The Tucker Carlson Show - Chaos Is Spreading Like Cancer. What Happens Next？

00:00:00.000 Take a look at some video, and we could have pulled all kinds of pieces of video, but here's just one.

00:00:05.900 This is from Sunday night, and it gives you a sense of what the city of Minneapolis looks like now.

00:00:13.860 This, again, is real, and it is just a flavor of what's happening there right now.

00:00:20.760 Watch.

00:00:30.000 Watch out!

00:00:41.400 Watch out!

00:00:43.480 Watch out!

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00:00:52.080 So what you're looking at, what you just saw in that tape,

00:01:10.540 is a group of federal agents, immigration officers, ICE agents,

00:01:15.440 employed by the federal government,

00:01:16.620 stuck in a hotel in Minneapolis, surrounded by what we're calling protesters,

00:01:24.520 people who want to hurt them or screaming them,

00:01:27.580 and they can't get out because there's no one to call.

00:01:31.420 The local police refuse to come to their aid, and they can't move.

00:01:38.260 Meanwhile, people are breaking windows and stealing and spraying graffiti.

00:01:43.500 It's chaos.

00:01:44.880 And this is in an American city.

00:01:48.180 So if you've been experiencing the controversy over ICE through a couple of clips

00:01:53.840 to American citizens being shot to death by ICE agents,

00:01:57.420 and you think that that's the entire story, you should know it's just part of it.

00:02:02.520 What you're watching here is an unraveling of a city and potentially of a nation.

00:02:10.240 And what's happening is much bigger than you may understand.

00:02:14.420 It's certainly much more complicated, but its net effect is not complicated at all.

00:02:19.300 We are watching the destruction of the social fabric, of the government,

00:02:25.720 and potentially of the nation.

00:02:29.040 And so this is one of the more serious moments in our lifetime.

00:02:33.120 And what we do next, how the administration responds to this,

00:02:38.000 how local officials, state officials in Minnesota respond to it will determine the course going forward.

00:02:44.720 So the first thing to be totally clear on is that that series of images, that video you just saw,

00:02:53.360 represents the worst possible outcome.

00:02:56.180 It represents chaos.

00:02:57.380 Most Americans have never seen chaos before up close.

00:03:02.100 They therefore lack an appreciation of its dangers.

00:03:06.200 But to be clear, chaos is the worst thing.

00:03:10.260 Chaos is worse than illegal immigration. 0.99

00:03:12.620 Chaos is worse than police brutality.

00:03:15.300 Chaos is worse than anything.

00:03:17.780 Chaos equals death.

00:03:19.300 The death of people, the death of the weak, the death of countries. 0.81

00:03:25.240 Chaos is also a dynamic force.

00:03:28.300 It is a spiritual force.

00:03:30.040 Of course, God created order out of chaos.

00:03:32.180 Chaos is the realm of Satan.

00:03:34.880 But it is something that either expands or contracts.

00:03:38.620 It never stays the same.

00:03:40.240 And so left untreated, chaos is very much like melanoma.

00:03:43.800 In the early stages, you can handle it.

00:03:47.300 If you don't excise it, however, it becomes fatal.

00:03:51.940 And chaos in this country is approaching our lymph nodes.

00:03:55.660 So the question we're going to consider over the next several minutes is,

00:04:00.160 why is this happening?

00:04:01.740 And what do we do about it?

00:04:03.900 But you should know that of all the debates going on about immigration

00:04:08.160 and who's in charge of this or that,

00:04:10.200 the only real debate that matters right now is,

00:04:14.500 will this chaos grow and get worse and consume us all?

00:04:20.120 Or will it not?

00:04:22.340 So first, the question of what to do about it.

00:04:26.080 The Trump administration, for whatever mistakes it has made up to now,

00:04:32.980 understands very well that this is peril for the country.

00:04:39.120 And so the Trump administration has reached out to officials in Minnesota,

00:04:45.100 the governor, the lieutenant governor, the chief of police,

00:04:47.800 the mayor, Jacob Fry, of Minneapolis, and made the following offer.

00:04:52.260 They haven't done this publicly, but they have done this.

00:04:54.900 There are four points to this.

00:04:56.140 Here's what they are.

00:04:57.060 Number one, state officials in Minnesota agree that ICE agents,

00:05:02.840 federal agents on the scene, will have police protection when they call.

00:05:07.340 Currently, if an ICE agent calls in Minneapolis and says,

00:05:10.640 say, I'm surrounded by people trying to kill me,

00:05:12.980 the local police will not respond.

00:05:14.720 That happened the other night in a restaurant in Minneapolis.

00:05:17.340 ICE agents stuck in the restaurant, couldn't get out, had to lock the doors.

00:05:20.560 They were going to get killed if they went outside.

00:05:23.000 Call the local police, no response at all.

00:05:24.720 Why is that?

00:05:25.660 Because the local police have been instructed by the mayor and the governor,

00:05:29.320 and probably the lieutenant governor as well, do not respond.

00:05:32.300 So, American citizens in Minneapolis, if they work for the federal government

00:05:37.460 and carry a badge, if they are agents of Donald Trump, do not have police protection.

00:05:42.180 Number one, you have to stop that.

00:05:43.560 You have to respond to 911 calls from federal officers.

00:05:47.080 Number two, you have to do your best to protect them when they're off duty.

00:05:51.280 You just saw it in the video we played.

00:05:53.320 ICE officers stuck in a hotel surrounded by a screaming mob.

00:05:56.380 No one will come to the raid.

00:05:57.360 You can't do that anymore.

00:05:59.300 Number three, jails in Minnesota have to respond to federal requests for deportation.

00:06:08.640 If you have a convicted murderer who's an illegal alien or a child molester who's an illegal alien, 0.51

00:06:13.840 and there are a lot of them, you can look their names up on the internet,

00:06:16.580 and the feds ask, where is this guy?

00:06:19.120 You can't just ignore them.

00:06:20.880 You have to participate in federal law enforcement actions to that extent.

00:06:25.780 You don't have to deport them yourself, but you have to tell us where they are.

00:06:30.920 And in exchange for those three things, the federal government will substantially withdraw

00:06:36.280 federal law enforcement from Minneapolis and from the state of Minnesota.

00:06:41.740 And at that point, crowd control, keeping riots from spinning completely out of control

00:06:47.280 and burning down, say, your city, will be the job of local law enforcement.

00:06:52.900 So, just to restate, these are the four points.

00:06:55.680 Number one, you have to answer 911 calls from federal agents.

00:06:58.760 Number two, you have to do your best to keep them from getting killed when they're off duty.

00:07:02.180 Number three, the jails have to tell us where the rapists are.

00:07:05.120 And number four, if you do that, we'll basically pull back

00:07:08.760 and allow you to keep the situation from spinning out of control on your own.

00:07:15.560 And some federal law enforcement will remain to protect federal assets.

00:07:20.340 The federal courthouse, for example, can't burn that down.

00:07:23.080 And that's the job of the feds to protect it.

00:07:26.380 That happened.

00:07:27.440 And the response from officials in Minnesota was, no, we're not doing that.

00:07:34.060 So, at that point, you have to ask yourself, well, why?

00:07:36.260 Why would a state refuse to protect American citizens from murder, refuse to give the names

00:07:44.660 or whereabouts of murderers and child molesters, and refuse to use its own cops to keep riots

00:07:51.480 under control?

00:07:52.740 What could possibly be the answer?

00:07:55.880 Because they want riots.

00:07:58.160 That's why.

00:07:59.120 Because they want the chaos.

00:08:01.180 And this proves to you, if you're following this at home and trying to make sense at all,

00:08:06.540 where did this come from?

00:08:07.340 Why did I shoot these people?

00:08:09.740 This is proof that what you're watching is not a series of protests about immigration.

00:08:16.160 What you're watching are the beginnings of a color revolution, of a kind of insurrection 0.54

00:08:21.460 against federal authority.

00:08:24.400 And what you have to ask yourself, even if you disapprove of the Trump administration,

00:08:28.700 even if you have some commitment to keeping illegal aliens here, is do you want that? 0.73

00:08:35.480 Can you live with that?

00:08:37.100 Can you live in a country of 50 states that don't agree on what the federal law should

00:08:43.680 be and that allow Americans to get murdered in their cities because they have the wrong 0.60

00:08:50.800 politics or they work for a politician they disapprove of?

00:08:53.740 And if you are okay with that, have you thought through its implications?

00:08:59.300 And the number one implication is the country will fall apart.

00:09:02.700 That's civil war.

00:09:03.900 It's the definition of it.

00:09:05.400 You have regions and internal government states that don't recognize federal authority,

00:09:12.640 the authority of a government over them all, of Washington.

00:09:15.740 And at that point, what you have is warring nations within the same borders.

00:09:24.480 And then you have widespread violence.

00:09:27.340 Then you have killing at scale.

00:09:29.140 Then you have civil war.

00:09:32.020 And it's sort of depressing even to say that out loud.

00:09:34.980 And you certainly don't want to encourage radical thinking by saying that.

00:09:38.480 In other words, you don't want to kind of talk civil war into existence because there's

00:09:42.780 nothing worse than civil war, nothing more brutal because the stakes are the highest possible.

00:09:49.640 Someone has to win and the other side has to give up completely.

00:09:53.660 There has to be total surrender and total victory.

00:09:55.660 And on the way to that, there's no accommodation in a civil war.

00:09:59.340 One side has to completely dominate the other.

00:10:02.220 And a lot of people get killed in that.

00:10:05.640 Do you want that?

00:10:07.020 And of course, no decent person wants that.

00:10:09.840 Not for a second.

00:10:10.820 And so, how do you stop it?

00:10:15.100 We're going to discuss the options.

00:10:17.360 But before we do, you should know that what you're watching is clearly, provably, an organized

00:10:27.700 attempt to get us there, to provoke chaos by elected officials.

00:10:33.060 And it's hard to see that at first because the video that you see, all the videos you

00:10:39.100 see are of the participants, of the foot soldiers in this.

00:10:42.840 This is one of those conflicts that people experience on social media.

00:10:45.920 So by definition, it's mostly limited to 30 second out of context clips.

00:10:49.540 And what you see, and both sides see this, the left and the right, Trump voters and Trump

00:10:54.240 haters all see their version of the conflict.

00:10:56.940 And it's almost always limited to the people who are actually in the streets participating.

00:11:02.580 So you have the ICE officers either hurting someone or getting hurt.

00:11:05.680 And then you have the protesters doing what they do, which is get mad and hurt, destroy,

00:11:13.860 stand in the way of things.

00:11:15.220 But what you don't see are the forces that are directing both of those sides.

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00:13:57.440 So if you're on the right and anti-chaos, it's very easy to focus on the Antifa elements of this.

00:14:06.780 And they're there.

00:14:07.920 People shooting videos of themselves in their cars saying, this is war.

00:14:13.120 We have to kill the other side. 0.99

00:14:16.440 And that's designed to scare you, of course.

00:14:19.760 But it's also easy to lose sight of what you're looking at.

00:14:22.940 If you actually look at the Antifa participants in all of this, what do you see?

00:14:32.040 You see sad people.

00:14:34.880 Screwed up people.

00:14:36.700 You ever seen mugshots of Antifa?

00:14:38.920 I mean, they're all kind of pasty and lumpy and transvestites. 1.00

00:14:45.620 They look drug addicted.

00:14:46.880 They've got tattoos on their faces.

00:14:48.680 It's not an attack on them at all.

00:14:51.960 It's merely an acknowledgment that these are not life's winners.

00:14:55.880 These are people who 100 years ago would probably be middle class Americans engaged in the workforce and married and doing something.

00:15:01.260 But for a bunch of different reasons, this is what we have now, which is a lot of extremely frustrated young people who are not physically or psychologically healthy at all, who are spiritually dead, and who have been brainwashed, hypnotized, convinced somehow to give their lives up in the service of what?

00:15:21.940 Destroying things.

00:15:23.800 What you have very obviously is a spiritual problem.

00:15:27.480 And these are perpetrators, but they're also victims.

