The Tucker Carlson Show - Charlie Kirk： Christian Values Under Attack, JFK’s Death, & How Trump Changed Politics Forever

00:00:00.000 And I did not stutter when I said that, I'm going platinum selling right, I'm going platinum selling right, thank you for having me, thank you, this is our seventh night on the road across the country and I came, decided to

00:00:29.980 leave my lair and head out for a month for two reasons, one because you cannot censor a live event, which I'm grateful for, and two because I just wanted to feel better about the country that I love and it's worked, it's unbelievable, it's true, in fact I always think to myself, we moved out of a city about five years ago and I thought, I hate cities, I'm never going back to a city again, they're all awful and this is our seventh city and they've all been great.

00:00:59.980 I got to, I mean, it's incredible, Wichita, I've wound up in Wichita a lot in my life, I know a lot of people here, I'm not exactly sure why, but I've had a wonderful time every time I've ever been here, we're in Kansas City, Tulsa, Colorado Springs, they're all great, and then I realized, really it's just New York and LA are awful and every other place is pretty excellent, so thank you.

00:01:22.080 You forget that because if you read the news or watch the news, basically all news is filtered through Los Angeles and New York, which are obviously cesspools, and so you get the impression that everything else is like that, but it's not like that at all.

00:01:38.280 The country is not insane, people are really nice, they're not mad at each other, they love each other.

00:01:43.260 And you lose track of that if your reality is filtered, I can't hear what you're saying, but I agree with you, I know that.

00:01:50.820 But, yeah, it was making me too frustrated, the news coverage of America, and one of the questions I had that I haven't really resolved is, how did I get in journalism?

00:02:05.300 Like, it's disgusting, how did I wind up here?

00:02:08.300 I was just thinking that the other day, I cannot believe I do this for a living, how did, and actually the honest answer is, because I couldn't get another job.

00:02:15.020 And, um, I hadn't done well in college, I didn't have a college degree, I was getting married, my father-in-law was insistent that I have gainful employment, stickler, and, um, so I applied to a bunch of places, they turned me down, I don't think they even bothered to respond, and so I went to my father, and I said, you know, what should I do?

00:02:32.880 He had been a journalist, and he said, you should, you know, go into journalism, they'll take anybody.

00:02:37.560 Um, that's actually what he said, and that's actually why I went.

00:02:40.440 I went, primarily because it seemed kind of interesting, and you could see the world, and listen to people, and hear cool stories, and have experiences you could tell your grandchildren about.

00:02:50.860 Not that they'll listen, but you could at least, I was there!

00:02:54.180 Um, but really I went into it because it's easy, that's the truth, it's easy.

00:02:57.960 Journalism? I mean, you don't have to do anything, you have no real skills, you just repeat what people tell you.

00:03:02.860 And if I'm being completely honest, and I think I am, for, like, about 25 years out of 33, it really was the easiest job ever.

00:03:11.540 Ever!

00:03:12.740 Because politics is not complicated, and listening to people and recording what they say is not hard.

00:03:18.300 It's not, actually, we have machines that can do it now.

00:03:20.740 Um, this was pre-AI.

00:03:23.400 About maybe eight years ago, it became very difficult, and not just because I realized that everyone else in the business with me was repulsive,

00:03:31.560 but on a deeper level, which I did realize, um, and I told them, and then they fired me again and again.

00:03:38.480 Um, no, the real reason it became, no, I don't, no, you should never brag about being fired,

00:03:47.460 but I've been fired so often that I just have no choice, making a virtue out of a necessity.

00:03:52.660 Um, no, the reason that the, the, well, I love you too, thank you.

00:03:57.180 No, the reason it became hard is because I no longer understood what was happening in the news.

00:04:02.780 I lived in Washington for 35 years.

00:04:04.480 I covered politics.

00:04:06.240 Very, very simple, very simple business to cover, because there are two parties.

00:04:11.820 Each one wants power in order to get power.

00:04:14.480 Each one makes promises to the voters, who are the source of their power, of course.

00:04:19.080 Um, in a country that's, claims to be democratic, constitutional republic, all power derives from the consent of the governed,

00:04:26.960 because they own the country, not the politicians.

00:04:29.540 And so it, well, that's just, that's just a fact.

00:04:31.760 I'm just repeating back to you your founding documents.

00:04:34.820 And so it's very, very simple.

00:04:37.000 Each side, every two or four or six years, gets up and says, if you vote for me, I'll give you this.

00:04:42.760 And the other side says, no, no, no, I'll give you more.

00:04:45.580 And the person, you know, who makes the better case about how they're going to improve the lives of the people who vote wins.

00:04:51.720 And then we can assess whether they actually did what they were going to say.

00:04:54.880 Around eight years ago, at least one party, and to some extent both parties, but certainly one party, stopped making that case.

00:05:02.440 Stopped pretending that they were going to improve the lives of the people who lived here,

00:05:06.100 and instead started saying out loud, and now they're shouting it,

00:05:08.900 if you elect us, we're going to make things much worse for you.

00:05:14.120 And actually, we're going to punish you.

00:05:15.880 And all the things that you want, we're going to give you none of them.

00:05:18.720 And instead, we're going to give you the things that you fear most, like going extinct.

00:05:23.240 And they just started to kind of say that.

00:05:25.300 And all of a sudden, I became completely confused.

00:05:28.720 How could you run for office on the promise that if you vote for me, you'll be less likely to have grandchildren?

00:05:36.480 Truly. Really?

00:05:37.720 The one thing that every middle-aged person wants is grandchildren.

00:05:40.920 No, you'll have less.

00:05:43.300 Actually, we're against having children at all.

00:05:46.160 The one thing that brings you joy, particularly in old age, your descendants,

00:05:50.940 we're going to do everything we can to prevent you from having that.

00:05:54.180 And by the way, we're also, one of the things you probably enjoy is eating.

00:05:58.400 But we're going to prevent you from doing that by, like, provoking famines around the world.

00:06:05.300 What? I'm watching this.

00:06:06.680 I'm thinking, what could possibly be the impulse behind these policies?

00:06:12.440 Every single policy, whether it was climate change, transgenderism, abortion, whatever,

00:06:20.780 all of it was designed to reduce the number of people on the planet.

00:06:26.960 And that's really a weird impulse for people to have.

00:06:31.240 And then today, I learned, and this is completely consistent with everything we've seen,

00:06:35.340 that we are very close to a nuclear exchange with a foreign power.

00:06:40.740 Because the Biden administration is on the cusp of sending missiles into mainland Russia, including Moscow.

00:06:47.320 And kind of no one is debating this or talking about it.

00:06:51.020 In fact, I think we're not even allowed to talk about it.

00:06:53.540 You just have to ignore it.

00:06:54.640 Well, and I'm not going to get into too much detail because I don't want to be depressing.

00:06:57.460 And by the way, there is an upside to this whole story, which I'll get to in just a second.

00:07:02.560 But right now, we are provoking this country that we're not actually supposed to be at war with,

00:07:07.980 we're not technically at war with, into launching nuclear weapons in response.

00:07:12.600 And once that happens, you know, of course, we're done.

00:07:16.720 Because you can't recall a nuclear missile.

00:07:19.320 There's no capacity on that.

00:07:21.720 Once they're launched, they land.

00:07:23.680 And we have no way to shoot them down.

00:07:26.720 And so once they're on the way, we're done.

00:07:28.180 And the destructive power of them is so much beyond what most people understand.

00:07:31.660 It bears no resemblance at all to what happened in the summer of 1945 in Japan.

00:07:35.680 It's, you know, 100x that.

00:07:38.160 So we really are flirting with, like, extinction right now.

00:07:41.720 So I realized this this morning based on conversations that I had with people outside the country.

00:07:47.780 And I thought, this is just absolutely nuts.

00:07:49.180 So I called a bunch of people who I thought could kind of get the word out.

00:07:51.500 And they were like, oh, yeah, okay.

00:07:53.400 Nobody was willing even to entertain that reality.

00:07:57.660 It was like, really?

00:07:58.400 But they're, you know, inflation.

00:07:59.380 That's the thing.

00:07:59.780 I was like, no, no, you don't understand.

00:08:00.880 We're on the verge of a nuclear exchange.

00:08:02.680 Yeah, okay.

00:08:03.360 Anyway, and then change the subject.

00:08:04.460 And I thought to myself, maybe it's just too dark for people to fully accept.

00:08:11.540 And then I thought, but what would be the impulse behind this?

00:08:14.420 And this is the point of what I'm saying.

00:08:16.180 The impulse behind all of these different policies is in no sense political.

00:08:20.540 This is not politics.

00:08:22.120 I would say it's not even human.

00:08:23.860 And here's why I say that.

00:08:25.660 Because the goal of every animal species, including people, is to send their genes continuing through history.

00:08:34.300 It's to reproduce, right?

00:08:35.820 That is evolutionary biology in one sentence.

00:08:38.240 Our main impulse is to pass our genes on to the next generation and the generation beyond.

00:08:43.160 And all animals behave that way.

00:08:45.860 Dogs do not commit suicide or genocide, period.

00:08:49.220 Whatever, they may, you know what I mean?

00:08:51.080 They may make a mess out in your rug, but they're not going to do anything intentionally that gets in the way of passing on their genes.

00:09:00.580 That is their goal.

00:09:01.420 That is the goal of every animal species.

00:09:03.400 That's the natural goal.

00:09:05.160 That is life, actually, as described by naturalists.

00:09:08.980 That's nature.

00:09:10.300 And so if you see any kind of movement that would even potentially stop people from passing on their genes,

00:09:19.040 you know you're not dealing with nature.

00:09:20.380 You're dealing with something above or outside of nature.

00:09:23.340 You're not dealing with the natural.

00:09:24.440 You're dealing with the supernatural.

00:09:25.180 And so any movement that seeks to convince people not to have children or eat or who provokes wars for the sake of killing, we often say, well, these people are all making money on wars.

00:09:40.480 True.

00:09:40.920 Much deeper than that.

00:09:42.440 If you're getting to the brink of nuclear war and that isn't so horrifying to you that you do whatever you can to stop it because, of course, it would mean the end of humanity.

00:09:53.260 If your instant gut response isn't, we can't have that.

00:09:57.680 Whatever it takes to prevent that, we're going to do now.

00:10:00.980 Because, of course, our obligation is to future generations.

00:10:04.220 It's not to ourselves.

00:10:05.900 It's to people yet unborn, human beings yet unborn.

00:10:08.380 If that's not your gut reaction, then you're being controlled by something outside the human realm.

00:10:15.360 Because that's not natural.

00:10:18.620 That is the most unnatural instinct you can have.

00:10:23.700 Now, I'm not approaching this as a theologian, which I hardly am.

00:10:27.300 I'm an Episcopalian from Southern California, so I'm not writing any theology books, okay?

00:10:32.420 I'm approaching this from a rational standpoint.

00:10:34.720 What's the other explanation?

00:10:35.720 How could Tony Blinken at the State Department and Joe Biden in the White House?

00:10:43.300 I'm assuming Joe Biden even exists at this point.

00:10:47.080 I mean, he does in some literal sense.

00:10:51.920 How could every single one of their policies be anti-human?

00:10:57.020 Is that an accident?

00:10:58.080 I don't think it is, actually.

00:10:59.920 I think what we're seeing here is a manifestation of the spiritual battle that's been described by every civilization since the beginning of time.

00:11:11.220 And again, I just want to say that I'm not saying that as, you know, someone who's so pious and faithful as a Christian that you should follow my example.

00:11:20.280 Please don't.

00:11:21.020 I'm saying that as someone who is searching for another explanation, and I can't find one because there is no rational explanation for what we're seeing now.

00:11:31.400 There is none.

00:11:32.840 You're encouraging people not to reproduce?

00:11:36.320 No human being would ever encourage other human beings not to reproduce.

00:11:40.700 Again, is there any precedent for that in the animal world?

00:11:46.060 I know that we're encouraged not to pay attention to animals.

00:11:48.300 That's another thing that I have noticed, and to ignore nature completely.

00:11:52.340 Completely.

00:11:53.460 You can't even see the stars in most places because of the light pollution.

00:11:57.000 But we are absolutely encouraged to ignore the natural world.

00:12:00.640 That's the message of our design of the buildings that our leaders build, of the lives that they encourage us to live.

00:12:06.380 Stay indoors, addicted to the screen, addled on SSRIs, just don't notice everything around you.

00:12:12.100 And I think one of the reasons that they encourage that is because if you did pay any attention at all to the natural world, you would know that what we're going through right now is not natural at all.

00:12:23.040 So I think that's the way to think about it.

00:12:26.240 And I will leave it to you and your individual religious practices on how to respond to that, but I will just say that there's another side to the story which gives me hope.

00:12:36.060 And the reason that I am going to sleep like an animal this evening, as I always do, is the following.

00:12:42.880 So what we're looking at is evil.

00:12:44.080 We're not looking at a competing set of ideas or ideology or communism.

00:12:50.900 I mean, there are a lot of communist-inspired ideas, but communism itself never made sense as an ideology.

00:12:55.100 It's not an ideology.

00:12:56.480 It's an anti-human impulse that comes from some outside source, obviously.

00:13:01.100 Whenever you're killing large groups of people for no reason, you're clearly being inspired by something supernatural.

00:13:06.780 I mean, let's just be honest about it.

00:13:08.680 So we're seeing evil that's very shocking to a lot of people.

00:13:11.660 It's shocking to me at least once a day for the past five years.

00:13:14.220 I thought, I cannot believe how much evil there is in the world.

00:13:16.780 One thing I have not thought of at all until very recently, which is even more surprising, and no one ever says it, is how much good there is in the world.

00:13:25.560 Which also doesn't make sense, by the way.

00:13:29.020 So if, like me, you bought into this evolutionary biology framework for understanding people, why do people do the things that they do?

