The Tucker Carlson Show - Catherine Fitts： Epstein, CIA Black Budget, the Control Grid, and the Banks’ Role in War

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00:00:21.840 Catherine Austin-Fitz, thank you for doing this.

00:00:30.880 Tucker, thank you for doing this.

00:00:32.520 The first time we did an interview over a year ago, different worlds completely, and I remember thinking, wow, I've rarely spoken to anyone who thinks in such big terms.

00:00:42.220 I mean, that is a compliment. I wonder if this is all true. I think time has proven you right.

00:00:48.400 We've had a couple of meals in the subsequent months, and so I just want to say, I think you're really wise, and I'm grateful to have you.

00:00:57.100 So, I want you to know it was only 10 months ago, but it seems like a long, long time.

00:01:01.480 Man.

00:01:02.560 Time is flying.

00:01:03.280 Yeah, I meet people in airports all the time. We're like, I used to think I was a conspiracy theorist, but now I know I was right.

00:01:07.300 You know, but it's kind of a variety of that.

00:01:08.900 But last time we had lunch, a couple months ago, you were telling me about, and I wish we had this on tape, but we can recreate it here, about the control grid, a concept that you had explained when we last did an interview, and how it was, as you said at lunch, snapping into place.

00:01:27.740 Can you just, for people who haven't seen your previous talk, explain what the control grid is, what it looks like, and what it means?

00:01:37.260 So, the control grid is a process or an infrastructure that allows digital technology to be used to assert phenomenal surveillance and control of people.

00:01:49.600 Yeah.

00:01:49.740 And at the very heart of it is what I call programmable money.

00:01:53.340 So, it's money that is no longer just a currency.

00:01:57.140 It's money that comes with a set of rules that can be surveilled and forced.

00:02:01.100 So, imagine back in the pandemic, if your money, if I said, okay, you've got to lock down and your money won't work if you leave your house.

00:02:09.440 You can't buy gas in your car because your money is programmed with AI and software to enforce a whole set of centralized rules.

00:02:17.100 And programmable money allows the bankers who've been running monetary policy to now control fiscal policy and essentially replace legislatures and executive branch by making and enforcing the rules through the money.

00:02:32.460 Now, that requires a large infrastructure of surveillance.

00:02:36.900 So, you need digital IDs, and then you need the hardware locally and globally to do the surveillance and implementation.

00:02:45.620 So, for example, if you look at the local hardware, and now people are seeing it, you know, now that it's material, they're beginning to see it snap into place.

00:02:53.960 So, I don't know if you know Flock cameras, but there are many communities across the United States that are entering into contracts paid by the taxpayers to put up cameras all around their neighborhood that track license plates and keep that data and share it with a variety of people.

00:03:10.080 Or you have, or you have, or you have the FCC is trying to overrule local controls on cell towers so they can literally put cell towers every 400 to 700 feet so that they can have the kind of invasive surveillance you need.

00:03:23.620 Or you have satellites now that can literally beam in Wi-Fi so that whether you have Wi-Fi in your home or not, they can start to track you.

00:03:31.560 And all those systems come, put you in what I call the panopticon.

00:03:36.860 So, we saw in the Middle East with the first war with Iran, we saw 11 leaders out of 12 sort of top leaders in science and government assassinated because they're literally tracking everyone.

00:03:51.860 And they can identify them and track them and then you have invisible weaponry that can then take them out or, you know, can identify missile strikes.

00:04:01.980 So, may I ask you to, so you're talking about the 12-day war against Iran in June of 2025.

00:04:07.120 We were led to believe just as newspaper readers or news consumers that those 11 Iranian officials were targeted with human intelligence, you know, that Israel had spies inside of Iran.

00:04:22.740 But you're saying that was done digitally.

00:04:24.400 That's probably, I would assume that that's probably true because you always want to get human confirmation of what the systems are telling you.

00:04:32.200 So, it's always better if you have both.

00:04:34.220 But we are now moving into building out the kind of surveillance systems that can literally track, identify, and integrate with not only our existing weaponry, but ultimately autonomous weaponry.

00:04:51.360 So, anyway, so let me step back.

00:04:54.000 You've got three parts to the control grid.

00:04:57.100 One is the local hardware and infrastructure, and that includes the data centers.

00:05:00.660 Data, I thought those were for AI.

00:05:04.960 They are.

00:05:05.900 Because if you look at what it takes to apply the equivalent of a social credit system to people's money, so the social credit system I apply to you is different than the one I apply to me.

00:05:16.460 And if you look at the data I need to track you and test whether or not you're following the rules I've given you and enforce those rules, it's an explosive amount of data, particularly because you're looking not just at financial control, but spatial control.

00:05:31.700 So, what is AI good at, Tucker?

00:05:34.020 AI is very...

00:05:34.760 Spatial control, movement control?

00:05:36.500 Yeah.

00:05:36.880 So, turn off the car.

00:05:38.420 So, Congressman Massey is trying to kill the kill switch in your car.

00:05:42.460 That's because spatial control means I can turn off your car or I can set it so your money won't work more than a mile from your home or a 15-minute city.

00:05:51.520 So, you literally, you're not allowed to leave your 15-minute city and your transportation and your money won't work outside of that area.

00:06:00.540 So, let me step back.

00:06:02.140 So, what is AI good at?

00:06:04.720 AI is very good at tracking things that can be expressed mathematically.

00:06:10.320 And financial transactions and spatial movement can be expressed mathematically.

00:06:14.300 And so, what the AI centers are for primarily is to build that digital control grid and to manage that data.

00:06:23.120 So, and now it can be used for many other purposes too.

00:06:25.840 So, it's not just going to be used for control.

00:06:27.860 But to me, that's the primary purpose.

00:06:30.140 And that, if you look at the cameras, if you look at the cell towers, if you look at the satellites and then the AI, the data centers, those are all component pieces of the local hardware.

00:06:40.700 So, there are three sort of pillars that I track.

00:06:44.540 One is the programmable money.

00:06:46.880 And that's what we at Solari are trying to stop.

00:06:49.840 The second is the digital ID because you need a global, you need digital ID systems that are interoperable globally.

00:06:57.120 And then the local hardware.

00:06:59.000 And those are sort of the three pillars.

00:07:01.060 And what's interesting is there's phenomenal development of all three.

00:07:05.700 We have a commentary at Solari where we track, it's called the Fast Approaching Digital Control Grid.

00:07:11.720 And every week we update all the things that are being done to build those three pillars and have them integrate with each other.

00:07:18.880 And ever since the inauguration, it's been moving very, very quickly.

00:07:24.000 Now, it's both sides of the Uniparty.

00:07:25.800 They come at it in different ways and they do different things.

00:07:28.360 But this is, you know, ultimately what this is doing is this is going to a point where the central bankers, whether they do it with a central bank digital currency or private stable coins and asset tokens, are setting the world up so that they can control your financial transactions literally in real time with the equivalent of a social credit system.

00:07:51.380 I have so many questions.

00:07:56.340 I've probably been in six or seven, eight countries in the last month.

00:08:00.260 And I think in every single country I had biometrics taken, either fingerprint or facial recognition.

00:08:06.400 Right.

00:08:07.140 What role do biometrics play in the control grid?

00:08:09.920 That's part of the digital ID system.

00:08:12.900 And that facilitates the surveillance.

00:08:16.200 And it's interesting.

00:08:16.800 So we do a lot to promote cash because I think there are many things we can do to slow down or stop the digital control system.

00:08:23.840 But one of it is by embracing analog and keeping analog alive.

00:08:29.300 Because to go to a really serious programmable money, you need an all digital financial system.

00:08:37.300 So we do a lot with cash.

00:08:38.780 But people will tell you if you go to Walmart, you leave your phone in the car and you use cash.

00:08:45.360 You come out having made a purchase.

00:08:48.260 And the next thing you know, the next day on your phone, you get a text from the company of the product you bought at Walmart.

00:08:54.300 So they were able to identify you.

00:08:56.220 It's because of the biometrics.

00:08:57.560 They have your facial recognition.

00:09:00.480 I had a crazy experience with cash.

00:09:01.960 I thought of you right before Christmas, I wanted to pay employees a bonus in cash, which I always do.

00:09:08.880 And so I asked my wife to go to the bank. 1.00

00:09:10.660 She did a Wells Fargo branch not far from her house.

00:09:13.200 I want to take out this amount, pretty large amount, but not crazy, right?

00:09:17.980 And they said, no, we can't give you the money.

00:09:21.120 And why?

00:09:22.020 Because we think that you are being scammed, that there's probably someone outside with a gun demanding that you withdraw cash.

00:09:28.860 And she's like, what?

00:09:29.680 No.

00:09:30.420 So she called me.

00:09:31.580 Anyway, I finally went into the bank and got upset.

00:09:35.280 It wasn't their fault.

00:09:36.400 They were being told, I think, by federal regulators not to give me cash.

00:09:39.180 And I said, I thought the point of a bank was to hold my money.

00:09:41.440 You loan it out of interest.

00:09:43.260 I get less interest from you, so you make the money, but my money's safe.

00:09:46.900 But I get it when I want because I made it at my job.

00:09:49.820 And they're like, we're so sorry.

00:09:51.280 We're so sorry.

00:09:51.720 But they wouldn't give me the cash.

00:09:53.080 It took two weeks to get the cash.

00:09:54.300 What is that?

00:09:55.080 It's called nudging.

00:09:55.940 Do you know what nudging is?

00:09:57.460 No.

00:09:57.720 Oh, there's all science of nudging.

00:09:59.920 So if you're the central bankers and you want to take cash down to zero, what you do is you create lots of different kinds of rules and regulations that nudge people in that direction.

00:10:11.920 Okay, so that's one of the things that's happening.

00:10:14.600 And you use these things as an excuse.

00:10:16.800 Now, there's something else happening.

00:10:18.180 So that's not my imagination.

00:10:20.080 That's part of a strategy to get me not to use cash.

00:10:22.140 Part of what was happening was nudging.

00:10:24.420 Now, if you look at the person who implemented that, they're getting a rule.

00:10:28.100 They're just doing their job.

00:10:29.320 And one of the reasons they're getting the rule and one of the things they use to do the nudging with is if you look at the amount of cybercrime and financial fraud that's happening that is causing people to go down and get cash, it's real.

00:10:43.380 And the banks are losing a great deal of money on it.

00:10:46.200 And it's a serious problem, particularly because if you look at the technology used to using it to be implemented, you know, I believe they're using neurowarfare.

00:10:57.520 So they get these people very addicted online and they get them doing sort of crazy financial things.

00:11:03.000 Because I was trying to wire, I was in the Netherlands, I was trying to wire 5,000 euros to one of the people who works for me.

00:11:11.760 And my bank stopped it because they felt that I was a victim of a romance crime.

00:11:18.740 A romance crime.

00:11:19.820 A romance crime.

00:11:20.860 I said, no, I assure you, this person writes my loving art column.

00:11:24.700 It's not a romance.

00:11:25.780 I mean, there's a romance with art here, but it's not with each other.

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00:12:50.040 So, okay, but you would think that banks beset by cybercrime would want to encourage the use of cash.

00:12:56.460 Uh, so, you know, the banks are in a movement for more and more central control.

00:13:06.220 Again, the financial system for 20 plus years has been steadily moving in all different layers from regulatory to these kinds of things.

00:13:15.780 From a world where the bankers control monetary policy to a world where they control fiscal policy.

00:13:23.140 And, and that's all, the nudging is all part of moving you there.

00:13:26.620 Can you explain the difference for those of us who are not economically fluent?

00:13:29.120 Okay, so, so, since 1913, the United States has have a governmental structure where the central bank, the Federal Reserve, which is the Board of Governors in Washington and the 12 central banks, manage monetary policy.

00:13:44.340 So, they basically, uh, working with the banks, run the financial transactions, the New York Fed runs the governmental accounts, they control the government bank accounts, and their policies of Fed funds, interest rate, and money onto the reserve tracks affects the money supply and the, you know, and basically the money supply and how, how the money works, okay?

00:14:09.200 So, it's more complicated than that because they have lots of regulatory functions.

00:14:12.460 But the people vote for their representatives, so whether it's the state house or the Congress, they vote for elected representatives from their jurisdiction and area, and those people decide fiscal policy, which is what taxes do we collect, what tariffs do we collect, what bonds do we sell and raise money, and how does that money get spent?

00:14:35.460 So, so, my representatives, your representatives are determining fiscal policy, and the bankers are determining a monetary policy, and it's a balance of power between the people and the bankers.

00:14:46.460 Now, with the digital control grid and, and programmable money, the bankers can assert control of fiscal policy, and they can set, they can just decide what the taxes are and take them out of your account, and they can essentially determine the rules of how it all gets spent.

00:15:06.380 And so, and so, and so, it's a very, you know, it's sort of a financial coup d'etat that over time, you know, they want to assert complete control of fiscal and monetary policy.

00:15:16.940 And, and essentially, the legislatures will go to being sort of show and tell, or, you know, go out of business.

