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Summary
TruMed s CEO, Callie Means, explains why you should take the new diabetes drug Ozempic. And why it s a bad idea. She also explains why obesity is the root cause of the problem, not the pill, and why we should all be worried about it. This episode is brought to you by Shots, a pharmaceutical company that makes a lot of money from obesity and other obesity-related issues. Shots is a high-yield, high-potency, low-profit venture capitalist company. It was founded in the late 1800s by Henry Blodget and was acquired by Eli Lilly and Co. in the early 1900s. Since then, the company has grown into a multi-billion dollar enterprise and is a major supplier of drugs and medical devices to the pharmaceutical industry, including insulin, insulin, and insulin refills, among other products. The company has been around for over 30 years, and has been a long-term partner in the fight against obesity and diabetes. Callie is the founder of TruMed, a company that focuses on treating and treating patients with diabetes and other metabolic disorders. She is a former employee of the drug giant, and a former colleague of Dr. Tom Frieden, who once worked for the company, and now runs his own company, TruMed. She joins us in studio to explain why taking the pill should be a no-brainer. No. 1 choice for patients and everyone else should try the new drug. In this episode of Shots, Tucker and Tucker talk about why they should try it, and what it s going to do to help people lose weight. in a world where obesity is a huge problem, and how to lose weight, not lose fat, not just by taking a little bit more, but by eating healthy food. Why it s not about a pill, it s about exercise, not more soda, not less. And why you shouldn t take the pill. If you want to lose 20 pounds, you should try taking a pill and why you re not going to need to take it Why you should not take it. And how to get more than one. What s the best thing you can do to get enough calories, you need to eat more than enough. We ve got a dirty tank, not enough of it, you don t need to drink enough water, you ll need to be more than a glass of water, right? And more.
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You'd think less than two years after the very public failure of the COVID vaccines that more
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people in this country would be skeptical of brand new pharma products. And maybe they are,
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but they don't seem very skeptical of Ozempic, which is a diabetes drug that apparently,
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at least in the short term, can help people lose weight. And on one level,
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you can see where they're not skeptical. This is a very fat country. That's a huge problem.
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And a lot of people, a lot of us wouldn't mind losing 20 pounds by taking a pill. So why shouldn't
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we? Well, we thought it'd be interesting to hear the other side, the side that you were not hearing
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on the question of Ozempic from someone who knows a lot about it. Callie Means is the founder of
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TruMed. He once worked for pharma. He definitely does not now. And he joins us today in studio.
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So you want to lose 20 pounds. And I'm speaking from experience. You want to lose 20 pounds.
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You don't really want to stop eating pizza. This seems like a super quick way to get healthier.
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Why wouldn't you take Ozempic? Why shouldn't I take Ozempic?
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There's three big reasons Ozempic is very problematic. And I think really the Rosetta Stone
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to understanding what's gone wrong in healthcare and frankly, pharma industry corruption.
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The first point I want to make is that if a fish tank is dirty, you clean the tank. You don't drug the
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fish. And in America right now- So they won't notice.
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In America right now, we've got a very dirty tank. 50% of teens and 80% of adults are overweight.
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And this has happened in just a generation. We didn't become systematically lazier in the past
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generation as Americans and frankly suicidal. Something has happened. And the core mistake of
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Ozempic is that obesity is not an Ozempic deficiency. Obesity is not the root cause of the problem.
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Obesity is one branch of the tree of underlying metabolic dysfunction that's ravaging our country.
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As we talked about with over 50% of Americans having pre-diabetes now, 33% of young adults-
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Of adults and 33% of young adults and teens. And you have a diabetes doctor, you know,
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just a generation ago, wouldn't see one child in their entire careers with diabetes. Now,
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diabetes, which again is cellular dysfunction, is cellular disruption, totally caused by environmental
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factors in what we're eating. That's close to becoming upwards of 50% of kids. It's 33% and
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growing radically. Teens, 25% have fatty liver disease, which is something you only used to see
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in elderly alcoholics. So there's a metabolic health crisis that's caused by decisions, right?
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The USDA, which is completely corrupt, the guidelines that set nutrition standards, 95%
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of the guideline committees paid for by food companies, they say that a two-year-old, that
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10% of their diet could be added sugar. We have more money from agriculture subsidies in America
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today go to cigarettes, go to tobacco than vegetables. 90% of subsidies go to highly processed
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food. We've propped this industry up. Food stamps, right, which 15% of Americans depend
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on for nutrition, 10% of all food stamps funding goes to soda. We're the only country in the
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So the U.S. government pays people to drink soda?
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We, the U.S. government direct from the federal treasury, more than $10 billion per year go from
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the federal treasury to soda companies through the food stamp program. The number one item purchased
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with food stamps in America is addictive diabetes water. We prop that up with food stamps. As we
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talked about last time, I actually used to work and consult with Coke and we pay the NAACP and other
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groups to say it was racist to take that away. We totally rigged the debate. So through a corrupt
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system, we actually subsidize soda. We do 10 of these things, right? We do 10 easily identifiable
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things that are causing us, frankly, to be poisoned. And instead of talking about the root cause,
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we're saying that a weekly injection that you have to take for your entire life that costs $20,000
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per patient when 80% of American adults are overweight or obese, we're saying that is the
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answer for obesity. We have a dirty tank and pharma has basically changed our consensus reality to say,
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you know, when all of these things are happening all at once due to environmental factors, our savior,
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what we, you do the math on $20,000 per patient, 80% of American adults. We're talking, and this is
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clear on Wall Street, food stocks are going down, pharma stocks are going up because this is, they're
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doing cartwheels on Wall Street. This is on track because of government funding, because we are stand
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to put trillions of government funding into this drug to be the most successful drug in American history.
