The Tucker Carlson Show - Catherine Fitts： Bankers vs. the West, Secret Underground Bases, and the Oncoming Extinction Event

00:00:00.000 The U.S. economy and financial system is the leader globally in laundering dirty money.

00:00:05.220 I said to this wonderful group, let's pretend there's a big red button up here on the lectern.

00:00:09.560 And if you push that button, you can stop all hard narcotics trafficking tomorrow.

00:00:14.740 Who here will push the button?

00:00:16.180 And out of 100 people dedicated to evolving our society spiritually, guess how many would push the button?

00:00:21.340 I don't know.

00:00:22.400 One.

00:00:23.100 You suggested the control grid is in part designed to manage the population.

00:00:27.340 So if you want to move people to a much lower economic footprint, having complete control is obviously very convenient.

00:00:33.940 Okay, so the bottom line is the majority is about to get a lot poorer.

00:00:36.600 So the question is, where's all this money going?

00:00:38.700 And one of the things I've looked at is the underground base and city infrastructure and transportation system that's been built.

00:00:46.560 What would be the purpose?

00:00:47.900 I think if you're worried about a near extinction event.

00:00:57.340 So thank you for doing this.

00:01:13.940 You get, I know you've worked on this for years, but you get the sense if you're just a sort of aware person,

00:01:19.580 that there is a concerted attempt by governments around the world to digitize commerce and to digitize currency and to basically control people through money.

00:01:33.560 Correct.

00:01:34.400 That's correct.

00:01:35.260 Okay, so that was my first question.

00:01:36.400 Is this happening?

00:01:37.160 Am I imagining it?

00:01:38.000 It's absolutely happening.

00:01:39.200 And what's important to understand, it's been happening for a long time.

00:01:43.960 In other words, this is like an invisible corral that they've been building around you for a long, long time.

00:01:51.880 Because how do a few sneak up on the many?

00:01:54.840 Well, you have to do it very quietly, invisibly, before you throw the trap.

00:01:58.300 So essentially what they're building, because it's converting a currency system into a control system.

00:02:06.260 So it's really the end of currency.

00:02:08.780 And what they're doing is they've been building the different digital pieces.

00:02:13.480 And when it integrates and comes together, then you literally have a digital concentration camp.

00:02:19.520 It's complete and utter control.

00:02:21.440 Otherwise known as the world.

00:02:24.000 Here's the thing to understand.

00:02:25.520 You and I grew up in a world where there was mass media, where you were pitching stories, you know.

00:02:31.320 So you had 57 varieties of ice cream, and you're pitching them to 57 different niches.

00:02:36.000 But you're still pitching to mass audiences.

00:02:38.920 What we're talking about is a system where you can surveil, control, and influence one person at a time.

00:02:47.920 And with AI and software, each person can have their custom surveillance, influence, nudging, and control system.

00:02:56.080 And punishment.

00:02:57.120 Yes.

00:02:58.040 Enforcement.

00:02:58.720 Because ultimately, if you control money, you can starve people to death. 1.00

00:03:01.880 You can kill them. 1.00

00:03:03.020 Right. 1.00

00:03:03.540 So go back and think of the pandemic.

00:03:06.000 So if I say you can't go more than a mile from your home, and I say you have to be mandated a pharmaceutical,

00:03:15.720 then if you don't take the pharmaceutical, I can turn off your money.

00:03:19.680 If you go more than a mile away from your home, your money and your credit cards won't work.

00:03:25.100 So, you know, whatever rules I lay down, there's a wonderful example.

00:03:31.800 The head of the Bank of International Settlements is the Central Bank of Central Banks.

00:03:36.380 And it's been running the process to implement basically an all-digital monetary system.

00:03:44.280 And they have innovation hubs all over the world.

00:03:46.840 They've been running this process for a long time.

00:03:48.560 And in 2020, when the pandemic started, or it was October 2020, so the pandemic was underway,

00:03:55.940 the general manager of the Bank of International Settlements was on an IMF panel.

00:04:00.580 And in one minute, first time in my life I ever saw a central banker tell the truth, I fell off my chair.

00:04:07.460 And he said, you know, the beauty of this is we can set the rules on how your money works,

00:04:15.580 and we have the technology to enforce them.

00:04:18.480 And what he was saying is literally from one place in, you know, anywhere in the world where the technology exists,

00:04:28.840 you can track each person individually.

00:04:30.840 You can set a complex list of rules, you know, like legislation, regulation, and administrative policy,

00:04:38.420 and you can enforce them all with the technology with AI and software.

00:04:43.240 So, have you ever seen, there's a wonderful movie called The Lives of Others about the German Stasi and surveillance.

00:04:50.800 It's about a group of artists and sort of creative, talented people who are under surveillance by the German Stasi.

00:04:56.720 And you see what it's like to be under surveillance for 24-7.

00:05:02.220 Think of each one of us, we're all under surveillance, not just by governments, but by corporations who are trying to do something.

00:05:10.700 And it may not be anything nefarious.

00:05:13.120 So, 80 different companies are trying to sell you something, or 80 different companies are trying to get your data for some reason.

00:05:21.060 And so, they have AI and software bots that track you and follow you and learn from you and try and influence what you do,

00:05:29.100 because they're trying to extract some kind of value from you.

00:05:32.580 And literally, think of, you know, being attacked by a swarm of bees.

00:05:36.480 We're surrounded now by a swarm of AI software bots, all trying to learn from us, extract something from us, or get us to do something.

00:05:47.100 Now, when you go to an all-digital system, then there's no escape.

00:05:52.620 And then they can start literally to enforce rules.

00:05:55.320 They do now.

00:05:57.100 So, what are the manifestations of this that maybe we're not paying attention to or don't perceive for what they are?

00:06:03.540 So, look at what they did to the Canadian truckers.

00:06:06.620 We don't like what you're doing.

00:06:07.860 We cut off your money.

00:06:08.840 And we cut off your friends' money.

00:06:10.180 And if people help you, we cut off their money, too.

00:06:13.080 So, I've known so many different people around the country who've been debanked.

00:06:17.580 We just got legislation passed in Tennessee that a bank over a certain size couldn't debank someone for political or religious reasons.

00:06:25.580 You know, and you're one of the things that's happening.

00:06:28.100 There's no such federal law.

00:06:29.220 Well, not that I know of, but I haven't looked.

00:06:31.700 I've been working with the states because ultimately the one power currently under the Constitution in the United States that can stop this,

00:06:42.900 the powers not delegated to the federal government by the states are reserved to the states.

00:06:48.120 In other words, the states are technically more powerful than the federal government.

00:06:52.000 And under the Constitution, they have the power to override the federal government on many different issues, including health care.

00:07:00.080 And so, one of the tensions we see in America is more and more there is a debate between the feds and the states about who has what power.

00:07:11.260 So, we've seen a lot of the conservative AGs and treasurers pushing back in a wonderful way, in a marvelous way.

00:07:19.760 The challenge they have is this, and this was said to me by a senator in northern Ohio.

00:07:26.680 Northern Ohio has one of the best groups of sort of freedom-fighting legislators in the country.

00:07:32.240 And as you probably know, because you know Montana, it's very beautiful.

00:07:36.300 And...

00:07:36.760 You're talking about Montana?

00:07:37.940 Idaho.

00:07:38.680 Idaho.

00:07:39.320 Okay.

00:07:39.460 So, but it's right, you know, it's right next to Montana.

00:07:42.000 So, one of the Idaho senators said to me, he said, my problem, every time I fight to implement the Constitution, he said, what I learn is that every year we send a dollar to Washington, and every year Washington sends back a dollar and 19 cents.

00:07:58.100 And when I say I want to implement the Constitution, my constituents say to me, I'd rather have the 19 cents.

00:08:03.540 So, what we've been watching literally since World War II is the federal government and a very, you know, largesse both monetary and fiscal policy buying people out of the Constitution and buying the whole federal...

00:08:20.480 I mean, the federal government is right now operating so far outside the laws, you know, you know how unbelievable it is.

00:08:26.980 So, that's the challenge before us.

00:08:29.600 If we want to be free, you know, we're going to have to decide we're not going to let ourselves be, you know, it's like being sort of walked into the slaughterhouse.

00:08:41.340 We're not going to walk into the slaughterhouse.

00:08:43.700 But you don't even...

00:08:44.440 I guess what bothers me about it, there's something wonderfully straightforward, horrifying, but wonderfully straightforward about just a conventional invasion where people show up with guns and tell you what to do, because at least you know who the enemy is.

00:08:55.360 But there's something very scary in an insidious way about being lulled into slavery.

00:09:03.400 Right.

00:09:03.660 And the thing to understand about the lulling is the lulling, the marketing plan works one person at a time.

00:09:10.660 In other words, you know, you I buy with money, your friend I buy by knocking them off, or the other, you know, your other friend I get a control file on.

00:09:19.880 So, there are thousands of different ways of nudging, buying carrots and sticks to get everybody into the control, into the trap.

00:09:30.020 And what is so insidious about this is much of the marketing plan is invisible.

00:09:37.040 And it really is crafted one by one.

00:09:39.820 The odds seem overwhelming against the average person in a system that you just described.

00:09:45.280 So, how far are we from not being able to exercise constitutional freedoms?

00:09:52.320 So, I don't know how many years.

00:09:55.460 They're clearly pushing to have this done by 2030.

00:09:59.420 And, you know, what I do have to say is if you look at what it takes to stop it, I believe they're going to fail.

00:10:06.420 Now, what I don't underestimate is how much damage they could do.

00:10:11.300 And, you know, the failure may not come in time to save America.

00:10:15.440 So, if we could just stop and define terms, who's they?

00:10:19.420 The central bankers?

00:10:21.380 Yes.

00:10:22.100 Right.

00:10:22.440 So, we have a democratic republic, or we have a republic and use this democratic process.

00:10:29.600 What happened in 1913 is the bankers took control of monetary policy.

00:10:34.060 What they're trying to do now is take control of fiscal policy.

00:10:37.940 Once they get control of fiscal policy, it's going to be much harder to reverse it. 0.98

00:10:42.640 Can you, I'm going to ask a series of really dumb questions. 0.98

00:10:45.620 Okay. 0.94

00:10:45.800 I hope you'll indulge me.

00:10:47.020 What's the difference?

00:10:48.360 Taxation without representation.

00:10:50.220 But between fiscal and monetary policy.

00:10:52.080 Okay.

00:10:52.400 Monetary policy is I control the process by which currency is issued, including through credit.

00:11:00.020 So, I generally govern and control credit issuance.

00:11:04.800 Yes.

00:11:05.200 And from that, the currency, the creation and management of the currency.

00:11:10.220 Fiscal policy is when I control the taxes and the borrowing of the U.S. government.

00:11:15.040 Now, because the central bank basically operates the borrowing, you know, it's the borrowing shared.

00:11:22.760 But this comes down as the, you know, this is the Boston Tea Party moment.

00:11:27.860 Can they tax without representation?

00:11:30.280 So, I'll give you a little story.

00:11:33.000 During the Biden administration, Biden nominated somebody for control of currency who was ultimately not approved.

00:11:40.380 The Republicans in the Senate killed the nomination.

00:11:43.420 Before she was nominated, three weeks before, she wrote an article in the Vanderbilt Law Review that said the great thing about central bank digital currency, in other words, an all-digital currency system, is you have the perfect tool to deal with inflation.

00:11:58.080 If inflation gets out of hand, you just freeze everybody's bank accounts.

00:12:03.780 Nice.

00:12:04.740 Right, right, right.

00:12:05.900 You know.

00:12:06.960 So, it's, it's, so.

00:12:10.740 Inflation is a creation of monetary.

00:12:12.860 It's the effect of monetary policy.

00:12:14.420 It's like something that somebody did to you.

00:12:17.240 Well, there are two things that cause inflation.

00:12:20.100 So, one is monetary policy, managing monetary policy in a way that creates monetary inflation.

00:12:28.540 But you also have, and we're going through it now, what I call deglobalization, where you have real increases in the cost of goods.

00:12:37.000 So, my cost of goods are going up.

00:12:39.160 And it's not because they're issuing, you know, too much currency relative to growth.

00:12:43.560 It's because we are reversing globalization.

00:12:47.400 Globalization created a whole lot of lower costs for a variety of reasons.

00:12:52.140 So, if you had severing of supply chains, for example, that would cause inflation because it would just cost more to get the materials and the goods.

00:12:58.080 Right.

00:12:58.460 And it's not just higher prices.

00:13:01.360 It's, you know, some products, a lot of products stop being economic and just go away.

00:13:06.020 So, you know, when you hiccup supply chains, especially if you do it by shock doctrine or shock and all, which is what we're watching now, you know, it wrecks havoc.

00:13:17.500 So, think of it like a flotilla of ships that need to turn.

00:13:22.340 If the aircraft carrier doesn't let everybody know they're turning, then the boats aren't ready to turn and you have boats smashing into each other.

