The Tucker Carlson Show - Buckley Carlson： Writing Trump’s Speeches, Trump’s Shocking Texts to MTG, and the Epstein Cover-up

00:00:00.000 For at least 10 years now, hating Trump has been the surest possible indication of liberalism.

00:00:11.420 If you really hate Donald Trump, probably filled with hate for the United States, probably 0.98

00:00:17.520 hate whites, probably anxious to give kids the COVID vax and castrate boys and put non-binary 0.99

00:00:27.020 people on the swim team or whatever. But there was a pretty much for about a decade, a one to 0.97

00:00:31.740 one correlation between disliking Donald Trump, hating Donald Trump, Trump derangement syndrome

00:00:37.440 and liberalism or it's sort of a weird American manifestation. But now we're in a weird moment

00:00:42.980 and even stranger moment where a lot of people who really like Trump are very disappointed in

00:00:49.060 Trump. In fact, more than disappointed, feel betrayed or enraged, feel like suckers, feel 0.68

00:00:54.320 like they've been taken for a ride. How could I possibly have supported that given what it became?

00:00:59.320 A lot of people seem to feel that way. But do a lot of people seem to feel that way? Do they

00:01:05.720 actually feel that way? According to polls on CNN, 100% of MAGA voters still support Trump.

00:01:14.760 Is that real? Well, it's really hard to know given how fraudulent so much polling is.

00:01:19.820 So we thought we would speak to the one person we know who sincerely supported Trump from the very beginning, wrote speeches for Trump in 2015, voted for Trump three times, knew people within the Trump White House, worked with the Trump White House.

00:01:38.340 And all along that period, 10 years, supported Trump in public, not on television, which

00:01:45.700 is easy, but in his own neighborhood, which was 100% Trump haters.

00:01:50.400 That person is my brother, it turns out, Buckley Carlson, Uncle Buck, as he's known to us.

00:01:55.520 And so we thought we would sit down and ask him, are we imagining this?

00:01:58.760 Did the guy you supported from 2015 in the face of social sanction like you wouldn't

00:02:04.860 believe, did that guy just betray everything you believe and the reasons you supported him

00:02:12.960 in the first place? Are we imagining this? Is it real? Here's the conversation we had with Uncle

00:02:19.040 Buck. You were the first person I knew personally who supported Donald Trump. And I remember

00:02:25.600 thinking later when I thought about it, I was like, you're a lifelong resident, 40-year resident

00:02:32.000 of Washington, D.C., which voted for Trump in 2016 at 4.1 percent. So you were in the 4 percent

00:02:40.760 of district residents who supported Trump, and you're a WASP, and that's the group that hated 0.95

00:02:46.680 Trump most. How did you wind up supporting Trump in like 2015? The departure, Trump represented a

00:02:57.240 departure that I had never seen in Washington.

00:02:59.680 He was, first I should say,

00:03:01.220 I knew him my entire life as anybody

00:03:03.320 who grew up in the 80s did. Right.

00:03:05.260 Because he was such a, I didn't know him personally,

00:03:07.060 I know you did, but I knew of him

00:03:09.380 as everybody around us did

00:03:11.180 because he was such

00:03:12.600 a carnival barker

00:03:15.160 of self-promotion,

00:03:17.860 gold dip

00:03:18.900 braggadocio,

00:03:20.560 lying.

00:03:23.280 I mean, he was a performer. Yeah.

00:03:24.820 And he was the creator of his own

00:03:27.220 story which on the one hand was disgusting because he was a man of obvious uh faults i mean he was 0.97

00:03:34.820 gross and loud and brash and crude and a serial adulterer and all the things that you probably 0.95

00:03:42.580 wouldn't want to be and certainly wouldn't want your children to be well that's why the wasp 0.97

00:03:46.340 didn't like him because he bragged about himself yes which is like you know rule one you can't do

00:03:50.580 that that's why my children didn't like you know it's like very much so yeah so that was a massive

00:03:55.620 hurdle and i mean they already had a candidate called jeb bush i was aware i was compelled

00:04:00.380 actually for the first time ever by some of my clients to actually contribute to jeb bush

00:04:04.300 but he was the consensus choice of his people i mean he converted to catholicism but no one

00:04:10.500 really took that seriously he was a birthright episcopalian like everyone knew this is our guy

00:04:14.940 it was his time it was yes he was the adult in the room i remember early on actually he raised

00:04:21.280 a hundred million dollars famously, obviously, and he was just the guy that was going to take us.

00:04:25.560 But did you even know anyone who didn't support him?

00:04:28.020 I didn't know a single person who didn't support him. No. But he had his domestic policy,

00:04:34.240 his foreign policy, everything about him, nothing about him was exciting. All of it was poll tested

00:04:38.780 as everything in Washington had been up until the moment Trump came on the scene.

00:04:42.960 And Trump was very, if not articulate, he had baseline messages that were unassailable and that he repeated with great repetition.

00:04:56.260 And the things that he espoused and talked about endlessly were things that I believed in and things that most Americans, when they actually took the time to separate Trump's policies from Trump the man, were super attractive.

00:05:09.600 And it was such a departure from what we'd seen from every other elected official, especially, obviously, it was the end of the Obama years, which were such a disappointment, but also the destruction of weak, poll-tested, you know, very well-packaged candidates like, who's that forgettable Utah Senator Mitt Romney?

00:05:34.620 Oh, yeah.

00:05:35.080 Mitt Romney.

00:05:35.700 Mitt Romney.

00:05:36.200 And, of course, so Trump talked about actually focusing on America, repairing the problems that this entire class of people had brought upon us, the American citizens.

00:05:47.960 But you were in that class of people, and you literally worked for a polling, the most famous polling company, and you were in politics, and you live in northwest Washington, D.C., and, like, basically Trump is calling for the destruction of your world.

00:06:01.740 I didn't see it that way because I think these people had already destroyed our world and I'd seen it up close and personally, not only in the education system, but in the environment around me.

00:06:09.940 We lived in a much dirtier country.

00:06:12.080 We lived in a country that wouldn't even embrace any of the things that were great about America that I had grown up embracing. 0.98

00:06:18.160 Not just freedom, not just individuality, but cleanliness and Christian principles.

00:06:23.680 And we had such a wonderful country when I was growing up, and it had been transformed.

00:06:31.860 You could see it in Washington probably better than you could see it even in border states, the disconnect between what people had voted for, what people wanted, what they continually expressed that they wanted from their Republican leaders.

00:06:48.340 And they were denied it every time.

00:06:50.420 And Trump came in and said, look, there's an end to that.

00:06:52.900 This is unacceptable.

00:06:53.680 well, we've failed over the past 30 years.

00:06:55.700 I've seen it up close and personal.

00:06:57.340 Aside from all of his obvious foibles 0.97

00:07:00.000 and his disgusting elements of his personality, 0.96

00:07:03.320 he was, it seemed, someone who had been steeped. 0.79

00:07:07.920 He built things.

00:07:09.240 And very few people built things

00:07:11.580 by the time Trump came along.

00:07:13.140 We were not a manufacturing society at that point.

00:07:15.960 And even if I didn't like his gilded name

00:07:17.920 on all sorts of properties,

00:07:18.980 he had employed a ton of people.

00:07:21.300 He had actually contributed to the economy.

00:07:24.940 He had been saying a lot of these financial, I wasn't really steeped in the financial world and didn't understand our trade policies.

00:07:31.500 But when Trump explained how beneficial it was to the rest of the world rather than America, our trade policies, I actually paid attention and read up and realized that he was telling the truth.

00:07:43.120 And then everything he said about the border, which you could see if you traveled around America, which I certainly did, the degradation of America was obscene.

00:07:53.700 And the destruction of things that I had held dear my entire life, and I think most Americans did, it was Trump represented a return to normalcy.

00:08:08.440 And then, of course, I was totally enamored of his personal strength and his ability to.

00:08:16.000 There's no one who has been more attacked than Donald Trump, obviously, over the last decade, but nothing more aggressively than when he first came down that escalator and announced for president.

00:08:24.380 Like he was attacked by absolutely everybody in the world, not just the left, not just the media, but as you said, everybody on the right took him as a joke.

00:08:33.260 It's like, actually, we're not electing individuals, we're electing the policies that they will defend and put forward when they're in office.

00:08:43.020 And Trump articulated a very small set of priorities that I really found attractive and did so with calm and repetitiveness that seemed legit and sincere, especially the more he was attacked, because he never bended.

00:08:59.520 And I'd never seen that in American politics, ever.

00:09:03.260 And you've been around it a lot.

00:09:04.820 Been around a lot.

00:09:05.480 And actually, you know, jumping forward a decade and Trump has expanded, had expanded the coalition so aggressively.

00:09:12.520 Back when he started, the ideas in the Republican Party about expanding the coalition were not harnessing the things that were great about America.

00:09:19.880 It was actually surrendering to, you know, speak Spanish if you want to appeal to new voters.

00:09:27.800 Don't talk about the cultural degradation of America because that will turn people off.

00:09:32.080 Well, Trump flipped that over, flipped that on its head completely and said, actually, there's a lot about America we should and will be defending.

00:09:40.020 And so that attracted me to him. I love that about him.

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00:10:35.460 When did you get involved?

00:10:38.200 The end of 2015, I got hooked up with people in Trump's orbit.

00:10:44.120 It was still a very embryonic campaign.

00:10:46.540 I mean, the entire campaign was mostly a media campaign,

00:10:49.120 even throughout the whole 16 effort.

00:10:51.360 But early on...

00:10:52.380 It never stopped being a media campaign.

00:10:53.400 It never stopped being a media campaign.

00:10:54.980 But there were a few, you know, a few people around him who were actually producing work.

00:11:01.860 So I got in touch with them or through, I got connected through a common friend of ours and ended up writing some early speeches for Trump and Stephen Miller.

00:11:13.560 I was corresponding with Stephen Miller and writing some early speeches for Trump.

00:11:17.100 That's crazy.

00:11:18.080 I didn't realize that at the time.

00:11:19.900 I don't think I took Trump seriously at all until the summer of 15, probably, when our friend Patrick Feeney in Maine told me that he was thinking about voting for Trump or Bernie Sanders.

00:11:37.300 They seemed very similar to him.

00:11:38.460 And I was like, I don't even know what you're talking about.

00:11:40.660 They're polar opposites.

00:11:42.540 And my brain started to change.

00:11:44.660 I started to see the obvious.

00:11:45.900 But you were already on it.

00:11:47.000 That's so interesting.

00:11:48.060 I mean, it's a lot to ask anybody to understand his own motives, but why do you think, at least

00:11:55.160 that you can analyze it, why do you think you living in a political world with a political

00:12:01.800 job, being from a group of people who hated Trump, living in a neighborhood that hated Trump,

00:12:06.520 why were you uniquely able to see the things that your neighbors couldn't, like the degradation of

00:12:12.400 America and connect that to the policies that produced it? And why could nobody else?

00:12:16.840 Maybe it was because I had actually worked in Washington for so long. I hadn't been born in Washington, but I moved there as a teenager and then had worked in politics, elected politics, and then corporate America, but very much adjacent to political world and worked with pollsters and people who message tested.

00:12:35.040 and I had worked closely

00:12:37.180 with the Republican coalition

00:12:38.420 when they got back in power

00:12:39.620 in 94.

00:12:41.740 And I saw to the extent

00:12:43.160 that people were phony.

00:12:45.500 There was a huge disconnect

00:12:46.920 between their personal lives

00:12:48.740 and how they voted

00:12:50.020 and how they campaigned. 0.85

00:12:51.560 And gay. 0.99

00:12:52.020 And gay. 1.00

00:12:53.040 Super gay. 0.99

00:12:54.620 And very much in our party, 0.96

00:12:55.760 which I was surprised by 0.86

00:12:56.680 because the left was always crazy 0.84

00:12:58.380 and they were always

00:12:59.220 sort of attracted,

00:13:00.200 these people.

00:13:00.920 At least they were open about it,

00:13:02.220 the Bernie Franks of the world,

00:13:03.260 at least race.

00:13:03.600 Yeah, yeah, no, totally.

00:13:05.040 their weird lifestyles but the republican party was completely um empty and i had also lived

00:13:12.080 through empty what do you mean they had no principles that they were willing to stand up

00:13:17.360 for and i had seen probably the starkest example was john mccain who i had grown up really

00:13:23.200 respecting was at a time in america when people actually celebrated war heroes i thought he was

00:13:28.080 a war hero at that time i subsequently learned differently but um it was when he attacked the

00:13:34.000 the tobacco industry early on when I was first working for corporate America in a big PR firm.

00:13:39.320 And he had led the charge against big tobacco and had been a grandstander and a phony. And I

00:13:46.480 had known him personally and really liked him as a person. I did too. I really liked him as a guy.

00:13:51.380 Yeah, I did. He was hilarious. He was hilarious. And physically tough, I thought. He was physically

00:13:56.340 tough. And he was also, sorry to say it out loud, he was a wasp and he had grown up and 0.76

00:14:00.460 he'd gone to Episcopal high school and he just had excellent manners he was funny in a way that 1.00

00:14:05.840 I could relate to he had a kind of heart to him a kind of physical courage that I of course you

00:14:12.660 know we grew up admiring that and uh I was completely taken in by his persona or so not

00:14:20.260 even the war stuff but um just to sort of I don't know his style I could I understood it immediately

00:14:26.800 and I liked it.

00:14:27.920 He was the guy,

00:14:28.460 he was totally approachable.

00:14:29.620 Yeah.

00:14:29.800 I remember early on

00:14:31.060 in my political career

00:14:32.900 that I would come across him

00:14:34.500 at fundraisers

00:14:35.180 and cocktail parties

00:14:36.040 and he's the guy

00:14:36.740 I would gravitate to

00:14:37.480 and stand next to the bar

00:14:38.440 and chat with

00:14:39.100 because he was so approachable

00:14:40.540 and funny.

00:14:41.600 So funny.

00:14:42.380 Yeah.

00:14:42.860 And he seemed,

00:14:44.320 that was representative

00:14:45.140 of a really different time.

00:14:46.420 I mean,

00:14:46.620 that was,

00:14:46.940 you know, 0.99

00:14:47.500 the Lindsey Grahams

00:14:48.200 of the world

00:14:48.540 walk around

00:14:49.080 with huge security details.

00:14:50.880 Oh, I know.

00:14:51.480 I wish someone

00:14:51.880 would explain that to me.

00:14:52.840 But John McCain didn't.

00:14:54.640 John McCain was

00:14:55.440 a man's man.

00:14:57.000 Exactly.

00:14:57.720 And he was, as I said, I thought, physically tough.

00:15:00.860 No, that is such a smart point.

00:15:04.080 Men did not have security details.

00:15:06.700 It's just a show of rank.

00:15:08.240 It's also a display of cowardice, honestly.

00:15:11.240 And McCain would never have a security detail

00:15:14.580 because culturally, we don't do that.

00:15:17.640 Plus, he seemed capable of beating him to death with his comb.

00:15:20.420 I mean, if he had to.

00:15:21.900 I totally agree.

00:15:23.380 I mean, all of this is lost on people now.

00:15:25.820 But no, I completely, a security detail?

00:15:29.140 What?

00:15:29.740 Who do you think you are?

00:15:30.680 It's absolutely shameful.

00:15:32.180 No, and he had a kind of, again, not to make it an ethnic thing, but it's a cultural thing.

00:15:36.900 He had like a kind of wasp egalitarianism to him.

00:15:39.740 That was completely real.

00:15:41.280 Like he would have a legit conversation with the waiter.

00:15:44.960 Yes.

00:15:45.380 Was not a rank guy.

00:15:46.880 Like these fraudulent, new money, insecure people.

00:15:49.940 He was like a real guy.

00:15:51.140 Yes.

00:15:51.540 Is that fair?

00:15:52.440 Very much so.

00:15:53.320 Plus hilarious in the sense of humor.

00:15:55.000 Hilarious, right.

00:15:55.440 It demonstrates, one, obviously, not only a high intellect, but a certain comfort with people.

00:16:00.200 And if you can talk to your constituents, or I wasn't really a constituent of his, but I was, you know, a 23-year-old, and I was an American.

00:16:08.020 And he made me feel like my opinion mattered, and he wasn't self-conscious.

00:16:13.600 He was not a big apologizer.

00:16:14.980 He didn't think about what he said.

00:16:16.760 Exactly.

00:16:17.380 And Trump was the same way.

00:16:18.640 Trump was like—

00:16:19.440 Wait, so go back to the McCain thing.

00:16:21.900 I knew McCain very, very—I mean, intimately well.

00:16:24.780 And—

00:16:25.440 and was, and really liked him, as I said, but the tobacco thing, tell me what, why that was

00:16:30.840 significant to you. Cause I agree with that. Well, tobacco represented, first of all, not only like

00:16:35.760 one of the biggest, um, commercial products that we have in America. I always thought it was sort

00:16:40.860 of entwined with American freedom. In history. 100%. We had all these tobacco producing states

00:16:47.640 all around DC, of course, but in the South. That was the point of the colony. 100%. Absolutely.

00:16:52.840 they fought. I mean, they threw the tobacco bales and the coffee bales, but tobacco as well.

00:16:58.640 Tobacco was a great American heritage product. And as a consumer who enjoyed tobacco, I always

00:17:06.220 sort of respected it. But it tied in also with a sense of personal responsibility,

00:17:12.160 which we never see now, is there was a, you know, you had the freedom to smoke. May it be bad for

00:17:17.060 you? Yes, I think every smoker knew it was probably bad for you. You have the obvious,

00:17:21.320 You cough, you get pneumonia every year, you smell bad, your teeth turn brown, whatever.

00:17:27.160 No one was surprised when the attorney general came out and said smoking's bad for you.

00:17:30.920 But the hypocrisy, first of all, the overreach of someone in the Republican Party, supposedly champion of free markets and freedom and personal freedom, would go after and grandstand about the tobacco companies and how they had lied about the addictive properties of tobacco.

00:17:49.460 when everybody knew they were addictive.

00:17:52.140 The majority of countries smoked at that time.

00:17:54.400 We had come from a smoking heritage.

00:17:58.040 And not only that, the majority of governments,

00:18:01.440 including state governments, were well invested in tobacco.

00:18:05.580 They had taken a lot of public employees' investment funds

00:18:10.760 and invested in Philip Morris and RJR and Brown and Williamson

00:18:15.360 and the other big ones.

00:18:17.220 I guess those are the ones. 0.98

00:18:18.120 Laurel Lard.