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So what, wow. There's a lot there. But let me just get back to the individual decision
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to take or not to take this drug. So you're overweight, you have pre-diabetes, and your
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doctor says, you know, what you would say, which is that's a very serious thing to have. Just because
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it's common doesn't mean it's not bad. It is bad. And this drug can cure it. Why wouldn't you do that?
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It segues really well into the second issue, why I was thinking it was so problematic. So on a societal
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level, you know, I think anyone that agrees, you know, if you're just, just looking at this issue,
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um, you know, putting everybody and pumping everyone that's epic for their lives, isn't the
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first thing you do to solve obesity. But even if it was perfect, even if it was right, even if it was
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perfect, but the problem is when you get to the individual level, this drug medically is a absolute
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disaster. Medically, medically, it's a disaster. So all you need to know is that Novo Nordics, the company
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that makes this drug recently passed LVMH to become the most valuable company in Europe.
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So this, this drug, this company, most valuable company in Europe, they don't allow this drug for
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obesity in Europe. Almost all of Novo Nordics revenue is coming from taking advantage of Americans.
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This is not the first line of defense for obesity in any European country. It's not approved by the
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government regulators. They are saying on their stock calls that they're all of their growth is
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coming from the U S they're taking advantage of a broken U S system in the United States. And when you
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dive into it, even people in the United States who are getting government funding, insurance funding
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for this drug, don't have to pay for it. 30% of them go off the drug within three months. So even
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though they're fully being paid for it, we're being told this is a lifetime drug, there's lawsuits
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coming just reported in the past couple of days on gastrointestinal issues and stomach paralysis.
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The drug itself essentially is a stomach paralysis. Um, what dish, what is stomach paralysis? The,
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the, the, the drug that what it does is essentially it, it, it sterilizes its stomach, uh, paralyzes your
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stomach, um, to, to make you not be able to process food correctly. And there's studies now saying
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that that stomach paralysis, the really, uh, messing with your ability to digest food actually stays
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after you go off the drug. So there's lawsuits now with people with severe gastrointestinal issues
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after coming off the drugs, that's being pronounced and that that's coming out in lawsuits. Um,
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additionally, because of that, you're consistently seeing patients who go off the drugs, uh, gain the
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weight back. So that, that, that's almost, I think, universally accepted even by Nova Norics. When you
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go off the drug, you gain the weight back. But again, we're seeing most people that take the drug
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within the first year come off it because the gastrointestinal issues, the stomach issues are so
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pronounced. Additionally, the EU, again, where this company is based, uh, just launched a, uh, a probe
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into suicidal ideation caused by Ozempic. You can't even make this up, but the EU is doing a, uh, a
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massive probe because there's so many reports of increased depression, increased suicide. Now I was
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debating a Harvard doctor about six months ago, and I brought this up because it's kind of obvious,
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uh, your serotonin, what produces your contentment and happiness, 95% is made in the gut. And again,
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Ozempic essentially is gut dysfunction. So when you mess with the serotonin and mess with the gut,
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a lot of unexpected things happening and very understandably, and really what's to be expected
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is we're actually seeing reports of a mass increase in mental health disorders and even suicidal
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ideation, uh, from Ozempic. Um, you know, it kind of, you just back up and ask, you know,
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this miracle drug is too good to be true. It's really coming through. Wait, so you're saying there
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could be a downside. It's not perfect. 30% of people. Um, but, but I want to say this and, and,
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and, and I'm a libertarian, you know, I think, uh, people should be able to take Ozempic. I think most
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drugs should be legal, legal, frankly. Um, the problem is where the rubber really hits the road
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is there is an all out assault to convince us that this is the appropriate drug. Again, this is the
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target market. This is why the stocks are popping and why wall street's going crazy. It's the biggest
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TAM, the biggest target market for any drug in American history. It's 80% of American adults,
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uh, but it's being fast tracked. You wouldn't believe this, but the American Academy of Pediatrics
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recently said that they recommend this as a first line of defense for teens. And the study basing that
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decision for the American Academy of Pediatrics to say that every obese or overweight teen, which is 50%
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should take this drug was a 68 week study. We had a 68 week study for a lifetime recommendation
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to 50% of teens in America to receive these injections. So, so I guess nothing would surprise
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me coming from the American Academy of Pediatrics, which seems really like a vector for badness.
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Yeah. Um, given their performance during COVID. However, you just still have to wonder how, how did
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that happen? That seems reckless. Like how could a body like that, which has some residual moral authorities
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because of its name? How could they do that? You are transitioning like perfectly, uh, into the
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third point, which is that the reason Olympic, I think it's such a important story in America today
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is because it's really, again, it's, it's the Rosetta stone of understanding corruption. Um,
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our institutions, particularly the healthcare industry, uh, has completely let us down.
