The Tucker Carlson Show - Calley Means

00:00:00.000 You'd think less than two years after the very public failure of the COVID vaccines that more

00:00:15.540 people in this country would be skeptical of brand new pharma products. And maybe they are,

00:00:20.840 but they don't seem very skeptical of Ozempic, which is a diabetes drug that apparently,

00:00:26.340 at least in the short term, can help people lose weight. And on one level,

00:00:28.820 you can see where they're not skeptical. This is a very fat country. That's a huge problem.

00:00:33.720 And a lot of people, a lot of us wouldn't mind losing 20 pounds by taking a pill. So why shouldn't

00:00:40.360 we? Well, we thought it'd be interesting to hear the other side, the side that you were not hearing

00:00:44.500 on the question of Ozempic from someone who knows a lot about it. Callie Means is the founder of

00:00:48.820 TruMed. He once worked for pharma. He definitely does not now. And he joins us today in studio.

00:00:53.340 Callie, thanks so much for coming on.

00:00:54.560 Pumped to be here, Tucker.

00:00:55.160 So you want to lose 20 pounds. And I'm speaking from experience. You want to lose 20 pounds.

00:00:59.660 You don't really want to stop eating pizza. This seems like a super quick way to get healthier.

00:01:06.000 Why wouldn't you take Ozempic? Why shouldn't I take Ozempic?

00:01:08.700 There's three big reasons Ozempic is very problematic. And I think really the Rosetta Stone

00:01:12.720 to understanding what's gone wrong in healthcare and frankly, pharma industry corruption.

00:01:16.720 The first point I want to make is that if a fish tank is dirty, you clean the tank. You don't drug the

00:01:22.860 fish. And in America right now- So they won't notice.

00:01:25.720 In America right now, we've got a very dirty tank. 50% of teens and 80% of adults are overweight.

00:01:34.300 And this has happened in just a generation. We didn't become systematically lazier in the past

00:01:38.680 generation as Americans and frankly suicidal. Something has happened. And the core mistake of

00:01:44.620 Ozempic is that obesity is not an Ozempic deficiency. Obesity is not the root cause of the problem.

00:01:50.800 Obesity is one branch of the tree of underlying metabolic dysfunction that's ravaging our country.

00:01:57.820 As we talked about with over 50% of Americans having pre-diabetes now, 33% of young adults-

00:02:02.880 Wait, most Americans have pre-diabetes?

00:02:04.940 Oh, it's by some measures is up to 60%-

00:02:07.900 Of the whole country?

00:02:08.960 Of adults and 33% of young adults and teens. And you have a diabetes doctor, you know,

00:02:17.240 just a generation ago, wouldn't see one child in their entire careers with diabetes. Now,

00:02:22.300 diabetes, which again is cellular dysfunction, is cellular disruption, totally caused by environmental

00:02:29.080 factors in what we're eating. That's close to becoming upwards of 50% of kids. It's 33% and

00:02:35.880 growing radically. Teens, 25% have fatty liver disease, which is something you only used to see

00:02:41.980 in elderly alcoholics. So there's a metabolic health crisis that's caused by decisions, right?

00:02:48.900 The USDA, which is completely corrupt, the guidelines that set nutrition standards, 95%

00:02:53.120 of the guideline committees paid for by food companies, they say that a two-year-old, that

00:02:57.000 10% of their diet could be added sugar. We have more money from agriculture subsidies in America

00:03:02.500 today go to cigarettes, go to tobacco than vegetables. 90% of subsidies go to highly processed

00:03:07.540 food. We've propped this industry up. Food stamps, right, which 15% of Americans depend

00:03:12.680 on for nutrition, 10% of all food stamps funding goes to soda. We're the only country in the

00:03:17.440 world that allows that. So we have-

00:03:19.260 Goes to soda?

00:03:19.960 Goes to soda. So the-

00:03:21.540 So the U.S. government pays people to drink soda?

00:03:23.740 We, the U.S. government direct from the federal treasury, more than $10 billion per year go from

00:03:29.820 the federal treasury to soda companies through the food stamp program. The number one item purchased

00:03:34.640 with food stamps in America is addictive diabetes water. We prop that up with food stamps. As we

00:03:40.500 talked about last time, I actually used to work and consult with Coke and we pay the NAACP and other 0.94

00:03:45.820 groups to say it was racist to take that away. We totally rigged the debate. So through a corrupt

00:03:51.040 system, we actually subsidize soda. We do 10 of these things, right? We do 10 easily identifiable

00:03:57.280 things that are causing us, frankly, to be poisoned. And instead of talking about the root cause,

00:04:01.680 we're saying that a weekly injection that you have to take for your entire life that costs $20,000

00:04:08.780 per patient when 80% of American adults are overweight or obese, we're saying that is the

00:04:15.020 answer for obesity. We have a dirty tank and pharma has basically changed our consensus reality to say,

00:04:23.820 you know, when all of these things are happening all at once due to environmental factors, our savior,

00:04:28.220 what we, you do the math on $20,000 per patient, 80% of American adults. We're talking, and this is

00:04:34.960 clear on Wall Street, food stocks are going down, pharma stocks are going up because this is, they're

00:04:39.860 doing cartwheels on Wall Street. This is on track because of government funding, because we are stand

00:04:44.300 to put trillions of government funding into this drug to be the most successful drug in American history.

00:04:49.180 So what, wow. There's a lot there. But let me just get back to the individual decision

00:04:57.480 to take or not to take this drug. So you're overweight, you have pre-diabetes, and your

00:05:03.080 doctor says, you know, what you would say, which is that's a very serious thing to have. Just because

00:05:08.160 it's common doesn't mean it's not bad. It is bad. And this drug can cure it. Why wouldn't you do that?