00:15:30.320 And it's so important to remember that.

00:15:33.200 You should feel horror and fear.

00:15:34.840 These are people to be afraid of.

00:15:35.960 They're genuine extremists.

00:15:37.100 They would kill you for sure.

00:15:40.100 But they're also your fellow Americans who are themselves dying in some true sense.

00:15:46.760 It's sad what you're watching.

00:15:48.600 It's sad.

00:15:49.760 This is all downstream from decades of cultural and political destruction.

00:15:53.560 Of course, this is the sort of terminus of it or the last stop before the end.

00:15:58.360 But try, if you can, to remember the humanity of everyone involved here, including the people doing really bad things.

00:16:08.740 Including, by the way, the ICE officers who wound up in an impossible situation, maybe made a bad judgment.

00:16:14.180 And the people on the other side, too.

00:16:18.880 These are all Americans.

00:16:21.240 What you should always keep in mind is that somebody is directing all of this.

00:16:26.780 There are forces directing this.

00:16:28.260 There are forces, in other words, that profit from chaos, that seek chaos.

00:16:32.580 And what forces would those be?

00:16:34.560 Well, there are two.

00:16:35.880 One is the out-of-power political class that wants power. 0.89

00:16:40.980 That's why you abet chaos.

00:16:42.140 That's why you have color revolutions.

00:16:43.720 That's why people are shot in the square.

00:16:46.360 They're literally killed in order for a group of people to assume power.

00:16:52.320 Extra democratically.

00:16:54.560 You create chaos because you want to tear down the current system and assume control of the new system.

00:17:01.000 It's the Bolshevik model, but it's much older than that.

00:17:05.880 And this is always true.

00:17:07.040 Every revolutionary movement spends almost no time trying to convince voters to adopt their program.

00:17:15.220 And instead, tries to destroy the entire system to make voting itself pointless or illegitimate.

00:17:21.900 To make the machinery of the old system broken to the point where it just can't be used anymore.

00:17:28.140 So then a new system can be built that they run.

00:17:31.340 Okay?

00:17:31.720 So there's that.

00:17:33.480 But there are also other forces.

00:17:35.020 And one of them would be, let's just say, federal agencies.

00:17:40.380 Including and especially the agencies with guns who understand that the more chaos there is, the more control they have.

00:17:48.840 And this is not alleging a conspiracy.

00:17:50.900 It's merely noting human nature and the nature of organizations.

00:17:53.980 Organizations, by definition, exist for their own enlargement, to accrue power to themselves.

00:18:03.200 That's the real reason all human organizations, from the church bake sale committee to the CIA, that's the real reason they exist.

00:18:10.620 Because that's how people are.

00:18:11.720 People get together.

00:18:12.400 They have a mission, but the real mission is to bring to themselves more power and control.

00:18:18.100 So if you're an American law enforcement agency or intelligence gathering agency, chaos is an opportunity for you to get more power.

00:18:31.860 So those are the two groups, fundamentally, who are benefiting from the chaos.

00:18:38.000 The rest of us are not only not benefiting, we are watching all the good things that we have on the brink of being eliminated.

00:18:46.920 So let's start with the first group that benefits from this destruction, from what could be a much larger and much more destructive version of the 2020 George Floyd riots, which really helped no American whatsoever.

00:19:06.520 Certainly didn't help black people, but made these same groups much more powerful. 0.99

00:19:11.400 Who are these people now?

00:19:12.700 Well, first among them is the governor of Minnesota, Tim Walls, the man who ran for vice president a year and a half ago.

00:19:21.780 This is a guy who is in the middle of the biggest political scandal in a state's history.

00:19:28.860 It's the Somali welfare scam that has just been exposed. 1.00

00:19:34.640 And a month ago, Tim Walls was in disgrace.

00:19:38.280 And now Tim Walls is the leader of the insurrection against the orange man. 0.54

00:19:43.500 So you can see already the benefit is there.

00:19:45.840 So it probably shouldn't surprise you that Tim Walls is on television, social media, constantly encouraging the kind of violence that you've been watching on Instagram.

00:19:57.440 Here's one example.

00:19:58.960 Tim Walls.

00:19:59.420 We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses, afraid to go outside.

00:20:07.380 Many of us grew up reading that story of Anne Frank.

00:20:11.780 Somebody's going to write that children's story about Minnesota.

00:20:15.420 Someone's going to write that story about Minnesota.

00:20:18.360 Now, he's referring to Anne Frank, of course, the little Jewish girl who was killed in a Nazi concentration camp after hiding for more than a year with her family in the secret alcove from the Nazis.

00:20:30.780 It's a story that most American children are very familiar with, and it's the most terrifying possible thing you could ever say to a population, that the president of the United States and his armed agents are going to kill you like they did Anne Frank.

00:20:48.800 So the people I'm opposed to are not simply Nazis in some theoretical sense.

00:20:55.740 They're coming here to round you and your children up and take them to a death camp.

00:21:02.300 That's what the governor of Minnesota is saying in public in the middle of the most volatile rioting his state has seen maybe ever, maybe even more than what we saw five years ago.

00:21:17.960 Maybe even scarier than that.

00:21:20.220 And here's the governor saying it's worse this time to the death camps.

00:21:27.940 Why would you say something like that in order to calm things down?

00:21:30.960 No.

00:21:31.560 In order to gin up fear, which is, of course, the fastest way to control people by terrifying them, making them so afraid that they will believe anything you tell them, they will follow any command you give them.

00:21:46.380 And, you know, like the Japanese in the South Pacific, they'll jump off the cliff into the sea because they've been so convinced that the invading army is going to eat them and rape their children that they will die before they submit. 0.68

00:22:00.240 That is what he is telling his people in the state.

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00:24:17.080 So, just to be clear, two Americans were killed by ICE officers.

00:24:23.640 And we can debate whether or not that was justified.

00:24:26.060 It was sad.

00:24:26.900 And everybody should admit it was sad and bad.

00:24:29.720 It's always sad when Americans die.

00:24:31.620 Period.

00:24:34.540 But watching that, the deaths of those two people would make any normal person say,

00:24:41.340 whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's cool this down.

00:24:44.180 And by the way, to restate, to his great credit, the Trump administration has had that response

00:24:50.560 and has gone to Tim Walls and said, whoa, let's cool this down.

00:24:54.520 Tim Walls' response?

00:24:55.360 No.

00:24:56.440 Because he's benefiting from it.

00:24:58.660 That's why.

00:24:59.200 And by the way, another point that I think should be clear to everybody at this moment.

00:25:05.620 Anyone in Washington still advocating for some new foreign war on behalf of a foreign power

00:25:14.340 by definition doesn't care about this country.

00:25:18.860 If you're still pushing the White House to launch a war on Iran, a regime change war later this month on Iran,

00:25:28.780 as your own country is devolving into chaos, then I don't think we need to guess about where your priorities are.

00:25:34.680 You just don't care about the United States and what happens to it.

00:25:37.320 Of course, we knew that.

00:25:38.600 This morning, Lindsey Graham is tweeting about the brave Kurds.

00:25:42.000 As the United States comes unraveled and Lindsey Graham's concern is about the Kurds,

00:25:49.120 now at some point we're going to have to think about how did Lindsey Graham and people like Lindsey Graham

00:25:53.080 wind up running our Congress, how they wind up with all of this authority.

00:25:57.240 How did we ever put people like that in charge of us, who in a moment of crisis are tweeting about the brave Kurds,

00:26:04.360 whoever they are, but there still are, as of right now, people in Washington,

00:26:12.000 Mark Levin, and many others who are so indifferent to what happens to what is supposedly their country

00:26:21.540 that they are still focused on some other neocon adventure in the Middle East on somebody else's behalf.

00:26:30.040 It has nothing to do with us at all.

00:26:32.040 Until this is solved, until the chaos is quelled, until there's some broad agreement on where we go next,

00:26:38.840 we not only have no time for a new neocon war, that is destruction, clearly.

00:26:48.140 And by the way, it is in a moment like this that foreign powers looking at us sense weakness, vulnerability.

00:26:55.120 Oh, you've got aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf planning a new strike on the Ayatollah in Iran.

00:27:01.040 Oh, gold is over $5,000 an ounce?

00:27:05.100 Ooh, it looks like the dollar's in trouble.

00:27:06.820 Now is the time to move.

00:27:08.520 Weakness invites aggression.

00:27:09.940 And we are not in a strong place right now because our nation itself, the actual United States,

00:27:15.360 the place that we supposedly care about most, is not in a strong place.

00:27:18.920 It can be.

00:27:19.660 We can fix this.

00:27:20.700 But until we do, no.

00:27:23.460 Anyone who's still talking about any of that nonsense, Gaza, Iran, 1.00

00:27:27.460 should be called out immediately as someone who just doesn't care about Americans.

00:27:33.920 But someone who really does care about what happens next, noted, is Tim Walz, because he's benefiting from this.

00:27:40.380 And the more protesters who are killed in Minnesota, the more powerful Tim Walz knows he will be.

00:27:49.420 And the happier the people organizing this and paying for it will be.

00:27:56.060 Because the point is not to push back against ICE overreach.

00:28:00.460 The point is to tear it all down.

00:28:02.720 That is absolutely the point.

00:28:05.700 And thankfully, there is someone in Minnesota who's even less restrained and even more obvious about what's actually going on than Tim Walz,

00:28:14.200 who's not a stealthy character.

00:28:15.660 He has a lot of trouble hiding obvious facts about himself, in case you haven't watched him.

00:28:21.040 But there is someone who's even worse or more revealing on camera,

00:28:26.560 and that would be the lieutenant governor of Minnesota, Peggy Flanagan. 0.97

00:28:30.400 Watch this.

00:28:31.620 If you are sick and tired of your government being ransacked by Donald Trump and his minions,

00:28:37.500 literally taking away health care from your neighbors,

00:28:41.280 stealing food off of the table from seniors and children,

00:28:44.640 and generally being uncool with the fact that our neighbors are being disappeared,

00:28:50.320 P.S. without due process, it is just called kidnapping,

00:28:53.980 then show up and use your voice.

00:28:56.600 Put your body on the line and use nonviolent direct action,

00:29:00.480 which is one of the most important tools in our toolbox to say,

00:29:04.420 I am not okay.

00:29:06.140 I will not go silently into the night.

00:29:08.780 So that's the lieutenant governor of Minnesota, Peggy Flanagan.

00:29:15.160 Use your bodies.

00:29:16.520 Put your bodies on the line.

00:29:18.560 She is encouraging citizens in her state to risk their lives on behalf of folks and their neighbors.

00:29:28.160 So who is she talking about?

00:29:29.360 She's talking about people who have no legal or moral right to be here in the first place.

00:29:34.540 She's talking about foreign national citizens of other countries

00:29:38.320 who are living off the largesse of the federal and state governments here,

00:29:43.480 who are being supported by American taxpayers,

00:29:46.360 and in a lot of cases, who've committed violent crimes, murder, sex crimes.

00:29:51.120 This is not propaganda.

00:29:53.220 These are facts.

00:29:54.040 The Trump administration, whatever its faults,

00:29:56.600 has come out and given you a list of these people, their names, what they did.

00:30:00.840 That's who she's talking about, these folks, these neighbors.

00:30:03.260 And she's saying you, as a native-born American, should risk your life to protect them.

00:30:09.060 And the scary thing is, it's working.

00:30:13.720 It's working.

00:30:15.040 So what are we looking at?

00:30:16.360 We're looking at the Biden administration.

00:30:17.800 In four years, let in, say, 20 million people illegally from around the world.

00:30:24.140 20 million people whose identities they didn't know,

00:30:28.120 whose identities they didn't want to know, actually.

00:30:32.700 And there's nothing you can do about it.

00:30:34.600 Who are these people?

00:30:35.380 We still don't know in a lot of cases.

00:30:37.400 Here's a fact.

00:30:38.760 Hasn't been reported.

00:30:40.840 So 2021, we withdraw from Afghanistan after 20 years.

00:30:46.060 Biden famously screws it up.

