The Tucker Carlson Show - Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes

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00:00:30.400 So you've been flying for a living since 1991, so that's almost 35 years, which is amazing.

00:00:37.340 For the rest of us, we're about the same age.

00:00:40.020 It seems like commercial air travel in the United States has declined in, like, at a shocking rate.

00:00:47.940 It's just much worse. A lot of things have gotten better.

00:00:50.700 We have the internet and iPhones.

00:00:51.660 Why is commercial air travel in this country, and not around the world, but in this country specifically, like, much worse than it was?

00:01:00.580 What is that?

00:01:01.000 Well, I think, legitimately, there's been a corporate change in this country.

00:01:27.580 Especially, ESG started to take over.

00:01:30.800 You've got the Larry Finks of the world that are driving corporations or CEOs toward issues that not necessarily are customer-oriented.

00:01:40.480 Yeah.

00:01:41.080 And so, when...

00:01:43.140 Oh, ESG doesn't help the customer? 0.99

00:01:44.920 Well, not the internal customer, anyway.

00:01:49.220 So, as we go through this process, this slow creep, those need to set an investment score, people with differing ideas of customer service and what's important are able to drive forward their message.

00:02:04.420 So, we get away from customer service.

00:02:07.360 Airlines run on three things, right?

00:02:08.700 They run on fuel, planes, and people.

00:02:10.200 When we start taking the people out of the mix, right, because it's all about buy more airplanes.

00:02:18.140 It's about driving that score so we can drive the share prices so that we can then get the lower financing rate to get airplanes.

00:02:25.160 We go away from that time when a Gordon Bethune or a Herb Kelleher said, you take care of your internal people.

00:02:33.240 They'll take care of your customer.

00:02:34.720 So, everything's bottom line now, Tucker.

00:02:36.180 And yet, ESG is not really, like, strictly speaking, bottom line.

00:02:42.740 It pleases Larry Fink, who's probably done more than any person to really hurt this country, but sidebar.

00:02:49.380 But, you know, for your average customer, you're like, well, you get the feeling that, like, incompetent people are in air traffic control, incompetent people are in the cockpit.

00:03:01.720 I don't know if that's true or not, but it shakes people's faith, scares the crap out of people, and then planes start crashing, and you're like, that's why.

00:03:08.340 That seems, like, against the core interests of the business.

00:03:13.880 I would agree.

00:03:14.920 But because people at the corporate level want to drive the interest rates down to be able to grow, because it's all about expanding.

00:03:22.040 Who is the biggest, right?

00:03:23.520 And so, they have to follow some of those mandates.

00:03:27.660 Yes.

00:03:27.900 And so, then we start looking at a particular CEO who said in 21, 50% of my incoming pilots will be women or people of color.

00:03:37.880 First of all, that number is impossible.

00:03:39.780 They don't exist.

00:03:41.260 But when you take merit out of it, and you start hiring people based on an attribute that has nothing to do with flying airplanes or controlling them,

00:03:48.580 you start moving down a path of incompetence, and it breeds itself all the way down throughout every department in the airline.

00:03:59.420 Nicely put.

00:04:00.180 I should note the obvious, which is that you are a woman. 0.99

00:04:03.420 Yeah.

00:04:03.740 And you started flying, you said, commercially in 1991, the year I left college.

00:04:09.400 So, like, there can't have been too many female pilots flying commercially in 1991. 1.00

00:04:13.840 Well, the original 21 female airline pilots broke the glass ceiling. 1.00

00:04:17.600 I didn't break it, but I kind of crawled through because of them.

00:04:21.520 And, you know, on we go.

00:04:24.000 But in all of my career, I've always been one of the guys.

00:04:26.780 I'm an airman.

00:04:27.680 I'm proud to be an airman.

00:04:29.140 You can't call me an air person.

00:04:30.860 I've earned it because I've done exactly what everyone else has done.

00:04:34.680 And so, when a passenger comes on and they look in the cockpit now today, they look a little sideways that there's a woman up here.

00:04:42.040 Definitely.

00:04:42.320 And especially if I might be sitting next to a Hispanic or an African-American, they're wondering how we got our jobs.

00:04:48.240 Yes, that is absolutely right.

00:04:49.880 So, DEI hurts those that weren't a product of it as well.

00:04:54.540 And that's unfair to me and to my coworkers.

00:04:56.520 So, have you noticed this internally?

00:04:59.380 You said a CEO of an airline announced four years ago that we're going to hire 50% female or non-white pilots.

00:05:07.620 But do you feel that as a pilot?

00:05:09.400 Do you notice the standards changing?

00:05:11.280 I don't know that I noticed the standard changing, but I know what's expected of me has changed.

00:05:15.660 First, quarterly, we have a computer-based training.

00:05:20.660 And it was kind of insidious the way they crept it in here.

00:05:24.060 First, it's a little, don't discriminate against people.

00:05:27.880 The next thing is a little more.

00:05:29.000 At my airline last year, I was asked in the DEI training to certify that Tom says, who is now Kathy, that he's a woman.

00:05:42.540 Therefore, he's always been a woman. 0.99

00:05:45.480 Now, wait a minute.

00:05:46.780 I'm a faithful person.

00:05:48.460 He's a dude in a dress.

00:05:50.100 And I am not going to agree that I will believe that he's always been a woman. 0.65

00:05:55.780 So, I said no.

00:05:57.180 Several people said no.

00:05:58.200 We had to apply for religious accommodations.

00:06:00.460 And then we were asked to do what we always do, which is just treat people with dignity and respect.

00:06:05.960 I've done that forever.

00:06:07.440 I don't care who you love, right?

00:06:10.340 But I do.

00:06:11.200 I will always treat you with dignity and respect.

00:06:13.100 But only because of the pushback.

00:06:14.880 Now, this year's training, they've dialed it back.

00:06:17.000 But they're trying to creep the things in that don't matter, Tucker.

00:06:20.560 What matters is how to fly an approach.

00:06:23.040 Do you know the regulations?

00:06:24.480 Are you safe?

00:06:25.920 Right?

00:06:26.120 This other stuff is distracting.

00:06:28.200 And it's distracting at the FAA as well.

00:06:31.680 So, has anyone explained why it's relevant, the color of a pilot?

00:06:38.040 No.

00:06:38.820 I have no idea. 0.86

00:06:40.640 So, it started with, like, we have, you know, you're probably racist.

00:06:44.220 We have to make you non-racist.

00:06:45.620 Sure.

00:06:45.740 And then it goes from there to, it's really important.

00:06:49.500 The skin color of a pilot is really important somehow.

00:06:51.980 But no one ever says why.

00:06:53.480 No.

00:06:53.800 Or, you know, whether they wear a dress or pants.

00:06:56.180 Right.

00:06:56.480 In my case.

00:06:57.360 So, you know, in the U.S., 96.4% of all pilots are male.

00:07:04.160 Yeah.

00:07:04.340 Right.

00:07:04.580 So, there's, like, less than 4% female airline transport pilots. 1.00

00:07:08.020 We can do everything.

00:07:09.080 And I'm an advocate for doing everything we can to get people interested in the job.

00:07:13.060 But, Tucker, there are some people who just don't need to be doing the job either.

00:07:16.760 And you can't fit a square peg in a round hole.

00:07:19.740 I can teach anyone to fly.

00:07:21.020 Sure.

00:07:21.600 But there's some that I would not want to fly in my family.

00:07:23.700 Have you seen those people?

00:07:25.360 Oh, yeah.

00:07:26.920 Oh, yeah.

00:07:27.460 Like, give me an example.

00:07:29.320 One of my first students, female, I tried to teach her how to fly. 0.99

00:07:31.820 She could fly.

00:07:32.920 But she just couldn't put it back together.

00:07:34.940 You know, when you go around, it's pushed the power up.

00:07:37.120 And it was dainty.

00:07:38.580 It was just some skill sets that they just don't have.

00:07:41.580 An aggression and, you know, a willingness to get out there and learn it.

00:07:45.840 You know.

00:07:46.280 To manhandle the machine, right?

00:07:48.000 Yeah.

00:07:48.400 You have to be in control, especially at a Cessna, right?

00:07:50.520 Yeah.

00:07:50.700 You know, it's not like my autothrottle big 767 autopilot, et cetera.

00:07:55.780 But the bigger problem we're having today is because it's a lucrative career, a lot of

00:08:01.480 people want, they've been talked into getting involved.

00:08:04.120 And so they see the money.

00:08:05.700 They might not be quite fit for it.

00:08:07.360 I'm also a college professor.

00:08:08.960 I teach human factors for Indiana Wesleyan.

00:08:11.060 So I deal with a lot of the undergraduates and the people coming up.

00:08:14.740 People quit their jobs midlife.

00:08:16.860 I'm going to chase the money.

00:08:18.620 I don't realize what they're doing.

00:08:20.000 And it's a different generation.

00:08:22.060 And my son is of that generation.

00:08:23.360 So I don't want to speak badly of them.

00:08:25.360 But the priorities are different, right?

00:08:27.360 And so to get them to understand the commitment that it takes to succeed in this career and

00:08:33.700 to get all the way through it and then to have them, you know, it's kind of entitlement,

00:08:39.160 if I can say that.

00:08:40.140 You know, and they grow up.

00:08:43.060 And I don't want people to think I'm saying, you know, I walked a mile in the snow to school,

00:08:46.580 therefore you're not qualified, right?

00:08:48.400 Right.

00:08:48.600 But airplane technology has changed.

00:08:51.120 We learned to manhandle those Cessna 172s. 1.00

00:08:53.740 And from that, we learned how to manhandle the next biggest airplane.

00:08:57.520 These kids are growing up in glass cockpits with computers.

00:09:00.500 They're learning to fly with their fingers.

00:09:02.000 When they get to the airlines, it's not an aviator that's coming there.

00:09:06.580 It's an operator.

00:09:07.920 And so when they take off, put the autopilot on, fly the autopilot with autothrottles to

00:09:12.460 landing.

00:09:13.880 Ask Al Haynes in Sioux City, Iowa, how to fly an airplane without an autopilot.

00:09:19.940 He saved a lot of lives.

00:09:21.220 That skill is not there.

00:09:22.660 And it takes time to build that skill.

00:09:24.300 We could even take those young 1,500 hours and we're doing it, but it takes a long time

00:09:31.780 to mentor.

00:09:33.080 So we've got pilots now that are coming in at minimum skills, having learned on glass

00:09:38.020 cockpits, and in a year upgrading to captain.

00:09:41.880 I had 12 years of watching the good and the bad of the airline world, and I took the good

00:09:47.420 from them and I left the bad behind.

00:09:49.540 And I think I'm a pretty decent captain now, but those kids are jumping so fast.

00:09:54.300 And then they're running the unions because they're young and they're eager.

00:09:58.800 And so us old people are saying, hey, you know what?

00:10:01.180 We're at a critical moment where we don't have qualified pilots.

00:10:04.540 We'd like to keep them a little longer.

00:10:06.900 We'd be willing to work an extra couple of years, but they vote and they say, no, get

00:10:10.580 out of my seat, old man or old woman. 0.88

00:10:12.500 Excuse me.

00:10:14.140 They don't want to raise the pilot age.

00:10:15.880 So the Airline Pilots Association is complicit in the problem.

00:10:21.080 It feels like everything is fine until there's a problem.

00:10:25.160 So you read about, even now, you read about planes stalling.

00:10:30.240 You know, something happens and the plane just falls out of the sky.

00:10:32.840 And I've read a number of times of trained pilots who, you know, apply the throttle and

00:10:39.560 point upwards as it's stalling, which I don't think is the right, I think it's the opposite

00:10:43.300 of what you're supposed to do.

00:10:44.080 But they panic under pressure.

00:10:46.440 So that seems like a huge problem.

00:10:49.240 If you're not screening carefully for temperament, ability to think clearly under duress, and

00:10:55.600 you're not allowing people to accumulate relevant experience before turning over the cockpit to

00:11:01.020 them.

00:11:01.240 No, I would agree.

00:11:02.740 Like, describe, if you don't mind, since you've flown for so long, a scenario where something

00:11:09.680 goes wrong unexpectedly and you have to think independently from the autopilot.

00:11:14.280 Well, the most dangerous part of your flight, most people don't know it, is takeoff in

00:11:18.440 a jet.

00:11:19.020 Yeah.

00:11:19.200 Right?

00:11:19.700 Why?

00:11:20.120 Why is it most dangerous?

00:11:20.760 As we get to the end of the runway at critical speed, V1, we call it, V1, liftoff, the airplane

00:11:27.300 is at full power and you have an engine failure.

00:11:29.260 Now you have asymmetrical thrust.

00:11:31.740 And so it's very critical to lower the nose, do the proper steps.

00:11:35.820 And a lot of times there's critical terrain.

00:11:38.020 So we have a path we have to fly.