00:13:36.620 Well, to preserve themselves and their descendants, right?

00:13:39.300 Right.

00:13:39.800 I think all Americans were raised believing that.

00:13:42.480 We've been doing this since cave times.

00:13:44.300 Here's why we do it.

00:13:45.620 There is no rational explanation for altruistic love between people.

00:13:50.860 There is no way that science can describe or justify what you see every day, which is people giving of themselves, not for profit, not for any conceivable benefit at all, to other people.

00:14:02.880 Including people they're not related to.

00:14:03.960 Including people they don't even know.

00:14:05.720 Why are they doing that?

00:14:07.380 There's no rational explanation.

00:14:09.540 Science cannot tell you why they do that.

00:14:11.360 There's no benefit to them at all.

00:14:13.100 And in fact, in a rational world, if the scientific framework were real, which it's not, it's totally fake, but let's just say it were, how could you explain that?

00:14:24.560 How does that help you to give your money to someone you don't even know?

00:14:30.480 To listen really carefully to someone, just to make that person feel better, to make that person feel connected, to display empathy.

00:14:37.380 What's the advantage in that?

00:14:38.960 No advantage at all.

00:14:40.500 And yet you see it constantly, all the time, around you.

00:14:43.960 And I think you see it more now than you ever have.

00:14:46.660 In other words, one of the reasons that I, despite being bewildered and shocked by what we're watching all around us, wake up in a good mood every single day, is because I think that the evil that we see is being more than counterbalanced by the good that's suddenly erupting all around us.

00:15:03.520 I feel that in this room.

00:15:06.000 I felt it in every place we've traveled around the country.

00:15:09.640 Every morning I wake up and I think, boy, you know, this country's got all these problems and some of them are very, very severe.

00:15:14.440 You know, not just that they're eating the pets, which I do think is a problem.

00:15:20.960 And the most hilarious thing ever said, by the way, Trump will never get credit for just being amazing.

00:15:28.100 If they're eating the pets, that was the highlight for me.

00:15:32.660 First of all, because it, I don't know if it's exactly true, they're not eating the pets, they're sacrificing the pets in witchcraft ceremonies, actually.

00:15:39.600 That's true.

00:15:40.200 But, so the country does have a lot of problems, actually, and immigration is by far the biggest problem.

00:15:46.360 There's a higher percentage of people born outside the country living in this country now than at any time.

00:15:50.800 That makes, and every one of them could be a Nobel, a future Nobel Prize winner, and it doesn't matter because it destabilizes the country completely.

00:15:58.220 And it makes it really hard for 350 million of us to have anything in common and to hang together as a country.

00:16:03.560 So it's a really dangerous thing to do.

00:16:05.560 It's a destructive thing to do.

00:16:07.080 There's no justification for doing it other than to destroy what other people built, which is what's happening.

00:16:11.940 So, of course, that's incredibly sad to watch.

00:16:13.820 Really, really sad.

00:16:14.560 If you're from here, and if, like me, you plan to die here, you don't have another passport, I'm going to be buried with my parents.

00:16:19.980 You know what I mean?

00:16:20.480 Like most people.

00:16:21.140 If you're really vested in this country, if you've burned your boats or if your ancestors did, it's very, very sad, and it's scary.

00:16:29.620 But I'm still in a good mood because I feel, again, all around me this resurgence of much deeper connection between people.

00:16:39.940 And it comes after the saddest four years, probably since the Civil War, where the people in charge stayed up late figuring out how to divide us from the people that we love most, from our families.

00:16:52.760 I mean, the whole point of COVID actually was to blow up your family, and in some cases that worked.

00:16:57.460 And if you watched the news during that whole period, they would tell you, you know, when you go home for Thanksgiving, you may have some elderly racist relatives, and you should scream at them at the table.

00:17:08.500 And if you're a good person, you will.

00:17:11.240 And in fact, if you're a really good person, don't even ever talk to them again, because it's not a cult, trust me.

00:17:16.220 Just cutting you off from your family, not a big deal.

00:17:19.340 Which, by the way, was the greatest crime committed during COVID.

00:17:22.860 That was the greatest crime.

00:17:27.080 I personally think the vax was a crime.

00:17:29.940 I think history will prove that.

00:17:35.540 But I'm not even going to have that debate.

00:17:38.500 Out of respect and sympathy for people who took it, I mean that.

00:17:42.540 Actually, a lot of people I love took it.

00:17:44.700 I've never met anyone who didn't take it, who regrets not taking it.

00:17:47.400 Is there anyone here who didn't take it who feels really bad about not taking it?

00:17:50.500 Probably not.

00:17:51.860 So without even getting into the whole COVID vax, I think the greater crime, even, you know,

00:17:57.220 the crimes that you do to the spirit are, of course, much more grave than the crimes you do to the body.

00:18:02.640 And the crime that was committed in this country against us, its people, was the division that was manufactured, that was engineered between family members.

00:18:12.320 And those mandates and the fear that was generated, the hysteria that was generated, was designed, I believe it's very obvious in its effect, to blow apart relationships between people.

00:18:24.360 And it worked.

00:18:25.740 And if you're wondering, well, how do you know what the motive was?

00:18:28.120 Well, of course, I don't.

00:18:29.340 I can't prove it, but I'm old enough now, quite advanced age, to have decided that the effect is the motive, actually.

00:18:38.600 The effect is the motive.

00:18:39.740 In other words, if you keep doing something again and again, and it has the same effect, you can tell me you plan to have another outcome, but I don't believe you, and I don't need to believe you.

00:18:50.160 Because I judge a tree by its fruit.

00:18:52.020 And if you cause something again and again and again, whether you know it or not, you meant to cause that, and you can be held responsible for it.

00:18:59.940 And the net effect of that whole period, from the day that George Floyd OD'd on fentanyl outside the convenience store in Minneapolis, until now, has been to blow apart the most important and sacred thing that we have, which is the relationship between each other.

00:19:16.020 That's the whole point of life, is to love the people around you, and anyone who makes that harder is a criminal in the deepest sense.

00:19:25.160 And so, like a lot of people in this room, you know, I experienced that.

00:19:30.660 I feel like I've gotten off pretty easy in this life, relative to what I deserve, probably, but even I, you know, had that experience.

00:19:37.080 I'm sure every single person in this room had an experience where, you know, you lost people you love, the relationship between someone you really loved or were related to was damaged by that whole period.

00:19:47.220 You probably lost, like me, I lost every acquaintance, like no one I had lunch with 10 years ago would even return my text at this point.

00:19:53.860 And I think that's not super uncommon, even for those of you who haven't alienated the world on cable news.

00:19:58.340 And so that's really sad for me, because what I really care about, much more than Carmela Harris, or whatever she's calling herself, is my relationships with other people.

00:20:11.100 So that's all very sad, and I'm saying it because I think that most people in this room, I think most Americans, can relate to exactly what I'm talking about.

00:20:17.900 But I'm saying it as a kind of predicate to what I'm going to say now, which is the upside.

00:20:21.880 But those relationships have been replaced tenfold with relationships that are much deeper.

00:20:28.740 I mourn the death of my relationships.

00:20:30.760 I don't care who it's with.

00:20:31.940 I miss the Valley Parker after I got my car back.

00:20:34.780 But the relationships I now have are so much deeper and so much more honest and so much more fully grounded in truth than any relationships I've ever had before.

00:20:47.940 And as I said, I grew up in Southern California, so I was trained from a very young age to be shallow.

00:20:56.300 I mean, really from birth.

00:20:58.420 And the world that I grew up in, you know, a dinner table conversation, like a full dinner table conversation, and we ate very fast in Southern California in the 70s because it was all fast food.

00:21:07.160 But, like, the whole six minutes of dinner in the car would consist of, sorry, it's not the Midwest.

00:21:15.440 You know, we had things to do.

00:21:17.060 And the main thing that we had to do, the main thing that we had to do in Southern California was to talk about the weather.

00:21:25.040 And, like, we had days that would go from 73 and partly cloudy to all the way up to 75 and sunny.

00:21:31.340 And then it would go back to partly cloudy and in the low 70s.

00:21:35.060 And so that really was the substance of the conversations taking place all around me for my entire childhood.

00:21:40.740 And I'm not joking at all.

00:21:42.160 If you lived in San Diego in 1980, you know what it was like.

00:21:46.140 Like, nobody had a last name, and nobody talked about anything that mattered ever.

00:21:52.500 And if you did, you were a freak.

00:21:54.560 You were a freak.

00:21:56.300 No one died where I grew up.

00:21:57.700 Not one person ever died.

00:21:58.580 There was no death, period.

00:21:59.420 None.

00:21:59.600 And there was an incredibly wide strike zone on, like, personal sexual behavior.

00:22:04.900 So if you were, like, a polygamist or something, totally cool.

00:22:07.920 Wow, that's interesting.

00:22:08.680 Really?

00:22:09.520 You know, it's going to be 76 tomorrow.

00:22:11.440 Did you know that?

00:22:12.000 Yeah, really?

00:22:12.480 Wow.

00:22:13.940 So here's a fact that's going to wreck your day.

00:22:15.660 Every time you use the internet, you are being watched.

00:22:19.560 Nothing is private online if you sign on like most people do from a laptop or an iPhone on a public network.

00:22:26.040 When you do that, a lot of people, private businesses, government actors, are intercepting your internet traffic and mining it like a precious commodity.

00:22:37.340 What you do online, information about you is bought and sold, and then it's used to manipulate what you think, what you buy, even how you vote.

00:22:47.120 But they're spying on you for a reason.

00:22:49.740 The fact is that your internet provider can see every single website you visit.

00:22:54.380 And in the United States, they're allowed to sell that data and even your browsing history to the highest bidder.

00:23:00.480 And again, that includes everything you do inside a so-called incognito or private browser window.

00:23:07.180 Those don't work.

00:23:08.120 Don't fool yourself.

00:23:09.740 That should be illegal.

00:23:11.460 Obviously, putting a webcam in your bedroom without your knowledge would be illegal.

00:23:17.780 And for good reason.

00:23:18.800 But this is not illegal.

00:23:20.000 And it happens to all of us every day.

00:23:23.080 You might want to protect yourself from that.

00:23:24.600 We do protect ourselves from it.

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00:23:53.840 Really?

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00:23:58.960 How about one in your shower that's connected to the internet?

00:24:01.280 Probably not, right?

00:24:02.560 You're not doing anything wrong.

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00:24:57.200 The Greeks invented philosophy.

00:25:09.940 So if you like philosophy, you're Greek.

00:25:12.120 If you've ever taken a philosophy class, you're Greek.

00:25:15.140 If you've ever skipped a philosophy class, then failed that philosophy class.

00:25:19.220 Know a guy named Phil or even know a guy who knows a guy named Phil.

00:25:22.580 That's good enough.

00:25:23.680 You're Greek.

00:25:24.720 So eat like it.

00:25:25.620 That means ordering delicious euros with tender potatoes from Jimmy the Greek.

00:25:30.220 You deserve it, you philosophical genius, you.

00:25:33.640 You're Greek.

00:25:34.480 Eat like it with Jimmy the Greek.

00:25:36.740 Hashtag Gimme Jimmy.

00:25:42.020 But if you ever mentioned physical degradation of the body or the passing of a human life, man, you were just banished.

00:25:51.040 You were set onto an ice flow like the Inuit.

00:25:52.980 People never died in La Jolla, California.

00:25:56.700 They just went out to Palm Springs, you know, in the Mercedes and like you never saw them again.

00:26:01.040 But it was like a vacation.

00:26:02.480 It was never spoken of ever because it was just too deep.

00:26:07.500 And it raised all kinds of questions like maybe we're not in charge of the universe and maybe life ends.

00:26:12.220 And no one wanted to deal with that at all.

00:26:13.520 Ever.

00:26:13.660 We're not one time.

00:26:14.420 So for me, raised on a steady diet of shallowness, it has been an amazing and life-changing experience to have really deep conversations with almost everybody I talk to.

00:26:27.500 And I just want to say that that is not just an upside.

00:26:33.020 That's the whole point.

00:26:35.160 That is why we're here.

00:26:37.800 There's no other reason to be here.

00:26:39.920 And, you know, having gone up and down in my financial fortunes, you know, pretty low, pretty high, I can tell you, you know, it's bad to be in debt for sure.

00:26:50.360 But like making money does not make you happy.

00:26:52.100 Sorry.

00:26:52.440 Spoiler alert.

00:26:54.140 Someone told me the other day that, and I can never even remember her name, but she's like a deeply tormented pop star who just endorsed Harris.

00:27:01.900 Whatever her name is.

00:27:07.000 Megan Kelly told me last night that she's made a billion dollars.

00:27:10.180 A billion dollars.

00:27:11.920 And I thought to myself, I may even have said it, like, then why isn't she happy?

00:27:17.380 Why is she so miserable?

00:27:19.480 She made a million dollars.

00:27:21.440 A billion dollars.

00:27:22.420 Don't you sort of retire and just smile until you die?

00:27:25.620 In fact, you never die, actually.

00:27:26.980 You live forever if you make a billion dollars.

00:27:29.380 And she's so miserable.

00:27:31.280 I've never heard a word of her music.

00:27:34.580 But I just look at her and I'm like, wow, you hate yourself.

00:27:38.240 It's bad.

00:27:39.460 Carmela Harris, same thing.

00:27:41.500 You hate yourself.

00:27:42.700 I feel deep sympathy for, I did until I found out she had a gun.

00:27:46.300 And now I feel a great threat.

00:27:49.500 She has a gun?

00:27:51.560 Who armed Carmela Harris?

00:27:54.480 No.

00:27:56.960 What kind of gun is it?

00:27:58.620 What side does the bullet come out?

00:28:04.040 Where'd she get it?

00:28:05.640 Does she have a license for that?

00:28:07.020 What's she planning to do with it?