00:18:19.060 Lorillard, forgive me. So, American tobacco was intertwined with the American experience as far

00:18:25.440 as I understood it. And if you're going to go after, it's like going after the foundation of

00:18:29.840 your company on your country. It's wrong on so many levels. I agree. Such a kick in the crotch,

00:18:37.260 I think. And he did it in a grandstanding, fraudulent way. Yes, very much so. And also 0.99

00:18:43.320 did it at the last minute. And I can't remember, I think he was chairman of the Senate Finance

00:18:48.400 Committee. I'm not sure why they had purview

00:18:50.280 over it. And I worked

00:18:51.440 intricately in this

00:18:53.440 in defense of the tobacco companies at the

00:18:56.380 time when they came up with their

00:18:57.940 their huge settlement

00:19:02.120 which involved a lot of humiliation

00:19:04.460 for them. It was disgusting. 0.87

00:19:06.200 They paid for their own destruction 0.97

00:19:08.100 to the detriment of 0.94

00:19:10.460 individual Americans, but also to the detriment

00:19:12.420 of people who'd been

00:19:13.760 invested in tobacco. And to the enrichment of

00:19:16.360 the trial lawyers and

00:19:17.720 And like totally disgusting little 501c3s like campaign for tobacco-free kids, Michael Myers.

00:19:23.020 It's like the worst people in the world won.

00:19:25.540 Some of the best people lost.

00:19:28.600 And the people making the deals sold their own dignity.

00:19:32.900 And for what?

00:19:34.140 Did public health get better?

00:19:35.880 Did the life expectancy in this country rise?

00:19:37.800 No, it went down.

00:19:38.740 I think John Cole got a really big boat out of it.

00:19:41.100 And I think Dickie Scruggs also, you know, brother-in-law to Trent Lott at the time, who was the majority leader.

00:19:47.720 I mean, it seemed like a setup, and it was offensive, and it dominated political discourse for a couple of years.

00:19:55.400 And the country actually hasn't recovered from that.

00:19:58.500 I agree. I agree.

00:19:59.560 Did it make you quit smoking?

00:20:01.880 No, I probably actually went from a two-peck-a-day to three-peck-a-day smoker.

00:20:06.260 There were some benefits, actually, because Philip Morris and RJR would send—

00:20:11.020 it was right around the time, too, the RJR-Nabisco merger,

00:20:15.440 So they used to send these huge packages to our office wrapped in a big faux cream cheese case.

00:20:23.100 And you'd open it up and we'd have cartons of cigarettes and Nabisco crackers and all sorts of cookies and chocolates.

00:20:29.140 And the original non-smoking cigarette they had, too, which tasted terrible.

00:20:34.340 It was awful.

00:20:35.100 It was awful.

00:20:35.900 But it was a neat concept.

00:20:37.680 Where you heat the tobacco rather than burn it, right?

00:20:39.920 Yes.

00:20:41.000 You get your nicotine, but it was disgusting.

00:20:42.800 That was a Philip Morris?

00:20:44.600 I believe that was a Philip Morris product.

00:20:46.300 Yeah, they sent it to me.

00:20:47.720 And I remember smoking in my office thinking, who would smoke that?

00:20:51.160 Yeah.

00:20:52.160 No, it was like trying Brussels sprouts.

00:20:54.660 Each time I did it, I was like, I'm going to like this.

00:20:56.840 I don't want people to like it.

00:20:57.560 I never tried it.

00:20:58.260 No, it's repulsive.

00:21:00.580 But that was a huge sense of betrayal early on.

00:21:03.300 And then when he ran, I was wary of John McCain.

00:21:05.880 And then when he ran for president, got the nomination, he totally fumbled it.

00:21:12.820 And it seemed like it was an absolute surrender to this unknown, but obviously Marxist-based, anti-American candidate. 0.56

00:21:24.180 Anti-white. 0.99

00:21:24.820 Anti-white, anti-American candidate. 0.99

00:21:28.620 And that was not his to lose. 0.99

00:21:30.580 That was ours to lose.

00:21:32.080 And he did that on our behalf.

00:21:34.180 Do you think he threw the fight?

00:21:35.080 He refused to, I mean, on the heels of 9-11, he refused publicly and excoriated people for saying, pointing out Barack Obama's real name, Barack Hussein Obama, or Barry Sator, or talking about his early years in Indonesia, talking about his church that he went to in this anti-American, anti-white church, talking, refusing to talk about any of his heritage, which was obviously fabricated and dishonest.

00:22:02.840 It was the first time, I think, in American history that a presidential candidate was not only not vetted at all, but you were excluded from knowing anything about him of any relevance.

00:22:14.820 And John McCain, who was the standard bearer of the Republican Party at the time, had an obligation actually to be the top watchdog about his opponent.

00:22:23.660 That's your job.

00:22:24.600 Your job is to fight a battle, and he refused to fight it.

00:22:27.960 So I never forgive him for that.

00:22:30.940 That's such a smart point.

00:22:32.080 I was too close to it even to get that, but.

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00:24:21.880 Tucker.

00:24:22.140 um so then we have eight years of obama and it becomes pretty clear in the second term that like 0.54

00:24:29.280 he hates the country he's leading he really hates white people tons of whites voted for him um

00:24:35.780 tons of whites voted for him because he was saying we're going to get rid of 0.96

00:24:40.120 race consciousness in this country and treat people as citizens and human beings and we can

00:24:46.540 move past the division of the like disgusting civil rights movement uh thinking and which just

00:24:54.080 anti-white zero-sum and uh that grant park speech was like i didn't vote for him obviously but i 0.97

00:25:00.160 was like i hope this is true it turned out to be the opposite of the truth just like hated whites

00:25:04.340 and so by the time that ended in 2016 like it was a different country

00:25:12.200 i had never seen anybody be i mean it was a whole new time my son was young he was in

00:25:18.820 a private school at the time that embraced all of those anti-white messages separation i mean it was

00:25:24.840 literally the new they talked about jim crow while they're instituting jim crow in the educational

00:25:31.020 world and all throughout society and people in dc embraced it heavily people i had known

00:25:37.460 And all of a sudden, we came from a country that was happy, self-confident, really proud of America, suddenly questioning and apologizing for everything that had come before.

00:25:51.320 And obviously, Obama accelerated that to a degree that was disgusting.

00:25:55.740 But it also meant you could no longer have an informed discussion.

00:25:59.340 I remember I had been in Washington for 20 years at that point, and I had Democratic friends.

00:26:04.700 I had tons of Democratic friends.

00:26:06.280 You could have a normal conversation, a normal meal, and it was during the Obama years I noticed that you couldn't even have a conversation with these people.

00:26:13.700 They would just cut you off, get instantly angry, obviously born of some sort of cowardice on their part or regret, but they were so vicious against open discourse.

00:26:26.540 They couldn't defend their candidate, or in that case their president at that point, but they also couldn't discuss it, and they hated you for it.

00:26:32.940 They hated you for pointing out, if you just said simply, as I did to several Democrats, I'm not attacking Obama.

00:26:39.660 Just tell me why you support this man as our president.

00:26:42.320 Tell me what he's doing to strengthen our country.

00:26:46.300 And they would look blank or angry.

00:26:49.840 And that was pervasive, I think, on the left.

00:26:52.280 so then trump starts making noises about running in 2015 and it's not even on the radar of most

00:27:00.820 people in dc that i remember it's like trump i mean i talked to trump he called me in 2015 said

00:27:06.540 i'm gonna run and i said i don't i don't believe you i think you're selling another book i'd seen

00:27:10.940 him do this before 15 years previous you know the the campaign was a book tour yes and he said to

00:27:18.360 me, I think I'm going to surprise you this time. But I still didn't take him seriously, really.

00:27:23.720 But you did. And you reached out to people. What did you think of the people around Trump then?

00:27:29.560 There weren't many. I was very impressed actually by Stephen Miller's intellect

00:27:35.000 and his writing ability and his commitment to immigration reform or closing the border.

00:27:42.320 I thought he was a true believer on that. I think he probably, well, he certainly was at the time.

00:27:48.360 he was a great writer

00:27:52.200 and easy to talk to

00:27:53.260 and I thought committed.

00:27:54.780 I don't know what his motivations were,

00:27:56.520 but he seemed like he actually

00:27:58.080 was on board for the long haul.

00:28:00.500 You know, this.

00:28:01.280 And I will say my entire life,

00:28:04.540 I'd only been voting,

00:28:05.600 barely missed the 88 election,

00:28:07.580 but I've been voting since 92.

00:28:09.140 And in every four years,

00:28:11.720 they would say,

00:28:12.560 this is the existential election.

00:28:14.240 Like this is the election

00:28:15.440 that really is going to determine

00:28:17.140 the path we're on.

00:28:18.360 And by the time 16 came around, it really seemed, with the hangover and the depressing anti-American, anti-white, the Obama program was so dispiriting to witness, the wreckage, I felt, socially, that this was the existential election in 16.

00:28:41.180 I felt that strongly.

00:28:42.980 So Trump was the only one.

00:28:44.420 Everybody else, I mean, Jeb Bush's program, I couldn't even tell you what it was.

00:28:47.740 It was forgettable at the time, but it was the same talking points they'd been using for two decades, referencing Ronald Reagan, who I was personally impressed by, but it's not really relevant during the Iraq wars and the Afghan war and all that stuff.

00:29:01.940 And the degradation that America had experienced that was so overwhelming at that time, it seemed like an existential election and Trump seemed fully committed.

00:29:12.300 And by the time it came around to the debates in the end when he finally got the nomination, this is a man who had withstood every single personal degradation you could possibly imagine and every attack from every quarter of the country.

00:29:28.540 I was fully committed to his program and thought he was real.

00:29:31.940 what kind of speeches did you write for trump mostly about immigration stuff uh rally speeches

00:29:39.500 early on yeah or during the middle of the campaign probably not i'm trying to think when it was late

00:29:45.840 and 15 that's amazing i didn't even know you were doing that i had a lot of freedom to do that was

00:29:51.040 the other thing the stuff that i delivered it was had a lot of freedom to had a lot of license i

00:29:56.820 felt like i was writing from my own perspective and that's how much that's how aligned i was with

00:30:01.580 of what Trump had articulated.

00:30:03.040 It was like some of the easiest speeches to write

00:30:04.920 because they were honest and straightforward

00:30:07.960 and pugnacious and unapologetic.

00:30:11.800 So honest, straightforward, pugnacious,

00:30:13.940 that came naturally to you?

00:30:16.820 And you don't see a lot of that.

00:30:18.520 I mean, normally when you're writing for a candidate,

00:30:20.580 you've got the lawyer, like their campaign manager 0.97

00:30:22.920 or some dipshit consultant 0.99

00:30:24.920 breathing over your shoulder. 0.99

00:30:25.920 You can't say that.

00:30:26.980 You need to soften that.

00:30:27.940 You need to, oh, really?

00:30:29.400 So you end up with something that's not even distinguishable from the other side.

00:30:34.040 Trump was not just distinguishable from the left.

00:30:36.820 He was distinguished himself from the rest of the 19, you know, subpar candidates who were running.

00:30:42.880 But they were all representative of that time.

00:30:45.760 And so I was, man, I never really, I didn't spend time around Trump.

00:30:50.900 I loved his sense of humor, but I loved his consistency.

00:30:54.120 And I loved the fact that he never backed down, especially with these people barking in his face and claiming he was the worst man on the planet. 0.63

00:31:01.680 Yeah, racist.

00:31:03.000 It's like someone, I think it may have been you, said, we're not hiring the guy to, you know, babysit our children.

00:31:09.600 And that was just intuitive to me.

00:31:11.300 It's like, but he was an outsider, too.

00:31:14.800 And also, he seemed like he had a pretty cohesive family at the time.

00:31:19.540 I mean, that attracted me also.

00:31:22.640 It seemed like he had a decent relationship with his children.

00:31:25.160 Yeah, his son-in-law was running everything.

00:31:26.940 Right.

00:31:27.180 That seemed like a good thing.

00:31:28.200 Yes, very much so. 0.98

00:31:29.120 And a huge departure from what you'd seen, because I'd seen tons of candidates up close whose children were, you know, drunks or drug addicts or suicidal or hated their families, hated their parents, and were losers. 0.91

00:31:41.840 And they seemed the opposite of that.

00:31:43.560 They seemed like they also believed in a heritage of America.

00:31:48.300 They believed in building stuff, creating jobs, creating prosperity.

00:31:52.360 And even though he was supposedly a billionaire, he was a guy who understood the working man.

00:31:58.380 He understood how the country worked.

00:32:01.800 Sorry to go on so long, but I was going to say when I did early research, I didn't know a lot about our trade policies at the time.

00:32:07.360 I just didn't know the details.

00:32:09.460 And he talked a lot about it, probably second only to immigration.

00:32:13.520 And when I started doing research on it, I was shocked.

00:32:17.180 The amount of stuff that we had given away just gratuitously surrendered to the rest of the world and our trade policies.

00:32:25.820 And how that had an effect on our manufacturing.

00:32:28.580 I'd always blamed the Clintons for, you know, the free trade and our agreements with Mexico and Canada, cleaning out manufacturing.

00:32:37.420 I was aware of that.

00:32:38.420 I'd seen it happen.

00:32:39.320 but I didn't realize

00:32:42.360 how deep the betrayal was

00:32:43.540 until I started doing research

00:32:45.180 on Trump's individual policies

00:32:47.000 I just hadn't been focused on it

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00:33:48.280 It's interesting.

00:33:49.540 So the winter of 2015,

00:33:52.360 you're writing speeches for Trump.

00:33:55.280 I'm just starting to realize

00:33:56.720 this might be the answer

00:33:59.440 or I should at least be open-minded enough.

00:34:01.920 I think it was January of 16

00:34:03.640 that I decided I'm totally for Trump

00:34:05.900 and wrote a piece about it.

00:34:07.080 but the winter, that winter,

00:34:09.260 I remember being at a Christmas party.

00:34:10.680 You may have been there in our neighborhood

00:34:11.900 on Lowell Street in Northwest

00:34:13.940 at a friend's, really good friend's house.

00:34:16.440 And, you know, everyone's there.

00:34:17.940 Every family you know is there.

00:34:19.180 All of our kids.

00:34:20.060 You know, it's like a December 23rd kind of potluck.

00:34:24.180 Right.

00:34:24.360 Just great, great people, great friends.

00:34:26.980 And we lived next to for so long. 0.99

00:34:28.900 And my wife, who's totally apolitical, 0.98

00:34:31.260 people, they're all grousing about Trump.

00:34:32.580 I can't believe it. 1.00

00:34:33.500 You know, he's a racist. 0.98

00:34:34.880 My wife, totally non-political wife, 0.97

00:34:36.780 goes I like Trump and I remember someone and everyone of course likes my wife so but someone

00:34:42.480 laughed like oh yeah I like Trump too and she's no no I really do like someone needs to stand up for

00:34:48.180 I don't know people who've been shafted and none of them live here but there are a lot of them in

00:34:52.160 this country and like I like Trump people were enraged with her like the only time I've ever

00:34:57.440 seen anyone mad at my wife it's just like no one's ever mad at her but they were mad

00:35:00.960 and embarrassed and like i can't believe there's someone who in the room with me who could like

00:35:06.780 trump and she of course like didn't even notice that people did she's like well no what's wrong

00:35:10.420 with that but that was the response that she got you were already kind of a more i mean you

00:35:17.660 brought your son to episcopal school on a harley davidson so like obviously you're a more

00:35:24.160 controversial figure in the neighborhood what kind of response did you get i had the benefit of

00:35:30.040 Working, I say for myself, but working from home with a couple of clients that I'd had since 2004.

00:35:35.700 So I'd already really enjoyed, have a good relationship with them personally.

00:35:39.820 And I worked on issues that mean something to me that I could defend.

00:35:45.060 And I had a lot of license to speak my mind if I had an opportunity to do so.

00:35:49.340 So I never, I just didn't live in a world where I was subservient to the machine.

00:35:54.960 And I hadn't been like that my entire life because we grew up in a different America where you could express yourself and people expected you to and there was never any apology.

00:36:03.700 You may be wrong. 0.99

00:36:04.860 You may be dumb, but you can say what you think. 0.99

00:36:08.480 And so I just never – I'm so fortunate that I was never forced to think that way, I guess. 0.99

00:36:16.400 I think that's the reason.

00:36:17.320 and then I was just going to say

00:36:20.400 if you did, you know, every four years

00:36:21.700 they do the blind candidate thing

00:36:22.980 where they describe the candidate

00:36:24.300 without the name, without the history

00:36:25.720 as just literally a policy prescription

00:36:27.800 what this person stands for

00:36:29.200 and if you did that with Trump

00:36:31.500 at any time during his campaigns

00:36:34.000 and you just separated the man

00:36:35.720 from the policy

00:36:37.040 his policy is more closely aligned

00:36:41.500 with my worldview

00:36:42.720 and my sense of what it means

00:36:45.180 to be America and American

00:36:46.840 and to be a self-confident man who loves your country.

00:36:51.700 Like, I've never, I'm sorry to jump ahead,

00:36:54.280 but I have never, even knowing how Washington works,

00:36:56.860 even seeing the vitriol that he encountered

00:36:59.780 and the overwhelming opposition

00:37:03.820 from not just political Washington,

00:37:07.700 but the media and the corporate world

00:37:09.320 and everybody else who takes themselves seriously,

00:37:12.860 it was during Trump's inauguration speech the first time.

00:37:15.960 And if you read that speech, as I did, it's like, this is unimpeachable.

00:37:22.900 This is not controversial. 0.97

00:37:25.380 These things that he is saying is such a breath of fresh air that no man in American politics has ever had the balls to say. 0.89

00:37:32.980 Why is that?

00:37:34.260 Like, how is it that we suddenly, we are in a country now where it's embarrassing to say that the reason you have elected officials is so they can take care of America and Americans?

00:37:44.240 To this day, I didn't understand it then.

00:37:46.140 I don't understand it now.

00:37:48.220 Maybe I'm simple-minded.

00:37:49.720 I think you do understand it.

00:37:51.240 I do understand it, yeah.

00:37:52.880 Right.

00:37:53.460 I think you know what's going on.

00:37:54.720 I oppose it.

00:37:55.440 I'm very angry about it.

00:37:57.080 Right.

00:37:57.500 But this is one of those topics where you're like, I don't understand what's happening here.

00:38:02.520 It is unimpeachable to say that we're here to protect America.

00:38:04.780 Of course it is.

00:38:05.500 Of course it is.

00:38:07.360 So, yeah, I actually, it was at that point that I really started to loathe the people who were against Donald Trump's program.

00:38:15.920 Yes, you could laugh at him. 0.97

00:38:16.960 Yes, you could say, take issue with some of the moronic things that he says or the inconsistent things he would say. 0.89

00:38:23.360 But he was very consistent about sticking up for America and Americans, first and foremost and always.

00:38:29.020 You put a Trump bumper sticker on your truck.

00:38:31.100 I did, and I'm not a bumper sticker guy at all.

00:38:33.900 And I did it a little bit as an act of rebellion because I was aware.

00:38:39.840 I was aware.

00:38:40.500 I mean, I lived in a neighborhood that, you know, had a lot of rainbow flags, a lot of anti-war signs, which I'm totally anti-war.

00:38:49.620 But the idea that you're displaying your political views on your car or your lawn, I just find kind of reprehensible.

00:38:56.900 Well, when you live in a city that voted, you know, 4.1% for Trump, it kind of gives you license to, because you know everybody agrees with you.

00:39:07.820 It's a one-party state.

00:39:08.920 I mean, that's reflexive and easy to be one of those.