00:30:47.640 But we lose Bagram and U.S. military personnel or suicide bomb die on the way out.

00:30:53.800 Planes take off.

00:30:54.500 People clinging to them.

00:30:55.300 It's a disaster.

00:30:56.980 No one's ever punished for it.

00:30:57.940 The only person who's punished for it, of course, is Stu Scheller, the Marine Corps colonel, who complained about it.

00:31:02.320 No one else is punished.

00:31:02.960 It's fine.

00:31:03.360 Move on.

00:31:03.880 But it produced, as these things always do, an awful lot of refugees. 1.00

00:31:09.160 And some of them were legitimate, I guess, people who'd helped the United States over 20 years in Afghanistan, interpreters, people who worked at the embassy, worked with U.S. military, et cetera, et cetera.

00:31:20.760 Some of them weren't.

00:31:21.520 But where did they go?

00:31:23.920 Well, they didn't just all come to Bethesda, Maryland.

00:31:27.160 And a lot of them were moved to processing centers, camps in what they call the region.

00:31:34.380 Some of them came to the Gulf.

00:31:36.360 And all six countries in the Gulf, the Persian Gulf, the Sunni countries, are allies of the United States.

00:31:43.480 And so one of those countries held a bunch of these people voluntarily as a favor to the United States, the Biden administration.

00:31:49.680 And this is a fact.

00:31:51.100 And so they call up the Biden administration.

00:31:53.360 We've got all these people.

00:31:54.140 We bring them to the United States. 0.99

00:31:55.420 And we're going to take biometrics on them to find out who they are.

00:31:57.940 And there's some record of who they are, biometrics.

00:32:01.200 And the Biden administration says, oh, no, no, no.

00:32:03.140 We don't want you to do that.

00:32:04.100 Why do not take biometrics of these people before sending in the United States?

00:32:08.160 Why would the Biden administration not want to know who these people were?

00:32:13.620 Why no biometrics?

00:32:14.320 That's a fact, by the way.

00:32:16.140 But why'd they do that?

00:32:19.060 Unclear.

00:32:20.180 Unknown.

00:32:20.920 Think about it for a second.

00:32:21.800 That's not a good sign.

00:32:24.160 That's not a government working on behalf of the interests of its own people.

00:32:28.780 That's not a government trying to help its own country at all.

00:32:31.600 That's the opposite.

00:32:32.560 That's so reckless and crazy.

00:32:34.900 You have to ask, like, well, why did they do it?

00:32:37.760 And again, the answer is unclear.

00:32:39.020 We can only guess.

00:32:39.800 But we know they did it.

00:32:41.980 And they did some version of it with about 20 million people.

00:32:44.580 So those people show up here.

00:32:45.780 They're just here now.

00:32:48.560 And the assumption has been, well, those people are, at worst, just new Democratic voters.

00:32:57.320 And there's going to be a series of laws passed in the future that will allow them to vote.

00:33:02.340 Their children will be born here.

00:33:03.340 Of course, they're birthright citizens.

00:33:04.760 They can vote.

00:33:05.460 And we're going to change the balance of the demographic balance of the country so we will 0.99

00:33:08.840 always have power.

00:33:09.580 That's always kind of been the darkest suspicion of what's happening.

00:33:13.360 But that's not actually the darkest suspicion.

00:33:17.280 You can think of a few more, actually.

00:33:19.440 Why would you do that?

00:33:22.680 Makes you a little uncomfortable if you start to think about it.

00:33:24.600 Why would you move people in?

00:33:28.080 There's no record of who they are.

00:33:29.860 No way to know who they are.

00:33:31.780 You've got to suspect some of them are bad people and some of them have turned out to

00:33:34.400 be bad people.

00:33:35.980 Like, what are your plans going forward?

00:33:37.780 20 million?

00:33:38.420 Really?

00:33:39.640 But that's where we are.

00:33:41.420 That's where we are.

00:33:42.240 Let's hope that those suspicions prove to be false.

00:33:45.240 Like, what's the purpose of this?

00:33:48.620 By the way, a lot of these people who grew up in war zones and have different feelings about

00:33:52.580 violence than, say, your average suburban American does and a different willingness to use violence

00:33:58.860 than your average American does.

00:34:00.140 Your average American has never seen violence, never seen chaos.

00:34:02.800 In any case, that's where we are.

00:34:04.100 And here you have Peggy Flanagan saying there's nothing the federal government can do, which

00:34:10.100 includes not just the Trump administration, but like people in every other state.

00:34:15.680 There's nothing they can do about it.

00:34:17.160 And if they try to take a single one of these people out of the country, no matter what this

00:34:23.840 person is like, no matter how much they're taking in welfare benefits at a time where

00:34:28.260 the U.S. economy is in trouble.

00:34:31.680 And of course, we don't need new low-skilled labor in the United States because AI, obviously,

00:34:36.940 what are these all these people going to do?

00:34:38.040 There's no reason for this.

00:34:44.280 Nothing about this helps anyone else in the country.

00:34:46.740 But according to Peggy Flanagan, there's literally nothing you can do.

00:34:49.120 And anyone who tries to do anything about it is going to get stopped physically by her voters. 1.00

00:34:57.900 Lay down your bodies. 0.91

00:34:58.720 This is being orchestrated not just by NGOs and donors, whoever they are, but by the elected

00:35:09.320 officials of the state of Minnesota.

00:35:11.820 I do have a message for our community, for our city, and I have a message for ICE.

00:35:20.140 To ICE, get the fuck out of Minneapolis. 1.00

00:35:24.600 We do not want you here.

00:35:26.180 Your stated reason for being in this city is to create some kind of safety, and you are

00:35:32.440 doing exactly the opposite.

00:35:34.840 People are being hurt.

00:35:37.140 Families are being ripped apart.

00:35:39.520 Long-term Minneapolis residents that have contributed so greatly to our city, to our culture,

00:35:45.900 to our economy, are being terrorized, and now somebody is dead.

00:35:51.360 That's on you.

00:35:53.500 And it's also on you to leave.

00:35:55.360 Now, that was about a month ago.

00:35:58.980 Jacob Fry, mayor of Minneapolis, who, by the way, has nothing to do with Minnesota at all.

00:36:05.440 He's not from there.

00:36:06.220 He moved there after law school.

00:36:08.540 He's basically an outside agitator who's taking control of the political mechanisms of

00:36:13.800 the 43rd biggest city in the United States.

00:36:19.860 Federal law enforcement.

00:36:22.420 Get out, he says.

00:36:24.060 Do you have a right to say that, really, if you're the mayor of an American city?

00:36:28.020 Certainly understand feeling like you don't want federal agents in your city.

00:36:32.660 Okay, but do you have a right, an actual right to say that?

00:36:35.600 No, you don't.

00:36:37.700 Because we have all agreed that there is a federal government over all of us.

00:36:43.760 And if you're saying that into the camera, what are you doing?

00:36:48.860 You're trying to start a war.

00:36:51.800 And that's exactly what they're trying to do.

00:36:55.320 And once again, every protester, no matter how misguided or crazed, deranged, extreme,

00:37:04.420 a lot of them are really extreme, no matter how many foot soldiers die in this,

00:37:11.180 Jacob Fry, as long as they keep dying, gets more powerful.

00:37:15.660 Now, this guy's the mayor of Minneapolis, doesn't even have 500,000 people,

00:37:22.080 not even a half a million people live in Minneapolis, okay?

00:37:25.380 And yet every American knows this guy's name.

00:37:28.860 Why?

00:37:29.620 Because of this.

00:37:31.220 So typically, it used to be like in a functioning system, a mayor would come in,

00:37:34.560 and if he improved the city, he would become famous.

00:37:38.260 And if he wrecked it, he would become infamous.

00:37:40.480 But the job description was, improve the place, you're in charge of it.

00:37:45.840 We elected you to make this place better.

00:37:47.940 Those rules don't apply.

00:37:50.900 Instead, people are rewarded for that kind of talk, which is why he's doing it.

00:37:56.420 The guy's just an opportunist.

00:37:58.020 He's like from suburban D.C. or something, just shows up here and starts lecturing Minnesotans

00:38:02.220 and Minneapolis, you know, Twin Cities residents about what our history is or whatever.

00:38:06.740 No, this guy's an opportunist, leveraging the destruction of his own city and the suffering

00:38:13.960 of its own people in order to accrue power to himself.

00:38:17.800 That's just a fact.

00:38:20.220 But it tells you this is not a situation, however they may have mishandled it, the Trump administration

00:38:28.440 created.

00:38:30.060 Donald Trump ran on the promise that we're going to get these people out. 0.66

00:38:33.940 They have no right to be here.

00:38:34.960 They're not making the country better.

00:38:36.000 That's not racism.

00:38:36.980 It's just a fact.

00:38:38.060 That's an overwhelmingly popular sentiment with the public or was before all of this.

00:38:44.460 And the state doesn't want to comply.

00:38:47.420 You hate to search for civil rights analogies because that whole thing was so fraudulent

00:38:51.720 that you don't even appeal to it as a source of moral authority.

00:38:54.120 On the other hand, it is a fact that Bull Connor is not considered a hero, at least in American

00:39:01.580 textbooks.

00:39:02.100 The guy, George Wallace, the guy who stands in the schoolhouse door and says, federal troops

00:39:06.140 out.

00:39:08.180 We don't remember him as a champion of states' rights.

00:39:11.980 In fact, the whole concept of states' rights was made highly unpopular by that behavior.

00:39:19.160 Because, of course, the media swung behind the feds.

00:39:24.320 And 60 years later, the opposite is true.

00:39:27.500 And almost none of that really, really matters long term.

00:39:31.080 The only thing that really, really matters is how do we keep the country from spinning

00:39:36.060 apart?

00:39:36.580 And this kind of stuff is guaranteed to break it up and to cause real violence.

00:39:44.060 That was Jacob Fry.

00:39:45.980 He's the one that the White House called and said, look, if you'll just respond to 911 calls

00:39:52.960 when our federal officers call for help because they're going to be killed, if you'll just

00:39:57.960 try to protect them in restaurants as you would any other American.

00:40:01.040 If you'll just give us the address of, say, a convicted murderer we're hoping to get out

00:40:07.680 of our country, then we'll leave and you can take over. 0.78

00:40:10.020 This is a guy who turned that down.

00:40:11.320 Again, you can't make the point enough.

00:40:13.520 This is happening because they want it to happen.

00:40:15.360 Just like every big thing in the life of any country happens.

00:40:19.660 This is just a sad fact.

00:40:20.880 Not because some group of people decide it should happen or because it's ordained by history

00:40:24.940 to happen, but because the people in charge want it to happen.

00:40:27.920 By the way, we have, whatever the real number is, 80 million illegal aliens in the country

00:40:31.980 in the first place because both parties want it, of course.

00:40:35.100 So at a macro level, this is manipulation of the public.

00:40:37.880 That's true.

00:40:38.720 If you really wanted a country where only citizens live or people with the permission 1.00

00:40:45.360 of the government, only people who are following the law get to live there and reap the benefits

00:40:51.260 of living there.

00:40:51.820 If you really wanted that, you could have fixed this decades ago.

00:40:55.300 You'd make it really simple.

00:40:56.120 You would just enforce two things.

00:40:57.920 One, you're not allowed to hire people who are here illegally. 1.00

00:41:01.520 You go to employers and say no.

00:41:04.540 And you would check their documents just like your documents get checked.

00:41:07.820 You can't get on a plane without a real ID.

00:41:10.120 Why?

00:41:10.280 Because they want to know who you are.

00:41:11.600 All these illegals are working for American businesses using fake documents. 1.00

00:41:16.220 And everybody knows that.

00:41:17.180 Fake social security cards, driver's licenses, real driver's licenses now.

00:41:21.280 Because a lot of states just give driver's licenses to illegals.

00:41:25.240 Fake birth certificates, all fake.

00:41:27.120 And that's easily provable.

00:41:28.320 But no one really wants to deal with that.

00:41:30.620 And the other thing we do is like, how about no benefits for you?

00:41:33.060 You're not a citizen.