00:28:09.380 What does a person who's surrounded by armed bodyguards I'm paying for 24-7 need with a firearm?

00:28:16.480 You're doing a lot of grouse hunting, Carmela?

00:28:18.620 What?

00:28:20.980 Anyway, these are questions that no one in the media will ever ask.

00:28:23.500 I think they're super interesting.

00:28:24.640 Like, why not?

00:28:26.400 Sorry to get sidetracked.

00:28:27.460 But I guess what I'm saying is, there is a way to look at what's happening around us that will only defeat you and turn you into the hateful monster they accuse you of being.

00:28:42.280 That is true.

00:28:43.320 And one of the things I've learned only recently, having been denounced as a whatever, you name it, I've been called it.

00:28:51.220 I only realized recently that part of the reason that they call people names is so that people will become those things.

00:29:00.800 If they treat you with that level of contempt and unfairness, it's totally possible you'll become hateful, actually.

00:29:10.880 Like, you'll become what they say you are.

00:29:13.080 And that's the one thing that you can't become.

00:29:14.960 You cannot be hateful because then you'll just be Taylor Swift or Carmela Harris, like another tormented, unhappy person with no kids, projecting hate outward toward everyone else.

00:29:24.040 And don't be that.

00:29:25.500 Not only is that bad for the country, it's bad for you.

00:29:27.820 So how do you keep from becoming that?

00:29:31.240 And here's one trick that has really worked for me.

00:29:34.880 I don't know what you said, but that was like an animal growling, and I loved it.

00:29:39.660 I believe in animal sounds, by the way.

00:29:41.600 As someone who talks for a living, I'm a little bit unsold on words.

00:29:45.140 But if you go, rah, like that, I know you're being sincere.

00:29:49.040 Like, I trust my dogs.

00:29:50.200 They never lie to me, you know.

00:29:52.680 But here's the point.

00:29:53.720 One way to see reality is through the lens that, you know, most of us perceive it through, which is our phone.

00:30:01.580 It's literally a lens.

00:30:02.440 It's a piece of glass, and we're staring at it, and everything on it is curated.

00:30:06.140 And at some point, you have to wonder, like, why are they telling me this?

00:30:08.480 Is there some reason?

00:30:09.920 Maybe they're not being totally honest.

00:30:11.540 And one of the reasons, of course, is to distort you as a person and turn you into a monster, like they are, of course.

00:30:18.960 Another reason is to dispirit you so they can control you, so you just give up completely.

00:30:23.340 But above all, it's really to break your spirit, of course.

00:30:26.580 It's to humiliate you.

00:30:27.600 That's why Joe Biden hired that press secretary.

00:30:30.620 You know what I mean?

00:30:31.640 I was confused by that.

00:30:32.980 At first, I was like, wait a second.

00:30:34.880 The job of the press secretary is to talk, but you're illiterate.

00:30:39.060 So, wouldn't you be the last person?

00:30:44.220 Like, I'm dyslexic, okay?

00:30:46.000 Very dyslexic.

00:30:47.460 If you hired me to do your taxes, that would be an act of self-harm.

00:30:52.920 Like, you'd have to want to go to jail to hire me to do your tax, because I can't.

00:30:58.200 So, if you're hiring Corrine Jean-Pierre for a job that requires talking, maybe there's something else going on here.

00:31:06.760 And I'm not being, I don't want to be mean at all.

00:31:09.520 I say this with great sympathy, but this is someone who's so dumb she can't operate a toaster.

00:31:13.280 Like, I can't believe she can breathe unaided.

00:31:16.000 Like, this is truly a stupid person who has that kind of amazingly modern combination of low IQ and high self-esteem, which is always bewildering to me.

00:31:26.380 Studies have shown this, that the dumbest people think they're the smartest.

00:31:29.000 Like, I'm a historic first.

00:31:31.700 Really?

00:31:32.100 You're a moron.

00:31:32.960 Okay.

00:31:33.160 But anyway, but so what's the point of that?

00:31:36.040 You would have to really try to get someone that inarticulate to be your spokesman.

00:31:40.460 Notice the word spoke is in the word.

00:31:43.060 And then I realized, no, once again, the outcome is the motive.

00:31:46.880 It's this way for a reason.

00:31:48.540 And the reason is to make you feel bad about your country.

00:31:52.620 Like, this country is so screwed up, they have someone who can't speak English talking to me about what my government is doing.

00:31:57.080 And I can't understand what she's saying.

00:31:58.340 And she hates me.

00:31:59.460 Yeah, that's the point.

00:32:00.080 So that can drive you crazy.

00:32:03.080 And it's meant to drive you crazy.

00:32:05.380 So the only way not to become a monster and crazy, and I've come right to the edge of both, so I'm speaking from experience, is to see the reality that's actually around you.

00:32:18.760 Not through your phone, but around you.

00:32:21.640 And yes, that very much includes nature, and it very much includes animals, okay?

00:32:26.160 Spending time with animals is medicine.

00:32:29.540 It's true.

00:32:30.160 That's just true.

00:32:31.940 But the most important thing is to take stock of the people in your orbit.

00:32:36.180 And they are what matters much more than anything that happens in Washington or anything that comes across social media.

00:32:42.560 The people right around you.

00:32:45.320 And if you're looking for your duty in this life, like, what's the purpose of my life?

00:32:49.100 What am I here for?

00:32:51.060 Fewer people ask those questions than ever before, but you still hear them.

00:32:54.380 And it's super obvious, like, the person in bed next to you called your spouse, and the children you created, and your siblings, and your parents, and your coworkers, and your neighbors, and your nieces and nephews, and your drunk brother-in-law, and everyone who God has put right in front of you.

00:33:11.820 Your job is to serve and love them.

00:33:14.140 That's your first job.

00:33:15.700 That's your main job.

00:33:16.940 And it's wild to me how distorted that has become, again, probably not an accident, by people who preach about altruism.

00:33:26.180 They're like, no, really, the point of life is to serve the community, or someone in some country you've never visited, and send mosquito nets to some faraway place, none of which I guess I'm against.

00:33:35.180 But only after every person in the concentric circles of the orbit around me, I'll speak for myself as a head of household, only after all of them are thriving, and only after I've served all of them to the maximum extent of my ability, am I going to be sending mosquito nets to some other country.

00:33:54.780 Only after I have tipped my beleaguered waitress 50% am I going to think about serving someone I've never met.

00:34:07.100 Because the point of love is not abstract, it's concrete.

00:34:11.720 And if you love someone whose name you don't know, maybe it's not love.

00:34:16.160 Maybe it's narcissism, actually.

00:34:19.320 Maybe you're doing it so you can feel good about yourself without actually loving anyone.

00:34:24.780 The whole concept of a community is itself fraudulent.

00:34:28.500 What does that even mean?

00:34:30.300 No woman ever gave birth to a community.

00:34:33.260 It's a community.

00:34:34.200 What are their names?

00:34:35.120 It's a community.

00:34:36.020 I don't know.

00:34:36.320 Then you don't know anything.

00:34:37.920 And you're not loving them.

00:34:38.940 It's not possible to love groups of people.

00:34:41.760 It's only possible to love people.

00:34:44.940 Period.

00:34:46.600 And so really what this is, is a war between, the oldest war there is,

00:34:52.780 everyone loves, right?

00:34:54.020 But there are two kinds of people who love.

00:34:56.620 Those who love the people.

00:34:59.560 They're the ones who routinely commit genocide.

00:35:02.660 And those who love people.

00:35:05.440 And those are the ones you should love back.

00:35:08.840 It's really simple.

00:35:10.380 People.

00:35:11.380 Individuals.

00:35:12.640 And so I can just say, I take stock every single day of everyone in my orbit,

00:35:15.460 and it's a ton of people.

00:35:17.100 It's a ton of people.

00:35:18.040 And it's not just family members.

00:35:19.240 It's everyone I work with.

00:35:20.840 And it's everyone I know.

00:35:23.940 And I have to say, I don't know what this means.

00:35:26.060 Maybe I'm just uniquely blessed.

00:35:27.200 But I bet if you assess your life in the same way, you will come to the same conclusion.

00:35:30.780 They're doing pretty well.

00:35:32.420 They are.

00:35:33.080 And some of them are having trouble buying their groceries.

00:35:36.420 That's all true.

00:35:36.960 All the macro problems are real problems.

00:35:40.240 And long term, they're massively important for us.

00:35:43.740 From nuclear war, potentially, to the debt overhang.

00:35:46.860 It's all real.

00:35:48.040 But what's more real are the individuals that we are called upon as our most basic and sacred duty to serve and love.

00:35:56.220 And if they are thriving, you should be in a good mood.

00:35:58.900 And don't let anything Carmela Harris, who's never tipped a waitress in her freaking life, tells you.

00:36:05.760 Don't let them define what success is.

00:36:08.240 Success is the happiness of your people, the people with names and fingerprints and opinions and desires and dreams and souls.

00:36:18.240 Their happiness is the measure of your happiness.

00:36:22.980 Period.

00:36:23.620 And if you keep that in mind, I don't even know your names, but like, oh, I feel the warm vibe of everyone in this room.

00:36:34.120 And that's way more important to me than anything that happened in the debate.

00:36:36.700 So with that, I will stop and introduce with pride and affection my friend Charlie Kirk, who's an amazing person.

00:36:44.620 And there are a lot of things I could say about Charlie Kirk, who is the single most effective organizer of conservatives in the United States.

00:36:59.160 Charlie Kirk is doing what the RNC was supposed to do.

00:37:03.560 We have a political party for this.

00:37:05.600 But they're chartering jets and ordering floral arrangements so they don't have time.

00:37:14.080 But if you're looking for the organization that, I don't know, might keep voter fraud to a dull roar, it's Charlie Kirk's organization.

00:37:22.400 So I think he has a really meaningful place in American politics.

00:37:27.380 But that's not necessarily a compliment because most political people I know are sort of loathsome on both sides.

00:37:33.740 So the thing I'll say about Charlie Kirk and Heartfelt is that Charlie Kirk spends more time each day working as hard as he can to maintain moral balance and to serve the people around him who he actually is responsible for, his wife and children, and to be a decent human being than anybody in American politics.

00:37:51.720 And he's pulled it off.

00:37:52.640 And I just really, really appreciate that.

00:37:54.320 I don't trust anybody whose personal life isn't in order.

00:37:58.500 I'm sorry.

00:37:59.240 I just don't.

00:38:00.260 And his is.

00:38:00.900 So it's with admiration and anticipation because he's super interesting.

00:38:04.820 Ladies and gentlemen, Charlie Kirk.

00:38:15.320 Charlie Kirk, ladies and gentlemen.

00:38:16.920 Charlie, thank you for doing this.

00:38:18.160 Thank you, Tucker.

00:38:19.020 Hello, Wichita.

00:38:19.760 Great to be here.

00:38:20.480 I'm sure it'll get you in some kind of trouble, that intro, but it is literally true.

00:38:31.260 Is it kind of weird to have replaced an entire political party?

00:38:35.160 I mean, I don't know if we've done that.

00:38:36.900 Oh, okay.

00:38:38.060 Yeah, you have.

00:38:38.960 Just to be fair, I mean, the RNC used to be so weak and so feckless.

00:38:43.160 There's not much to replace.

00:38:44.860 Well, that's totally fair.

00:38:45.860 And the reason being, and this was our argument from the beginning, is that every one of you

00:38:51.840 deserve a Republican party as conservative as you are, period.

00:38:56.360 You deserve your leaders and your leadership to at least be in the same ballpark of your

00:39:02.480 values.

00:39:03.300 And we've seen this, Tucker, over the last couple of years, especially recently, where

00:39:07.480 in this audience, there's not a single person who thinks we should send money to Ukraine

00:39:11.280 while we are currently being invaded.

00:39:13.380 They think it's insane.

00:39:15.920 And yet, that is, so you have 7,000 people here tonight in Wichita, Kansas, that has basically

00:39:23.660 a unanimous agreement that our own borders come before the borders of a foreign country.

00:39:27.920 Super simple.

00:39:29.340 Super simple.

00:39:30.960 However, that is a minority opinion held by Senate Republicans.

00:39:36.260 And that's the, right there, we've identified something of which revolutions are made of.

00:39:44.240 Well, I think that's a really insightful point.

00:39:46.540 And just for people who don't have context on this, you would know because you know all

00:39:50.560 the Senate Republicans and no one is, you're not guessing in any of this.

00:39:53.800 No, I know every single one of them.

00:39:56.580 At least I can profile them and I know what they believe.

00:39:59.440 And I know at least 80% of them personally from text message, phone calls.

00:40:03.680 And you lived in D.C.

00:40:05.060 And it's as if they believe once they're in Washington, there's a secret society that they

00:40:10.120 enter.

00:40:10.720 And you guys just don't understand it like they do.

00:40:13.700 And again, not only are they wrong, but they're not there to actually come up with their own

00:40:20.700 opinions on these issues.

00:40:23.000 Their first concern should be, what do my voters want?

00:40:26.540 Because they're your proxy.

00:40:29.380 That's the system we have set up here.

00:40:31.420 It's not an oligarchy where they're there to tell you what they think in some sort of

00:40:35.260 a meeting with their national security team.

00:40:37.560 No, instead it's they're there to fulfill the mandate that the people put in the ballot

00:40:42.520 box.

00:40:43.520 And so we have a breakdown of our system.

00:40:45.960 And it's not just that issue, but it's issue after issue of major things that are tearing

00:40:50.420 this country apart.

00:40:51.240 And what gives me hope, but also anger is the people get it, is that the people in this

00:40:56.760 audience never want to see our country locked down again and called the church non-essential.

00:41:01.160 The people in this audience do not want to see the FBI get another building while moms

00:41:11.240 and dads are being profiled at school board meetings.