00:15:25.200 We're, we're moving quickly in that direction, where the legislatures in every country are becoming less powerful, in many cases irrelevant.

00:15:33.760 So, here's my theory, though.

00:15:36.080 If you go back to 9-11, and when Wesley Clark said, we're going to, we're going to invade seven countries in five years, what you were talking about were the countries where those central banks were not on board to do programmable money.

00:15:51.920 And their governance structures were not on board with essentially, you know, because of Epstein, I'll call it the Rockefeller-Rothschild model.

00:16:04.100 There was an effort to say, okay, we're going to basically assert control of the central banks in those countries.

00:16:10.240 That's my interpretation.

00:16:12.680 And I think one of the reasons we're seeing so much tension around Iran is because Iran right now is the big leakage in the system.

00:16:23.680 How?

00:16:24.880 So, so...

00:16:26.240 Wait, it's not about their nukes?

00:16:27.580 No.

00:16:28.480 So, well, you know, Iran's central bank counts.

00:16:32.600 One of the reasons it counts is because their oil and energy is very important, including for China.

00:16:37.060 And that's very important in the BRICS system.

00:16:40.720 What the BRICS system is trying to do is to create independent payment systems.

00:16:44.720 But if you're going to come out with programmable money, with digital IDs that are interoperable globally, and programmable money that controls in each jurisdiction centrally, you can't afford leakage.

00:16:59.160 And so you've got way too much leakage in the system to proceed with what they're trying to do.

00:17:04.700 And Iran is, and the BRIC nations are a sticking point. 0.96

00:17:09.440 And certainly Iran's oil, you know, feeding China gives China greater independence.

00:17:15.720 So you think that one of the motives behind toppling all these governments was the creation of the control grid we're talking about now?

00:17:27.080 Right.

00:17:27.500 So if you go back, so you had the wonderful Richard Warner on your show.

00:17:32.880 And Richard has a book called The Princes of the End, which is about the sort of effort to take over the Japanese central bank.

00:17:41.900 And I think what you're looking at, I think part of the state of play with both Russia and Iran is how are you going to make sure that those central banks are entirely in the system?

00:17:52.840 So, yeah, that was an amazing interview.

00:17:56.000 And he told the story about writing this book on the Japanese central bank.

00:17:59.780 Like, I can't imagine a more obscure topic from my non-economically minded standpoint.

00:18:05.120 It'd be like writing a book on postcards from the Falkland Islands.

00:18:07.560 It's like, okay, a book on the Japanese central bank.

00:18:11.740 And he said, well, actually, they suppressed it.

00:18:13.660 I couldn't get it published in the United States and you can't get a copy.

00:18:16.500 And that's like checkable.

00:18:17.780 So I checked it.

00:18:19.120 You can't get a copy of that book.

00:18:20.340 It's really hard.

00:18:21.200 I think you can order from its publisher right now.

00:18:23.500 Okay.

00:18:23.740 But, I mean, that, like, why would someone try to suppress a book?

00:18:28.980 Because it shows you the true, it takes you right into the secret governance system and it shows you the primary mechanism by which they implement policy.

00:18:40.080 Yeah.

00:18:40.700 Well, it's always the things you're not allowed to say are probably the important things, right?

00:18:44.700 I mean, whenever they penalize you for having a thought, you're probably on the right track.

00:18:48.640 Well, it's one of the critical train tracks of control.

00:18:54.180 So it's what I call the third rail.

00:18:56.600 So I used to finance transit systems and train systems.

00:19:00.760 So, you know, a lot of these systems have two tracks that the wheels go on and then they have a third rail that the power line runs on.

00:19:09.200 And you get a train trap that flips over and sucks the energy from the third rail.

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00:19:29.380 It's designed to absolutely...

00:19:30.880 I just fell asleep in the middle of that sentence.

00:19:33.360 Exactly.

00:19:34.800 Right.

00:19:35.720 Right.

00:19:36.740 Is it boring by design?

00:19:38.220 You know, the way you're taught to talk about it is boring by design, you know, but it's like the mechanisms of the legal system.

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00:23:00.300 So back to programmable digital currency.

00:23:04.600 All the features that you've described so far of the control grid, that's the one that has not been fully implemented, would that be fair to say?

00:23:11.600 So let me describe, yeah, not at all.

00:23:14.740 And it's important to be talking about this now because imagine a tsunami approaching us.

00:23:21.260 There is a tsunami approaching us.

00:23:22.880 Right now, if you look at the traditional financial system, we're talking about hundreds of trillions of dollars, stocks, bonds, global stocks, and bonds market.

00:23:32.300 The crypto market or money issued on a distributed ledger is tiny.

00:23:37.400 So maybe it's $4 trillion compared to $250 trillion just counting stocks and bonds.

00:23:42.880 And then we have the currency market, which is bigger.

00:23:44.660 So most people in the traditional financial system look at the distributed ledger system and say, you know, it's tiny, it's tokens.

00:23:53.980 Last year, we passed the Genius Act.

00:23:56.640 So have you heard of the Genius Act?

00:23:58.040 I have, yeah.

00:23:58.560 Okay.

00:23:59.340 So people have been-

00:24:00.260 It was quite a bitter fight over it, too.

00:24:03.200 There was a bitter fight.

00:24:05.560 The big bitter fight right now is over the Clarity Act.

00:24:09.440 So the Genius Act created a regulatory framework for stablecoins.

00:24:14.920 And I'll explain stablecoins in a second.

00:24:17.500 The Clarity Act was passed in the House last year.

00:24:21.040 Its complement in the Senate is called, it's a discussion draft called the Responsible Financial Innovation Act.

00:24:26.920 And so the final act's name, I'll call it the Clarity Act, but I don't know which it will be.

00:24:33.460 The Senate and the House have not agreed, and that has become a very bitter fight.

00:24:38.560 And I can explain what that's about.

00:24:40.580 The reason the Genius Act and the Clarity Act are very, very important is there has been a push to say,

00:24:48.720 we don't want central bank digital currency because we don't want the central banks putting the banks out of business and controlling centrally.

00:24:55.940 What has happened, though, is now they're doing a form of private, think of it as private CBDC,

00:25:03.300 stablecoins and digital assets and tokens that can essentially implement the same social credit and control system,

00:25:11.720 but through private issuers.

00:25:14.120 So let me turn to stablecoins for a second.

00:25:16.880 Because the Genius Act has passed, they're working on regulations that will come out at the end of this year or the beginning of next year.

00:25:22.240 So if a stablecoin is issued, it's a crypto issued on a distributive ledger,

00:25:28.420 and it's basically the money that is received to buy the stablecoin is reinvested in either treasury bills that are 93 days or shorter in maturity,

00:25:38.080 or high-quality bank deposits, so cash.

00:25:42.080 So basically it's 100% collateralized.

00:25:45.220 So when you have a stablecoin, it's like having a little treasury bill, a dollar of treasury bill.

00:25:52.660 So think of yourself as using a treasury bill.

00:25:54.920 So it's not so different from U.S. currency.

00:25:57.000 No, no.

00:25:58.300 It's certainly in terms of value.

00:26:00.820 And the reason you call it a stablecoin is you're hoping,

00:26:03.840 theoretically a stablecoin could be done on other currencies as well,

00:26:07.760 but you're hoping that a dollar stablecoin will not be volatile in price the way many cryptos are volatile in price.

00:26:14.120 So it's designed so the price is stable.

00:26:17.800 Okay, so one of the hopes and one of the reasons that we're issuing stablecoins is as foreign purchases of treasuries diminish,

00:26:26.780 we're hoping that you can put out stablecoins worldwide and attract retail money into the treasury market.

00:26:34.980 So the wholesale market is rejecting you.

00:26:38.100 And so now through the mobile payment systems, you can put out stablecoins.

00:26:41.160 So it's another way of propping up U.S. debt.

00:26:43.180 It's another way of preserving U.S. dominance, dollar dominance.

00:26:47.540 But the danger, of course, is there are two dangers.

00:26:52.460 One is if everyone in your town in Maine pulls their money out of the bank and puts it on their mobile payment stablecoin,

00:27:02.340 all the loan market and the credit creation market in your town is going to collapse, right?

00:27:09.440 Because they're leaving your local economy and going into the treasury market to finance the feds. 0.72

00:27:16.020 So what Amazon did to retailers in towns, stablecoin could do to banks in towns.

00:27:22.600 To community banks and credit unions.

00:27:24.480 Now, they can also issue stablecoins.

00:27:27.180 But again, that money is going to go into the treasury market rather than multiply on Main Street.

00:27:33.680 There's been a real quiet war over the last 20, 30 years because the federal regulators have pushed the community banks and credit unions to not make loans on Main Street,

00:27:45.880 but put their money in the investment portfolio where they do buy treasuries, okay?

00:27:49.860 And this is all part of getting your local economy more and more dependent on federal money.

00:27:55.780 I'm seeing this.

00:27:57.460 Yes.

00:27:57.780 There are only like four trends in the modern world and this is one of them.

00:28:02.100 Power, money, centralized, go to the national capital, away from the provinces.

00:28:06.680 It's like it's happening everywhere.

00:28:07.820 Well, but here's the thing.

00:28:09.040 And this is the little secret to real solutions.

00:28:11.400 If you look at the last 50 years or 70 years since World War II, every effort has been made through taxes or credit or various financial mechanisms to get all the money to go into central and come back down, right?

00:28:27.100 And now if you go into most communities, so America's 3,100 counties, most counties, 40 or 50% of the income in that county is coming through, you know, it goes up to Wall Street or Washington and comes back down.

00:28:41.860 And so you end up with more and more central control.

00:28:44.200 Now, here's the little secret.

00:28:45.680 It's economically insane.

00:28:47.360 If you could do more money going around, you could make the pie much bigger.

00:28:51.760 Well, of course.

00:28:52.500 Right.

00:28:52.640 And just like power transmission, the longer you have to move power along lines, the more power you lose.

00:28:58.400 Exactly.

00:28:59.280 And technology should advantage the little guy, not the big guy.

00:29:03.060 So, you know, go back to...

00:29:04.820 Can you just pause there?

00:29:05.880 Thank you for, I mean, it just shows how old I am that I know what you're talking about because that was the original promise.

00:29:10.700 Right.

00:29:11.960 I mean, it's hard to believe now, but 30 years ago when the internet was being introduced to the public, the idea was this is empowering for the average person.

00:29:20.280 So when that happened, that was when my company, this was the fight I had with the Department of Justice.

00:29:25.500 We built software tools.

00:29:26.980 We had one software tool called Community IPO in a Box to help everybody locally facilitate equity, you know, stock markets for local areas.

00:29:35.920 But we built a software tool called Community Wizard.

00:29:38.280 And you could dial in and say, my neighborhood is my county or my zip code or my congressional district.

00:29:44.500 And you could map out the sources and uses of all federal credit and money in your community.

00:29:50.440 So you could get the equivalent of a financial statement for the jurisdictions in which you vote for political representation.

00:29:57.340 So you could really hold your congressman accountable because you could see a financial statement for your jurisdiction.

00:30:04.500 And the Department of Justice seized our offices, seized the software, put it, it took me six years to get it out from the courts.

00:30:12.360 And when I got it out from the courts, it was missing all the most important pieces.

00:30:16.740 It's funny they'd want to discourage accountability.

00:30:19.000 Well, what I discovered when I was in the administration was that if the local business people could see how the money works around them, they could get back in the game.

00:30:32.620 So, you know, we regularly saw, I told you this before, we regularly saw communities where HUD was spending $250,000 per unit to build public housing.

00:30:42.260 And $50,000 would buy and rehab a single family foreclosed property in the same four block area.

00:30:47.340 So, and I literally, but it was the same with jobs.

00:30:53.260 We were paying a contractor in Washington $100,000, $125,000 per hour to do something that we could keep local.

00:31:00.460 You didn't need to send it all the way up there so that a big contractor could, corporate contractor could do it.

00:31:07.440 You know, so there was a great story during the financial crisis where a woman lost her job, very responsible, hardworking, couldn't find another job,

00:31:16.000 ultimately had to take food stamps, which was a matter of great shame for her.

00:31:20.520 And so she had a problem with them and called tech support and got a woman in India working for JPMorgan Chase, who had at that point 37 of the state food stamp, you know, programs they were managing.

00:31:34.860 And she said, wait a minute, you know, I could do this job.

00:31:38.600 And if I was doing this job, I wouldn't need food stamps.

00:31:40.740 So why are we sending it to India with a big markup for a big bank when I could just do this job and then I wouldn't need food stamps?

00:31:48.000 It's hard not to see malice in there somewhere.

00:31:49.920 Oh, there's total malice.

00:31:50.960 So, I mean, here's the thing.

00:31:53.000 If I have a publicly traded stock and it's trading at a price earnings ratio of 10, just to make it simple.

00:32:02.460 If I make a dollar, my stock goes up $10, right?

00:32:06.260 Okay.