00:11:39.400 And a lot of things are happening very quickly.

00:11:41.700 And so doing it by the book, it's what we train for over and over and over again.

00:11:46.760 Losing an engine on takeoff.

00:11:48.720 It is the most critical point of your entire flight.

00:11:52.300 And so that's what we train for.

00:11:54.700 That's what they pay me for.

00:11:56.640 Yeah.

00:11:56.840 They don't pay me for the simple stuff, you know, landings and cruise at altitude and

00:12:02.820 all that.

00:12:03.120 They pay me for that V1 cut.

00:12:05.580 Really?

00:12:06.300 V1 cut?

00:12:07.140 Yes.

00:12:07.400 Right at the speed, we call it V1, velocity one.

00:12:10.920 So at that critical speed is when we V1, rotate the airplane off the runway, engine failure,

00:12:17.100 asymmetrical thrust, kicks in a whole bunch of rudder in a 7.6. 0.91

00:12:20.700 It takes a lot.

00:12:21.840 You know, you stand on it, get it straight and fly it up to roughly 800 feet, lower the

00:12:26.800 nose, work the checklist. 0.80

00:12:28.120 And it's a two-man job.

00:12:29.540 That's a critical reason we can't go to single pilot.

00:12:32.420 How is it a two-man job?

00:12:34.160 Because somebody's got to read the checklist and somebody's got to fly the airplane.

00:12:37.360 I can't fly that airplane looking down at that checklist.

00:12:41.080 I mean, that does happen, right?

00:12:43.480 Mm-hmm.

00:12:44.200 And everyone we've had that I can remember has been extremely successful.

00:12:49.220 Really?

00:12:49.980 Mm-hmm.

00:12:50.200 So people survived them all?

00:12:51.280 People survived.

00:12:51.660 The last actual death in the U.S. transport category outside of the commuters, 2005, Southwest,

00:12:59.280 and it actually wasn't on board the plane.

00:13:01.020 It was at the gas station across the street at Midway.

00:13:03.380 So we have an incredible safety record.

00:13:05.800 But we have that safety record because of the people up front, right?

00:13:09.680 The system's kind of working against us, though.

00:13:12.680 I don't know if you've seen the preliminary results of the DCA midair.

00:13:16.980 No.

00:13:17.280 We have a serious problem.

00:13:20.100 So describe what you think happened there.

00:13:22.080 It's not what I think happened.

00:13:23.660 So DCA, the plane that hit the helicopter over the Potomac.

00:13:26.980 Right, the helicopter that hit the airplane over the Potomac.

00:13:27.980 DCA being the in-town airport in Washington.

00:13:29.960 Sorry, I shouldn't speak in language.

00:13:30.840 Washington Reagan National.

00:13:32.100 Thank you.

00:13:33.460 Now, I know what I know from watching the NTSB press conference.

00:13:39.420 Yes.

00:13:39.860 And the chairwoman was speaking.

00:13:41.900 She explained several things.

00:13:43.320 It's only preliminary.

00:13:44.460 No blame was assigned at this point.

00:13:46.260 I have my personal belief on blame.

00:13:49.680 But the design of the system failed those passengers, okay?

00:13:56.120 The way that route through there was designed, they looked back for 11 years, 945 plus thousand

00:14:05.360 potential incursions in 11 years.

00:14:10.940 My teeth hit the floor.

00:14:12.940 I mean, I thought we had air traffic control to prevent that.

00:14:15.440 We do, but the problem she detailed is the design of the system.

00:14:21.180 That approach, if the helicopter is in the right place, the perfect ideal place, the clearance

00:14:27.580 between the approaching aircraft and the helicopter at one point is as low as 75 feet.

00:14:34.080 Come on.

00:14:35.780 Watch her debrief.

00:14:38.900 I was astounded.

00:14:41.240 The rotor blades on that helicopter are like 30 feet radius.

00:14:45.460 Holy cow. 0.89

00:14:46.740 And now we know the helicopter was outside of the ideal place.

00:14:50.180 And obviously, 75 feet, Tucker, when I pre-flight an airplane between my first officer and myself,

00:14:57.880 the regulation says they have to be within 75 feet.

00:15:00.620 So right there, we've taken out the protection.

00:15:04.000 What in the world was the FAA doing?

00:15:07.180 And this is in the nation's capital.

00:15:08.740 And these are military helicopters and commercial aircraft.

00:15:11.940 All eyes are on that airport.

00:15:13.500 That airport has all kinds of restrictions on it after 9-11.

00:15:16.020 You know better than anybody.

00:15:17.420 You know, no private aviation, all this stuff.

00:15:20.320 They really pay a lot of attention.

00:15:21.520 It's like 10 seconds from the White House.

00:15:24.500 So if they're that sloppy at DCA of all airports, what the hell are they doing in Santa Monica or wherever?

00:15:32.380 You know, Wichita or, you know, BOMA.

00:15:34.860 Yeah, who knows?

00:15:36.320 Who knows?

00:15:36.940 Where does the data go?

00:15:38.200 The problem is the FAA is two-fold master, right?

00:15:43.140 A regulatory body and a promotion of the industry.

00:15:47.200 So what is it?

00:15:48.860 I'm sorry.

00:15:49.160 I don't know what that means, promotion of the industry.

00:15:50.680 The charge to the FAA is to promote air travel in the United States and to regulate it.

00:15:58.040 Huh.

00:15:59.540 That's been their mandate from the beginning, yeah.

00:16:02.620 Really?

00:16:03.300 Yes.

00:16:03.920 So they're the policeman and the PR agent?

00:16:06.420 I guess, because how did Boeing get the right to self-certify the MAX, right?

00:16:11.660 What does it mean, self-certify the MAX?

00:16:13.060 So an inspector didn't have to go look at the 737 MAX.

00:16:16.580 Boeing had the right to certify itself.

00:16:19.300 Really?

00:16:19.780 That's been pulled back.

00:16:21.220 Everything that happens in aviation, every regulation happens as the result of blood, right?

00:16:27.220 And so nobody's being proactive in this agency.

00:16:30.380 Now, I love, I love Secretary Duffy and I love his attitude.

00:16:33.600 And it looks like the new nominee for the FAA administrator is great.

00:16:37.740 But the question is the next level bureaucrats.

00:16:39.740 These are people who have, for their entire careers, be it at, and a lot came from the military, they like sitting behind green government desks and drinking green government, or excuse me, drinking government coffee.

00:16:51.340 And so, you know, to like have to get up and go over there and look at those reports or do something with them, that's, that's got to change.

00:17:01.320 So last year I get home and there are all these boxes in the kitchen.

00:17:04.440 I wonder what these are.

00:17:05.400 I open up one and they are tortilla chips made by a company I never heard of called Masa.

00:17:11.620 Masa chips are not like other tortilla chips in that they are all natural.

00:17:15.880 Well, there are only three ingredients in the chips and there are no seed oils whatsoever.

00:17:19.980 My wife had ordered these because she's a healthy person. 1.00

00:17:22.200 And so I immediately hit them hard and they're delicious.

00:17:26.780 And not only are they delicious, they don't make you feel bad.

00:17:29.100 You hit any kind of chip on the market in the United States, eat a whole bag of them, for example, and man, you do not feel good.

00:17:36.640 I'm not going to get more specific, but you just, it's like a head injury.

00:17:39.980 You eat a bag of Masa chips, and I can confirm this because I did, and you feel great.

00:17:43.580 You feel totally fine because it's real food.

00:17:46.420 There's nothing weird in there.

00:17:47.740 There are no weird chemicals in there.

00:17:49.080 Once again, there are no seed oils, just three simple ingredients.

00:17:53.420 And so I thought, well, this is a pretty amazing company making a snack food that's not going to kill you.

00:18:00.520 And you don't feel bad about it.

00:18:02.260 It's like basically what your grandparents ate.

00:18:04.040 So we reached out to Masa and said, hey, if you ever do advertising, we'd love to advertise them because we love the chips.

00:18:10.300 And they said, sure.

00:18:11.660 And so that's what we're doing right now.

00:18:13.080 We're telling the truth about something that we eat and love and we think is great and recommend it strongly on the basis of more personal experience than I want to admit in public.

00:18:23.020 But they're really, really good.

00:18:23.980 So you can go to masachips.com slash discount slash Tucker to start snacking well.

00:18:30.260 You get 20% off your first order.

00:18:32.740 We enjoy them.

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00:20:03.380 We do, too.

00:20:04.800 So here's what we know.

00:20:05.620 Just to go back to the DCA crash for a minute, because it's...

00:20:08.760 And all I know is what she said in her press conference.

00:20:11.160 It is...

00:20:11.880 It was astounding.

00:20:13.120 Why don't we know who was flying the helicopter?

00:20:15.960 I'm sure they do, based on, I mean, the voices.

00:20:22.040 One was a female, one was a male, right? 0.95

00:20:23.760 So the flying pilot is never the talking pilot.

00:20:26.260 So just listening to the tapes, you could tell if it's a female voice, then the male was flying.

00:20:30.880 If it was a male voice, the female was flying. 1.00

00:20:32.000 So I don't know.

00:20:33.420 Why the hesitance to assign blame?

00:20:37.340 All these people died?

00:20:38.400 Oh, no, no.

00:20:39.100 It's not hesitance to assign blame.

00:20:40.860 This is the initial, right?

00:20:42.380 This is just the fact piece.

00:20:43.780 It takes up to a year.

00:20:44.880 They go through all the flight data.

00:20:46.940 We don't know if she was off her location because of a mechanical failure, right?

00:20:52.180 You know, we all want the answer as to why, but we, in the industry, want the fix.

00:20:58.420 Of course.

00:20:58.920 So were the altimeters off, was it a training issue, was somebody in the wrong place, was it air traffic control, et cetera?

00:21:06.540 So we've got to go through all of that.

00:21:09.140 And they'll recreate it and superimpose it and fly it in a simulator and check all these different pieces and parameters.

00:21:15.560 And then they'll start looking at blame.

00:21:17.280 But your point is the structure itself was reckless and crazy.

00:21:20.640 The system was broken and it should have never happened.

00:21:23.360 There was a plane in, I know you saw this, in Canada, I think in Toronto at Pearson, that came in really, really hard on landing and flipped over.

00:21:33.580 Remarkably, everyone survived.

00:21:35.240 Great job by the flight attendants.

00:21:37.960 I guess that's my point.

00:21:40.140 Wherever you get to the stage where you're relying on the flight attendants.

00:21:43.920 To save you?

00:21:44.940 Yeah.

00:21:45.340 But that's what they're trained to do.

00:21:46.940 So that was actually perfect.

00:21:48.540 And God bless them.

00:21:49.280 Of course.

00:21:49.920 But like, how do we get to the point where, like, how did it flip over?

00:21:54.000 How do you flip over a plane on a runway?

00:21:55.820 I don't understand that.

00:21:56.920 They haven't given out the preliminary.

00:21:58.920 I have my personal opinion.

00:22:00.300 It's only opinion.

00:22:01.660 Of course.

00:22:02.420 And you're obviously.

00:22:03.300 We know the female was flying, right? 0.96

00:22:05.500 Because of the radio calls.

00:22:07.420 I'm a human factors expert.

00:22:09.480 Part of that involves vision.

00:22:10.740 So I'm thinking that they were coming down.

00:22:14.360 And you've seen the snow kind of swirl across the road a little bit.

00:22:17.600 Yes, for sure.

00:22:18.060 I think she was looking at the point.

00:22:19.880 And she was ready to transition her eyes and land.

00:22:22.480 And she got a swirl.

00:22:23.840 And I think she lost a little bit of, you know, SA, situational awareness with the runway.

00:22:28.800 That's what I think.

00:22:29.640 Because she flew it right into the runway. 0.97

00:22:31.800 Hard.

00:22:32.620 So that was the core problem.

00:22:34.100 She hit too hard. 0.94

00:22:35.000 She hit too hard. 0.94

00:22:35.880 And it collapsed.

00:22:36.900 It broke the gear.

00:22:37.680 And one wing went up.

00:22:39.820 High wing is flying.

00:22:40.800 Low wing is not.

00:22:41.540 And it flipped right over. 0.99

00:22:43.540 Damn. 0.99

00:22:44.220 Remarkable. 0.99

00:22:44.720 Some people think it is involving, you know, a gust, a last minute shear.

00:22:48.880 But I don't see the ailerons moving on the wings to counteract that.

00:22:52.960 So I still think it has something to do with just a little bit of situational awareness at the end.

00:22:58.200 We'll know.

00:22:58.820 We'll know in 30 days.

00:22:59.360 So if you're moving people through the process at accelerated speed, both for ideological reasons and for practical reasons.

00:23:06.760 Right.

00:23:07.060 You've got to fill the seats.

00:23:07.940 Yep.