00:41:14.100 Steve Bannon is in federal prison and Donald Trump is facing 700 years in federal prison.

00:41:18.720 Why are Republicans giving the FBI a new building?

00:41:22.400 So the people get it, but our leaders seem as if they don't care about what their voters

00:41:28.980 think.

00:41:29.560 We're trying to fix that at Turning Point Action.

00:41:32.140 We're trying to make the very easy adjustment that the people and the voter sentiment should

00:41:37.700 be mirrored by how the Republicans in D.C. act.

00:41:41.080 But I got to say, bless you for saying everything you did, but I just wonder, this seems like

00:41:49.300 a crisis to me because the only legitimacy that our leaders have is the consent of the

00:41:54.640 governed.

00:41:55.280 We don't have a hereditary monarchy.

00:41:57.140 We don't have an oligarchy.

00:41:59.220 Our system is based on the idea, the democracy they're claiming to save is based on a single

00:42:04.080 idea, which is the people on the country, and that our leaders are legitimate to the

00:42:09.120 extent that they reflect our desires and views.

00:42:13.580 And when they don't, they're illegitimate.

00:42:15.980 They're tyrants.

00:42:17.180 Like, that's our system.

00:42:18.520 Is it not?

00:42:19.200 Am I missing something?

00:42:20.160 And it hasn't been our system for a couple decades, but Donald Trump revealed that that

00:42:25.920 system was no longer in existence.

00:42:27.580 And that might be his greatest and longest lasting contribution is that he comes around

00:42:33.280 and says, wait a second, you guys want a border wall and you don't want millions of

00:42:37.500 people coming across your border.

00:42:39.180 Why is Mitch McConnell been in Washington, D.C. for 40 years and we don't have a border

00:42:42.960 wall?

00:42:43.860 Why is it that Republicans have been running this place for so long and you guys have these

00:42:48.200 concerns that are constantly ignored?

00:42:50.580 Why is that we send our factories overseas to foreign nations and yet we have trillions of

00:42:55.600 dollars to go colonize Iraq and Afghanistan and try to have gender reassignment surgeries

00:43:01.340 in Syria or whatever the State Department is interested in?

00:43:04.260 And you're correct.

00:43:06.100 What we're experiencing over the last decade, in my opinion, is the revealing that the founder's

00:43:11.740 constitutional system has not been around for quite some time.

00:43:15.860 That the consent of the governed is a mirage.

00:43:18.060 We have these things called elections and that you vote for the lesser of two evils, which

00:43:22.440 you should all do.

00:43:23.220 But then they actually don't do what you want them to do when you send them to D.C.

00:43:26.900 Trump changed all of that.

00:43:28.740 And Trump changed that by going after the fundamental problems of what really Washington, D.C.

00:43:34.140 cares about.

00:43:35.060 Number one, that we should not import endless foreigners from the third world while our

00:43:40.240 own citizens are suffering.

00:43:41.700 That is number one.

00:43:42.420 Number two, the thing called free trade is a scam to get your garages filled with plastic

00:43:55.380 that you'll never use while your local factory closes and the school can't make payroll and

00:44:01.900 your community has to become poor.

00:44:03.560 But you're actually getting richer because it's called free trade.

00:44:05.740 And number three, which got him in the most trouble, is that it is not the American Defense

00:44:12.620 Department, Department of Defense's mission statement to try and break other countries,

00:44:17.620 to invade the world and invite the world.

00:44:19.960 The only mandate of the Department of Defense and the U.S. military is to protect our people

00:44:25.520 safe and to make sure that our nation is not under attack.

00:44:28.880 Now, just really quick, those three things are what we call the neoliberal consensus.

00:44:36.540 We use the word uniparty a lot, right?

00:44:38.720 That's the uniparty.

00:44:39.700 That's the uniparty.

00:44:40.820 This is why Kamala Harris is being endorsed by Dick Cheney because they agree on those three

00:44:47.020 things.

00:44:47.960 No restrictions on who comes into America.

00:44:50.320 It does not matter how much crap you import from the third world with plastics or textiles

00:44:54.740 because we don't need to make stuff here.

00:44:56.180 And finally, we're going to invade every sovereign country that looks at us funny.

00:45:00.160 Those three things have been governing the country the last 40 or 50 years.

00:45:03.620 The reason they hate Trump is not because he talks funny.

00:45:07.420 It's not because, you know, he's all these different, you know, whatever names they say.

00:45:11.160 It's because he does not believe in the core religious orthodoxy of the neoliberal governing

00:45:18.520 elite of Washington, D.C.

00:45:20.800 That's why they hate him.

00:45:22.060 So, all of us have a long mental list of all the things that you should be doing, but

00:45:27.980 you keep putting off, folding your laundry, going to the gym, stop eating Oreos, doing

00:45:32.320 the dishes, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:45:34.720 Shopping for life insurance probably shouldn't be on that list.

00:45:38.840 But it is for a lot of people because it's hard and it takes a lot of time.

00:45:42.780 But all of a sudden, it's not hard and it doesn't take much time at all.

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00:46:59.940 I think that's, I don't even think that's an opinion.

00:47:18.380 I think it's a very succinct and nicely put description, but it's hard to see how anyone

00:47:23.540 could argue with that.

00:47:24.660 Clearly, Dick Cheney just endorsed Carmela Harris.

00:47:26.980 Like, Dick Cheney, which is kind of a cool, no, I mean, I'm not, really?

00:47:33.600 So, they get a guy who believes you should kill people for profit, we get Bobby Kennedy?

00:47:38.260 I think that's fine.

00:47:39.120 I mean, I'm actually pretty, I'm kind of happy about it.

00:47:43.920 He and his horrible daughter, his repulsive little daughter, anyway, sorry, not to make

00:47:50.000 it personal.

00:47:50.480 Well, she put a friend of mine in jail, and I texted her, I knew her really well, I texted

00:47:56.180 her, I said, I can't, you know, examine your conscience, Liz.

00:48:01.720 She never spoke to me again, but I meant it.

00:48:04.040 She has no conscience.

00:48:05.820 But, okay, so let's just get specific really quick.

00:48:07.600 I love what you said.

00:48:09.040 On the question, we'll just pick one, well, pick it because we're, I can't say this enough,

00:48:13.080 on the brink of nuclear exchange.

00:48:14.360 I'm not, people I know who know a lot about this are very afraid right now, this evening,

00:48:21.040 September 13th, 2024, so I'm upset about it.

00:48:23.880 How did we get here?

00:48:24.780 Well, we got here not because Republicans are like, no, no, no, really, the border of some

00:48:28.540 Eastern European country I can't find is much more important than the border at Laredo.

00:48:33.440 No, we got here because our ruling class decided that this was the most important adventure

00:48:38.180 going.

00:48:39.940 And then we have a leadership change in the Republican Party, and Mike Johnson from Louisiana,

00:48:43.660 who I knew is like sort of a normal person, comes in and announces within like a week

00:48:49.300 that his top priority is funding for Ukraine.

00:48:53.200 And I called him, and I was like, what?

00:48:55.500 And he did not give me a straight answer.

00:48:57.080 I don't know the answer.

00:48:57.960 How does a guy like Mike Johnson, who always seemed like a nice guy to me, how does he wind

00:49:02.280 up buying into a lie like that that has no connection to the preference of the actual

00:49:07.640 American public, and it could get our country destroyed?

00:49:10.180 How did he get there?

00:49:11.140 Yeah, and look, I have a similar relationship with Mike Johnson.

00:49:14.560 I give him grace, then I get really mad, and then I give him grace, and then I get really

00:49:18.220 mad.

00:49:19.280 And he forgives actually amazingly well when I call him out, and I say that he's destroying

00:49:23.880 the country.

00:49:24.420 So I have to give him credit for that.

00:49:26.220 You know what set me off with Mike Johnson?

00:49:28.720 There are so many things, I don't know.

00:49:30.340 When he, as a lawyer, voted to say that the FBI doesn't need to get a warrant to spy on

00:49:36.520 us as American citizens.

00:49:37.940 That drove me crazy.

00:49:41.160 I'm sure they won't abuse it.

00:49:42.840 The Biden administration just put Tulsi Gabbard on the terror watch list.

00:49:47.320 She serves in the U.S. military right now.

00:49:49.580 And the intel agencies have spied on your text messages.

00:49:52.220 A lot.

00:49:53.000 A lot, and probably spied on mine.

00:49:54.620 I mean, they're spying on all of us.

00:49:55.600 And here's Mike Johnson, who goes and casts the tie-breaking vote, which is very rare for

00:50:01.200 a Speaker of the House to do.

00:50:02.740 Exceedingly rare.

00:50:04.180 Basically, all of it would have said is like, hey, FBI, you have to get a warrant before

00:50:08.420 you spy on American citizens' text exchanges.

00:50:11.560 He said, no, I want to give the Biden-FBI, in the middle of a campaign season, unrestricted

00:50:17.060 access to all Trump campaign emails, all text messages, all phone calls.

00:50:21.920 And I found that to be so reckless and irresponsible.

00:50:25.860 Do you know what was the kicker, though?

00:50:27.260 You can go back for seven years.

00:50:29.260 For seven years, when he was on a committee, he was totally against the FISA statute.

00:50:34.980 And as soon as he became Speaker of the House, he's like, well, you know, I think it's very

00:50:38.660 important because a bunch of Americans are going to die if we don't have the warrants and

00:50:42.660 if we don't have all this.

00:50:43.380 But therein lies the mystery.

00:50:44.880 And it's a sincere mystery.

00:50:46.000 And I even asked him, like, you seem nice.

00:50:47.760 When did you become a monster?

00:50:48.800 You know, people are not self-aware enough to give clear answers to questions like that.

00:50:52.380 But you know him.

00:50:54.820 What happened?

00:50:55.920 I can't speak to that.

00:50:57.280 Again, I can say, though, that he is a creature.

00:51:02.620 He's a symptom of this machine where unless you are, you have the fortitude of somebody like

00:51:10.160 Donald Trump or Bobby Kennedy, who you're willing to get shot at, see your uncle shot, see your

00:51:15.520 dad shot, see yourself indicted, see yourself smeared and canceled, which is a very rare

00:51:20.300 breed.

00:51:21.140 And understand, Donald Trump and Bobby Kennedy have something in common, which Thomas Massey

00:51:25.500 also has, which is a genetic deformity, by the way, which is that you happen to be likable,

00:51:32.800 but you don't care what people think about you.

00:51:35.200 Very, very hard to find that combination.

00:51:37.280 And so Donald Trump and Bobby Kennedy, that's what makes them such a threat to the system.

00:51:46.820 Mike Johnson would be an amazing chair of an elder board of a local church.

00:51:52.220 I have no doubt.

00:51:53.600 Right?

00:51:54.060 No, I mean that.

00:51:55.020 As long as things are going well, he'd be great.

00:51:56.800 No, right.

00:51:57.240 Exactly.

00:51:57.720 Like the ties in the offerings.

00:51:58.820 But hey, if they have to go, like, build a new cafeteria, like, get them out of the way.

00:52:01.960 Right?

00:52:03.120 But this goes to the point is that the, and I have some sympathy for him, some not, because

00:52:08.720 he didn't want the job and he got the job and fine.

00:52:11.980 But he was not the person to stand up to the CIA or the FBI.

00:52:17.140 These are the most powerful institutions on the planet.

00:52:19.400 And they just had him for lunch, literally.

00:52:21.220 One security briefing.

00:52:22.720 He's like, oh, well, you know, I got briefed in a skiff.

00:52:25.080 And, you know, at a skiff, a bunch of generals come in with their medals and they do a bunch

00:52:29.940 of woo-woo and they say, you know, here we have the A-Rod region and the D-Slam.

00:52:37.980 And if we don't spy on all the text messages of the MAGA faithful in Manhattan, Kansas,

00:52:43.200 you know, we might have another 9-11.

00:52:45.760 And he says, well, that makes perfect sense to me.

00:52:47.980 You know, we might as well keep on having that.

00:52:50.240 And so.

00:52:51.360 As soon as they release the classified 9-11 documents, then I'll know what 9-11 was

00:52:55.000 and I'll be able to understand that metaphor.

00:52:56.600 Right.

00:52:56.800 Well, and I just, no, I totally agree.

00:52:59.500 By the way, Donald Trump should declassify all JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, MLK, and 9-11 documents

00:53:06.640 on day one.

00:53:07.320 Do we agree?

00:53:10.180 Can I just ask you a question?

00:53:12.300 Because sometimes it's more revealing to flip thing, you know, do the photographic negative

00:53:16.320 of something, the reverse of it.

00:53:17.760 What would be the justification for keeping those documents secret?

00:53:22.500 JFK?

00:53:23.800 9-11 was 23 years ago.

00:53:25.580 Like, why can't, why can't I see it?

00:53:27.320 I lift her then.

00:53:28.240 I know someone who died.

00:53:29.400 Like, no, I don't have a right to see that.

00:53:30.840 Why?

00:53:31.240 I totally agree.

00:53:32.000 The 9-11 excuse, they say, well, people are still alive that know stuff.

00:53:35.000 That's all a bunch of nonsense.

00:53:35.900 Well, I'm still alive and I want to know.

00:53:38.060 I paid for it.

00:53:39.100 I live here.

00:53:39.860 I'm a citizen.

00:53:40.960 What?

00:53:42.260 No, of course.

00:53:43.100 Sorry.

00:53:43.420 I just love it.

00:53:45.000 I'm sorry.

00:53:45.440 It just enrages me.

00:53:46.860 No, we're going to get to the point, by the way, where we're going to be so disconnected

00:53:50.340 from the JFK assassination.

00:53:51.880 It will be like the Lincoln assassination.

00:53:53.760 It'll be like 170 years.

00:53:55.600 And they'll say, no, no, we have to keep it declassified.

00:53:57.860 Let's just talk about JFK.