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And you just step back and think about it. Pharma is the largest spender on TV, new ad news ads.
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It's the largest spender. Novo Nordics specifically is the largest spender on foundational obesity
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research. It's the largest spender on, um, medical to medical groups like the AAP. It's one of the
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largest, um, uh, funders of actual civil rights groups. So you actually can't even believe this,
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but Novo Nordics is paying the NAACP to say that not supporting Olympic is a civil rights issue.
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So you're racist if you're against giving kids a diabetes drug?
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It's on the NAACP website and the NAACP is a registered lobbyist for Ozempic saying that you
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are a racist because there's disproportionate issues, uh, with obesity in certain communities,
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that you're a racist for not supporting government funding for Ozempic. Of course.
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They're a registered lobbyist for the drug maker.
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How can the NAACP be a registered lobbyist for anybody?
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They have a, they have a lobbying organization. They have to declare who their lobbying clients
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are. And as reported in NPR very recently, they are registered as a lobbyist for Novo Nordics.
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And on their website, they're saying it is, uh, example of systemic racism to not support federal
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funding for Ozempic. So this is what I saw working for pharma. You just have to ask who people trust.
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People trust the medical groups. They trust civil rights groups. They trust the media.
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You have a situation where, uh, additionally, Novo Nordics, and this is reported, has given
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$30 million in direct bribes to obesity doctors. You would be hard pressed to find a doctor who treats
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obesity in this country who has not received some kind of donation, not, not research grants,
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but direct consulting grants from Novo Nordics. Like just sending him cash?
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Exactly. So how can doctors take cash from drug makers?
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Oh, this is, this is what's done. The drug makers spend hundreds of millions of dollars a year in
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direct cash payments to doctors. But you can't get the drug except with a script written by the
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doctor in the prescription. Yeah. Who, who, who, who take direct consulting fees
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from... How can that be legal? This is, this is, you know, what you watch, uh, things about the
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opioid crisis and how the opioid, uh, completes the same playbook. You know, I actually, when I was working
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for pharma, the opioid crisis, uh, was in full effect. And there was a panel in 2012, and the
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panel was full of outside experts recommending guidance on opioids. The head of that panel was
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a man named Dr. Philip Pizzo, who was the Dean of Stanford Med School at the time. He was a pain
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specialist. At the moment he was appointed to that panel, Stanford received a grant from Pfizer, who's
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one of the largest opioid makers, of $3 million for pain research. He appointed 90% of that panel,
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who are also conflicted to receive direct research and personal consulting fees from
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opioid makers, and they released relaxed opioid standards. This is exactly what's happening on
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obesity. You have Dr. Fatima Stanford, the head of obesity research at Harvard,
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paid tens of thousands of dollars by Novo Nordics, just started a new... Directly?
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Directly. Direct. No, no, not, not to mention, of course, millions of dollars of research grants.
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She's been paid tens of thousands of dollars. Well, how can Harvard allow that?
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There are no conflict of interest rules in medicine. Harvard is supporting her,
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and the NIH recently, it came out that 8,000 research grants went to university professors
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who also have a direct conflict of interest with the topic and the drug they're studying.
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How can the doc... I mean, how can you be a physician, even a teaching physician, and do that?
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I mean, that's so obviously unethical. It's so obvious. It's so omnipresent
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that this isn't... It isn't discussed. I mean, you're saying this like... It is obvious. It's
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manifestly obvious. You hear this, most Americans are outraged. This is like, you know, you're swimming
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in water. You don't realize you're in water. This is how academia is. The food industry, if you know,
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taking it to food, which is making us sick, spends 11 times more on foundational nutrition research
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than the NIH. Pharma is the lifeblood, right, of foundational scientific research in this country.
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And then you get to the NIH. Of course, it's a revolving door between government and industry.
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And the vast majority of NIH grants go to pharma research. So the NIH is basically a grant-making
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organization. And this is just statistical, almost all going to research that has conflicts of interest
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with pharmaceutical drugs. The problem here is that every institution, all these institutions,
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fundamentally make more money when we're sick. Ozempic doesn't cure obesity. It manages obesity for life.
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And that's a problem. Statins don't... I'm sorry, I should have asked at the
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answer. You've made a couple of references to it for life. Is that as advertised?
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Oh, no, no. So if I sign up for Ozempic tomorrow, the physician will tell me you've got to take this
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forever. Those are the instructions, yes. They admit that there's unknown metabolic problems if you go
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off. But that's on the box. No, no. This is a lifetime injection. The key thing here, Tucker,
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and again, getting the corruption, right? You're paying off the doctors. You're paying off the
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medical groups. 50% of TV news funding. I mean, you know, I think it's... Oh, I've seen it.
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Yeah. And, you know, there's... RFK's talked about this back in the day with Roger Ailes.
