out loud so our grandchildren looking back on this time and asking, why don't we live like our grandparents did, can assign appropriate blame.

00:46:39.440 Sanctions did not punish Vladimir Putin.

00:46:41.660 They punished the United States and they completely destroyed Europe, which is where our ancestors came from and where our religion comes from.

00:46:47.440 So it's not a small thing.

00:46:50.280 But they didn't work.

00:46:51.380 And by the way, neither did the military action that we spent hundreds of millions of dollars paying for in Ukraine, a military action that was never designed to liberate Ukraine, but to beat Russia, whatever that means.

00:47:06.340 How can you beat a cohesive ancient empire?

00:47:09.860 Probably can't.

00:47:11.300 When this country was founded 250 years ago, Russia was an empire.

00:47:14.200 It's not like us, okay?

00:47:19.480 Russia will be here.

00:47:20.860 We know that, whether you like it or not.

00:47:22.660 So deal with it in a constructive way.

00:47:25.700 But they couldn't.

00:47:27.880 And so once the war got rolling and it became really, really clear that we had lost.

00:47:32.220 Oh, we haven't lost.

00:47:33.120 What are you, a Putin puppet?

00:47:34.760 Okay.

00:47:35.700 Really simple metric.

00:47:37.780 Putin rolls across the border into Ukraine.

00:47:40.360 Ukraine, Ukraine, really just like a satellite of the United States and the Biden administration, but rolls into this supposedly different country and we can't get them out.

00:47:51.900 No matter how many hundreds of millions of dollars we send them and how many biolabs we have there, no matter how many threats, CIA officers we send over there to do the targeting of the drones, still there.

00:48:02.220 And they're not leaving.

00:48:04.480 So what does that leave you with?

00:48:05.880 Well, again, I would refer you to not the smartest foreign policy strategist we have, but certainly the most cable-friendly, Lindsey Graham.

00:48:16.520 Watch this.

00:48:17.720 How does this end?

00:48:19.140 Somebody in Russia has to step up to the plate.

00:48:22.820 Is there a Brutus in Russia?

00:48:24.760 Is there a more successful Colonel Stoppenberg in the Russian military?

00:48:28.500 The only way this ends, my friend, is for somebody in Russia to take this guy out.

00:48:34.060 You would be doing your country a great service and the world a great service.

00:48:37.760 I'm hoping somebody in Russia will understand that he's destroying Russia and you need to take this guy out by any means possible.

00:48:46.660 Yeah, I hope he'll be taken out one way or the other.

00:48:50.360 I don't care how they take him out.

00:48:51.880 I don't care if we send him to The Hague and try him.

00:48:56.360 I just want him to go.

00:48:57.340 Yes, I'm on record.

00:48:59.300 Please understand, Senator Lindsey Graham, if John McCain were here, he'd be saying the same thing, I think.

00:49:05.560 It's time for him to go.

00:49:07.400 He's a war criminal.

00:49:10.320 I wish somebody had taken Hitler out in the 30s.

00:49:16.160 Live by the sword, die by the sword.

00:49:17.920 Do you really want to call for the extrajudicial murder of another head of state?

00:49:22.380 Is that a precedent you want to live with?

00:49:25.900 Probably not, actually.

00:49:27.520 Probably not.

00:49:28.420 And if you're a country that believes in the rule of law, pretty shocking thing, really, for a lawmaker to say, well, just assassinate him.

00:49:36.520 It's just a tool of foreign policy.

00:49:37.640 No, we're not Israel.

00:49:38.920 We don't conduct foreign policy through assassination, actually.

00:49:42.860 We shouldn't.

00:49:43.900 Apparently now we do.

00:49:45.600 Is that okay with people?

00:49:47.320 You don't like someone, so you just kill them?

00:49:48.660 If those are the rules, we will have to live with those rules, and you don't need a particularly powerful imagination to envision how that ends, and not well at all.

00:50:05.280 So if you're going to be a beacon of freedom, be one and call the just to account and don't punish the innocent, which is why sanctions are not only ineffective but also immoral.

00:50:15.120 But moreover, if you're waging a war against a country, and we've been at war with Russia for four years, despite what the liars tell you, we have been at war with Russia for four years, probably not a good idea to admit that you're losing on television, which is what Lindsey Graham just did.

00:50:29.740 We have no choice but to take him out.

00:50:34.860 And third, it's probably unwise to admit that you know nothing about the country that you are fighting, that you're obsessed with.

00:50:44.940 Taking Putin out will solve the problem?

00:50:48.840 Putin is an absolute dictator?

00:50:52.100 He's dictatorial, that's for sure.

00:50:55.100 He probably wouldn't want to walk by the Kremlin and give him the finger.

00:50:57.360 He'd probably be punished for that.

00:50:58.300 But does he have absolute control over Russia?

00:51:02.360 Does any leader of any country ever have absolute control over the country?

00:51:06.400 Did Stalin know?

00:51:08.360 He consulted with the constituencies in his country.

00:51:11.740 They all do.

00:51:12.380 Every one of them.

00:51:12.880 Our president, every emir in the Gulf, every king, sultan, potentate, head of the CCP.

00:51:20.680 Everyone's got a board of directors in this world.

00:51:22.960 Everyone.

00:51:24.920 And Putin is no different.

00:51:26.240 And Putin, again, like every head of state, is balancing a bunch of different shareholders every single day.

00:51:32.480 You've got the FSB and then divisions within the FSB.

00:51:35.020 You've got the military.

00:51:36.320 You've got the business community.

00:51:37.760 The oligarchs, as we call them.

00:51:39.300 Very different from our oligarchs, who are just tech CEOs.

00:51:43.340 They're oligarchs.

00:51:44.200 But everyone's got a piece of this enterprise they call Russia, and everyone gets a say.

00:51:50.880 And no head of state acts unilaterally.

00:51:53.120 So the idea that you take Russia out and everyone just gives up.

00:51:56.260 Oh, Putin's gone.

00:51:57.900 We can, I don't know, turn it over to Zelensky.

00:52:02.860 Is ridiculous.

00:52:04.220 And only someone who didn't understand how the world works would say something like that.

00:52:08.400 So what's the point?

00:52:09.620 The point is exactly what we've seen in a lot of other countries.

00:52:13.600 Iraq, Syria.

00:52:15.980 You hope not Iran, but likely.

00:52:19.140 Cause chaos.

00:52:21.440 Because in chaos, I can dominate.

00:52:24.820 And I can steal.

00:52:25.780 And the people who are paying me to have these views, a lot of them are exiled Russian oligarchs

00:52:31.040 who Putin kicked out, could get back in there and scoop up the resources.

00:52:35.800 There's no reason Putin should control all the bauxite in Russia or whatever, all the

00:52:40.640 oil, all the gas, all the gold.

00:52:43.220 We should.

00:52:44.720 So create chaos in this country, the biggest country on earth with 150 million people in

00:52:49.800 the largest nuclear arsenal, and I'll get rich.

00:52:51.920 And even if you signed up for that program, which you shouldn't because it's disgusting,

00:52:59.200 but let's say you did think that was a good idea, part of your reptile brain would start

00:53:03.940 beeping red, alert, alert, alert.

00:53:06.560 That's really reckless because I can't control what happens next.

00:53:10.540 There are too many nuclear weapons in this country.

00:53:13.140 They have massive military industrial power.

00:53:16.820 They make a lot of weapons.

00:53:18.020 They make a lot of steel.

00:53:19.120 They have a lot of cheap energy.

00:53:20.360 There's a real place.

00:53:22.580 And it's got a huge Muslim population, 20%, and they're kind of peaceful now.

00:53:26.260 Will they be?

00:53:27.740 These are the kind of things an adult would ask himself before calling to knock off a head

00:53:32.740 of state.

00:53:33.220 You could destroy the world.

00:53:34.740 But they haven't asked themselves those things because they don't care.

00:53:39.320 And above all, they are unfit for leadership of the West.

00:53:43.680 And that includes our foreign policy establishment, and it includes virtually every single head

00:53:50.080 of state in Europe.