00:39:12.280 I don't think Albania under Enver Hoja had margins like that.

00:39:15.880 I mean, that is just like, that's truly just one party state.

00:39:20.040 So it doesn't make people's behavior better at all.

00:39:24.200 But you decide when you know that 96% of the people in your city disagree with you to let them know what you think.

00:39:33.680 That's what it means to be an American man.

00:39:36.400 I totally agree.

00:39:37.740 Amen.

00:39:38.140 Yeah, nicely put.

00:39:39.000 So what kind of response did you get to your,

00:39:41.060 the bumper sticker said, as I recall,

00:39:43.680 because I was just in love with it and amazed by it

00:39:45.840 and too cowardly to put it on my own car.

00:39:48.440 It said, pro-God, pro-life, pro-gun, pro-Trump? 0.96

00:39:53.020 No, it was actually, but it was during the Trump era.

00:39:55.520 So it wasn't explicitly pro-Trump,

00:39:57.340 but it certainly captured.

00:39:58.840 And it had a picture.

00:40:00.140 It was pro-God, pro-gun, pro-life, anti-Obama.

00:40:04.380 And it had the sunset thing.

00:40:07.400 And people reacted exactly as you would expect.

00:40:10.420 Very few people would accost me in traffic,

00:40:14.200 beep their horn, flick me off, yell at me.

00:40:16.860 My car would get defaced often.

00:40:18.780 I also had a small American flag in the back of my car

00:40:20.740 that I had to keep replacing because people would steal it.

00:40:23.380 But most people would just divert their eyes in disgust.

00:40:27.240 And I don't know.

00:40:29.980 Those are the kind of people that

00:40:31.060 I just couldn't care less about their opinion.

00:40:34.540 Even though they're 96% of the population of the city you live in?

00:40:38.060 Yes.

00:40:39.500 I had a lot of friends in D.C.

00:40:40.740 I love D.C.

00:40:41.860 Oh, I totally agree.

00:40:43.460 I couldn't imagine living there now.

00:40:44.800 But, no, I also lived on kind of a, I lived on a cul-de-sac with a lot of like-minded people just sort of by accident.

00:40:52.140 And also the kind of people that would be averse to those messages, which, again, I think are foundational to life and certainly life in this country,

00:41:01.060 don't have the courage to attack you for it

00:41:05.140 because they're spineless weenies anyway. 1.00

00:41:07.440 Yeah, whose wives hate them. 0.97

00:41:08.680 I totally agree with that. 0.92

00:41:10.000 We saw a lot of that.

00:41:11.360 That's exactly right. 0.65

00:41:13.040 Yeah, those are the guys whose wives hit on you for sure.

00:41:16.340 Sorry to say that out loud, 1.00

00:41:17.780 but it's literally true.

00:41:19.540 Is it not true?

00:41:20.200 Yes, it is.

00:41:21.040 Yeah, it is.

00:41:23.040 That's the root to adultery 1.00

00:41:24.360 is a wife who's unimpressed 1.00

00:41:27.240 and doesn't honor her husband,

00:41:29.240 doesn't respect him.

00:41:30.060 because he doesn't have a spine that's exactly right yeah weak men make unhappy women why is

00:41:35.800 there a rise in female cheating because there's a rise in weak men that's just a fact uh sorry to

00:41:42.740 say that no sorry to blame the victims but it is absolutely right um so then the trump real act

00:41:49.420 2020 you i remember you wearing a shirt now by this point you know i'm defending trump every

00:41:55.600 single day on Fox News, on a, not always Trump the man, but certainly Trump's policies and

00:42:02.820 certainly attacking people who are attacking Trump because it became a kind of handy guide

00:42:06.880 to who was against the country's most basic interests. The people were hysterical about

00:42:11.120 Trump. It was a political colander, I like to say. Yeah. You put those people in and just

00:42:14.840 separated those who were pro-American and reasonable. Right. Yeah. From the rest. And

00:42:20.720 the anti-white stuff, which was always the foundation of it. It's like, if you hate whites, 0.97

00:42:24.680 you hate trump even though trump was in no sense or like pro-white or anything but whatever that

00:42:31.280 even means but he was an equal opportunity lover i got the sense i mean he'd had a very public life

00:42:37.440 i think he liked all kinds and he was nice well there's that which i never wanted to say in public

00:42:43.300 but i'm but it's well known it's well known that's exactly i don't even hesitate even to say it now

00:42:48.820 but like trump could pretty easily prove he wasn't a racist if you know what i mean

00:42:53.940 sorry

00:42:56.860 that's just true

00:42:58.620 yes

00:42:59.120 I don't think it's ever been written

00:43:00.840 but

00:43:01.380 but talk about demonstrable

00:43:04.600 talk about demonstrating your

00:43:06.620 your love for all

00:43:08.140 you don't

00:43:09.440 right

00:43:09.780 I mean you don't

00:43:10.600 no you're right

00:43:11.480 if you can do that

00:43:12.460 then you could do anything

00:43:13.740 you would support someone

00:43:14.920 if you could sleep with someone

00:43:16.520 you would support them

00:43:17.360 if you're colorblind

00:43:18.640 in your

00:43:19.240 in your sexual aspirations

00:43:21.080 you're colorblind

00:43:22.040 in everything else

00:43:22.860 right i think that's completely fair yeah that's completely fair no trump is a racist was that

00:43:29.180 i always felt like there are things wrong with trump have always been i overlooked most of them

00:43:35.920 or just tried to ignore them or whatever and some of them i honestly enjoyed you know his vulgarity

00:43:40.460 or whatever i but um his sense of timing is amazing no there's so much about trump that's

00:43:46.040 amazing i completely agree but the idea that trump was a racist it was be like well that's

00:43:51.860 actually the one thing he's not why are you calling him a race it's not even true right what are you

00:43:55.760 talking about trump is a racist i just i don't i know who came up with that it's because they were

00:44:02.380 race obsessed that's why right because they really hated the whites yes and they wanted to they wanted

00:44:08.080 to wait and i've still to this they don't understand why they hated the whites so much

00:44:11.280 let's let's give them equal opportunity credit that the democratic party also was an incredibly

00:44:15.880 racist party oh my gosh i mean exactly didn't like anybody whenever you're race obsessed

00:44:21.700 you're going to end up hating people 0.93

00:44:23.380 on the basis of their race,

00:44:24.420 just period. 0.88

00:44:25.460 Yes. 1.00

00:44:26.540 But yeah, Trump is racist. 1.00

00:44:28.240 It's like the dumbest thing 1.00

00:44:29.180 I've ever heard. 1.00

00:44:29.620 Can we go back a minute,

00:44:30.340 one second?

00:44:32.140 The famous quote,

00:44:33.340 the fact,

00:44:33.900 I mean,

00:44:34.080 there's another thing

00:44:34.780 that I just so admired about Trump,

00:44:36.680 but it bothered me,

00:44:37.920 it has bothered me now

00:44:38.760 for almost 10 years,

00:44:40.760 how people got the quote, 0.99

00:44:43.040 the grab them by the pussy quote, 0.99

00:44:44.980 so wrong. 1.00

00:44:46.180 Oh, I agree.

00:44:47.280 Yeah,

00:44:47.680 because the full quote,

00:44:48.620 if I'm not mistaken,

00:44:49.320 was they let you. 1.00

00:44:50.940 When you're rich and famous, to grab them by the pussy. 1.00

00:44:54.200 So I thought that was worth some exploration, but no one else did. 1.00

00:44:58.320 In what sense? I totally agree.

00:45:00.100 It was an indictment of American culture.

00:45:02.160 It was an indictment of the kind of culture actually that Trump had perpetuated so aggressively over two decades.

00:45:08.700 The look-at-me culture, the facade of success, the very shallow idea that you are, you know, that your worth is caught up in your bank account and your display of wealth when that is such a total corrupting dead end.

00:45:25.700 And it really has hurt the women in this country.

00:45:28.800 It's been to their detriment, obviously. 0.99

00:45:30.520 We could have a long conversation about the failures of feminism, but one of them is that women tried to aspire to a male sexual voraciousness that isn't conducive to them and also isn't beneficial to them because no man wants a woman who's been with a bunch of men. 1.00

00:45:50.900 That's a law that's been around forever, a human law, and no celebration of supposed freedom is going to obscure that fact.

00:46:05.060 Sorry, but that is exactly what Trump was talking about when he said, when you're famous, they will allow you to do that.

00:46:11.700 And I noticed that everybody cut that part of the quote out, even though I thought it was the most interesting part of the quote.

00:46:17.580 He said that to a childhood friend of ours.

00:46:20.240 Yes.

00:46:20.900 Who was interviewing him and who was destroyed just for being there, which was kind of crazy.

00:46:28.620 Destroyed by his own employers and their friend was the NBC and Washington Post colluding together to their detriment, but also to the detriment of their employee.

00:46:38.100 It was the most disgusting demonstration of disloyalty.

00:46:42.700 Yeah. 0.94

00:46:43.300 Subservient to political gain.

00:46:44.380 Someone we'd grown up with and knew really well.

00:46:46.520 And it was just the whole thing was sad.

00:46:48.700 But you're absolutely right.

00:46:50.480 at the core was trump's vulgar but unfortunately true claim that rich and famous men have a totally

00:46:59.660 different standard of behavior that is allowed by women yeah and um you know men should not act that

00:47:06.460 way women shouldn't put up with it yeah and that but that's a fact and anyone who's been in rich 0.94

00:47:12.480 and famous world as i have been a lot of my life knows that that's true yes and uh it's a problem

00:47:18.140 that has at least two authors,

00:47:20.300 men and women.

00:47:21.820 Yeah.

00:47:22.480 Is it fair?

00:47:23.180 Yes.

00:47:23.520 Oh, completely.

00:47:24.880 And also it demonstrated

00:47:26.200 how committed he was

00:47:27.080 because he should have been,

00:47:28.840 if there was ever a time

00:47:29.660 you should be overwhelmed by shame,

00:47:30.960 it was that,

00:47:31.540 saying that in public.

00:47:32.540 I mean, it was pretty gross

00:47:33.480 and embarrassing and shocking.

00:47:35.680 But the fact that he actually

00:47:36.840 debated Hillary the next day

00:47:38.200 and did a great job

00:47:40.120 allowed me to believe

00:47:42.540 that this was not about

00:47:43.500 his personal ambition.

00:47:44.760 This was a guy

00:47:45.400 who actually cared about America.

00:47:46.740 He's willing to subject himself to that kind of attack and not, like, fold up and crawl off in shame.

00:47:53.560 Do you think Jeb could have withstood the pressure?

00:47:58.620 Apologize to my wife, I think is what he's—I think that was, like, his refrain, wake up at 2 o'clock in the morning every night sweating and apologize to my wife.

00:48:07.540 I think he—sorry.

00:48:09.080 I think he said that to Trump during one of the debates.

00:48:12.660 I think Jeb Bush turned to Trump and said, apologize to my wife.

00:48:17.840 It's like no man demands an apology from another man who offends his wife.

00:48:23.360 You either punch him in the face or you take care of it on your own.

00:48:27.160 Don't you think?

00:48:28.140 I mean, if you're going to defend your wife's honor, it's not on a debate stage with those kind of words.

00:48:33.400 If Jeb had walked over and just smashed Trump in the face on the debate stage.

00:48:38.000 Perfectly appropriate.

00:48:39.320 I may have voted for him if he had done something like that.

00:48:41.540 If he'd been capable of doing something like that, otherwise he—

00:48:45.540 Actually, I don't ever revel in other people's misfortune, but one of the great things about Trump was his dynasty bashing, destroying.

00:48:56.060 The fact that he had destroyed the Bush hold on the political world on the right was one of his greatest accomplishments, even more so, I think, than destroying the Clintons.

00:49:07.080 because he's never really followed through with that

00:49:09.100 and either he's never prosecuted these people

00:49:11.180 who are so outside the law.

00:49:13.480 But he did peel back the mask 1.00

00:49:16.240 of these globalist pussies 0.99

00:49:19.500 who've had such an effect on our lives for so long. 0.99

00:49:25.320 Well, he really meant it with the Bushes.

00:49:26.880 He hated them because they were wasps.

00:49:28.920 He hates wasps, but he's also obsessed with them.

00:49:31.080 I've talked to him about it many times.

00:49:32.460 And he's obsessed with them

00:49:34.020 And he feels, I mean, the whole Mar-a-Lago was built.

00:49:39.860 When he was denied entry into the B&T.

00:49:42.820 Yes.

00:49:43.560 Which has like totally been lost to history.

00:49:46.100 They're directly across the street from each other.

00:49:49.180 And he built his club.

00:49:52.640 I happened to be there.

00:49:54.140 I was in Palm Beach.

00:49:54.820 It was 85 or 86, something like that.

00:49:57.220 We were staying with our friends there.

00:49:58.520 You were there.

00:49:59.720 And we're having lunch at the Bath and Tennis Club.

00:50:01.760 and everyone's like,

00:50:02.380 Donald Trump is building a club

00:50:04.820 across the street

00:50:05.560 for basically to give us the finger

00:50:07.400 and no, we're not letting him

00:50:08.840 or any of his friends in our club

00:50:10.120 and I don't think they have

00:50:10.960 to this day, 40 years later.

00:50:14.200 Anyway, none of that

00:50:16.620 was ever reported by anybody.

00:50:18.700 I'm aware.

00:50:19.460 Yeah.

00:50:19.640 They focused on the flag,

00:50:20.700 which was pretty cool.

00:50:21.400 There were a lot of dynamics here

00:50:24.660 going on that nobody

00:50:26.460 ever wants to talk about.

00:50:27.600 We just happened to

00:50:28.640 have witnessed them firsthand.

00:50:30.200 So I know exactly

00:50:31.340 what this was but trump's resentment toward the wasps was the driving force there really and he

00:50:39.640 was an outer boroughs guy never felt accepted by them always wanted to be always bragging i went to

00:50:44.700 pen like okay pen you know and like they never liked him they never accepted him and boy did

00:50:51.380 he get them back yes he did and even to this day i mean six weeks ago i was talking about this

00:50:57.820 his resentment toward the Bushes

00:51:00.880 and it's ethnic and social.

00:51:03.520 He acknowledges that literally up front?

00:51:06.260 No, of course not.

00:51:07.740 But it's like,

00:51:08.760 but he's very fixated on the wasp thing

00:51:10.480 and does talk about it a lot.

00:51:11.900 I believe it.

00:51:12.600 Yeah.

00:51:13.460 With me anyway.

00:51:14.980 It's always like,

00:51:15.660 hmm, what are you saying?

00:51:16.940 But whatever, I don't care.

00:51:18.900 Ignore it.

00:51:19.340 There's another group in America

00:51:20.520 that's kind of fixated on the wasps too.

00:51:22.360 Yeah.

00:51:22.600 Well, yeah, I've noticed that too.

00:51:24.600 Equal fervor and hostility.

00:51:26.140 Yeah.

00:51:26.600 I don't know.

00:51:27.820 But, you know, you get what you put up with, and they put up with it, and like, oh, okay, you have a good point.

00:51:34.700 Anyway, but yeah, no, he wanted to destroy the Bushes because, you know, he didn't agree with their program, I guess. 0.68

00:51:42.800 He said he didn't agree with their program, but the real reason he wanted to destroy them was, you know, they go to the BNT and he doesn't.

00:51:49.540 You don't think it was his anti-war position?

00:51:52.420 I thought it was.

00:51:53.440 I did, too.

00:51:54.380 okay so let me just say this is like one of the reasons i'm just so grateful to talk to you is

00:52:01.560 because you were there and you saw a lot of this stuff and these details just get lost and you know

00:52:08.380 some details are not worth preserving because like who cares but some of them really are at the

00:52:14.000 center of the question like this is why things happened yes and everyone lies about everything

00:52:19.260 all the time and you just want like somebody somewhere in the distant future to know what

00:52:24.540 actually happened yes preserve the truth preserve the truth that's preserve the truth so i just want

00:52:30.560 this to be a record of the truth and that you know status anxiety which is a huge driver of

00:52:37.520 human behavior is it not yes a huge driver of president trump's behavior huge driver of his

00:52:43.720 behavior, you know, plays a role in all this stuff. These unannounced conflicts between groups

00:52:49.480 for power and prestige and rank. These are big questions. Yes. Yeah. What drives human behavior

00:52:56.480 drives policy in the end. Exactly. And so if you have the total displacement after over 200 years

00:53:03.340 of the American ruling class by a new group, that's a big thing. But nobody says a word about 0.81

00:53:09.540 it and i'm not even taking sides in it though you know obviously i have a side to take but i'm not

00:53:15.620 taking sides in it but like that happened it happened over 40 years and now it's it's complete

00:53:23.020 and like no one can say that that happened are you are you kidding it's absurd but and but good

00:53:29.040 or bad like by the way that is a story of history like groups displace other groups and there's

00:53:33.480 reasons for that and survival of the fittest and all that. Got it. Not even decrying it. I'm just

00:53:39.700 saying the fact that no one will acknowledge that that happened and that it had massive effects on

00:53:44.140 everything and that it, those resentments or aspirations drive behavior that has results

00:53:51.900 that we see all around us, like, and no one will say it. It's really shocking. It is. I remember

00:53:59.140 I was sitting there was a girl called Catherine Rempel. I think she worked at the Washington

00:54:03.240 Post, but she was like a Fox contributor or something. Not impressive at all. But I was

00:54:09.040 sitting on the set with her in a commercial break once. She was like a sort of liberal neocon type 0.81

00:54:13.420 person, but not smart. Anyway, we're talking and I'm trying to be nice. And she's like a younger

00:54:17.780 person. And I'm like, you know, where are you from? And I grew up in Palm Beach. You grew up

00:54:21.040 in Palm Beach? That's sort of interesting. I know Palm Beach. Don't go there anymore, but I know it,

00:54:25.240 you know, well. And, um, she goes, yeah, I grew up there and something about this or that. And

00:54:30.820 she's like, yeah. And we moved there and my dad sued the Bath and Tennis Club for discrimination

00:54:39.220 because they wouldn't let him in. And I'm listening to this. I'm like, he sued a country,

00:54:43.060 your dad. And I, if I'm getting this wrong, I just want to apologize, but I'm pretty sure I

00:54:46.600 remember this conversation like it was yesterday. This is 10 years ago. Yeah. He sued because they

00:54:51.400 wouldn't let us in and i'm like not sort of not my job to tell you that these are private

00:54:56.300 associations like i don't know what are you even talking about like that's repulsive to me

00:55:02.480 a club should have you should have the right to hang out with whoever you want to hang out on

00:55:06.260 whatever basis you want to make that decision but she was like bragging about it and i was like

00:55:11.180 the hatred behind that it's like the desire to destroy something that you didn't build was like

00:55:17.240 so evident. This girl's a

00:55:19.260 hater, actually. That's what I realized talking to her.

00:55:21.380 Plus that she could be so un-self-aware

00:55:23.420 and understand that that is the 0.97

00:55:25.240 most repugnant thing. Of course, it dominates

00:55:27.300 American culture now. It wasn't acceptable

00:55:29.180 when we were growing up. Oh, I know. No, I'm aware.

