In this episode, Dr. Bruce Schneier joins me to talk about his new book, "The Dark Side of Money" and how governments around the world are trying to digitize the world and take control of your money through the use of artificial intelligence (AI).
00:01:13.940You get, I know you've worked on this for years, but you get the sense if you're just a sort of aware person,
00:01:19.580that there is a concerted attempt by governments around the world to digitize commerce and to digitize currency and to basically control people through money.
00:06:29.220Well, not that I know of, but I haven't looked.
00:06:31.700I've been working with the states because ultimately the one power currently under the Constitution in the United States that can stop this,
00:06:42.900the powers not delegated to the federal government by the states are reserved to the states.
00:06:48.120In other words, the states are technically more powerful than the federal government.
00:06:52.000And under the Constitution, they have the power to override the federal government on many different issues, including health care.
00:07:00.080And so, one of the tensions we see in America is more and more there is a debate between the feds and the states about who has what power.
00:07:11.260So, we've seen a lot of the conservative AGs and treasurers pushing back in a wonderful way, in a marvelous way.
00:07:19.760The challenge they have is this, and this was said to me by a senator in northern Ohio.
00:07:26.680Northern Ohio has one of the best groups of sort of freedom-fighting legislators in the country.
00:07:32.240And as you probably know, because you know Montana, it's very beautiful.
00:07:39.460So, but it's right, you know, it's right next to Montana.
00:07:42.000So, one of the Idaho senators said to me, he said, my problem, every time I fight to implement the Constitution, he said, what I learn is that every year we send a dollar to Washington, and every year Washington sends back a dollar and 19 cents.
00:07:58.100And when I say I want to implement the Constitution, my constituents say to me, I'd rather have the 19 cents.
00:08:03.540So, what we've been watching literally since World War II is the federal government and a very, you know, largesse both monetary and fiscal policy buying people out of the Constitution and buying the whole federal...
00:08:20.480I mean, the federal government is right now operating so far outside the laws, you know, you know how unbelievable it is.
00:08:29.600If we want to be free, you know, we're going to have to decide we're not going to let ourselves be, you know, it's like being sort of walked into the slaughterhouse.
00:08:41.340We're not going to walk into the slaughterhouse.
00:08:44.440I guess what bothers me about it, there's something wonderfully straightforward, horrifying, but wonderfully straightforward about just a conventional invasion where people show up with guns and tell you what to do, because at least you know who the enemy is.
00:08:55.360But there's something very scary in an insidious way about being lulled into slavery.
00:09:03.660And the thing to understand about the lulling is the lulling, the marketing plan works one person at a time.
00:09:10.660In other words, you know, you I buy with money, your friend I buy by knocking them off, or the other, you know, your other friend I get a control file on.
00:09:19.880So, there are thousands of different ways of nudging, buying carrots and sticks to get everybody into the control, into the trap.
00:09:30.020And what is so insidious about this is much of the marketing plan is invisible.
00:11:33.000During the Biden administration, Biden nominated somebody for control of currency who was ultimately not approved.
00:11:40.380The Republicans in the Senate killed the nomination.
00:11:43.420Before she was nominated, three weeks before, she wrote an article in the Vanderbilt Law Review that said the great thing about central bank digital currency, in other words, an all-digital currency system, is you have the perfect tool to deal with inflation.
00:11:58.080If inflation gets out of hand, you just freeze everybody's bank accounts.
00:12:39.160And it's not because they're issuing, you know, too much currency relative to growth.
00:12:43.560It's because we are reversing globalization.
00:12:47.400Globalization created a whole lot of lower costs for a variety of reasons.
00:12:52.140So, if you had severing of supply chains, for example, that would cause inflation because it would just cost more to get the materials and the goods.
00:13:01.360It's, you know, some products, a lot of products stop being economic and just go away.
00:13:06.020So, you know, when you hiccup supply chains, especially if you do it by shock doctrine or shock and all, which is what we're watching now, you know, it wrecks havoc.
00:13:17.500So, think of it like a flotilla of ships that need to turn.
00:13:22.340If the aircraft carrier doesn't let everybody know they're turning, then the boats aren't ready to turn and you have boats smashing into each other.
00:14:29.060And then in 2008, it started to accelerate with the creation of the, you know, as the BRICS started to organize and work to sort of pull out of the dollars.
00:14:37.380I think the idea was you've got a world economy based on the dollar.
00:14:41.220The people who issue and administer the dollar are not running things responsibly.
00:14:45.980Therefore, we need a separate safe haven.
00:14:48.920The people running the dollar system want a unipolar model.
00:14:56.400And we don't want to be part of a unipolar model because we don't want, if you look at the level of subsidy they're extracting, we don't want that level of subsidy extracted.
00:15:07.120And if you look at some of the rules and regulations, we don't want to be a part of it.
00:15:11.540So, we in India, the, I don't know if you ever saw it, one of the greatest explanations of globalization ever given.
00:15:20.660Sir James Goldsmith came to the United States in 1994 and he did an interview with Charlie Rose.
00:15:26.020And he described why we should never approve the Uruguay Round of GATT and institute the WTO.
00:15:32.680And he, to this day, he nailed it perfectly.
00:15:36.320If you could summarize his argument, what would it be?
00:15:39.120He said, we are going to hollow out the middle class in the West and we are going to devastate our culture.
00:16:33.020Well, I think one of the reasons they did it is I think they wanted to create the capacity and centralize the capital they needed to go into space.
00:16:44.160And I think they knew that they would need, every hundred or so years, the central bankers do a reset.
00:16:50.560And I think they knew they were coming into a reset.
00:16:54.840And they felt with this technology that they, you know, if they didn't globalize, someone else would.
00:17:02.780And they wanted to control the process.
00:17:04.900They needed the money to go into space?
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00:19:13.640The credit card companies are ripping Americans off, and enough is enough.
00:19:18.280This is Senator Roger Marshall of Kansas.
00:19:20.960Our legislation, the Credit Card Competition Act, would help end the grip Visa and MasterCard have on us.
