The Tucker Carlson Show - Charlie Kirk： How Debt Has Radicalized Young America and Why Boomers Deserve the Blame

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00:00:33.080 So it looks like we're finally going to get the details of Russiagate.

00:00:39.620 Like, what was that?

00:00:41.820 It seemed manufactured at the time.

00:00:44.300 It seemed fake.

00:00:45.660 It was confusing.

00:00:47.200 Like, where did this come from?

00:00:48.400 All of a sudden, out of nowhere, we all hate Russia and Trump is a Russian agent.

00:00:52.160 Something that no one had ever said before.

00:00:53.580 And then it just saturated the media and it was the only topic for a couple of years.

00:00:58.980 Yes.

00:00:59.640 And no one ever kind of went back to examine, like, how?

00:01:03.840 How do you create a story out of nothing and then convince Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, New York Times to write about it every day?

00:01:12.240 And I think we're going to find out now, do you think?

00:01:14.140 Well, great to be here, Tucker.

00:01:35.680 Yeah, I hope so.

00:01:37.200 Sorry, Charlie.

00:01:38.500 It's great to see you.

00:01:39.760 You know, as I get older, my manners just evaporate.

00:01:43.500 This is like Frost Nixon.

00:01:44.600 You know, it's like straight in.

00:01:45.780 It's like the first question.

00:01:48.640 So why'd you burn the tapes?

00:01:51.320 Why didn't you burn the tapes?

00:01:53.380 Oh, yeah.

00:01:53.640 Great to be here, Tucker.

00:01:54.280 Yes, I would go even a step further because the war right now happening between Russia, Ukraine, and the West's support of it actually was an extension of Russiagate.

00:02:04.180 Oh, thank you for saying that.

00:02:05.480 Because part of one of the unintended consequences of Russiagate, not unintended, I think actually intended, but unintended from our perspective because we were so focused on the Trump component, was how it was desensitizing the Democrat Party to hate Russia.

00:02:17.560 If you think about it, Donald Trump was the worst villain ever in the history of the world, according to the Democrat Party.

00:02:24.420 So they needed to have an explanation as to how this guy won.

00:02:28.280 Because, of course, it can't be the fact that they deindustrialized Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, flooded the country with a bunch of illegals and allowed opioids into the country.

00:02:36.000 There must be another reason.

00:02:37.360 So they tried Cambridge Analytica first.

00:02:39.920 Do you remember that was the first attempt?

00:02:41.820 Yes.

00:02:42.140 The Cambridge Analytica thing, that it was Donald Trump's ability to get in the back end of Facebook.

00:02:46.620 That's why he won.

00:02:47.420 But that didn't really satisfy the Democrats.

00:02:50.560 And so simultaneously, we know this because the Russia narrative came ex nihilo.

00:02:55.420 It came out of nowhere.

00:02:57.720 And that's the way it felt.

00:02:58.780 I was completely confused.

00:03:00.060 And Tulsi is getting to the bottom of it.

00:03:02.220 I'm not going to pretend to know all the details of what she's working on.

00:03:04.680 And I've been cheering her on, sending her text messages saying, you go, Tulsi, you go.

00:03:08.780 Because it's so wrong what happened to President Trump and so wrong what happened to our country.

00:03:12.400 But when you think about it, it desensitized the entire Democrat Party to then have a very negative view of Russia, even beyond a normative Western view of Russia.

00:03:22.540 As if Donald Trump is an attache of the Kremlin.

00:03:26.540 And if you hate Trump, you therefore must also hate Putin and Russia.

00:03:30.520 So fast forward to Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

00:03:34.460 You had the entire Democrat Party and the base of the Democrat Party that used to be anti-war.

00:03:39.440 That used to be where the Ben and Jerry's guy was.

00:03:41.900 You had him on your show.

00:03:42.660 It was great.

00:03:43.100 But the rank and file kind of had a subdued response at best to the financing of the Russian-Ukrainian war, largely because of Russiagate.

00:03:52.120 Because so many base members of the Democrat Party and the activists were led to believe that Donald Trump only became president because of the assistance of the Kremlin.

00:04:03.500 So smart.

00:04:03.980 And can I just add one parenthetical note that a lot of them were pro-Russia when it was Soviet.

00:04:10.020 Correct.

00:04:10.420 Because the Soviet Union was above all anti-Christian.

00:04:13.920 And then when the country became orthodox again, it was easy to hate it again.

00:04:18.760 Yes.

00:04:19.180 And if you, I mean, you know this, you helped lead the, I don't want to say even anti-war, just the skepticism from the West viewpoint that why are we sending all this money to Ukraine?

00:04:28.280 Is it good for us?

00:04:29.500 That used to be a left-wing thing.

00:04:30.960 That used to always be driven from the base of the Democrat Party.

00:04:33.900 And from AOC to Elizabeth Warren to Bernie Sanders, they were largely silent on the amount of money that we sent to Ukraine.

00:04:40.120 So why?

00:04:41.060 Is it because they started to love war?

00:04:43.920 No, it's because Putin became an acceptable villain for the Democrat Party.

00:04:47.860 Because they made the archetype of villain and the archetype of Putin and Trump to be kind of one in the same.

00:04:54.980 That all goes back to Russiagate.

00:04:56.700 It goes back to the lie of the dirty dossier.

00:05:00.020 It goes back to how our intel agencies were then used inwardly against us.

00:05:06.320 And that has really been the story the last 30 to 40 years.

00:05:08.680 And you deserve a lot of credit for covering this, which is our intel services are supposed to gather intelligence and defend the homeland and to keep us domestically safe.

00:05:16.620 But it turns out they're actually more about picking winners and losers in American elections and to thwart the will of popular sovereignty.

00:05:24.900 So I hope that we get to the bottom of this because we are still dealing with the real world ramifications.