00:05:12.980 It segues really well into the second issue, why I was thinking it was so problematic. So on a societal

00:05:17.520 level, you know, I think anyone that agrees, you know, if you're just, just looking at this issue,

00:05:22.420 um, you know, putting everybody and pumping everyone that's epic for their lives, isn't the

00:05:25.880 first thing you do to solve obesity. But even if it was perfect, even if it was right, even if it was

00:05:30.520 perfect, but the problem is when you get to the individual level, this drug medically is a absolute

00:05:36.680 disaster. Medically, medically, it's a disaster. So all you need to know is that Novo Nordics, the company

00:05:42.820 that makes this drug recently passed LVMH to become the most valuable company in Europe.

00:05:47.520 So this, this drug, this company, most valuable company in Europe, they don't allow this drug for

00:05:53.100 obesity in Europe. Almost all of Novo Nordics revenue is coming from taking advantage of Americans.

00:05:58.980 This is not the first line of defense for obesity in any European country. It's not approved by the

00:06:06.220 government regulators. They are saying on their stock calls that they're all of their growth is

00:06:11.620 coming from the U S they're taking advantage of a broken U S system in the United States. And when you

00:06:16.220 dive into it, even people in the United States who are getting government funding, insurance funding

00:06:20.100 for this drug, don't have to pay for it. 30% of them go off the drug within three months. So even

00:06:25.400 though they're fully being paid for it, we're being told this is a lifetime drug, there's lawsuits

00:06:29.480 coming just reported in the past couple of days on gastrointestinal issues and stomach paralysis.

00:06:34.400 The drug itself essentially is a stomach paralysis. Um, what dish, what is stomach paralysis? The,

00:06:41.120 the, the, the drug that what it does is essentially it, it, it sterilizes its stomach, uh, paralyzes your

00:06:46.780 stomach, um, to, to make you not be able to process food correctly. And there's studies now saying

00:06:51.160 that that stomach paralysis, the really, uh, messing with your ability to digest food actually stays

00:06:56.540 after you go off the drug. So there's lawsuits now with people with severe gastrointestinal issues

00:07:01.880 after coming off the drugs, that's being pronounced and that that's coming out in lawsuits. Um,

00:07:06.980 additionally, because of that, you're consistently seeing patients who go off the drugs, uh, gain the

00:07:12.080 weight back. So that, that, that's almost, I think, universally accepted even by Nova Norics. When you

00:07:17.380 go off the drug, you gain the weight back. But again, we're seeing most people that take the drug

00:07:22.640 within the first year come off it because the gastrointestinal issues, the stomach issues are so

00:07:27.600 pronounced. Additionally, the EU, again, where this company is based, uh, just launched a, uh, a probe

00:07:34.120 into suicidal ideation caused by Ozempic. You can't even make this up, but the EU is doing a, uh, a

00:07:41.680 massive probe because there's so many reports of increased depression, increased suicide. Now I was

00:07:47.400 debating a Harvard doctor about six months ago, and I brought this up because it's kind of obvious,

00:07:51.160 uh, your serotonin, what produces your contentment and happiness, 95% is made in the gut. And again,

00:07:57.200 Ozempic essentially is gut dysfunction. So when you mess with the serotonin and mess with the gut,

00:08:02.640 a lot of unexpected things happening and very understandably, and really what's to be expected

00:08:08.540 is we're actually seeing reports of a mass increase in mental health disorders and even suicidal

00:08:14.220 ideation, uh, from Ozempic. Um, you know, it kind of, you just back up and ask, you know,

00:08:19.800 this miracle drug is too good to be true. It's really coming through. Wait, so you're saying there

00:08:23.980 could be a downside. It's not perfect. 30% of people. Um, but, but I want to say this and, and,

00:08:31.100 and, and I'm a libertarian, you know, I think, uh, people should be able to take Ozempic. I think most

00:08:35.740 drugs should be legal, legal, frankly. Um, the problem is where the rubber really hits the road

00:08:42.060 is there is an all out assault to convince us that this is the appropriate drug. Again, this is the

00:08:48.380 target market. This is why the stocks are popping and why wall street's going crazy. It's the biggest

00:08:53.100 TAM, the biggest target market for any drug in American history. It's 80% of American adults,

00:08:57.880 uh, but it's being fast tracked. You wouldn't believe this, but the American Academy of Pediatrics

00:09:03.640 recently said that they recommend this as a first line of defense for teens. And the study basing that

00:09:11.300 decision for the American Academy of Pediatrics to say that every obese or overweight teen, which is 50%

00:09:16.540 should take this drug was a 68 week study. We had a 68 week study for a lifetime recommendation

00:09:23.420 to 50% of teens in America to receive these injections. So, so I guess nothing would surprise

00:09:29.340 me coming from the American Academy of Pediatrics, which seems really like a vector for badness.

00:09:34.140 Yeah. Um, given their performance during COVID. However, you just still have to wonder how, how did

00:09:40.780 that happen? That seems reckless. Like how could a body like that, which has some residual moral authorities

00:09:45.740 because of its name? How could they do that? You are transitioning like perfectly, uh, into the 0.98

00:09:51.180 third point, which is that the reason Olympic, I think it's such a important story in America today

00:09:57.420 is because it's really, again, it's, it's the Rosetta stone of understanding corruption. Um,

00:10:02.220 our institutions, particularly the healthcare industry, uh, has completely let us down.

00:10:07.660 And you just step back and think about it. Pharma is the largest spender on TV, new ad news ads.