00:32:06.960 Now, if government intervenes to take a million dollars of income to, you know, that Main Street is making and shift it into a publicly traded stock, that stock will go up 10 million.

00:32:21.220 Second, what's the biggest source of political contributions?

00:32:26.240 Capital gains, right?

00:32:28.960 So the more I shift money out of Main Street into publicly traded stocks, the more I get the pop on the stock and the more investors of real estate capital gains or company enterprise capital gains, the more money they'll give.

00:32:45.280 So, you know, so in Washington, there's this giant sucking sound.

00:32:50.000 And so let's go back to the pandemic.

00:32:53.020 Remember the pandemic?

00:32:54.660 Yeah, vaguely.

00:32:55.860 You shut down Main Street, which is not publicly traded.

00:32:59.120 And suddenly all their market share has to go to publicly traded stocks, either online companies or the big box stores.

00:33:06.540 So I'll never forget there's a wonderful moment during the pandemic when Rick Santilli is standing on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange.

00:33:16.080 And he's saying, and Andrew Sorkin is up in the studio.

00:33:20.140 And Santilli says, this makes no sense.

00:33:21.860 I'm going to the mall.

00:33:23.260 All the little companies are closed.

00:33:24.960 Costco's next door.

00:33:26.480 And the parking lot's packed.

00:33:28.380 And Costco's packed.

00:33:29.940 It doesn't make any sense.

00:33:30.980 Why do the little guys have to be shut down for the virus? 0.85

00:33:33.300 But, you know, it's okay next door.

00:33:35.280 You know, because the parking lot's packed.

00:33:37.640 People are all congregated in.

00:33:39.980 You know, they're all together.

00:33:41.580 And Sorkin says, the virus can't go in Costco.

00:33:45.000 It can't go in the big box stores.

00:33:46.840 That's science.

00:33:47.740 Well, because Sorkin believes in science.

00:33:51.280 But here's the thing.

00:33:52.900 If you look at how much money was made by Wall Street, it was a giant sucking sound of market share into publicly traded stocks.

00:34:02.380 And then the capital gains go back around, you know, for the political contributions.

00:34:07.540 So, I told you, I have an online book that explains how this works, which I've tried to publish three times.

00:34:14.340 And each time it's gotten sabotaged the last time they threatened somebody in my family.

00:34:19.280 So, I backed off and never published.

00:34:20.780 It's online.

00:34:21.320 It's, you know, it's not censored, but I've never put it in hardback.

00:34:26.080 And I'm waiting for everybody to die, and then I'll publish it again.

00:34:28.760 I'll try again.

00:34:29.440 I'll try for the fourth time.

00:34:31.080 But it shows you exactly how the game works on a private prison company that my old firm had financed.

00:34:38.200 So, I show you, I get out all the SEC documents, and I show you the game and how it works, how it translates into capital gains.

00:34:45.340 And that was...

00:34:46.020 Could you just summarize it really quickly?

00:34:47.560 Yeah.

00:34:48.000 So, we started a movement in the early 90s to privatize a portion of the prison system.

00:34:56.000 I remember.

00:34:56.780 And it's economically insane.

00:34:58.980 I think I was for it, for the record. 0.97

00:35:01.100 I've had so many dumb positions over the years that I think I was for that.

00:35:05.640 So, at the time that I wrote the analysis, the best figures I could get from general accounting office was it was costing, the whole criminal justice system was costing $154,000 per person per year. 0.95

00:35:20.720 And one of the reasons was the construction of all these private facilities is one of my theories.

00:35:25.680 But what I showed you was the stocks were trading on a per-bed basis.

00:35:32.380 Okay?

00:35:32.560 So, if you could get a law passed that mandated longer sentences, the stocks would go up because you get a bigger P.E. per bed.

00:35:43.400 Okay?

00:35:43.620 Come on.

00:35:44.280 Yeah.

00:35:44.440 And literally, what they did was they started the companies and then they started a program to drop SWAT teams into neighborhoods to literally drop in and round up kids, you know, who could be dealing drugs or not.

00:35:58.880 You know who was dealing, bringing in the drugs.

00:36:01.300 It wasn't the kids.

00:36:02.820 And literally, they cut off in D.C., they cut off the money to the public defender's office so the kids had to all cop police.

00:36:09.640 And that would stuff the prisons.

00:36:12.460 And at the same time, what they did is they created a company at the Department of Justice called Unicor that could market prison labor to corporations for tiny dollars.

00:36:22.660 No, really.

00:36:23.500 It's a slavery system. 0.99

00:36:25.060 Obviously.

00:36:25.820 It's a slavery system. 0.99

00:36:26.800 And the book describes, it's called Dillon Reed and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits and explains how the whole system works, who made money, how they made money.

00:36:35.340 And what's sad about it is, you know, my guess from doing that analysis is that many of the people making money on it are the same people who are making money bringing in the drugs.

00:36:49.420 And I describe all those things.

00:36:52.300 So, and the power of the book, it took me a year to write it and I had a, I was living in Montana and you couldn't walk in my house.

00:37:00.420 You could only step on piles of SEC documents and there are literally hundreds of thousands of pages of documentation behind it because I had to prove all the different pieces of the financial ecosystem.

00:37:13.040 And so we put up all the documentation and it was, you know, it was quite astonishing because it really helped people who had trouble understanding the growing central control.

00:37:23.720 It helped them to see that it was very intentional.

00:37:25.840 The saddest fact of the moment we're living in is that the American dream itself is evaporating for a lot of young people.

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00:37:36.060 Owning property, something that was completely normal, it was America just a generation ago, is now a dream for so many people.

00:37:45.720 People are using buy now, pay later apps to buy food, dinner on credit.

00:37:51.420 So what you're watching is the slow failure of systems that don't work anymore.

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00:40:53.380 In order to implement any big society-wide change, and I think your COVID example is a perfect one,

00:41:03.160 you really have to construct a crisis and the change is a solution to whatever the problem you created is.

00:41:09.720 So like if you, I don't know, want to create a new federal agency, you probably need a 9-11. 0.93

00:41:13.520 If you want to make biometrics the rule, you probably have to push AI and make the case that like,

00:41:20.120 we don't know who anybody is because everything's a deepfake.

00:41:23.220 So you have to have biometrics in, you know, in your Twitter handle, etc.

00:41:28.100 What will be the crisis that justifies digital currency?

00:41:33.800 So let me sit back for a second because what I see is the crisis is only the apex and the third act.

00:41:43.520 To get the crisis working, you have to get thousands of things in place.

00:41:49.360 So for example, coming into COVID, I don't think you could have done COVID without, for example,

00:41:58.980 getting Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board Statement 56 into place in 2018,

00:42:04.340 and then having the central bankers meet and approve the going direct reset.

00:42:07.920 I'm not familiar with that.

00:42:09.120 I will.

00:42:09.820 I would be delighted to tell you about that.

00:42:12.060 Thank you.

00:42:13.080 Because this is one of those things that sounds very boring, that is like a, you know, a 10 Richter earthquake.

00:42:20.720 So for many, many years, there was a group of us who were trying to bring as much transparency

00:42:30.120 to the fact that there was serious criminality going on in the federal accounts and $21 trillion was missing.

00:42:37.940 And that was happening because the federal government refused to obey the financial management laws.

00:42:44.620 So they are required, you're a citizen, you pay your taxes, they're required to give you, you know,

00:42:49.900 you give them your 1040 and they're required to give you back and says, okay, here's how we spent your money.

00:42:55.900 And that's required in the Constitution, the financial management laws.

00:42:58.920 The federal government has, since the mid-90s, been in complete violation of those laws.

00:43:04.600 So there was a lot of pressure that was brought to bear when Dr. Mark Skidmore with Soleri published his report on the $21 trillion missing.

00:43:12.800 And so pressure, pressure, pressure, the DOD keeps saying, you know, we can't pass an audit, we're not going to pass an audit.

00:43:22.020 And then 2018, remember the Kavanaugh hearings?

00:43:25.320 Very well.

00:43:25.940 Okay, everybody was very busy, you know, watching the Kavanaugh hearings.

00:43:29.740 The federal government, the House, the Senate, and the White House, all together, October 2018,

00:43:37.140 published an administrative policy called FASB-56 that basically said, in violation of the Constitution,

00:43:47.160 the financial management laws and the financial management regulations,

00:43:50.480 that they could set up a secret group of people by a secret process

00:43:54.320 and pull things out of the government's financial statements and keep them secret,

00:43:59.580 not just for the 24 covered agencies, but for 150 plus related governmental entities.

00:44:05.620 And when you take in the national security and classification laws,

00:44:09.400 that means also that the big banks and contractors working for the federal government can do the same.

00:44:14.640 Right, that's Deloitte and J.P. Morgan too.

00:44:16.600 Right.

00:44:17.140 And what that means is basically the entire large cap stock and bond market in the United States is secret.

00:44:25.820 The disclosure is meaningless.

00:44:27.880 It doesn't mean anything.

00:44:29.220 And if you go to Solari, we have a missing money section.

00:44:33.480 And we have extensive, not only descriptions of FASB-56, but what it means to investors.

00:44:40.280 On what grounds could the federal government declare private businesses, the whole of itself,

00:44:47.320 all kind of off limits to disclosure?

00:44:49.160 They have no legal basis because this is in violation of the Constitution,

00:44:52.680 the financial management laws, and the financial management regulations.

00:44:58.600 We have a section at Missing Money with seven briefing papers.

00:45:03.460 It took me two years working with our attorneys to do it

00:45:06.120 that describe all the financial management laws of the United States so that you can see.

00:45:11.600 And luckily, one of the interesting things that happened when FASB-56 passed is Matt Taibbi

00:45:17.520 picked up on it and wrote an article about it.

00:45:21.380 It's funny, he emailed me.

00:45:22.580 He said, okay, I got the briefing papers, thank God.

00:45:25.920 Because it's very, you know, if you're someone like Matt Taibbi,

00:45:28.520 it's very hard to sit down and learn the financial management laws of the United States.

00:45:32.680 That's why we did the briefing papers, so that any reporter could, you know,

00:45:36.600 get into this and master it in a reasonable period of time.

00:45:39.740 Was this just a regulation?

00:45:42.340 Was this voted on?

00:45:43.400 This is administrative policy.

00:45:44.760 So, in law, there's the Constitution, there's the financial management laws,

00:45:50.540 there's the regulation, and then there's the administrative policy.

00:45:53.080 So, this is the total inversion.

00:45:54.900 This is an administrative policy saying we can break the Constitution,

00:45:59.860 the financial management laws, and the regulations by administrative policy.

00:46:03.840 But the House, the Senate, and the White House all agreed.

00:46:10.280 So, it was a joint.

00:46:11.660 And they tried to sneak it through.

00:46:13.200 And I was very lucky, because there was a guy at the time who worked for the American Federation of Scientists,

00:46:19.660 who literally read the Federal Register.

00:46:22.260 And I had signed up for his newsletter, because I didn't want to, but I trusted him to do it.

00:46:26.820 And he would keep an eye on the black budget issues.

00:46:30.260 A guy named Steve Aftergood, very good.

00:46:32.800 And he, in his newsletter, he read it, and he understood what it meant.

00:46:37.760 Because it's so boring, nobody would understand that.

00:46:40.040 Well, that's exactly right.

00:46:40.920 Right.

00:46:41.480 What's not boring, and I just, I'm sorry to keep interrupting you, but I don't want anything to fall through the cracks.

00:46:45.520 The black budget issues.

00:46:46.660 What black budget?

00:46:47.560 What is the black budget, and what was he looking at, and why should we care?

00:46:50.120 So, we have an overt economy, we have a covert economy.

00:46:54.700 The covert economy is driven by a series of pools of money and cash flows.

00:47:01.200 The first one, Joseph Farrell calls it the hidden system of finance.

00:47:07.560 The first one started with all the seizures during the wars.

00:47:11.460 So, during World War II, a great amount of assets were seized, and that created a pool of money that was available for covert operations.

00:47:21.700 So, there's a wonderful story in Christopher Simpson's first book about how the money they had seized had been moved into the Exchange Stabilization Fund, which is the mother of all slush funds.

00:47:32.400 That's managed by the Secretary of Treasury, managed by the New York Fed for the Secretary of Treasury.

00:47:38.140 So, the money had been moved in, and the Dulles brothers are sitting at Sullivan and Cromwell, and they use that money to rig the 48 elections in Europe at the request of the Vatican.

00:47:50.440 Anyway, so, this is the, you know, so we have this seizure pool.

00:47:58.400 Then what happened, we passed the National Security Act in 47, and then in 49, we passed the CIA Act, which was very fractious.

00:48:08.600 It literally took assassinating Forrestal to get that done.

00:48:13.320 Who was thrown out of a window.

00:48:14.960 Yeah.

00:48:15.800 Yeah, so that's-

00:48:16.700 At Bethesda Naval Hospital.

00:48:18.020 Right.

00:48:18.200 He'd been the Secretary of War.

00:48:19.560 And he was very opposed to the creation of the black budget and the creation of Israel, and so-

00:48:26.420 Who killed him?