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When 50% of your bills, because I speak in the choir here, but 50% of your bills are paid by
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a certain interest. Why didn't the news media have any curiosity during COVID why people were
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dying of COVID? Metabolically healthy people weren't dying of COVID. This is where the corruption
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and really where it all ties together. I'm sorry. Will you describe that in a
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little more detail? We had probably the biggest event in American history since World War II,
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where we shut down the country, where we really, I think, showed our weakness just physically and
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mentally as Americans. You know, American COVID deaths were substantially higher than other
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countries. And research, you know, it's not argued, has come out saying that COVID was a foodborne
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illness. Dying of COVID was a foodborne illness. If you were metabolically healthy, if you had stable
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cholesterol, stable fasting glucose, weren't obese, you didn't die of COVID. COVID disproportionately,
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overwhelmingly, even among older people, affected people with comorbidities. And we are a lot sicker in
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America. And the comorbidities were caused by eating bad food.
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Mostly. Comorbidities are obesity, heart disease,
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diabetes. Those are the main comorbidities. So if you did not have those, you were essentially
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not impacted by COVID and had an almost 0% chance of dying of COVID. So the media though, right, who's
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heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies, didn't have any curiosity about that, didn't have any
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curiosity. Maybe this is a 9-11 moment that we're not at our best as America, right? We are a sick,
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depressed, infertile population. Sperm count is down 50% in just the past generation. 25% of women now
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have PCOS, leading cause of infertility. We are having trouble reproducing as a species. And these are
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all connected. And there was a moment to talk about this, but instead the media, the government
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institutions who are paid by pharma pushed a pharmaceutical solution with trillions of dollars
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of airtime as the solution to our crisis. This was one of the greatest public policy mistakes
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in American history. What after coming off of the worst public policy failure, I think one of the
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worst in American history with the COVID response on every level, keeping the bars open and shutting
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down the schools to pushing an effective pharmaceutical solution instead of root cause
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solutions. We're being asked to trust pharma when 80% of the American people, their bodies are like
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rebelling against them with obesity, which are clearly a sign of underlying issues where Ozympic and daily,
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you know, weekly shots is not the root cause. This just on its face doesn't make sense. And then you trace
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the corruptions. Again, Ozympic is paying off everyone. They are one of the five largest funders,
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the company itself, one of the five largest funders of news ads, one of the top research funders of obesity
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research, largest funders to university on the obesity topic. And the thing I, you know, kind of kind of ram
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home here, Tucker, is you just have to look where the money is. So if you actually look at the analyst reports
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that are propping up these stocks, they're assuming an increase in obesity. So you talk about all the,
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like the Novo Nordics largest company, uh, in Europe, they literally in, in the, where the money
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hits the road, where people are investing millions of dollars, they're assuming increased rates of
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obesity over the next 10 years in America. You actually, I was talking to a, a doctor at Harvard,
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uh, they, you know, they're underwriting a loan for a new obesity center where they can,
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they can treat an issue of Ozympic. Those loans have projections for growth of obesity. They're
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not projecting that increased Ozympic is going to decrease obesity. The loans that are underpinning
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these medical centers, if you go to any, any city in the country, the biggest, most beautiful building
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is, is, you know, some kind of new pediatric, you know, obesity center or cardiology center. Um,
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the, the loans assume increased rates of conditions. So fundamentally we have the largest
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energy in the country, healthcare, not asking, imagine the leader saying, how do we reverse
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obese? How do we cure? They're not asking that. They're saying, how can we actually say obesity
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is not your fault? Oprah, who's involved with rate Weight Watchers, just apologized for preaching
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personal accountability over the past decades. She said, it's not personal accountability.
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We're supporting Ozympic. This is becoming, obesity is becoming something.
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So you think Oprah got paid? She's highly involved with Weight Watchers.
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Yeah. Weight Watchers has shifted from a personal accountability organization that it's been,
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um, preaching for decades and is now a prescriber of Ozympic. They've totally
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changed because Ozympic is a better business model because you never go off of it.
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So maybe one of the reasons this is accepted, people don't see it as totally crazy as I do. I don't
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take Advil, so all of this seems crazy to me. But the average, say 65-year-old person in this country
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is on how many drugs? About seven. Seven. And not just intermittently,
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but like over the years. Chronic. 90 plus percent of funding for medicine dollars is around chronic
00:22:14.940
lifetime. It's more recurring revenue. So describe what that looks like,
00:22:22.380
we're so desensitized to this that we don't understand how crazy, how much of a failure
00:22:25.580
it's been. Well, I'll give you an example of my mom. So my mom was 71 for a checkup and was told
00:22:32.220
by the doctor she was healthy. And she was actually at the time on seven lifetime medications. So she was
00:22:42.220
on maybe a decade before, had high cholesterol, was prescribed a statin. And the message from the doctor
00:22:48.700
was, no problem. Most, you know, the majority almost of people your age are on a statin. No
00:22:53.740
problem. That's a rite of passage. Then she had high fasting glucose. Again, that's basically
00:22:57.900
pre-diabetes, which the majority of people have. Metformin, one of the most prescribed drugs in
00:23:01.420
the country, high blood pressure. So she has these comorbidities that are almost seen as like rites
00:23:05.180
of passage. You know, it's a rite of passage for a man over 40 to be on a statin. The majority are.