00:10:13.580 It's the largest spender. Novo Nordics specifically is the largest spender on foundational obesity

00:10:17.820 research. It's the largest spender on, um, medical to medical groups like the AAP. It's one of the

00:10:24.540 largest, um, uh, funders of actual civil rights groups. So you actually can't even believe this,

00:10:29.900 but Novo Nordics is paying the NAACP to say that not supporting Olympic is a civil rights issue.

00:10:37.980 So you're racist if you're against giving kids a diabetes drug?

00:10:40.780 It's on the NAACP website and the NAACP is a registered lobbyist for Ozempic saying that you 0.98

00:10:49.500 are a racist because there's disproportionate issues, uh, with obesity in certain communities,

00:10:54.620 that you're a racist for not supporting government funding for Ozempic. Of course.

00:11:00.460 And the NAACP takes money from the drug maker?

00:11:03.580 They're a registered lobbyist for the drug maker.

00:11:06.380 How can the NAACP be a registered lobbyist for anybody?

00:11:11.260 They have a, they have a lobbying organization. They have to declare who their lobbying clients

00:11:14.860 are. And as reported in NPR very recently, they are registered as a lobbyist for Novo Nordics.

00:11:21.020 And on their website, they're saying it is, uh, example of systemic racism to not support federal

00:11:27.340 funding for Ozempic. So this is what I saw working for pharma. You just have to ask who people trust.

00:11:33.260 People trust the medical groups. They trust civil rights groups. They trust the media.

00:11:37.020 You have a situation where, uh, additionally, Novo Nordics, and this is reported, has given

00:11:42.940 $30 million in direct bribes to obesity doctors. You would be hard pressed to find a doctor who treats

00:11:50.220 obesity in this country who has not received some kind of donation, not, not research grants,

00:11:55.340 but direct consulting grants from Novo Nordics. Like just sending him cash?

00:11:59.500 Exactly. So how can doctors take cash from drug makers?

00:12:02.540 Oh, this is, this is what's done. The drug makers spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year in

00:12:07.500 direct cash payments to doctors. But you can't get the drug except with a script written by the

00:12:12.300 doctor in the prescription. Yeah. Who, who, who, who take direct consulting fees

00:12:16.540 from... How can that be legal? This is, this is, you know, what you watch, uh, things about the

00:12:20.700 opioid crisis and how the opioid, uh, completes the same playbook. You know, I actually, when I was working

00:12:25.980 for pharma, the opioid crisis, uh, was in full effect. And there was a panel in 2012, and the

00:12:32.540 panel was full of outside experts recommending guidance on opioids. The head of that panel was

00:12:37.180 a man named Dr. Philip Pizzo, who was the Dean of Stanford Med School at the time. He was a pain 0.76

00:12:41.580 specialist. At the moment he was appointed to that panel, Stanford received a grant from Pfizer, who's

00:12:46.060 one of the largest opioid makers, of $3 million for pain research. He appointed 90% of that panel,

00:12:51.820 who are also conflicted to receive direct research and personal consulting fees from

00:12:55.180 opioid makers, and they released relaxed opioid standards. This is exactly what's happening on

00:13:00.620 obesity. You have Dr. Fatima Stanford, the head of obesity research at Harvard,

00:13:05.180 paid tens of thousands of dollars by Novo Nordics, just started a new... Directly?

00:13:09.340 Directly. Direct. No, no, not, not to mention, of course, millions of dollars of research grants.

00:13:13.740 She's been paid tens of thousands of dollars. Well, how can Harvard allow that?

00:13:16.460 There are no conflict of interest rules in medicine. Harvard is supporting her,

00:13:22.620 and the NIH recently, it came out that 8,000 research grants went to university professors

00:13:28.780 who also have a direct conflict of interest with the topic and the drug they're studying.

00:13:33.660 How can the doc... I mean, how can you be a physician, even a teaching physician, and do that?

00:13:39.740 I mean, that's so obviously unethical. It's so obvious. It's so omnipresent

00:13:45.660 that this isn't... It isn't discussed. I mean, you're saying this like... It is obvious. It's

00:13:51.340 manifestly obvious. You hear this, most Americans are outraged. This is like, you know, you're swimming

00:13:55.980 in water. You don't realize you're in water. This is how academia is. The food industry, if you know,

00:14:00.620 taking it to food, which is making us sick, spends 11 times more on foundational nutrition research

00:14:05.820 than the NIH. Pharma is the lifeblood, right, of foundational scientific research in this country.

00:14:13.500 And then you get to the NIH. Of course, it's a revolving door between government and industry.

00:14:19.820 And the vast majority of NIH grants go to pharma research. So the NIH is basically a grant-making

00:14:25.820 organization. And this is just statistical, almost all going to research that has conflicts of interest

00:14:31.020 with pharmaceutical drugs. The problem here is that every institution, all these institutions,

00:14:36.380 fundamentally make more money when we're sick. Ozempic doesn't cure obesity. It manages obesity for life.

00:14:42.780 And that's a problem. Statins don't... I'm sorry, I should have asked at the 0.61

00:14:46.380 answer. You've made a couple of references to it for life. Is that as advertised?

00:14:49.660 Oh, no, no. So if I sign up for Ozempic tomorrow, the physician will tell me you've got to take this

00:14:54.220 forever. Those are the instructions, yes. They admit that there's unknown metabolic problems if you go

00:15:01.260 off. But that's on the box. No, no. This is a lifetime injection. The key thing here, Tucker,

00:15:08.540 and again, getting the corruption, right? You're paying off the doctors. You're paying off the

00:15:12.940 medical groups. 50% of TV news funding. I mean, you know, I think it's... Oh, I've seen it.