00:53:59.140 It's so obvious why they're keeping that declassified.

00:54:02.840 Because at the very least, the government knew it was going to happen.

00:54:05.940 And at the probable, the government was involved in the assassination of JFK.

00:54:10.460 And therefore, no, this is important, because therefore, it is an introductory radicalization

00:54:18.480 event.

00:54:19.080 And they know that.

00:54:20.860 An introductory radicalization event is what all of you had during COVID, which is where

00:54:26.560 you start to then go down a sequence of questions.

00:54:30.800 And once you begin, there's no stopping you.

00:54:33.200 Wait a second.

00:54:34.340 They just told us to wear masks when I shower.

00:54:36.420 Like, that doesn't make any sense.

00:54:38.540 Wait, it's not safe and effective?

00:54:40.460 Like, wait, my aunt's on her 11th booster, and she has COVID more than I do.

00:54:47.920 That's weird.

00:54:49.140 And so an introductory radicalizing event is when all of a sudden, basically, the inner

00:54:56.820 question asker within you is liberated.

00:54:59.340 You guys all know exactly what I'm talking about, right?

00:55:02.140 And at that moment, you're the most dangerous you could possibly be to tyranny and to an illegitimate

00:55:09.860 regime.

00:55:10.900 And JFK assuredly has elements of that, that if we get to the facts, again, we don't know,

00:55:17.180 but we can speculate.

00:55:18.400 We know that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't act alone.

00:55:20.740 We know that there's some very suspicious stuff of the motorcade slowing down, what happened

00:55:23.800 to JFK's head, what happened to the grassy knoll, why Zapruder got it on film, head went

00:55:27.840 back to the right.

00:55:28.620 Again, this is not a JFK presentation.

00:55:30.020 Oh, let's go, Charlie.

00:55:31.900 No, I'm just being honest, right?

00:55:33.700 And they're very elementary telling that Lee Harvey Oswald from the Texas School Book

00:55:39.820 Depository, who was a bad shot in his class with a single bolt action rifle, was able

00:55:44.060 to get off that many rounds in a short period of time with pinpoint accuracy, be able to

00:55:47.600 get JFK twice in the head and then also penetrate the governor of Texas without a second shooter

00:55:52.420 yet.

00:55:52.600 Every witness said, yeah, there was something kind of there on that hill, like, shut up,

00:55:55.780 we're going to cancel you.

00:55:57.640 Of course, something happened there.

00:55:59.440 All of a sudden, if there is a second shooter of the grassy knoll, therefore, the government

00:56:03.780 lied about it, covered it up, was probably involved, therefore, ask the question, what

00:56:07.840 else is our government involved in?

00:56:09.940 And it is the beginning of the end of the illegitimacy of this government.

00:56:13.820 And they know that.

00:56:15.000 So they must keep it declassified.

00:56:18.600 But there's only so many of these things they can cover up because now with the internet,

00:56:23.700 with social media, and the power of programs like Tucker's and our podcast, they're not

00:56:29.220 able to control the corporate media like they were before.

00:56:31.780 And they know that.

00:56:33.020 And thanks to Rumble and Elon Musk buying Twitter and X, we are on the precipice, regardless

00:56:40.140 of what happens in November, of the greatest enlightenment and the greatest eye-opening event

00:56:46.460 in modern American history where millions of people can finally see the truth, and those

00:56:52.040 of us are Christians, no, the truth will set you free.

00:56:55.400 Amen.

00:56:56.460 Amen.

00:56:59.240 I didn't know any of this.

00:57:00.580 If you'd asked me 20 years, I mean, my dad worked for the government.

00:57:03.780 I lived in D.C. from the age of 15.

00:57:06.020 I sort of bought into every lie.

00:57:08.100 And, um...

00:57:08.900 Yeah.

00:57:12.120 I did wonder what the...

00:57:13.340 I mean, I'm a hunter and a rifle shooter, and that's one of the crappiest rifles you could

00:57:16.880 ever buy.

00:57:18.340 With, like...

00:57:18.700 Butler.

00:57:19.400 No, no, no.

00:57:20.140 The Lee Harvey Oswald rifle.

00:57:22.320 No, no, no, for sure.

00:57:22.820 Are you joking?

00:57:24.060 With, like, corrosive primer garbage ammo?

00:57:26.620 Really?

00:57:26.820 That's what he used to say?

00:57:27.600 I never believed that part of it.

00:57:28.780 But leaving that aside, I wonder if by continuing to lie, they aren't about everything.

00:57:36.620 They're driving all of us a little crazy.

00:57:39.380 Well, this is why your faith is the most important thing.

00:57:42.680 Because for those of us that are Christians, it doesn't drive you crazy.

00:57:47.480 You actually see what's going on, which is that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood,

00:57:53.200 but against principalities and darkness and spirits, that there is a spiritual war here.

00:57:58.440 And you're right, Tucker.

00:58:00.780 I find people in this space that are not anchored to faith, anchored to Jesus, they do lose their

00:58:08.980 mind.

00:58:09.920 Because there is no rational or reasonable explanation for what the country is doing to

00:58:16.960 itself or what we are experiencing.

00:58:18.880 But if you then see and you know that there is a God and we are not him, that there is

00:58:25.820 an entire dimension of angels and demons and spirits that are constantly struggling around

00:58:32.120 us, and that there is a supernatural dimension, as you mentioned, all of a sudden, that does

00:58:37.560 then make sense.

00:58:38.880 That does, it does not make any rational sense to shut down your schools so you can sacrifice

00:58:45.220 the kids so the elderly can live.

00:58:47.280 That makes no sense whatsoever.

00:58:49.300 It makes no sense whatsoever to keep your marijuana dispensaries open and your alcohol

00:58:56.020 shops open, but the church non-essential.

00:58:58.860 Only a demonic enterprise would do such a thing.

00:59:02.220 Only a demonic enterprise would say that Easter and Pentecost are non-essential, but race rioting

00:59:10.720 and burning down a Wendy's is a central activity.

00:59:13.020 And, Tucker, you talk about this a lot.

00:59:17.660 For those of us that know the truth, we know that our God is a God of order and distinction.

00:59:23.660 What is the first thing that God did?

00:59:25.480 In the Hebrew scriptures, it says, well, and also our scripture in the original Genesis,

00:59:29.960 Bereshit, which is, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and then he separated

00:59:33.960 and he made sense.

00:59:35.260 He made order out of chaos.

00:59:36.800 Our God is a God of order, and order only comes with distinctions, and distinctions are

00:59:43.380 necessary.

00:59:44.000 Think about all the distinctions that God set up in the first six books of Genesis that are

00:59:48.820 currently under attack.

00:59:49.960 The distinction between male and female, the distinction between man and nature, the distinction

00:59:57.280 between the holy and the profane, the distinction between good and evil, the distinction between infant

01:00:05.140 and adult.

01:00:06.440 These distinctions have always been what Western civilization were built upon, but it is Satan's

01:00:12.320 goal to blur and eventually destroy those distinctions, because those distinctions of which

01:00:17.420 we get order, and if you do not have that order, then you have the closest thing to Satanic

01:00:22.340 chaos here in our country.

01:00:25.560 Man!

01:00:28.280 It's so, it's amazing to me personally to hear you say that and to nod in vehement agreement

01:00:35.400 with every word that you said, considering I think I was the most secular person on planet

01:00:40.320 earth just like 10 years ago, and I've arrived at exactly those conclusions, I think inductively,

01:00:46.360 but also instinctively, what you said is true.

01:00:48.440 That is true what you just said.

01:00:50.140 So, as someone else who's changed his mind about everything, and I'm happy to admit it,

01:00:55.600 tell me about the progress of your thinking about politics.

01:01:00.300 You're one of the, one of the reasons I respect you is because you've always been honest about

01:01:04.120 how you think about things, and when you change your mind, you proclaim it loudly.

01:01:07.860 The evidence changed, and so did my conclusion.

01:01:10.500 I've heard you say that.

01:01:11.640 So, tell me what the progress was like for you.

01:01:14.340 Yeah, and it's interesting, we're in Wichita, which is actually fitting, because there is

01:01:19.100 a reason that actually, and you know where I'm going with this.

01:01:22.000 I know exactly where you're going.

01:01:23.060 There's a large black building nearby.

01:01:25.100 Yeah, I don't know if it's black or white.

01:01:26.680 It is.

01:01:27.100 Rainbow.

01:01:27.900 It might be rainbow, actually.

01:01:29.980 Which is this, which is that early when I got my start in the conservative movement

01:01:33.340 in 2012, 13, 14, 15, hyper-libertarian forces had taken over the conservative movement.

01:01:39.820 Now, I'm very libertarian on certain things.

01:01:41.360 I'm libertarian on free speech, on privacy issues, I'm libertarian on guns, right?

01:01:46.720 I'm libertarian on certain things.

01:01:48.500 However, the kind of libertarianization of the conservative movement was actually not

01:01:53.660 good for us.

01:01:54.680 It was not good for us to stop caring about the nuclear family.

01:01:58.380 It was not good for us to all of a sudden say that borders don't matter and that America

01:02:03.100 is just an idea and it's an experiment.

01:02:05.460 I fell for that crap for a couple of years in 2015, 16, 17.

01:02:10.280 Again, I'm not trying to pick on any sort of thing here in Wichita, but billions of dollars

01:02:13.600 have flowed out of this city into the conservative movement to try to make us less conservative

01:02:18.640 and more liberal in the conservative movement.

01:02:21.160 That's a fact, okay?

01:02:22.100 It is a fact.

01:02:23.240 And I think it's a tragedy, actually.

01:02:25.400 And I credit Donald Trump for waking me up because Donald Trump in his, it's, I never

01:02:33.780 got angry at the time.

01:02:35.260 It wasn't angry.

01:02:35.740 I never got unsettled about when Donald Trump would insult the reporter or do the Rosie O'Donnell

01:02:40.800 thing.

01:02:41.360 Do you know what always made me unsettled?

01:02:43.220 When Donald Trump would bluntly ask a question that I didn't have a good answer to.

01:02:48.940 When Donald Trump would say, and why are we bringing in people from around the world

01:02:52.680 that hate us?

01:02:53.360 And I'd say, well, according to the macroeconomic theory, as espoused by F.A.

01:02:57.840 Hayek and Mon Mises, if you look at the curve, you have a steady flow of people coming from

01:03:02.520 other countries, then their economic efficiency and output is actually outweighed and therefore

01:03:06.720 a good thing.

01:03:07.180 It's like, what am I saying to myself?

01:03:09.340 It's called rationalization.

01:03:11.140 And what Trump was able to do is he never went through that nonsensical abstraction, like

01:03:18.280 exercise.

01:03:18.840 Donald Trump, at his best, is someone that has always been so focused on the real and

01:03:24.700 the immediate.

01:03:25.680 Job sites, construction sites, the muscular class, building real things.

01:03:31.620 Donald Trump has never been worried about the platonic idea of love.

01:03:36.360 That is not Donald Trump's thing.

01:03:39.740 Do we all agree with that, right?

01:03:41.760 And he went light on the Play-Doh in college.

01:03:44.740 And that's fine.

01:03:45.420 That's right.

01:03:46.080 And people say, oh, Donald Trump is dumb.

01:03:48.980 No, Donald Trump is wise.

01:03:51.440 And he does not get credit for being wise.

01:03:54.420 Wise is the knowledge of things that do not change.

01:03:57.300 So Donald Trump loves the country.

01:03:58.700 He comes along and he's like, the country that I love is being abused and has become

01:04:02.780 a dumping ground for the third world.

01:04:04.300 It is actively being looted.

01:04:06.840 This is bad.

01:04:08.800 And at the time, I wasn't that forceful against the opposition, but I remember like privately

01:04:13.600 being like, oh, he doesn't understand the economic theory behind all of this.

01:04:17.540 And the more I was challenged and questioned, I didn't have a good answer to that.

01:04:21.820 And so it made me start to ask the question, what do I really value?

01:04:25.440 Do I value economic theory?

01:04:27.520 Or do I value my family and my fellow countrymen?

01:04:32.120 Like, do I value a bumper sticker that says that, you know, I don't know, whatever stupid

01:04:38.020 libertarian bumper sticker that was around, you know, five or six years ago, we like live

01:04:42.140 and let live.

01:04:42.880 Or do I value children that should not be subject, subjected to drag queen story hour at their

01:04:49.740 local library?

01:04:50.720 Like, which one is it actually?

01:04:52.200 And, or, and so, and then I've always been a Christian and connect the dots.

01:04:58.500 And I got to be honest, Tucker, you were the one that radicalized me more than anybody else

01:05:02.620 the last five to 10 years.

01:05:04.220 Do you guys agree?

01:05:05.640 Because then Tucker would go on his Fox show and would just start asking the same questions

01:05:11.080 and would have guests that would ask the questions and they'd always attack Tucker.

01:05:14.600 Oh, he's just asking questions.

01:05:16.540 But isn't that what the pursuit of truth is all about?

01:05:19.800 Isn't that what Christ our Lord did?

01:05:22.200 And if you don't have good answers to simple questions, maybe you're not that deep.

01:05:28.360 Maybe you've overthought yourself into some sort of word salad and you can't answer in

01:05:33.560 a beautiful and a crisp way because you're actually not that deep and you're not protecting

01:05:39.400 things that are good and that are true and everlasting and divine and eternal.

01:05:43.880 And so for me, especially 2017, 18, 19, where I said some really stupid stuff, it really

01:05:49.920 made me go on this journey.

01:05:50.900 And then when I met my wife and we got married and have children, all of a sudden I said,

01:05:55.980 that's my mission statement.

01:05:57.820 It's not about trying to defend democracy in Haiti.

01:06:01.840 My mission statement is my children.

