The Tucker Carlson Show - BREAKING： Tucker and Doug Macgregor React to Proposed Ceasefire Deal Between Ukraine and Russia

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00:00:15.440 It feels like we're on the brink of something really catastrophic.

00:00:23.200 I kind of can't shake that feeling.

00:00:25.820 And by catastrophic, I mean some kind of global war.

00:00:28.760 I hope that's not true.

00:00:30.540 But let's just start with what just happened,

00:00:33.680 which is a drone attack on Moscow by the Ukrainians that killed a number of Russians in Moscow.

00:00:42.740 Who did that? Why? And what are its effects?

00:00:58.760 Well, that's an important question.

00:01:11.960 I think the Russians are disappointed in us because they detect that we're sincere in terms of wanting to end this conflict.

00:01:19.980 Trump is sincere. I mean, that's true.

00:01:21.820 But they don't understand why he does not act to remove this regime, remove this man, Zelensky, and put a stop to it.

00:01:28.400 But there's this constant drumbeat about a ceasefire.

00:01:31.920 Well, the Russians are highly organized and disciplined.

00:01:35.580 They can stop whenever it makes sense to do so.

00:01:39.080 The Ukrainians are not in the same category. 0.56

00:01:41.300 They seem to be a rogue organization now.

00:01:43.600 You know, we've got, what, 200,000 of them here in the United States.

00:01:47.880 And I don't know how many thousands of them are working for the SBU, the Ukrainian secret police.

00:01:53.120 They're now running around threatening everyone that has criticized Ukraine or opposed support for Ukraine.

00:02:00.520 And Alex Jones staffer was just murdered two days ago who was on some list put together by the Ukrainian government or its supporters of critics.

00:02:09.020 He was murdered outside of his house.

00:02:10.400 I mean, I don't think it's crazy to think, given the number of assassinations they've pulled off or attempted, that he was killed by them.

00:02:16.720 You think that's possible?

00:02:17.680 Well, I would be very worried about our president.

00:02:20.120 You know, I think the president is very much at risk.

00:02:22.000 And these people seem to know no sense of limitation.

00:02:26.720 They're capable of anything.

00:02:28.000 So I hope the Secret Service is on its toes.

00:02:31.120 I'm sure Kash Patel is well aware of this and the FBI.

00:02:35.220 I just don't have any good feelings right now about the Ukrainians. 1.00

00:02:38.340 I think they're done.

00:02:39.660 They're finished.

00:02:40.380 They've lost the war.

00:02:41.760 So all of these are sort of acts of vengeance, if you will, last resort. 1.00

00:02:49.780 Hurl whatever you have as deep as you can into Russia and just kill, murder, maim as many Russians as possible. 1.00

00:02:56.860 But to what end? 1.00

00:02:58.360 Well, to harm Russians and then try to create the illusion that there is some hope for them, that they can somehow or another mobilize more manpower and put more forces into the field. 0.97

00:03:09.060 They can't.

00:03:10.340 They're really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

00:03:12.740 I think the issue right now is the following.

00:03:17.420 The Russians have the initiative, strategic initiative.

00:03:20.540 This war is effectively at an end as far as they're concerned in terms of having won it.

00:03:25.160 They now have to make some decisions.

00:03:28.720 So you have to put yourself not so much in the place of Zelensky.

00:03:32.420 He's irrelevant.

00:03:33.900 The Russians are not surprised by what he's done. 1.00

00:03:36.120 And I think they're surprised that we haven't intervened to try and stop it.

00:03:40.260 That's what I think they're surprised about.

00:03:42.420 So what they want now, the Russians, is an end to this nonsense. 1.00

00:03:46.280 They have several options.

00:03:48.140 They now have concentrations of forces in the northeastern part of Ukraine and down in the southeastern part.

00:03:55.380 They can move at will at any time.

00:03:58.180 They have enough force they can cross in Kherson.

00:04:00.740 They can take Odessa.

00:04:02.740 They can move forward and straight into Kiev.

00:04:06.260 Whatever they do, they have to ask themselves, how far do we want to go to guarantee our security as Russians?

00:04:14.380 And they have never really wanted to go very far.

00:04:17.580 That's never been the intent.

00:04:19.000 But over time, they've been pushed more and more and more to secure more territory to protect themselves.

00:04:26.080 This latest act is probably convincing Russians that they should go straight to the Dnieper River, cross into Kiev, root out this regime, root and branch, cross down south and take Odessa, and turn rump Ukraine into a landlocked country. 0.85

00:04:42.020 I'm sure there are people that are arguing for that.

00:04:44.240 There are other Russians who are saying, the hell with this.

00:04:47.260 Let's just crush Ukraine once and for all. 1.00

00:04:50.520 This is a permanent cancer. 0.99

00:04:52.360 It's not going to go away.

00:04:54.180 People from the west are always going to try and go in and incite them.

00:04:57.960 So let's march to the Romanian and Polish borders, right to Moldova, and be done with this. 0.90

00:05:03.940 In the middle of this, it's President Putin.

00:05:06.920 And President Putin is nothing if not a very judicious person.

00:05:11.100 He's a very thoughtful person.

00:05:13.000 This is someone who does not act impulsively.

00:05:15.740 I'm sure you saw that.

00:05:17.260 I have.

00:05:17.760 Everything is calculated.

00:05:19.640 So he's going to sit there and say, what do I want to do?

00:05:22.440 What makes the most sense for Russia?

00:05:24.740 Set aside the emotion.

00:05:26.360 And he also knows President Trump.

00:05:28.700 And he says, President Trump wants an end to this.

00:05:31.320 So do I.

00:05:31.840 How do I nudge President Trump and say, help us?

00:05:36.660 We want to end this just as much as you do.

00:05:38.940 Help us a little bit.

00:05:40.340 Can't you rid us of this man, Zelensky, and this little MI6 CIA-supported cabal that surrounds him? 0.67

00:05:49.220 Can't you help us with this?

00:05:50.520 But on the other hand, he's looking at his people, and they're saying, don't depend on anything the West promises.

00:05:57.200 Don't believe anything the West says.

00:05:59.040 So march to the Dnieper, cross the river, end this once and for all.

00:06:04.420 This is the decision point.

00:06:05.860 It's a strategic inflection point in the history of Europe.

00:06:08.520 Because you now have a Russian leader with the power, with the capability to do anything he wants.

00:06:14.900 But this is a Russian who doesn't want to march West. 0.98

00:06:18.440 He doesn't want to rule Ukrainians. 0.98

00:06:20.900 He's not a fool. 0.91

00:06:21.880 He knows those people don't want to be ruled by Russians. 0.96

00:06:24.440 So it's a difficult position, but he has to end it.

00:06:28.020 And there's the other danger.

00:06:29.280 Who knows what comes next?

00:06:31.660 You know, they killed this Russian general who had a very prominent role, and his name escapes me right now, but he was killed recently.

00:06:40.200 He had a very prominent role in identifying the attempts by the Ukrainians to build a dirty bomb and also to launch attacks on the nuclear power plants. 0.87

00:06:50.080 He knows there are people over there capable of that kind of lunacy.

00:06:53.980 So that also has to figure into his calculus.

00:06:57.320 It's got to be one of the most evil governments in the world.

00:07:00.760 It is.

00:07:01.340 Well, look at what they've done to their own people.

00:07:04.160 I mean, how many of these Ukrainians have died needlessly?

00:07:07.200 The handwriting was on the wall two years ago.

00:07:09.840 Why would you drag this thing out?

00:07:12.480 And Putin has not wanted to drag it out, but he has also not wanted to give people in the West the impression that he's interested in doing anything more than removing the Ukrainian menace. 0.81

00:07:24.320 In other words, he's not interested in conquest, doesn't want to march West.

00:07:27.700 I mean, how many times can he and Lavrov say this nonsense? 0.98

00:07:31.340 And shut up Ann Applebaum and the rest of these crazies. 1.00

00:07:35.220 Why does Ann Applebaum have any effect on anything? 1.00

00:07:38.380 I mean, this is like one of the dumbest people in the United States. 0.99

00:07:41.000 I don't understand. 0.99

00:07:42.080 Well, she's also married to the Polish foreign minister.

00:07:44.500 And right now, the latest poll says that 86 percent of the Polish population opposes any Polish participation in a war against Russia.

00:07:54.780 So and even Tusk has said, if you think we're joining some sort of contingent to go into Western Ukraine, forget it.

00:08:01.280 We're not going.

00:08:02.660 So I think this whole facade is crumbling.

00:08:05.480 Is there any European population?

00:08:07.080 So there are many European leaders who have suggested, some have said out loud, others have hinted, that they're going to send troops to fight Putin.

00:08:14.200 It's absurd.

00:08:15.000 Is there any European population that wants that?

00:08:17.520 No, not a chance.

00:08:19.660 I mean, the British are probably the furthest from Russia.

00:08:24.960 Russia, and they all know what their army consists of today.

00:08:28.780 It's a bad facsimile of what was there 200 years ago.

00:08:33.780 It goes back to Bismarck's famous remark in 1879.

00:08:38.700 He was asked by a British journalist, what would you do if the British army landed on the North German coast?

00:08:45.000 He said, well, I'd have it arrested.

00:08:48.040 And everyone was upset.

00:08:50.140 But he was right.

00:08:51.340 The British army was about the size that it is now.

00:08:53.860 And the German army at that point numbered, what, 400,000, 600,000, with the capacity to mobilize millions.

00:09:00.720 So this is all nonsense.

00:09:02.440 The same thing is nonsensical in France.

00:09:04.620 All my friends in the French military, and I've got several, have told me, Douglas, this is absurd.

00:09:09.820 You know, the only thing the French army is prepared for is to go on safari in Africa.

00:09:14.060 Yeah, and they're pulling out of there.

00:09:15.460 And of course they're pulling out.

00:09:16.720 This is a waste of time, money, and resources, all of it.

00:09:20.180 The issue for Donald Trump is as follows.