00:05:32.000 You have to wonder how many Ukrainians and Russians, by the way, because people are dying on both sides of this war that are made in the image of God, are unnecessarily dead because of what our intel services did in 2016 and 2017.

00:05:43.560 I don't think that can be said enough.

00:05:46.180 Thank you for saying it again, that our position, I would say the war itself.

00:05:50.380 I mean, I think the Biden administration provoked Russia into it by declaring that Ukraine was going to be part of NATO.

00:05:57.460 That's my interpretation.

00:05:58.840 I think it's true.

00:05:59.900 But even if you don't buy that, we seamlessly moved from no war with Russia into an actual war with Russia.

00:06:07.140 And very few people said anything about it.

00:06:09.100 And I think the reason they didn't is because they had just spent the last three years hearing about how Putin was the worst person in the world.

00:06:17.080 He was our main enemy, not the Chinese, actually, not the Indians, not anybody else.

00:06:21.080 No, it was Russia.

00:06:23.300 So do you expect that people will be held accountable for it?

00:06:27.860 I hope so.

00:06:29.080 I mean, look, I don't know what's in the details.

00:06:31.380 I don't know what's in the documents.

00:06:32.520 We kind of have a little bit of a teaser.

00:06:34.000 We saw last week what Tulsi said.

00:06:35.740 She said there's more coming.

00:06:36.820 And basically what we learned last week for everyone that was hopefully enjoying your summer, not glued to your phone, you know, nonstop over the weekend, we learned that Obama personally ordered an intel report.

00:06:48.020 It's like, hey, was it true that Russia was behind this election?

00:06:51.440 And from my understanding, the report said, no, Russia was not behind this election, did not manipulate votes.

00:06:56.520 Trump was not elected because of Russia.

00:06:58.300 This was in December of 2016 in a private classified intel briefing.

00:07:02.300 That is now declassified thanks to Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard.

00:07:07.580 What is even more chilling, though, which goes back to Peter Strzok and Lisa Page and James Comey, is how the FBI and the CIA seem to be working on the same page.

00:07:16.220 The FBI was almost doing the domestic bidding of the CIA.

00:07:19.620 And you have to wonder how much of this Russiagate situation was the insurance policy that Peter Strzok famously put in his text messages.

00:07:26.980 Remember, he was going back and forth with his, you know, with his lover, Lisa Page, where he was saying, hey, don't worry, we have an insurance policy.

00:07:36.260 You have to wonder what exactly was that.

00:07:38.780 And my contention is that that was the Russiagate situation, that they had this dossier paid for by the Democrat Party with Clinton funds to then illegally be able to spy on the Trump campaign as an extension of that, create this entire narrative.

00:07:53.720 And, you know, part of what also needs to be said is how much of Trump one was stolen from President Trump and the mandate of the people because of Russia.

00:08:03.840 You know, it's very funny.

00:08:04.660 I was thinking about where was I and where were we as a country back in July of 2017, six months into Trump's term back in Trump one.

00:08:12.720 We had Jeff Sessions basically completely sidelined because of his, you know, I have to recuse myself and honestly, an unnecessary recusal.

00:08:23.880 I think that he never should have recused himself.

00:08:26.000 We had Bob Mueller.

00:08:26.860 But let me just say that whatever you think of what Sessions did or why he did it or whatever, I'm probably the only person willing to give him credit for, you know, a good faith mistake.

00:08:36.120 I think it was obviously a mistake.

00:08:37.320 He was also great on crime, by the way.

00:08:38.720 Sessions was actually really good on violent crime, but that's a separate issue.

00:08:41.180 Beats up on Jeff Sessions.

00:08:42.700 I know Jeff Sessions very well.

00:08:44.500 Jeff Sessions is no liberal.

00:08:46.620 Jeff Sessions is a really decent man.

00:08:48.400 Jeff Sessions made a big mistake, in my opinion, by recusing himself, but he didn't do it to sabotage Trump.

00:08:54.320 He was the first senator to endorse Trump.

00:08:56.200 He loved Trump.

00:08:56.960 So whatever.

00:08:57.680 The whole thing was a tragedy.

00:08:58.560 But my point is, wherever you stand on that, it separated the president from his attorney general.

00:09:05.180 And then Rod Rosenstein was running the entire DOJ.

00:09:07.620 That true Trumper, Rod Rosenstein, right?

00:09:12.020 So we had Rod Rosenstein.

00:09:13.060 Pride of Baltimore.

00:09:14.080 Right, exactly.

00:09:14.820 As good as it gets.

00:09:15.920 So Trump was without a Department of Justice with his first term at this point, basically.

00:09:20.360 Gosh.

00:09:20.660 We had Bob Mueller, like, lurching back under the surface, like, coming back from, you know, they brought him out of retirement.

00:09:29.440 And he was kind of in a Biden state at that point.

00:09:31.840 Oh, without, remember his interview?

00:09:33.000 You didn't know where he was or what was going on?

00:09:34.580 Poor man, yeah.

00:09:35.240 I just have a side note.

00:09:36.780 We're learning kind of how the modern technocratic Democrat Party works, which is bring an old guy with an amazing biography by D.C. standards.

00:09:44.360 Who happens to have dementia.

00:09:45.500 Yeah, just put him in the chair.

00:09:46.820 And then all of these 30-something lawyers that went to Yale and Harvard will do all the work.

00:09:50.880 It's kind of how a technocratic state works.

00:09:52.640 But anyway, think about where we were in Trump 1, which I think is really important, and how we're in a profoundly better position we are today.

00:09:58.940 Today, the first year of the Trump presidency and then year two or three were largely stolen by this whole Russiagate situation is that President Trump was constantly on defense.

00:10:09.220 He was constantly having to defend himself.

00:10:10.800 He had Mueller looking into Manafort, looking into Cohen, looking into all of his close associates, which, of course, the report came out and showed no collusion.

00:10:19.060 And all stemming from a lie.