00:55:31.680 Anyway,

00:55:32.620 okay, so I just want to establish

00:55:34.460 for people who aren't aware of all these dynamics, just that

00:55:37.080 they do exist and they're absolutely

00:55:38.840 consequential and we're seeing their effects

00:55:41.160 but no one will tell us that.

00:55:43.420 So in your specific case,

00:55:45.320 2020 comes around, Trump is running

00:55:47.040 for re-election and I go over to your house.

00:55:49.920 We lived obviously in the same neighborhood

00:55:51.200 and you're wearing a shirt that says Trump re-elect. 1.00

00:55:55.720 Re-elect the MF-er. 0.56

00:55:58.900 And you're wearing this shirt. 1.00

00:56:02.680 So I'm establishing all of this

00:56:05.160 just so people understand

00:56:06.260 that you are not a fair weather Trump voter.

00:56:08.480 Is that fair? 0.96

00:56:09.240 That's fair.

00:56:10.540 Could I actually give thanks to Doug Davenport

00:56:14.860 for that shirt?

00:56:15.620 What a good man.

00:56:16.340 What a great.

00:56:17.040 man yeah doug davenport's of washington figure who is like in the rare the tiny group yes that

00:56:23.600 you belong to of people who really were on the trump program yes supportive what was it what

00:56:29.800 was the experience of wearing that shirt like at that time actually you would you could get

00:56:36.320 you know shot it seemed like wearing that i'm not a big hat guy but i did occasionally wear

00:56:41.840 of my MAGA hat that I got signed from Trump

00:56:44.780 in his not very well attended victory party in 2016.

00:56:50.940 Did you go to that?

00:56:52.080 I did.

00:56:53.400 I was there until 4.30 in the morning.

00:56:56.500 I walked out.

00:56:57.060 You're like an OG Trump man.

00:56:58.440 You're my only brother.

00:56:59.560 I didn't, I mean, I knew that.

00:57:00.740 I saw you that night, I think, right?

00:57:02.820 Yeah, I had dinner with you.

00:57:03.900 Okay.

00:57:04.460 Yes, no, I had dinner with you.

00:57:05.980 You were on Fox, I remember.

00:57:07.200 Right, I was on Fox, right.

00:57:08.340 I was like, what was I doing that night?

00:57:09.460 I was sitting on a set with, like, grumpy Brit Hume and that guy from 60 Minutes' Son, Wallace.

00:57:16.060 And they were like, I can't believe this couldn't happen.

00:57:18.980 And I was, like, psyched.

00:57:20.440 And everyone hated me for being psyched.

00:57:21.840 But we had dinner.

00:57:22.600 I totally forgot that because you were going to the Trump victory party.

00:57:25.600 What was that like?

00:57:27.140 Really, really.

00:57:29.320 Actually, it was one of the greatest things ever.

00:57:31.380 We showed up.

00:57:32.360 We went out to an additional dinner.

00:57:34.080 I was with my wife.

00:57:35.040 Went out to an additional dinner.

00:57:36.500 Had a great dinner.

00:57:37.280 Two dinners, Uncle Buck.

00:57:38.200 Two dinners, went to this wonderful French restaurant that no longer exists in New York, showed up at this very sparsely attended victory party.

00:57:47.900 And the best thing about it is it had a wall of televisions from floor to ceiling behind the stage.

00:57:53.360 And it was an up-close picture of all of the assembled people in the Javits Center, which is where all the Democrats and the victory Hillary party was taking place.

00:58:07.100 No one seemed to think Trump was going to win until, of course, he flipped Florida.

00:58:13.540 And then it was a raucous party.

00:58:15.480 It was actually a celebration.

00:58:16.680 Who was there?

00:58:17.320 Do you remember who you ran into?

00:58:19.440 Oh, I almost got knocked over by the—I'm trying to remember her name now. 1.00

00:58:22.960 She was the female governor of Arizona, just plowed, just super hammered.

00:58:29.600 Do you remember her?

00:58:30.600 I can't remember her name.

00:58:31.140 I do remember her. 0.95

00:58:32.500 She was a smoker. 0.99

00:58:33.820 She was a smoker. 1.00

00:58:34.700 She was a massive drinker. 0.74

00:58:35.960 she was jubilant people were jubilant but like to go to the trump party in 2016 0.99

00:58:41.860 no one even bothered to go i ran into kellyanne conway fitzpatrick or whatever she was at that

00:58:48.000 point conway i guess that morning at like 5 a.m on the set at fox she's the campaign manager oh

00:58:53.220 i remember and i said we're in the hallway i'll never forget it right off off the set and i said

00:58:57.200 what do you think the numbers are tonight and she always asked the campaign manager that like

00:59:01.220 election day and she goes i'd say 45 43 something like that there's a campaign manager telling me

00:59:07.400 i've talked to a lot of campaign managers on election day like since 1992 or whatever

00:59:12.000 i've never met one who didn't predict victory on election day ever ever doesn't matter plus

00:59:18.240 it's bad juju i mean your job is to demonstrate the utmost optimism even in the face of so if

00:59:24.380 your campaign and by the way trump thought he was going to lose and i think he said that he

00:59:27.100 He certainly said it to me.

00:59:28.020 But I know that he,

00:59:28.940 I know that he believed

00:59:29.720 he was going to lose.

00:59:30.240 So if you're going

00:59:31.300 to the Trump party

00:59:32.120 when the candidate

00:59:33.320 and his campaign manager

00:59:34.500 both believe they're going to lose,

00:59:36.500 but you're at the victory party.

00:59:38.320 We know it's a snapshot in history.

00:59:40.340 We did.

00:59:40.540 I actually did think I know

00:59:42.140 because you polled our table.

00:59:43.380 We had a table

00:59:43.940 of about eight people for dinner

00:59:45.140 and it was me

00:59:46.560 and Caitlin Collins

00:59:48.360 to her credit.

00:59:49.380 Oh, wow.

00:59:50.320 Two of us, I think,

00:59:51.620 I think you said,

00:59:52.700 I think three of us

00:59:53.600 out of eight or nine people

00:59:54.620 said Trump was going to win.

00:59:55.660 It's kind of crazy.

00:59:56.380 this is going to like set off conspiracies,

00:59:58.100 but you and I are having dinner with Caitlin Collins

01:00:00.100 on the eve of the 2016 election.

01:00:03.740 I love Caitlin Collins.

01:00:05.280 I don't even, I've never seen her on TV

01:00:07.120 because I don't have a TV, but.

01:00:08.740 I don't watch her on TV either.

01:00:10.240 I'll preserve my.

01:00:11.240 Sweet girl, I know you're not allowed to say that.

01:00:12.800 My thoughts of her and that dinner

01:00:13.980 because she was riotous.

01:00:16.380 She was a great girl.

01:00:17.120 She's a smart girl.

01:00:17.720 She's a great girl.

01:00:18.440 I totally agree with that.

01:00:19.620 Despite whatever she says on TV,

01:00:20.820 I'm not even aware of it, but I am.

01:00:22.800 Haven't watched CNN in a decade.

01:00:24.160 Hired her out of college

01:00:25.120 and always thought so much of her.

01:00:26.820 She's one of the hardest working people

01:00:28.420 I've ever met in my life.

01:00:29.440 That girl, I don't think she slept past 5 a.m.

01:00:31.740 in her entire life. 0.78

01:00:32.620 Like, she is a worker. 0.76

01:00:34.380 Super admirable.

01:00:35.280 I respect that.

01:00:36.100 Yes, I do.

01:00:36.720 Almost above everything.

01:00:37.720 Anyway, so you go to the party,

01:00:40.600 it's sparsely attended,

01:00:42.100 and then he wins.

01:00:42.940 Then it transforms.

01:00:44.320 Jeff Sessions was right next to us.

01:00:46.160 I love Jeff Sessions.

01:00:47.040 Me too.

01:00:47.880 Good man.

01:00:48.560 Great man.

01:00:50.380 You know, not tons,

01:00:51.920 but a few elected officials

01:00:53.120 that I recognize from around the country.

01:00:55.120 Not many.

01:00:56.360 Mostly.

01:00:57.200 Not many.

01:00:58.160 Mostly.

01:00:59.120 Jan Brewer.

01:01:00.540 That's exactly who it was.

01:01:01.660 Jan Brewer.

01:01:02.240 Sorry.

01:01:02.620 Governor.

01:01:02.900 I think I prevented Jan Brewer from falling down.

01:01:05.260 She fell into me and had full momentum, and I remember pulling her back, and she couldn't

01:01:09.880 have been cheerier.

01:01:10.720 Saving governors.

01:01:11.800 Not a grumpy drunk.

01:01:12.620 Political superman.

01:01:13.860 Hold on, governor.

01:01:16.880 It was amazing.

01:01:18.160 In fact, not only did they not think they were going to win, it was really hard to assemble

01:01:21.560 the entire team and the entire family.

01:01:23.820 I'm assuming some of them were asleep.

01:01:25.360 I have no idea.

01:01:26.000 But once it was clear that he had won, and the best part of this celebration was seeing in real time, floor to ceiling, all of the self-assured, really vindictive celebrities and other elected officials who had assembled to cheer on Hillary in tears.

01:01:46.520 I mean, just inconsolably.

01:01:47.820 So you went for the suffering.

01:01:49.300 I did.

01:01:49.780 I don't normally, but there it was really hard not to appreciate.

01:01:52.580 I mean, it was in Technicolor and up close.

01:01:54.500 The sense of entitlement that the Hillary people had.

01:01:57.200 Yes, it was.

01:01:58.180 It was crazy.

01:01:59.520 It's her turn.

01:02:01.120 She'd never done anything.

01:02:02.520 Oh, she'd flown a million miles when she was Secretary of State.

01:02:04.280 Oh, flown a million miles.

01:02:05.100 That was literally like her top talking point, remember?

01:02:08.400 But I think she had a record of like zero achievement.

01:02:10.860 Zero achievement, but really high self-regard.

01:02:14.160 But the most banal observations about the world,

01:02:17.120 like I always thought that she had, you know,

01:02:19.900 high feral intelligence

01:02:22.060 but I never thought

01:02:22.840 there was any evidence

01:02:23.940 that she had

01:02:24.400 any abstract intelligence

01:02:25.640 at all

01:02:25.960 like conceptual intelligence

01:02:27.100 like she couldn't

01:02:27.540 understand the world

01:02:28.440 she was too busy surviving

01:02:29.980 she was a survivor

01:02:30.980 first and foremost 0.96

01:02:31.900 she was a cockroach 0.99

01:02:34.080 like that way 1.00

01:02:34.940 you couldn't kill Hillary 0.99

01:02:36.960 I mean we've been around 0.76

01:02:37.900 since Hillary

01:02:38.420 didn't show up on the scene 1.00

01:02:39.480 no

01:02:39.980 been there the whole time

01:02:41.260 I ran into her in Riyadh

01:02:42.420 yes I know

01:02:43.180 two months ago

01:02:43.820 you think you were there

01:02:44.640 no I

01:02:47.080 yeah she's still here 0.99

01:02:48.300 with her beard human 1.00

01:02:49.620 I almost ran into her. 1.00

01:02:51.460 I walked in and, wow, Hillary Clinton.

01:02:54.540 It's right in front of me. 1.00

01:02:55.800 She's like four feet tall at this point. 1.00

01:02:57.880 Confirmation that she's still with her girlfriend 0.96

01:02:59.660 who's married to George Soros.

01:03:01.860 I know.

01:03:02.400 I mean, what a shame that is.

01:03:04.300 Most people don't talk about that.

01:03:05.320 They should.

01:03:06.120 I know.

01:03:06.460 I'm sorry. 0.99

01:03:06.980 She's in public life. 0.98

01:03:08.440 She doesn't have a private life. 0.75

01:03:09.860 It's worthy of examination. 1.00

01:03:12.140 Yeah.

01:03:12.520 Sorry.

01:03:14.160 I'm going to stick to my no outing policy.

01:03:17.140 The only person I've broken it for is Barack Obama.

01:03:19.280 I just couldn't.

01:03:20.220 I'm sorry.

01:03:21.440 You know why I did that?

01:03:23.760 Because I really don't think that you should do that. 0.84

01:03:25.900 I feel guilty every time I call Lindsey Graham gay. 0.52

01:03:27.960 I shouldn't be doing that. 0.99

01:03:29.020 That is not the Christian way at all. 0.99

01:03:31.200 The only reason I did it for Obama was because there was a guy, an accuser, 0.85

01:03:36.540 and they arrested him and, like, tormented him.

01:03:39.760 And he, like, died in poverty and obscurity pretty recently. 0.98

01:03:42.940 He was a very screwed up dude. 1.00

01:03:45.240 He was kind of sad, prison gay kind of guy. 1.00

01:03:47.980 But he was credible. 1.00

01:03:49.280 Well, he's absolutely telling the truth.

01:03:50.980 There's no question about it.

01:03:52.040 In my mind, you know, it's he said, he said,

01:03:55.440 but I don't even know if Obama's denied it.

01:03:57.380 But Obama was on the down low for sure.

01:04:00.060 Big time.

01:04:00.660 And everyone's like, oh, how dare you say that?

01:04:02.400 Well, his biographer said that Obama himself

01:04:04.860 in a letter to a distant cousin of ours,

01:04:08.100 I'm embarrassed to say we have a relative who dated Obama,

01:04:11.880 which is like shocking.

01:04:14.020 But anyway, I don't marinate on that.

01:04:16.120 I know you don't.

01:04:16.920 But anyway, in a letter to a relative of ours said, you know, I've considered being gay, but it's not challenging enough.

01:04:25.840 It's like, did you ever write letters like that in college?

01:04:29.760 I don't think I wrote letters to any men, actually, no.

01:04:33.780 Did you write letters to your girlfriend being like, you know, I was thinking about being gay.

01:04:38.020 Just thinking about, you know, this morning I was thinking, maybe I should be gay. 0.92

01:04:40.320 That's not enough of a challenge. 0.63

01:04:44.200 I would say about Lindsey Graham, it is fair game. 1.00

01:04:46.920 because that man holds somehow a lot of power over America's future 0.52

01:04:51.800 and America's boys who fight in our wars.

01:04:55.800 And he is.

01:04:57.940 No, I know.

01:04:58.900 It's just, I think we have to in our business or just in life

01:05:02.380 fight against the tendency to judge everyone but ourselves for sure.

01:05:08.040 And I think if you're going to tell the truth about other people,

01:05:10.260 you should be required.

01:05:11.200 You should require yourself to tell the truth about yourself first. 0.94

01:05:14.280 so because it's just so easy to be like oh they're bad they're secretly you know sodomites

01:05:21.420 we're okay well we're all secretly something so like it's just important to say that anyway sorry

01:05:25.500 um did you say we're all secretly something not all secretly sodomites sorry just to clarify 0.84

01:05:31.600 no we're not i mean speak for myself there is a lot of that in the Republican party it's insane 0.98

01:05:38.540 it's insane

01:05:39.880 it can't be accidental

01:05:40.680 someone we had dinner

01:05:42.360 with last night

01:05:42.840 who's very wise

01:05:43.660 said

01:05:44.400 demonic influences

01:05:45.860 concentrate

01:05:46.660 on those with power

01:05:48.520 and that is so clearly

01:05:49.920 I believe that was

01:05:50.720 my wife of 35 years

01:05:52.040 who said that

01:05:52.700 she's a wise chick 0.63

01:05:54.200 no that is totally right 1.00

01:05:55.620 demonic influence

01:05:57.120 concentrates on those

01:05:58.200 who have power

01:05:58.760 beware of power

01:05:59.840 yes

01:06:00.280 that's why it's

01:06:02.000 and those who seek power

01:06:03.380 yes

01:06:04.160 no that's

01:06:05.140 that is

01:06:05.680 that is true

01:06:06.520 it's a chicken and the egg thing

01:06:07.720 Do screwed up people go into politics and business?

01:06:12.740 Or does the reality of living near power, having power, does that destroy them?

01:06:20.680 I think clearly both.

01:06:21.860 I mean, they've done studies that show an inordinate amount of sociopaths gravitate towards elective office and also corporate power.

01:06:29.360 Really?

01:06:29.780 Yeah.

01:06:31.280 This past year, actually, something like 60% or something were demonstrably sociopathic.

01:06:37.720 Yeah, I mean, if you wake up every morning and say, I am the wisest, I am the toughest, I'm the leader of all men, and I can make decisions for other people, there's something wrong with you.

01:06:48.120 I've never thought that one time in my life.

01:06:52.320 I've never looked in the mirror and said, you're a leader of men.

01:06:56.660 I've suffered some delusions, but not that one.

01:06:59.120 Not that one, I'm like.

01:07:01.000 Yeah, well, this is why I think this to myself all the time.

01:07:03.740 We should require every man to have a mirror outside his shower.

01:07:07.540 So as you emerge from the shower every day,

01:07:09.360 you see this lumpy furry primate staring back at you

01:07:12.500 and you're like-

01:07:13.200 Weird fur in places.

01:07:16.400 Can't take yourself too seriously.

01:07:18.620 Yes, amen.

01:07:19.660 God bless our women, tolerating and loving us despite that.

01:07:23.720 There's this amazing exchange between Jesus and Peter,

01:07:30.860 at the end of the Gospel of John,

01:07:33.560 when Jesus reappears and a couple of the disciples

01:07:36.120 are fishing on the Sea of Galilee

01:07:37.560 and Jesus has prepared this

01:07:38.940 like basically fish barbecue breakfast.

01:07:40.980 He's cooking fish over charcoal.

01:07:43.800 And I don't understand a lot of what it means,

01:07:46.480 but there's a one point at which Jesus says,

01:07:48.740 when you're young, you dress yourself.

01:07:51.220 I'm paraphrasing, but when you're young,

01:07:52.440 you dress yourself and go wherever you want.

01:07:55.100 But when you're old,

01:07:57.400 others dress you and take you

01:07:58.820 where you don't want to go.

01:08:01.640 And I know that there are, of course,

01:08:03.760 theological meanings that I'm not,

01:08:05.620 probably not smart enough to fully, that means a lot. And I don't understand everything that it

01:08:09.020 means, but on the most literal level, it's true that, you know, there's comes a time for all of

01:08:15.160 us when we lose agency and autonomy and sovereignty and we're dependent on others.

01:08:20.900 And we're so reduced. I'm going to make you emotional thinking about it because it's the

01:08:25.460 nightmare. Jesus describes it as a nightmare, by the way. He doesn't say it's okay. He's like,

01:08:28.940 this is bad. It's going to happen to you. And it's going to happen to all of us. And I just

01:08:33.660 think it's important to keep that ever present. Well, it's a really good reminder to respect and

01:08:39.020 love those who are younger than you and those in your orbit to really pay attention to your

01:08:44.200 children and your extended family. I mean, these are the people you'll be dependent upon when

01:08:50.000 you're older. And that is not a concept that you hear much in America. I mean, we move away from

01:08:55.540 our family members. We move away from our parents when in fact we should be embracing them, learning

01:09:01.180 from them, but also taking care of them. Yes, absolutely. That is really smart. It must be by

01:09:08.380 design. It doesn't happen by accident. Nowhere else has that happened. People live. Well, I was

01:09:13.480 watching Ben Shapiro the other day and he said, if you can't find a job in the town you're from,

01:09:17.240 where your parents are buried, where you spent your whole life, that's on you. Yeah, move out.