00:09:22.920 And I think this is what's most important for him to keep in mind.

00:09:25.940 And his instincts are good.

00:09:28.020 If he follows his instincts, he'll be fine.

00:09:30.120 He needs to stop listening to the people around him.

00:09:32.500 Number one, any war that breaks out today involving the United States and Russia, and whether or not Russia, we want it to be involved. 0.71

00:09:42.020 Russia is involved in the Middle East.

00:09:44.060 Russia is involved in Eastern Europe.

00:09:45.520 Whatever happens, the war will expand.

00:09:49.200 We will end up with multiple enemies arrayed against us.

00:09:53.060 China, BRICS in general, and certainly Iran and other states in the Middle East.

00:09:59.260 So the first thing is all wars will expand.

00:10:02.800 So don't start one under any circumstances.

00:10:05.260 It will expand out of control.

00:10:06.660 The second thing is he's going to discover the hard way, that we are grossly overstretched and overextended.

00:10:14.940 The American military establishment is in no position to fight any kind of long war.

00:10:20.880 Remember we used to talk about the long war that we were supposed to fight?

00:10:24.100 That was all nonsense.

00:10:25.180 If you look at all of the simulations that involve us against Iran or us against any number of great powers, they all end in two weeks.

00:10:35.460 Well, why does the war end in two weeks?

00:10:38.540 Because in two weeks we've exhausted everything that we've got.

00:10:42.040 There's no more ammunition.

00:10:43.400 There are no more missiles, no more rockets.

00:10:45.200 I would say in truth right now it's closer to one week, maybe 10 days.

00:10:49.860 And we don't have this scientific industrial base with manufacturing capability that is humming along 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

00:10:59.180 We can't match Russia, the nation of what, 140 million?

00:11:03.220 Imagine that economic base producing in China.

00:11:07.400 China is in a position today that we were in during World War II and in the aftermath.

00:11:12.240 We were the productivity giant across the world.

00:11:16.400 That's China. 0.88

00:11:17.780 So you can't go to war with these people.

00:11:19.160 You'll be buried by them with conventional weapons and ammunition.

00:11:23.340 And anyone who thinks a nuclear exchange makes sense deserves to be shipped off to the nearest asylum.

00:11:31.020 And I think Trump understands that.

00:11:32.860 So those first two things, anything that we do expands out of control.

00:11:37.920 Secondly, we're overstretched, overextended.

00:11:40.960 Our forces are tired.

00:11:42.400 They're very exhausted.

00:11:43.360 The naval forces in particular have a lot of problems.

00:11:46.640 Not just them, but, you know, they're the ones that are sitting out there on the front line right now.

00:11:52.140 And then on top of that, you have the Air Force.

00:11:55.000 And the Air Force cannot field thousands and thousands of fighters and bombers.

00:11:58.980 You know, we lost 18,000 bombers trying to penetrate German air defenses during World War II.

00:12:05.620 We in the Royal Air Force.

00:12:07.460 18,000 bombers.

00:12:10.020 Air defenses today in Iran are substantial.

00:12:13.740 And they are capable.

00:12:15.280 This is the S-400.

00:12:17.160 They are layered with multiple kinds of missiles over a vast area and radars.

00:12:22.460 We are going to lose aircraft.

00:12:23.860 No one knows how many because we've never fought our way through it.

00:12:28.000 But we don't have thousands to lose.

00:12:31.140 So in an attrition setting, we can't win.

00:12:35.020 And unfortunately, when you're 6,000 miles away from home, it's attrition.

00:12:40.180 You can't replace rapidly.

00:12:41.660 You can't reload rapidly.

00:12:43.540 You can't resupply rapidly.

00:12:44.980 Logistically, it's a disaster.

00:12:46.240 Then finally, you see what's happened in the market recently.

00:12:50.100 Dropped 900 points.

00:12:52.480 What do you think happens if there's a war in the Middle East or in Eastern Europe?

00:12:56.700 It'll just intensify the sell-off.

00:12:59.220 Everything tanks.

00:13:00.760 All confidence will be lost.

00:13:03.480 No one in their right mind at this point should be talking about a war.

00:13:07.400 We should be talking about disengagement.

00:13:09.360 And Zelensky, frankly, the way he was treated, I think President Trump was far too gentle.

00:13:17.020 I'm surprised that two giant Secret Service agents did not come in, pick him up, and remove him from the office.

00:13:24.820 But the way he handled Zelensky is the way he's got to handle Netanyahu.

00:13:29.280 Because if he doesn't, Netanyahu will drag him into the abyss. 0.66

00:13:33.320 Because he wants this war in the Middle East, come hell or high water.

00:13:38.080 And it's not in our interest.

00:13:40.380 What war?

00:13:41.300 The war with Iran.

00:13:42.860 The war with everybody. 0.94

00:13:44.620 I mean, you've seen these settings where Netanyahu sits at a table and he's got everybody around him in his cabinet.

00:13:50.640 And he says, this is our opportunity to settle with everyone.

00:13:54.320 We're fighting on five fronts.

00:13:56.140 No, we're fighting on seven fronts.

00:13:57.660 And he starts ticking off, you know, everyone from the Houthis to the militias in Iraq and Syria and now Iran and so forth.

00:14:08.540 If you look at the map today, he's trying to occupy Syria all the way up to the edge of Damascus. 0.71

00:14:16.420 And Erdogan, who is a very clever but slippery character, has already said, forget it.

00:14:21.060 We're not going to tolerate that in southern Syria.

00:14:23.720 So he's pushing the envelope to the very edge.

00:14:27.660 In Damascus, there are three great Islamic cities in the region.

00:14:31.340 One is Cairo, the other is Jerusalem, and then Damascus.

00:14:35.160 They're not going to surrender Damascus to the Israelis. 0.93

00:14:38.340 So whatever happens, the Turks will eventually become involved. 0.96

00:14:42.600 They'll march in.

00:14:43.760 So, I mean, that creates a kind of structural problem because Turkey is a member of NATO.

00:14:48.860 I don't think so, because I don't think NATO matters.

00:14:54.620 Maybe you're right.

00:14:55.560 I don't think it has for a long time.

00:14:57.640 Well, it matters in a material sense.

00:14:59.800 We just use the name NATO to wage a war against Russia for three years that we lost. 0.60

00:15:05.460 Yeah.

00:15:06.040 So, but that would be the end of NATO, right?

00:15:09.480 Well, what we're talking about will end everything that we're accustomed to, the rules-based order, which just means our global hegemony in military and economic terms.

00:15:20.300 Everyone in BRICS is now being forced together. 0.94

00:15:23.660 We're forcing cohesion on BRICS as an alternative to our financial system, which we use to bully everybody. 1.00

00:15:30.080 So that's all that BRICS is about.

00:15:32.760 But now BRICS is going to become increasingly militarized because we're seen as this rogue state that is willing to put everything at risk in order to retain its position of dominance.

00:15:44.120 That's catastrophic for us.

00:15:46.680 We don't want to go down that road.

00:15:49.160 And that's why I think most of us voted for President Trump.

00:15:52.280 We saw him as someone who would say no and diverge from that path.

00:15:56.680 But we don't know right now.

00:15:58.460 It's not clear.

00:15:59.320 He has not made it clear what he wants.

00:16:02.560 He has said he wants a settlement with Russia.

00:16:05.400 He wants normalization with Russia.

00:16:08.140 Okay, if you really want that, you've got to act in a way that demonstrates conclusively that you support that.

00:16:14.380 That means end all the military aid right now to the Ukrainians.

00:16:18.640 Period.

00:16:19.160 Done.

00:16:19.940 Number two, get all of the Americans out of Ukraine immediately. 1.00

00:16:24.240 Everybody.

00:16:25.220 Intelligence, civilians, contractors.

00:16:27.700 I mean, this has been another contracting bonanza in Ukraine, just as Afghanistan was. 0.92

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00:19:53.880 One of the things you need to do is account for the weapons that you shipped over there

00:19:57.020 and the biolabs that you built there.

00:20:00.640 And so Ukraine, the Ukrainian military has been selling.

00:20:04.240 I think everyone's aware of this.

00:20:05.740 It's true.

00:20:06.300 A large percentage of these weapons onto international arms markets, and they've wound up with some of the worst people in the world and destabilized the world.

00:20:14.340 But there's been no attempt by any agency in the U.S. government that I'm aware of to keep track of where they are.

00:20:21.060 And moreover, the CIA has lied about that.

00:20:27.180 Well, Tucker, let's face it, the CIA is a black hole.

00:20:32.720 We don't really know what goes into it, and we're not really sure what comes out of it other than destruction.

00:20:38.240 You know, wherever the CIA dabbles and moves in, we end up with subversion, revolution, disintegration.

00:20:47.600 That's everything we touch, literally.

00:20:49.740 That's why it was such a stroke of genius to get rid of USAID.

00:20:54.460 USAID was helping to fund all the nonsense, along with National Endowment for Democracy.

00:20:59.060 Thank God for those things.

00:21:01.360 But I, you know, I don't know about the gentleman, Radcliffe, who is in charge of the CIA.

00:21:07.140 I don't know what his march orders are.

00:21:08.560 But we have a very serious problem over there.

00:21:11.840 This has been operating for a very long time in isolation from any accountability and any real oversight.

00:21:19.660 So that needs to be stripped down to the bare bolts and find out what's really happening over there.

00:21:25.640 Everybody talks about the Epstein files and all these kinds of things.

00:21:28.740 I'm sure it would be nice to know the truth about all of that.

00:21:31.600 But there's much worse going on in the CIA globally, and we need to put a stop to it.

00:21:36.780 But these are actions that we have to take, not just for ourselves, but to demonstrate to the rest of the world that we're serious.

00:21:44.740 We want an end to these conflicts.

00:21:47.680 We're not interested in waging war in everybody else's country.

00:21:50.960 We're not interested in planting new governments that are puppet regimes in other people's countries.

00:21:57.700 That's what it's about.

