The Tucker Carlson Show - Calley & Casey Means： The Truth About Ozempic, the Pill, and How Big Pharma Keeps You Sick

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00:00:31.260 Callie and Casey Means. Okay, so I actually think this book is going to, I never say this,

00:00:39.680 but I mean it. I think this book is going to have a big effect on the course of the country. And the

00:00:44.660 reason I think that is because you two are the perfect people to write it. And so I never do

00:00:50.900 this, but I just want to start with your bios. So you are siblings, Casey and Callie. You happen

00:00:56.820 to have grown up in the same neighborhood as me in Washington, like blocks from me. So I know the

00:01:01.840 world that you're from. You're writing about food, nutrition, the regulatory bodies that are poisoning

00:01:07.760 the country. You are a lobbyist and you are a Stanford educated physician. I just want to go through

00:01:17.300 quickly each one and starting with you. You're a doctor. Yes. Tell us the progression of your

00:01:25.500 thinking on this and what it did to your life. Yeah, absolutely. So trained at Stanford Medical

00:01:31.880 School, then became trained as a head of neck surgeon. Undergrad Stanford. Undergrad Stanford

00:01:36.420 Medical School at Stanford, then went on to train and had a neck surgery. Nine years into my postgraduate

00:01:40.740 training. How did you do in medical school and college? Did well, was president of my Stanford class,

00:01:45.860 you know, graduating, taught my class with honors in medical school and went on to a very competitive

00:01:52.220 surgical subspecialty. Okay. So I'm just saying that because normally I dismiss credentials out

00:01:56.600 of hand, but these are real credentials and they matter, I think, to your credibility. Okay.

00:02:01.320 And I did what every good little medical student, you know, wants to do, which is climb the ranks of

00:02:05.080 that academic ladder. But, you know, you can- And you killed it.

00:02:08.060 Did well, you know, and I got to the top of that mountain, right? Nine years into my postgraduate

00:02:13.540 training. And I looked around me and I realized that, you know, patients in America are getting

00:02:18.480 destroyed. Children, adults, the elderly. You know, you're so distracted in your little

00:02:23.360 surgical subspecialty, focusing on the ear, nose and throat where I was, and you get distracted.

00:02:29.400 You look around at what's happening in Americans and our health is getting worse every single year.

00:02:34.260 Patients in America are getting much sicker every year, more depressed. We're getting infertile.

00:02:38.660 And life expectancy is going down in a country that's spending almost 2x more than any other

00:02:42.760 country in the world.

00:02:43.600 So before we get into the details of what you did, tell us, I mean, of why you did what

00:02:49.100 you did, tell us what you did. So you spent your whole life working toward this goal.

00:02:53.180 You reach the top and then you decide not to do it?

00:02:58.360 Yeah. You know, I'm in the operating room in my fifth year of my surgical residency and

00:03:01.380 I'm looking down at a patient in front of me who's on our third revision sinus surgery.

00:03:04.600 And, you know, I know how to diagnose her. I know how to write the prescriptions. I know

00:03:08.160 how to do the surgery. But what I kind of realized in that moment was like, I have no idea why

00:03:11.280 this patient's actually sick. She has so many other health issues, prediabetes, arthritis.

00:03:15.480 She's got some brain fog. She's got obesity and she's got this sinus issue. And in my training,

00:03:21.020 you know, I was never, ever, ever taught to look at the whole patient, to look at how all

00:03:25.160 these things are connected. And I was only taught how to, you know, do the surgery and then

00:03:29.280 bill for it. And I realized that there's a huge problem in how we're practicing medicine

00:03:33.800 right now, which is what we're ignoring the root causes of why Americans are sick and

00:03:37.680 we're profiting off of patients getting sick and then doing things to them. That's the

00:03:41.700 way the business model of healthcare works. You know, the most, the way that healthcare,

00:03:45.840 which is the largest and fastest growing industry in the United States makes money is you have

00:03:49.440 more patients in the system, having more things done to them for longer periods of time.

00:03:53.200 And when I kind of put some of these pieces together and realized that my training had

00:03:56.380 totally, essentially incapacitated me from really understanding why patients are sick and how to

00:04:04.640 actually help them thrive, I actually had to walk away from the surgical world because I realized

00:04:08.720 that I was going to be making money off of essentially not spending time helping patients

00:04:13.740 understand their health and actually just profiting off their illness.

00:04:16.380 So nine years into medical training at Stanford, you gave it up voluntarily.

00:04:20.620 On my birthday, 30th birthday, I walked into the office of the chair of the department and I put

00:04:27.360 down the scalpel and I walked away and I devoted my life to why are Americans getting sicker every

00:04:32.240 year? Why are 50% of American children dealing with a chronic health issue? This was less than

00:04:39.460 1% 50 years ago. Why is our health getting destroyed the more that we spend?

00:04:43.820 So what did they say when you walk into your colleagues at Stanford and say,

00:04:48.600 I'm giving it up at 30?

00:04:51.280 You know, it wasn't really a conversation. I knew that I couldn't cut into one more

00:04:55.460 person until I understood why Americans are getting sicker every single year.

00:05:00.300 I think that the unfortunate thing is that doctors don't really understand because every level of our

00:05:05.820 education is systematically focused on blinding us from thinking about root causes. We have over 100

00:05:13.580 medical and surgical subspecialties right now. And, you know, how you make money in the American

00:05:17.940 healthcare system is you take a patient with 10 different issues and you send them to 10 different

00:05:21.160 specialists, put them on 10 different meds, may they eventually have 10 different surgeries.

00:05:24.940 You never actually are taught how to put the pieces together, look at the whole body as a system,

00:05:30.060 which of course it is. And part of this is because, you know, who are the people underwriting our

00:05:34.960 medical education? It's the pharmaceutical companies. You know,

00:05:37.040 we are taught how to be very algorithmic and robotic in how we look at patients. And so

00:05:44.360 ultimately I left the surgical world and I went down the rabbit hole of asking why,

00:05:48.760 why are we getting sicker every year? It's just such a radical move

00:05:51.680 to do something like that. Yeah. I mean...

00:05:54.480 Your whole life you're working toward a goal and then you give it up?

00:05:57.480 Yeah. After nine years?

00:05:59.860 Yeah. You know, this is the thing that was,

00:06:02.560 I understood and that I am working and we are spending our lives to evangelize this book,

00:06:07.020 Good Energy, is that the reasons why Americans are getting sicker every year are very simple.

00:06:12.160 Americans want to be healthy. Americans do not want to die early. They do not want to see their kids

00:06:19.340 with all these chronic health issues like autism and food allergies and obesity and prediabetes and

00:06:24.920 40% of teens with mental health issues. No one wants this, but the system is rigged against the

00:06:30.020 American patient to create diseases and then profit off of them. This is happening across

00:06:34.540 almost every level of our major industries from processed food to tech to pharma. And so really what

00:06:42.980 Americans need to understand is that these trends can stop immediately. We need to understand why we're

00:06:48.480 sick, which is primarily our toxic food system and the ways that systematically several industries

00:06:53.900 are profiting off of our addiction and illness. And if we can understand that and create

00:06:58.020 very simple top-down and bottom-up strategies to address it, Americans will become rapidly

00:07:04.080 healthier. And so as a physician, you know, I took an oath to do no harm and I took an oath to help

00:07:10.800 patients thrive. And so the way that we can do that is by helping people understand the levers of

00:07:16.300 corruption that are essentially keeping us sick.

00:07:20.560 I guess the reason I'm pressing you, and you're the sort of person, I mean,

00:07:24.740 this is a common clue. I just want to talk about herself, which is great. But I think it's relevant

00:07:29.500 because it speaks to the intensity of your commitment and to your sincerity. So you're giving

00:07:34.620 up the prize. You're giving up the money because you really believe this. And I think it's, I just

00:07:39.280 want to establish that at the outset before we say anything more. So you're her brother. You're very

00:07:44.980 close. I happen to know that. And you're obviously proud of your sister. President of her class at

00:07:49.600 Stanford. It's the kind of thing like, oh, my sister's at Stanford. She's at Stanford

00:07:52.600 Medical School. She decides not to practice surgery, the most impressive of all specialties.

00:07:58.320 What's your reaction to this?

00:07:59.500 I called her and said she was a complete idiot. I mean, we were raised in Washington,

00:08:05.040 D.C. right next to you, kind of conditioned to climb up the ladder.

00:08:08.580 Of course.

00:08:09.140 I went to Stanford. I went to Harvard Business School. You know, that was what life is about,

00:08:12.000 just kind of collecting those credentials. Casey, you know, research at the NIH, as we talked about,

00:08:17.420 top of her Stanford med school class. To me, that was it. And truly, and you hit on this,

00:08:22.080 she had no, I mean, this is her life. This is her identity. This is everything to her.

00:08:27.420 And she bravely stepped away with no plan, just from a moral obligation. And I thought she was

00:08:34.600 a complete idiot. And what I know now, and what I've been radicalized on, is she has convinced me

00:08:40.020 that this is the most important issue in the country. It's an issue of corruption that starts

00:08:45.300 at Stanford med school being 50% funded by pharma and not training doctors on one nutrition class.

00:08:50.720 Stanford med school, Harvard med school, 90% of med schools don't offer or require one

00:08:56.600 nutrition class. Doctors simply aren't learning why people are getting sick, which we'd all assume

00:09:01.840 they do. 80% of the course load is in pharmacology. It's on how to take people that are getting

00:09:08.460 sicker and sicker and manage those conditions, not to cure them. And that's a huge problem because

00:09:12.540 that dynamic of the largest industry in the country is destroying human capital.

00:09:16.300 So as your sister is on one end of the equation, you're on the other. So you both have,

00:09:22.940 you know, you're from a community of strivers. That's what DC is.

00:09:26.420 Sure, exactly.

00:09:27.040 And merit badge gatherers. And you've gotten two of the greatest merit badges ever.

00:09:31.180 Right.

00:09:32.000 HBS, Stanford medical school. But you're all of a sudden finding yourself in Washington.

00:09:37.060 Can you just explain your background a little bit?

00:09:38.840 Yeah. So I, just Casey was a bit smarter than me on the biology route. I wanted to be contributing

00:09:43.540 to politics from an early age and went to Stanford to go back into politics. Studied economics,

00:09:50.940 political science, went straight back to campaigns after school. What I learned quickly is that then

00:09:56.820 campaigns over, you work for the biggest spenders in DC. And I found myself across the desk from food

00:10:01.720 industry and the pharma industry. The pharma industry spends five times more in DC than the

00:10:05.180 oil industry. By far the biggest spender. Bipartisan, you're working for pharma. But starting with food,

00:10:10.660 I learned early on that the food industry, and this is my construct, the food industry

00:10:15.580 and the processed food industry was created by the cigarette industry. And I think this is very

00:10:20.400 telling. It's something I learned. So in the 1990s, the two largest food companies in the world were

00:10:26.000 RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris. What happened is when the Surgeon General way too late in the 1980s said

00:10:32.880 cigarettes were maybe problematic, these were some of the largest companies in the world with the

00:10:36.720 largest cash piles of any company in the world. So what they did is they used their cash piles to buy

00:10:40.900 food companies. We think about the 80s as the Wall Street era M&A, a lot of deals. The two biggest M&A

00:10:46.620 deals up until 1990 in world history were cigarette companies buying food companies. So you had in the

00:10:52.760 90s, these two cigarette companies very strategically do two things. They shifted their thousands of

00:10:58.700 scientists who were experts at making cigarettes addictive to the food department. So we had the rise of

00:11:05.040 ultra-processed food where our food now is a science experiment. The second thing they did is they

00:11:11.700 shifted their lobbying. So the cigarette industry, of course, was the biggest lobbying spenders and

00:11:15.960 had a good playbook. They shifted their playbook on lobbying and rigging institutions of trust to

00:11:21.480 food. So they created the food pyramid. So the cigarette industry, through the food companies they

00:11:27.060 bought, paid off the FDA, the USDA, Harvard to create reports saying sugar doesn't cause obesity.

00:11:33.560 And they lobbied for the food pyramid in the 1990s, we all remember, which said animal-based fats are

00:11:39.240 bad, carbs are good. Remember, carbs and sugar were basically the base of the pyramid. So the

00:11:43.860 American diet, because of that, because we trust our medical institutions, which they know,

00:11:48.600 we shifted our diet significantly to ultra-processed food. It was very intentional,

00:11:54.200 the food pyramid. That was a ultra-processed food marketing document that carbs were fine,

00:11:58.660 sugar was fine. And that shifted. And you look at dietary patterns. Today, kids, a child diet is 70%

00:12:06.040 ultra-processed food. Now, what does that mean? Those are literally foods invented by the cigarette

00:12:13.880 industry to addict kids. Obviously, we've got sugar, but there's thousands of different ingredients

00:12:19.880 and science concoctions that scientists work in a lab to make it more palatable, to make it more

00:12:24.740 addictive. So food consumption, calorie consumption has skyrocketed. And the byproduct of these toxic

00:12:30.140 ingredients that the cigarette industry I watched and helped with this bought off the USDA, bought

00:12:34.800 off the FDA, is they wreak havoc among our cells. The foundation of our diet is ingredients that we

00:12:41.260 aren't biologically made to eat that didn't exist 100 years ago. The foundation of our diet is three

00:12:46.700 things. When you look at any label, it's added sugar, processed sugar, which basically didn't exist 100

00:12:51.280 years ago. It's just from natural sources. Ultra-processed grains, which were invented 100

00:12:55.260 years ago. The processing takes the fiber off. They're basically hidden sugars, devoid of nutritional

00:12:59.840 value. And seed oils. Seed oils are the top source of American calories. And this is actually-

00:13:05.320 Seed oils are the top source of American calories?

00:13:07.920 Soybean oil, canola oil. This is the baseline of American calories right now. And these seed oils

00:13:13.620 were actually created by John D. Rockefeller as a byproduct of oil production. It's basically engine

00:13:19.800 lubricant. And Rockefeller and those aligned with them actually lobbied to have this suitable for

00:13:27.400 human consumption. That's how seed oils came into the American diet. They're much cheaper,

00:13:31.460 but they're highly inflammatory. And just by definition, just at the highest level,

00:13:35.620 these ingredients and all the chemicals we can't name that are in ultra-processed food are not

00:13:40.140 natural ingredients that our bodies are made to handle. So there's, as we talk about in Good Energy,

00:13:44.740 this produces a lot of side effects to ourselves. The food industry isn't trying to kill Americans.

00:13:49.800 They're trying to make food cheap and addictive. And what I learned in the morning meeting with the

00:13:55.300 food companies trying to lobby and influence the USDA, being the lifeblood of nutrition research,

00:14:02.500 paying off nutrition research at Harvard and Stanford as a junior employee, shocked by that.

00:14:08.580 So you saw that?

00:14:09.460 Oh, my first week as working for these industries, it was a list of top professors.

00:14:17.360 Um, and, uh, the, the food industry pays 11 times more for foundational nutrition research than the

00:14:24.520 NIH. Um, you go to inner nutrition school in the country, the lifeblood of their school,

00:14:30.260 they'll, they'll proudly admit this is from the processed food industry. In the past two years,

00:14:34.560 there's been 50,000 peer-reviewed research studies on nutrition. We're the only animal that has peer-reviewed

00:14:40.760 nutrition studies. And we're the only animals that are systematically obese, diabetic,

00:14:44.860 uh, and being crippled by metabolic dysfunction. We're born with an innate sense of sense of knowing

00:14:50.040 what's right for us. The problem very strategically, and this is well-known among the industry is the

00:14:55.280 ultra-processed food does because they're able to do this science experiment with their food. It

00:14:59.560 hijacks our biology, hijacks our satiety signals, you know, high fructose corn syrup, fructose,

00:15:05.900 it makes us want to eat more. Um, because in the wild, you know, when you see a bunch of fruit out there,

00:15:11.220 you know, you're well-advised to eat it, um, you know, historically, um, we, we've basically rigged our

00:15:17.160 biology to hijack our signals that, you know, make us satiated. So that's what ultra-processed food

00:15:25.000 does. So that's the food industry. Okay. The food industry actually with their own set interests want

00:15:30.360 to make food addictive and cheaper. It kind of makes sense. The criminal devil's bargain is that it's highly

00:15:37.040 tied to the healthcare industry. And as Casey said, the fastest growing industry in America right now

00:15:41.100 isn't AI. It's not tech, it's healthcare. It's the largest and fastest growing industry. And just as a

00:15:47.740 statement of economic fact, the best thing for that industry is a child getting sick. Um, when a child

00:15:55.360 gets sick or any American gets sick with a chronic condition, with diabetes, obesity, kidney disease,

00:16:00.680 heart disease, whatever, they go on a lifetime medication. They go on the metformin, they go on the

00:16:05.480 statin. They have lifetime treatments and they keep racking up more comorbidities. If you're

00:16:10.940 diabetic, you have an average of four other comorbidities. So you keep racking up, but you

00:16:15.820 don't die. You just suffer. You inevitably get infertility, depression, you start racking

00:16:20.760 them up. So that's very good for the medical system to have these chronic conditions that

00:16:27.280 need to be managed just from a pure economic standpoint. That's how the system set up. That's

00:16:32.060 all happening largely because of our food system and other metabolic habits we can talk about,

00:16:37.060 but largely because of our rise of ultra processed food that's really, really hacking ourselves and

00:16:42.180 really hijacking ourselves. The criminal part, the devil's bargain is that the healthcare system,

00:16:47.660 you'd expect to be speaking out about why we're getting so sick, but they're not only silent on

00:16:52.500 the reasons. They're not only trained Casey the first day of Stanford med school that we're basically

00:16:57.480 taking it as a given that people are lazy and going to get sick. We're just going to profit from

00:17:00.900 treating them. They're silent. They're actually complicit. Working for Coke, I helped steer money

00:17:06.040 to the American- Coca-Cola. Yeah. Working for Coca-Cola, they actually pay money to the American

00:17:11.560 Diabetes Association. They actually pay money to the American Academy of Pediatrics. If there's one

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00:17:20.140 to be doing, they should be saying, we're not going to accept money from Coke, which is diabetes

00:17:24.160 water. They accept money from Coke. So there's no- Well, that's like Tyson chicken subsidizing

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00:20:30.080 Wait, so can I, okay, so, um, okay, thank you. So you work for Coca-Cola, you were at Stanford Medical School,

00:20:37.640 and both of you have converged on what I think is a kind of evangelism. I say that as a compliment,

00:20:44.660 um, and this book is the result of that. What, can you just give us the, the baseline condition of

00:20:51.040 health in the United States? Absolutely. So the word I used earlier, destroyed, is not hyperbolic in

00:20:57.600 any way, shape, or form. 74% of American adults now are overweight or obese. Close to 50% of children

00:21:04.720 are overweight or obese. 120 years ago, when someone was obese, there were case reports written

00:21:10.900 about it. Literally, there were people in the circus if, if you had obese. Sideshow fat. Yeah,

00:21:15.720 it was so unusual. It was so unusual. It is now 74% of our country. 77% of young adults are unfit to

00:21:22.740 serve in the military because of these issues like obesity. Now let's talk about diabetes. 50%,

00:21:28.520 a full 50% of American adults have prediabetes or type 2 diabetes, which is a fundamental issue in

00:21:34.500 how our cells- Half the country? Half the country, Tucker, have prediabetes or type 2 diabetes. And

00:21:38.980 30% of teens now have prediabetes. This was a condition that no pediatrician would have seen in

00:21:45.460 their lifetime 50 years ago. 1% of Americans in 1950s, in 1950 had type 2 diabetes. We have 18% of teens

00:21:53.760 with fatty liver disease, a disease that used to be in late-stage alcoholics. Cancer rates are

00:21:59.080 skyrocketing in the young and the elderly. Young adult cancers are up 79%. And this is the first

00:22:05.500 year in American history we're estimated to have over 2 million cases of cancer. 25% of American women

00:22:11.400 are on an antidepressant medication. 40% of 18-year-olds have a mental health diagnosis. We have

00:22:18.320 the highest infant and maternal mortality rate in the entire developed world, despite sending 2x on

00:22:25.200 infant and maternal care than any other country. So you have a higher risk of dying as a woman giving

00:22:30.980 birth in America than any other developed country in the world. Autism rates in kids are 1 in 36

00:22:37.900 nationally. This was 1 in 1,500 in the year 2000. And the screening has not changed in California,

00:22:45.040 where I live. I just want to linger on that. And the screening has not changed.