00:41:34.100 You're not allowed to be here.

00:41:35.060 You're breaking the law.

00:41:35.500 Why should I pay for your health care, your kids' schooling, housing vouchers, whatever? 0.59

00:41:39.960 We're not doing any of that anymore.

00:41:43.120 Easy fix.

00:41:44.380 Talk about self-deportation.

00:41:46.780 End of the month, you'd depopulate a lot of the illegal population. 0.94

00:41:53.020 But we haven't done that.

00:41:54.320 Why?

00:41:54.660 Because there's, of course, a bipartisan conspiracy to have what we have now.

00:41:58.860 And that's what you're seeing in Minneapolis.

00:42:00.520 Why is this happening?

00:42:01.760 Because the Democratic establishment sees this as the path back to power.

00:42:06.380 And oh, the cost is just destroying our society.

00:42:09.560 That's why.

00:42:11.220 So just keep that in mind as you watch.

00:42:13.900 What you're seeing through this very narrow aperture on the screen of your phone

00:42:18.200 is just a scene in a much larger movie that has a totally different plot.

00:42:23.780 And the movie is called Color Revolution.

00:42:26.040 But they're not telling you that in the credits.

00:42:28.200 They're like, look at this atrocity.

00:42:29.400 Okay.

00:42:29.940 And by the way, some of them are atrocities.

00:42:32.120 And this is in no way a justification for shooting any unarmed person,

00:42:36.000 particularly for shooting a woman.

00:42:37.340 That's awful.

00:42:38.120 And if you don't feel that that's awful, then your soul is degrading.

00:42:41.060 Make sure you think that's sad because it is fundamentally.

00:42:45.400 The question is, why did it happen?

00:42:47.100 And it happened because of people like Jacob Frye and Governor Walz

00:42:51.740 and Lieutenant Governor Peggy. 0.92

00:42:54.500 That's why it happened.

00:42:56.040 So this is clearly about power, moving power from one group to another group.

00:43:03.000 And the people inspiring violence want the power.

00:43:05.500 And they're willing to watch others die in order to get it.

00:43:09.080 It's a very familiar formula.

00:43:11.500 People are like this.

00:43:12.760 The worst thing about them.

00:43:14.280 But it's just a fact.

00:43:16.140 It's not about civil rights.

00:43:17.900 It's not about the folks or the neighborhood.

00:43:19.960 It's about taking power from someone else.

00:43:24.040 But underneath it all is also an ideology.

00:43:27.300 And it's the same ideology that has ruled this country for generations.

00:43:31.600 And it's many things.

00:43:33.160 It's secular, of course.

00:43:35.300 It's instinctively pro-chaos.

00:43:37.520 It's instinctively anti-beauty.

00:43:40.480 But above all, it is opposed to two things.

00:43:43.560 And that is Christianity and whites. 0.98

00:43:46.700 Now, why is that?

00:43:48.600 It's a tough one.

00:43:50.120 You know, as a non-theologian, I'm not going to speculate.

00:43:52.860 Only noting that because as someone who's lived here for a long time,

00:43:57.860 I've marinated in it for decades.

00:44:00.840 The two things a ruling class is object to the most strenuously.

00:44:04.620 They don't always say it out loud, though, often they do.

00:44:07.580 Christianity, not religion, Christianity specifically, and white people.

00:44:13.620 Kind of interesting.

00:44:14.720 And again, you can draw your own conclusions as to why that might be,

00:44:17.760 why those would be your operating hatreds in a country that for 230 out of 250 years was majority white and Christian.

00:44:30.120 Who knows, right?

00:44:33.200 But those clearly are the things that people like Tim Walls, people like Peggy Flanagan, people like Jacob Fry hate the most.

00:44:42.980 And we know that because they can't stop themselves from telling you.

00:44:50.080 Here's an interview she did with a local radio station several years ago in which she explained that as a Native American,

00:44:58.820 she's a Native American somehow, affluent suburb, but Native American. 0.56

00:45:04.620 Peggy Flanagan feels just very deeply.

00:45:07.900 Listen.

00:45:08.460 Unfortunately, Minnesota nice too often means that we gloss over the deep inequities that exist in our states.

00:45:19.100 We're one of the happiest states in the country.

00:45:22.620 Our schools and healthcare systems are at the top of the list on all the lists that you want to be on top of.

00:45:28.380 We've got a really incredible state if you're white, if you are a person of color, if you are indigenous, if you are an immigrant or refugee, the opposite is true. 1.00

00:45:42.860 As a Native American woman, it is not lost on me that I work in a system that was created in many ways to eliminate and erase me and our community as a whole.

00:45:58.620 So I'm not interested in just making policy change here and there, but we also need to be in a place where we call white supremacy, white supremacy. 0.59

00:46:13.060 So you could sit and parse this like how Native American is Peggy Flanagan?

00:46:17.600 How Ojibwa is she really? 0.97

00:46:21.540 But it's not really even worth having that argument.

00:46:25.020 What's so much more important to understand is the hostility.

00:46:30.680 And boy, can you feel it.

00:46:31.960 As a Native American woman, the system was designed to erase me.

00:46:35.440 Really, you're a lieutenant governor.

00:46:36.580 You seem pretty visible, actually, for an invisible person.

00:46:40.160 Right.

00:46:40.720 It's absurd.

00:46:41.880 It's felt rather than reasoned.

00:46:45.420 But it's no less significant because it's irrational because it's clear it's heartfelt.

00:46:51.460 Well, this is someone who really doesn't like the whites.

00:46:57.820 And a lot of them are that way, including a lot of the whites. 0.94

00:47:01.840 That's its whole separate question.

00:47:05.760 Like, there's no hatred quite so durable and profound as self-hatred.

00:47:13.020 The self-hatred is the one you really have to worry about.

00:47:15.280 They're the true extremists.

00:47:17.580 Which, by the way, does in part explain why all this violence in the whitest cities. 0.99

00:47:24.320 This isn't happening in Miami.

00:47:26.280 It's not happening in Baltimore, actually.

00:47:28.140 It's not happening in Detroit.

00:47:29.700 It's not happening in Memphis, the most dangerous city in the country.

00:47:32.300 They sent federal troops to Memphis, the Trump administration, to Washington, D.C.

00:47:36.880 These are all majority black cities.

00:47:40.380 Didn't respond like this.

00:47:42.800 But it's the very few remaining majority white cities that we have in this country.

00:47:47.580 They're the hotbeds of this kind of radicalism and intensity.

00:47:51.040 It's just a fact.

00:47:51.940 It's certainly not an attack on white people.

00:47:53.760 I'll never add my voice to that chorus because there's enough of it.

00:47:57.720 But it's noticing it.

00:47:58.860 So why is Minneapolis so much more radical than Baltimore?

00:48:03.960 It's way nicer than Baltimore.

00:48:05.100 You're less likely to get carjacked.

00:48:07.740 But the political intensity, oh, there's no comparison.

00:48:11.020 You're never going to get lectured about ice brutality.

00:48:16.300 Or no, you can't deport the Somali child molester. 1.00

00:48:22.200 You're never going to get that lecture in Baltimore ever.

00:48:24.640 Or Gary, Indiana.

00:48:26.300 Or even Washington, D.C., except from a professional class white. 0.87

00:48:30.880 But in cities like Portland, Oregon, Portland, Maine, Minneapolis, Minnesota, St. Paul.

00:48:36.560 You're definitely going to get that lecture.

00:48:37.700 Because self-hatred is a stronger emotion than hatred.

00:48:46.080 And, of course, that fact has been leveraged by ambitious white ladies like Peggy Flanagan for a long time. 1.00

00:48:53.960 And Elizabeth Warren.

00:48:54.940 Why are they always telling you how American Indian they are when obviously they're not? 0.98

00:48:58.240 I'm American Indian.

00:48:59.220 I'm Ojibwa.

00:48:59.980 My Ojibwa name is Proud Lady or whatever.

00:49:03.580 They're making up this absurd stuff.

00:49:05.440 Settle down, Peggy. 1.00

00:49:06.520 Why are they telling you that?

00:49:08.820 Of course, because it's so resonant.

00:49:11.980 It's so powerful to the self-hating white. 0.62

00:49:15.000 Oh, you holy person.

00:49:18.140 I mean, it's like hilarious, but it's also scary.

00:49:21.100 Because in that self-hatred are the roots of true extremism.

00:49:25.580 Just lay down in front of the train tracks.

00:49:27.580 Lay your body down, as Peggy said.

00:49:29.840 That's the short-term problem.

00:49:33.480 The long-term problem is, ooh, if you keep, if you're trafficking in race hate, and then you get power, what happens to the people you hate?

00:49:44.340 Well, they could be in trouble.

00:49:45.280 That's when you've got a Hutu-Tutsi situation on your hands. 1.00

00:49:50.300 Well, actually, I mean, this is the history of the world.

00:49:54.240 We shouldn't think we're exempt.

00:49:55.680 So this kind of stuff is really, really dangerous.

00:49:59.380 And it's the undercurrent of this whole debate over ICE.

00:50:03.700 So we hate the whites, and we hate the Christians. 0.96

00:50:07.280 Hmm.

00:50:07.640 And that, of course, was the main reason you saw that church invaded the other day in Minneapolis, in the Twin Cities.

00:50:16.360 What did they do?

00:50:17.160 They were just in the middle of a church service.

00:50:19.260 The world's only really nonviolent religion.

00:50:23.020 But they got threatened.

00:50:24.760 Their kids got threatened and screamed at.

00:50:28.360 And what happened after that?

00:50:32.040 Well, the Trump administration tried to indict five people.

00:50:34.700 But they couldn't because they couldn't find a judge to sign the order.

00:50:42.200 It was basically nullification by judge.

00:50:45.320 No, it was a church.

00:50:46.180 We're not going to do anything about it.

00:50:48.020 So you'd think people hassled in church.

00:50:50.480 They have nothing to do with anything.

00:50:52.220 The prisoners in that church were threatened by lunatics.

00:50:55.000 It's on video.

00:50:55.600 We're not guessing.

00:50:57.020 That's not a crime, really?

00:50:59.560 Well, let's go now to the chief law enforcement officer in the state of Minnesota,

00:51:04.060 Mr. Keith Ellison, the longtime black separatist.

00:51:06.540 Talk about anti-white activist.

00:51:08.080 Keith Ellison, who leveraged white guilt to become the attorney general of the state of Minnesota.

00:51:17.160 Listen to him explain why, of course, no one's going to get indicted for screaming at Christians in the middle of a church service,

00:51:24.120 for threatening Christians in prayer.

00:51:27.040 Watch this.

00:51:27.500 And the FACE Act, by the way, is designed to protect the rights of people seeking their reproductive rights to be protected.

00:51:36.980 And so that people, for a religious reason, you know, cannot just use religion to break into women's reproductive health centers.

00:51:46.540 So how they are stretching either of these laws to apply to people who protested in a church over the behavior or the perceived behavior of a religious leader is beyond me.

00:51:59.120 Oh, Keith Ellison, who's the attorney general of the state, charged with enforcing the laws of the state,

00:52:08.680 can't get his head around the concept of universally applicable standards, principles, or laws.

00:52:17.220 Oh, no, that doesn't apply to people I don't like.

00:52:20.860 They're not protected by that law.

00:52:23.420 Oh, no, anti-Semitism is wrong.

00:52:25.240 Racism is wrong.

00:52:26.500 Anti-white hatred is not wrong. 1.00

00:52:27.640 Okay.

00:52:29.960 It's the same way of thinking.

00:52:33.280 This is what tribalism leads to.

00:52:36.080 The tribalist mind cannot understand the concept of universally applicable standards or principles.

00:52:42.860 They don't exist.

00:52:44.420 So whatever's good for my team is just good.

00:52:47.380 And if it's good for your team, then it's not good.

00:52:50.740 Okay?

00:52:51.280 That's the attitude.

00:52:52.500 It's not just Keith Ellison, by the way, who has that attitude.

00:52:54.200 A lot of people in Washington have that attitude.