01:09:20.900 Yeah, move out. Go somewhere else. Become a migrant. Who do you think you are? You think 0.98

01:09:25.580 you deserve to live in the town you grew up in just because your parents are buried there and

01:09:30.000 your grandparents built it? You think you have some right to that? Don't you understand the

01:09:33.680 rules of capital? Of the globalized economy? Like who? Honestly, the gall. The entitlement.

01:09:42.580 You should reap the benefits of that which you've worked for your entire life and that what your

01:09:46.440 ancestors have worked for. Yeah. Man, I don't think there's anything that's upset me more than

01:09:51.080 that clip. I mean, his many attacks on Jesus, his calls for, you know, slaughtering populations,

01:09:57.620 it just is the bigotry,

01:09:58.940 the cruelty of his program.

01:10:01.040 I don't think anything has made me

01:10:02.940 more enraged than that.

01:10:05.460 Just the kind of like, what?

01:10:06.960 You think you have a right

01:10:08.260 to a community, to a nation?

01:10:11.060 Who do you think you are?

01:10:13.300 This is a concept.

01:10:15.300 Yeah, it's an idea.

01:10:16.360 It's an idea, yeah, exactly.

01:10:18.020 Well, it's a really evil idea.

01:10:19.920 Yes, it is.

01:10:20.320 Is the truth.

01:10:21.340 And not sustainable as we're learning.

01:10:22.860 No, no, not now.

01:10:23.880 Of course, it leads to collapse,

01:10:25.240 which is, of course, the point.

01:10:26.260 Yeah.

01:10:26.440 because it's animated by hatred yes and people who espouse ideas like that are lying they're not

01:10:34.800 ideas it's not a philosophy it's not an ideology it's an expression of hatred toward a population

01:10:38.940 and that's real like nothing's more real than that so um anyway sorry getting a field um i beg

01:10:48.700 your pardon uh so but to trump because i just think it's so interesting what's happened so

01:10:55.620 there are three elections for trump you vote for him in all three yes and you do so not reluctantly

01:11:02.700 but enthusiastically and in fact you and you work for trump you write his speeches at the beginning

01:11:08.460 you know the people around him including his son-in-law and and you you're kind of punished

01:11:15.360 for it by your neighbors and by people you know i'm sure you lose business for doing that

01:11:19.380 but you keep doing it what's the moment where you're like i don't know about this

01:11:26.080 I'd had a few reservations, probably during one I thought actually early on I was confused that he brought in.

01:11:33.240 First, empowered his son-in-law, who I was kindly disposed to and thought was motivated by loyalty to Trump's program and to Trump.

01:11:42.660 And then early on.

01:11:44.060 You knew Jared.

01:11:45.360 I did.

01:11:46.100 Yep.

01:11:47.340 And corresponded with him quite a bit, met with him a number of times during the early administration.

01:11:53.240 One of Trump's obvious...

01:11:55.520 Well, I met Jared through you, so I know you know him.

01:11:58.040 Yeah.

01:11:58.620 One of Trump's obvious deficits to anybody who was looking at him,

01:12:02.360 even if you loved him for being an outsider,

01:12:04.240 you knew that Washington was like a really complicated machinery

01:12:07.660 and you need people who are well-versed in navigating it

01:12:13.360 and making it work because the federal government

01:12:15.780 is just an enormous kind of out-of-control machine.

01:12:18.140 And if you don't have people who understand the levers of power

01:12:21.200 on how to propel your program forward,

01:12:24.220 you will fail.

01:12:25.320 And especially Trump,

01:12:26.420 who had a very adversarial Republican Party,

01:12:30.200 weasels like Paul Ryan,

01:12:31.560 who had been elevated by Trump's victory

01:12:34.160 and was newly the Speaker of the House,

01:12:36.820 hated Trump.

01:12:38.780 And so-

01:12:39.220 Why would Paul Ryan hate Trump?

01:12:41.040 That's a really good question,

01:12:42.580 especially because he should have been

01:12:43.840 really grateful that Trump was in power

01:12:45.540 and thereby his power derived from Trump's success.

01:12:49.380 but none of them

01:12:50.760 none of them

01:12:51.440 seemed to feel that way

01:12:52.340 but Paul Ryan

01:12:52.960 especially hated Trump

01:12:54.220 yes

01:12:54.760 yes he did

01:12:56.520 what

01:12:57.420 what do you think

01:12:58.540 that comes from

01:12:59.200 I think he was a weak man 0.62

01:13:00.320 and a bitter man

01:13:01.120 and boy

01:13:03.320 did he use

01:13:04.160 his obstructionist power

01:13:05.440 to the detriment

01:13:06.300 of not just

01:13:07.360 Donald Trump

01:13:07.880 but the people

01:13:08.380 who had voted

01:13:09.060 for Donald Trump

01:13:10.040 so early on

01:13:13.780 Trump didn't take

01:13:14.780 that seriously

01:13:15.500 one thing that made him

01:13:16.540 super attractive

01:13:17.160 was he was an outside candidate

01:13:18.440 He wasn't a politician.

01:13:19.980 He was a businessman, and he was there for a very specific purpose.

01:13:23.520 And yet, he came in and not only didn't understand how Washington works, he didn't take the appropriate measures to protect himself and his agenda.

01:13:36.340 Instead, he reverted to type and hired a bunch of Goldman Sachs people and billionaires and empowered his son-in-law, who had been a Democrat until the day before.

01:13:47.760 I think through the election, he had been a Democrat and a globalist.

01:13:52.340 And so that was concerning and upsetting.

01:13:54.920 And then the country got completely overwhelmed by the faux controversy around the Russia stuff, which was on its face absurd.

01:14:05.560 If you knew anything about Donald Trump or anything about the campaign, you knew that not only did they not rely upon Russia for help, they had a hard time coalescing their own power.

01:14:15.120 I mean, they were not an organized machine, and they were not aligned with any foreign power.

01:14:22.320 And so that was insane, but it occupied the country.

01:14:26.140 I'm still quite bitter about it, actually, and people don't talk about it.

01:14:29.400 We've suffered so many humiliations on the national stage since that people don't focus on it enough.

01:14:36.560 But it paralyzed the country and paralyzed the administration.

01:14:40.100 And I felt like Trump was responsible for that because leaders need to be able to delegate and they need to recognize where their weaknesses are and they need to account for those weaknesses.

01:14:53.420 And he didn't.

01:14:55.240 And he empowered a lot of people he shouldn't have empowered.

01:14:58.120 So I was dispirited during the early administration.

01:15:02.400 It was clear to me and anybody else who was watching that he was going to win re-election despite all the COVID stuff.

01:15:10.100 And at that time, we didn't know the details, how complicit Trump was by empowering the pharmaceutical companies during COVID, how responsible he actually was for that offense, that biological war against the country that he's supposed to lead.

01:15:28.820 At that time, I think most people and I was sympathetic to Trump, the position that he was in.

01:15:34.280 um and then when so it was clear that he was going to win re-election i thought it was clear that he

01:15:42.480 won re-election on election eve i mean he was over the top i mean the numbers were there for him

01:15:49.360 he won until they stepped in and took it away from him so and then i thought he acted crazily i mean

01:15:56.080 who is who is they the summer of love with george floyd which was obviously a complete scam uh the 0.97

01:16:03.480 The man was killed, unfortunately, but he had stuffed a bunch of fentanyl on his ass, and he was upright and forthright with the cops who showed up on the scene. 0.92

01:16:13.100 The famous video started actually minutes before when he'd come out of the store, and he was sitting in his car with those two other people, and he tried to pass the counterfeit dollars, and he said to the cop, I cannot breathe. 0.98

01:16:26.540 So it was clear that it was a manufactured crisis from the beginning. 0.77

01:16:30.780 It was designed to divide America and it was designed to get rid of white cops, get rid of white cops, repertory to whatever's coming next. 0.94

01:16:38.860 Yes, very much so. And the left's, you know, Antifa hordes took over neighborhoods in America, destroyed statues, killed people, destroyed businesses, ran rampant all over the country, but also in Washington, D.C., where Trump was president. 0.93

01:16:55.160 He didn't have any natural allies in the media, of course.

01:16:58.560 They distorted it.

01:16:59.420 They lied about it.

01:17:00.340 That was clear.

01:17:02.120 But Trump is the chief executive.

01:17:03.940 Trump is the president of the United States.

01:17:05.780 And yet he failed to exercise his power and to quell the riots.

01:17:11.600 He failed to articulate what was going on.

01:17:14.080 He failed to defend a law enforcement officer who was still riding in prison, by the way, who was wrongfully prosecuted.

01:17:21.320 and, you know, obscured the original report

01:17:27.200 that demonstrated that Floyd had died

01:17:29.020 from a fentanyl overdose.

01:17:31.520 But really, he failed to exercise his power.

01:17:34.000 Trump did.

01:17:34.580 He failed to-

01:17:35.200 He still had a riot outside his house.

01:17:37.020 Yes.

01:17:37.360 I called him at that time. 1.00

01:17:38.860 Like, dude, you cannot allow people

01:17:40.720 to set things on fire across from your house.

01:17:43.700 You're the president. 0.89

01:17:44.400 Like the oldest Episcopal church in-

01:17:46.540 St. John's.

01:17:47.140 ... country, yeah.

01:17:49.120 So he abetted that.

01:17:51.320 By weakness or indecision or whatever, it doesn't matter.

01:17:55.020 He failed in his job to reassert power and control, and he failed to articulate what was at stake.

01:18:00.780 And he failed to protect himself and his countrymen and his physical country.

01:18:05.480 So, yes, I was upset about that.

01:18:08.780 And then he won re-election.

01:18:11.820 He won re-election and was taken from him.

01:18:14.600 But even his efforts to galvanize support throughout the country, to direct the FBI, to investigate, to direct the Department of Homeland Security, to articulate clearly that it had been stolen. 0.87

01:18:30.880 He just kept repeating silly talking points that weren't that compelling and made him look crazy.

01:18:35.640 But he failed to use the power at his hand. 0.95

01:18:40.140 And then, of course, it was taken away from him and he sulked off into ignominy.

01:18:44.040 He was impeached but not convicted.

01:18:47.620 And then he went off into the wilderness where he soon started raising an enormous amount of money.

01:18:53.880 And my understanding is that he raised over a billion dollars during those wilderness years.

01:18:59.060 And every time he spoke about it, it was all about Donald Trump's personal woes, which were significant because these people were not only trying to crush him legally and abuse the judicial system against him.

01:19:12.580 in Florida and Georgia and New York, famously.

01:19:16.940 But it was all about Donald Trump.

01:19:19.340 It was all about the Donald Trump's suffering.

01:19:21.420 It was never about the people that had gone there

01:19:25.100 with legitimate license to protest against an election

01:19:29.960 that was stolen from them, stolen from them in front of them.

01:19:34.900 These people were exercising their First Amendment rights

01:19:37.780 to speech and assembly.

01:19:40.200 And they were crushed by their own government

01:19:41.980 And they were crushed by people within their own party and the other party.

01:19:45.680 They were crushed by law enforcement.

01:19:47.160 They were abetted by the military. 0.51

01:19:48.720 They were abetted, of course, by the media and the corporate losers all over the country.

01:19:52.680 So there was a major headwind.

01:19:55.700 But Trump has the strongest voice in the country.

01:19:57.760 Even then, people listened to what Trump said.

01:20:00.380 Trump could have an impromptu press conference wherever he went.

01:20:03.200 Whatever Donald Trump said was worthy of listening to.

01:20:05.500 So he had the biggest microphone in the country.

01:20:08.120 And he never once utilized that for the benefit of the Americans who'd supported him, not only in 16, not only throughout the entire Russian nonsense, not only throughout the George Floyd nonsense, but through the election in 2020.

01:20:21.680 That gave me a lot of pause.

01:20:23.760 I was like, what kind of reprehensible human being would not, it's the most basic thing to protect your friends and in politics, your supporters, but anybody who's on your side and your fellow Americans.

01:20:35.900 and he had a lot of power to do so

01:20:37.840 and he didn't exercise that power

01:20:39.620 on behalf of anyone else

01:20:40.780 it was all about Donald Trump

01:20:42.500 so there was a period

01:20:45.560 you're making my heart beat fast

01:20:47.900 sorry I was

01:20:49.120 no you're right

01:20:49.800 hadn't tapped into this emotion in quite some time

01:20:52.140 a lot of people are having this discussion

01:20:54.820 now in the context of Trump's obvious betrayal

01:20:58.580 of the American public

01:21:00.220 not just his voters

01:21:01.180 but the people who thought

01:21:03.660 16, 20, and certainly 24 were absolutely existential elections and that there was no other person on the planet who could come in and right the ship, return sanity to our great country to save our country.

01:21:21.060 is like the last opportunity on every front.

01:21:23.900 Like we're crumbling, we've got these enemies within,

01:21:27.460 we've got these enemies all over the world

01:21:29.740 who'd taken advantage of us during the Biden years 0.93

01:21:31.780 because we had such a weak and incompetent 0.79

01:21:34.260 and obviously joke of a presidency. 0.86

01:21:36.420 And all these people around Biden

01:21:38.900 who had wielded his power in his name

01:21:42.460 to destroy this country.

01:21:45.020 So Trump was legitimately the last hope in 24.

01:21:49.180 But before that, in 2021 and 22, when he was raising all this money and it was the Donald Trump, you know, victimhood show, he had failed when it mattered to articulate what Americans were protesting during January 6th, to articulate that it was actually a conspiracy by the federal government, abetted by all of these other big interests.

01:22:15.800 Yeah, I'm the one who put those tapes out there.

01:22:17.960 Oh, I'm aware.

01:22:18.480 I don't know how it fell to me, but yeah.

01:22:20.280 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:20.760 I'm like some stupid cable news employee. 1.00

01:22:22.920 Right. 1.00

01:22:23.180 You have, you're just a, you're a truth seeker.

01:22:25.560 Yeah, but I mean.

01:22:26.480 That's it.

01:22:27.220 But you have no institutional power. 0.99

01:22:29.040 No, it's like a dumb cable news show. 0.97

01:22:31.360 Who cares, right? 0.94

01:22:32.380 But what's the point of having law enforcement?

01:22:34.160 What's the point of having a military?

01:22:35.260 That's the point of making it exactly.

01:22:37.300 What's the point of having a judiciary if you can't rely upon them to protect the Constitution

01:22:40.360 and protect the Americans who abide by it and pay their taxes and work hard and raise their families and love this country?

01:22:47.800 And so Trump failed on a monumental level at that time.

01:22:53.620 That was after COVID.

01:22:56.600 Now, you said something really interesting.

01:22:58.440 You didn't take the vax.

01:23:00.160 Thank God.

01:23:00.740 Literally, thank God.

01:23:01.940 Never once considered it.

01:23:02.940 I didn't either.

01:23:03.620 So obviously a sham.

01:23:04.760 Thank God.

01:23:06.580 But Trump did and encouraged everyone else to take it and then never apologized, even

01:23:12.260 when it became clear that the vax had killed hundreds of thousands of people around the

01:23:15.420 world and there's never really been studied in this country but we can extrapolate and assume

01:23:19.340 it killed i mean it killed people i know me too so um i know young men now who took it who have

01:23:25.660 myocarditis and other for sure weird cancer it was poison look at the cancer rates look at the

01:23:31.080 fertility rates like everything about it was a bioweapon aimed at us yes and trump didn't

01:23:37.380 apologize for that i don't know all the things that i've just ignored or forced myself to ignore

01:23:41.480 whatever my flaws come out as i remember all of this and my shame emerges well-deserved shame but

01:23:51.480 anyway trump is completely absent shame about it he to this day will still talk about the success

01:23:57.160 of operation warp speed which allowed these things to come to market which allowed the you know what

01:24:01.880 he said to me i actually raised it with him because i'm so upset about it it's just killed

01:24:05.260 too many people and it made too many women infertile and that's just the most evil thing

01:24:08.720 ever and it's still on the schedule and this is so immoral it's hard to believe this is even

01:24:13.920 happening but um he did exactly the same thing again it's my fault for not being like whoa that's

01:24:20.600 a red line i can't cross it but he did the same thing he did on the iran war when i talked about

01:24:25.960 the iran war you say well like this is hurting all these people he's like you don't believe in

01:24:28.880 the polio vaccine like that was a good vaccine don't you think it's like i guess i believe in

01:24:33.460 the polio i don't know i mean but that's not what we're talking about it doesn't the polio vaccine

01:24:37.340 is a totally different thing.

01:24:39.880 I mean, I don't even know enough about it,

01:24:42.000 even though we grew up next to the Salk Institute.

01:24:45.440 It's like, what does that have to do with it?

01:24:47.240 You mentioned Iran.

01:24:48.120 He's like, do you think they should have nuclear weapons?

01:24:50.300 No, I don't think, not for nuclear weapons in general,

01:24:53.640 but it was a non sequitur designed

01:24:55.860 to shut down the conversation.

01:24:58.540 And the same tactic that's been employed

01:25:00.680 by his political adversaries his entire political life.

01:25:04.040 So it's like, really?

01:25:05.960 You're going to misquote?

01:25:06.780 You're going to misdirect.

01:25:07.760 You're going to, yes, dishonest.

01:25:12.400 Construct a straw man.

01:25:13.660 Yes, there we go. 1.00

01:25:14.860 Well, you're an inter-Semite? 0.99

01:25:16.220 You're racist? 0.97

01:25:18.080 Do you think Iran should have nuclear weapons? 0.94

01:25:19.740 Are you pro-Islam?

01:25:21.660 No, I'm an Episcopalian. 0.93

01:25:23.460 Leave me alone.

01:25:24.560 I mean, what?

01:25:25.860 I saw data yesterday that said 80% of Americans took the kill shot.

01:25:30.520 Seven million babies have been compelled to have this shot this year alone.

01:25:34.940 This year?

01:25:35.520 This year alone.

01:25:37.740 Yeah.

01:25:38.300 And every medical, every doctor.

01:25:40.460 Are you being serious?

01:25:41.280 I'm being totally serious.

01:25:42.760 Every new med student who comes out of doctoring school is compelled to take it.

01:25:50.640 Hospitals are still pushing it.

01:25:51.300 So you've got to commit an abortion and take the mRNA shot before you can become a doctor.

01:25:55.700 I wonder why doctors are like the worst people in America.

01:25:59.880 Because they break them at the outset.

01:26:02.420 Exactly.

01:26:02.840 They make them complicit in a true crime.

01:26:05.060 Yes. 0.99

01:26:05.300 And once you're complicit, it's like you can't join MS-13 until you kill somebody. 1.00

01:26:08.920 You can't be an OBGYN until you murder a baby. 0.98

01:26:11.880 Then you're like in on it. 0.99

01:26:13.020 You can't wear the Hells Angels patch until you shot someone in the face and got gonorrhea.