00:15:17.980 Yeah. And, you know, there's... RFK's talked about this back in the day with Roger Ailes.

00:15:22.140 When 50% of your bills, because I speak in the choir here, but 50% of your bills are paid by

00:15:27.660 a certain interest. Why didn't the news media have any curiosity during COVID why people were

00:15:35.820 dying of COVID? Metabolically healthy people weren't dying of COVID. This is where the corruption

00:15:40.940 and really where it all ties together. I'm sorry. Will you describe that in a

00:15:44.620 little more detail? We had probably the biggest event in American history since World War II,

00:15:49.900 where we shut down the country, where we really, I think, showed our weakness just physically and

00:15:55.340 mentally as Americans. You know, American COVID deaths were substantially higher than other

00:15:59.980 countries. And research, you know, it's not argued, has come out saying that COVID was a foodborne

00:16:05.180 illness. Dying of COVID was a foodborne illness. If you were metabolically healthy, if you had stable

00:16:10.780 cholesterol, stable fasting glucose, weren't obese, you didn't die of COVID. COVID disproportionately,

00:16:16.940 overwhelmingly, even among older people, affected people with comorbidities. And we are a lot sicker in

00:16:23.020 America. And the comorbidities were caused by eating bad food.

00:16:26.460 Mostly. Comorbidities are obesity, heart disease,

00:16:30.860 diabetes. Those are the main comorbidities. So if you did not have those, you were essentially

00:16:37.260 not impacted by COVID and had an almost 0% chance of dying of COVID. So the media though, right, who's

00:16:43.100 heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies, didn't have any curiosity about that, didn't have any

00:16:48.620 curiosity. Maybe this is a 9-11 moment that we're not at our best as America, right? We are a sick,

00:16:54.780 depressed, infertile population. Sperm count is down 50% in just the past generation. 25% of women now

00:17:02.140 have PCOS, leading cause of infertility. We are having trouble reproducing as a species. And these are

00:17:08.220 all connected. And there was a moment to talk about this, but instead the media, the government

00:17:13.340 institutions who are paid by pharma pushed a pharmaceutical solution with trillions of dollars

00:17:20.060 of airtime as the solution to our crisis. This was one of the greatest public policy mistakes

00:17:26.220 in American history. What after coming off of the worst public policy failure, I think one of the

00:17:32.780 worst in American history with the COVID response on every level, keeping the bars open and shutting

00:17:38.060 down the schools to pushing an effective pharmaceutical solution instead of root cause

00:17:42.780 solutions. We're being asked to trust pharma when 80% of the American people, their bodies are like

00:17:50.300 rebelling against them with obesity, which are clearly a sign of underlying issues where Ozympic and daily,

00:17:57.020 you know, weekly shots is not the root cause. This just on its face doesn't make sense. And then you trace

00:18:01.980 the corruptions. Again, Ozympic is paying off everyone. They are one of the five largest funders, 0.95

00:18:09.020 the company itself, one of the five largest funders of news ads, one of the top research funders of obesity

00:18:14.300 research, largest funders to university on the obesity topic. And the thing I, you know, kind of kind of ram

00:18:20.140 home here, Tucker, is you just have to look where the money is. So if you actually look at the analyst reports

00:18:26.620 that are propping up these stocks, they're assuming an increase in obesity. So you talk about all the,

00:18:32.700 like the Novo Nordics largest company, uh, in Europe, they literally in, in the, where the money

00:18:37.820 hits the road, where people are investing millions of dollars, they're assuming increased rates of

00:18:42.940 obesity over the next 10 years in America. You actually, I was talking to a, a doctor at Harvard,

00:18:48.060 uh, they, you know, they're underwriting a loan for a new obesity center where they can,

00:18:51.820 they can treat an issue of Ozympic. Those loans have projections for growth of obesity. They're

00:18:57.660 not projecting that increased Ozympic is going to decrease obesity. The loans that are underpinning

00:19:04.700 these medical centers, if you go to any, any city in the country, the biggest, most beautiful building

00:19:09.500 is, is, you know, some kind of new pediatric, you know, obesity center or cardiology center. Um,

00:19:15.260 the, the loans assume increased rates of conditions. So fundamentally we have the largest

00:19:20.220 energy in the country, healthcare, not asking, imagine the leader saying, how do we reverse

00:19:25.420 obese? How do we cure? They're not asking that. They're saying, how can we actually say obesity

00:19:29.660 is not your fault? Oprah, who's involved with rate Weight Watchers, just apologized for preaching

00:19:35.420 personal accountability over the past decades. She said, it's not personal accountability.

00:19:40.060 We're supporting Ozympic. This is becoming, obesity is becoming something.

00:19:44.540 So you think Oprah got paid? She's highly involved with Weight Watchers. 1.00

00:19:47.900 Yeah. Weight Watchers has shifted from a personal accountability organization that it's been,

00:19:53.180 um, preaching for decades and is now a prescriber of Ozympic. They've totally 1.00

00:19:57.180 changed because Ozympic is a better business model because you never go off of it. 0.65

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00:21:44.300 So maybe one of the reasons this is accepted, people don't see it as totally crazy as I do. I don't

00:21:52.700 take Advil, so all of this seems crazy to me. But the average, say 65-year-old person in this country

00:22:00.380 is on how many drugs? About seven. Seven. And not just intermittently,

00:22:07.020 but like over the years. Chronic. 90 plus percent of funding for medicine dollars is around chronic

00:22:14.940 lifetime. It's more recurring revenue. So describe what that looks like,

00:22:20.140 like the scale of it. Yeah. I think, again,

00:22:22.380 we're so desensitized to this that we don't understand how crazy, how much of a failure