00:13:30.460 You sink a lot of ships doing that.

00:13:31.520 You sink a lot of ships.

00:13:34.640 So, leaving aside whether that was wise or not, that's what we're doing.

00:13:37.580 Right.

00:13:38.700 So, you get inflation out of that, of course.

00:13:40.640 You're absolutely right.

00:13:41.260 If oil prices go up, you get inflation.

00:13:43.100 Right.

00:13:43.440 And that deglobalization started in the financial crisis.

00:13:47.440 So, you know, so it's accelerating now, but it's not that we just started it.

00:13:52.720 How did it start during, in 2008?

00:13:54.620 Yes.

00:13:55.580 Yes.

00:13:56.280 Because why?

00:13:57.440 Because for several reasons, but one is we were trying to exercise more and more control through the dollar system.

00:14:05.860 And we've always exercised a lot of power and control and extracted a subsidy from the dollar system.

00:14:12.760 But you have more and more people trying to get out of the system.

00:14:15.900 And the financial crisis, first the Asian crisis in 97 was a real wake up to Asia. 0.97

00:14:23.880 You know, you need to create more resiliency.

00:14:27.100 But more and more things happened.

00:14:29.060 And then in 2008, it started to accelerate with the creation of the, you know, as the BRICS started to organize and work to sort of pull out of the dollars.

00:14:37.380 I think the idea was you've got a world economy based on the dollar.

00:14:41.220 The people who issue and administer the dollar are not running things responsibly.

00:14:45.980 Therefore, we need a separate safe haven.

00:14:48.920 The people running the dollar system want a unipolar model.

00:14:54.180 Yeah.

00:14:54.500 The U.S. wants a unipolar model.

00:14:56.400 And we don't want to be part of a unipolar model because we don't want, if you look at the level of subsidy they're extracting, we don't want that level of subsidy extracted.

00:15:07.120 And if you look at some of the rules and regulations, we don't want to be a part of it.

00:15:11.540 So, we in India, the, I don't know if you ever saw it, one of the greatest explanations of globalization ever given.

00:15:20.660 Sir James Goldsmith came to the United States in 1994 and he did an interview with Charlie Rose.

00:15:26.020 And he described why we should never approve the Uruguay Round of GATT and institute the WTO.

00:15:32.680 And he, to this day, he nailed it perfectly.

00:15:36.320 If you could summarize his argument, what would it be?

00:15:39.120 He said, we are going to hollow out the middle class in the West and we are going to devastate our culture.

00:15:50.660 Our culture?

00:15:51.700 Yes, our culture.

00:15:52.700 We're going to devastate our culture and we're going to devastate the quality of the food supply.

00:15:58.200 He said that?

00:15:58.960 Yes.

00:16:00.020 So, now those are my words of way of saying it.

00:16:03.760 You should watch it.

00:16:04.420 And I think, to this day, I think it's the best description.

00:16:08.880 And if you read my online book and you listen to Sir James Goldsmith, what they both describe is the fact we knew.

00:16:16.460 We knew what we were, in other words, the leadership knew that this would destroy or devastate the West.

00:16:23.080 So, why'd they do it?

00:16:26.120 That's the $64,000 question.

00:16:28.860 Well, they hate the West.

00:16:31.040 Defenders of the West.

00:16:32.160 No, I don't think you are.

00:16:33.020 Well, I think one of the reasons they did it is I think they wanted to create the capacity and centralize the capital they needed to go into space.

00:16:44.160 And I think they knew that they would need, every hundred or so years, the central bankers do a reset.

00:16:50.560 And I think they knew they were coming into a reset.

00:16:54.840 And they felt with this technology that they, you know, if they didn't globalize, someone else would.

00:17:02.780 And they wanted to control the process.

00:17:04.900 They needed the money to go into space?

00:17:07.100 Mm-hmm.

00:17:07.620 The capital.

00:17:09.020 Well, I don't even know what that means.

00:17:10.440 So, I think they wanted to build the capacity to become a multi-planetary civilization.

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00:20:11.820 Man, I was caught up in such minutiae in 1994.

00:20:14.780 I never heard anybody say that.

00:20:16.920 I had no idea that was happening.

00:20:18.500 So I didn't become convinced of that in 1994.

00:20:21.620 I became convinced.

00:20:22.640 Were you still working for the federal government in 94?

00:20:24.380 My company was the lead financial advisor for the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and I was trying to clean up the mortgage corruption.

00:20:34.440 And what I ran smack into is that they were clearly and intentionally setting up the infrastructure to dramatically increase mortgage fraud, intentionally.

00:20:46.720 Mortgage fraud is a public-private partnership between the New York Fed member banks and the federal government.

00:20:53.400 So the Treasury and the Fed were clearly engineering a massive new mortgage bubble, and essentially I was doing a series of things.

00:21:03.580 And that mortgage bubble was going to centralize capital, and I was working on a whole plan coming out of the Bush administration.

00:21:10.720 We were taking all our profits and investing in building a software infrastructure that would help communities decentralize political and economic power, but in a way that would create new great wealth.

00:21:24.240 And one of the projects we had was we were working with – I had a subsidiary that had a project working with the top pension fund leaders in the country.

00:21:35.140 And essentially our job was to figure out how the pension funds could invest so that they could handle this baby boomer demographic going through the pension and retirement system, and how we could do it, how they could invest their money, because they're operating at such a size, that it would be good for America. 0.94

00:21:57.680 You know, how do you build a stronger America in a way that helps the baby boomers, you know, live in retirement? 0.99

00:22:05.500 And I made a presentation in the spring of 1997 to – we were at a big money management firm outside of Pennsylvania, and one of the board members was a money manager who worked with a lot of the pension funds.

00:22:21.300 And so we had all these top corporate and state pension fund leaders, and I made a presentation.

00:22:25.620 We had done a simulation of re-engineering the Philadelphia economy to achieve this.

00:22:32.380 And the top pension fund leader looked at me and he said, oh, my God, you know, this is very similar to what we tried long ago, and it didn't work.

00:22:41.220 And I said, you didn't have the internet.

00:22:43.340 You didn't have the tools to get the average person's learning metabolism high enough, you know, on an economic basis to do that.

00:22:51.080 We had built a data servicing company in low-income communities, and we were able to show how easily we could get the labor force or people on welfare off of welfare and making lots of money and being very productive at high speed.

00:23:04.380 And he looked at me and he said, you don't understand, it's too late.

00:23:09.720 I said, what do you mean it's too late?

00:23:11.200 He said, they've given up on the country.

00:23:13.480 They're moving all the money out starting in the fall.

00:23:16.580 He said, you've got to get to Nick Brady.

00:23:18.380 Nick had been my – I had been a partner at Dylann Reid, and Nick had been the chairman of Dylann Reid before he became secretary of treasury.

00:23:24.540 And at that point, Nick is out, but, you know, sort of involved.

00:23:28.540 Anyway, he said, you've got to get to Nick and let him know it's not hopeless.

00:23:31.660 This can all be turned around.

00:23:33.700 And I thought he meant we, the pension funds, have been instructed to reinvest equity and reallocate our equity into the emerging markets, which made sense because they had a much higher growth rate.

00:23:46.280 What I didn't realize then was, and I realized shortly thereafter, in October of 1997, that's the beginning of the 1998 fiscal year, huge, enormous amounts of money started disappearing from the U.S. government.

00:24:04.300 And literally, by the time of 9-11, there was $4.1 trillion missing from DOD and HUD.

00:24:13.620 And if you remember, the day before 9-11, Donna Rumsfeld stood up and basically said – he did a press conference, and he said, there's $2.3 trillion in undocumented adjustments last year at DOD, and we're missing money, and it's worse than terrorism.

00:24:29.860 And then, of course, I was working with a reporter on a huge story that would have published that Friday after 9-11 about the missing money.

00:24:38.100 We'd been working on it for over a year, and she'd done nine stories.

00:24:41.860 I'd helped her do nine stories because we were trying to get the General Accounting Office – now they call it the General Accountability Office. 0.97

00:24:50.500 But we were trying to get both Congress and the GAO to do something about it and to try and stop it.

00:24:58.380 And anyway, as you know –

00:25:01.500 Yeah, priorities changed.

00:25:03.200 Right.

00:25:03.900 For reasons that we still don't understand.

00:25:06.940 Oh, I understand.

00:25:08.260 Yeah, well, I don't think the average person – the average person, I think, sort of thinks, well, maybe there were 19 guys from Saudi or something.

00:25:16.480 I call the Patriot Act the Control and Concentration of Cash Flow Act because one of the things that happened after 9-11, if you look at the history of the black budget and sort of secret financing that the government uses for secret and classified projects, that pot of money had grown and grown and grown.

00:25:35.600 And it had become very dysfunctional to try and get that money.

00:25:40.040 Mortgage fraud, I believe, was one of the biggest sources, and that's why what I was doing sort of went to the heart of the problem.

00:25:47.580 But the Patriot Act and that whole process was very successful at moving a lot more money onto the budget.

00:25:59.500 In other words, it made it much easier to get enormous amounts of money for the national security state as a result of what happened.

00:26:08.520 Now, you know, whenever you do an operation like this, you stack functions, so it's only one of many goals.

00:26:13.540 But it was very successful.

00:26:15.220 Boy, it all went right over my head.

00:26:17.800 I thought it was all about Mohammed Atta.

00:26:19.440 I had no idea.

00:26:20.540 I know you're laughing.

00:26:22.080 I want to tell you my church story.

00:26:23.980 Wait, hold on.

00:26:24.800 There's so many threats here.

00:26:26.880 Yeah, there's a lot of threats.

00:26:27.920 Yeah, there's a lot of threats.

00:26:28.760 I just want to – I don't want to let it continue to hang in the air, this question of space.

00:26:33.720 You sort of threw that out parenthetically, but, like, I've never heard that before.

00:26:36.740 So you believe, going back 30 years, that people in the U.S. government and in the finance world wanted money for space?

00:26:44.380 Yeah, it wasn't U.S. government.

00:26:45.340 It was the central banking.

00:26:46.680 If you look at the – if you look at the group of people who meet through the BIS.

00:26:52.000 What's that?

00:26:52.900 The BIS is the Bank of International Settlements, and it's the central bank of central banks.

00:26:57.900 Where is that located?

00:26:58.600 It's in Basel, Switzerland, and it has 63 of the most powerful central banks as its members, and the New York Fed and the Fed are both shareholders.

00:27:09.940 They became shareholders in 1994.

00:27:12.340 In one sentence, what's the purpose of the Bank of International Settlements?

00:27:15.920 Okay, so there are two things you need to know about the Bank of International Settlements.

00:27:19.140 I'm not sure my brain's big enough for this, but keep going.

00:27:21.100 It is.

00:27:21.600 Okay.

00:27:22.760 It has sovereign immunity.

00:27:25.980 What does that mean?

00:27:26.980 It's above the law.

00:27:28.240 It's its own country.

00:27:29.220 Right.

00:27:29.540 It's its own country.

00:27:30.400 It has its own police force.

00:27:32.040 And essentially, other than one of its staff being in a car accident or, you know, minor things, no one has the legal authority to move against it.

00:27:40.720 Okay, it has sovereign immunity.

00:27:44.200 That's number one.

00:27:45.820 Number two, it can move money and hold it on its balance sheet and manage money secretly.

00:27:55.100 So if I want to, and I'm grossly oversimplifying, if I want to steal $21 trillion from the U.S. government and park it on the balance sheet of the BIS,

00:28:04.400 it can move it anywhere in the world and it can keep it on its balance sheet secretly.

00:28:10.720 Why would there be an organization?

00:28:13.200 First of all, where does its power come?

00:28:14.920 Like, who empowered it to have sovereign immunity and the right to?

00:28:17.780 It was created after World War I and sort of collected its powers and got going in the 30s.

00:28:24.500 And it was created in theory to manage the reparations of the German government.

00:28:29.560 But if you read the real history, it was because the Bank of England and the central bankers wanted an entity that had sovereign immunity.

00:28:37.460 They wanted to be able to move money secretly.

00:28:41.120 So, for example, if you look at what happened during World War II and all the money that was moving back and forth between the Germans and Americans,

00:28:49.140 you know, Dulles was over in Switzerland helping to match all these transfers back and forth.

00:28:55.140 So, there's a wonderful book called The Tower of Basel by a wonderful Hungarian journalist where he documents and describes the whole history of the Bank of International Settlements.

00:29:05.260 And if you want to understand power in this world, understanding how the Bank of International Settlements and the plumbing of the central banking system works is very, very important.

00:29:16.360 I've always been worried that if I knew more that I would become mentally ill.

00:29:21.800 No.

00:29:22.800 No.

00:29:23.280 So, I just have to say that reality is sort of the door that you open to find real solutions.

00:29:32.840 So, there are real solutions.

00:29:34.860 And the biggest obstacle to implementing them is nobody wants to face it.

00:29:39.560 So, I used to have a pastor who would say-

00:29:41.020 Nobody wants to face the truth of how things actually work.