00:21:59.340 That's what we've got to do.

00:22:00.740 If we don't do that, we're going to eventually be dragged into a confrontation with a substantial portion of the world.

00:22:09.260 And then we don't prevail.

00:22:11.500 Of course not.

00:22:12.480 Of course not.

00:22:13.060 But keep in mind, what about the American people?

00:22:16.520 There's nobody here.

00:22:17.640 We walk outside.

00:22:19.340 Find anybody who says, well, you know, there's a train leaving, you know, for Ukraine.

00:22:24.620 You can get all your equipment, draw it right there in the train station, get on and go and fight Ukraine. 1.00

00:22:29.420 See how many people show up. 0.99

00:22:30.960 Oh, well, why don't we bomb Iran? 1.00

00:22:33.340 Would you like to be part of the strike package? 0.99

00:22:35.520 We have a seat for you on a B-2, and you can watch the bombs go off.

00:22:38.620 Would you like to do that?

00:22:40.000 Nobody wants to do that. 0.99

00:22:41.520 There's no interest in this country in any of that crap. 0.95

00:22:43.920 But people in this country are damn well interested in what's happening on the Mexican border, and I just spent three days down there. 0.99

00:22:50.760 And they're damn well interested in what's happening in Mexico because they know that that is a cesspool of barbarism, savagery, criminality. 1.00

00:23:00.480 And that's our existential threat. 0.85

00:23:03.820 Not China, not Russia, not Iran, not anywhere.

00:23:08.140 We can manage those things.

00:23:10.360 President Trump can manage those things.

00:23:12.120 This thing down on the Mexican border is really at a boiling point.

00:23:17.440 We need to understand that.

00:23:19.120 Tell me, what does that mean?

00:23:20.660 Well, what it means is that the cartels run everything.

00:23:23.260 I mean, we hear about this President Scheinbaum in Mexico.

00:23:26.360 Forget it.

00:23:27.980 You know, she controls, what, 40 square kilometers in Mexico City. 0.85

00:23:31.740 This whole thing is an organized crime state.

00:23:34.020 Everyone in Mexico knows the truth.

00:23:36.760 You know, if you go to Mexico City, my oldest son was just down there for a month.

00:23:40.820 And he speaks very fluent Spanish, and he was talking to lots of people, and he loved the place, loved Mexico City, loves Mexicans.

00:23:48.660 But they'll tell you flat out, well, don't go there, and don't go here, and don't go there, and don't ride in this cab, and don't take this automobile.

00:23:55.640 Don't go to that airport.

00:23:57.340 You know, everybody knows the truth.

00:24:00.080 Everybody knows who operates what, who controls what.

00:24:03.220 And if you navigate through this maze of invested power of the cartels, you can survive.

00:24:11.220 But if you accidentally cross into their territory and are seen as a potential problem in any way, shape, or form, you're dead.

00:24:19.120 But at the same time, you've got whole families of these cartels, people that work for them that are being treated for dental needs, medical problems, whatever else.

00:24:31.320 I mean, you join the cartel, you get free health care.

00:24:34.480 You get all of this.

00:24:36.760 It's bizarre, but it's real.

00:24:39.000 And you pointed out the weapons going down there are serious.

00:24:43.420 I was down there, and we talked to several people who were border patrolmen, also talked to some Texas Guard people, and said, we just go 100 yards on the other side into Mexico, and behind the ridgeline over there, you'll see all the weapons, all the RPGs, the javelin missile systems that have found their way to Mexico.

00:25:03.300 Javelin missile systems?

00:25:04.340 Oh, yeah, yeah, we've got it.

00:25:05.120 They've got those things over there.

00:25:06.440 From Ukraine?

00:25:07.220 Yeah, sure.

00:25:07.720 Well, we sent over, I don't know how many, what, 1,000 of them, and several hundred were captured by the Russians, and then I'm sure several were sold on the black market.

00:25:19.300 I mean, about 50% of everything that showed up there ended up somewhere that didn't belong.

00:25:26.120 It's just one huge corrupt industry in Ukraine, and the longer we feed it cash, the worse it will get.

00:25:33.340 So you've got to starve it of cash, starve it of ammunition, and end it.

00:25:38.040 Ukrainian people will ultimately thank you for it.

00:25:40.640 They've had enough.

00:25:41.800 I don't care what various people say.

00:25:44.960 They're tired of it.

00:25:46.020 What do you think the actual losses are on both sides in that war?

00:25:50.220 I think the Russians have lost, well, when they say Russians, let's put it this way. 0.88

00:25:54.120 The Russians, 90,000 to 100,000 dead.

00:25:56.200 They may have lost another 10,000 to 20,000 non-Russians from within the military establishment.

00:26:04.580 And that's one of the great achievements, by the way, of President Putin, has been to weld this force together that includes large numbers of Muslim Turks, who are extremely competent fighters, very tough. 1.00

00:26:16.200 In fact, the Chechen fighters are cleaning out Kursk right now, Kursk-Oblost, because the Ukrainians made a mistake. 0.89

00:26:24.480 They hurled large numbers of drones down into Chechnya and killed a number of people, and that just lit a fuse that is now exploding.

00:26:32.680 Who'd want to fight with Chechnya? 1.00

00:26:34.520 I certainly don't.

00:26:36.340 No normal man wants to fight the Turks period. 0.92

00:26:37.980 Right.

00:26:38.120 I mean, there's two wars.

00:26:39.660 I mean, I'm not an expert, but I sort of followed it in the news.

00:26:42.720 So maybe not want to mess with the Chechens at all. 1.00

00:26:46.040 Never, ever.

00:26:47.680 Absolutely not.

00:26:49.280 And there's a good, healthy relationship right now between the Muslims and the Orthodox Christians.

00:26:54.500 Yes, I've noticed.

00:26:55.320 It's a very positive thing.

00:26:57.660 He's done that very well.

00:26:58.800 There's a lot to be learned from that.

00:27:01.080 I think we could do something similar in some respects.

00:27:03.680 But having said that, the problem is right now, 100,000 plus 10,000 to 20,000 of the others, that's about it.

00:27:12.360 But on the Ukrainian side, I can certainly account, through the various sources I trust, for 1.2 million dead Ukrainian soldiers.

00:27:20.500 Dead.

00:27:22.060 There are those out there.

00:27:22.880 So you think it's 10 to 1.

00:27:24.140 Oh, easily.

00:27:25.300 And that's because over the last year.

00:27:27.780 Well, that is just shocking.

00:27:30.320 Yeah, but over the last year, it's grown.

00:27:33.280 In other words, the losses have just tripled and quadrupled every day.

00:27:38.480 You know, you've talked to people.

00:27:39.880 You can watch people like Larry Johnson and Scott Ritter and others.

00:27:43.360 They all have different numbers and different sources.

00:27:45.580 But they all agree 1.2 million is about right.

00:27:50.080 There are some who think 1.5 million is closer.

00:27:52.940 Dead.

00:27:53.540 Yes.

00:27:54.460 And what happens at the end of wars?

00:27:56.740 In a country of under 50 million, but 25 million in the country now, I think-ish.

00:28:01.520 There's nothing left. 0.56

00:28:03.480 That's why the notion that they can build anything now is ridiculous.

00:28:08.040 And how many millions are overseas?

00:28:10.380 What, 15 to 20 million have left the country?

00:28:13.340 There are 2 million plus Ukrainians in Russia, and probably 15 plus million in the West.

00:28:19.940 And most of them have made it clear they have no intention of ever going back.

00:28:24.640 So this is killed, for all intents and purposes, for the foreseeable future, the Ukrainian nation. 0.86

00:28:31.960 But these things happen at the end of wars.

00:28:34.200 Most of the Germans killed in the military towards the end of the Second World War were killed in the last nine months.

00:28:43.120 Max Hastings wrote a book about it.

00:28:44.980 I can't remember the exact title of it.

00:28:46.940 It wasn't perfect, but it wasn't a bad illustration of what was going on.

00:28:52.080 When armies are retreating, and they've lost their air and missile defense, they've lost their logistics.

00:28:59.020 In other words, the units are breaking down because they can't feed themselves.

00:29:03.320 They can't protect themselves.

00:29:04.760 So it becomes not immediately every man for himself, but the units try to fight their way through to get back home.

00:29:12.280 And that's what the Ukrainians have done. 0.99

00:29:13.800 But as they're doing that, the problem today is with all of these unmanned systems and the surveillance that the Russians have, they can be killed in great numbers as they're running away, as they're leaving. 0.98

00:29:25.100 And they're not running away because they're cowards. 0.98

00:29:27.100 Nobody will tell you that the Ukrainians are cowards. 1.00

00:29:29.240 It's absolutely unacceptable.

00:29:31.740 These are very brave, courageous people, just like the Russians.

00:29:35.160 But they have no chance.

00:29:37.020 And so they're being driven in front of the advancing Russians. 0.69

00:29:40.760 And people say, well, why are the Russians advancing so slowly?

00:29:44.360 Because from the very beginning, Putin has not wanted to kill large numbers of Orthodox Christian Slavs.

00:29:52.660 It's not been his aim.

00:29:54.600 Yeah.

00:29:54.820 Well, it's definitely the aim of the West.

00:29:56.540 Oh, look at these.

00:29:58.760 Look at these biolabs. 1.00

00:30:01.740 Isn't that pretty clear from what we've seen?

00:30:03.600 It's pretty clear.

00:30:04.080 And so if you take three steps back, I mean, Ukraine is not even the point. 0.97

00:30:09.900 The point is destroying Putin and killing Russia and breaking it up.

00:30:15.980 And if you kill large numbers of Ukrainians, I think for many of the people behind this, that was seen as a collateral damage or even a bonus. 0.98

00:30:23.060 I hate to make that point.

00:30:25.160 Well, I agree completely.

00:30:26.620 I've reached it. 0.99

00:30:27.160 I mean, killing Christians around the world is the actual subtext to our foreign policy. 0.99

00:30:31.660 Someone just handed me this. 0.99

00:30:33.420 This is just out.