00:23:10.780
So these were all kind of normal things. So as we've treated everything in silos,
00:23:16.700
that's a lie. Heart disease, diabetes, in many ways, depression, Alzheimer's, they're branches of
00:23:24.540
the same tree. We've actually lied saying those are different conditions, seeing four different
00:23:31.420
doctors for four different treatments that don't even talk to each other. So we're managing the
00:23:36.300
symptoms instead of seeing those symptoms as a gift and realizing that we have a root cause metabolic
00:23:41.420
crisis. That's why the more stans we prescribe, the more heart disease goes up. The more metformin
00:23:46.140
we prescribe, the more diabetes goes up. The more SSRIs we prescribe, which are now 25% of women-
00:23:52.460
We're seeing skyrocket. So we're siloing everything and literally-
00:23:56.220
Wait, so there's so many questions. So 25% of women are on SSRIs?
00:23:59.820
We have a societal dynamic where 25% of women in the United States are on a medication. And I'm
00:24:05.340
not just flatly anti-drug, but this is a societal dynamic, Tucker. We have 25% of women taking something
00:24:10.540
that fundamentally numbs you out from reality. And we don't even blink an eye at that. And depression,
00:24:17.020
mental health disorders, anxiety, suicide. Suicide is now the second leading cause of death
00:24:25.740
Yeah. And which I think could be related. And SSRIs, you talk to any high schooler now and
00:24:32.540
looking in, it's the first line of defense. I mean, it is prescribed like candy when-
00:24:38.940
Oh, SSRI prescription rates are skyrocketing among teens. You talk to any high school counselor,
00:24:45.100
anyone in any high school, this is the first line of defense when-
00:24:47.500
I would never talk to a high school counselor on any circumstance.
00:24:49.900
Yeah. Well, that's very smart. But yeah, they're skyrocketing among kids. And there's actually a
00:24:56.220
black box warning on SSRI's label actually saying that it increases suicidal ideation among children,
00:25:03.340
and they're widely prescribed to children. Not to mention the fact that 20% of high school seniors
00:25:08.220
are on essentially methamphetamines, Adderall, which if you read the book Blitzed,
00:25:13.820
actually traces the history. Adderall was developed by Nazi Germany as a
00:25:18.140
tool for Nazi soldiers to be more aggressive and now is prescribed widely along with SSRIs to kids.
00:25:23.980
Oh. One thing I'm trying to keep track of everything you're saying,
00:25:30.460
all of which is checkable, I assume on the internet. Statin drugs are prescribed to the
00:25:37.580
majority of American men over 40? The last rate, I think 2019, the last study I said was 45%. And I
00:25:45.180
think there's reports that now post-COVID it's close to 50%.
00:25:51.900
Oh, there's wild research coming out. I mean, the highest level, just even if the drugs don't
00:25:57.020
have no side effects, heart disease isn't a statin deficiency. What statins to me at the most important
00:26:02.700
level represent that we have a moral hazard, right? Fundamentally, when you're prescribed that statin,
00:26:09.180
you're told by the doctor that you're doing something. When you're prescribed the Ozempic,
00:26:12.700
the doctor, Fatima Stanford on 60 Minutes, who's a paid off doctor from Ozempic, said,
00:26:16.780
throw willpower out the window. This is a brain disease. Food isn't the problem. It's a medical
00:26:22.140
issue. Take Ozempic. Do not worry about what you're eating.
00:26:25.020
This is exactly what Purdue Pharma said about pain 20 years ago.
00:26:27.420
Yeah. So you have these messages. You have the statins. You're doing something. You now
00:26:32.780
can eat what you want to eat. You wouldn't even believe this, but until 2018, and Dr. Robert Lustig,
00:26:39.660
who's a hero of mine, has pointed this out, an endocrinologist at UCSF, the American Diabetes
00:26:46.220
Association said that as long as you take your medications, you do not need to change your diet
00:26:52.140
as a diabetic. So you literally have guidance from the American Heart Association, from the American
00:26:58.620
Diabetes Association, now from the obesity industrial complex, saying that if you take these drugs,
00:27:05.340
you're good. But that's a lie because there's never been a drug in American history for a chronic
00:27:11.820
condition that has lowered the rate of that chronic condition. What's the cost of all that? Just
00:27:17.500
diabetes. Well, with diabetes, this is the root cause. Again, it's a misnomer to see this as an
00:27:23.740
isolated condition. Almost 100% of people with Alzheimer's have prediabetes or diabetes. Diabetes is
00:27:32.220
Alzheimer's is now called type 3 diabetes. The most highest indicator you can have for dementia
00:27:37.820
or Alzheimer's is some kind of blood sugar dysregulation. If you have normal fasting glucose
00:27:42.940
levels, your chance of having any type of dementia is very, very low. Dementia is highly tied. Again,
00:27:50.380
I don't even like using the word diabetes. Diabetes is cellular dysregulation caused by our environment
00:27:56.460
or food. Again, the majority of people in this country have some form of that happening inside
00:28:02.140
their bodies because our environment and this is unprecedented. So diabetes is really the root
00:28:06.540
cause. But if you just take diabetes, this is one of the biggest line items in the US budget.
