The Tucker Carlson Show - Catherine Engelbrecht from True the Vote says it's a real possibility that illegal immigrants could vote in U.S. elections. She explains the legal loophole that few know about.

It's illegal for illegal aliens to vote in federal elections if they believe they are citizens. But it's not illegal for non-citizens to vote, according to the U.S. Constitution. And it's a crime if they do vote without being a citizen. In this episode, Tucker and his guest, Catherine Engelbrecht, explain why this is a bad idea and how it could affect the upcoming presidential election. They also discuss the possibility that illegal aliens could vote in the next election if they were allowed to do so, and why they should be allowed to vote if they think they re citizens. Tucker and the team at True the Vote explore this and more in this episode of the Tucker Carlson Podcast with Tucker Carlson on today's episode of his new show, "Tucker Carlson Presents: An Honest Story" hosted by Tucker Carlson. To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/sponsorships/tuckercarlson and use the promo code: "tuckercarlson" to receive 10% off the first month of your purchase of a new copy of Tucker's newest book, "Truth or Fiction: The Truth or Fiction". You can find all of it and much more at tucker.co/TruthOrFiction and more by searching for Tucker on Amazon Prime and other major podcasting directories. We hope you'll check that out! Thank you for listening and share the podcast on your social media platforms! Subscribe to the podcast and tell a friend about Tucker's work. Subscribe on Anchor.fm and share it with a friend! or share it on your friends! Timestamps: Subscribe in Apple Podcasts Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about the show? Rate and review it on Podcoin Share it on iTunes Connect with a fellow Tucker Carlson Leave us on Podulism and other podcasting links? Subscribe & subscribe on social media Thanks for listening to the show - click here! Thanks! - The Tucker's new book: "The Tucker Carlson Show? by Tom Pizzarena or click here & other links in the podcast: Subscribe and review this episode? Learn more on this episode: click here to become a supporter of Tucker Carlson's new novel "The Truth or No More? and learn more about him on his new book?

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the Tucker Carlson podcast, where every story is an honest story and not one of

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00:00:21.460 these. You can find all of it and a lot of exclusive content at tuckercarlson.com. We

00:00:26.300 hope you'll check that out. Here's today's episode. So over the past, say, 10 years,

00:00:31.560 our leaders, that would be the Democratic Party, the so-called business community, and in fact,

00:00:36.120 a lot of Republican leaders, have allowed into our country against federal law and against our

00:00:41.400 will tens of millions of foreigners. Now, the question is, why have they done this? And by

00:00:48.840 the way, we should say not just let them in, but paid for them to come, either overland through

00:00:53.700 Latin America, through Mexico and our southern border, or by plane from the rest of the world.

00:00:58.860 American citizens paid for that. And of course, when they arrived, they received the entire suite

00:01:02.780 of federal benefits also at the expense of taxpayers. But the question remains, why?

00:01:09.500 Why would you bring in this many people in such a short period against the law? Now,

00:01:15.760 previous generations, the motive was really obvious. Farmers, for example, wanted cheap labor.

00:01:20.160 We needed the help, or that was the argument anyway. But no one is making that argument now

00:01:25.720 because you can't make it. There is no economic justification for bringing in tens of millions

00:01:31.260 of people with lower than average educational attainment and no modern skills. And that's

00:01:36.140 exactly what we've done. Because, of course, we don't need the help at all. We don't have a

00:01:42.380 manufacturing sector. Agriculture is largely automated. And of course, AI is about to render a lot of

00:01:48.920 American workers obsolete as jobs that people do will now be done by machines. So there is no way

00:01:55.620 to justify an economic grounds mass immigration in 2024. So once again, why is it happening? And it's

00:02:03.720 happening for political reasons. It's happening because the Democratic Party has ceased making the

00:02:09.760 case for itself to Americans. And so in order to keep power, in fact, to expand their power and to

00:02:16.840 preside over the one-party state that they desire, they're going to need a brand new electorate.

00:02:21.700 And this is their electorate. Foreigners will choose your leaders. You're not allowed to choose

00:02:28.520 the leaders of foreign countries, but foreigners will choose your leaders, including in this election,

00:02:34.460 this 2024 presidential election. Well, how would that work? It's illegal, you say,

00:02:38.960 for illegal aliens to vote in a federal election. Well, actually, it's not illegal, it turns out.

00:02:46.100 Congress passed something in the U.S. code, the federal code, a line that unbeknownst to the rest

00:02:52.120 of us makes it legal for illegal aliens to vote in federal elections if they believe they are citizens.

00:02:59.140 It's a state of mind. Did you know that? We didn't know that. Most people didn't know that.

00:03:04.300 Catherine Engelbrecht just found this provision in the U.S. code. That's the kind of thing she reads

00:03:11.300 because she's the founder of True the Vote and has been working on these issues for a few years now.