00:22:49.340 In 20 years.

00:22:49.920 So the definition hasn't changed.

00:22:51.200 No. 1 in 32 from 1 in 1,500. In California, 1 in 36. Right now, it was 1 in 1,500. In California,

00:23:00.620 it's 1 in 22. One of the worst states in the country for autism. So this is just a smattering-

00:23:07.380 What the hell is that? And all of these conditions, I mean,

00:23:10.420 and I could go on and on. Autoimmune diseases, infertility is at peak rates. I mean, I don't

00:23:16.220 know how this is not front-page news. Infertility is going up 1% per year. Sperm counts are going down

00:23:21.460 1% per year since the 1970s. Sperm counts are down 50%-

00:23:26.380 Continuing to drop?

00:23:27.560 Continuing to drop.

00:23:28.400 Oh, at an increasing rate. Our bodies are crying out for help.

00:23:30.940 26% of women have polycystic ovarian syndrome. Now, the thing that people need to understand

00:23:36.380 is that all of these conditions are caused or driven by the exact same thing, which is metabolic

00:23:43.700 dysfunction. This core foundational issue of how our bodies on the cellular level function,

00:23:49.300 which is driven by our toxic food system and our toxic environment. These subtle insidious forces

00:23:56.160 that are creating slow, progressive illness starting now in fetal life that allow patients

00:24:03.180 to be profitable and on the pharma treadmill for their entire lives. They make us sick,

00:24:07.600 but they don't kill us. And then we are drugged for life. You look at what's happening in children,

00:24:12.240 a child born in a hospital in the United States today, within hours of coming from source into this

00:24:20.380 body, the first thing that happens to them is pharmaceutical intervention.

00:24:26.160 Without really asking, you know, I mean, there's barely informed consent about this. That child's

00:24:31.680 eyes are smeared with erythromycin ointment and they're given a hepatitis B vaccine in their first

00:24:37.680 day of life. And what are these two things for? I mean, I mentioned this because it's just emblematic

00:24:43.260 of how we're put on the pharma treadmill from the moment we are born in this country for reasons that

00:24:49.700 are very strange. The erythromycin ointment is to prevent chlamydial infections of the eye,

00:24:55.220 which we test women for chlamydia. So why would every baby in the United States need this ointment

00:24:58.740 if the mom doesn't have it? And the hep B vaccine is for hepatitis B, which is a sexually transmitted

00:25:03.120 disease and IV drug user disease, of course, which babies are not going to be exposed to.

00:25:08.840 And yet every single baby in America is getting the intervention. So from the literally the day we are

00:25:13.460 born. Why? So I mean, why not test the pregnant mother for those? They do. Okay. So they give it

00:25:18.020 to the women who, even if they have tested negative, they give it to babies. Which would be the overwhelming

00:25:21.740 majority. Absolutely. So I don't understand why would you treat a child on his first day of life

00:25:29.280 for illnesses, you know, for a fact he doesn't have, it isn't going to get. So this is what I saw

00:25:33.380 working for pharma. So let's, let's get out of the passion of this debate and just talk about the

00:25:38.740 economic incentives. Let's take the hep B. Okay. There's actually no dynamic in American capitalism

00:25:44.920 like the vaccine schedule. Cause the second you get something on that schedule, the government's

00:25:49.360 paying hundreds of billions of dollars for a product that's then mandated for every single

00:25:53.440 American living. So just from, I'm just speaking again, not, let's not even get into the efficacy

00:25:58.360 of vaccines. We're talking math. I'm talking math. Working with the pharma industry, it's a huge

00:26:05.500 economic imperative to get more and more vaccines on the schedule. You couldn't watch the Olympics

00:26:11.680 this past couple of weeks ago without seeing just ad after ad for actually new vaccines.

00:26:17.760 This is a big business, right? Hundreds of billions of dollars. And again, once you get it approved,

00:26:22.800 what happens? It's paid for, for everyone. And you have the most trusted institutions in the world

00:26:29.100 calling anyone a war criminal for even asking a question about it. So this is well known by the

00:26:34.060 industry. And can I just say, so we, um, this will appear on all kinds of different social media

00:26:37.960 platforms, but maybe the biggest is YouTube owned by Google and this, they will censor this. They

00:26:43.940 will demonetize this video just so far. You have not attacked vaccines, but you are showing evidence

00:26:50.640 of some skepticism of their efficacy or the need for them. And YouTube will demonetize this video for

00:26:57.520 what you just said. You're a Stanford educated physician, but YouTube has decided you're not

00:27:04.040 allowed to see this. And I think this is a such an important conversation because I'd ask everyone

00:27:07.440 listening, if they can still listen to this is why is YouTube, why is the media, by the way,

00:27:14.940 YouTube and the media are heavily funded by pharma. Pharma is the number one funder of mainstream

00:27:19.900 news media. And one of the largest funders just demonstrably, just factually, it's just a fact for

00:27:25.120 YouTube ads. You can't watch a YouTube video without seeing pharma ads. So just like their funding and

00:27:29.920 have a direct line, as we talked about this last time, working for these industries, we paid tech

00:27:35.620 companies, we paid media companies, not even to influence consumers, but to have a direct line to

00:27:40.060 them. It's part of the public affairs strategy, right? We know that if we can fund a large part

00:27:45.920 of YouTube's ad budget, we have a direct line of communication to those companies. And then we have

00:27:51.080 studies from Harvard that we've paid for too, saying that it's anti-science to say anything that

00:27:56.000 questions our products, which we can jam down the throats of the people that we now have a direct

00:27:59.920 line of communication to. Right. So the direct line is not to consumers. That's of lesser concern. The

00:28:04.440 direct line is to the media companies. So you can affect censorship. Just as, again, as an economic

00:28:09.680 fact, you know, 80% of NIH grants have a conflict of interest. There's very little conflict of interest

00:28:15.100 rules for academic studies. So the game is clear. You fund the academic studies and you have the seal of

00:28:20.360 Harvard, the seal of the NIH, you know, saying that these products, these pharmaceutical products are

00:28:25.040 perfect. And then you use those studies to influence the tech companies and the media companies that

00:28:30.500 you've also paid and have a direct line of communication that there's misinformation.

00:28:34.860 Let's get back to that B, but I just want to make one macro point. It's the selective outrage. Why are we

00:28:40.340 so concerned about talking about vaccines? Why is it such an impetus from our trusted institutions that

00:28:49.480 you are a horrible parent if you even ask a question about 72 shots to your kids? And why isn't there

00:28:54.580 that level of urgency around childhood nutrition? Or childhood chronic disease.

00:28:59.620 Or childhood chronic disease. Why is it, oh, we can't possibly expect parents not to load their

00:29:04.900 kids with a bunch of sugar and all these toxic ingredients. And by the way, those people can't

00:29:09.560 afford whole food. It's actually racist in class, as Stephen suggests, people should be able to

00:29:15.040 afford organic food. We can't possibly expect parents, you know, to have non-toxic food. But, oh,

00:29:21.060 when it comes to pharmaceutical interventions, there's no price too high. And if you don't

00:29:25.920 follow it to a T, you're a terrible person. Why is it when we have nine out of 10 killers of

00:29:31.840 Americans are preventable lifestyle conditions, when 95% of medical costs go towards reversible

00:29:38.600 chronic conditions that Casey's talking about, why isn't there that urgency of the medical community

00:29:44.780 educating parents about why people are getting sick? And really the only vitriol, the only thing that's

00:29:49.860 being censored, the only thing that's being enforced in the top down is absolute adherence

00:29:53.600 to pharmaceutical products. Why during COVID, which was a metabolic condition, you know, this was a

00:29:59.500 disease that attacked weak immune systems. This was a disease that only killed people that were

00:30:05.000 overweight or metabolically dysfunctional. Americans died at a much higher rate than European or Asian

00:30:10.400 countries. Why wasn't there the same emphasis on hardening up our immune systems and attacking the

00:30:16.120 root cause of that? And it was all the airtime was around a pharmaceutical solution.

00:30:20.180 This doesn't actually make sense, but it gets to the money. So working for the pharma companies,

00:30:27.540 there's just nothing better than getting on the vaccine schedule. And that should not be a

00:30:30.640 controversial comment, right? If you have a list of drugs that are mandated for every single American

00:30:36.840 and pay for that government, you want to get on that schedule.

00:30:39.340 So there's a battle.

00:30:40.120 Controversial comment, it's not allowed. It's a verboten comment. You're not allowed to say that.

00:30:45.440 They will demonetize this video for what you just said.

00:30:49.140 And I would ask-

00:30:49.960 What does that tell you?

00:30:50.640 I would ask the media companies and ask YouTube to have the same passion for childhood chronic disease

00:30:59.780 and nutrition as they do for enforcing unanimity on pharmaceutical injections for kids.

00:31:05.140 So just to- Amen. I couldn't agree more. It's infuriating. It's worse than that. It's evil.

00:31:12.520 Again, video just demonetized. It's worth it. But let me ask, so to the specifics of the Hep B shot

00:31:19.160 that- I'm sure all my four children had it. I didn't even know anyone had it.

00:31:23.020 We had it.

00:31:23.460 We had it.

00:31:23.860 We had it too, of course.

00:31:26.820 Is there a- I mean, just take the other side for a second.

00:31:30.380 Yeah.

00:31:30.880 Like, is there a reason that we would do this?

00:31:32.880 I pushed, and I welcome any doctor to respond to this. I pushed leading medical experts on this.

00:31:38.640 I'm like, okay, so a child's born, let's just take the side. The child's born,

00:31:43.040 Hep B is spread by two routes, sexually transmitted disease or intravenous needles.

00:31:48.640 So my one day old isn't going to be having sex or doing heroin right away. So what's the purpose

00:31:55.280 of getting this on the schedule in the first day of life, the first hours of life?

00:32:01.080 And if you push, and I welcome anyone to do this with their doctor, you get to two things. You get

00:32:06.240 to the American patients are too stupid to remember, so we need to do it right away. That's literally

00:32:09.900 like what they say. And then my doctor told me that a child at daycare could trip over a needle

00:32:15.540 that has Hepatitis B on it. That's literally what they get to. That a needle could be on the

00:32:20.320 playground that somebody just did heroin or something, threw the needle down, it has Hepatitis B

00:32:24.460 blood on it. I asked the doctor, has there ever been in human history, a case of Hepatitis B

00:32:29.040 being transferred that way? They said, no, that it's only through intravenous needles and sex.

00:32:33.980 So you actually, to just to steel man this, and again, welcome anyone to respond. There is not

00:32:39.180 actually a scenario absent of intravenous needles or sex that a person gets Hepatitis B. There is not a

00:32:47.060 reason for this to be given, but it happened. And I saw this. It was a huge investment for this vaccine.

00:32:52.960 It was a huge, huge economic problem. And this shouldn't be controversial. Think about being

00:32:57.960 at these drug companies. You want the drug given out when you've made the investment.

00:33:02.680 So they're able to work with their buddies at the FDA. They're able to use the studies. They're

00:33:06.640 able to, there's this constant feeling in the medical community that the American people are

00:33:10.820 too stupid to ask a question or too stupid to remember to take these important drugs. So

00:33:14.700 there's this argument and momentum to get on the schedule day one, but there's no, there's not

00:33:19.320 actually a medical lesson. And so we haven't even discussed, I mean, I think you have proven

00:33:23.520 the point that there's no good reason. The flip side is, are there good reasons not to take it?

00:33:29.540 So let me just ask you as a physician and a woman of childbearing age, what's your view?

00:33:35.260 I mean, there's not a single medication that exists that doesn't have side effects and where

00:33:39.140 there's not some range of things that can happen when you inject something in the body. And for the

00:33:44.140 hep B vaccine in particular, I mean, the two of the handful of inactive ingredients are formaldehyde

00:33:50.300 and aluminum, which is a neurotoxin. And of course they'll say like, oh, for the body weight of the

00:33:54.280 baby, it's negligible, whatever. But when you're getting several shots at one time, these things

00:33:58.360 make a difference. You know, our bodies are overwhelmed right now with the amount of toxic

00:34:02.160 inputs that are going in and they're breaking our bodies, right? And so, you know, if it's not

00:34:07.220 necessary for the vast majority of kids to have this at birth and you could give it to them when they

00:34:11.980 reach teenage years, right? And they're much bigger and their bodies can handle more of these,

00:34:16.740 you know, these chemicals and toxins that are in these shots, then you have to ask yourself,

00:34:21.280 why are we exposing the whole population to potential risk that any pharmaceutical medication

00:34:26.300 will have a risk of side effects if it's not necessary? And that's a question that I think every

00:34:31.080 parent should be able to ask, you know, but, you know, like Callie talks about, you follow the money,

00:34:38.800 it's pretty sinister. I mean, you look at the American Account of Pediatrics,

00:34:41.980 and like, who are their main funders? Mead Johnson, who makes formula, the company that

00:34:45.600 makes influenza vaccines, Abbott Nutrition, which makes formula. You know, these people

00:34:50.420 are funding the organization that picks, cherry picks the research to make our pediatric

00:34:55.600 guidelines, okay? So there's hundreds of thousands of papers that are published every year about the

00:35:00.860 importance of nutrition and exercise and sleep and avoiding pesticides and avoiding plastics in our

00:35:05.340 foods. Just tens of thousands of papers every single year. But what goes into the guidelines,

00:35:10.980 which are created by professional organizations like the American Diabetes Association, the American

00:35:15.680 Account of Pediatrics, who are funded by things like processed food companies, pharmaceutical

00:35:21.620 companies, and then, of course, in the case of the ADA, people like Coca-Cola and Cadbury. So,

00:35:26.820 you know, people will always say... Cadbury, the chocolate company?

00:35:29.600 Cadbury, the chocolate company. Funded millions of dollars. Funded millions for the American Diabetes

00:35:32.620 Association. So, come on. Absolutely. This is just basic.

00:35:36.380 I just want to say, because I don't want to ever sound judgy or pretend that I have good eating

00:35:40.080 habits, because demonstrably I don't. They make great chocolate bars. Sure.

00:35:44.480 They know they're awesome, but... But they shouldn't be probably influencing our diabetes

00:35:48.460 guidelines, right? I mean... Is that real? You're sure that's true?

00:35:50.600 I am certain that is true. We could all...

00:35:53.360 And I was sure Bush shouldn't be funding, you know, Alcoholics Anonymous. It's just like,

00:35:56.400 I don't... These companies should exist. But, you know, we follow this cult of evidence-based

00:36:02.480 medicine, right? Which is that we follow the guidelines. But the guidelines cherry-pick

00:36:06.900 research from the canon of scientific literature that's out there, which is why when I was in

00:36:11.260 medical school, there were just huge swaths of the science that I wasn't seeing.

00:36:16.020 But so, can I just ask a very fundamental question? Why would we follow the guidelines rather than

00:36:20.520 the outcomes? It's a great question.

00:36:22.380 So, you just said at the... Five minutes ago, you were outlining this terrifying and sad and

00:36:29.120 catastrophic series of stats describing the total collapse of public health in the United States.

00:36:35.060 That's right.

00:36:36.080 And so, who cares what the guidelines are? Doesn't anyone just sort of zoom out for a second and be

00:36:40.860 like, all these kids have diabetes, which leads to dementia. Like, this is a... This is not working.

00:36:46.560 Right.

00:36:46.840 Did no one say that?

00:36:47.500 Well, that's... I mean, the question it's not working is the question I would basically put in

00:36:51.400 front of every doctor in America. Like, if you're not looking around you and just scratching your

00:36:55.680 head and saying, what the hell is going on?

00:36:57.260 Yes.

00:36:57.700 Then you are profiting off of this crisis. You know? And I want every single... The most dangerous

00:37:01.760 thing you can do in America right now, obviously, is ask the question, why? So, you know, I understand...

00:37:05.420 About anything.

00:37:06.100 About anything. But, you know, this is just a point to kind of answer your question about

00:37:11.480 why is this happening? Why aren't we following outcomes? It's institutionalized to not

00:37:16.180 actually focus on outcomes because the business model of the healthcare system is volume. It's

00:37:23.000 how many patients can you see, not what their outcomes are. We are paid for volume, not

00:37:27.640 outcomes. Now...

00:37:28.820 Did you see that as a surgeon?

00:37:31.080 I'm going... Yeah. So, absolutely. I mean, it's how many chart notes can you write and bill

00:37:37.060 every day? That's why doctors are seeing 30 to 40 patients a day with 15 different diagnoses

00:37:42.740 for each one. Obviously, you can't help that patient thrive and get healthier. All you can

00:37:46.260 do is write the prescription because we are paid for volume. And the unofficial mantra of all...

00:37:50.800 All doctors must know that.

00:37:51.520 All doctors know. The unofficial mantra of private practice medicine is you eat what you kill,

00:37:56.280 which means you get paid, you eat for how much volume you can do, how many surgeries you can sell,

00:38:01.620 how many people you can get through in and out of your office. Now, back in when Obamacare was

00:38:06.880 coming about, which was really an utter failure, there was lip service that was paid to this idea

00:38:14.140 of value-based care, okay? Which sounds great on paper, right? So, value is good outcomes over lower

00:38:19.900 cost. This sounds great. We'll get paid more as doctors if we have better outcomes over lower cost.