00:30:34.580 Ukraine backs U.S. proposal for 30-day ceasefire with Russia.

00:30:37.500 I'm going to read this to you if you don't mind.

00:30:39.420 Ukraine, quote, expressed readiness to accept a U.S. proposal for an immediate 30-day ceasefire with Russia, the two countries said in a joint statement after a key meeting between U.S. and Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia.

00:30:49.780 A ceasefire, if implemented, would be a major diplomatic breakthrough, da-da-da-da-da, this is Rubio, quote, the Secretary of State.

00:30:57.620 The ball is now in their court.

00:30:58.840 We hope the Russians will reciprocate.

00:31:03.060 The U.S. agreed to lift its suspension on intelligence sharing with Ukraine and resume weapons shipments to the country, which were paused 10 days ago.

00:31:13.540 That makes no sense.

00:31:14.780 After weeks of pressure on the Ukrainians, the U.S. side signaled the pressure is now on Russia.

00:31:18.320 Quote, if the Russians say no, we will know what the impediment is here, said Marco Rubio.

00:31:24.120 National Security Advisor Mike Waltz said Ukraine not only accepted the U.S. proposal, but also presented its principles for a comprehensive peace deal, which includes security guarantees that it requires.

00:31:34.180 Waltz also made clear to his team that all fighting needs to stop, not just air and missile strikes.

00:31:39.520 Before you negotiate, you need to stop shooting at each other.

00:31:41.520 That's what the president wanted to see, said Marco Rubio.

00:31:44.220 The U.S. and Ukraine also agreed to conclude as soon as possible, quote, a comprehensive agreement for developing Ukraine's critical mineral resources.

00:31:56.960 It wasn't clear if this meant that they would sign the deal that they'd been talking about.

00:32:00.140 Steve Witkoff, President Trump's envoy, global envoy, is visiting Moscow on Thursday to meet with President Putin and discuss this.

00:32:10.620 What's your response to that?

00:32:12.420 Well, I think there's some positive things in there, but we're missing the boat with the Russians again. 0.99

00:32:16.900 We don't understand that if Ukraine is going to be neutral, why are we continuing to supply it with weapons at this stage?

00:32:24.100 It's the Ukrainians that have to stop fighting. 1.00

00:32:26.880 The Russians will stop when they see evidence that the Ukrainian force is defeated or quits.

00:32:33.700 That hasn't happened yet.

00:32:35.080 Not with these attacks that just occurred over Moscow.

00:32:38.060 So the Russians are asking the question, you're the ones keeping this monster alive. 1.00

00:32:43.360 You created the monster. 0.91

00:32:44.820 The monster is fatally wounded, and you keep putting it on life support.

00:32:49.420 Do you really want an end to this war?

00:32:51.420 I mean, imagine if we were dealing with a similar enemy in Mexico, and we found out that the Russians and the Chinese had provided vast quantities of equipment and assistance to the Mexicans who were trying to fight us and regain control of the Southwest.

00:33:09.000 And we defeated them and driven them back out of the country, and they refused to stop. 0.81

00:33:15.100 They continued to fight.

00:33:16.000 We said, well, if you want this war to end, tell them to stop fighting, put down their weapons, and back out.

00:33:22.740 And if they won't do that, then we have to do what?

00:33:24.940 March into Mexico and crush them. 1.00

00:33:27.420 I mean, this is the best analogy that I can come up with to make people understand what we're dealing with.

00:33:32.940 So if you want normalized relations with Russia, go back to what we said at the beginning.

00:33:39.760 End the military support for this heinous regime.

00:33:43.100 This is guilty of all sorts of terrible war crimes anyway. 0.69

00:33:46.200 All the things that Russia was accused of are things that the Ukrainians have done. 1.00

00:33:50.480 So let's get out of this.

00:33:52.160 Well, they tried to, you know, and they assassinated people.

00:33:54.460 They tried to assassinate a couple of people I know personally well.

00:33:59.120 Fact, not guessing.

00:34:00.240 So, you know, I consider that government, not the Ukrainians. 0.74

00:34:06.680 I think the Ukrainians, as you said, are valiant and decent, and an awful lot of them are Christians.

00:34:11.440 I know a lot of Ukrainians, and I couldn't think more highly of them, but I think that their government is totally evil.

00:34:18.880 Yeah, completely.

00:34:19.520 And so here's the thinking as far as I understand it.

00:34:21.820 What do I know?

00:34:22.360 But my strong sense is that the Trump White House wants an end to this war.

00:34:28.480 The president campaigned on it.

00:34:30.040 He thinks it's within his grasp.

00:34:32.960 He also wants a more normalized relationship with Russia.

00:34:36.160 He grieves over Russia's now permanent alliance with China.

00:34:40.880 He sees how bad that is.

00:34:42.400 It's not fixable.

00:34:43.200 But bringing Russia a little bit closer back to the West is a good thing. 1.00

00:34:48.280 I think I'm describing his thinking fairly.

00:34:51.280 But for the purposes of making a deal, the thought is that you can't make a deal from a position of weakness.

00:34:58.800 And so you have to show your teeth in order to get the other side to come to better terms.

00:35:05.800 That's the idea behind throwing more weapons to Ukraine.

00:35:09.060 How do you assess that?

00:35:10.180 It's delusional.

00:35:10.840 Well, it's leading down the wrong path.

00:35:14.000 If you want this to end, then stop it.

00:35:16.240 You stop supplying it and get our people out of Ukraine. 1.00

00:35:19.300 Make it very clear we're out of this.

00:35:21.740 No more weapons.

00:35:23.240 No more cash.

00:35:24.240 We're finished.

00:35:25.440 The British and the French can't come in and make up for that. 1.00

00:35:28.120 Neither can the Germans. 0.99

00:35:29.620 So that's all nonsense.

00:35:30.800 You saw this Euro summit.

00:35:32.660 They're going to assemble, what, almost a trillion dollars to beef up defense in these countries.

00:35:38.080 Good luck.

00:35:38.600 I don't see that occurring in Europe at all.

00:35:41.360 Because the average Europeans are saying, for what?

00:35:44.200 They look at what's happening and they no longer believe this myth.

00:35:47.520 The Russians are coming. 1.00

00:35:48.500 The Russians are coming. 1.00

00:35:49.560 You know, the Russians are coming. 1.00

00:35:51.180 They're going to be on I-95 in northern Jersey tomorrow night.

00:35:54.660 Come on.

00:35:55.020 The Russians are coming. 1.00

00:35:55.540 We have to kill them here. 1.00

00:35:57.040 You hear Republicans say this all the time. 1.00

00:35:58.980 Republican senators, really the worst group in the country, in my opinion, short of Antifa.

00:36:03.440 But, you know, it's a really good deal for us.

00:36:06.080 Yeah. 1.00

00:36:06.380 Because we're killing all these European Christians there so we don't have to kill them here. 1.00

00:36:12.860 And they say that out loud. 0.99

00:36:15.140 Well, they said that Lyndon Johnson was like, well, if we don't kill them here now in Vietnam, we're going to be fighting them in Los Angeles. 0.98

00:36:23.920 So we got to get them now. 0.96

00:36:26.300 Come on. 0.95

00:36:26.760 That was ridiculous. 1.00

00:36:27.480 I heard General Abizaid make the same stupid statement in 2004. 1.00

00:36:32.440 Well, we have to kill these Islamist terrorists here in Iraq or we'll be fighting them in our own country. 1.00

00:36:38.820 It's all crap. 1.00

00:36:39.860 It's the same old set of lies. 1.00

00:36:41.960 It's sort of like the perpetual neocon narrative.

00:36:46.580 It's 1936.

00:36:48.780 We all have to band together.

00:36:50.420 There's another Hitlerite on the horizon. 0.99

00:36:52.400 You know, this is a standard sort of gruel that is pitched to the American people over and over and over again in the Anglosphere in general, whether it's Great Britain, the United States, or Australia. 0.87

00:37:04.540 It's all nonsense.

00:37:05.980 We got to get past this and once and for all bury it.

00:37:09.820 If we really want this to stop, this is not about winning or losing.

00:37:14.120 I think that's another problem.

00:37:16.160 You know, we got to make sure this is a win for the president.

00:37:18.380 A win for the president is an end to this war.

00:37:22.840 Period.

00:37:24.060 Number two, what are our interests in Ukraine?

00:37:27.720 Tell me what they are.

00:37:29.480 What are the strategic interests that justify intervention in that country?

00:37:34.540 Time's up.

00:37:36.020 There are none.

00:37:37.420 We've never had any interest in Ukraine whatsoever.

00:37:40.040 We wish them well.

00:37:42.000 We want them to be happy and prosperous.

00:37:44.940 But we have never had any interest in defending them against anybody under any circumstances.

00:37:50.860 We've got to get back to what's rational, not what's emotional.

00:37:55.800 The president just needs to look at this and say, we need to stop this.

00:38:00.680 And he can be a world historical figure if he ends the carnage in Ukraine by simply saying, that's it, we're out.

00:38:10.380 And then turns around to the Middle East and say, stop now.

00:38:15.040 No more mass murder and expulsion of human beings from Gaza or the West Bank or anywhere else.

00:38:21.180 If he's willing to do those things, he's a world historical figure.

00:38:25.340 That's a dramatic sea change in the history, I would say, of the West and probably of the world.

00:38:31.240 But instead, what we get is, oh, we can't do that.

00:38:35.340 We'll look weak.

00:38:36.320 It's sort of the argument that Kissinger made to Nixon.

00:38:39.200 Well, we can't just leave Vietnam.

00:38:41.840 Well, that's exactly what the hell we did, right?

00:38:44.580 We left.

00:38:46.140 Yeah.

00:38:46.380 So, no, we've got to go into Cambodia to show them that we're strong.

00:38:50.420 How many people did we lose in Cambodia needlessly?

00:38:53.540 Yeah.

00:38:54.440 It's the same mentality.