00:53:52.240 And for that, they are on the cusp of being eliminated.

00:53:56.580 Literally.

00:53:56.940 And I'll just speak for myself and say, I really hope that doesn't happen.

00:54:02.440 Yes, Keir Starmer's a joke.

00:54:03.880 Of course.

00:54:04.320 He's an insult to our ancestors.

00:54:05.520 If you're English, he's an insult to our ancestors and to that nation.

00:54:08.640 Of course, Macron is ridiculous.

00:54:11.560 Germany.

00:54:12.400 Ugh.

00:54:13.580 But do you want to see them destroyed?

00:54:15.080 And according to Sergei Karnogov, they're very close to being.

00:54:23.120 So with that, watch this interview and ask yourself, why is this not on the front page

00:54:30.820 of every paper?

00:54:32.340 Why is this not on the lips of every European and every American?

00:54:35.960 Because it's entirely real.

00:54:38.280 Here's the interview.

00:54:39.700 Mr. Karnogov, thank you very much for joining us.

00:54:42.160 How do you believe this war will end?

00:54:48.300 This war could and should be ended only when Russia achieves total defeat of Europe,

00:55:00.480 hopefully without eliminating Europe.

00:55:02.860 We are fighting not Ukraine, not Zelensky and the like.

00:55:06.260 We are fighting again Europe, which has been the source of all ills and all sources of evil

00:55:20.580 in the history of humanity, of two world wars.

00:55:24.760 The EU has been several times invading us.

00:55:31.080 Last time it was opening in 1941-1945 when 90%, 95% of European countries came here

00:55:43.020 under the banners of Hitler.

00:55:47.440 Now, unbelievably, after all their defeats, they haven't learned the question, the lesson.

00:55:55.040 They're still pushing for a big war.

00:56:00.820 I think, I mean, the reason is obviously that it's total failure of what the European elites.

00:56:07.940 But, so, when we talk about the end of this war, it's not about, I mean, doing away with the war in Ukraine,

00:56:18.660 with the source of this war, and that is the evil Europe,

00:56:25.620 which, by the way, sucked the United States several times into war,

00:56:30.080 and which have been the source of the worst things in the history of humanity,

00:56:38.580 including, of course, world wars, including racism, colonialism,

00:56:44.060 and many other bad things, including now,

00:56:49.440 they have been the main source of the post-human values,

00:56:54.380 which they have been exporting.

00:56:56.360 I mean, they partly polluted the United States.

00:57:01.780 So, now we are fighting that.

00:57:03.540 They tried to pollute them.

00:57:05.740 That would, I mean, I'm not speaking about all Europe.

00:57:09.140 I mean, there are many distant people and even good countries there.

00:57:12.720 But the question is that Europe is returning back to where it used to be

00:57:17.800 during the last 500 years,

00:57:20.420 and that is the source of all evil in the history of humanity.

00:57:26.360 So, what does it look like to defeat Europe?

00:57:29.740 The war can't end until Russia defeats Europe, you said.

00:57:32.740 What does that mean?

00:57:33.580 For the time being, we are thinking about a peace deal,

00:57:37.780 about an arses, which has been offered by President Trump,

00:57:44.980 who are in good faith,

00:57:46.260 or, again, until the will of European elites

00:57:50.560 is not to continue confrontation

00:57:54.320 for the sake of saving themselves

00:58:00.740 from the old, covering up for the old mistakes they have done.

00:58:11.940 That war will not stop.

00:58:15.700 So, I'm relatively skeptical as to the short-time possibilities

00:58:22.140 of a peace-meal deal.

00:58:24.180 However, of course, if we achieve something along the road

00:58:29.560 and people will start to be killed,

00:58:33.820 well, the opportunities should be used.

00:58:36.220 But I'm pretty sure that their problem is much deeper.

00:58:41.460 And it is not Ukraine.

00:58:42.700 It is not the landscape in whomever.

00:58:45.540 It is that Europe is, again, returning to its worst.

00:58:49.260 And that is the source of all evil in the history of humanity.

00:58:59.100 Why do you think, I mean, I think from an American perspective,

00:59:03.120 it's very obvious that European leaders are focused on Russia

00:59:06.840 in the big countries, Germany, France, Great Britain.

00:59:11.020 The leadership of all three countries is focused on Russia as the threat.

00:59:16.580 Why do you think that is?

00:59:19.260 No, it is very simple.

00:59:22.100 I mean, I'm a founder of the Institute of Europe,

00:59:26.020 and I used to be a Europhile 40 years ago.

00:59:29.520 And then I learned them better, and I became highly skeptical.

00:59:34.480 They are complete failures on all counts.

00:59:38.340 I mean, moral, political, economic, etc.

00:59:40.700 Europe is going down.

00:59:41.820 Also, they are unable now to exploit the world and to suck the rent

00:59:52.500 from the world which they have been getting due to their military preponderance

00:59:59.380 over the last 500 years.

01:00:01.260 And that was stopped in the 60s and 70s, and they got into a deep crisis already.

01:00:11.580 But at that time, I mean, for all kinds of reasons, Soviet Union collapsed.

01:00:16.220 And they believed that their golden age would continue.

01:00:22.900 But now, they understand that this golden age is finished.

01:00:27.420 And they are desperate.

01:00:30.380 They understand that they could not live on others' money.

01:00:35.260 Also, they start to understand that they could not live on the cushion of a U.S. protection.

01:00:47.920 Because the U.S. is tired of them, and they don't need it anymore.

01:00:54.260 So, there is a total desperation of this layer of globalist, quote-unquote liberal European elites.

01:01:06.900 Also, there, by the way, process of anti-meritocracy.

01:01:13.160 I mean, never in the history of Europe have we had such a low level of intellectual capacities

01:01:22.500 in the leadership of most European countries.

01:01:26.060 Not of all, but of most.

01:01:29.860 So, Europe is basically out of gas.

01:01:33.180 It's out of energy.

01:01:35.460 It's dying.

01:01:36.900 And so, you're arguing that their leadership sees a defeat of Russia as the only way back.

01:01:45.880 Continuational.

01:01:46.640 So, they, at first, they thought of a possibility of a defeat of Russia,

01:01:52.540 which was, I mean, a kind of a fantastic illusion.

01:01:57.900 And that, but still some people, because of their intellectual, quote-unquote, incapacity,

01:02:05.260 were, and they are still talking about that.

01:02:08.460 But what is defeat of Russia?

01:02:10.380 Just, if Russia comes ever close to a defeat, that would mean that Russia now would use nuclear weapons

01:02:18.200 and the Europe will be finished physically.

01:02:21.000 So, I mean, it's simply impossible even to think about it.

01:02:25.980 But they have been talking because they need a war to rationalize their state in power,

01:02:33.980 to rationalize their existence.

01:02:36.620 And it is not about even defeat of Russia now.

01:02:43.860 It is simply keeping on with the failing European Union,

01:02:55.000 with the failing economy,

01:02:57.160 now with fading European positions in the world.

01:03:03.900 And everybody in the world now laughs at Europe,

01:03:07.340 which used to be, by the way, one of the core centers of world power.

01:03:14.880 And now it's a joke.

01:03:17.000 And, of course, I'm not speaking of all Europe.

01:03:19.400 We know that there are decent Europeans, there are smart Europeans.

01:03:23.200 Though in my class, political class, of European thinkers,

01:03:28.680 and you are on foreign policy, and defense, et cetera, et cetera,

01:03:33.580 there's only one or two men or persons left.

01:03:38.000 I wouldn't name them because that would jeopardize them in the eyes of the audience.

01:03:45.260 But nobody else.

01:03:47.860 I do not have any interlocutor, almost any interlocutor in Europe anymore.

01:03:54.780 When you say everyone knows that the Russian government, if pressed,

01:04:01.020 would use nuclear weapons against Europe,

01:04:04.740 you mean that, is my question.

01:04:07.420 And do you think that the Europeans understand that?

01:04:12.560 The Europeans, because they have been, first of all,

01:04:18.460 intellectually degrading after the 1968 so-called student revolution,

01:04:25.240 which killed most of European education.