01:06:04.220 My mission statement is to make sure my kids can be raised in a healthy, safe, clean, and

01:06:09.460 orderly country and not have to worry about some foreigner that's been imported from the

01:06:14.960 third world that is going to commit violence against them, that they're going to have to

01:06:18.520 compete against them to buy a home, that they're going to have to compete against them to get

01:06:22.340 a job.

01:06:23.180 And so my mission statement changed from something that was distant and very, very far away in

01:06:31.700 the clouds to what is immediate.

01:06:33.620 And those of us that are conservatives, we must understand, and Tucker hit it in his opening

01:06:37.880 address, it is easy and it is simple and tempting to say that you're fighting climate

01:06:43.540 change.

01:06:45.360 It's hard to raise good kids.

01:06:49.340 And the people who want to fight climate change, they tend to not put any of their energy towards

01:06:55.740 raising good people.

01:06:57.700 Well, totally.

01:06:59.000 I mean, no, no, I love it.

01:07:01.960 I love everything that you're saying.

01:07:04.100 And I just always think to my, I never articulate it, but I think, well, I think a lot of things

01:07:09.140 I don't articulate.

01:07:10.440 As my wife always says, you need to understand the beauty of the unexpressed thought.

01:07:16.180 But I often think when I'm getting a moral lecture from one of, you know, somebody in

01:07:20.720 charge, which is the one thing they're really good at, is immediately seizing the moral high

01:07:25.400 ground, people who have no basis for moral certainty, seize the moral high ground and

01:07:31.240 start lecturing you like you're a bad person.

01:07:33.400 But I always think to myself, why don't you, I don't know, let's just start with the basics.

01:07:37.400 Why don't you make the same woman happy for 30 years and get back to me?

01:07:40.760 Okay?

01:07:41.840 Why don't we start there?

01:07:42.860 Have you done that?

01:07:43.540 Have you made the same woman happy for 30 years?

01:07:45.080 I don't think you're capable of that, actually.

01:07:47.220 I also don't think you could change a tire.

01:07:48.940 So why don't you shut up?

01:07:49.700 Um, so yeah, because it's like all that matters are the things that really matter.

01:07:55.460 And by the way, this whole system is created, and I mean the economic system, in which Joe

01:08:01.660 Biden voters own 70% of the nation's wealth and the useful people own 30%, the whole system

01:08:07.500 is set up to give money and prestige to useless people who in a fair society would be screwed

01:08:14.560 because they can't do anything.

01:08:16.300 And that's the truth.

01:08:17.340 So all the things you actually need in life are provided by a really small number of people

01:08:23.140 who are also the worst paid.

01:08:25.080 So I just, I'm just throwing this out there, and I don't mean any offense to the Kochs,

01:08:27.960 but I actually think that we could get by a week in this country without private equity.

01:08:31.300 I just think we could.

01:08:31.900 I think we could survive.

01:08:32.700 I think we could, we could do that if we all banded together.

01:08:35.860 Do you know what I mean?

01:08:36.340 Or like the payday loan people.

01:08:37.500 I think we could probably make it without them.

01:08:39.140 But you know what we couldn't make it without?

01:08:40.260 Like farmers, people who grow the food, or who fix the cars, or pick the houses,

01:08:44.780 or plumb the bathrooms.

01:08:46.580 It seems like all the useful people are despised, and the totally useless people are deified.

01:08:52.940 So it's like, how long could you live?

01:08:54.600 If DEI consultants were eliminated tomorrow, would your kids come to you and say,

01:08:58.000 Dad, I can't make it another day without a DEI consultant?

01:09:01.400 Or school counselors.

01:09:02.740 I don't know what to do.

01:09:03.440 I don't have a school counselor.

01:09:05.220 Some heavyset middle-aged lady pushing transgenderism on my kids.

01:09:08.660 I don't know how we could exist without that.

01:09:11.620 And the truth is, we'd be not only fine, but much improved.

01:09:16.000 And yet they somehow have all the money and all the moral authority.

01:09:21.280 And they're writing pieces in The Atlantic about how you're evil,

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01:11:00.540 So yes, really everything that you rejected is this incredibly sophisticated justification

01:11:08.300 for the worst kind of behavior, including economic behavior, which we've been trained

01:11:12.620 to ignore, but how did all the money get in the hands of the worst people?

01:11:16.720 How did the people who killed Jeffrey Epstein, how did they get private planes?

01:11:20.640 And the best people in the country are so deeply in debt they can't go on vacation.

01:11:24.840 That's not a good system, I don't care what you call it, it's not a free market, it's

01:11:28.620 a totally rigged market, a market rigged for the worst people.

01:11:33.580 And look at where the wealthiest counties are.

01:11:37.960 The wealthiest counties in America, which vote for Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, geographically

01:11:43.080 used to be around Chicago and Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, it used to be in the Heartland.

01:11:48.560 Now eight out of 10 of the wealthiest counties in America are around Washington DC, it's

01:11:51.700 the ruling class corridor.

01:11:53.700 And what do they create?

01:11:55.500 Well, you guys here in Wichita, Kansas, you create real stuff here, you make real things.

01:12:01.500 It's not abstraction.

01:12:03.000 You guys aren't just trading derivatives and you're not just shorting stocks.

01:12:06.840 You're making airplanes.

01:12:07.840 Like I like airplanes.

01:12:08.840 That's cool.

01:12:09.840 Yes.

01:12:10.840 And, or you're extracting minerals from the earth or you're growing food or you're transporting

01:12:16.960 those goods and services.

01:12:17.840 You're making real stuff.

01:12:19.840 And yet the center of wealth has gravitated away from production of things that you need

01:12:25.840 to survive towards an upside down looting operation that we call paying taxes.

01:12:31.180 And that upside down looting operation is that you are penalized for playing by the rules.

01:12:37.060 You have to pay taxes that you can't afford that break your back.

01:12:39.840 And also you get a tax with inflation and everything else gets more expensive.

01:12:43.840 And then the parasites in DC, they take that money and they reverse launder it back while

01:12:49.380 they then are able to build an imperial capital for what?

01:12:54.060 So our capital went from a place that was nice to visit and was clean and orderly to now

01:13:00.460 being basically the wealth center of the country.

01:13:03.600 And that is a bad, bad sign, everybody.

01:13:06.600 The wealth place should be decentralized and around where entrepreneurs are, where real

01:13:12.820 choices are made, where manufacturing is, not of just the managerial class.

01:13:18.200 And then also look at what their values and their morals are.

01:13:22.360 Around DC is the most secular, the least religious, the most hostile to your value system and your

01:13:28.000 worldview, and yet they're extracting your money and they're not doing it voluntarily.

01:13:32.600 And that's the kicker.

01:13:33.420 For all of you here that have made money, you've made money through persuading somebody to buy

01:13:39.800 your good or service.

01:13:41.420 In DC, they make it by force, but with a gun.

01:13:45.740 They put the gun to your head, give us money.

01:13:48.160 And if not, we're going to put you in federal prison if you don't pay your taxes.

01:13:52.040 And in DC, similar to what we saw during COVID is you fail upward.

01:13:57.220 In short, Anthony Fauci gets promoted after what he did during COVID.

01:14:01.600 In a real world, Anthony Fauci should be in Gitmo for what he did during COVID.

01:14:10.600 But in the world of DC, he's lauded.

01:14:15.840 Peter struck, stroke, smirk, promoted.

01:14:18.320 He has a professorship at Georgetown.

01:14:20.140 Lisa Page, Lois Lerner from the IRS scandal.

01:14:22.960 No one there is held accountable.

01:14:25.520 And the founders never envisioned this form of government.

01:14:29.420 And again, one of the reasons why Trump is so popular is that he has identified it and

01:14:34.800 he has antagonized this Leviathan, this fourth branch of government.

01:14:39.200 And I don't know how much more the heartland of the country can stand the abuse.

01:14:43.340 And can I just talk about Springfield, Ohio, really quick?

01:14:45.900 Of course.

01:14:46.360 With the Haitian cat eaters that are coming in.

01:14:50.760 Which, by the way, I did not anticipate us talking about cats this much in the 2024 election.

01:14:56.420 It's just really amazing.

01:14:57.400 I don't even like cats and here I am defending them, you know.

01:15:01.200 I'm neutral on the cat question, for the record, okay?

01:15:03.660 Um, so, but Springfield, Ohio is a perfect example of how the ruling class has treated the heartland

01:15:12.580 of the country.

01:15:13.440 Step one, we close the factories and we send them overseas so that people don't have work.

01:15:18.800 Step two, we flood those communities with opioids so that they're permanently addicted and we

01:15:23.980 kill a lot of them.

01:15:25.220 Step three, we send their kids, their sons and daughters to go fight no-win wars and they

01:15:30.180 come back with permanent health issues.

01:15:32.000 Step four, we flood their town with foreigners after we've completely abused and broken them

01:15:38.560 and we sent their jobs overseas.

01:15:40.880 Step five, the residents who are still there and have survived all this abuse notice that

01:15:46.980 the foreigners are doing really weird stuff and illegal stuff like driving ahead on traffic,

01:15:52.480 killing kids, eating cats, and taking geese out of the pond.

01:15:55.600 And then we call the people that are still there in Springfield racist after their factories

01:16:01.140 have closed and their sons died in Iraq and they're addicted to opioids and their local

01:16:05.940 schools being overrun by Haitians.

01:16:07.440 But they're racist for noticing that their home is turning into Port-au-Prince.

01:16:12.240 And you wonder why Donald Trump's poll numbers don't go down.

01:16:18.640 You wonder why so many people wear that red MAGA hat in Springfield, Ohio, because he is

01:16:23.040 the only lifeline that these people have.

01:16:25.280 He is the only hope that they have.

01:16:26.840 The only person that does not insult them or talk down to them and wants to lead a rebellion

01:16:32.000 and yes, a revenge campaign against the people that have done this to them and destroyed their home.

01:16:38.600 Amen.

01:16:42.040 It's not only is it homicidal, which it is.

01:16:47.040 The Sacklers are still billionaires, by the way.

01:16:48.980 Their names are still in the buildings at Harvard.

01:16:50.440 But it's insulting.

01:16:53.240 And that's what I kind of can't take.

01:16:55.340 I live in a very rural area.

01:16:56.580 Our waterfowl season starts really soon.

01:16:58.260 I got a call from a friend of mine yesterday.

01:17:00.080 And it's just interesting to see people's different takes on news stories.

01:17:03.760 He's not against Haitians.

01:17:04.900 He doesn't know where Haiti is.

01:17:06.100 But he's like, and I've shot geese my whole life, I'll just say.

01:17:10.320 I plan to do it again in a few weeks.

01:17:12.560 And he goes, if I shot a goose without a license, a game warden would hold me off.

01:17:17.260 How do these people show up to our country and they kill the geese and don't have to buy a license?

01:17:23.600 I mean, it's a different way of thinking about it.

01:17:26.040 But his takeaway was the same.

01:17:27.600 And by the way, I just want to say, I don't think they're eating the geese.

01:17:29.560 I think they're sacrificing.

01:17:30.900 I mean, they're coming from a country where witchcraft is the dominant religion.

01:17:33.880 That's a fact.

01:17:34.820 And anyone who denies it hasn't ever actually been to the country, as I have,

01:17:38.380 or doesn't know anything about it.

01:17:39.280 That's a fact.

01:17:40.140 I don't think we should import people who practice witchcraft.

01:17:42.920 I think that should be illegal.

01:17:44.480 I'm sorry.

01:17:45.080 It's my country.

01:17:45.740 I don't want witchcraft here.

01:17:47.580 Fair?

01:17:48.380 Oh, shut up.

01:17:49.380 I don't care what you call me.

01:17:50.920 No witchcraft, because it's real.

01:17:53.580 But what I notice most is the hatred that leaders have for the country.

01:18:00.340 It's hatred.

01:18:01.460 You watch them as they die.

01:18:02.620 You don't care.

01:18:03.860 You lecture them.

01:18:05.380 Our senile president screamed at Americans who dared to complain about the disappearing geese today.

01:18:10.820 You're racists.

01:18:12.100 This is an attack on a group.

01:18:13.520 No, it's not.

01:18:14.000 Don't treat me with contempt.

01:18:15.680 Giving people who come here illegally cell phones, housing vouchers, free plane tickets.

01:18:24.240 Rural hospitals across the country are closing because the emergency rooms are overburdened by people who broke the law to get here.

01:18:29.960 You can't get health care.

01:18:31.800 Try to go to an emergency room right now.

01:18:33.740 You can't get medical care.

01:18:34.780 You pay for that.

01:18:36.080 It's the most insulting thing I've ever seen.

01:18:39.280 By the way, not an attack on the people who came here.

01:18:41.060 I would have, too.

01:18:42.560 I mean, I'm not mad at them, actually.

01:18:44.340 I'm mad at our leaders.

01:18:46.780 I've never seen any population treated the way Americans are being treated by their leaders now.

01:18:53.380 And I'm very worried that at some point people will be like, I'm not putting up with this.

01:18:56.520 I don't know why anybody pays taxes in this country.

01:19:00.040 For the record, I'm not counseling not pay your taxes because I don't want to get arrested.

01:19:04.140 But I just don't understand the consent level in this country is still incredibly high.

01:19:08.460 Maybe we're just like moving through the motions or something.

01:19:10.880 All the good people are the people they lecture and call names.

01:19:15.360 And because they are good people, they're dutiful people, and they just do what they think they're supposed to do.

01:19:19.400 But I don't know why they're doing it.

01:19:20.920 Why would you send a dollar to people who laugh over your death?

01:19:24.500 Your nephew dies of fentanyl and they don't care, and you're still sending them money?

01:19:27.440 I don't get that, honestly.

01:19:28.620 Yeah, and the answer, though, Tucker, is because they've done a successful pattern of show trials.

01:19:36.820 Oh, I know.

01:19:37.240 And no, this is a real thing.

