The Tucker Carlson Show - Catherine Engelbrecht from True the Vote says it's a real possibility that illegal immigrants could vote in U.S. elections. She explains the legal loophole that few know about.

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00:00:26.300 hope you'll check that out. Here's today's episode. So over the past, say, 10 years,

00:00:31.560 our leaders, that would be the Democratic Party, the so-called business community, and in fact,

00:00:36.120 a lot of Republican leaders, have allowed into our country against federal law and against our

00:00:41.400 will tens of millions of foreigners. Now, the question is, why have they done this? And by 0.89

00:00:48.840 the way, we should say not just let them in, but paid for them to come, either overland through

00:00:53.700 Latin America, through Mexico and our southern border, or by plane from the rest of the world.

00:00:58.860 American citizens paid for that. And of course, when they arrived, they received the entire suite 0.95

00:01:02.780 of federal benefits also at the expense of taxpayers. But the question remains, why?

00:01:09.500 Why would you bring in this many people in such a short period against the law? Now,

00:01:15.760 previous generations, the motive was really obvious. Farmers, for example, wanted cheap labor.

00:01:20.160 We needed the help, or that was the argument anyway. But no one is making that argument now

00:01:25.720 because you can't make it. There is no economic justification for bringing in tens of millions

00:01:31.260 of people with lower than average educational attainment and no modern skills. And that's 1.00

00:01:36.140 exactly what we've done. Because, of course, we don't need the help at all. We don't have a

00:01:42.380 manufacturing sector. Agriculture is largely automated. And of course, AI is about to render a lot of

00:01:48.920 American workers obsolete as jobs that people do will now be done by machines. So there is no way 1.00

00:01:55.620 to justify an economic grounds mass immigration in 2024. So once again, why is it happening? And it's

00:02:03.720 happening for political reasons. It's happening because the Democratic Party has ceased making the

00:02:09.760 case for itself to Americans. And so in order to keep power, in fact, to expand their power and to

00:02:16.840 preside over the one-party state that they desire, they're going to need a brand new electorate. 0.94

00:02:21.700 And this is their electorate. Foreigners will choose your leaders. You're not allowed to choose 1.00

00:02:28.520 the leaders of foreign countries, but foreigners will choose your leaders, including in this election,

00:02:34.460 this 2024 presidential election. Well, how would that work? It's illegal, you say,

00:02:38.960 for illegal aliens to vote in a federal election. Well, actually, it's not illegal, it turns out.

00:02:46.100 Congress passed something in the U.S. code, the federal code, a line that unbeknownst to the rest

00:02:52.120 of us makes it legal for illegal aliens to vote in federal elections if they believe they are citizens.

00:02:59.140 It's a state of mind. Did you know that? We didn't know that. Most people didn't know that.

00:03:04.300 Catherine Engelbrecht just found this provision in the U.S. code. That's the kind of thing she reads

00:03:11.300 because she's the founder of True the Vote and has been working on these issues for a few years now.

00:03:15.500 And she joins us to explain what she's found. Catherine Engelbrecht, thank you so much for

00:03:19.400 coming on. Oh, thanks for having me. So would you mind explaining what seems at first blush a very

00:03:25.940 far-fetched idea that the U.S. code, as of right now, as of our speaking, would allow illegal aliens

00:03:33.760 to vote in the upcoming presidential election? How would that work? Yeah, well, True the Vote,

00:03:39.700 the organization I founded some years ago, has been long involved in looking at the accuracy of the

00:03:44.880 voter rolls. And we've long maintained that inaccurate voter rolls lead to inaccurate elections.

00:03:50.440 So with that as a backdrop, we've been very concerned about the lack of availability to

00:03:57.440 determine citizenship status, not just by groups like ours, but by states themselves. They can't

00:04:03.160 get close enough to a citizenship status database to make good determinations. That then led me to

00:04:12.280 look a little deeper because as you rightly lay out, there's a motivation here. So what might that be?

00:04:18.140 We've seen many, many videos of people coming across the border who are talking about their

00:04:24.420 excitement about voting for Joe Biden and claiming that they are citizens. But yet we hear debates in

00:04:31.520 Congress where the congressman will say, you can't, don't worry, non-citizens can't vote. It's a crime of 1.00

00:04:38.200 perjury. It's a felony. So, okay. We took a deep look at the criminal code and Title 18 left us

00:04:46.860 just gobsmacked. Because when you read all the way through it, as it lists all of the

00:04:52.780 stipulations against non-citizen voting in federal elections and lays out the penalties, therefore,

00:05:01.180 scroll all the way down to the fine print. And what you read is that non-citizens can vote 0.61

00:05:08.440 without penalty if at the time they are voting, they believe themselves to be U.S. citizens.