01:04:28.920 And because of anti-meritocracy of modern European democratic system,

01:04:38.020 do not understand, or are unable to understand what is happening fully.

01:04:45.700 And also, they are entertaining what I call strategic parasitism,

01:04:52.460 parasitism, I don't know how to call it.

01:04:54.240 They believe that war will never come to their territory.

01:04:58.960 They forgot about the war, and that it's terrible,

01:05:02.860 because they have been their source of most wars in the history of humanity.

01:05:08.500 But now, they are not afraid.

01:05:11.400 So, now, one of the tasks of Russia, in addition to others,

01:05:18.580 is to bring them to census.

01:05:22.560 Hopefully, without using nuclear weapons,

01:05:26.480 only with the threat of their use,

01:05:30.040 and I'm criticizing my government of being too prudent

01:05:34.260 and too patient with them.

01:05:38.320 But sooner or later,

01:05:40.460 if they continue to support this war,

01:05:44.300 sacrificing new millions of Ukrainians and others,

01:05:49.240 the Russian pursuit of allegedly perseverance will thin,

01:05:59.500 will go thin,

01:06:01.100 and we will have to punish them severely,

01:06:08.100 hopefully in a limited sense.

01:06:10.320 It's interesting that you say

01:06:15.760 their leaders no longer fear nuclear weapons.

01:06:19.600 You would think everyone would fear nuclear weapons,

01:06:22.060 given their destructive capacity.

01:06:24.740 Why would any person not fear

01:06:28.580 the threat of a nuclear attack?

01:06:31.780 Because, well, let's put this,

01:06:36.060 we believe that they are like us.

01:06:41.640 But they're not like us.

01:06:43.780 They have had a total degradation of thinking class

01:06:49.020 and of the ruling class.

01:06:52.240 I mean, when the chancellor, quote-unquote, of Germany

01:06:56.180 is talking about, I mean,

01:06:58.000 recreating a Bundeswehr

01:06:59.820 to be the strongest army in Europe,

01:07:02.920 what does that mean?

01:07:04.540 That means that he

01:07:06.100 dooms his country for elimination.

01:07:11.240 I have been talking with Europeans

01:07:14.620 through all, most of my adult life.

01:07:18.600 I stopped doing that in 1930

01:07:20.720 when there was a meeting of European leaders

01:07:23.840 in which I participated in.

01:07:25.320 I said that if you continue into this,

01:07:29.320 your system,

01:07:32.300 there will be a big war

01:07:34.740 and millions of Ukrainians will die.

01:07:37.520 And nobody dared to look into my eyes.

01:07:42.060 There were 70 or 80 people.

01:07:44.760 Most of them, you know,

01:07:47.800 they have degraded to the level

01:07:51.560 that they are dangerous.

01:07:55.980 Idiots or morally idiots.

01:07:58.420 Yes.

01:07:59.040 Most, not all of them,

01:08:01.260 but most of them.

01:08:04.060 You are quoted in one place saying,

01:08:07.520 they no longer fear God,

01:08:10.360 therefore they no longer fear war.

01:08:12.620 How are those two related?

01:08:15.560 Absolutely.

01:08:16.420 I mean, they lost,

01:08:17.900 well, not all, again,

01:08:19.560 there are normal people.

01:08:22.060 They, I mean,

01:08:24.260 Europe has lost

01:08:25.520 its core,

01:08:28.800 moral, political,

01:08:30.880 spiritual core.

01:08:31.860 and now they,

01:08:36.900 as you know,

01:08:38.720 most of them

01:08:39.600 have lost

01:08:40.980 the fear,

01:08:42.780 well,

01:08:43.160 the trust in God.

01:08:45.700 That doesn't mean,

01:08:47.420 and

01:08:47.700 they

01:08:48.800 lost

01:08:50.620 normal,

01:08:52.140 losing,

01:08:53.780 most of

01:08:55.020 their

01:08:56.480 traits of the human.

01:08:58.260 Europe is

01:09:00.640 under this leadership

01:09:03.380 or under this leadership

01:09:04.860 is becoming

01:09:05.980 anti-European

01:09:07.040 in terms of

01:09:08.020 historical European

01:09:09.240 and

01:09:10.260 even

01:09:10.560 anti-human.

01:09:14.040 They have

01:09:15.140 brought

01:09:16.320 the nazism,

01:09:17.880 which was

01:09:18.860 anti-human,

01:09:20.860 et cetera.

01:09:21.800 Now,

01:09:22.480 they have brought

01:09:24.000 to us,

01:09:25.740 you have been

01:09:26.560 infected with

01:09:27.380 to the last

01:09:28.560 extent,

01:09:29.840 something

01:09:30.420 absolutely

01:09:30.880 anti-human,

01:09:32.240 loss of respect

01:09:33.360 to those

01:09:33.640 family,

01:09:34.600 those love

01:09:35.240 between men

01:09:35.860 and women,

01:09:36.600 those respect

01:09:37.420 for seniors,

01:09:38.920 those patriotism,

01:09:40.500 et cetera.

01:09:41.040 What is then

01:09:41.920 Europe?

01:09:42.840 And,

01:09:43.280 of course,

01:09:45.000 trust in God,

01:09:46.320 what is left?

01:09:48.340 I mean,

01:09:48.780 it is

01:09:49.220 a moral

01:10:03.400 hope.

01:10:05.760 However,

01:10:06.340 of course,

01:10:06.700 I'm not speaking

01:10:07.220 about all Europeans

01:10:08.280 who are

01:10:08.680 normal people.

01:10:10.620 However,

01:10:11.260 of course,

01:10:11.620 I'm not,

01:10:12.280 I'm not unable

01:10:13.360 to talk to them.

01:10:14.340 I'm not able

01:10:14.920 to talk to them

01:10:15.580 because

01:10:15.900 they are

01:10:16.960 a magic,

01:10:17.800 they are

01:10:18.840 forbidden

01:10:19.240 to talk

01:10:19.800 to us.

01:10:21.060 And if

01:10:21.480 they talk

01:10:22.080 to us,

01:10:23.060 they are

01:10:23.500 then called

01:10:24.540 and summoned

01:10:26.200 to the police

01:10:26.980 or security

01:10:27.620 services.

01:10:28.900 So,

01:10:29.300 I have

01:10:29.580 a lot of,

01:10:30.240 still probably,

01:10:31.540 a lot of

01:10:31.940 friends in Europe,

01:10:33.200 but I do not

01:10:34.340 have any contacts

01:10:35.180 with them

01:10:35.600 because they are

01:10:36.280 banned,

01:10:37.800 because they're

01:10:38.680 elites from

01:10:39.820 talking to us,

01:10:41.420 because they're

01:10:42.100 elites are

01:10:42.960 preparing

01:10:44.860 them

01:10:45.920 for a war,

01:10:48.300 at least morally.

01:10:49.500 Though,

01:10:50.740 at least the

01:10:51.660 same elites

01:10:52.260 could not

01:10:54.160 comprehend

01:10:55.520 that if war,

01:10:56.720 a real big war,

01:10:58.660 is unleashed

01:10:59.680 in Europe,

01:11:01.680 and a war,

01:11:02.400 sooner or later,

01:11:03.040 this war in

01:11:04.080 Ukraine,

01:11:04.640 which we are

01:11:05.180 waging with

01:11:06.120 Europeans,

01:11:07.540 escalates a little bit

01:11:09.440 of Europe.

01:11:10.480 Thanks to God,

01:11:11.360 we have changed

01:11:12.020 our nuclear doctrine,

01:11:13.240 and recently

01:11:15.400 our president

01:11:16.180 said,

01:11:18.420 he was a very

01:11:19.140 cautious and

01:11:19.820 very polite man,

01:11:22.520 but he said

01:11:23.160 something very

01:11:23.800 important.

01:11:24.960 He said that

01:11:25.580 if Europe

01:11:26.260 continues and

01:11:27.580 Europe gets

01:11:29.520 into real,

01:11:30.820 direct conflict

01:11:31.540 with Europe,

01:11:32.460 there will be

01:11:32.860 nobody in Europe

01:11:34.100 to talk to.