00:48:27.500 And why don't people understand that the Defense Secretary, the Secretary of War was murdered?

00:48:33.240 So-

00:48:34.160 I don't think one in a hundred people know that.

00:48:36.260 So, we, you know, he was a Dylan Reed partner.

00:48:38.760 So, I knew that because I used to stare at his painting in the partner's boardroom or dining room, and they would, you know, they would always train you by telling you,

00:48:48.520 if you're not careful in Washington, this-

00:48:50.380 It's funny, there are two books that I have read on it, both of which cost like a hundred bucks a piece on eBay, because they're, it's just-

00:48:56.440 Have you read David Martin's book?

00:48:57.800 I don't know, I have two, they're in my office, I read them both.

00:49:01.160 You want to read Dave Martin?

00:49:02.120 We have a great interview with Dave Martin, and let me finish telling you-

00:49:06.060 Both were written in the 60s, but really quickly, do, I mean, his murder-

00:49:12.440 His murder was part of a deal to get the 49 Act passed, is my theory.

00:49:16.860 Okay.

00:49:17.720 And that, and to create, the creation of Israel.

00:49:21.900 So, it was both the black budget and Israel that were, and they needed to get him out of the way. 0.97

00:49:28.460 So, we have a big interview on it, Soleri, and I've looked very into it very deeply.

00:49:34.360 I was very interested in Forrestal.

00:49:35.720 So, anyway, so, but the 49 Act was the CIA Act.

00:49:40.120 So, you have the National Security Act, 47, the CIA Act.

00:49:43.240 What the CIA Act authorized was the ability to appropriate money to different agencies and then claw it back secretly to a black budget.

00:49:52.920 So, now we have the hidden system of finance with the pools of seized money, and we add to that a layer of money that can be appropriated and clawed and used secretly,

00:50:03.940 only subject to very limited oversight by a committee in Congress.

00:50:10.160 So, the appropriations committees wouldn't see that money, only this one committee that oversaw the black budget.

00:50:16.980 Okay.

00:50:17.900 And if you look at those two pools, the next step happened in 81 when Bush comes in.

00:50:25.880 Bush comes in as vice president under Reagan, and his deal with the Reagan folks during the campaign was,

00:50:32.260 because he'll, because he'd run the CIA, he'll run intelligence and enforcement.

00:50:37.720 And the Bushies were very, very good at the nuts and bolts of sort of the mechanics of government and the legal system and money.

00:50:46.700 He got an executive order done that said, essentially, you can use this secret money, the black budget money,

00:50:55.700 and you can use it to hire corporate contractors who can now do highly classified projects.

00:51:03.400 Now, let me explain what this means as a financial matter.

00:51:05.720 So, we were talking about stock market going up.

00:51:09.580 You can now take the most secret, powerful technology in the world and pay corporations to learn and end up owning that technology

00:51:18.720 secretly in a way that drives their stock to the moon.

00:51:22.580 So, now you've connected the U.S. treasury market directly like a pipe into companies and drive their stock up almost to an infinite amount.

00:51:34.540 So, it's quite, as a financial mechanism, it's one of the most powerful things that ever happened in our history.

00:51:44.200 What percent, so we have the federal budget, which we can look up online.

00:51:50.220 But after FASB-56, it's totally meaningless.

00:51:53.160 And, okay, so it's meaningless because we don't know where the money is actually going.

00:51:56.500 Is that why?

00:51:57.200 No, because the most important pieces of money, we don't know what's been taken out.

00:52:02.400 We don't know what's been made secret.

00:52:05.120 So, you can see what's there and you can see, for example, I can see by looking at the HHS budget how much we're spending to poison America.

00:52:15.740 So, you know, I can see a lot.

00:52:17.280 A lot.

00:52:17.740 A lot.

00:52:18.420 Yeah, no, it's huge.

00:52:20.020 And, you know, we're bankrupting the country, poisoning America.

00:52:22.960 But, you know, I don't know what's not there.

00:52:27.480 In other words, a secret group of people by a secret process have taken out whatever they want and I don't know what they've taken out.

00:52:34.400 I don't know.

00:52:35.880 Doesn't mean anything to me.

00:52:38.080 I mean, would it be possible to audit the federal budget?

00:52:41.540 You would have to audit the bank statements.

00:52:46.200 You would have to audit.

00:52:47.900 People say we want to audit the Fed.

00:52:49.860 No, you want to audit the federal accounts at the New York Fed and you want to audit the exchange stabilization fund at the New York Fed.

00:53:00.040 That's what you want to audit.

00:53:01.120 And what you want to find out is where did the $21 trillion go or come in?

00:53:07.360 You know, all the federal government has refused to balance its accounts since the mid-90s.

00:53:14.360 And we know that there are inexplicable, undocumented adjustments of enormous amounts.

00:53:21.060 And the only way you can figure out what happened is to go into those bank accounts and figure out what came in and what went out and to actually map out the actual cash.

00:53:32.720 And you have to do it not just in the, you know, so the New York Fed is depository for the U.S. government.

00:53:38.360 So you have to do it in those accounts.

00:53:39.920 But you also have to look at the borrowing accounts and the slush fund accounts, which is the exchange stabilization fund.

00:53:45.240 Has anyone attempted to do any of that?

00:53:46.960 And so, you know, Rand Paul and his father and Congressman Massey have talked about auditing the accounts.

00:53:57.080 And it's funny because Massey and I were at a great conference once and he was talking about shutting down the Fed.

00:54:02.980 And I kept saying, no, no, you don't shut it down until you get the $21 trillion back.

00:54:07.040 Otherwise, they get to keep the $21 trillion.

00:54:10.280 So Thomas was up giving a wonderful speech and he said, you know, I think we should shut down the Fed.

00:54:15.940 And then he looked at me and he said, after we get Catherine's money back.

00:54:20.020 Can I ask just quick about Massey?

00:54:22.500 He's obviously gotten into a very personal altercation with the president ongoing.

00:54:27.700 There's the question of AIPAC.

00:54:29.060 He was one of the few people who didn't take AIPAC money.

00:54:32.580 But the all-out effort to destroy him, I just feel like there's something more than just getting in a tiff with Trump for not taking AIPAC money.

00:54:39.180 So here's what's at the heart of Massey's fight.

00:54:43.800 Yeah.

00:54:44.340 And, you know, are we going to be run by the rule of law or are we going to be run by a secret governance system, essentially consolidating things into what I would call the mega rich who are above the law?

00:54:58.980 You know, this is fundamentally about is there going to be the rule of law or not?

00:55:05.220 And, you know, the thing I love about Massey, he's an engineer.

00:55:10.140 And if you talk with him or listen to him about a wide range of subjects, you know, starting with food and agriculture, he is ruthlessly focused on what is productive, on what makes economic sense.

00:55:25.060 And what he knows is that the centralization of control is destroying productivity.

00:55:33.500 It's destroying wealth.

00:55:35.280 And he knows that, you know, whether it's family wealth or community wealth, you cannot have a civilization.

00:55:44.700 You know, you cannot have a civilization if you have a society that is this enormously destructive of individual sovereignty and individual and family wealth.

00:55:57.540 And so he's literally, if you look at all these different areas, he's just constantly moving out, making, you know, trying to do what makes sense.

00:56:06.620 And his understanding, because he's been an entrepreneur and a small businessman and a farmer and a rancher, he understands the economics bottom up.

00:56:18.020 One of my favorite Thomas Massey stories I heard on your show, which was an amazing interview.

00:56:23.000 I always make young people watch at least the second half of your interview with Massey.

00:56:27.500 The off-grid part.

00:56:28.320 Yeah, when he's talking about how he figures, he gets, he busts the, he's the county mayor, essentially, and he busts the prisoners out of the jail to help them install a new hot water heater, because they can't afford to buy, you know, they have to buy a used one, they can't afford to buy a new one.

00:56:45.740 Okay, so that's, you know, that's exactly the story.

00:56:49.420 That's a building wealth story.

00:56:51.480 Right?

00:56:52.360 Yeah.

00:56:52.920 Yeah.

00:56:54.400 Yeah, what's happened is so sad.

00:56:56.360 It's hard to believe.

00:56:58.320 It's one of the finest people I've ever met in Washington, and it's just gone in this direction that's not helping anybody.

00:57:06.960 You think?

00:57:09.540 Well, you know, I tend to have a pretty shallow analysis, so when I say it's helping no one, I'm not confident it's helping no one.

00:57:17.300 Our number one problem is the secret governance system.

00:57:20.380 I agree with that.

00:57:21.080 And he's going right at the heart of the issue, not because he wanted to, but because he's trying to do all these fundamentally productive things.

00:57:28.320 Right.

00:57:28.820 In five or ten different hearings.

00:57:29.860 None of us wanted any of these fights, actually.

00:57:31.760 Right.

00:57:31.980 I think it's fair to say he didn't really want these fights either.

00:57:34.980 Right.

00:57:35.280 Well, here's the thing.

00:57:36.340 So, if I was, you know, if suddenly tomorrow, you know, I got, I was in charge, you know, I was the dictator in charge.

00:57:44.940 First thing I'd do is I'd outlaw dual citizenship, you know, in an important governmental position. 1.00

00:57:51.300 Right.

00:57:51.500 And, you know, and that goes to the heart of the secret governance system and backdoor control.

00:57:57.820 How does dual citizenship go to the heart of secret governance?

00:58:02.160 Because the secret governance system controls through allowing people to operate above the law or have different incentives that put them outside of the system.

00:58:14.840 And I think the dual citizenship is part of that process.

00:58:19.820 At the most obvious level, you can be indicted for a crime in the United States and flee to the other country whose passport you hold.

00:58:27.060 Right.

00:58:27.320 So, look at the sex offenders who literally have done terrible things with children in this country who've fleed to Israel and are protected.

00:58:37.720 Dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of them, not just a few.

00:58:41.680 We had a high profile example of this recently, but it's been going on a really long time.

00:58:46.420 That's the obvious, that's the most shocking kind of way.

00:58:49.040 Wait, how do you get to, you know, try to molest a child and then flee to our closest ally and stay safe?

00:58:54.740 But you're saying that this same principle applies to financial crimes and governance.

00:58:58.700 So, I suspect one of the things I've never known is what is the full benefits of dual citizenship.

00:59:04.660 But I suspect there are financial benefits as well.

00:59:07.560 Tell me what that means.

00:59:09.180 So, it could mean many things.

00:59:11.100 It could be the ability to keep money in Israel or through Israel off books, not subject to taxes.

00:59:18.680 It could mean many things.

00:59:20.000 It could just mean, you know, financial rewards that are completely, you know, on the face of it, legal.

00:59:26.900 But I'll give you an example.

00:59:28.160 We've just seen two arrests in the UK coming out of the Epstein files, not for anything to do with sex, but the fact that they had compromised state secrets.

00:59:40.560 So, but presumably, they did that in exchange for, you know, various benefits of being part of the network.

00:59:52.020 What is the network?

00:59:54.260 In that case, I would, well, I would call it the Epstein network, but I'd really call it the Rothschild network. 0.96

01:00:01.100 So, big picture, the takeaway from my perspective from the Epstein cursory reading of two million pages is that there's a government or a governance structure above governments.

01:00:14.280 So, I would say that there are investment networks, and if you look at what Epstein, if you come to Solaria, we have a commentary up called, was Jeffrey Epstein the father of programmable money?

01:00:27.940 Which I believe, you know, the answer is yes, or certainly one of them.

01:00:31.180 And if you read, we're pointing to a Substack series written by a guy who writes anonymously under the name ESC, as in escape, ESC.

01:00:42.240 And it's a marvelous thing, very well documented back to the Epstein files that we've now received, describing how Epstein, who I believe was laundering money, was allocating that money to all these different projects that helped develop crypto and programmable money.

01:01:01.180 And, but what he describes in the process of one of those Substacks is traditionally, historically, for the last 150 years, how the Rothschild networks, and I would include Rockefeller and Rothschild as a sort of central banking network together, how they operate, both the family and then people who are sort of, ESC calls them the switchboard, the agents who sort of coordinate between the different houses and the network.

01:01:28.960 And in one sense, it's a very informal network, but because it has the blessing of the central bankers, it receives a lot of protection from the intelligence agencies.

01:01:39.600 And, you know, it's a networking function.

01:01:42.040 And he does a very good job of describing how it operates as a functional matter.

01:01:47.320 And that's, everything he writes is exactly what I saw in Washington and Wall Street.

01:01:52.720 You have a layer of equity pools in and around the central banks that are engaged in trying to build forward in a variety of ways and position money and manage risk.

01:02:06.120 And they are literally increasingly above the law.

01:02:09.680 And they don't seem directly tied to any particular country.

01:02:16.040 They're sort of above countries.

01:02:17.880 Yeah.

01:02:18.400 You know, they can operate within a country sphere, you know, but Epstein was basically global.

01:02:27.140 And if you look at the programmable money and what he was doing to build programmable money, that required operation in both Europe, the United States, and around the world.