00:38:56.100 Just be honest.

00:38:57.540 This is over.

00:38:58.940 And then tell the Europeans, these are people that we're supposedly allied with, that they need to sit down at the table with Moscow. 0.51

00:39:06.060 And we're happy to be there.

00:39:07.840 We'll sponsor it.

00:39:09.520 We'll set them up.

00:39:10.660 But they've gone so far in the other direction.

00:39:13.060 In the U.K. right now, even Nigel Farage, head of the Reform Party, which I think is the biggest party, doesn't have power, but it's by registration the biggest party in Britain. 0.96

00:39:24.620 And it's the counterbalance both to the crazed laborites and the pathetic castrated Tories. 0.84

00:39:32.980 They won't say that we should end the war in Ukraine. 0.99

00:39:37.440 Even they won't.

00:39:38.500 I mean, it's like there's nobody.

00:39:40.420 There's no party that I'm aware of in all of Europe with power that will say that.

00:39:46.640 Well, you said with power.

00:39:48.040 There are plenty of parties out there advocating.

00:39:49.980 There are.

00:39:50.840 AFD, the Alternative für Deutschland, is not a far-right party.

00:39:56.500 I hear that all the time.

00:39:57.620 Anything that challenges the status quo is far-right.

00:40:01.280 Anything that Applebaum doesn't want. 0.81

00:40:03.160 It's a bunch of nonsense.

00:40:05.020 They want an end to this. 0.91

00:40:06.360 There's no question about it.

00:40:07.460 None of this ever made sense for Germany under any circumstances.

00:40:11.140 Well, it destroyed Germany. 0.94

00:40:12.180 Yeah.

00:40:12.700 The Germans have destroyed Germany. 0.97

00:40:14.680 Oh, I know.

00:40:15.080 Not the Russians. 1.00

00:40:15.480 Oh, I know.

00:40:16.520 And the Russians have no interest in destroying Germany. 0.74

00:40:19.500 It's the ruling classes in these countries.

00:40:21.960 They're globalist, and they need to be removed.

00:40:24.180 And they will be removed.

00:40:25.600 I'm confident that it will happen.

00:40:28.040 The British have not had a real revolution since Cromwell.

00:40:31.540 But I think they've reached the point now where they very much need a Cromwellian figure to clean house. 0.99

00:40:36.660 Because the people ruling them are weak and inept. 0.98

00:40:40.080 Do you see any path to that happening? 0.99

00:40:45.760 I don't know.

00:40:46.920 I don't know.

00:40:47.480 I haven't been to Britain for many years.

00:40:50.400 Really?

00:40:50.860 No, I have not.

00:40:51.640 I think the last time I was in Britain was 2005.

00:40:56.980 Don't go.

00:40:57.900 It'll make you too sad.

00:40:59.020 Yeah.

00:40:59.240 I mean, you're talking to somebody who worships at the altar of English-speaking civilization.

00:41:04.940 Me too.

00:41:05.340 And I don't even want to think about it.

00:41:07.640 But I think there are still enough Scots, Welsh, English, and Irish there who will stand up and be counted.

00:41:14.400 I'm cheered up by somebody like Conor McGregor that stands up and defends Irish, national, culture, identity, language, everything.

00:41:23.640 All of the Europeans need to come to Jesus on this one. 1.00

00:41:26.620 They need to come very, very soon.

00:41:28.720 And that doesn't mean they're evil.

00:41:30.140 It means that they're defending the one thing that is worth defending, which is their own country, their own nation, their own society.

00:41:37.600 So I hope that that will happen.

00:41:39.520 We need to do the same thing.

00:41:41.700 And that's why I went down to the border.

00:41:45.060 And, again, this has nothing to do with whether you love or dislike Mexicans.

00:41:50.220 I'm sorry.

00:41:50.980 Mexicans are fine.

00:41:52.360 That's not the issue.

00:41:53.040 Everyone likes Mexicans.

00:41:54.320 Yeah, everybody does.

00:41:55.760 No one's against Mexicans.

00:41:56.300 The bottom line, though, is that our border is the soft underbelly of the country.

00:42:01.740 It's a strategic vulnerability.

00:42:04.160 And what exists in Latin America, in Central America, in Mexico is very dangerous to us. 1.00

00:42:10.560 And if we don't wake up and start focusing on it, it will ultimately destroy us.

00:42:17.200 How many hundreds of thousands have we lost?

00:42:19.740 500,000 people to fentanyl poisoning.

00:42:22.580 And somebody says, whoa, Chinese.

00:42:24.180 Wait a minute.

00:42:24.880 But the Chinese ship ingredients.

00:42:28.100 They're mixed down in Mexico. 0.73

00:42:29.960 You don't like the fact the Chinese sold the ingredients? 0.94

00:42:33.240 Fine.

00:42:34.000 You can ban the Chinese from exporting to the United States. 0.89

00:42:37.160 I don't care what you do.

00:42:38.200 Don't go to war with China.

00:42:39.780 The people that are mixing the poison and then mainlining it into the country, they're the cartels in Mexico.

00:42:45.980 And, by the way, they have a lot of support here.

00:42:48.920 Their influence reaches right up into DHS all the way to Congress.

00:42:53.080 There are so many people on the payroll, I'm told, after my visit down to the border, it's frightening.

00:42:59.400 American officials on the payroll of Mexican drug cartels.

00:43:03.060 The other thing, as an example, I said, well, have we stopped everything?

00:43:08.860 And, you know, you talk to sheriffs.

00:43:11.120 And I went down there and talked to really a great man.

00:43:13.620 And he's a huge supporter of President Trump, as I am.

00:43:17.340 And I walked into his office, this building, and here's this life-size photograph of Donald Trump pointing at you.

00:43:27.640 I thought it was Trump.

00:43:29.320 I mean, I really did.

00:43:30.440 I said, my God, how did the president get here ahead of all of us?

00:43:33.060 It was about the same time that Vance and Tulsi and Hegseth went to Eagle Pass.

00:43:38.020 And this was Kinney County, and this was Sheriff Coe.

00:43:42.460 And Sheriff Coe says, oh, things have gotten so much better.

00:43:46.060 You know, that's right.

00:43:46.980 The optics are much better.

00:43:48.160 There are no longer thousands of people marching over the border anymore.

00:43:51.940 But what about the legal ports of entry?

00:43:55.480 The Border Patrol has nothing to do with the legal ports of entry.

00:43:58.440 Those are controlled by police authorities, Customs Police, and others.

00:44:02.840 And I said, well, what's the problem with the legal ports of entry?

00:44:07.280 Well, most of the drugs and a lot of the human trafficking comes through the legal ports.

00:44:13.040 I said, well, how does that happen?

00:44:15.240 They said, well, if somebody comes up to you and you make normally $3,000 or $4,000 a month,

00:44:20.720 and they say, here's $20,000, let us through.

00:44:25.220 You get through.

00:44:27.220 And that's part of the problem on the border.

00:44:30.500 So I said, well, what do you think needs to happen?

00:44:32.440 And people told me privately, you need to get the U.S. Army on the border.

00:44:36.620 Bring back the regular army and then rotate them.

00:44:39.120 And the army's not on the border.

00:44:40.300 No, they just sent a brigade, and that's fine.

00:44:43.420 But we have, I think, six or seven of these brigades of motorized infantry,

00:44:47.380 these light armored vehicles, put them on the border.

00:44:50.480 We need 40, 50, 60,000 troops down there.

00:44:53.480 We need some aviation brigades down there.

00:44:55.820 Now, they don't all have to stay there forever,

00:44:58.000 but they need to stay there until the barriers are built and the border is secure.

00:45:01.740 And then we need to come up with a system where we periodically rotate units down there

00:45:06.740 to back up the police, back up the border patrol.

00:45:10.440 Why?

00:45:11.300 Because the cartels are infinitely better armed than the police and the border patrol.

00:45:16.700 They have javelin missile systems.

00:45:18.820 Yes, yes.

00:45:21.120 They've got unmanned systems for ISR, for intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance.

00:45:26.420 They've got armed unmanned systems.

00:45:28.520 And the thing that nobody seems to understand is what happens when we finally stop it.

00:45:35.340 You stop the drugs.

00:45:36.960 You stop the human trafficking along the border.

00:45:39.220 Now, they're going to try and go around you.

00:45:41.020 They'll try to use the coastal waters.

00:45:43.380 And I think the Coast Guard belongs in the United States, not in the South China Sea,

00:45:48.360 not in the Persian Gulf.

00:45:49.860 They belong here, and they're not. 0.99

00:45:52.100 They need to bring them back and get them.

00:45:54.380 We have the Coast Guard and the Persian Gulf?

00:45:55.780 Yes, yes, absolutely.

00:45:58.700 We've got to get them back into the Coast Guard.

00:46:00.040 Whose coast are we guarding?

00:46:01.180 Well, not ours.

00:46:02.740 Let's be frank.

00:46:03.520 That's the problem.

00:46:05.080 And they're going to try and find other ways.

00:46:06.820 They will fly people up to North America. 0.89

00:46:09.260 You know Michael Jan.

00:46:10.160 He studied all of this.

00:46:11.500 I know him well, yeah.

00:46:12.020 He's done great work down there at all these camps.

00:46:14.720 The American federal government has actually helped to fund these non-governmental organizations

00:46:21.000 in order to sponsor millions of people to invade our country and give them phones. 0.69

00:46:26.760 You know the routine.

00:46:27.840 I do.

00:46:28.440 They're still there.

00:46:29.420 Those camps are still there.

00:46:31.540 Somebody needs to go down and torch those things.

00:46:33.940 In other words, it needs to be scorched earth down there.

00:46:36.260 Get rid of this.

00:46:38.160 And you have to put the army on the border to ensure that these barriers are built

00:46:41.940 and you have truly a secure border.

00:46:43.800 You need the Coast Guard at sea for the same purpose.

00:46:45.860 Now, once that's done, you can ratchet back.

