The Tucker Carlson Show - Candace Owens： Macron, Harvey Weinstein, and Why “Christ Is King” Totally Broke People’s Brains

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00:00:35.320 I'm so excited.

00:00:36.240 With child number four in tow, who's just off camera.

00:00:40.000 What is going on with Macron?

00:00:42.500 I mean, it's the craziest thing that's ever happened, certainly in my life.

00:00:46.320 It's been repeatedly crazy from the Trump call to the lawsuit.

00:00:50.540 I didn't even know.

00:00:51.520 Can you just back up a little bit for those who don't know what you're referring to, the Trump call?

00:00:55.480 What does that mean?

00:00:56.060 So, I was called by Trump in February.

00:01:00.320 Emmanuel Macron had visited Trump, and I had done this series about, it was about his wife, Brigitte Macron.

00:01:08.860 And the series got a lot of views, and Emmanuel Macron personally flew to D.C.

00:01:14.400 and asked Trump to ask me to shut up, to just stop speaking about his wife.

00:01:22.900 Did you know this was going to rise to the level of international incident?

00:01:25.560 No, and it's actually making me go back.

00:01:27.820 And historically, I'm thinking, you know, all the times we were told that a war ended because of this or because of that.

00:01:33.080 If this was one element of negotiation of Emmanuel Macron to Trump and the topic of why he was, you know,

00:01:38.640 ostensibly there was to discuss the end of the Ukrainian and Russian war.

00:01:41.780 But you're taking Trump aside and you're asking him to shut up this podcaster in the U.S.

00:01:45.940 I'm wondering if anything that we're told in our history books is real.

00:01:50.720 That is exactly right.

00:01:52.720 I have wondered the same.

00:01:54.240 That is just absolutely amazing.

00:01:56.120 So he's a viewer.

00:02:18.680 We know that.

00:02:19.560 He is a viewer.

00:02:20.360 Him and his wife and their entire entourage.

00:02:22.900 They watch every minute of my show.

00:02:24.760 Trump certainly didn't.

00:02:26.020 I know Trump, I think, stays much more in the mainstream media in terms of watching what he watches.

00:02:32.280 But he must have been completely confused.

00:02:34.220 He sounded very confused.

00:02:35.400 He said he was very confused when a leader of the leader of France took him aside.

00:02:41.040 Of a nuclear armed country.

00:02:43.120 During negotiations for Ukraine and Russia to inquire about whether or not he knew Candace Owens.

00:02:49.340 And clearly it was an emergency because it wasn't like Trump called me two days after or a week after.

00:02:55.020 It wasn't like a, you know, a side conversation that, oh, let's take care of that.

00:02:58.440 I was messaged by the intermediary hours after Macron left.

00:03:04.300 Maybe even an hour after Macron had left.

00:03:06.680 And said, like, we need to get on the phone with you.

00:03:09.800 The president of the United States.

00:03:10.940 Well, first, the person said, somebody very close to the president of the United States is asking me to ask you to stop talking about Brigitte's penis.

00:03:19.840 And I.

00:03:21.540 This is this is the true face of diplomacy.

00:03:23.760 I love it.

00:03:24.220 And I laughed because I said, OK, no, bye.

00:03:27.760 This seems ridiculous.

00:03:28.880 Kind of didn't even kind of question whether or not it was even true.

00:03:31.200 But I like the person who called me very much.

00:03:33.740 And I thought maybe I was being a bit short there because I'm nine months pregnant.

00:03:36.940 And I was at the time, I think, five or six months pregnant.

00:03:39.460 And I tend to get short the more pregnant I become.

00:03:42.260 And so I called him back and I just said, can you explain to me what's really going on?

00:03:45.680 And that individual told me that.

00:03:48.940 It was presented to him as a condition of ending the Russian-Ukrainian war.

00:03:54.580 Like this was something that he brought up in the midst of these negotiations.

00:03:57.520 That's how it was presented to me from a third party person.

00:03:59.780 And then I was just completely floored.

00:04:03.740 And I just took a second to look to my husband.

00:04:07.660 And the first thing we said to one another is no one will ever believe us.

00:04:12.500 This is beyond the realm of things that could be plausible.

00:04:16.780 They're going to think I'm making this up and I'm lying.

00:04:18.700 And even when I did eventually tell the story months later, people were like this.

00:04:22.920 There's no way that this could have happened.

00:04:26.060 And until Trump didn't deny it.

00:04:29.440 And then, of course, Emmanuel Macron is now suing me.

00:04:31.880 And he included, as a part of a lawsuit, he referred to that phone call and how he believes

00:04:36.800 that presenting it as an element of the Ukraine-Russian war was wrong.

00:04:41.280 Like he was like, and so he's nitpicking there.

00:04:43.740 But so what is he suing you over?

00:04:46.500 What is the suit claim?

00:04:48.400 Well, it claims a lot.

00:04:49.100 It's 200 pages.

00:04:50.360 200 pages.

00:04:51.300 200 pages.

00:04:52.560 And what's really interesting is my series was based on a book.

00:04:55.300 I worked with Xavier Poussard, who is a journalist, a very credible journalist in France, who worked on the story for eight years.

00:05:02.080 And ended up having to move to Italy, move his family to Italy because of what Brigitte and her husband, you know, France is a whole different political system.

00:05:10.760 It certainly is.

00:05:11.220 And they can just bring charges against you.

00:05:13.560 It's an authoritarian country run completely by Macron.

00:05:16.160 And they pretend that's not true, but it is true.

00:05:18.000 It is 1000% true.

00:05:20.440 And so journalists that first got wise to the fact that Brigitte Macron kind of didn't exist for 30 years of her life were harassed by the government.

00:05:29.840 They filed charges against them for first and foremost, invasion of privacy.

00:05:33.860 So there was never a dispute when she was bringing these charges about.

00:05:35.980 She never brought a charge against people for saying that she was born a man.

00:05:39.600 And that's what should be made clear to everybody.

00:05:41.500 Like, that's not something that they ever say is not true when it comes down to the legality of it all, when they get into courtrooms.

00:05:48.680 But they first sued for invasion of privacy.

00:05:51.540 Then they sued for defamation regarding a statement, an error that the woman had made investigating when she said, in my opinion, you know, this document is fake.

00:06:01.260 But that document actually was real.

00:06:02.500 It was a birth certificate relating to somebody in the story.

00:06:05.320 And so it was remarkably petty.

00:06:07.060 And this is what they do.

00:06:08.060 They get very legalistic.

00:06:09.120 We'll keep you in the courtroom.

00:06:09.980 We'll harass you.

00:06:11.000 And for Xavier, things were happening where it was, they made, they wanted him to know that they were following him and that the Secret Service was keeping an eye on him.

00:06:18.480 They never actually brought a suit against him until recently, the same time as mine.

00:06:22.680 They're not suing him for defamation, even though he's the author of the book that I based my entire series on.

00:06:26.800 They are instead suing him for cyberbullying.

00:06:32.420 Cyberbullying?

00:06:32.940 A head of state?

00:06:34.100 Mm-hmm.

00:06:35.160 You can do that in Europe.

00:06:35.960 I should just say, because it's true, that the French intelligence services, everyone makes fun of France,

00:06:41.000 France is incompetent and weak.

00:06:42.400 But their intel services are not incompetent or weak.

00:06:44.920 And after probably CIA, Mossad, maybe the Russian intel services, like, they are feared.

00:06:51.200 And they should be feared.

00:06:52.320 They are feared.

00:06:53.060 They are feared.

00:06:53.760 They're very competent.

00:06:54.980 They're violent.

00:06:56.480 Documented.

00:06:56.880 They've killed people.

00:06:57.760 And they're nothing to play with, really.

00:06:59.660 Right.

00:06:59.940 That's why he picked up his family and he moved.

00:07:01.640 I get it.

00:07:02.040 And so it was this tremendous act of bravery that he did this, you know, putting not just his life on the line, but the life of his wife and his children, because the story here was so demented and so twisted.

00:07:11.880 And just also the broader consideration that you could have an entire state colluding to protect a secret of that magnitude.

00:07:19.660 And what's so compelling about this story, and I get into this in the first episode of Becoming Brigitte, is that by the time it made its way to the English-speaking world, people thought that this was like a, as always, far-right conspiracy dug up from the trenches of Reddit.

00:07:32.420 And that's not what happened at all.

00:07:34.320 You know, the story begins with Emmanuel Macron and his wife is actually the journalist, the left-leaning journalists, the Condé Nast journalists, who wanted to celebrate Brigitte, wanted to do documentaries on Brigitte.

00:07:44.880 This wonderful woman is now empowered.

00:07:49.180 And what is she going to do?

00:07:50.800 And they were kind of getting threatened.

00:07:52.260 They were told to come to the Élisee Palace.

00:07:54.080 And there was only one person that they could talk to.

00:07:56.060 They couldn't find or verify anything about Brigitte's history or Brigitte's past.

00:07:59.620 And they sort of fell down the hole and were like, I don't know why I suddenly feel like I've done something wrong for asking basic questions about the First Lady of France.

00:08:08.660 And so that's kind of where the series begins.

00:08:10.780 And it kind of takes you through what they went through and what many people have gone through since just trying to learn anything about the First Lady.

00:08:17.000 So to be clear, it's an amazing story for so many reasons, but for the one that you just described, that this was actually well-known in France.

00:08:26.600 It all took place in public, but I don't think one in a million Americans had any idea at all until your series came out.

00:08:33.560 And the initial reaction to your series was, well, now we know Candace is insane.

00:08:37.960 Like, you're really going off the deep end.

00:08:40.460 The wife's a man?

00:08:41.580 Come on now.

00:08:42.020 And then as the series progressed and became one of the biggest podcast series in the country and sort of sober people were saying, actually, you should listen to this.

00:08:50.760 This is pretty, this is pretty wild, pretty compelling.

00:08:54.340 But I just want to get to the lawsuit.

00:08:56.280 So, like, they're suing, they're not, they're suing you for defamation.

00:09:00.380 For things that I never said, which is, they know that this lawsuit, this is why I called it a PR strategy.

00:09:08.020 This lawsuit was filed for the press, right?

00:09:10.780 Because she just lost her defamation case against two journalists in France.

00:09:14.040 And now everyone was reporting, wait, you said that this was the big case that proved or you presented it as if you were suing them on this claim of you being a man or a woman.

00:09:22.240 And now you've lost that in France.

00:09:23.980 This is your home territory.

00:09:25.120 What's going on?

00:09:25.940 And so I think she called the lawyers and were like, just, just file a lawsuit because it's very sloppy.

00:09:31.360 The points run into one another.

00:09:33.020 Like, first they argue that I'm doing it for money.

00:09:35.260 Then they make the argument that I was fired for talking, speaking about it.

00:09:38.120 So that doesn't make any sense.

00:09:39.020 It can't be both.

00:09:40.380 And it's a bunch of stuff that I didn't say.

00:09:42.360 They're, they're behaving like mainstream journalists where they'll take a couple of words that I said, like gangster, criminal and gangster, but then they add their own sentence to it.

00:09:51.360 And they're like, she accused her of being a criminal and a gangster.

00:09:54.140 So it's very sloppy.

00:09:55.120 And what they're doing is they, they're just biding their time.

00:09:59.100 They don't want the world to look, which this was a very bad mistake, a very bad way to go about it.

00:10:03.860 But they want the world to believe that she has a claim against me, that what we're suing, therefore, you know, because this podcaster lied.

00:10:11.940 But it's way too late.

00:10:13.000 I mean, it truly, it's, it's, everyone is aware of what's happened.

00:10:17.360 This only made the series go viral.

00:10:19.200 Now it's going viral in Asia.

00:10:20.400 You know, I'm getting all of these emails from people in China saying this series is going viral.

00:10:25.960 They're not even on YouTube.

00:10:27.000 So I don't know how they're watching it in China.

00:10:28.760 But it was a mistake because obviously now people are going, okay, something must be true.

00:10:34.500 You know, a president of a foreign country does not sue a mom that does her podcast in her basement because she spoke something that was not true.

00:10:44.680 Like there's clearly something that they want hidden.

00:10:46.500 And so everyone's taking a closer look at the series.

00:10:48.620 Yeah, that's not the way to hide things.

00:10:50.260 Right.

00:10:50.400 The way to hide things is say, poor Candace, nice woman, obviously mentally ill.

00:10:54.480 You know, come on now.

00:10:55.960 That's, that's the way to do it.

00:10:57.400 And sophisticated liars do that.

00:11:00.700 Right.

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00:11:05.820 Right.

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00:11:06.620 I mean, that's my read.

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00:14:39.320 We'll sue you for cyberbullying.

00:14:41.100 There is something-

00:14:42.600 Cyberbullying.

00:14:43.200 Cyberbullying.

00:14:43.600 Cyberbullying, whatever the claims are here.

00:14:45.740 But there is something about it where once you really arrive at a truth, what I find the reaction is for the people that are incensed by the fact that you're presenting that truth is I'll impoverish you.

00:14:57.620 Yeah.

00:14:58.020 And I've seen this over and over again.

00:14:59.360 It's like, okay, she told the truth, but our response to that is going to be demands that she get fired, right?

00:15:05.360 She should lose her livelihood for speaking the truth.

00:15:08.920 She should lose, and that's why Jake Tapper, I don't know if you've seen it, you probably haven't because it's Jake Tapper, but he sits down with Tom Clare, who was a lawyer on this case.

00:15:18.120 And Jake Tapper is doing the absolute most to make this just the easiest interview for Tom Clare.

00:15:23.380 He's sitting across from him, and he's like, she's deranged, and she's crazy, and she's a conspiracy theorist, so much so-

00:15:30.180 Jake Tapper said that.

00:15:30.860 Jake Tapper, but so much so that people in the comments were like, now I want to watch a series.

00:15:33.740 His own viewers thought this was just so over the top.

00:15:36.040 But then he turns to Tom Clare, and he asks him like a basic question.

00:15:38.240 He's like, you know, what evidence did you present to her that Brigitte's a man?

00:15:41.100 And Tom Clare can't answer the question.

00:15:42.880 He's like, we, you know, we, there was, you can read the claims, it's extensive, and, you know, we told her that she was a woman.

00:15:50.420 They never presented any evidence.

00:15:51.660 We went to them before we published the series.

00:15:54.580 We were in touch with Tom Clare of Clare and Locke.

00:15:57.640 We sent them a list of questions.

00:15:58.980 We said, look, we won't even do this series if you answer these basic circle yes or no questions.

00:16:04.280 Was Brigitte McCrone, the first lady, born a woman?

00:16:08.820 I mean, that basic of questions.

00:16:10.800 Did she ever live as a person named Veronique before the transition temporarily, Brigitte lived as a person named Veronique?

00:16:18.040 They refused to answer these yes or no questions.

00:16:20.060 Obviously, if you're going to prove actual malice, you have to, you have to present to the court, which is, it's obviously a very high bar that's been set, which I don't necessarily even agree with that bar, by the way, New York Times versus Sullivan set.

00:16:30.200 But obviously, you have to prove that I acted.

00:16:33.120 I knew the truth, and I acted.

00:16:34.580 That's exactly right.

00:16:35.580 I was desperate to get to the truth and said I would stop doing this series.

00:16:39.460 We also offered for me to get on a plane and fly to France to interview, to get Brigitte's side of this.

00:16:45.580 You know, I want to make sure I'm not colored by having read Becoming Brigitte and reading the series.

00:16:51.120 There could be another side.

00:16:52.840 And it was essentially a big F you and said, Tom Clare comes back.

00:16:58.100 She doesn't have to answer your question.

00:17:00.280 She doesn't have to prove to you.

00:17:02.220 So they retained Tom Clare and Libby Locke then, or Tom Clare.

00:17:05.580 So Tom Clare and Libby Locke are married, second marriage for him, but I know them.

00:17:12.440 And they have a law firm, I believe, in suburban D.C. and Virginia, and that specializes in making people shut up through intimidation.

00:17:21.140 They tried it with me.

00:17:22.900 And in a really brutal, cruel way, I would say, to try and just scare you into shutting up.

00:17:28.340 So that itself, I don't think anyone regards Tom Clare as a good lawyer at all.

00:17:33.100 But certainly, you know, his behavior is designed to intimidate you.

00:17:37.060 So the fact that they hired them at the outset, that's the behavior of someone who just like wants to scare you into shutting up.

00:17:43.420 And the timing of when they first sent us a letter was actually December of last year.

00:17:49.140 Sorry, the end of November of last year.

00:17:51.080 We missed the letter because they sent it to an inbox that we would have never been checking.

00:17:54.820 It was a very weird inbox, like where you would go to return a t-shirt.

00:17:58.320 And because we missed that, and I'm glad I missed it because I probably would have been scared.

00:18:03.420 I think they knew because that was right when I began speaking with Xavier Poussard.

00:18:07.820 And I was in London at the time, and I had agreed to interview him, but nobody knew I was going to do this interview.

00:18:13.640 So what made them suddenly send this intimidating letter?

00:18:18.220 And Tom Clare sent it?

00:18:19.400 Tom Clare sent it.

00:18:20.440 They'd already retained him.

00:18:21.660 They had retained him, and he sent a letter.

00:18:22.920 And I think that they were monitoring Xavier Poussard.

00:18:26.380 I think they were monitoring either his communications or monitoring him.

00:18:28.500 Well, how else would they have known?

00:18:29.480 That he was flying to London to sit down and do an interview with me.

00:18:32.720 And they sent it just a week before I sat down with him.

00:18:35.680 Well, keep in mind, the subject of your story controls some of the most competent intel services in the world.

00:18:40.940 Correct.

00:18:41.380 As a head of state, there are no rules at all, which is enough to make you a little uncomfortable if you think about it.

00:18:47.880 Yeah.

00:18:48.180 And the fact that they would hire those two lawyers, by the way, his wife, Libby Locke, is Bill Ackman's lawyer, who Ackman uses to make people shut up.

00:18:57.740 Interesting.

00:18:58.360 By sending hysterical letters, screechy letters, threatening to destroy you if you keep talking about the client.

00:19:04.340 I mean, it's really thuggish.

00:19:08.680 Let's just go through, but can we just go through, like, chronologically, how this unfolded?

00:19:14.220 So, at the core of the story is the allegation that Brigitte Macron is not who she says she is, and that would include her sex, is not what she says it is.

00:19:23.000 Correct.

00:19:23.280 That she was born a man named Jean-Michel Trogneau.

00:19:26.440 And I'm aware, if you have not watched the series, that sounds crazy, because that was me when I first saw the headline.

00:19:31.040 Yes.

00:19:31.340 No, no.

00:19:31.720 I was alerted to it by the Daily Mail.

00:19:34.020 I thought it was such a crazy, insane headline, but the Daily Mail had published an article saying that, with a video of Emmanuel Macron denying claims his wife was a man.

00:19:42.180 And I just thought, that's really funny.

00:19:43.480 Like, what could possibly be going on in France that the president has to deny a claim that his wife's a man?

00:19:47.600 But something that caught my eye was just, as I was reading this article, they made no effort to debunk it.

00:19:52.600 Like, it was sort of like, it was that typical CNN, New York Times type, so crazy.

00:19:57.720 It's like, okay, but if it's so crazy, just, you know, post some photos of her.

00:20:00.740 Obviously, she's got three kids.

00:20:02.140 It's got to be tons of photos of her raising her children.

00:20:04.440 It was nothing.

00:20:05.220 They had one solitary photo.

00:20:06.660 And when you look at the photo, it was very obvious, and this is before I got into the details, that she looks a lot more like the little boy that's on the left than she does who they were trying to purport was the little girl that was sitting on the family member's lap.

00:20:18.580 And so I got into it kind of very organically.

00:20:21.760 I was like, this is weird.

00:20:22.520 Like, what's going on in France that the president has to make a comment on the situation?

00:20:25.980 And then I found a website where it explained it, and I instantly realized there is something here.

00:20:32.440 Like, you just, you don't have any photos of yourself for 30 years of your life.

00:20:37.260 And the two photos that you've given have been given to the public from a woman who has quite literally been charged with forging documents.

00:20:46.420 I mean, she's a thug.

00:20:47.180 Like, I mean, Mimi Marchand, they had to eventually get rid of her.

00:20:49.860 Forging documents, thuggery, things of that nature, of a criminal nature.

00:20:53.800 She's the only one.

00:20:54.760 Everyone's going to go through her to get any information about your past.

00:20:58.140 This is so strange.

00:20:59.020 I mean, it's so kooky that you wouldn't just, the defense to this is just, hey, could you show us any pictures of your living for these 30 years?

00:21:08.380 You know, you had allegedly three children.

00:21:10.920 Did you guys take any photos while you were raising them?

00:21:13.420 Maybe when you were in the hospital?

00:21:14.440 No, no, no, no, Tucker.

00:21:16.100 Are they, there's, there's nothing there.

00:21:18.220 So it's an, it's an amazing allegation, a stunning allegation, a bewildering allegation.

00:21:24.040 But I think the legal and the moral question is, did you give an opportunity, did you give the prime minister and his wife an opportunity, the Macron's, the opportunity to respond to the allegation before the series ran?

00:21:38.980 So that's my question.

00:21:40.100 Weeks to respond.

00:21:40.500 In what way did you do that?

00:21:41.940 Did you call them?

00:21:42.840 Did you?

00:21:43.500 Via Tom Clare.

00:21:44.220 It was their lawyer.

00:21:45.020 So it was, it actually, they kind of made a mistake.

00:21:47.260 They messaged us first to kind of intimidate us and say, you know, I don't, you're working on this thing or you're talking, you know.

00:21:54.840 Did they say how they knew you were working on it?

00:21:56.300 I don't, I am not clear because what was interesting is they, in that first letter, they included claims of what I said while I was working at the Daily Wire.

00:22:03.840 That was the previous March.

00:22:05.520 So you're responding to something that I said in March.

00:22:08.640 We're now in December.

00:22:10.160 So what triggered you?

00:22:11.840 Like, clearly it had to have been that I had just interviewed Xavier Poussard and they were aware of it.

00:22:15.680 So then they said, okay, send her out a letter to intimidate her.

00:22:18.000 And obviously getting a letter for most people, you get a letter from a sitting president of France, you're going to go, okay, well, I'm just going to be quiet and not say anything more because I don't want to get involved in this.

00:22:26.740 But for me, it just made me even more curious.

00:22:29.860 And so to be sure, I said, well, I'm glad we have a lot of communication established because I'm certainly not interested in defaming you.

00:22:34.660 I'm not interested in lying.

00:22:36.000 Obviously, I would do myself a disservice if all of this was complete crap.

00:22:39.600 And it turned out that I had been peddling it.

00:22:41.780 So here are my questions.

00:22:43.160 Very simple.

00:22:43.940 Yes or no questions.

00:22:45.760 Did you ever live as Veronique?

00:22:47.800 Who is Jean-Michel Trucq?

00:22:49.320 No.

00:22:50.020 Refused to answer.

00:22:50.860 They just instantly got.

00:22:52.100 So you presented the allegations to them, which they, of course, were aware of, that people had made, others, not you, that she's not really who she says she is.

00:23:01.240 And you said, can you explain?

00:23:02.620 Yeah.

00:23:02.980 And honestly, it didn't require much of an explanation.

00:23:05.500 We also asked, can you give us any photos of you living through this 30-year period?

00:23:10.480 I mean, pretty easy stuff.

00:23:11.960 If you're actually concerned and you're going to pretend you're so traumatized and defamed because of this story, I would have been like, yeah, of course, here I am.

00:23:17.860 Here's me in middle school.

00:23:19.120 Here's me on a cheerleading team.

00:23:20.680 Here's me the first day I held my first son.

00:23:22.740 Here's me, it's such an easy thing to debunk that it requires the suspension of common sense to believe that this is a conspiracy theory.

00:23:31.480 Because it's just, it's so easy to debunk and yet they refuse to do it.

00:23:35.240 And they're being extremely petty and going after every single person that speaks about it.