00:23:08.120 So if you're hiring on the basis of irrelevant criteria, then inevitably you're going to get a reduced skill level.

00:23:16.580 Like, how could you not?

00:23:17.840 Especially when the pilots are more worried about their rock videos and they're part of a click, if you've seen it.

00:23:23.120 The girls at Endeavor embarrassed me. 0.92

00:23:25.880 I missed this.

00:23:26.660 You didn't see the video.

00:23:27.660 No, but I could tell.

00:23:28.480 I'll be appalled by it.

00:23:28.940 Yeah, there was some promo video done by a bunch of young ladies and they were talking about, you know, all-female crew.

00:23:37.840 And I think it was a recruiting video, but it was embarrassing to those of us who worked hard.

00:23:41.660 What airline was this?

00:23:42.540 That was the airline.

00:23:43.820 Endeavor, I think it was.

00:23:45.000 Endeavor.

00:23:45.340 The one that flipped in Toronto.

00:23:47.320 Oh, seriously?

00:23:48.260 Seriously?

00:23:48.540 It was all over the day.

00:23:49.480 And they put out a TikTok of like-

00:23:50.760 But it was before that.

00:23:51.900 Girl power TikTok kind of thing? 0.99

00:23:52.740 Yeah, girl power TikTok came out and, of course, it broke the internet after the accident. 0.89

00:23:58.740 And so I want to fly with professional adults, not children, and that was kind of embarrassing.

00:24:04.600 Have you personally ever flown with someone who you thought wasn't quite up to the job?

00:24:08.480 Yeah.

00:24:09.300 Oh, wow.

00:24:09.880 Oh, yeah.

00:24:10.180 How can you tell?

00:24:12.780 You can tell if their head's in the game.

00:24:14.620 I had one young man who had a broken heart.

00:24:16.940 We solved that problem.

00:24:17.960 I had him replaced on the next trip.

00:24:19.780 He was a little distracted.

00:24:22.180 Some guys kind of all over the place with a stick.

00:24:26.300 It's interesting to watch your military single seat guys transition to transport category.

00:24:30.880 Because they want to do this, you know, but they settled down.

00:24:34.240 Most recently, and the most scary one I've had, I was flying.

00:24:39.320 And I was flying a visual approach into Houston.

00:24:42.240 And we're at 1,500 feet and runways in sight.

00:24:45.560 We're all set.

00:24:46.680 And he'd watched me fly for a little bit.

00:24:48.380 And he says, can I ask a question?

00:24:49.880 Of course, it's a sterile cockpit.

00:24:51.020 You're not supposed to.

00:24:51.640 But I go, yeah.

00:24:52.620 He goes, what are you looking at when you fly a visual approach?

00:24:57.480 I was astounded.

00:24:58.660 The ground?

00:25:01.160 I said, when we get on the ground, we'll talk about this.

00:25:03.840 No, you're cross-checking your instruments.

00:25:05.780 You're double-checking the ILS.

00:25:07.160 There's some outside light indicators.

00:25:09.140 There's all the inside-outside to aviate an airplane, right?

00:25:14.180 And you're checking your speed.

00:25:15.340 And he really didn't understand.

00:25:17.280 And I said, why do you not understand?

00:25:20.160 He said, because in the simulator, they told me, fly the autopilot to 50 feet, click it off, look up, and land.

00:25:28.160 I almost fell over.

00:25:29.240 And I've talked to a lot of people about this.

00:25:32.620 And I don't really think that that's what they were training.

00:25:34.880 I think what they were trying to train was how to do a visual approach in a simulator that doesn't allow it.

00:25:40.500 They just need to check the block.

00:25:41.720 So you'll learn this out on the line.

00:25:44.020 You know, this is how we're going to teach you to fly the simulator only.

00:25:46.580 But he understood that to be how you would operate in an airplane.

00:25:50.060 So the disconnect is there because the experience level wasn't there.

00:25:54.380 So if I have a pilot approaching me saying, what are you looking at when you land an airplane?

00:26:00.600 That's a problem.

00:26:02.440 So I think for, you know, non-pilot civilians like me, the expectation is that all your pilots either come for the military or Embry-Riddle or a school-like.

00:26:12.840 A school-like, sure.

00:26:14.000 Or a school-like, Embry-Riddle being the most famous.

00:26:16.840 My alma mater.

00:26:17.860 Your alma mater.

00:26:18.380 But that they're all kind of like aviation nuts and they like bug their dad for lessons at the local airport.

00:26:25.420 Wash the airplane for a lesson.

00:26:26.500 Exactly.

00:26:27.380 And that they have a lot of experience in Cessnas.

00:26:31.160 And that that's really relevant because the basics of aviation are just so obvious in a little plane, right?

00:26:37.200 Do you ever get pilots who don't have that experience?

00:26:42.000 No, most have that experience or at least come up through the civilian world.

00:26:45.240 Military is getting harder to find, right?

00:26:46.900 We're not, the military is shorthanded as it is.

00:26:49.380 People aren't leaving, you know, we haven't had a war recently.

00:26:52.100 So they're not leaving the military.

00:26:55.180 They've all left the military, right?

00:26:56.920 Because of the policies.

00:26:58.720 And they're here already.

00:26:59.620 There's no one in the pipeline.

00:27:01.560 And so that's the problem.

00:27:03.240 It's who's out there, you know?

00:27:06.220 And so people that weren't necessarily the creme de la creme, now we're stuck with what's left.

00:27:13.220 And it's, we're trying to fill seats.

00:27:14.760 It's, I will say, well, the economic demise of something like a Spirit is a bad thing for those people who are now starting to get them coming to the big airlines.

00:27:26.200 And so that's good for the passengers.

00:27:27.700 It's good for them.

00:27:28.440 They do have experience.

00:27:29.520 But that rapid desire to grow post-pandemic, we, my airline, went from 10,000 pilots to, as of last week, 18,000 in two and a half, three years. 0.99

00:27:46.160 Damn. 0.99

00:27:46.740 That changes. 0.99

00:27:47.820 Where'd those new pilots come from?

00:27:49.760 Everywhere.

00:27:50.420 The internet?

00:27:51.160 Mostly, Microsoft Flight Simulator?

00:27:53.460 No.

00:27:53.640 Mostly, you know, the regionals.

00:27:57.460 We'd already drained the military, so they're coming up as fast as they can.

00:28:01.880 And they, out of college, restricted ATP at 1,250 hours, fly to 1,500, interview, and right in the door, right in the right seat of a 757.

00:28:11.820 And two years later, you're a captain.

00:28:14.240 And you're talking about 26, 25?

00:28:17.840 Oof.

00:28:20.480 So that slowdown judgment isn't there either.

00:28:24.340 The hardest thing I have to do at work, Tucker, is explain to my new first officers that when you see on your papers that the van leaves at 8 o'clock, that's go, not show.

00:28:38.540 Don't show up and pay your credit card bill and all these things.

00:28:42.740 They're young.

00:28:43.660 I don't want to generalize this and say that whole entire, because my son's of that generation, and he's responsible.

00:28:50.020 They're just irresponsible and want to do it their own way.

00:28:52.600 They're just green at life.

00:28:54.680 Not just at piloting.

00:28:55.620 They're green at life.

00:28:56.480 They haven't dealt with responsibilities and things.

00:28:58.800 And, you know, they don't want to fly.

00:29:02.240 They call it fatigued a half hour before the flight.

00:29:05.140 And it's like, dude, you had better be where you need to be.

00:29:09.140 That's what they pay us for, right?

00:29:11.440 You've had people crap out a half an hour before?

00:29:14.420 Saturday night in Newark, and I was a passenger.

00:29:16.700 Yeah.

00:29:17.540 No way.

00:29:19.660 Like, just too hungover to fly.

00:29:21.300 No.

00:29:21.820 He'd flown from one airport into Newark.

00:29:24.840 He started at 9 o'clock at night, flew a 30-minute flight.

00:29:26.880 They were going to reassign him to cover the late flight.

00:29:30.140 And he just said, no, I'm fatigued.

00:29:33.700 Oh, wow.

00:29:34.340 So, that becomes a problem, too.

00:29:36.860 So, all of these reasons that we need to maybe hold on to our senior pilots to mentor our junior pilots a little longer, they add up.

00:29:46.100 What, just to finish it off, what happened to the kid who asked you what you're looking at while you're landing?

00:29:53.420 We talked about it.

00:29:54.560 He's good.

00:29:55.240 He'll be just fine.

00:29:56.220 And I've talked to the training department and explained to them that we have some questions out there.

00:30:00.440 So, I'll see him again shortly on another trip, and we'll talk about it again.

00:30:05.280 But I'm sure he's...

00:30:05.980 In all these decades of flying, have you ever been afraid in a plane?

00:30:08.700 Never.

00:30:09.500 Not one time?

00:30:10.500 Never.

00:30:11.520 Don't have time to, Tucker.

00:30:13.620 Instinct takes over.

00:30:14.720 Adrenaline takes over.

00:30:16.060 If your pilot's afraid, they probably shouldn't be there.

00:30:17.880 No, that's right.

00:30:18.440 In fact, everything just slows down.

00:30:20.980 As fast as I go, and I am, you know, most people say, sure, you talk too fast.

00:30:25.280 No, I say, you listen too slow.

00:30:26.740 But, you know, when it comes down to the emergency, everything just stops.

00:30:32.920 And that's what you want.

00:30:34.120 Have you had emergencies?

00:30:35.640 I've been blessed.

00:30:36.840 No.

00:30:37.160 No.

00:30:37.540 My husband, however, has a black cloud over his head.

00:30:39.880 Really?

00:30:40.240 What happened to him?

00:30:41.620 I'm looking at him under the corner of my eye right now.

00:30:44.540 He looks very calm, I must say.

00:30:46.180 Well, 1998, on St. Paddy's Day, yesterday was the anniversary of his almost near death.

00:30:51.220 It was near midair at Newark.

00:30:53.740 Let's see, he's had a rapid decompression, an explosive decompression, a full hydraulic system failure.

00:31:00.060 And he took one of my flights, because we were on the same airplane at the time, and he flew to Santiago, Chile.

00:31:05.100 And he had a complete standby power system failure, which is something that should have never happened in a Boeing 767.

00:31:12.520 So what does that mean?

00:31:14.520 It means they armed the autopilot for the approach, an explosion came out of the dash, everything goes crazy.

00:31:22.140 The first officer flies, they have no auto brakes, they have no speed brakes, they have no number one radio, everything is gone.

00:31:31.160 And he landed the airplane and stuck his big cowboy boots on those brakes, and slid the airplane a little sideways, blew six trucks, I think, melted the wheels to the runway, or to the taxiway.

00:31:44.320 And they shot him with water for, what, two hours?

00:31:48.300 And he called me up and he goes, you owe me.

00:31:50.380 And I went, don't wait me up for another hour, bye.

00:31:54.640 Had no idea what had happened, he was on the news, it was crazy.

00:31:58.460 What was the cause of it, did anyone figure it out?

00:32:00.760 Some sort of electrical shortout in the system.

00:32:03.840 Do you ever worry about fire while you're flying?

00:32:06.160 That's my biggest fear.

00:32:07.420 Me too.

00:32:07.900 Fire is the one thing you don't want to deal with.

00:32:10.760 Does that ever happen?

00:32:12.560 I haven't seen it in a while.

00:32:13.700 You know, what was it, Air Transat?

00:32:16.780 Or was it Swiss Air?

00:32:18.460 Up in the North Atlantic, going in, they diverted into Gander, one of them, and they didn't quite make it.

00:32:26.700 Because of fire.

00:32:27.520 Fire.

00:32:27.980 We take lithium batteries very seriously, right?

00:32:31.100 Because we have containment bags if your laptop lithium starts to go, because, you know, that's kind of an uncontrollable fire, and we want to get that out.

00:32:39.000 So, you know, again, everything that happens, happens in blood, and we change the rules, so.

00:32:45.600 What are the rules now on lithium batteries?

00:32:48.280 Boy, you, I'm not familiar, it comes with the dangerous goods report, but, you know, you can have whatever you have on the plane, but if you check something with a lithium battery and you don't disclose it, it's a big deal.

00:33:00.100 Because, you know, all of that, as long as we know about it, they package them properly, like a wheelchair or something like that, but they just want you to disclose it.

00:33:07.140 So, is there any way for them to know if you don't disclose it?

00:33:10.980 I don't know. 0.99

00:33:12.920 Damn. 1.00

00:33:13.380 I don't know. 0.99

00:33:14.520 I don't think there's a sense for it.

00:33:15.480 So, that's your number one fear.

00:33:16.980 Yeah, fire is it.

00:33:18.200 But, you know, I also worry about the mental health of the person flying next to me.

00:33:23.820 There have been a lot of pilot suicides.

00:33:26.840 Well.