01:11:35.520 But I hope

01:11:36.780 and I beg

01:11:37.480 and I pray

01:11:38.780 that he

01:11:41.480 or us

01:11:42.400 wouldn't have

01:11:43.280 to make

01:11:43.820 this decision.

01:11:45.920 But,

01:11:47.320 as I've

01:11:49.060 said before,

01:11:50.760 Europe is

01:11:51.340 the source

01:11:51.880 of the most

01:11:52.680 evils

01:11:53.180 and returns

01:11:54.380 to its worst

01:11:55.400 times.

01:11:57.420 Twice

01:11:58.060 in the past,

01:11:59.280 roughly the past

01:12:00.040 year,

01:12:01.240 the Ukrainians

01:12:01.900 have tried to,

01:12:02.820 at least twice,

01:12:03.560 try to kill

01:12:04.200 your president,

01:12:04.960 President Putin.

01:12:06.660 That's my read

01:12:07.800 of it.

01:12:08.240 Why do you

01:12:11.020 think they

01:12:11.580 did that?

01:12:13.660 What's the

01:12:14.340 thinking there?

01:12:16.080 It is very

01:12:18.060 simple.

01:12:18.560 I mean,

01:12:19.440 they're

01:12:19.840 belligerent.

01:12:20.720 I mean,

01:12:21.120 some people

01:12:21.920 believe that

01:12:24.280 you could solve

01:12:24.860 the problem

01:12:25.340 of Russia

01:12:25.840 by killing

01:12:26.460 our president.

01:12:28.660 Our president

01:12:29.300 is,

01:12:30.600 well,

01:12:32.640 I have

01:12:34.200 one problem

01:12:35.420 with our

01:12:35.860 president.

01:12:36.520 He's so

01:12:37.420 cautious.

01:12:38.240 they do

01:12:40.180 not

01:12:40.420 too

01:12:41.260 cautious

01:12:41.580 and

01:12:41.920 he

01:12:43.020 shows

01:12:43.720 too much

01:12:44.100 perseverance.

01:12:45.500 I'm criticizing

01:12:46.480 him

01:12:46.880 indirectly,

01:12:48.620 or sometimes

01:12:49.140 even directly

01:12:49.840 as in our

01:12:51.600 conversation

01:12:52.240 with you.

01:12:54.000 But

01:12:54.200 they simply

01:12:56.660 want,

01:12:58.540 of course

01:12:59.020 they could

01:12:59.420 not kill,

01:13:01.060 it's simply

01:13:01.580 noble hatred

01:13:02.720 of people

01:13:04.900 who have

01:13:06.060 lost their

01:13:06.880 minds.

01:13:08.240 well,

01:13:09.560 the question

01:13:10.240 of course

01:13:10.680 of

01:13:10.920 doing away

01:13:13.460 with leaders

01:13:13.940 of foreign

01:13:14.400 countries

01:13:14.820 is an American

01:13:15.720 question,

01:13:17.300 as you know.

01:13:19.340 but they

01:13:23.220 are pumping

01:13:23.760 up hatred

01:13:26.120 towards Russia

01:13:27.000 like mad.

01:13:28.400 I'm

01:13:29.120 partly

01:13:30.000 a historian.

01:13:30.680 I must say

01:13:31.160 that even

01:13:31.680 Hitler's

01:13:32.400 Germany,

01:13:33.800 their level

01:13:34.720 of anti-Russian

01:13:36.240 propaganda,

01:13:37.620 russophobia

01:13:38.160 was maybe

01:13:40.660 weaker,

01:13:42.140 or at least

01:13:42.740 equal to

01:13:43.720 what is

01:13:44.220 happening

01:13:45.060 in Europe.

01:13:47.860 What would

01:13:48.720 happen

01:13:49.200 if your

01:13:50.800 president

01:13:51.340 were to be

01:13:52.880 assassinated

01:13:53.600 by the

01:13:54.400 Ukrainians

01:13:54.940 or Europe

01:13:55.360 or the

01:13:55.600 United States?

01:13:56.280 What would

01:13:56.820 be the

01:13:57.680 next step?

01:13:58.700 let's hope

01:13:59.880 that would

01:14:01.640 not happen.

01:14:02.980 But then

01:14:03.780 of course

01:14:04.400 that would

01:14:07.460 mean that

01:14:08.080 we will

01:14:10.160 punish

01:14:10.920 hopefully not

01:14:15.180 the United

01:14:15.600 States.

01:14:16.080 but Europe

01:14:18.760 will be

01:14:19.180 taken away

01:14:19.820 from the

01:14:20.340 map of

01:14:20.840 the

01:14:22.240 humanity.

01:14:23.000 It should

01:14:23.280 be pushed

01:14:24.500 away from

01:14:26.000 the geopolitical

01:14:27.500 and

01:14:27.820 geostrategic

01:14:29.620 math because

01:14:30.640 it is a

01:14:31.280 nuisance.

01:14:32.400 I hope it

01:14:33.000 would not

01:14:33.380 be punished

01:14:35.200 in the

01:14:35.580 physical way.

01:14:36.520 Though I

01:14:37.980 am starting

01:14:38.480 to say that

01:14:39.580 these idiots

01:14:40.420 do not

01:14:41.280 understand

01:14:41.740 anything but

01:14:42.600 physical pain.

01:14:44.660 And that's

01:14:45.180 more later.

01:14:46.080 we have

01:14:47.040 to go

01:14:48.440 after the

01:14:48.860 ladder

01:14:49.140 and escalation.

01:14:50.460 And if they

01:14:50.920 do not

01:14:51.240 stop this

01:14:51.820 senseless war

01:14:52.880 and still

01:14:54.000 in and

01:14:57.200 around

01:14:57.480 Ukraine

01:14:58.040 we would

01:14:59.300 have to

01:14:59.640 start to

01:15:00.360 attack

01:15:00.780 Europe

01:15:01.200 with

01:15:01.560 conventional

01:15:02.140 weapons

01:15:02.600 and then

01:15:03.420 next step

01:15:04.680 will be

01:15:05.060 waves of

01:15:06.520 nuclear

01:15:07.640 strikes.

01:15:14.000 I hope

01:15:14.560 we wouldn't

01:15:16.080 reach that

01:15:17.520 point because

01:15:18.280 using nuclear

01:15:21.420 weapons,

01:15:22.380 any weapon

01:15:23.060 is a sin.

01:15:24.440 But using

01:15:25.120 nuclear weapons

01:15:25.920 is a double

01:15:27.400 sin.

01:15:27.780 And I don't

01:15:28.220 want to be

01:15:28.780 Russia to be

01:15:30.620 that big a

01:15:33.140 sinner.

01:15:33.620 We have

01:15:34.340 all our

01:15:36.240 sins.

01:15:36.520 weapons.

01:15:37.080 But if

01:15:39.060 needed,

01:15:39.940 we have to

01:15:40.680 eliminate the

01:15:41.760 European threat

01:15:42.680 to humanity.

01:15:44.360 How far are

01:15:45.800 we from

01:15:46.680 Russia using

01:15:47.580 nuclear weapons

01:15:48.280 against Europe?

01:15:49.700 Two years.

01:15:50.480 now if

01:15:53.020 they do

01:15:53.700 well,

01:15:55.060 one year.

01:15:55.900 Well,

01:15:56.300 first of all,

01:15:56.700 I've been

01:15:57.040 calling on

01:15:57.680 my

01:15:58.320 government

01:15:59.480 to escalate

01:16:01.940 earlier.

01:16:03.920 But

01:16:04.440 President

01:16:06.000 Putin is

01:16:06.960 very

01:16:09.300 religious

01:16:09.780 and he's

01:16:10.900 cautious.