00:23:38.680 Have they ever provided that evidence to anybody?

00:23:42.200 No, that's the point.

00:23:43.360 They haven't.

00:23:43.820 To this day.

00:23:44.280 They would have never had to sue anybody because everyone would have then laughed at them.

00:23:47.400 Like if someone was working on a story saying that I lived as a man for 30 years, I don't need to lawyer up.

00:23:52.140 I want you to publish that story so that I can then come out and say, this person is a psychopath.

00:23:58.040 Clearly, here is the trove of me growing up with my sisters.

00:24:02.080 Here's my middle school yearbook.

00:24:03.420 To the contrary, even when Xavier Poussard, because he has been working on this for 10 years and therefore filing paperwork with the government to get pictures.

00:24:11.320 Jean-Michel Trogno has a military file.

00:24:14.280 He also filed to get Brigitte's school yearbook where she allegedly has a picture.

00:24:20.720 And he won that case and then took it to Sac-Cour-Croix, which is Sacred Heart.

00:24:24.920 And they said, we're not releasing it.

00:24:26.900 I don't care if you won the case.

00:24:28.100 We're refusing to release this to you.

00:24:31.000 So in every regard, something that would be able to dispel this rumor, even her children, where are your kids in this?

00:24:37.300 If that's my mom and she's so attacked and it's so horrifying that she's got to put, you know, my dad, stepdad on a plane to go speak to the President of the United States way before then, I would have released pictures of me and my mom.

00:24:49.280 Her kids are all adults.

00:24:50.260 I would have said, here's me and my mom growing up on my first birthday, my second birthday.

00:24:54.060 Please, everyone, leave her alone.

00:24:55.500 They won't do it.

00:24:56.300 It's, it's just, it's bonkers to think.

00:24:58.660 Have the kids spoken in public?

00:25:00.100 Only one child has ever spoken and called the rumors crazy and upsetting.

00:25:04.240 And that's her youngest daughter, Tafan.

00:25:06.540 And I have a theory about why, why that is.

00:25:09.180 But again, there's no evidence.

00:25:10.960 It's just supplied.

00:25:11.900 Tafan won't go under oath.

00:25:13.120 Tafan won't speak.

00:25:14.000 Tafan won't say, oh no, this is, she just says it's very hurtful and it's not true.

00:25:18.620 And okay, Tafan, well, you have the power to dispel this by just releasing some photos of you growing up.

00:25:24.200 You're a 40-year-old lawyer.

00:25:26.800 It's pretty simple.

00:25:27.700 It'll release some photos of you as a kid with your mom and they won't do it.

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00:28:31.780 So it sounds like, from what you've said, you don't believe this case was even designed to go forward.

00:28:40.060 No.

00:28:40.420 They're not planning on a courtroom showdown here.

00:28:42.500 And there's no way.

00:28:43.360 By the way, I engaged with Libby Locke and Tom Clare a long time ago about defamation, and they told me not to go after it because the bar was so high.

00:28:50.160 And I had a very clear case where someone told a blatant lie about me, which we happily countered right away.

00:28:56.860 So you've dealt with them before.

00:28:58.040 Yeah.

00:28:58.460 Oh, I have emails from—this is the funny part.

00:29:00.700 I have emails from them.

00:29:01.940 I love you, adore you, watch your show.

00:29:04.380 They're totally soulless, both of them.

00:29:05.740 Yeah, clearly.

00:29:06.840 Yes.

00:29:07.460 The motive here is money, which is fine if that's what you want your legacy to be, because at the core of this case, which most people should be speaking about, is their defense here is,

00:29:17.060 I am admitting, which they've never done before, and they are admitting that Emmanuel Macron was only 14 when they met, when he was in that play, 15, she says, whenever this affair happened.

00:29:28.600 And in my suit, they admit that Emmanuel Macron's parents took him away from the school because of this relationship.

00:29:36.360 Do you understand how the audacity of, I'm a creep, I macked on a student at best, and I have the audacity to file this lawsuit?

00:29:44.580 I mean, what is going on in France that you would so willfully put that in a lawsuit, which, by the way, debunks their earlier claims when he was first running, the press said he was 17.

00:29:54.180 Then, when Xavier Poussard proved that that wasn't true, then suddenly they were saying he was 16.

00:29:58.900 Now we've got them writing that he was 15.

00:30:01.120 But the truth is, is that Emmanuel Macron was 14, and they can't go back on that truth because she has—

00:30:07.640 Wait, isn't that child molestation?

00:30:09.120 There we go.

00:30:10.140 That's another big thing happening here.

00:30:11.540 She's desperate now to keep it at 15.

00:30:13.600 Brigitte wants to keep it at 15.

00:30:14.580 No, he was 14 when he was in that play that she says that she watched him in.

00:30:18.860 As you know, 14-year-old boys, I guess as a 40-year-old woman, you would just be so swept away by a 14-year-old child on stage.

00:30:27.040 He was in this play—I'm forgetting the name of it.

00:30:29.840 It's a French name, Mila Kundera's play.

00:30:32.100 And that's when she alleges that she saw him, and he just was ahead of his time, a savant, so brilliant in his demonstration, his ability to act.

00:30:41.000 That, and—

00:30:42.720 He's a little kid.

00:30:44.080 He's a child.

00:30:44.980 He's a child.

00:30:45.720 And this is a very creepy, sadistic story.

00:30:49.600 And the more that you learn how much the press lied about that earlier story, I mean, even the press in the beginning, when he was running, even said that Brigitte Macron was this, like, irresistibly hot teacher.

00:30:59.440 Like, they kept comparing her to Claudia Schiffer, and then when Xavier and these journalists got documents and, like, you know, pictorial evidence of what Brigitte looked like at that time, she looked like a man in the middle of a transition, you know?

00:31:12.780 And so, even that, I mean, the way the press lied to sell this creepy relationship is something that should concern everyone.

00:31:20.640 Whether you believe she's a man or not, what you have is a couple that is willfully getting away with, at best, like, molestation, sexual perversion, deviance.

00:31:30.780 He runs the country.

00:31:31.700 And he runs the country.

00:31:32.240 This is not some random guy.

00:31:33.920 Mm-hmm.

00:31:34.560 Oh, that's...

00:31:35.540 Yeah.

00:31:36.620 And that's not in dispute.

00:31:39.080 No, that's not.

00:31:39.900 It was in dispute because they tried to, at first, say that he was 17.

00:31:42.980 Now she's saying 15.

00:31:44.040 The truth is, Emmanuel Macron was 14.

00:31:46.460 I'll just go with 15 and say that's wrong.

00:31:48.400 Yeah, right?

00:31:49.080 Do we even need to...

00:31:50.320 Well, I mean, 15.

00:31:52.360 I mean, that's a whole different thing.

00:31:53.820 And that was the comments under Jake Tapper's interview with Tom Clare.

00:32:00.080 People, and this is the left, this is his show, were outraged.

00:32:02.680 They were going, how could you defend this?

00:32:05.060 I asked the question to Tom Clare on my show as I unpacked all of the child molestation that surrounds them.

00:32:11.800 It's an entire orbit of people who have been found guilty and have openly admitted to molesting their children.

00:32:16.040 These are their friends, okay?

00:32:17.380 That's why she's angry because I'm like, and it's not just them.

00:32:20.320 It's this guy, this guy, this guy.

00:32:22.260 He funded the campaign, then had to come out and say, yes, I molested my stepson.

00:32:26.540 And the stepdaughter wrote a book about it.

00:32:28.820 A person admitted to that.

00:32:30.700 And these are friends of the Macron's?

00:32:32.280 Yeah, their current lawyer, okay, who was the finance minister.

00:32:36.940 Brigitte handpicked him to be the finance minister of France.

00:32:39.380 His name is Eric Dupont Moretti.

00:32:41.420 This was my episode two days ago.

00:32:43.060 Of course, because everyone in their orbit just, I don't know, has an interesting pedophilia story.

00:32:47.420 Do you have any friends who are pedophiles?

00:32:49.000 None.

00:32:49.480 They just can't stop finding friends that are somehow involved in these crazy pedophilia scandals.

00:32:55.400 And Eric Dupont Moretti made a name for himself as the lawyer that comes in on behalf of the offending.

00:33:02.060 In this case, it's almost always incest, by the way, in all the cases that he involves himself in.

00:33:05.880 And he convinces the court, as he did in one certain case called the Maniché Affair, that, okay, yeah, it is incest.

00:33:12.920 Yeah, he's been raping his daughter.

00:33:15.300 But, and this is what he's famous for, it's happy incest.

00:33:19.360 And he sold to a court and got this guy's sentence reduced.

00:33:22.040 He had been raping two of his daughters.

00:33:23.540 Come on.

00:33:23.760 I'm not kidding.

00:33:24.440 You can look this up on Wikipedia, no less.

00:33:26.740 And he sold this to the court, coined the phrase, along with another person who, another lawyer who Emmanuel awarded the Medal of Freedom to.

00:33:34.500 And they said to the court in Amiens, which is where Brigitte and Emmanuel are both born, that you should release this guy because he loves his daughter.

00:33:41.720 And now she's 21.

00:33:42.920 And so it doesn't really matter.

00:33:43.800 And honestly, it's the mom's fault.

00:33:45.280 They encouraged them to all sleep together.

00:33:47.500 And so they did.

00:33:48.620 They released him early.

00:33:49.840 And then his daughter tried to escape him.

00:33:52.200 And he killed her.

00:33:53.760 So this is who everyone, this is the guy who's on the news channels right now saying, we're going to go after Candace Owens because this is a state affair.

00:34:00.860 And he's got this whole glorious story about how I'm being funded by Russia.

00:34:03.720 Because it's always Russia, as we all know.

00:34:05.180 It's got to be Russia.

00:34:06.000 Funded by Russia?

00:34:06.960 His theory was so.

00:34:08.220 This feels like the kind of end stage of something.

00:34:11.500 Yep.

00:34:11.820 I hate the phrase global elite because it sounds so spooky or whatever, but that's what it is.

00:34:17.600 The depraved.

00:34:18.360 I don't even call them the elite.

00:34:19.580 They're the depraved.

00:34:20.320 And they've just been running the game for so long that they're not even getting creative anymore.

00:34:23.800 But there's always a part of town with depraved people.

00:34:26.100 Like, you know, every society has the depraved, the depraved community.

00:34:29.620 But has there been since Rome really a whole class of depraved people with this much power?

00:34:36.640 That's what gets me.

00:34:38.140 I think so.

00:34:38.400 Yeah, the more that I study and the more that I take a look at this picture, because

00:34:42.220 at first, you know, you go through this period where you're going, am I crazy?

00:34:46.780 Or are they all defending like children being raped?

00:34:49.380 Like this can't be, this can't be right.

00:34:51.440 Like somebody's going to stand up and say something.

00:34:53.680 And the only thing that you can do in those moments where you're questioning whether or not

00:34:58.380 this could be the circumstance is to educate yourself further.

00:35:01.260 And I find that whatever area they have sort of an inordinate response to where they're

00:35:08.680 like getting very angry about something that seems so simple is probably where you should

00:35:12.060 press your thumb the hardest.

00:35:13.260 And I did this with like Sigmund Freud.

00:35:14.560 I kind of said something on my show about how like Sigmund Freud was like a pervert and

00:35:18.300 getting into children and incest, his whole theory, blaming the children for their parents

00:35:23.180 being incestuous and the reaction across the press.

00:35:27.720 Like, how dare she?

00:35:28.580 I'm like, he's dead.

00:35:29.620 Why are you defending this guy?

00:35:32.040 Not American.

00:35:32.680 He did present a theory that these children who were being raped by, you know, by their

00:35:37.240 fathers were actually attracted to them.

00:35:40.360 Why are you defending this?

00:35:41.400 And then I got educated about it and started reading books and stunned.

00:35:45.540 Like, yes, this is, this is actually something that he was doing.

00:35:48.760 And I learned this from the person who controlled the Sigmund Freud archives who wrote this amazing

00:35:53.240 book called The Assault on Truth.

00:35:54.880 But there is this common thread that it brings you back to Paris every time.

00:35:59.620 Whether you're talking about Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, talking about Emmanuel Macron and

00:36:03.160 Brigitte, talking about Sigmund Freud, he studied and then came up with this theory

00:36:07.140 while he was studying under Charcot in Paris, that actually, even though we see all this

00:36:11.960 evidence that these kids are being raped, it is their fault because they're attracted to

00:36:15.120 their fathers.

00:36:16.380 And for this guy who rang the alarm on this, like years later, he was working with Anna

00:36:19.720 Freud and he was in control of the archives.

00:36:21.740 His name is Geoffrey Masson.

00:36:23.360 He got kicked out of the archives for telling the truth.

00:36:26.040 Very, very famous case.

00:36:27.340 Oh, yeah.

00:36:27.720 He got kicked out.

00:36:29.460 And, but he wrote the book still because he still had the letters.

00:36:32.020 He published the letters to prove that Sigmund Freud knew for a fact these kids were being

00:36:35.020 raped.

00:36:36.140 And so what did-

00:36:37.320 Boy, was he attacked for that too.

00:36:39.200 But here's what's interesting about that.

00:36:40.820 He publishes that book, The Assault on Truth, and Anna allowed him to because she could have

00:36:46.140 stopped the book and Anna Freud chose not to stop the book.

00:36:48.200 I think she wanted The Secret to be out, but you go through these stories and over and

00:36:53.500 over again, you get this theme of this very dark theme of children that are being raped,

00:36:57.820 right?

00:36:58.000 And it's incestuous.

00:36:59.000 Like I said, while they're talking about Jeffrey Epstein, like, why do we keep coming

00:37:02.040 back to this theme?

00:37:02.900 And why does it seem that the media is colluding to cover that up?

00:37:06.300 Like, I thought no matter where we were on the spectrum, left or right, like when it

00:37:09.460 came to children, whether it's murder, rape, like we all were on the same page that like

00:37:13.320 we have to defend innocent lives.

00:37:15.000 And so then you have to press further and go, what is the theology here?

00:37:19.060 Because everything, as my husband has taught me, is a theology.

00:37:21.520 They're being guided by a theology.

00:37:24.100 And while the rest of the world is being driven towards either being agnostic or being outwardly

00:37:30.220 atheistic, I think the people that are in control are being pulled by-

00:37:35.940 Oh, they're not atheists.

00:37:36.880 They're not atheists at all.

00:37:37.820 Oh, I couldn't agree more.

00:37:38.920 It's interesting.

00:37:39.420 One of my children, one of my smarter children said to me today, actually, said, child molestation

00:37:45.440 is the only crime with no justification.

00:37:50.020 And I'd never thought of it that way.

00:37:51.800 And it's like murder, of course, you know, murder is wrong.

00:37:54.180 Of course, there's plenty of circumstances where I can imagine committing murder and going

00:37:58.440 to hell for it.

00:37:59.040 But I mean, I can imagine, you know, getting so mad that I shoot somebody or, you know what

00:38:03.000 I mean, stealing, lying, but it's not possible to imagine a justification for molesting a

00:38:11.680 child, for being sexual with a child.

00:38:13.400 And it's also not possible to imagine for all the sins that I can imagine committing

00:38:17.560 in a certain circumstance.

00:38:18.680 Like, that's just, I can't even get my head around it.

00:38:21.740 That's just not appealing in any way.

00:38:23.480 Like, you'd never even think of wanting to do that.

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00:40:52.520 It is spiritual for them.

00:40:53.480 And that's why studying Sigmund Freud and I realized why they were so triggered when

00:40:56.920 I kind of, I'm always a person like accidentally lands on something and then there's just like

00:41:00.560 this reaction and like, you can't do that.

00:41:02.780 And then I go, okay, well, I better learn about that because there's something you don't

00:41:05.300 want me to know.

00:41:05.900 And so now I'm curious.

00:41:06.960 If they would just leave me alone, I promised I wouldn't even have come down this path.

00:41:11.160 But what you learn about Sigmund Freud is that what he actually mainstreamed.

00:41:15.520 I mean, the psychoanalytic movement was quite literally a movement to mainstream gaslighting.

00:41:21.760 And this is no question.

00:41:22.840 Like I said, you can read Sigmund Freud's archives.

00:41:25.440 This guy was not a guy theorizing that this is what was going on.

00:41:28.320 He had access, learned German, read the archives, alerted Anna Freud and was like, hey, did

00:41:33.060 you know your dad knew that these kids were being raped and yet he lied to the public?

00:41:36.300 And she's like, yeah, I think, you know, we maybe don't publish that.

00:41:39.820 But then she let him publish it.

00:41:41.480 And I think that was a cry for help.

00:41:42.700 But that's my theory.

00:41:44.020 Anyways, the second book to read was once you get to that and you go, what is this guiding

00:41:47.440 theology?

00:41:48.240 Why did Sigmund Freud at first acknowledge as he did openly that all of these kids were

00:41:53.020 being raped because he was at the morgue.

00:41:54.400 Some of these kids were dying because of their injuries.

00:41:56.500 And he was at the Morgan Paris.

00:41:58.740 He saw this up front.

00:41:59.740 There was no dispute.

00:42:00.920 The literature has been published.

00:42:02.820 He's studying under Charcot.

00:42:04.320 And then he does this pivot suddenly when he turns 35.

00:42:06.880 And he says, never mind.

00:42:07.640 These kids are not these kids are not being abused.

00:42:10.020 They're they're attracted to their fathers.

00:42:12.440 They're the sexual provocateurs.

00:42:14.360 David Bacan published a book and he relates it to and he makes a very sound argument and then

00:42:20.820 proves his theory that it's the it's called Sigmund Freud and the Jewish mystical

00:42:24.980 tradition and he relates to he relates to the Kabbalah, the sort of Gnostic idea that you

00:42:30.140 have to descend into hell and then you'll be brought up.

00:42:32.580 And like the worst thing that you could possibly do, the worst sin, they believe in this idea

00:42:37.400 of holy sin is to harm a child.

00:42:40.580 Now, again, these people that I'm citing just because I know that you start to talk about

00:42:44.560 Sigmund Freud and anti-Semitism, these people who wrote these books are both Jewish.

00:42:50.000 Jeffrey Mason is Jewish.

00:42:51.080 He's an Ashkenazi Jew.

00:42:52.240 David Bacan is an Ashkenazi Jew.

00:42:53.660 These people are professors and, you know, they have their credentials here to make these

00:42:58.300 conclusions.

00:42:59.020 And what he theorizes in this book is that Sigmund Freud was mainstreaming the Kabbalah

00:43:05.100 through cycle cycle analytics.

00:43:06.980 And the reason why he waited until he was 35, as he explains, is that in the Kabbalah

00:43:13.120 tradition, they don't they think it's so powerful, whatever the Kabbalah is.

00:43:17.420 And I'm not educated on the Kabbalah.

00:43:18.620 I will admit that.

00:43:19.540 But whatever it is, they don't tell their kids about it until they turn 35.

00:43:24.540 And when Sigmund Freud was 35, he received a Hebrew Bible from his father.

00:43:28.620 And it's like, I guess they believe in numerology, whatever it is.

00:43:31.120 And he was suddenly awakened to whatever aspect of the Kabbalah that it was.

00:43:35.180 Because after David Bacan published the book, a rabbi came to him.

00:43:39.540 He got in touch with the rabbi and spoke to this rabbi who told him that, yes, Sigmund

00:43:44.160 Freud was a Kabbalist because he knew him personally.

00:43:47.920 And he had a Zohar in his apartment or in his place.

00:43:51.400 And he then verified that his theory, reading through his papers, was correct and that he

00:43:56.000 was a Kabbalist.

00:43:57.420 And so I think it's important for people, as I started a book club, to read these books.

00:44:01.560 Like, don't take it from me.

00:44:02.360 And I always say, yeah, we need to stop falling for this credentialism.

00:44:06.320 You shouldn't listen to me because I'm Candace Soares.

00:44:07.920 I have a podcast.

00:44:08.640 I want you to read these same books and to recognize that something very wrong is happening

00:44:12.940 in this world.

00:44:13.840 And when we point to these facts, we're all being gaslit.

00:44:16.900 Like, we're suddenly being told that having a response, that's just one example to right

00:44:20.080 now, to like kids dying in Gaza makes us monsters.

00:44:23.760 Well, Sigmund Freud is the person that introduced the idea of sort of this, that gaslighting could

00:44:27.740 be an effective strategy.

00:44:28.900 And gaslighting, as I understand it, is the process of inverting blame.

00:44:33.980 So I punch you in the face and attack you for assaulting me.

00:44:38.820 How dare you hit me?

00:44:40.240 Right.

00:44:40.660 So.

00:44:41.980 And it feels like we're constantly being gaslit.

00:44:44.880 Well, it does.

00:44:45.460 It does feel like there's an awful lot of blame shifting.

00:44:48.180 I see it in a very different context, but it's on economics.

00:44:50.860 It's like, you know, the working class of the United States has been like completely

00:44:56.760 under assault.

00:44:57.400 It's not accidental.

00:44:58.740 They were kind of targeted for extinction and treated with maximum contempt.

00:45:03.580 And then they're like blamed for their medieval attitudes.

00:45:06.620 They're all racist or whatever.

00:45:07.760 It's like, no, actually, I think they're the ones who aren't winning.

00:45:11.700 They seem to be losing out in a deal that is making a lot of other people rich.

00:45:15.820 Why are we attacking them?

00:45:17.380 Well, then you get called a racist, right?

00:45:19.000 You get called a racist for noticing that.

00:45:21.420 And these people who are like, I just want to be able to feed my families and go to work

00:45:24.440 and feel good about that.

00:45:25.340 Yeah, it has nothing to do with race.

00:45:26.460 Like, how did race become part of this?

00:45:28.260 It's like, what?

00:45:29.260 But that's an element of that.

00:45:30.380 And one of the things to recognize about Freud is that, so the Freud family creates a psychoanalytic

00:45:34.520 movement, Sigmund Freud does, and they're gaslighting people.

00:45:37.920 But then that turns into modern propaganda because it's the Freud-Bernese family.

00:45:42.340 It's the same family.

00:45:43.680 Edward Bernese is the person that created propaganda during World War II.

00:45:48.540 The OSS, like, they were using him to figure out how can we mainstream, like, how can we

00:45:53.480 convince an entire population to want to go to war, you know, to hate Germans.

00:45:57.780 This is the guy that they brought in.

00:45:59.080 So it's the same, the psychoanalytic movement then turns into propaganda with Edward Bernese

00:46:05.240 and then turns into PR.

00:46:06.740 Like, the biggest PR person in the world right now is still the Freud family.

00:46:11.120 The Freud family are the PR for the royals.

00:46:13.380 His name is Matthew Freud.

00:46:14.280 So you can draw a direct line in understanding that these things-

00:46:18.320 I think Matthew Freud was married to Rupert Murdoch's daughter.

00:46:20.600 That is true.

00:46:21.460 That is correct.

00:46:22.500 Mm-hmm.

00:46:23.340 And so it's very interesting to-

00:46:25.480 Just noting.

00:46:26.680 Yeah.

00:46:26.960 And it's important for people to recognize this, though.

00:46:29.740 These people have had a tremendous head start, okay?

00:46:31.920 They know how the mind works.

00:46:33.640 They have run these experiments on people.

00:46:35.800 They have had this relationship with the state forever.

00:46:38.200 In fact, I think they are the state, if I'm being honest.

00:46:39.940 They are the state.

00:46:40.620 I should even say it's a relationship with the state, and what they are constantly trying

00:46:44.640 to do is to infect your mind, okay?

00:46:46.540 So picture you being that child who lived through this horrific experience, and now you

00:46:51.380 have an adult sitting before you and saying, that never happened, and you're crazy, and

00:46:54.320 what's wrong with you is that you're attracted to your dad.

00:46:56.880 That's what they're doing to all of us in a certain way.

00:47:00.040 Obviously, way more devastating when it happens to a child in that regard, in that sinister

00:47:03.720 regard.