00:52:55.660 So just to restate, the country is built, in fact, it is explicitly built, it's designed,

00:53:00.800 its documents articulate this, on the idea that certain standards, rights, as they're called,

00:53:09.000 apply to every human being by virtue of the fact they're human.

00:53:12.980 Because they're given by the creator, by God, to people.

00:53:16.340 They cannot be taken away, inalienable.

00:53:18.540 And they always reside with the individual, no matter what.

00:53:23.340 This was the case that the civil rights protesters made at first.

00:53:26.520 They didn't mean it, turns out.

00:53:28.640 But it's still nonetheless true.

00:53:30.160 We believe that all people are subject to the same standards because they're people and

00:53:36.860 protected by the same laws.

00:53:38.100 But Keith Ellison can't even comprehend that.

00:53:41.480 He says, no, the FACE Act, which is designed to protect abortion clinics as they kill kids,

00:53:46.100 that was designed to keep religious people away from abortion clinics.

00:53:50.780 They can't pray on the sidewalk outside an abortion clinic.

00:53:53.400 Got it.

00:53:54.720 It in no way protects religious people from being threatened in church by my voters.

00:53:59.420 I don't even know what you're talking about.

00:54:04.300 Okay.

00:54:05.680 And by the way, this is the mindset that has rendered useless, except for political activism,

00:54:12.040 huge swaths of our judiciary.

00:54:14.800 This is why no one gets punished for left-wing activism.

00:54:20.140 And yet people who gather outside the Capitol with their little pocket constitutions end up

00:54:25.780 doing five years in prison on January 6th, having committed no crime at all,

00:54:30.640 other than wandered too close to the so-called people's house.

00:54:35.020 Because it's just a totally different set of principles.

00:54:37.900 Like, whose side are you on?

00:54:39.000 Your team doesn't have the benefit of protection under the law.

00:54:42.560 You don't have the right to exist.

00:54:46.040 This is their thinking.

00:54:47.140 You should know this, by the way.

00:54:48.800 And this is why what we're looking at now will determine not just the course

00:54:53.700 of political power over the next two years, between now and the midterm.

00:54:57.640 They want to shut the country down before the midterm so they can take power in the midterms.

00:55:00.660 Obviously, got it.

00:55:01.660 But the course of our lives going forward, because if people who don't believe in universal principles

00:55:09.020 or rights take control and you're on the wrong side, you have no rights, none.

00:55:14.040 Will they feel guilty about hurting you?

00:55:15.460 Of course not.

00:55:16.480 You just heard him say that.

00:55:18.480 Why do Christians have protection? 1.00

00:55:21.440 They're Christians.

00:55:22.840 It's not like they're abortionists.

00:55:25.480 They're not like Canaanite priestesses.

00:55:27.880 Because they have protection.

00:55:31.560 But like people praying in church?

00:55:34.340 So just keep in mind, no matter what happens going forward, that the instincts, the hatreds

00:55:41.860 of the people on the other side can be distilled to don't like whites, don't like Christians, 0.95

00:55:47.180 and white Christians are the worst possible combination. 1.00

00:55:49.320 So those people who have been in our government's crosshairs for an awful long time should wake

00:55:53.780 up and remember the stakes are really high for you.

00:55:56.760 Talk about a disfavored group.

00:55:59.560 And that leads to the last point that is worth making in all of this, which is there is another

00:56:07.340 group that benefits from chaos, and that's entrenched institutional interests.

00:56:15.180 It's one of the reasons, you know, Apple gave so much money to the Black Lives Matter protest.

00:56:21.640 Because like in some sense, it's good for them because they're here no matter what.

00:56:26.640 But government agencies with guns always have an interest, just an inherent interest, regardless

00:56:32.860 of who's running them at the time.

00:56:34.500 But as an organization, they have an interest in increasing their powers.

00:56:38.500 And so if you're thinking that this is going to move toward more confrontation, it's going

00:56:43.220 to get more extreme before it pulls back.

00:56:46.020 Obviously, we're praying, literally praying for this to like calm down.

00:56:49.540 But let's say it doesn't.

00:56:51.780 You have to ask yourself, like, who are the people who are armed, who have the authority

00:56:57.300 to say, point a gun at a fellow American, take the life of a fellow American because they're

00:57:03.860 doing it on behalf of the government?

00:57:05.320 It's the law.

00:57:06.120 Just trying to keep order here.

00:57:07.360 That's why we shot you.

00:57:08.100 And there are a lot of Trump voters who have kind of suspended these thoughts because they're

00:57:14.440 rooting for Trump.

00:57:15.680 But it doesn't matter how much you love Trump, voted for him, or if like me, you campaigned

00:57:20.180 in multiple states with Trump.

00:57:22.100 It's not an attack on Trump to note that, oof, you should not trust the government.

00:57:29.180 I mean, like, why would you?

00:57:33.000 I mean, in order, I think most people who voted for Trump would say, I'll speak for myself.

00:57:36.940 What do you believe in most?

00:57:38.740 Well, God, my family, decency, kindness, my neighbors, my ancestors, the founding principles

00:57:49.740 of our country, like maybe in order.

00:57:52.560 And one of those founding principles of our country is like, don't always trust the government.

00:57:57.220 Fair.

00:57:57.660 It's fair.

00:57:58.380 And don't forget that.

00:57:59.220 You'd be a fool to forget that.

00:58:00.940 And the institutions that are fighting back against people you're worried about might be

00:58:04.200 the ones oppressing you at a certain point.

00:58:06.220 So you'd be crazy not to ask obvious questions like, okay, is the uniformed U.S. military

00:58:14.360 or its leaders sort of on the side of the rule of law?

00:58:20.480 We never have to think about that.

00:58:22.420 Most Americans have never thought about that.

00:58:24.260 Then you look at January 6th, which was, among other things, part of the most effective,

00:58:28.760 largest false flag operation in the last 10 years.

00:58:32.100 There have been quite a few, but that was definitely one of them.

00:58:34.900 And the U.S. military, National Guard played a role in that.

00:58:38.360 We've never been held to account for that.

00:58:39.500 That should make you a little bit uncomfortable, right?

00:58:42.300 In fact, the whole first Trump term should make you uncomfortable.

00:58:46.780 So Trump voters are like, no, we have to trust the government.

00:58:48.680 Really?

00:58:48.960 Was that the last or the first Trump term we have to trust the government?

00:58:51.660 Was it really?

00:58:52.220 When the government, his own federal agencies tried to send Trump and his kids to prison

00:58:59.460 for the rest of their lives with the Russiagate hoax, was that actually the lesson there?

00:59:05.780 And then you have January 6th, the false flag of January 6th.

00:59:08.560 And then two years later, you have armed FBI agents in his wife's underwear drawer.

00:59:14.340 And they're there because we really believe Trump may have violated the Espionage Act.

00:59:18.980 No one believed Trump violated the Espionage Act.

00:59:21.240 You have to be a moron.

00:59:21.980 No sane person thought that.

00:59:23.640 But they did it anyway.

00:59:25.500 No one was ever punished for that.

00:59:28.840 So the people telling you to trust the government, you probably shouldn't trust.

00:59:34.220 And it's always the same people.

00:59:36.240 It's kind of funny.

00:59:37.840 They don't want any disclosure.

00:59:40.480 The funniest is all the people who are telling you have to hate Muslims.

00:59:43.220 Oh, hate the Muslims. 1.00

00:59:45.180 Ben Shapiro or Mark Levin.

00:59:47.220 Hate Muslims. 1.00

00:59:48.140 Why aren't those same people calling for full disclosure of the 9-11 documents?

00:59:51.760 It's kind of weird, isn't it?

00:59:53.540 If you really wanted to prove that Muslims are bad, you would want all the 9-11 documents disclosed,

00:59:59.120 wouldn't you?

00:59:59.620 Just so you could sort of play out the horrifying details that led to those fabled 19 Arabs with 1.00

01:00:06.520 box cutters committing the biggest act of terror in American history. 0.98

01:00:09.860 Why would you ever want to keep any of that secret?

01:00:11.560 Has Mark Levin ever called for the full disclosure of the 9-11 docs?

01:00:15.380 Shut up, conspiracy theorist.

01:00:17.720 Well, why wouldn't you?

01:00:19.020 That would kind of make your case the Muslims are bad, wouldn't it? 1.00

01:00:21.800 And just put a nail in the coffin of all the jihadis in America.

01:00:25.560 Ben Shapiro on that?

01:00:27.160 Well, shut up, conspiracy theorist.

01:00:28.580 So, just keep in mind when people tell you, trust the government, maybe there's another

01:00:35.100 agenda there.

01:00:37.400 I mean, here are two facts you should know.

01:00:39.260 I'm not trying to sow paranoia or anything like that.

01:00:41.240 But there are National Guard units in the United States in various states that are actively

01:00:47.740 recruiting right now the children of illegal aliens.

01:00:53.540 Why would you do that?

01:00:55.020 The National Guard exists for a number of purposes, but one of them is to keep order in the United

01:00:58.420 States.

01:00:58.880 So, you're intentionally recruiting people with no ties whatsoever to the United States

01:01:04.120 and giving them the power to shoot your fellow Americans as long as the government declares

01:01:10.240 it an emergency?

01:01:11.400 What?

01:01:11.860 Is that really the group you'd be targeting?

01:01:13.720 The children of illegal aliens? 0.99

01:01:15.540 So, here to end are the three potential options for stopping the chaos in Minnesota.

01:01:23.880 And there may be others, but these are the three that come immediately to mind for the

01:01:28.120 Trump administration.

01:01:29.280 Clearly, state officials in Minnesota have a vested interest, as explained, to increase

01:01:34.640 the chaos, to increase the casualties, to increase the destruction.

01:01:38.160 Their city burns.

01:01:38.980 It's a win for them.

01:01:40.460 Their protesters die.

01:01:41.960 It's a win for them.

01:01:42.860 Those are all martyrs.

01:01:43.920 Their holy names will never be forgotten.

01:01:45.780 They want this, obviously.

01:01:48.260 So, what does the administration do to end the chaos?

01:01:53.000 Three things.

01:01:54.240 Potentially.

01:01:55.100 The first is kind of keep doing what they're doing, but more so.

01:01:59.800 So, invoke the Insurrection Act.

01:02:01.780 You're hearing a lot.

01:02:02.280 We'll just invoke the Insurrection Act.

01:02:03.340 That'll fix it.

01:02:04.140 It's been invoked a lot.

01:02:05.040 It certainly has in American history.

01:02:06.560 What would that mean?

01:02:09.020 Well, it means sending more troops there.

01:02:11.020 I think over 3,000, maybe 3,500 federal troops in Minneapolis and area right now.

01:02:16.260 It's a lot.

01:02:17.320 Not working.

01:02:20.040 You could invoke the Insurrection Act.

01:02:22.320 That would sound scary.

01:02:23.700 Would it change the actual conditions on the ground?

01:02:27.440 Maybe.

01:02:29.040 If you sent enough of them.

01:02:30.660 You sent the 101st Airborne.

01:02:32.560 Like Eisenhower did at Central High School in Little Rock, 1956.

01:02:35.900 Maybe that would work.

01:02:36.720 But you'd have to send a lot, and you'd have to take a pretty no-nonsense posture, and what are the chances people get killed very high?

01:02:44.800 But you could try it.

01:02:45.920 And then you would have to kind of deal with the aftermath, but maybe it would be worth it.

01:02:52.620 Two, you could, and this makes some sense too, you could target the people in charge of this rather than their foot soldiers.

01:03:01.580 Because if you think about it for a second, punishing the human waves that have been mobilized by the attorney general, the governor, the mayor, and the lieutenant governor probably isn't the right way.

01:03:14.720 When you have war crimes tribunals, you don't put infantrymen on trial.

01:03:17.680 You put their commanding officers on trial.

01:03:19.060 Who gave the order to do this?

01:03:20.840 They're the culpable party.

01:03:22.180 Of course.

01:03:22.800 So you could arrest the governor, the lieutenant governor, the mayor, and the attorney general, and you would have grounds to do that, ample grounds to do that.