01:16:12.580 And we

01:16:14.060 have been

01:16:14.440 climbing up

01:16:15.180 the ladder of

01:16:15.760 escalation,

01:16:16.960 changing our

01:16:17.760 nuclear doctrine

01:16:18.680 and lowering

01:16:20.100 the nuclear

01:16:20.880 threshold,

01:16:22.400 building up

01:16:23.020 our nuclear

01:16:25.020 potential in

01:16:25.860 Europe and

01:16:26.320 else,

01:16:27.460 but in the

01:16:28.340 hope that we

01:16:29.220 could stop

01:16:29.760 them before

01:16:31.020 crossing

01:16:32.020 the threshold.

01:16:34.080 As I've

01:16:34.440 said,

01:16:36.200 I think

01:16:36.580 that

01:16:37.040 Putin

01:16:39.000 believes that

01:16:40.280 using

01:16:40.660 nuclear weapons,

01:16:43.040 and I believe

01:16:43.620 by the way,

01:16:44.940 is a sin.

01:16:47.560 But

01:16:47.740 it might be

01:16:49.280 a necessary

01:16:49.860 sin in order

01:16:51.080 to save

01:16:51.520 humanity.

01:16:52.200 That's why

01:16:52.620 I've been

01:16:53.000 calling for

01:16:53.920 limited use

01:16:55.500 of nuclear

01:16:55.940 weapons

01:16:56.460 against Europe.

01:16:58.160 Because

01:16:58.480 otherwise,

01:16:59.040 the world

01:17:00.800 would drift

01:17:01.500 into a

01:17:02.220 third world

01:17:02.700 war,

01:17:03.880 towards which

01:17:04.800 Europeans

01:17:06.320 are pushing

01:17:07.140 all of us.

01:17:09.140 I mean,

01:17:09.540 they have

01:17:09.940 already done

01:17:10.800 that twice

01:17:12.240 in history,

01:17:14.200 second in

01:17:14.820 the United

01:17:15.220 States.

01:17:16.400 You a couple

01:17:17.080 of times

01:17:17.500 saved them,

01:17:19.840 you Americans.

01:17:21.700 Now,

01:17:22.160 we once

01:17:23.160 suffered,

01:17:24.300 but then

01:17:24.840 saved them

01:17:25.440 again,

01:17:25.980 but now

01:17:26.380 they're back.

01:17:26.980 with the

01:17:30.560 old game

01:17:31.080 and we

01:17:31.380 have to

01:17:31.960 either

01:17:33.920 to punish

01:17:34.480 them

01:17:34.840 or to

01:17:36.640 help them

01:17:37.140 to

01:17:38.080 change

01:17:40.300 their minds.

01:17:41.740 It is not,

01:17:42.500 I'm not

01:17:42.860 calling for

01:17:43.420 regime change,

01:17:44.240 but if

01:17:44.540 Europeans

01:17:45.240 do not

01:17:46.200 change

01:17:46.700 these elites

01:17:48.300 for more

01:17:49.180 national-oriented,

01:17:52.080 more responsible,

01:17:55.080 they are doomed.

01:17:57.460 And I hate

01:18:00.140 this idea

01:18:00.740 because culturally

01:18:02.740 I am a European.

01:18:04.060 Of course,

01:18:04.460 we are moving

01:18:05.840 towards Siberia,

01:18:06.840 we are moving

01:18:07.340 towards the East.

01:18:08.480 We are saying

01:18:10.740 and sincerely

01:18:11.720 that we are

01:18:12.420 becoming

01:18:12.820 a Eurasian

01:18:15.040 nation

01:18:15.940 or turning

01:18:16.600 back to

01:18:17.140 where it

01:18:17.620 would be

01:18:17.820 long

01:18:18.080 to become

01:18:18.980 the Eurasian

01:18:20.700 nation,

01:18:21.560 but the loss

01:18:22.960 of Europe

01:18:23.420 would be

01:18:25.020 a pity.

01:18:27.900 Before I

01:18:28.620 ask you

01:18:28.980 about what

01:18:30.220 you think

01:18:30.660 Russia should

01:18:31.260 do relative

01:18:32.240 to the rest

01:18:32.680 of the world,

01:18:33.000 become Eurasian

01:18:33.840 rather than

01:18:34.200 European,

01:18:35.360 which it

01:18:35.900 seems to

01:18:36.200 be doing,

01:18:37.880 if there

01:18:39.080 were nuclear

01:18:39.560 strikes from

01:18:40.100 Russia into

01:18:40.740 Europe in

01:18:41.260 the next

01:18:41.560 year or

01:18:42.020 two,

01:18:42.580 as you

01:18:42.960 said there

01:18:43.360 may be,

01:18:44.400 what

01:18:44.700 countries

01:18:45.340 would that

01:18:47.020 include?

01:18:50.200 Well,

01:18:50.880 we are

01:18:51.260 online,

01:18:53.440 so

01:18:53.660 I have

01:18:56.860 written

01:18:57.120 that

01:18:57.560 several

01:18:59.180 times

01:18:59.600 that

01:19:00.120 if we

01:19:01.000 strike

01:19:01.460 Poznan,

01:19:05.240 Americans

01:19:07.040 would never

01:19:07.560 respond.

01:19:09.780 Americans

01:19:10.380 would never

01:19:10.880 respond

01:19:11.220 anyway.

01:19:12.880 But if

01:19:13.280 we,

01:19:14.380 but I

01:19:14.840 hope,

01:19:15.600 the Poz

01:19:16.220 are becoming

01:19:16.720 by the way

01:19:17.320 more sensible.

01:19:18.540 They understand

01:19:19.200 that they

01:19:19.900 are playing

01:19:22.620 with fire,

01:19:23.460 they're trying

01:19:24.440 to retreat

01:19:25.680 from the

01:19:26.200 front lines

01:19:26.780 of this

01:19:27.320 conflict.

01:19:29.220 But my

01:19:30.800 choice would

01:19:31.280 be Britain

01:19:31.740 and Germany.

01:19:34.800 You'd take

01:19:35.620 out Britain

01:19:36.060 and Germany

01:19:36.500 with nuclear

01:19:37.080 weapons.

01:19:37.620 I beg

01:19:39.040 almighty

01:19:40.220 that it

01:19:41.240 wouldn't

01:19:41.740 happen.

01:19:44.400 Yes.

01:19:44.900 But Germany

01:19:45.580 should be the

01:19:47.740 first because

01:19:48.580 Germany

01:19:49.960 is the

01:19:53.040 source of

01:19:53.680 the worst

01:19:55.320 in European

01:19:56.840 history.

01:19:58.000 But I hope

01:19:58.900 again,

01:19:59.520 I have many

01:19:59.960 German friends.

01:20:00.680 I hope

01:20:02.320 that it

01:20:02.660 would be

01:20:03.060 better.

01:20:06.140 I think

01:20:07.040 just came

01:20:07.500 back from

01:20:08.100 Beijing.

01:20:09.040 Certainly

01:20:09.340 the ties

01:20:09.840 between

01:20:10.180 Russia and

01:20:10.720 China are

01:20:11.320 much,

01:20:12.760 much deeper

01:20:13.160 than they

01:20:13.500 were four

01:20:14.220 years ago.

01:20:14.840 From an

01:20:15.120 American

01:20:15.460 perspective,

01:20:16.180 the idea

01:20:17.700 of a

01:20:18.000 permanent

01:20:18.340 Russia-China

01:20:19.320 alliance is

01:20:20.780 a threat

01:20:21.220 to our

01:20:22.520 future,

01:20:23.560 it would

01:20:23.880 seem.

01:20:24.780 Is that

01:20:25.320 alliance

01:20:26.100 permanent?

01:20:29.380 Well,

01:20:30.040 for the

01:20:30.340 time being,

01:20:31.540 for the

01:20:32.180 foreseeable

01:20:32.740 future,

01:20:34.120 it is a

01:20:35.600 source of

01:20:36.060 great strength

01:20:36.960 both to

01:20:37.580 Russia and

01:20:38.480 to China

01:20:38.920 and our

01:20:39.280 Chinese

01:20:39.560 friends

01:20:40.160 understand

01:20:40.680 that.

01:20:43.220 But

01:20:43.860 what will

01:20:46.560 happen in

01:20:47.020 10 to

01:20:48.120 15 years,

01:20:48.960 we do

01:20:49.500 not know.