00:47:04.580 But when you see the mainstream media apparatus today, and they're gaslighting us, like the

00:47:09.220 case of Brigitte McCrown is the most gaslighting I've ever seen in my life, where it's just

00:47:12.680 like, you could debunk us in one second, but you won't.

00:47:15.300 And you're calling us deranged, and you're calling us crazy, and you're calling us anti-Semitic

00:47:19.640 for caring about a dead Palestinian kid.

00:47:22.300 And it's like, this is, yeah, they created this system, and the only way that we're going

00:47:28.100 to be able to defeat it is we have to first understand it.

00:47:31.100 And that's why I really encourage people to get educated.

00:47:33.380 And I just made it my point, because I constantly kept getting this claim, like it's anti-Semitic,

00:47:38.780 talk about Sigmund Freud.

00:47:39.860 And I was like, you know what I'm going to do?

00:47:40.760 I'm only going to read Israeli historians, and I'm only going to read Jewish books, books

00:47:44.420 that are written by Jewish authors, so that we can just go ahead and dispel the rumor.

00:47:47.420 I've never heard that, but it's interesting.

00:47:49.320 Sigmund Freud has gone in and out of style.

00:47:52.200 Well, he was very in style when I was young, and then-

00:47:54.020 Same for me, he was very in style.

00:47:55.060 Yes, and then he was really knocked off the pedestal by feminists, as I recall, because

00:48:00.820 he had like some non-fashionable views on women and calling them hysterical, et cetera,

00:48:06.100 et cetera.

00:48:06.620 But I don't recall Sigmund Freud being like a protected figure, since when is criticizing

00:48:13.020 him a hate crime?

00:48:14.140 That's what was so weird to me.

00:48:15.500 I did one episode on The Daily Wire.

00:48:16.980 I don't think he was a religious guy, at least.

00:48:19.680 Exactly.

00:48:20.040 I did one episode, and I was speaking about also all of his friends.

00:48:24.980 His best friend was this guy, Wilhelm Fleece, who his son came out, Robert Fleece, and said,

00:48:29.680 my son, I mean, my father sexually assaulted me.

00:48:33.020 Everyone surrounding him was sexually assaulting their children in Vienna, which is-

00:48:37.400 Again, what is that?

00:48:40.040 I mean, I feel like I've been everywhere, know a ton of people.

00:48:43.440 I've never met anyone who's been accused of molesting his own child.

00:48:46.700 That is so far out.

00:48:48.100 But I've known people who've done every bad thing, and I've never met anybody who's even

00:48:53.000 been accused of that.

00:48:54.200 And yet you're describing two clusters of people, powerful people, famous people, where

00:49:01.580 tons of people in the orbit have been accused of or have, in fact, committed child molestation.

00:49:08.840 Well, let me just tell you, as you get into my series, as I point to all this orbit around

00:49:14.700 them, of everyone who just keeps accidentally committing pedophilia, defending pedophilia,

00:49:18.140 whatever it is, the best part is, for me, that they kind of laugh in your face that they

00:49:22.880 want you to know that there's an element of it that's partially sadistic.

00:49:27.580 Presidential portrait, Emmanuel Macron, leaning against a desk, everybody has to do this, leaning

00:49:31.880 against a desk, obviously, the official presidential portrait.

00:49:34.000 He chooses to put a book, and he has in multiple interviews said it's his favorite author, by

00:49:39.200 André Guide on the table.

00:49:42.560 André Guide is an author who admitted openly that he was a pedophile.

00:49:48.040 He's a pederast.

00:49:48.840 He specifically only actually molests little boys.

00:49:51.000 And he would go down to Algeria, Morocco, and he would write books based on his experiences.

00:49:55.500 He says, the president of France chose to put that book, okay, an André Guide book on his

00:50:02.420 desk for his official presidential portrait.

00:50:04.520 Like, there was no other book that you could have picked to put there.

00:50:08.720 There's an element of it where they, I think that they've amassed so much power.

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00:50:17.920 getting into Bill Barr's father, Donald Barr, who wrote that weird book, the space, it's

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00:50:40.880 And he then predicts kind of in this fantasy book, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,

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00:50:46.560 And he also was, you know, in the OSS, which was the precursor for the CIA.

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00:52:07.960 So this is all of everything that you've said for the past 20 minutes makes me think they'd

00:52:15.380 be crazy to bring this to trial because that would allow you discovery.

00:52:21.140 I think they're banking on us dismissing it.

00:52:23.500 I think one of two options.

00:52:25.360 What does that mean?

00:52:26.100 You can at first file to dismiss the case because you're going, uh, hi, we have the First

00:52:30.480 Amendment, right?

00:52:31.020 This is crazy.

00:52:31.800 It's, it's, it's coming from Paris.

00:52:33.460 I mean, like why on earth would we honor this at all?

00:52:35.880 Secondly, it's like, are we really going to allow the French president to come in here

00:52:38.760 and like stifle my, my right to speech?

00:52:41.760 And typically in a normal scenario, a judge would dismiss this case because it's, it's

00:52:44.720 completely crazy.

00:52:46.200 And we can obviously then produce the evidence that we asked them these questions and they

00:52:50.780 chose not to reply to them for whatever reason.

00:52:52.540 I think they want us to dismiss it.

00:52:55.420 And again, I'm guessing just so they can say, oh, well, we tried, but you know, America

00:52:59.620 has its own beast and they have actual malice.

00:53:01.480 Um, or they are going to pretend that Brigitte died from grief.

00:53:08.760 I don't know.

00:53:09.200 I don't, because clearly they're not going to go through discovery, right?

00:53:11.180 If you were going to go through discovery, you would have just published pictures a long

00:53:12.980 time ago and put an end to all the rumors, right?

00:53:15.420 Because then you're going to have, you're going to have to give me proof of this 30 year

00:53:19.100 period where you just kind of.

00:53:20.560 So you're not going to try to have the case dismissed.

00:53:22.740 I certainly do not want to have the case dismissed.

00:53:24.640 Amazing.

00:53:25.280 I've never heard that before.

00:53:26.580 I mean, we're having these discussions.

00:53:27.560 Guys, I just want to blinger in this for a moment, having been around a lot of lawsuits.

00:53:30.220 It's, I've never heard anybody sued, particularly this is, they're spending a lot of money on

00:53:35.180 this because Tom Clare and his wife have big expenses and they, I think they charge a lot.

00:53:40.920 Um, I've never heard anybody say, I don't want a well-funded case against me to be dismissed.

00:53:50.040 It's how I feel.

00:53:52.000 And the reason that I feel that way, truly Tucker is because this is so much bigger, you

00:53:57.880 know, and we're, so we're having those discussions.

00:53:59.420 We've spoken to the lawyer.

00:54:00.360 We want it moved to Tennessee.

00:54:01.560 They filed some Delaware.

00:54:02.540 What's happening here is so much bigger and so much more important for the world.

00:54:07.200 In Delaware, really?

00:54:07.700 Yeah.

00:54:07.860 Which is interesting.

00:54:08.560 You know, Hunter kind of notoriously said like we control the courts in Delaware, but

00:54:12.000 Fox News found out absurd case, uh, against Fox News by Dominion.

00:54:16.860 I was not named in it.

00:54:18.100 I got sucked into it.

00:54:19.520 Um, but Tom Clare was involved in that case and it was in Delaware and they just had a

00:54:24.520 completely compliant judge.

00:54:25.560 It was just a joke.

00:54:26.440 Yeah.

00:54:26.740 Actually.

00:54:27.160 Well, that's very interesting because they did file in Delaware and it is a place where

00:54:30.800 we know that the courts are corrupt, but this would be a kind of precedent that would be,

00:54:34.120 I think, almost even too crazy for Delaware.

00:54:36.700 You're talking about a sitting president of another country coming in and saying, I'm going

00:54:41.180 to sue you for telling the truth.

00:54:43.180 We have truth on our side, right?

00:54:44.540 We actually have truth.

00:54:45.140 So unless he's going to say, blah, blah, blah, I'm not looking at anything and you're

00:54:49.740 not, you're going to get no discovery and we're just going to award this person.

00:54:53.400 I mean, you got to give the other side discovery, right?

00:54:55.800 How does Macron collect as a foreign head of state?

00:54:59.000 How does he collect?

00:55:00.160 This is, there is nothing that we can look at.

00:55:02.900 We are pioneering this, obviously, because this has never happened in the history of the

00:55:06.440 world that a sitting president of a foreign country has sued a journalist and a podcaster

00:55:10.760 in another country.

00:55:11.520 It just, it's never happened.

00:55:12.920 So we don't know.

00:55:14.100 I didn't even know how we could sue, actually.

00:55:17.060 I thought that you could only sue in a country.

00:55:18.680 I just am learning with everybody else.

00:55:22.200 It's amazing.

00:55:23.240 How this is going to work.

00:55:24.780 But again, speaking of Tom Clare and Dominion, as he was sitting up there giddy with Jake

00:55:30.640 Tapper as these representatives of like the state, because that's what they represent.

00:55:33.820 They represent the state.

00:55:34.640 Of course.

00:55:34.940 They always represent the state.

00:55:36.900 But they're giddy talking about Dominion.

00:55:38.700 Because Jake Tapper sits to him, he's like, and how much did you get from Dominion lawsuit?

00:55:42.440 That's a lot of money.

00:55:42.980 You're going to sue her for all that money.

00:55:44.140 And that tells you who their master is, right?

00:55:46.500 Oh, I think we do.

00:55:47.040 These people are satanic, right?

00:55:48.740 You can't beat me in the arena of truth and facts.

00:55:52.580 So what do you do next?

00:55:53.600 Well, I'm going to punish you.

00:55:54.540 I'm going to destroy your livelihood.

00:55:56.080 You're going to have nothing to your name.

00:55:57.400 And that's why I say this case matters so much more to me, because we can't have this

00:56:04.060 sort of behavior coming from people that are governing us, right?

00:56:07.440 That say, even if you find the truth, even if I am a pervert, even if I got away with sleeping

00:56:12.220 with my student, even though his parents try to take him away, there's nothing you can

00:56:16.880 do about it.

00:56:17.540 And I'm going to impoverish you for even telling people.

00:56:20.600 Like, that's what this lawsuit is.

00:56:21.840 I'm going to impoverish you for telling the truth.

00:56:25.040 And they're happy.

00:56:25.840 You got to see, they're like, he's like giddy discussing it.

00:56:27.840 And then he turns to the camera, Jake Tapper and goes, Fox News did this.

00:56:31.320 And how much money did you get?

00:56:32.620 Like, it's totally bizarre.

00:56:34.400 I'm like, that's your master.

00:56:35.520 And you're going to come up against, you're going to come up against a hard rock here because

00:56:40.060 I don't care about money.

00:56:41.240 If I hope the story of Candace Owens over the last two years will have come to understand

00:56:45.860 that money is not my master.

00:56:47.820 I think that's very obvious to everyone.

00:56:50.180 What's interesting though, since I know everybody you're talking about, is you're the happiest

00:56:55.020 person by far?

00:56:56.520 And I don't mean to be like fake pious or whatever, like the good guys win in the end.

00:57:01.420 But it is true that you can tell who's speaking truth by who is calm and happy.

00:57:08.260 It is true.

00:57:09.020 Yeah.

00:57:09.660 Lying makes you afraid, brittle, angry.

00:57:13.720 It does.

00:57:14.200 I've lied before.

00:57:15.220 It makes me afraid, brittle, and angry.

00:57:17.640 And the more you tell the truth, the calmer you are.

00:57:21.660 I just think that's real.

00:57:22.980 And anyway, I don't think in the end you win siding with the state against the truth teller.

00:57:28.960 No.

00:57:29.280 And that's why I asked that question.

00:57:30.920 Like, Tom, I know you've watched every minute of the series.

00:57:33.100 You know that they are surrounded by these people.

00:57:35.000 You know about the children victims that have been silenced.

00:57:37.640 Is it really worth it?

00:57:38.760 You said that to him?

00:57:39.380 Yeah.

00:57:39.680 On my podcast.

00:57:40.720 I just said I had to openly, as we went through this Manasheh affair and this woman ending

00:57:44.700 up dead because they fought to get this pedophile creature in Amiens released, I just asked him,

00:57:51.180 is it really worth it?

00:57:52.180 Because for me, I couldn't look at a case that involved the abuse of children or a network

00:57:58.680 of people who are involved with the abuse of children, who have admitted to abusing children,

00:58:02.620 who are defending people who have admitted to abusing children, and put my head on the

00:58:06.920 pillow at night.

00:58:07.600 And that's what matters most.

00:58:08.580 In everything that I do, I have to be able to put my head on a pillow at night and say,

00:58:12.200 I feel like I've done, I did what I thought was the right thing to do, and it was a good

00:58:16.020 thing to do.

00:58:16.680 Yes.

00:58:17.520 And most people are not guided by that.

00:58:19.020 They're guided by this master of money, right?

00:58:21.840 And they're willing to do these sorts of things to look the other way because you're going

00:58:26.420 to cash a check.

00:58:27.140 Like you and Libby are going to cash a check and like, that's going to be good.

00:58:29.840 Do you want that to be your legacy?

00:58:31.140 I ask him that genuinely.

00:58:32.920 Like, I hope that we do get to court and I get to ask him that face to face.

00:58:36.960 Maybe he's deposing me and I get to ask him like, is the money worth it?

00:58:40.560 And I just want to know, I need to know that because I could never, when it comes to children,

00:58:44.380 I will breathe fire on Tom Clare before I would sign up to knowingly aid people who have

00:58:50.960 harmed children.

00:58:52.540 Having said, in a long deposition with Tom Clare, I can tell you, the game is to make

00:58:58.300 you mad.

00:58:59.400 And that's very easy with me because I'm a hothead.

00:59:03.400 It probably won't work with you.

00:59:04.940 You seem to have way more emotional control than I do.

00:59:07.060 Um, but I, I do think I just want to, I don't want to be mean, but I just want to say when

00:59:12.080 people have in mind, when Shakespeare wrote about lawyers and I'm like, Ooh, that's a

00:59:16.120 little harsh.

00:59:16.880 Kill all the lawyers.

00:59:17.560 What are you doing?

00:59:18.460 He, he had Tom Clare in mind.

00:59:20.380 He really is a discredit to the profession.

00:59:22.540 I can, I can say that.

00:59:23.800 Or credit to the profession or credit.

00:59:25.780 If I was legit, I mean, the godfathers of my children are lawyers, you know, and really

00:59:29.820 good.

00:59:29.980 My college roommates, really good guys, great guys, men of integrity, true integrity with wives

00:59:34.180 who respect them, kids who love them and just good men.

00:59:37.020 But if I was a lawyer, if I was one of them and Tom Clare is stalking the earth, I'd be

00:59:41.180 like, man, we got to disbar that guy because he discredits the entire profession.

00:59:45.740 Yeah.

00:59:45.900 I mean, it's very interesting.

00:59:47.320 I, I, I don't know what is guiding him at this point, but it is definitively not goodness,

00:59:53.120 right?

00:59:53.540 It's definitely not.

00:59:54.320 Does he think he can, when I know he doesn't, because like I said, I got advice from their

00:59:57.320 law firm not to pursue a defamation claim.

00:59:59.220 So you're in this, what to help bolster their idea to the world that they haven't done anything

01:00:04.320 when you know, when you know that they're lying, when you know that your client is lying

01:00:07.420 and you still represent them.

01:00:08.840 I, again, I don't know how people put their head on the pillow at night.

01:00:10.980 And what's interesting about me and he'll just come up against a rock is I have nothing

01:00:14.420 to hide, right?

01:00:15.500 If I had anything to hide, you guys would have found out last year, right?

01:00:18.240 That where I went through and physically felt like a, an x-ray from the press as they

01:00:23.300 tried to destroy everything that I had, everything that I held dear.

01:00:26.040 I mean, it was nonstop.

01:00:27.000 I mean, banned from Australia, demanding that my speaking events get canceled because

01:00:31.600 I'm an anti-Semite, you know, fired in front of the world.

01:00:36.040 I mean, last year was really one for the books and anything that they could find on me, they

01:00:41.040 wrote articles about and they smeared me and they libeled me.

01:00:44.260 And the idea was to kill me.

01:00:46.040 It was like, you know, lay it dead.

01:00:47.660 This girl should no longer have a career.

01:00:49.280 And I survived it.

01:00:50.460 And I survived it because I had the one thing that they couldn't quite kill, which is truth

01:00:54.420 on my side.

01:00:55.060 I told the truth.

01:00:55.980 Okay.

01:00:56.420 So at the end of the day, it takes so much more energy and persistence to lie.

01:01:01.060 You have to lie repeatedly.

01:01:02.420 You have to keep telling the person that the shadows on the wall are real.

01:01:05.720 Like, you know, and when you tell the truth, you always have to say it once.

01:01:09.360 And it hangs in the air and it resonates and people can feel that it's real.

01:01:13.460 And so they were unsuccessful in trying to destroy me, to try to destroy everything I've

01:01:19.760 worked for in my entire life with smears and libels and lies.

01:01:25.420 And so what's left?

01:01:26.840 What is he going to say to me?

01:01:28.320 Like, what are you saying to me during a deposition?

01:01:30.680 Yeah, I think that's a man.

01:01:32.260 And I think that everyone around them is way too close to pedophilia.

01:01:36.980 And I think, Tom Clare, that you should be ashamed of yourself and any person that would

01:01:41.620 ever launch a defense knowing that children were hurt in the process.

01:01:45.680 I think, you know, you better hope karma is not real.

01:01:51.140 Have you ever talked to Macron, texted?

01:01:54.120 He texts people, I happen to know.

01:01:55.840 I wish he would text me.

01:01:56.980 I'd love to speak to him.

01:01:58.180 I view him as a victim, by the way.

01:02:00.180 Okay.

01:02:00.820 You are a child and your drama teacher, whatever, is macking on you and you're 14 years old.

01:02:10.320 I don't know what Macron has lived through, but when you get into his backstory, it's very

01:02:13.500 weird as well.

01:02:14.040 It's a very weird backstory, a lot of holes in the backstory.

01:02:16.940 And he is, to me, like a Zelensky.

01:02:19.240 He's totally powerless.

01:02:20.440 There's somebody in the shadows telling him what to do.

01:02:22.420 One of the more fun things learning about Macron is the press sold him as this like savant,

01:02:27.660 you know, like he's just so brilliant and he was ahead of his time.

01:02:30.100 He needed to sell this like creepy relationship, you know, the 14-year-old was ahead of his

01:02:32.920 time.

01:02:34.500 And he came across like a 60-year-old.

01:02:37.280 I don't know what we're doing, right?

01:02:38.520 That's weird.

01:02:39.200 But what was really funny was that he then starts to work for Rothschild's bank.

01:02:45.640 And before he went to Rothschild's bank, he went to the school.

01:02:48.580 I don't know how to give you like a tit for tat with America.

01:02:51.280 Let's just call it like he kind of pursued his master's.

01:02:54.180 And nobody knew how he got into the school.

01:02:56.020 He actually didn't get into the school twice.

01:02:57.480 And then he gets into the school and they take this test and he is, he graduates.

01:03:02.860 I mean, he passes with flying colors, the top of the class and the class revolted because

01:03:07.500 they all knew he was dumb and they knew that there was a fix in for Macron.

01:03:11.220 And so they just canceled test scores that year for the first time in the school's history

01:03:14.800 because the kids were suddenly going, there's no way this person got this grade.

01:03:18.340 Same thing happens when he goes to Rothschild bank.

01:03:20.300 They said, and this is again, according to a Wall Street Journal book, I only use mainstream

01:03:23.940 sources that everyone who worked with him said he was an absolute idiot.

01:03:27.720 They had no idea why he was at this bank, except for the fact that David Rothschild's

01:03:31.360 hand was on him.

01:03:32.100 Like they basically, like he was allowed to be in these rooms.

01:03:34.920 He didn't even know what IBDA stood for, but he worked for Rothschild bank.

01:03:38.160 And they said that it was just very clear that the hand of Rothschild was on him.

01:03:41.820 And so they would all just remark to themselves, like, how are we working with this guy?

01:03:44.720 Who's an absolute idiot.

01:03:45.680 So even the idea of Macron being this like sophisticated, brilliant banker who was ahead of his time,

01:03:51.360 it's just not real.

01:03:52.080 So if the mainstream media sources are to be believed, again, this was a book that was done

01:03:55.900 by the Wall Street Journal and they sourced people that worked with him and said that he

01:03:59.320 was an absolute idiot, which mirrored exactly what the people who went to school with him said

01:04:02.940 when they had to cancel test scores because of his fake.

01:04:05.880 What's the relationship between Macron and Justin Trudeau?

01:04:10.340 They just remind me of each other.

01:04:12.540 They seem like they're from the same factory line assembly, you know, world economic forum.

01:04:20.120 Macron is very clearly a homosexual.

01:04:22.080 Uh, I think that's very obvious.

01:04:23.580 People have come out and talked about sleeping with him, men.

01:04:25.400 He's never sued them for anything very weird.

01:04:27.900 Really?

01:04:28.300 Oh, yeah.

01:04:28.720 Right when he got when he became president, there was a and I'm blanking on his name.

01:04:31.940 He came out and spoke and said, there's this guy is, you know, watch out for Macron.

01:04:36.140 He's got some issues like they, you know, he said that he was a part of a sex party with

01:04:40.700 him.

01:04:41.300 Macron never disputed it.

01:04:42.120 And since he likes to sue for defamation, that would have been a pretty good one to go after

01:04:45.460 if a guy is saying he slept with you and that you that you have mental issues like that.

01:04:51.880 He's like almost like a masochist in many ways.

01:04:54.880 But the entire if you just kind of look at the world right now, a lot of theater boys

01:05:00.320 are getting power.

01:05:01.200 You know, Zelensky was an actor and a performer, and he actually played the role of being the

01:05:07.840 president and then actually became the president.

01:05:10.260 Macron, he was a theater boy.

01:05:12.560 OK, and now all of a sudden he's like playing the part of the president of France.

01:05:16.800 I don't take any of these people seriously.

01:05:19.840 Like this is you are as people.

01:05:21.840 This is your next act.

01:05:23.340 Yeah.

01:05:23.520 You are told to pretend that you're the president of France and somebody behind you is telling

01:05:26.620 you what to do.

01:05:27.180 And we can definitely as Americans, I think we can all agree whether you're left or right

01:05:32.340 that that is a circumstance after having Biden in office, because we know irrespective of

01:05:36.980 whether you loved him or hated him, that he was not cognitively there.

01:05:40.100 And yet the government still ran.

01:05:42.040 And that should terrify you who was in control.

01:05:44.500 Exactly.

01:05:45.140 While he was on a steep cognitive decline.

01:05:48.580 It's the same for, I think, the entire Western world that these people are not in real

01:05:53.940 in real control and that there's they're just made to kind of delude the public into believing

01:05:59.680 that, like, yeah, this is a republic and a democracy and you have a say and look,

01:06:03.860 you elected this person, but somebody else is obviously pulling the strings.

01:06:09.520 That's a fascinating observation that has never occurred to me that the theater kids

01:06:14.120 have taken like literally literal theater kids.

01:06:18.240 Ah, that's just here's your next role.

01:06:20.400 You're going to be president.

01:06:21.000 So speaking of theater, I just hesitate even to ask this, but since, because I mean, it

01:06:26.780 just opens up all this stuff I want to deal with, but you just interviewed Nick Fuentes.

01:06:32.020 I did.

01:06:32.460 Or had a conversation with him.

01:06:33.920 What did you think of that?

01:06:34.900 What do you think of him?

01:06:36.340 I mean, I can tell you my experience is, was entirely fraudulent with him.

01:06:41.700 I, I never interview people as a gotcha interview.

01:06:44.480 It's always just that he, he was making the rounds.

01:06:47.360 He's been around for a while and kind of his story when I learned it because he was banned

01:06:52.080 from everywhere.