01:02:36.720 Can I ask you a question that occurs?

01:02:40.040 So if you, China's economy is now bigger than the United States is, clearly China is going to be, at some point, likely the dominant world power.

01:02:52.140 I don't necessarily believe that.

01:02:53.780 You don't?

01:02:54.300 No.

01:02:54.580 Okay.

01:02:55.340 Well, the nature of the Chinese government and civilizations seem to make it kind of impervious to this sort of stuff. 0.98

01:03:05.000 Like, China's an ethno-state.

01:03:06.980 Right.

01:03:07.480 A Han Chinese ethno-state. 0.56

01:03:09.080 Right.

01:03:09.180 So I don't think they're going to be doing a lot of dual citizenship type stuff in China.

01:03:14.660 No.

01:03:15.040 And I don't believe the Chinese government is going to allow its authority to be challenged by international pools of capital, at least in the East.

01:03:25.560 Right.

01:03:25.820 Because it's going to control the East. 1.00

01:03:27.380 Right?

01:03:27.820 I think.

01:03:28.420 Right.

01:03:30.280 So China is like a roadblock to these forces.

01:03:34.000 So the question is, you know, China was developed by Europe and U.S. capital.

01:03:41.840 Right.

01:03:42.320 And so the question is, you know, what obligations does China have to European and U.S. capital?

01:03:49.480 And I don't know the answer.

01:03:50.600 China's strength is if you look at what they're doing with technology, their innovation and speed is astonishing and very, very impressive.

01:04:01.440 And it's racing by the United States right now.

01:04:04.420 So if you look at their demographic issues and they have very serious demographic issues and they have a very serious real estate crisis to be managed that has profound implications with the demographic problem.

01:04:21.860 And because a lot of the retirement saving was put in real estate and now that real estate is down and they have an aging population, they've got some real issues.

01:04:31.520 So they have a lot to manage and a lot of how they do depends on how successful their Silk Road innovation, you know, sort of investments work out for them.

01:04:42.320 So, but I'm not convinced that they necessarily have to end up as the dominant world power.

01:04:50.160 If you, you know, they've worked very hard for the last 10 to 15 years to make their currency acceptable as one of the basket of reserve currencies.

01:05:00.620 And yet, if you look at how much the market share, it's limited.

01:05:08.200 And I think one reason is the distrust of the Chinese is extraordinary because they are deeply, deeply committed to the superiority of the Han people. 0.98

01:05:20.760 And so if you look at different experiences people have had with the Chinese, I think they have a real challenge to build trust.

01:05:28.380 Now, the U.S. was able to build that kind of trust.

01:05:31.860 Now we're blowing it.

01:05:33.180 So, you know, the question is how fast can they build it versus how fast are we going to blow it?

01:05:40.880 I want to get back to programmable digital currency really quick.

01:05:44.220 How far are we from like universal adoption in the West?

01:05:48.720 And when and if that comes, what will it mean for like the average person?

01:05:52.940 Okay, so let's go back to the Clarity Act.

01:05:54.840 So stable coins are the, you know, trading the treasury bills.

01:05:59.940 Yeah.

01:06:00.540 And I think treasury's hope is that they can attract, you know, several billion, anywhere from four to ten billion trillion dollars into the treasury market with this mechanism by offering it globally.

01:06:15.840 And if it's very successful at a retail level, it's going to pull a lot of money out of local banking systems all over the world.

01:06:22.360 What's the advantage to using a stable coin?

01:06:24.840 You know, I can't, stable coin proponents will say that it lowers transaction fees, which will probably be true internationally.

01:06:35.140 But frankly, I can't think of one reason why I would ever, I have no intention of using any of them.

01:06:41.540 So the last thing I want.

01:06:42.720 You're against it, like philosophically and for, you know, for the reasons you've articulated, but it's like Amazon, Amazon's obviously bad, but everyone uses it because there are clear benefits.

01:06:52.480 It's like, it's cheap, it's fast.

01:06:54.400 Right.

01:06:54.580 Are there clear benefits to the consumer in stable coin?

01:06:58.520 So what will really come down is if you want to use a system on your mobile payment phone, you know, which will be better, Venmo or the stable coin?

01:07:06.860 And it depends, a lot of that depends on what comes out in the negotiation next.

01:07:15.280 And I'll get to that in a second.

01:07:16.960 If the fintech firms can offer rewards and interest, then they can make it very attractive to use a stable coin.

01:07:26.840 And, but it's not clear, it's not clear how that's going to sort out.

01:07:32.380 Sounds like the U.S. government needs the stable coin in order to keep treasuries selling.

01:07:39.380 You know, if you look at how much they say they're hoping to get, it's not that, it's not going to make the big difference.

01:07:47.940 Okay.

01:07:48.680 Now let's talk about asset tokens because that's where the big float is going to come.

01:07:53.620 So the Clarity Act is what is creating the, as the Genius Act created the framework for stable coins, the Clarity Act and its Senate version is creating the framework for digital assets and digital tokens.

01:08:10.680 Now, Larry Fink and BlackRock have said they're planning on trading all stocks and bonds using tokens or digital assets.

01:08:19.180 So they have not been clear operationally exactly how this is going to work.

01:08:25.060 But what it means is this is going to be, you know, potentially a hundred, two hundred, three hundred trillion dollar market if they do it.

01:08:33.180 And what that means is they want to be able to trade all financial assets worldwide on a distributive ledger that can be turned into programmable money.

01:08:42.420 Now, if you talk to the people who are issuing stable coins now or working on the Clarity Act, they say, oh, we would never do that.

01:08:50.520 That's CBDC.

01:08:51.960 But in fact, if you look at the stable coin bill, the Genius Act, it is set up and we have a big article about this on Solari.

01:08:59.420 It is set up so that all stable coin issuers have to plug into the Treasury's pipe where the Treasury applies its know-your-customer, money laundering, and sanctions.

01:09:11.840 And if you look at that pipe, that pipe can be integrated with a full social credit system.

01:09:17.580 So whereas CBDC applies the rules through the central bank, the stable coins apply the rules through the Treasury.

01:09:24.420 And so if we are working with states, we have, Solari has model legislation on stopping programmable money from being misused.

01:09:36.100 And what we are saying to the states is, look, before the horse leaves the barn, you have to put the bridle and the saddle on the horse.

01:09:43.460 And so states can outlaw this.

01:09:44.960 And we're trying to get the states to make sure, because Treasury is saying, oh, we would never do that.

01:09:49.920 Or the stable companies are saying, oh, we would never do that.

01:09:52.560 And we're saying, if you would never do that, you don't mind if we pass a law that says you can't do that, right?

01:09:59.120 Do they mind?

01:10:01.140 They don't seem to be enthusiastic about it.

01:10:03.940 And one of the interesting things is the Clarity Act has a provision that outlaws central bank digital currency.

01:10:10.320 It's been thrown out of the Senate version.

01:10:13.620 Apparently, they want to reserve the right of the central bank to do that.

01:10:16.740 And apparently, congressmen have said that, both in the NDAA and another piece of legislation, the Speaker, Speaker Johnson, has stopped their amendments to stop central bank digital currency.

01:10:29.100 They said he promised them that he would outlaw it.

01:10:32.060 You know, the president had an executive order, promised, they believe they were promised that it would be turned into law.

01:10:38.780 Johnson has blocked it both times.

01:10:40.340 So, I'm deeply suspicious because if you look at what you can do with stable coins and digital tokens and digital assets, you can implement all programmable money.

01:10:53.500 But if you leave the authority open to do CBDC, at some point, the central banks can come along once the system has gotten going.

01:11:00.000 And so, my attitude is, look, if you guys say you're not going to do this, we can outlaw it now.

01:11:05.620 Again, put the bridle and the, you know, the saddle on the horse before you leave the barn.

01:11:10.600 And the barn, you know, if you end up with $250 trillion outstanding and you haven't put the bridle and saddle on, you got a problem.

01:11:18.500 What would be the effect if we wind up with digital programmable currency?

01:11:22.680 So, if we wind up with a 100% digital system, no cash, no paper money.

01:11:32.900 We're moving there fast.

01:11:34.420 We're moving there, although we're trying to slow it down.

01:11:38.620 So, remember, if, you know, if millions of Americans start using cash in size, it can absolutely revolutionize what happens.

01:11:47.920 So, I recommend it.

01:11:49.460 But if we move there, then if I want you to not be able to leave your home, your money won't work if you leave your home.

01:12:04.340 If I want you to only be able to eat certain foods and not, if I want you to be able to eat foods made with insects and not be able to buy real meat, your money won't work to buy real meat.

01:12:16.120 So, if I want you to take a vaccine a month and I mandate vaccines for you and your family, if you don't, I'll turn off your money.

01:12:24.600 So, I have complete control of your food, your health care, your spatial travel, everything.

01:12:31.960 So, you are no longer in a democracy or a democratic republic.

01:12:37.160 You are in a slavery system.

01:12:38.780 If I want your kids to leave their home and go to a boarding school where I control their education, if you don't agree, I turn off your money. 0.99

01:12:47.640 Can I just ask the dumbest question? 0.88

01:12:52.160 Why would anybody in authority want that level of control? 1.00

01:12:56.380 Why?

01:12:57.620 What's the impulse there?

01:12:58.860 Why would you want to do that to people?

01:13:00.520 With that kind of control, I can bring out phenomenally powerful technology without worrying about it being weaponized.

01:13:10.880 So, I can bring out breakthrough energy technology and not worry that I can't control how it gets used.

01:13:18.160 I can manage a large population in a world where technology is changing without losing control.

01:13:29.020 So, I can, a small group of people can control the many.

01:13:34.900 And also, if I believe that with life science, I can live forever or for much longer lifetimes, I can either depopulate or control people who are angry that I'm living to be 145 and they're not.

01:13:50.480 And I can basically keep them in check even though, you know, so the mega rich can live a very different luxurious life and control or shrink the rest of the population, you know, without fear because they have complete control.

01:14:10.680 So, bottom line, in a time of radical technological change, which we're living through right now, the obvious, the first result is like societal chaos and revolutions and wars and that's why I got the Bolsheviks, etc., etc. 0.79

01:14:26.020 The people pushing this technological change or watching it from positions of authority know this and so the control grid would allow the transition to whatever this technological future is without the downside of like a Bolshevik revolution.

01:14:40.040 So, you know, in my experience, the people who run the financial system are first and foremost risk managers.

01:14:45.700 They don't think in terms of making money, they print money out of thin air, but they're very deeply careful about risk and they're very afraid of the guillotine.

01:14:56.940 They're very afraid of the crowd.

01:14:58.560 They should be.

01:14:59.120 They should be.

01:15:00.280 But it's hard.

01:15:01.180 It's hard to manage, you know, people.

01:15:05.140 And if you look at coming into the development of digital technology and globalization, they had two choices.

01:15:11.540 They could use this technology to build something that allowed explosive new decentralized wealth to be created, at which point, how did they make sure they stay in control, especially because you have so much going on that's secret?

01:15:30.100 So how do you stay in control and can you create a bottom-up structure that will behave responsibly?

01:15:39.260 And the hard part of behaving responsibly is you, as a manager of society, have to turn the aircraft carrier before you hit the iceberg.

01:15:49.340 You don't trust the crowd to care until you hit the iceberg and then it's too late.

01:15:54.660 So you decide, okay, we need a meritocracy.

01:15:57.040 We can't trust the people.

01:15:58.620 Now, I disagree with that.

01:15:59.960 But so that was the model I was working on when I was making all this software.

01:16:04.420 So I was saying we can have a bottom-up structure that does the risk management but builds the explosive wealth and it can work.

01:16:14.420 But then you don't have an uber class.

01:16:16.980 No, you don't.

01:16:17.840 So, but I think they decided, okay, the only way we find managing the general population very frustrating, and it's back to the red button story. 0.94

01:16:28.640 We find them very hypocritical and irresponsible and frustrating. 0.69

01:16:33.020 We are very frustrated. 0.90

01:16:34.560 We are just going to go to complete control.

01:16:36.680 And they had to choose one or the other.

01:16:39.060 And so they chose complete control.

01:16:41.260 The problem is once you get into complete control, you get an uber class of people who literally think of themselves as a different species.

01:16:51.680 Yeah.

01:16:52.100 And they may be, actually.

01:16:54.060 Sorry, excuse me.

01:16:54.800 I have my suspicions, partly confirmed.

01:17:00.460 But anyway, but you're absolutely right.

01:17:02.380 The attitudes change.

01:17:03.680 When you go from being an egalitarian society or at least a society that sees egalitarianism as the goal of a Christian society to something else, then the attitudes of the people in charge become so bad.

01:17:14.880 I see it.

01:17:15.420 Well, but here's what's interesting, because I have had a very unique life.

01:17:19.700 And so I've had the privilege of living at the top, in the middle, and the bottom.

01:17:25.560 And what's amazing when you go, you know, back and forth between these different groups, the people at the top have no clue why the people at the bottom are behaving the way they're behaving.