01:19:38.400 Why do I still pay taxes and you?

01:19:40.320 Obviously, because we have friends in federal prison.

01:19:43.320 Like Steve Bannon right now is in federal prison for not committing a crime.

01:19:47.800 And they do this, by the way, to chill the population, to remind you that your door could get knocked on next.

01:19:54.840 And your business could get raided.

01:19:56.340 Now, mind you, this is what Sam Francis, by the way, you're not allowed to talk about Sam Francis, who I love.

01:20:00.640 He had a great term called anarcho-tyranny, which is anarchy for the stuff they don't care about, but tyranny for political crimes.

01:20:09.140 So if you walk the streets of San Francisco, you'll see a bunch of junkies shooting up, people defecating on the side of the street.

01:20:15.440 You could probably get mugged or robbed.

01:20:17.240 Would anyone feel safe walking San Francisco at night?

01:20:19.240 Of course not.

01:20:20.340 And by the way, that alone is a violation of the social contract.

01:20:23.520 If you can't walk your most beautiful cities in your country at night, your leaders have failed and they all must go.

01:20:29.600 That is a very simple test of your leaders.

01:20:31.720 If you cannot walk the most beautiful cities you have at night, you're done.

01:20:36.640 I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat.

01:20:38.440 If you can't walk in Dallas or Houston or Austin, if you don't feel safe in your own cities at night, then you're a prisoner in your own home.

01:20:47.180 Well, and what's the point of government?

01:20:48.320 Like, what is the point of government actually?

01:20:51.340 I mean, if public safety isn't the point of government, then what is it to spread trannyism around the world?

01:20:58.260 I mean, like, there's no other point.

01:20:59.960 Or taxpayer-funded abortions, I guess.

01:21:02.520 I mean, but just to give you an idea of the scale, do you know that we have brought in 5% of the population of Haiti?

01:21:09.120 5% of the population of Haiti.

01:21:12.820 And no one is stopping it because one of our core founding myths of the modern American experiment, neoliberalism, that Trump's trying to defeat, is that, well, diversity is our strength.

01:21:24.720 Actually, diversity is not our strength.

01:21:26.600 Unity is our strength, actually.

01:21:28.700 Whoever came up with this idea of our differences make us stronger.

01:21:32.880 It is self-defeating at its face.

01:21:35.820 Well, you're married.

01:21:36.460 Is it true in your house?

01:21:37.840 The less you have in common with your wife, the better you get along?

01:21:40.660 Yeah, those days are great.

01:21:43.180 I mean, again.

01:21:44.220 Like, what?

01:21:44.860 None of their bumper stickers or their cliches ever make any sense in practice at all.

01:21:54.640 But understand, so you have Joe Biden scolding the population for caring that their home is disappearing.

01:22:01.000 He should, who should be scolded are the people that are coming in their country and looting our country and saying, we're not going to put up with this.

01:22:07.900 But you're right, Tucker.

01:22:08.720 It is a contempt for the citizen.

01:22:11.160 Why is there contempt?

01:22:12.340 I've done a lot of thinking about this.

01:22:13.640 And it's, part of it is values.

01:22:16.940 I think that's right.

01:22:17.740 I think part of it is Christianity.

01:22:19.760 But I really believe that there's such a hatred for Christianity that any part of the population that is, like, remotely Christian, they inherently hate you.

01:22:27.600 Because the real goal is to eliminate Christianity.

01:22:31.100 Do you notice that they never are, like, enthusiastic about bringing in major parts of the population of Eastern Europe that are super Christian?

01:22:39.140 Yet, they're like, let's go bring in the witchcraft country.

01:22:42.080 Kind of weird.

01:22:42.640 Like, more witchcraft, less Christianity.

01:22:45.260 I don't understand how that works out.

01:22:46.320 But the contempt is very simple.

01:22:51.500 Is that they think that they are so much better than you.

01:22:55.700 It is an elitist, hierarchical position.

01:22:58.540 And that you're an annoyance.

01:23:00.680 That your concerns, that what you're doing is just kind of stay out of the way.

01:23:04.820 And I know people disagree with me.

01:23:06.080 I think this is behind the push for legalizing marijuana.

01:23:08.080 I think this is the push for trying to overly medicate the society.

01:23:11.140 Is they do not want a disagreeable citizenry.

01:23:14.360 This is why they want testosterone rates to go down.

01:23:16.760 This is why they wanted to kick the alpha men out of the military with the vaccine.

01:23:22.860 It's because a population that asks questions and stands up to the powerful is a threat to them.

01:23:29.720 So they'd much rather have you be subdued, just watch TV, not care about what's happening,

01:23:34.480 and just kind of stay on your benzodiazepines or Valium or marijuana and three beers a night,

01:23:40.860 and then you're agreeable.

01:23:41.720 But what has always made America different as a beacon of liberty is that we would call BS on tyranny whenever we see it.

01:23:49.320 And that is what is at the heart of this movement.

01:23:52.160 And they look at you as an annoyance.

01:23:55.540 I agree with that completely.

01:23:57.160 Fentanyl is fine.

01:23:57.840 Nicotine is dangerous.

01:23:58.900 Okay, thanks.

01:24:01.380 No, I think all of that is true.

01:24:03.740 My sense, though, is that part of it is just human nature.

01:24:06.600 You hate the people you harm, actually, and you love the people that you help.

01:24:14.140 And if you've ever wronged somebody or, for example, if you're in an argument with someone you love

01:24:19.500 and that person is being a little crazy, okay, you're not as bothered by it.

01:24:24.980 You're not because you're like, ah, you know, that person, she, well, you know, I'm right.

01:24:31.480 I can be totally calm.

01:24:32.300 It's fine.

01:24:32.540 It's fine.

01:24:33.060 It's fine.

01:24:33.340 But if you behave like a jerk and everyone who's married does, you're madder.

01:24:40.240 Like, if you sort of wrong somebody, you're madder at that person.

01:24:43.600 And I think our leaders understand that they've really wronged the population, like, in easy

01:24:48.820 to measure and profound ways.

01:24:51.040 They've screwed up on every big project for the past 30 years, every single one.

01:24:54.720 Not just the worst, but all the economic planning, all the telling us that, you know, you don't

01:24:58.500 need to make anything.

01:24:59.300 We can have an economy based on loaning money and real estate, you know, okay.

01:25:04.440 Pat Buchanan's crazy, right?

01:25:06.860 And they've been wrong at every turn.

01:25:08.420 They know they have done the American population wrong.

01:25:11.000 And I also think part of it is they're afraid.

01:25:14.040 They're afraid.

01:25:14.800 They don't have legitimacy.

01:25:15.920 They know that.

01:25:17.260 They're trying to hide that from us by classifying over a billion documents, okay?

01:25:20.940 That's part of that too.

01:25:21.820 And in the way that people who've sort of reached the end of their excuses and know that, like,

01:25:28.880 maybe people are onto them, they're rattled.

01:25:31.460 And that's why they're putting people in jail.

01:25:32.880 That's why they're spying on us.

01:25:34.100 Because they know that their grasp is loosening.

01:25:37.500 And they're freaked out.

01:25:38.500 I can see it in them.

01:25:39.480 You are dealing with the most neurotic and paranoid ruling class in the history of the

01:25:46.460 country.

01:25:47.040 And they're paranoid and neurotic because they know they've done great evil.

01:25:50.760 Exactly.

01:25:50.960 And that evil is being exposed.

01:25:53.240 They know that.

01:25:54.220 They know that.

01:25:55.900 So, and by the way, they do a bunch of cocaine, which only plays into their neuroses, right?

01:26:03.240 It makes you jumpy.

01:26:04.420 Yeah, a little jumpy, right?

01:26:05.360 Oh my goodness.

01:26:06.020 They're going to find out what we did in Iraq.

01:26:07.320 Um, yeah, we might actually.

01:26:10.020 So, and...

01:26:11.420 Just leave an eight ball in the West Wing.

01:26:12.700 Not a big deal.

01:26:13.460 No idea where it came from.

01:26:15.780 Okay.

01:26:16.900 By the way, that explains so much, doesn't it?

01:26:21.000 They're so neur...

01:26:21.880 They're so the vibe that comes...

01:26:24.020 It really is the happy party versus the miserable party.

01:26:27.100 The sadness and the internal chaos, the insecurity, just the neuroses that come off these people.

01:26:35.020 I watched Kamala Harris, like, the first...

01:26:36.660 I mean, she finally remembered her lines.

01:26:38.160 But the first minute of the debate, she's waiting for the Xanax to kick in.

01:26:43.360 And she's just, like, terrified.

01:26:46.160 Sorry.

01:26:47.000 No.

01:26:47.580 And the...

01:26:49.000 And this is the marching order for all of us.

01:26:52.960 We are closer to victory than I think we might realize.

01:26:55.820 And...

01:26:56.920 And I don't mean political victory.

01:27:00.200 I hope we win in November.

01:27:01.920 We're working towards that aim.

01:27:03.600 I mean that.

01:27:04.420 And all of you guys can play a big difference in getting Donald Trump back in the White House.

01:27:08.540 And because I think that is the mission-critical aim and objective right now.

01:27:11.920 I really do.

01:27:12.580 I mean, victory in the sense where we're closer towards a breakthrough where more Americans understand what's been happening in these last couple of decades.

01:27:25.580 And we have this realignment that then could be permanent.

01:27:28.700 I mean, just look at the team of all-stars that are starting to come together.

01:27:32.360 The former co-chair of the DNC is now actively campaigning for Donald Trump, Tulsi Gabbard.

01:27:38.560 We have the world's richest man, Elon Musk.

01:27:42.220 We have Bobby Kennedy.

01:27:43.600 We have an amazing team of free thinkers.

01:27:46.980 And this goes back to a biblical question, though, is that do people want to be free?

01:27:53.580 And that is a very difficult question to answer.

01:27:56.780 In the book of Exodus and Numbers, the answer is no.

01:28:00.340 The problem is that if you fail to teach a generation the value of liberty, they actually instinctively don't want to be free.

01:28:07.460 When God delivered his chosen people out of Egypt and he performed the most amazing miracles imaginable,

01:28:12.700 you know, the Nile River goes red and frogs from the sky and firstborn dead and the Red Sea parts,

01:28:20.580 and they go into the Sinai Desert, after a couple chapters, they're like,

01:28:25.580 hey, we want to go back to Egypt.

01:28:27.460 We want to go back to slavery.

01:28:29.480 Why?

01:28:30.820 Because the food was better.

01:28:32.980 Literally, we had melons, leeks, cucumbers, and meat.

01:28:37.020 And they say, hey, Moses, can we go back to Egypt?

01:28:39.720 Now, mind you, this is when God blew quail off course and manna from heaven,

01:28:43.840 and they need and wanted for nothing, but they preferred to be slaves that were taken care of

01:28:48.900 than free citizens in the desert where they had to be responsible.

01:28:52.840 And that is a very important lesson for all of us, that liberty is a value that we must pass on, that we must cherish,

01:29:01.560 and part of the population will never wake up because they would rather be in Egypt.

01:29:06.300 And what is in front of us in this election cycle and what is in front of us in this culture right now is do you want to live as a free citizen?

01:29:14.320 And that might be hard.

01:29:15.700 That means you have to provide for your family.

01:29:18.960 You might have to make tough decisions.

01:29:20.320 Or do you want to just go be a Russian serf back in Egypt where they give you your little ration every month,

01:29:26.480 and you have no liberty, and you have no freedom.

01:29:29.100 That is really what's in front of us right now.

01:29:31.580 And I think we're seeing a revival begin to happen because it really is spiritual at its core,

01:29:36.780 where the American people are going to demand, no, we do not want to go back to Egypt.

01:29:41.880 We want to live free.

01:29:43.160 We know it's harder, but that is the American way.

01:29:50.260 So you really feel that?

01:29:51.860 I mean, I think it's important.

01:29:53.220 I feel that too, but I'm not quite as articulate on this question as you are, and I don't travel as much.

01:29:59.000 But you see signs of that?

01:30:01.400 Oh, my goodness, yes.

01:30:02.500 I just want to say I'm not predicting that Donald Trump will win in November.

01:30:05.700 If we had an election, by the way, where we didn't have mail-in ballots all over the place and signature verification,

01:30:10.400 I think Donald Trump would easily win in November for the record, but we don't.

01:30:14.640 Tucker, when we go to college campuses, I was at Kansas State today, by the way.

01:30:18.160 I will tell you, they didn't treat us very well, so you guys got to call them up and say,

01:30:25.960 they were worse than Boulder and Madison, by the way.

01:30:28.480 I'm not here to talk about that.

01:30:30.140 Is that true?

01:30:31.560 Very liberal administration.

01:30:33.180 We had an outdoor event.

01:30:34.300 In the state of Kansas.

01:30:35.480 Yeah, we had 2,000 kids there, and we had a permit for amplification, and it ended at one,

01:30:41.380 and usually campuses let us go over one.

01:30:43.320 Okay, you have 2,000 kids, not a big deal.

01:30:45.240 I was literally in Boulder this week, administration was like, it's fine, you guys are having a good time,

01:30:49.440 you know, we're not, I was in Madison, it's fine.

01:30:51.820 In Manhattan, Kansas, the minute that we hit the end of our permit, they started like pulling out plugs,

01:30:56.940 you got to turn off all the mics, never seen anything like that, it was insane.

01:31:00.640 So, for those of you that are alum of Kansas State, you should contact them and stop giving money to Kansas State.

01:31:07.040 Pull your donations from Kansas State.

01:31:08.820 Okay, so, no, I'm not kidding.

01:31:12.240 Do not fund schools that treat conservatives this way.

01:31:15.640 And by the way, you could say, why is it that CU Boulder, which is like Leningrad,

01:31:20.500 treated Charlie Kirk better than Kansas State?

01:31:23.620 Great talking point.