00:29:43.220 And I understand that because the hardest thing I ever had to do, Tucker, was look in the mirror and say, I'm the patsy.

00:29:50.640 I was the assistant secretary of housing.

00:29:53.920 I didn't know.

00:29:55.000 And I went along.

00:29:56.180 And I didn't face this.

00:29:57.380 I should have seen this faster.

00:29:58.800 I should have said, I'm the patsy.

00:30:01.280 And it was-

00:30:02.100 Sometimes it's harder than facing death to admit that you've been part of, you know, a big lie and you've been tricked.

00:30:10.820 As someone who advocated for the Iraq War on television, I've lived this to some extent. 0.93

00:30:15.000 Oh, no.

00:30:15.620 Yes, I did.

00:30:16.280 Well, you know, part of facing this is you have to forgive yourself.

00:30:20.920 You really have to.

00:30:22.220 But I used to have a pastor who would say, if we can face it, God can fix it.

00:30:26.980 Because you have to understand, we can't fix it.

00:30:29.400 There are many, many things we can do to change the course.

00:30:33.560 And I believe, ultimately, freedom can prevail.

00:30:37.200 And there's many things we can do to help that happen.

00:30:40.240 But ultimately, this is a spiritual war.

00:30:43.660 And you have to call on God.

00:30:45.580 You have to call on the divine.

00:30:47.380 And that's where the battle is ultimately going to be decided.

00:30:51.580 And that means, literally, I believe this is true, the divine intelligence cannot go to work unless we're willing to face it.

00:30:59.460 You know, we have to look at it, we have to pray, we have to ask for help, and we have to deal with it.

00:31:06.300 And the solutions, the real solutions will be cultural.

00:31:09.820 There'll be millions of people acting in their own life, refusing to be controlled, you know, individually.

00:31:18.320 Very, very wise, what you just said.

00:31:20.780 I think it's true, and thank you for saying that.

00:31:23.140 I want to just go one more time to the space question.

00:31:27.460 So, you said that people with power at the central banks decided that we need to sort of colonize space or move towards space.

00:31:38.400 Did that happen?

00:31:40.240 So, here's what happened.

00:31:42.340 And we have two wrap-ups, and I think I sent them to you.

00:31:44.820 One is we published in 2015 called Space Here We Go.

00:31:49.140 And it's got a picture of a businessman, you know, taking off in a spaceship.

00:31:53.780 And then we, in 2017, after a couple of the big investment banks wrote big things about space investment, we wrote one called The Space-Based Economy.

00:32:03.580 And then we tracked space on Solary Report, so I would refer you to that.

00:32:08.360 But I think, you know, first of all, you've seen a lot of capital centralized into a few billionaires who then reinvest that money in space.

00:32:25.160 So, Musk, Bezos, you know, so clearly there's a centralization of capital and a reinvestment.

00:32:32.140 So, the idea of space is what, I mean, just biggest possible picture, why would you be interested in space?

00:32:39.060 I say this as someone who's not.

00:32:40.740 Right.

00:32:41.180 So, let me give you a couple reasons why.

00:32:43.680 First of all, you're looking for, the miners are looking for a variety of different resources.

00:32:50.220 So, there are practical reasons if you can get the cost down that you would want to do asteroid mining.

00:32:55.200 The big one, the big economic one is control is most easily implemented by satellites.

00:33:02.820 So, you want to put up a whole ring of satellites that combined with telecommunications can basically help run the control grid.

00:33:11.540 And not just the control grid in the West, the control grid, if you're going to shift huge amounts of money globally,

00:33:19.120 how are you going to track and enforce that your money is being properly invested?

00:33:24.180 Well, you need a control grid globally.

00:33:26.740 So, I think that's part of it.

00:33:28.520 The last thing, and I don't know the answer to this, is I think there is real concern about geophysical risks.

00:33:35.660 Yeah.

00:33:36.460 And one way to deal with that is to make sure we don't bet the ranch on one planet.

00:33:42.580 So, to that, if we could just linger on that.

00:33:44.460 Thank you for that.

00:33:45.880 That all makes sense.

00:33:47.620 If we could just linger on one question.

00:33:49.480 So, geophysical risks.

00:33:50.520 So, we've been lectured for, I don't know, 30 years now about climate change.

00:33:54.740 Climate change is obviously an ongoing feature of life on this planet.

00:33:58.980 The glaciers.

00:33:59.360 It's just an op.

00:34:01.260 So, of course, it's an op.

00:34:03.420 And I think we, you know, people have figured that out.

00:34:06.080 Yeah.

00:34:06.260 But that doesn't mean that smart, highly informed people aren't worried about geophysical risks.

00:34:15.220 They are.

00:34:15.760 And I know some of them are.

00:34:17.120 So, what do you think those risks are?

00:34:19.440 That honest, smart people who are interested in self-preservation and thriving, like what are the risks they're worried about?

00:34:25.520 So, I think the first is a solar minimum, where you get big drops in the economy and the agriculture and you can't feed the population.

00:34:35.820 Right.

00:34:36.340 So.

00:34:36.800 Because there are changes in climate because of the distance of the earth from the sun.

00:34:40.740 Right.

00:34:41.060 And that changes.

00:34:41.940 Right.

00:34:42.160 So, we know throughout history, we go through periods of solar minimum.

00:34:45.420 Solar minimum is the name?

00:34:46.960 I think it's called solar minimum.

00:34:48.680 I'm not an expert in any of this.

00:34:50.520 So, they are worried about climate change, but they don't think it's coming from your suburban.

00:34:55.980 Right.

00:34:56.260 It's not coming from human behavior.

00:34:58.220 Now, there are environmental problems coming from human behavior.

00:35:01.540 For sure.

00:35:01.900 That's for sure.

00:35:02.760 Right.

00:35:03.600 So, that's one.

00:35:07.280 And do you think that risk is real?

00:35:09.000 I don't know.

00:35:10.480 For the record, I have one friend who's very well informed who has convinced me that that is real.

00:35:16.780 That they're very concerned about water.

00:35:18.960 So, if you look at the history, you know, of solar minimums and you look at what it does to, you know, there was a Russian, I can't remember if he was an economist or scientist, that did a lot of research on the stock market and solar activity.

00:35:34.100 You know, and if you're the central bankers and you're in charge of managing the financial system, that reality would make me very nervous.

00:35:45.220 Okay.

00:35:45.980 So, I think, you know, I think there's something there worth understanding.

00:35:48.960 The other thing is, it appears to me, if you go back through history, every 10,000, 12,000 years, we have, you know, some kind of huge disaster.

00:35:59.740 An extinction event.

00:36:00.780 An extinction, a near extinction event.

00:36:03.100 So, I don't know if you've ever read the science fiction book, Three Body Problem.

00:36:06.920 No.

00:36:07.380 It's fascinating.

00:36:08.460 It's one of the top Chinese science fiction.

00:36:11.100 And it's about a plan.

00:36:15.260 I've read no Chinese science fiction.

00:36:17.180 Okay. 0.67

00:36:19.640 I'm feeling very ignorant this morning. 0.67

00:36:21.400 No, no, no, no.

00:36:22.040 Because I, here's the thing.

00:36:23.540 I'm just trying to figure out what in the world's going on.

00:36:25.760 Yeah, amen.

00:36:26.520 I'm in the same place.

00:36:27.740 And so, that always, as you know, that always leads you to the most.

00:36:30.960 It does.

00:36:31.540 Right.

00:36:31.840 It does.

00:36:32.220 Right.

00:36:33.240 So, in one, I think it was, I think the thing that got me to read Three Body Problem was Obama made some cryptic comment about people ought to read this book.

00:36:43.260 It was like, hint, hint, you know, here are the problems I'm dealing with.

00:36:46.900 And the Three Body Problem is about other bodies that come into the solar system and it's impossible to predict their trajectory.

00:37:00.360 And then when they do, they create this catastrophic flooding and earthquakes and all this other stuff.

00:37:05.420 Anyway, but I think that there, whether it's a pole shift, magnetic pole shift is one of the, you know, theories of what causes these events.

00:37:14.340 But there is a history of near extinction events.

00:37:18.480 And one of the things that I've looked at, because I'm trying to figure out, you know, between fiscal 1998 and fiscal 2015, there were 21 trillion of undocumented adjustments in the U.S. government.

00:37:33.420 If you go to our website, missingmoney.salyer.com, we have years and years of documentation, including the government financials that show this.

00:37:41.020 And so the question is, where's all this money going?

00:37:44.600 And one of the things I've looked at in the process of looking at where all this money is going is the underground base and city infrastructure and transportation system that's been built.

00:37:57.420 I'm sorry?

00:37:57.960 Yes.

00:37:59.040 So we have built an extraordinary number of underground bases and supposedly transportation systems.

00:38:07.800 Some of these are a record of, some of these are documented as part of the national security infrastructure.

00:38:14.140 I think there are many more.

00:38:16.280 So...

00:38:16.900 In the United States?

00:38:17.940 In the United States and all over the world.

00:38:20.420 But in, from 2021 to 2023, I took one of the smartest subscribers in the Solere Report Network.

00:38:33.120 And he and I spent two years collecting all the data and all the allegations on underground bases.

00:38:39.960 And then we systematically went through and tried to estimate our guess.

00:38:47.440 This is totally a guess of how many underground bases, both underground in the United States, but also underground under the ocean around the United States.

00:38:57.660 And our estimate was 170 with the transportation network connecting them.

00:39:04.360 And what would be the purpose?

00:39:05.380 The purpose, if you thought you were going to get a near extinction event, so there, to me, there are two purposes.

00:39:12.680 You have so many activities going on that you need to keep secret, that you're basically building the capacity to, for example, if you're doing a secret space program, you need to platform it from, you know, things that can't be seen.

00:39:26.560 But I think if you're worried about a near extinction event, you know, that's...

00:39:32.380 So I know nothing about this other than my only window into it, I knew a contractor who worked

00:39:38.180 on one in Washington, in the city of Washington, D.C.

00:39:41.740 And I remember him telling me about a power box, like a transformer box on Constitution Avenue that

00:39:51.160 he told me, because he worked on it personally, was actually the exit, the egress from White House.

00:39:59.060 That was kind of by vehicle.

00:40:00.100 I thought that was...

00:40:01.540 I was like, really?

00:40:02.360 He goes, oh, yeah, no, I installed it.

00:40:04.360 I know.

00:40:05.620 And I thought, well, that's kind of crazy.

00:40:07.400 Then the middle of this big city where I live, I lived in, I was on Constitution Avenue every day, that you could build something like that without me knowing it under the VP's house at the Naval Observatory.

00:40:16.780 Same thing.

00:40:17.880 I think most people know that.

00:40:19.700 Next to my brother's house on Macomb Street in D.C.

00:40:23.300 Also.

00:40:24.180 So, like, but that's...

00:40:25.240 I always thought that was, like, preparation for nuclear war.

00:40:28.220 Like, I didn't really think about it that much.

00:40:29.680 But, yeah, it's preparation for catastrophe.

00:40:33.060 So, but you think that there are facilities like that in other places outside D.C.?

00:40:38.200 Oh, yeah.

00:40:39.360 So, if you're interested, we have a great interview.

00:40:42.080 I did an interview of Richard Dolan on Underground Bases on the Solari Report.

00:40:46.260 And it's sort of an introduction to the topic.

00:40:48.780 And it's based on a lot of the research of a guy named Richard Sauter, who is very hard to interview.

00:40:54.880 So, Richard kind of went through all the material.

00:40:58.120 And, you know, clearly it's...

00:41:02.400 I don't know if you ever saw...

00:41:03.400 Well, Washington Post did a project.

00:41:05.760 It was in 2010 or 12 called Top Secret America.

00:41:09.980 And one of the reporters, it was a team of two reporters.

00:41:12.920 One of them put together a database of all the different top secret installations that had been built in the country, including since the Patriot Act.

00:41:23.360 And what you saw was just this explosion of money in building so many both underground and above-ground facilities.

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00:43:22.260 If you're building a lot underground, you're on the wrong side.

00:43:27.680 I just don't think that's a good sign.

00:43:29.920 So I'll tell you very close.

00:43:31.060 I mean, right?

00:43:32.100 I mean, like, just like, let's just, the obvious first.

00:43:35.380 That's not good.

00:43:36.740 So I'll tell you a very funny story.

00:43:40.840 So after I left the administration, after I left the Bush administration, I went on the board of Sallie Mae.

00:43:49.060 And I'm on the board of Sallie Mae, and after one of the first meetings, there was a wonderful-

00:43:53.220 Stop, I don't, I, you've been talking about underground bases and colonizing space, and you clearly seem totally sane.

00:43:59.820 But I'm sure some people are like, well, she's obviously crazy. 0.97

00:44:02.380 I should have set the stage at the beginning with your biography, like, you're as mainstream, you're on the board of Sallie Mae.