01:20:50.340 So we're

01:20:50.720 planning for

01:20:51.320 all kinds

01:20:51.680 of futures.

01:20:52.740 But our

01:20:53.320 best

01:20:54.560 solution

01:20:56.500 is to

01:20:58.600 reach a

01:20:59.200 world where

01:20:59.860 four great

01:21:00.720 powers will

01:21:02.500 be working

01:21:04.320 together

01:21:04.960 for defining

01:21:08.480 the rules

01:21:10.160 of behavior

01:21:10.740 in the

01:21:12.180 future world.

01:21:12.840 These four

01:21:13.240 powers,

01:21:13.860 are

01:21:14.220 China-Russia

01:21:16.160 United States

01:21:17.240 and India.

01:21:19.700 And

01:21:20.020 that kind

01:21:22.120 of

01:21:22.280 configuration

01:21:23.000 also means

01:21:25.120 that we

01:21:26.420 will,

01:21:26.940 and we

01:21:27.440 should,

01:21:27.880 and we

01:21:28.220 will,

01:21:28.580 of course,

01:21:29.600 balance

01:21:30.280 the overall

01:21:31.980 preponderance

01:21:32.740 of China

01:21:33.300 vis-a-vis

01:21:34.680 Russia.

01:21:35.680 But

01:21:36.060 China

01:21:36.680 is

01:21:38.880 a

01:21:40.280 fantastic

01:21:40.760 asset.

01:21:41.380 It is not

01:21:41.820 a threat.

01:21:42.240 but just

01:21:44.560 in case,

01:21:45.760 we should

01:21:46.580 create this

01:21:48.640 at least

01:21:49.780 four

01:21:50.260 country

01:21:51.160 system.

01:21:52.080 Plus,

01:21:52.740 we are

01:21:52.980 building

01:21:53.360 what we

01:21:54.440 call

01:21:54.700 Greater

01:21:55.220 Eurasia.

01:21:55.880 and that

01:21:57.280 is a

01:21:57.520 system of

01:21:58.020 relationship

01:21:58.500 where

01:21:59.000 China

01:22:00.440 will be

01:22:02.120 balanced

01:22:02.680 by

01:22:04.540 major

01:22:05.300 powers

01:22:06.340 within

01:22:07.120 Eurasia,

01:22:08.700 including

01:22:09.180 India,

01:22:11.240 Persia,

01:22:13.140 Turkey,

01:22:14.400 and Russia,

01:22:15.620 and others.

01:22:16.300 countries.

01:22:17.300 But the

01:22:18.340 Chinese,

01:22:19.080 I mean,

01:22:19.500 we talked

01:22:19.840 with them

01:22:20.320 sincerely

01:22:20.920 about

01:22:21.640 necessity

01:22:22.220 to

01:22:22.720 balance

01:22:23.600 them.

01:22:24.600 It is

01:22:25.360 hard for

01:22:25.860 them to

01:22:27.060 solve that,

01:22:29.720 but they're

01:22:30.060 starting to

01:22:30.540 understand

01:22:31.100 that it

01:22:32.200 is in their

01:22:32.800 interest to

01:22:33.380 create a

01:22:33.820 balance

01:22:34.100 system

01:22:34.620 of the

01:22:35.800 issue

01:22:36.040 within

01:22:36.520 Eurasia.

01:22:37.720 But

01:22:39.040 worldwide,

01:22:40.840 the United

01:22:41.320 States should

01:22:41.820 be a key

01:22:42.400 player,

01:22:42.820 because without

01:22:43.380 the United

01:22:43.780 States,

01:22:45.020 we will

01:22:46.460 not succeed

01:22:47.040 in dealing

01:22:47.540 with the

01:22:48.560 unbelievable

01:22:49.260 problems we

01:22:50.040 are facing

01:22:50.540 in the

01:22:51.240 coming years.

01:22:53.040 Does

01:22:53.680 Russia

01:22:55.000 jeopardize

01:22:55.720 its soul

01:22:56.340 by leaving

01:22:57.060 the West,

01:22:58.260 given that

01:22:58.820 it's an

01:22:59.240 Orthodox

01:23:00.200 country,

01:23:00.980 its cultural

01:23:01.600 legacy is

01:23:02.440 Western?

01:23:05.320 We are

01:23:05.820 saving our

01:23:06.580 soul.

01:23:07.720 I mean,

01:23:09.220 of course,

01:23:09.800 some of my

01:23:10.400 compatriots

01:23:11.080 would not

01:23:11.560 agree with

01:23:12.620 me,

01:23:12.900 but let

01:23:14.800 us remind

01:23:15.920 you and

01:23:17.460 me and

01:23:17.820 others that

01:23:19.320 our soul

01:23:20.140 came from

01:23:22.400 the East

01:23:23.000 and from

01:23:23.500 the South.

01:23:24.860 We took

01:23:25.180 Christianity

01:23:25.880 from Palestine

01:23:27.240 and who

01:23:31.460 Orthodox

01:23:33.180 Church is

01:23:33.880 the true

01:23:34.360 Christianity

01:23:34.960 because

01:23:35.380 Catholics

01:23:36.140 left

01:23:36.860 at the

01:23:38.980 beginning

01:23:39.300 of the

01:23:39.960 previous

01:23:41.140 millennium.

01:23:45.360 We

01:23:45.760 passed

01:23:46.040 with them,

01:23:46.480 but still

01:23:46.820 we, of

01:23:47.100 course,

01:23:47.320 we are

01:23:47.480 Christians

01:23:47.920 and we're

01:23:50.500 brothers.

01:23:52.320 We are

01:23:52.820 very much

01:23:54.580 an Islamic

01:23:55.820 country,

01:23:56.340 20% of our

01:23:57.240 population.

01:23:58.380 We also

01:23:58.820 take it

01:23:59.260 from the

01:24:00.860 South.

01:24:01.140 then we

01:24:03.820 have a

01:24:04.520 strong

01:24:04.840 Buddhist

01:24:05.360 population.

01:24:06.200 We also

01:24:06.980 take it

01:24:07.520 from the

01:24:08.520 Southeast.

01:24:09.780 And the

01:24:10.240 Judaism is

01:24:11.140 also here

01:24:11.960 an acknowledged

01:24:12.860 region.

01:24:14.100 And the

01:24:14.620 political system

01:24:15.580 which we

01:24:17.200 have built

01:24:18.900 over years

01:24:19.580 could have

01:24:20.320 inherited

01:24:20.920 from the

01:24:23.240 greatest empire

01:24:24.220 of them all,

01:24:24.880 from Genghis Khan

01:24:25.840 empire.

01:24:26.660 But of

01:24:27.020 course,

01:24:28.020 many in

01:24:29.020 Russia would

01:24:29.580 disagree

01:24:30.420 now with

01:24:32.040 me,

01:24:32.800 but it is

01:24:33.660 simple truth.

01:24:34.820 We are

01:24:35.440 Asian

01:24:36.700 empire

01:24:37.240 with a

01:24:39.320 very strong

01:24:40.000 European

01:24:41.800 cultural influence

01:24:43.900 which we

01:24:44.760 love and

01:24:45.780 adore.

01:24:46.740 We will

01:24:47.740 never

01:24:48.080 pass,

01:24:51.660 but we

01:24:53.960 are not

01:24:54.380 Asian,

01:24:54.980 we are not

01:24:55.320 European,

01:24:56.040 thank God.

01:24:57.360 And we

01:24:57.860 are now

01:24:58.240 starting to

01:24:58.960 acknowledge

01:24:59.500 that because

01:25:00.820 our European

01:25:02.080 journey has

01:25:04.600 been to

01:25:05.080 which Peter

01:25:06.060 the Great

01:25:06.500 started for

01:25:07.380 because of

01:25:09.000 certain reasons

01:25:10.760 because we

01:25:11.380 are backward

01:25:13.800 in technological

01:25:14.820 terms.

01:25:16.000 It's over.

01:25:16.840 It should

01:25:17.120 have been

01:25:17.420 over 150

01:25:19.000 years ago.