00:22:25.580 it's been. Well, I'll give you an example of my mom. So my mom was 71 for a checkup and was told

00:22:32.220 by the doctor she was healthy. And she was actually at the time on seven lifetime medications. So she was

00:22:42.220 on maybe a decade before, had high cholesterol, was prescribed a statin. And the message from the doctor

00:22:48.700 was, no problem. Most, you know, the majority almost of people your age are on a statin. No

00:22:53.740 problem. That's a rite of passage. Then she had high fasting glucose. Again, that's basically

00:22:57.900 pre-diabetes, which the majority of people have. Metformin, one of the most prescribed drugs in

00:23:01.420 the country, high blood pressure. So she has these comorbidities that are almost seen as like rites

00:23:05.180 of passage. You know, it's a rite of passage for a man over 40 to be on a statin. The majority are. 0.93

00:23:10.780 So these were all kind of normal things. So as we've treated everything in silos,

00:23:16.700 that's a lie. Heart disease, diabetes, in many ways, depression, Alzheimer's, they're branches of

00:23:24.540 the same tree. We've actually lied saying those are different conditions, seeing four different

00:23:31.420 doctors for four different treatments that don't even talk to each other. So we're managing the

00:23:36.300 symptoms instead of seeing those symptoms as a gift and realizing that we have a root cause metabolic

00:23:41.420 crisis. That's why the more stans we prescribe, the more heart disease goes up. The more metformin

00:23:46.140 we prescribe, the more diabetes goes up. The more SSRIs we prescribe, which are now 25% of women-

00:23:51.100 The higher the suicide rate goes.

00:23:52.460 We're seeing skyrocket. So we're siloing everything and literally-

00:23:56.220 Wait, so there's so many questions. So 25% of women are on SSRIs?

00:23:59.820 We have a societal dynamic where 25% of women in the United States are on a medication. And I'm

00:24:05.340 not just flatly anti-drug, but this is a societal dynamic, Tucker. We have 25% of women taking something

00:24:10.540 that fundamentally numbs you out from reality. And we don't even blink an eye at that. And depression,

00:24:17.020 mental health disorders, anxiety, suicide. Suicide is now the second leading cause of death

00:24:21.980 for young adults. SSRIs-

00:24:23.660 After drug, after drug odies.

00:24:25.740 Yeah. And which I think could be related. And SSRIs, you talk to any high schooler now and

00:24:32.540 looking in, it's the first line of defense. I mean, it is prescribed like candy when-

00:24:36.220 To children?

00:24:36.780 Oh, yes.

00:24:37.740 SSRIs.

00:24:38.940 Oh, SSRI prescription rates are skyrocketing among teens. You talk to any high school counselor,

00:24:45.100 anyone in any high school, this is the first line of defense when-

00:24:47.500 I would never talk to a high school counselor on any circumstance.

00:24:49.900 Yeah. Well, that's very smart. But yeah, they're skyrocketing among kids. And there's actually a

00:24:56.220 black box warning on SSRI's label actually saying that it increases suicidal ideation among children,

00:25:03.340 and they're widely prescribed to children. Not to mention the fact that 20% of high school seniors

00:25:08.220 are on essentially methamphetamines, Adderall, which if you read the book Blitzed,

00:25:13.820 actually traces the history. Adderall was developed by Nazi Germany as a

00:25:18.140 tool for Nazi soldiers to be more aggressive and now is prescribed widely along with SSRIs to kids.

00:25:23.980 Oh. One thing I'm trying to keep track of everything you're saying,

00:25:30.460 all of which is checkable, I assume on the internet. Statin drugs are prescribed to the

00:25:37.580 majority of American men over 40? The last rate, I think 2019, the last study I said was 45%. And I

00:25:45.180 think there's reports that now post-COVID it's close to 50%.

00:25:49.020 So what's the downside of statin drugs?

00:25:51.900 Oh, there's wild research coming out. I mean, the highest level, just even if the drugs don't

00:25:57.020 have no side effects, heart disease isn't a statin deficiency. What statins to me at the most important

00:26:02.700 level represent that we have a moral hazard, right? Fundamentally, when you're prescribed that statin,

00:26:09.180 you're told by the doctor that you're doing something. When you're prescribed the Ozempic,

00:26:12.700 the doctor, Fatima Stanford on 60 Minutes, who's a paid off doctor from Ozempic, said,

00:26:16.780 throw willpower out the window. This is a brain disease. Food isn't the problem. It's a medical

00:26:22.140 issue. Take Ozempic. Do not worry about what you're eating.

00:26:25.020 This is exactly what Purdue Pharma said about pain 20 years ago.

00:26:27.420 Yeah. So you have these messages. You have the statins. You're doing something. You now

00:26:32.780 can eat what you want to eat. You wouldn't even believe this, but until 2018, and Dr. Robert Lustig,

00:26:39.660 who's a hero of mine, has pointed this out, an endocrinologist at UCSF, the American Diabetes

00:26:46.220 Association said that as long as you take your medications, you do not need to change your diet

00:26:52.140 as a diabetic. So you literally have guidance from the American Heart Association, from the American

00:26:58.620 Diabetes Association, now from the obesity industrial complex, saying that if you take these drugs,

00:27:05.340 you're good. But that's a lie because there's never been a drug in American history for a chronic

00:27:11.820 condition that has lowered the rate of that chronic condition. What's the cost of all that? Just

00:27:17.500 diabetes. Well, with diabetes, this is the root cause. Again, it's a misnomer to see this as an

00:27:23.740 isolated condition. Almost 100% of people with Alzheimer's have prediabetes or diabetes. Diabetes is

00:27:30.220 one of the- Seriously?