00:44:09.340 Sallie Mae, you're a partner at Dylan Reed.

00:44:11.140 It's like, you're not just, like, on the internet.

00:44:14.300 That, right, I'm sorry, I just want to say, I just want to say that.

00:44:18.980 This is like a former high-level federal official who's on the board of Sallie Mae and a partner at Dylan Reed.

00:44:25.120 Okay, I just want to say that out loud.

00:44:26.160 Okay, so I'm on the board, and there was a lovely chairman, a really lovely guy, and he comes up, he says, can I talk to you after the meeting?

00:44:35.220 And I said, sure.

00:44:36.440 And he pulls out this big, glossy brochure for the Council on Foreign Relations, and he said, the time has come for you to join.

00:44:44.120 And he said, we want you to ask Nick, Nick Brady, to sponsor you.

00:44:47.820 And I said to him, you know, Sam, I just don't want to do this.

00:44:52.380 I just, I really don't want to do this.

00:44:55.120 And he looked shocked, and he said, you don't understand.

00:44:57.980 If you don't do this, you're out forever.

00:45:00.440 And just at that moment, just at that moment, you know, it's these moments when things come to you.

00:45:06.960 I saw in my mind, I'm very pictorial, I saw in my mind a locker in the underground base, and they were taking my name off of the locker.

00:45:15.800 And I thought, I thought, you know, if it comes to that, I'll take my chances upstairs with the way to play.

00:45:24.160 Yeah, me too.

00:45:24.960 And I said, but it's this, it's a, you know, something, it's at the deepest root, it's a spiritual and cultural question.

00:45:30.840 I totally agree.

00:45:32.180 Who's cowering underground, like in the dark places?

00:45:35.740 No.

00:45:36.780 There's, but to me, there's nothing wrong with going into a bunker if they're bombing, okay?

00:45:41.780 Yeah.

00:45:41.900 You know, I don't have a problem with that.

00:45:43.480 But I really didn't want to be with all of them in a concentrated space.

00:45:49.280 It was like, no, I'd rather.

00:45:51.560 And you know them, you're not guessing at this, like you know a lot of these people.

00:45:55.760 I know a lot of these people.

00:45:57.040 And the one thing I will have to say, if there's anything I learned from my history, the problem is not they are bad and we are good.

00:46:06.360 That's not how this works.

00:46:08.560 The evil and the good is threaded at every level of society, every community, every enterprise.

00:46:14.960 It doesn't work like that.

00:46:16.320 Well, I'm not especially good.

00:46:17.860 I know that.

00:46:18.560 I know that for a fact.

00:46:20.200 I think you're pretty good.

00:46:21.940 Yeah.

00:46:22.220 But of course, you know more about yourself than anyone else does.

00:46:24.900 And I know that what a flawed person I am.

00:46:26.540 So I'll never declare myself on.

00:46:29.320 Right.

00:46:30.060 On, you know, I'll never say God's on my side.

00:46:32.320 I'll say I want to be on God's side.

00:46:33.880 Right.

00:46:34.120 Exactly.

00:46:34.380 It's an open question.

00:46:35.980 Well, it's a journey.

00:46:37.260 It's never over.

00:46:38.160 Right.

00:46:38.600 And we're not perfect.

00:46:40.060 And it's, you try every day to do as good as you can.

00:46:43.780 You know, and it's like baseball.

00:46:45.260 You get some hits some days and some days you strike out.

00:46:48.900 So, but you believe that there's a whole constellation of underground bases built by the U.S. government in the United States.

00:46:56.100 Like that fact alone, just the physical infrastructure of it, because normally you talk about what are they doing?

00:47:00.820 It's enormously expensive.

00:47:02.860 Well, it's unbelievable.

00:47:03.700 And like it raises lots of practical questions.

00:47:05.760 How do you ventilate them?

00:47:06.560 What about food and water supply?

00:47:08.100 You know.

00:47:08.540 Where's the energy?

00:47:09.460 Are we using breakthrough energy or?

00:47:11.740 Where's the energy come?

00:47:13.080 Right.

00:47:14.200 Right.

00:47:14.500 Because I'm sure that we have the ability to produce breakthrough energy at very low cost.

00:47:21.960 You know, if you go back.

00:47:22.740 Why are you sure of that?

00:47:25.500 My Dutch partners, I met because they were doing a series of conferences on breakthrough energy.

00:47:31.420 And they brought together breakthrough energy inventors from around the world.

00:47:35.660 And, you know, you can see all the videos up on the internet and really went through the history from Tesla on of different inventors who have discovered and claimed different innovations with breakthrough energy.

00:47:48.520 And I'm convinced that this energy exists.

00:47:51.640 And I'm also convinced if you look at a lot of the really fast ships, you know, flying around the planet, you know, that they, you know, they're not using classical electricity.

00:48:03.860 They're not using.

00:48:04.840 Right.

00:48:05.080 So, so, so, you know, they're not running in diesel.

00:48:09.960 Right.

00:48:10.280 Exactly.

00:48:11.240 Right.

00:48:11.980 So.

00:48:14.960 Yeah.

00:48:15.740 So we know that these I'm sorry, I get so caught up in the details, but we know that there are quite a number of a large underground bases in the United States.

00:48:25.040 We can state that as fact.

00:48:26.380 Right.

00:48:26.560 And then the question becomes, of course, like if they're connected to the power grid, you know, if they're pulling off just a conventional natural gas electricity generation station, you could like know that and measure it.

00:48:38.860 But you think they have independent energy sources.

00:48:40.700 Of course they do.

00:48:41.180 So one of the, one of the questions I have that I think is really important is when you look at breakthrough energy, if you are running the planet, so I have this nickname for the committee at the top, Mr. Global.

00:48:56.100 If you were Mr. Global, you would not want to implement breakthrough energy on a widespread basis for a variety of reasons.

00:49:03.200 One of which is everybody got a hold of it and weaponized it.

00:49:06.560 It could be very dangerous.

00:49:08.040 Why?

00:49:08.180 Um, my understanding is that, um, uh, literally one small group of people could take this, you know, with no sovereign powers or, you know, just organized crime and use it in a way that could weaponize it and make it very dangerous.

00:49:24.420 I don't, I'm not a scientist.

00:49:26.400 I don't really understand.

00:49:27.100 Right.

00:49:27.300 But energy by definition is dangerous.

00:49:29.100 You know, gasoline is dangerous.

00:49:30.660 Right.

00:49:31.060 Right.

00:49:31.340 Electricity is dangerous.

00:49:32.260 Of course, nuclear energy is dangerous.

00:49:33.920 Right.

00:49:34.220 But if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're the risk manager and you're charged with managing the planet, you know, this has more disruption capability, both weaponization, economic, you know, suddenly everybody's free to do whatever they want.

00:49:48.000 And so they're much harder to control.

00:49:50.200 So, so if you're Mr. Global and you have the capacity dramatically lower the energy cost, the other danger is then population skyrockets and you, you're concerned about that.

00:50:02.340 So if you're Mr. Global and you're worried about what will happen if you bring this technology out, it's very convenient to get complete control.

00:50:11.140 If you don't trust the population to be environmentally responsible or politically responsible, then complete control.

00:50:20.220 So I have a, we have a good mutual friend who's been bothering me for years to interview you.

00:50:25.360 You've got to interview her.

00:50:27.240 Why?

00:50:27.760 I'm so glad, well, just because she's, he said, this is like the best informed, smartest, most reasonable mainstream sane person I know of you.

00:50:35.920 He said this and I was like, yeah, okay.

00:50:37.860 Anyway, I'm just really glad we did this interview because you're blowing my mind up and down.

00:50:44.840 So how convinced are you that breakthrough energy, alternate forms of energy, non-publicly disclosed forms of energy are in use by the U.S. government?

00:50:57.760 I think there's a very high chance that, that they're in some kind of use in a very controlled secret way.

00:51:05.540 Yeah.

00:51:05.740 Well, there are tons of indications and you've had a number of people like at the contractor level, like I'm a federal contractor electrician or a, you know, concrete guy or whatever.

00:51:16.060 And I was working on this underground facility.

00:51:18.140 There are a number of people who come forward to say this and I saw what appeared to be some brand new form of energy I didn't understand.

00:51:24.820 Right.

00:51:25.840 Insane people too.

00:51:27.120 Sean Ryan, who's a friend of mine, wonderful guy, honest man, who's a podcaster, interviewed, did an interview with this guy.

00:51:32.900 It was just like a, just a random blue collar guy.

00:51:35.880 Right.

00:51:36.000 I think he was a concrete guy, you know, and he got a call for a million yards of concrete or whatever and went to this underground facility, DOD facility and saw clearly signs of some energy source that was, you know, defied the laws of known physics.

00:51:52.160 So, and there are a bunch of people have said stuff like that.

00:51:54.340 So I don't think it's crazy.

00:51:55.060 I have a, one of, I have two businesses.

00:51:57.500 One is the Solary Report.

00:51:58.600 The other is Solary Screens.

00:51:59.800 I do an investment screen.

00:52:01.400 And I think, you know, a lot has to shift in investment if we're going to have a real civilization and not misallocate.

00:52:08.520 I think we're misallocating capital terribly anyway.

00:52:11.400 But he, he for 30 years has been an investor in a breakthrough energy company.

00:52:17.060 Someone you know has been.

00:52:18.320 Yeah.

00:52:18.880 Yeah.

00:52:19.380 And, and it's called Brilliant Light.

00:52:21.060 You can go look at their website, you know, and, and they're really,

00:52:25.060 you know, they swear they've got it.

00:52:28.620 And what is it?

00:52:31.540 Don't ask me.

00:52:32.720 Yeah.

00:52:33.400 You got to get him on and.

00:52:34.880 So, um, you think this money has been taken by people who've really thought through the future and are determined to survive it?

00:52:45.640 So I think, I call it a financial coup.

00:52:48.120 I think what happened was when the budget deal busted in 1995, they gave up on the government.

00:52:59.820 They just said, you know, this form of government will not work as a governance structure to manage the dollar system.

00:53:07.900 They're right about that.

00:53:09.180 And, and, and, you know, they just felt it was impossible.

00:53:13.600 If you're a risk manager, you got to turn the aircraft carrier before you hit the iceberg.

00:53:19.320 And that could be 20 years before.

00:53:21.520 Do you know what I mean?

00:53:22.180 And they just felt that the system wasn't working and it required to get consensus.

00:53:28.840 You just had to dumb people down and buy them off and it just wasn't working.

00:53:33.000 So I think they decided, okay, we're going to re-engineer government on the just do it method.

00:53:37.740 And the first thing we're going to do is we're going to pull all the money out.

00:53:41.780 We're going to put the government in a debt trap and then we'll squeeze it and shift to the control model.

00:53:46.800 And it was a financial coup and it started in fiscal 1998.

00:53:50.940 So it started literally October 1st, 1997.

00:53:54.980 By 2015, they had, had 21, we had reports in their financials of 21 trillion of undocumented adjustments.

00:54:03.320 From a cash standpoint, you know, that could be 50, it could be 50 trillion or 10 trillion.

00:54:09.200 There's no way to tell unless you can get access to the bank records.

00:54:12.420 And then what happened was Dr. Mark Skidmore of Michigan State University and I published a study, sort of a survey we had done, thanks to him and his students, that announced that we were up to the 21 trillion.

00:54:29.020 At that point, then the next step that happened, remember the Kavanaugh hearings?

00:54:33.480 Very well.

00:54:33.820 Okay, what you don't remember is during the Kavanaugh hearings, the White House, the Senate, the House, Republican and Democrat, all of them together, instituted, issued an administrative policy called Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board Statement 56.

00:54:55.220 Yeah, I did miss that, I'll just say.

00:54:56.620 You did miss that.

00:54:57.060 Yeah, I was busy watching Kavanaugh yell about his teenage drinking or whatever.

00:55:01.140 And what that policy said is, as a matter of administrative policy, we do not have to obey the constitutional provisions related to financial budgeting and disclosure.

00:55:12.980 We do not have to obey the laws and we do not have to obey the regulations.

00:55:17.500 What we can do is appoint a secret group of people by a secret process to move money out of the financial disclosures of the United States and 150, so it's the 24 covered agencies plus approximately 150 governmental entities.

00:55:37.200 And when you throw in the classification laws and the national security laws, it also applies to the big banks and contractors working for the U.S. government.

00:55:49.920 Now, let me explain what this means as a matter of investment.

00:55:53.220 When I look at the U.S. large cap stock market or the U.S. bond market, the treasury market, I have no financial disclosure that has any meaning.

00:56:03.760 Everything's secret.

00:56:05.320 I have no idea what it means.

00:56:06.500 If I pick up the financials of a New York Fed member bank that is running the U.S. Treasury Department's bank accounts, or if I pick up the treasury financial statements, they're meaningless.

00:56:21.080 They don't mean anything.

00:56:22.740 What's missing?

00:56:24.040 You can't know.

00:56:25.520 All you can know is a secret group of people can make whatever they want go missing and you can't know what it is.