00:38:24.440 What is the highest value intervention you can do for a patient? Get them to eat healthy. Doesn't cost

00:38:28.360 a lot, has incredible outcomes universally, right? Get them to sleep, get them to exercise. We would

00:38:32.940 have moved towards that. But even that was corrupted by corporate interest because how the doctor had

00:38:38.740 to report on quality was through these metrics called MIPS, basically, you know, merit-based

00:38:43.200 incentive little criteria. And they were... Most of them were based on how many of their patients were

00:38:48.720 medicated. So, instead of a doctor having to report quality as, I have a patient who got better,

00:38:54.240 who got healthier... Which we expect.

00:38:55.940 It was how much of the patient population was on long-term medication. So, the actual good outcome

00:39:02.620 outcome was defined by medication adherence in a practice rather than is the patient reversed of

00:39:09.200 their disease. Every disease I talk... So, it wasn't the actual outcome.

00:39:11.920 It wasn't the outcome. The outcome ended up being how many of the patients took meds. So,

00:39:16.460 even with lip service to good outcomes, it's not a healthier cell. It's a medicated patient. Those

00:39:21.580 are two different things. We did not learn that in medical school.

00:39:24.160 But can I ask you... I mean, again, I don't want to get too personal,

00:39:26.860 but what about the doctors that you were trained with or served under who trained you? I'm sure a

00:39:34.360 lot of them are good people. I know all of them are smart. Yes. The things that you're describing

00:39:39.880 would be pretty easy for anyone with an IQ over 80 to notice.

00:39:44.160 Right.

00:39:44.580 They not notice this? Like, what is that?

00:39:46.820 There are several aspects to it. You know, I think that because med school is funded by pharma,

00:39:51.440 you know, when I was at Stanford Medical School, we got a $3 million grant from Pfizer to revise

00:39:56.160 our curriculum. And you can look up the articles from this time. It was around 2011. The grant was

00:40:03.040 with no strings attached. They had no control over what the curriculum development was going to be.

00:40:07.360 But, you know, if you're accepting $3 million from Pfizer, of course, it's going to have an

00:40:11.400 influence on what we're learning. And the dean received consulting payments as well.

00:40:14.720 Actually?

00:40:15.360 Yeah. The dean during her time, Philip Pizzo, was a pain specialist. Pfizer was one of

00:40:21.320 the largest opioid makers. And he received direct consulting payments from opioid makers. And

00:40:27.720 that year that they received that Pfizer grant, he was appointed, which I was actually involved

00:40:32.420 with, I was working for pharma at the time, to an NIH panel to make opioid guidance with the

00:40:39.180 burgeoning crisis. He selected that panel, how can you have a more prestigious person than the dean

00:40:43.660 of Stanford Med School? Nine out of the 19 people he selected were directly paid for with consulting

00:40:49.180 payments from opioid companies. And that panel in 2011, 2012, recommended more relaxed opioid

00:40:56.560 standards and said that the idea of addictiveness was overblown and led to an increase of the curve

00:41:03.340 in opioid deaths. And, you know, we're talking a lot about the opioid crisis right now. J.D. Vance

00:41:07.620 is talking about it, what's just, you know, destroying Appalachia and large parts of America.

00:41:11.040 And America, what people don't, I think, realize is that the majority of opioid overdose deaths

00:41:17.740 started with a legal prescription. So that's how it works. So I was actually helping.

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00:43:04.760 You know, for the doctors, all the education is just targeted towards having you just have one

00:43:19.820 hammer, right? You have one hammer, which is your prescription pad and your surgery. You don't have

00:43:23.780 any other tools in your toolbox, right? Because from the very beginning, from the very way that

00:43:28.440 we're even taught about the body, it has been corrupted, right? It's rotten. It's rotten the

00:43:33.220 way that we're, it's wrong biologically how we're thinking about the body. But you even look at the

00:43:37.440 med school curriculum. Can you tell us really quick how?

00:43:39.960 Well, in the sense that we don't learn any, they're not, 80% of medical schools don't have

00:43:43.980 a single class on nutrition, and yet food is the cause of nine out of 10 leading causes of death

00:43:47.860 in the United States. So you were saying, but even to zoom out a little further, you were saying at

00:43:51.620 breakfast, you put it so well, of course, I can't remember it exactly. You were saying that

00:43:55.580 medical education disconnects the body into its components, but doesn't address it as a connected thing.

00:44:01.600 So this is the point that's going to potentially create insolvency in our economy and ruin us as

00:44:06.140 a species is this exact point. It's not that the stakes are high.

00:44:11.260 Is that we have convinced people and doctors that the body is a hundred separate parts. The body is

00:44:16.760 one system, one unified system, obviously something happening in your toe can affect everywhere else in

00:44:21.380 the body. And yet we have essentially brainwashed people and doctors to believe that specialization

00:44:28.060 is king, right? What is the most prestigious doctor, right? It's someone who is hyper sub

00:44:33.100 specialized. We basically diminish the value of primary care and pediatrics, these general

00:44:38.160 specialties, yet someone who's a neuro-otologist is like at the peak of the ladder.

00:44:42.560 What is that?

00:44:43.320 It's literally someone who did my residency. So five years of head and neck surgery residency,

00:44:47.020 and then two additional years, just focusing on two square inches of the ear to focus on

00:44:52.580 the ear basically and do surgery of the ear. That is the Dean of Stanford. Right now,

00:44:57.460 the Dean of Stanford Medical School is a neuro-otologist. So the more specialized you get,

00:45:01.280 the more prestigious you get. And what this does is it creates a system in which we actually start

00:45:06.420 to see the body as a hundred different separate parts. And we lose sight of how all of these things

00:45:10.960 are connected. We lose sight of the research that's telling us how all these diseases are connected,

00:45:16.300 that the diabetes that's happening all over your body. Actually, we know that type 2 diabetes

00:45:21.080 greatly increases our risk for hearing loss. But a neuro-otologist doesn't really want to think

00:45:25.000 about that. They want to operate on the ear. Right? And so you lose sight of the connections

00:45:29.840 and you get a patient in 15 different specialist offices. So many Americans are going through this

00:45:35.080 right now, where you go to the primary care doctor with 10 issues and you end up with 10 different

00:45:38.920 referrals to different specialists. And no one has any education, time, or financial incentive

00:45:44.540 to think about how all those diseases are related. So what you do is you have specialists

00:45:51.000 reacting to the symptoms happening in different parts of the body rather than anyone understanding

00:45:57.120 how to think about how it's all connected. Which when you go down that road, when you start asking

00:46:01.480 why, you realize it is extremely, extremely simple. That all aspects of modern American society

00:46:08.880 are rigged against the American patient to get us addicted to food, allusioned to pharma,

00:46:15.580 and just spending 10 hours a day on our phones addicted. And now we are all sick. Our bodies

00:46:20.740 are breaking and it's leading to all these organ-specific symptoms that are related to a very

00:46:26.140 simple root cause. Can I just press you just a tiny bit? Sure. I hate this. I know. Why did you come

00:46:33.460 to that conclusion and none of your colleagues did? I think it's really important to understand why

00:46:41.080 certain people see obvious truths while everyone else is, including smart people, are blinded to

00:46:45.600 them. What about you allowed you to connect these pretty obvious dots? Parenting. How? What did your

00:46:52.340 parents do? My parents. Our parents focused on incentives. Incentives are everything. Incentives

00:46:58.020 are why Americans are sick right now. If we changed the incentives, we'd get healthy in two years. Our

00:47:01.860 country would be the most competitive country in the world. My parents' incentive in our family was to

00:47:08.020 ask questions, not to have any stars or marks or anything. So what was celebrated in our family

00:47:15.780 was sitting down at the dinner table in DC and asking questions and poking at ideas. We were

00:47:21.660 celebrated for thinking about things in a bigger picture. That is not... You talked about this with

00:47:26.120 Tim Dillon on your recent podcast, The Boomers. They just want the stars for their kids to get all

00:47:31.900 these little badges. But that was not what was celebrated. Why? We developed our own compulsion

00:47:36.660 to climb up the ladder, but it was always instilled. Ask questions. Add value. Ask questions.

00:47:42.480 Think for yourself. We never felt actually like our parents were that happy with rising up. It was

00:47:46.780 like, are we being good people? Ask. And that was really instilled in us. Did they have an explicit

00:47:53.060 moral center? Like, this is right, this is wrong? I think they were very spiritual people. We were

00:47:57.240 raised with spirituality. We were reading, you know, sacred texts and the Bible and Rumi and

00:48:03.460 Ayn Rand and all these different things from a young age, discussing it at the dinner table,

00:48:07.440 thinking about philosophy. And so that was what was celebrated.

00:48:11.480 So they were not conformists.

00:48:13.020 When I quit my surgical residency in my fifth and final year, after hundreds of thousands of dollars

00:48:18.680 of my education, my parents threw me a party. They were asked.

00:48:22.380 No way.

00:48:23.240 They came.

00:48:24.240 And no parent would do that.

00:48:25.360 No parent. And they never told me to quit.

00:48:28.460 Hundreds of thousands of dads.

00:48:29.940 Absolutely. They were so proud of me for coming to my own conclusions and seeing it. And there's a lot

00:48:36.200 of-

00:48:36.500 Even though, so the incentive for parents, at least in DC, where I raised my children,

00:48:40.220 is to tell people in your neighborhood, your friends-

00:48:42.780 Oh yeah.

00:48:43.500 That you have a daughter who's a Stanford educated doctor.

00:48:45.040 They never pushed us to go to Stanford. They never pushed us to even, they never,

00:48:48.640 I never once ever in our entire childhood, they said,

00:48:52.020 you need to go to your college counseling meeting ever, ever. They were about having fun and thinking.

00:48:57.000 We were, you know, they were, they were older parents too. You know, my parents were

00:49:00.820 in their forties when they had us, they'd lived lives. They were not living through us. They were

00:49:04.520 spiritually grounded. They're not afraid of death. You know, they don't, they aren't driven by

00:49:09.280 the materialism that just makes you rack up a wall full of, you know, awards. It was about-

00:49:16.120 Oh, you're making me emotional.

00:49:17.600 Yeah.

00:49:18.060 Sound like wonderful people.

00:49:19.160 That is the reason. That is the reason. And I mean, there's privilege involved in it too,

00:49:23.100 of course. Like we had financial backstop. You know, a lot of my friends going to medicine,

00:49:27.420 they were supporting their families, right? And I have so much respect for that.

00:49:31.080 And the fact that-

00:49:31.400 I agree.

00:49:31.760 People's options are limited, but doctors are in a trap. You know, it's $500,000 of education.

00:49:36.940 You have this guaranteed salary and all you have to do is drink the Kool-Aid. All you have to do

00:49:41.500 is stay heads down and not ask questions, not ask why. And you can really feel good about your work,

00:49:47.680 right? People are sick as hell in this country. And we do need people to be doing heart surgery

00:49:51.600 or else people will die. But the thing that is so imperative for people to understand is that

00:49:57.960 the reasons we're having surgery, the reasons why we're getting sick, the reasons why American

00:50:02.360 competitiveness is plummeting, the reasons why our kids are chronically ill, half of the kids in

00:50:09.000 America are chronically ill, are all from preventable issues. So if you're a doctor who's not spending

00:50:14.140 any time on focusing on that, then unfortunately, for better or worse, you are bankrolling on the

00:50:21.400 problem.

00:50:22.320 Do you remember when-

00:50:23.080 I honestly think you're going to change the world. I mean that. I mean that.

00:50:27.260 Thank you.

00:50:28.540 Thank you.

00:50:29.100 Just had to say that.

00:50:29.880 Thank you. Thank you for having us here.

00:50:31.660 Oh, sorry. Your description of your parents is, ugh.

00:50:36.340 It brings me to tears.

00:50:37.060 Oh my gosh.

00:50:37.860 I cannot wait to have children. There is no greater role. There is no greater role in this

00:50:41.340 world. And, you know, I was sold such a bill of lies, like climb the corporate, you know,

00:50:44.560 climb the medical ladder, become the chair of an institution. I can think of no greater thing

00:50:48.820 than we can do than have children and keep them healthy, right? And I just, you know, up until a

00:50:54.260 couple of years ago, I didn't even want to have children because I thought it was a liability to

00:50:56.780 this value system of just like rise the ranks, you know, make money. But I don't think there's

00:51:02.700 anything more important we could be doing than creating healthy children who are thinking for

00:51:06.060 themselves, who are eating healthy food. And I cannot wait for that role. And I think it's a

00:51:10.400 spiritual corruption of our society right now that we have forgotten that this is the most

00:51:14.240 important thing that we can do. You know, it's unbelievable how far off we are. And I think

00:51:20.820 it is deeply a spiritual crisis because we have lost sight of what really matters in our lives.

00:51:25.840 And you are singing my song, right? And much better than I ever could. So that is, sorry.

00:51:29.800 Right. So just completely carried away. So I guess now is the time since we're talking about your

00:51:37.140 parents. Tell us, and your brother and I have talked about this at some length. I know this

00:51:41.760 is painful, but about your mother, her illness, how that affected your, what you're doing now.

00:51:47.120 Our mother was our best friend. This book is dedicated to her. And, you know, I think my mom,

00:51:54.740 she's sort of the archetypal American patient, you know, and she's someone who was totally faithful

00:52:02.340 to the American healthcare system. And like so many other Americans was ultimately completely let down

00:52:06.540 by it. You know, she passed away far too early after 40 years of completely missed warning signs of

00:52:14.420 the root causes of all the different symptoms and conditions she was racking up. So, you know,

00:52:19.200 she had me when she was 40. I was a humongous baby born at Sibley Hospital. I was almost 12 pounds.

00:52:25.300 Callie was almost 12 pounds. And that's a huge baby. And, you know, there's actually a term for

00:52:29.540 a baby over 8.5 pounds, which is fetal macrosomia, which portends metabolic issues in a mother and

00:52:34.460 metabolic issues in the baby. And I had them. I was 210 pounds by the time I was in eighth grade,

00:52:38.980 you know, and my mom had trouble losing the baby weight, had a very tough menopause in her 60s,

00:52:43.060 got all the American diagnoses, high cholesterol, they gave her a statin, high blood pressure,

00:52:47.180 they gave her an ACE inhibitor, high blood sugar, they gave her metformin. Oh, this is normal.

00:52:50.920 It's a rite of passage. You know, every American's getting these diseases. So she went to all the

00:52:54.880 specialists. She went to the cardiologist and the endocrinologist and her primary care doctor,

00:52:58.500 got all these medications. And then, you know, she's 72 years old, doing everything the doctors

00:53:03.140 are telling her to do, taking the pills every single day. And she gets a diagnosis of,

00:53:07.080 she had some belly pain one day, went to the doctor. It lasted for a few weeks. She got a CT scan,

00:53:12.360 stage four, widely metastatic pancreatic cancer. She was dead 13 days later.

00:53:16.720 And she was seen at the best hospitals in the country. You know, she was seeing it,

00:53:19.960 she was getting executive physicals at Mayo. She was being seen at Stanford and Palo Alto Medical

00:53:23.940 Foundation. And they looked at us in the eye and they looked at us after her death and said,

00:53:28.460 oh my God, this is so unlucky. And I knew enough at that time to know there was nothing unlucky about

00:53:34.680 this. This was an entirely predictable sequence of events from the age of 40 to the age of 72.

00:53:41.140 As you've suggested, I think every possible advantage, like clearly high functioning person

00:53:47.100 who followed the guidance, had the means to do it, had a daughter with specialty knowledge,

00:53:53.640 a physician daughter. So like she had every possible advantage.

00:53:58.060 Did every single thing they said and died at 72 in the prime of her life from conditions that were

00:54:04.960 on the exact same spectrum. So these can, every condition I mentioned earlier in this episode and

00:54:09.660 every condition she had are on this metabolic disease spectrum.

00:54:12.940 So you believe, so pancreatic cancer specifically, if my memory serves, and I think it does,

00:54:18.340 was kind of an unusual, it was always famously dangerous, deadly.

00:54:22.360 Skyrocketing.

00:54:23.400 I have noticed like all of a sudden people, you know.

00:54:26.520 What are the risk factors? Obesity, diabetes, smoking.

00:54:30.260 It is fundamentally a lifestyle disease.

00:54:34.780 Pancreatic cancer.

00:54:35.240 Why it is going up.

00:54:36.220 So is breast cancer.

00:54:37.240 Breast cancer. I mean, breast cancer is now one in eight women. You know, this is an estrogen,

00:54:40.780 often an estrogen-

00:54:41.300 Foodborne illness.

00:54:42.320 Estrogen-driven cancer. Well, where are all these extra estrogens coming from? Oh, huh. Maybe it's

00:54:48.160 the 6 billion pounds of pesticides that are being invisibly sprayed on all of our food and poisoning

00:54:54.320 it. And what are these pesticides doing? They're estrogen receptor agonists. Interesting. Being

00:54:59.620 sold to us from China and from Germany, you know.

00:55:03.320 Which they're not using in their food there.

00:55:04.960 Illegal.

00:55:05.340 So what does that, what does that mean? I'm sorry. I just want to make sure the science is clear

00:55:09.500 because I don't, I don't really understand it. It's the effects of these chemicals on food is what?

00:55:15.240 So the, the, ostensibly these, these chemicals are being used 6 billion pounds globally per year

00:55:21.320 because of pest control. They're also being used on our children's parks and golf courses and all

00:55:25.720 over the place. They're invisible, they're tasteless, and they are directly toxic to our

00:55:29.860 cellular biology. So they're pesticide. Side is the word for the act of killing. So herbicides and

00:55:35.580 pesticides, fungicides. And they are so toxic that 20% of all suicides globally are performed by

00:55:43.000 drinking pesticides. And yet we're told by our government that they're totally safe. There's this,

00:55:47.600 this one will, this one will shock you. Uh, but you look at, so, you know, the largest merger ever

00:55:54.720 done in Germany was Bayer Monsanto, where Bayer, uh, which is a pharmaceutical company merged with

00:56:00.400 Monsanto, which is an agrochemical company in the United States. Um, if you look at what, uh, Bayer

00:56:06.220 makes, they make cancer drugs for things like non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. And if you look at what Monsanto

00:56:13.320 makes, which is Roundup, which is the most widely used pesticide in America, the cancer that it,

00:56:17.600 uh, causes is non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. They paid out $11 billion in the past couple of years for

00:56:23.760 non-Hodgkin's lymphoma cases. So the companies are merging that are directly known to cause the disease

00:56:29.720 with a medical company that has a treatment for the disease. Like this is very, very dark. And, um,

00:56:37.120 so like Callie said, you know, it's kind of this revolving door, uh, between create the illness,

00:56:41.680 treat the illness and hide the science that tells us what's happening.