01:06:52.520 So I didn't actually know what the backstory was with Nick Fuentes.

01:06:54.820 But then I learned it when he was allowed back on X and Jeremy Boring, who was then the CEO

01:06:59.680 of Daily Wire, did this X live with him.

01:07:02.980 And Jeremy Boring did an, did an event with Nick Fuentes.

01:07:06.280 It was honestly, it was weird.

01:07:07.800 Everything was weird about what happened, but it happened.

01:07:09.980 And Nick told his story and I was listening in and said essentially that he was canceled

01:07:15.080 because he started asking questions about Israel.

01:07:17.000 He was 18 years old and he alleged that it was, you know, very much the fault of the

01:07:21.860 Daily Wire or whatever he said.

01:07:23.220 And I found it to be very interesting.

01:07:24.440 And I was like, oh, I actually didn't know this was the backstory.

01:07:26.520 Maybe this really is a person who had, just ahead of everybody else, was questioning Israel

01:07:31.260 and had like a bad hand given to him.

01:07:33.340 And so I had him on the show, welcomed him into my home and he was very nice.

01:07:39.220 We told him we're going to cut, you know, a controversial trailer.

01:07:43.360 We're going to show you like these clips of you talking trash about me and you can talk

01:07:47.640 about whatever you want for as long as you want.

01:07:49.340 Ask any questions you want to ask.

01:07:51.120 It went great.

01:07:52.520 He left.

01:07:54.060 He said, thanks.

01:07:55.340 We can now be friends.

01:07:56.820 And I am not kidding.

01:07:58.180 We published this 11 days later and he, it was, I don't even know how to,

01:08:02.440 he just starts screaming, calling me and effing B-I-T-C-H, who set him up.

01:08:08.860 We didn't edit a single thing.

01:08:10.660 Those 11 days, like two weeks before we even published the interview,

01:08:13.840 we told him if there's anything that he wanted us to insert.

01:08:16.080 Like nobody does that if you go on their show.

01:08:17.580 Yes.

01:08:17.960 And I don't know what, I genuinely don't know what triggered him other than me at

01:08:21.820 the very end asking him about like, or talking to him about family.

01:08:24.660 And it was, it was just the rage that was coming out of him was just weird.

01:08:28.140 And I don't know why he did that.

01:08:29.820 I don't know why he did a 180.

01:08:30.640 You had access to me.

01:08:31.520 You could have said anything after you, even if he had said in good faith,

01:08:35.460 I thought I sounded a little weird here.

01:08:36.660 Could you cut it out?

01:08:37.180 We probably would have cut it out because I just don't want people to ever

01:08:39.080 not have a good experience.

01:08:41.020 You know what I'm saying?

01:08:41.640 And also you want people, well, I'll speak for myself.

01:08:44.700 When I invite someone on, especially just to hear their views,

01:08:47.880 I want them to be able to express what they actually think.

01:08:50.100 Right, exactly.

01:08:51.200 And you decide what you think and you decide how to express it.

01:08:53.980 I mean, that's like a basic human, right?

01:08:56.120 Kind of.

01:08:56.500 And so I'm not here to trip you up into saying something you don't mean.

01:09:00.260 I want to hear what you do mean.

01:09:01.700 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:02.600 And he told the story.

01:09:03.640 He did all of that.

01:09:04.540 And apparently then, and I don't know if it was driven by insecurity.

01:09:07.720 He didn't know how his followers would take the interview,

01:09:10.720 but he just did a complete 180, lied to his audience,

01:09:14.280 pretended that he was surprised it was behind a paywall.

01:09:16.200 We spoke about him and how we were going to release it.

01:09:18.620 He said, great.

01:09:19.140 I mean, it's a totally, total 180 flip.

01:09:21.380 So I can now say that I didn't listen to other people say that Nick was a bad person.

01:09:25.040 I didn't care about what happened when he was 18, 19, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20.

01:09:27.600 I sat across from a person, had a conversation with him.

01:09:30.920 He behaved one way in person and then put on a show for the internet.

01:09:34.860 So I actually can say my experience with Nick Fuentes is that he's a terrible person

01:09:38.220 and a terrible human being because why would you do that?

01:09:39.680 There's no reason to do that.

01:09:40.540 I agree.

01:09:40.820 You could have come back onto the show.

01:09:42.580 You could have had beginning of us discussing various topics.

01:09:46.660 I think in many ways, whatever happened to him when he was 18 may have stunted his growth,

01:09:52.400 meaning that he now is responding to the internet,

01:09:56.040 which is filled with people that don't even use their real names.

01:09:59.360 Right?

01:09:59.980 So really, truly, the irony of it all is you could just be like the IDF soldiers,

01:10:04.300 just pretending to be his supporters, just getting him to say whatever you want

01:10:06.880 because he's going to do whatever you say.

01:10:08.540 But it was strange.

01:10:09.520 It was totally strange.

01:10:10.820 It made no sense.

01:10:11.840 Does he have a family or a normal life?

01:10:14.900 I asked him about that.

01:10:15.340 He said, yeah, it comes from a two-parent household.

01:10:17.460 That's what he told me.

01:10:17.760 No, no, no.

01:10:18.060 Does he have his own family?

01:10:19.240 Does he have-

01:10:19.560 No, no, he's not married.

01:10:20.920 And I just offered to him.

01:10:22.560 I was like, yeah, no, I think these are the things that you learn when you're married.

01:10:24.400 And he just was vicious about it.

01:10:26.720 And, you know, women don't tell me what to do or whatever it was.

01:10:30.840 And it was very performative.

01:10:32.220 Like I said, the exact same thing to Andrew Tate months earlier.

01:10:35.300 I had him and I said, you should get married.

01:10:37.020 Here's why.

01:10:37.640 And of course, Andrew Tate did not react like that.

01:10:39.160 He told me what his hangups were about marriage.

01:10:40.820 It was just a part of two people communicating on a show.

01:10:42.880 But for whatever reason, like it was,

01:10:45.340 just as like an attack, even though-

01:10:48.000 Interesting.

01:10:48.600 Yeah, it was weird.

01:10:49.200 It was totally weird.

01:10:49.640 That's a tender spot.

01:10:50.300 Well, okay.

01:10:51.960 Has it occurred to you that, and I just want to say,

01:10:54.560 I haven't watched a lot of Nick Fuentes in my life at all.

01:10:58.600 But what I've seen, the guy's very talented.

01:11:01.320 Like just as a, well, let me just say this.

01:11:04.940 As someone who's talked to cameras his whole life,

01:11:07.040 it is very hard to sit and just like riff for 20 minutes.

01:11:12.940 And I just, I think it's an amazing skill.

01:11:14.860 And he has that skill.

01:11:16.560 But I also have noticed that his targets are all people who are sincere,

01:11:24.800 non-crazy, non-hateful opponents of neocon politics.

01:11:29.560 Right.

01:11:30.460 So you have to kind of wonder about that.

01:11:32.540 So Nick Fuentes is like, oh, I don't like the neocons.

01:11:34.660 But then his targets are J.D. Vance, Joe Kent.

01:11:38.600 He like tried to, he got involved in Joe Kent's campaign.

01:11:42.660 Oh, yes.

01:11:44.880 You, me.

01:11:46.400 And it's like, what is that?

01:11:48.640 Dave Smith.

01:11:49.580 Dave Smith.

01:11:49.760 And I asked him about that because that's a question that I had.

01:11:52.680 So I did the right thing by asking him to his face.

01:11:54.560 What's up with this?

01:11:55.360 Like, why do you attack Dave Smith?

01:11:56.760 You say that like your biggest critique is that America is being controlled by Israel.

01:11:59.760 Then you have Dave Smith, who has been such a sound voice.

01:12:02.680 And by the way, opposite experience with Dave Smith.

01:12:05.160 I have my podcast.

01:12:05.940 He's a fantastic human being.

01:12:07.180 I judge people.

01:12:07.960 Dave Smith is one of the nicest people ever.

01:12:09.380 Fantastic human.

01:12:10.240 Yes.

01:12:10.440 And so I judge people according to my experiences with them.

01:12:13.580 And so Nick is being judged according to my experience with him.

01:12:16.240 But like, what is this?

01:12:17.260 I don't get it.

01:12:17.760 I don't understand it.

01:12:18.580 Where does the funding come from?

01:12:19.220 I had, I probably shouldn't even say this, but I had, the only reason I know who he is

01:12:21.920 is because someone sent me a video a few years ago of him attacking me.

01:12:25.980 And I was like, hmm, so I'm looking at this.

01:12:28.180 And I'm like, well, first of all, this kid's really talented, like legit.

01:12:31.280 And I can assess that just having done the job for so long.

01:12:33.560 So I was like, wow, lots of talent, native talent.

01:12:36.060 And he's attacking my dad as a CIA, his dad's in the CIA or whatever.

01:12:42.080 And I'm like, well, that's no, untrue.

01:12:45.980 And my father dies and I learn actually, yeah, you know, was involved in that world.

01:12:52.720 I was completely shocked by it.

01:12:54.380 So no one has to believe me, but that's just a fact.

01:12:57.240 Right.

01:12:57.680 This was in March of this year.

01:12:59.800 And I'm like, well, why would, how the hell would this child from Chicago,

01:13:03.920 my dad was 84 when he passed?

01:13:06.700 Like, who does this guy know my dad is?

01:13:08.380 And like, he's in an intelligence world.

01:13:10.280 How would he know that?

01:13:11.560 Wait, so that was his critique of you because I didn't see it?

01:13:13.720 Yeah.

01:13:14.060 Someone just sent me this video and it was like,

01:13:15.800 you can't believe anything Carlson says because his father was in the CIA

01:13:19.920 and he's a CIA working on behalf of the CIA.

01:13:23.440 Well, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious and I'm pretty,

01:13:25.880 I mean, I actually feel emotional in my anger towards CIA.

01:13:29.580 And I think that comes out on the air quite regularly.

01:13:32.080 Right.

01:13:32.660 And so the idea that I'm working for the CIA is like deranged.

01:13:37.400 Well, if it helps, he said, I was, I'm funded by Russia.

01:13:39.240 Now, since the interview, he then did a thing and said,

01:13:41.100 I was funded by Russia.

01:13:41.560 But you would be a lot more likely to take Russian money

01:13:45.580 than I would be to work for the CIA.

01:13:47.360 You would never take Russian money and you're not Russian.

01:13:50.220 But, but I mean, I really hate the CIA.

01:13:52.400 And I mean, I would, I mean, that's like very offensive to me.

01:13:55.620 So why would you?

01:13:56.760 It's like personal for you.

01:13:57.940 Well, a little bit.

01:13:58.620 Yeah.

01:13:58.800 And anyway, like, who is this kid exactly?

01:14:02.080 And maybe it's just an accident that the guy goes after,

01:14:06.060 exclusively goes after people who are in the same, roughly the same.

01:14:11.960 And then he gets up there and he's like, you know, making Holocaust jokes.

01:14:14.320 And it's like, is it possible that this is like David Duke?

01:14:18.220 David Duke, every time I had a new show, David Duke would endorse my show.

01:14:21.360 I don't know.

01:14:21.860 Who the hell is David Duke?

01:14:23.120 Well, David Duke is obviously part of a campaign

01:14:25.880 to discredit people on the right, obviously.

01:14:28.000 And I think it's very obvious that Nick Fuentes is exactly the same.

01:14:33.340 Doesn't mean everything he says is false.

01:14:34.800 It doesn't mean he's not talented.

01:14:35.740 He's enormously talented.

01:14:37.100 Doesn't mean he's a bad person.

01:14:38.160 I'm not tagging him personally, but he is clearly part of a campaign

01:14:42.180 to discredit non-crazy right voices.

01:14:46.820 You know, that's obvious to me.

01:14:48.520 I've been around a long time.

01:14:49.880 I know when I see it.

01:14:50.780 Yeah.

01:14:51.020 And I will say, I don't understand it.

01:14:52.740 We were very kind to him.

01:14:53.800 Like, I truly, like, we almost said, like, we felt maybe he was a bit lonely.

01:14:57.500 We should invite him back for dinner.

01:14:58.840 I mean, that's how good of an experience I had.

01:15:01.800 Yeah, clearly it's a sad.

01:15:02.980 And then it was a 180.

01:15:03.760 So it's either, A, it's being driven from, like, a little boy insecurity.

01:15:07.080 And he just was so worried that he, like, just went on the attack

01:15:10.040 because he doesn't know how to have normal relations after being banned everywhere.

01:15:12.680 Well, I think there's kind of the angry gay kid thing going on.

01:15:16.000 Or it's the, what you're saying, where he does this, he's lying to everybody

01:15:21.680 and pretending that things are one way when it's not.

01:15:23.460 I can say he lied.

01:15:24.260 Why is he attacking Joe Kent, who, I mean, Joe Kent worked as a CIA contractor,

01:15:29.540 paramilitary contractor.

01:15:31.080 He's in the U.S. military for years fighting our neocon wars.

01:15:36.120 His wife was killed in Syria in one of those wars.

01:15:38.880 Joe Kent is the single most sincere critic,

01:15:41.840 and I would say the one with the most credibility in the United States

01:15:45.500 to say this foreign policy is bad.

01:15:47.220 It killed my wife.

01:15:48.120 I was a part of it.

01:15:49.820 Joe Kent is actually someone the CIA doesn't like at all

01:15:52.840 because he understands how it operates.

01:15:54.820 And for Nick Fuentes, who's some child from Chicago,

01:15:59.160 who, I mean, to go after him specifically,

01:16:02.700 one congressional seat in Washington state.

01:16:05.480 It is random.

01:16:06.620 It's not random, though.

01:16:07.820 It's the opposite of random.

01:16:09.000 Joe Kent was number one on the list of people.

01:16:12.500 They wanted to knock off people who believe in our neocon foreign policy.

01:16:16.700 They wanted Joe Kent out because he could stand up and say,

01:16:18.940 I actually know.

01:16:19.800 I've got the receipts.

01:16:20.320 My wife was killed in Syria.

01:16:22.340 You had to take that guy out.

01:16:23.780 And Nick Fuentes, this child, this weird little gay kid in his basement in Chicago,

01:16:28.660 is participating in a super PAC to bump off Joe Kent.

01:16:32.900 I've been around this my whole life.

01:16:34.840 I know what that is.

01:16:36.560 It's just an organized effort.

01:16:41.060 And he also did the thing that David Duke always did, including to me,

01:16:45.920 which is being like, oh, yeah, it's my friend.

01:16:47.560 And everyone's like, oh, Tucker Carlson's been endorsed by David Duke.

01:16:51.540 I've been making like the anti-racist argument my whole life.

01:16:54.840 Like, I'm not for David Duke.

01:16:56.960 Do I think David Duke is right when he's against affirmative action?

01:17:00.520 You bet I do.

01:17:01.420 But I'm not for David Duke.

01:17:02.220 But David Duke would try to discredit people by hugging them.

01:17:06.820 And that's exactly what Fuentes did.

01:17:08.700 He goes out there and meet all these people.

01:17:10.100 Hi, I'm Nick Fuentes.

01:17:10.840 Can I get my picture with you?

01:17:12.260 That's a campaign to destroy credible voices on the right.

01:17:16.260 And Fuentes is part of it.

01:17:17.480 And I know I'm inviting endless trouble by saying this because, you know,

01:17:21.460 this is a kid with a lot of spare time, but it's just a fact.

01:17:25.760 And I've seen it a lot.

01:17:27.640 And you can believe me or not, but I know what I'm talking about.

01:17:32.380 I can confirm he's dishonest.

01:17:34.000 I mean, there's no, so it's like you use that as your, like,

01:17:36.080 I could not determine what his motives were.

01:17:38.060 And I said, you know what?

01:17:38.980 I don't have time for this.

01:17:40.260 I gave you a fair chance, gave you a fair shake.

01:17:42.020 And you are a fundamentally dishonest human being.

01:17:44.140 You know, there was no reason to do it.

01:17:45.900 If he had not done that show and screamed and yelled,

01:17:49.380 his followers would have been like, oh, that was an interesting conversation

01:17:51.320 between two people who agreed some, disagreed some.

01:17:53.340 And like, that was it.

01:17:54.220 It was interesting that he got there.

01:17:55.460 He doesn't want to be, and I can tell you that he doesn't want to be

01:17:58.300 anywhere but where he is.

01:17:59.400 He doesn't want to have normal relations.

01:18:01.180 And it did sort of feel, and I said that to him,

01:18:03.500 that he's like responding to orders somewhere.

01:18:06.300 Because why are you attacking me?

01:18:07.560 Why are you attacking Dave Smith?

01:18:09.920 What is the issue with Dave Smith?

01:18:11.000 And he couldn't answer the question.

01:18:12.780 He couldn't answer the question.

01:18:13.580 He was just like, well.

01:18:14.500 The fakest thing I've ever seen.

01:18:16.040 And he's like, why do you hate Dave Smith over Joe Rogan?

01:18:18.520 And it's like, well, Dave Smith is this kind of a Jew.

01:18:21.040 And I'm like, okay, I don't either, you really are this immature

01:18:23.980 and you haven't gotten further in your ideas,

01:18:26.120 or you're just attacking people and making people think

01:18:29.980 that these attacks are legitimate when they're really not.

01:18:31.600 And we were so kind to him that I was just like, okay.

01:18:33.820 He's attacking Dave Smith because Dave Smith is effective and credible.

01:18:38.680 He's very effective.

01:18:39.340 Because he's smart.

01:18:41.620 He's a decent person.

01:18:42.620 There's no hate on Dave Smith.

01:18:43.680 And you would smell it if there was and there isn't.

01:18:46.420 And he has credibility and he has knowledge.

01:18:49.280 And he's a marvelous debater.

01:18:51.400 And once again, a really good person.

01:18:53.000 So you have to take out Dave Smith.

01:18:54.980 You have to take out Joe Kent.

01:18:56.560 Those are the good people.

01:18:57.620 You have to take out J.D. Vance.

01:18:59.020 He was against J.D. Vance.

01:19:00.280 So if you're against like more pointless wars on behalf of foreign powers,

01:19:03.480 like probably not going to be attacking J.D. Vance.

01:19:05.580 And Vance was exactly the person he was attacking.

01:19:08.100 So this, and the sad thing is,

01:19:10.480 and I know that no one who watches him will believe me because they're desperate,

01:19:13.320 because they are the victims of a system that hates him.

01:19:16.420 It's young white men who've been totally cut out of our economy,

01:19:20.480 attacked mercilessly, given, you know, narcotics just go die.

01:19:24.840 I mean, they really are the victims and they're desperate and no one speaks for them.

01:19:28.000 So they go to Fuentes because he's like incredibly articulate.

01:19:30.240 And they think he's our leader.

01:19:31.680 But in one of the saddest ironies of all,

01:19:36.360 like he's acting against your interests, actually.

01:19:39.900 It's, ah, it's really dark.

01:19:42.540 Yeah, I don't believe he says, I don't,

01:19:43.880 I no longer think that he believes what he says.

01:19:46.160 And I can say that like even the whole, yeah, I just say I'm a racist.

01:19:49.440 I know in part he says stuff to be entertaining and that's fine.

01:19:52.240 There's an element of it that is meant to be entertaining.

01:19:54.220 But you got on a pod,

01:19:56.160 a flight to come down onto a podcast with a black woman.

01:19:58.840 Like, I don't think you're racist.

01:19:59.740 I don't believe your idea is that women,

01:20:01.840 he's like, you know, women need to shut up.

01:20:03.100 It's like, okay, why are you on my podcast?

01:20:04.880 Why are you saying that you want people to have you on their podcasts?

01:20:07.440 So there's just the,

01:20:09.420 there's a gap between what he says and how he acts.

01:20:12.600 And for me, that's just worthy of dismissing full stop.

01:20:15.440 You know, be authentic.

01:20:16.460 I don't care who you are.

01:20:17.600 Genuinely, I kind of like Taylor Lorenz

01:20:20.080 because I know that she actually believes what she says.

01:20:22.580 Do you get what I'm saying?

01:20:23.640 Like at least she's authentic.

01:20:24.820 And I like, she's been wearing a mask for five years.

01:20:27.800 Okay.

01:20:28.100 It is real to her.

01:20:29.100 COVID is real to her.

01:20:30.080 This is not a performance.

01:20:31.240 She is not, this is not CNN.

01:20:33.120 It's not Jake Tapper.

01:20:34.140 And I respect it.

01:20:35.000 I told my parents, I kind of like her.

01:20:36.700 It's weird because I know she's authentic.

01:20:38.800 And we would just genuinely never agree.

01:20:41.600 We would always be at odds,

01:20:42.640 but we would recognize that you truly believe this

01:20:45.000 and you are still double masked in 2025.

01:20:47.560 I'm so with you.

01:20:48.400 Yeah, I like her because it's real.

01:20:50.120 And that's all it takes for me to like someone.

01:20:51.600 I have to know that you believe what you're saying.

01:20:53.980 And I'm good with Taylor Lorenz.

01:20:55.640 Oh, that's so perfect.

01:20:57.300 That is such great.

01:20:58.560 I ran into her in some foreign country.

01:21:00.420 I was giving a speech somewhere in a foreign country.

01:21:03.140 I think it was in the Middle East.

01:21:04.260 But anyway, she comes up to me at the speech

01:21:06.460 and she's wearing a mask.

01:21:07.400 I have no idea who this person is,

01:21:08.900 but I look at her eyes

01:21:10.160 and they're kind of going in different directions.

01:21:12.300 They're like super intense.

01:21:14.100 She goes, hi, it's Taylor.

01:21:15.340 I don't know her.

01:21:16.240 I've never met her.

01:21:17.100 And I was like, oh, Taylor Lorenz?

01:21:20.760 And she's like, yeah.

01:21:23.840 My only takeaway was the intensity is real.

01:21:27.020 Yeah, it's real.

01:21:27.900 Yeah.

01:21:28.120 So it's like, how can you not like her?

01:21:29.460 The people that I can't stand

01:21:30.600 are people who get up there,

01:21:31.600 like the Jake Tappers of the world,

01:21:32.480 who get up there and they say something they don't believe.

01:21:33.920 It's not how they live.

01:21:34.580 It's not what their true positions are.

01:21:35.740 They say it for a check.

01:21:37.260 Taylor Lorenz, this is not a check for her.

01:21:39.300 Okay.

01:21:39.620 I'm like, that stops at wearing,

01:21:41.220 she's been wearing a mask for five years.

01:21:42.760 She hasn't seen her face in five years.

01:21:43.920 Okay.

01:21:44.280 This is real for Taylor Lorenz.

01:21:45.980 And I therefore like her.

01:21:47.000 That's how my brain works.

01:21:48.080 I just, I am here for Taylor Lorenz.

01:21:50.740 I think that's,

01:21:51.980 I think it's a great way to judge people.

01:21:53.440 Just be authentic.

01:21:54.120 I do.

01:21:54.740 I do.

01:21:55.180 I think telling the truth,

01:21:56.300 even if you're wrong,

01:21:57.280 doing your best really matters.

01:21:59.420 So how do you,

01:22:00.160 so you mentioned before that last year was just a tsunami

01:22:04.500 of attacks on you,

01:22:05.800 not simply on your views and their accuracy,

01:22:08.900 which I think is, you know,

01:22:09.860 it's legitimate to critique anything any of us say

01:22:12.160 on the basis of whether or not it's true,

01:22:14.500 but on your character.

01:22:16.480 And they were very intense.

01:22:19.020 They attacked your family.

01:22:20.380 I won't go more,

01:22:21.000 I won't go deeper than that,

01:22:22.060 but you know what I'm talking about.

01:22:23.320 I mean,

01:22:23.600 they really went after you,

01:22:24.960 your opponents.

01:22:26.000 How did that affect you?

01:22:27.960 It was one of the strangest things

01:22:29.940 where it strengthened us in a way.