01:03:34.260 The lieutenant governor has been coordinating, according to the ICE signal chat, apparently, has been coordinating attacks on federal officers.

01:03:47.460 If that is indeed her, if the alias on the signal chat is the lieutenant governor, Peggy Flanagan, and it looks like it is, she's a conspirator in this, in an insurrection.

01:03:58.100 You could arrest her, and they could arrest the governor on the same grounds.

01:04:00.580 They could arrest the attorney general.

01:04:01.500 They could arrest the mayor.

01:04:03.700 And that's a possibility.

01:04:05.400 So go after the people who are fomenting chaos, not just their agents, not the kind of sad, pasty face tattoos on the neck people, but the actual generals in this war, and it is war.

01:04:17.460 The downside would be, what then?

01:04:20.560 There's no jury in the state that's going to convict them.

01:04:25.080 No one who goes after the Trump administration, almost nobody or their agents, is ever convicted.

01:04:30.560 We have jury nullification.

01:04:31.720 It's the law of the land, basically, in all blue states.

01:04:35.000 And the third possibility is that you quarantine Minnesota, effectively.

01:04:40.760 You say, okay, you want to live with Somali fraudsters, foreign-born murderers, tons of child molesters, people convicted of child rape, and you want to call them folks and your neighbors, and you want to pay for their lives. 1.00

01:04:58.560 Go ahead.

01:04:59.520 But we're not paying for it.

01:05:00.640 The U.S. government, federal tax funds are not going to be used to pay for child molesters and murderers to get food stamps, housing vouchers, Medicaid, whatever.

01:05:14.080 We're cutting you off.

01:05:15.580 And you want to live like an autonomous zone?

01:05:17.820 Be one.

01:05:18.660 Pay for it yourself.

01:05:19.600 And that might be very effective because, in the end, money is power, and people like Fry and Walls and Lieutenant Governor Peggy and the Black Separatist Attorney General, they want the money. 0.94

01:05:33.820 So that might bring them to heel.

01:05:36.120 And it would be completely fair, and you could tell the public, look, I'm against any kind of violence.

01:05:40.780 This is clearly going to cause more violence.

01:05:43.020 We're going to pull back any federal officers there.

01:05:46.320 They can police their own state, and we'll see how long they last. 0.98

01:05:51.840 We're going to have a financial siege of Minnesota.

01:05:55.260 Just cut off the money.

01:05:56.400 Good luck.

01:05:58.960 The problem, of course, is that you will immediately find a federal judge who says, as they always do when the Trump administration does something, you can't do that.

01:06:07.660 And so for it to work, you'd have to say, well, we're ignoring the federal order.

01:06:11.840 So at almost any turn, and this is why it's a pretty clever and diabolical trap that these Democratic politicians have laid, at almost any turn, the Trump administration is, unless you can think of something else, likely to have to say, I'm sorry, we can't go along with this.

01:06:33.700 We know these are the preexisting rules, but no.

01:06:35.860 How about no?

01:06:37.300 We're going to get to that place.

01:06:38.620 Or what is obviously their intent, this color revolution, which will hurt a lot of people, destroy a lot of property, and change the country forever. 0.99

01:06:49.000 Obviously, that's going to play out.

01:06:51.560 What will happen?

01:06:53.640 Praying for peace, as always.

01:06:55.080 Praying for an end to chaos, but unknown.

01:06:57.120 So this is one of the most significant moments, also one of the most complex moments, and one of the most distorted moments any of us have lived through in a long time.

01:07:09.240 And so to help make sense of it, we're proud to have someone who I think of as one of the greatest journalists, really, of our time.

01:07:15.940 Certainly one of the clearest observers and most honest observers I know.

01:07:19.960 And that's Michael Schellenberger, who joins us.

01:07:21.780 Now, Mike, thanks so much for doing this.

01:07:24.300 I'm just going to stand back and let you assess what you think we're watching right now in Minneapolis.

01:07:31.020 Sure.

01:07:31.500 Well, it's great to be with you, Tucker.

01:07:33.040 And I wholeheartedly agree this is an issue of great significance.

01:07:37.820 I should start by saying that the people involved in it on the left are very familiar to me.

01:07:44.000 I spent many decades on the radical left.

01:07:47.440 I've participated in nonviolent civil disobedience multiple times.

01:07:52.560 I've led nonviolent civil disobedience, most recently to save the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant.

01:07:59.080 I'm also somebody that takes physical security extremely seriously.

01:08:04.140 I've been in war zones ever since I was 17 years old.

01:08:07.120 I'm very aware of the fact that your physical environment is something that you must be aware of at all times.

01:08:16.060 You must know whatever situation you're in at all times.

01:08:18.500 And that physical security starts with knowing the situation you're going into and the situation around you.

01:08:25.620 So context is everything.

01:08:27.980 And one of the things that I found disturbing about the media coverage of this is that they're stripping all the context away.

01:08:33.700 And so you just see a particular moment of Alex Preddy on the ground.

01:08:40.340 You're missing a broader context here.

01:08:43.200 You know, I think it's really important to understand that these are incredibly well-organized efforts to interfere with law enforcement operations

01:08:53.000 by a very sophisticated group of individuals, of people that have the support from Democratic officials in the state of Minnesota.

01:09:04.140 We saw a manual that they have created for activists to disrupt law enforcement operations.

01:09:11.800 That manual describes how people should, for example, call 9-1-1 on ICE officers and deceive the 9-1-1 dispatchers into thinking that they're reporting a kidnapping by armed men.

01:09:29.660 That is exceedingly dangerous.

01:09:32.040 I can't emphasize it enough.

01:09:33.580 You're provoking confrontations between different law enforcement officials with malintentions, an intention to get people hurt, to create disruption and violence.

01:09:44.340 So I think the important thing to know about both Renee Good and Alex Preddy, these deaths are obviously tragic.

01:09:51.220 I actually view both of them as victims of the left and this broader strategy to create violence and chaos as a way to ostensibly disrupt ICE operations.

01:10:01.080 I think there's a larger strategy here, which we should talk about.

01:10:05.260 But the context is, is that they're interfering in law enforcement operations.

01:10:09.500 And the claim that they were simply observing is dishonest.

01:10:14.640 And you can see Alex Preddy waving traffic in from the middle of the street.

01:10:18.360 He then intervenes when an ICE officer is engaging with a woman.

01:10:23.720 Now, I say all this with, you know, no, I'm not defending the behavior of any of these ICE officers.

01:10:31.080 You know, if I, you know, if you have you pressed me, I think that this was not great behavior.

01:10:36.900 I think we can all look at it and see a lot of things that we think are inappropriate.

01:10:41.500 This is a force of ICE agents that was not well prepared.

01:10:45.180 I don't think it was well managed.

01:10:46.480 And other things can be true, which is that Alex Preddy put himself right in front of that officer, stepped into the street, you know, got himself involved in this altercation that he didn't need to be involved in, certainly not to film it.

01:11:00.040 So they are clearly intervening.

01:11:03.260 And, of course, Renee Good, you know, drives perpendicular into blocking the street. 1.00

01:11:09.020 Her partner was outside the vehicle taunting ICE agents.

01:11:12.800 I think it's just obvious that these are behaviors aimed at interfering with law enforcement operations.

01:11:18.040 And, again, that's not justification for the behaviors of the ICE agents or anything else.

01:11:24.700 But I think this effort to kind of strip away all that context and suggest that somehow these were, you know, observers or journalists that were keeping safe distance is just false.

01:11:34.960 It's just not the case.

01:11:36.060 I think the other point I wanted to make about this is that there's two separate strategies that people should be aware of that left-wing activists use.

01:11:44.640 One is nonviolent civil disobedience.

01:11:47.240 Incredible tradition from Henry David Throe to Mahatma Gandhi to Martin Luther King to nonviolent civil disobedience I was involved in.

01:11:54.220 The first priority is to keep people safe and prevent any physical altercations or any conflict with law enforcement.

01:12:01.600 Those efforts, in fact, should and do use a lot of communication between the protest leaders and law enforcement to avoid any physical violence.

01:12:12.020 The whole strategy is to be arrested.

01:12:14.260 That's the point of it, but to be arrested in a peaceful way.

01:12:17.540 What we're seeing in Minneapolis is not that strategy.

01:12:20.500 It is a strategy aimed at provoking an overreaction.

01:12:23.840 It's much more similar to the guerrilla strategy that was developed by Fidel Castro and Che Guevara to overthrow the Cuban government, which is to make an attack and then get an overreaction from your opponent that hurts many people on your side deliberately in order to foment a larger revolution or reaction.

01:12:44.080 Notably, that tactic, you know, it's a neutral tactic.

01:12:47.040 It can be used by anybody.

01:12:47.920 It was used by Osama bin Laden in attacking the United States on 9-11 to trigger an overreaction.

01:12:54.000 That's precisely what occurred.

01:12:55.800 So I think that the tragedy here is both the deaths of these two individuals who I think are used as cannon fodder by the left wing leaders of this movement.

01:13:04.940 I mentioned before there was a manual that was being used.

01:13:07.760 We now know there was a signal group that had at least a thousand people in it.

01:13:11.560 We now know there's, you know, Democrat leaders in Minnesota had been calling for people to put their bodies on the line.

01:13:16.940 That was the specific language of the lieutenant governor.

01:13:20.560 And we've now seen other evidence come out.

01:13:22.780 For example, there's a young reporter on the scene named Haley West. 0.92

01:13:27.360 She was she documented on video how she was being followed by anti-ice left activists in Minneapolis.

01:13:34.780 And when she confronted them, they said that they had her driver's license or sorry, they had her license plate in their database.

01:13:42.860 And she said, well, we're not ICE.

01:13:45.140 And the response from one of those leaders I found so disturbing.

01:13:49.620 It was basically, I think he said, get the F out of here.

01:13:53.260 He was just basically commanding her to leave.

01:13:56.040 He has no right to do that.

01:13:57.220 He's not law enforcement.

01:13:59.000 These are people acting as though they have a private militia.

01:14:02.460 That is a breakdown of order.

01:14:04.840 The definition of having a functioning state is that it is the state is defined, at least by one of the great sociologists, as the legitimate monopoly on violence.

01:14:16.560 Well, they are trying to take the right to take the policing powers away from the state, take it upon themselves as left self-appointed left wing activists.

01:14:26.600 That's that's just straight up thuggery or gangsterism.

01:14:30.220 And what's so disturbing about it is that you sort of say, well, we don't see any of them using weapons or it's not armed.

01:14:36.220 Well, they've created an entire militia structure with a communication system, legal system, a policing effort.

01:14:44.620 They're somehow able to run license plates.

01:14:47.900 They're able to get information from rental car companies.

01:14:51.420 It's incredibly well organized.

01:14:53.300 And I think they got what they wanted in the sense that they got they got they got two people killed.

01:14:58.300 They have successfully persuaded the media to focus extremely narrowly on the particular moment and eliminate the broader context of the ways in which the left is using people as cannon fodder.

01:15:14.300 The way in which the left is getting people killed.

01:15:17.340 I think it's shameful.

01:15:18.560 I think it's disturbing.

01:15:19.540 It's frightening.

01:15:20.180 I think that the Trump administration needs to exercise great care, greater care so as to not actually participate in the radical left's agenda to sow more discord, to create more violence, because I think so far they've succeeded in doing that.

01:15:37.080 They've made the issue around ICE rather than about the fact that they've effectively got a militia structure organized in Minneapolis that is taking over normal policing functions and then sending out people to basically get hurt and killed and disrupt operations.

01:15:57.420 Look, at a legal level, you know, one might agree or disagree with what the with President Trump, with his policies on migration, with ICE enforcement.

01:16:08.220 But the Constitution is very clear.

01:16:10.040 There's a supremacy clause.

01:16:12.080 Whenever there's a conflict between federal law and state law, the federal law applies.

01:16:16.420 There's no sort of debate about any of that.

01:16:20.780 And so I fear that, unfortunately, we're in a situation where the Trump administration finds itself in a bind, where it's got a situation in Minneapolis that's spiraled out of control.