00:56:32.960 It's all secret.

00:56:34.160 So, I'm looking at half the cake, but I don't know what part of the cake is missing.

00:56:41.740 So, it's meaningless.

00:56:43.920 You don't even know if it is half.

00:56:45.620 Right.

00:56:46.200 I don't.

00:56:47.300 It's, you know, it has reached a level of absurdity where, but the absurd thing is as a legal matter to take the position that an administrative policy agreed upon by the Uniparty.

00:57:03.020 Uniparty can overrule the Constitution, can overrule the laws, and can overrule the regulations simply by, you know, like, you know, you wave the wand and suddenly magically law doesn't matter.

00:57:19.820 I mean, now you're talking, and you also saw this in the financial crisis.

00:57:25.340 A decision was made by Eric Holder in the Department of Justice to not prosecute HSBC.

00:57:30.560 There's a wonderful video on the Best Evidence channel by John Titus about this whole thing.

00:57:37.000 And basically, what they said is a systemically important – this is under the BIS.

00:57:44.240 There's a definition under the BIS, under the Financial Stability Board, of a financially systemically important institution.

00:57:52.020 Right.

00:57:52.880 These institutions are free to break the law with no – they're free to break the law.

00:58:00.540 At most, all they have to do is kick back a piece of the profits to the Department of Justice.

00:58:04.620 So it's like a formal kickback system.

00:58:07.180 And what you're saying is that you're taking the sovereign immunity of the BIS and through the New York Fed, extending it to the banks that are running these operations.

00:58:16.800 J.P. Morgan and the rest, Bank of America, yeah.

00:58:19.260 Right.

00:58:20.120 So what you've done with the BIS, the IMF, the World Bank, the UN, you've created all these different organizations.

00:58:30.520 And if you look at – we did like 40 in Latin America.

00:58:33.640 You've created an international overlay of organizations that have various forms of sovereign immunity.

00:58:40.500 Of course, the big one being the BIS.

00:58:42.460 And so if they are free to break the law – I mean, if you look at the financial crisis, what you're saying is these companies can lose trillions of dollars, have it replaced by the taxpayer, and keep on going.

00:58:56.460 So now is the point of the conversation where I have to ask the obvious question, which is, who are these people?

00:59:03.060 So can you name some of the people who you believe are making these decisions, whose decisions are effectively, as you just said, above the law, have effective immunity?

00:59:13.300 Right.

00:59:13.720 So that's the question, sort of who is Mr. Global?

00:59:16.800 Yeah.

00:59:16.920 And my experience is the bureaucracy that sort of runs things is the central banking bureaucracy.

00:59:23.720 So we've described the BIS and the central bankers.

00:59:26.400 So think of the planet as a house.

00:59:29.180 So you have the house.

00:59:31.260 Then you have financing the house.

00:59:32.900 That's the mortgage.

00:59:34.400 Then you have the insurance.

00:59:35.980 And you know if you don't have the insurance, then you have the equity in the house, right?

00:59:40.720 And the insurance layer is very, very important to make sure that the equity is protected, right?

00:59:47.860 Okay.

00:59:48.540 So you've got the real assets.

00:59:49.920 You've got the banking system.

00:59:51.820 You've got the insurance system.

00:59:53.120 And then you've got the owners.

00:59:55.760 So in my experience, if you go to the BIS and you look at the systemically important institutions and the members, you know, that's the bureaucracy that runs the debt and the transaction system.

01:00:06.700 So the, you know, the transactions, because the whole thing depends on being able to swap and transact.

01:00:15.080 The insurance group is very important for the reasons you just described, same as on your house.

01:00:19.940 And then the question is, who are the real owners?

01:00:22.620 And that's the mystery.

01:00:24.220 And I've spent my whole life trying to figure out who are the real owners.

01:00:27.200 And basically, from what experience I've had, if you know their name, they're not one of the important owners.

01:00:36.680 Do you know what I mean?

01:00:37.420 It's intergenerational pools of capital.

01:00:40.460 Now, here's what's interesting.

01:00:42.020 One of the most powerful pools of intergenerational capital that I've ever dealt with is the Harvard Endowment.

01:00:48.980 And if you look at the squabble going on over who controls the Harvard Endowment right now, it's a very interesting squabble.

01:00:56.160 Can you summarize that?

01:00:59.260 Well, you have the Trump administration and the Department of Justice now in a lawsuit with Harvard over who has what powers over Harvard's policies.

01:01:11.900 But I think the big fight is not the, you know, in asymmetrical warfare, the fight is never what the fight's really about.

01:01:19.900 The real fight is about who controls the, so Harvard Corporation, the university is only a portion of the Harvard Corporation.

01:01:32.740 The Harvard Corporation runs the university and it runs the endowment.

01:01:36.760 Okay, and the Harvard Corporation, in my experience, is one of the most important investment syndicates in the world.

01:01:43.440 And because they have a tax exemption, they don't have to pay taxes.

01:01:47.440 They spin off, I think the last time I looked, I don't know what it is currently, but they spin off about 4% a year for the university, which is a lot cheaper than paying taxes.

01:01:56.660 And it's a great investment because the university provides all sorts of intellectual and human capital to the investment syndicate.

01:02:04.040 You know, so it's a very brilliant, elegant model.

01:02:07.720 And my theory is it was the model that was really created to sort of compete with the Vatican and the Catholics who had 2,000 years of, you know, diplomatic immunity and no taxes. 0.73

01:02:19.120 Anyway, so, but it is, the Harvard Corporation is run by a perpetuating board.

01:02:26.600 So, the board members, if board member leaves, they pick a new board member.

01:02:30.640 So, it's a self-perpetuating board.

01:02:33.480 And my guess is behind the scenes, if there's a fight, one of the fight is who gets on that board because then you control a $50 billion plus endowment.

01:02:42.500 And a $50 billion plus endowment, which now has a 39% private equity portfolio.

01:02:50.380 And these are, you know, I said to, on Money in Markets, which is our weekly show, I said the other week, you know, if this is a monopoly board, that would be part place.

01:02:58.740 Because it's such a flagship in the world of investment.

01:03:02.180 It's such a major leader.

01:03:04.820 What would happen if the Congress decided to the new tax bill to tax university endowments?

01:03:12.500 Which they should do.

01:03:14.800 I don't know.

01:03:16.380 Because that will happen at the same time something else is going to happen.

01:03:23.180 And these things are going to happen at the same time.

01:03:25.780 The thing that's going to rock the universities is if you look at how much money it cost you as a father to put one child through college, you know, you're talking about enormous bills.

01:03:42.500 And if you look at how far the universities have gotten away from providing a great education, it's not a good investment.

01:03:53.180 So when I was an investment advisor, I used to work with my clients' kids and we would literally do something.

01:04:02.000 We have a learning plan on Soleri now that came out of this.

01:04:05.140 I would literally make them price time and money for each course they took by course.

01:04:13.060 And I would basically make them say, look, what do you want to do in this life and what are the skills and tools you need to do it?

01:04:20.700 And how are we going to go get those tools with the least amount of your time and the least amount of your parents' money?

01:04:27.780 How are we going to really?

01:04:28.780 And we would come up with these wild education plans where they would like, you know, go to San Francisco for this audio-video course and then they would be next year in Budapest studying at the university.

01:04:41.260 You know, because you want kids to learn about the world and you want them to be, you know, not provincial, stuck in.

01:04:51.160 You want them to be educated.

01:04:51.760 Yeah, you want them to be educated.

01:04:53.860 Anyway, but we would come up with these very creative things and what you discover is in a world of YouTube university and access to extraordinary, you know, resources all around the world to get a great education, the universities in the United States have gotten unbelievably bloated and unbelievably off track.

01:05:16.700 I think everyone senses that.

01:05:18.240 Right, and they're a terrible, if you're a loving parent, they're a terrible investment.

01:05:23.720 You love your children, you want your children to be successful.

01:05:26.580 If I want my child to be successful in the world we're going into, you know, whether it turns into a control grid or the control grid, as I believe, will fail, you know, you want them to have an outstanding education.

01:05:38.400 And I will tell you bluntly, the reason the unipolar model failed is because we don't have a culture that can field and manage a unipolar.

01:05:48.840 That's exactly right.

01:05:50.180 We don't have the human capital to run the world.

01:05:53.920 We don't have the human capital, but we're teaching our human capital to adopt a culture that cannot succeed. 1.00

01:06:00.720 Exactly right.

01:06:01.440 Right.

01:06:01.720 Right.

01:06:01.920 So if you're going to run the world, you need Eaton and Sandhurst to provide an administrative class that's tough, clear thinking, has a well-defined mission.

01:06:11.180 I don't start with that.

01:06:12.000 Start sacrificing.

01:06:12.960 You need Christianity. 0.99

01:06:14.040 Well, both of those, you know, certainly Eaton was a Christian school.

01:06:18.260 Right.

01:06:19.820 If you're going to be part of a project that is longer than a lifetime, then you have to understand that this is about, you know, at the root, this is about your immortal soul and your soul is immortal.

01:06:34.420 And that triggers a very different way of looking at the world and a very different way of thinking.

01:06:40.120 And then you have to be able to collaborate across time and space in very powerful ways.

01:06:45.780 That takes trust and faith.

01:06:47.640 You have to be agreement capable.

01:06:49.980 And you can't run a unipolar model, let alone a successful multipolar model, unless you're agreement capable.

01:06:57.240 So this is Lavrov's term.

01:06:59.100 And this is what the Russians understood. 0.99

01:07:01.020 And this is why they whooped our ass in Ukraine. 0.99

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01:08:56.080 Man, there's absolutely so much.

01:08:58.440 Let me just move back once again to something that you said about policymakers, the Congress, the central banks, the White House, giving up on the American model in the mid-90s when the budget deal failed.

01:09:12.480 I think you said it was 95, I vaguely remember that.

01:09:17.380 You know, this democratic system or whatever version of a democratic system we have, our system is incapable of self-perpetuating long-term.

01:09:26.380 It's just too dysfunctional.

01:09:27.420 And that's obviously true. 0.56

01:09:28.520 It's too corrupt.

01:09:29.340 It's too corrupt. 0.98

01:09:30.060 It's too corrupt.

01:09:30.620 It's clearly true.

01:09:31.620 Everyone senses that.

01:09:33.460 This isn't working.

01:09:34.500 We're going to get a new system.

01:09:35.920 They figured that out 30 years ago.

01:09:37.600 So, the one kind of brick wall that is looming right in the windshield is the debt meltdown.

01:09:43.980 I mean, Ray Dalio talks about it every single day.

01:09:45.840 Like, we have too much debt.

01:09:47.720 People are going to stop buying our debt because it's clearly a bad deal.

01:09:52.000 And, like, what happens then?

01:09:53.480 And you suggested the control grid is in part designed to manage the population during that moment, maybe?

01:10:00.020 Yeah, in part.

01:10:01.220 Yeah, so if you want to move people to a much lower economic footprint, let alone do it on a shocking basis, having complete control is obviously very convenient.

01:10:12.260 Okay, so the bottom line is everybody's about to get a lot poorer.

01:10:14.940 Not everybody, but the majority is about to get a lot poorer.

01:10:18.920 Depends on how they do that.

01:10:20.280 If you bring out breakthrough energy, you can soften the blow.

01:10:23.380 There are many things you can do to soften the blow.

01:10:25.980 It doesn't have to be like Russia in 90 and 91.

01:10:28.980 That's exactly what I was thinking.

01:10:30.340 It doesn't have to be.

01:10:31.200 Can they do it that way?

01:10:32.300 Yes.

01:10:33.480 So it comes down to who governs and do they want to do it?

01:10:38.240 You know, one of my favorite lines is from Tina Turner.

01:10:40.500 She says, we can do this nice or rough.

01:10:43.200 Yeah.

01:10:43.660 And we could do it nice and we can do it rough.

01:10:46.500 There are ways of doing the control grid nice and we can do it rough.

01:10:50.560 And what are they planning?

01:10:51.860 I don't know.

01:10:52.520 To a certain extent, remember, in my experience, the way they govern is they have targets and goals.

01:10:59.200 And then, you know, you sort of make it up as you go.

01:11:02.740 And sometimes it works and it's very fluid.

01:11:04.740 So I wonder if the AI, if the data center boom, which really is the only sort of crackling, sparkling piece of the real estate market right now.

01:11:12.980 I think it's building data centers, development market.

01:11:14.760 Just call them control grids.

01:11:17.700 Control grids.

01:11:18.300 Control.

01:11:18.600 I mean, look.

01:11:19.180 They're control nodes.

01:11:20.300 I'm totally opposed to it.

01:11:21.740 But massive bets, economic bets on the success of AI, right?

01:11:26.800 And the missing piece is energy.

01:11:28.940 And how do you power all that?

01:11:30.580 And we're already, as you pointed out in an analysis I read.

01:11:33.160 You have to bring out the breakthrough energy.