01:17:36.080 Zero.

01:17:36.180 So it's just the ignorance between the different groups is unbelievable.

01:17:41.360 It's funny.

01:17:41.840 They, I've spent my whole life in that group and, but with, you know, sojourns into other groups and the people at the top, especially now more than ever, believe that all criticism of them is hate.

01:17:53.520 But it's just, it's unreasonable.

01:17:55.740 It's just fundamentally unreasonable.

01:17:57.000 They hate us because they always hate us because they're hateful people.

01:18:00.300 And that hate is based basically on envy because we're so great.

01:18:04.160 We're so successful.

01:18:04.960 We're so smart that, you know, successful people are always hated because of their success.

01:18:09.800 So, you know, what's funny about that?

01:18:12.460 It's like those divorces you see where like one person is totally convinced it's 100% the other person's fault.

01:18:18.660 And you're like, no, it's a marriage.

01:18:20.160 It's both your fault.

01:18:21.020 Well, but here's what's funny because, you know, I live in the United States.

01:18:24.520 I live in Hickory Valley, Tennessee.

01:18:26.080 Yeah.

01:18:26.700 And I will tell you, I've said many times, if I have to go down the river, I want to go with people from Hickory Valley, Tennessee instead of. 0.98

01:18:35.260 Of course, I agree. 0.99

01:18:36.020 There's a whole world of people who've got 180 IQ in Silicon Valley and they are stupid as a tack because they float on it on rigged black budget and federal government money. 1.00

01:18:47.360 I've noticed. 1.00

01:18:47.800 They have no insight into fundamental economics.

01:18:52.120 That's why I love Massey because Massey understands bottom-up economics and these, we have such a huge, you know, we have cycled brilliant people through universities and put them into places where they are so divorced from fundamental economics or the math of time and money because they are floating on a sea of black budget and government money.

01:19:14.820 I completely agree. 0.97

01:19:16.140 And it does have a corrosive effect on that class and then it reaches its kind of ugliest conclusion with Epstein who, like, in addition to everything else, is like kind of dumb. 0.99

01:19:26.220 I read Epstein, or illiterate, certainly illiterate. 0.97

01:19:28.580 I mean, I read his emails and I'm like, this guy, I wouldn't hire someone like that under any circumstance.

01:19:32.800 These are the people who are telling us they're geniuses and we're mad at them because they're so smart?

01:19:36.100 I don't think so.

01:19:37.680 Well, but I think they think, you know, here's the thing. 1.00

01:19:42.580 They think that many people are stupid because they let them get away with it. 0.99

01:19:49.980 You know, there hasn't been the pushback. 1.00

01:19:52.280 And so they, the more we allow it to go on, the less they respect.

01:19:57.560 Now, I'll tell you something.

01:19:58.540 Boy, is that such a deep point, what you just said.

01:20:01.360 There was a magical moment when Pam Bondi was testifying, the attorney general was testifying on Epstein.

01:20:07.800 And she said, we should be talking about the Dow being over $50,000.

01:20:12.420 Let me correct you.

01:20:13.320 She said over $50,000.

01:20:15.560 Yeah.

01:20:16.980 So, what does that mean, the Dow at $50,000?

01:20:21.660 What she meant was, so I don't know if you remember.

01:20:24.180 But it means she doesn't know what the Dow is, right?

01:20:25.820 I mean, like, it's not $50,000, is it?

01:20:29.520 Right, right.

01:20:30.860 I mean, what?

01:20:32.380 I'd forgotten that she said dollars.

01:20:34.260 But here's what was magical about that.

01:20:37.940 So, do you remember the red button story I told you about?

01:20:40.300 Yes.

01:20:40.500 Yeah, okay.

01:20:41.520 So, she was basically saying, as long as we keep your 401ks up, we can do all this stuff.

01:20:49.540 And it's okay with you because historically, that is the truth.

01:20:53.400 God bless her. 1.00

01:20:54.180 The problem is, no, I'm not, you know, I feel sad for Pam Bundy.

01:20:59.540 I don't think she's thriving.

01:21:00.460 I don't think she's happy.

01:21:01.500 No.

01:21:01.960 I'm not guessing.

01:21:02.940 But, you know, live by the Dow, die by the Dow.

01:21:07.360 I mean, so if that's the measure, if all things are okay in a bull market, then, like, what is a bear market?

01:21:18.520 What does that suggest?

01:21:19.340 Like, if that's, do you know what I mean?

01:21:21.020 Right, but here's the message of what she brought up. 0.97

01:21:25.420 If people will allow you to poison and abuse and rape their children in exchange for keeping their 401ks up, you have no reason to respect them. 0.97

01:21:35.000 I agree. 0.99

01:21:35.880 Okay.

01:21:36.040 I don't respect them.

01:21:37.440 So I'll say that I feel the same way.

01:21:39.340 Right.

01:21:39.760 So in that sense, we all got ourselves into this mess together.

01:21:46.200 I totally agree with that.

01:21:48.240 I completely agree.

01:21:49.400 I think that about China.

01:21:50.480 I think that about Epstein, there's a lot of, you know, hate toward this or that group.

01:21:55.860 And it's like, no, no, it's like a marriage.

01:21:57.360 We're all implicated in this.

01:21:58.780 Right.

01:21:58.960 And here's the most frightening thing that I find.

01:22:03.060 Because, you know, it's one thing to be in your town and make a mess.

01:22:09.340 It's another thing to make a mess and not notice that the enemy's at the gate.

01:22:13.500 Well, that's right.

01:22:14.120 So if you look at how we've allowed ourselves to fall behind in technology and in national security and in all the areas that matter to be strong on the outside, you know, we've put ourselves, it's one thing to have a corrupt leadership.

01:22:33.440 It's another thing to have a corrupt, incompetent leadership.

01:22:36.140 And what I would say is our leadership has not done, you know, if you disrespect the hoi polloi and you say, okay, I want to be the elite and have total control.

01:22:48.660 Well, then you need to be competent at your job.

01:22:51.520 Right.

01:22:52.120 And they're not.

01:22:54.120 And the question is why?

01:22:57.000 And I vehemently agree with you.

01:22:59.620 I gave this speech at dinner the other night to a bunch of people.

01:23:02.340 You know, every society in history is run by, you know, a tiny elite.

01:23:08.720 Often they're foreigners, by the way. 1.00

01:23:10.640 That's true now in millions of many different countries.

01:23:13.880 Right.

01:23:14.480 I mean, El Salvador is run by a Palestinian. 0.83

01:23:16.760 Peru was run by a Japanese guy.

01:23:19.060 I mean, this is, you know, okay, that's not uncommon.

01:23:21.720 And there's always a Brahmin class.

01:23:23.400 Always.

01:23:24.160 I'm not mad about any of that, actually.

01:23:26.560 What makes the West so different, the English-speaking countries. 1.00

01:23:32.340 Is that their populations are all dying.

01:23:35.780 So, it does seem like it's more than incompetence.

01:23:38.080 It seems like hate to me.

01:23:39.640 At least as measured by its results.

01:23:41.560 Right.

01:23:42.220 Right.

01:23:42.560 So, there is definitely a targeting and a destruction of that.

01:23:45.480 That's the way it seems to me.

01:23:46.540 It's like, okay, so you're in charge.

01:23:49.000 We make a bunch of money.

01:23:50.120 You get the most of it because you're in charge.

01:23:52.280 That's corrupt.

01:23:53.400 Yes.

01:23:54.080 But it's also just the rule.

01:23:56.820 I can live with that.

01:23:58.000 But if you're trying to kill me, even as you're extracting the fruit of my toil, then it's like, no, no, no.

01:24:04.640 This is an undeclared war against me.

01:24:06.560 That's what I perceive.

01:24:07.960 That war is on.

01:24:08.940 But if you look at who's implementing that war, they don't have a culture, an ethic, or a Mandarin class that can go the distance.

01:24:16.080 I agree with that strongly.

01:24:18.420 So, I mean.

01:24:19.920 Can you flesh it out a little bit?

01:24:21.420 Yes.

01:24:21.720 That ruling class isn't designed to survive and thrive.

01:24:25.160 Is that what you're saying?

01:24:25.820 They're going to fail.

01:24:27.360 I'm sure they're going to fail.

01:24:29.120 Now, I don't underestimate the damage they can do before they fail.

01:24:32.880 But, you know, one thing I will say about China, if there's an argument for China's success, it is because it has a Mandarin class and it has a tradition, you know, of hundreds of years of that Mandarin class.

01:24:44.940 And that's what you need.

01:24:46.400 The reason I left Washington in 1998 and I said, I'm out, these guys are going to fail, is, you know, whether it's the group destroying the, you know, our equivalent of the Mandarin class or the Mandarin class itself, they did not have a culture, an ethic, a vision that could go the distance. 0.65

01:25:04.300 They weren't good to build an advanced civilization.

01:25:07.900 They didn't have what it took.

01:25:09.300 What an interesting observation.

01:25:11.400 So, what does a successful ruling class have?

01:25:14.120 What is the culture that we don't have, that China does? 1.00

01:25:18.040 It has a culture.

01:25:20.280 It has a commitment to the long term.

01:25:22.880 Yeah.

01:25:23.200 So, it has a long term arc and it has the discipline to achieve that by keeping each, making each individual sovereign with integrity, but disciplined to the vision and the order.

01:25:39.820 So, you know, it doesn't let the power go to its head.

01:25:45.280 I'll never forget when I first went to Washington, I was, I had been trained my whole life to deal with massive amounts of financial power without letting it go to my head.

01:25:55.960 And you got to Washington and you could look around the room and you could see the people who also had that training.

01:26:02.760 They knew this was not their money or their credit.

01:26:05.920 It belonged to the country and they were there as a fiduciary for a temporary period of time to manage it.

01:26:13.560 And they took the time to understand the laws and the rules and to collaborate with other people to do so.

01:26:20.600 You got other people who were there, didn't have that background or training and suddenly it's my money, it's my portfolio, it goes to their head and they literally, you know, they get drunk on power and they can't handle it.

01:26:33.900 It's like looking at an electrical system that can't handle that voltage.

01:26:38.560 And, and they, they, you know, they melt down.

01:26:42.540 It burns the house down.

01:26:43.620 It burns the house down. 0.99

01:26:44.820 And what you had, you've gone through a process in Washington where I saw all the people who had been trained the way I had been trained who got pushed out because they wouldn't break the law and they wouldn't do stupid things. 0.81

01:26:57.040 And they got pushed out and you just got yes men, yes men, yes men.

01:27:00.680 And now, now you've got something that has no, it doesn't have a culture that can handle the voltage.

01:27:08.560 So, I feel like you see this even now. 0.76

01:27:15.200 I noticed this during the trans thing, you know, I felt, felt like our leaders were pushing the transgender lunacy on everybody. 1.00

01:27:23.500 Right.

01:27:23.880 But then I noticed that their own children, probably in higher proportion, were also falling prey to it.

01:27:28.620 Same with drugs.

01:27:29.400 Right.

01:27:29.600 They pushed drugs on the population, but their kids OD'd too.

01:27:32.280 Right.

01:27:32.920 So, it's like, hmm, they kind of believe these lies.

01:27:38.840 It's not just an effort to genocide the population, which it is as well. 0.94

01:27:42.300 Well, because you're, you're, you're not talking about the top guys.

01:27:44.700 You're talking about the sort of the middle, the implementers.

01:27:48.740 Right.

01:27:49.700 So, yeah, they're in the trance too.

01:27:52.800 And everybody's thinking they're a genius, you know, because they're.

01:27:56.020 Where does this go over the next 10 years?

01:27:58.960 You know something?

01:28:00.160 We are, we are in a very interesting position.

01:28:03.980 I said it to the Solari team at the beginning of the year.

01:28:07.720 Our, our, our motto for this year is rock and roll.

01:28:10.940 Because the disruption is not only so chaotic and unpredictable, you know, it's impossible

01:28:17.520 to predict it.

01:28:18.960 Because you're talking, when, when you have, if you go back and you look at when information

01:28:23.000 technology innovates dramatically, like, you know, the telephone or the telegraph, what

01:28:29.600 happens is you not only dramatically improve the, or speed up the innovation in each area,

01:28:36.140 but the connections and integration between areas in ways that, you know, it's beyond

01:28:41.940 our.

01:28:42.360 You couldn't anticipate.

01:28:43.520 You can't anticipate, you can't predict it.

01:28:46.400 And, and so if you look at the speed of change, it's, but I, I think if you look at every group

01:28:54.820 I watch, you know, geopolitically or financially, events are going to outrun us all and they're

01:29:01.440 going to surprise us all.

01:29:02.580 And so we're going into an out of control situation.

01:29:07.020 Now the, the people who run, in my experience, the people who run the financial system always

01:29:11.560 have a plan B, C, D, and have thought things ahead.

01:29:15.220 How they're going to manage this, I don't know.

01:29:18.620 So how does the average person respond to it?

01:29:21.100 With faith.

01:29:22.640 With faith?