01:16:30.860 But if it now runs away or backs off, then, of course, there's the risk of sending the message that really anything goes and that state and local authorities should have supremacy over federal law.

01:16:44.460 And I think that's an extremely dangerous precedent.

01:16:46.340 It feels in some ways like the bill is coming due on a tab that we've been running for a long time, where states have been in open violation of federal law for decades, as sanctuary cities, for example, sanctuary states, the state of Oregon decriminalizes fentanyl, lots of states decriminalize marijuana.

01:17:07.740 But all of this is in contradiction, contravention of federal law.

01:17:13.580 Nobody does anything about it at all.

01:17:15.580 So should it really shock us if there's a city that decides to have its own militia, its own private army?

01:17:22.020 Like, that's not like a new development, really, is it?

01:17:26.780 Well, no.

01:17:27.620 And I think I'm sure you've had the experience, too, where we remember back to 2020.

01:17:32.440 And obviously, the killing of George Floyd is different than the killing of Alex Preddy.

01:17:38.360 But there's so many different similarities to this.

01:17:41.080 I mean, the first one is that they're looking to create autonomous zones.

01:17:45.260 Recall that they created an autonomous zone in Minneapolis, but they also created one in Seattle.

01:17:51.700 The political leadership in Seattle, the mayor and the city council allowed that autonomous zone to exist.

01:17:59.880 And so these autonomous zones are essentially, I mean, they're illegal ceding of power from the state, our democratically elected and controlled state, to unelected left-wing activists, militias.

01:18:15.780 And, you know, two kids got killed, you know, two black kids got killed in the Seattle autonomous zone.

01:18:21.660 It took the, you know, they didn't even shut it down after the first kid was killed.

01:18:25.040 They only shut it down after the second kid was killed.

01:18:27.480 And so now we're doing it again.

01:18:29.420 You know, I think it's very hard for people to understand how important it is to have order.

01:18:37.320 And it was slow.

01:18:38.320 I was slow to come to this because, of course, when you focus on that specific incident, you ignore the broader context.

01:18:44.740 But when you go and essentially turn over several city blocks, when you allow, you know, riots night after night, as Minneapolis did after the killing of George Floyd, you are abdicating your responsibility as responsible, you know, political officials who were duly elected by the people to keep them safe.

01:19:04.940 It's essentially undermining not just Locke, but also Hobbes, which says that we need to the first function of the state is for physical security.

01:19:14.540 And so you're seeing a very disturbing, I think, partnership between these radical left activists who are interfering in law enforcement operations, working with elected Democrat officials to essentially, you know, end or or sort of pull back from providing basic security to citizens and residents.

01:19:37.540 It's it's hard not to look at this and feel like you're headed or we're headed towards some kind of civil conflict or civil war.

01:19:42.880 You know, heaven forbid, but I think it's just I can't underscore how dangerous and reckless the current situation is, you know, people, you know, the mark of a civilized society is that we protect our vulnerable.

01:19:54.940 And we're obviously failing to do that.

01:19:59.520 Well, Kay, I mean, I've seen it in person.

01:20:02.680 The first victims of chaos are the are the defenseless or the weakest, of course.

01:20:06.380 And so, yeah, everything about it is is is is evil and certainly uncivilized.

01:20:13.540 I wonder what the goal is.

01:20:15.740 So clearly, you know, acquiring power is the short term goal.

01:20:20.520 But like, what's the vision for the country that activists like this have?

01:20:25.560 What are they working toward?

01:20:28.200 Yeah, well, that's the that's the right question.

01:20:29.960 I think it's pretty clear it's an agenda to essentially unmake Western civilization.

01:20:36.920 The left has obviously not disguised it.

01:20:39.860 It's had the goal.

01:20:41.080 It's viewed Western civilization as having committed the sins of indigenous genocide, slavery, you know, leading up to in the in this story, the Holocaust, nuclear weapons. 0.69

01:20:53.100 It will all end in, you know, climate change, apocalypse or nuclear apocalypse.

01:20:58.920 So these are extremely radical views that that come from the assumption and a priori assumption.

01:21:05.520 I mean, this goes back to Rousseau and through Marx and other radical thinkers that, you know, Western civilization is evil, that all of the problems that we have from inequality to suffering are a result of a particular system that we have.

01:21:18.920 That there's some radically different system we can put in place, you know, whether it's anarchism or communism or some other system they want to name where there won't be these problems.

01:21:29.240 So it's an extremely radical agenda.

01:21:31.720 You know, when I was on the radical left, that was a very specific thing separate from the Democratic Party.

01:21:38.140 We thought the Democrats were sellouts.

01:21:40.560 We were all, you know, fairly far to the left of the Democrats.

01:21:43.960 I think what we've seen that's maybe the most understudied and undertheorized issue in political science is the radicalization of the Democratic Party.

01:21:53.840 And so you used to see the, you know, mainstream Democrats distancing themselves from this kind of radical behavior.

01:22:00.860 Well, now they're participating in it.

01:22:02.780 They're legitimizing it.

01:22:04.680 It's it's, you know, extremely radical agenda.

01:22:07.140 It's notable that, you know, in both the George Floyd and the Minneapolis case, the argument that's being made by the left is that there's too much policing, that there's too much law and order.

01:22:18.720 And, you know, as you pointed out, I mean, we see it everywhere.

01:22:21.300 I mean, you know, you lower the penalties and the consequences and the enforcement of laws around all sorts of crimes, using drugs in public, camping in public, public defecation.

01:22:33.620 You know, even things like, you know, reducing traffic stops.

01:22:36.980 I think you were one of the first people to report on this actually results in more death.

01:22:41.600 It results in more crime.

01:22:43.240 And so, you know, I had a public safety officer from Denver, actually, who said to me, he said, you know, he said, Mike, it's pretty simple.

01:22:50.900 You get what you allow.

01:22:52.660 And so as soon as you stop enforcing certain laws, you get more of those crimes.

01:22:57.440 Like it happens right away.

01:22:58.620 And so this is a very, you know, it's a very radical movement.

01:23:02.620 It's not a reformist movement.

01:23:04.780 No one's talking about reform.

01:23:06.540 It's clear that people that are doing this, you know, believe in open borders, believe in mass migration.

01:23:11.600 They're doing this to, you know, undermine, you know, controlling our own borders.

01:23:17.220 They're obviously, you know, want to get rid of Trump at a minimum.

01:23:19.980 But I think more maximally, you know, if you get a Democrat as president, I think we're going to see, you know, a kind of this kind of anarchy and chaos at the physical reality level.

01:23:31.300 And then at the, you know, level of the Internet in terms of speech, you're going to get increasing censorship.

01:23:36.300 So with this kind of chaos that gets created in the neighborhoods, the only way you can sustain that is by controlling information and making people think it is something that it's not.

01:23:45.980 This obviously worked in terms of fueling the drug and homelessness epidemic.

01:23:50.940 I think it's also working now to make people think that somehow, you know, the underlying problem is law enforcement.

01:23:56.620 I mean, it's so absurd.

01:23:58.280 And that was the ideology that, you know, was behind Black Lives Matter, you know, an organization that, you know, false that spread disinformation, led people to believe that police brutality was increasing.

01:24:09.900 And also that there was greater use of the great there were more police shootings of black Americans and white Americans.

01:24:15.520 That was disproven by Harvard professor Roland Fryer.

01:24:19.480 We knew that also just police killings, like all killings, had been going down since the 70s.

01:24:24.520 So the entire thing was based on a lie.

01:24:27.100 And so I think that's the that's the fundamental.

01:24:30.000 You see the lie.

01:24:31.040 There's, you know, many lies stacked on top of each other.

01:24:34.060 One of the big lies is that civilization somehow hurts vulnerable people.

01:24:39.240 Well, civilization is what protects vulnerable people.

01:24:41.340 You know, this idea that law enforcement is is fascist.

01:24:45.620 I mean, it's it's so offensive.

01:24:46.840 The comparisons between ICE and, you know, the Gestapo, the Nazis.

01:24:52.360 I mean, you're comparing, you know, someone pointed out it's like migrants get, you know, illegal migrants get three thousand five hundred dollars, you know, and a flight back home.

01:25:01.960 They have all their rights protected.

01:25:04.540 They have better due process than I think any country in the world has ever offered migrants.

01:25:08.780 We allow in more migrants than any other country in the world.

01:25:12.220 The United States is the most anti-racist nation that's ever existed.

01:25:16.440 So when they compare ICE to Nazis, I don't think it's just hyperbole, or at least if it started as hyperbole, it's become something much more dangerous, which is that it's basically saying that ICE officers and other law enforcement are worthy of being killed.

01:25:32.820 Because the only proper treatment of Nazis, as, you know, 80 years of Hollywood films and television and movies have shown is to murder them. 0.61

01:25:41.540 You know, that's what Quentin Tarantino's Inglourious Bastards is saying.

01:25:46.560 And there's heroism and excitement and glory in that promotion of that idea.

01:25:51.800 So you put those two things together, that the only proper treatment of Nazis and fascists is to murder them.

01:25:58.120 And then you call law enforcement officials, your political opponents, Nazis and fascists.

01:26:04.400 Well, we shouldn't be surprised that we see, you know, two assassination attempts on President Trump, you know, the murder of Charlie Kirk.

01:26:10.520 And now, you know, essentially turning, you know, left-wing, naive left-wing activists into cannon fodder, essentially, for these very radical goals.

01:26:23.040 Unfortunately, it just keeps getting worse, and I'm afraid we haven't hit the bottom yet.

01:26:26.880 I don't know where the bottom is.

01:26:28.900 But I don't think there's any question about what their goals are.

01:26:32.080 I mean, maybe I'm too pedantic, but to hear people who worship violence describe themselves as nonviolent activists grates on me, since I believe in nonviolent protests as a Christian strongly.

01:26:47.780 I don't know if these same people were organizing protests against shoveling hundreds of millions to the Ukrainian war machine.

01:26:54.740 I don't remember that part.

01:26:56.480 I mean, do they have a history of opposing?

01:26:58.520 There's a lot of state violence that the United States sponsors around the world, and I think it's immoral.

01:27:04.200 I think it's a crime.

01:27:05.240 But I don't hear these people worrying about that at all.

01:27:08.880 Right?

01:27:09.900 No, I mean, yeah, it's an amazing, it's a great point.

01:27:13.120 I mean, they're not, they're doing, their focus is on attacking the basic structures of civilization.

01:27:20.920 And maybe the most basic structure is security, is physical security, is law and order.

01:27:27.380 Another is maintaining your borders.

01:27:29.740 If you don't have, you know, borders that are well-maintained, then you don't have a nation.

01:27:33.900 It's just that simple.

01:27:35.660 I mean, I'll say something else, Tucker, which is that, you know, I think a year ago, shortly after the 2024 elections, I found with many people on the left, both ones that I know personally and also just, you know, reading, there was a moment of, it seemed like we were headed towards a moment of introspection.

01:27:52.800 There was some sense among, you know, mainline Democrats that they had been misled by the media, which had claimed that Biden was fine, for example, and the border was, they were doing everything they could to close the border.

01:28:07.160 You know, you kind of get into January, February, Trump closes the border.

01:28:11.180 We know that Biden was not fine.

01:28:13.040 And I think there were some efforts to rethink things.

01:28:16.860 Sadly, that moment has passed.

01:28:18.900 And I think Democrats are more radicalized than ever.

01:28:22.000 They're more certain than ever about what they believe.

01:28:25.080 They're really a very black and white way of thinking about these things.

01:28:30.720 There's a real desire to, I think, they get swept up in this desire to feel like heroes fighting against fascists and Nazis.

01:28:39.300 It's just their comfort zone.

01:28:40.580 It's where they just, they're there.

01:28:43.000 I mean, they don't want to leave there.

01:28:44.680 And so I'm afraid that all of that, that moment of potential awakening or reckoning with just how radicalized the left had gone, I think that's all gone now.

01:28:54.940 And you can see it in people like Gavin Newsom, who, you know, at first, you know, had conversations with Charlie Kirk and with, you know, people on the right as a way to try to, apparently try to understand, obviously, in a performative way.