00:46:49.320 However, what happens when the money stops?

00:46:53.440 You're in the cartels.

00:46:55.280 You make billions of dollars every year.

00:46:58.960 Truckloads of, you know, $800,000 in greenbacks go across the border from north to south.

00:47:05.420 What happens when that stops?

00:47:08.100 We'll be at war, Tucker.

00:47:10.640 We'll be at war.

00:47:11.720 These people aren't going to go gently into the night. 0.99

00:47:14.960 We're cutting them off.

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00:47:19.780 They wanted freedom from oppressors who forced them to buy overpriced tea,

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00:48:59.980 When the PRI lost, the party that ruled Mexico from the revolution up until Vicente Fox, they had deals with, you know, they had sort of had a stasis.

00:49:13.800 And the second that arrangement collapsed, the country fell in.

00:49:22.140 I mean, they had a more reform-minded government, but the country fell into basically a civil war that it's been in ever since.

00:49:28.980 Right?

00:49:29.580 I mean, the cartels are—and now they run the country.

00:49:32.800 They run the country, yeah.

00:49:35.140 And, of course, we have the problem with arguably 50 million illegals inside the United States. 0.92

00:49:41.320 30 million is what most of the people watching the borders and watching the camps down in Darien in Panama say have come into the country.

00:49:50.100 And we want to deport these people.

00:49:53.020 And absolutely, we need to.

00:49:54.640 It will help us enormously.

00:49:56.600 I mean, how are we paying for their health care?

00:49:59.020 How are we paying for all the things that they want and need?

00:50:02.560 Well, we're printing money.

00:50:05.200 You know, this is a burden on our society, not a benefit.

00:50:08.140 Everybody says, well, that's not true.

00:50:09.660 Their immigrants are a benefit.

00:50:11.560 Legal immigrants can be a benefit.

00:50:14.140 Not these people.

00:50:15.340 They're not a benefit.

00:50:16.420 And they need to go.

00:50:18.180 Well, how do you do that?

00:50:19.960 And historically, when Herbert Hoover directed the removal of 9 million Mexicans after the stock market crash to open up jobs for Americans.

00:50:31.220 Remember, Americans won't do those jobs. 1.00

00:50:33.500 Guess what?

00:50:34.820 When there was no work, they were going to do all of those jobs.

00:50:37.900 And he said, I've got to get these people out before Americans take shots at them because they want their jobs.

00:50:44.040 Okay, he moved 9 million out.

00:50:46.580 FDR moved 3.5 million.

00:50:48.500 Truman moved out over 2 million.

00:50:50.500 Eisenhower moved out another 1.5.

00:50:52.680 How did this happen?

00:50:54.640 Put the Army in charge.

00:50:56.680 United States Army.

00:50:58.640 Supplemented by the police and the National Guard.

00:51:01.240 And they organized it and executed it.

00:51:03.940 We've got to do that.

00:51:05.000 How many of those people are sleeper cells for various terrorist organizations around the world that want to do us harm?

00:51:13.280 Well, I'm sure Tulsi Gabbard can come on here and talk about it.

00:51:17.560 She knows more about it than probably any of us at this point.

00:51:20.540 But I don't know how many, but I know there are a lot.

00:51:24.340 And we should be very concerned about that.

00:51:27.160 And I don't see anybody expressing that concern anywhere.

00:51:31.280 Which is one of the reasons I went down there with some really great people to show me around and explain these things.

00:51:37.800 Now, I want everybody to understand the people that you've got on the border, with very few exceptions, are trying very hard to do the right thing.

00:51:44.700 All these sheriffs are.

00:51:46.400 But they all admit privately that the problem is bigger than they are.

00:51:50.560 And that's why the federal government has to have a role.

00:51:52.820 The federal government also has to have a zone where it can operate.

00:51:55.460 You need at least a mile, mile and a half, two miles into the United States where you can take over and arrest people that get through. 0.95

00:52:05.000 Right now, you know, we have this big problem with you get into the United States and everything changes.

00:52:10.480 That's got to stop.

00:52:13.680 Excuse me.

00:52:14.400 All of these things are far more important than what is happening today in the Middle East.

00:52:20.560 When I say far more important, I'm saying for us as Americans.

00:52:24.600 I'm not saying that what happens in Gaza is irrelevant.

00:52:27.300 It isn't.

00:52:28.580 It's terrible.

00:52:29.800 What's happening on the West Bank is terrible.

00:52:32.420 We should be doing everything in our power to stop this mass murder.

00:52:36.360 The American people don't see it.

00:52:37.520 They don't hear about it.

00:52:38.440 They don't even hear about what happens to Christians all over the Middle East that are being killed.

00:52:44.780 I mean, the photographs that come to me in a steady stream from people over there are frightening.

00:52:48.960 They're murdering Alawites. 1.00

00:52:50.720 They're murdering Orthodox Christians. 1.00

00:52:52.740 They're murdering Roman Catholics in Syria.

00:52:55.660 You know, we helped to create this chaos in Syria. 1.00

00:52:58.660 So did Netanyahu.

00:53:01.020 At some point, our friend Erdogan needs to come down and restore some measure of order.

00:53:06.160 I think that's inevitable.

00:53:07.400 Somebody's got to take control of that place and run it.

00:53:10.300 It's not going to run itself.

00:53:12.560 But these things are not our things.

00:53:15.620 Does that make sense?

00:53:16.960 Of course it does.

00:53:17.820 Of course it does.

00:53:18.800 No, our priorities have been hijacked by other countries.

00:53:23.800 And it's distressing because it does seem like the problems that we face now, you know, will determine whether the United States, you know, remains.

00:53:35.980 Makes it.

00:53:36.680 Makes it.

00:53:37.120 Thank you.

00:53:37.900 Nicely put.

00:53:39.800 Makes it.

00:53:40.680 So just to bottom line it on a couple of issues.

00:53:42.840 Do you, how would you rate the likelihood?

00:53:46.220 I mean, it does seem like the president having run on the promise of peace in Eastern Europe and inserted himself right into the middle of it, being the only person who can bring peace.

00:53:56.500 You know, he kind of, you know, he kind of has to see this through and likely will.

00:54:01.840 Do you, how hard will it be to get some sort of settlement between Ukraine and Russia?

00:54:06.980 Well, he has to keep something in mind.

00:54:09.200 And you cannot turn around after the American government and all of its agencies have worked tirelessly to kill, maim, murder, harm as many Russians as possible.

00:54:23.520 Including Putin himself. 0.89

00:54:24.560 Yeah.

00:54:25.020 Over the last, what, three and a half years.

00:54:26.860 So we have to understand that.

00:54:28.600 You just can't, you can't just flip the switch and say, sorry, we want to be friends now.

00:54:35.320 However much you may want to do that, you can't.

00:54:38.660 You've got to admit this is a catastrophe and we are mightily responsible.

00:54:43.640 And that's why I would urge the president to do exactly what I said.

00:54:48.320 End all aid to Ukraine.

00:54:49.880 Stop pretending that that government and anything we've done in that country is a positive thing.

00:54:55.120 It's not.

00:54:56.200 Has nothing to do with liberal democracy.

00:54:58.740 Has nothing to do with goodness in any form.

00:55:02.320 What we've done there is terrible.

00:55:03.720 What we need to do is stop it.

00:55:06.600 So stop sending any aid and then get everybody out.

00:55:10.640 Everybody.

00:55:11.500 And then offer to host a conference between, and I would not argue everybody in Europe, but I would certainly argue, all of the states that border Russia.

00:55:22.100 And Germany.

00:55:23.320 Because Germany may not border Russia, but Germany has long-term strategic interests in Russia as Russia has in Germany.

00:55:29.860 They should all meet in a conference room and agree to a new map with new borders.

00:55:37.080 We don't need to draw those.

00:55:38.920 They need to draw those. 0.98

00:55:40.540 And Europeans can do that.

00:55:41.920 They have been around forever.

00:55:43.740 How many times have European borders changed in the last thousand years?

00:55:46.800 They've redrawn some maps over time.

00:55:48.760 I can't even keep up.

00:55:50.060 Of course.

00:55:51.300 I mean, try to find, like, the map of what's now called Ukraine.

00:55:58.620 How many iterations in the past?

00:56:00.860 Just hundred years.

00:56:02.060 Too many.

00:56:02.520 Too many do you even count.

00:56:03.960 You can't even keep up.

00:56:04.920 Yeah.

00:56:05.380 Right.

00:56:05.560 And stop this nonsense about, oh, you can't trust the Russians.

00:56:09.080 They're going to, they'll take advantage of them.

00:56:11.360 Come on.

00:56:11.780 This is nonsense.

00:56:13.140 They've lost 100, 120,000 human lives.

00:56:17.040 You really think they want to continue?

00:56:19.240 There's no interest in that at all.

00:56:21.520 And, you know, what's really distinguished President Putin from all of his predecessors, I would argue, is his concern for the lives of Russian soldiers.

00:56:31.500 None of his predecessors were ever that concerned about how many lives they lost.

00:56:37.860 You go back to the First World War, and Nicholas II was a good man, but he was willing to accept tremendous losses if he thought he was going to pave the road to victory with Russian dead. 0.84

00:56:50.420 That's not Putin.

00:56:51.600 That's not what he wants.

00:56:52.720 Lavrov doesn't want it.

00:56:54.020 The general staff doesn't want it.

00:56:55.800 The population doesn't want it.

00:56:57.380 So we need to stop that nonsense.

00:56:58.800 And that's about as much as we can do.

00:57:02.260 We're not going to overnight cultivate new friendship with them.

00:57:06.860 It's going to take at least a decade, probably two decades, to restore some sort of normalcy to our relationship.

00:57:13.180 Mineral deal in Ukraine, wise? 0.97

00:57:14.620 I don't understand what this is.

00:57:17.340 I've looked at, I'm interested in rare earths, okay?

00:57:20.280 Yeah.

00:57:20.580 And I've done some work in that area.