01:25:19.780 it would

01:25:24.460 have saved

01:25:24.860 us for

01:25:25.500 many

01:25:26.440 troubles,

01:25:26.980 including

01:25:27.360 things like

01:25:28.920 world wars,

01:25:29.900 communism,

01:25:30.540 etc.

01:25:31.620 But now

01:25:32.280 we are

01:25:33.080 parting,

01:25:34.380 but

01:25:35.300 hopefully

01:25:36.580 keeping

01:25:37.560 the traits

01:25:39.060 of European

01:25:40.260 cultural

01:25:40.960 heritage we

01:25:41.700 share with

01:25:42.440 you in

01:25:43.860 our hearts

01:25:44.440 and our

01:25:44.820 minds.

01:25:45.980 What

01:25:46.120 effect,

01:25:46.980 from your

01:25:48.120 perspective,

01:25:49.240 have

01:25:49.600 Western

01:25:50.180 sanctions

01:25:50.880 had on

01:25:51.720 Russia?

01:25:52.320 Do you

01:25:52.560 believe

01:25:52.940 sanctions

01:25:53.760 hurt Russia

01:25:54.900 or helped

01:25:55.780 it?

01:25:56.480 Oh,

01:25:56.740 yes.

01:25:57.160 I mean,

01:25:57.860 we invited,

01:25:58.960 I mean,

01:25:59.280 I have been

01:25:59.680 calling for

01:26:00.460 cooperation

01:26:01.300 with us

01:26:02.840 long before

01:26:03.600 we,

01:26:04.600 stopping,

01:26:07.080 I mean,

01:26:07.920 the expansion

01:26:08.540 of NATO,

01:26:09.280 etc.

01:26:09.740 long before

01:26:10.560 we decided

01:26:11.860 to.

01:26:13.340 Of course,

01:26:14.460 I mean,

01:26:15.040 economically,

01:26:15.760 why is it

01:26:16.240 they hurt?

01:26:17.280 But

01:26:18.140 strategically

01:26:19.200 wise,

01:26:19.740 politically

01:26:20.100 wise,

01:26:20.640 culturally

01:26:21.040 wise,

01:26:21.760 they have

01:26:22.160 been a

01:26:22.460 blessing.

01:26:23.620 We have,

01:26:24.740 with their

01:26:25.540 help,

01:26:26.440 we have

01:26:27.020 invited

01:26:27.560 fire,

01:26:29.400 unfriendly

01:26:30.080 fire on

01:26:30.740 our own.

01:26:31.620 We have

01:26:31.960 done away

01:26:32.480 with

01:26:32.700 comprador

01:26:33.280 elites.

01:26:34.520 We have

01:26:35.120 thrown away,

01:26:36.740 without any

01:26:37.280 repressions,

01:26:38.700 the fifth

01:26:39.120 call.

01:26:40.120 We are

01:26:40.860 returning

01:26:41.400 back

01:26:42.360 our Russian

01:26:43.920 culture,

01:26:44.520 our Russian

01:26:44.920 soul.

01:26:45.940 We are

01:26:46.440 becoming

01:26:47.380 Russians.

01:26:49.280 And

01:26:49.500 the only

01:26:52.480 problem

01:26:52.920 with this

01:26:53.460 sanctions

01:26:54.520 and with

01:26:55.060 this war

01:26:55.520 is that

01:26:56.520 we have

01:26:56.900 to pay

01:26:57.280 for it

01:26:57.660 with the

01:26:58.200 lives of

01:26:59.200 our best

01:26:59.700 men.

01:27:00.740 But other

01:27:01.200 than that,

01:27:02.280 they have

01:27:03.800 been a

01:27:04.140 blessing.

01:27:05.160 And I

01:27:05.620 do not

01:27:06.000 want them

01:27:06.560 to be

01:27:08.680 lifted.

01:27:10.480 of course

01:27:12.380 someone

01:27:13.020 should be

01:27:13.720 so

01:27:14.300 we have

01:27:14.880 a relationship

01:27:15.860 and we

01:27:16.940 earn some

01:27:17.820 additional

01:27:18.180 money.

01:27:19.360 But

01:27:19.840 Russia,

01:27:21.520 which is

01:27:22.560 threatened,

01:27:26.340 is

01:27:26.780 again a

01:27:30.700 warfighting

01:27:31.280 nation.

01:27:31.820 We are

01:27:32.320 a nation

01:27:33.240 of wars.

01:27:34.660 And when

01:27:35.100 we started

01:27:35.980 to be

01:27:36.480 attacked,

01:27:37.440 even

01:27:37.700 indirectly,

01:27:38.480 now directly,

01:27:39.780 then we

01:27:40.240 turn to

01:27:40.720 our best.

01:27:41.760 And that's

01:27:42.080 why the

01:27:42.640 country is

01:27:43.840 experiencing

01:27:45.700 unbelievable

01:27:46.600 releases.

01:27:47.720 The only

01:27:47.960 problem is

01:27:48.680 that we

01:27:48.960 are losing

01:27:49.360 the best

01:27:50.860 men.

01:27:52.080 And that

01:27:52.600 should be

01:27:53.220 stopped.

01:27:54.880 And that

01:27:56.040 leads to

01:27:56.360 my last

01:27:57.560 question,

01:27:58.220 Mr. Karganoff,

01:27:58.820 which is,

01:27:59.940 you've

01:28:00.840 described this

01:28:01.480 as a

01:28:02.880 war, a

01:28:03.280 civilizational

01:28:03.920 war between

01:28:04.560 Russia and

01:28:05.540 Europe.

01:28:06.840 What role

01:28:08.020 does the

01:28:09.040 United States

01:28:09.740 our

01:28:10.560 administration,

01:28:11.220 our

01:28:11.340 president,

01:28:11.900 play in

01:28:12.420 ending it?

01:28:13.140 What can

01:28:13.480 President

01:28:13.900 Trump do

01:28:14.600 to end

01:28:15.120 the war?

01:28:15.400 Well,

01:28:16.180 I mean,

01:28:16.500 America's

01:28:17.060 were very

01:28:17.760 crucial in

01:28:18.640 starting this

01:28:19.540 war because

01:28:20.640 the whole

01:28:22.120 problem started

01:28:23.200 in the

01:28:24.460 early 2000s

01:28:25.880 when the

01:28:27.020 American

01:28:27.300 administration

01:28:28.000 started to

01:28:30.220 peddle,

01:28:31.280 to prop

01:28:32.720 up the

01:28:33.260 European

01:28:34.660 issue because

01:28:35.620 they were

01:28:35.980 afraid of

01:28:36.720 possibility of

01:28:39.140 building a

01:28:39.680 continental

01:28:40.260 alliance between

01:28:41.180 Russia and

01:28:42.820 Germany.

01:28:43.980 So, in

01:28:45.660 a way,

01:28:46.340 Americans are

01:28:47.080 also the

01:28:47.920 source, have

01:28:48.700 been a source

01:28:49.160 of the

01:28:49.440 problem.

01:28:49.980 As to

01:28:50.480 the

01:28:50.780 chambered

01:28:52.180 administration

01:28:52.600 offer, I

01:28:54.040 didn't like

01:28:54.760 the offer

01:28:57.880 which Mr.

01:28:59.000 Trump offered

01:28:59.580 because it

01:29:00.140 doesn't solve

01:29:01.060 the real

01:29:01.840 problem, and

01:29:02.420 the real

01:29:02.700 problem is

01:29:03.440 European

01:29:05.680 hostility,

01:29:06.580 European

01:29:06.940 aggression.

01:29:09.380 But for the

01:29:10.340 time being, we

01:29:11.320 should use this

01:29:11.840 opportunity, if

01:29:12.780 possible.

01:29:14.820 And then,

01:29:16.880 of course, we

01:29:19.200 all know that

01:29:19.940 President

01:29:20.520 Trump is

01:29:23.840 curtailed his

01:29:25.040 internal affairs,

01:29:26.740 and also,

01:29:27.880 now we see

01:29:28.600 that his

01:29:29.260 offers are

01:29:30.580 diluted by

01:29:32.760 all kind of

01:29:34.000 efforts from

01:29:35.500 within, by

01:29:37.080 his

01:29:38.180 allies.