00:28:12.780
If you add up all the line items we're spending on healthcare, just to manage diabetes, it's more than
00:28:16.940
the defense budget. What's- Wait, wait. The US government spends more managing diabetes than it does
00:28:23.260
in defense? What is it going- If you want to stack rank, what's what would bring down the American
00:28:28.620
Republic, it's not marginal rates of military spending. It's not what the marginal tax rate is.
00:28:36.860
Our biggest line item in our budget, the biggest part of our economy is healthcare,
00:28:40.540
and it's also the fastest growing industry. Healthcare is the largest and the fastest growing
00:28:45.180
industry in the United States. The bulk of that spending is coming from government. And as it grows,
00:28:50.940
it produces worse results. It is not slowing down. It's going to be 40% of the budget in about 15
00:28:57.580
years. And it's only growing. There's nothing stopping this trend. And as that's happening,
00:29:03.340
we're becoming an infertile, depressed, sicker population at an almost exponential rate.
00:29:08.620
We're going to cease to exist as a country because we let that happen. And you look at the budget and
00:29:14.300
you look what's really going to destroy the budget in our country. Defense is a small part of it.
00:29:20.060
It is healthcare costs. It is metabolic dysfunction. And is diabetes the biggest?
00:29:26.060
Diabetes and pre-diabetes is the root of almost everything. You have very few people with heart
00:29:31.180
disease, with many forms of cancer, with dementia, with all these. This is the lie that's being told.
00:29:37.500
When my sister graduated Stanford Medical School, she had to choose between 42 specialties. She was a head
00:29:43.980
neck surgeon and then in the fellowship was going to be even the smaller part of the body, one
00:29:48.700
millimeter. That's what doctors devote their lives to. Literally, that's a lie. That's a lie.
00:29:55.980
When she was cutting out sinus inflammation, she looked at a patient's report. They had 60 pages.
00:30:01.660
They had pre-diabetes. They had depression. They had heart issues. She didn't speak to those doctors.
00:30:06.780
And she was never trained how the inflammation that she's cutting someone's face open and taking
00:30:12.860
out. Not once at Stanford Med School was she trained or even brought up why that person has
00:30:20.060
inflammation in the first place. That surgery, you know, Medicaid will pay $20,000 for that,
00:30:26.540
along with all the other comorbidities the patient has. We're training doctors, right?
00:30:31.340
Medical schools, pharma companies, hospitals, doctors, nurses, insurance companies. They make
00:30:37.820
money when people are sicker for longer periods of time. The way to do that is to silo conditions.
00:30:43.020
That's why Ozempic is so important, because obesity is not a siloed condition. Obesity is a visible
00:30:50.460
example that we are losing our way as Americans. And treating that in a silo is just medically not
00:30:56.300
going to work and it's happening because of corruption. But it is, and I should just say,
00:31:02.380
I agree with everything. But even if I disagreed, it doesn't matter. I would say,
00:31:06.460
Ozempic is a response to an actual problem. You've conceded that. So if Ozempic isn't the answer,
00:31:13.580
what is? If you were an alien that came down to earth and saw what's happening in America,
00:31:18.780
and I want to make this clear, it's happening specifically in America. I mean,
00:31:22.860
our obesity rate, diabetes rate, heart disease rate, it's multiples more than some European
00:31:29.420
countries and Japan, countries like that. There's something unique happening
00:31:33.020
with the environment in America. And if you came down, an alien that was smart, that kind of,
00:31:38.300
you know, had a veil of ignorance and looked around, and you saw 80% of Americans consuming such toxic
00:31:46.700
things in their environment that their bodies are literally... cellular... Is it a visible result of
00:31:51.420
cellular dysregulation? Obesity is literally the cells crying out for help and showing that they're
00:31:55.660
dysregulated, which represents stuff happening invisibly in the body, such as all the chronic
00:32:00.620
conditions we've talked about. If you look at that happening, highly related to mental health
00:32:05.020
disorders, highly related to infertility, all connected, you would never say, let's keep everyone
00:32:09.500
sick and give them marginal drugs. You would just never do that. We have been completely gaslighted by
00:32:15.340
pharma. Elon, who I think is the most important American in the country, but has recently said,
00:32:21.500
these drugs are good. I think it's a little bit unlike him because we're not analyzing the problem
00:32:29.020
and assessing what the root cause solution is. I think we've frankly been, we've changed our reality.
00:32:34.940
We've changed our perception of kind of what reality is based on pharma, thinking that these marginal
00:32:40.620
tools and we've lost our way, right? The drug for every condition in a silent state hasn't worked.
00:32:46.940
We're all getting sicker. We've totally lost our way. Peter Tia pointed out that if you control
00:32:52.700
for infectious diseases and acute things that would kill you right away, life expectancy really hasn't
00:32:57.260
grown in the past hundred years. The almost a hundred percent of life expectancy increase, which we
00:33:02.620
all herald, is acute issues, things that would have killed you right away, childhood mortality. If you
00:33:08.220
actually, um, chronic, polio appendicitis stuff, all that stuff. Yeah. And, um, so we actually have
00:33:13.820
really lost our way. And if there's one moment to kind of, as a country say, can we change course a
00:33:19.820
little bit? It's this, cause this is the biggest issue. This is 80% of Americans. It is going to just
00:33:25.420
do the math. In America, when drugs are prescribed widely, costs don't go down. You're not allowed to lower
00:33:31.980
drug prices if they're prescribed widely. And the moment Ozempic is approved, which is an all out battle to do,
00:33:38.780
for government funding. There's an incentive for every obesity doctor in the country to prescribe
00:33:45.100
this to 80% of American adults and 50% of US teens. It's the government then can't tell the doctor
00:33:50.140
what to prescribe. So you've got a $20,000 cost. This is 20,000. That price is not coming down. Do the
00:33:56.540
math. 50 million. We have much more than 50 million obese people. 50 million is well over a trillion
00:34:00.620
dollars a year. This is why the stocks are going up.