00:19:28.180Every time you use your credit card, they charge you a hidden fee called a swipe fee, and they've been raising it without even telling you.
00:19:35.280This hurts consumers and every small business owner.
00:19:39.200In fact, American families are paying $1,100 in hidden swipe fees each year.
00:19:45.080The fees Visa and MasterCard charge Americans are the highest in the world, double candidates, and eight times more than Europe's.
00:19:53.040That's why I've taken action, but I need your help to help get this passed.
00:19:57.440I'm asking you to call your senator today and demand they pass the Credit Card Competition Act.
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00:20:22.640Were you still working for the federal government in 94?
00:20:24.380My company was the lead financial advisor for the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and I was trying to clean up the mortgage corruption.
00:20:34.440And what I ran smack into is that they were clearly and intentionally setting up the infrastructure to dramatically increase mortgage fraud, intentionally.
00:20:46.720Mortgage fraud is a public-private partnership between the New York Fed member banks and the federal government.
00:20:53.400So the Treasury and the Fed were clearly engineering a massive new mortgage bubble, and essentially I was doing a series of things.
00:21:03.580And that mortgage bubble was going to centralize capital, and I was working on a whole plan coming out of the Bush administration.
00:21:10.720We were taking all our profits and investing in building a software infrastructure that would help communities decentralize political and economic power, but in a way that would create new great wealth.
00:21:24.240And one of the projects we had was we were working with – I had a subsidiary that had a project working with the top pension fund leaders in the country.
00:21:35.140And essentially our job was to figure out how the pension funds could invest so that they could handle this baby boomer demographic going through the pension and retirement system, and how we could do it, how they could invest their money, because they're operating at such a size, that it would be good for America.
00:21:57.680You know, how do you build a stronger America in a way that helps the baby boomers, you know, live in retirement?
00:22:05.500And I made a presentation in the spring of 1997 to – we were at a big money management firm outside of Pennsylvania, and one of the board members was a money manager who worked with a lot of the pension funds.
00:22:21.300And so we had all these top corporate and state pension fund leaders, and I made a presentation.
00:22:25.620We had done a simulation of re-engineering the Philadelphia economy to achieve this.
00:22:32.380And the top pension fund leader looked at me and he said, oh, my God, you know, this is very similar to what we tried long ago, and it didn't work.
00:22:41.220And I said, you didn't have the internet.
00:22:43.340You didn't have the tools to get the average person's learning metabolism high enough, you know, on an economic basis to do that.
00:22:51.080We had built a data servicing company in low-income communities, and we were able to show how easily we could get the labor force or people on welfare off of welfare and making lots of money and being very productive at high speed.
00:23:04.380And he looked at me and he said, you don't understand, it's too late.
00:23:09.720I said, what do you mean it's too late?
00:23:11.200He said, they've given up on the country.
00:23:13.480They're moving all the money out starting in the fall.
00:23:16.580He said, you've got to get to Nick Brady.
00:23:18.380Nick had been my – I had been a partner at Dylann Reid, and Nick had been the chairman of Dylann Reid before he became secretary of treasury.
00:23:24.540And at that point, Nick is out, but, you know, sort of involved.
00:23:28.540Anyway, he said, you've got to get to Nick and let him know it's not hopeless.
00:23:33.700And I thought he meant we, the pension funds, have been instructed to reinvest equity and reallocate our equity into the emerging markets, which made sense because they had a much higher growth rate.
00:23:46.280What I didn't realize then was, and I realized shortly thereafter, in October of 1997, that's the beginning of the 1998 fiscal year, huge, enormous amounts of money started disappearing from the U.S. government.
00:24:04.300And literally, by the time of 9-11, there was $4.1 trillion missing from DOD and HUD.
00:24:13.620And if you remember, the day before 9-11, Donna Rumsfeld stood up and basically said – he did a press conference, and he said, there's $2.3 trillion in undocumented adjustments last year at DOD, and we're missing money, and it's worse than terrorism.
00:24:29.860And then, of course, I was working with a reporter on a huge story that would have published that Friday after 9-11 about the missing money.
00:24:38.100We'd been working on it for over a year, and she'd done nine stories.
00:24:41.860I'd helped her do nine stories because we were trying to get the General Accounting Office – now they call it the General Accountability Office.
00:24:50.500But we were trying to get both Congress and the GAO to do something about it and to try and stop it.
00:25:08.260Yeah, well, I don't think the average person – the average person, I think, sort of thinks, well, maybe there were 19 guys from Saudi or something.
00:25:16.480I call the Patriot Act the Control and Concentration of Cash Flow Act because one of the things that happened after 9-11, if you look at the history of the black budget and sort of secret financing that the government uses for secret and classified projects, that pot of money had grown and grown and grown.
00:25:35.600And it had become very dysfunctional to try and get that money.
00:25:40.040Mortgage fraud, I believe, was one of the biggest sources, and that's why what I was doing sort of went to the heart of the problem.
00:25:47.580But the Patriot Act and that whole process was very successful at moving a lot more money onto the budget.
00:25:59.500In other words, it made it much easier to get enormous amounts of money for the national security state as a result of what happened.
00:26:08.520Now, you know, whenever you do an operation like this, you stack functions, so it's only one of many goals.
00:26:58.600It's in Basel, Switzerland, and it has 63 of the most powerful central banks as its members, and the New York Fed and the Fed are both shareholders.
00:27:32.040And essentially, other than one of its staff being in a car accident or, you know, minor things, no one has the legal authority to move against it.
00:27:45.820Number two, it can move money and hold it on its balance sheet and manage money secretly.
00:27:55.100So if I want to, and I'm grossly oversimplifying, if I want to steal $21 trillion from the U.S. government and park it on the balance sheet of the BIS,
00:28:04.400it can move it anywhere in the world and it can keep it on its balance sheet secretly.
00:28:13.200First of all, where does its power come?
00:28:14.920Like, who empowered it to have sovereign immunity and the right to?
00:28:17.780It was created after World War I and sort of collected its powers and got going in the 30s.
00:28:24.500And it was created in theory to manage the reparations of the German government.