01:29:23.720 Yeah.

01:29:25.280 Faith in?

01:29:26.860 Faith.

01:29:27.260 So I believe, so I told you I was going to give you some homework.

01:29:31.360 So here's my.

01:29:32.560 I welcome it.

01:29:34.360 Here's my favorite new book.

01:29:36.260 It's called, and we're just about to publish an amazing interview with the, with the author.

01:29:42.860 It's called A New Science of Heaven by Robert Temple.

01:29:45.940 Okay.

01:29:47.180 And it's about plasma.

01:29:48.940 Our annual wrap up is, and we'll send you a copy, is on plasma.

01:29:52.780 I'm writing it down.

01:29:53.460 Okay, now, 99% of the universe is made up of plasma.

01:29:57.940 And if you go back and.

01:29:59.020 I'll confess I have no idea what plasma is.

01:30:01.000 Don't ask me to explain it.

01:30:03.520 Well, it's about 90% of the universe.

01:30:05.380 99.

01:30:05.980 99% of the universe.

01:30:07.320 And if you go back and listen to people like David Bohm, the great physicist, they would

01:30:11.880 sort of intimate this.

01:30:13.160 But Temple, Dr. Robert Temple, has now written a book that really goes through all the science

01:30:18.220 of it.

01:30:18.540 And what Temple says is that plasma is alive and intelligent.

01:30:23.760 Okay, which brings all new meaning to the notion of he lives.

01:30:28.640 What he's saying is the universe is alive and intelligent.

01:30:32.060 Now, I, throughout my history, and it's.

01:30:35.260 I feel that, don't you?

01:30:36.760 It is true.

01:30:37.800 I'm sure it's true.

01:30:39.160 It's, yeah.

01:30:40.540 The universe is alive.

01:30:42.220 The universe is intelligent.

01:30:43.860 You know, whether it's the plants, the animals, the people.

01:30:46.580 Yes.

01:30:46.780 We share intelligence, and it's not through our brain, it's through our whole body, through

01:30:51.260 our energy, everything.

01:30:53.360 So, anyway, but the new science of heaven is really about plasma and how it's alive and

01:30:57.960 intelligent.

01:30:58.560 Now, what I'm going to tell you, I don't care how much programmable money you have, how many

01:31:03.120 biometrics you have, how many digital IDs you have, how many drones, you know, DOD is

01:31:07.720 going to buy a million drones a year, how many drones you have flying overhead, I don't

01:31:12.380 care.

01:31:12.700 There, there's no way you can control the entire universe.

01:31:16.640 Do you know what I mean?

01:31:17.380 And if you understand what Temple and Baum and these guys are saying about how the universe

01:31:24.120 works, it's out of control.

01:31:26.300 Now, what you can do is you can interact with it with love and intention and integrity, you

01:31:33.820 know, but it's out of control.

01:31:35.620 And I absolutely believe that, and that's why I think this whole digital control model

01:31:41.080 is going to fail.

01:31:41.980 I just want to make sure.

01:31:43.400 You're just describing the Tower of Babel. 0.68

01:31:45.020 Right.

01:31:45.060 You're describing like the limits of human power and foresight.

01:31:48.660 And technology.

01:31:49.580 And technology.

01:31:50.120 It, it, it, it just, if you understand life, the whole thing is nuts.

01:31:55.800 Now, if you, if you look at the leadership, I can absolutely, because they're hyper materialist,

01:32:02.340 I can absolutely believe that they would think they can control it.

01:32:06.880 And I can understand as risk managers, why you might want to.

01:32:11.680 What's a hyper materialist?

01:32:13.180 A hyper materialist is somebody, so if you and I were going to make a taxonomy of all

01:32:19.020 knowledge in our world, there is knowledge that relates to things that we can see.

01:32:23.800 So this table or this wall or this painting, you know, it's real, we can see it.

01:32:28.940 It's concrete.

01:32:29.980 Okay.

01:32:30.580 So there's a material world, but then there's a whole world that's invisible either because

01:32:36.200 it's spiritual or it may be material, but it's like the Wi-Fi in the room.

01:32:40.620 We can't see it.

01:32:42.260 So there's a whole part of our reality, whether it's what I call the morphogenic field.

01:32:49.440 So shared intelligence or your energetic body or my energetic body or, you know, or the Wi-Fi

01:32:57.640 in the room, whether it's material or spiritual, there's a whole world that's invisible.

01:33:02.020 And what you see in sort of in the American culture in my lifetime is people become more

01:33:09.900 and more focused on what they can see that's material.

01:33:13.760 The only invisible thing they relate to is money.

01:33:17.080 You know, money is an invisible, finance is an invisible.

01:33:19.820 So money is their God.

01:33:20.960 Only a hyper-materialist could allow money to become their God, because if you understand-

01:33:27.300 But if it's the only invisible thing you believe in, it's your God.

01:33:30.980 But they don't know, they literally don't know how intelligence works and how power works

01:33:39.920 in the universe.

01:33:40.960 They are completely ignorant of the real power lines because they can't see the invisible.

01:33:47.460 It's phenomenal.

01:33:48.220 It's like walking around in a-

01:33:51.300 So imagine an orchestra trying to play music and everybody's in the dark and nobody can

01:33:56.660 see the score.

01:33:57.900 That's what-

01:33:58.580 And that's why it sounds like that.

01:34:00.820 That's why it's so discordant.

01:34:02.120 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:02.700 It's just completely-

01:34:04.660 And-

01:34:05.900 It's like stop it with the kettle drum.

01:34:07.740 Right.

01:34:08.000 It's time for the strings.

01:34:09.580 Right.

01:34:10.260 Yeah.

01:34:10.660 So we have, you know, so we're very excited because we're doing this program called The Young

01:34:14.980 Builders.

01:34:15.320 It's one of the reasons I'm in Florida and one of our challenges is can we help this group

01:34:21.440 of young people to get a good enough map of both the visible and the invisible so that

01:34:28.620 they can, you know, they have a balanced map and can live a balanced life and access the

01:34:34.420 power to be accessed from, you know, from really understanding and seeing the invisible

01:34:39.800 and knowing that it's very real and not falling prey to being a hyper-materialist.

01:34:44.560 What are the power lines that you just described?

01:34:47.180 So our freedom comes to us by divine authority.

01:34:50.760 And if you look at what, you know, there's one of my favorite scriptures in the Bible is

01:34:57.640 the prayers of a righteous man availeth much.

01:35:00.360 And one of the things I've learned in my life is that, you know, so I was an investment

01:35:07.260 advisor and all my clients would show up and say, we want you to help us use our money to

01:35:11.560 keep them safe.

01:35:13.280 And what I would tell you is in this kind of environment with this kind of change, you

01:35:17.740 can only be safe if you have spiritual protection.

01:35:20.540 If you have spiritual intelligence, if you have spiritual authority, and if you can relate

01:35:27.760 with other people in a way that you can build relationships of trust, and that kind of integrity

01:35:33.500 and trust is invisible, you know, but if you look at what can endure during periods like

01:35:40.960 this, that's what endures, that's what you can't, you know, Corinthians says, faith, hope

01:35:48.480 and charity. Those are the things that endure that you can't lose. And they're real. It just

01:35:55.340 takes many years of living, and living around people who do it to see that it's real.

01:36:01.500 So I know you know what I mean by this.

01:36:03.360 I know exactly what you mean, and I agree so vehemently. I wish I was as articulate as you are.

01:36:08.960 Well, but I literally had experiences where I was going to be dead in five seconds,

01:36:13.960 and a miracle happened, and it saved me. And it was, it was, you know, so I used to always

01:36:21.120 say I had one amazing deposition where I had a major spiritual protection and experience. It

01:36:27.900 was one of the most amazing experiences of my life. It's happened on several occasions. And

01:36:32.880 I said to, you know, I call the people who, you know, so I'm assuming it's angels or guardians or

01:36:40.100 whatever you want to call it. And I said, I call them the guys with the blue light. And I said,

01:36:44.480 don't worry about protecting yourself against the bad guys. Worry about getting in good with the guys

01:36:50.920 with the blue light. So.

01:36:52.700 Yes.

01:36:53.320 Yeah. If you, if you just, you know, there's not enough time to do all that risk management

01:36:58.660 against the bad guys. If you just focus your energy on getting in good with the good guys,

01:37:03.840 you will get protected.

01:37:06.360 I think this is like the gospel, basically.

01:37:10.220 Yeah. So it's, I took, I once, I, you know, when the litigation began, I took a full one-year

01:37:16.900 Bible course, which was one of the most amazing courses I ever took in my life because the teachers

01:37:22.340 were fantastic. And it was riveting. It was on Monday night after work. And I, when I first got

01:37:28.740 there, there were like 200 people. And I thought, this is never going to last. Nobody in Washington's

01:37:33.080 going to show up on Monday night again and again during the winter. Every week it got

01:37:37.840 bigger. The class grew because it was, the teaching was so amazing, but it really is all

01:37:42.520 in the Bible. It's, it's amazing.

01:37:45.160 My favorite parable, I think is the, the guy who was a good, a good year with his crops.

01:37:50.000 So he builds new storehouses to store them. And then he finishes them, fills them full of

01:37:54.480 crops and says, I'm going to take a year off and just enjoy my bounty. And then he drops

01:37:59.240 dead.

01:37:59.640 So you made reference a minute ago to art and that you just ran a piece on art, appreciating

01:38:11.460 art, loving art. Given your background in monetary policy, finance, why are you commissioning pieces

01:38:21.880 about art? What does art have to do with anything?

01:38:23.880 Okay. So I'm going to go way out and come back in. If you want to have a successful society

01:38:31.720 and a successful financial system, one of the most important questions in a financial

01:38:37.040 system is who or what enforces, you know, who makes the rules and enforces. The only way

01:38:43.540 to have a sick, a really successful financial system is to have enforcement done primarily by

01:38:48.520 culture.

01:38:50.740 Yes.

01:38:51.380 Okay. So the question-

01:38:53.860 So self-restraint as opposed to restraint.

01:38:56.040 Right. And respect for the rules and respect, respect. You know, I am, I give you an example

01:39:03.840 from Bible class. I once had my teacher in Bible class ask me about the Solari model and I explained

01:39:10.860 it to her and she said, oh, you're making it much too complicated. It's in Leviticus. It says,

01:39:15.240 we have to take care of ourselves. We have to take care of the land and we have to take

01:39:19.200 care of each other. And I said, that's it. There you go. So she was right. But that's

01:39:26.180 an example of enforcement by culture, the obligation that I have to take care of myself, but I also

01:39:31.320 have to take care of the land and the people around me. Okay. So that's an example of enforcement

01:39:37.500 by culture. Anyway, so, so I, uh, I decided, okay, at the Solari report, we have to do something

01:39:46.100 to help build the culture. And I brought you the coming clean book. And that is a sort of

01:39:50.820 overview of all the things we think are important. If you want to build a culture that will do

01:39:56.480 a really good job of taking care of yourself, but in a way that takes care of others and the

01:40:01.820 land. So, so, uh, but I was thinking, okay, what can we do with the Solari report to help people

01:40:10.200 really understand and relate to culture? So I was out in California and I had a dear friend,

01:40:16.680 Nina Hine, who had just left this big high power job as publicity in one of the studios.

01:40:23.240 And I said to her, she was thinking about what do I do next? And I said, if you could do anything

01:40:28.060 you wanted, what would you do? And she said, I would travel the world going to museums and writing

01:40:33.360 about it. And I said, you're hired. So she started a column called Food for the Soul.

01:40:40.220 And she started writing these columns. We would pay her budget to go travel the world and see the

01:40:45.040 museum. She has a, she's Polish. Uh, and so she has an apartment in Warsaw and goes back and forth

01:40:51.160 between Europe and California. And she started writing these columns. And it turns out Nina's

01:40:56.780 absolutely brilliant. I mean, just off the charts, brilliant and understands the economic and the

01:41:03.020 history of all the different art she's writing about and the periods. And these columns are

01:41:07.360 absolutely fascinating. And we started to write it. And after a couple of years, all these sort of

01:41:12.620 major periodicals started to do the same thing. Nina would get very upset. She said, they're copying

01:41:17.420 me. And I said, that's a compliment, Nina. That's great. Anyway, so, uh, it grew and grew. And

01:41:23.040 what happened is the Soleri team would start going to the museums with her when she was in town. So,

01:41:29.620 um, you know, when she came to the, uh, uh, she came to Europe when we were celebrating the year of

01:41:35.940 Da Vinci in 2019. I'm a huge Da Vinci fan. And so we, uh, the Rijks Museum in Amsterdam had all the

01:41:43.000 Rembrandts. And then we went to all the things in Italy and then to the Louvre for Da Vinci.

01:41:48.280 And the Soleri team started coming and then their wives started, or husbands started coming. And,

01:41:53.660 you know, we all started going with her. And so we started doing interviews about art and why it was

01:41:59.420 relevant or why Da Vinci was relevant or why Vermeer was relevant or the golden age of the

01:42:04.200 Dutch painters. So we have a, you know, we have a company in the Netherlands. Anyway, it grew and grew.