00:34:10.780
So the battle here, and this is my point to Elon and a lot of people,
00:34:14.620
I want you to understand the battle is what are we going to do societally about the metabolic health
00:34:18.380
crisis? And what should we do? Like you're in charge. I know you said you're a libertarian,
00:34:22.140
but let's just imagine you were a fascist and you could do whatever you wanted.
00:34:25.580
I think the president can do numerous things tomorrow. I think one of the biggest lies
00:34:32.860
are being told is this can be turned around quickly. We did not have a metabolic health
00:34:36.380
crisis a generation ago, and we can turn this on very quick. I don't think the American people are
00:34:40.460
mass suicidal, frankly, which is what we're acting. We have an addiction crisis. I can give you a couple
00:34:45.100
right now. The president tomorrow can tell the FDA that the US can no longer be the only country in the
00:34:49.340
world that allows pharma ads on TV news, which isn't to influence the consumers. It's to influence the
00:34:53.820
news. Pharma buys off the news, and the FDA can issue an order tomorrow saying that that's no longer
00:34:59.100
the case, that we can't have pharma spending on TV news. That is an executive decision. It can be
00:35:05.500
issued tomorrow, and it would totally undercut the ability of the pharmaceutical industry to control
00:35:14.460
You're throwing so ... For my aging pizza-addle brain, it's hard to keep up. But you're saying
00:35:21.340
pharma buys TV spots not to convince people to ask for specific drugs from their physicians,
00:35:27.500
but to subvert the news business? This is an open secret working for pharma.
00:35:32.460
I never even thought of that. This is an open secret. The kind of silly ads you see between the
00:35:38.780
news breaks. The points of that is not ... It's marginally to impact the customer, but the pharma's
00:35:45.420
already got that. They've already bought off the doctors. They're good on that. No, this is an open
00:35:50.220
secret. The news ad spending from pharma is a public relation lobbying tactic, essentially, to buy off
00:35:59.020
the news. The news is a ... They're not investigating pharma. There's a ... Oh, I've noticed.
00:36:04.780
The news has become ... The news has become basically a referee that you were a terrible
00:36:11.260
anti-science Luddite for asking why the shots that we require our kids to get that fundamentally,
00:36:19.740
by their own advertising, change the immune system of that child for life, why it's gone from 20 to 70.
00:36:26.060
To even ask that question, the news referees that and calls you anti-science when the two largest
00:36:31.820
vaccine makers in the country are literally criminal enterprises. GlaxoSmithKline and Merck,
00:36:38.060
in the past five years, has settled two of the largest criminal penalties in American corporate
00:36:42.300
history for bribing doctors and creating misleading research, who are the two largest vaccine makers.
00:36:49.420
So you literally have the media playing referee that you can't even ask a question.
00:36:53.500
If you have a vaccine injury, and many people have, including some I know very well,
00:37:01.100
even a profound vaccine injury, you're not allowed to complain about it.
00:37:05.740
Even if it can be shown to us that this is a vaccine injury.
00:37:07.500
The media plays referee because they're funded. So on all levels, right? On all levels.
00:37:15.020
Well, I think it's hopefully empowering. I think this is why we have an opportunity here,
00:37:20.300
Tucker. Like Ozempic, this is not some like new, like, you know, it's kind of this funny thing.
00:37:24.380
Like, oh, you know, it's kind of vain. I can lose weight. This is going, the reason the stocks are
00:37:29.660
going up is because this is going to be a lot of government money. This is going to be the highest
00:37:33.580
funded drug from the US taxpayer in history. We've got a society. When are we going to say,
00:37:39.580
let's go another direction? Why are we trusting pharma now when they've been completely acting
00:37:46.860
to garner no trust? We have to be basic here and incentivize better eating, better farming.
00:37:55.820
You know, think about public policy with the $4 trillion we've done on healthcare. How can
00:37:58.700
Americans be more active? These are basic things, but these can be done. And just two more quick ones.
00:38:04.220
I mean, there's, there's 20 of these, but you just have to go to the incentives. We, you were
00:38:09.580
surprised that the majority of, um, university researchers and NIH grants go to conflicted,
00:38:16.140
um, researchers. Yeah. I was shocked tomorrow. The president could say, we're not going to touch
00:38:21.660
NIH funding, but we're not going to shoot grants anymore to people with conflicts of interest. That
00:38:26.460
would sound like a reasonable policy to 95% of the American people. I think that's unimpeachable,
00:38:30.460
bipartisan policy. Of course. It, it will cause a conniption. The media, the next day
00:38:36.540
with their talking points would say it's the most anti-science. You're cutting NIH funding.