01:22:35.340 I think you have to get real up close to the devil,

01:22:38.940 but you know,

01:22:39.240 just really see it in its action,

01:22:41.120 in its form.

01:22:41.680 And then you just go,

01:22:42.880 okay,

01:22:43.680 like we're,

01:22:44.560 we're doing this.

01:22:45.360 And we have,

01:22:46.140 there's,

01:22:46.440 there's no thinking because you're just fighting.

01:22:48.020 And then I think about last year,

01:22:50.420 it was just,

01:22:51.620 we were constantly fighting and very focused in those fights.

01:22:56.660 And not with each other.

01:22:57.620 No,

01:22:57.880 me and my husband were just like,

01:22:59.020 we've truly,

01:23:00.320 I mean,

01:23:00.540 not to say we've never been more united,

01:23:01.620 we've always been united,

01:23:02.160 but we are the way,

01:23:03.520 what we went through last year,

01:23:04.420 it was just,

01:23:05.760 we can make it through anything,

01:23:06.940 you know?

01:23:07.260 How do you keep it?

01:23:07.780 He was so calm.

01:23:08.960 And I do think I attribute that to his faith.

01:23:11.300 I attribute that,

01:23:12.260 you know,

01:23:12.460 my husband is a spiritual leader first and foremost.

01:23:14.240 And I think if he had shown even a fraction of uncertainty,

01:23:18.700 I probably would have come apart.

01:23:20.040 Do you know what I mean?

01:23:20.660 I do.

01:23:21.060 But he was just a,

01:23:22.960 he just,

01:23:23.460 it was amazing.

01:23:24.040 I don't know how he does it.

01:23:25.140 I've reflected to him because obviously we've survived it.

01:23:27.560 We've came back bigger and stronger.

01:23:29.260 And I just look back and I go,

01:23:30.260 were you like dying on the inside?

01:23:32.020 Were you like going into the closet and crying,

01:23:33.900 you know,

01:23:34.300 behind my bag?

01:23:35.280 Because I don't know how George did it.

01:23:36.760 I really don't know how he did it.

01:23:38.820 But he was just laser focused.

01:23:41.220 Nothing was a drama or a saga.

01:23:43.520 It's like,

01:23:44.620 Australia's banned us.

01:23:45.860 And he's just like,

01:23:46.700 okay,

01:23:47.020 here's the person on the phone,

01:23:48.220 the lawyer,

01:23:48.560 we're going to go.

01:23:49.100 And we are right now in the Supreme Court in Australia.

01:23:51.100 Right now,

01:23:52.020 the case is called Candace Owens versus the Commonwealth of Australia.

01:23:55.800 No way.

01:23:56.920 Versus France versus Australia.

01:23:58.720 And he's like,

01:23:59.320 here's what we're going to do.

01:23:59.900 And so it was one of those things where when you go through those sorts of attacks,

01:24:05.640 it either breaks you or it strengthens you.

01:24:07.720 And it strengthened us.

01:24:09.580 And I didn't think that we needed to be strengthened.

01:24:11.500 And so now I'm so grateful for last year because there was this divine clarity that came

01:24:18.640 into our lives.

01:24:19.560 Who are our real friends,

01:24:21.040 right?

01:24:21.500 Who are our real friends?

01:24:23.480 And these other people,

01:24:25.480 how could we have ever thought that they were our friends?

01:24:28.420 Like even waiting to see who's going to speak out and say that this is wrong.

01:24:31.840 Like the number one litmus test is,

01:24:33.300 let's not forget,

01:24:34.000 before we even get down to the books that I've read and what I think now,

01:24:36.720 all I said was Christ is King.

01:24:38.180 Okay.

01:24:38.340 This was like,

01:24:39.920 it's anti-Semitic,

01:24:41.240 it's layered,

01:24:42.060 it's this,

01:24:42.600 it's that.

01:24:42.960 And there were people who I would have been like,

01:24:45.240 I've always been friendly with,

01:24:46.680 who are making videos,

01:24:48.080 legit,

01:24:48.480 legitimatizing that.

01:24:49.460 Like she didn't say it directed to anybody,

01:24:51.180 but it could have been kind of implied.

01:24:53.040 And this is why you shouldn't say Christ is King.

01:24:54.820 And we're looking around going,

01:24:55.800 what is going on right now?

01:24:57.400 What is happening?

01:24:58.620 And I think at that moment.

01:24:59.460 That's one of the craziest controversies I've ever seen.

01:25:02.200 It was the craziest controversy.

01:25:03.340 So there were people on the so-called right who attacked you for saying Christ is King?

01:25:08.800 Of course there were.

01:25:10.300 And one of those people was,

01:25:12.060 and I've been very vocal about it because he's such a bad person,

01:25:15.680 Seth Dillon.

01:25:16.640 And what makes him such a bad person is I really stood up for Seth Dillon when it mattered.

01:25:22.580 I did too.

01:25:23.020 When it really mattered.

01:25:25.160 And like the,

01:25:25.800 like he thought he was going to lose everything.

01:25:28.180 And I did it privately,

01:25:29.620 you know,

01:25:29.880 no fanfare just because I wanted the right thing to be done to him.

01:25:33.680 And at a moment where all actually,

01:25:36.260 if he had just given me silence,

01:25:38.160 that would have been friendship in that moment.

01:25:39.780 Like the whole world is coming after me.

01:25:41.760 I just lost my job.

01:25:43.240 I'm trending,

01:25:44.360 you know,

01:25:44.740 from here to Timbuktu.

01:25:45.980 If you had just been quiet and said nothing about Christ is King,

01:25:48.800 I would have been like,

01:25:49.260 that was nice.

01:25:49.980 Thank you for not adding to the chorus.

01:25:51.560 No,

01:25:51.680 no,

01:25:51.780 no.

01:25:51.940 He added to the chorus,

01:25:53.340 you know,

01:25:53.860 and then would like privately try to message me,

01:25:57.520 to be like,

01:25:58.200 well,

01:25:58.580 and this was their whole big idea.

01:26:00.080 They were attributing it to Nick Fuentes.

01:26:01.700 And I had no idea that Nick Fuentes chanted Christ is King.

01:26:04.640 And by the way,

01:26:04.980 if he does chant Christ is King,

01:26:06.280 good.

01:26:06.640 That's a good thing.

01:26:07.480 Like I want everyone to be chanting Christ is King.

01:26:09.480 But he basically,

01:26:10.120 it's like fundamental,

01:26:11.240 like Christianity.

01:26:13.040 Yeah,

01:26:13.200 exactly.

01:26:13.700 It doesn't matter if,

01:26:14.620 if Nick Fuentes is saying Jesus is King,

01:26:16.460 he is.

01:26:17.240 And so he was sort of saying to me that I would have to make a layered

01:26:21.360 statement about Christ is King.

01:26:23.360 And he said that to you very much came,

01:26:26.600 came across.

01:26:27.100 I said to him,

01:26:27.540 I'll publish because when he denied it publicly,

01:26:28.960 I said,

01:26:29.240 let me publish the text messages.

01:26:30.520 And he went radio silent because I don't lie.

01:26:32.480 Okay.

01:26:32.740 I don't lie.

01:26:33.520 And he wanted me to make a statement against Gripers.

01:26:35.380 So my whole world is coming down.

01:26:37.520 And Seth Dillon's like,

01:26:38.280 here's what you can do for me.

01:26:39.240 If you'd like a life raft,

01:26:40.440 you know what I mean?

01:26:41.220 It's just tweet against the Gripers.

01:26:43.340 And I was just like,

01:26:44.020 seriously,

01:26:44.580 Seth,

01:26:45.400 F you,

01:26:46.680 you know,

01:26:46.900 when your family had something that you were going,

01:26:48.380 and I stood up for you and I,

01:26:49.700 it was nothing for me to gain everything for me to lose.

01:26:52.600 And you're,

01:26:53.200 you're upset about random frog accounts on the internet.

01:26:56.700 And you're adding to this chorus of things that are being said against me.

01:27:00.080 And it's amazing.

01:27:01.060 He's a betrayer.

01:27:01.580 He is.

01:27:02.220 He's deceitful.

01:27:02.820 You know,

01:27:03.120 he is the Judas at your table.

01:27:04.480 You know,

01:27:04.700 he'll break bread with you,

01:27:05.560 come to your house and feel nothing when he stabs you in the back.

01:27:09.440 And so with,

01:27:10.420 but I was just early.

01:27:11.420 Now everyone sees it because now that we're him and Joel Berry have been so deranged in their pro-Israel commentary.

01:27:17.360 Like they literally like applaud when I,

01:27:19.220 I genuinely think that these people smile when Palestinian children die,

01:27:22.680 but I saw it early,

01:27:24.320 his character.

01:27:25.340 I saw his character early when all that was required for him to be a friend was to just be quiet.

01:27:29.580 He couldn't do it.

01:27:30.500 You know,

01:27:30.780 he added to it.

01:27:31.260 I had exactly the same experience.

01:27:33.320 Exactly the same experience with him.

01:27:35.200 I put him on twice at the request of other people.

01:27:37.440 I took him out to dinner,

01:27:38.720 my house.

01:27:39.980 And I did think it's kind of weird.

01:27:41.920 And I totally supported the Babylon Bee.

01:27:43.740 I love the idea of it.

01:27:44.880 Don't read it,

01:27:45.600 but I,

01:27:45.920 I want something like that.

01:27:47.920 And I think there are probably really nice people who work there.

01:27:49.820 I assume.

01:27:50.540 No.

01:27:50.860 But I remember thinking and even saying to one of my producers,

01:27:53.860 boy,

01:27:54.280 for a guy who runs a comedy set,

01:27:55.400 he's not funny at all.

01:27:56.640 And he seems to have no interest in comedy at all.

01:27:59.200 Not that I'm a comedian,

01:27:59.940 but I like funny things,

01:28:01.360 you know,

01:28:01.780 I'm a shallow guy.

01:28:02.940 And,

01:28:03.360 um,

01:28:03.660 I did think that was weird.

01:28:04.700 And then,

01:28:05.240 and I didn't lie.

01:28:07.240 I didn't like his vibe.

01:28:08.840 However,

01:28:09.840 I did it twice.

01:28:12.200 And then I had Daryl Cooper on the last day of August last year.

01:28:15.360 I did not think it was controversial at all.

01:28:17.380 It wasn't.

01:28:17.940 No.

01:28:18.340 And Daryl Cooper's like not even right wing.

01:28:21.000 I mean,

01:28:21.200 Daryl Cooper's just like a really nice guy.

01:28:23.460 And it was,

01:28:24.360 you know,

01:28:24.580 he's a Holocaust nerd,

01:28:25.600 which he is not.

01:28:26.380 That's a lie.

01:28:27.300 Or at least he didn't do it on my show.

01:28:29.020 He's never done it in a conversation.

01:28:30.040 Whatever.

01:28:30.840 It became this manufactured controversy.

01:28:33.300 And one of my producers was like,

01:28:34.640 Seth Dillon is attacking you.

01:28:37.040 I was like,

01:28:37.520 I don't think so.

01:28:38.260 I mean,

01:28:38.420 I really helped that guy twice.

01:28:40.860 And,

01:28:41.240 uh,

01:28:41.460 cause he was,

01:28:42.060 you know,

01:28:42.280 his site was being banned or whatever.

01:28:44.780 So I text Seth Dillon and I'm like,

01:28:46.420 is he really attacking me?

01:28:48.080 And he starts like lecturing me,

01:28:50.240 um,

01:28:51.940 in a very high handed way.

01:28:53.880 And I,

01:28:54.620 of course took the bait and then he published some of the texts.

01:28:58.560 Oh,

01:28:58.740 so he does.

01:28:59.320 Okay.

01:28:59.520 That's good to know.

01:29:00.060 He published his private.

01:29:00.680 I may be misremembering this,

01:29:02.260 but he came up to me at an event in,

01:29:04.260 I was doing a,

01:29:05.100 I was campaigning for Donald Trump and he was there.

01:29:07.480 He was very excited to be there.

01:29:09.140 And he comes up to me.

01:29:10.320 I was standing with a bunch of people,

01:29:12.240 including Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:29:13.200 And he comes up and he's like,

01:29:14.400 well,

01:29:14.600 I think you should forgive me.

01:29:16.140 You're a Christian.

01:29:16.780 You say you're a Christian.

01:29:17.320 You should forgive me.

01:29:18.120 And I should forgive him because I am a Christian.

01:29:19.660 And that's like a requirement of our religion.

01:29:21.320 But I just couldn't because of all the people I've dealt with.

01:29:24.660 I met Kim Jong-un once,

01:29:26.100 not quite as mad at him as I am at Seth Dillon.

01:29:28.260 Cause I just,

01:29:28.840 the,

01:29:28.940 the betrayal,

01:29:30.100 the super silliness,

01:29:30.920 the stupidity and the cruelty of it.

01:29:33.840 I just couldn't.

01:29:34.980 Oh,

01:29:35.140 but he's,

01:29:35.420 he's gone masked down.

01:29:36.380 I mean,

01:29:36.460 he accidentally sent a screenshot.

01:29:38.340 They didn't realize like James Lindsay,

01:29:40.040 he sends screenshots to James Lindsay.

01:29:41.740 And then I don't,

01:29:42.560 I don't know who he is,

01:29:43.260 but I know,

01:29:43.480 but he's always on Twitter in the same puddle of people who are constantly just like,

01:29:47.340 I don't know,

01:29:47.580 like applauding Palestinian death.

01:29:49.320 Um,

01:29:49.680 and he asked James Lindsay,

01:29:51.760 didn't realize that it showed that it was from Seth Dillon's account.

01:29:53.980 So clearly Seth Dillon had texted it to him.

01:29:55.640 And then James Lindsay then like said something about what it was.

01:29:58.800 And it was just amazing.

01:29:59.640 It was just a masked down moment where it's like,

01:30:00.920 yeah,

01:30:01.120 you're all on a group chat and you're sharing information of people who do attack.

01:30:05.120 And you presented yourself as like the funny,

01:30:06.940 nice guy and you're anything,

01:30:08.380 but like,

01:30:09.140 you know,

01:30:09.260 you're quite sinister.

01:30:11.400 And is it,

01:30:12.300 we all kind of fell for it for a little bit because I'm just the guy who does satire.

01:30:15.540 No,

01:30:15.860 you are like a totally deranged,

01:30:17.720 angry individual.

01:30:18.860 Who would literally break bread with anyone and then stab them in the back.

01:30:22.420 And so for me,

01:30:23.800 like I said,

01:30:24.580 I fear nothing.

01:30:25.720 I was like,

01:30:26.140 really semester.

01:30:27.260 Daylight.

01:30:27.840 I will survive daylight.

01:30:29.200 I have always treated people with kindness and I have always worked very hard.

01:30:34.280 I tell the truth.

01:30:35.340 So there's nothing that Seth Dillon can expose about me.

01:30:37.640 That's going to hurt my feelings,

01:30:38.800 you know,

01:30:39.060 or,

01:30:39.240 or make me look like I'm a bad person.

01:30:41.100 He's genuinely a bad person.

01:30:42.460 So these were the sorts of individuals like last year when we were going through it,

01:30:46.040 where I was like,

01:30:46.520 am I,

01:30:47.040 did I misremember us being,

01:30:49.120 like me,

01:30:49.460 like putting everything on the line to help him?

01:30:51.600 And could he just give us silence for a couple of weeks?

01:30:54.060 Like,

01:30:54.160 just not,

01:30:54.380 just not,

01:30:54.680 just don't add in to the chorus.

01:30:55.600 I'm not asking you to defend me.

01:30:56.720 I'm asking you to not join in on the chorus of people that are coming after me.

01:30:59.360 It is just a weird world when you wake up and realize like Taylor Lorenz is obviously kind of deranged.

01:31:03.900 Her views are like repugnant to me.

01:31:06.400 I've made fun of Taylor Lorenz like for a living.

01:31:08.720 I've literally been paid to make fun of Taylor Lorenz.

01:31:10.720 I'll admit it.

01:31:11.780 But when you realize that she is actually a much more sincere and decent person than the guy who runs the Babylon Bee,

01:31:19.360 then you realize,

01:31:20.100 wow,

01:31:20.360 what's going on?

01:31:21.140 What's going on?

01:31:21.860 She's more sincere.

01:31:22.120 I disagree with her on everything,

01:31:23.660 but she's more sincere.

01:31:24.780 I don't think she's privately like being like,

01:31:26.520 I'm not scared of COVID.

01:31:27.400 She's scared of COVID.

01:31:29.140 You know what I mean?

01:31:29.700 So she's at least sincere.

01:31:30.880 She's wrong,

01:31:31.240 but she's sincere.

01:31:32.740 And yeah,

01:31:33.060 that's that.

01:31:33.620 But I think that's what last year really was is there,

01:31:36.080 there was this moment where it needed to happen.

01:31:38.500 There was this organic shedding where we got to see people for who they actually were.

01:31:42.560 And a lot of people didn't survive last year.

01:31:44.440 They're not the same.

01:31:45.240 You know,

01:31:45.360 it's not these people that were really big who spent all the time attacking.

01:31:48.720 Now people are looking at them going,

01:31:49.600 what was that?

01:31:50.300 Because you can't attack yourself into success,

01:31:52.180 right?

01:31:52.320 You can't step on somebody's head when they're drowning and think that people are not going to realize what you did.

01:31:56.280 Because like we said earlier,

01:31:57.780 at the end of the day,

01:31:58.520 you're not in a battle with Candace Owens.

01:31:59.520 You're in a battle with truth.

01:32:00.600 I wouldn't want to be on the side of lies when you're in a battle against truth.

01:32:04.240 Okay.

01:32:04.360 I told the truth.

01:32:05.580 I said,

01:32:06.200 Christ is king.

01:32:07.600 Whether I,

01:32:08.480 you know,

01:32:08.680 when I told even about Brigitte,

01:32:09.840 whatever it is,

01:32:10.380 whatever you're attacking me for,

01:32:12.180 eventually the truth is going to win.

01:32:14.540 And you guys keep banking on the lies.

01:32:16.340 And so I'm happy.

01:32:18.540 I'm very happy last year happened.

01:32:20.080 I was very happy to delete a lot of these people from my contacts.

01:32:23.740 And it was a clarifying year that I can only look back on and thank God.

01:32:28.500 You got to thank God for moments of clarity.

01:32:31.140 So maybe the interview I expected least was most surprised by,

01:32:35.100 but kind of weirdly delighted by was Harvey Weinstein.

01:32:37.920 What,

01:32:38.240 how did that happen?

01:32:39.140 What was the thinking?

01:32:40.080 You know,

01:32:40.240 the backstory of that actually is somebody in Harvey's orbit reached out to me while I was at the Daily Wire and said,

01:32:48.520 I'd really like you to get on the phone with Harvey.

01:32:49.760 I'd love for you to like,

01:32:50.560 think about sitting down and interviewing him and doing all this stuff.

01:32:53.120 And,

01:32:53.380 you know,

01:32:53.800 at that time I thought he was guilty of sin,

01:32:55.200 like everybody else did because there were just so many women.

01:32:59.140 And I was thinking,

01:33:00.300 wow,

01:33:00.420 he must be pretty desperate to want to like reach out to me.

01:33:02.300 I know he's left leaning.

01:33:03.300 Like,

01:33:03.660 I'll do it.

01:33:04.120 Sure.

01:33:04.380 Fine.

01:33:04.760 And I got on the phone with him in prison and was very surprised that he,

01:33:09.520 clearly this friend was kind of lying.

01:33:11.120 And he,

01:33:11.720 Oprah was being floated to do the interview.

01:33:13.580 And he's like,

01:33:14.200 why on earth would I give you this interview?

01:33:15.160 He was very,

01:33:16.400 very powerful.

01:33:17.540 And he,

01:33:18.200 I always describe it as Harvey has like a growl about him.

01:33:21.600 You could,

01:33:21.940 he's still very powerful.

01:33:24.660 And he kind of lashed me and said,

01:33:27.740 you know,

01:33:27.860 I support the ADL and talked about Kanye and talked about my support for Trump.

01:33:31.120 He was all over the place.

01:33:32.080 Still,

01:33:32.660 still a leftist in his prison cell.

01:33:34.100 And I was kind of amazed by this.

01:33:35.620 He lectured you about the ADL from prison?

01:33:37.440 From prison.

01:33:37.960 It was incredible.

01:33:39.460 My autobiography is going to be amazing.

01:33:41.440 If I ever sit down and write one,

01:33:42.700 like that's definitely a highlight.

01:33:44.140 I'm getting lectured.

01:33:44.900 By Harvey Weinstein is in prison.

01:33:47.280 And then I was sort of like,

01:33:49.960 I realized at that point that I was trying out for like one of his movies in a way.

01:33:54.360 And I had to kind of sell myself of like why I would,

01:33:56.540 I wanted to do the interview.

01:33:57.560 And then I thought this was so strange.

01:33:59.000 And then I hung up and I looked into the case because that person then sent me the stuff.

01:34:03.160 And I was just shocked.

01:34:04.500 I've never seen a crazier conviction in my entire life.

01:34:09.420 He literally got convicted because people were crying,

01:34:12.240 even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

01:34:14.180 I mean,

01:34:14.520 one case,

01:34:15.280 his argument is I wasn't even there.

01:34:17.900 I wasn't even there.

01:34:18.460 It's not even like,

01:34:19.000 it's not even like he's like,

01:34:19.420 I know this one.

01:34:19.960 He's like,

01:34:20.200 I was not,

01:34:20.940 I don't even stay at that hotel.

01:34:22.600 And I don't know this woman.

01:34:24.960 And the judge would not allow him talking about the corruption of courts to subpoena her cell phone records to see if she was even there.

01:34:32.120 It was the,

01:34:33.020 and that was the person that got him whatever,

01:34:35.220 15 years in LA who,

01:34:38.140 the cases are incredible.

01:34:39.440 You were raped by him over the course of 10 years.

01:34:42.840 Help me understand this.

01:34:45.140 And none of these women are young,

01:34:46.620 by the way,

01:34:47.100 because then I'm like,

01:34:47.580 maybe there was an argument.

01:34:48.740 They were 17 and he manipulated.

01:34:50.560 They were so young.

01:34:51.080 These women were 30 years old.

01:34:52.900 We know what this is.

01:34:53.780 This is a sugar baby traditional relationship.

01:34:55.800 This is how it's always been in Hollywood.

01:34:57.400 Young girls want careers.

01:34:58.580 They sleep with directors.

01:34:59.520 They do that stuff consensually.

01:35:01.080 And I think in the case of Harvey Weinstein,

01:35:03.260 because he actually cared very deeply about his movies,

01:35:06.200 they assumed he was going to give them these roles.

01:35:08.780 And he didn't.

01:35:09.660 He was just sort of like,

01:35:11.460 yeah,

01:35:11.660 I'm Harvey Weinstein.

01:35:12.620 These girls threw themselves at him thinking there was going to be an exchange.

01:35:15.560 And there just wasn't one.

01:35:17.020 And then if you look back on your life and now you're 50 and you slept with Harvey Weinstein,

01:35:21.860 like not the hottest Brad Pitt looking person.

01:35:25.440 You're like,

01:35:26.080 what did I get for this?

01:35:27.340 And you kind of then see this movement taking off and it's me too.

01:35:31.480 And suddenly it's,

01:35:33.600 you know,

01:35:34.120 he had the power and yeah.

01:35:36.280 So what?

01:35:36.620 I sent him a couple of emails saying,

01:35:38.020 I love you after he raped me,

01:35:39.720 which they did.

01:35:41.480 Cause that's what I guess.

01:35:42.840 Yeah.

01:35:43.060 No,

01:35:43.280 love you,

01:35:43.840 miss you.

01:35:44.480 But constantly the emails when you read through them,

01:35:46.660 because there's a trove of them are always them trying to be like,

01:35:50.240 Hey,

01:35:50.480 I hear there's an upcoming audition.