01:11:35.000 That's what I'm saying. 0.98

01:11:36.000 So, like, either they're going to build it on coal deposits in Wyoming or, which is going to be kind of hard because they're going to have to say all that climate stuff we've been yelling at you about for 30 years is total bullshit. 0.96

01:11:47.420 Now we're burning coal. 0.85

01:11:48.720 I don't know if they can.

01:11:49.200 Well, there was just an article in Bloomberg that Texas needs 30 new nuclear plants.

01:11:53.500 And the Chinese are building enormous numbers of nuclear plants.

01:11:57.080 Yeah.

01:11:57.340 And there are risks in nuclear.

01:11:58.440 I mean, I'm a right winger and I've always defended nuclear.

01:12:00.820 But let's be totally honest.

01:12:02.040 Like, it's not risk-free big time.

01:12:03.440 Well, here's the thing.

01:12:04.380 How do you govern and manage nuclear plants with leadership that's not agreement capable?

01:12:10.700 Completely.

01:12:11.440 And also, like, in a country that's not turning out enough people in the heart, not enough engineers.

01:12:17.220 Right.

01:12:18.120 So, no, there are huge problems with that.

01:12:21.540 But that's, like, that question is being forced on policymakers.

01:12:25.200 Like, what do you do about energy?

01:12:26.320 What do you do about energy?

01:12:27.300 And wind and solar, like, we're going to be laughing about that in five years because it's just silly.

01:12:31.540 Well, one of the things you can do about energy is depopulate.

01:12:36.500 Right.

01:12:37.300 Right.

01:12:38.420 And I know for a fact, I'm not guessing at this, that there are people running countries around the world who've thought about, like, what does AI mean for my population?

01:12:46.420 It means I've got too many people.

01:12:47.820 So, this is something, I know this for a fact, I'm not guessing, that leaders of countries are talking about between each other.

01:12:54.780 Like, I know that.

01:12:56.060 And I'm not saying they're committing genocide or whatever, but they know that they're about to be far fewer people.

01:13:01.300 They're just looking at hard statistics.

01:13:02.380 They are.

01:13:02.860 That's exactly right.

01:13:04.060 So, there's another thing that I don't understand very well.

01:13:08.280 I've just listened to people.

01:13:09.840 But if you listen to Sean Parker saying, I'm going to live to 145, or there's an interview where the president's son-in-law says, you know, we're going to be the last generation to die or the first generation to live forever.

01:13:24.020 So, you clearly have a group of people biohacking who think they can engage in massive longevity.

01:13:31.220 It makes me want to start smoking again.

01:13:32.960 I'm just being honest.

01:13:33.920 I don't want to be, I just want to move, I want to pivot away from that level of soul-destroying hubris.

01:13:39.420 Right.

01:13:39.640 Because that's what that is.

01:13:40.460 I'm God.

01:13:41.240 No, you're not.

01:13:42.020 And you're going to find out the hard way that you're not.

01:13:43.960 Right.

01:13:44.160 So, it does make me want to smoke.

01:13:45.420 Right, but what I'm saying is, if you truly believe you can do that, and you're not going to allow the general population to do it for environmental reasons, then you would be for depopulation.

01:13:56.240 Of course.

01:13:56.820 Right.

01:13:57.040 That's totally true.

01:13:58.320 So, this is, again, Farfield, do you think there's evidence that people will be living to 145?

01:14:02.760 I have no idea.

01:14:03.800 I don't either.

01:14:04.420 I don't really care.

01:14:05.240 In other words, there's a whole set of scenarios I don't care about.

01:14:09.100 I'm interested in freedom, and I believe that the only way we can be free is through a culture that embraces the divine and builds true wealth, enduring wealth, and living wealth, not just financial wealth.

01:14:26.780 What is true wealth?

01:14:28.040 True wealth, well, you know, because I would say you're truly wealthy.

01:14:33.740 I feel I am.

01:14:34.700 Right.

01:14:35.500 I don't have that much money, but I feel that way.

01:14:37.520 Well, it's an integration of living equity with financial equity, and what I learned being a financial advisor is that everyone had been taught to build financial equity, and they couldn't integrate it with living equity.

01:14:51.540 So, you'd work with somebody who's, you know, worth millions of dollars who said they couldn't afford organic food.

01:14:57.340 I was like, are you crazy?

01:14:58.400 Really, you know, the number one thing that causes a diminution of family wealth is health problems and, you know, health care fraud and health care bankruptcy.

01:15:09.920 It's like, you know, please take a million dollars out of your bank account and start investing in really building, you know, doing everything you and your family need to be really healthy, you know, to have perfect water, to have great food, etc.

01:15:24.840 The other thing I discovered was, you know, everybody was trying to put their money in the national security state instead of helping their kids buy homes and integrating with, you know, building the living equity.

01:15:37.880 So, my mother's family were Quakers, and you didn't even think about buying stock until you sent all your kids to the best Quaker schools.

01:15:45.600 You know, that was like, that was first.

01:15:47.260 So, you think it's a, you're dropping so much here, I'm just trying to pause, like tease out certain themes, but you think it's wiser, you know, if you have children and you care about them to help them buy homes than it is to.

01:15:59.740 Absolutely.

01:16:01.900 Who's, so can I, there are two stories I'm dying to tell you.

01:16:05.740 Please.

01:16:06.260 Okay.

01:16:07.260 During the litigation, you know, you get in the situation.

01:16:10.840 What litigation?

01:16:11.300 So, I litigated with the Department of Justice for 11 years, or actually, it was, it was, some of that was fisticuffing with the tax guys, but anyway, so, so I had the sort of enemy of the state process of, I had 18 audits and investigations, 12 tracks of litigation, a smear campaign, and physical harassment.

01:16:35.020 So, they didn't like what you were saying?

01:16:36.100 So, they didn't like the idea that I would try and stop the mortgage bubble.

01:16:39.800 They really wanted to have a mortgage bubble.

01:16:42.240 And, and we were doing things to bring disclosure to, to play, it's called place-based financials.

01:16:49.660 I really believed that if local communities could see how all the money worked in their neighborhood, that we could change things.

01:16:58.520 So, for example, I would constantly, when I was at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, I would find neighborhoods where we were spending $250,000 per unit to build public housing, and $50,000 would buy and rehab a defaulted, a foreclosed property in the FHA inventory.

01:17:19.540 And so, literally, if you could just, within a four or 10-block area, you know, take that $250,000 and, and, and spend it in the way that was the most efficient in that place, you could get four or five homes for the price of one.

01:17:34.100 And it was really amazing.

01:17:35.360 When I took those numbers, we did all sorts of due diligence.

01:17:38.860 This is when I was a contractor, to the woman who worked for the guy who ran the $250,000 program.

01:17:47.200 And I showed it to her and I said, look, we could, you know, New Orleans, Chicago, LA, we could get four or five homes for the price of one.

01:17:54.980 And she turned bright red and she said, but how would we generate fees for our friends?

01:17:59.960 Right.

01:18:00.220 Or how would we, you know, pay off foreign countries who flood our, our political system with donations if, you know, if we're actually spending it to like build nice houses for Americans, like repair Redding, Pennsylvania, we could be spending it in wherever, disgusting Middle Eastern place. 0.98

01:18:15.520 So, so if you look at place-based financial statements, there's extraordinary opportunity to just re-engineer what's already there.

01:18:22.600 Yeah, of course.

01:18:23.320 Without taking money from anybody else and, and making it.

01:18:26.740 So I really thought if you, if you create, so we created a software tool called Community Wizard that would allow everybody on the internet to just come and download the data and start looking at how the money worked in their places in a way that you could see real opportunities.

01:18:39.620 Okay, so let me tell you two stories.

01:18:42.060 The, the, the litigation starts and literally you go from being very wealthy and very trusted and very respected to being an enemy of the state.

01:18:54.120 No one will talk to you, nobody will answer your phone.

01:18:55.960 And, and suddenly all your income stops, all your income stops, your credit stops, you're just frozen.

01:19:03.100 And by yours, you mean yours.

01:19:04.500 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:05.500 So, so, so anyway, so, you know, you, you have the assets that you have.

01:19:10.780 Luckily, they never turned off my bank account, so I was lucky that way.

01:19:14.120 But one of the things that happened was they started, I had had a farm in New Hampshire and I sold my share to my uncle and a wonderful and very wealthy uncle who was like the patriarch.

01:19:26.000 And, and, and he bought my, and I warned him, if you buy this, you know, they may come after you too.

01:19:33.200 And he was a very standup guy, very fearless.

01:19:36.240 And he said, you know, I'll deal with that.

01:19:37.820 So sure enough, I sell him the farmland.

01:19:41.100 They call him and they say, you know, your niece is a criminal and you shouldn't be doing this, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:19:46.660 And, and they said, we want the financial records from the farm.

01:19:53.080 We want all the financial records of the farm.

01:19:55.740 And he said, well, send me a letter so I can give it to my lawyer and I'm happy to send them to you.

01:20:00.640 So they, you know, and this is the summer farm where all the family goes.

01:20:04.220 Anyway, so, so instead of sending him a letter, they show up at his house in Portsmouth, New Hampshire at 9 p.m. at night, three FBI guys and a HUD IG guy with a subpoena.

01:20:18.920 And it was designed to scare him.

01:20:20.620 So the family had a big powwow.

01:20:23.860 Should they drop me because they don't want to be targeted?

01:20:26.640 And, and he said, well, you know, she always helped us.

01:20:34.020 So it turned out, I counted it up.

01:20:37.220 At that point, I had lent or given to family and friends $250,000.

01:20:43.440 Just, I made a lot of money.

01:20:45.700 I loved making money and people needed help.

01:20:48.480 And that's what money's for.

01:20:49.940 So that is what, to restate, that is what money is for.

01:20:52.880 So I just always, I hadn't even thought about it.

01:20:55.400 By the way, your average, like 23-year-old NBA player who's floating all of his cousins and single mom, he understands that better than your average rich person.

01:21:04.220 Your obligation is to your family and including with money.

01:21:07.460 Sorry.

01:21:08.240 Right.

01:21:08.480 Some of us are lucky, some not.

01:21:09.840 Amen.

01:21:10.640 Right.

01:21:11.360 So, so he said she helped everyone.

01:21:15.340 So I'm going to help her.

01:21:18.000 And it took 11 years, but at the very, no, it was 2006.

01:21:22.320 So that was about nine years.

01:21:25.740 At the end of the process, when I won the litigation, I got, we got money coming in.

01:21:32.700 I sat down to either repay everybody who loaned me or gifted me money and, or almost everybody.

01:21:39.540 Some had just gifted.

01:21:40.320 And I, I counted it up.

01:21:43.420 And what I realized is I had come into the litigation having loaned a quarter of a million.

01:21:48.700 And then over the next nine years, exactly a quarter of a million had come back.

01:21:55.580 And it, it wasn't tit for tat.

01:21:57.400 I mean, it was different people, different thing.

01:21:59.700 You know, some had gotten said, well, I guess she needs it back and repaid it.

01:22:03.160 Or some had just gifted it because they knew I'd gifted.

01:22:05.720 And literally I put a quarter of a million out and a quarter of a million came back.

01:22:11.040 And Tucker, if it wasn't for that money, I wouldn't be here.

01:22:13.360 I would never have made it through.

01:22:15.860 And it was because it was in the people bank and they couldn't shut the people bank off.

01:22:21.200 You know, they could, they could do all sorts of things to shut off all, all sorts of resources and income.

01:22:26.420 But if it's in the people bank and the people you love and trust, you know, it comes back.

01:22:32.200 So when.

01:22:32.700 I love that.

01:22:33.820 Yeah, it's great.

01:22:34.840 So when I finished, when I finished the litigation, I had had a 401k that I'd had to bust.

01:22:41.340 It had 500,000 in it.

01:22:43.520 I paid 225,000 in fines and taxes to get it out.

01:22:48.280 Well, I don't think they thought I, they put my 401k under audit so I couldn't use it to finance the business.

01:22:54.780 It was dirty tricks.

01:22:56.320 Anyway, so, so I take the money out.

01:22:59.120 So my accountant, when we get the settlement money, she said, let's fund up the 401k.

01:23:04.840 I said, no, I'm never going into business with the U.S. government again.

01:23:08.500 No way.

01:23:08.940 I don't, I don't want any of those vehicles.

01:23:11.280 I'm, I'm out.

01:23:11.860 And I said, but the other thing is I'm taking that 500,000 and I'm bonusing it out on the people bank.

01:23:19.160 And I'm going to start a new business and I think that business will be successful.

01:23:23.180 So I don't need that 500,000.

01:23:24.960 It'd be nice, but I don't need it.

01:23:26.680 But I need to get that money back, that people bank, because that is the only bank in this world I trust.

01:23:32.060 And so.

01:23:32.360 So, you know.

01:23:33.140 Ah, that's like a beautiful story.

01:23:35.640 Well, here's the question.

01:23:38.040 And I used to always say this with my clients.