00:33:27.400 I mean, relatively speaking, Turkish air.

00:33:30.100 Yes.

00:33:30.800 Maybe Malaysian air.

00:33:32.420 Yeah.

00:33:33.040 You know, you had German wings.

00:33:34.300 That was a big one.

00:33:34.900 And that was in 2016, and the pilot, you know, the captain left the flight deck, and the first officer punched a hole in the Alps and took everybody with him.

00:33:42.960 And that's a bad thing, but the worst thing now, or the fear of mine, is as we're moving through this whole, Kathy says she's a woman, but she's really not, it's the FAA certification process.

00:33:57.240 And I'm concerned.

00:33:58.020 Aren't you, aren't you, by definition, unstable if you castrate yourself?

00:34:01.240 Well, we can go back and see what the FAA says about it.

00:34:04.560 No, I mean, I'm not being mean.

00:34:06.480 I feel deep sympathy.

00:34:08.800 I feel sad to that level of hurting yourself is like, is a tragedy.

00:34:14.500 It's a tragedy, right?

00:34:15.820 And you're the victim of that evil. 1.00

00:34:17.140 However, that seems like prima facie, like, I don't want to use the word crazy because I don't want to be mean, but that you're not a stable person if you're cutting your genitals off, right? 0.99

00:34:26.320 Or taking gender-affirming hormones. 0.95

00:34:28.580 Yeah, like, it all seems like the clearest possible sign of mental instability.

00:34:36.360 Like, what could be clearer than that?

00:34:37.900 But you have to look at the FAA certification process and how we got here.

00:34:42.620 I still question how those people with the new executive orders that says, you know, birth, gender, it has to be on your medical certificate, it has to be on your pilot's license.

00:34:51.680 I don't know if that's been done yet.

00:34:53.340 But I question how these people got certified to begin with.

00:34:56.500 So we go back and we do a little history.

00:34:58.640 2012, some lobbying.

00:35:01.100 They lighten the requirements for the psychological testing if you're transgender from massive amounts of reports down to one or two.

00:35:08.200 Seriously?

00:35:08.860 Yeah, down to two.

00:35:09.580 Lobbying, do you know who lobbied for that?

00:35:11.600 There is a particular female pilot, or excuse me, transgender pilot, who was able to get some folks in Congress. 1.00

00:35:19.540 But it gets worse.

00:35:20.320 In 16, when the federal air surgeon, Dr. Michael Berry, was distracted about pilot mental health dealing with the outcome of the German wings,

00:35:28.380 the several transgender organizations and another pilot really pushed.

00:35:34.300 And they got Barney Frank and Congressman out of California to take up their charge.

00:35:43.800 And the way they did it was pretty brilliant.

00:35:46.300 The Diagnostics and Statistics Manual of the American Psychiatric Association, the DSM, had changed from revision four to five the definition from gender dysphoric disorder to gender dysphoria.

00:36:01.300 Now, they did it for a reason.

00:36:03.400 They wanted to take the stigma off for the poor transgender people, right?

00:36:07.140 But they couldn't fully pull it out because then there wouldn't be a diagnosis code and they could not then use their insurance to cover their surgeries or their home room replacements.

00:36:18.260 There's articles all over the internet about it, right?

00:36:20.580 That's fascinating.

00:36:21.500 They were playing the game because the American Psychiatric Association, of course, supports all that. 0.79

00:36:26.680 They're absurd.

00:36:27.720 I mean, and I mean this with the full pejorative connotations. 0.99

00:36:32.440 They're crazy, actually. 1.00

00:36:34.120 The psychiatrists are nuts. 1.00

00:36:35.680 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:36:36.720 The inmates are running the asylum.

00:36:38.780 So, they did this move on and Barry was kind of looking one way or maybe he was on it, but this was under the Obama administration.

00:36:46.560 So, we're just starting to see this push, right?

00:36:49.120 And so, the FAA changed the rules and they said, well, you've got to have a little bit of testing.

00:36:55.680 But if you're five years transitioned or five years on hormones, you can just go back to your regular aviation medical examiner and just get your six-month check.

00:37:03.780 No special issuance required.

00:37:05.680 Wait a second.

00:37:07.680 At the time that was going on, there were studies out there that showed exactly what you indicated.

00:37:13.440 In fact, the statistics from the National Transgender or something, their own statistics.

00:37:18.880 They had surveyed over 27,000 of their members and I believe it was 39% said they had suffered serious mental health issues in the month prior to the survey.

00:37:31.240 40% said they had attempted suicide in their lifetime and 7% in the month prior to the survey.

00:37:38.400 That data was available.

00:37:39.920 7%?

00:37:40.500 7%?

00:37:41.080 I shouldn't laugh.

00:37:41.700 It's tragic.

00:37:42.420 But 7% tried to kill themselves in the last month?

00:37:45.060 In the last month.

00:37:45.700 Of 27,000 people, do the math.

00:37:48.180 I mean, somewhere in there, there's got to be an airline pilot applicant, right?

00:37:52.060 So, why did the federal air surgeon not, like, look at some of the data that was available?

00:37:59.120 You don't want suicidal people flying commercial airplanes.

00:38:01.460 You don't want suicidal people flying airplanes.

00:38:02.500 But even more importantly, studies have been done since then that are even worse.

00:38:08.120 Now, we look at the medical side of it and hormone replacement therapy, right?

00:38:14.180 Do you know what it, the number one thing the FAA medical department is pilot incapacitation, right?

00:38:19.340 That's heart attacks, that's deep vein thrombosis, it's strokes.

00:38:24.180 Everything that we go through as pilots, aside from our ability to hear and see, is to ensure that we will not become incapacitated in our seat.

00:38:32.500 Right?

00:38:32.800 I'm not going to fall over because I have diabetes or something like that.

00:38:37.520 So, I think it was 2020 and it was updated in 23.

00:38:42.240 They conducted a study of males transitioning to females on hormone replacement therapy.

00:38:48.620 Now, they're not just pilots, just in general.

00:38:51.060 80 to 90% increase for DVT, heart attack, and stroke.

00:38:58.120 FAA is a risk-averse agency.

00:39:01.100 Seriously.

00:39:01.580 There were physical threats, not just like a person becomes suicidal.

00:39:07.360 That's one, that's a big one, that scares me the most.

00:39:09.740 I agree.

00:39:10.700 If the FAA is a risk-averse...

00:39:12.280 But cardiovascular effects.

00:39:13.720 Yeah.

00:39:14.440 I didn't know that.

00:39:15.180 If you're a risk-averse agency and you won't even consider a drug I might be taking because it might possibly indicate that I might have a heart attack.

00:39:24.340 Yes.

00:39:24.600 Why are you allowing these people who have an 80 to 90% increased chance for that to be in an airplane?

00:39:31.560 Because they're taking hormone replacement therapy.

00:39:33.920 Well, it's so wrong to do that to the public.

00:39:37.560 But there's no research arm that I fund at FAA because they're enjoying their coffee and their green desk.

00:39:43.780 Nobody's reading peer-reviewed studies.

00:39:45.920 Nobody's looking at this going, you know, we might want to walk that back.

00:39:50.640 I didn't.

00:39:52.420 And that's scary.

00:39:53.100 So, what drugs are you not allowed to take as a commercial airline pilot?

00:39:56.440 There's a bunch of them, right?

00:39:58.060 Yeah.

00:39:58.340 But you know what?

00:39:59.420 They don't publish the list.

00:40:00.760 So, you don't even know.

00:40:02.520 Only your aviation medical examiner knows.

00:40:05.860 But you could, but I know from knowing pilots.

00:40:08.140 There's many that you can take.

00:40:09.220 Many.

00:40:10.440 So, like, you probably think about it.

00:40:12.360 You think about your health.

00:40:13.360 You think about the drugs that you take because of your...

00:40:14.480 I don't take anything.

00:40:15.800 I don't.

00:40:16.540 I, you know, I use holistic stuff for colds and things.

00:40:19.540 Good for you.

00:40:20.900 I'm with you 100%.

00:40:22.080 But...

00:40:23.100 But you could take, like, radical doses of male hormones, and that would be cool.

00:40:28.940 Well, you have to disclose it.

00:40:30.640 Yeah.

00:40:30.960 On your medical.

00:40:31.740 But it appears after five years of taking radical doses, they don't make you...

00:40:36.560 I mean, you disclose it, but they don't really care.

00:40:38.880 If you can go five...

00:40:39.420 That was the key of the 2016 change.

00:40:42.020 If you can go five years, welcome to the club.

00:40:46.660 So, you have to report it, you know, and you have to have exams for that.

00:40:50.140 But even then, all of that was just about their mental health.

00:40:55.400 Nobody is considering what these hormones do long-term.

00:40:58.580 But it's even more criminal.

00:41:01.740 That's just a transgender issue. 1.00

00:41:03.860 If they're a medical, when it comes to the COVID vax, the FDA approved commutatory at, what, six o'clock at night on December 18th.

00:41:12.520 The next morning, same federal air surgeon approves of worldwide use in airline pilots.

00:41:17.100 Who is the federal air surgeon?

00:41:18.660 At that time, it was Dr. Michael Berry.

00:41:20.700 He retired a week later and went to work for a pilot insurance company.

00:41:24.500 But the criminal actions happening...

00:41:26.360 That sounds like a crime.

00:41:27.540 I mean, isn't he supposed to assess its effects on the millions of Americans who fly?

00:41:33.120 Well, at least take a look at, maybe do a longitudinal study on the transgender issue.

00:41:39.120 But when it comes to the COVID situation, the effects of altitude, pressurization, and we work in a very dry humidity.

00:41:49.200 We don't...

00:41:49.600 This is an EUA product.

00:41:50.960 It's never had an EUA product ever, ever certified for use in pilots.

00:41:55.760 And he'd written many articles on the drug certification process.

00:41:58.180 Can I just ask, because I'm interested, like, what are the effects on your health as a pilot of spending 35 years in a cockpit?

00:42:05.960 Because it is a weird...

00:42:07.100 A lot of wrinkles.

00:42:07.880 It's dry, right?

00:42:09.600 Yes.

00:42:10.020 It's dry.

00:42:10.700 So, hydration, cosmic radiation, I've had skin cancer.

00:42:16.460 Coming through the...

00:42:17.740 Well, it's cosmic radiation is when you fly above the atropopause or up in that area, right?

00:42:23.220 So, there's radiation all the time.

00:42:25.480 It's not just when the sun's shining, right?

00:42:27.240 It's exactly what the astronauts suffer up on the space station.

00:42:32.500 You know, it's radiation that's up there.

00:42:34.760 So, a lot of your pilots, high levels of prostate cancer among male pilots, breast cancer among female pilots, through the roof. 0.69

00:42:41.840 Really?

00:42:42.400 Mm-hmm.

00:42:42.900 Mm-hmm.

00:42:43.340 You know, we're not in a shielded environment.

00:42:45.860 The higher you fly, the stronger it is.

00:42:48.060 So, when we look at those sorts of things, yeah, take care of yourself, folks.

00:42:52.380 But we don't know what those drugs were doing to people.

00:42:57.520 And we don't know pressurization, humidity, and altitude effects on them.

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00:45:26.240 Yeah, because it's a totally different environment from the one the rest of us live in day to day.

00:45:31.520 So, explain what happened with COVID.

00:45:32.840 So, COVID.

00:45:34.200 So, just if you don't mind telling that story because I think it's interesting.

00:45:37.560 From the mandate perspective?

00:45:39.600 Yeah, from a mandate perspective.

00:45:40.920 Okay.

00:45:41.140 Not from the Wuhan lab.

00:45:43.020 Yeah, no.

00:45:43.840 Fauci funded.

00:45:44.900 No.

00:45:45.340 Well, I mean, it's interesting, Tucker, because I really never thought I'd ever get into any of this fight.

00:45:49.300 I'm just a mom.

00:45:50.340 I'm cruising along through life.

00:45:52.260 And New Year's Eve of 2018, I looked in the rearview mirror and the lights were going off and I pulled over.

00:45:59.880 I got busted for DUI.

00:46:01.720 Ooh.

00:46:01.960 Yeah.

00:46:03.040 Greatest thing that ever happened to me.

00:46:04.260 And God, I questioned him.

00:46:07.020 And my darling husband said, he never gives you more than you can handle, Sherry.

00:46:11.040 And I didn't know at the time, but he was preparing me for the fight of my life.

00:46:15.760 I had to fight to get my job back.

00:46:18.280 The FAA was straightforward.

00:46:20.600 Because of my former union work, I believe, you know, maybe it was a little more difficult than normal at my airline.

00:46:28.240 But I succeeded and I got all my back pay and everything I needed.

00:46:31.120 But it taught me how to navigate against a corporate conglomerate.