00:05:15.020 Well, I mean, that seems insane. I mean, I'm taking your word for it. I'm not a lawyer or an

00:05:21.460 expert in the federal code, but is there any other crime? Like if I can show that I didn't know I was

00:05:28.060 robbing a liquor store, I had a gun in my hand, I was demanding money, but I didn't really think it

00:05:31.000 was robbery. Does that shield me from being prosecuted for robbing a liquor store?

00:05:34.840 No, certainly not. But I will say that this state of mind idea is something that

00:05:41.220 we've come up against in the past related to domicile. As we've done reviews of the voter

00:05:47.240 rolls and you see people that are registered, but they're registered to vacant lots, they're

00:05:51.560 registered to fast food restaurants, and the press you get back from the state as well. But, you know,

00:05:58.680 residency is a state of mind. This takes that to an entirely different level. And I'll tell you what

00:06:05.040 I'm really concerned about, Tucker, is that when we lived through 2020 and we saw the landscape

00:06:12.200 change, lawlessness take hold, we just, we watched on the sidelines and said, surely this can't be

00:06:19.880 what it looks like is happening. Surely this move to the mass mail of ballots and unmonitored drop boxes

00:06:25.940 and third party election workers that have no proper training to support all of the ebbs and

00:06:33.600 flows of process. Surely this can't be what's about to play out. And then when it did, you're left with

00:06:39.840 scant few days to try to pick up the pieces and prove what really happened. I'm seeing this now play out

00:06:45.920 in 2024 on this issue, much the same. And so it's my hope that we can awaken Americans to this

00:06:55.940 problem and demand accountability before November so that we can decide if citizenship is truly a state of

00:07:04.680 mind.

00:07:06.580 Can I ask about the law itself, the code that you're referring to? Do you think that that suggests

00:07:11.900 that the foreigner, because the proposition here is that we're allowing foreigners to choose our leaders,

00:07:18.940 which is insane, of course, but is the law written in such a way that that foreigner will not be punished 0.95

00:07:25.760 for voting in our elections, but will that vote still count? Is that clear?

00:07:30.020 Well, it's a great question, but you know, I mean, the ballots are anonymous. So once that ballot has been

00:07:37.520 cast either by mail and it's been separated from the envelope with which it's carried to the central count,

00:07:44.840 so you can't tell who voted if that's been separated, the envelope from the ballot, and certainly

00:07:50.080 by machine, you can't tell. So no, there's no way to pull this back. It's why it is critical

00:07:56.540 that we get on the front side of this and have a very national discussion about the tracks we're

00:08:05.300 heading down. This is a very, very dangerous proposition, and I believe it's been kept quiet

00:08:11.960 for such a time as this.

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00:09:54.200 So just to be clear, once foreign nationals, foreigners have voted in our elections,

00:10:02.280 and I don't think we're not allowed to choose China's president, are we? I don't think we are.

00:10:06.860 But once their citizens choose ours, along with citizens from countries all over the world,

00:10:11.780 once they vote, there's literally nothing we can do about it. We have to live with the outcome.

00:10:17.380 Live with the outcome. And then, you know, good luck in trying to prove this,

00:10:21.760 because the voter rolls nationally are a joke. I mean, in private industry, all day, every day,

00:10:30.780 private companies are resolving identity, residency, and citizenship in real time.

00:10:35.220 The data exists to do this. The technology exists to do this. I mean, my word,

00:10:40.660 Google knows every time my heart beats. Data is there and available to track what you want to track.

00:10:46.600 But yet, the states are not given any access to databases that would help determine citizenship at

00:10:54.280 scale. They are given sort of a backdoor access to a database called SAVE, where you can check

00:10:59.380 one application at a time. It's just not a reasonable solution. So this is something that I

00:11:06.300 truly believe we could wake up the day after the election and say, what has just happened?

00:11:12.120 And there's no way to undo it at that point. We've got to get ahead of it. We've got to have

00:11:16.560 this debate now. What does it mean to be a citizen? Is it truly a state of mind when it comes to voting

00:11:21.080 rights? I mean, I don't think there's much of a debate there, right? I mean, I can't imagine anyone

00:11:28.380 would take in public anyway. They never defend their positions at all anyway. But I don't think you

00:11:33.620 could find a person who could say, yes, a foreigner ought to be allowed to choose your leaders because

00:11:38.520 he thinks he's a citizen. Would anyone make that argument?