00:38:40.060
Exactly. So you could do that. You could change ag subsidies, which are just tens of billions of
00:38:46.140
dollars to process food. You could put, uh, restrictions on university conflicts of interests,
00:38:51.900
which are essentially R and D labs or pharma. Um, and I think a key one, Tucker, and you go back to the
00:38:57.260
American Academy of Pediatrics. This isn't just some like industry group, the American Academy of
00:39:01.900
Pediatrics, the American Diabetes Association, and these medical groups have statutory authority to
00:39:06.380
create the standard care for how we practice medicine in the United States. They are funded
00:39:10.860
majority by pharma. So the groups that are literally have statutory power to create the
00:39:15.820
standard of care for diabetes, you just step back. Why aren't doctors in giving their patients
00:39:22.540
prescriptions for food interventions if they have prediabetes? Why aren't they giving them and
00:39:29.660
prescribing them and allowing them to use their medically, you know, tax advantage dollars to
00:39:33.580
exercise? If you actually follow the science, that would be the correct medical intervention
00:39:38.220
to reverse that. But we're so gaslighted by this, you know, it just, it's just not even batting an
00:39:44.140
eye that it's just pill, pill, pill. Americans follow incentives. It's what, what we're trying to do,
00:39:49.100
true med is you can actually, a doctor actually can write a note for exercise and food. And that
00:39:53.980
actually can open up medical tax advantage dollars and other insurance dollars. You actually, doctors
00:39:59.340
could do that. But the second you get someone off the chronic disease treadmill, that's not a
00:40:04.300
profitable patient. There's nothing more profitable for the pharmaceutical industry than frankly,
00:40:09.900
a sick kid. You know, you imagine a kid with prediabetes, inevitably they're obese,
00:40:13.900
inevitably they have hypertension, inevitably they have heart issues. They're going to be like my mom
00:40:18.140
much earlier on just a ton of drugs being told on each of those drugs that you're not curing
00:40:23.100
anything. These are, these are conditions you need to manage for life. So we're getting people, there's
00:40:27.740
a war to get kids on that bandwagon. We need to have the moral clarity, frankly, and communicate
00:40:34.540
this like RFK is communicating it. There's something really resonating and at the core of his message
00:40:40.140
is that we've really lost our way. This is a big issue. This is corruption. It's corruption at the
00:40:44.620
end of the day, which is destroying and profiting off, destroying our kids, profiting on us being
00:40:50.940
sicker and addicted and depressed, quite frankly. This is a big issue we need to unwind. And frankly,
00:40:56.700
President Trump has made some strong statements about this. I'd say watching the GOP debate,
00:41:00.780
it's like watching a bizarre world. I mean, the world is burning in a lot of ways. We have a corruption
00:41:04.620
problem and it sounds like they're at, you know, some cocktail party in 1988, GOP cocktail party.
00:41:09.260
It, you know, it's not about the marginal tax rate. It's not about, you know, the Medicare Part D,
00:41:14.060
page 300. Our biggest industries, our biggest industry, the healthcare industry is profiting
00:41:21.900
from us being sick. It's just that simple. We need to unwind that or we're going to destroy our human
00:41:26.140
capital and destroy our budget. If people have come to the end of this conversation and want to
00:41:31.580
learn more, I never do this, but I think it's worth it with you for sure. How can they learn more
00:41:36.460
about your views on this? How can they learn more about these issues? What would you recommend?
00:41:40.700
Well, as we talked about, this is my life's passion with my sister who was a doctor who
00:41:44.220
left the system. And I'll announce it right now. I've helped her write a book that's just put on
00:41:48.700
Amazon today called Good Energy, Unwinding and Unpacking These Issues Using Her Experience in
00:41:53.900
Medicine. We've put our heart and soul into that book to really unwind these issues, which we think
00:41:58.220
are the most important issues in the country. And then my company is truemed.com and we help
00:42:02.700
write food prescriptions. I mean, you know, it's our company, but I want to say that I think it's the
00:42:06.220
most important issue in the world. What we need to do is doctors need to follow the science.
00:42:13.020
Doctors need to, when somebody has a metabolic condition, explain to them and incentivize them
00:42:18.780
to practice better eating, to exercise. People listen to doctors. When we were told
00:42:24.860
the food pyramid to eat carbs, we ate carbs. When we were told to take vaccines, we took vaccines.
00:42:29.260
When we were told to stop smoking, smoking rates plummeted. We need every doctor and every medical
00:42:34.940
leader. And frankly, I hope leaders like Elon who care about human capital and our potential to say,
00:42:41.740
we need to unwind this and we need to get back to root causes in America and talk about food,
00:42:46.700
talk about exercise, talk about sleep. You can transform your life. These policies would transform
00:42:50.860
things. You can change your biomarkers in three months. If you go on a functional medicine type
00:42:56.140
program and really have curiosity about what you're eating, your behavior. What if we had
00:43:01.740
that message from a medical leaders? So we're working on that with TruMed and I'm on Twitter,
00:43:07.500
which I have mixed feelings about, but talking about this on my Twitter, Callie Means.
00:43:10.700
Callie Means, thank you for that. Thank you. That was intense.