01:26:18.180 Okay.

01:26:20.280 No, it's so right.

01:26:23.260 Yeah, there's almost too much.

01:26:24.580 Sorry.

01:26:27.280 You're working me up into a frenzy.

01:26:29.100 Sorry, me too.

01:26:29.860 I'd shelved some of this for so long.

01:26:31.540 Okay, so that's kind of my question.

01:26:32.860 So this all happens in COVID.

01:26:34.080 you're a COVID dissenter, you're an honest man who believes in actual health. You're not taking

01:26:40.080 the shot. Your family's not taking the shot. But Trump is encouraging the shot and then is still

01:26:46.880 encouraging the shot and they're still giving it out under the Trump administration. Was this a

01:26:50.460 red flag for you or are you just like, oh, it's too much. I can't deal with this. It's really so

01:26:53.720 hard to keep track of it because at the same time, the entire world seems like it's crumbling all

01:26:58.520 the time. Seems like we live during the twilight zone, during the Biden administration. Everything

01:27:02.960 thing was like a daily offense. Really?

01:27:04.900 Could that be happening? Are there no adults around?

01:27:07.340 Like, no one's going to... Tearing down all statues 0.98

01:27:09.040 to whites. Yes. Replacing them with 0.95

01:27:10.980 like... The judicial system has become

01:27:12.780 totally corrupt and frightening. Exactly.

01:27:15.060 Jury trial is like a nightmare

01:27:16.640 scenario. Yeah. I mean...

01:27:18.740 You don't have any peers left in America

01:27:20.640 to try you?

01:27:23.900 Jury of your peers.

01:27:25.380 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

01:27:27.580 Oh, man. No, you're right.

01:27:29.280 There's just a cascade of tragedy,

01:27:30.920 so it's like hard to think about. You've got to earn

01:27:32.840 living at the same time and protect your family and your children while all of these offenses

01:27:36.940 are going on, it's really hard to keep up. But when you start thinking about the things that

01:27:40.800 Trump had done, especially when you're looking back now on the incredible, not just betrayal,

01:27:46.900 but his sense of disdain for the people that had worked on his behalf, for the people who

01:27:55.280 believed in him, for the people who had sacrificed so much. And it really is hard to know, hard to

01:28:00.320 remember now, but it was only a couple of years ago if you said you were a Trump administration,

01:28:04.440 if you were a Trump voter, Trump fan, people had license to, like, beat you up in public and take 0.98

01:28:11.300 your stuff, smash you in the face, take your hat off your head. Like, that was the prevailing 0.97

01:28:16.100 attitude in America, and it was allowed to continue. Like, law enforcement would never

01:28:21.100 come to your rescue. It's like, oh, it's like the age-old thing. Oh, you wear a slutty outfit,

01:28:25.760 So, you're being raped. 1.00

01:28:27.160 It's like, oh, you wore Trump paraphernalia. 0.99

01:28:29.280 Therefore, you know that you're going out in public and someone's going to assault you.

01:28:32.860 Like, that was pretty much the law of the land during so many years, I think.

01:28:37.760 It's my perspective about it.

01:28:40.980 Well, you're literally true.

01:28:42.700 Yeah.

01:28:42.960 Literally true.

01:28:43.900 Yeah.

01:28:44.540 Terrifying.

01:28:45.520 So, I didn't focus on it.

01:28:48.320 And also, you know, it's a binary choice.

01:28:50.880 You're right.

01:28:51.220 Who is going to run this country? 0.98

01:28:52.440 It wasn't, obviously, Cackling Camel Toe was not going to be entrusted with power. 0.96

01:28:57.680 Who is Cackling Camel Toe? 1.00

01:28:59.600 She's that. 1.00

01:29:01.420 Was she on the ballot?

01:29:02.600 I actually voted in this election.

01:29:04.420 Don't normally do it. 1.00

01:29:05.300 I didn't see any Cackling Camel Toe on the roster. 1.00

01:29:09.020 She was that Jamaican lady who, you know, was the AG of California. 1.00

01:29:13.140 Oh, Carmela Harris. 1.00

01:29:13.600 Yes, that one. 0.99

01:29:14.940 The woman who couldn't pronounce her own first name consistently? 0.65

01:29:17.460 Literally. 0.93

01:29:18.060 Three or four different pronunciations.

01:29:19.660 Her husband's hammered all the time and not in a good way. 0.95

01:29:24.280 Her husband's like smacking women around. 0.77

01:29:28.760 And also probably on the other team, I think. 0.97

01:29:32.680 Demonstratively so.

01:29:33.620 I mean, I never.

01:29:34.420 But it was a joke and it was an in-your-face offense daily.

01:29:38.680 Like, I mean, these are the people who employed Corrine Jean-Pierre at the White House podium, right?

01:29:44.460 I totally forgot about her.

01:29:46.000 I mean, we grew up at a time where serious people presumed to speak on behalf of the President of the United States.

01:29:52.220 Yeah.

01:29:52.480 The President of the United States was like, had some decorum, a ton.

01:29:56.340 He was the daddy, you know?

01:29:58.340 Even if you didn't agree with the President of the United States, you kind of respected him.

01:30:02.200 I mean, he's got all this power invested in him on your behalf.

01:30:06.700 And every word mattered.

01:30:08.400 Every word was parsed.

01:30:09.620 And the people who spoke on his behalf were serious people.

01:30:13.320 And my entire life, they were serious people.

01:30:16.000 So maybe it's inevitable that you get, once the patriarchy has been overthrown as it has been, do you get a president like this who's emotional, all about himself, is perpetually the victim?

01:30:28.480 Remember they used to say the president's most valuable commodity was his time?

01:30:34.380 Yeah.

01:30:34.980 That's the most valuable thing the president has.

01:30:37.620 What does he focus on?

01:30:38.760 How does he spend his time?

01:30:40.080 He's got a finite amount of time.

01:30:41.740 What does he focus on?

01:30:42.800 And with Trump, you're like, oh, he's focusing on the iTunes background music for his thing.

01:30:48.940 He's focusing on the, you know, new Arc de Triomphe to Trump that he's putting up at the end of Memorial Bridge.

01:30:55.620 He's focusing on the ballroom.

01:30:58.440 It's like, are you serious?

01:31:00.520 No.

01:31:00.860 Get real and get serious about your responsibilities.

01:31:04.560 And no one ever says anything about that.

01:31:07.460 In fact, these days I find this is a new phenomenon I've never encountered.

01:31:12.800 You attack Trump on the basis of substantive policy decisions that he's made, betrayals that are obvious and quantifiable, and you will get people in your face saying, how dare you attack the president?

01:31:25.860 Are you serious?

01:31:27.280 That guy works for me.

01:31:28.720 That guy works for you. 1.00

01:31:29.940 Yeah, listen up, bitch. 1.00

01:31:30.900 Yeah. 1.00

01:31:31.460 I'm sorry.

01:31:32.240 No, your opinion matters.

01:31:34.040 My opinion matters.

01:31:35.000 Every American's opinion matters.

01:31:36.840 We should be heard.

01:31:37.880 We should be respected.

01:31:39.660 And no way am I going to be kowtowed and not saying the obvious, which is this guy has failed in his responsibility.

01:31:48.020 He is disdainful towards the American people.

01:31:50.400 He's disdainful towards the people who put him in office and the people who sacrificed a lot real physical and economic injury to get this man in office. 0.99

01:31:59.380 and to witness the vitriol and the moronic, the moronacy and just the never ending me, 0.98

01:32:07.900 me, me, me, me, and you're not with me. 0.96

01:32:10.280 I'll define what the program is now once I'm in office.

01:32:13.020 It doesn't work that way.

01:32:14.320 You define the program before you run for president.

01:32:16.860 People attach themselves not to you as a person.

01:32:19.280 They attach themselves to your program for their benefit.

01:32:23.160 And that's the whole point.

01:32:25.060 So, yeah, I'm mad about it.

01:32:27.680 So when, what was the breaking point for you as someone who had a Trump bumper sticker, wrote his speeches, voted for him three times, wore the Trump t-shirt, wore the MAGA hat in Northwest DC? What was the point at which you'd, and who also has acknowledged that like for a decade, attacking Trump, hating Trump, being mad at Trump were all kind of markers for attitudes that were anti-American, anti-white, anti-you.

01:32:54.980 Absolutely.

01:32:55.500 So, like, for you to be criticizing Trump in public and to feel as vehemently as you do, you're certainly in justification.

01:33:03.280 I think you've shown that.

01:33:04.700 But to say it is another question.

01:33:07.400 Like, what was the point at which you decided, like, I can't be part of this?

01:33:11.520 Part of it is the rebirth he had in 24.

01:33:15.660 It was just the, I mean, you could discard as irrelevant a lot of the attacks on Trump because they became just like background noise.

01:33:26.180 Oh, he said this.

01:33:27.080 Oh, he even early on when he, oh, he asked Hillary, he asked the Russians to steal Hillary's emails when that clearly wasn't what he said.

01:33:34.460 That was clearly wrong.

01:33:35.480 Oh, he is a white supremacist and he's never denounced these people. 0.97

01:33:40.440 I mean, all of that stuff took on, it was such universal background noise that you'd be like, okay, you're absurd. 0.99

01:33:46.540 Anybody who says something like that, you're just a liar. 1.00

01:33:49.040 You're dumb. 1.00

01:33:49.920 It doesn't even mean anything. 1.00

01:33:50.400 He's a racist. 0.94

01:33:51.600 It doesn't mean anything. 0.91

01:33:54.100 But then legitimately upset about his failure to stand up for America and Americans during the George Floyd thing.

01:34:01.760 His complete abnegation of responsibility with January 6th political prisoners.

01:34:09.060 But he pardoned them.

01:34:10.440 Oh, he did pardon them. He did. And that represented the first time that he'd ever stuck up for them.

01:34:17.320 And what really mattered is when they were, you know, rotting in prison with no constitutional guarantees of a speedy trial or hygienic conditions or ability to eat real food or not being assaulted by cockroaches or, you know, prison guards who used them as sport.

01:34:34.680 And it was completely not only allowed, tolerated, but expected and even celebrated in the media and by Republican elected officials, many of whom are still in Congress, by the way.

01:34:49.200 So there was that.

01:34:50.700 But he, yes, he pardoned them once he was in office.

01:34:52.960 But my understanding from several people, I remember witnessing it at the time because I was upset that he said nothing on their behalf.

01:34:59.180 Again, that's the power he could have wielded when he was in the wilderness.

01:35:02.780 He could have talked about them first and foremost.

01:35:04.960 He could have informed people about the conditions they were in, and he could have supported them.

01:35:09.160 But he also could have supported them with the huge financial cash that had been flooding in to him personally because he never stopped raising money.

01:35:16.580 He raised an enormous amount of money in the wilderness years, and he spent not a dollar of it for the benefit of those people.

01:35:22.400 Didn't pay for their legal fees.

01:35:24.440 Didn't take out advertisements on their behalf.

01:35:26.640 Didn't do anything that he should have done, that anybody with a lot less resources would have done.

01:35:33.320 So, I forgot your question.

01:35:36.520 Forgive me.

01:35:37.800 Given all of that.

01:35:38.820 Oh, but he pardoned them.

01:35:39.880 But he originally pardoned them.

01:35:40.940 Yes.

01:35:41.440 But it took an enormous amount.

01:35:42.900 There's someone named Suzanne Monks, who was a very active advocate on their behalf.

01:35:48.600 I think she's a wife of a fellow who was incarcerated.

01:35:51.540 I may be getting that wrong, but she was dogged and persistent throughout all of it.

01:35:57.500 And she claims now, and I believe it, she's reminding people at the moment that the Trump we have now that has betrayed his base and well beyond his base, every other American who relies upon him to steward this country with sobriety and concern for them first and foremost and only, that it wasn't easy to get Trump to pardon them.

01:36:20.700 that she had to personally rally people,

01:36:24.400 and you were helpful in this,

01:36:26.080 to push his hand, to force his hand,

01:36:29.340 to make it untenable for him not to pardon them.

01:36:33.200 And so he did.

01:36:34.220 I did do that.

01:36:35.220 I talked to him about that.

01:36:36.200 I know you did.

01:36:37.000 Just on principle, I didn't, you know, whatever.

01:36:38.800 But you say on principle.

01:36:40.320 It's a principle that you have.

01:36:41.460 It's not a principle that Donald Trump had.

01:36:43.260 You've got to fight injustice.

01:36:44.540 That's the whole point of leadership.

01:36:45.900 Yes, very much so.

01:36:47.000 Is to help your people.

01:36:48.760 And to the extent you can,

01:36:49.540 like we're never going to defeat injustice.

01:36:51.100 It's the state of the world,

01:36:52.080 but you have to keep trying.

01:36:53.660 Yeah, you do what you can.

01:36:54.840 And he had a lot in his arsenal to do that.

01:36:57.520 And he did it.

01:36:58.760 And it's pretty easy,

01:36:59.560 as he's demonstrated,

01:37:00.620 to sign documents.

01:37:02.360 Pretty easy to sign executive orders,

01:37:06.780 whatever power they have.

01:37:08.700 But so it wasn't a lot of skin off

01:37:11.120 Donald Trump's back to do that.

01:37:13.360 He did the right thing.

01:37:14.480 And I applaud him for it,

01:37:15.400 just as I applaud him for closing the border.

01:37:17.660 It's like those two things.

01:37:19.540 I can't really think of many other things that he's done.

01:37:22.540 I can't think of anything else, really, that he's done since he's been in office now for a year and a half.

01:37:30.900 So he did the right thing eventually under great pressure, and good for him for doing it.

01:37:36.760 But he could have done it a lot earlier.

01:37:38.500 It could have made a much greater impact for the benefit of those Americans who were not rich, who were not well-known, who were motivated by completely reasonable and constitutionally protected outrage over what had been done to them.

01:37:55.060 I mean, they are representative of not just Trump voters, America and Americans, the best kind of people, I think.

01:38:05.700 And to see them, by the way, in the background, I know it didn't get a lot of news at the time.

01:38:10.420 Periodically, it would.

01:38:13.180 No time in American history has the FBI been rallied with such vigor and focus and economic empowerment, like, to go in and root out these supposed, you know, criminals.

01:38:28.560 What had they done?

01:38:29.440 They had walked on the grounds of the U.S. Capitol.

01:38:33.200 The People's House.

01:38:34.040 Exactly.

01:38:34.520 And then they'd gone back home to their hometowns to take care of their children and their jobs, and they would have manhunts, like publicized manhunts with, you know, 30 guys in SWAT gear and helicopters in their neighborhoods. 0.84

01:38:47.100 Arrest the unarmed whites. 0.91

01:38:48.220 Yeah, got it. 1.00

01:38:49.220 Yeah.

01:38:50.060 Meanwhile, all of our cities are crumbling, and Washington, D.C. was like a free-for-all for gangs and carjackers and people walking around with guns in public.

01:38:58.800 It's okay for the criminals to have guns, but God forbid there would be some hardworking taxpayer exercising his right in the Second Amendment and the First Amendment.

01:39:06.880 So the two foundational freedoms in our country, and Trump was unwilling to protect them in any meaningful manner until he signed their pardons.

01:39:15.640 Again, good for him for doing so, but he still failed in that responsibility as far as I'm concerned.

01:39:21.120 So what was the breaking point for you?

01:39:22.660 really initially it was the the attack on the attack on iran initially last year when i guess

01:39:35.000 we successfully eradicated all of their nuclear capability you aware because it was still i'd

01:39:39.960 heard that it may still be on the the white house website because it was on there as even when we

01:39:45.200 engaged in this latest war with iran this unnecessary what will be probably a forever

01:39:51.480 war that will has killed americans and is going to degrade us as a country um significantly already

01:39:58.280 has um it was that and then it was his reaction well his complete failure uh the first year to

01:40:06.820 hold anybody to account for all of the crimes the obvious crimes all of the things that had been

01:40:13.340 exposed from russia to covid policy to the january 6 stuff i mean all of that has been demonstrably

01:40:21.260 revealed to be the Capitol Hill pipe bombers, Capitol Hill pipe bombers, all of the the Biden

01:40:28.280 era corruption, the auto pen scandals, the preemptive pardons, the the people who had abused

01:40:35.560 their national security credentials and their their positions of power to hurt Americans.

01:40:41.280 That is all laid out, laid out even by his own intelligence officers.

01:40:45.300 Tulsi Gabbard, you know, a year ago revealed that Barack Obama was directly guilty, I believe, of treason.

01:40:54.360 I don't know how you could say it in any other way.

01:40:56.180 A former president who advocated and financed and allowed his national security apparatus to survey and obstruct and take out a sitting U.S. president, who, again, is not a man.

01:41:10.180 He is representative of the power that we invest in him as Americans.

01:41:13.780 So it's not an offense against Donald Trump.

01:41:16.440 It's an offense against you and me and everybody we know.

01:41:20.400 So his complete failure to utilize the information that he had at his fingertips and in Justice

01:41:26.800 Department and, by the way, U.S. Congress, U.S. Senate, three levers of power supposedly

01:41:33.220 designed at his disposal to enforce the law, to restore sanity, to hold people accountable

01:41:40.260 for breaking the rules to the detriment of our country and Americans, and he failed to do that.

01:41:46.100 And then he attacked Iran.

01:41:49.080 Then Charlie, I guess there are many other things in between, but once Charlie Kirk was murdered,

01:41:56.600 I feel like he failed on a tonal level.

01:42:00.060 I don't feel that he displayed enough real sympathy or focus on finding Charlie Kirk's death.

01:42:13.580 I mean, killers, forgive me.

01:42:16.100 On solving the crime, on using the entire apparatus of the U.S. government to solve this crime in a way that would allay people's fears of a conspiracy or other things going on.

01:42:27.620 Donald Trump should have gotten up and given a press conference and said, we are going to find out who's responsible for this.

01:42:33.320 It doesn't matter what the end results show.

01:42:36.120 We have a responsibility as a public figure who was publicly assassinated, and we're not going to tolerate this.

01:42:43.740 And whoever's responsible for it is going to be brought to justice.

01:42:46.860 And he totally failed to do that.

01:42:48.320 I think he failed to articulate that.

01:42:51.440 And he failed to use, again, the apparatus that is entrusted to him to do that.

01:42:57.300 And it's a huge apparatus, by the way, which while the rest of America is degrading and getting less effective, I think we have a very effective, very clued in surveillance and technology and well-funded U.S. military and law enforcement apparatus that knows every detail about Americans at all times.

01:43:17.420 They can reconstruct. They could tell, you know, if you were in the Capitol during January 6th through a whole variety of means, but your cell phone primarily, they know who was there. They know who's everywhere. They know where you are at all times. They can listen in on you, but they can certainly pinpoint where you've been and what you've done. So why wouldn't you utilize that power to the benefit of justice?