00:27:32.220 Alzheimer's is now called type 3 diabetes. The most highest indicator you can have for dementia

00:27:37.820 or Alzheimer's is some kind of blood sugar dysregulation. If you have normal fasting glucose

00:27:42.940 levels, your chance of having any type of dementia is very, very low. Dementia is highly tied. Again,

00:27:50.380 I don't even like using the word diabetes. Diabetes is cellular dysregulation caused by our environment

00:27:56.460 or food. Again, the majority of people in this country have some form of that happening inside

00:28:02.140 their bodies because our environment and this is unprecedented. So diabetes is really the root

00:28:06.540 cause. But if you just take diabetes, this is one of the biggest line items in the US budget.

00:28:12.780 If you add up all the line items we're spending on healthcare, just to manage diabetes, it's more than

00:28:16.940 the defense budget. What's- Wait, wait. The US government spends more managing diabetes than it does

00:28:23.260 in defense? What is it going- If you want to stack rank, what's what would bring down the American

00:28:28.620 Republic, it's not marginal rates of military spending. It's not what the marginal tax rate is.

00:28:36.860 Our biggest line item in our budget, the biggest part of our economy is healthcare,

00:28:40.540 and it's also the fastest growing industry. Healthcare is the largest and the fastest growing

00:28:45.180 industry in the United States. The bulk of that spending is coming from government. And as it grows,

00:28:50.940 it produces worse results. It is not slowing down. It's going to be 40% of the budget in about 15

00:28:57.580 years. And it's only growing. There's nothing stopping this trend. And as that's happening,

00:29:03.340 we're becoming an infertile, depressed, sicker population at an almost exponential rate. 0.97

00:29:08.620 We're going to cease to exist as a country because we let that happen. And you look at the budget and

00:29:14.300 you look what's really going to destroy the budget in our country. Defense is a small part of it.

00:29:20.060 It is healthcare costs. It is metabolic dysfunction. And is diabetes the biggest?

00:29:26.060 Diabetes and pre-diabetes is the root of almost everything. You have very few people with heart

00:29:31.180 disease, with many forms of cancer, with dementia, with all these. This is the lie that's being told.

00:29:37.500 When my sister graduated Stanford Medical School, she had to choose between 42 specialties. She was a head 0.99

00:29:43.980 neck surgeon and then in the fellowship was going to be even the smaller part of the body, one

00:29:48.700 millimeter. That's what doctors devote their lives to. Literally, that's a lie. That's a lie.

00:29:55.980 When she was cutting out sinus inflammation, she looked at a patient's report. They had 60 pages.

00:30:01.660 They had pre-diabetes. They had depression. They had heart issues. She didn't speak to those doctors.

00:30:06.780 And she was never trained how the inflammation that she's cutting someone's face open and taking

00:30:12.860 out. Not once at Stanford Med School was she trained or even brought up why that person has

00:30:20.060 inflammation in the first place. That surgery, you know, Medicaid will pay $20,000 for that,

00:30:26.540 along with all the other comorbidities the patient has. We're training doctors, right?

00:30:31.340 Medical schools, pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, nurses, insurance companies. They make

00:30:37.820 money when people are sicker for longer periods of time. The way to do that is to silo conditions.

00:30:43.020 That's why Ozempic is so important, because obesity is not a siloed condition. Obesity is a visible

00:30:50.460 example that we are losing our way as Americans. And treating that in a silo is just medically not

00:30:56.300 going to work and it's happening because of corruption. But it is, and I should just say,

00:31:02.380 I agree with everything. But even if I disagreed, it doesn't matter. I would say,

00:31:06.460 Ozempic is a response to an actual problem. You've conceded that. So if Ozempic isn't the answer,

00:31:13.580 what is? If you were an alien that came down to earth and saw what's happening in America,

00:31:18.780 and I want to make this clear, it's happening specifically in America. I mean,

00:31:22.860 our obesity rate, diabetes rate, heart disease rate, it's multiples more than some European

00:31:29.420 countries and Japan, countries like that. There's something unique happening

00:31:33.020 with the environment in America. And if you came down, an alien that was smart, that kind of,

00:31:38.300 you know, had a veil of ignorance and looked around, and you saw 80% of Americans consuming such toxic

00:31:46.700 things in their environment that their bodies are literally... cellular... Is it a visible result of

00:31:51.420 cellular dysregulation? Obesity is literally the cells crying out for help and showing that they're

00:31:55.660 dysregulated, which represents stuff happening invisibly in the body, such as all the chronic

00:32:00.620 conditions we've talked about. If you look at that happening, highly related to mental health

00:32:05.020 disorders, highly related to infertility, all connected, you would never say, let's keep everyone 0.66

00:32:09.500 sick and give them marginal drugs. You would just never do that. We have been completely gaslighted by

00:32:15.340 pharma. Elon, who I think is the most important American in the country, but has recently said,

00:32:21.500 these drugs are good. I think it's a little bit unlike him because we're not analyzing the problem

00:32:29.020 and assessing what the root cause solution is. I think we've frankly been, we've changed our reality.

00:32:34.940 We've changed our perception of kind of what reality is based on pharma, thinking that these marginal

00:32:40.620 tools and we've lost our way, right? The drug for every condition in a silent state hasn't worked.