01:35:52.020 I'd love to attend the audition or I'm going to Cannes.

01:35:56.240 Can you get me some tickets?

01:35:57.180 I mean,

01:35:57.520 it is what it is.

01:35:58.580 This was your traditional oldest trade in the book is what I would say,

01:36:03.380 you know,

01:36:03.660 the oldest trade in the book.

01:36:04.700 So what,

01:36:05.220 I mean,

01:36:05.880 okay.

01:36:06.200 For a hardened anti-Semite Nazi like you,

01:36:09.540 you're defending the ADL defender,

01:36:13.200 Harvey Weinstein.

01:36:15.300 Like what?

01:36:15.600 I don't,

01:36:17.660 how did you,

01:36:18.320 why?

01:36:19.200 So a lot of people look at this and first of all,

01:36:21.040 I just want to say,

01:36:21.540 I support it.

01:36:22.280 Just that I'm joking,

01:36:23.260 but I support it only because I think that justice matters.

01:36:26.300 I know Harvey Weinstein.

01:36:27.280 He's a pig.

01:36:28.160 As you know,

01:36:28.720 doesn't mean he's a criminal.

01:36:30.540 And I just think it's important to convict people when they violate the law and not to convict them when they don't.

01:36:35.260 Right.

01:36:35.860 And truth is the most important thing.

01:36:37.280 So I support it,

01:36:38.540 but it is like of all the stories,

01:36:40.360 like what drew you to that?

01:36:41.680 Well,

01:36:41.840 because he was the beginning of the Me Too movement.

01:36:43.540 And I've had a gripe from the Me Too movement from the day that it trended on Twitter.

01:36:46.820 I mean,

01:36:47.080 you can go back.

01:36:48.040 I am left and right.

01:36:49.140 People were scared to say anything about the Me Too movement when it first happened because it was about rape and people are instantly uncomfortable.

01:36:55.080 And left and right,

01:36:56.080 people were just sort of reticent to say,

01:36:59.200 oh,

01:36:59.340 but don't we need to have due diligence here?

01:37:02.300 And people were losing their jobs left and right.

01:37:04.680 On the basis of an allegation because it was hashtag trending,

01:37:08.100 hashtag Me Too.

01:37:08.780 And right away when it first started trending,

01:37:10.680 It was mob justice.

01:37:11.640 Yep.

01:37:11.840 I said something against it and I almost got canceled.

01:37:14.780 Like I will never forget this.

01:37:16.420 Charlie Kirk,

01:37:17.220 we had to get together with the PR agents.

01:37:19.040 I was at turning point.

01:37:20.140 He had turning point girls that were quitting,

01:37:22.760 crying,

01:37:23.660 saying,

01:37:24.160 I was,

01:37:24.760 how could she not support the Me Too movement?

01:37:26.240 Like I was sexually,

01:37:27.140 it was totally,

01:37:28.340 and credit to Charlie Kirk.

01:37:29.460 Like he held down the line because,

01:37:30.740 you know,

01:37:30.880 like I said,

01:37:31.260 if you stand on truth,

01:37:32.900 eventually people catch up and realize that,

01:37:34.680 something's really wrong with this movement.

01:37:36.100 But Harvey was this case where I think the entire world agreed that he was,

01:37:40.120 must have been guilty of something.

01:37:41.540 There were just so many women that were coming out saying that this took place.

01:37:43.860 And his personal style was so,

01:37:45.780 you know,

01:37:45.980 he's like eating with his mouth open,

01:37:47.880 smoking in the elevator.

01:37:48.960 I mean,

01:37:49.060 I saw him do it.

01:37:49.700 Mm-hmm.

01:37:50.520 And so I think because he is just like this piggish,

01:37:53.920 overbearing,

01:37:54.940 crass guy,

01:37:56.060 which is not a crime.

01:37:57.700 Yeah.

01:37:58.540 You just want to see him go down.

01:37:59.840 Well,

01:37:59.960 then he must have done it.

01:38:00.920 Right.

01:38:01.500 And like,

01:38:02.400 are you really going to take the side of Harvey Weinstein?

01:38:04.740 Right.

01:38:05.240 He's today's villain.

01:38:06.460 And I thought I was just doing an interview where I was going to like,

01:38:08.840 you know,

01:38:09.080 push back,

01:38:09.880 get to the truth.

01:38:10.460 And when I looked at these cases,

01:38:11.580 I was just shocked.

01:38:13.520 You know,

01:38:13.900 what 90 women who came out and said he did something and it actually boiled down to three cases.

01:38:18.880 And in the two New York ones that he got 26 years for,

01:38:22.240 I mean,

01:38:22.600 just you read the emails.

01:38:23.860 It's crazy.

01:38:24.620 You just cannot come out of reading the emails from Jessica Mann and Evgenia,

01:38:30.680 I'm blanking on her last name and just go,

01:38:32.760 what happened here?

01:38:34.280 Like,

01:38:34.420 what do you mean you convicted him of rape on the basis of these emails alone?

01:38:39.140 Why would you then like,

01:38:40.540 has anybody ever,

01:38:41.440 and Jessica Mann clearly is the first person ever who's done this,

01:38:44.340 hit up their rapist after and been like,

01:38:45.820 Hey,

01:38:45.900 I'm with my mom in town.

01:38:46.940 Like,

01:38:47.080 can we come by,

01:38:47.960 you know,

01:38:48.340 do you want to meet my mom?

01:38:49.540 Because actually,

01:38:50.060 actually that's one of the emails post rape,

01:38:52.160 you know,

01:38:53.120 it's hard for me to believe that that's rape.

01:38:55.320 I don't believe in it.

01:38:56.660 Lucky I wasn't sitting on that jury.

01:38:59.580 And I think it does a tremendous disjustice,

01:39:02.400 injustice to two people.

01:39:04.520 First,

01:39:05.680 women,

01:39:06.400 right.

01:39:06.720 Who are actually raped.

01:39:07.860 Yeah,

01:39:08.020 of course.

01:39:08.600 Because if we're now saying all of this is rape,

01:39:10.560 and then people are just not going to be inclined to believe women who are

01:39:13.220 actually raped are going to go another rape situation.

01:39:15.740 Okay.

01:39:16.840 So that's it.

01:39:17.840 It's like,

01:39:18.180 you're,

01:39:18.320 you're softening what it means to be raped.

01:39:20.280 But the second thing is I have three sons.

01:39:22.400 This case mattered to me because my son's lives are now threatened by this

01:39:27.120 movement that said,

01:39:28.640 hashtag believe women.

01:39:30.840 Women lie.

01:39:31.820 They lie a lot.

01:39:32.900 Right.

01:39:33.380 I mean,

01:39:33.900 and so why don't we do this crazy thing and just believe the facts and follow the facts of the case.

01:39:40.460 And so I was very concerned when this movement just kind of got carried away.

01:39:44.480 I even had to defend someone who I don't like, Matt Lauer.

01:39:46.680 That was a crazy case.

01:39:47.860 Very clearly had a consensual relationship all over New York with that intern.

01:39:53.440 Yes.

01:39:53.760 But she was raped the first time.

01:39:55.780 And then,

01:39:56.660 you know,

01:39:56.880 all the other times apparently it wasn't rape,

01:39:58.840 but it doesn't really matter because here's a check.

01:40:00.320 Right.

01:40:01.180 And that's what happened.

01:40:01.800 And to this day,

01:40:02.660 he carries on being branded a rapist.

01:40:05.640 Like people still say that about Matt Lauer because somebody made an allegation.

01:40:10.440 And when you look at the facts,

01:40:11.360 it's like,

01:40:11.660 no,

01:40:12.000 he was a scumbag.

01:40:13.240 He was cheating on his wife.

01:40:14.520 He was abusing his power.

01:40:15.720 Certainly because the people,

01:40:16.980 the reason they probably want to sleep with him is because he was Matt Lauer of the Today Show.

01:40:20.780 But to call him a rapist,

01:40:21.780 like,

01:40:21.920 is that fair?

01:40:22.700 I agree.

01:40:23.200 Is that okay?

01:40:24.220 Can we at least all say,

01:40:25.660 I don't care whether you're left or right,

01:40:26.900 but that's wrong.

01:40:28.220 And that was the challenge of the Harvey Weinstein case.

01:40:30.040 I know a lot about that story just for,

01:40:32.200 well,

01:40:32.400 because that's the world I lived in.

01:40:33.480 I knew him.

01:40:34.680 And I,

01:40:35.440 everything you said,

01:40:36.140 just said is true.

01:40:36.980 Of course.

01:40:37.520 I mean,

01:40:38.100 I am a woman.

01:40:39.600 I clearly know that women will flirt with guys to get what they want,

01:40:45.880 even if it's a drink at a bar.

01:40:47.380 So you can only imagine Hollywood where you welcome that climate of exchange.

01:40:51.200 Women who are just want to be the next Angelina Jolie.

01:40:54.000 They all think they're going to be the next Angelina Jolie.

01:40:55.880 What they'd be willing to do for that part.

01:40:58.260 And Harvey benefited from that.

01:41:00.460 He was Harvey Weinstein.

01:41:01.360 He's making the best movies that have been made in Hollywood.

01:41:03.020 And honestly,

01:41:04.760 I'd argue that movies haven't been great since Harvey went in,

01:41:07.700 right?

01:41:08.700 His movies were like,

01:41:09.820 I mean,

01:41:10.040 every classic movie that you can think of Harvey Weinstein,

01:41:13.400 the Weinstein company produced the mirror.

01:41:15.780 What was it called?

01:41:16.360 Mirror.

01:41:17.500 I can't think of the company's name.

01:41:18.400 Miramax was his company had produced.

01:41:21.140 So it's a lot.

01:41:22.180 It was a lot to unpack.

01:41:23.260 And yet they still moved.

01:41:26.580 You know,

01:41:26.800 obviously the appellate judges said this case was completely ridiculous.

01:41:29.780 It was rigged.

01:41:30.560 Why did you guys even allow these people into the courtroom just to convict his character,

01:41:33.580 not based on the facts?

01:41:34.400 And it got sent back down.

01:41:35.620 But he just lost again on two of the cases.

01:41:39.860 And so I just interviewed him.

01:41:41.500 And that interview is coming out today.

01:41:45.000 Again,

01:41:45.460 to ask him,

01:41:46.260 okay,

01:41:46.980 here's a broader question,

01:41:48.580 Harvey,

01:41:49.000 who hates you?

01:41:49.740 Because this is so clearly,

01:41:51.140 somebody took you out.

01:41:52.140 And that's how I look at the case now.

01:41:54.120 Who were you involved with?

01:41:55.260 Who did you piss off that wanted you to no longer be who you were in Hollywood?

01:41:59.760 Because this is,

01:42:00.280 this is power.

01:42:00.960 This is a structure.

01:42:01.660 The judges are allowing this to take place for a reason.

01:42:04.280 And his answers were quite interesting,

01:42:06.740 you know,

01:42:07.040 and I think Harvey Weinstein did upset a lot of powerful people.

01:42:10.920 And he was honest about that.

01:42:13.200 I get it.

01:42:14.180 I have no trouble believing that at all,

01:42:15.960 given his style,

01:42:17.040 which is like totally overbearing and awful.

01:42:20.720 But throwing someone in prison for the rest of his life is,

01:42:25.220 you know,

01:42:26.000 it's too much.

01:42:26.760 He said Gloria Allred told him if she paid him,

01:42:29.380 and I view her as a gangster of sorts,

01:42:31.660 everyone knows how she moves.

01:42:32.800 When she's on a case,

01:42:33.480 she doesn't lose.

01:42:34.560 That if he had paid her,

01:42:36.460 and I want to say it was a million dollars,

01:42:37.800 don't quote me,

01:42:38.680 that it would go away.

01:42:39.980 She could go away.

01:42:40.920 He didn't do it.

01:42:41.860 Yeah.

01:42:42.600 That's what he told me on record.

01:42:44.180 So it's,

01:42:44.920 it's people are going to hear it from his own mouth.

01:42:46.940 But that tells me that we're looking at maybe something different.

01:42:49.740 And what was the Me Too movement?

01:42:51.460 And I've spoken to other people that were victims of it.

01:42:53.900 And they alleged to me that a lot of it has to do with publishing rights,

01:42:58.500 that if they want to take out a business,

01:43:00.840 you can take out,

01:43:01.880 force a person to essentially have to sell their business and their assets if you can create a scandal.

01:43:04.960 And I'm inclined to believe that after examining the Michael Jackson case,

01:43:10.780 because he was in a war with Sony over publishing rights.

01:43:15.160 And suddenly he was being accused.

01:43:18.280 And I didn't remember much about that case.

01:43:19.820 But then when I went and I looked at it,

01:43:21.040 it was a crazy story of like a kid who was drugged by his dad to say that he was raped by Michael Jackson.

01:43:26.780 Literally,

01:43:27.100 he was drugged by his father.

01:43:29.320 And so you start to wonder if there's a lot of stuff that's happening in Hollywood that many people have tried to speak out about.

01:43:34.540 And those people have either been deemed crazy or in the case of Michael Jackson,

01:43:38.980 you just know he's into children.

01:43:40.420 And we sort of pay attention to the media circus of everything without realizing that like there could be other stuff happening in Hollywood.

01:43:46.800 Do you think it's possible that Michael Jackson was not a child molester?

01:43:49.300 I am now convinced after looking at the case that he was not and that he was at a war with Sony.

01:43:55.340 And I did a whole episode on it.

01:43:57.300 I was shocked because I grew up loving Michael Jackson.

01:43:59.580 And then I was absolutely repulsed by Michael Jackson.

01:44:02.800 Like he meant so much in my childhood.

01:44:04.860 And then I was repulsed by Michael Jackson.

01:44:07.220 And then I decided to re-examine what happened.

01:44:10.640 And I just,

01:44:11.120 I couldn't believe it.

01:44:11.920 I mean,

01:44:12.100 I literally could not believe.

01:44:14.200 Like Harvey Weinstein.

01:44:14.920 He was winning.

01:44:15.500 He was going to win the Beatles catalog.

01:44:17.820 It was his.

01:44:18.660 He was fighting Sony and winning.

01:44:20.480 And then just like that,

01:44:22.320 scandal broke dead.

01:44:24.600 Even the way he died is weird,

01:44:25.960 you know,

01:44:26.160 but like,

01:44:26.600 you know,

01:44:27.180 it was,

01:44:27.780 it was a lot.

01:44:28.280 When you go back and look at that case,

01:44:29.680 you realize the media tells you so much,

01:44:31.320 but they tell you absolutely nothing.

01:44:34.540 Michael Jackson was weird in the same way that Harvey Weinstein was obnoxious.

01:44:39.280 In the same way that Richard Jewell seemed like a fake cop.

01:44:42.080 The guy was blamed for the Atlanta Olympics bombing in 96 who didn't do it.

01:44:46.300 They kind of fit your preconceptions of what a bad guy like that would be.

01:44:51.580 You know,

01:44:52.660 Michael Jackson living Neverland is weird kind of personal Disney with all these little kids.

01:44:58.260 You're like,

01:44:58.580 he's clearly a kid toucher.

01:45:00.380 And he definitely had issues because he felt that he had his childhood stolen from him.

01:45:04.220 So he kind of made it his priority in this,

01:45:05.820 I would say,

01:45:06.140 very creepy way to constantly say,

01:45:08.080 I'm going to create this Neverland ranch.

01:45:09.380 And so kids are never going to go through anything.

01:45:10.720 But it's quite telling that he was so close above with anybody else with Macaulay Culkin,

01:45:15.900 right?

01:45:16.560 Also,

01:45:17.060 another person who alleged that he was being raped by directors was that Corey,

01:45:20.400 I'm going to say Corey,

01:45:22.780 maybe Feldman.

01:45:23.880 Yeah.

01:45:24.120 And he's,

01:45:24.420 he's been vocal about how he was abused.

01:45:25.940 And both of those people said,

01:45:27.280 absolutely never,

01:45:27.980 not once did Michael Jackson do anything to them.

01:45:29.860 They stood up for him.

01:45:31.060 And then when you get into the people that said that he did something and you figure out

01:45:35.760 what their motives were,

01:45:36.660 one's drugged,

01:45:37.420 one was paid.

01:45:38.800 The Michael Jackson story gets completely crazy.

01:45:41.480 And so what you had was a man who was stunted in his growth because of his childhood,

01:45:45.900 who wanted to make the world a special magical place for people.

01:45:50.140 And he became the,

01:45:50.960 you know,

01:45:51.180 the perfect,

01:45:51.620 I mean,

01:45:51.840 he won his case.

01:45:52.600 So we can say Michael Jackson was not guilty,

01:45:54.260 right?

01:45:54.340 He actually won his case once the jury saw all the evidence.

01:45:57.700 But yeah,

01:45:58.600 it's kind of scary to think that a media circus can be,

01:46:00.620 created about you.

01:46:01.340 And people can believe things just like we were saying with Matt Lauer.

01:46:03.840 Yes.

01:46:04.360 Absent very little fact because the media just keeps saying it.

01:46:07.800 And that gets into the importance of why I select and get,

01:46:10.760 you know,

01:46:11.540 I'm like a dog with a bone on certain cases,

01:46:13.640 the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni case is another one.

01:46:16.760 Again,

01:46:17.060 Justin Baldoni is Jewish,

01:46:18.300 obviously.

01:46:19.320 So is Steve Sarwitz.

01:46:21.040 I'm like the worst anti-Semite ever.

01:46:22.520 Here I am defending these people.

01:46:24.180 But it's the same thing.

01:46:25.620 She went to the press and tried to smear this man and ruin his existence by claiming,

01:46:30.280 in so many words,

01:46:32.160 that he had sexually harassed her.

01:46:34.060 And she made him sound,

01:46:35.440 with the help of the New York Times,

01:46:37.200 like he was an absolute creep,

01:46:39.780 a pervert,

01:46:40.540 a sex-addicted pervert.

01:46:41.600 If you read that article,

01:46:42.380 you took away that Justin Baldoni was a sex-addicted pervert,

01:46:45.640 right?

01:46:46.060 And poor Blake Lively had to survive doing a movie with him.

01:46:49.500 If Brian Friedman had not done what he had done

01:46:52.340 and published the entire,

01:46:55.160 he said nothing to hide,

01:46:55.960 every text message sent between Blake and Justin and Ryan Reynolds,

01:47:01.000 the world would have believed what she and the New York Times had worked on.

01:47:06.080 It was,

01:47:06.420 it's a shocking case.

01:47:07.800 People are going,

01:47:08.160 oh,

01:47:08.260 it's just like celebrity drama.

01:47:09.080 No,

01:47:09.240 this isn't celebrity drama.

01:47:10.220 This is so much deeper than that.

01:47:11.360 Okay.

01:47:11.880 We are talking about the corruption of the media

01:47:16.200 who has the trust of the people.

01:47:18.320 Like you're an educated person,

01:47:19.680 you read the New York Times,

01:47:20.580 right?

01:47:20.760 The New York Times essentially assisted in a hit on a man.

01:47:25.440 For what reason?

01:47:26.140 What did Blake actually want from Justin Baldoni?

01:47:28.400 Publishing rights.

01:47:29.700 And we got to read her messages

01:47:30.680 and she wanted to be put on the film

01:47:32.320 and she wanted to be put as a producer,

01:47:33.640 executive producer or else,

01:47:35.220 right?

01:47:35.580 You do this or else threatening.

01:47:37.520 So I'm not going to come back here on my demands.

01:47:39.340 I mean a total witch.

01:47:42.420 Truly that woman is possessed.

01:47:44.020 I cannot,

01:47:44.380 I cannot,

01:47:44.820 after reading those messages

01:47:45.880 and Justin falling over himself

01:47:47.760 because he was like,

01:47:48.660 she's an A-lister just to,

01:47:50.000 he was almost like pathetic.

01:47:51.460 Like stand up for yourself at a certain point.

01:47:54.660 And what's happening right now,

01:47:56.040 like in the court system in New York,

01:47:57.880 they're allowing her to,

01:48:00.600 I don't know,

01:48:01.080 like it just seems like it's a very corrupt case.

01:48:03.440 But what happened to Justin Baldoni,

01:48:04.820 it is everyone should be reading those messages

01:48:06.880 and realizing what the New York Times took part in

01:48:08.860 because we're seeing this happen over and over again

01:48:11.140 where the media,

01:48:12.780 like the journalists are acting like assassins, right?

01:48:15.080 These are,

01:48:15.400 these are assassins.

01:48:16.040 These are assassinations, right?

01:48:17.080 You're going to hit someone.

01:48:18.220 You're going to hit their entire career.

01:48:19.600 They're called hit pieces.

01:48:20.580 They're called hit pieces for a reason

01:48:21.720 because most people cannot survive them.

01:48:23.680 Matt Lauer did not survive it.

01:48:25.380 Okay.

01:48:25.640 That's over.

01:48:26.360 Matt Lauer's career.

01:48:26.880 He moved to New Zealand.

01:48:27.420 Yeah.

01:48:27.600 I didn't know he moved to New Zealand.

01:48:28.880 Yeah, he did.

01:48:29.280 Yeah.

01:48:29.460 He did not survive it.

01:48:30.620 Michael Jackson to this day,

01:48:32.020 you don't know the facts of the Michael Jackson case,

01:48:33.600 right?

01:48:33.760 You know,

01:48:34.400 do you think he did it,

01:48:35.200 blah, blah, blah.

01:48:35.800 Well,

01:48:38.860 but that's the point.

01:48:39.800 You don't know anything,

01:48:41.080 but the media makes you think you do enough

01:48:43.000 that you can have an assessment,

01:48:44.140 which I was like you,

01:48:45.980 Michael Jackson's guilty.

01:48:47.360 I totally believe that.

01:48:48.380 Look at the guy.

01:48:48.980 He had plastic surgery.

01:48:49.940 He must be a job molester.

01:48:51.120 Harvey Weinstein was guilty.

01:48:52.080 Exactly.

01:48:53.100 Enough of noise from the media.

01:48:55.000 And we just,

01:48:55.940 we don't even look for facts anymore.

01:48:57.100 And I want people who watch my show

01:48:59.500 to be trained in recognizing those patterns

01:49:02.020 when actually they're saying a lot,

01:49:03.620 but they're not really saying much.

01:49:04.980 You are watching a team of trained assassins

01:49:08.620 take someone out.

01:49:09.920 For what reason?

01:49:10.700 I don't know.

01:49:11.260 Then we can become,

01:49:12.000 you know,

01:49:12.200 we can come up with conspiracies,

01:49:13.560 but that's what this is,

01:49:14.880 right?

01:49:15.080 That's what this is.

01:49:15.720 You're,

01:49:15.900 they're ignoring facts

01:49:17.120 because if they had presented the facts,

01:49:18.660 none of us would have thought those things

01:49:19.760 about Harvey Weinstein.

01:49:20.740 We would have just said,

01:49:21.480 he's a creep who abuses power

01:49:23.180 and he should step down

01:49:24.180 because nobody who's running a company

01:49:26.020 should be sleeping with all of these women

01:49:27.340 and cheating on his wife.

01:49:28.740 Like it's,

01:49:29.100 you know,

01:49:29.260 it's,

01:49:29.460 it's moral.

01:49:30.180 It's morally wrong.

01:49:31.400 Yeah.

01:49:32.300 Not criminally wrong.

01:49:33.160 Criminally wrong.

01:49:34.280 It's interesting how you select your stories.

01:49:36.340 It's non-ideological.

01:49:38.120 Yeah.

01:49:38.780 It's your,

01:49:39.400 your,

01:49:39.700 your,

01:49:39.960 your interest seems to be,

01:49:41.580 is it true or not?

01:49:42.820 It's principled.

01:49:43.900 I don't care how you vote.

01:49:44.860 I don't care if you give to the ADL.

01:49:45.800 I'm on their list.