00:10:22.000 And that's the kicker.

00:10:23.320 So to answer your question, I hope people start to go to jail.

00:10:26.280 We need perp walks.

00:10:27.360 We need handcuffs.

00:10:28.220 We need mass arrests because you're not allowed to steal precious time of a presidency away from the American people that otherwise would have been spent ungoverning.

00:10:37.400 You have such a good memory.

00:10:38.980 One of the advantages of being 31.

00:10:40.500 And we did no prep on this.

00:10:41.780 No, no, not at all.

00:10:42.960 I just threw it at you.

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00:10:45.120 I'm impressed.

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00:14:25.680 I also think it's just important to know that federal intel and law enforcement agencies are not allowed

00:14:31.220 to form their own separate, unaccountable government and run affairs of state.

00:14:36.080 That's a nightmare scenario.

00:14:37.560 That puts you in a dictatorship totally insulated from the public.

00:14:42.560 I mean, voters have no way to control that.

00:14:44.380 That's not a democracy.

00:14:45.380 That's a dictatorship.

00:14:46.700 And that's where we are.

00:14:47.780 And I just feel like it's important to expose that and to punish those responsible.

00:14:54.220 Without a doubt.

00:14:54.780 And this is now the big fight in front of Trump, too.

00:14:58.960 And everyone knows it.

00:15:00.220 We ran on it.

00:15:01.060 We said it.

00:15:01.940 And I think we're now going to get massive action in that direction from hopefully Cash and Dan

00:15:06.440 and Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche, the whole gang.

00:15:09.780 They're focused on this.

00:15:11.160 And I think they're looking for the right place to strike, which is who actually runs this government.

00:15:15.220 Exactly.

00:15:16.340 The first term, we were kind of under this very naive idea that the people run the government.

00:15:21.240 That's what I thought.

00:15:22.120 And then we were like, well, it's the lobbyists.

00:15:24.000 And you're right.

00:15:24.840 Right.

00:15:25.220 Exactly.

00:15:25.620 Remember?

00:15:26.160 It's the lobbyists.

00:15:26.920 It's Monsanto.

00:15:28.180 Right.

00:15:28.460 It's K Street.

00:15:29.440 It's like, yeah, okay.

00:15:32.380 That's so true.

00:15:33.880 But after, I think, seven or eight years, and it's taken time, we're finally back to where

00:15:39.540 a lot of the Hillsdale crowd has been and Dr. Larry Arnn has been, to his great credit.

00:15:43.020 It's the administrative state and the intel agencies.

00:15:46.040 It's this fourth branch of government that the founders never created.

00:15:48.820 They never designed.

00:15:49.560 There was no intent for.

00:15:51.000 And that fourth branch of government is unaccountable, has unknown biographies of people that are

00:15:56.260 running it, and they're there for unlimited amounts of time.

00:15:58.620 There's no term limits.

00:15:59.920 They're not elected.

00:16:00.480 And they're unelected.

00:16:01.740 There are, and I don't want to put you in uncomfortable situations.

00:16:04.420 You don't need to comment on this just brief aside.

00:16:06.940 But we actually have civilian control, the control of elected leaders over those agencies,

00:16:13.860 the president, of course, but also members of Congress.

00:16:16.400 We have the committees.

00:16:18.100 We have intelligence boards, too.

00:16:19.180 Right.

00:16:19.740 And we have something called the Senate Intel Committee.

00:16:23.640 Right.

00:16:23.920 And the person leading that, you don't have to comment on that.

00:16:28.600 I think Tom Cotton's one of the most sinister people in the U.S. government.

00:16:32.060 It's like your job is to make sure the CIA doesn't form its own separate, unaccountable

00:16:37.600 government.

00:16:38.440 And yet he's all in on CIA, where his wife used to work.

00:16:42.500 Like he is serving CIA.

00:16:44.840 And what about his constituents in Arkansas?

00:16:47.400 What about the rest of us?

00:16:48.240 Why isn't the guy in charge of keeping the CIA's behavior within constitutional bounds

00:16:54.180 accountable to the president of the United States?

00:16:55.740 Why isn't he doing that?

00:16:57.300 And I just find it enormous.

00:16:58.600 And I know that there are lots of good things about Tom Cotton.

00:17:00.360 He's a nice guy.

00:17:00.900 He's very smart.

00:17:02.080 But like, what the hell?

00:17:03.500 Why does no one say that?

00:17:04.660 And let me say this also.

00:17:05.820 There are whispers that this next bill is going to be passed.

00:17:08.760 Whatever perfunctory bill they have to pass is going to try to neuter DNI.

00:17:13.140 Is that they want to try to wall off Liberty Crossing.

00:17:16.320 He wants Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Kent, and the other people, the director of intelligence and that

00:17:25.580 whole apparatus, which was created after 9-11.

00:17:28.560 Which is hilarious because it was created by the worst people.

00:17:31.500 Exactly.

00:17:32.020 And now it's actually a center.

00:17:33.900 It's a central nervous system for us to look under the hood and they know it.

00:17:37.780 Right.

00:17:38.560 And so, again, I don't know all the details of this.

00:17:40.680 I just, someone texted me yesterday and they said, hey, we have to make sure that Tulsi does

00:17:44.360 not get basically, you know, neutered in this whole process, that it just kind of becomes

00:17:49.860 a ceremonial.

00:17:50.460 She's the one person you shouldn't doge.

00:17:52.280 No.

00:17:52.740 In fact, Tulsi, and this is very important.

00:17:54.880 The intel agencies by far have the least proportional civilian control versus careers.

00:18:00.560 That's exactly right.

00:18:01.300 CIA has like three or four.

00:18:03.200 And Ratcliffe is, you know, fighting for his life there.

00:18:05.360 And it's like, who runs?

00:18:06.460 You know, you have all these unknown amounts of people.