00:03:15.500 And she joins us to explain what she's found. Catherine Engelbrecht, thank you so much for

00:03:19.400 coming on. Oh, thanks for having me. So would you mind explaining what seems at first blush a very

00:03:25.940 far-fetched idea that the U.S. code, as of right now, as of our speaking, would allow illegal aliens

00:03:33.760 to vote in the upcoming presidential election? How would that work? Yeah, well, True the Vote,

00:03:39.700 the organization I founded some years ago, has been long involved in looking at the accuracy of the

00:03:44.880 voter rolls. And we've long maintained that inaccurate voter rolls lead to inaccurate elections.

00:03:50.440 So with that as a backdrop, we've been very concerned about the lack of availability to

00:03:57.440 determine citizenship status, not just by groups like ours, but by states themselves. They can't

00:04:03.160 get close enough to a citizenship status database to make good determinations. That then led me to

00:04:12.280 look a little deeper because as you rightly lay out, there's a motivation here. So what might that be?

00:04:18.140 We've seen many, many videos of people coming across the border who are talking about their

00:04:24.420 excitement about voting for Joe Biden and claiming that they are citizens. But yet we hear debates in

00:04:31.520 Congress where the congressman will say, you can't, don't worry, non-citizens can't vote. It's a crime of

00:04:38.200 perjury. It's a felony. So, okay. We took a deep look at the criminal code and Title 18 left us

00:04:46.860 just gobsmacked. Because when you read all the way through it, as it lists all of the

00:04:52.780 stipulations against non-citizen voting in federal elections and lays out the penalties, therefore,

00:05:01.180 scroll all the way down to the fine print. And what you read is that non-citizens can vote

00:05:08.440 without penalty if at the time they are voting, they believe themselves to be U.S. citizens.

00:05:15.020 Well, I mean, that seems insane. I mean, I'm taking your word for it. I'm not a lawyer or an

00:05:21.460 expert in the federal code, but is there any other crime? Like if I can show that I didn't know I was

00:05:28.060 robbing a liquor store, I had a gun in my hand, I was demanding money, but I didn't really think it

00:05:31.000 was robbery. Does that shield me from being prosecuted for robbing a liquor store?

00:05:34.840 No, certainly not. But I will say that this state of mind idea is something that

00:05:41.220 we've come up against in the past related to domicile. As we've done reviews of the voter

00:05:47.240 rolls and you see people that are registered, but they're registered to vacant lots, they're

00:05:51.560 registered to fast food restaurants, and the press you get back from the state as well. But, you know,

00:05:58.680 residency is a state of mind. This takes that to an entirely different level. And I'll tell you what

00:06:05.040 I'm really concerned about, Tucker, is that when we lived through 2020 and we saw the landscape

00:06:12.200 change, lawlessness take hold, we just, we watched on the sidelines and said, surely this can't be

00:06:19.880 what it looks like is happening. Surely this move to the mass mail of ballots and unmonitored drop boxes

00:06:25.940 and third party election workers that have no proper training to support all of the ebbs and

00:06:33.600 flows of process. Surely this can't be what's about to play out. And then when it did, you're left with

00:06:39.840 scant few days to try to pick up the pieces and prove what really happened. I'm seeing this now play out

00:06:45.920 in 2024 on this issue, much the same. And so it's my hope that we can awaken Americans to this

00:06:55.940 problem and demand accountability before November so that we can decide if citizenship is truly a state of

00:07:04.680 mind.

00:07:06.580 Can I ask about the law itself, the code that you're referring to? Do you think that that suggests

00:07:11.900 that the foreigner, because the proposition here is that we're allowing foreigners to choose our leaders,

00:07:18.940 which is insane, of course, but is the law written in such a way that that foreigner will not be punished

00:07:25.760 for voting in our elections, but will that vote still count? Is that clear?

00:07:30.020 Well, it's a great question, but you know, I mean, the ballots are anonymous. So once that ballot has been

00:07:37.520 cast either by mail and it's been separated from the envelope with which it's carried to the central count,

00:07:44.840 so you can't tell who voted if that's been separated, the envelope from the ballot, and certainly

00:07:50.080 by machine, you can't tell. So no, there's no way to pull this back. It's why it is critical

00:07:56.540 that we get on the front side of this and have a very national discussion about the tracks we're

00:08:05.300 heading down. This is a very, very dangerous proposition, and I believe it's been kept quiet

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00:09:54.200 So just to be clear, once foreign nationals, foreigners have voted in our elections,

00:10:02.280 and I don't think we're not allowed to choose China's president, are we? I don't think we are.

00:10:06.860 But once their citizens choose ours, along with citizens from countries all over the world,

00:10:11.780 once they vote, there's literally nothing we can do about it. We have to live with the outcome.

00:10:17.380 Live with the outcome. And then, you know, good luck in trying to prove this,

00:10:21.760 because the voter rolls nationally are a joke. I mean, in private industry, all day, every day,

00:10:30.780 private companies are resolving identity, residency, and citizenship in real time.

00:10:35.220 The data exists to do this. The technology exists to do this. I mean, my word,

00:10:40.660 Google knows every time my heart beats. Data is there and available to track what you want to track.