01:23:41.120 Who's going to be there for you?

01:23:43.880 Right?

01:23:44.320 Who's going to be there for you?

01:23:45.960 That, that's the people bank.

01:23:47.820 And you want to invest in the people bank.

01:23:49.800 Now, it may not be money.

01:23:50.840 It may be time.

01:23:52.000 It may be help.

01:23:53.040 It may be.

01:23:54.400 There's a wonderful book called Family Wealth by a guy named James Hughes.

01:23:58.200 I don't know if you've ever heard of it or seen it.

01:24:00.380 And basically what he does, my great uncle didn't like the book so much.

01:24:04.960 He said, you're trying to turn our family into a corporation. 0.54

01:24:07.240 I said, no, I'm not.

01:24:08.360 But it basically teaches a family how to conspire together.

01:24:11.400 It basically have a dinner once a month or once whatever and talk about what's in your heart to do.

01:24:18.720 You know, this person wants to do this.

01:24:20.920 This person wants to do this.

01:24:22.380 Some things make money.

01:24:23.260 Some things don't.

01:24:25.120 But, but, but help each other be successful at whatever your passion is.

01:24:29.760 And, and work as a family, you know, I always, at Solary, we say, don't worry about if there is a conspiracy.

01:24:35.560 If you're not in one, you need to start one.

01:24:38.280 And a great family should be a, a conspiracy where you're trying to help each other succeed.

01:24:43.520 I love that.

01:24:45.180 Yeah.

01:24:45.900 I mean, these are ancient and with respect, very obvious points.

01:24:51.040 Exactly.

01:24:51.440 But I, I don't think I've heard someone say them in a long time.

01:24:55.540 Well, but if we're going to build a successful culture, that culture has to be good at building wealth, living wealth and financial wealth, both on an integrated basis.

01:25:06.880 So if you come to Solary, we have a curriculum called building wealth.

01:25:10.500 And it has six pillars.

01:25:12.340 And we organize all of our content into and around building wealth.

01:25:17.220 And because it's, it's part of what you have to build to build a culture that can really be part of real solutions.

01:25:25.680 So the, the first pillar is free and inspired life.

01:25:28.940 And so, you know, our theory is you have a goal, you have a relationship with the creator and you decide, you know, what's, what's your free and inspired life?

01:25:38.400 Everybody's, everybody's, everybody's unique.

01:25:41.180 And in a decentralized world, everybody is unique.

01:25:44.260 You, you know, there's no, there's no formula, so to speak.

01:25:49.320 The second one is navigation tools.

01:25:51.380 And that's where people get burnt.

01:25:53.660 So we say in navigation tools, there's an official reality and then there's reality.

01:25:58.140 And you need to know both.

01:26:00.460 And reality is for the management of your time and money.

01:26:02.900 And the official reality is for the cocktail party.

01:26:05.400 And you need to not get those.

01:26:07.240 Don't use the official reality to manage your time and money because then you're going to get, I mean, I clean so many people up from financial fraud and healthcare fraud because they believe the official reality.

01:26:18.380 So you, you can't do that.

01:26:19.960 The third is risk management because in this kind of dangerous environment, everything's about keeping your risk down.

01:26:26.900 And that's more important than making money.

01:26:29.900 It's more important to lower risk than make money.

01:26:33.140 So in a, in a, in a well-governed world, we'd all be, you know, focused on outside.

01:26:38.360 On growth.

01:26:39.060 But now we're just.

01:26:39.840 We've got to be focused on risk.

01:26:41.720 Preventing loss.

01:26:42.580 Right.

01:26:43.140 And then the fourth is living equity.

01:26:45.460 And that's all living things.

01:26:47.840 That's people, that's family, that's culture, that's education, you know, all the things that go into that.

01:26:54.260 And then financial equity, all the things, you know.

01:26:57.880 And then the last one is to me the most important.

01:27:00.980 It's called Turtle Forth.

01:27:02.340 So did you get the hat, the Turtle Forth hat?

01:27:05.000 I did, yeah.

01:27:05.620 Right.

01:27:06.060 Okay.

01:27:06.380 Turtle Forth is about never quitting.

01:27:08.980 You must never, ever quit.

01:27:12.020 And the whole goal of the people who are trying to centralize is to get you to think it's hopeless.

01:27:19.260 Hopelessness and John Rappaport used to always say, hopelessness is an op and it's planet wide.

01:27:28.120 Well, because I am, I am actually struck by, well, by everything that you've said.

01:27:33.860 I think this could be like a nine hour conversation if we let it, but.

01:27:37.560 I have one more story.

01:27:38.940 But I am struck also by your tone.

01:27:42.020 I don't think I've ever heard someone describe dark deeds with more cheerfulness.

01:27:47.500 Like, how do you, how do you not go crazy?

01:27:49.520 So you have to keep a state of amusement.

01:27:51.760 I mean, it's, I really, you know, I, one of the most breakthrough moments for me in the last 20 years was when I, I realized that it was okay to be happy no matter what was going on.

01:28:05.420 And sometimes you can't be, it's so horrible what's going on, but I'll tell you exactly when it happened.

01:28:11.020 I had a wonderful church where I studied spiritual warfare for two and a half years at the beginning of the litigation.

01:28:16.800 And it was that training that saved my life.

01:28:20.680 And, but I was at a sermon and there was a co-pastor who had very long fingernails.

01:28:25.440 And she was very angry and she was shaking her hands with her long fingernails.

01:28:31.600 And, you know, sometimes when you're in a big church and they point right at you and she said, she said, she said, the devil can have my house and the devil can have my car, but the devil cannot have my joy.

01:28:43.900 And it was like, I exploded in my head and I said, that's it.

01:28:49.220 That is it.

01:28:50.140 That is it.

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01:29:50.660 So it's a conscious decision not to allow that joy to be stolen from you.

01:29:54.740 Right.

01:29:55.080 And sometimes it's hard.

01:29:56.760 Did you ever see the never-ending story, the movie, the never-ending story?

01:30:00.780 Read the book.

01:30:02.000 So it's a wonderful child's story where the child is the protagonist and he's fighting a force in the universe called the nothing.

01:30:11.840 And the nothing is running around the universe sucking meaning out of everything.

01:30:16.980 And it's hard when you're dealing.

01:30:19.040 And if you look at this digital control, it comes with an energy that's very demonic and sucking meaning out of everything.

01:30:27.060 And they're very good.

01:30:28.460 They're masterful at turning, you know, turning allies against each other.

01:30:31.920 The divide and conquer thing is really heartbreaking.

01:30:33.900 It's happening right now on the right.

01:30:35.560 It's heartbreaking.

01:30:36.620 And so you're up against the nothing.

01:30:39.580 And so sometimes we'll come together in a team meeting and somebody will say, I've lost my state of amusement.

01:30:48.620 And then the team's job is to help them to get it back.

01:30:51.320 I've lost my state of amusement.

01:30:53.120 I've lost my state of amusement.

01:30:55.300 And it happens.

01:30:56.660 I can't, you know.

01:30:57.940 But it is, I think of myself where, you know, I've had my amusement taken from me a number of times.

01:31:03.900 But I always think to myself, like, if you're perennially shocked by evil in the world, like, you're a child. 1.00

01:31:11.200 You're an idiot. 1.00

01:31:11.820 Like, what did you think this was? 1.00

01:31:13.180 Like, don't be naive.

01:31:14.800 There's a lot of evil in the world.

01:31:16.220 There always has been.

01:31:17.280 Don't be shocked by it.

01:31:18.640 Laugh in its face.

01:31:19.960 You're always going to be shocked by it.

01:31:21.960 Oh, I am.

01:31:22.620 You're always going to be shocked by it.

01:31:24.140 I'll tell you why you're going to be shocked by it.

01:31:25.760 If you understand, if you understand love, you can't fathom why anyone would reject that.

01:31:40.980 Yes. 1.00

01:31:41.880 And embrace evil because it's so stupid. 1.00

01:31:45.840 It's so wasteful. 1.00

01:31:47.340 It's so, as my mother used to say, it's so unnecessary, you know.

01:31:52.080 It's just like, it's, you just can't fathom why anybody would do it.

01:32:00.080 I, you know, I watch the folks who are in the financial system who are deeply corrupt and just constantly take and take and take, you know, the plunder team.

01:32:13.480 And I think, how is that, to me, what they're doing is not fun.

01:32:18.780 I love, you know.

01:32:20.280 It's not fun.

01:32:21.100 It's not fun.

01:32:22.340 When, when, so I will tell you, I would, my gift, everybody has a gift.

01:32:26.720 My gift was an investment back.

01:32:28.140 I was absolutely fantastic.

01:32:30.160 I was just really, really good at it.

01:32:32.040 And the heartbreak for me was when I got, had to leave the establishment, I lost the ability.

01:32:37.900 You know, it's like a painter and you lose your ability to paint.

01:32:40.780 You can't get access to colors anymore.

01:32:43.280 So, but I loved it.

01:32:45.120 And when you do it in the right way, two plus two equals 20.

01:32:50.400 And it's so exciting.

01:32:51.680 Yes.

01:32:51.900 It's the best feeling in the world.

01:32:53.680 It's like.

01:32:54.680 Oh, I've lived it.

01:32:55.440 Yeah, so when Van Gogh, it's my theory when Van Gogh finished a painting that, it's like, pow, it's like, wow, you know, it's great.

01:33:04.360 And, and you watch these guys do the fraud and destroy, you know, all the mortgage fraud and it destroys neighborhoods and it destroys family.

01:33:13.140 And it's just, it's just, it's like a lose, lose, lose.

01:33:16.380 And you think, that's no fun.

01:33:19.880 No, and, and they're not happy.

01:33:21.720 He, I know a number of them and I had a conversation with Ray Dalio, who I do like.

01:33:28.240 I don't agree with him and everything, but I do like Ray Dalio and he's got more perspective on life.

01:33:32.420 He had lost a child.

01:33:33.540 I think he was forced to kind of think through what matters. 0.82

01:33:36.680 And I asked him off camera recently, like, do you know, I know a lot of miserable billionaires.

01:33:41.200 I know a couple of happy billionaires, but how many happy billionaires do you know?

01:33:45.040 And he's like, I know a few, like I'm, I'm actually pretty happy, but not that many.

01:33:49.400 And that's a tell.

01:33:50.800 Right.

01:33:50.980 That's a tell.

01:33:51.860 And I will tell you the debt is a symptom.

01:33:55.520 It's not the problem.

01:33:56.700 What's a symptom?

01:33:57.440 The debt.

01:33:58.360 Yeah.

01:33:58.620 The debt, the country's debt.

01:33:59.680 The debt is a simple, yeah, it, when there was 21 trillion missing as of 2015, when we published

01:34:09.280 that study in 2017, there was 21 trillion of debt.

01:34:12.640 Now, first of all, remember the treasury can just issue currency.

01:34:16.080 They don't need debt to create the currency.

01:34:19.080 And in fact, I would say historically, the greatest currencies are fiat currencies that

01:34:23.460 are not debt based.

01:34:24.420 So our problem is the debt basing.

01:34:27.040 But, but let's just grossly oversimplify and talk about what that means with the 21 trillion.

01:34:33.380 So the treasury sells pension, sells treasury bonds to our pension funds, moves 21 trillion into the bank accounts at the New York Fed member banks for the treasury.

01:34:45.420 They're the depository.

01:34:47.420 And then the 21 trillion disappears out of the back door.

01:34:50.100 So it's just a straw that's sucking our pension fund money into, I call it the breakaway civilization.

01:35:01.560 And meantime, we as taxpayers are now obligated to pay the debt into that we owe our pension funds and the money is gone.

01:35:10.440 Why do you call it the breakaway civilization?

01:35:11.940 Breakaway civilization was a term made famous by Richard Dolan.

01:35:16.400 And it simply described a decision to create a parallel system.

01:35:24.140 You know, first it started with the black budget, but it grew, you know, call it the national security state.

01:35:29.120 But, but, but to build a civilization that literally was separate and not subject to the laws of the existing one.

01:35:36.440 So if I'm running a company and I want to bring up new systems, I'll bring up the new systems while I'm running the old and I'll run them in parallel and I'll move things over slowly.

01:35:46.300 And then at some point I bring the current thing down.

01:35:49.280 And to me, that's what the financial coup was.

01:35:51.440 You're moving the money out of one system and, and putting it in another.

01:35:55.160 So in theory, 21 trillion is enough at a 5%, you know, interest rate to basically finance a, a private government, if you will.

01:36:07.380 Right.

01:36:07.800 I'm not saying that's what happened, but in theory.

01:36:11.540 Do you think it did?

01:36:12.720 So when I was at HUD in 1989, it was 80, late 89 or early 90, I was in a meeting with the secretary and we had brought all the regional administrators in for a meeting with the secretary.

01:36:28.740 And, um, um, he was very upset because the regional administrator from California had implemented something in response to a court decision.