00:18:08.980 And what are they doing?

00:18:10.380 And it's a black box budget.

00:18:11.600 And I believe that all roads lead back to the intel agencies on all this stuff.

00:18:15.260 And so, but Tulsi is now getting under the hood.

00:18:17.100 This revelation of Russiagate is massive.

00:18:19.020 It's huge.

00:18:19.940 I know.

00:18:20.220 And God bless her for doing this.

00:18:21.800 And I know the president cares about it personally as he should, because how much of his life and

00:18:26.300 his energy was just spent defending against a fabrication, not a fabrication of the Chinese

00:18:32.420 Communist Party, by the way, not a fabrication of our adversaries, a fabrication of our own

00:18:36.880 government.

00:18:37.660 That's what makes this so sinister, is that our own government was turned against the

00:18:42.160 duly elected president.

00:18:43.600 So here we are now in the year of our Lord, 2025, who's running the United States government?

00:18:48.080 Great question.

00:18:48.560 And President Trump, he is now the hunter.

00:18:51.080 He was the hunted back in the first term.

00:18:53.920 I know what the grassroots want.

00:18:55.220 I know what President Trump wants.

00:18:56.760 We need perp walks.

00:18:57.840 We need arrests.

00:18:58.580 We need accountability.

00:18:59.220 And if we do not smash the administrative state and the deep state in the coming six

00:19:04.840 to 12 months, then we're actually not going to we're not going to bring this entire intelligence

00:19:10.040 apparatus to heal.

00:19:11.420 We have to lance the boil because it's gone so out of control.

00:19:15.060 And I can tell you, they are deeply fearful of this movement.

00:19:18.640 They know that we are aware.

00:19:19.820 They notice that they know that we are noticing things, that we're seeing patterns, that we

00:19:24.000 know how powerful the intel agencies have become.

00:19:26.620 And so that's why I think Russiagate really matters, is that it's a way to hold them

00:19:30.220 accountable, to see how dark and honestly demonic their activities have become.

00:19:36.020 Yes.

00:19:36.360 And hopefully an opportunity to fulfill a mandate that President Trump ran on, and I still

00:19:40.840 know believes to this day, which is to bring the deep state to hopefully smash it, or at

00:19:46.340 the very least, bring it back into balance.

00:19:48.040 And the deep state is the intelligences.

00:19:50.820 Well, that's the shadow government, right?

00:19:51.980 CIA, DIA.

00:19:52.500 It's not the education department.

00:19:55.200 If I could chime in.

00:19:56.160 So there's two types of deep state, right?

00:19:57.660 There's the Department of Education, deep state.

00:19:59.660 They just slow things down.

00:20:01.440 That's their only, they leak and they delay.

00:20:03.860 Right.

00:20:04.080 That's it.

00:20:04.560 That's the deep state of the Department of Labor.

00:20:06.740 So they, oh, you're getting some sort of executive order we don't like.

00:20:09.060 We're going to leak it to the Washington Post.

00:20:10.560 We're not going to do what you tell us.

00:20:11.900 We're just going to delay and we're going to last.

00:20:13.320 Okay, fine.

00:20:13.960 We can deal with leaking and delaying.

00:20:16.120 The third of which though, which the Department of Labor is not doing, they're not configuring their

00:20:20.500 agency against the sovereign.

00:20:22.760 No.

00:20:23.340 Right.

00:20:23.540 They're probably not killing anyone.

00:20:24.580 No, exactly.

00:20:25.300 So the, the intel agencies in its, you know, in its inherited composition from Joe Biden

00:20:30.560 and how it's been for the last 40 years, leaking and delaying.

00:20:34.120 They're like, that's child's play.

00:20:35.340 Okay.

00:20:36.020 We're going to go do dirty dossiers.

00:20:37.560 We're going to spy.

00:20:38.540 We're going to employ feds.

00:20:40.460 We're going to use special agents, double agents.

00:20:42.440 We're going to use five eyes.

00:20:43.400 We're going to rely on our foreign partners to spy on Americans domestically.

00:20:46.940 Cause we can't do that and they'll, they'll share the intelligence.

00:20:49.820 And so a lot of focus kind of goes on, let's just say the lazy slop of the people at the,

00:20:55.960 you know, Department of Interior.

00:20:57.520 Okay, fine.

00:20:58.280 We can clean that up.

00:20:59.640 God, you know, God bless the people that want to do that.

00:21:02.320 But if we do not focus the energy of this movement on the administrative state, then we're,

00:21:08.540 we are going to have elections in name only.

00:21:10.900 And I know the president understands this because he lived through a thwarted first term,

00:21:16.460 largely because of the intel agencies and what we would like to call the shadow government.

00:21:21.620 Trump, 97 charges against him all in?

00:21:25.220 Yes.

00:21:26.280 And we still don't know what happened on July 13th.

00:21:28.320 And we certainly don't at Butler.

00:21:30.440 That's exactly right.

00:21:31.300 Why don't we know that?

00:21:32.080 Do you know?

00:21:33.120 I don't, I don't know.

00:21:34.880 And I know that we have the right, we could not have better people in those positions.

00:21:41.300 At the top.

00:21:42.440 Like, you know, Dan Bongino, well, I could speak very high for his integrity.

00:21:46.460 Oh, I love Dan.

00:21:47.300 Yeah.

00:21:47.520 And so I'm going to, they need to act on this.

00:21:51.520 Yep.

00:21:52.140 And I have no, I don't have much more to say than that, but I don't know.

00:21:55.580 FBI needs to, and.

00:21:58.460 Specifically the FBI on that.

00:22:00.200 Yeah.

00:22:00.660 And the FBI stonewalling.

00:22:01.960 And it's not Bongino.

00:22:03.360 It's not Kash Patel.

00:22:04.580 It's that I know of.

00:22:06.380 I mean, I don't know actually, but I know that they're stonewalling on that.