00:56:46.700 But, but this is all result of the food industry wanting food cheaper. And we spend per capita

00:56:52.160 half as much on food as, as they do in Europe. Uh, but we spend three times more per capita on

00:56:57.440 healthcare. So I, my big point to everyone is this is not the free market at work. This is

00:57:03.580 food companies lobbying to have neurotoxins and endocrine disrupting chemicals on our food that

00:57:09.520 that are toxic that aren't allowed on any other food in any other developed country in order to

00:57:14.720 make food a lot cheaper. And then to your point about, you know, what does the, um, what do these

00:57:19.580 chemicals do? It increases estrogen. Um, and you know, these kids are inhaling hormone disrupting

00:57:27.660 chemicals. So the New York Times recently had a front page article, uh, that puberty rates,

00:57:33.860 particularly among women in the United States are plummeting. Uh, people are hitting puberty

00:57:38.640 younger years earlier, younger people girls. How young the average girl in America is getting

00:57:45.080 hitting puberty, which is sexual maturity six years earlier than they were in 1900. We have the

00:57:51.680 earliest puberty rates of any continent in the world. It's age 10 and 10 to 13. And this is in large

00:58:01.100 part thought to do because of, we are literally giving children estrogen with all the plastics

00:58:07.760 we're ingesting, which are xeno estrogens, meaning they are exogenous artificial estrogens and the

00:58:14.280 pesticides, which can activate the estrogen receptors like atrazine. I mean, you can put atrazine,

00:58:20.500 which is a pesticide that we spray, uh, about 70 million pounds of in the U S every year. It's not

00:58:29.660 legal in Europe, but it's sold to us from international countries. It's not legal in Europe?

00:58:33.600 No, you cannot use it. And you put this on a developing male frog embryo and it turns into

00:58:40.240 a female frog. That's how much of an estrogen disrupting, an estrogen or an endocrine disrupting

00:58:44.900 chemical that it is. And so these chemicals are not inert. And again, because we can cherry pick

00:58:51.160 science and so much of these science, I mean, these papers are PR papers paid for by industry.

00:58:56.900 The Monsanto papers was a huge thing that, you know, revelation, they had to declassify these

00:59:02.680 documents that Monsanto had basically ghostwritten scientific papers to say that these chemicals

00:59:08.080 are safe.

00:59:09.260 But can I just ask an obvious question? So, um, the incidents of transgenderism or whatever we're

00:59:14.700 calling it, uh, have, you know, sky, I mean, skyrocket thousands of percent increase in the last 10

00:59:20.680 years. And there are many threads to this. It's partly a political movement, social movement, but

00:59:24.840 you sort of wonder if it's not also a biological response to these chemicals. Is that possible?

00:59:31.160 I'll say, I'll say this, just as a demonstrable fact, our child's environment is to an unprecedented

00:59:38.520 degree full of hormone disrupting chemicals. The assault on a child's cells and hormones

00:59:44.840 is unrelenting right now.

00:59:46.920 Unrelenting. And their bodies are small. They can't handle it. You know, so you take a child

00:59:51.680 and you put them on a screen for the average kid is using a screen seven hours a day. Okay.

00:59:57.220 And so this is hitting their dopamine. So that's one input. You've got, we're eating a credit

01:00:01.740 cards worth of plastic per week, right? And these are hormone disrupting chemicals. All

01:00:06.300 of our food is-

01:00:07.000 How are we eating plastic in that volume?

01:00:09.840 Well, the plastic, well, plastics are in everything now. They're in our air. There are nanoparticles

01:00:14.280 of plastic in the air we're breathing. They're in our water. They're covering every piece of

01:00:18.700 food that we buy in the grocery store. You go to Europe, all the vegetables are just, you

01:00:22.100 know, they're just in these free markets, you know, they're not packaged. In the U.S.,

01:00:25.920 you go to Trader Joe's, every single piece of food is covered in plastic. That's, you've

01:00:29.220 got the plastic water bottles. Every single can that we drink in the United States is

01:00:32.740 lined with a plastic coating.

01:00:34.120 Every single one. It's all getting in. And this can actually directly disrupt our mitochondrial

01:00:39.000 function, which is the metabolic machinery of the cell. So microplastics actually can disrupt

01:00:43.660 the way we make energy in the body. And we know that metabolic issues are the root cause

01:00:49.080 of every chronic illness facing Americans today. You can't make this up, you know? And

01:00:53.920 then you have the endocrine, you have the, there's many effects of these things, but endocrine

01:00:59.920 disrupting and mitochondrial disruption are two of the really big ones. Then you've got the

01:01:04.280 kids eating 70% of their calories that a child is eating today is from a factory, industrially

01:01:10.100 manufactured ultra processed foods. We know that these foods are destroying our cellular

01:01:14.120 biology. So it's really, you know, and with school start times, kids are not getting enough

01:01:17.900 sleep. So across sleep, across movement, you know, the average kid is spending less time

01:01:22.440 outdoors than a prisoner in America right now. Like kids are not going outside. We're not getting

01:01:26.720 the sunshine. Our circadian rhythms are destroyed. So every level of society, public school start

01:01:32.220 times are disrupting our food, our nutrients, our sleep, our stress and dopamine, our movement

01:01:39.240 patterns and our toxins. And we are just, we are getting destroyed.

01:01:43.320 And this is the visible hand. And we just have to understand this when we're thinking

01:01:47.920 about healthcare policy. There's nothing more profitable than a sick child, as I said, or

01:01:52.320 really hijacking a kid's dopamine, right? Think about the trillions of dollars that are

01:01:56.500 generated from a child's dopamine being hacked, being on that phone all day. You know, it's

01:02:00.360 neither good nor bad necessarily. It's just an economic fact. There's a huge incentive for

01:02:03.920 that kid to be, you know, their chronic stress to be just triggered nonstop on that phone.

01:02:08.100 There's huge profit for a child to be addicted to ultra-processed food and continuing to demand

01:02:13.260 from their parents that food. You know, there's huge incentive for a child to be sick and getting

01:02:18.840 on the statins, which are doubled in prescription rates in high schools in the past 10 years,

01:02:24.080 to get on the SSRIs that are now handed out like candy in high schools, to get on the metformin,

01:02:29.360 you know, to get on the ozimpic, which is now being recommended. They're pushing for six

01:02:32.380 years old enough for if your child is overweight, lifetime prescription ozimpic.

01:02:35.580 Um, that's very profitable. So, so you have basically the free market at work. I think

01:02:41.180 capitalism is the greatest invention in human history, but just looking agnostically at the

01:02:46.340 incentives, it's as many pills as we can give that kid, as much we can keep that kid in fear,

01:02:51.120 as much as we can keep that kid sick without dying right away. That's what's fueling the largest

01:02:55.620 industries in the country. Most of us, well, actually all of us go through our daily lives using

01:03:00.460 all sorts of quote, free technology without paying attention to why it's quote free. Who's paying

01:03:07.220 for this and how? Think about it for a minute. Think about your free email account, the free

01:03:12.680 messenger system used to chat with your friends, the free other weather app or game app you open up

01:03:18.900 and never think about. It's all free, but is it? No, it's not free. These companies aren't developing

01:03:26.460 expensive products and just giving them to you because they love you. They're doing it because

01:03:31.560 their programs take all your information. They hoover up your data, private personal data and

01:03:37.400 sell it to data brokers and the government. And all of those people who are not your friends

01:03:43.400 are very interested in manipulating you and your personal political and financial decisions. It's

01:03:49.080 scary as hell. And it's happening out in the open without anybody saying anything about it.

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01:05:34.400 Let me just ask, there's so many, this could go on 10 hours. Let's just stop with Ozempic really

01:05:54.360 quick because Ozempic, and you and I had a pretty remarkable conversation about Ozempic. And at the

01:05:59.880 end of it, I thought, well, that's never going to be popular because that's kind of terrifying.

01:06:03.760 I was wrong as usual, and now it is ubiquitous. Kids are taking it, college students are taking it.

01:06:10.060 As a physician, what's your view of Ozempic?

01:06:15.520 I think it's very dark. I think it's a stranglehold on the U.S. population,

01:06:20.680 almost like solidifying this idea that there is a magic pill. I mean, literally,

01:06:25.620 the book by Yohan Ari is called Magic Pill. And convincing us that salvation from our chronic

01:06:33.540 health issues is going to be found in a shop when we are living in a toxic strew that's destroying

01:06:37.960 our cellular biology. Of course, for certain patients, taking GLP-1 agonist is going to be

01:06:42.720 helpful for their conditions. It might jumpstart their way to getting back to health.

01:06:45.800 Is that the name of the active drug?

01:06:47.600 GLP-1 agonist. Yeah. So GLP-1-

01:06:49.640 Sorry, not fluent in this.

01:06:51.360 No, no. That's what the medications are. And so they're basically simulating a hormone that's

01:06:55.920 made in our digestive system that cues satiety and does many other things. And so-

01:07:01.260 Cues satiety means making you feel full.

01:07:04.240 Making us, you know, and what's so interesting, you know, like we are, like Callie said earlier,

01:07:08.380 we are the only species in the world that has an obesity and chronic disease epidemic. The only

01:07:15.340 species in the world that has a chronic disease and obesity epidemic because of ultra-processed

01:07:21.780 food. You think about every other animal in the wild, they're eating real natural foods except

01:07:25.120 for domesticated animals, which are also getting chronic diseases just like humans because they're

01:07:28.480 eating our food. But every other animal, they're able to regulate their satiety. They're not eating

01:07:32.160 themselves to death like we are. We're literally eating ourselves to death. The reason is because

01:07:35.760 these foods like Callie talked about with the cigarette companies and the scientists moving to

01:07:39.180 create addictive ultra-processed foods, they are designed to subvert our satiety mechanisms like

01:07:44.700 GLP-1 secretion so that we never know that we're full. But if we were eating whole real food, we would

01:07:50.400 cue the exquisite satiety mechanisms in our bodies and we would not overeat. If you're eating real,

01:07:56.500 whole, unprocessed, nutrient-rich foods, we have receptors in our gut that make us feel full.

01:08:02.420 It's not rocket science.

01:08:03.500 You almost can't. If you eat just protein, which is hard-

01:08:06.120 You can't overeat.

01:08:07.060 You cannot overeat.

01:08:07.860 No, that's right.

01:08:08.760 You can't eat too much steak. It's not even possible.

01:08:10.780 And think about this. It's incredible. If you can convince people that this is not true and defy

01:08:18.820 the entire animal kingdom, what's happening with other animals, this could be on track to be the

01:08:25.060 most profitable medication ever in human history. It will be if the powers that be let it. And the

01:08:32.140 unfortunate part is that it doesn't take our bodies out of the toxic stew that's crushing our

01:08:36.880 biology. Yes, we may melt some fat, but we're essentially creating starvation to melt fat and

01:08:42.620 muscle without changing any of the other levers that we just talked about that are crushing our

01:08:46.840 biology. So this is not the public health solution. You look at what's happening though-

01:08:51.360 Do you think there are potential downsides to it?

01:08:53.380 I mean, there's every medication has downsides and this one has well-known side effects. It

01:09:00.220 disproportionately causes us to lose muscle mass, which creates frailty, which is one of the things

01:09:04.180 that can cause old people in old age to have very poor quality of life and early death. It has a higher

01:09:08.680 rate of thyroid cancer. It has risks on the label of kidney dysfunction, of pancreatitis, of all sorts of

01:09:17.140 things. Every medication has side effects. So if we're going to mass prescribe this, so there's a

01:09:21.180 bill right now in Congress, HR 4818, which is the Treat and Reduce Obesity Act. And you look at this

01:09:29.080 and you think, oh, this is great. The government's focusing more on obesity and this is awesome.

01:09:33.260 There's one line that all that matters in that, which is that they want to expand Medicare access

01:09:38.140 to include coverage for obesity medications, which are these drugs, for people that include

01:09:44.420 overweight and obese. That is 74% of the American population. If this bill goes through and everyone

01:09:51.300 who is eligible for this drug gets it paid by taxpayers, that will represent over $3 trillion

01:09:57.980 per year in drugs to the American people without changing any of the root causes of what is making

01:10:04.340 us sick. And to add insult to injury, this will be taxpayer money being largely funneled to Europe

01:10:10.420 who makes the drug. So people need to make- Which they don't prescribe. And it's 10 times

01:10:16.100 less expensive and it's not the standard of care in Norway when you are obese.

01:10:21.480 Is that where it's made?

01:10:22.300 Yeah.

01:10:23.040 Nobody Nordes.

01:10:23.860 Yeah. There's a stepladder and you get the keto diet and exercise incentivized from the government.

01:10:29.060 In the country that makes those up big.

01:10:30.880 And the American Academy of Pediatrics and their most recent obesity guidelines are recommending

01:10:34.480 these drugs for kids as young as 12.

01:10:36.820 And pushing for six.

01:10:37.680 This is a lifelong medication at the cost of about $1,500 a month with many side effects

01:10:43.280 that does not change any of the root causes issues that are toxifying, literally destroying

01:10:48.700 our brains and bodies.

01:10:49.440 Can I ask, I mean, as you've said three times, and I hope you'll say it three more, every drug

01:10:54.440 has side effects. But they seem like intentionally downplayed in a lot of cases. I have no, I mean,

01:11:03.000 most famously with certain COVID-related medicines. But there are others where they just don't really

01:11:08.800 want to talk about, doctors don't seem to want to talk about the potential side effects. Why is that?

01:11:13.760 Because if you have an obese patient-

01:11:15.800 It's weird.

01:11:16.480 Okay. Let me just paint the picture. They're pushing for six, obese or overweight.

01:11:23.160 Six years old.

01:11:23.780 Yeah. So we have obviously an obesity crisis among six-year-olds right now in the country. In Japan,

01:11:30.920 the childhood obesity rate is 3%. In the United States, 50% of teens-

01:11:35.980 This is uniquely American.

01:11:37.260 50% of teens are overweight or obese. So let's just look at that, right? We're clearly just

01:11:42.120 force-feeding into our children toxic food that's causing this massive issue. And now any parent

01:11:49.680 watching, particularly lower income, because this bill is pushing for Medicaid. So if you're a lower

01:11:54.100 income- So why are they lobbying? Why is this company in Scandinavia one of the five largest

01:11:59.940 lobbying spenders in America and pushing so hard for this? And why is the stock so high and it's

01:12:05.760 the 12th most valuable company in the world? They're expecting 80% to 90% of their profits from

01:12:10.560 the United States from the government by rigging the institution. What institution are pharma companies

01:12:16.220 rigging? They're actually rigging Medicaid. They're actually profiting off poor people.

01:12:20.560 Medicaid is spending more on mitochondrial dysfunction than the entire U.S. defense budget

01:12:25.400 and growing much faster, right?

01:12:28.220 This is a-

01:12:28.680 Mitochondrial dysfunction.

01:12:29.720 Various-

01:12:30.420 Metabolic issues.

01:12:30.960 Metabolic issues.

01:12:31.880 This core cellular dysfunction.

01:12:33.580 We're spending on Medicaid more on preventable metabolic chronic conditions than the defense

01:12:39.260 budget. And Medicaid's one of the fastest growing items in the budget. That's all rigged by

01:12:44.840 pharma as a piggy bank. So this bill, if you put Ozempic on that schedule, then any lower

01:12:49.920 income six-year-old, the doctor can say, I've got Harvard studies here saying that obesity

01:12:55.560 is genetic. It's not your child's fault. Let's get them a lifetime jabs.

01:12:59.980 Well, if it's genetic, why didn't it exist 100 years ago?

01:13:03.120 Good question. But Harvard and the NIH and the American Academy of P-Directures are saying

01:13:07.540 it's a brain disease. It's genetic. And on 60 Minutes, as we talked about, a leading Harvard

01:13:11.660 physician, Fatima Cody Stanford, said that throw willpower out the window. This is a genetic

01:13:16.600 condition. And it's actually, she said, an affront and classist and racist to suggest it's anything

01:13:21.880 other than genetic. So that's the message being told from medical system. You ask why?

01:13:27.260 Because the second you can get that six-year-old on a lifetime injection, and let's just take this

01:13:31.940 to every drug. It's the chronic disease treadmill. They're told that injection is a savior, right?

01:13:36.640 And then the government, it's the largest line item in our budget. It's going to bankrupt the

01:13:41.900 country. It's growing faster than any other line item in the budget, right? And Medicaid,

01:13:46.880 the government is going to pay for that lower income kid $1,500 a month because the government

01:13:53.180 also has to just pay the sticker price, right? We're paying our sticker price is 10 times more

01:13:59.020 expensive than Germany. So the second you get something on the Medicaid schedule,

01:14:05.900 then all lower income people are open season. And what's so criminal about this and what's so

01:14:13.140 representative why this is a problem is that the medical system is saying, they're saying it's a

01:14:17.680 social justice issue. It's a moral issue. We have to pay $1,500 for 74% of US adults who are overweight or

01:14:26.540 obese per month, that we have to find the money. The stock is the 12th most valuable company in the

01:14:31.880 world out of expectation that the US is going to say that. But where is that urgency from the medical

01:14:36.820 system about why this stuff is happening in the first place, why it's not happening in Japan?

01:14:41.480 Where's the urgency on saying, hey, parents, maybe we shouldn't feed our kids toxic food.

01:14:47.340 Maybe we should be looking at the root cause of obesity. This is the key point. Forget any public

01:14:53.100 policy. The medical leadership should just say the truth. They should explain why there's an

01:14:59.300 obesity crisis among children. It's not a Olympic deficiency. It's because of very simple inputs to

01:15:06.720 our metabolic environment and frankly, a rigged system where our food has been compromised. There's

01:15:11.560 nothing conservative or liberal about our food system being compromised. Oh, I couldn't agree more.

01:15:14.880 The medical system before any public policy should simply state that. And a key point in America

01:15:20.620 is that we listen to our medical leaders. We changed our diet when the food pyramid came out.

01:15:27.240 Smoking rates plummeted when the Surgeon General Report came out.

01:15:29.960 The majority of Americans got the COVID vaccine.

01:15:31.640 When Dr. Fauci said, get the vaccine. We respect and listen. But medical providers,

01:15:37.680 they actually literally have social justice components where they're actually not able to

01:15:42.720 recommend natural food because there's a component in the USDA nutrition guidelines which takes

01:15:48.260 them count social justice. So they're worried about affordability.

01:15:51.380 May I ask, what does that mean? So it's racist to eat non-poisonous food?