01:42:09.180 And finally, we said, let's, we did a wrap up called Visions of Freedom, which she wrote of all the art

01:42:14.920 that, that, that inspired freedom and talked about freedom and encouraged freedom. Um, and that was

01:42:20.520 very, very successful. And so we decided now we would roll it up into loving art and, um, the young

01:42:27.160 builder, she's teaching one of the courses for the young builders, because we think art is incredibly

01:42:32.520 important to encouraging culture and helping people, you know, sort of connect to both the material and

01:42:40.320 the, and the non-material. Anyway, so. Well, it is the bridge, right? I mean, that's. It's one,

01:42:44.880 you know, I love music too. So every week we have a music of the week on the Soleri report. I think

01:42:51.060 music is a bridge. Um, but I think art is a bridge. She, um, because of her history in the movie industry,

01:42:57.540 she also is one of the people who votes for the Academy Awards. So she sees everything and she's very

01:43:05.040 good at tipping us off to what movies we want to. So if, if art can edify and uplift a culture,

01:43:11.680 it can also degrade and fracture a culture, I would think. So very famous story. I had a dear

01:43:18.620 friend in Washington who ran the Confederate museum and he was giving a speech on Southern culture at

01:43:24.660 the Smithsonian and right in the middle of some young man stood up and said, why should I care about

01:43:28.380 any of this? And John Edward said, uh, young man, culture is the integration of the divine

01:43:35.120 in everyday life. And I later said to him, I came back and I said, John Edward, you forgot to warn me.

01:43:40.680 It could also be the integration of the demonic in everyday life. Right. And that's, if you read

01:43:46.500 Coming Clean, the critical issue is, are you doing everything you can to remove the demonic from your

01:43:54.500 everyday life and integrate the divine in your everyday life? And the more people who do that,

01:44:01.080 by doing that, I protect myself and my family. And as I detox the evil from my life, I deny the evil,

01:44:09.540 the energy and the food I'm giving it, which helps everybody else.

01:44:13.720 Well, that's my favorite principle ever. So it just to reduce it to its tritest form, change starts with

01:44:20.580 you. The power we have, I'm not saying that the political mechanism isn't an opportunity to make

01:44:28.180 change because I think in election year it is. The greatest power we have is how we use our time,

01:44:35.300 how we use our attention and how we use our money in our daily lives. And if we will revolutionize

01:44:41.660 that by Coming Clean, think of this as a detox. If you will get, you know, I call the system,

01:44:47.540 the centralizing system, the tapeworm. If you will get the tapeworm out of your life,

01:44:51.400 not only will you get stronger, but you will help everybody else get stronger because you're

01:44:57.500 denying the energy to the tapeworm. So what kind of daily rituals make that work?

01:45:04.840 So the first thing you do is you start with faith because everybody's different. And so if you read

01:45:12.400 Coming Clean, and I should say it's up on our website, it's public, anybody can get the PDF.

01:45:17.540 Everybody's different. And so it's very important that you apply the mathematics of your time and

01:45:25.500 money in a way which is energizing for you. It's got to be practical. But the first thing you can

01:45:30.800 start to do, for example, and I'll talk money because that's my love, you can use cash, okay?

01:45:37.280 And you can stop shopping, you can stop using the banks. So if you're banking with one of the big banks

01:45:43.380 that created the great financial crisis, that's an opportunity for you to get your money out of

01:45:48.380 those. But you can bank with a bank that didn't cause the good financial crisis and is helping

01:45:54.000 your local community, you know, be successful. So there are good banks and there are bad banks,

01:46:00.040 you can shift your money into a good bank. You cannot shop with the companies that are basically,

01:46:06.960 you know, building the control grid. And you cannot finance them. If you look at most people's

01:46:12.320 401ks right now, they're very over-concentrated in seven to 10 stocks that are basically making

01:46:19.100 money by building the control grid. Now, you know, many, many years ago, I was an investment advisor

01:46:25.180 and I changed my company to investment screen. And we were very quiet about it because I wanted to make

01:46:32.080 sure that we could find plenty of companies that are not engaged in what I would call systemic

01:46:38.840 organized crime or building the control grid. There are hundreds of them. There are hundreds

01:46:43.520 of great companies that are just doing the work of the world and are not engaged in organized crime.

01:46:49.020 You can invest in them. You can invest in local farmers to get your food. You know, there are many

01:46:55.060 different things you can do. But you can make sure your time and money is going to support the things

01:47:00.940 that are good for you. One of the most important is health. So if you look at what bankrupts families

01:47:07.800 in America, it's poor health. And that comes from poor nutrition and from getting involved in the

01:47:16.060 medical system in a way that's unhealthy for you. And what I used to find when I was investment

01:47:22.380 advisors is people would tell me, you know, who are millionaires and had a fortune, they would tell me,

01:47:28.000 I can't afford biodynamic or organic food. I was like, you can't not afford that. You know,

01:47:33.660 you're crazy. If you have millions of dollars in your brokerage account and you were eating cheap 0.99

01:47:38.880 food, you know, you are making a terrible financial decision. Anyway, so there are 25 items in

01:47:47.320 Coming Clean and you can go through all of them. But they're all about whether it's your time,

01:47:52.600 your money. One of them, of course, is getting good intelligence. So if they're watching Tucker

01:47:58.460 Carlson, they already know what to do. But I can't tell you how many times I had clients who would

01:48:06.060 watch the major networks and just, you know, they would have a bad map of the world and make terrible

01:48:11.880 mistakes because they weren't getting good intelligence.

01:48:14.260 Very smart, very successful people who have no idea what's happening.

01:48:18.120 Right.

01:48:19.080 So can I, I've interrupted you like a hundred times during this conversation, but there's so many

01:48:23.200 interesting places to pause. Information and the means by which it's disseminated and we consume it,

01:48:31.560 like we're at a period of real openness right now because the old media have collapsed.

01:48:35.720 How long can that last where you can say whatever you think on the internet and read other people's

01:48:40.760 unfiltered views on the internet? That's such a challenge to power that I'm skeptical it can last

01:48:46.560 for much longer.

01:48:48.120 So if you look at the infrastructure that's being put into place, so DOD says that they're going to

01:48:54.180 buy a million drones a year. If you look at the, what has been, I don't know if you saw the latest

01:49:00.440 testimony about ICE, a whistleblower claiming that he was trained to teach ICE agents how to break the law.

01:49:10.760 Um, so if you look at the drones, if you look at the, what's happening with the local control

01:49:16.860 grid, with the flat cameras, the satellites, everything, they're looking to put into place

01:49:21.980 the hardware where they can shut down free speech. Now, are we going to let it go into place?

01:49:29.600 If you look at the pushback, the pushback is extraordinary. And so it's not clear to me that

01:49:34.380 they'll succeed to do that. I don't know, but I will tell you now, if we don't push back hard

01:49:39.500 now, uh, and keep pushing back, they will shut down free, they'll shut down. Well, the control

01:49:46.720 grid will shut down the first amendment, the second amendment, rip the constitution to shreds. 0.95

01:49:51.800 It seems like the reason that, you know, everyone you run into at this point is like reassessing

01:49:58.860 all previous assumptions is because you can read whatever you want now online. It does seem like

01:50:06.320 that has been the pivotal change in the last 10 years. Nobody watches CNN. Everyone reads X and

01:50:13.460 that makes the difference. Well, I, you know, I think what happened, I think most people,

01:50:22.540 so, so I call it this way. If I have a computer and I have 50 databases and you bring me a database

01:50:29.240 that says, I've got to change my operating system, that's too hard because I've got to change 50

01:50:34.500 databases and everything. I think when you, a friend of mine used to call it getting hit by the

01:50:40.060 smite button. When the system betrays you in a way that it's very harmful to you, whether because

01:50:47.260 you're injured by pharmaceuticals or the medical system or your money is stolen in the financial

01:50:53.540 crisis, when the system does something that really harms you, it forces you to change your operating

01:50:59.040 system. And I think the pandemic, I think the financial crisis harmed a lot of people, but then

01:51:06.000 the pandemic really harmed a lot of people. Yeah, that's right. And I, you know, I will tell you,

01:51:11.400 Tucker, I, I, you know, we were warning people from the beginning, don't take the shot,

01:51:17.920 don't take the shot, don't take the shot. And then at the end of 2022, I were big Wim Hof fans.

01:51:27.360 Do you know who Wim Hof is in the Netherlands? Yeah. Okay. So we're huge Wim Hof fans.

01:51:33.540 Yeah. We're pro Northern Europe in my house. Yes. So at the end of 22, Wim Hof had just published

01:51:40.220 the Wim Hof method. And I said to, I sent an email to everybody at Christmas time and I said,

01:51:46.320 if you've been harmed by COVID, let us know and we will send you a free copy of the Wim Hof method

01:51:51.620 because we think this can really help. And we ended up giving away 250 copies because we would

01:52:00.180 get these letters, they would write in and they would say what had happened to them as a result

01:52:04.880 of the lockdowns and losing their job or the shot. Tucker, I'm not a sentimental person. I would burst

01:52:12.780 in tears reading these stories. It was so horrible. And we just kept buying books and giving them away

01:52:19.520 because I would get these letters that say, this is the first time anybody's done anything nice to

01:52:25.340 me for three years. And it was so helpful to people. And Wim Hof is such a loving presence in

01:52:33.780 people's lives. And he makes you laugh and he, and the method really helps. So, so we just kept

01:52:39.960 getting more books and giving them away because it was so horrible. And I think the pandemic shifted a

01:52:46.120 lot of people because they realized our leaders not only don't care about us, they are absolutely

01:52:52.800 willing to kill us. Yeah. I think they, you know, it imbues them with the feeling of God-like strength.

01:52:59.980 Right. They like it. Yeah. People love killing. I mean, that's why they always have. That's why

01:53:04.440 they continue to do it. They, they pretend they don't love it, but they do love it. And I know

01:53:08.020 people who do it and they love it. Yeah. But I have to tell you that, you know, if you look at the joy

01:53:13.600 that, that comes from that kind of power, if you look at the joy that of creating life, it's so much

01:53:19.920 more powerful. I couldn't agree more. Right. Last question. You got to plug into that invisible to,

01:53:25.540 to discover it and use it and know it. Yeah. God creates, Satan destroys. It's really simple.

01:53:32.280 Right. You know, pick God's team. You said at the outset of this year, I think a lot of people

01:53:36.680 approached it with trepidation, feeling like, Ooh, the foundations are definitely trembling

01:53:40.500 in the West. You, you approached it with like excitement. You said rock and roll was your-

01:53:46.480 Rock and roll. So what, what, what's that? Why, why are you optimistic and everyone else is panicked?

01:53:51.240 This is the year of the fire horse in Chinese New Year. So we're right in Chinese New Year now.

01:53:57.520 Yeah.

01:53:57.660 It's the year of the fire horse. And the fire horse is a symbol of great change,

01:54:03.380 but it's great strength. So I just bought a new mug. That's the fire horse mug from,

01:54:11.380 from, you know, one of these British porcelain companies that makes beautiful China. But,

01:54:16.100 so I live in Friesland in the Netherlands, in the North and, and the horses are the Friesian

01:54:22.640 horses. They're the beautiful black stallions. So every year in Lawarden, I was up with Michael

01:54:27.220 Jan and his wife, Musako in, in Lawarden for the, for the Friesian stallion show. And these horses

01:54:34.600 are just beautiful. So that's my image for this year because-

01:54:38.380 I was with Michael Jan at the Friesian stallion show.

01:54:41.080 So, yeah. I can't believe I missed that one.

01:54:44.520 Put it on your bucket list. It's the most, these horses are the most beautiful horses in

01:54:50.260 the world. And it's an amazing, amazing show. It's every January in Lawarden, I will take you.

01:54:55.600 I'm so conventional. I think of myself as free thinking. I didn't even think about the

01:54:59.320 Friesian stallion show.

01:55:00.220 Oh, well, but, but the Friesians are, you know, these are the horses that knights would ride.

01:55:07.860 They're chargers. They're, you know, they have huge hearts. They're very powerful. And,

01:55:15.160 and that's the energy you have to go into this year. Because remember,

01:55:18.780 if the world is alive and intelligent with, you know, if it's a plasma world,

01:55:25.020 then we have to attract to us the energy we need to build. Everything's thrown up and now we have

01:55:31.200 to build it. We have to create it. That's why we're calling the young builders, builders.

01:55:35.840 You know, everything's being thrown up in the air. And the question is, what will you build?

01:55:41.500 So.

01:55:42.260 I love it. Catherine Austin Fitz, thank you very much.

01:55:46.220 God bless you.

01:55:47.060 God bless you.

01:55:47.880 Thank you.

01:55:55.020 God bless you.

The Tucker Carlson Show - February 27, 2026

Catherine Fitts： Epstein, CIA Black Budget, the Control Grid, and the Banks’ Role in War

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