00:28:29.560But if you read the real history, it was because the Bank of England and the central bankers wanted an entity that had sovereign immunity.
00:28:37.460They wanted to be able to move money secretly.
00:28:41.120So, for example, if you look at what happened during World War II and all the money that was moving back and forth between the Germans and Americans,
00:28:49.140you know, Dulles was over in Switzerland helping to match all these transfers back and forth.
00:28:55.140So, there's a wonderful book called The Tower of Basel by a wonderful Hungarian journalist where he documents and describes the whole history of the Bank of International Settlements.
00:29:05.260And if you want to understand power in this world, understanding how the Bank of International Settlements and the plumbing of the central banking system works is very, very important.
00:29:16.360I've always been worried that if I knew more that I would become mentally ill.
00:31:42.340And we have two wrap-ups, and I think I sent them to you.
00:31:44.820One is we published in 2015 called Space Here We Go.
00:31:49.140And it's got a picture of a businessman, you know, taking off in a spaceship.
00:31:53.780And then we, in 2017, after a couple of the big investment banks wrote big things about space investment, we wrote one called The Space-Based Economy.
00:32:03.580And then we tracked space on Solary Report, so I would refer you to that.
00:32:08.360But I think, you know, first of all, you've seen a lot of capital centralized into a few billionaires who then reinvest that money in space.
00:32:25.160So, Musk, Bezos, you know, so clearly there's a centralization of capital and a reinvestment.
00:32:32.140So, the idea of space is what, I mean, just biggest possible picture, why would you be interested in space?
00:35:10.480For the record, I have one friend who's very well informed who has convinced me that that is real.
00:35:16.780That they're very concerned about water.
00:35:18.960So, if you look at the history, you know, of solar minimums and you look at what it does to, you know, there was a Russian, I can't remember if he was an economist or scientist, that did a lot of research on the stock market and solar activity.
00:35:34.100You know, and if you're the central bankers and you're in charge of managing the financial system, that reality would make me very nervous.
00:35:45.980So, I think, you know, I think there's something there worth understanding.
00:35:48.960The other thing is, it appears to me, if you go back through history, every 10,000, 12,000 years, we have, you know, some kind of huge disaster.
00:36:33.240So, in one, I think it was, I think the thing that got me to read Three Body Problem was Obama made some cryptic comment about people ought to read this book.
00:36:43.260It was like, hint, hint, you know, here are the problems I'm dealing with.
00:36:46.900And the Three Body Problem is about other bodies that come into the solar system and it's impossible to predict their trajectory.
00:37:00.360And then when they do, they create this catastrophic flooding and earthquakes and all this other stuff.
00:37:05.420Anyway, but I think that there, whether it's a pole shift, magnetic pole shift is one of the, you know, theories of what causes these events.
00:37:14.340But there is a history of near extinction events.
00:37:18.480And one of the things that I've looked at, because I'm trying to figure out, you know, between fiscal 1998 and fiscal 2015, there were 21 trillion of undocumented adjustments in the U.S. government.
00:37:33.420If you go to our website, missingmoney.salyer.com, we have years and years of documentation, including the government financials that show this.
00:37:41.020And so the question is, where's all this money going?
00:37:44.600And one of the things I've looked at in the process of looking at where all this money is going is the underground base and city infrastructure and transportation system that's been built.
00:38:17.940In the United States and all over the world.
00:38:20.420But in, from 2021 to 2023, I took one of the smartest subscribers in the Solere Report Network.
00:38:33.120And he and I spent two years collecting all the data and all the allegations on underground bases.
00:38:39.960And then we systematically went through and tried to estimate our guess.
00:38:47.440This is totally a guess of how many underground bases, both underground in the United States, but also underground under the ocean around the United States.
00:38:57.660And our estimate was 170 with the transportation network connecting them.
00:39:05.380The purpose, if you thought you were going to get a near extinction event, so there, to me, there are two purposes.
00:39:12.680You have so many activities going on that you need to keep secret, that you're basically building the capacity to, for example, if you're doing a secret space program, you need to platform it from, you know, things that can't be seen.
00:39:26.560But I think if you're worried about a near extinction event, you know, that's...
00:39:32.380So I know nothing about this other than my only window into it, I knew a contractor who worked
00:39:38.180on one in Washington, in the city of Washington, D.C.
00:39:41.740And I remember him telling me about a power box, like a transformer box on Constitution Avenue that
00:39:51.160he told me, because he worked on it personally, was actually the exit, the egress from White House.
00:40:05.620And I thought, well, that's kind of crazy.
00:40:07.400Then the middle of this big city where I live, I lived in, I was on Constitution Avenue every day, that you could build something like that without me knowing it under the VP's house at the Naval Observatory.
00:41:05.760It was in 2010 or 12 called Top Secret America.
00:41:09.980And one of the reporters, it was a team of two reporters.
00:41:12.920One of them put together a database of all the different top secret installations that had been built in the country, including since the Patriot Act.
00:41:23.360And what you saw was just this explosion of money in building so many both underground and above-ground facilities.
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00:43:40.840So after I left the administration, after I left the Bush administration, I went on the board of Sallie Mae.
00:43:49.060And I'm on the board of Sallie Mae, and after one of the first meetings, there was a wonderful-
00:43:53.220Stop, I don't, I, you've been talking about underground bases and colonizing space, and you clearly seem totally sane.
00:43:59.820But I'm sure some people are like, well, she's obviously crazy.
00:44:02.380I should have set the stage at the beginning with your biography, like, you're as mainstream, you're on the board of Sallie Mae.
00:44:09.340Sallie Mae, you're a partner at Dylan Reed.
00:44:11.140It's like, you're not just, like, on the internet.
00:44:14.300That, right, I'm sorry, I just want to say, I just want to say that.
00:44:18.980This is like a former high-level federal official who's on the board of Sallie Mae and a partner at Dylan Reed.
00:44:25.120Okay, I just want to say that out loud.
00:44:26.160Okay, so I'm on the board, and there was a lovely chairman, a really lovely guy, and he comes up, he says, can I talk to you after the meeting?