00:22:09.140 And I think it's very weird.

00:22:10.940 They still can't get into Crooks' devices?

00:22:13.240 The whole thing is so bizarre.

00:22:14.440 Really?

00:22:14.680 Because they can read my text messages, I notice.

00:22:18.100 They can read your signal messages.

00:22:20.740 And they have.

00:22:21.400 Which is even worse than text messages.

00:22:23.100 I haven't even shot anybody.

00:22:25.520 I will, yeah, you're not Dick Cheney.

00:22:28.140 I will, I will go a step for, I try to not spend too much time on July 13th.

00:22:33.200 Yeah, I agree.

00:22:33.600 Because it's bad for my brain.

00:22:34.740 I totally agree.

00:22:35.420 It's so weird.

00:22:36.680 It's so bizarre.

00:22:38.020 I like spending time with my wife and my kids.

00:22:40.440 And I try to have a very focused subset of issues that I get passionate about.

00:22:44.420 That's how I feel.

00:22:45.200 Things that I can't get to answers on will drive me endlessly insane.

00:22:50.860 So I want one day to find out what happened on July 13th.

00:22:55.480 Because by only the grace of God and by a millimeter is Trump alive and is Trump president.

00:23:00.760 If you can murder presidential candidates, it's not a democracy, obviously.

00:23:04.760 And get away with it.

00:23:05.580 And get away with it, right.

00:23:07.260 But they just can't get into his devices.

00:23:08.900 I mean, he had no social media profile.

00:23:10.980 How did he get on the roof and how was it unguarded?

00:23:13.500 And then it was two days before the Republican National Convention.

00:23:16.660 It felt, again, if you were to kind of go in a dark place, which again, this is all speculation.

00:23:21.900 It felt like, well, this is our last chance before he's the nominee.

00:23:25.420 Yeah.

00:23:26.060 Because you know what happens once you're the nominee?

00:23:28.100 You get Secret Service protection.

00:23:29.780 Yeah.

00:23:30.340 And this is an unknown element of this.

00:23:32.500 Literally, as soon as you get to become the nomination by bylaws of Secret Service, whatever,

00:23:37.560 you get equal presidential protection.

00:23:40.200 So he had a bunch of like DHS hangovers.

00:23:42.960 You know, no offense to the people that were protecting him on the day of Butler,

00:23:45.720 some of which did a great job.

00:23:46.660 Some of which are not people I would necessarily, you know, go to war with.

00:23:51.040 No.

00:23:51.500 Just, you know, more of the TSA agent mold than the Secret Service agent mold.

00:23:55.720 And again, that's not a criticism of them.

00:23:57.620 So if you want to get like really dark and go in that direction, you have to ask those questions.

00:24:01.440 But I try not to focus too much on Butler because I think it actually,

00:24:04.620 it leads you in a place where you ask more questions and we have answers.

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00:27:19.820 So you are, I think, well, you are more in touch with young voters than any other single person in American politics.

00:27:30.100 Certainly on the Republican side, you're way more effective than the RNC, though I think they have a bigger budget than you.

00:27:36.600 We get along great with them.

00:27:38.040 I'm not quite sure what that will then.

00:27:39.480 I don't want to cause you problems.

00:27:40.460 I have no idea.

00:27:41.300 What do they do?

00:27:41.780 Back when Ronna was running things, we were very vocal about getting rid of Ronna McRomney.

00:27:47.460 I think you're the most effective Republican organizer, certainly among young people you are.

00:27:52.260 And you deal with them and you wade into the crowd and you go to college campuses and you debate people.

00:27:57.100 And you have a tactile sense, I think, of what younger voters care about.

00:28:01.740 And so I'll just ask you the obvious question.

00:28:03.120 What do they care about?

00:28:05.100 So there's a race against the clock that's happening right now.

00:28:08.540 And I think President Trump is uniquely suited to fix it.

00:28:11.920 He has to fix it.

00:28:13.040 Which is, can we reorder the economic reality of under 30s before dark political radicalization sets in?

00:28:22.860 The economic reality.

00:28:25.320 There's a topic that's never broached.

00:28:27.220 Well, here we go.

00:28:27.860 No, but it's just interesting before you, it's interesting that's your first answer.

00:28:33.040 The economics.

00:28:34.320 I have always noticed, and I am insulated from a lot of that stuff.

00:28:38.620 I'll admit, I don't really notice the dinner bill.

00:28:41.020 I would be otherwise if I didn't spend as much time.

00:28:45.260 Because we do very well.

00:28:46.960 We're in the top income bracket.

00:28:48.640 Well, I just noticed no one talks about it.

00:28:50.280 So I think that's weird.

00:28:52.080 People used to talk about economics.

00:28:53.320 They don't anymore.

00:28:53.800 So you think that that's economics is the number one issue for young people.

00:28:58.560 If we don't address it, we go to dark places.

00:29:00.360 What does that mean?

00:29:01.380 So a couple things.

00:29:02.460 Number one, the rise of Mamdani should be a, it's a coming attraction of what is coming next.

00:29:07.640 Who's Mamdani?

00:29:08.280 Zoran Mamdani, the Muslim communist that is running for mayor in New York City.

00:29:17.260 Who obviously, there's a whole rabbit hole we can go down there.

00:29:19.900 He just looks kind of be like central casting and his ideas are terrible.

00:29:23.800 He wants the city to run the grocery stores, all that.

00:29:25.900 But I think everyone's kind of, not everyone, but most people are missing the point of really

00:29:29.300 what this is.

00:29:30.260 This is yet another distress signal by young people to say, hey, if you're not going to

00:29:35.720 fix our life economically, we're going to get very radical politically.

00:29:39.700 Now, let's take a step back.

00:29:40.800 President Trump won the youth vote in many states across the country, in many battleground

00:29:44.120 states.