00:10:46.600 But yet, the states are not given any access to databases that would help determine citizenship at

00:10:54.280 scale. They are given sort of a backdoor access to a database called SAVE, where you can check

00:10:59.380 one application at a time. It's just not a reasonable solution. So this is something that I

00:11:06.300 truly believe we could wake up the day after the election and say, what has just happened?

00:11:12.120 And there's no way to undo it at that point. We've got to get ahead of it. We've got to have

00:11:16.560 this debate now. What does it mean to be a citizen? Is it truly a state of mind when it comes to voting

00:11:21.080 rights? I mean, I don't think there's much of a debate there, right? I mean, I can't imagine anyone

00:11:28.380 would take in public anyway. They never defend their positions at all anyway. But I don't think you

00:11:33.620 could find a person who could say, yes, a foreigner ought to be allowed to choose your leaders because

00:11:38.520 he thinks he's a citizen. Would anyone make that argument?

00:11:42.960 You wouldn't think so, but somebody did because it's our law. It is in Title 18 of the U.S.

00:11:50.700 Criminal Code that says, point blank, if the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting

00:11:57.020 that he or she was a citizen of the United States, that they are subject to no prosecution.

00:12:12.120 I've shown this to legislators. I've shown this code to immigration attorneys. I've shown it to

00:12:17.280 our legal counsel. And they all just, they just look back with a blank stare, like how could this

00:12:24.440 have been? But it is, it is quite literally the last stipulation in this section of code. So you've

00:12:32.480 got to read all the way down to the fine print. I just so happened to read it. And this is where we

00:12:37.460 find ourselves. Is there any question that the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens are going

00:12:44.720 to vote Democrat when, when they vote and they will vote? Yeah, I certainly see that the NGOs and

00:12:51.340 the outfits that are bringing them across the country are grooming them for that purpose.

00:12:57.100 That, that seems to be very apparent. They are, they are immediately given access to all manner of

00:13:03.200 social service programs. Those social service programs have as a, as a portion of the application

00:13:09.000 and automatic voter registration feature. States aren't allowed to ask for citizenship,

00:13:14.420 proof of citizenship upon registration. I mean, this is layer upon layer upon layer of dysfunction.

00:13:19.920 The, the, the Biden administration is registering illegal aliens to vote when they get here.

00:13:24.680 They certainly are setting up all of the, of the, the place settings to do it. They are registering

00:13:32.240 them for government sanctioned programs like Medicaid, like affordable care act. They're giving

00:13:38.020 them access to food stamps, lodging, other welfare types of, of programs. All of those programs

00:13:44.740 come with the, with the application, a, a, a opt out voter registration. So it is, it is not at all

00:13:53.460 beyond the realm of possibility. That is that it's in fact exactly what's happening, that non-citizens

00:13:58.840 are being registered. States have no ability to stop it. And if you are so fortunate as to find a way

00:14:07.220 to prove this caught in the act, then you refer back to title 18 that says that was just a state

00:14:13.740 of mind. So no harm, no foul. And it will be too late. I mean, so the election already seems rigged.

00:14:21.900 If we don't do something about it, I believe that that's, that's the, going to be the likely outcome.

00:14:27.960 You know, I, I lived through it in 2020. So many, it was a thousand front war. There was so much that

00:14:33.640 was happening. Lawlessness reigned. We are seeing the same type of engineered chaos today, but we have

00:14:39.820 an opportunity to get ahead of it. We just must demand it. We must demand a transparent audit of

00:14:46.380 voter rolls to make sure that those who are registered meet the criteria for identity, residency,

00:14:51.460 and citizenship. Data exists to do that. Technology exists to do that. Totally, totally achievable.

00:14:57.580 We must demand it because this trap door, this threatens everything we know about our constitutional

00:15:05.340 republic. Does seem like the system's ending. I don't want it to end, but, um, this is show nuts.

00:15:11.200 And if the people who administer the system are intent on destroying it, it's kind of hard to know

00:15:16.080 how, you know, it continues. I, I share your concern, um, being this close to our election process

00:15:26.100 as, as I have been through true, the vote for this many years, it does seem like the fix is in,

00:15:32.740 but the American people are the reason for hope. There is, there is nothing that we can't do if we

00:15:40.860 stick together and impress any given issue. This is just one that, you know, no, nobody seems to know

00:15:47.320 about. Certainly we didn't until just not too long ago. I've not talked about it publicly until now,

00:15:53.420 because I wanted to make sure that I understood that what I was reading carried the weight that it

00:15:59.160 seems to carry. And I've not found anybody to, uh, dissuade me from this belief. It is, it is,

00:16:06.240 it is troubling is an understatement.

00:16:10.800 Well, it certainly is. Um, I don't even have any more questions because I'm so bothered by what

00:16:14.660 you just said. I hope you'll come back. Catherine Albrecht, thank you very much.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - May 07, 2024

Catherine Engelbrecht from True the Vote says it's a real possibility that illegal immigrants could vote in U.S. elections. She explains the legal loophole that few know about.

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