00:46:36.840 And so I went back to work and on August 6th, the CEO of my airline announces that there will be a vaccine mandate or you'll be fired in a month.

00:46:48.780 And I'm sorry.

00:46:49.720 2021.

00:46:50.440 2021, August 6th.

00:46:53.120 Craziest day of my life.

00:46:54.860 Called my best friend.

00:46:55.840 She's also a captain and she's known around the airline.

00:46:59.620 She's kind of the mom type and she's had a vaccine injured family member. 1.00

00:47:03.300 So Laura Cox and myself, along with the wife of one of the pilots, who's an attorney, Danielle, the three of us got our heads together and we said, how are we going to get through this?

00:47:18.080 Because I'm not going to violate my faith and take a product that derived from aborted fetal tissue cells, et cetera, et cetera.

00:47:25.220 And that was my-

00:47:25.720 I think that's just a conspiracy theory.

00:47:27.260 That's not true.

00:47:30.000 Shall I throw the glass of water now?

00:47:31.460 No, no, no.

00:47:31.920 No, no, it's just so funny.

00:47:33.540 It's like for that whole period, I try not to think about COVID and that whole chapter in our country's history and in my life, but you would hear people say, well, I'm getting a religious exemption.

00:47:43.920 And then no one ever asked why.

00:47:45.420 No.

00:47:45.720 And if you ask why, they'd be like, well, there's some connection between the vaccines, the COVID vaccines and abortion.

00:47:52.220 And then you'd hear someone in the background say, that's a lie.

00:47:54.620 And then just sort of move on and no one ever talked about it.

00:47:56.940 But those vaccines were derived from aborted babies.

00:47:59.480 Forded fetal tissue cells were used in either the development or the manufacture of all three of the U.S.-approved drugs.

00:48:06.880 So I think I haven't checked because I'm trying to read Wikipedia because it's just CIA-controlled lies, which it is.

00:48:12.740 But I bet you to this day they deny that.

00:48:15.380 But that's just a fact?

00:48:16.940 It's a fact.

00:48:17.940 Yeah.

00:48:18.060 I mean, it's a fact.

00:48:19.620 Ask the Secretary of Health and Human Services.

00:48:21.520 He'll tell you the facts.

00:48:22.460 Yeah.

00:48:22.620 So that was a no-go for you right there.

00:48:25.960 That was a no-go for me.

00:48:26.900 It was a no-go for my husband.

00:48:28.760 It was also a no-go for Laura.

00:48:30.160 And about 8,000, well, at the beginning, there was probably 20,000 people at United.

00:48:34.600 It was a no-go.

00:48:36.180 And so as it progressed, 8,000, the pressure got put on us.

00:48:42.840 They sent postcards to our house so that, in our case, we're married, it didn't matter.

00:48:47.020 But they would send a postcard to your house and it would say, you know, you only have 22 days left to get the vaccine or be terminated.

00:48:53.040 Well, the wife won't open your mail, but she'll read your postcard, right? 0.97

00:48:57.020 So she reads it.

00:48:57.780 She goes, honey, we're going to lose everything.

00:48:59.960 People would acquiesce.

00:49:01.180 They told people that you would lose your 401k if you didn't leave the company or get the shot.

00:49:08.260 I mean, the mid-level managers, you know, that are-

00:49:11.880 They said, do you lose your 401k?

00:49:13.420 Yeah.

00:49:13.780 I have a recording of a pilot being told that.

00:49:18.240 You can't have your retirement.

00:49:19.880 You can't have your own money, right?

00:49:22.020 It gets better.

00:49:22.880 But this pressure was just intense, right?

00:49:26.180 And so people would fall off.

00:49:28.360 And the whole reasonable accommodation process was onerous and corrupt in itself.

00:49:33.380 And there's thousands of pages of discovery documents on our organization's website.

00:49:39.160 So if anybody wants to read about, but they wanted to put like scarlet letters on our ID badges for the unvaccinated. 0.58

00:49:46.960 And so the other people would point and pick on us.

00:49:49.060 It was crazy.

00:49:50.180 But the three of us got together, put our heads together.

00:49:53.900 We hired the best law firm we could find, Sher Jaffe out of D.C.

00:49:58.440 And we filed for an injunction.

00:50:00.760 And we still didn't quite get there in November of 21.

00:50:06.360 Every one of us were put on unpaid indefinite leave.

00:50:09.700 Basically fired.

00:50:10.580 What did they say to you?

00:50:12.220 They didn't.

00:50:12.700 They just said, you're done.

00:50:14.860 And how long had you worked at the airline at that point?

00:50:17.520 I got hired in 1998.

00:50:18.720 It was 2021.

00:50:21.000 That's crazy town.

00:50:23.240 So you spent like most of your adult life there.

00:50:26.040 Never had a problem.

00:50:27.840 Well, I was a union rep.

00:50:29.020 I've had my share.

00:50:29.820 But fights with fights.

00:50:31.980 But yeah, in general, no.

00:50:33.600 I've never had an accident.

00:50:34.240 But you never crashed a plane.

00:50:35.140 Oh, gosh, no.

00:50:35.740 Never failed a checker.

00:50:36.720 I'd never have done anything like that.

00:50:38.580 And they just can you without...

00:50:41.320 Sayonara.

00:50:42.560 See ya.

00:50:45.460 But we kept moving.

00:50:46.680 I want to attack your CEO.

00:50:48.920 I don't want...

00:50:49.200 I used to work there.

00:50:49.800 So I don't want to make your life even harder.

00:50:50.480 Well, I mean, it's in the press.

00:50:51.960 We all know there were three airlines that mandated the vaccine.

00:50:54.900 Hawaiian, Coletta Air Cargo, and United.

00:50:57.680 So...

00:50:57.880 That's it?

00:50:58.360 That was it.

00:50:58.920 The rest were mandated eventually because nobody would follow along, right?

00:51:03.020 They knew better.

00:51:04.140 But United was the only domestic...

00:51:06.820 Well, Hawaiian's domestic, technically.

00:51:08.380 Not France. 0.83

00:51:09.280 I know what you are.

00:51:09.920 Let's be honest.

00:51:11.900 Contiguous United States.

00:51:13.060 Continental United States.

00:51:13.920 You know, the big carriers.

00:51:14.980 Right.

00:51:15.440 Delta, American...

00:51:16.980 Mm-mm.

00:51:17.900 No.

00:51:18.920 Only United.

00:51:19.860 Nobody followed.

00:51:21.500 Then the president, Joe Biden, instituted the OSHA mandate, right?

00:51:27.840 For contract...

00:51:28.920 If you have more than 100 employees, you have to mandate this.

00:51:32.700 Or the government contractor mandate.

00:51:34.660 If you do work and everybody flies the mail, right?

00:51:36.980 $4.6 billion business every year to the airlines and flying the U.S. mail.

00:51:41.020 So, as a contractor, you had to mandate it.

00:51:43.360 But the guys at SW Freedom Flyers, in North, me up in Dallas, they, you know, they did a

00:51:51.160 little pushback.

00:51:52.100 The American boys, the Delta folks.

00:51:54.340 And so, the exemption process for them was just kind of a paper mill.

00:51:59.300 Their bosses were cool about it.

00:52:00.740 They were just like, whatever.

00:52:01.880 And eventually, both those mandates were overturned in court.

00:52:05.720 But...

00:52:06.120 That was the way to play it, by the way.

00:52:07.580 Yeah, be kind to your employees.

00:52:08.800 A hundred percent.

00:52:11.140 Firing long-time employees because they don't want a vaccine?

00:52:13.920 I mean, it's like so cruel.

00:52:17.080 Yeah.

00:52:17.700 But it played into a marketing campaign.

00:52:20.640 Who did that? 0.91

00:52:21.580 Who made that decision?

00:52:22.800 Well, it was made by the CEO.

00:52:24.420 I mean, it's in the court testimony.

00:52:27.060 And the judge ruled that it was a pretextual situation whereby there was a marketing campaign

00:52:33.600 at the bottom line.

00:52:34.640 And so, there was a desire for that CEO to be able to come out publicly and say, in my

00:52:40.060 opinion, at least, that they were the first fully vaccinated airline.

00:52:43.280 If they could do it by the holidays of December, maybe people would come back.

00:52:47.380 Who doesn't fly on the first fully vaccinated airline?

00:52:51.180 I don't...

00:52:51.800 Yeah.

00:52:52.120 I don't want to fly on an airline with vaccinated pilots because it's dangerous. 1.00

00:52:55.020 So, that's my view.

00:52:56.760 But I guess a lot of people disagree.

00:52:58.200 So, this was a...

00:52:59.040 To his credit, his argument has always been, it's been about safety.

00:53:02.280 Safety for my employees.

00:53:03.320 Look, I'm an adult.

00:53:04.640 I can make my own medical decisions.

00:53:06.320 So, I don't need my CEO deciding my safety situation.

00:53:09.380 But that was his argument.

00:53:10.500 I want to just get that on the record.

00:53:11.960 Because if you get the experimental COVID vaccine, you can't get or transmit COVID.

00:53:15.520 Like, we know that, right?

00:53:16.640 Did that turn out to be true?

00:53:18.660 I've never had COVID.

00:53:19.740 Does this CEO, you'll have to name him if you don't want, but is he still running the airline?

00:53:23.020 Yep.

00:53:24.120 It doesn't have a board, I guess, the company.

00:53:27.180 I'm sorry?

00:53:27.560 There's no board.

00:53:28.220 Oh, yes, the board of directors, but, you know.

00:53:31.280 This is all so crazy.

00:53:32.520 No one's...

00:53:32.800 But everybody, after the pandemic, remember, after this went away and then we got, we went

00:53:37.340 in court and we get called back, oh, we're on to the next big thing, which is, you know,

00:53:42.520 pilots, male pilots, you know, or excuse me, male flight attendants with beards wearing

00:53:45.620 lipstick or whatever the issue of the day is.

00:53:47.980 So, you know, that's over.

00:53:51.040 That's over.

00:53:51.660 Don't worry about that.

00:53:51.960 So, what...

00:53:52.420 I keep stepping on your story.

00:53:53.500 Tell me...

00:53:54.200 Okay, so this comes down.

00:53:55.680 You go to court, try to get an injunction.

00:53:58.980 We don't get the injunction.

00:54:00.000 You don't get it.

00:54:01.020 And then you're laid off.

00:54:03.220 We're out.

00:54:03.820 Bam.

00:54:04.400 Bam.

00:54:04.800 Your husband, too?

00:54:05.680 Everybody.

00:54:06.800 No, but in your case, you're married...

00:54:08.260 In my house, too.

00:54:09.160 Yes, two of us.

00:54:10.120 And my son, God bless him, you know, he was going to school and dealing with two pilots 0.96

00:54:15.480 being home, which is unusual for him.

00:54:17.260 But, you know, we made it through...

00:54:18.360 So, your whole family's unemployed in one day because of this?

00:54:20.720 Instantly overnight.

00:54:21.960 Well, that's kind of heavy, actually.

00:54:23.320 How did you...

00:54:24.160 I mean...

00:54:24.560 It was very heavy.

00:54:25.660 You know what happened?

00:54:27.080 2,000 people came together.

00:54:29.860 Rampers, mechanics, flight attendants, pilots.

00:54:33.000 We became a family overnight.

00:54:35.300 I mean, over the last three years, I consider them my dearest, most wonderful friends.

00:54:39.480 And I want to say thank you to every one of them for the support.

00:54:41.920 Oh, what a blessing.

00:54:42.640 I mean, to me, servant leadership, it's the real deal.

00:54:46.700 I agree.

00:54:47.060 I led them.

00:54:48.780 They blessed me to the ability to lead them, right?

00:54:52.080 With my friend, Laura and Danielle.

00:54:54.780 You know, these people are incredible.

00:54:57.760 But we've been to birth together.

00:54:59.560 We've been through marriages.

00:55:00.500 We've been through deaths.

00:55:01.560 And I will tell you, those 2,000 people are more important to me than anything in this world.

00:55:05.560 I love them.

00:55:05.980 And they're there for each other.

00:55:08.460 We had battle buddies.

00:55:09.520 Somebody was feeling bad, you'd call a friend.

00:55:11.120 And we kept chat groups.

00:55:12.880 And those of the time, they're pretty prayerful.

00:55:15.280 We've debated books of the Bible.

00:55:17.200 I mean, we are just like this.

00:55:19.920 It's amazing.

00:55:20.620 So how many, so it was 2,000 people in the end got fired?

00:55:23.860 Yep.

00:55:24.540 And that was down from the initial number of people who said, I'm not taking it.

00:55:28.640 And 20,000 down to 8,000 down to this, you know.

00:55:32.260 But in the end, it was 2,000 people who stood strong.

00:55:35.400 Plus or minus, yeah, 2,000.

00:55:36.880 Did anyone fake getting a vaccine?