01:43:39.780 yeah i mean the director of national intelligence the head of the counterterrorism center like

01:43:46.640 yeah these are people who are appointed by you to root out corruption um to you know fight back

01:43:54.500 against foreign threats make america safer but yeah defend our defend our citizens against not

01:44:00.980 just attack but foreign attack if there's any element of foreign involvement here which it

01:44:05.800 seems early on there was. And then the fact that he, sorry, can I continue this answer only because

01:44:14.400 it makes me so mad. The weird dynamics surrounding Charlie Kirk's death, the investigation,

01:44:24.540 the initial press conference held by the supposed head of the FBI, Kash Patel, who said a lot of

01:44:32.180 nonsensical things behind that podium, and no one has ever explained it.

01:44:37.420 What does it mean to see, I'll see you in Valhalla, Charlie?

01:44:41.180 What is the significance of the number 33?

01:44:44.280 What does that mean?

01:44:45.680 I don't know.

01:44:46.460 No one's ever been compelled to answer that question, but Kash Patel stood at the podium

01:44:50.680 and made a very big point.

01:44:52.900 He could have made a lot of points.

01:44:54.620 First of all, they released video of the supposed killer, Tyler Robinson, jumping off like a

01:45:01.160 20-foot roof was very bad quality video,

01:45:05.220 even though they had high quality video on that entire campus.

01:45:08.020 They released this ridiculous, absurd 1973 quality VHS tape video 0.61

01:45:13.380 of the supposed killer. 0.50

01:45:16.300 They released all of his supposed text messages

01:45:19.080 that detail all of the...

01:45:22.020 If you were looking to incriminate yourself,

01:45:24.620 if you had gotten away with the perfect crime,

01:45:27.200 then you inexplicably decided to write down everything,

01:45:30.200 every incriminating detail of your crime.

01:45:34.680 We're supposed to believe that he did that.

01:45:36.880 We're supposed to believe that the guy in the crowd,

01:45:39.680 George Zinn, who'd been in various other hotspots

01:45:43.180 like the Boston Marathon bombing,

01:45:44.820 and he'd been a witness at 9-11,

01:45:47.020 that George Zinn is going to just immediately erupt

01:45:50.060 out of his seat, take his trousers off,

01:45:53.400 and run down screaming, waving his hands,

01:45:55.200 saying, I shot Charlie, like within the first 30 seconds of it.

01:46:00.200 Right. Like you wouldn't if you wanted people to believe feels a little Jack Ruby.

01:46:05.200 It does very much. So I was expecting him to Tyler Robinson to be visited in prison by Louis Doyle and West.

01:46:11.900 Yes, exactly. I pronounce you crazy. 0.99

01:46:15.100 And then you have an inexplicable fast acting cancer that kills you within six months. 0.99

01:46:19.820 Oh, that's normal. But sorry, back to the Kash Patel thing, the fact that he gave this press conference that was devoid of any real detail that you would want.

01:46:29.560 in the aftermath of this public execution,

01:46:32.840 but then to emphasize things that seem so random

01:46:36.340 and inexplicable, like Valhalla.

01:46:38.840 Who the hell knows what Valhalla is?

01:46:40.600 And how is it appropriate to this conversation?

01:46:42.340 Well, the Scandinavians, we know what Valhalla is,

01:46:43.860 which is, you know, it's the Norse heaven.

01:46:46.240 It's a pagan understanding of heaven.

01:46:48.500 Yes.

01:46:48.980 Right?

01:46:49.480 So Charlie Kirk is a serious, orthodox, 0.98

01:46:54.640 you know, lowercase o, Christian. 0.91

01:46:56.740 He's like a real Bible-believing Christian. 0.60

01:46:58.740 Yes.

01:46:58.980 He does not believe in Valhalla.

01:47:01.060 He rejects Valhalla.

01:47:02.520 Yes. 0.98

01:47:02.740 Like that's ridiculous actually to say that about a Christian man. 0.97

01:47:06.420 Valhalla? 0.98

01:47:07.340 Yes.

01:47:08.340 No, we're monotheists who believe in Jesus.

01:47:10.720 There's no Valhalla in my world.

01:47:12.380 Yes.

01:47:13.020 Why would you say that?

01:47:14.800 And no one's ever held him to account.

01:47:16.360 He's never felt compelled to explain that.

01:47:18.620 Or the emphasis on 33.

01:47:20.780 It took 33 hours to bring this guy to justice.

01:47:23.480 And then he repeated it several times.

01:47:25.540 i don't know i literally have no idea so everything surrounding it creates obviously

01:47:34.880 unrest and disillusionment and anger can i say my favorite line we had dinner with russell brand

01:47:41.620 at home last night obviously you were there and his his line that you know the thing about lone

01:47:47.940 gunmen is they always seem to assassinate people who challenge institutional power it's kind of

01:47:54.740 amazing. Your average lone gunman just goes out, who knows why, and kills people who are

01:48:00.400 criticizing the people in charge. Maybe the people in charge should connect with the lone

01:48:06.440 gunman community. Kind of like McDonald's and Coca-Cola got together. It's just like a natural

01:48:10.800 partnership. Have they ever thought of that? Sorry, I shouldn't be laughing with the murder

01:48:17.720 of a friend of mine, but like it is. The absurdity is so in your face. But it's, yeah,

01:48:23.420 The lone gunman, yeah.

01:48:24.940 That's incredible.

01:48:26.420 The lone gunman never take out anyone who's helping establish power.

01:48:31.260 You ever notice that?

01:48:32.600 Oh, I have.

01:48:33.700 You'd think they'd stop using the lone gunman.

01:48:35.500 They've used him so often.

01:48:42.420 But it was the war that finally scrambled your eggs.

01:48:47.300 Yes. 0.66

01:48:47.960 Yes, the war, Charlie, and then, of course, the Epstein files.

01:48:53.020 Oh, the Epstein files.

01:48:54.020 The Epstein files, the JFK files, the 9-11 files, all things that he had committed to showing to the American people who actually own it and have every right to know the details about that huge terrorist attack and the assassination of our president. 0.59

01:49:09.320 And obviously the Epstein network, which not only had a ton of victims, but obviously represented hidden power over our elected leaders.

01:49:19.860 So Trump had committed to doing all three of those things.

01:49:22.900 He's done none of them. But beyond just abdicating his power, he was disdainful of those.

01:49:31.740 This is when he first started defining MAGA, Make America Great Again, as Donald Trump the man, like investing within himself in almost biblical fashion.

01:49:43.500 Like, no, MAGA is not what I articulated clearly and coherently for 10, 12 years in public life and as president of the United States.

01:49:51.160 MAGA is what I say it is today, tomorrow morning, anytime during the day because I'm Donald Trump, so I will determine what is MAGA.

01:49:58.420 And further, if you consider yourself to be allied with this political coalition that I created over a decade, then I don't need you.

01:50:10.320 If you're insisting upon transparency and the things, you're insisting upon me making good on the promises that I made to you in this, you know, relationship that we have.

01:50:23.140 I promise you something.

01:50:24.220 You vote me into office so I can effectuate the change that you voted for. 1.00

01:50:28.340 Then if you're insisting upon that, then you're a flipping kook and I don't need you. 0.95

01:50:33.760 So it was really at that moment when that was his response to the Epstein files. 0.87

01:50:39.180 And then when he engaged in the most ham-handed PR stunt I've ever seen, which was great because it revealed how many fake paid for, you know, supposed influencers there are on the right, brought them to the Oval Office, gave them binders full of Epstein material that had already been in the public domain for a very long time and said that was the entirety of it.

01:51:02.380 And then, of course, because he's Donald Trump, he contradicted himself six or seven times.

01:51:08.400 You know, this was, Epstein wasn't real. 0.82

01:51:11.200 Epstein was a pedophile.

01:51:12.960 He didn't have any victims. 0.97

01:51:14.240 He got his elected officials out there to say those things in front of Congress.

01:51:18.840 It's just laughable.

01:51:19.600 And then, of course, he turned on Marjorie Taylor Greene, who I think, of all the elected members of Congress, represents in sincere, hardworking fashion what it meant to be a, not Trump fan, but a Trump lieutenant.

01:51:40.580 I mean, this was someone who was inspired by Donald Trump and Donald Trump's program to leave her successful business, run for Congress, and thank God for her because she got there and discovered what a captured institution it is, how flawed the individuals there are, how hostile they are to the American people who put them there, and specifically the Republican voters who put them there.

01:52:06.660 And then to see Trump turn on her and treat her the way that he treated her was, you know, she's an individual and she's tough and she can handle it.

01:52:19.300 But that kind of like repetitive, crazy disloyalty and to treat someone who would actually put themselves to hard work to great effect was unforgivable, I thought.

01:52:36.080 That's when I really started.

01:52:37.040 She texted Trump and she said,

01:52:38.720 my son is getting threats

01:52:40.840 because I've disagreed with you on the Epstein files.

01:52:45.320 And Trump responded to her by text message and said,

01:52:47.820 he deserves it.

01:52:49.400 It's your fault.

01:52:51.340 People are threatening the kid's life.

01:52:53.780 And Trump says, no, no, no.

01:52:55.120 You brought this on him.

01:52:57.140 It's on you. 1.00

01:52:59.040 That's disgusting. 0.99

01:53:00.580 It's outrageous. 0.57

01:53:01.740 I didn't know that.

01:53:03.740 It's terrible.

01:53:04.660 It's terrifying.

01:53:05.240 to actually to be so tone-deaf to be so evil but to also be so tone-deaf so what and then the the

01:53:14.340 warner on which he clearly you know had no plan for wasn't enthusiastic about at all he was fully

01:53:20.340 aware of the risks he was fully aware that it was a betrayal of his explicit promises for 10 years

01:53:24.760 not to do this he did it he did it against his will that's my highly informed read yes i mean

01:53:31.980 I could be wrong.

01:53:32.700 You know, you don't know what people's motives actually are.

01:53:35.000 But, I mean, from very close vantage, I can say I don't think he was excited about it.

01:53:41.080 But he did it.

01:53:43.340 Clearly, he felt he had no choice.

01:53:45.620 So, and I think that's widely understood.

01:53:48.080 Yes.

01:53:48.560 Yeah.

01:53:50.040 But I have no sympathy for him for doing that.

01:53:52.260 Right.

01:53:52.560 I don't.

01:53:53.940 Why?

01:53:54.160 Sorry.

01:53:56.460 Because, yes, he's Donald Trump the man.

01:53:59.300 But he's just one man.

01:54:00.420 and invested in him by all of us and, you know, 72 million American voters is an enormous

01:54:08.840 responsibility. Here's a guy who had had demonstrable success in his life, had done a lot

01:54:15.440 of things, accumulated enormous power and money, and has a big family. He's 80 years old. He's got

01:54:24.000 grandchildren i just don't have any sympathy for someone who is i do have sympathy for a regular 0.76

01:54:31.020 person who is being threatened and pressured yes um so physical threats okay so someone shoots you

01:54:39.700 they tried to shoot him someone tried to shoot him twice um that's demonstrable but his level of

01:54:46.980 fear over that to me is not even I'm not sympathetic to it it's not excusable he is

01:54:55.100 not just one man he's the president of the United States he even if his power is limited as he's

01:55:00.640 demonstrated it obviously is limited he does have the power to stop and hold a press conference and

01:55:07.160 be like I'm I don't know what it looks like but he could say I'm under incredible pressure

01:55:11.240 from this outside force.

01:55:13.660 Obviously, Israel is exerting this pressure on him.

01:55:17.740 He could be forthcoming and straightforward about it

01:55:20.160 and rally the American people behind him,

01:55:22.980 people who would not be,

01:55:24.440 a lot of people know it,

01:55:25.540 a lot of people are aware of it

01:55:26.580 and they're upset about it

01:55:27.560 and he should just acknowledge it

01:55:29.380 and say, I'm in this untenable position,

01:55:32.260 but I'm no longer going to put up with it.

01:55:34.680 And even if our government is thoroughly corrupted

01:55:37.660 in every single aspect of our government 0.72

01:55:40.160 and there's this outside foreign power that is generating all this fear,

01:55:46.100 there are some elements of the U.S. government he could be using to his benefit to root them out.

01:55:51.080 Oh, for sure.

01:55:52.060 It just requires him to have the fortitude to declare it.

01:55:56.100 The other thing is—

01:55:57.000 No, can I just ask you a pause?

01:55:58.300 Yes.

01:55:59.180 That is one thing you learn from growing up in D.C. and just being around it a lot,

01:56:02.780 is that these agencies are totally corrupt

01:56:05.520 and that the structure of them is just rotten

01:56:10.220 and it's really hard for good people

01:56:12.280 to have any effect on outcomes.

01:56:13.920 Doesn't mean there aren't good, patriotic,

01:56:16.180 intelligent people serving

01:56:17.400 in every single one of these agencies.

01:56:19.680 And you never want to say a nice word

01:56:21.260 about CIA or DOD or DOW,

01:56:25.680 whatever they're calling it now,

01:56:26.540 but any of these agencies.

01:56:27.920 But it's just a fact

01:56:29.320 that there are really good people

01:56:31.200 motivated by patriotism who work there.

01:56:33.720 And they're not the majority, clearly.

01:56:35.160 They're not in control of the levers, obviously.

01:56:37.540 But they're there.

01:56:38.820 Yes.

01:56:39.660 And some of them have migrated over to the White House.

01:56:42.600 I mean, they work there right now.

01:56:43.720 I know them.

01:56:45.420 So, and really smart.

01:56:47.160 Like, wow, I can't believe someone that smart

01:56:48.900 works in the government.

01:56:49.900 That patriotic, that pure of intent,

01:56:52.440 like really good people.

01:56:54.520 I can hardly believe it.

01:56:55.660 I guess maybe it's just a numbers game.

01:56:57.140 You get 10 million people in a government,

01:56:59.900 like some of them are going to be outstanding.

01:57:01.200 But they are, and, like, there's been so little effort to find them, to empower them, and to the extent that they have been empowered, Joe Kent, for example, they get completely destroyed.

01:57:11.520 Yes.

01:57:11.980 And then you have, like, people like Sebastian Gorka, who I don't even know if he's an American citizen, but he's clearly, like, a highly damaged person, not a smart person, not a loyal American in any sense, and he's still there?

01:57:27.240 It's such a daily offense to those people.

01:57:30.340 I guess what I'm saying is, and you would just know this because of the life that you've led, you could make a good faith effort at identifying those people.

01:57:38.340 Of course, you'd have to go through and be a huge fight.

01:57:41.440 It was very, very hard.

01:57:42.580 Yes.

01:57:43.380 But you could try to find those good people, right?

01:57:45.960 Yes, I would think so.

01:57:47.160 That's my point.

01:57:47.840 He could coalesce the true, legitimate, smart, dedicated Americans who are there who must feel impotent rage over what's going on.

01:57:58.500 They text me.

01:57:59.180 I mean, I bet.

01:58:00.340 They're all like on the verge of resigning.

01:58:02.240 Yeah, no, I know.

01:58:04.420 It's been hugely dispiriting, actually,

01:58:06.600 that Joe Kent seems to be the only one

01:58:07.960 who's come out publicly and on principle.

01:58:11.140 Well, they're all making this calculation,

01:58:12.980 like the good people,

01:58:13.940 and there are a ton of them left in the administration,

01:58:16.100 including in the White House.

01:58:17.220 There are good people.

01:58:18.060 I just can verify that.

01:58:18.980 Of course there are.

01:58:19.600 Yeah.

01:58:20.340 Of course there are.

01:58:21.500 They don't all agree with me on everything,

01:58:23.100 but that's okay.

01:58:24.040 But their motives are pure.

01:58:25.380 They're not there to get rich.

01:58:26.320 They're there to serve their nation.

01:58:27.500 And they're all thinking to the ones I have spoken to, which is a lot of them, like, well, you know, I'm here, I can do good on the margins, like, something will pass my desk, and maybe I can have an effect, like, God put me here for some reason, I should probably do my duty, even if I hate it.

01:58:43.240 Yes.

01:58:43.860 They have to start thinking bigger picture.

01:58:46.160 You may be right.

01:58:47.140 You may be totally right.

01:58:48.060 I'm sure they're siloed or whatever, and I'm sure that's some comfort to know that they're being true to themselves and true to the country.

01:58:54.620 But at some point, it's going to take those people actually talking to each other and saying enough is enough.

01:59:00.900 I mean, I actually think we do have remedies for an out-of-control, megalomaniacal, destructive president.

01:59:09.280 I think honest people who have that power should consider taking it.

01:59:13.900 The 25th Amendment is there for a reason.

01:59:15.820 It's not crazy to talk about it in this context.

01:59:18.500 if our country is suffering great and lasting damage,

01:59:23.860 which it seems to be,

01:59:25.600 then sober minds need to come in

01:59:27.420 and exercise what power they have

01:59:29.260 for the benefit of all of us.

01:59:31.240 Easier said than done, I'm sure.

01:59:32.800 Right, easier said than done.

01:59:34.320 But I mean, it's certainly,

01:59:36.340 I think saying the truth,

01:59:38.560 whatever you think that it is,

01:59:40.100 is the first step toward redemption

01:59:42.300 of yourself and of your country.

01:59:44.580 Yes.

01:59:45.020 Tell the truth.

01:59:45.720 That's your number one duty.

01:59:48.500 Can I say one other thing?

01:59:49.500 Of course.

01:59:50.460 I'm certain the fear of physical, the physical threat is real.

01:59:55.220 Oh, yeah, obviously.

01:59:56.580 That's been demonstrated a lot.

01:59:57.880 But also, if it's shame, if there's blackmail material as there is on so much of our elected officials, if there isn't Trump, it's like, I'm sorry.

02:00:07.440 You've demonstrated that you don't have any personal shame.

02:00:10.540 I mean, you've demonstrated that a lot.

02:00:12.220 You persevered through all of these accusations of disgusting personal behavior.

02:00:16.680 How shocking is it, really, if there are pictures of you doing compromising things?

02:00:21.480 Not very.

02:00:22.600 And it doesn't even matter.

02:00:24.700 Like, actually, I hate the term, but sack up.

02:00:28.080 Like, really, you, again, it comes back to the obligation that he has, not just to Donald Trump, to everybody else in the country, well beyond Donald Trump.

02:00:36.480 Who cares?

02:00:37.740 He can survive.

02:00:38.560 so looking back being because i mean you and i and everyone else who supported him you wrote

02:00:45.300 speeches for him i campaigned for him i mean we're implicated in this for sure yes it's not

02:00:50.460 enough to say well i changed my mind or like oh this is bad i'm out it's like in very small ways

02:00:57.740 but in real ways you and me and millions of people like us are the reason this is happening right now

02:01:03.780 yes so i do think it's like a moment to wrestle with our own consciences

02:01:09.500 uh you know we'll be tormented by it for a long time i will be and and i want to say i'm sorry

02:01:17.340 for misleading people in it was not intentional that's all i'll say but anyway but the question

02:01:23.240 does present itself immediately like what is this was this always the plan you don't want to be a

02:01:29.160 conspiracy nut but like clearly there were signs of low character we knew that yes but it didn't

02:01:34.260 there are tons of people of low character who like outperform their character it doesn't have

02:01:40.080 to be sort of the norm actually these days right say i've outperformed my character a lot

02:01:44.920 i don't have especially high character right but you know you try to whatever you try your best but

02:01:51.220 um but what what what was this was this always the plan you know looking back after the last

02:01:58.340 year and a half it seems like it kind of was and it's easy well you could get really deep about it

02:02:03.600 and say what was butler like how was it that he and ryan ruth i mean he was subject to two

02:02:11.660 legitimate assassination attempts have we ever gotten to the bottom i know you've talked a lot

02:02:15.740 about this but have we ever gotten to the bottom i haven't talked a lot about it i don't know the

02:02:19.180 answer but i know that those investigations have been stymied fact yeah stymied from the very top

02:02:25.160 from people who actually would have the power to get to the bottom of it.