01:15:55.880 In America, it is classist and racist to suggest that mothers shouldn't be poisoning their kids. Yes,

01:16:01.860 that is what the USDA argues. So it seems like yet another example, there are so many of them,

01:16:05.880 and you've talked about them when you were lobbying for Coke, of the richest people in the society,

01:16:10.480 the ones who are looting the society, using issues like racism or sexism or classism as cudgels to

01:16:17.840 beat back criticism of their looting. Right. The NAACP is a registered lobbyist for

01:16:22.520 Osempic today. They're a registered- I mean, the part that makes us scratch our head is like,

01:16:27.880 how is it, how can we, how are we so delusional that we think it is easier to inject a child

01:16:33.960 weekly for life than find a way to get that child healthy food? Like we, that is, that is a track

01:16:40.240 that we're on right now. That is as, that is insane, but we're believing it. We're drinking

01:16:44.480 that Kool-Aid. It doesn't make any sense. We could take these dollars so simply, so easily,

01:16:49.380 and funnel them towards healthier diet and lifestyle. $3 trillion a year. We could, we could

01:16:54.040 feed every country, every single American family with organic food for $3 trillion a year. But

01:16:58.320 instead we're, we're taking those healthcare dollars and steering them towards drugs, which doesn't

01:17:02.660 fix the root cause issue. Our message isn't drug or anti-drug. It's just like,

01:17:07.220 let's look at the problem. Like say, say you're just an alien that came down from space. You look

01:17:10.720 at America, kids and adults are just overwhelmingly metabolic dysfunctional, obese, diabetic. It's

01:17:16.260 like, you'd never say like, let's keep, have this keep happening and then jab everyone and drug

01:17:20.460 everyone and manage the good. It was just never, it's just follow the science. Maybe drugs actually do

01:17:24.760 come into play there, but the history of chronic disease medications has been a complete disaster.

01:17:29.300 We always say, if you have a gunshot wound, an emergency surgical need, that's going to kill

01:17:34.540 you right away, complicated childbirth, infection, a hundred percent. The medical system is a miracle.

01:17:38.660 Acute issues.

01:17:39.620 Chronic disease medications didn't exist before 1960. The first one was the birth control pill. The

01:17:44.520 first pill that you took for more than a couple of weeks that didn't cure the issue right away.

01:17:48.360 Ever.

01:17:49.360 So in 1960, 0% of the medical budget was on chronic conditions where we can talk about that,

01:17:55.340 but 90, 0% was chronic conditions. Today, 95% of spending is on chronic conditions because what

01:17:59.980 the system realized is that they can take the trust engendered after World War II with antibiotics and

01:18:05.340 various medical innovations that helped win that war and then steer it towards chronic conditions.

01:18:10.160 So by the 1970s, 30% of women in the United States were on Valium, a highly addictive drug.

01:18:15.980 Physically addictive.

01:18:16.700 Yeah. And it's just been a battle to shift the medical system to chronic disease.

01:18:22.420 Can we just go to the pill really quick? And I just want to say upfront that, you know,

01:18:26.260 I'm Protestant, never had a problem with birth control, never thought about it, but at all.

01:18:33.060 So that's my position or has been my position, which is actually radically changing as we speak,

01:18:37.300 but I've always felt that way. So I never really thought about it, but I always noticed

01:18:40.940 that you were not allowed to criticize the pill, period. Like that was not allowed in the world I

01:18:47.900 grew up in. You can have all kinds of kooky opinions. You cannot criticize the birth control pill.

01:18:51.220 And now I feel like maybe we were played a little bit. You're laughing sardonically.

01:18:58.260 Yeah. I mean, I, I, I can speak as a physician, but I can also just speak as a woman who has taken

01:19:03.980 all these different medications because it's liberation. It's liberation. We can do whatever

01:19:08.400 we want, you know, and I can, who needs to get a period when you can, you know, work in the hospital

01:19:14.200 a hundred hours a week and put off having, and then I freeze my eggs at 37 and have kids, you know,

01:19:18.540 so as a woman, I mean, I, I do think of course these drugs have helped in some ways, but we

01:19:24.880 are prescribing them like candy. We're prescribing them for acne. We're prescribing them for PCOS,

01:19:29.680 polycystic ovarian syndrome, the leading cause of infertility in the United States, which is

01:19:32.580 a metabolic issue driven by our food, um, and how the food interacts with genetics. And then of

01:19:38.080 course for birth control. So you've got these medications that are literally shutting down

01:19:45.080 the, the hormones in the female body that create this cyclical life giving nature of women.

01:19:52.420 We basically told women, these hormones don't matter. Your ability to create the most miracle

01:19:57.900 of any miracles, which is create life to shut it down. There's no impacts. That's crazy to me.

01:20:03.500 And as I've woken up from this, I've realized like your cycle and having these hormonal cycles

01:20:08.760 is, is part and parcel with our health in every possible way. And also with the miracle

01:20:13.460 of creating life. And so for years, you just lose the biofeedback of what's happening with

01:20:20.220 your cycle. It is the, it is one of the key barometers of female health. How is your cycle

01:20:24.420 doing? Is it regular? Is it heavy? And we're just, we just shut it down and say, there's no

01:20:28.840 repercussions for that, which I think gets to a larger issue, which is a disrespect of life,

01:20:32.900 right? It's a disrespect of things that create life. And I think about, you've got the pill

01:20:38.920 and it just goes hand in hand with the rise. And this is going to seem a little far out

01:20:42.660 there, but like it goes rise and rise with the hand of industrial agriculture, you know,

01:20:46.020 the spraying of these pesticides, the things that give life in this world, which are women

01:20:50.400 and soil. We have tried to dominate and shut down the cycles. We have lost respect for life,

01:20:56.560 which again, gets to the spiritual crisis.

01:20:59.160 Keep going, keep going. I love this. You are speaking truth right now.

01:21:04.080 For the sake of efficiency, right? For this delusion of short-term gains for yields, for

01:21:10.040 profit. But what we need to realize is that we live in an interdependent ecosystem that has to be

01:21:15.560 harmonious, not dominated, which means gentler, you know? And so by taking a hammer to women's

01:21:21.220 hormones, taking a hammer to pests, what we've done is we've essentially, we are destroying the

01:21:26.980 things that give us life in this country. And that is why, that is, I think, part of the root

01:21:32.500 cause of why things feel so dark right now, because it's bigger than all of this. We are

01:21:36.680 actually turning our back on life.

01:21:38.560 Does it surprise you that all of this happened within 20 years of developing the atom bomb?

01:21:43.040 No. And I mean, speaking of that, you know, I mean, I think it's really interesting to think

01:21:46.600 about the relationship between war and what's happening.

01:21:48.860 100%.

01:21:49.140 So where did all these pesticides that have destroyed our life-giving soil and are creating

01:21:54.760 a fragile food system, which is going to create a food crisis at some point, where did they all

01:21:58.220 come from? Nazi Germany, right? So Hitler was developing chemicals of war and trying to create

01:22:04.600 agriculture solutions to create more food yields for Germany. And some of these pesticides,

01:22:10.720 these organophosphate chemicals were turned directly into sprays that were putting on all our food.

01:22:15.400 The interrelationship between Nazi Germany and what's being sprayed on every piece of food in

01:22:19.620 the United States is deeply linked. And we need to think about that.

01:22:22.940 Right. 15% of high school-

01:22:23.920 And one other thing I just want to say, this is being federally subsidized by the government

01:22:28.060 through the farm bills. We haven't spoken about the farm bills, but you think about this funneling

01:22:32.760 of money that's happening and how the government in a way is working against us. And I don't think

01:22:36.520 it's nefarious at all. I think people just don't understand. We've talked to so many Congress

01:22:40.480 people. They just don't understand the health effects of all these things that are happening.

01:22:45.400 And everyone likes their Oreos. So it's a tough issue because we're addicted. But the farm bills

01:22:51.480 are making all these unhealthy foods cheaper. They federally subsidize commodity crops, which are

01:22:58.480 turned into processed food. So this is the corn, the soy, the wheat, making these foods artificially

01:23:05.320 cheaper. So this is why people say, and this is where the social justice piece comes into it.

01:23:12.180 It is in many ways, it is much harder as a poor American to buy food that is not poisoned because

01:23:17.900 our government is making the poisoned food cheaper. You know, what is happening? We don't even-

01:23:23.980 It's not a free market.

01:23:24.700 It's not a free market at work.

01:23:26.820 This is not a free market.

01:23:28.300 It's rigged. It's rigged against poor people. And so there's nothing conservative about what's

01:23:34.440 happening.

01:23:34.760 And President Trump is calling this out.

01:23:37.080 Yes.

01:23:37.240 He's obviously calling this out. But calling out a rigged market is not an attack on the

01:23:42.000 free market. We need to speak truth here, particularly when it's impacting human capital.

01:23:45.100 But calling out a rigged market is a call for a free market.

01:23:47.880 It's imperative.

01:23:49.120 That's right.

01:23:49.400 And working for these companies, we actually used to use that argument. You rig the market

01:23:53.320 and then yell nanny state whenever anyone questions the rigged market. And the fact that there's more

01:23:57.720 agriculture subsidies that go to tobacco than fruits and vegetables, 0.4% of agriculture subsidies go to

01:24:02.460 fruits and vegetables. 2% goes to tobacco. 90% goes to ultra processed food. And it's highly slanted

01:24:08.260 against small farmers. You know, this gets dark. I mean, talking about the Nazis, you know, 15% of-

01:24:14.240 Well, I mean, it's just, I do think it's not accidental that that was a regime based on

01:24:19.840 occult practices that hated Christianity and whose signature act, which no one ever seems to

01:24:25.740 remember, it was murdering hundreds of thousands of Germans in hospitals through euthanasia,

01:24:32.980 so-called mercy killing of kids and adults who were so standard.

01:24:36.980 And so, yeah, does it surprise you that atomic weapons and poison pesticides both came from

01:24:44.680 that regime? No, not really.

01:24:46.660 Well, also, you know-

01:24:47.880 Sorry, that's just all true. So they always tell you it's the most important election of

01:24:52.120 your lifetime. But of course, this one actually is. That's demonstrable. And it's also because

01:24:56.760 it is so important being censored at every level by the tech companies. So we were thinking about

01:25:01.440 this a couple of months ago, and we thought, why not get on the road live in front of actual

01:25:05.640 people, live audiences, coast-to-coast, a nationwide tour where we can't be censored?

01:25:11.260 That'd be good. It would also be fun. So we're doing it. We're going to be on stage with some

01:25:14.860 of our friends, some of the most fascinating people we know, the most recognizable people

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01:26:09.860 Today, 15% of high schoolers are on Adderall. Adderall was created by Nazi Germany. So there's

01:26:18.300 a great book called Blitz about this, but Merck developed the precursor to Adderall in order

01:26:24.520 to give to German soldiers. So they got one pill a day. And actually it was discontinued

01:26:29.760 by the end of the war because there was such psychosis among the German soldiers taking this

01:26:34.540 every day. It was to make them more aggressive. They actually reformulated it, Merck, and made

01:26:39.800 a stronger version. And that is Adderall, which is now given to 15% of children. And this idea

01:26:47.800 that many parents watching, just as Ozempic's being pushed on their kids, just as SSRI's

01:26:52.160 being pushed on their kids, just as SANS are being pushed on their kids, parents being cruddled

01:26:55.820 with medical studies saying they're putting their kid at risk for not following this medical

01:26:59.320 guidance. They're also, if their kid is a little bit distracted, sitting in a sedentary environment

01:27:04.340 with limited sunlight, being force-fed ultra-processed food, they're getting a little fidgety, and they're

01:27:09.600 prescribed Adderall right away. That's the standard of care, not even thinking about... Think

01:27:13.880 about any animal you put in a cage, low sunlight, sedentary, force-feeding,

01:27:17.700 ultra-processed food. So just as a societal level here, we're really committing mass child

01:27:26.420 abuse in many ways, and we're normalizing that, and we're not speaking out about that. And then

01:27:31.960 we're giving people stimulants developed by Nazi Germany. I mean, it's kind of crazy. That's much

01:27:36.760 more profitable. I mean, from a pure economic standpoint, getting a kid off of this treadmill

01:27:42.560 costs millions of dollars. A diabetic person on Medicaid, if they're diabetic by the time they're

01:27:49.280 30, they're getting millions of dollars. They're generating millions of dollars paid for by the

01:27:54.040 government to pharmaceutical and healthcare companies, millions of dollars. If you train

01:27:58.040 a lower-income person and talk to them about metabolic health, frankly, reading the principles

01:28:02.780 Casey talks about in the book, and they're going on a path of thriving, of understanding with their

01:28:08.740 family, what they're putting into their bodies of movement, they're costing the system millions of

01:28:13.300 dollars. That's how the kind of economic reality of how the system works on it. That's kind of the

01:28:17.540 battle. Getting to your point about how people let this happen on doctors, I think the brilliance of

01:28:22.960 the systemic design is the most revered people in our society are basically able to keep up this

01:28:27.880 system. They're able to have their fancy studies that really just take responsibility for managing

01:28:32.560 the disease instead of curing. They censor. I had a call when I attacked the dean of Tufts

01:28:38.780 Nutrition School, the most prominent nutrition researcher in the country, Dariush Mozaffarian.

01:28:45.320 He called me and actually threatened to call Stanford, where we both went. And he said,

01:28:51.480 we know the same people at Stanford. This is not right to be upsetting the apple cart.

01:28:56.120 And I said, well, does your school not take the majority of its funding from food companies to

01:29:01.020 impact nutrition policies in the United States? He said, of course we do, but that doesn't impact

01:29:04.920 my judgment. And the fact that you're calling that out, and the fact that you're questioning

01:29:07.960 the study that we conducted with the NIH that said Lucky Charms are healthier than beef.

01:29:13.040 The fact that you're calling this out really isn't polite. This isn't how it works, Callie.

01:29:16.820 And we know the same people at Stanford, and this isn't polite. I'm going to call Stanford

01:29:22.880 and basically threatening me to be kicked out of the club. That's how this works.

01:29:29.100 And then these studies are used to create, you know, influence the USDA guidelines. 95%

01:29:33.100 of people on the USDA Nutrition Guidelines for America 2020 and 2025 had a conflict of interest

01:29:37.700 with food companies. These studies are used to influence what the USDA is basically saying

01:29:42.800 can go in school lunches. The USDA controls the U.S. school lunch program, which serves 3 billion

01:29:47.160 meals per year to students. It's the largest fast food chain in America is the USDA school

01:29:52.100 lunch program. And, you know, just this past year, Kraft Heinz is brokering deals with

01:29:57.260 the USDA to put Lunchables in schools.

01:29:59.960 It's the top growth area for Kraft is Lunchables.

01:30:01.540 What's a Lunchable?

01:30:04.240 It's the process, plastic squares with crackers.

01:30:08.060 With ham, cheese, and crackers.

01:30:09.640 That's going to be the school lunches. And these corporate deals are happening. And it's

01:30:14.160 studies like this that then allow...

01:30:16.700 I'm assuming Lunchables are suboptimal.

01:30:18.640 You look at the ingredients, there's about, you know, 60 ingredients in these packages. There's

01:30:24.520 no fruit, there's no vegetables. It's literally processed flour, processed sugar, processed oil.

01:30:30.900 It's just these staples of the American ultra-processed food system that are just rotting children's

01:30:37.060 brains and bodies.

01:30:38.480 Would you believe, right, today, and I think this is one of the most criminal that we talk

01:30:41.600 about, we can change. Today, the USDA, which sets the standards that impact schools, that impact

01:30:48.380 parents' perceptions, everything, they say that a healthy diet for a two-year-old is up to 10%

01:30:54.320 added sugar. They're recommending added sugar for two-year-olds when we have a metabolic health

01:30:59.300 crisis, a childhood obesity crisis, and where 33% of young adults now have prediabetes, which would

01:31:04.860 have just been absolutely unthinkable. There's an assault on children's cells because of our food.

01:31:08.820 Added sugar is a huge one. And the USDA recommends it. Imagine, and it's so simple. If medical leaders

01:31:15.920 actually had courage, if we had the volume and the urgency of our medical community talking about

01:31:22.380 the COVID vaccine, about the childhood chronic disease crisis, not banning sugar, not banning

01:31:27.720 anything, but just from a medical perspective saying it's probably a good idea to re-look at what

01:31:32.380 we're feeding kids in the midst of a metabolic health crisis and probably sugar should be discouraged.

01:31:36.000 They don't say that right now. The USDA just put a report out saying a diet 93% in ultra-processed

01:31:41.100 food for kids could be healthy. The USDA is doing marketing for ultra-processed food. They're

01:31:45.480 not speaking in a clear voice because 95% of the advisors on the committee are corrupted.

01:31:51.200 40% of the advisors that President Biden has already put for the next committee are paid for

01:31:57.420 by the maker of Ozempic. Why do we have a huge chunk of the USDA Nutrition Guideline Committee

01:32:02.920 paid for by Ozempic? You'll have to unpack that one for me. A foreign drug maker.

01:32:06.160 Yeah. And then you've got Jason and Travis Kelly doing brokering. You might've seen they're now

01:32:10.920 endorsing a new cereal blend with General Mills and every mainstream media outlet is with them

01:32:17.800 basically laughing about how great this is. They're not talking about this metabolic disease

01:32:22.480 epidemic that's destroying our children. They just turn a blind eye to any of the problematic

01:32:27.200 nature of this because, of course, their funding, ad funding comes from pharma and food.

01:32:31.380 Can I ask, so you all are focused on children, which is indisputably the right thing. But for

01:32:38.000 people my age, maybe even your age, watching someone you love die from dementia, from Alzheimer's,

01:32:46.080 universally regarded as the worst thing, just the worst thing. And it seems to me the incidence of

01:32:52.220 dementia is rising. Am I imagining that? If it's true, why is it happening? What can be done?

01:32:58.460 It's going up rapidly. It's happening in younger people. We're seeing Alzheimer's in people as young

01:33:02.340 as 50. There are no drugs that actually reverse the disease. There are no good drugs for Alzheimer's.

01:33:09.080 And we know-

01:33:09.620 Still?

01:33:10.340 Still. There are no drugs that- There are drugs that slightly slow the progression,

01:33:13.940 but do nothing to reverse the disease. And research from top journals in the world,

01:33:18.160 like The Lancet, have explicitly stated that it is modifiable lifestyle factors that drive the

01:33:23.160 development of this disease. Things like healthy eating, smoking, and moving, and exercise.

01:33:29.320 These are the best possible way we could prevent Alzheimer's in this country is by people getting

01:33:34.680 up and moving more, eating unprocessed organic food, not smoking. And unfortunately, you never hear

01:33:41.680 that, right? This is a largely preventable disease that is skyrocketing right now.

01:33:45.560 Alzheimer's is largely preventable.