00:55:39.060 I have no knowledge of that.

00:55:40.320 I know a lot of people who have, in my community, not at my company, my husband's PA says, you know, her mom and dad walked in and they, somebody said it on the counter and there's the trash when you're done.

00:55:52.680 I mean, you know, we have doctor friends that are saying that so.

00:55:56.220 Oh, and everyone had a fake, I had a fake vax card proudly.

00:55:59.060 And I would do it again the next time there's tyranny.

00:56:01.040 I'm not obeying.

00:56:01.320 Except for there's only one way to get fired from my airline.

00:56:03.600 It's to lie.

00:56:04.920 Other than that, you can do it.

00:56:06.100 So I'm not going to do it.

00:56:07.580 Well, but you also make it, but it's also wrong to lie.

00:56:10.440 And I lied in using a fake vax card.

00:56:12.500 No, that's okay.

00:56:13.120 So you were able to live your life and good for you.

00:56:15.300 Yeah, but no, you're right.

00:56:16.260 That's a moral compromise.

00:56:17.560 And I probably should have done that.

00:56:19.340 I don't know.

00:56:20.120 Trying to think about it too much.

00:56:22.000 But no, but I think you're taking a really principled position in saying, I'm going to say clearly what I believe.

00:56:28.300 I don't think I should be punished for it.

00:56:29.720 When I am punished for it, I'm going to take my lumps and fight back.

00:56:32.240 So I admire what you did.

00:56:33.980 Yeah, we went through the EEOC process and then on through the courts.

00:56:37.200 And right now we sit in the Fifth Circuit on appeals.

00:56:40.380 So, and I couldn't be rooting for you more fervently, but.

00:56:45.000 Thank you.

00:56:45.440 So what, okay.

00:56:46.060 So what happened then?

00:56:46.700 So 2,000 are fired with no support.

00:56:50.620 Like they're not.

00:56:51.540 In fact, you should have been able to tap your 401k in an emergency situation, right?

00:56:59.520 They locked us out.

00:57:00.260 Like, what?

00:57:03.580 Like you're a criminal?

00:57:04.720 I could not access my 401k.

00:57:06.660 They said, well, you could apply for another job in the company.

00:57:09.360 I'm 57 years old.

00:57:10.540 I'm going to go throw bags.

00:57:12.540 Well, okay.

00:57:13.000 If you want to pay me my salary.

00:57:13.880 Oh, no, no.

00:57:14.320 You're going to do it for a baggage rate.

00:57:16.160 I'm going to have to drive to the airport every day and go throw bags. 0.99

00:57:17.820 The CEO sounds like a pig, actually. 0.98

00:57:19.900 Sorry. 0.99

00:57:20.240 That's my view.

00:57:20.960 You're not saying that.

00:57:21.640 You're welcome to.

00:57:22.540 Right.

00:57:22.780 That's my opinion. 0.99

00:57:23.480 I just want to be clear, but he sounds like a pig. 0.95

00:57:25.640 If you know Michael Berry in Houston, he has some, he's a radio man. 0.99

00:57:30.580 And he just sounds like an awful man.

00:57:32.940 And I hope he's punished. 0.57

00:57:34.580 He will be.

00:57:35.560 But anyway, so.

00:57:36.860 But we get called back because we won in the Fifth Circuit.

00:57:39.220 And how long was that?

00:57:40.640 It was, I think it was around February 17th.

00:57:43.880 So we were out November, December, January, four months.

00:57:47.740 Did you get into money trouble?

00:57:49.380 No.

00:57:50.120 You got no income coming yet?

00:57:51.560 Well, yeah, but, you know, we're old enough to have had some savings.

00:57:55.220 You're savings, right.

00:57:56.180 But you're burning reserves for the whole time.

00:57:58.220 Yeah, we are burning reserves.

00:57:59.080 I mean, but, you know, we don't live a grandiose lifestyle.

00:58:01.900 So, you know, cars are paid for and things like that.

00:58:03.940 And, you know, we were able to be.

00:58:06.140 But there had to be people.

00:58:07.620 Oh, there were people that were selling everything.

00:58:09.840 Laura, her husband sold his dream, which is a small fishing boat.

00:58:12.820 I mean, it was not like anything big.

00:58:14.940 But that was his dream because they needed to pay their bills.

00:58:18.040 You know, people were selling everything.

00:58:20.420 And some were taking other jobs.

00:58:21.700 Oh, you're making me emotional.

00:58:22.400 The mental health side of it was scary.

00:58:24.960 You don't understand the number of people, Brett or myself, talked out of suicide.

00:58:29.000 And it was tough.

00:58:30.200 But we made it.

00:58:30.740 So of those 2,000, can you just roughly break it down what they did?

00:58:34.260 How many pilots?

00:58:35.540 360 plus or minus pilots.

00:58:37.440 Okay.

00:58:38.040 There's about seven.

00:58:40.040 Let's see.

00:58:40.600 So that's 350.

00:58:41.680 There was about 50 to 100, what we call agents, you know, ticket agents.

00:58:47.320 And the balance would have been flight attendants. 0.92

00:58:50.120 The mechanics, the stores people, the majority of the agents that worked in larger cities, avionics technicians, management, they were able to work with a masking and testing regime.

00:59:05.100 But it was punitive.

00:59:06.740 It wasn't masking.

00:59:07.520 It was N95 respirators from the moment you pulled on property to the moment you left.

00:59:12.380 You ate outside.

00:59:13.240 It didn't matter if it was snowing, raining, cold.

00:59:15.640 You put it back between every bite and sip.

00:59:17.960 Wearing a yellow star the whole time.

00:59:19.760 That mask was the yellow star.

00:59:21.700 And then you had to be tested on a rolling every seven days.

00:59:25.620 And it didn't matter if you were out on family medical leave, if you got hurt at work or were on vacation.

00:59:30.480 You missed one test.

00:59:31.520 You were terminated.

00:59:33.580 And this is the one where they stick the stuff up your nose?

00:59:35.880 And that's a whole other issue.

00:59:37.360 I never did that.

00:59:37.920 I would never do it.

00:59:38.800 No.

00:59:38.960 So it was all punitive and it was all punishment.

00:59:41.880 But they justified it in that those people didn't work on board the airplane.

00:59:46.260 So for safety reasons, they were away from us.

00:59:48.000 Of those 2,000, of course, you can't really know.

00:59:50.460 But what's your sense of the percentage of Christians among?

00:59:53.780 Well, in our organization, I know I have seven Jewish members.

00:59:57.300 Yes.

00:59:57.540 I have a handful.

00:59:59.800 Religious? 0.96

01:00:00.780 Very much so.

01:00:02.660 The seven Jewish people are religious people?

01:00:05.220 Yeah, very much religious.

01:00:06.440 Very faithful.

01:00:07.160 Good for them.

01:00:07.720 One is actually fighting a battle to get an accommodation for wearing a very tight beard.

01:00:13.880 So we have those seven or so.

01:00:16.960 We have at least one or two Muslims that I know of.

01:00:22.740 Yes.

01:00:22.920 One of our lead plaintiffs was a Buddhist.

01:00:25.160 The majority of Christians.

01:00:26.160 But I mean observant.

01:00:28.820 Oh, every one of these people are observant.

01:00:31.120 So all 2,000 were religious people?

01:00:33.220 Well, I take that back.

01:00:34.860 We had a handful of people who were very observant but that had a medical issue and their doctor told them, don't get it.

01:00:41.900 And so they applied for a medical accommodation, backed up with a religious because of their faith.

01:00:46.420 But I would say 99.9% are heavily.

01:00:49.700 So what you're saying is that when you bring down a vaccine mandate like this, like, hey, let me inject you with some imported baby cells,

01:00:56.160 you really are getting rid of the religious people. 1.00

01:01:02.120 Yeah.

01:01:02.520 Because, I mean, this was done at a national scale.

01:01:05.780 So I think it's fair to, you know, if the outcome is the point of the exercise, it seems like they drove religious people out of government service. 0.98

01:01:15.860 That's what it looks like to me.

01:01:17.220 The military, the airlines kind of crypto since you fly the mail, but it's not really government.

01:01:21.440 But, yes, you know, anywhere where there's a large group, you know, of employees, places, yes, I would agree.

01:01:32.760 But it's also, religious people also happen to believe in the Constitution.

01:01:36.600 They also happen to be free thinkers.

01:01:38.620 Oh, I've noticed.

01:01:39.120 And, you know, I think there's even more insidious things.

01:01:43.200 And they were after the religious people, sure, but they were also after anybody who would not stand and would comply. 0.99

01:01:48.200 Right.

01:01:48.420 I think to them it was a test to see how they could trample people's rights.

01:01:53.300 That's my personal belief.

01:01:53.940 Absolutely no question about it.

01:01:55.580 That's my personal belief.

01:01:56.300 But I do think we've spent too little time celebrating the people who are willing to really have their lives reordered, willing to be punished and suffer for what they believed.

01:02:08.140 Like, those people are heroes, I think.

01:02:11.180 I know 2,000 heroes.

01:02:12.800 Well, that's totally, they're not, yeah.

01:02:16.000 So then what happens?

01:02:18.340 You go back to work.

01:02:20.320 And we're invited back to work eventually because of the court ruling.

01:02:23.380 But then we're told, but you can't fly anywhere.

01:02:26.040 You have to be careful.

01:02:27.160 You can't fly anywhere?

01:02:28.400 They wouldn't let us.

01:02:29.180 We had restricted cities, right?

01:02:31.120 Because countries might require a vaccine.

01:02:34.240 Well, of those restricted cities, there weren't any countries that wouldn't let pilots in.

01:02:39.740 But it was a big battle.

01:02:41.360 We had to fight through this until Canada dropped the mandate for passengers.

01:02:46.180 And so there were just things that were done, the constant retaliation pieces, getting called in the office because of a Facebook avatar or just dumb things.

01:02:58.280 Called in the office because of a Facebook avatar?

01:03:00.440 Mm-hmm.

01:03:00.920 What does that mean?

01:03:01.620 So Laura and I had changed our Facebook, you know, symbol to the Star of David.

01:03:07.860 It said Unvaxxed on it, right?

01:03:10.020 Because we felt like we were being abused, you know?

01:03:13.040 I didn't want to make any light of previous situations, but, you know, it was out there.

01:03:17.800 And some pilot who disagreed with us anonymously reported us to the corporation.

01:03:22.320 And we had to go to the office and do the carpet dance and explain why that wasn't discrimination.

01:03:29.460 Why would it be discrimination?

01:03:31.320 Because we offended the Jewish people because we co-opted their star. 0.86

01:03:38.280 So the first thing I did is call my seven Jewish members and say, does this offend you?

01:03:41.400 They're like, no, we stand with you.

01:03:42.920 Okay, fine.

01:03:43.960 But it wouldn't, I mean, it's not mocking Jews, isn't it?

01:03:48.140 Standing in solidarity with anyone who's been singled out and oppressed?

01:03:51.280 Exactly.

01:03:52.320 So it was like about as positive an identification as you could have.

01:03:56.880 But it was one more reason.

01:03:58.860 Four times, five times in one year, I had to go sit in there and explain myself.

01:04:04.720 It just goes on.

01:04:05.760 I got one coming up.

01:04:07.340 What is that?

01:04:08.220 What'd you do wrong this time?

01:04:09.580 This time two years ago, I was trying to be kind to a very famous elderly person.

01:04:15.760 We were going to do an engine run and I couldn't leave them on the jetway with the engines running and doors open.

01:04:20.540 And so we got the person up to the top.

01:04:24.540 And unfortunately, then she wrote a nasty letter. 0.95

01:04:27.360 So I have to go do the carpet dance and explain why you can't sit unattended in a jetway with the door open and the engine running and mechanic with an arm in an engine.

01:04:35.380 So we'll get through it.

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01:06:36.360 How did the other pilots who, like obedient sheep, took the needle, how did they treat you?

01:06:45.480 I've never had anyone come up and say, you guys are causing a problem.

01:06:49.080 Now there's keyboard warriors on certain, you know, social media sites.

01:06:53.720 But at work, nine out of ten have said, I wish I could have stood with you.

01:07:00.860 I'm sick.

01:07:01.740 My friend is sick or something.

01:07:03.640 I will never do it again.

01:07:05.660 Ever, ever, ever.

01:07:06.600 And I'm sorry I didn't stand with you.

01:07:08.860 Those poor people.

01:07:09.740 I know a million vaccinated people.

01:07:11.240 I've never heard anybody say, I'm glad I got the vaccine.

01:07:13.340 Not a single one.

01:07:14.280 No.

01:07:14.680 And I feel so sad for a lot of them I love.

01:07:16.580 So I feel so sad for them.

01:07:17.820 I'm sorry to make fun of them.

01:07:19.160 I shouldn't.