00:47:25.500My Dutch partners, I met because they were doing a series of conferences on breakthrough energy.
00:47:31.420And they brought together breakthrough energy inventors from around the world.
00:47:35.660And, you know, you can see all the videos up on the internet and really went through the history from Tesla on of different inventors who have discovered and claimed different innovations with breakthrough energy.
00:47:48.520And I'm convinced that this energy exists.
00:47:51.640And I'm also convinced if you look at a lot of the really fast ships, you know, flying around the planet, you know, that they, you know, they're not using classical electricity.
00:48:15.740So we know that these I'm sorry, I get so caught up in the details, but we know that there are quite a number of a large underground bases in the United States.
00:48:26.560And then the question becomes, of course, like if they're connected to the power grid, you know, if they're pulling off just a conventional natural gas electricity generation station, you could like know that and measure it.
00:48:38.860But you think they have independent energy sources.
00:48:41.180So one of the, one of the questions I have that I think is really important is when you look at breakthrough energy, if you are running the planet, so I have this nickname for the committee at the top, Mr. Global.
00:48:56.100If you were Mr. Global, you would not want to implement breakthrough energy on a widespread basis for a variety of reasons.
00:49:03.200One of which is everybody got a hold of it and weaponized it.
00:49:08.180Um, my understanding is that, um, uh, literally one small group of people could take this, you know, with no sovereign powers or, you know, just organized crime and use it in a way that could weaponize it and make it very dangerous.
00:49:34.220But if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're the risk manager and you're charged with managing the planet, you know, this has more disruption capability, both weaponization, economic, you know, suddenly everybody's free to do whatever they want.
00:49:48.000And so they're much harder to control.
00:49:50.200So, so if you're Mr. Global and you have the capacity dramatically lower the energy cost, the other danger is then population skyrockets and you, you're concerned about that.
00:50:02.340So if you're Mr. Global and you're worried about what will happen if you bring this technology out, it's very convenient to get complete control.
00:50:11.140If you don't trust the population to be environmentally responsible or politically responsible, then complete control.
00:50:20.220So I have a, we have a good mutual friend who's been bothering me for years to interview you.
00:50:27.760I'm so glad, well, just because she's, he said, this is like the best informed, smartest, most reasonable mainstream sane person I know of you.
00:50:35.920He said this and I was like, yeah, okay.
00:50:37.860Anyway, I'm just really glad we did this interview because you're blowing my mind up and down.
00:50:44.840So how convinced are you that breakthrough energy, alternate forms of energy, non-publicly disclosed forms of energy are in use by the U.S. government?
00:50:57.760I think there's a very high chance that, that they're in some kind of use in a very controlled secret way.
00:51:05.740Well, there are tons of indications and you've had a number of people like at the contractor level, like I'm a federal contractor electrician or a, you know, concrete guy or whatever.
00:51:16.060And I was working on this underground facility.
00:51:18.140There are a number of people who come forward to say this and I saw what appeared to be some brand new form of energy I didn't understand.
00:51:36.000I think he was a concrete guy, you know, and he got a call for a million yards of concrete or whatever and went to this underground facility, DOD facility and saw clearly signs of some energy source that was, you know, defied the laws of known physics.
00:51:52.160So, and there are a bunch of people have said stuff like that.
00:53:22.180And they just felt that the system wasn't working and it required to get consensus.
00:53:28.840You just had to dumb people down and buy them off and it just wasn't working.
00:53:33.000So I think they decided, okay, we're going to re-engineer government on the just do it method.
00:53:37.740And the first thing we're going to do is we're going to pull all the money out.
00:53:41.780We're going to put the government in a debt trap and then we'll squeeze it and shift to the control model.
00:53:46.800And it was a financial coup and it started in fiscal 1998.
00:53:50.940So it started literally October 1st, 1997.
00:53:54.980By 2015, they had, had 21, we had reports in their financials of 21 trillion of undocumented adjustments.
00:54:03.320From a cash standpoint, you know, that could be 50, it could be 50 trillion or 10 trillion.
00:54:09.200There's no way to tell unless you can get access to the bank records.
00:54:12.420And then what happened was Dr. Mark Skidmore of Michigan State University and I published a study, sort of a survey we had done, thanks to him and his students, that announced that we were up to the 21 trillion.
00:54:29.020At that point, then the next step that happened, remember the Kavanaugh hearings?
00:54:33.820Okay, what you don't remember is during the Kavanaugh hearings, the White House, the Senate, the House, Republican and Democrat, all of them together, instituted, issued an administrative policy called Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board Statement 56.
00:54:57.060Yeah, I was busy watching Kavanaugh yell about his teenage drinking or whatever.
00:55:01.140And what that policy said is, as a matter of administrative policy, we do not have to obey the constitutional provisions related to financial budgeting and disclosure.
00:55:12.980We do not have to obey the laws and we do not have to obey the regulations.
00:55:17.500What we can do is appoint a secret group of people by a secret process to move money out of the financial disclosures of the United States and 150, so it's the 24 covered agencies plus approximately 150 governmental entities.
00:55:37.200And when you throw in the classification laws and the national security laws, it also applies to the big banks and contractors working for the U.S. government.
00:55:49.920Now, let me explain what this means as a matter of investment.
00:55:53.220When I look at the U.S. large cap stock market or the U.S. bond market, the treasury market, I have no financial disclosure that has any meaning.
00:56:06.500If I pick up the financials of a New York Fed member bank that is running the U.S. Treasury Department's bank accounts, or if I pick up the treasury financial statements, they're meaningless.
00:56:47.300It's, you know, it has reached a level of absurdity where, but the absurd thing is as a legal matter to take the position that an administrative policy agreed upon by the Uniparty.
00:57:03.020Uniparty can overrule the Constitution, can overrule the laws, and can overrule the regulations simply by, you know, like, you know, you wave the wand and suddenly magically law doesn't matter.
00:57:19.820I mean, now you're talking, and you also saw this in the financial crisis.