01:33:46.440 Largely preventable. Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's with simple, free lifestyle habits. Right now,

01:33:53.940 Alzheimer's, dementia, many researchers are calling it type 3 diabetes. Okay, we have type 2 diabetes,

01:33:58.120 type 1 diabetes, type 3 diabetes, because there is such a link between metabolic dysfunction and

01:34:02.740 the development of the disease. And you think about it, it makes complete obvious sense. The brain

01:34:07.020 is 2% of our body weight, but it uses 20% of our energy because it's like a computer. It's high

01:34:12.380 processing power, right? It's using tons of energy to make all these billions of neurons work,

01:34:17.560 right? So 20% of our body's energy. Metabolic dysfunction is a problem with how our body makes

01:34:22.700 energy because our cells are destroyed by our food and our environment. So you have a problem in the

01:34:27.920 body systemically like diabetes or type or prediabetes that's making, that's an overt representation of

01:34:33.420 our body's not making energy properly. That is going to disproportionately affect the brain. Okay?

01:34:38.100 So an underpowered brain is going to not be able to think properly. And that's what's happening in

01:34:43.420 Alzheimer's. There's a neuroenergetic theory of Alzheimer's that creates the downstream issues that

01:34:49.760 we talk about, like the plaques in the brain and things like that. These are responses to a fundamental

01:34:54.600 issue with how the brain is powering itself. So we need to just all wake up and realize we need to

01:34:58.740 support the cells of the body with the simple evidence-based habits that let us be metabolically

01:35:04.100 healthy so our brain has the energy to do its work. So if dementia or Alzheimer's, I mean, there are

01:35:10.720 many forms of dementia, correct? Yes. Okay. So, but if at least the big one is caused by

01:35:16.460 metabolic dysfunction, is it conceivably reversible or slowable with changes to behavior? There are amazing

01:35:23.880 researchers like Dr. Dale Bredesen, Dr. David Perlmutter, many others who have shown that we

01:35:29.740 can reverse the symptoms of Alzheimer's with a healthier lifestyle. Dr. Dale Bredesen, who wrote

01:35:35.220 The End of Alzheimer's, which everyone should read. It's the most effective reversal protocol ever

01:35:39.840 conducted. What is it? He talks about how there's, you know, there's not one thing here, right? It's a

01:35:45.380 breaking of the cells. And that can happen from a lot of different things in our environment. So he talks

01:35:49.260 about like 36 holes in the roof that basically have to be plugged for the rain to stop pouring

01:35:54.920 into the house, right? So it's not just one thing. It's, we've got to check our vitamin D levels. We've

01:35:58.980 got to check our insulin levels. We've got to get our B12 levels, right? There's all these things that

01:36:02.980 we know affect the cellular biology of our brain. And essentially when you overwhelm the body too much

01:36:07.580 and undernourish it, there's going to be breakdown. And so we have to examine each of these factors that we

01:36:12.180 know is linked to dementia and then fix each one. And the path for you might be different for me,

01:36:17.420 right? Some of those 36 factors might be fine in you, but not fine in me. And we might have

01:36:21.760 different ones. So that's why personalized medicine is so important. Cause we have to

01:36:24.860 understand, you know, it's, it's, it's from all aspects of our environment that our cells are

01:36:29.340 getting hurt. So we have to realize through testing and personalized, you know, medicine,

01:36:33.420 which in our body are causing the problems. But by and large, the simple reality is if we're eating

01:36:39.240 nutrient rich whole foods, moving our bodies, getting enough sleep, staying intellectually

01:36:43.120 stimulated, not smoking and avoiding toxins, our cells are going to do a much better

01:36:47.120 job doing their work. The first chapter of when we get into plans is really guiding Casey guides

01:36:52.340 through a list of how to read blood tests. You know, I got on a path a couple of years ago when

01:36:57.380 I had my regular cholesterol test, they said I was perfectly fine. So to her, she's like,

01:37:01.040 this is blaring metabolic dysfunction. I go back to my doctor and they're like, oh yeah,

01:37:04.160 it's really bad, but you're not treatable yet. You're not ready for a statin. So we just

01:37:06.940 say you're fine. Like a key thing is actually, yeah. Yeah. So you get to treatable levels.

01:37:12.960 But we're brewing metabolic dysfunction. Everyone, especially people in their 20s,

01:37:18.300 30s, and 40s that are healthy are brewing metabolic dysfunction. They're brewing those

01:37:21.820 things. But my mom was told she was healthy by her primary care provider months before the cancer

01:37:28.220 diagnosis because she was on five medications, which is less than the average American her age,

01:37:32.300 right? These are all rites of passage, right? So I wasn't quite at the statin level. So a key thing,

01:37:38.820 and we arm this with a book just with a free blood test. And then there's new services,

01:37:42.560 this personalized medicine revolution where you can get a hundred blood tests,

01:37:45.300 companies like Function Health, or you can go to a functional medicine doctor who can order these

01:37:49.720 tests at just a couple hundred bucks. And you can get more of a personalized view,

01:37:54.900 and then you can attack those deficiencies with food and with supplementation and get the root cause

01:38:00.860 of things under control. And to our point in the book is that dementia is on the same,

01:38:06.880 it's a branch of the same tree as diabetes, as heart disease, as kidney disease,

01:38:10.580 of even dying of COVID. These are all very similar things. If you can cure the root,

01:38:14.860 if you can understand. So a lot of our advice would just be work through the personalized blood

01:38:19.380 test, understand what's happening to you, and then match those nutrient needs with your food and

01:38:23.720 with your supplementation to cure what your blood test is telling you. And if you get your metabolic

01:38:28.380 biomarkers more under control, you're able to reverse and absolutely prevent most of the conditions

01:38:33.380 that are plaguing the American people that have really only become new phenomenons in the past

01:38:38.120 generation. It's all kind of rooted in the same thing. And that's really what our big mission is.

01:38:44.120 It's like, we need actually a new paradigm of how we view chronic disease. I mean, it's actually just

01:38:48.280 a lie, right? That if you have a high cholesterol, high blood sugar, and depression, you're seeing

01:38:54.520 three different doctors who aren't talking to each other at all. That's just wrong. It's very profitable,

01:38:58.420 but it's wrong. You're on three different lifetime plans. You can really solve it with the root cause.

01:39:03.420 And that's if the medical system was sane, right? With lower costs and unleashed human capital.

01:39:09.460 You know, we're debating on the margins right now on the left and the right about how to change

01:39:13.540 page 300 of Medicare Part D. Unless we're attacking the core incentive that was embedded by Obamacare,

01:39:19.500 which was probably the deadliest law passed in recent history. What Obamacare did is it ingrained

01:39:25.260 the incentive that the medical system makes more money when people get sicker. Through this populist

01:39:29.960 idea of taking on the insurance companies, it said insurance companies can only make a 15% profit

01:39:35.180 margin, medical loss ratio. They need to pay out 85% of their spending. But because now insurance

01:39:41.160 companies can only get 15%, but by law, enshrined in Obamacare, they can raise premiums to get that

01:39:45.940 15%. What's their incentive? Your incentive is for the pie to grow. Your incentive is for cost to go up.

01:39:51.000 So Obamacare actually incentivized insurance companies to have no cost controls. What does

01:39:56.500 no cost controls mean? It means more people getting sick. So we're talking about inflation a lot right

01:40:01.040 now. By far, the top driver of inflation in America right now is healthcare. And that's happening

01:40:06.460 because there's no rain on costs. There's no rain on costs because everyone makes money when we get

01:40:11.660 sicker. That's how it all connects. Even insurance companies. That's how it all connects.

01:40:15.040 25% of their budget has to go to care. They take 15% by law from Obamacare. The more that we spend

01:40:23.040 actually on healthcare, the more expenditures for patients, the more their 15% grows.

01:40:27.540 That's crazy. So, I mean, in a functioning system, of course, insurers would have the greatest

01:40:32.240 possible incentive to keep illness down.

01:40:34.280 Obamacare out of a populist kind of, we're going to cap their profit margins. But they lobbied,

01:40:40.300 again, they can raise prices to get that 15%. So there is zero, and I mean this, every single

01:40:46.780 institution that impacts our health, insurance companies, pharma companies, hospitals, medical

01:40:51.620 schools, they make more money when more Americans are sicker for longer periods of time and they lose

01:40:55.840 money when Americans get help. That's the incentive. And then you go to Medicaid, which I talked about,

01:41:01.460 there's just a huge incentive for more and more poor people to get sick because that's an annuity then

01:41:05.180 to the pharma companies. So until you attack that incentive, and as Casey said, people just don't

01:41:10.100 understand this. Everyone kind of makes sense. And actually, I think these things are very easy

01:41:14.380 to change. But the problem is that it's enshrined that there's profit when people are sick and then

01:41:20.800 they use the Stanford and the Harvard and the AH. It's all this fancy club where people, it's like

01:41:26.200 uncouth to talk. It's so marginalized when you talk about nutrition among elites.

01:41:30.100 Wimphified.

01:41:30.500 It's wimphified. It's like Casey was yelled at by an attending surgeon. You didn't go to nutrition

01:41:35.240 school. Don't talk to your patients about what to eat. We do serious medicine. We commit

01:41:39.820 surgery.

01:41:40.260 And it's not in the guidelines.

01:41:41.260 If they're doing serious medicine, then why are the outcomes getting worse?

01:41:44.880 Because they're not responsible.

01:41:46.200 Why have life expectancy going down?

01:41:48.460 But the life expectancy is the tip of the iceberg.

01:41:52.560 Yeah, no, I'm aware.

01:41:53.640 That's the underlying is just mass suffering, particularly among kids. I mean, this rapid

01:41:59.760 increase in childhood diabetes. If you have diabetes by the time you're 30, you die 15 years younger

01:42:03.980 and you're suffering much more along the way. And now it's getting to almost the majority of

01:42:09.120 young adults are pre-diabetic. So diabetes is not an isolated condition. It's cellular

01:42:14.380 dysfunction, as Casey talks about in the book. It's the root of so many other things.

01:42:18.040 Okay. So let's, at breakfast when you were laying, and this is not our first conversation,

01:42:23.720 you said, I'm going to make this positive. I called my brother last night. I was like,

01:42:29.380 you got to come to breakfast with the means is because it'll radicalize you, which you successfully

01:42:33.180 did in about an hour. So I've got two more questions for you, broad questions. Here's

01:42:39.460 the first. Let's say there's a means administration. You are given absolute power over the society or

01:42:43.820 power within the bounds of our system, right? You can do what a president can do. What are the

01:42:49.980 first steps you take to fix this?

01:42:51.320 Day one state of emergency for childhood chronic disease, fully within the constitution for the

01:42:57.540 president declare a state of emergency for public health. That's what happened during COVID. It was

01:43:01.060 very little, it was no congressional legislation. It was a state of emergency. What's happening in

01:43:05.380 childhood chronic disease is a much orders of magnitude, bigger state of emergency right now,

01:43:09.180 and more imminent emergency in America than COVID. So you declare a state of emergency,

01:43:12.860 you declare a state of emergency for childhood health. We actually started a nonprofit and we

01:43:18.420 have executive orders drafted and there is so much stuff you can do, but it's attacking

01:43:22.940 the incentives. You know, just for starters, Biden's talked about this and President Trump's talked

01:43:27.820 about it. But I think the fact that you need a president there who's willing to take some heat

01:43:32.900 from these ingrained industries, you could sign a bill tomorrow saying pharma companies can't charge

01:43:37.700 Americans more than what they charge people in Europe. We are spending, in some cases,

01:43:42.860 10 times more on drugs. We are subsidizing the largest companies in Europe with our insanity.

01:43:47.880 That's not a free market. Tomorrow you can cut this ridiculous thing.

01:43:52.340 You can thank the Republicans for that, by the way.

01:43:54.520 No, no, it's both sides. Paul Ryan and yeah.

01:43:57.040 No, but the Republicans, I will say as a lifetime Republican voter, but they provided the ideological

01:44:03.240 cover for that because they said, I was there when this happened, in Hillarycare, Obamacare.

01:44:10.040 So between 1993 and 2011, they made this case consistently through their think tanks that it

01:44:17.060 was a choice between socialism and capitalism. And if you were controlling costs, that was socialism.

01:44:22.560 It's socialism for pharma to have Congress over a barrel and not-

01:44:26.880 Oh, I'm very aware. It was the opposite of the truth.

01:44:29.220 I was working for conservative think tanks trying to make that argument. It's totally bankrupt. And

01:44:33.000 actually, President Trump's talked about that. That's an executive order he can sign the first

01:44:36.060 day.

01:44:36.940 Sorry, I'm still mad about that.

01:44:38.400 It's crazy. I cannot emphasize this enough how important it is just for medical leaders to cite

01:44:42.800 the science. An executive order tomorrow could make it that USDA panelists cannot take money from

01:44:49.900 food companies. What an idea. It can sign an executive order tomorrow that NIH grants can't

01:44:56.800 go to conflicted researchers. 80% of them currently go to conflicted researchers. You could sign an

01:45:03.760 executive order tomorrow that the FDA should stop being funded by pharma.

01:45:08.740 75% of their funding comes from pharma.

01:45:11.060 75% of the FDA's funding doesn't come from taxpayer. It comes from pharma. And there's a revolving

01:45:16.220 door, as we all know, where people go from the FDA to pharma. Institutions in the D.C., as we both

01:45:21.380 know, are built to grow. The FDA grows when the pharma's influence grows. The FDA should be an

01:45:26.700 independent organization. It's not. That's an executive order tomorrow. So you just rob the

01:45:33.760 conflicts of interest out of these things. Personnel. Assign doctors that we both know onto the USD

01:45:40.100 nutrition panel and have the president, have the secretary of the treasury, because we're going

01:45:45.340 bankrupt from healthcare costs, have the secretary of defense, because 77% of young adults aren't

01:45:50.200 eligible to join the military, have them say, we are not banning any company. We're not even giving

01:45:55.140 public policy recommendations. But we are saying from a medical perspective that we should reduce

01:46:01.440 ultra-processed food consumption among children. That is a medically valid statement. And medical leaders

01:46:08.400 need to start telling the truth. And in public policy, I'm fine with the public policy chips

01:46:12.920 may fall where they may. But the president, the secretary of defense, the head of the NIH,

01:46:17.360 the head of the FDA should be saying the medical truth. The most important dynamic in America,

01:46:23.720 I believe, is when a child or a parent is sitting across their doctor at the first stage of metabolic

01:46:29.720 dysfunction. They're shoved into a one-size-fits-all process right now where they immediately get on a

01:46:36.100 pharmaceutical treadmill. The medical guidance comes from the NIH, the FDA, and their associated

01:46:42.740 groups like the American Diabetes Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics. That guidance

01:46:47.400 itself is corrupt and says that Ozempic is the cure for obesity and statins and heart disease.

01:46:53.420 If a doctor was recommending the right things, we'd be a healthier country. So you just have to go after

01:46:58.580 the medical guidelines. That would transform the country. The last one I'd say, just going after

01:47:03.720 incentives, I think it's a huge deal that our information sources have been totally co-opted.

01:47:08.940 I can speak to that directly.

01:47:10.360 50% of TV news spending coming from pharma is a huge deal. And why the hell is our media

01:47:17.800 playing referee for defending pharmaceutical companies? Why are they suppressing any questions

01:47:26.840 around that? That's a huge problem that our dominant information sources for the past generation have

01:47:32.780 been able to be co-opted by an industry that, just as a statement of economic fact, profits from

01:47:37.300 Americans getting sick. Just undeniable. Tomorrow, tomorrow, the president could sign. That was actually

01:47:44.880 DTC farm advertising was an executive order from Reagan. It could be an executive order tomorrow.

01:47:51.220 It's actually beautiful. You would cut 50% of mainstream media revenue and be on the moral high

01:47:57.920 ground. That's absolutely something. So stop recommending the bad stuff and stop subsidizing.

01:48:07.120 There's also a host of things you can do. Before we get into any taxes, any bans, which I'm not even

01:48:11.120 interested in talking about, Coke should exist, but it shouldn't be subsidized by food stamps.

01:48:15.840 It shouldn't be recommended by the USDA as something okay for kids. It shouldn't be funded billions of

01:48:22.100 dollars by the federal government, right? These things just shouldn't be incentivized. So we have a whole

01:48:29.380 host of executive orders to cut the recommendations, to cut the conflicts, and then cut the incentives for

01:48:34.720 these things.

01:48:34.900 When do we get to put the corrupt doctors in jail?

01:48:38.780 Sorry, sorry.

01:48:39.540 So you go to the motivations a lot. I think, again, the systemic genius of the whole system is

01:48:48.080 that it gives people plausible deniability. I would say, though, to add on to what Casey was

01:48:52.980 saying earlier, that there's knowledge and we do need to start holding people accountable.

01:48:57.940 Well, kind of. And your sister's like the perfect example. It's like I just so strongly identify with

01:49:02.760 the world you grew up in because I know it so well. And you were the highest achiever in your

01:49:08.340 neighborhood. And you find that the system you're living in is incompatible with your values. It's

01:49:14.740 morally unacceptable to you. And you opt out, but you're the only one who opts out. So that raises

01:49:19.100 questions about everyone who didn't opt out. I'm sorry, it does.

01:49:22.620 I've got a dark stat for you. We talk about this in the book. The highest suicide rate of any

01:49:29.320 profession, any profession in America is doctors.

01:49:32.820 Really?

01:49:33.120 And the highest burnout rate. So what I see with that is that you don't... Working hard doesn't

01:49:39.520 make you super depressed and suicidal. Like missionaries aren't committing suicide. Yeah.

01:49:43.700 Yeah. You know, I'm working hard on this mission. I feel really good about it.

01:49:47.840 They actually had a New York Times article recently that identified what doctors are feeling

01:49:52.760 towards soldiers. It's the same psychological dynamic that soldiers who get in the fight for

01:49:57.980 the right reasons, but then are forced by their superiors to commit war crimes.

01:50:00.920 It's actually a similar... They actually... The New York Times compared doctors to like Abu

01:50:06.040 Garib-like soldiers who were forced to do horrible things or felt like they were forced.

01:50:10.440 That's, I think, what's happening to the medical profession is these are all good people. There's

01:50:13.900 much easier ways to make money. We actually are this magnet that attracts the best and the brightest

01:50:17.620 from all of the world.

01:50:18.720 We saddle them with debt. They have no other skills, and then they have societal expectations

01:50:23.420 from their parents and all these credentials, but they do feel trapped. So I hope... It's

01:50:28.700 certainly inspiring to me. It changed my whole life learning from Casey's story. I hope more

01:50:32.660 and more people realize that there's light moving away from this system. And I always

01:50:37.660 go back to Elon. Remember when he said, you know, you're speaking out about all these issues

01:50:41.020 you care about, but advertisers are flocking away from you. And he goes, I don't give a fuck.

01:50:46.300 That's the attitude we need in the healthcare industry.

01:50:49.540 We need some people with that type of attitude because it's the same thing. It's like, well,

01:50:54.960 these children are dying, but what are you going to... It's like, well, they're playing

01:50:59.320 along with it. I'm talking to senior people at pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies.