00:57:22.100 And rare earths can be found anywhere on the planet.

00:57:26.460 However, not in high concentrations.

00:57:29.340 Right.

00:57:29.660 We just found the highest concentration of rare earths in Europe right off the coast of Norway.

00:57:35.200 I love the Norwegians.

00:57:36.480 I'm very happy for them. 0.78

00:57:37.860 Although they're a bit lunatic when it comes to understanding what's happening in Ukraine.

00:57:41.660 They have enough natural resources already in Norway. 0.93

00:57:43.880 It seems that they're overblast.

00:57:45.560 Yeah, but I mean, they have it, and that's good.

00:57:49.280 I don't know what he's talking about.

00:57:50.880 I don't know what the president is talking about in Ukraine, because all of those rare earths in any kind of concentration are in eastern Ukraine, under Russian feet right now, or in Crimea.

00:58:02.020 Well, so maybe that is kind of the point.

00:58:04.240 And, you know, look, if that's the case, pack up, get out, and at some point, let's do business with the Russians. 0.93

00:58:12.140 Because the Ukrainians are not going to have those concentrations.

00:58:14.400 So I'm aware, I knew, that's why I asked you the question, because I knew that.

00:58:18.340 And I'm, or I think I know that.

00:58:20.420 And so it makes me wonder, like, if Zelensky is, you know, now anxious to sign this deal, was anxious before to sign the deal, before his arrogance and bad advice got in the way.

00:58:29.200 Maybe what this really is, is a way to change U.S. policy and sort of have us try and force the Russians to withdraw from Crimea and eastern Ukraine, which, of course, is not going to happen.

00:58:44.880 Well, yeah, there's, how many, how many R's are there in fat chance?

00:58:50.960 That's not going to happen.

00:58:52.600 By the way, there are marvelous concentrations of rare earths in Canada.

00:58:56.740 You know, historically, we've been friends.

00:59:00.000 I mean, come on.

00:59:01.520 What are we doing over there with rare earths?

00:59:03.900 This is nuts.

00:59:05.440 Let's do business with the Canadians. 1.00

00:59:07.200 They've got rich deposits of rare earths.

00:59:09.240 We have some here in the United States.

00:59:11.060 And since we have the opportunity to talk about this a little bit, I'd like to help out my friends in southern Kentucky, because you have coal seams in southern Kentucky, finest coal in the world, by the way.

00:59:21.920 Very high BTUs, very low phosphorus, burns clean, very hot.

00:59:27.200 And in the coal seams, there are rare earths in abundance.

00:59:30.460 And in all the old slag heaps and all the containment pools from many, many decades of mining, there are rare earths.

00:59:40.920 So Kentucky, southern Kentucky, should be a boom economy in the future.

00:59:46.680 Yes.

00:59:46.860 If anybody has any brains, go down there and start mining for rare earths.

00:59:52.020 You don't even have to dig it up. 0.59

00:59:53.780 It's in the slag heaps and in the pools.

00:59:57.760 Amazing.

00:59:58.360 Yeah, now, we don't have a refinery.

01:00:00.960 I don't know if we have a refinery here in the United States.

01:00:03.700 The biggest refineries that do the best job are in Kazakhstan, outer Mongolia, and in China, inner Mongolia.

01:00:13.160 So we ship this stuff over there.

01:00:16.300 Wouldn't it make sense to pass a bill and build refineries so we refine our own rare earths here inside the United States?

01:00:25.380 I mean, this is the sort of thing President Trump talks about all the time.

01:00:28.820 And he's absolutely dead right.

01:00:31.500 That's what we should be doing.

01:00:33.160 Forget this business in Ukraine. 1.00

01:00:35.200 It's a waste of time.

01:00:36.420 We don't need to do that.

01:00:37.800 We need to search for opportunities right under our noses right now in this hemisphere.

01:00:43.480 This is where we live.

01:00:45.140 You might as well do it here.

01:00:46.480 A lot's going to need to change.

01:00:51.480 Oh, and he's – listen, he's done so many good things with his executive orders here at home.

01:00:56.820 Now, I don't know about the depth of planning.

01:00:59.360 I don't know about the strategy.

01:01:00.860 It'll take time to see what's there.

01:01:03.400 But he's set the forces in motion in the right direction.

01:01:07.840 All of that, all of that could be lost by bad decisions in the Middle East or Eastern Europe.

01:01:14.160 Do you know – I mean, I know the head of CENTCOM, I think, is very anxious to have new wars in the Middle East.

01:01:22.720 Who is the CENTCOM commander right now?

01:01:25.020 Carrilla, I think.

01:01:26.000 Oh, no.

01:01:27.180 Really?

01:01:28.160 You have that impression?

01:01:29.540 I do.

01:01:29.940 Well, then it's time to ask for his papers and send him on his way.

01:01:38.900 We don't – it's like saying, I think it's a great time to contract syphilis.

01:01:43.660 Let's go get it. 0.99

01:01:45.400 You know, to hell with that.

01:01:47.680 Do you think at the Pentagon – you no longer work at the Pentagon – but if you were to, you know, spend a week there talking to people off the record, like, what would be the level of support for new wars?

01:01:57.820 Well, first of all, remember that your general officer corps is different from the rest of the officer corps.

01:02:04.980 Of course.

01:02:05.880 Now, that doesn't mean there aren't lots of full colonels out there who are desperate to be generals.

01:02:10.040 And so they'll try to provide you with the answer they think is most likely to get them promoted.

01:02:15.840 Right.

01:02:15.980 But when you go into the general officer corps at the three- and four-star level, they have been conditioned for decades to look for trouble, literally.

01:02:27.360 In other words, go out and find a reason why we need central command.

01:02:32.200 Right.

01:02:32.380 We need Africa command. 0.99

01:02:34.040 We need European command.

01:02:36.060 We need Pacific command.

01:02:37.180 Now we call it Indo-Pacific.

01:02:39.500 Insane.

01:02:40.460 When I was sitting over at the National Defense University before I retired, they came over and said, well, we're going to have Africa command.

01:02:50.400 And I looked at – and Abizade at the time was the J5. 1.00

01:02:53.340 I said, why?

01:02:54.060 I mean, how would you feel if you're an African?

01:02:58.260 Well, the United States military has now created a command and calls it Africa command.

01:03:03.620 How's that good for Africa? 1.00

01:03:06.360 Are you planning on invading, you know?

01:03:09.360 I mean, having been to Africa, the last thing Africans need is a column of U.S. or British or French troops marching through the neighborhood.

01:03:18.500 It's a disaster. 0.94

01:03:19.740 They have enough violence and problems there.

01:03:21.920 We don't need to add to it.

01:03:22.860 I think President Trump wants to get rid of Africa command.

01:03:26.640 We don't need most of these.

01:03:28.240 We should have four.

01:03:29.560 We should have Northern command, Pacific command, Southern command, and Atlantic command.

01:03:35.460 That's it.

01:03:36.900 You know why?

01:03:37.840 Because that's all we need.

01:03:40.640 You know why we have all these commands?

01:03:42.520 This all emerged as a result of the Second World War.

01:03:45.460 Because you needed layered commands over distance to communicate.

01:03:49.900 Right.

01:03:50.180 I mean, if you take a drive out to Kansas, one of my favorite states, and I was stationed at both Leavenworth and Fort Riley.

01:03:57.220 Why is Fort Riley where it is from Fort Leavenworth?

01:04:02.600 Because it takes exactly one day on horseback to ride from Fort Leavenworth to Fort Riley.

01:04:08.920 And that was important 130, 140 years ago because you had Arapahoes and Comanches and other people who could interfere with you.

01:04:17.880 So you had to be able to get somewhere to reinforce or support someone else.

01:04:22.860 That's gone.

01:04:24.020 We don't have to do that now.

01:04:25.620 You can have instantaneous communications almost anywhere in the world if you want it immediately.

01:04:30.800 You can have visibility of everything thanks to the satellite arrays that we have of everything.

01:04:36.760 You don't have to have commands for every region in the world.

01:04:40.300 And we don't have to strive for global military hegemony.

01:04:44.980 What we need to do is be resolute in the defense of our country here in the Western Hemisphere.

01:04:51.320 So those four commands make sense.

01:04:54.400 They make sense because we are also primarily a maritime and an aerospace power.

01:04:59.520 We're not a land power except in the United States.

01:05:03.160 And that's why the United States Army for over 100 years was always on the Mexican border because that's where the hotspots were.

01:05:11.380 We forget that Mexico was the one that the Germans approached in 1917 as a potential ally against us.

01:05:19.220 And the Mexicans were only too happy. 0.97

01:05:20.640 After they left, you got the communists and they moved into Mexico.

01:05:26.280 And the Mexicans were very pro-communists all up through the Second World War and beyond.

01:05:31.920 The largest KGB operation in North America was in Mexico.

01:05:36.380 Of course, Oswald went there.

01:05:37.680 Leon Trotsky lived in Mexico City.

01:05:40.260 And, of course, our friend Castro and Che Guevara.

01:05:44.180 Che was always special to me.

01:05:45.420 He's a Bosque. 1.00

01:05:46.340 But that's another story.

01:05:47.320 Anyway, the point is, you know, good Lord, what are we doing?

01:05:52.500 We should be concerned about Mexico. 1.00

01:05:55.640 It's a permanent issue for us.

01:05:58.120 It's as important to us as Ukraine is to Russia.

01:06:02.760 Exactly.

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01:08:04.380 So let me ask you a last question in an area that I know you know a lot about, Germany.

01:08:15.200 Yeah.

01:08:15.520 So I thought you were going to be the ambassador of Germany.

01:08:19.520 I think you should have been.

01:08:20.460 I know.

01:08:20.920 Sorry.

01:08:21.380 Back to ours with fat chance.

01:08:23.860 Sorry to bring up a sore subject.

01:08:26.120 But the reason that Germany matters, I mean, there are many reasons it matters, but it is basically it's Europe.