02:02:28.380 And the motive.

02:02:29.280 Yes, very much.

02:02:31.260 So the enormous amount of money he got from Miriam Adelson now seems,

02:02:38.080 it seems suspect to a lot of people at the time.

02:02:40.600 But, you know, there's a lot of money in politics to run for president.

02:02:44.100 Requires an enormous, I mean, Cacklin Cameltoe went through $2 billion in four months.

02:02:49.540 So, sure, there's an argument to be made that you get money from those who will give it to you.

02:02:55.160 It's just the nature of that game.

02:02:58.540 But it's still reprehensible and it's still a big question mark.

02:03:01.720 Why would someone who has obvious and demonstrated allegiance to a foreign power give Donald Trump $250 million while he's running for president?

02:03:11.560 I mean, how is that defensible?

02:03:13.140 It's really not.

02:03:13.800 But if Russia had given a PAC for Trump, you know, if the mayor of Moscow had somehow, you know, assembled an enormous amount of money and put it in a 501c3 for Trump's benefit, would that have been acceptable?

02:03:30.520 Of course it wouldn't have been.

02:03:32.300 So what does someone—it's so basic, comes back to the money.

02:03:35.620 Like, what did they get in return for that amount of investment?

02:03:40.500 And it's clear.

02:03:41.300 I get it.

02:03:41.880 No, I mean, of course.

02:03:42.800 I agree with every word that you're saying.

02:03:44.380 I just think given his behavior

02:03:48.820 and his demonstrated disloyalty

02:03:52.000 and viciousness to previous supporters.

02:03:54.180 Yes.

02:03:55.720 Why wouldn't he display the same lack of loyalty

02:03:59.000 to Miriam Adelson?

02:04:01.780 I mean, that's kind of the question.

02:04:03.320 The only people he's been loyal to

02:04:05.420 are the neocons and his donors.

02:04:09.860 So he's attacked, you know,

02:04:11.520 so he attacks Islam.

02:04:12.800 some of us stand up and say

02:04:14.740 probably shouldn't be attacking a religion 1.00

02:04:17.200 oh you're a Muslim, secret Muslim 1.00

02:04:19.160 you love Muslims, no 1.00

02:04:20.400 just I like reverence and I don't think

02:04:23.200 you should attack people on the basis of their religion

02:04:24.780 you don't attack their religion

02:04:25.660 and all these like evangelicals

02:04:29.600 are like oh you see you're a Muslim 0.99

02:04:31.200 the next week he attacks Jesus 1.00

02:04:33.040 okay because it's all

02:04:35.480 connected right? Clearly

02:04:37.020 of course. Well beyond money obviously

02:04:39.400 well right but the one

02:04:40.860 person he's never going to attack is

02:04:43.400 Rebbe Schneerson. Yes.

02:04:46.020 And, you know,

02:04:47.400 the Chabad leader who's passed,

02:04:49.300 who I'm not attacking, by the way,

02:04:51.520 but who was regarded

02:04:53.480 as the Messiah by many of his followers.

02:04:55.840 I don't think Trump should attack him,

02:04:57.580 to be clear, but Trump

02:04:59.340 would never attack him. That's the one

02:05:01.520 Messiah he will never attack.

02:05:03.820 So, like, what is that?

02:05:06.320 Am I wrong?

02:05:07.420 No, you're not wrong. No. It's totally cool to attack

02:05:09.500 jesus oh it's a joke i'm a i was saying i was a doctor i heal people well that's what how jesus

02:05:15.240 described himself by the way you're still you're attacking jesus yes no demonstrably so we did

02:05:19.140 obviously on a sunday you're attacking jesus on a sunday it's totally fine but we all know

02:05:23.900 and again i'm not asking that he attacked rebbe schneerson he should not but he never would he

02:05:30.100 die first so like what do you tell me what that is gosh i wish i knew i wish i knew but i know but

02:05:36.480 he should be called to respond i agree yeah very much so it makes no sense um although it's

02:05:44.160 revealing as you're indicating plus trump is a totally secular human being who never held a

02:05:51.100 bible didn't put his hand on the bible obviously that's an offensive statement right there that

02:05:55.500 should have been he's the only person in the united states who's never put his hand on the

02:05:59.020 bible during this inaugural yeah what the hell is that i don't know if that means he's a secular

02:06:03.780 person i think it means he's got a different religion no i'm saying he had been yeah perceived

02:06:08.700 as a secular individual and clearly there's so where does this go

02:06:14.160 i wish i could answer that question i don't know i don't

02:06:21.500 it doesn't seem like we're getting out of iran anytime soon it doesn't seem like the

02:06:25.840 strait of hermuz is going to open anytime soon it doesn't seem like bb netanyahu is going to

02:06:31.160 allow us to achieve peace doesn't seem like american power is getting any

02:06:38.120 any stronger doesn't seem like the american people are going to stop suffering anytime soon

02:06:44.600 i think at some point i mean there are mechanisms for dealing with a

02:06:48.280 with a government that's not responsive i hope it doesn't go there but it does if you

02:06:53.540 people are upset man i've never seen anything like it actually is that true oh people are

02:06:59.560 outraged, and why wouldn't they be?

02:07:02.160 Do you know, and at this point,

02:07:04.140 I mean, given your views

02:07:05.960 and your name and your life, like,

02:07:07.800 you're not hanging out with liberals. You've never hung out with

02:07:09.820 liberals, ever. You're the least

02:07:11.980 liberal person, American

02:07:13.460 liberal that I've ever.

02:07:18.680 You literally carry

02:07:19.900 a gun and smoke unfiltered cigarettes.

02:07:22.360 May I have one? Oh, of course

02:07:23.880 you may. And sleep in bed with dogs and

02:07:25.820 like the whole thing.

02:07:26.540 So it's not—you're not coming at this from, like—you don't have a lot of friends who are Starbucks baristas, right?

02:07:34.380 I do not.

02:07:35.320 Right.

02:07:35.780 No, although I do share—I mean, I kind of wish I'd listened.

02:07:41.500 The evidence was there that Trump was not—didn't have a stable footing and wasn't—

02:07:46.700 What are the—by the way, is that even still sold in this country?

02:07:50.340 These are camels. They're very hard to find.

02:07:51.800 They're very expensive, especially in a world where tobacco is quite expensive.

02:07:56.080 Those have been made

02:07:56.860 continuously since 1913.

02:08:00.220 I think every American

02:08:02.380 military man

02:08:03.820 up until Vietnam

02:08:04.680 had these in his sea rations. 0.84

02:08:06.640 Yep.

02:08:08.220 General Blackjack Pershing

02:08:10.060 cabled back from France

02:08:12.620 to President Woodrow Wilson

02:08:14.980 and said,

02:08:16.000 send more camels.

02:08:17.060 We will win the war with these.

02:08:20.200 A friend of mine

02:08:21.220 right before this interview.

02:08:22.100 A great guy named Paul Leslie sent me a rider from one of Frank Sinatra's concerts in the early 80s.

02:08:34.940 And it was a rider stipulating all of the various things he needed in the back room.

02:08:39.300 It was like, you know, specific chocolates, specific booze.

02:08:43.460 And it was two cartons of Camel Straits.

02:08:47.320 Isn't that great?

02:08:48.280 You've been smoking those since you were a child.

02:08:50.400 How do you feel?

02:08:51.320 empowered i really do i do i feel so much better i've been back on them i left i let them aside

02:09:00.620 i never thought i was a quitter and i left these behind for a decade and a half is that true i did

02:09:06.060 i love nicotine but actually having the physical having this in your hand being able to exhale

02:09:11.960 being able to it's an amazing taste it's unrivaled taste it is that that's the brand i smoked my

02:09:17.600 life and it's just a it's a great cigarette by the way it's a lot lighter than people believe

02:09:23.180 yes lucky strikes a lot tougher actually i agree with which our father smoked yeah is a strong

02:09:28.660 cigarette but um no that's not a strong cigarette but especially it's a smooth yeah i totally agree

02:09:35.560 flavor with chocolate um same formula pretty much i think we'd have to call rjr to find out but

02:09:41.480 It's no different than the one I smoked in 1982, I think.

02:09:48.400 I was 11 in 1982.

02:09:49.680 Yeah, it's a good cigarette.

02:09:51.680 So anyway, sorry.

02:09:52.720 But my only point was,

02:09:54.020 and I think it's obvious to people watching this,

02:09:55.900 you're probably not hanging around

02:09:57.220 with a bunch of non-binary Kamala Harris voters.

02:10:03.060 So most people you know voted for Trump

02:10:05.940 and strongly supported him.

02:10:07.280 Very much so.

02:10:08.340 How do they feel?

02:10:09.980 I don't know a single person who doesn't feel betrayed, left behind, upset, hostile, freaked out about the consequence of this.

02:10:19.400 Yeah.

02:10:19.720 I mean, it's not a small thing, what we've done.

02:10:22.160 I mean, if the President of the United States is not just your, I don't think he was my protector, but he's the protector of the country.

02:10:28.320 That's right.

02:10:28.560 He represents the country.

02:10:29.780 That's correct.

02:10:30.540 And that's his sole job.

02:10:32.160 Actually, one job, one job, one job only is to husband the resources that you have that you were given.

02:10:37.120 And he's failed on every level, but he's also degraded what we have, what we had, and was already under attack for so long.

02:10:47.760 So, it's unclear what's going to happen, but I've never seen, you know, I'm 55.

02:10:54.880 I've seen a lot of what could have become unrest.

02:10:58.500 I've never seen more fertile ground for real unrest than what we have now.

02:11:03.440 Especially with the advent of AI, the current economy, our debt, and the prospect of more Americans dying in a country they can't find on a map and fighting a fight that they can't articulate, don't understand, and don't want.

02:11:19.380 You've got to wonder if that's accidental.

02:11:21.700 I mean, like if you wanted to destroy the country, this is exactly what you'd do.

02:11:25.080 Well, the entire program for the latter half of my life has seemed designed to weaken this country, to divide people, to make them less happy and more enslaved.

02:11:36.380 It does seem that way. I, you know, I don't, I don't know that there was like a meeting at Bilderberg or Bohemian Grove or whatever.

02:11:49.080 But whatever, it's so precise and so overwhelming and so universal on every front that it could not have been accidental.

02:11:56.400 These are not just.

02:11:57.840 Yeah, you wonder if it was a conspiracy of instinct.

02:12:01.160 I mean, when the George Floyd thing happened, I was confused as to what was going on because I'm literal. 0.93

02:12:07.240 I mean, I'm against, you know, obviously vandalism and rioting and hate the whites. 0.75

02:12:13.520 It's just like that's just a no-go for me immediately. 0.97

02:12:15.900 but i didn't understand its purpose i didn't understand its scale like i just didn't get it

02:12:23.220 i was mesmerized by what was happening in minneapolis outside the convenience store right

02:12:26.640 and the new york times ran a piece i'll never forget it and in it they quoted some art critic

02:12:32.260 from new york like from the west village or something it was literally in new york and he

02:12:37.300 said like two days in he goes this is the revolution it's like people certain people

02:12:45.060 tuned in to the frequency

02:12:46.680 of destruction of evil.

02:12:48.140 Yes.

02:12:48.460 Like, they recognized it immediately.

02:12:50.680 Just like they recognized

02:12:51.660 Trump immediately

02:12:52.340 as a threat to them.

02:12:53.640 They've neutralized

02:12:54.220 that threat somehow.

02:12:55.280 But, I guess.

02:12:57.580 But anyway,

02:12:58.440 they could feel it.

02:13:01.040 And this art critic,

02:13:02.360 his name I can't even remember,

02:13:03.460 but he's-

02:13:03.960 He was celebrating it,

02:13:04.820 I must admit.

02:13:04.980 He was celebrating.

02:13:05.600 Oh, absolutely.

02:13:06.520 He was absolutely celebrating it.

02:13:08.100 Like, but he knew

02:13:09.360 that this was more than

02:13:10.940 simply about the death

02:13:12.360 of some guy

02:13:13.120 trying to pass a bad hundred

02:13:14.760 at a convenience store,

02:13:15.760 this was a reordering

02:13:17.120 of American society.

02:13:18.060 We're going to get rid 1.00

02:13:18.480 of all the white cops 1.00

02:13:19.260 because we need to do that

02:13:20.720 in order to something,

02:13:22.240 whatever.

02:13:23.380 I mean,

02:13:23.580 there's some reason

02:13:24.200 why they wanted that.

02:13:25.340 Effectuate peace?

02:13:26.260 Yeah.

02:13:26.780 No, probably not.

02:13:30.040 Anyway.

02:13:30.600 Protect the women 0.98

02:13:30.920 and the children. 1.00

02:13:32.260 Protect the women 1.00

02:13:32.840 and the children.

02:13:33.180 No, to destroy.

02:13:34.180 That's the point of evil,

02:13:35.120 of course.

02:13:36.680 So,

02:13:37.240 I don't know,

02:13:39.000 maybe these are

02:13:39.440 unknowable questions.

02:13:43.080 It can't be

02:13:44.540 a confluence of

02:13:47.580 random events. It is clearly

02:13:49.420 by design. It's clearly been a long-term

02:13:51.500 plan. That's

02:13:53.540 just obvious. Last question.

02:13:55.560 Do you, given the attitudes

02:13:57.400 you've described, like total contempt for people

02:13:59.300 who supported him,

02:14:01.220 total reverence for

02:14:03.260 unwillingness ever to criticize people who are clearly

02:14:05.480 opposed to the United States,

02:14:07.320 do you feel personally

02:14:09.620 threatened?

02:14:11.320 I think the backlash that we're going to see

02:14:13.480 and whatever comes. 0.96

02:14:14.880 I mean, the reaction from the lunatic left 0.99

02:14:17.220 is going to be overwhelming. 0.96

02:14:19.580 They may be disorganized now.

02:14:20.940 That's the other thing we didn't talk about

02:14:22.400 is that Trump's coalition that he put together,

02:14:24.540 he had so demonstrably and definitively spanked,

02:14:29.620 shamed, destroyed the left,

02:14:33.180 destroyed, I mean, the level of dispiritedness

02:14:36.980 and disorganization among the left

02:14:38.680 in November of 24 and December of 24.

02:14:41.680 I mean, they didn't engage in any kind of retrospective or they didn't try to figure out how they could represent the country or the party or fix the problems.

02:14:51.480 Of course, they never do that.

02:14:53.480 We're going to take this opportunity to help black people since we love black people so much.

02:14:57.160 We're going to spend our years in the wilderness trying to elevate black people.

02:15:01.360 They didn't do that.

02:15:02.140 That never occurred to them.

02:15:03.020 They'll never do that.

02:15:04.520 They'll never do that.

02:15:05.280 But what they did do was they recognized that their political fortunes were dashed for some time to come because it was obvious.

02:15:14.680 It was obvious that Trump had a total mandate to do the things that he had been, which is obviously why people are so upset that he didn't grasp the nettle and do what he said he was going to do because he had such fertile ground to do it.

02:15:26.840 And he had both houses of Congress and he could have actually accomplished a lot more than just signing executive orders and closing the border.

02:15:32.640 God bless him for closing the border. 1.00

02:15:33.880 But why hasn't he, you know, expelled the 50 million people who are here illegally? 1.00

02:15:38.880 Why are we still importing people? 1.00

02:15:40.180 And they're announcing now we're going to import more people.

02:15:41.860 We're going to give citizenship to the illegals that we supposedly were going to deport. 0.81

02:15:46.160 Now we're giving them citizenship? 0.98

02:15:47.460 It's absolutely obscene. 0.99

02:15:49.580 But people don't talk about that enough.

02:15:52.100 The way forward was really rosy and it was a rebirth of America in November of 24.

02:16:01.500 People felt that.

02:16:02.360 And the left was crushed definitively.

02:16:05.380 And now we're, you know, several months from the midterm elections.

02:16:08.720 It seems very clear that the Republican Party hasn't delivered anything.

02:16:12.960 Trump delivered a war and delivered higher prices and delivered misery.

02:16:18.400 That's demonstrable.

02:16:20.340 And unless it's a corrupt election, which, of course, it will be, the Republicans are going to lose power.

02:16:27.380 Trump's agenda, if there is one, is going to come to a halt.

02:16:30.260 and the left has, if anything, a very long memory

02:16:34.280 and they are vindictive planners.

02:16:38.840 They are not, you know, reactive.

02:16:42.160 They are reactive, but not effectively so.

02:16:44.600 They're effective planners

02:16:45.580 and they spend a lot of time thinking about this

02:16:47.640 and the retribution.

02:16:49.240 They will use retribution.

02:16:50.820 Trump was accused of, you know, planning retribution.

02:16:54.420 It would have been actually justice.

02:16:55.940 He never made that point, though he should have.

02:16:58.600 restoring order and restoring

02:17:01.540 justice to the system. The left

02:17:03.560 is going to be

02:17:05.260 vicious and it's

02:17:07.480 going to hurt a lot of people at a

02:17:09.480 time when... Probably not Trump, 80-year-old

02:17:11.600 Trump. Probably not Trump's

02:17:13.400 family either, which is something we haven't

02:17:15.540 talked about because the focus

02:17:17.540 that he's had, we talked about, you know,

02:17:20.180 he's focused on

02:17:21.520 arches and music, but he's really focused

02:17:23.460 on business for Trump

02:17:25.360 and the Trump family, and they've conducted

02:17:27.300 a lot of it

02:17:28.060 and they've amassed

02:17:29.860 a lot of wealth

02:17:30.940 on paper

02:17:31.580 but also a lot of

02:17:32.760 real assets

02:17:33.720 and real cash

02:17:34.560 and

02:17:35.260 they're going to be

02:17:36.900 inoculated

02:17:37.540 and

02:17:38.640 none of his supporters

02:17:40.220 will be

02:17:40.720 so

02:17:42.520 Uncle Buck

02:17:44.380 Thank you for having me

02:17:46.220 Buckley S.P. Carlson

02:17:47.340 Thank you for having me

02:17:48.600 I love it

02:17:49.720 I love it

02:17:50.440 I will see you in Maine

02:17:51.420 I love it

02:17:52.260 Thank you

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The Tucker Carlson Show - April 20, 2026

Buckley Carlson： Writing Trump’s Speeches, Trump’s Shocking Texts to MTG, and the Epstein Cover-up

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