00:57:25.340A decision was made by Eric Holder in the Department of Justice to not prosecute HSBC.
00:57:30.560There's a wonderful video on the Best Evidence channel by John Titus about this whole thing.
00:57:37.000And basically, what they said is a systemically important – this is under the BIS.
00:57:44.240There's a definition under the BIS, under the Financial Stability Board, of a financially systemically important institution.
00:57:52.880These institutions are free to break the law with no – they're free to break the law.
00:58:00.540At most, all they have to do is kick back a piece of the profits to the Department of Justice.
00:58:04.620So it's like a formal kickback system.
00:58:07.180And what you're saying is that you're taking the sovereign immunity of the BIS and through the New York Fed, extending it to the banks that are running these operations.
00:58:16.800J.P. Morgan and the rest, Bank of America, yeah.
00:58:42.460And so if they are free to break the law – I mean, if you look at the financial crisis, what you're saying is these companies can lose trillions of dollars, have it replaced by the taxpayer, and keep on going.
00:58:56.460So now is the point of the conversation where I have to ask the obvious question, which is, who are these people?
00:59:03.060So can you name some of the people who you believe are making these decisions, whose decisions are effectively, as you just said, above the law, have effective immunity?
00:59:55.760So in my experience, if you go to the BIS and you look at the systemically important institutions and the members, you know, that's the bureaucracy that runs the debt and the transaction system.
01:00:06.700So the, you know, the transactions, because the whole thing depends on being able to swap and transact.
01:00:15.080The insurance group is very important for the reasons you just described, same as on your house.
01:00:19.940And then the question is, who are the real owners?
01:00:59.260Well, you have the Trump administration and the Department of Justice now in a lawsuit with Harvard over who has what powers over Harvard's policies.
01:01:11.900But I think the big fight is not the, you know, in asymmetrical warfare, the fight is never what the fight's really about.
01:01:19.900The real fight is about who controls the, so Harvard Corporation, the university is only a portion of the Harvard Corporation.
01:01:32.740The Harvard Corporation runs the university and it runs the endowment.
01:01:36.760Okay, and the Harvard Corporation, in my experience, is one of the most important investment syndicates in the world.
01:01:43.440And because they have a tax exemption, they don't have to pay taxes.
01:01:47.440They spin off, I think the last time I looked, I don't know what it is currently, but they spin off about 4% a year for the university, which is a lot cheaper than paying taxes.
01:01:56.660And it's a great investment because the university provides all sorts of intellectual and human capital to the investment syndicate.
01:02:04.040You know, so it's a very brilliant, elegant model.
01:02:07.720And my theory is it was the model that was really created to sort of compete with the Vatican and the Catholics who had 2,000 years of, you know, diplomatic immunity and no taxes.
01:02:19.120Anyway, so, but it is, the Harvard Corporation is run by a perpetuating board.
01:02:26.600So, the board members, if board member leaves, they pick a new board member.
01:02:33.480And my guess is behind the scenes, if there's a fight, one of the fight is who gets on that board because then you control a $50 billion plus endowment.
01:02:42.500And a $50 billion plus endowment, which now has a 39% private equity portfolio.
01:02:50.380And these are, you know, I said to, on Money in Markets, which is our weekly show, I said the other week, you know, if this is a monopoly board, that would be part place.
01:02:58.740Because it's such a flagship in the world of investment.
01:03:16.380Because that will happen at the same time something else is going to happen.
01:03:23.180And these things are going to happen at the same time.
01:03:25.780The thing that's going to rock the universities is if you look at how much money it cost you as a father to put one child through college, you know, you're talking about enormous bills.
01:03:42.500And if you look at how far the universities have gotten away from providing a great education, it's not a good investment.
01:03:53.180So when I was an investment advisor, I used to work with my clients' kids and we would literally do something.
01:04:02.000We have a learning plan on Soleri now that came out of this.
01:04:05.140I would literally make them price time and money for each course they took by course.
01:04:13.060And I would basically make them say, look, what do you want to do in this life and what are the skills and tools you need to do it?
01:04:20.700And how are we going to go get those tools with the least amount of your time and the least amount of your parents' money?
01:04:28.780And we would come up with these wild education plans where they would like, you know, go to San Francisco for this audio-video course and then they would be next year in Budapest studying at the university.
01:04:41.260You know, because you want kids to learn about the world and you want them to be, you know, not provincial, stuck in.
01:04:53.860Anyway, but we would come up with these very creative things and what you discover is in a world of YouTube university and access to extraordinary, you know, resources all around the world to get a great education, the universities in the United States have gotten unbelievably bloated and unbelievably off track.
01:05:18.240Right, and they're a terrible, if you're a loving parent, they're a terrible investment.
01:05:23.720You love your children, you want your children to be successful.
01:05:26.580If I want my child to be successful in the world we're going into, you know, whether it turns into a control grid or the control grid, as I believe, will fail, you know, you want them to have an outstanding education.
01:05:38.400And I will tell you bluntly, the reason the unipolar model failed is because we don't have a culture that can field and manage a unipolar.
01:06:01.920So if you're going to run the world, you need Eaton and Sandhurst to provide an administrative class that's tough, clear thinking, has a well-defined mission.
01:06:19.820If you're going to be part of a project that is longer than a lifetime, then you have to understand that this is about, you know, at the root, this is about your immortal soul and your soul is immortal.
01:06:34.420And that triggers a very different way of looking at the world and a very different way of thinking.
01:06:40.120And then you have to be able to collaborate across time and space in very powerful ways.
01:06:59.100And this is what the Russians understood.
01:07:01.020And this is why they whooped our ass in Ukraine.
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01:08:58.440Let me just move back once again to something that you said about policymakers, the Congress, the central banks, the White House, giving up on the American model in the mid-90s when the budget deal failed.
01:09:12.480I think you said it was 95, I vaguely remember that.
01:09:17.380You know, this democratic system or whatever version of a democratic system we have, our system is incapable of self-perpetuating long-term.
01:10:01.220Yeah, so if you want to move people to a much lower economic footprint, let alone do it on a shocking basis, having complete control is obviously very convenient.