00:29:45.020 Now, Tucker, 12, 13 years ago when I started Turning Point, if you would have told me that

00:29:49.380 a Republican running for the presidency would be winning the youth vote in Michigan,

00:29:53.400 and in Arizona, I'd say no way.

00:29:55.400 It was, it's an incomprehensible accomplishment of what President Trump was able to do.

00:30:00.280 One of the reasons he was able to win younger voters and younger men, especially in big numbers,

00:30:04.740 is that they were trying to get their leader's attention.

00:30:08.040 They said, hey, this guy, Donald Trump, he is pledging to go fix our economic anxiety.

00:30:14.200 He is loud.

00:30:15.760 He is going to get your attention.

00:30:17.240 Donald Trump was a distress signal by a lot of young people, especially young men, that

00:30:23.900 were stuck in a credit-centric renter economy.

00:30:30.740 And again, this is what is the rise of Mom Donnie.

00:30:33.200 It's just another iteration of this, only from the left, which is-

00:30:36.840 A credit-centric renter economy.

00:30:40.340 Yes, which is the way that we need to focus, that we need to kind of frame this.

00:30:44.140 And conservatives, I think I know why, are just so unwilling to have this conversation.

00:30:50.640 And I'm not even going to get into what we should do about it.

00:30:52.860 I think I have some good ideas.

00:30:54.660 Trust me, I'm not a socialist.

00:30:55.980 I'm a market guy.

00:30:56.960 I like capitalism.

00:30:57.800 I think markets are good.

00:30:58.620 I think entrepreneurship is good.

00:31:00.220 But we need to kind of paint this picture first because I think so many, I know this for

00:31:04.300 certain, so many people in D.C. have no idea what I'm talking about when I bring this

00:31:08.320 up to them.

00:31:09.140 And secondly, a lot of people over 50 think this is a foreign concept.

00:31:12.480 And they think, quite honestly, this is just the complaining of young people that don't

00:31:16.380 want to work.

00:31:17.320 So let me kind of paint this picture.

00:31:19.840 It is harder than ever to own a home.

00:31:21.360 We know this.

00:31:21.900 But how much harder?

00:31:22.980 Back when my parents had to go own a home, the price of a home-

00:31:26.540 How old are your parents?

00:31:28.120 They're early 70s.

00:31:29.600 So late 60s, early 70s.

00:31:31.820 So baby boomers.

00:31:32.840 Yeah.

00:31:33.360 And great parents, by the way.

00:31:35.120 Phenomenal upbringing.

00:31:35.940 Great values.

00:31:36.540 So back when they wanted to go buy a home, in their beginning income years, 1970s, 1980s,

00:31:44.840 home prices were on average about three times the average income in America.

00:31:49.260 They are now seven times the average income in America.

00:31:52.760 Rents have gone up inflation-adjusted from about $900 a month to now about $1,500 a month.

00:31:59.040 Inflation-adjusted.

00:31:59.720 Inflation-adjusted.

00:32:01.060 The age of a first-time homebuyer in 2008 was 30 years old.

00:32:07.080 It is now 38 years old.

00:32:09.180 First-time homebuyer.

00:32:10.640 So when we have a picture of a first-time homebuyer-

00:32:12.720 Man, that's scary.

00:32:13.680 You think of, you know, kind of a toddler in one arm, a dog, you're trying to figure it

00:32:16.980 out.

00:32:17.840 38 years old.

00:32:19.480 So what is causing this?

00:32:21.340 Well, number one, I don't want to get like too Ron Paul libertarian, but the Federal

00:32:25.620 Reserve pumping in cheap money post-2008 has just been a catastrophe.

00:32:29.320 We have spent too much money, borrowed too much money.

00:32:31.540 We have deteriorated our currency.

00:32:33.460 And the purchasing power every generation is getting weaker.

00:32:36.700 So your dollar is actually going, it's going, it's going less and less as far as it has year

00:32:44.500 over year.

00:32:44.900 So then what is the consequence of this?

00:32:46.920 So you have a generation that is renting a lot more than it's owning.

00:32:49.960 So when you do not own something, why would you defend it?

00:32:52.880 And so you find then political radical radicalization start to seep in because an entire generation

00:33:00.440 is getting routinely cynical year over year as their net worth either stays at zero or

00:33:07.080 goes into negative.

00:33:08.580 Now, my question for every Republican senator and congressman watching this, if you do not

00:33:13.220 know these four letters, then you are not doing your job.

00:33:16.340 B-N-P-L.

00:33:17.660 Do you know what that means?

00:33:18.480 No clue.

00:33:19.140 Buy now, pay later.

00:33:20.240 Buy now, pay later is how 60%, according to surveys of Generation Z, is paying for things

00:33:28.100 month to month.

00:33:28.700 They're not credit cards.

00:33:29.840 So they're not, this is not regulated by credit bureaus.

00:33:32.540 It's not regulated with credit checks.

00:33:34.740 It's basically anything from Amazon to Instacart, groceries, clothing, furniture.

00:33:40.980 You can finance anything.

00:33:42.340 It's B-N-P-L.

00:33:43.720 It's run by three main companies, Klarna, Affirm, and Afterpay.

00:33:49.520 And essentially, you're 21, 22 years old.

00:33:52.080 You can split a pizza into four payments.

00:33:55.460 Sounds great, right?

00:33:56.420 This is the modern tech economy.

00:33:58.080 Buy a pizza on credit?

00:33:59.420 Yes.

00:34:00.780 You right now-

00:34:01.480 It's happening now?

00:34:01.940 You can go to Instacart right now and either through Klarna, Affirm, or Afterpay.

00:34:06.780 Those are the three big actors.

00:34:08.180 These are non-credit regulated bureaus.

00:34:09.960 Shut those fuckers down tomorrow.

00:34:12.440 No, I'm serious.

00:34:13.260 I'm so offended.