01:49:46.700 Like I'm literally on the ADL's list

01:49:48.100 and Harvey Weinstein's like

01:49:48.960 one of their biggest donors.

01:49:49.800 It doesn't matter to me.

01:49:50.680 Do I think he did this thing?

01:49:52.120 Why does it matter?

01:49:52.700 Because my sons have to grow up in that world.

01:49:54.260 I have three sons.

01:49:55.440 So yeah,

01:49:55.880 I have a stake in this.

01:49:56.880 We can't just have women

01:49:57.800 going to the New York Times

01:49:59.360 and making allegations.

01:50:00.520 It was also New York Times

01:50:01.340 with Harvey Weinstein.

01:50:02.680 They were awarded Pulitzers

01:50:03.860 and we can't just have this happening.

01:50:07.180 We can't have people

01:50:08.360 having their lives ruined

01:50:10.140 by the press

01:50:11.320 absent any facts.

01:50:13.460 And so there are tons of people

01:50:14.260 that come to me

01:50:14.780 and want me to take on their stories

01:50:15.940 and I try to take on

01:50:18.500 as many as I can.

01:50:19.780 You know,

01:50:19.900 right now I'm obviously

01:50:20.720 very much interested

01:50:21.720 in the Epstein case.

01:50:23.220 And so that's where

01:50:23.980 I'm focusing my attention,

01:50:25.180 the Epstein case.

01:50:25.960 What do you think that was?

01:50:28.280 The Epstein case.

01:50:29.180 I would say Israel,

01:50:32.040 obviously.

01:50:33.560 And again,

01:50:34.240 I'm so tired of us being gaslit.

01:50:36.620 It's the dumbest gaslighting

01:50:38.280 of all time.

01:50:40.580 On record,

01:50:41.680 okay,

01:50:41.900 when Pam Bondi said,

01:50:44.220 like I just,

01:50:45.580 I can't even,

01:50:47.740 this was just a moment

01:50:48.600 where I was like,

01:50:49.340 okay,

01:50:49.720 like F you,

01:50:50.400 you guys hate us.

01:50:51.140 Like you just like,

01:50:51.580 you don't even,

01:50:51.880 you have so much power.

01:50:53.140 Why don't you just come out

01:50:53.720 and say,

01:50:54.400 na-na-na-boo-boo,

01:50:55.140 you can't touch us,

01:50:56.040 F you.

01:50:56.520 I would rather you do that,

01:50:58.060 right?

01:50:58.340 Yes.

01:50:58.640 Then put on this pretense

01:51:00.060 of a conference

01:51:01.320 and then you've got Trump over here

01:51:03.100 being like,

01:51:03.860 does anybody still care

01:51:04.500 about Jeffrey Epstein?

01:51:05.260 And then Pam Bondi

01:51:06.160 has asked the question,

01:51:07.580 you know,

01:51:08.180 was he working

01:51:08.960 for another country?

01:51:10.000 And she says,

01:51:10.940 you don't know,

01:51:12.160 right?

01:51:12.860 You don't know?

01:51:14.160 So in my series,

01:51:15.140 I'm like,

01:51:15.640 maybe we can help them.

01:51:16.440 Maybe we can help

01:51:17.220 the deep state

01:51:18.580 figure out

01:51:19.220 who Jeffrey Epstein

01:51:20.340 was working for.

01:51:20.900 Here is Ari Ben-Manash

01:51:22.900 who was a Mossad agent

01:51:24.700 who is on record,

01:51:26.680 literally recorded.

01:51:27.420 Let's listen to him

01:51:28.060 tell us about

01:51:29.060 how Jeffrey Epstein

01:51:30.460 was working for the Mossad.

01:51:31.740 Okay,

01:51:32.080 Ari Ben-Manash

01:51:32.900 worked for Mossad

01:51:33.360 and he's saying that

01:51:34.160 Robert Maxwell

01:51:35.400 brought him

01:51:36.720 to Jeffrey Epstein

01:51:37.980 and said,

01:51:38.500 let this guy in.

01:51:39.500 He's going to be involved

01:51:40.280 in weapons.

01:51:40.900 Hey, Pam Bondi,

01:51:41.780 you might have missed this one.

01:51:42.900 Okay,

01:51:43.300 you might have missed this one.

01:51:43.920 Then you go to another

01:51:44.880 person

01:51:45.960 who is on record,

01:51:48.160 who is Victor Otrovsky,

01:51:49.340 who defected

01:51:49.860 from the Mossad notoriously.

01:51:50.960 The Mossad admits

01:51:51.580 he worked for the Mossad.

01:51:52.500 He wrote a book

01:51:53.060 by deception

01:51:54.240 or by deception only.

01:51:55.620 He says that's

01:51:56.040 the Mossad motto,

01:51:57.000 which they obviously do that.

01:51:58.380 That's why they,

01:51:58.820 you know,

01:51:59.200 execute all these false flags.

01:52:00.680 And he told everybody

01:52:01.740 the truth.

01:52:02.680 He has said,

01:52:03.920 Jeffrey Epstein

01:52:04.600 was working with us.

01:52:05.620 So for whatever reason,

01:52:07.240 Candace Owens

01:52:07.940 is able to determine

01:52:08.900 whether or not

01:52:10.020 Jeffrey Epstein

01:52:11.080 might have been working

01:52:11.720 for another state,

01:52:12.560 but Pam Bondi,

01:52:13.800 they're just going to have

01:52:14.980 to keep surmising

01:52:16.600 about whether or not

01:52:17.900 Jeffrey Epstein,

01:52:19.820 who,

01:52:20.280 with Ghislaine Maxwell,

01:52:21.740 her father being Robert Maxwell,

01:52:23.240 one of the biggest lies,

01:52:24.260 by the way,

01:52:24.720 that's told,

01:52:25.500 and I debunked this

01:52:26.340 in our first

01:52:27.160 or third Epstein episode,

01:52:29.320 is the idea that,

01:52:30.800 oh, well,

01:52:31.340 yeah,

01:52:31.500 Robert Maxwell,

01:52:32.060 they admit he was a Mossad agent,

01:52:33.260 but Epstein didn't know him.

01:52:34.520 The story they try to tell now

01:52:35.940 in fashion to the public

01:52:36.760 is like Ghislaine

01:52:37.440 and Jeffrey Epstein

01:52:38.520 met after her dad was dead.

01:52:39.740 That's just false.

01:52:40.820 Again,

01:52:41.100 Ari Ben-Munash

01:52:41.820 tells the story

01:52:42.560 of being brought into the office

01:52:43.880 and being told

01:52:44.640 that Epstein

01:52:45.460 was going to be brought in.

01:52:46.520 This was the Iran-Contra scandal.

01:52:48.100 So since the 80s,

01:52:48.900 Jeffrey Epstein

01:52:49.380 has been working for Israel.

01:52:51.220 I don't know how I know that

01:52:52.400 and Trump and Pam Bondi don't,

01:52:54.000 but they got to bring me in.

01:52:54.840 Like,

01:52:54.940 I might have some evidence here,

01:52:56.160 right?

01:52:56.600 It's like,

01:52:57.520 so it's,

01:52:58.020 we're getting to a point now.

01:52:59.140 You're going to have

01:52:59.540 tough confirmation hearings.

01:53:00.960 I just want them to say F you.

01:53:03.720 Like,

01:53:03.940 seriously,

01:53:04.860 that would feel better

01:53:05.700 at this point

01:53:06.400 if they just came out

01:53:07.300 and said,

01:53:08.020 F you,

01:53:08.860 na-na-na-boo-boo,

01:53:09.700 you can't touch us,

01:53:11.000 we rule over you,

01:53:12.020 ha-ha.

01:53:12.660 That would feel

01:53:13.480 at least authentic.

01:53:14.880 Going back to the

01:53:15.340 Taylor-Lorence thing,

01:53:16.280 you know,

01:53:16.920 I'd be like,

01:53:17.540 I really don't like that,

01:53:19.260 but at least it's authentic

01:53:20.380 and I know you mean it

01:53:21.400 and it's true.

01:53:24.500 All totally fair.

01:53:26.180 Does any of,

01:53:27.660 I mean,

01:53:28.060 to the extent that we can

01:53:28.860 project forward and guess,

01:53:30.680 does any of this come out?

01:53:32.580 I mean,

01:53:33.220 to a greater extent than it has.

01:53:34.500 I mean,

01:53:34.720 is there ever like

01:53:35.440 a public resolution

01:53:36.240 of this story?

01:53:37.220 No,

01:53:37.420 because Israel's

01:53:38.120 controlling our government.

01:53:39.280 So no,

01:53:39.720 the answer is no.

01:53:40.440 Trump is powerless against him.

01:53:41.780 We haven't had,

01:53:42.760 I don't think we've been

01:53:43.360 a sovereign nation

01:53:44.060 since they shot JFK.

01:53:45.280 And when I say they,

01:53:46.120 it's like people online say,

01:53:47.440 what do you mean by they?

01:53:49.120 I'm talking about Israel.

01:53:50.040 I don't want you guys

01:53:50.700 to like,

01:53:51.160 you know,

01:53:51.320 I'm talking about Israel.

01:53:52.960 So like,

01:53:53.240 let's stop making that

01:53:54.020 a taboo subject

01:53:54.760 because they've gone mask down.

01:53:56.560 Everything they're doing

01:53:57.060 is demonic.

01:53:57.580 I want nothing to do with it.

01:53:58.420 I will never support Israel

01:53:59.580 into the future

01:54:00.080 after what they've done

01:54:00.680 to these children.

01:54:01.560 The starvation campaign.

01:54:02.760 I don't care.

01:54:03.960 Please write your article.

01:54:04.980 You've already written them all.

01:54:05.740 I don't know what you could add

01:54:06.620 about me,

01:54:07.800 but I do not support Israel

01:54:09.260 and I don't think

01:54:10.160 that Jewish Americans

01:54:10.940 should support Israel.

01:54:11.640 And I hope that they're now

01:54:12.500 having those conversations.

01:54:13.740 I see many of them recognizing

01:54:14.980 that they have been propagandized

01:54:17.000 into believing

01:54:17.460 they have to support

01:54:18.200 this demonic state.

01:54:19.240 And that's in large part

01:54:20.640 thanks to their birthright trip.

01:54:22.780 Yeah,

01:54:22.940 that mask down moment

01:54:24.120 for Jonathan Greenblatt

01:54:25.180 of the ADL

01:54:25.880 when he got caught

01:54:26.700 on the hot mic.

01:54:28.500 It was released.

01:54:29.520 He didn't know

01:54:29.820 that he was being recorded.

01:54:30.820 And he's like saying

01:54:32.220 that they've got to get

01:54:32.840 TikTok under control

01:54:33.860 because like we have

01:54:34.360 a generational issue

01:54:35.580 with TikTok.

01:54:36.460 We need to do something

01:54:37.860 about this

01:54:38.400 like what we did

01:54:39.200 with birthright.

01:54:40.140 What does that tell you?

01:54:41.780 That the entire purpose

01:54:43.280 of that birthright trip

01:54:44.440 telling every Jewish American

01:54:45.700 you forget a free trip

01:54:47.000 to Israel

01:54:47.580 was to propagandize you

01:54:49.360 into believing

01:54:50.300 that you have some affinity

01:54:51.360 with this made up country

01:54:52.800 in the Middle East

01:54:53.440 like in 1948

01:54:54.520 that you have to,

01:54:55.920 you know,

01:54:56.360 react when something's

01:54:57.340 happening to them

01:54:58.040 or you have to look away

01:54:59.140 when they're doing things

01:55:00.260 that are so obviously

01:55:01.060 wrong and demonic.

01:55:02.580 And so I'm hoping now

01:55:03.360 that we're getting to that point

01:55:04.280 where people can recognize

01:55:05.480 that whether you're Black,

01:55:07.400 you don't have to agree

01:55:08.220 with BLM,

01:55:08.860 whether you're,

01:55:09.680 allowing your identity

01:55:11.140 to shape your morality

01:55:12.960 is problematic,

01:55:14.300 okay?

01:55:15.240 And Israel

01:55:15.780 in and of itself

01:55:17.040 is the demonic nation.

01:55:18.000 I will never support Israel,

01:55:19.180 right?

01:55:19.320 So I went from

01:55:20.020 working for PragerU

01:55:21.060 to I will never support Israel.

01:55:23.780 And so that's how much

01:55:24.740 the scales have fallen

01:55:25.720 from my eyes

01:55:26.400 about what they are involved in.

01:55:28.200 And if this isn't

01:55:29.040 your wake-up call

01:55:29.780 to just look at the footage

01:55:31.280 of what they are doing,

01:55:32.060 they're playing hunger games

01:55:33.300 and like throwing food at them

01:55:35.420 and then killing people

01:55:36.340 and seeing who survives,

01:55:37.560 you, I mean,

01:55:39.420 it's just at your fingertips.

01:55:40.680 You have to take a look

01:55:41.260 at what Israel is doing.

01:55:43.720 Your point that

01:55:44.880 if you allow your identity

01:55:46.480 to determine your morality

01:55:48.260 is a very deep

01:55:49.580 and I think important point

01:55:51.920 that I've never heard

01:55:53.560 anybody put it that way.

01:55:56.140 But it does feel like

01:55:57.480 we're moving toward a world

01:55:58.720 in which, you know,

01:56:00.500 all ethics are situational

01:56:01.880 and it all depends

01:56:02.740 on who I am

01:56:03.540 and who my tribe is

01:56:04.500 and what my identity is

01:56:06.080 and there isn't,

01:56:08.040 to the extent

01:56:08.340 there used to be

01:56:08.940 a sense of like

01:56:09.800 universal standards

01:56:10.960 that apply to everyone

01:56:11.820 otherwise known as principles.

01:56:13.220 You clearly operate

01:56:14.160 by those principles.

01:56:16.020 Does that accelerate

01:56:17.920 or do we return

01:56:19.120 to a moment

01:56:19.740 where we can say,

01:56:20.480 oh, no,

01:56:20.740 there are universal standards

01:56:21.920 of behavior.

01:56:23.340 Truth is an unchanging thing

01:56:25.580 whether we have it or not

01:56:26.400 is debatable,

01:56:26.960 but there is something

01:56:28.120 called truth.

01:56:29.080 There is an actual reality

01:56:30.720 or does AI

01:56:32.820 just make all of it?

01:56:34.840 I think the people

01:56:36.240 that we're fighting

01:56:36.960 wish that AI

01:56:38.160 could make everything.

01:56:39.140 I am troubled by AI.

01:56:41.160 I'm troubled by people

01:56:41.900 believing that AI is smart.

01:56:43.220 It's obviously dumb.

01:56:44.560 It requires you

01:56:45.780 not to read books

01:56:46.500 and to believe

01:56:47.140 that everything it spins out

01:56:48.420 which is really just,

01:56:52.000 they're scraping the internet,

01:56:53.540 right?

01:56:53.700 That's all it's doing.

01:56:54.140 It's just derivative

01:56:54.460 of what other people have written.

01:56:55.160 Which then gives the power

01:56:55.560 to the same people

01:56:56.240 in the New York Times.

01:56:57.080 It's like they're just scraping

01:56:58.280 the trusted sources

01:56:59.100 and telling you this is a fact

01:57:00.040 when it's not a fact.

01:57:01.960 But I very much believe

01:57:03.740 that something is happening

01:57:04.620 globally right now,

01:57:05.460 spiritually.

01:57:05.920 I think me even surviving

01:57:07.160 last year is proof of that,

01:57:08.480 obviously.

01:57:09.480 If lies were willing.

01:57:10.180 Well, and not just surviving,

01:57:11.540 I should point out

01:57:12.060 since you're not a braggart,

01:57:14.240 I mean thriving in a way

01:57:15.640 that nobody would have predicted

01:57:17.280 as measured by your numbers

01:57:20.200 on your podcast,

01:57:21.160 as measured by your family output.

01:57:24.080 Now you're the mother of four.

01:57:25.380 I don't even know how you have a baby

01:57:27.520 in the middle of all that,

01:57:28.280 but you did.

01:57:28.820 You're thriving.

01:57:31.360 Yeah.

01:57:31.600 Which is amazing.

01:57:32.360 I never would have guessed that ever.

01:57:34.780 I hope that people take away

01:57:36.160 from me living through it

01:57:38.300 and surviving

01:57:38.800 and coming out the other side

01:57:39.760 is that it isn't worth your soul

01:57:41.600 to tell a lie.

01:57:42.660 You know, tell the truth.

01:57:43.740 And that seems harder.

01:57:45.520 Certainly in that moment

01:57:46.480 of temptation feels harder

01:57:47.820 when you're being promised the world.

01:57:49.700 If you just don't say this thing,

01:57:51.620 you know,

01:57:51.940 everything will stay the same.

01:57:53.080 If you just pretend

01:57:53.880 like you don't see

01:57:54.500 what's happening in Gaza,

01:57:55.400 you know,

01:57:56.300 you can have your life

01:57:57.220 the way that you like it.

01:57:58.660 That is,

01:57:59.940 in my viewpoint,

01:58:01.620 that is being tempted by Satan.

01:58:03.400 That really is.

01:58:04.260 And that is why

01:58:05.000 they want you to be attached to money,

01:58:06.540 right?

01:58:06.860 That is why

01:58:07.480 they don't even know

01:58:08.660 how to

01:58:09.520 try to destroy me

01:58:11.400 outside of saying,

01:58:12.300 we're going to financially

01:58:13.120 crush you, right?

01:58:14.420 We're going to keep you in lawsuits.

01:58:15.520 We're going to sue you.

01:58:16.780 I'm going to sue you

01:58:17.300 for $8 billion

01:58:18.100 because there's no truth

01:58:19.820 in these people.

01:58:20.580 Like money is all,

01:58:21.640 that is the only motive.

01:58:22.520 That's their only real power.

01:58:24.300 And so I hope that

01:58:25.260 when people,

01:58:26.900 you know,

01:58:27.280 the millions of people

01:58:27.660 that listen to my podcast

01:58:28.600 every single day,

01:58:29.720 that they get that

01:58:31.000 there is something

01:58:32.100 way bigger than that,

01:58:33.600 way higher authority

01:58:35.000 to that.

01:58:36.060 And when you commit yourself

01:58:37.680 to truth,

01:58:38.420 right?

01:58:38.780 What is Jesus?

01:58:39.700 Jesus is the way

01:58:41.260 and the truth

01:58:42.320 and the life,

01:58:43.680 right?

01:58:44.640 I think that

01:58:45.840 once you get through

01:58:46.700 that temptation,

01:58:48.180 you are rewarded

01:58:49.240 if you do the right thing.

01:58:50.000 If you do the moral thing

01:58:50.800 and you do the principled thing,

01:58:51.780 you're being tested.

01:58:52.540 We're all being tested right now.

01:58:53.660 That's what I truly believe.

01:58:54.480 We're all being tested

01:58:55.200 and a lot of people

01:58:56.700 are failing that test.

01:58:58.460 A lot of people aren't,

01:58:59.600 right?

01:58:59.940 Strange bedfellows.

01:59:00.800 You had Anna Kasparian

01:59:01.840 on this show

01:59:02.700 and I've been saying

01:59:03.160 for a while

01:59:03.680 that I liked her

01:59:04.420 because I perceived

01:59:04.920 that she was being authentic

01:59:05.720 even when I disagreed with her.

01:59:07.100 Well, she's authentic.

01:59:07.720 Yeah.

01:59:08.160 I was like,

01:59:08.540 I disagree with her

01:59:09.140 and she's been terrible to me

01:59:11.000 but I perceive

01:59:11.660 that she's being authentic

01:59:12.460 and we're seeing that happen.

01:59:14.840 It's a good thing.

01:59:15.540 It's a good thing

01:59:16.080 that the left and the right

01:59:16.860 are coming together

01:59:17.580 on this topic

01:59:19.100 and that it doesn't matter

01:59:20.340 if you're black

01:59:21.780 and that way,

01:59:23.160 yeah,

01:59:23.740 Israel has been a blessing

01:59:28.240 because I think

01:59:29.400 for the first time

01:59:30.080 the entire world

01:59:30.920 is in lockstep

01:59:31.680 realizing something

01:59:32.440 is very wrong

01:59:33.100 that this is allowed

01:59:33.660 to happen in broad daylight

01:59:34.600 and no one is stopping it.

01:59:36.140 When you say

01:59:37.020 you see something

01:59:38.320 happening globally

01:59:39.640 on the spiritual level,

01:59:40.760 what do you mean?

01:59:41.900 What I mean by that

01:59:42.880 is I can,

01:59:44.220 and obviously

01:59:44.720 I'm looking at

01:59:45.680 my own metrics here

01:59:46.980 but we have people

01:59:48.840 committed to watching my show

01:59:50.200 all over the world.

01:59:51.440 like using VPNs

01:59:52.780 to watch this show

01:59:53.460 all over the world

01:59:54.300 and as I,

01:59:56.700 I don't view myself

01:59:57.600 as an authority.

01:59:58.520 I'm learning with them.

01:59:59.580 I think that's what

02:00:00.020 they enjoy about my show

02:00:00.900 is I'm not like Jake Tapper

02:00:02.060 sitting up here

02:00:02.680 telling you

02:00:03.360 she's deranged.

02:00:04.920 I'm actually saying

02:00:06.280 we're not getting answers here

02:00:08.280 and something's wrong.

02:00:09.680 Did you use the word deranged?

02:00:10.620 Like six times

02:00:11.420 in the first minute.

02:00:12.160 Deranged?

02:00:12.940 Deranged,

02:00:13.380 like six times

02:00:13.960 in the first minute.

02:00:14.460 It was glorious.

02:00:15.260 It was so funny.

02:00:15.780 That's like a clinical diagnosis.

02:00:17.380 I mean, come on.

02:00:18.040 Have you seen a doctor?

02:00:19.100 Oh yeah,

02:00:19.560 you know who taught

02:00:20.620 that theory

02:00:21.280 of just diagnosing it?

02:00:22.780 Yeah, Sigmund Freud.

02:00:23.700 There we go.

02:00:24.600 So I recognize

02:00:25.480 what you're doing.

02:00:26.200 I read the book.

02:00:27.120 I read the book.

02:00:28.220 You won't grok AI me.

02:00:30.300 I know what you guys are about.

02:00:32.460 Yeah, if you're telling the truth,

02:00:33.960 just diagnose it.

02:00:35.200 But yeah,

02:00:35.900 that's what they do.

02:00:36.840 They diagnose it.

02:00:38.140 But yeah,

02:00:38.680 I think we are seeing

02:00:40.280 all around the world

02:00:41.220 people are kind of

02:00:41.760 waking up to that

02:00:42.400 and they're responding to it

02:00:43.820 and they tried to crush you.

02:00:45.560 They tried to crush you.

02:00:46.320 You're lucky you're not an ex

02:00:47.400 because all they do

02:00:47.800 is try to crush you.

02:00:48.380 You're trending all the time

02:00:49.420 over the most mundane things.

02:00:50.840 I am really.

02:00:51.240 I love their hatred

02:00:52.040 of Daryl Cooper.

02:00:53.080 I love it

02:00:53.640 because when you see him

02:00:55.000 he's like a nice historian.

02:00:56.780 And he really is.

02:00:57.840 The world can see that, right?

02:00:59.420 So that's why it works.

02:01:00.660 That's why you say,

02:01:01.860 you asked me the question,

02:01:02.580 Candice,

02:01:02.760 why do you have so much joy?

02:01:04.160 Because it is funny, right?

02:01:05.740 And I think that my joy

02:01:07.200 makes him even angrier

02:01:08.560 because I think it's so ridiculous.

02:01:10.420 You're trying to sell to me

02:01:11.520 that this guy, Daryl Cooper,

02:01:13.000 is the second coming of Adolf Hitler.

02:01:15.020 Like that's funny.

02:01:15.840 And then it makes people curious

02:01:17.260 because you're going,

02:01:17.780 he's so clearly not.