01:10:12.260Okay, so the bottom line is everybody's about to get a lot poorer.
01:10:14.940Not everybody, but the majority is about to get a lot poorer.
01:10:52.520To a certain extent, remember, in my experience, the way they govern is they have targets and goals.
01:10:59.200And then, you know, you sort of make it up as you go.
01:11:02.740And sometimes it works and it's very fluid.
01:11:04.740So I wonder if the AI, if the data center boom, which really is the only sort of crackling, sparkling piece of the real estate market right now.
01:11:12.980I think it's building data centers, development market.
01:11:36.000So, like, either they're going to build it on coal deposits in Wyoming or, which is going to be kind of hard because they're going to have to say all that climate stuff we've been yelling at you about for 30 years is total bullshit.
01:12:38.420And I know for a fact, I'm not guessing at this, that there are people running countries around the world who've thought about, like, what does AI mean for my population?
01:13:09.840But if you listen to Sean Parker saying, I'm going to live to 145, or there's an interview where the president's son-in-law says, you know, we're going to be the last generation to die or the first generation to live forever.
01:13:24.020So, you clearly have a group of people biohacking who think they can engage in massive longevity.
01:13:31.220It makes me want to start smoking again.
01:13:45.420Right, but what I'm saying is, if you truly believe you can do that, and you're not going to allow the general population to do it for environmental reasons, then you would be for depopulation.
01:14:05.240In other words, there's a whole set of scenarios I don't care about.
01:14:09.100I'm interested in freedom, and I believe that the only way we can be free is through a culture that embraces the divine and builds true wealth, enduring wealth, and living wealth, not just financial wealth.
01:14:35.500I don't have that much money, but I feel that way.
01:14:37.520Well, it's an integration of living equity with financial equity, and what I learned being a financial advisor is that everyone had been taught to build financial equity, and they couldn't integrate it with living equity.
01:14:51.540So, you'd work with somebody who's, you know, worth millions of dollars who said they couldn't afford organic food.
01:14:58.400Really, you know, the number one thing that causes a diminution of family wealth is health problems and, you know, health care fraud and health care bankruptcy.
01:15:09.920It's like, you know, please take a million dollars out of your bank account and start investing in really building, you know, doing everything you and your family need to be really healthy, you know, to have perfect water, to have great food, etc.
01:15:24.840The other thing I discovered was, you know, everybody was trying to put their money in the national security state instead of helping their kids buy homes and integrating with, you know, building the living equity.
01:15:37.880So, my mother's family were Quakers, and you didn't even think about buying stock until you sent all your kids to the best Quaker schools.
01:15:45.600You know, that was like, that was first.
01:15:47.260So, you think it's a, you're dropping so much here, I'm just trying to pause, like tease out certain themes, but you think it's wiser, you know, if you have children and you care about them to help them buy homes than it is to.
01:16:11.300So, I litigated with the Department of Justice for 11 years, or actually, it was, it was, some of that was fisticuffing with the tax guys, but anyway, so, so I had the sort of enemy of the state process of, I had 18 audits and investigations, 12 tracks of litigation, a smear campaign, and physical harassment.
01:16:35.020So, they didn't like what you were saying?
01:16:36.100So, they didn't like the idea that I would try and stop the mortgage bubble.
01:16:39.800They really wanted to have a mortgage bubble.
01:16:42.240And, and we were doing things to bring disclosure to, to play, it's called place-based financials.
01:16:49.660I really believed that if local communities could see how all the money worked in their neighborhood, that we could change things.
01:16:58.520So, for example, I would constantly, when I was at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, I would find neighborhoods where we were spending $250,000 per unit to build public housing, and $50,000 would buy and rehab a defaulted, a foreclosed property in the FHA inventory.
01:17:19.540And so, literally, if you could just, within a four or 10-block area, you know, take that $250,000 and, and, and spend it in the way that was the most efficient in that place, you could get four or five homes for the price of one.
01:17:35.360When I took those numbers, we did all sorts of due diligence.
01:17:38.860This is when I was a contractor, to the woman who worked for the guy who ran the $250,000 program.
01:17:47.200And I showed it to her and I said, look, we could, you know, New Orleans, Chicago, LA, we could get four or five homes for the price of one.
01:17:54.980And she turned bright red and she said, but how would we generate fees for our friends?
01:18:00.220Or how would we, you know, pay off foreign countries who flood our, our political system with donations if, you know, if we're actually spending it to like build nice houses for Americans, like repair Redding, Pennsylvania, we could be spending it in wherever, disgusting Middle Eastern place.
01:18:15.520So, so if you look at place-based financial statements, there's extraordinary opportunity to just re-engineer what's already there.
01:18:23.320Without taking money from anybody else and, and making it.
01:18:26.740So I really thought if you, if you create, so we created a software tool called Community Wizard that would allow everybody on the internet to just come and download the data and start looking at how the money worked in their places in a way that you could see real opportunities.
01:18:42.060The, the, the litigation starts and literally you go from being very wealthy and very trusted and very respected to being an enemy of the state.
01:18:54.120No one will talk to you, nobody will answer your phone.
01:18:55.960And, and suddenly all your income stops, all your income stops, your credit stops, you're just frozen.
01:19:05.500So, so, so anyway, so, you know, you, you have the assets that you have.
01:19:10.780Luckily, they never turned off my bank account, so I was lucky that way.
01:19:14.120But one of the things that happened was they started, I had had a farm in New Hampshire and I sold my share to my uncle and a wonderful and very wealthy uncle who was like the patriarch.
01:19:26.000And, and, and he bought my, and I warned him, if you buy this, you know, they may come after you too.
01:19:33.200And he was a very standup guy, very fearless.
01:19:36.240And he said, you know, I'll deal with that.
01:19:37.820So sure enough, I sell him the farmland.
01:19:41.100They call him and they say, you know, your niece is a criminal and you shouldn't be doing this, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:19:46.660And, and they said, we want the financial records from the farm.
01:19:53.080We want all the financial records of the farm.