01:29:08.440 But nonetheless, there was some sense in which that was good politics a year ago.

01:29:13.520 That's all gone now.

01:29:14.620 And now we're back to, I just think, a really profoundly anti-civilization, anti-American, you know, hatred that is giving them pleasure, that makes them feel important, makes them feel powerful, gives their lives meaning and purpose.

01:29:31.040 And, you know, that, for me, it just, it's just a huge concern because that's part of the forces that are leading us to, I mean, I think we just have to be honest about it, that appears to be what's leading us towards civil war.

01:29:45.800 Yes.

01:29:46.780 And I do think people who are for civilization underestimate the seriousness of these people.

01:29:56.320 I mean, they're serious and they're not stupid at all.

01:29:58.900 I watched yesterday an anti-ice protest forum in a small town, thousands of miles, over a thousand miles from Minneapolis, and every, and was not on social media, and every woman in the town received a text about it, right?

01:30:15.460 And that's how it was organized.

01:30:17.160 And so that make, I watched it.

01:30:19.440 So that makes me think, hmm, this is, this is not about those poor, sad people getting killed.

01:30:27.680 And I just want to say again how sad I felt watching those videos.

01:30:30.140 I really did.

01:30:30.680 I mean it too.

01:30:31.880 But it's not really about that, is it?

01:30:34.660 Well, no, except for the part of the fact that it's, that this is clearly the kind of, this is the, this is what they wanted.

01:30:43.540 I mean, they were inciting this, they're, they're telling people to interfere with law enforcement operations, knowing full well how dangerous that is.

01:30:51.240 And so I think it's a mistake to view these things as unintentional.

01:30:55.240 I'm not saying that there were, we're going to find messages with them saying we hope somebody gets killed.

01:30:59.900 But the recklessness that they were advocating, I mean, again, it's like night and day.

01:31:04.780 When you look at the tactics being used by the anti-ice left right now, and then you look at the really noble tradition of nonviolent civil disobedience, it's day and night.

01:31:15.900 They really have nothing to do with each other.

01:31:18.100 The tactics that are being used in Minneapolis now are just much more similar to what's being used for guerrilla warfare, for example, rather than in the tradition of King Gandhi and Thoreau.

01:31:28.040 I think the Trump administration is in a very tough spot right now.

01:31:35.380 I think they know they are.

01:31:37.560 I think for political and humanitarian reasons, for reasons of love of country, I'm being sincere, they want to fix this.

01:31:47.060 But they, you know, but it's very, it's, it's complex at every turn.

01:31:50.100 So what would your advice be to the White House right now?

01:31:54.940 Well, I thought they made a good step forward in trying to put somebody with a lot more experience in charge.

01:32:01.380 I thought it was just outrageous that the Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, just got up there and trashed Alex Preddy. 0.97

01:32:12.160 You know, clearly it was.

01:32:13.960 I agree.

01:32:14.320 Yeah, it was just, obviously what she was saying was false.

01:32:18.140 And I, I don't understand it.

01:32:21.220 I mean, I, I, I found it, you know, dehumanizing and gross.

01:32:25.900 Yes.

01:32:26.040 I think.

01:32:26.700 I agree.

01:32:27.900 Good and pretty are victims of the left.

01:32:30.540 And that should have been what they said.

01:32:33.460 And, you know, look, it's just, I think there's a lot of ways.

01:32:38.600 Can I just ask you to pause for one second?

01:32:39.480 Yeah.

01:32:40.120 All of us should have reverence in the face of death.

01:32:44.320 We didn't create life.

01:32:45.880 We can't.

01:32:46.740 We're not capable of it.

01:32:47.880 And when it ends, and I don't care who it is, we have to bow before the mystery of death and take it seriously.

01:32:55.080 You can never mock someone.

01:32:58.140 You know what I mean?

01:32:58.700 There has to be, even if it's your enemy, you have to take it seriously.

01:33:02.620 And decent, civilized people, Christian people do take it seriously.

01:33:07.040 And that's not trashing someone like that, especially if it's untrue.

01:33:10.560 That is not the way.

01:33:11.940 I just have to say that.

01:33:12.840 I feel that.

01:33:13.500 Yeah.

01:33:13.720 Yeah, I totally agree.

01:33:15.860 I think it's very hard for, you know, people, certainly in the heat of the moment, to deal with the fact that many things can be true at the same time.

01:33:25.120 It was...

01:33:25.760 Yes, that's right.

01:33:26.340 Look, the ICE operations were just not, obviously, they were not well organized.

01:33:31.380 And they've recruited a lot of people that don't have the experience they need.

01:33:36.140 I mean, whenever things go terribly wrong, you know, including like, you know, in Uvalde, New Mexico or elsewhere, I think everyone wants to blame the individual officers.

01:33:45.020 And they certainly have responsibility, but they're part of an institution, and the higher responsibility goes to the people in those institutions who had a job of training them and preparing them for that context.

01:33:58.380 Next, I think Alex Preddy also has responsibility.

01:34:01.540 It's very, there's a lot of demagoguery on this issue where, you know, I pointed out on X, I'm like, I think that, you know, women should have the right to walk through any neighborhood in America in scantily, scantily clothed. 0.79

01:34:13.520 And I've fought to make that happen.

01:34:15.660 In California, that's one of the problems is that it's not safe to walk anywhere.

01:34:19.240 And increasingly, in other parts of the United States, it's not safe to walk anywhere.

01:34:22.220 I'm also a father of a daughter.

01:34:23.760 I'm a professor now, I actually took my students, undergraduate students, you know, 19-year-old students, to interview people on the street here in Austin.

01:34:34.700 They told stories of witnessing homicide, you know, drug dealing, assault, you know, is extremely, you know, it was a, they're living in extremely violent, dangerous circumstances.

01:34:45.020 And I take that responsibility very seriously of making sure those students are safe and understand my surroundings.

01:34:51.480 And that means that Alex Prady also has responsibility.

01:34:55.760 And it's certainly not speaking ill of the dead to say that.

01:34:59.020 I think he had no idea.

01:35:00.620 I think he had a sense of entitlement that they were somehow, he should be able to interfere in a law enforcement operation and have no consequences.

01:35:08.120 You know, again, it's not a justification for what happened to him.

01:35:11.560 But I think people need to understand that you are responsible, ultimately, for your own physical security.

01:35:16.700 And the first part of that physical security is where you put yourself.

01:35:21.020 And that, you know, people, because of Hollywood, I think they sometimes think that your security is all about your ability to fight once you're in a dangerous situation or how to react in those situations.

01:35:31.640 No, it's actually about not being in that situation in the first place.

01:35:35.600 And we've got a situation here where you've got leading Democratic officials in Minnesota, you have major NGOs in Minnesota, you have very skilled organizers that create manuals and have lawyers waiting who are encouraging people to interfere in law enforcement operations.

01:35:55.060 It's grossly irresponsible.

01:35:57.780 So, you know, many things are true at the same time.

01:36:01.880 And, you know, we just have not seen, you know, I think we have not seen the left.

01:36:07.700 We have not seen Democrats.

01:36:09.520 And sadly, I don't think we saw the Trump administration at its best over the last few days.

01:36:14.280 I think there is time to turn it around.

01:36:16.340 And I think Tom Homan is somebody that should bring that experience.

01:36:20.300 It's I have my own views of of how to kind of what should be the policies around migration and what to do about it.

01:36:28.460 But I think the administration is pursuing a strategy to focus on the criminal element.

01:36:34.040 I think 64 percent of all of the ICE arrests and detainees since Trump took office had been people with either a criminal prosecution or charges against them.

01:36:46.100 And I think that like to see that number be even higher and, you know, much more care taken in these operations, much more focused.

01:36:55.000 You know, I think you've got to find a way to get local police and state involved from the beginning.

01:37:00.100 Otherwise, I kind of wonder whether it should be done at all.

01:37:03.520 Again, you have federal supremacy, but but, you know, we're trying to be practical here, too.

01:37:07.960 So I hope it's a wake up call for everybody.

01:37:10.400 I know there was some calls between the president and the governor and the mayor, you know, president was I think I will say again, I think the president was elected on a particular agenda.

01:37:20.880 And it would be really a bad precedent for a president's agenda to be undermined by people that are pursuing a strategy to essentially, you know, break the law, violate the law, you know, undermine that strategy because, you know, we're a republic and, you know, the president was democratically elected.

01:37:41.240 And there's a lot of policies that a democratic president might have that you don't like.

01:37:46.820 But I think saying the president, the precedent whereby you're going to abandon your policy agenda because you've encountered violent resistance.

01:37:56.740 I worry about that a lot as a precedent.

01:37:59.060 And I'm sure the Trump administration is as well.

01:38:01.520 But I think you should be able to do both.

01:38:03.220 I think you should be able to pursue your agenda and do a better job of of protecting and maintaining security in those areas.

01:38:11.240 You can imagine, though, that it might soon become impossible.

01:38:17.360 I mean, I don't know how you could continue doing the same thing if you're bumping up against local law enforcement that won't protect federal officers, local elected officials, statewide elected officials who are promoting the conditions that inevitably produce violence.

01:38:35.000 Because, I mean, I mean, it seems like if they keep doing what they have been doing without changing it at all, we're going to get a lot more Alex Predis.

01:38:46.180 And so should I mean, is there like a dramatic change in their approach that you think would work?

01:38:52.840 I mean, I if I were advising, you know, I'm not advising them, but if I were advising them, I'd say you need to keep pursuing the agenda you were elected to pursue.

01:39:02.840 You just need to pursue it in a better way, in a more practical, safer way.

01:39:08.780 I mean, I think it's so interesting, Tucker, also, I think, under remarked upon is that the last time we saw, I think, this level of federal state clash was when, you know, Kennedy and Johnson were desegregating institutions in the South and they faced significant resistance.

01:39:24.000 Yes, I think. And they did not hesitate to use, you know, force to, you know, to send out the National Guard to protect children and students as they desegregated educational institutions. 0.90

01:39:36.420 I think most people also recognize that some of those efforts did go too far.

01:39:41.400 For example, the forced busing, you know, and you start to get to you start to have to kind of a practical view of this.

01:39:48.040 I mean, at the end of the day, I think public opinion is paramount, you know, and as Lincoln says, you know, with public consent, you can do anything.

01:39:54.520 Without it, you can't do anything.

01:39:56.680 So I think the administration has to keep that in mind.

01:39:59.740 It is amazing.

01:40:01.040 I mean, there's a very large percentage support.

01:40:03.300 I think somewhere around 70 percent support for closing the border, which the president did.

01:40:08.380 But when you start to get these ICE raids, you know, I think support for those, you know, goes down to something like 40 percent.

01:40:14.000 I know the president's approval rate on immigration has significantly declined.

01:40:19.200 You know, the president probably not going to change his ways at this point, but I do think showing some genuine empathy and compassion.

01:40:30.160 I mean, I mean, you felt the need to do this special on this, which I think is really important.

01:40:35.060 I agree on.

01:40:35.560 I felt the need to respond to it as quickly as I could.

01:40:39.340 The president needs to address the country.

01:40:41.480 I just think you need an Oval Office address at this point to, you know, explain to the public what he's trying to do.

01:40:47.740 You know, that it hasn't always been perfect, that he has, you know, feels the pain of these deaths.

01:40:55.140 And at the same time, you know, he's pursuing a particular policy agenda that he was elected to pursue.

01:41:00.340 And it would be dangerous to not pursue that because of, you know, both mistakes at the federal level, but also through this violent aggression by these radicalized left groups.

01:41:11.380 You know, I think we need to hear from him in a really, with a serious address from the Oval Office as soon as possible.

01:41:17.740 Michael Schellenberger, thank you for your wise assessment of all of that.

01:41:24.940 And I'm grateful, especially right now.

01:41:27.660 Thank you.

01:41:28.560 Thank you, Tucker.

The Tucker Carlson Show - January 28, 2026

Chaos Is Spreading Like Cancer. What Happens Next？

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