01:51:05.220 Everyone knows what's going on. It's like, oh, it's hard. We don't know what to do. We need

01:51:10.140 some leadership. We need some leadership. But again, with simple executive orders, you can

01:51:17.180 start changing these incentives. You can start changing them.

01:51:22.460 No, you're right. And I think I'm too judgmental. I mean, I participated in an enormously corrupt

01:51:26.780 system for my entire life until I was fired. It wasn't half as honorable as you. Would you add

01:51:34.060 anything to that?

01:51:34.700 Yeah. I mean, I think what Callie's talking about with the incentives is absolutely key.

01:51:38.460 You know, why is 75% of the FDA budget coming from far out? But I think there's a couple other

01:51:42.020 things we could also sort of do to really change things. I mean, one is that we need to

01:51:47.160 stop recommending added sugar to two-year-olds, 10% of our diet. So that's easy, right? Like

01:51:52.360 the science supports that. And actually, when we were creating the 2020 to 2025 Food Guidelines

01:51:56.340 for America, the medical advisory board to that panel said that we should absolutely reduce

01:52:01.680 sugar recommendations from 10% to 6% of total calories. And it was rejected by the USDA,

01:52:06.300 even though the doctors said to do it. So all these conflicts, we need to get the sugar out

01:52:10.800 of that because then we'll have better school lunches and we will not be telling parents that

01:52:16.020 it's okay to give your kid 10% of their calories at two years old from added sugar.

01:52:19.500 Also, I think there's something really interesting we can do by actually using the existing tax and

01:52:22.960 legal system to incentivize healthy purchases. Because right now, the healthier things are

01:52:27.480 more expensive. And that's a problem. And that's because of our farm bills. So we need to change

01:52:30.580 the farm bills. But we also need to give people more flexibility, use tax-free dollars to buy

01:52:34.660 healthy products like organic food. And Callie has started an incredible company called TrueMed,

01:52:39.120 which is helping to allow this to happen. Why is it that we can use our HSA, FSA funding to buy

01:52:44.980 drugs, but we can't use it to buy organic food? This is crazy. This should be what we spend our

01:52:49.900 tax-advantaged dollars on. So things like that, creating more patient choice with HSAs. And I

01:52:54.640 think we also need to talk about things like food marketing to children. We're one of the only

01:52:59.840 developed countries that's allowing our TVs, Nickelodeon, for 28% of the ads to children to be

01:53:04.520 ultra-processed foods that we know are associated with chronic disease. And so there's other things,

01:53:10.560 I think, that would be very high yield that are just very basic.

01:53:15.600 Let me just give you one example that I think will be really relevant to people listening.

01:53:19.440 Infertility is a huge issue. As Casey mentioned, PCOS, which is the leading cause of female

01:53:23.260 infertility, 25%.

01:53:25.060 Can you explain what that is?

01:53:26.200 Yes. So very good question. So PCOS is the leading cause of female infertility. Anyone listening

01:53:32.240 of childbearing age will know about this. It's an epidemic right now. It's gone up. It's multiples

01:53:37.320 in the past generation.

01:53:39.600 What does it stand for?

01:53:40.840 Polycystic ovarian syndrome.

01:53:42.840 So I...

01:53:43.800 So very good.

01:53:44.440 Well, let's get into it. So that question you just asked, I know OBGYNs from Harvard who could

01:53:53.420 not answer that question. This is not an exaggeration. OBGYNs are not taught what the condition

01:54:00.460 is. They're only taught what the intervention is.

01:54:04.640 Okay. So let's always start. I know nothing about medicine or science, but I do know about

01:54:08.460 interviews. Always start with the dumb questions first.

01:54:10.800 Good.

01:54:11.540 Yeah.

01:54:12.100 If you can't answer the dumb questions, I don't believe you.

01:54:14.640 So when a woman and many women listening will have PCOS and across their OBGYN, they're put on a

01:54:22.860 cascading set of interventions that are pharmaceutical.

01:54:26.000 Can you tell me what it is?

01:54:26.920 Yeah. It's insulin resistance. It is not related to insulin resistance, which is on the spectrum

01:54:31.760 diabetes. It is insulin resistance. PCOS is a metabolic condition. Casey can speak a little bit

01:54:37.280 more to it, but it's fundamentally related to the scene.

01:54:39.580 What is it? Can you just describe its symptoms and its effects?

01:54:41.640 Absolutely. So PCOS, essentially you have an ovary that ovaries making hormones. And when that ovary

01:54:46.600 is stimulated by excess insulin, which is the hormone in the blood that helps us take blood

01:54:51.200 sugar out of the blood and into the cells, insulin levels go up in the setting of metabolic

01:54:55.400 dysfunction. We basically destroy our cells with our toxic food and lifestyle. The cells can no longer

01:55:01.880 process sugar to energy. So the cell rejects sugar and it stays in the bloodstream. The body

01:55:07.360 compensates by making more insulin to try and drive the sugar into the cell that's putting up a block

01:55:13.080 because it's broken, essentially. That high insulin floats all around the body and does bad things all

01:55:19.500 over the body like drives cancer growth and also stimulates the ovary to make more testosterone.

01:55:25.320 So you have women who are supposed to be making estrogen and progesterone in very specific levels

01:55:30.320 throughout the hormone cycle so that we can ovulate. And instead, insulin is driving the

01:55:34.820 ovary to create testosterone, which totally disturbs the balance between all the sex hormones in the

01:55:40.820 female body and we don't ovulate. So you get these cysts that form because you've got an egg trying to

01:55:45.640 basically like ovulate, but instead it can't because the hormones are disrupted because of insulin,

01:55:50.500 which is because of metabolic dysfunction, because of our food. And we get infertility because we're not

01:55:56.300 ovulating. So lucky charms leads over time. Absolutely. And this condition is reversible

01:56:03.920 in as little as 12 weeks with dietary interventions. There is peer-reviewed studies to show this. If we

01:56:10.820 get our blood sugar levels under control and our insulin levels under control, we restore the hormonal

01:56:15.620 balance. And many women, all the symptoms will disappear and they'll be able to become fertile.

01:56:20.000 And yet doctors do not learn. The average doctor is getting zero education in nutrition.

01:56:26.300 And so they don't even see this. They reach to the clomiphene, the metformin. The treatment that

01:56:30.220 the OBGYNs are giving to these women is a diabetes drug. And they're not talking about blood sugar.

01:56:35.680 You know, I started a company called Levels, which consumerizes access to a device called a

01:56:40.740 continuous glucose monitor. There are so many women in our community who have PCOS, who's doctors,

01:56:45.600 who want to understand their blood sugar so that they can naturally heal their PCOS.

01:56:49.640 Yes, and have babies.

01:56:50.660 And these are not devices that they will only give it to late-stage type 2 diabetics,

01:56:55.660 even though we know that PCOS is insulin resistance. And that if we can monitor our

01:56:59.420 blood sugar with this device and get our blood sugar under better control, it can absolutely

01:57:03.440 set us up to sort of naturally heal. But it's not being talked about by the OBGYNs because

01:57:07.720 doctors are not trained to see this.

01:57:09.900 This is everything, right? This connects everything.

01:57:12.800 Whoa!

01:57:13.400 This is the future of our CCs, right? This is fertility.

01:57:15.520 This topic, any woman dealing with infertility, this connects everything because the doctor

01:57:19.520 doesn't know what case you just described. We've talked to them. They don't know. They did not

01:57:23.780 learn the physiology of why people actually get this condition. And they eat what they kill.

01:57:29.820 So what do they want more than anything? They want an IVF procedure. They want an invasive

01:57:35.580 surgical procedure.

01:57:37.060 IVF?

01:57:37.780 Of course.

01:57:38.540 I mean, assistive reproductive technology is skyrocketing clinics all over the world.

01:57:41.980 From an economic perspective, it's a goal. If that woman goes on a keto diet, which is the best

01:57:47.880 reversal technique for a PCOS ever studied, 12 weeks, they are robbing that doctor, just from

01:57:56.440 an economic perspective, of tens of thousands of dollars for a gruesome invasive IVF procedure,

01:58:01.540 which is a great procedure. But I think we all should agree. That woman across the table would

01:58:06.280 love to hear that there's a more natural way and just the correct way to reverse this condition,

01:58:13.100 which by the way...

01:58:14.360 There are big time downsides to IVF.

01:58:16.400 Of course.

01:58:16.740 And not to mention, if the woman doesn't heal the underlying metabolic issues,

01:58:20.640 it's going to portend issues for the baby too.

01:58:23.740 And the mom.

01:58:24.260 Even if you get pregnant with IVF, which is wonderful if that can happen,

01:58:28.740 if you're not healing the root cause issues of the metabolic dysfunction, that's affecting the fetus

01:58:33.000 and affecting the mom's future risk of disease. So by ignoring this, we're just continuing to put

01:58:37.960 people on this treadmill. This is what happened to my mom. And I just want to be super clear.

01:58:42.080 The picture of doctors here is very negative. But again, I just want to emphasize, doctors

01:58:47.000 are not doing this nefariously. There is just a systemic misunderstanding. And there are many

01:58:53.000 doctors who are waking up and teaching themselves these types of things, but it is very still,

01:58:57.340 very fringe and small.

01:58:58.680 Well, their vacation houses are paid for by committing more intervention.

01:59:03.000 It's easy for me to judge them because I don't know them. But I just want to refer you back to

01:59:08.060 your own life and the decisions you made. And I think that's going to be very hard for a lot of

01:59:12.620 people. And you had advantages, as you've said. On the other hand, you're the only person I've ever

01:59:18.160 met who's done that. And that's pretty discouraging. That's a pretty discouraging...

01:59:22.860 There is a tribe. I will say it's happening. There is a tribe. It's coming from the bottom up.

01:59:27.360 This is functional medicine. You spoke with Mark Hyman, for instance. There are people,

01:59:31.300 there is a movement. It's happening. And you look at what's happening in independent media.

01:59:35.420 You're talking about this. Joe Rogan's talking about this. People care. People are listening

01:59:40.200 and people are waking up.

01:59:41.440 Well, it's not a boutique issue.

01:59:42.980 No. Americans want to be healthy. That's the thing. Doctors are trained to think patients are

01:59:48.020 non-compliant and lazy. That is not true.

01:59:50.240 People are flocking to this information.

01:59:50.860 Americans want to be healthy, but the entire system is ready to go.

01:59:54.740 Okay. So that leads me to my last topic that I hope we can get. And I hope you will be as

02:00:00.660 personal and specific as you can be. What do you eat? No, I'm sorry. And don't be embarrassed.

02:00:06.700 Like, because I think if anyone has made it to this point in the conversation, it's like,

02:00:09.760 this is a bigger deal than I realized it was. The consequences to me personally are

02:00:15.580 the worst possible. Pancreatic cancer, Alzheimer's, there's nothing worse.

02:00:19.420 Yeah.

02:00:20.300 So, and, but you're absolutely right. Both of you made the point. Poor people are at a

02:00:25.100 disadvantage. That's one liberal talking point. That's true. They are. This stuff's expensive.

02:00:28.640 The only people I know who know anything about this are rich people, privileged people.

02:00:31.340 It's weaponized against them.

02:00:32.780 I can tell that that's true. So, but even if you can afford, you know, to buy expensive food,

02:00:39.980 like, how do you do that? What do you, what do you do?

02:00:42.240 Yeah.

02:00:42.620 What do you eat? What don't you eat?

02:00:43.640 The number one thing that people need to understand is we need to stop eating ultra

02:00:47.420 processed food. We need to stop eating this.

02:00:49.380 So what is ultra processed? Can you just give like examples?

02:00:51.340 Absolutely. So ultra processed food is basically all the things that are,

02:00:54.180 you're seeing at the grocery store that have this laundry list of ingredients that usually

02:00:57.280 are based on three ingredients. Ultra processed flour, ultra processed added sugars,

02:01:01.880 and ultra processed seed oil. So this is going to be like white flour, you know, cane sugar,

02:01:06.700 and things like cotton seed oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil, soybean oil. So these,

02:01:11.520 these crappy foods that did not exist 150 years ago, ultra fine white flour, added sugars and,

02:01:15.940 and, and seed oils.

02:01:17.460 That's like all brand name foods.

02:01:18.400 It's like everything. I mean, we have a list in the book of what you should not eat. And it's

02:01:21.960 basically everything at the grocery store. I mean, we should all be shopping at the,

02:01:24.860 there are 9,000 farmers markets in the United States right now. People can make the effort and

02:01:28.800 reprioritize their values to focus on getting nutritious food. We need to be eating organic,

02:01:34.140 unprocessed foods for the vast majority of our calories. And we need to get back to having

02:01:39.320 a sense of pride and responsibility in our households to cook food. You know, one of the,

02:01:47.420 one of the unintentional downsides of the feminist movement is that we somehow

02:01:50.640 made people feel that food preparation was like a less than activity. I bought into this for my entire

02:01:55.920 early professional life that like, that it was somehow beneath me. I was like a slave in the kitchen.

02:02:00.700 If I was cooking for husband or family, there is no more important thing we can be doing than

02:02:04.760 feeding our children and our families healthy food. Less than 30% of American families are

02:02:08.860 eating together more than once per week. We need to be sitting down at the dinner table,

02:02:11.820 eating real unprocessed food cooked with love at home. There is, there is no way to drug ourselves

02:02:16.920 out of the fact that, you know, we eat 70, we eat 40 to 70 metric tons of food in our lifetime.

02:02:22.660 It's a lot of food, right? This is the molecular information that is building our bodies,

02:02:27.380 building our brains, making our hormones, feeding our microbiome.

02:02:30.060 The food is what we are built of. And right now, 70% of it is trash made from a factory to addict

02:02:36.900 us. Of course we're sick. So that is number one. So to answer your question very specifically,

02:02:42.860 I don't follow dietary dogma. I eat organic, unprocessed foods that I buy at the farmer's

02:02:47.540 market and I cook every single meal for my partner and I. And when I have children in the

02:02:51.260 next few years, I am so deeply excited to cook every meal for them from scratch because there's

02:02:56.280 nothing more important. And so, you know, for people who can't necessarily get to a farmer's

02:03:01.220 market, it's go to college.

02:03:02.200 Man, you are radical. I love it.

02:03:04.260 How is this radical?

02:03:05.120 It's not.

02:03:05.540 Isn't it wild that this is radical?

02:03:07.520 It's so, it's such a total rejection at every level of the values of our society,

02:03:12.780 which I just love.

02:03:13.220 And I had to wake up. I was so deep in this in my 20s. I cannot even tell you. Like I was

02:03:18.140 deep, deep in the opposite of this. And so, you know, I believe that people,

02:03:22.180 no one wants to be sick, you know, but the answer is on our fork. So I would say to get

02:03:28.140 very specific now, organic fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, beans, legumes, meat, poultry,

02:03:36.060 eggs, game meats, grass-fed, organic, pasture-raised.

02:03:39.960 What about cheese?

02:03:40.560 Cheese, dairy, but grass-fed, high-quality, organic. The molecular information in these factory

02:03:48.180 cow, you know, these factory farmed cows that are jammed with antibiotics and hormones,

02:03:53.200 that milk is not what you want to be drinking.

02:03:55.580 The problem isn't the milk, it's the quality.

02:03:57.240 It's the quality of the milk. You know, organic food has more nutrients than non-organic food.

02:04:02.100 We need to be, so-

02:04:02.680 Is it hard to find, like, I love cheese, for example. Love cheese.

02:04:06.840 So if I just-

02:04:07.280 It's at Costco now.

02:04:08.440 Grass-fed.

02:04:08.820 Grass-fed cheese.

02:04:09.900 Okay.

02:04:10.260 You know, I mean, how wild is it that it's illegal to buy raw milk in this country?

02:04:14.440 Or if it's imported from Europe, honestly.

02:04:15.640 Imported from Europe, yeah. Because they're going to have much better-

02:04:17.820 They have Parmesan at Costco that's imported from Europe. It's fine. The lactose and all

02:04:22.620 these allergies that have all just started in the past 30 years are because of the toxicity

02:04:27.420 of the food, not the food itself. All these foods, anything that we ate, you know, 10,000

02:04:31.760 years ago that were evolutionary made to eat is generally fine. It's what's been done to

02:04:36.820 the food. So, you know, pasture-raised, pasture-raised, which has just been beef for all of history

02:04:43.680 up until, like, industrial-

02:04:44.580 Raising cows.

02:04:44.960 Yeah. It's like, that just means they're outside-

02:04:47.260 Not getting poisoned.

02:04:47.820 Raised as they know. They're eating grass. Now, most industrial farm meat, right, they're

02:04:53.020 inside, they're, you know, have cortisol because they're so stressed, and they're eating GMO,

02:04:58.340 corn and soy.

02:05:00.380 That impacts their biology. So, actually, the factory farm meat has a much higher omega-6

02:05:07.840 content, whereas ones eating grass outside are omega-3, much more omega-3 fatty acids.

02:05:13.700 Omega-6 is inflammatory, omega-3 is not. So, actually, and again, we go through this in

02:05:19.080 the book, but just being on a path of curiosity about this, eating food how it's meant to be

02:05:23.180 made and meant to be raised, you know, the actual biology and makeup of the food itself

02:05:29.820 is different when it's factory farms. You're actually, when you're eating a traditionally

02:05:32.820 industrial-raised meat, you're much more inflammatory. Items are going into your body.

02:05:40.160 So, you just always need to strive. That's why we do think, and there's problems with

02:05:44.040 the organic designations, but as much as you can get away from the pesticides being spread

02:05:48.840 on this food, as much as you can get to how the food has been raised, you know, for all

02:05:52.920 of history up until a couple, you know, generations ago, because the way the food is manufactured and

02:05:57.460 the stuff that is put on food is very corrupt. It's just not the case in other countries. So,

02:06:02.160 as much as you can get to how it's been made forever, the better. And that's why we say and

02:06:08.500 how if we were in charge of everything, I would fire every, and I truly mean this, I'm not joking,

02:06:13.760 I'd fire every single nutrition scientist in the government. I'd stop every single, you know,

02:06:18.300 all this complicated nutrition guidelines. The point of the USDA putting out thousands of studies,

02:06:23.980 literally, and all this guidance is to confuse people because they're bought off by the food

02:06:27.260 companies. I'd replace it with one guideline, is that we need to, as a public policy matter,

02:06:32.740 reduce all the processed food consumption among children.

02:06:35.340 Where are you on sugar?

02:06:37.080 Well, yeah.

02:06:38.340 I mean, sugar is, the amount of added sugar that we're eating in this country is astronomical.