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00:38:21.620 And by the way, two of them are foreign companies, just so we're clear.

00:38:24.440 One is a Swedish company and one is an Australian company.

00:38:27.020 I did a deep dive into this.

00:38:28.360 You can buy a pizza on credit?

00:38:30.560 Yes, you can buy almost anything on credit.

00:38:32.900 Concert tickets, you can buy.

00:38:35.020 So when I'm a big sports fan, a huge Chicago Cubs fan, you know, it's just fun.

00:38:38.620 I grew up in Chicago.

00:38:39.580 When I go to buy tickets at Wrigley Field, they say, you know,

00:38:42.020 finance this over the next three years using Klarna.

00:38:44.940 Actually?

00:38:45.560 Yes.

00:38:46.520 Concert tickets, Taylor Swift tickets.

00:38:48.120 I mean, so what you have is a workaround.

00:38:50.960 What's the collateral?

00:38:52.980 There's no credit score.

00:38:54.420 So it's just you.

00:38:55.340 It's like your social security.

00:38:56.600 They're collateralizing you.

00:38:57.760 So it's very high risk for the quote unquote lender.

00:39:01.280 But they have the late fees and the penalties make these companies eventually hold because

00:39:07.140 they know they got you.

00:39:08.640 And again, this is not regulated by traditional credit bureaus.

00:39:10.960 So the federal government has not really waded in on this yet.

00:39:14.200 And again, you could.

00:39:15.780 I'm just like.

00:39:16.880 Your younger folks can affirm everything I'm saying.

00:39:19.440 Right.

00:39:19.980 I mean, am I correct?

00:39:21.420 I'm not making any of this up.

00:39:23.000 It's BNPL.

00:39:24.180 So when I sit down with a Republican senator.

00:39:25.880 I never think of myself as out of it or not in touch or whatever.

00:39:29.220 I flatter myself that I've got my thumb on the pulse of the country.

00:39:33.360 I am shocked.

00:39:34.800 I've heard people refer to this.

00:39:36.200 I didn't realize you could.

00:39:37.540 If you can buy a pizza on credit, someone needs to.

00:39:39.960 No, but here's the kicker.

00:39:41.440 And your groceries.

00:39:42.640 The belief is that Gen Z is doing this to live above their means.

00:39:48.700 Some.

00:39:49.960 Most are actually doing this to meet their means.

00:39:53.920 So that's the definition of predatory.

00:39:58.020 Right.

00:39:58.560 And so, again, this is not structurally healthy debt.

00:40:02.000 So there's an argument for debt if you have a mortgage because the whole system is kind

00:40:05.320 of rigged towards mortgages.

00:40:06.540 Of course it is.

00:40:06.960 You could deduct the interest, the asset price goes up.

00:40:09.520 It's hard to get off the mortgage addiction.

00:40:11.320 I did it, but there's an argument for it.

00:40:13.700 You take your lumps if you don't have a mortgage.

00:40:16.060 And I think there's an argument that's actually an okay and reconcilable type of debt.

00:40:21.220 I know smart people who have mortgages.

00:40:22.360 If you are in investment banking and you have student loan debt and that student loan certificate,

00:40:27.260 you know, that credential got you the investment bank.

00:40:29.340 Okay.

00:40:29.540 You bet on yourself.

00:40:31.200 Maybe that's justified.

00:40:32.100 Again, I'm very anti-college, as you know.

00:40:33.920 There's really no place where you can make an argument that financing your Whole Foods

00:40:38.340 order is good for you.

00:40:40.220 But to do that to young people who really, I mean, I'm 56 and I'm still terrible with

00:40:46.240 money.

00:40:47.300 I mean, it's hard.

00:40:48.060 It's hard.

00:40:49.060 And I don't think I'm lazy.

00:40:50.040 I'm not lazy.

00:40:50.680 And I don't think I'm profligate.

00:40:52.380 But I also think I'm easily fooled because I'm distracted.

00:40:56.300 And if I was 21, imagine how much more unsophisticated I would be and how much more vulnerable to

00:41:04.720 predatory behavior like that.

00:41:07.080 And everything is so easy because everything is digital now.

00:41:10.600 I mean, that's an awful thing to do to young people.

00:41:12.960 And it creates a subterranean debt market that a lot of these young people think this

00:41:16.760 is how you pay for stuff.

00:41:18.240 They haven't been educated otherwise.

00:41:20.520 Like, oh yeah, I'll just, you know, pay for that meal in five installments.

00:41:24.380 What are the interest rates like?

00:41:26.120 They can get very high.

00:41:27.260 I don't want to speak out of turn, but they can get to be double digits.

00:41:30.260 Right.

00:41:30.520 And so that's really where they get you is the late fees.

00:41:32.540 This is bonkers.

00:41:33.700 And so it's not regulated by traditional APR.

00:41:37.220 So this is a very, it's a gray area.

00:41:39.200 And I think people are finally waking up.

00:41:40.880 So, hey, Republicans.

00:41:42.020 Can you tell me the name of the three companies again?

00:41:43.740 So it's Affirm.

00:41:45.160 Affirm.

00:41:46.040 Affirm.

00:41:47.340 Calarna.

00:41:48.500 Calarna.

00:41:49.180 Calarna and Afterpay.

00:41:51.820 Afterpay, which is the American one.

00:41:53.380 I believe so.

00:41:53.960 So one of them was bought by Box and is operated by Square, which I believe is Calarna.

00:42:01.100 I don't want to speak out of term here.

00:42:02.140 One of them was, it's still Australian run, but it's run by Box.

00:42:05.580 It might be Afterpay.

00:42:06.360 Someone can fact check me on this.

00:42:07.880 But those are the three big actors.

00:42:09.060 And they've kind of just gone below the surface.

00:42:12.520 So we create all this economic anxiety by pumping the system with cheap money.

00:42:16.860 Everything gets more expensive.