00:11:42.960 You wouldn't think so, but somebody did because it's our law. It is in Title 18 of the U.S.

00:11:50.700 Criminal Code that says, point blank, if the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting

00:11:57.020 that he or she was a citizen of the United States, that they are subject to no prosecution.

00:12:12.120 I've shown this to legislators. I've shown this code to immigration attorneys. I've shown it to

00:12:17.280 our legal counsel. And they all just, they just look back with a blank stare, like how could this

00:12:24.440 have been? But it is, it is quite literally the last stipulation in this section of code. So you've

00:12:32.480 got to read all the way down to the fine print. I just so happened to read it. And this is where we

00:12:37.460 find ourselves. Is there any question that the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens are going 1.00

00:12:44.720 to vote Democrat when, when they vote and they will vote? Yeah, I certainly see that the NGOs and

00:12:51.340 the outfits that are bringing them across the country are grooming them for that purpose.

00:12:57.100 That, that seems to be very apparent. They are, they are immediately given access to all manner of

00:13:03.200 social service programs. Those social service programs have as a, as a portion of the application

00:13:09.000 and automatic voter registration feature. States aren't allowed to ask for citizenship,

00:13:14.420 proof of citizenship upon registration. I mean, this is layer upon layer upon layer of dysfunction.

00:13:19.920 The, the, the Biden administration is registering illegal aliens to vote when they get here.

00:13:24.680 They certainly are setting up all of the, of the, the place settings to do it. They are registering

00:13:32.240 them for government sanctioned programs like Medicaid, like affordable care act. They're giving

00:13:38.020 them access to food stamps, lodging, other welfare types of, of programs. All of those programs

00:13:44.740 come with the, with the application, a, a, a opt out voter registration. So it is, it is not at all

00:13:53.460 beyond the realm of possibility. That is that it's in fact exactly what's happening, that non-citizens 1.00

00:13:58.840 are being registered. States have no ability to stop it. And if you are so fortunate as to find a way

00:14:07.220 to prove this caught in the act, then you refer back to title 18 that says that was just a state

00:14:13.740 of mind. So no harm, no foul. And it will be too late. I mean, so the election already seems rigged.

00:14:21.900 If we don't do something about it, I believe that that's, that's the, going to be the likely outcome.

00:14:27.960 You know, I, I lived through it in 2020. So many, it was a thousand front war. There was so much that

00:14:33.640 was happening. Lawlessness reigned. We are seeing the same type of engineered chaos today, but we have

00:14:39.820 an opportunity to get ahead of it. We just must demand it. We must demand a transparent audit of

00:14:46.380 voter rolls to make sure that those who are registered meet the criteria for identity, residency,

00:14:51.460 and citizenship. Data exists to do that. Technology exists to do that. Totally, totally achievable.

00:14:57.580 We must demand it because this trap door, this threatens everything we know about our constitutional

00:15:05.340 republic. Does seem like the system's ending. I don't want it to end, but, um, this is show nuts.

00:15:11.200 And if the people who administer the system are intent on destroying it, it's kind of hard to know

00:15:16.080 how, you know, it continues. I, I share your concern, um, being this close to our election process

00:15:26.100 as, as I have been through true, the vote for this many years, it does seem like the fix is in,

00:15:32.740 but the American people are the reason for hope. There is, there is nothing that we can't do if we

00:15:40.860 stick together and impress any given issue. This is just one that, you know, no, nobody seems to know

00:15:47.320 about. Certainly we didn't until just not too long ago. I've not talked about it publicly until now,

00:15:53.420 because I wanted to make sure that I understood that what I was reading carried the weight that it

00:15:59.160 seems to carry. And I've not found anybody to, uh, dissuade me from this belief. It is, it is,

00:16:06.240 it is troubling is an understatement.

00:16:10.800 Well, it certainly is. Um, I don't even have any more questions because I'm so bothered by what

00:16:14.660 you just said. I hope you'll come back. Catherine Albrecht, thank you very much.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - May 07, 2024

Catherine Engelbrecht from True the Vote says it's a real possibility that illegal immigrants could vote in U.S. elections. She explains the legal loophole that few know about.

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