00:32:46.940 We're all getting sicker. We've totally lost our way. Peter Tia pointed out that if you control

00:32:52.700 for infectious diseases and acute things that would kill you right away, life expectancy really hasn't

00:32:57.260 grown in the past hundred years. The almost a hundred percent of life expectancy increase, which we

00:33:02.620 all herald, is acute issues, things that would have killed you right away, childhood mortality. If you

00:33:08.220 actually, um, chronic, polio appendicitis stuff, all that stuff. Yeah. And, um, so we actually have

00:33:13.820 really lost our way. And if there's one moment to kind of, as a country say, can we change course a

00:33:19.820 little bit? It's this, cause this is the biggest issue. This is 80% of Americans. It is going to just

00:33:25.420 do the math. In America, when drugs are prescribed widely, costs don't go down. You're not allowed to lower

00:33:31.980 drug prices if they're prescribed widely. And the moment Ozempic is approved, which is an all out battle to do,

00:33:38.780 for government funding. There's an incentive for every obesity doctor in the country to prescribe

00:33:45.100 this to 80% of American adults and 50% of US teens. It's the government then can't tell the doctor

00:33:50.140 what to prescribe. So you've got a $20,000 cost. This is 20,000. That price is not coming down. Do the

00:33:56.540 math. 50 million. We have much more than 50 million obese people. 50 million is well over a trillion

00:34:00.620 dollars a year. This is why the stocks are going up.

00:34:10.780 So the battle here, and this is my point to Elon and a lot of people,

00:34:14.620 I want you to understand the battle is what are we going to do societally about the metabolic health

00:34:18.380 crisis? And what should we do? Like you're in charge. I know you said you're a libertarian,

00:34:22.140 but let's just imagine you were a fascist and you could do whatever you wanted.

00:34:25.580 I think the president can do numerous things tomorrow. I think one of the biggest lies

00:34:32.860 are being told is this can be turned around quickly. We did not have a metabolic health

00:34:36.380 crisis a generation ago, and we can turn this on very quick. I don't think the American people are

00:34:40.460 mass suicidal, frankly, which is what we're acting. We have an addiction crisis. I can give you a couple

00:34:45.100 right now. The president tomorrow can tell the FDA that the US can no longer be the only country in the

00:34:49.340 world that allows pharma ads on TV news, which isn't to influence the consumers. It's to influence the

00:34:53.820 news. Pharma buys off the news, and the FDA can issue an order tomorrow saying that that's no longer

00:34:59.100 the case, that we can't have pharma spending on TV news. That is an executive decision. It can be

00:35:05.500 issued tomorrow, and it would totally undercut the ability of the pharmaceutical industry to control

00:35:10.060 our information. Food stamps, the ag bill-

00:35:12.620 So you think that pharma ... I'm sorry. Yeah.

00:35:14.460 You're throwing so ... For my aging pizza-addle brain, it's hard to keep up. But you're saying

00:35:21.340 pharma buys TV spots not to convince people to ask for specific drugs from their physicians,

00:35:27.500 but to subvert the news business? This is an open secret working for pharma.

00:35:32.460 I never even thought of that. This is an open secret. The kind of silly ads you see between the

00:35:38.780 news breaks. The points of that is not ... It's marginally to impact the customer, but the pharma's 0.58

00:35:45.420 already got that. They've already bought off the doctors. They're good on that. No, this is an open

00:35:50.220 secret. The news ad spending from pharma is a public relation lobbying tactic, essentially, to buy off

00:35:59.020 the news. The news is a ... They're not investigating pharma. There's a ... Oh, I've noticed.

00:36:04.780 The news has become ... The news has become basically a referee that you were a terrible

00:36:11.260 anti-science Luddite for asking why the shots that we require our kids to get that fundamentally,

00:36:19.740 by their own advertising, change the immune system of that child for life, why it's gone from 20 to 70.

00:36:26.060 To even ask that question, the news referees that and calls you anti-science when the two largest

00:36:31.820 vaccine makers in the country are literally criminal enterprises. GlaxoSmithKline and Merck,

00:36:38.060 in the past five years, has settled two of the largest criminal penalties in American corporate

00:36:42.300 history for bribing doctors and creating misleading research, who are the two largest vaccine makers.

00:36:49.420 So you literally have the media playing referee that you can't even ask a question.

00:36:53.500 If you have a vaccine injury, and many people have, including some I know very well,

00:37:01.100 even a profound vaccine injury, you're not allowed to complain about it.

00:37:03.820 No, no. No, you're anti-science in the media.

00:37:05.740 Even if it can be shown to us that this is a vaccine injury.

00:37:07.500 The media plays referee because they're funded. So on all levels, right? On all levels.

00:37:13.100 It's very dark, Callie means.

00:37:15.020 Well, I think it's hopefully empowering. I think this is why we have an opportunity here,

00:37:20.300 Tucker. Like Ozempic, this is not some like new, like, you know, it's kind of this funny thing.

00:37:24.380 Like, oh, you know, it's kind of vain. I can lose weight. This is going, the reason the stocks are

00:37:29.660 going up is because this is going to be a lot of government money. This is going to be the highest

00:37:33.580 funded drug from the US taxpayer in history. We've got a society. When are we going to say,

00:37:39.580 let's go another direction? Why are we trusting pharma now when they've been completely acting

00:37:46.860 to garner no trust? We have to be basic here and incentivize better eating, better farming.

00:37:55.820 You know, think about public policy with the $4 trillion we've done on healthcare. How can

00:37:58.700 Americans be more active? These are basic things, but these can be done. And just two more quick ones.

00:38:04.220 I mean, there's, there's 20 of these, but you just have to go to the incentives. We, you were

00:38:09.580 surprised that the majority of, um, university researchers and NIH grants go to conflicted,

00:38:16.140 um, researchers. Yeah. I was shocked tomorrow. The president could say, we're not going to touch

00:38:21.660 NIH funding, but we're not going to shoot grants anymore to people with conflicts of interest. That

00:38:26.460 would sound like a reasonable policy to 95% of the American people. I think that's unimpeachable,

00:38:30.460 bipartisan policy. Of course. It, it will cause a conniption. The media, the next day

00:38:36.540 with their talking points would say it's the most anti-science. You're cutting NIH funding.