02:06:42.800 The average American is eating over 100 pounds of added sugar per year. In the 1800s,

02:06:46.480 it was less than five pounds. So, we're eating, we are overwhelming our bodies with this material

02:06:51.620 that is destroying our cellular health. Like, all of that, the body has to do something with

02:06:57.100 all that sugar, right? And so, the body is prime, knows how to turn sugar into energy. That's what

02:07:03.000 the mitochondria does. That's what metabolic health is, okay? But if you're putting on, you know,

02:07:07.080 10, 20, 30 times the amount of sugar, the substrate for energy that the body has been used to doing or

02:07:14.380 can handle, you're going to gum up the system. You're going to destroy the system. It's too much work

02:07:18.160 for the body. So, what happens? We get dysfunction. We get metabolic dysfunction. We get prediabetes

02:07:22.320 and diabetes. And where does all that sugar go? Sugar gets converted to fat, okay? And so, that's

02:07:26.940 why we're all getting so heavy in part because of all this excess sugar we're eating that has to

02:07:32.260 go somewhere. It's literally converted to fat in the body. And so, it's astronomical and 50% of

02:07:38.720 Americans now have a blood sugar disorder. This is back to ultra-processed food, okay? So, liquid sugar

02:07:44.360 in the form of a Coke, right? You chug one Coke. That's like the sugar of, you know, 15 oranges,

02:07:50.000 right? And the oranges have the fiber. So, you couldn't even physically eat all of the whole food,

02:07:56.180 unprocessed food, to get the sugar that's weaponized in those sugary drinks and all the

02:08:00.860 things we're getting at Starbucks and all the things kids are drinking. Even juice, which Michelle

02:08:04.280 Obama is now supporting as sugar water, literally. She is now promoting sugar water for kids.

02:08:10.880 Because it's a better than soda option.

02:08:12.480 But it's still high in sugar. So, so...

02:08:15.340 Why is she doing that?

02:08:16.380 Because she wants to make money.

02:08:18.320 Oh, so she's like a flack for some sugar company.

02:08:20.780 Oh, no, no. She partnered with a private equity company that specializes in junk food

02:08:24.500 influencer partnerships.

02:08:25.640 Actually?

02:08:26.160 Oh, yeah. They're a private equity company that works on the Rocks Energy Drink

02:08:29.560 and specializes in partnerships where high-level influencers partner to promote junk food.

02:08:36.000 And she is the chief spokesperson and co-founder of Plesi, which is a sugar water for kids.

02:08:41.900 It has less sugar than soda.

02:08:43.620 Because it's addictive.

02:08:43.760 So they can advertise that it's better than juice or sugar.

02:08:46.600 It's sugar water.

02:08:47.240 Kids should be drinking water.

02:08:48.280 It's a safer cigarette.

02:08:48.980 And milk.

02:08:49.800 What if Michelle Obama said that? What if Michelle Obama endorsed water bottles?

02:08:53.600 Stop drinking sugar water.

02:08:55.100 Kids shouldn't be drinking sugar.

02:08:56.620 Like, the fact that the USDA and Michelle Obama can't say that. Michelle Obama was right

02:09:02.140 in the first year talking about food, but she was directly bought off. She was directly

02:09:06.340 influenced by the food companies. John Kerry, you know, Teresa Hines. There was a lot of

02:09:13.100 people that got to Michelle. This is well-documented. And she shifted everything to exercise. And

02:09:17.640 the exercise group that she then partnered with was actually funded by ultra-processed food

02:09:21.140 companies. And she shifted all to exercise and totally stopped talking about food.

02:09:25.540 And to exercise is very-

02:09:26.000 Well, anyone who's ever tried to lose weight knows that exercise is super important.

02:09:29.020 It's good for you.

02:09:30.340 But you're not going to lose the time.

02:09:31.620 Yeah. The crazy thing that Callie talked about, the soda and how it's weaponized, I really

02:09:37.120 want to drive that point home. High fructose corn syrup, which is what's in a lot of these

02:09:40.860 drinks, was invented in the 1970s. This is a brand new substance. And the invention of

02:09:45.120 high fructose corn syrup, which is subsidized by the government through commodity crop farm

02:09:48.600 bill subsidies to corn. So it's basically, we're giving the soda companies this cheaper

02:09:53.460 product, which is then turned into high fructose corn syrup. Something interesting about fructose

02:09:57.400 that we learned from bears who hibernate is that aside from other calories that you eat

02:10:02.420 them and they cue satiety, with fructose, it's a very interesting molecule that's found in

02:10:06.980 berries. And when you have an animal who needs to go into hibernation, they need to pack on

02:10:11.720 fat in their body, right? So before hibernation, you have to load your body with fat.

02:10:15.960 So fructose, aside from other calories, different than other calories, actually does not cue satiety.

02:10:21.100 It cues the feed forward violence and aggression mechanism in that animal to basically outcompete

02:10:26.460 all other animals to eat as many berries as possible in the fall to store fat, which is

02:10:31.860 fructose, creates metabolic dysfunction, causes us to turn our sugar to fat, to basically store

02:10:37.300 fat for winter. So soda companies know all this. So they put this molecule in the sodas that you're

02:10:43.680 chugging, which is like Callie said, like 15 oranges and the fructose you'd get in this.

02:10:47.900 And it's causing kids to be insatiably hungry because essentially it's telling their brains that

02:10:53.680 winter is coming, pack on the fat. But of course that winter is never coming.

02:10:57.260 And the tobacco scientists know this.

02:10:58.280 Absolutely. Whole foods are great. You know, anything that is a whole food that has not been

02:11:03.160 broken down into its constituent parts and made into a frankenfood in a factory by a multinational

02:11:08.360 corporation is a food that I'm going to eat. And the reason I choose organic or regenerative is

02:11:13.980 because that berry, a berry just in a grocery store that's not organic is going to have less

02:11:19.060 nutrients in it than the berry that you buy from, you know, a farm. These foods contain

02:11:24.400 anti-cancer compounds. They contain tens of thousands of molecules, literally medicine

02:11:29.920 that changes our gene expression. This is nutrigenomics. It all gets lost when you process

02:11:35.200 the food.

02:11:35.560 It's nothing short of gaslighting to, you know, convince us that these tons of food we eat are

02:11:39.960 kind of this like fringe science and these pills are the only thing that's serious science. I mean,

02:11:44.280 these truly are medicine. I just say, Tucker, you know, we get so confused and this is a core

02:11:48.940 point we try to drive home in the book is that there's confusion by design. There's not an

02:11:54.040 epidemic of people, I guarantee you, that are eating a 90% non-ultra-processed food diet that

02:11:59.220 have health epidemics. Like, I don't care if you're a carnivore or vegan because if you're on

02:12:05.620 that path of being curious for you and your family and taking that rebellion to actually cook and eat

02:12:11.140 whole food, you're going to adjust. You're going to look at your blood tests and make certain... It's

02:12:15.320 different for everybody, but just as a public policy matter, as a spiritual matter in the country,

02:12:20.360 we should be trying to engender more awe and curiosity about what we're putting on our bodies.

02:12:26.080 Yes, that's right.

02:12:26.720 And, you know, I want to be clear to everyone watching. This is not about lecturing you or

02:12:30.740 your family to eat, you know, any type of food. I'm making the point that there has really been

02:12:36.420 something done to us. I don't think the American people are just a lazy suicidal population where

02:12:40.800 everyone wants, 94% of the country wants to be... No, but that's such a smart point. The curiosity,

02:12:45.740 I had a weird childhood with food. So, I'm blaming my childhood, of course. I never really

02:12:51.820 care about food and I'll just, you know, whatever's there, I'll eat it. Lowest common denominator type

02:12:57.540 thing. I've always gotten fat every year, have to slow down. You know what I mean? My wife, I've been

02:13:04.620 with 40 years in September, same weight when I met her. She's really interested in food. She's not

02:13:11.200 going to put something in her mouth that's not good for her. She knows what it is. She's always

02:13:14.560 been this way since the mid-80s when I met her and she's way healthier. And I feel my brother's the

02:13:20.240 same way. Like they're interested in food, therefore they're pretty healthy actually. And it's the lack

02:13:26.560 of curiosity. Like I never think about it. Pizza, pizza's good. Like that's what I know.

02:13:30.640 So, and the basic way to start with that curiosity is read labels, right? If there's ingredients on

02:13:36.080 a package. In my reading class. Well, not to you, but like, you know, it's like, it might be

02:13:40.380 interesting for people to just look at labels. And if you cannot understand a word on that package,

02:13:44.180 like what these ingredients are, if you can't visualize it, you probably shouldn't be putting

02:13:47.560 What food do you think makes you feel best since we're talking about food? Like what do you really

02:13:51.960 enjoy eating? When you eat it and you're like, I feel great. This is actually good for me. I can feel

02:13:55.440 that it's good for me. Well, I mean, for me, it's the freshest possible foods, foods that I,

02:14:00.400 you know, that I know the farmer and I got it from the farmer's market and they're beautiful.

02:14:03.400 And I think this is this, this sort of gaslighting. I think there's been this incredible

02:14:06.880 dissociation. It's, it's indoctrinated in us from childhood to not trust our intuition,

02:14:12.240 right? Like to think we have to, we have to give our power away because we're dumb and we're not

02:14:17.500 smart. And it's built into every level of the healthcare system. I mean, in, in many American

02:14:20.940 States, patients don't even own their healthcare records because basically doctors don't believe,

02:14:24.740 don't trust patients in understanding that they can understand.

02:14:27.620 They don't own them. Like the doctor, the hospital does, because we have so built in this idea that

02:14:32.600 patients are not smart enough to understand their own health. So from, from, this even plays into

02:14:37.420 HIPAA and all these laws about patient privacy. It's like, oh, you know, we have to, we have to

02:14:41.560 sequester. Have you ever tried to get your healthcare records? It's impossible, right? Because we have-

02:14:45.380 I don't know my own blood type and I don't know anyone else who knows his own blood type.

02:14:48.400 Why is that?

02:14:49.180 By design, right? Because if you can keep people ignorant-

02:14:51.620 That's so weird. Why wouldn't you know your blood type?

02:14:52.620 Because if you can keep people ignorant about their own health, then there's a power dynamic

02:14:56.800 where you can sort of give them any solution. So let's get back to food because I think a lot

02:15:01.920 of this comes back to trusting our intuition. When I, every Sunday after I go to the farmer's

02:15:05.980 market, I lay out all the food, you know, the, the venison that came from, you know, someone

02:15:10.200 who owns a beautiful ranch outside of LA, the, the beautiful heirloom tomatoes that are colorful

02:15:16.040 with purples, the, the watermelon radishes. And I lay it all out on my counter and I literally

02:15:20.800 pray with it. Like this is, this is awe-inspiring to me. This is all the atoms and the molecules

02:15:26.820 that over the next week or two are going to make up my cells. They are going to become

02:15:31.740 me. I am going to take on the characteristics of this food. And I know, I look at that food

02:15:36.800 and if I stop and let myself trust my intuition, I know this food is healthy for me. I just know

02:15:41.100 it. You, and, and, but we've been so divorced from our common sense by design. There's no fat

02:15:46.620 giraffes, right? There's no, there's no, they know, right? But we've been told that we can't

02:15:51.680 understand. Every sixth grader in America can understand basic biology, metabolic health

02:15:56.660 and nutrition, but we have been told it's too complicated. Like Kelly said, by design,

02:16:01.500 confusion is the product. So to, to answer your question, what makes me feel good? It's

02:16:05.900 the freshest, most beautiful foods that I have completely under awe for because those molecules

02:16:10.220 and atoms are going to go into my body. They're going to heal my, they're going to heal anything

02:16:14.600 that's going wrong. They're going to change my gene expression. They're going to fortify my immune

02:16:18.300 system. They're going to make, they're going to feed my microbiome, which makes 95% of my serotonin,

02:16:22.600 which lets me think and have creative ideas and love my partner and all these things. It's going

02:16:26.280 to be my partner and my bodies and my future children's bodies, right? And so I am in awe and

02:16:32.820 reverence of food. And I think that, and I do, I bless it because it's going to become me. And I think

02:16:39.160 we need to get back to that appreciation.

02:16:40.600 Shouldn't the medical authorities, what, again, take policy side. What if our medical leaders

02:16:45.640 started talking about this? We have a medical crisis.

02:16:48.900 I've never heard anybody talk like that in my life.

02:16:50.400 We have a medical crisis. We have a medical crisis right now. And that is the science.

02:16:56.040 That is following the science, right? And that should be the message from doctors.

02:17:01.260 And, and, and, and, and, you know, Casey, I don't want to gloss over this. There's a,

02:17:04.420 there's a metabolic health crisis among babies that are born. Mothers are passing metabolic

02:17:11.100 dysfunction and essentially almost pre-diabetes onto kids in mass. That's how bad this has gotten.

02:17:16.860 Like kids are being born with dysfunctional microbiomes and metabolic dysfunction. And

02:17:21.060 like, you know, literally I've talked to Harvard doctors about that. I talked on one of the podcasts

02:17:24.680 about this to a Harvard doctor. And she said, that's a case for Ozipic, that, that babies are being born

02:17:29.120 with such horrible metabolic dysfunction that we need to start jabbing them right away. I say,

02:17:32.740 that's a sign of a crisis. And the fact that babies are being born sick is actually, you know,

02:17:39.120 maybe not a, maybe we shouldn't be doing more of the same and just keep drugging them more.

02:17:42.760 We should actually be asking why baby, there's a metabolic health crisis among babies.

02:17:46.620 Yeah. There's a crisis in the way that we think.

02:17:48.960 Yeah. I think.

02:17:50.260 It's a root of a lot of, I think what's tapping, you know, the, the, the biggest societal,

02:17:53.540 I think dynamic, historical dynamic of the past, you know, decade has been this populist

02:17:57.940 uprising towards institutions. I don't think people can quite put their finger on it all the time,

02:18:01.880 but there's this frustration that we're being, really being let down to me, what's happening

02:18:05.660 to our health and the gasoline that's happening to our health. And the fact that we're not hearing

02:18:09.120 things like this and hearing that drugs are our saviors and just keep doing more of the same

02:18:13.080 from industries that are profiting from that sickness. To me, it is actually is the number

02:18:17.600 one example of what's fueling this populist frustration. Healthcare is the largest industry

02:18:21.200 and it's something that's impact. These incentives, I think I would argue are impacting Americans

02:18:25.140 across the kitchen table and impact their lives more than any other industry.

02:18:28.440 Can I just ask one last question? So one of the things I noticed about both of you

02:18:32.020 is your mental acuity. Obviously you're smart, but it's more than just smart. You're sharp

02:18:36.640 and fast and you have very quick recall. You're just crisp. And I noticed the way people talk,

02:18:42.220 obviously, because I talk for a living. Thank you.

02:18:44.320 How big enough, so food, bad food dulls you? I've always noticed that.

02:18:48.760 Absolutely. Well, I mean, one of the, for so many reasons, Tucker, but I mean,

02:18:52.780 to name a couple of them, you know, if you have a big blood sugar swing, which the average American,

02:18:58.900 because the vast majority of our calories are coming from ultra processed food that turn into

02:19:02.060 glucose in our bloodstream, blood sugar, right? When you have a big glucose spike and crash,

02:19:06.420 that is associated with reduced fact recall. Literally that crash and spike, you know,

02:19:11.600 like the post-meal crash, like you eat something and then you might feel lethargic afterwards.

02:19:14.600 That's in part because your blood sugar is skyrocketing and crashing. The average American child

02:19:18.900 is probably on this roller coaster all day long. We want stable, steady blood sugar levels.

02:19:23.580 So we're not crashing. It's making us dumber then.

02:19:25.020 That's not. And then, so that's the short term, right? Over the long term, we're building the

02:19:29.720 machine of the body out of shoddy materials, right? And that's going to impact our brains. It's

02:19:33.140 going to impact our, you know, the way that we think. And, you know, our microbiome makes a lot of

02:19:39.000 our neurotransmitters and we are just trashing our microbiome now, right? With ultra processed food,

02:19:43.300 no fiber, fiber feeds the microbiome. The 95% of Americans aren't getting enough fibers.

02:19:48.900 We're not feeding the thing inside of us that makes our neurotransmitters that helps us think

02:19:52.800 this is insanity. And then we're trashing the microbiome with antibiotics, which destroy our,

02:19:57.640 we're overusing antibiotics like crazy, which destroy our microbiome and increase our risk

02:20:02.320 of depression and other issues. Three times more suicidal than you're after taking them.

02:20:05.900 What? So there is just, it's the all out warfare and it makes you kind of step back and think like,

02:20:13.680 what's happening here? Like we have this kind of like, sort of like doled out, dumb,

02:20:18.300 I'm not saying the Americans, I'm saying that like, it's making us, it's reducing our IQs.

02:20:24.620 It's making us lose our minds early with Alzheimer's. It's making our kids not able

02:20:28.520 to sit down and learn because of ADHD and autism rates that are skyrocketing. And it's all going up

02:20:33.840 all at once. And we know it's because of our toxic food systems and the chemicals in our environment.

02:20:38.440 And we're not protecting kids. And that is very sinister. And I think, you know, on the biggest

02:20:44.920 macro level, like the kind of the most zoomed out spiritual level, like, I think, you know,

02:20:50.580 what we have to realize is that like, we are miracles. Like every human is a miracle. This life

02:20:55.420 is a miracle. Like this is weird. I mean, spiritual beings having this insane experience on planet Earth.

02:21:01.320 And fundamentally, the thing that we're doing with metabolic health is we're making energy in the body,

02:21:06.640 right? The way we're doing that is we're taking food that got its energy from the sun, right? Like

02:21:11.520 the sun literally, photosynthesis happens, it creates starches and plants, and then we eat them

02:21:17.480 or animals eat them. And what metabolism is, is taking the starches that are stored energy from

02:21:23.260 the sun through photosynthesis, liberating in our bodies to create energy to fuel our minds and to

02:21:28.280 fuel our bodies so that we can think and reach our highest purpose. And right now in the vast majority

02:21:32.320 of Americans, our toxic food system is blocking that process, which means it's blocking

02:21:36.620 the miraculous process of essentially taking this beautiful, this is not woo-woo, this is just

02:21:41.760 fact of science, taking this universal sun light energy and liberating it to fuel our lives.

02:21:47.560 That is broken. This is dark. This is very dark. Americans are not only sick, but the core process

02:21:53.680 of being able to create, you know, and transform energy is broken. And we need to fix this because we

02:22:00.220 need all hands on deck right now in America to solve these big issues. And we need to be thinking

02:22:03.980 properly, feeling good, and we can rapidly with some of these simple changes.

02:22:08.500 I don't think I can add to that. And as I said an hour ago, I do think you're going to change the

02:22:12.780 world. I mean that. I mean that. And this is the book. I never do this because it feels so grubby

02:22:17.120 and commercial, but in this case, I mean it. Good energy. So, and that was good energy. Thank you.

02:22:21.440 Thank you. Thank you, Tucker.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - August 16, 2024

Calley & Casey Means： The Truth About Ozempic, the Pill, and How Big Pharma Keeps You Sick

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