01:07:19.660 They were the victims too.

01:07:20.520 They were victims too.

01:07:21.620 Some are just stronger than others.

01:07:22.720 But the COVID vaccine turned out to be so dangerous.

01:07:25.560 It killed so many people.

01:07:27.140 It's a fact.

01:07:28.040 I mean, it's in the VAERS program.

01:07:29.120 These are not conspiracy theories.

01:07:30.740 It's like, that's a fact.

01:07:32.300 That it does make you wonder, like, would you want...

01:07:35.620 I don't want to fly in a plane with vaccinated pilots because I think it's too dangerous. 1.00

01:07:39.240 But are there numbers on this?

01:07:41.300 Oh, yeah.

01:07:41.960 So tell me what they are.

01:07:43.120 So I had a lot of free time there while I was off of work.

01:07:45.620 And I'd been working on my doctoral dissertation.

01:07:49.600 And when this started to go down, I shifted gears.

01:07:52.620 So my organization, Airline Employees for Health Freedom, we started getting phone calls.

01:07:56.660 I know somebody that's sick, or I know this, or I know that.

01:07:59.800 So we just put a data collection link up.

01:08:02.520 And it got so intense that I said, you know what?

01:08:05.220 I'm going to stop everything.

01:08:06.360 I'm going to write my dissertation, and I'm going to study the vaccine injury amongst commercial airline pilots.

01:08:12.320 And so almost about seven months of data collection, 1,600-plus respondents across the industry.

01:08:21.940 And understand the population is about 80-20 vaxxed, right?

01:08:25.940 My study actually came out about 50-50 because a whole bunch of my unvaccinated friends wanted to help, which watered down my numbers.

01:08:32.620 But it actually makes them that much more powerful because at 50-50, if I found this, what would I have found at 80-20?

01:08:38.920 And what I found is commercial airline pilots in the United States are suffering pericarditis and myocarditis at rates exceeding the CDC's national average.

01:08:48.760 And I proved it to a 98% plus or minus 4 in that regards.

01:08:53.760 What are the implications for myocarditis in an airline pilot?

01:08:57.640 It goes back to that incapacitation thing, right?

01:09:00.220 I mean, pilots got to have a healthy heart.

01:09:03.200 But what it really means for the short term, we're losing pilots.

01:09:07.980 It's anecdotal.

01:09:09.100 It's in my dissertation, but I have the charts from American Southwest and from the Union at United.

01:09:16.280 The disability rates post-December of 21 shoot through the ceiling, right?

01:09:23.440 They're off the charts, and they're getting worse by the day.

01:09:26.480 So pilots are going on long-term disability.

01:09:28.280 It's one more way to get rid of those high-dollar workers, I guess. 0.97

01:09:31.120 I don't know.

01:09:32.340 And that way we have to have more young people come in.

01:09:35.700 And so where it goes, I don't know.

01:09:38.280 But I found things from kidney stones to serious mental, excuse me, neurological problems.

01:09:48.120 Cardiac, it's really scary.

01:09:49.820 And nobody wants to know about it.

01:09:51.260 And the problem is, I went to the union and I said to the national president in an email, and I have it in my dissertation.

01:09:58.840 It's published online.

01:10:00.800 I found this.

01:10:02.680 We need to address this.

01:10:04.780 And he says, oh, no, no.

01:10:06.000 You know what?

01:10:06.820 That's in the past.

01:10:08.280 We don't.

01:10:08.740 That might be disruptive to unity.

01:10:11.860 Wait, what is the point of unions again?

01:10:13.480 I totally forgot.

01:10:14.100 Is it to take care of their members?

01:10:15.680 I have a former rep.

01:10:18.660 I've seen the sausage making from the inside.

01:10:21.140 We were, quote, a professional organization that focuses on safety.

01:10:26.240 That's their number one point.

01:10:27.900 Secondly, it's collective bargaining.

01:10:29.840 I pay a lot of money for them to abuse me.

01:10:33.040 But if your job is to take care of your people, that's what a union is, right?

01:10:37.640 It's we collectively bargain.

01:10:39.200 We're in this together.

01:10:40.020 And we're looking out for people who have not enough power, which is the workers against management.

01:10:47.620 And they're not interested in people dying or being disabled.

01:10:52.280 They weren't interested in them putting us on the street.

01:10:55.480 They stepped back and said, company can do what they want.

01:10:58.700 What?

01:10:59.700 No, it's not in the collective bargaining agreement.

01:11:01.940 That is a terming condition.

01:11:05.120 That is an EEOC problem between you and the airline. 0.80

01:11:08.120 That's disgusting.

01:11:10.640 What's the name of this union? 0.56

01:11:12.120 The Airline Pilots Association, ALPA.

01:11:15.860 And ALPA is working against helping the pilot shortage by upping the age.

01:11:21.900 ALPA worked against all of us in any of the airlines.

01:11:26.520 I can't say that because actually, you know, the ALPA people at Delta, they worked with at Bastion.

01:11:33.220 And they actually came up with a pretty good system during this mandate piece.

01:11:36.360 But ours washed our hands of us.

01:11:41.680 Are you required to be a member of this union?

01:11:43.480 Unfortunately, yes.

01:11:44.980 So they take your money and they do nothing for you.

01:11:47.520 And they collaborate with your creepy CEO to oppress the workers there and the union cycle on board with them.

01:11:55.460 Oh, and it even gets better.

01:11:56.300 They take my money and they have a DEI committee.

01:12:01.040 It's staffed by a transgender pilot who then sends me emails explaining what my language should be.

01:12:07.780 I'm trying not to use the F word.

01:12:09.180 This is my Lenten challenge.

01:12:11.860 But it's almost sneaking out.

01:12:14.180 Oh, yeah.

01:12:14.440 The union sends you that?

01:12:19.540 So your union exists to lecture and torment you and steal your money?

01:12:23.820 Let's just say they we have people in the union in the legal department who are not the best and brightest.

01:12:32.400 You'd obviously work at somewhere other than a union.

01:12:35.420 But the rumor is I've been told that I'm the fifth rail.

01:12:39.360 They don't even know the saying.

01:12:40.560 It's the third rail.

01:12:41.340 Right.

01:12:41.940 So trust me, the union and I don't get along really well, Tucker.

01:12:46.240 And you were a union rep.

01:12:47.620 I was.

01:12:48.560 I was.

01:12:49.000 So it's not like you have some ideological problem with unions as a theory.

01:12:52.480 No, I had a desire to go in there and help people and clean up the mess that was.

01:12:58.780 Yeah, I mean, I speak for myself.

01:13:00.100 I'm totally in favor of unions.

01:13:02.100 I have a friend who's a labor leader and I like the idea of unions.

01:13:05.920 I do.

01:13:06.480 I like solidarity.

01:13:07.600 Someone needs to push back against power.

01:13:09.200 I'm all for that.

01:13:10.000 It's just that in practice, in this specific case, but also in others, it seems like they're collaborating against their members.

01:13:16.580 Unions are, in this case, at least I use the phrase, unions are like the tick on the dog, right? 0.98

01:13:24.020 They suck from the dog, but they can't kill it because that's the way they live. 0.96

01:13:29.940 So in the case of the Airline Pilots Association, they collaborate a lot with management. 0.99

01:13:35.480 They get what they need.

01:13:36.660 They get the dues from it.

01:13:38.080 And they'll do a little bit, but they can't do too much, right?

01:13:41.200 Because they need the company to stay profitable or they'll be gone.

01:13:45.480 Okay, well, that's, I mean, I don't think that's unreasonable.

01:13:48.340 But they shouldn't be the disciplinary arm of the airline.

01:13:52.020 Well, that's insane.

01:13:52.980 In a lot of cases, they are.

01:13:55.820 Everyone hates the teachers unions.

01:13:57.780 And I, of course, I do too.

01:13:58.960 I think they've helped wreck education.

01:14:01.080 However, at least in New York City, like they stick up for their members.

01:14:04.500 Sure.

01:14:04.880 In a very unreasonable way.

01:14:06.360 Even when their members are like child molesters, they'll defend them.

01:14:08.660 Yeah.

01:14:09.340 Which is bad.

01:14:10.200 Yeah.

01:14:10.380 But the idea that you stand up for the people in your charge, that leadership means laying

01:14:16.320 down your life for the people beneath you, I believe in that.

01:14:21.180 And there's nothing worse than a collaborator. 0.98

01:14:22.960 Wow, that's really disgusting. 0.98

01:14:24.520 Yeah. 0.96

01:14:25.580 Wash their hands with all of us.

01:14:27.020 And it didn't happen just at the Airline Pilots Association.

01:14:29.540 It happened at the AFA, Association of Flight Assets, right?

01:14:32.940 It happened.

01:14:33.720 The Teamsters, no, it wasn't the Teamsters.

01:14:36.020 The dispatch union leader was the only one that fought back against the mandates, right?

01:14:40.800 All the rest of them just rolled over.

01:14:43.940 So what, I mean, are airline people political?

01:14:46.880 And how does the, how does it break down politically?

01:14:50.720 Airline people, okay, so we have a few of the hardcore union people, of course, that are

01:14:54.660 going to lean left, right?

01:14:56.120 Airline people are of the ilk of where they live, okay?

01:15:01.580 Houston base is very conservative, very Texas, very red.

01:15:05.020 And I see in the San Francisco base, a much more liberal opinion.

01:15:09.400 So I think they're just people.

01:15:11.580 I don't think it's, we're not in the days of fighting Lorenzo, right?

01:15:14.960 So I don't think it's really a political thing with the airline people.

01:15:19.380 I think they're just part of their community.

01:15:21.180 But there's something about aviation because it's, I mean, science-based, it's engineering.

01:15:26.620 Mm-hmm.

01:15:27.980 That every airline pilot, I've known a million airline pilots, and they're all, they have

01:15:31.340 the same kind of logical, coolly analytical temperament.

01:15:35.800 And they believe in like the facts because they have to or the plane crashes.

01:15:39.320 Bernoulli is a fact, right?

01:15:41.220 We can't change that.

01:15:43.180 Exactly.

01:15:43.460 Exactly.

01:15:44.120 And like a thunderstorm will pull your wings off.

01:15:46.120 So don't fly into it.

01:15:46.940 Like these are just facts.

01:15:47.720 We're not in control.

01:15:48.540 We acknowledge them and we adapt.

01:15:49.700 And we're risk averse, right?

01:15:50.840 So we're going to be conservative and take the most conservative way.

01:15:55.680 So I don't, that also.

01:15:56.740 There still are some liberal ones out there.

01:15:58.280 Are there really?

01:15:59.280 Oh yeah, they're usually the big union dogs, you know, the high power ones.

01:16:02.680 But I can't, I can't get my head around someone whose job it is to obey the laws of physics,

01:16:09.380 like unflinchingly, you know, it's like, that's a fact we have to obey that law because it's,

01:16:14.540 we can't change it.

01:16:15.160 But that person believing that you can change your sex, which is the most irrational thing

01:16:23.180 you could say.

01:16:23.920 Most of them are not faithful at all, too.

01:16:27.080 To what?

01:16:27.880 As well.

01:16:28.560 I mean, they're not faithful as well.

01:16:30.220 They're not religious people.

01:16:31.520 Oh, of course not.

01:16:32.560 Well, of course, right.

01:16:33.460 Of course, the whole idea is to give a finger to God and proclaim yourself master of the universe.

01:16:37.620 I can change my sex. 0.54

01:16:38.760 Okay.

01:16:39.640 Can you control the weather now, too, like John Kerry?

01:16:42.440 But no, it's not even that.

01:16:45.640 Which I do have a problem with, to be clear.

01:16:48.020 It's, that's irrational.

01:16:49.520 That's what freaks me out.

01:16:50.400 That's irrational.

01:16:51.300 So if you believe in something that irrational, I don't want you flying my airplane.

01:16:56.120 No, I mean.

01:16:57.320 I don't want you flying next to me in that airplane because I have to get up on a 10-hour flight

01:17:01.220 and go take a break or go on to the bathroom. 1.00

01:17:04.220 What, how are you going to behave when I'm not here?

01:17:07.660 You know, we got pilots that are asking those questions right now.

01:17:10.520 They're saying, you know, I'm not comfortable leaving the flight deck.

01:17:13.720 Oh, come on. 0.87

01:17:14.540 Mm-hmm.

01:17:15.800 When, when, when we're flying with somebody of that nature.

01:17:18.940 Can you go to the company and say.

01:17:21.500 Not, no.

01:17:22.320 I'm on a 10-hour flight.

01:17:23.240 Because, so you're a veteran, obviously, a veteran pilot.

01:17:26.700 You've got to be one of the, have some of the most hours of.

01:17:30.500 I'm in the, the top 10%.

01:17:32.700 Yeah, right.

01:17:33.100 Okay.