01:36:38.440 There was a court case in the court of appeals and they decided, okay, you got to go to the right.

01:36:43.980 And so he had implemented that.

01:36:46.360 And, um, the secretary was having literally like a manic episode, screaming, a huge temper tantrum, screaming at him. 0.99

01:36:54.820 And finally, this guy said, but Mr. Secretary, it's the law.

01:37:00.280 And he just exploded with fury.

01:37:03.380 And he said, the law, the law, I don't have to obey the law.

01:37:07.880 I report to a higher moral authority.

01:37:10.220 And just at that moment, it was like, remember the scene in Eyes Wide Shut when you first walk in on the, you know, the secret society doing their occult ritual?

01:37:21.560 You know, you had this image of, oh, you know, he literally, he doesn't have to obey the laws of the United States.

01:37:29.880 He's operating under a different governance structure.

01:37:32.960 People feel that way.

01:37:34.000 Right.

01:37:34.640 And that, you know, there, there are many, um, there's a very famous story of Lincoln, um, when he's talking about his, what he wants to do to implement the reconstruction policies.

01:37:48.500 And he tells a story about a young child saying, you know, if I throw the fish back, dad will get mad at me.

01:37:57.500 But if I, um, if I, uh, if it slips from my hand accidentally and you grab it, then dad won't be mad at me.

01:38:07.240 And the implication of the story is that Lincoln has a dad that he, he can't buck.

01:38:14.460 And, and, you know, we're back to the question, who's dad?

01:38:17.540 It's the same question as who's Mr. Global.

01:38:19.840 And you've never gotten closer to the answer or you've never settled on an answer.

01:38:26.140 I, here's my guess.

01:38:28.880 So we did, I once did a two hour interview on the Solary Report on who is Mr. Global, where we go through all the different theories.

01:38:34.920 So I think literally you have intergenerational pools of capital, which meet and work by consensus.

01:38:43.680 You know, it's a committee system and they do have a set of rules.

01:38:47.560 And what I don't understand, I think their challenge is their risk managers.

01:38:53.780 And they're, they're constantly pulling out a lot of money and they always need to get that dividend.

01:39:00.260 And the question is, why do they need the dividend?

01:39:02.300 Where's the money going?

01:39:03.240 Because they're constantly running the financial system to extract extra money.

01:39:09.340 There's always disappearing money.

01:39:11.100 And the question is, why and where's it going?

01:39:13.740 And you think it's going to infrastructure projects?

01:39:16.860 I think it's going to infrastructure projects.

01:39:19.260 I think it's going to big investments like, you know, building the control grid is a big one.

01:39:24.420 And one of my questions on the financial coup is, are they literally setting up an endowment so they can run, you know, the world on a global governance that's a dictatorship with an endowment?

01:39:36.880 So it's the, you know, it's, it's, it's a bigger endowment than anybody else's.

01:39:42.080 You said a couple minutes ago that the debt, the U.S. government's debt, which I think even people are not interested in this stuff, are aware that it's, it's, it's there and that it's a problem.

01:39:55.620 It's not the problem, it's a symptom.

01:39:58.420 What did, what did you mean?

01:39:59.980 We, if you look at our current model, it is not being run on an economic basis and it's getting much worse and it's getting worse steadily.

01:40:11.800 So let me give you an example.

01:40:13.820 Our military budget this year is approximately 850 billion and the president wants to take it or the secretary of defense is saying we've got to take it to a trillion.

01:40:25.320 Our HHS budget is 1.8 trillion.

01:40:30.840 Dr. Skidmore just did an analysis.

01:40:33.220 If we went back to 2010 levels of disability, we would lower that by half a trillion dollars.

01:40:39.880 Half a trillion?

01:40:40.560 Half a trillion.

01:40:41.800 So, America is, I call it the great poisoning.

01:40:45.940 We've poisoned ourselves and it's blowing the budget.

01:40:49.320 And it's not just blowing the budget of the federal government.

01:40:51.680 If you look at family budgets, it's blowing their budgets.

01:40:54.760 You know, poison people are not productive and their healthcare costs can be very expensive.

01:40:59.820 And you see that at the federal level and you see that at the state level, the local level and the family level.

01:41:05.340 That's got to be dealt with.

01:41:06.980 But, you know, if you look at the budget right now, its expenses are skyrocketing.

01:41:12.760 And it's skyrocketing because the fundamental model of what we do and how we do it, it helps to centralize, but it's not economic.

01:41:22.100 And so, you've got to change that.

01:41:24.360 Now, what we do and how we do it, do you mean how we live?

01:41:28.840 Right.

01:41:29.200 So, now I get to tell you my last story.

01:41:32.140 Okay?

01:41:33.680 I can't wait.

01:41:34.500 Okay, this is called the red button story.

01:41:39.280 And if you put my name in on the internet, you'll get, you know, a copy of this story.

01:41:44.000 Because it happened to me in 2000.

01:41:46.940 I was asked by a healthcare practitioner to give a presentation called How the Money Works on Organized Crime.

01:41:54.700 And it later became a very famous article called Narco Dollars for Beginners.

01:42:00.260 And it was meant to be a light, funny description of the intersection of organized crime flows with Washington and Wall Street.

01:42:08.640 So, my book, I have an online book called Dylan Reed and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits that is a case study that teaches people, it's designed to be like a business school's case study that shows you that intersection between illegal cash flows and Wall Street and Washington.

01:42:26.880 Anyway, so, I'm in the middle of the speech and I'm describing the congressional testimony on the Dark Alliance allegations that happened in 1998.

01:42:36.200 And at the time, I was helping a reporter do research and she was covering the hearings.

01:42:44.260 And a spokesperson for the Department of Justice told her, so, I'm in the middle of the speech and there are about 100 people.

01:42:52.020 And the conference where I'm speaking is a conference that happens once a year by this group.

01:43:00.660 And the focus is on how we evolve our society spiritually.

01:43:03.580 So, this is a very spiritually committed group of people who want to evolve our society spiritually.

01:43:08.980 Okay.

01:43:09.560 So, I'm describing the fact that a spokesperson for the Department of Justice told this reporter I was helping that the U.S. economy launders $500 billion to a trillion dollars a year of all illegal money.

01:43:23.600 So, that's narcotics trafficking, that's financial fraud, that's, you know, everything.

01:43:27.680 It's human trafficking. 0.66

01:43:28.680 And the number is now much, much bigger.

01:43:32.500 But they were describing the fact that the U.S. economy and financial system is the leader globally in laundering dirty money.

01:43:39.880 So, I said to this wonderful group of spiritually evolved people, what would happen if we stopped being the global leader in money laundering?

01:43:51.520 And we had a little conversation.

01:43:53.280 They said, well, you know, the money would leave the New York Stock Exchange and go to Singapore or Zurich or London.

01:43:59.800 And we might have trouble financing the government deficit because, you know, now we borrow over half of the money currently.

01:44:10.200 And so, we, you know, our taxes might go up or our government checks might stop.

01:44:15.600 So, I said, okay, let's pretend there's a big red button up here on the lectern.

01:44:18.960 And if you push that button, you can stop all hard narcotics trafficking in your town, your county, your state tomorrow, thus offending the people who control $500 billion to a trillion dollars a year of all dirty money in the accumulated capital thereon.

01:44:37.220 Who here will push the button?

01:44:38.940 And out of 100 people dedicated to evolving our society spiritually, guess how many would push the button?

01:44:44.140 I don't know.

01:44:45.160 One.

01:44:45.460 The other 99 would not push the button.

01:44:49.200 Wouldn't it keep all those kids from dying?

01:44:51.480 Yeah, it would.

01:44:52.840 So, wait.

01:44:53.440 So, I said to them, I said, why would you not push the button?

01:44:57.660 So, we had a little conversation.

01:44:58.940 They said, we don't want our taxes to go up.

01:45:01.040 We don't want our government checks to stop.

01:45:03.400 And we don't want our 401ks and IRAs to go down.

01:45:08.500 So, if I had voted, there would have been two pushing the red button.

01:45:11.620 So, what I discovered that day, the problem was that not that they wouldn't push the red button, but they wouldn't go into the invention room and have an honest conversation about what the real problem was and how, I call it, how we turn the red button green.

01:45:27.980 How we make money pushing the red button, because then we can push the red button.

01:45:32.600 And you have to push the red button because you cannot become wealthy liquidating your children.

01:45:39.500 You cannot become wealthy by poisoning your children and your people.

01:45:43.720 And yet, that's what we've been doing in America for decades now.

01:45:47.140 And now, here's the political problem.

01:45:50.460 If you're the new president of the United States and you walk into the Oval Office, your political guy is going to say to you, Mr. President, the American people just spent billions getting you voted in as president.

01:46:04.780 And now, they want payback.

01:46:06.040 They want their government contract.

01:46:07.740 They want their privatization.

01:46:10.120 They want the COLA increase on Social Security.

01:46:12.380 They want a community block development grant.

01:46:14.460 And you're going to turn to your Secretary of Treasury and he says, well, you better be nice to the people who control $500 billion to a trillion dollars and the accumulated capital they're on.

01:46:22.860 And, of course, the number is much bigger now.

01:46:24.600 Now, how are you going to press the red button?

01:46:27.740 You can't.

01:46:28.860 And if you look at the history of politics in America, the history is everybody wants their check and they want the story of I am good.

01:46:36.740 I'm a good Christian.

01:46:38.280 I'm not doing any of this corrupt organized crime stuff.

01:46:41.400 You know, I'm just voting.

01:46:44.840 You know, so I say it this way.

01:46:47.260 When Goldwater, the end of World War II, George Keenan said, we got 6% of the people and 50% of the resources and we're going to have to be tough if we keep this going.

01:46:57.140 So, Goldwater ran for president.

01:46:58.800 He said, we're going to have to drop a lot of bombs.

01:47:01.180 And the American people said, oh, no, we don't want to do that.

01:47:03.540 We're good Christians.

01:47:04.220 So, Jimmy Carter came along and he shivered in front of the fireplace and American said, oh, no, we don't want to do that.

01:47:12.580 We don't want to cut back.

01:47:13.620 And so, the Bushes came along and said, you know something?

01:47:16.140 You all are good Christians.

01:47:17.380 Here's your check.

01:47:18.240 Don't ask questions.

01:47:20.260 And that's where we've been.

01:47:22.020 Everybody wants the story of I am good.

01:47:23.720 And the problem, you can push the red button, you can turn it green, but it has to be done one neighborhood at a time.

01:47:32.900 You need to take all the money in a place and instead of spending the government money to centralize control and on the control grid, you need to re-engineer it to build real wealth.

01:47:44.200 And you've got to decentralize the economic power.

01:47:47.660 If you centralize and you create lots of billionaires, you're going to shrink the pie and that's what we've been doing.

01:47:53.220 And we've been making money from poisoning each other.

01:47:57.960 If people want to learn more about your research and your views on things, if they want to know about the 11 years you spent fighting the feds for blowing the whistle on them, where do they get that information?

01:48:12.320 So, we publish the Solari report.

01:48:14.700 It's solari.com, S-O-L-A-R-I.com.

01:48:17.700 And we have a subscription service and we have a lot of free, you know, so if you want to get to know us, you can come in and you can learn tremendous amounts from the free stuff.

01:48:27.240 We'd love to have you as a subscriber.

01:48:29.560 And we have a great group of subscribers.

01:48:32.200 What happened to me was I fell into this because I had terrible, terrible experiences with the corporate media.

01:48:42.960 And so, I just started doing shows and giving out my email and saying, if you have a question, ask me.

01:48:48.160 And over many years, the questions would come in and we'd publish the answers and, you know, it'd go on and on and went on for free for a long time.

01:48:56.160 And then finally, I got so many questions that I would just, you know, I finally said I need to hire people.

01:49:02.520 But we have this global network of subscribers and audience who get on the site, share comments, they're brilliant, and we help each other figure things out.

01:49:13.700 And we've literally become an intelligence network, you know, and it's all people who want to be free and they all understand one can't be free unless we're all free.

01:49:23.260 You know, this is an all or nothing thing.

01:49:25.600 They either get the control grid or we're free and the only way we're going to be free is if everybody's free.

01:49:30.700 It's an all or nothing deal.

01:49:32.740 And there are a lot of people now who understand this and are gathering.

01:49:37.180 And, you know, so I have many subscribers.

01:49:39.600 I just know from what they say.

01:49:41.620 I have many subscribers who are your subscribers because they feel and I feel you're on the same journey.

01:49:47.160 Yeah, I'm just not a very systematic thinker.

01:49:49.160 So, my instincts tell me that you're telling the truth.

01:49:53.080 And, of course, I agree completely with your orientation.

01:49:55.420 I just, my brain doesn't work that way.

01:49:57.280 So, it's been a true pleasure to hear all of this.

01:50:01.580 Thank you.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - April 28, 2025

Catherine Fitts： Bankers vs. the West, Secret Underground Bases, and the Oncoming Extinction Event

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