01:31:24.460 But when we do these events, Tucker, on campus, we cannot find rooms big enough to fit all the students that want to attend our on-campus events.

01:31:34.140 We cannot find physical spaces to fit all the students that want to come to our events.

01:31:39.980 Gen Z men are the most conservative that men have been in 50 years.

01:31:45.100 50 years.

01:31:45.960 And I also see, I see young and old of people that are starting to shed their prior affiliations.

01:31:56.940 Republican, Democrat mean nothing.

01:31:58.660 And they're starting to get down to first principles.

01:32:01.140 And, I mean, we do every day.

01:32:02.380 Anyone watch the Charlie Kirk show, by the way?

01:32:03.780 Anyone?

01:32:04.120 Thank you, guys.

01:32:04.720 It really means a lot.

01:32:06.140 And I have to stay ahead of the audience.

01:32:09.820 How informed the average listener and viewer is.

01:32:13.280 Have you noticed this, Tucker?

01:32:14.200 I don't solicit feedback.

01:32:16.600 I don't want to be embarrassed.

01:32:17.800 Yeah, but they are actively correcting me.

01:32:21.460 If I get a date wrong, if I get a name wrong, emailing, Charlie, you should know better than that.

01:32:26.520 And I love that.

01:32:28.880 Because that means that the learning is a two-way street.

01:32:34.820 And that I really believe, and I learned this from Dr. Larry Arnn from Hillsdale College.

01:32:38.980 He said, Charlie, we will not save the country.

01:32:41.080 By the way, Hillsdale is America's greatest college.

01:32:43.120 And we all agree.

01:32:43.840 It really is.

01:32:45.040 He said, we will not save the country until we get the citizenry to want to prioritize learning.

01:32:53.100 Because you cannot have liberty without learning.

01:32:55.640 And I don't mean liberty like public school learning.

01:32:57.860 I mean, hey, instead of watching the ninth NFL football game that weekend, turn it off and listen to an audio book.

01:33:04.900 Read the Gulag Archipelago.

01:33:06.380 Read 1984.

01:33:07.560 Read Brave New World.

01:33:08.440 Go deeper.

01:33:09.620 Go deeper.

01:33:11.720 The regime hates an informed population.

01:33:16.280 They hate that you guys know what's going on.

01:33:18.580 They despise when you know history.

01:33:21.440 Because if you know history, you know their next moves.

01:33:24.400 No, I've noticed.

01:33:26.260 Hey, Tucker, have you gotten in any trouble for talking about history?

01:33:28.820 I mean, look, my only point is, you know, I have a ton of opinions.

01:33:34.680 Probably most of them are wrong.

01:33:37.000 But one opinion I know is right is that free inquiry is the basis of a free society.

01:33:42.080 And you have to be able to ask any question.

01:33:46.160 And I have a lot of children, so I know that there is a stage right around four or five when there are too many questions to bear.

01:33:51.640 But why?

01:33:52.260 But why?

01:33:52.700 But why?

01:33:54.280 You still have to put up with it.

01:33:56.880 Anybody telling you not to ask questions is a threat to you.

01:34:01.240 That's one of the darkest things, most revealing things you can say, I think.

01:34:06.520 And by the way, anyone who doesn't allow you to ask a question doesn't consider you a human being.

01:34:12.240 Because free people, human beings, can ask any question they want.

01:34:15.880 They can have any opinion they want.

01:34:16.920 They can say out loud whatever they want.

01:34:18.920 Only slaves have to shut up.

01:34:20.600 So it's very revealing of their attitude toward the population that they won't allow it.

01:34:24.540 But I agree with you.

01:34:25.320 If you don't know what happened in the past, how do you have any clue what's going to happen in the future?

01:34:29.020 And I see a desire.

01:34:30.220 And, Tucker, I know you'll agree with me.

01:34:31.560 If you want to get some hope, the growth of long-form podcasting is a sign that the population wants more and deeper content, not shallower and quicker content.

01:34:42.760 The Joe Rogans, the Tucker Carlson's, the Matt Walsh's, the fact that the population is going away from cable news and going towards conversations with more nuance and texture and complexity, that is a harbinger for revival.

01:34:59.200 Well, I keep a list of everyone who's very upset by that.

01:35:02.540 And not because I plan to punish them.

01:35:04.360 Anyway, I'm never going to punish anybody.

01:35:05.860 I don't really believe in that, actually.

01:35:08.660 But I just want to know who my enemies are and the enemies of humanity.

01:35:13.140 And there's anybody who has a problem with other people's sincere opinions, with their sincere questions.

01:35:19.640 Anyone who thinks, well, you just can't discuss that, or expresses that, or prevents me from knowing important information about my country or its past, or the world or its past, anyone who penalizes that is my enemy.

01:35:34.140 And there are a lot of them.

01:35:35.440 Yeah, well, Google's one of them.

01:35:37.520 Last thing I'll say, and I want to ask you one final question, but I would just say, like, if you have books, I don't know if you remember what those were, but on paper, it's kind of worth keeping them.

01:35:45.940 I mean, they're heavy, hard to tote around, they do get musty after a while, you have to build bookshelves.

01:35:51.320 But the truth is, information can disappear instantly in digital form, which is one of the reasons we've been encouraged to store everything digitally, including our pictures, our photographs, because they're not our own when they're stored digitally.

01:36:03.700 And there are ideas or facts about history that just don't appear on Google, that aren't allowed to be sold on Amazon.

01:36:13.400 And the normal, you know, the kind of censorship community, the Atlantic Magazine, the Atlantic Council, and everyone in Washington, D.C., says, well, there's a reason for that, because people just can't know.

01:36:23.700 Or that's misinformation or malinformation, information that may be true, but it's inconvenient to us, because it may be critical of our behavior.

01:36:31.500 You have an absolute right to know anything you want to know, as far as I'm concerned, and the only way you're going to know it is in books.

01:36:37.740 And so I would not throw those away, at all.

01:36:41.160 And by the way, if they tell you you can't read it, you probably should read it immediately.

01:36:44.260 I'm also a big believer in having kids be raised in a home where there are libraries where they see physical books around.

01:36:54.080 And I'm a big believer.

01:36:55.060 It's a statement to kids that you take learning seriously, that old things are important, that not everything is digital.

01:37:02.160 And I have a whole thing.

01:37:03.520 I try to read the Bible every day.

01:37:05.140 I can't stand reading a digital Bible unless I absolutely have to.

01:37:09.140 I like reading from a physical Bible.

01:37:11.900 So, no distractions, no pings, no dings, no phone calls, no tweets, no telegrams.

01:37:19.760 And, yeah, that's the other thing, which is if we want to get back to first principles and you want hope, we must put God first in everything that we do and understand that we are nothing here but just for a short instant, a short little glimpse.

01:37:35.340 And we act not out of outcome, but we act out of obedience.

01:37:40.140 What I am doing right now to try to help Trump win and try to do all these things, I have no idea if we'll be successful.

01:37:48.300 So why do you do it, Charlie?

01:37:49.560 It could be rigged.

01:37:50.400 It could be all this.

01:37:51.280 Happy to go into that.

01:37:52.120 I do it because I love God and we're called by Jesus to love him in everything that we do with our heart and our soul and our strength and our mind.

01:38:03.840 And God cares deeply about the type of society that we live in and does not God's heart anywhere for us to live in tyranny.

01:38:10.660 Jeremiah 29, 7, demand the welfare of the nation that you are in because your welfare is tied to your nation's welfare.

01:38:17.540 Psalm 97, 10.

01:38:18.920 But those of you who love God, hate evil, we are called to go into the public square and to contest for those who cannot fight for themselves, to fight for liberty.

01:38:29.920 And liberty is God's idea, not man's idea.

01:38:33.800 And what we are seeing culminate, I think, is a crescendo of a multi-decade spiritual battle, which is now currently manifested in the political.

01:38:42.960 And we do it not because, you know, we hope Trump is going to win.

01:38:46.400 We do it to honor a God that loves us.

01:38:50.560 Amen.

01:38:51.440 So final question.

01:38:53.060 Are you hopeful?

01:38:55.380 Of course I'm hopeful.

01:38:56.540 I'm hopeful, and first, of course, in Jesus Christ, because for those that know Christ, we know how this story ends.

01:39:03.060 And we know that there is a creator and there's a divine perfecter to all of this.

01:39:07.840 But I'm so hopeful when I see the younger generation on campus start to shed this left-wing brainwashing and this Marxism.

01:39:15.940 They attend our Turning Point USA events.

01:39:17.900 They attend our seminars.

01:39:19.680 They attend our trainings.

01:39:20.820 And they want a better life.

01:39:22.380 I see it when I travel the country and people that were formerly Democrats.

01:39:25.780 In fact, I met one, I think, earlier.

01:39:27.700 She said I got—that's right there.

01:39:29.240 She said she escaped the woke mind virus because of our video.

01:39:32.580 So that's pretty cool.

01:39:33.380 Stand up.

01:39:34.060 Yeah, stand up.

01:39:34.840 How great is that?

01:39:35.520 Isn't that a great story?

01:39:36.640 Very sweet.

01:39:38.380 Oh, I know her!

01:39:42.240 Very sweet woman.

01:39:43.220 But let's pretend, though.

01:39:46.660 Let's say that I—it's a very important question because usually the question is, Charlie, are you optimistic or are you pessimistic?

01:39:57.220 If I say I'm optimistic, people will go home and do nothing because they'll say, well, Charlie's optimistic, so everything's fine, so there's nothing to do.

01:40:04.840 If I say I'm pessimistic, people will go home and do nothing because they'll say there's nothing to do.

01:40:09.620 Instead, it's about what we do is what matters.

01:40:13.400 And I know what some of you are saying.

01:40:14.360 You say, Charlie, I've done everything that's been asked of me.

01:40:17.280 I listen to Tucker's show.

01:40:18.680 I bought the pillow.

01:40:19.980 I've done everything.

01:40:20.780 By the way, promo code Kirk at MyPillow.com, just so we're clear, okay?

01:40:31.200 I never bought the pillow.

01:40:32.540 I don't know.

01:40:33.160 I'm not against the pillow, but I never did buy one.

01:40:35.420 The Giza Dream Sheets and those slippers.

01:40:45.000 Spectacular.

01:40:46.800 That's so good.

01:40:47.880 Everybody, it's more than just getting a reverse mortgage on your home.

01:40:53.420 It's more than buying Relief Factor.

01:40:55.700 It's about getting into the arena.

01:40:57.600 And what does that mean?

01:40:58.980 It means if you are actively not being criticized, canceled, smeared, or slandered, you are a spectator, not a participant.

01:41:07.560 We will save this country when all of us are participants in this fight.

01:41:12.500 That means that you guys can sign up and take vacation time and come to Arizona to go chase ballots for Donald Trump.

01:41:20.660 We will put you to work.

01:41:21.900 This means you guys can write letters to swing voters in key states pleading for them to make the right decision.

01:41:27.200 This means educating your kids, homeschooling your kids, and taking them out of government schools.

01:41:31.320 This means that you're going to feed your kids and grandkids healthy food and not that highly processed garbage that is currently being put down by the big ag companies.

01:41:41.380 This means you're going to learn every single week and prioritize it.

01:41:45.040 This means you are going to be an active citizen.

01:41:46.940 And as we said it earlier, an active, informed, thoughtful, deep, and faithful citizen is the greatest threat to a tyrannical regime.

01:41:54.640 And in that, Tucker, I have hope.

01:41:56.960 Amen!

01:41:58.480 Charlie Kirk, ladies and gentlemen, thank you.

01:42:08.220 The big tech companies censor our content.

01:42:11.500 I hate to tell you that it's still going on in 2024, but you know what they can't censor?

01:42:15.680 Live events.

01:42:16.940 And that's why we are hitting the road on a fall tour for the entire month of September, coast to coast.

01:42:22.940 We will be in cities across the United States.

01:42:25.960 We'll be in Milwaukee with Larry Elder, Rosenberg, Texas with Jesse Kelly, Grand Rapids with Kid Rock, Hershey, Pennsylvania with J.D. Vance, Redding, Pennsylvania with Alex Jones, Fort Worth, Texas with Roseanne Barr, Greenville, South Carolina with Marjorie Taylor Green, Sunrise, Florida with John Rich, Jacksonville, Florida with Donald Trump Jr.

01:42:46.220 You can get tickets at tuckercarlson.com.

01:42:49.140 Hope to see you there.

01:42:52.940 Thanks for listening to the Tucker Carlson Show.

01:42:56.120 If you enjoyed it, you can go to tuckercarlson.com to see everything that we have made.

01:43:00.760 The complete library.

01:43:02.820 Tuckercarlson.com.

01:43:04.000 It's going to be called the Tucker Carlson Show.

01:43:10.740 I'm not going to tell you there.

01:43:13.040 It's a little bit unin- Driver.

01:43:13.440 I will PSY after you numerically.

01:43:14.560 I will pick up the院 and Johnson doesn't know why.

01:43:16.420 It's going to take place.

01:43:17.200 It's going to be the whole thing.

01:43:17.860 Don't be 간では in quarters.

01:43:18.760 It's going to be the whole thing.

01:43:19.960 I would pick up the spot.

01:43:20.980 It's going to try 퍼opy.

01:43:21.880 There you go.

01:43:22.540 It's going to be the whole thing.

01:43:23.140 I will pick up the morning house.

01:43:23.880 But the forma however, it's going to sollify.

01:43:24.840 I will pick up the cuentace on.

01:43:25.940 I will pick the państwa手 here.

01:43:26.100 And you can put it back to theilities that Billy say..

01:43:27.740 I will pick up theוצle Tür.

01:43:28.520 Peace.

The Tucker Carlson Show - September 15, 2024

Charlie Kirk： Christian Values Under Attack, JFK’s Death, & How Trump Changed Politics Forever

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