00:38:40.060 Exactly. So you could do that. You could change ag subsidies, which are just tens of billions of

00:38:46.140 dollars to process food. You could put, uh, restrictions on university conflicts of interests,

00:38:51.900 which are essentially R and D labs or pharma. Um, and I think a key one, Tucker, and you go back to the

00:38:57.260 American Academy of Pediatrics. This isn't just some like industry group, the American Academy of

00:39:01.900 Pediatrics, the American Diabetes Association, and these medical groups have statutory authority to

00:39:06.380 create the standard care for how we practice medicine in the United States. They are funded

00:39:10.860 majority by pharma. So the groups that are literally have statutory power to create the

00:39:15.820 standard of care for diabetes, you just step back. Why aren't doctors in giving their patients

00:39:22.540 prescriptions for food interventions if they have prediabetes? Why aren't they giving them and

00:39:29.660 prescribing them and allowing them to use their medically, you know, tax advantage dollars to

00:39:33.580 exercise? If you actually follow the science, that would be the correct medical intervention

00:39:38.220 to reverse that. But we're so gaslighted by this, you know, it just, it's just not even batting an

00:39:44.140 eye that it's just pill, pill, pill. Americans follow incentives. It's what, what we're trying to do,

00:39:49.100 true med is you can actually, a doctor actually can write a note for exercise and food. And that

00:39:53.980 actually can open up medical tax advantage dollars and other insurance dollars. You actually, doctors

00:39:59.340 could do that. But the second you get someone off the chronic disease treadmill, that's not a

00:40:04.300 profitable patient. There's nothing more profitable for the pharmaceutical industry than frankly,

00:40:09.900 a sick kid. You know, you imagine a kid with prediabetes, inevitably they're obese,

00:40:13.900 inevitably they have hypertension, inevitably they have heart issues. They're going to be like my mom

00:40:18.140 much earlier on just a ton of drugs being told on each of those drugs that you're not curing

00:40:23.100 anything. These are, these are conditions you need to manage for life. So we're getting people, there's

00:40:27.740 a war to get kids on that bandwagon. We need to have the moral clarity, frankly, and communicate

00:40:34.540 this like RFK is communicating it. There's something really resonating and at the core of his message

00:40:40.140 is that we've really lost our way. This is a big issue. This is corruption. It's corruption at the

00:40:44.620 end of the day, which is destroying and profiting off, destroying our kids, profiting on us being

00:40:50.940 sicker and addicted and depressed, quite frankly. This is a big issue we need to unwind. And frankly,

00:40:56.700 President Trump has made some strong statements about this. I'd say watching the GOP debate,

00:41:00.780 it's like watching a bizarre world. I mean, the world is burning in a lot of ways. We have a corruption

00:41:04.620 problem and it sounds like they're at, you know, some cocktail party in 1988, GOP cocktail party.

00:41:09.260 It, you know, it's not about the marginal tax rate. It's not about, you know, the Medicare Part D,

00:41:14.060 page 300. Our biggest industries, our biggest industry, the healthcare industry is profiting

00:41:21.900 from us being sick. It's just that simple. We need to unwind that or we're going to destroy our human

00:41:26.140 capital and destroy our budget. If people have come to the end of this conversation and want to

00:41:31.580 learn more, I never do this, but I think it's worth it with you for sure. How can they learn more

00:41:36.460 about your views on this? How can they learn more about these issues? What would you recommend?

00:41:40.700 Well, as we talked about, this is my life's passion with my sister who was a doctor who

00:41:44.220 left the system. And I'll announce it right now. I've helped her write a book that's just put on

00:41:48.700 Amazon today called Good Energy, Unwinding and Unpacking These Issues Using Her Experience in

00:41:53.900 Medicine. We've put our heart and soul into that book to really unwind these issues, which we think

00:41:58.220 are the most important issues in the country. And then my company is truemed.com and we help

00:42:02.700 write food prescriptions. I mean, you know, it's our company, but I want to say that I think it's the

00:42:06.220 most important issue in the world. What we need to do is doctors need to follow the science.

00:42:13.020 Doctors need to, when somebody has a metabolic condition, explain to them and incentivize them

00:42:18.780 to practice better eating, to exercise. People listen to doctors. When we were told

00:42:24.860 the food pyramid to eat carbs, we ate carbs. When we were told to take vaccines, we took vaccines.

00:42:29.260 When we were told to stop smoking, smoking rates plummeted. We need every doctor and every medical

00:42:34.940 leader. And frankly, I hope leaders like Elon who care about human capital and our potential to say,

00:42:41.740 we need to unwind this and we need to get back to root causes in America and talk about food,

00:42:46.700 talk about exercise, talk about sleep. You can transform your life. These policies would transform

00:42:50.860 things. You can change your biomarkers in three months. If you go on a functional medicine type

00:42:56.140 program and really have curiosity about what you're eating, your behavior. What if we had

00:43:01.740 that message from a medical leaders? So we're working on that with TruMed and I'm on Twitter,

00:43:07.500 which I have mixed feelings about, but talking about this on my Twitter, Callie Means.

00:43:10.700 Callie Means, thank you for that. Thank you. That was intense.

00:43:23.180 A broad giveaway here.

00:43:32.300 Thanks.

00:43:32.700 Bigono seeds.

00:43:33.100 You can change your handwriting.

00:43:39.740 You can change your handwriting again.

The Tucker Carlson Show - February 03, 2024

Calley Means

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