02:01:18.880 So what is it that he's hit upon

02:01:20.260 that has you guys so triggered?

02:01:22.600 It's got to be a truth.

02:01:23.760 Let me keep digging.

02:01:24.860 And yeah,

02:01:25.640 as soon as you start

02:01:26.860 asking any questions

02:01:27.960 about the World War II narrative,

02:01:29.420 which has been decided

02:01:30.240 in our textbooks,

02:01:31.240 which were printed

02:01:32.000 by Robert Maxwell,

02:01:33.460 okay,

02:01:35.140 which is we're getting

02:01:35.680 into our Epstein series,

02:01:36.780 you know,

02:01:37.240 he who prints the textbook

02:01:39.200 as king,

02:01:40.160 you start asking

02:01:40.840 other questions, right?

02:01:42.080 How has my mind

02:01:43.600 been shaped

02:01:44.220 since I was a child?

02:01:45.580 Why do I feel this way?

02:01:47.300 Why do I have

02:01:48.020 an emotional response

02:01:48.840 to these things

02:01:49.320 that I don't understand?

02:01:50.400 And that was set up for you.

02:01:52.660 We were set up

02:01:53.560 to not ask questions

02:01:54.680 about certain things.

02:01:55.960 And so now

02:01:56.580 they're arriving

02:01:57.080 at their final point.

02:01:58.120 And this is why

02:01:58.660 I love it so much

02:01:59.500 is that we've now

02:02:00.480 forced them into a corner

02:02:01.660 where their legitimate argument

02:02:03.500 as if it couldn't get

02:02:04.920 more absurd

02:02:05.420 is that we have to

02:02:06.680 just stop asking questions,

02:02:08.820 right?

02:02:09.440 You're not just asking questions.

02:02:10.980 This is their new thing.

02:02:12.020 You,

02:02:12.380 you're not just asking questions.

02:02:13.960 Why are you asking questions?

02:02:15.600 Say what you really mean.

02:02:17.160 They're the ones

02:02:18.020 that are so clearly undone

02:02:19.860 that we can't even ask questions.

02:02:23.240 So we're winning.

02:02:24.160 The funny thing is

02:02:24.720 I actually am asking questions.

02:02:27.220 We all are.

02:02:27.900 I don't really understand

02:02:29.100 a lot of things.

02:02:29.920 Right.

02:02:30.320 We all are.

02:02:30.840 We're reading

02:02:31.240 and we're learning

02:02:31.860 and that scares them.

02:02:32.840 So what does that tell you

02:02:34.100 when exploring and learning

02:02:36.440 and true education

02:02:38.140 outside of the public school system

02:02:41.100 terrifies them?

02:02:42.220 What does it tell you?

02:02:43.480 That they're hiding something.

02:02:44.460 They're lying about something.

02:02:45.820 Of course.

02:02:46.080 You think I would be scared

02:02:46.960 if you were asking questions

02:02:48.560 and I knew the answers to them?

02:02:50.120 I'd be like,

02:02:50.540 yeah, no,

02:02:50.980 here you can come examine this

02:02:52.300 a thousand times.

02:02:53.020 Like you're lying about something

02:02:54.840 and the whole world can see that.

02:02:56.560 So yeah,

02:02:56.960 I'd be pretty upset

02:02:58.500 if I were you too

02:02:59.340 because you have been

02:03:00.200 on the side of the author of lies.

02:03:01.960 You've been just...

02:03:02.580 Liars are afraid and weak,

02:03:04.400 as I said,

02:03:05.040 brittle,

02:03:05.480 and you can just feel it.

02:03:06.540 And I've experienced it.

02:03:07.560 I've lied.

02:03:08.600 And the second you lie,

02:03:09.980 you're like afraid.

02:03:10.840 Well, you're afraid,

02:03:11.420 of course,

02:03:11.680 the lie being exposed,

02:03:12.700 but I think the fear

02:03:13.360 is deeper than that.

02:03:14.240 I think it weakens you.

02:03:16.540 Yeah.

02:03:16.820 And it makes you look ridiculous.

02:03:18.460 Well, that's exactly right.

02:03:19.780 It's humiliating.

02:03:21.500 So we do have...

02:03:23.360 A lot of our subscribers

02:03:24.260 were very excited

02:03:24.920 that you were coming.

02:03:25.600 Very excited.

02:03:26.600 I feel like we have some overlap.

02:03:28.400 So they sent in a million questions

02:03:29.620 because we had to do a couple of them.

02:03:31.340 They're actually good questions.

02:03:33.840 Here's one.

02:03:34.500 I don't know if you can even answer this.

02:03:35.600 What do you think of the Daily Wire

02:03:36.680 now that you've been gone for a while?

02:03:37.940 I think I wish the best

02:03:41.860 of the Daily Wire.

02:03:42.640 I wouldn't have changed.

02:03:44.140 I wouldn't change a single thing

02:03:45.380 about what happened,

02:03:46.260 how it went down.

02:03:47.500 In the moment,

02:03:48.160 it seemed so crazy.

02:03:49.160 But I think in every action,

02:03:51.880 people get to see who you are

02:03:53.060 and what you're made of.

02:03:53.940 And the Daily Wire

02:03:54.740 got to tell their story

02:03:55.580 and I got to tell mine.

02:03:57.020 So you get...

02:03:58.820 I mean, you were a big deal,

02:03:59.820 obviously, at the Daily Wire.

02:04:00.700 A little bigger than we realized.

02:04:03.240 When you left,

02:04:04.020 we found out

02:04:04.600 what a big deal you were.

02:04:06.180 So no one wants to lose a job

02:04:07.720 where they're succeeding.

02:04:09.100 But in retrospect,

02:04:10.260 do you feel like

02:04:10.680 that was part of a larger plan?

02:04:12.520 Yeah, God's plan for sure.

02:04:13.860 That's what I mean.

02:04:14.240 And now with the things

02:04:16.100 and the discussions

02:04:17.320 that I'm having with my viewers,

02:04:18.420 there's no way

02:04:18.840 I could have been at the Daily Wire.

02:04:19.680 It just wouldn't have worked.

02:04:20.700 You know, it worked for a little bit

02:04:22.280 and then it suddenly was not working.

02:04:24.560 And now definitively,

02:04:26.300 we would not be a good match.

02:04:28.500 And at the end of the day,

02:04:29.620 I just don't view myself

02:04:30.640 as in competition

02:04:31.540 with the Daily Wire.

02:04:32.380 Like I am interested

02:04:33.560 in totally different things.

02:04:34.860 Well, you're a lot bigger

02:04:35.460 than the Daily Wire.

02:04:36.000 Just on the numbers,

02:04:36.880 you're much bigger

02:04:37.380 than the Daily Wire.

02:04:38.220 And I think that's in part

02:04:39.240 because removing the Daily Wire

02:04:41.740 as the conduit to my ideas

02:04:44.140 was a good thing.

02:04:44.900 Like I got to,

02:04:45.640 I don't have to have

02:04:46.220 a bunch of people

02:04:46.980 as it is at any corporation.

02:04:49.060 Like, can you talk about the topic?

02:04:50.000 Is it okay?

02:04:50.520 What do the lawyers think?

02:04:51.280 Right, that's right.

02:04:51.940 I got to remove all that

02:04:52.580 and I get to go right to my audience.

02:04:53.920 So I'm grateful.

02:04:55.140 And you don't have to take credit

02:04:55.960 or blame

02:04:56.520 for what others on that channel do.

02:04:58.840 Right.

02:04:59.000 I felt this way

02:04:59.560 working for big companies.

02:05:00.700 It was like,

02:05:01.040 I can't believe I hate your company

02:05:02.440 or I love your company.

02:05:03.320 And it's like,

02:05:03.820 it's not exactly connected to me.

02:05:06.040 I mean, I worked there, but.

02:05:07.060 Exactly.

02:05:07.720 And I was,

02:05:08.900 I'm definitely somebody

02:05:09.560 that I think I thrive

02:05:10.680 when I get to just truly say

02:05:12.880 and express myself entirely

02:05:14.060 exactly how I feel

02:05:14.880 every second of every day.

02:05:15.800 And I'm interested

02:05:16.480 in so many different topics

02:05:17.500 and it was getting

02:05:18.180 increasingly difficult

02:05:19.080 to kind of explore

02:05:20.960 things that I was interested in

02:05:22.680 without having to worry

02:05:23.640 about whether it would upset

02:05:24.780 this person or that person

02:05:25.800 or have a legal person

02:05:26.620 felt about this.

02:05:27.760 And at that point,

02:05:28.460 you're not having fun.

02:05:29.320 Then it becomes a job, right?

02:05:31.340 It always was a job,

02:05:32.100 but then it becomes a job,

02:05:33.140 meaning that

02:05:33.820 you're waking up every day

02:05:35.060 and you're like,

02:05:35.760 and now I wake up every day

02:05:38.660 and I'm thrilled

02:05:39.560 and I'm researching

02:05:41.220 and I'm learning

02:05:42.560 with my audience.

02:05:43.920 So I'm happier.

02:05:45.300 I hope The Daily Wire is happier.

02:05:47.680 And that's it.

02:05:49.260 And this is another question.

02:05:51.720 Do you ever fear

02:05:52.800 that something,

02:05:53.680 that people want to harm you?

02:05:55.060 I know people want to harm me,

02:05:56.180 so I don't have to fear it.

02:05:58.260 Fair.

02:05:58.860 Yeah, in case you missed it,

02:06:00.180 a guy tried to kill me

02:06:01.380 last year.

02:06:02.500 Sorry, sorry.

02:06:02.980 A contact by the FBI.

02:06:04.180 There's nothing to fear

02:06:05.360 is to embrace that,

02:06:06.180 that people are deranged

02:06:07.720 and people are crazy

02:06:08.420 and of course,

02:06:08.820 people want to harm me.

02:06:10.060 Do I fear it?

02:06:10.620 No, because I don't fear death.

02:06:13.260 And I think that

02:06:14.820 that is the true challenge

02:06:16.160 of being a Christian.

02:06:18.140 I ask myself this question

02:06:19.380 when there are so many people

02:06:20.640 who purport to be Christians

02:06:21.800 and they won't say things

02:06:23.740 that they know are true

02:06:25.200 or they actually say things

02:06:26.780 that they know to be false

02:06:27.580 because they're fearful

02:06:28.520 of losing their jobs, right?

02:06:30.500 And if you are responding

02:06:32.700 or you're behaving

02:06:34.040 in a certain way

02:06:34.560 or not saying something

02:06:35.340 because you're fearful

02:06:36.060 of something like

02:06:36.860 the moment right now,

02:06:39.120 do you believe

02:06:39.820 in the afterlife?

02:06:41.440 Do you believe

02:06:42.020 in Christ?

02:06:43.960 Do you know

02:06:44.480 that you're actually

02:06:45.280 not just trying

02:06:46.120 to get paid by a check

02:06:47.000 but also trying

02:06:47.680 to get into heaven, right?

02:06:49.420 That's the bigger thing.

02:06:50.640 So I go for the bigger thing

02:06:51.880 and yeah,

02:06:53.520 I know that

02:06:54.640 no matter what,

02:06:55.820 I will be okay.

02:06:56.460 My husband makes sure

02:06:57.620 that he says

02:06:58.680 his number one goal

02:06:59.240 is to make sure

02:06:59.700 that all of us

02:07:00.120 are getting into heaven, so.

02:07:01.380 This is not the end.

02:07:02.460 Yeah.

02:07:03.260 Last question.

02:07:04.120 Do you have advice

02:07:05.000 for the president

02:07:05.900 whom you know,

02:07:06.880 you said you spoke by phone

02:07:08.120 and you've been a supporter

02:07:09.220 of his for a long time

02:07:09.980 but do you have advice

02:07:10.580 for him now?

02:07:11.520 Yes.

02:07:11.920 My advice to him

02:07:12.620 would be my advice

02:07:13.300 to very many people

02:07:14.040 who I've seen

02:07:14.680 become very big

02:07:16.020 and then get very small

02:07:17.300 or have their supporters

02:07:18.760 turn on them

02:07:19.320 which is don't ever

02:07:20.380 get to the point

02:07:21.240 where you think

02:07:21.780 you're smarter

02:07:22.140 than your audience

02:07:22.780 and I think

02:07:24.260 that for Trump

02:07:25.260 right now

02:07:25.920 and I'm speaking

02:07:27.300 specifically about

02:07:28.560 the gaslighting

02:07:30.780 of

02:07:31.160 are we still talking

02:07:32.760 about Jeffrey Epstein

02:07:33.680 and then saying

02:07:34.220 I don't want any supporters

02:07:35.020 that are still into this

02:07:35.800 that means that

02:07:37.400 you see yourself

02:07:37.920 as a king

02:07:38.480 and you've stopped listening

02:07:40.120 you're not responding

02:07:41.100 to the movement anymore

02:07:42.160 and what made

02:07:43.960 us get behind you

02:07:45.360 was that

02:07:46.580 despite the fact

02:07:47.240 that we knew

02:07:47.520 you were this

02:07:47.840 boisterous billionaire

02:07:48.600 was that you had

02:07:49.720 a way of communicating

02:07:50.620 with and understanding

02:07:51.540 how people felt

02:07:53.300 right

02:07:53.720 the blue collar worker

02:07:54.600 how that person felt

02:07:55.360 the person that's

02:07:56.000 listening to you

02:07:56.600 the truck driver

02:07:57.280 the plumbers

02:07:58.100 and when you respond

02:08:00.700 with well I don't want

02:08:01.540 your support

02:08:02.120 or gaslighting

02:08:03.620 you know

02:08:04.500 you've lost touch

02:08:05.580 a little bit

02:08:06.000 with your audience

02:08:06.820 just don't ever think

02:08:07.580 that you're smarter

02:08:08.000 than your audience

02:08:08.460 I'm constantly

02:08:09.000 getting feedback

02:08:09.540 from my audience

02:08:10.220 and trying to figure out

02:08:11.200 what they're interested in

02:08:12.060 and how I can be better

02:08:13.120 even if it's slight tweaks

02:08:14.260 of things like

02:08:14.960 oh I don't like

02:08:15.580 the way the audio sounds

02:08:16.580 or this

02:08:16.980 and they like that

02:08:18.240 because they know

02:08:19.480 that you care

02:08:20.660 and I do care

02:08:21.220 and I think that

02:08:21.960 Trump's message

02:08:22.880 over the last few weeks

02:08:23.780 with the Epstein fumble

02:08:24.960 as I'm going to refer

02:08:25.940 to it as

02:08:26.480 makes people think

02:08:27.640 that he doesn't care

02:08:28.200 and I think he does care

02:08:29.780 so he should change that

02:08:30.940 I think that's

02:08:32.280 very wise advice

02:08:33.500 I think that's

02:08:34.140 the wisest advice

02:08:35.140 you could give

02:08:35.960 not surprisingly

02:08:36.660 got kids

02:08:37.200 so my last question

02:08:38.360 is what is

02:08:39.780 because I was thinking

02:08:41.240 about you and my son

02:08:41.780 this morning

02:08:42.200 you do have

02:08:44.960 like a

02:08:45.640 obvious peace

02:08:46.960 and joy

02:08:47.320 about you

02:08:47.920 it's just

02:08:48.520 it's just obvious

02:08:49.160 it's not fake

02:08:49.760 it's just with you

02:08:50.900 and your husband

02:08:51.340 and your youngest child

02:08:52.580 off camera

02:08:53.180 and it's totally real

02:08:54.020 what is your

02:08:55.540 spiritual practice

02:08:56.860 well we're catholic

02:08:58.280 my family's catholic

02:08:59.440 when George and I

02:09:00.560 first got married

02:09:01.240 I was not catholic

02:09:02.340 I was protestant

02:09:03.300 and to see

02:09:04.920 just God's design

02:09:06.360 and everything

02:09:06.760 and how me and George

02:09:07.580 met

02:09:07.840 and how he then

02:09:08.620 was so drawn

02:09:09.340 back into his faith

02:09:10.960 like he was

02:09:11.880 I would definitely say

02:09:12.720 he was not a practicing

02:09:13.320 catholic when we got married

02:09:14.220 or else he would have

02:09:14.980 told me that I had to

02:09:15.720 convert before we got

02:09:16.300 married actually

02:09:16.880 because he's that

02:09:17.580 he's that deep

02:09:18.480 into the faith now

02:09:19.360 but our marriage

02:09:21.440 has brought us closer

02:09:22.120 to faith

02:09:22.880 and I made the decision

02:09:23.940 not knowing how

02:09:24.520 all this is going to

02:09:25.100 play out

02:09:25.760 but to become

02:09:27.440 baptized into the

02:09:28.200 catholic church

02:09:28.840 and it's just

02:09:29.860 interesting how

02:09:30.700 you know

02:09:32.380 there's so

02:09:33.600 there is

02:09:34.620 a divine aspect

02:09:35.780 to everything

02:09:36.260 that's happening

02:09:36.860 the timing of everything

02:09:38.300 I never question

02:09:39.320 God's timing

02:09:39.900 even when things

02:09:41.240 seem terrible

02:09:41.940 right

02:09:42.600 when the whole world

02:09:43.700 is rooting for you

02:09:44.360 to fail

02:09:44.720 saying she's canceled

02:09:45.540 and it's over

02:09:46.140 the reason why I survived

02:09:48.100 it and the reason

02:09:48.520 why I'm happy

02:09:49.140 is because

02:09:50.140 I have real faith

02:09:51.720 and also because

02:09:53.120 I know

02:09:53.820 that that's just a veneer

02:09:55.380 that's been created

02:09:56.180 for us

02:09:56.600 the idea that

02:09:57.120 like your media

02:09:57.940 and that

02:09:58.680 if the New York Times

02:09:59.720 can take you out

02:10:00.680 you don't have enough

02:10:02.040 substance in your life

02:10:02.940 they can't threaten me

02:10:04.320 because they

02:10:05.000 haven't created anything

02:10:06.000 that's real in my life

02:10:07.040 they have no control

02:10:08.440 over anything

02:10:08.800 that's real in my life

02:10:09.520 and if you think

02:10:10.900 I care about a headline

02:10:11.800 I couldn't care less

02:10:12.700 about a headline

02:10:13.260 you're going to try

02:10:14.540 to get me canceled

02:10:15.180 from speaking at an event

02:10:16.220 like okay

02:10:16.880 they're probably

02:10:17.320 serving rubber chicken

02:10:18.200 anyways

02:10:18.720 that goes through

02:10:19.560 great

02:10:20.040 amazing

02:10:20.680 and that's not

02:10:22.440 going to be enough

02:10:23.020 of a threat

02:10:23.600 for me

02:10:24.760 to give up

02:10:26.600 speaking truth

02:10:27.580 because

02:10:27.960 and this is

02:10:28.640 the part

02:10:29.000 that I really want

02:10:29.380 to get to

02:10:29.620 because it's super

02:10:30.000 important for people

02:10:30.400 to hear this

02:10:30.940 I'm encouraged

02:10:32.300 when people say

02:10:33.020 that I give them

02:10:33.740 the courage

02:10:34.280 right

02:10:34.920 that's the greatest thing

02:10:35.740 that's the greatest compliment

02:10:36.500 that I can receive

02:10:37.080 that they were quiet

02:10:37.820 about something

02:10:38.300 and now

02:10:38.740 they are vocal

02:10:39.800 about it

02:10:40.100 because they realize

02:10:40.580 it matters

02:10:41.060 our children

02:10:42.500 are going to

02:10:43.440 inherit the world

02:10:44.460 that we allow

02:10:46.440 them to inherit

02:10:47.000 so if we decide

02:10:48.380 to become

02:10:49.660 creatures

02:10:50.880 of you know

02:10:52.360 pleasure

02:10:52.900 and creatures

02:10:53.880 of social media

02:10:55.260 and creatures

02:10:56.160 of a lack of focus

02:10:57.360 and ultimately

02:10:58.720 creatures of fear

02:10:59.880 and cowardice

02:11:00.660 they will inherit

02:11:01.660 the world

02:11:02.220 right

02:11:02.800 that we've left

02:11:03.700 behind for them

02:11:04.300 it's so important

02:11:05.940 to stand up

02:11:06.580 for what's right

02:11:07.100 because

02:11:07.920 your children

02:11:09.040 if you don't

02:11:09.660 stand up

02:11:09.860 to the demons

02:11:10.320 those demons

02:11:10.800 are only going

02:11:11.100 to grow more powerful

02:11:11.720 that's right

02:11:12.300 and your children

02:11:13.040 are going to be

02:11:13.880 the ones

02:11:14.200 that suffer it

02:11:14.800 right

02:11:15.140 so the question

02:11:16.060 is do you care

02:11:17.220 enough about it

02:11:18.140 to protect your children

02:11:19.440 to moms and dads

02:11:20.580 right

02:11:20.820 when you say

02:11:21.360 I didn't say the thing

02:11:22.320 so I just went along

02:11:23.400 with the COVID thing

02:11:24.240 you would allow them

02:11:24.900 to poison your kids

02:11:25.760 like because you were

02:11:26.760 just scared

02:11:27.120 to say something

02:11:27.920 and again

02:11:29.060 because we live

02:11:29.600 in a society

02:11:30.180 of pleasure

02:11:31.220 and we live

02:11:32.200 in the society

02:11:32.800 everything so momentary

02:11:33.840 and social media

02:11:34.460 and a distraction

02:11:35.020 we've actually become

02:11:36.180 a very weakened species

02:11:37.500 like I am so driven

02:11:39.820 by who my grandfather was

02:11:41.760 I always say this

02:11:43.000 people are like

02:11:43.640 what's up with this girl

02:11:44.260 why is she so happy

02:11:44.920 I say

02:11:46.060 my grandfather

02:11:47.220 blessed me

02:11:48.700 he spoiled me

02:11:49.780 and I just looked up

02:11:51.200 looked at him

02:11:52.120 as such a man

02:11:53.740 like truly what it means

02:11:54.800 like to embody faith

02:11:55.920 his family

02:11:57.240 it was all that he cared about

02:11:58.440 faith

02:11:58.820 family

02:11:59.500 and he could look you in the eye

02:12:01.180 and do a deal

02:12:01.660 on a handshake

02:12:02.300 right

02:12:02.920 if he said he was

02:12:03.520 going to be there

02:12:03.940 he was going to be there

02:12:04.580 if he said he wasn't

02:12:05.500 going to be

02:12:05.800 he was going to do this

02:12:06.380 he was going to do that

02:12:07.060 you know

02:12:07.400 we need to go back to that

02:12:08.800 we've lost that

02:12:09.560 in this society

02:12:10.400 everyone's so deceptive

02:12:11.940 and sneaky

02:12:12.500 and they don't say

02:12:13.040 what they mean

02:12:13.680 and there's contracts

02:12:14.560 and they're tricky contracts

02:12:15.980 and everyone's leaking

02:12:16.980 stuff to the press

02:12:17.860 it's

02:12:18.140 have some respect

02:12:19.960 you know

02:12:20.560 for yourself

02:12:21.220 and for your family

02:12:22.320 to be a better person

02:12:23.760 and to speak up

02:12:24.980 when something is wrong

02:12:26.180 amen

02:12:27.980 I can't improve on that

02:12:29.340 Candice Owens

02:12:30.000 thank you

02:12:30.800 thank you so much

02:12:31.620 you're taking all this time

02:12:32.440 and congratulations

02:12:33.080 I think that your

02:12:34.140 example

02:12:35.500 even if people disagree

02:12:36.720 with you

02:12:37.180 I think they have to say

02:12:38.420 this is a woman

02:12:39.960 who's

02:12:40.520 purely sincere

02:12:42.140 and

02:12:43.180 I don't think

02:12:44.400 there's a higher compliment

02:12:45.140 so

02:12:45.680 thank you

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The Tucker Carlson Show - August 01, 2025

Candace Owens： Macron, Harvey Weinstein, and Why “Christ Is King” Totally Broke People’s Brains

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