01:17:33.320 So that means, traditionally, you're flying the longer, better, more fun routes to the

01:17:38.920 prettier capitals.

01:17:39.600 Like, that's what I have noticed.

01:17:41.280 Sure.

01:17:41.600 So, but you're flying on long flights.

01:17:42.840 Mm-hmm.

01:17:43.820 So, you have to get up at some point.

01:17:46.060 Mm-hmm.

01:17:46.720 Well, I'm required legally to go take a break.

01:17:48.620 I mean, I have to go to bed for, you know, over eight hours.

01:17:51.320 You have to take a nap.

01:17:52.440 We rotate.

01:17:53.160 We have three pilots and we rotate three.

01:17:54.760 Yeah.

01:17:55.320 So.

01:17:56.020 But can't you call the company and say, hey, I'm not comfortable leaving my co-pilot

01:18:00.920 unattended?

01:18:01.640 Like, that seems like a big thing.

01:18:03.440 Well, for me, for me, it's, you know, it's anecdotal because I haven't flown with one

01:18:09.440 yet, back except for when I was on the 737 years ago and there was a captain, who, by

01:18:15.620 the way, was a terrible pilot.

01:18:17.640 A transgender captain. 0.99

01:18:19.040 No, it's a terrible pilot. 0.98

01:18:20.200 It's more focused on other things.

01:18:21.720 What kind of things?

01:18:24.980 I want to be funny, but making sure his voice sounded right or, you know, there was a lot

01:18:29.280 of distraction.

01:18:30.400 He was just known as not a very great pilot.

01:18:32.620 And so, you know, I did a lot of the flying, but that was years ago when I was really young,

01:18:36.880 former airline, before the merger.

01:18:40.280 So, but, so I haven't, in my world, there hasn't really been any in the 767, but a lot

01:18:48.540 of dear friends in the more junior airplanes, 737 and Airbus, were just like, I'm not

01:18:54.960 comfortable.

01:18:56.340 You know, they don't fly the long haul, so they can usually get to where they're going.

01:18:59.880 They can hold it.

01:19:00.620 Yeah.

01:19:00.960 Thank you.

01:19:02.000 But yeah, they just, they don't want to leave.

01:19:04.280 We're not sure.

01:19:05.960 It's like, what could happen?

01:19:08.140 They've read the same studies as I have. 1.00

01:19:11.020 Damn. 0.99

01:19:11.740 And it's not just here. 1.00

01:19:13.020 It's across the industry.

01:19:15.740 Right?

01:19:16.140 Meaning in Europe as well?

01:19:17.480 No, I'm meaning in domestic airlines.

01:19:20.280 Oh.

01:19:20.420 It's not just my carrier.

01:19:21.620 It's pilots from a lot of different carriers.

01:19:25.620 Concern.

01:19:28.100 That's like, and what would happen if you called up airline HQ and said, this is just

01:19:34.100 too nuts.

01:19:34.600 I think it's a threat to safety.

01:19:35.720 What would they say to you?

01:19:37.380 Come into the office.

01:19:38.340 Let's have another carpet dance. 0.96

01:19:40.060 For real?

01:19:40.880 Yeah.

01:19:41.280 Now, so the thing is, you have to observe a safety concern, and you must report it as

01:19:47.800 a whistleblower, then it might get changed.

01:19:50.400 But I haven't actually officially observed it, but I can understand where we're going.

01:19:56.400 I mean, it might not be as dramatic as somebody not wanting to fly with somebody, but one very

01:20:03.100 real piece is, you can be called in the office and get in trouble for, say, misgendering somebody

01:20:08.240 or using the wrong pronoun.

01:20:10.860 Actually?

01:20:11.720 Yes.

01:20:12.480 Unfortunately, I work in a safety-sensitive world.

01:20:15.380 I have a common safety language, right?

01:20:18.940 If we're in the middle of a massive emergency at altitude, and I pick up that, and I call

01:20:25.700 the back, and I say, hey, guys, prepare the cabin.

01:20:28.900 Oh, wait a minute.

01:20:29.400 Was I supposed to remember?

01:20:30.140 Was it a guy or a girl or what?

01:20:31.580 It's just a word I use?

01:20:33.100 In the heat of battle, I don't want to have an Abbott and Costello who's on first discussion

01:20:37.900 with the person at the other end of the phone.

01:20:39.040 No, I'm a he.

01:20:39.500 No, she's at door one.

01:20:40.900 No, he's at door three.

01:20:42.800 We have something to do and deal with, and I don't want to have to stop and think in my

01:20:47.160 job before I react the way I've been trained.

01:20:50.740 Ooh, did I say the wrong thing?

01:20:52.520 Am I going to, if we survive this, have to go answer for it?

01:20:55.920 And that's a very real piece.

01:20:57.780 That one is one that pilots worry about probably more than actually flying with a train.

01:21:02.340 So, I think big picture, it's very obvious that safety standards have fallen dramatically.

01:21:07.740 Maybe not literally.

01:21:09.140 They're not rewriting the safety manual, but safety is not.

01:21:11.840 We're distracted.

01:21:12.620 That's what I would say.

01:21:13.260 It's not the top concern.

01:21:14.340 Clearly, it's not the top concern.

01:21:15.660 Clearly.

01:21:15.920 So, I mean, how long before, you know, hundreds of people die?

01:21:22.620 I hope never again in my lifetime.

01:21:24.820 Yes.

01:21:25.020 Because the people at the front of the airplane, me, my partner, we're going to do what we

01:21:30.760 know how to do.

01:21:32.040 And it doesn't matter to me if I get called in because I misgendered somebody.

01:21:36.500 There are still good people out there.

01:21:38.320 But we're getting to that critical mass point where we need a little time.

01:21:45.140 We need a pause.

01:21:45.940 We need this new incoming FAA administrator whom I've read a lot about.

01:21:49.500 I really like him.

01:21:50.820 He looks like a very faithful person and he's going to fit in the administration and be confirmed

01:21:57.420 rather quickly.

01:21:58.740 We need to get the pilot age up.

01:22:02.220 The standards do not need to be lowered for the incoming.

01:22:05.220 And then we're going to need to take some time and mentor.

01:22:07.560 And I think we can get there.

01:22:09.460 But the clock is ticking.

01:22:11.360 So, the Trump administration, I think, is on the right track to fix four years of complete

01:22:19.520 dismantling of the U.S. aviation industry.

01:22:22.540 I hope, I pray they can get there.

01:22:25.380 But I think they've got the right people in place.

01:22:28.040 You said you've never been nervous flying.

01:22:31.900 Have you ever been nervous as a passenger?

01:22:36.800 I'm sure I have.

01:22:38.660 I'm more nervous when I stand on the edge of a tall building.

01:22:41.900 I'm scared of heights, Tucker.

01:22:43.980 Absolutely, I'm scared of heights.

01:22:46.140 I refuse to go to the Grand Canyon.

01:22:47.440 I won't do it.

01:22:47.980 What's your cruising altitude in 767 long-haul flight?

01:22:50.620 Depends.

01:22:51.200 28 to 38, somewhere in there.

01:22:54.120 We climb as we burn fuel.

01:22:56.120 We get lighter, so we climb.

01:22:58.040 But, you know, 36, 37, 38.

01:23:00.660 What is that?

01:23:01.700 Almost seven miles high in the air.

01:23:03.960 And passengers, think about it.

01:23:05.540 You're sitting in a chair doing eight to nine tenths the speed of sound.

01:23:09.500 That's a pretty awesome thought.

01:23:11.020 That's incredible.

01:23:11.860 Isn't it?

01:23:12.620 Where we are?

01:23:14.460 Yeah.

01:23:14.900 I think the whole thing is absolutely wonderful.

01:23:17.040 What do you think of the new planes?

01:23:18.140 Well, I fly the old planes.

01:23:21.480 I'm a Boeing girl.

01:23:22.580 My husband flies the 787, and he likes it.

01:23:25.460 I mean, you know, technology is wonderful.

01:23:28.400 It just goes further, faster, and higher.

01:23:31.460 So, we'll see.

01:23:32.940 I'm more worried about coming technology with regards to single pilot or autonomous flight.

01:23:39.820 I don't know about you.

01:23:41.360 I'm not getting in an airplane without a pilot.

01:23:45.020 Autonomous flight?

01:23:46.080 Mm-hmm.

01:23:46.820 It's coming.

01:23:47.460 You're making me feel uninformed.

01:23:49.000 So, there are...

01:23:50.080 It's coming.

01:23:50.360 Like, this will solve the union problem.

01:23:52.180 Yeah.

01:23:52.660 Just get rid of the people. 0.66

01:23:54.460 Get rid of the people. 0.95

01:23:55.160 There you go.

01:23:55.280 So, there are planes planned with no pilot?

01:23:57.700 Well, we have them now.

01:23:59.480 I mean...

01:24:00.020 I guess they're called drones.

01:24:00.960 Right.

01:24:01.200 They're called drones.

01:24:01.940 I mean, in Houston, we have pilots that are in the Garden Reserve.

01:24:06.600 They get in their car in the morning.

01:24:07.560 They drive down to Ellington.

01:24:08.720 They walk into a trailer.

01:24:09.900 They're flying a drone over in Afghanistan, bombing the bad guys, and they drive home.

01:24:13.640 I mean, it happens all the time.

01:24:15.240 It's not coming this generation. 0.90

01:24:17.280 We have cars, autonomous taxi cabs in Austin, Texas, right?

01:24:21.780 They drive around, and you just jump in one, and it charges your credit card.

01:24:25.860 First time I saw it, it was crazy that they have it.

01:24:29.040 So, what's coming is, first of all, is the move to reduce one pilot in a cockpit.

01:24:35.020 On a commercial airliner.

01:24:36.340 Mm-hmm.

01:24:37.680 It's the way it'll work, most likely.

01:24:39.300 They said, Aviation and Space Magazine had this about four or five years ago.

01:24:43.380 They'll have a control room, drone operators, me, when I retire.

01:24:47.180 All these people will be sitting in a control room, and you'll take off.

01:24:49.920 Remember that old V-1 rotate engine failure we talked about?

01:24:52.680 You'll just push the Boeing button.

01:24:54.900 And I'll come on.

01:24:55.800 I'll say, hey, Captain, I've got the airplane.

01:24:59.520 You get the checklist.

01:25:00.880 So, a room of eight people can work the whole thing.

01:25:03.980 Wouldn't it be easier to just put someone in the cockpit?

01:25:05.660 Wouldn't it be?

01:25:06.760 You know the old joke, we have a dog in the cockpit, right?

01:25:09.360 You know why the dog is there?

01:25:10.780 To keep the pilot from touching anything. 0.99

01:25:12.660 Bite him if it comes.

01:25:14.860 So, yeah, that's the first step.

01:25:16.720 They're going to start, it'll start in cargo carriers, and trying to push to eliminate one body.

01:25:22.140 And then...

01:25:22.520 For cost reasons.

01:25:23.180 For cost reasons.

01:25:23.740 Because you can only control the price of the airplanes, the price of the people, or the price of fuel.

01:25:29.120 Right?

01:25:29.460 Fuel's pretty set.

01:25:30.780 Airplanes, you can get the better financing if you play the game.

01:25:34.240 But we cost money.

01:25:35.300 That's just absolutely crazy.

01:25:39.280 I will pay a premium to fly in an airline with two pilots.

01:25:42.820 Well, but it gets better.

01:25:44.380 The next generation or two, it might go there. 0.86

01:25:46.100 But at the same time, the drone world, and I think they call it VTOL, vertical takeoff and landing,

01:25:51.580 whereby you, Tucker Carlson, can have your own VTOL, and you can fly yourself to the airport,

01:25:57.140 and then you can get on the big airplane.

01:26:00.660 This stuff is all in the crazy works behind the scenes at the FAA.

01:26:04.420 I mean, you can read about it.

01:26:05.500 It's there.

01:26:06.640 They're establishing corridors and plans.

01:26:08.920 It'll start with pilots operating, but eventually they're looking for an autonomous situation where you just...

01:26:14.280 The Jetsons, you walk out, get in your little hovercraft, go to the airport, get in the big hovercraft.

01:26:18.860 It's coming.

01:26:24.120 Yeah.

01:26:24.480 I hope I'm gone when this all happens.

01:26:26.360 I surely will be.

01:26:28.380 Sherry, that was really...

01:26:30.200 It was wonderful to get the benefit of your decades of experience and your honesty.

01:26:34.380 Thank you enough for the opportunity.

01:26:36.960 And I really pray for the president, Secretary Duffy, the incoming FAA administrator,

01:26:43.940 that we can get ahead of this before it gets out of control.

01:26:47.600 Yeah, before people die.

01:26:49.160 I hope so.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - March 24, 2025

Captain Sherry Walker Reveals the Real Reason for All These Plane Crashes

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