01:08:31.200 And without Germany, it's kind of hard to be Europe, except as like some sad museum. 0.91

01:08:35.460 It's the only really living part of Europe.

01:08:37.500 And it seems to be dying.

01:08:39.740 What happens to Germany? 0.89

01:08:42.900 That's going to depend a great deal on the emergence of real leadership in Germany that is clear-eyed and focused on what's important to Germany.

01:08:51.700 I think the last time they had that kind of capable leadership was really with Bismarck. 0.86

01:08:58.180 I think Wilhelm I was a good man, but he wasn't strong enough to resist the dumb ideas that came his way. 0.69

01:09:06.020 And Hitler obviously overreached and destroyed everything, put everything at risk. 0.90

01:09:10.720 I don't see any evidence that the Germans are interested in overreaching or conquering anybody.

01:09:15.840 But they do have an interest in restoring their productivity, their scientific industrial base.

01:09:20.920 Because they've thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

01:09:24.380 You know, when I went to school over there, and I went to a good school, and I was at a good school in the United States.

01:09:29.740 I was at the oldest Quaker private school in the United States, founded in 1681, the same year that my maternal ancestors arrived in the United States.

01:09:39.260 And I was sent there because my maternal ancestors were all Quakers, and many of them had gone through all these friends' school systems.

01:09:45.700 They were very good.

01:09:46.220 And I went from that school for one year to Germany, to Braunschweig in northern central Germany.

01:09:54.480 We call it Brunswick in English, Braunschweig.

01:09:59.200 And I went back to see the school in 2015.

01:10:02.720 And I saw it in 2011 briefly, and then again in 2015.

01:10:06.200 And it was all male. 0.52

01:10:07.120 Well, and when I got into the 11th grade, they were studying differential calculus and preparing to move into integral calculus.

01:10:16.060 Well, that was a bit advanced for me.

01:10:19.300 You know, I'd gone through algebra and trigonometry and so forth.

01:10:22.760 But differential and integral calculus in the 11th grade, this was a real problem.

01:10:28.320 And I struggled mightily.

01:10:29.780 And this was a school with 13 grades.

01:10:33.660 And by the time you finished, if you completed your abitur, you were qualified to go to any university in the country.

01:10:41.160 You were stamped.

01:10:42.800 You got the stamp of approval.

01:10:44.040 They did look at your performance on your final exams.

01:10:47.260 But this was very, very rigorous.

01:10:48.500 I mean, I was dealing with classmates who were on the humanities side.

01:10:51.660 I was stuck on the math-science side, which was the wrong place for me at the time.

01:10:56.700 But, you know, I survived.

01:10:58.400 Lots of beer.

01:10:59.580 Anyway, on the other side, they were studying Greek and Latin, along with French and English.

01:11:08.960 It was very rigorous.

01:11:10.700 This was a university-prep school because the Germans had a system where, at the 5th grade and the 9th grade,

01:11:17.240 people were separated and were sent off to what we would call trade schools.

01:11:23.860 You could learn to be a hotel manager.

01:11:26.000 You could learn to be any number of different trades or whatever skills were needed,

01:11:30.080 from electrician to plumber or something else.

01:11:32.280 Only about 15% went through this university prep system,

01:11:36.940 which was designed to send you to a university where you would go on to do great things.

01:11:42.120 So I got back there, and we were all male.

01:11:44.400 Well, and the first thing that I saw on the first day, I came in there,

01:11:48.720 and everybody was fairly nice to me.

01:11:50.540 They thought I was strange, and I thought they were strange, but, you know, whatever.

01:11:53.580 Germans were different, you know.

01:11:55.240 I said, geez, these Germans are very different. 1.00

01:11:58.140 And they gave me a seat, told me where to sit, and the instructor walked into the classroom.

01:12:04.180 And the instructor said,

01:12:05.460 Guten Morgen, meine Herrschaften!

01:12:07.120 And everybody stood up at attention.

01:12:09.380 He said, Guten Morgen, Herr Studienrat!

01:12:11.480 And he would say, bitte, meine Herr, setzen Sie sich!

01:12:15.980 And we all sat down.

01:12:17.440 Let me tell you, what happened after that was serious.

01:12:21.400 We sat down, and we focused nonstop for an hour, hour and 20 minutes,

01:12:27.420 on whatever the subject matter was.

01:12:30.460 And the instructor was very well trained, very well educated,

01:12:33.400 and he would turn around, and he would say to one of the students at the top of the class,

01:12:37.260 in the front row, I sort of sat in the back.

01:12:40.320 And this guy was the individual that recorded whatever was taught in the class that day.

01:12:47.520 And he would say, what did we discuss the last time?

01:12:50.460 And he would open the book, and he said,

01:12:51.760 the last time we discussed the following things.

01:12:54.740 And he said, exactly.

01:12:56.400 This time, we are going to do the following.

01:12:58.760 Let me tell you, it was one of the best educations I've ever gotten in my life.

01:13:02.200 But what really struck me was focus.

01:13:07.000 School was not about anything else other than infusing minds with understanding and knowledge.

01:13:15.740 It was very effective.

01:13:17.980 So when I went back in 2015, I looked around.

01:13:22.200 Suddenly, there were all these girls. 1.00

01:13:24.500 There were no women with us. 0.99

01:13:25.720 We were all male.

01:13:27.000 Suddenly, we have all these girls in the hallways. 1.00

01:13:29.060 And I peeked in, and I saw, and the teacher walked in and said,

01:13:32.740 okay, students, please take your seats, and we'll get going.

01:13:37.800 And I was shocked.

01:13:39.400 So I spoke to the man that ran the school.

01:13:41.220 I said, oh, we've adopted the American model. 0.66

01:13:45.980 We've done everything that you do in America now.

01:13:49.140 I said, you've lost your mind.

01:13:51.800 Just, like, lowered the standards dramatically?

01:13:53.700 What you had here worked.

01:13:56.040 It was brilliant.

01:13:56.940 And I was so grateful that I was exposed to it.

01:14:00.600 And you've ruined it.

01:14:02.280 Of course, they said, well, this man's a Neanderthal. 1.00

01:14:04.820 He's an idiot. 1.00

01:14:05.700 He doesn't understand what he's talking about. 1.00

01:14:09.320 Germany has to get back to basics. 0.80

01:14:12.340 Go back to being German. 1.00

01:14:14.340 Stop apologizing for being German. 1.00

01:14:16.960 Do what Germans do best.

01:14:18.480 I'm not saying Germans are perfect.

01:14:20.520 But every nationality in Europe has a certain area of expertise, a certain specialty that they do very, very well.

01:14:29.960 The Germans need to get back to that. 1.00

01:14:32.180 And stop apologizing for events that happened long before any of these people were born.

01:14:36.680 That doesn't mean that you're denying something that happened.

01:14:40.800 Absolutely not.

01:14:42.460 No one denies anything in Germany.

01:14:45.040 In fact, you know, when they started showing these Nazi symbols in Ukraine, people in Germany were horrified.

01:14:52.740 Saying, my God, what is going on in that country?

01:14:56.180 And they should have been horrified.

01:14:57.940 We should have been horrified.

01:14:59.940 And we weren't.

01:15:01.500 We subsidized it.

01:15:02.680 We pushed it.

01:15:03.820 Well, some Nazis are okay as long as, you know, they're doing the bidding of the CIA and the Biden administration. 0.73

01:15:11.020 You know, as long as Toria Nuland thinks they're okay, they're okay.

01:15:14.480 Yeah, well, I don't subscribe to that view.

01:15:17.400 I'm pretty anti-Nazi across the board.

01:15:20.000 Yeah.

01:15:20.700 And there's so many good things about Germany that that's the last thing in the world you want to resurrect.

01:15:25.640 And I think that will happen.

01:15:27.800 But it's not going to happen under Mats.

01:15:30.540 He's another semi-globalist with connections to BlackRock and others.

01:15:35.020 He's going to stagger forward, and eventually the Germans will get rid of him. 0.99

01:15:38.920 And eventually, I think the AFD will come to power.

01:15:43.080 In fact, they've done the AFD a great favor by refusing to cooperate with them.

01:15:47.960 Because that will draw more people into the AFD so that when they do get power, they will have an ironclad majority. 0.76

01:15:55.280 And they can do the things that are needed to save Germany.

01:16:00.620 So you don't think Germany's dead? 0.93

01:16:02.520 Absolutely not.

01:16:03.780 No one in Europe is dead.

01:16:06.000 Nobody in Europe is dead.

01:16:07.920 But they have to—

01:16:09.000 Even the Brits?

01:16:09.720 No, absolutely.

01:16:10.800 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:16:11.400 They're so degraded.

01:16:13.040 It just breaks my heart.

01:16:14.160 You know, listen, I think if you spend time over there, I think you'll find there's a lot left.

01:16:21.840 I do talk to people on the phone.

01:16:23.600 I have done some podcasts with Englishmen and Scotsmen and so forth. 0.87

01:16:27.660 But they have been through this systematic brainwashing to be turned into self-loathing Europeans. 0.93

01:16:36.020 Yes.

01:16:36.820 You know, apologizing for things they never did and that they shouldn't apologize for.

01:16:40.960 I agree.

01:16:41.860 You know, I mean, this is just crazy.

01:16:43.680 It's like saying, you're evil.

01:16:45.380 You were in the second cavalry, McGregor.

01:16:47.260 And you know what they did to the Indians?

01:16:49.280 Come on.

01:16:50.160 I wasn't there.

01:16:51.140 You know, and I'm sure it was terrible, and I'm sorry we did that, and it's regrettable.

01:16:57.420 But I wasn't there, and I'm not going to compensate anybody for anything.

01:17:02.380 You know, my grandfather used to say, none of us is responsible for the people our parents slept with.

01:17:07.760 That's exactly right.

01:17:09.100 To hell with that.

01:17:10.160 No, we don't believe in collective punishment here in the Christian West.

01:17:14.120 Doug McGregor, thank you for your bracing but very insightful analysis.

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