Catherine Engelbrecht from True the Vote says it's a real possibility that illegal immigrants could vote in U.S. elections. She explains the legal loophole that few know about.
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Tucker Carlson: It's illegal for illegal aliens to vote in federal elections if they believe they are citizens . Catherine Engelbrecht, founder of True the Vote, finds a provision in the U.S. code that would allow them to do so . She says it's a state of mind, but it's not illegal, it turns out .
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hope you'll check that out. Here's today's episode. So over the past, say, 10 years,
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our leaders, that would be the Democratic Party, the so-called business community, and in fact,
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a lot of Republican leaders, have allowed into our country against federal law and against our
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will tens of millions of foreigners. Now, the question is, why have they done this? And by
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the way, we should say not just let them in, but paid for them to come, either overland through
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Latin America, through Mexico and our southern border, or by plane from the rest of the world.
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American citizens paid for that. And of course, when they arrived, they received the entire suite
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of federal benefits also at the expense of taxpayers. But the question remains, why?
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Why would you bring in this many people in such a short period against the law? Now,
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previous generations, the motive was really obvious. Farmers, for example, wanted cheap labor.
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We needed the help, or that was the argument anyway. But no one is making that argument now
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because you can't make it. There is no economic justification for bringing in tens of millions
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of people with lower than average educational attainment and no modern skills. And that's
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exactly what we've done. Because, of course, we don't need the help at all. We don't have a
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manufacturing sector. Agriculture is largely automated. And of course, AI is about to render a lot of
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American workers obsolete as jobs that people do will now be done by machines. So there is no way
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to justify an economic grounds mass immigration in 2024. So once again, why is it happening? And it's
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happening for political reasons. It's happening because the Democratic Party has ceased making the
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case for itself to Americans. And so in order to keep power, in fact, to expand their power and to
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preside over the one-party state that they desire, they're going to need a brand new electorate.
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And this is their electorate. Foreigners will choose your leaders. You're not allowed to choose
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the leaders of foreign countries, but foreigners will choose your leaders, including in this election,
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this 2024 presidential election. Well, how would that work? It's illegal, you say,
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for illegal aliens to vote in a federal election. Well, actually, it's not illegal, it turns out.
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Congress passed something in the U.S. code, the federal code, a line that unbeknownst to the rest
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of us makes it legal for illegal aliens to vote in federal elections if they believe they are citizens.
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It's a state of mind. Did you know that? We didn't know that. Most people didn't know that.
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Catherine Engelbrecht just found this provision in the U.S. code. That's the kind of thing she reads
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because she's the founder of True the Vote and has been working on these issues for a few years now.
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And she joins us to explain what she's found. Catherine Engelbrecht, thank you so much for
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coming on. Oh, thanks for having me. So would you mind explaining what seems at first blush a very
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far-fetched idea that the U.S. code, as of right now, as of our speaking, would allow illegal aliens
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to vote in the upcoming presidential election? How would that work? Yeah, well, True the Vote,
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the organization I founded some years ago, has been long involved in looking at the accuracy of the
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voter rolls. And we've long maintained that inaccurate voter rolls lead to inaccurate elections.
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So with that as a backdrop, we've been very concerned about the lack of availability to
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determine citizenship status, not just by groups like ours, but by states themselves. They can't
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get close enough to a citizenship status database to make good determinations. That then led me to
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look a little deeper because as you rightly lay out, there's a motivation here. So what might that be?
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We've seen many, many videos of people coming across the border who are talking about their
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excitement about voting for Joe Biden and claiming that they are citizens. But yet we hear debates in
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Congress where the congressman will say, you can't, don't worry, non-citizens can't vote. It's a crime of
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perjury. It's a felony. So, okay. We took a deep look at the criminal code and Title 18 left us
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just gobsmacked. Because when you read all the way through it, as it lists all of the
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stipulations against non-citizen voting in federal elections and lays out the penalties, therefore,
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scroll all the way down to the fine print. And what you read is that non-citizens can vote
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without penalty if at the time they are voting, they believe themselves to be U.S. citizens.
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Well, I mean, that seems insane. I mean, I'm taking your word for it. I'm not a lawyer or an
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expert in the federal code, but is there any other crime? Like if I can show that I didn't know I was
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robbing a liquor store, I had a gun in my hand, I was demanding money, but I didn't really think it
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was robbery. Does that shield me from being prosecuted for robbing a liquor store?
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No, certainly not. But I will say that this state of mind idea is something that
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we've come up against in the past related to domicile. As we've done reviews of the voter
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rolls and you see people that are registered, but they're registered to vacant lots, they're
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registered to fast food restaurants, and the press you get back from the state as well. But, you know,
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residency is a state of mind. This takes that to an entirely different level. And I'll tell you what
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I'm really concerned about, Tucker, is that when we lived through 2020 and we saw the landscape
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change, lawlessness take hold, we just, we watched on the sidelines and said, surely this can't be
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what it looks like is happening. Surely this move to the mass mail of ballots and unmonitored drop boxes
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and third party election workers that have no proper training to support all of the ebbs and
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flows of process. Surely this can't be what's about to play out. And then when it did, you're left with
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scant few days to try to pick up the pieces and prove what really happened. I'm seeing this now play out
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in 2024 on this issue, much the same. And so it's my hope that we can awaken Americans to this
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problem and demand accountability before November so that we can decide if citizenship is truly a state of
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Can I ask about the law itself, the code that you're referring to? Do you think that that suggests
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that the foreigner, because the proposition here is that we're allowing foreigners to choose our leaders,
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which is insane, of course, but is the law written in such a way that that foreigner will not be punished
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for voting in our elections, but will that vote still count? Is that clear?