01:19:55.740And he said, well, send me a letter so I can give it to my lawyer and I'm happy to send them to you.
01:20:00.640So they, you know, and this is the summer farm where all the family goes.
01:20:04.220Anyway, so, so instead of sending him a letter, they show up at his house in Portsmouth, New Hampshire at 9 p.m. at night, three FBI guys and a HUD IG guy with a subpoena.
01:20:49.940So that is what, to restate, that is what money is for.
01:20:52.880So I just always, I hadn't even thought about it.
01:20:55.400By the way, your average, like 23-year-old NBA player who's floating all of his cousins and single mom, he understands that better than your average rich person.
01:21:04.220Your obligation is to your family and including with money.
01:24:51.440But I, I don't think I've heard someone say them in a long time.
01:24:55.540Well, but if we're going to build a successful culture, that culture has to be good at building wealth, living wealth and financial wealth, both on an integrated basis.
01:25:06.880So if you come to Solary, we have a curriculum called building wealth.
01:25:12.340And we organize all of our content into and around building wealth.
01:25:17.220And because it's, it's part of what you have to build to build a culture that can really be part of real solutions.
01:25:25.680So the, the first pillar is free and inspired life.
01:25:28.940And so, you know, our theory is you have a goal, you have a relationship with the creator and you decide, you know, what's, what's your free and inspired life?
01:26:07.240Don't use the official reality to manage your time and money because then you're going to get, I mean, I clean so many people up from financial fraud and healthcare fraud because they believe the official reality.
01:27:42.020I don't think I've ever heard someone describe dark deeds with more cheerfulness.
01:27:47.500Like, how do you, how do you not go crazy?
01:27:49.520So you have to keep a state of amusement.
01:27:51.760I mean, it's, I really, you know, I, one of the most breakthrough moments for me in the last 20 years was when I, I realized that it was okay to be happy no matter what was going on.
01:28:05.420And sometimes you can't be, it's so horrible what's going on, but I'll tell you exactly when it happened.
01:28:11.020I had a wonderful church where I studied spiritual warfare for two and a half years at the beginning of the litigation.
01:28:16.800And it was that training that saved my life.
01:28:20.680And, but I was at a sermon and there was a co-pastor who had very long fingernails.
01:28:25.440And she was very angry and she was shaking her hands with her long fingernails.
01:28:31.600And, you know, sometimes when you're in a big church and they point right at you and she said, she said, she said, the devil can have my house and the devil can have my car, but the devil cannot have my joy.
01:28:43.900And it was like, I exploded in my head and I said, that's it.
01:28:52.420You may have noticed that the companies whose products you buy tend to kind of hate you.
01:28:56.000They're controlled by massive multinational corporations and they have all kinds of weird agendas that you're supporting when you buy their products.
01:29:03.380We didn't realize that nicotine pouches, which we've used for years, were in this category.
01:31:47.340It's so, as my mother used to say, it's so unnecessary, you know.
01:31:52.080It's just like, it's, you just can't fathom why anybody would do it.
01:32:00.080I, you know, I watch the folks who are in the financial system who are deeply corrupt and just constantly take and take and take, you know, the plunder team.
01:32:13.480And I think, how is that, to me, what they're doing is not fun.
01:32:55.440Yeah, so when Van Gogh, it's my theory when Van Gogh finished a painting that, it's like, pow, it's like, wow, you know, it's great.
01:33:04.360And, and you watch these guys do the fraud and destroy, you know, all the mortgage fraud and it destroys neighborhoods and it destroys family.
01:33:13.140And it's just, it's just, it's like a lose, lose, lose.
01:34:27.040But, but let's just grossly oversimplify and talk about what that means with the 21 trillion.
01:34:33.380So the treasury sells pension, sells treasury bonds to our pension funds, moves 21 trillion into the bank accounts at the New York Fed member banks for the treasury.
01:34:47.420And then the 21 trillion disappears out of the back door.
01:34:50.100So it's just a straw that's sucking our pension fund money into, I call it the breakaway civilization.
01:35:01.560And meantime, we as taxpayers are now obligated to pay the debt into that we owe our pension funds and the money is gone.
01:35:10.440Why do you call it the breakaway civilization?
01:35:11.940Breakaway civilization was a term made famous by Richard Dolan.
01:35:16.400And it simply described a decision to create a parallel system.
01:35:24.140You know, first it started with the black budget, but it grew, you know, call it the national security state.
01:35:29.120But, but, but to build a civilization that literally was separate and not subject to the laws of the existing one.
01:35:36.440So if I'm running a company and I want to bring up new systems, I'll bring up the new systems while I'm running the old and I'll run them in parallel and I'll move things over slowly.
01:35:46.300And then at some point I bring the current thing down.
01:35:49.280And to me, that's what the financial coup was.
01:35:51.440You're moving the money out of one system and, and putting it in another.
01:35:55.160So in theory, 21 trillion is enough at a 5%, you know, interest rate to basically finance a, a private government, if you will.
01:36:12.720So when I was at HUD in 1989, it was 80, late 89 or early 90, I was in a meeting with the secretary and we had brought all the regional administrators in for a meeting with the secretary.
01:36:28.740And, um, um, he was very upset because the regional administrator from California had implemented something in response to a court decision.
01:36:38.440There was a court case in the court of appeals and they decided, okay, you got to go to the right.
01:37:10.220And just at that moment, it was like, remember the scene in Eyes Wide Shut when you first walk in on the, you know, the secret society doing their occult ritual?
01:37:21.560You know, you had this image of, oh, you know, he literally, he doesn't have to obey the laws of the United States.
01:37:29.880He's operating under a different governance structure.
01:37:34.640And that, you know, there, there are many, um, there's a very famous story of Lincoln, um, when he's talking about his, what he wants to do to implement the reconstruction policies.
01:37:48.500And he tells a story about a young child saying, you know, if I throw the fish back, dad will get mad at me.
01:37:57.500But if I, um, if I, uh, if it slips from my hand accidentally and you grab it, then dad won't be mad at me.