01:29:41.020 But if

01:29:41.640 we could

01:29:43.860 try for

01:29:47.140 a while with

01:29:48.300 his offer,

01:29:49.300 maybe,

01:29:50.140 eventually,

01:29:51.400 we would end

01:29:52.620 up with the

01:29:53.540 solution of

01:29:54.880 the problem.

01:29:56.180 And that

01:29:56.880 solution of

01:29:57.600 the problem

01:29:58.040 is, of

01:29:58.700 course, as

01:29:59.100 I've said,

01:30:00.300 is Europe.

01:30:02.300 However, I

01:30:04.300 do not

01:30:04.820 foresee that,

01:30:06.660 unfortunately,

01:30:07.740 that possibility.

01:30:08.660 So, even if

01:30:09.840 we stop this

01:30:10.520 war, we

01:30:10.980 should be

01:30:11.340 prepared,

01:30:12.880 when the

01:30:13.860 war resumes,

01:30:15.300 to do away

01:30:16.200 with the

01:30:16.580 source of

01:30:17.180 this war.

01:30:18.740 And that

01:30:19.140 is

01:30:19.580 hostility of

01:30:24.340 European

01:30:24.780 elites,

01:30:25.280 and they

01:30:27.480 are willing

01:30:27.900 to fuel

01:30:30.020 warfare on

01:30:31.860 the European

01:30:33.240 subcontinent.

01:30:34.880 government, but

01:30:36.380 let's give

01:30:37.340 Trump a

01:30:38.400 chance.

01:30:39.680 Although I

01:30:40.160 am not

01:30:40.440 sure whether

01:30:41.120 he or

01:30:43.380 we would

01:30:45.480 succeed

01:30:45.960 under

01:30:46.940 circumstances.

01:30:48.260 You know,

01:30:48.720 the internal

01:30:49.080 situation in the

01:30:50.000 United States

01:30:50.380 better.

01:30:51.640 And also,

01:30:52.440 by the way,

01:30:52.880 we could not

01:30:53.480 rely with

01:30:55.240 all our

01:30:56.080 respect to

01:30:57.900 your

01:30:58.300 president on

01:30:59.940 him.

01:31:00.580 He has a

01:31:00.960 country behind

01:31:02.160 him, which

01:31:03.520 is deeply

01:31:04.300 divided.

01:31:06.360 He has a

01:31:07.580 huge opposition.

01:31:09.440 And then

01:31:09.980 he's also

01:31:10.820 playing

01:31:12.700 full

01:31:13.980 games.

01:31:17.440 So, I

01:31:18.020 don't think,

01:31:19.200 I hope we

01:31:19.960 could arrange

01:31:20.520 something.

01:31:22.120 But

01:31:22.540 we are

01:31:25.520 watching very

01:31:26.540 carefully the

01:31:28.020 fact that

01:31:28.780 presidential

01:31:29.920 administration

01:31:30.860 has abducted

01:31:32.440 the leader

01:31:32.840 of a big

01:31:34.160 country.

01:31:35.800 We are

01:31:37.080 watching very

01:31:37.940 carefully that

01:31:40.060 American

01:31:41.080 Marines

01:31:43.820 are acting

01:31:45.640 like pirates

01:31:46.700 on high

01:31:47.220 seas,

01:31:48.800 seizing

01:31:49.200 tankers

01:31:50.220 wearing

01:31:51.880 Russian

01:31:52.480 flags,

01:31:53.080 Russian

01:31:53.340 pennars.

01:31:55.280 If that

01:31:56.500 continues,

01:31:57.680 we'll have

01:31:58.400 to

01:31:59.320 go back

01:32:02.600 to rough

01:32:03.380 deterrence.

01:32:04.320 But we

01:32:04.560 would like

01:32:05.020 to have

01:32:06.680 a,

01:32:08.220 if not

01:32:08.980 cordial,

01:32:09.800 but a

01:32:10.280 good

01:32:11.640 relationship

01:32:12.200 with the

01:32:12.980 United States

01:32:13.740 and with

01:32:14.840 other

01:32:15.240 two

01:32:17.660 great

01:32:18.380 countries

01:32:18.800 in the

01:32:19.140 world.

01:32:20.060 But we'll

01:32:20.500 see whether

01:32:20.920 he could

01:32:22.520 deliver.

01:32:23.580 I think

01:32:24.080 he wants

01:32:25.080 to deliver,

01:32:26.240 but whether

01:32:26.700 he's able

01:32:27.360 is a big

01:32:29.200 question.

01:32:29.940 So we

01:32:30.500 keep our

01:32:31.360 fingers

01:32:32.000 crossed.

01:32:33.760 And

01:32:34.160 let's

01:32:34.980 give us

01:32:35.800 be

01:32:36.780 absolutely

01:32:37.160 sure.

01:32:38.180 We hope

01:32:38.660 that he's

01:32:39.240 sincere,

01:32:40.600 but we

01:32:41.320 do not

01:32:41.680 trust

01:32:42.140 American

01:32:45.540 policies.

01:32:46.380 And

01:32:46.400 to a

01:32:47.280 certain

01:32:47.520 extent,

01:32:48.020 his

01:32:48.820 proposals

01:32:49.460 look like

01:32:50.680 a

01:32:51.500 honey

01:32:52.060 trap

01:32:52.500 trap.

01:32:55.600 Because

01:32:56.360 nothing

01:32:57.700 happens,

01:32:58.600 continue the

01:32:59.240 war.

01:33:00.840 Not

01:33:01.360 talking about

01:33:02.380 peace,

01:33:02.760 peace,

01:33:03.040 peace,

01:33:03.360 peace.

01:33:04.060 I mean,

01:33:04.380 referring to

01:33:05.080 who knows

01:33:07.320 whom,

01:33:07.720 Zelensky,

01:33:08.520 or other

01:33:09.500 pigmies in

01:33:10.880 Europe who are

01:33:11.780 blocking it.

01:33:12.520 and it

01:33:13.940 seems that

01:33:14.560 this war

01:33:15.520 is continuing

01:33:17.500 and maybe

01:33:18.440 the United

01:33:19.960 States

01:33:20.440 in the end

01:33:21.160 do not want

01:33:21.700 to finish

01:33:22.240 this war.

01:33:23.340 So,

01:33:23.860 then we'll

01:33:24.800 have to

01:33:26.200 come back

01:33:28.820 to the

01:33:30.400 solution,

01:33:32.640 which I have

01:33:33.120 mentioned several

01:33:33.780 times.

01:33:35.000 And that is

01:33:35.840 of starting

01:33:36.960 to punish

01:33:38.180 our

01:33:39.360 European

01:33:41.260 enemies

01:33:42.000 with an

01:33:44.540 understanding,

01:33:45.840 hopefully,

01:33:46.940 that the

01:33:48.380 United States

01:33:48.940 would,

01:33:50.680 and knowing

01:33:51.500 that they

01:33:52.340 would

01:33:52.580 refrain from

01:33:54.760 participating in

01:33:56.080 the nuclear

01:33:56.520 war in

01:33:56.980 Europe.

01:33:57.240 I think

01:34:01.220 it's important

01:34:01.700 for American

01:34:03.640 policymakers and

01:34:04.500 the American

01:34:05.300 citizenry, the

01:34:06.600 country, to

01:34:07.000 understand the

01:34:08.520 Russian perspective.

01:34:09.440 And I'm

01:34:09.840 grateful that you

01:34:10.400 gave it to us.

01:34:10.980 Mr. Kargonov,

01:34:11.560 thank you very

01:34:12.120 much for your

01:34:12.960 time.

01:34:13.260 Thank you.

01:34:13.700 It was a

01:34:14.220 pleasure.

01:34:15.220 Thank you for

01:34:15.720 me too.

01:34:16.560 Thanks very much

01:34:17.160 for watching.

01:34:17.880 We will see

01:34:18.500 you next

01:34:19.100 Wednesday.

The Tucker Carlson Show - January 15, 2026

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