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Well, it's a great question, but you know, I mean, the ballots are anonymous. So once that ballot has been
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cast either by mail and it's been separated from the envelope with which it's carried to the central count,
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so you can't tell who voted if that's been separated, the envelope from the ballot, and certainly
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by machine, you can't tell. So no, there's no way to pull this back. It's why it is critical
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that we get on the front side of this and have a very national discussion about the tracks we're
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So just to be clear, once foreign nationals, foreigners have voted in our elections,
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and I don't think we're not allowed to choose China's president, are we? I don't think we are.
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But once their citizens choose ours, along with citizens from countries all over the world,
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once they vote, there's literally nothing we can do about it. We have to live with the outcome.
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Live with the outcome. And then, you know, good luck in trying to prove this,
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because the voter rolls nationally are a joke. I mean, in private industry, all day, every day,
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private companies are resolving identity, residency, and citizenship in real time.
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The data exists to do this. The technology exists to do this. I mean, my word,
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Google knows every time my heart beats. Data is there and available to track what you want to track.
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But yet, the states are not given any access to databases that would help determine citizenship at
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scale. They are given sort of a backdoor access to a database called SAVE, where you can check
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one application at a time. It's just not a reasonable solution. So this is something that I
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truly believe we could wake up the day after the election and say, what has just happened?
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And there's no way to undo it at that point. We've got to get ahead of it. We've got to have
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this debate now. What does it mean to be a citizen? Is it truly a state of mind when it comes to voting
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rights? I mean, I don't think there's much of a debate there, right? I mean, I can't imagine anyone
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would take in public anyway. They never defend their positions at all anyway. But I don't think you
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could find a person who could say, yes, a foreigner ought to be allowed to choose your leaders because
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he thinks he's a citizen. Would anyone make that argument?
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You wouldn't think so, but somebody did because it's our law. It is in Title 18 of the U.S.
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Criminal Code that says, point blank, if the alien reasonably believed at the time of voting
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that he or she was a citizen of the United States, that they are subject to no prosecution.
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I've shown this to legislators. I've shown this code to immigration attorneys. I've shown it to
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our legal counsel. And they all just, they just look back with a blank stare, like how could this
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have been? But it is, it is quite literally the last stipulation in this section of code. So you've
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got to read all the way down to the fine print. I just so happened to read it. And this is where we
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find ourselves. Is there any question that the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens are going
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to vote Democrat when, when they vote and they will vote? Yeah, I certainly see that the NGOs and
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the outfits that are bringing them across the country are grooming them for that purpose.
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That, that seems to be very apparent. They are, they are immediately given access to all manner of
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social service programs. Those social service programs have as a, as a portion of the application
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and automatic voter registration feature. States aren't allowed to ask for citizenship,
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proof of citizenship upon registration. I mean, this is layer upon layer upon layer of dysfunction.
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The, the, the Biden administration is registering illegal aliens to vote when they get here.
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They certainly are setting up all of the, of the, the place settings to do it. They are registering
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them for government sanctioned programs like Medicaid, like affordable care act. They're giving
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them access to food stamps, lodging, other welfare types of, of programs. All of those programs
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come with the, with the application, a, a, a opt out voter registration. So it is, it is not at all
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beyond the realm of possibility. That is that it's in fact exactly what's happening, that non-citizens
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are being registered. States have no ability to stop it. And if you are so fortunate as to find a way
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to prove this caught in the act, then you refer back to title 18 that says that was just a state
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of mind. So no harm, no foul. And it will be too late. I mean, so the election already seems rigged.
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If we don't do something about it, I believe that that's, that's the, going to be the likely outcome.
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You know, I, I lived through it in 2020. So many, it was a thousand front war. There was so much that
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was happening. Lawlessness reigned. We are seeing the same type of engineered chaos today, but we have
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an opportunity to get ahead of it. We just must demand it. We must demand a transparent audit of
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voter rolls to make sure that those who are registered meet the criteria for identity, residency,
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and citizenship. Data exists to do that. Technology exists to do that. Totally, totally achievable.
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We must demand it because this trap door, this threatens everything we know about our constitutional
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republic. Does seem like the system's ending. I don't want it to end, but, um, this is show nuts.
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And if the people who administer the system are intent on destroying it, it's kind of hard to know
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how, you know, it continues. I, I share your concern, um, being this close to our election process
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as, as I have been through true, the vote for this many years, it does seem like the fix is in,
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but the American people are the reason for hope. There is, there is nothing that we can't do if we
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stick together and impress any given issue. This is just one that, you know, no, nobody seems to know
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about. Certainly we didn't until just not too long ago. I've not talked about it publicly until now,
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because I wanted to make sure that I understood that what I was reading carried the weight that it
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seems to carry. And I've not found anybody to, uh, dissuade me from this belief. It is, it is,
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Well, it certainly is. Um, I don't even have any more questions because I'm so bothered by what
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you just said. I hope you'll come back. Catherine Albrecht, thank you very much.
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