01:38:07.240And the implication of the story is that Lincoln has a dad that he, he can't buck.
01:38:14.460And, and, you know, we're back to the question, who's dad?
01:38:17.540It's the same question as who's Mr. Global.
01:38:19.840And you've never gotten closer to the answer or you've never settled on an answer.
01:39:11.100And the question is, why and where's it going?
01:39:13.740And you think it's going to infrastructure projects?
01:39:16.860I think it's going to infrastructure projects.
01:39:19.260I think it's going to big investments like, you know, building the control grid is a big one.
01:39:24.420And one of my questions on the financial coup is, are they literally setting up an endowment so they can run, you know, the world on a global governance that's a dictatorship with an endowment?
01:39:36.880So it's the, you know, it's, it's, it's a bigger endowment than anybody else's.
01:39:42.080You said a couple minutes ago that the debt, the U.S. government's debt, which I think even people are not interested in this stuff, are aware that it's, it's, it's there and that it's a problem.
01:39:59.980We, if you look at our current model, it is not being run on an economic basis and it's getting much worse and it's getting worse steadily.
01:40:13.820Our military budget this year is approximately 850 billion and the president wants to take it or the secretary of defense is saying we've got to take it to a trillion.
01:41:46.940I was asked by a healthcare practitioner to give a presentation called How the Money Works on Organized Crime.
01:41:54.700And it later became a very famous article called Narco Dollars for Beginners.
01:42:00.260And it was meant to be a light, funny description of the intersection of organized crime flows with Washington and Wall Street.
01:42:08.640So, my book, I have an online book called Dylan Reed and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits that is a case study that teaches people, it's designed to be like a business school's case study that shows you that intersection between illegal cash flows and Wall Street and Washington.
01:42:26.880Anyway, so, I'm in the middle of the speech and I'm describing the congressional testimony on the Dark Alliance allegations that happened in 1998.
01:42:36.200And at the time, I was helping a reporter do research and she was covering the hearings.
01:42:44.260And a spokesperson for the Department of Justice told her, so, I'm in the middle of the speech and there are about 100 people.
01:42:52.020And the conference where I'm speaking is a conference that happens once a year by this group.
01:43:00.660And the focus is on how we evolve our society spiritually.
01:43:03.580So, this is a very spiritually committed group of people who want to evolve our society spiritually.
01:43:09.560So, I'm describing the fact that a spokesperson for the Department of Justice told this reporter I was helping that the U.S. economy launders $500 billion to a trillion dollars a year of all illegal money.
01:43:28.680And the number is now much, much bigger.
01:43:32.500But they were describing the fact that the U.S. economy and financial system is the leader globally in laundering dirty money.
01:43:39.880So, I said to this wonderful group of spiritually evolved people, what would happen if we stopped being the global leader in money laundering?
01:43:53.280They said, well, you know, the money would leave the New York Stock Exchange and go to Singapore or Zurich or London.
01:43:59.800And we might have trouble financing the government deficit because, you know, now we borrow over half of the money currently.
01:44:10.200And so, we, you know, our taxes might go up or our government checks might stop.
01:44:15.600So, I said, okay, let's pretend there's a big red button up here on the lectern.
01:44:18.960And if you push that button, you can stop all hard narcotics trafficking in your town, your county, your state tomorrow, thus offending the people who control $500 billion to a trillion dollars a year of all dirty money in the accumulated capital thereon.
01:44:58.940They said, we don't want our taxes to go up.
01:45:01.040We don't want our government checks to stop.
01:45:03.400And we don't want our 401ks and IRAs to go down.
01:45:08.500So, if I had voted, there would have been two pushing the red button.
01:45:11.620So, what I discovered that day, the problem was that not that they wouldn't push the red button, but they wouldn't go into the invention room and have an honest conversation about what the real problem was and how, I call it, how we turn the red button green.
01:45:27.980How we make money pushing the red button, because then we can push the red button.
01:45:32.600And you have to push the red button because you cannot become wealthy liquidating your children.
01:45:39.500You cannot become wealthy by poisoning your children and your people.
01:45:43.720And yet, that's what we've been doing in America for decades now.
01:45:47.140And now, here's the political problem.
01:45:50.460If you're the new president of the United States and you walk into the Oval Office, your political guy is going to say to you, Mr. President, the American people just spent billions getting you voted in as president.
01:46:10.120They want the COLA increase on Social Security.
01:46:12.380They want a community block development grant.
01:46:14.460And you're going to turn to your Secretary of Treasury and he says, well, you better be nice to the people who control $500 billion to a trillion dollars and the accumulated capital they're on.
01:46:22.860And, of course, the number is much bigger now.
01:46:24.600Now, how are you going to press the red button?
01:46:47.260When Goldwater, the end of World War II, George Keenan said, we got 6% of the people and 50% of the resources and we're going to have to be tough if we keep this going.
01:47:22.020Everybody wants the story of I am good.
01:47:23.720And the problem, you can push the red button, you can turn it green, but it has to be done one neighborhood at a time.
01:47:32.900You need to take all the money in a place and instead of spending the government money to centralize control and on the control grid, you need to re-engineer it to build real wealth.
01:47:44.200And you've got to decentralize the economic power.
01:47:47.660If you centralize and you create lots of billionaires, you're going to shrink the pie and that's what we've been doing.
01:47:53.220And we've been making money from poisoning each other.
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01:48:32.200What happened to me was I fell into this because I had terrible, terrible experiences with the corporate media.
01:48:42.960And so, I just started doing shows and giving out my email and saying, if you have a question, ask me.
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01:48:56.160And then finally, I got so many questions that I would just, you know, I finally said I need to hire people.
01:49:02.520But we have this global network of subscribers and audience who get on the site, share comments, they're brilliant, and we help each other figure things out.
01:49:13.700And we've literally become an intelligence network, you know, and it's all people who want to be free and they all understand one can't be free unless we're all free.
01:49:23.260You know, this is an all or nothing thing.
01:49:25.600They either get the control grid or we're free and the only way we're going to be free is if everybody's free.