00:42:18.420 Meanwhile, we have millions of young people that are financing their Coachella tickets,

00:42:24.340 but it's not through credit cards.

00:42:25.680 Because in credit cards, we have a very regimented, regulated system.

00:42:29.000 I think the credit cards are a disaster and we need to kind of figure that out.

00:42:32.980 But this is a totally different thing.

00:42:35.840 And so what they've done is they've tried to create a loophole and federal regulators

00:42:39.360 are slow as they typically are.

00:42:41.300 And they're like, oh, no, this is not credit cards.

00:42:42.760 This is something else.

00:42:43.500 This is like a repayment thing.

00:42:45.340 It's like buy now, pay later.

00:42:46.640 And it's the opposite of what built the West.

00:42:51.000 What built the West is work now, pay after.

00:42:56.540 So you're going to like, well, meaning like we will enjoy things later.

00:43:00.300 That's what built the West.

00:43:02.000 This is like enjoy things now and pay for it later.

00:43:05.440 It is a...

00:43:06.520 You know what I don't like about conservatives, and I am one,

00:43:09.020 is that it would never occur to some of them that there are two sides to the story.

00:43:14.300 It's like immediately, you know, they blame the people who are,

00:43:17.740 you know, buying Coachella tickets on credit, which I get.

00:43:20.440 You shouldn't buy Coachella tickets on credit or your pizza or your Whole Foods order.

00:43:23.120 I totally agree with that.

00:43:24.160 That's stupid.

00:43:25.260 But they never, it doesn't occur to them that there's another side,

00:43:28.580 that the people loaning the money are taking advantage of the dumb people borrowing the money.

00:43:33.740 They both are culpable.

00:43:35.300 And by the way, I think the people with more power and more wisdom

00:43:39.140 are probably more culpable, act morally, than the people who are...

00:43:44.180 In other words, like, are we matter at the drug user or the drug dealer?

00:43:48.160 Well, typically the dealer, but conservatives look at all economic arrangements,

00:43:51.580 and they never blame the dealer.

00:43:53.820 And I don't know what that is.

00:43:55.260 Like, how about we'll blame everybody?

00:43:56.600 It's bad.

00:43:57.240 I think the reason, and it's a tick within the conservative movement,

00:44:00.660 is that all of a sudden we're Marxists if we do that.

00:44:03.660 And I think that they're...

00:44:04.680 No, I'm not saying...

00:44:05.400 I don't believe that, obviously.

00:44:06.080 No, no, but you're absolutely right.

00:44:07.220 It's like, I'm a racist if I don't like mass immigration.

00:44:09.600 Well, I don't like mass immigration, but I'm not a racist.

00:44:12.840 I don't like this, and I'm not a Marxist.

00:44:14.780 Like, it's just name-calling to stop you from raising the question.

00:44:18.060 It's thought-terminating cliches.

00:44:20.040 Is what it is.

00:44:20.600 So good!

00:44:21.200 Right?

00:44:21.520 It's, stop thinking it, because we're going to terminate your thought

00:44:24.540 by calling you a Marxist or whatever.

00:44:26.700 And do I think this should be illegal?

00:44:28.520 I don't know.

00:44:29.260 Probably.

00:44:29.820 I need to learn more about it.

00:44:31.000 All I'm saying is I am here as a messenger of the next generation.

00:44:34.300 I'm telling you, this is bad.

00:44:37.020 This generation can't own anything.

00:44:39.660 They owe so much more money than generations prior.

00:44:42.860 This is the most indebted generation in history.

00:44:45.280 And I double-checked that.

00:44:46.540 Gen Z owes the most money in any generation in history.

00:44:51.380 So we wonder why, then all of a sudden,

00:44:53.720 hey, you want to go buy a home now at the age of 38?

00:44:56.660 Your credit score is destroyed.

00:44:58.360 Your spending habits are terrible.

00:45:00.540 You don't want to save, and you don't think you should save.

00:45:02.720 And you know what I hear from some of them?

00:45:04.300 Is they say, well, why should I save when what I saw around me is that you need to get into this

00:45:10.460 economy and spend, spend, spend, because the savers got wrecked in 2008?

00:45:15.400 Again, that's an oversimplification, but there is economic nihilism that has set in

00:45:19.420 to a lot of this next generation, where they're not participating in any of the upside right now,

00:45:26.360 any of the upside of the last five years.

00:45:28.820 In fact, they're only seeing the downside.

00:45:30.740 They're seeing their apartments get smaller, their rents go up,

00:45:34.300 their groceries get more expensive.

00:45:36.560 Now, mind you, I think President Trump is, again, he's uniquely positioned to solve this.

00:45:40.540 I think that his one big, beautiful bill is going to help, and I think growth will help this and

00:45:44.100 lowering interest rates.

00:45:45.380 But let me just say, though, why do I say it's a race against the clock?

00:45:48.080 And here's why it should concern conservatives.

00:45:49.960 Because when I'm at dinner parties raising money, some of our donors are a little indifferent

00:45:54.600 about this.

00:45:55.180 They'll have kind of like a, hey, pull yourself up by the bootstraps attitude.

00:45:58.120 That's hard to shake.

00:45:59.300 I don't have that attitude.

00:46:00.180 I actually have a lot more compassion for the 23-year-old that is working a double-double

00:46:04.580 shift and can't afford anything.

00:46:06.480 But even if you don't care about them, you're not going to like the politics that comes next.

00:46:10.660 But how did we wind up on the side of the money lenders?

00:46:12.980 I mean, at no other time in history is Epic considered a virtuous business at all.

00:46:16.960 I know a million people in that business, finance, we call it.

00:46:20.420 But I don't understand why they became immune from criticism.

00:46:26.460 And that's, I mean, there are places where, you know, loaning, I borrowed a lot of money

00:46:30.800 in my life and I'm grateful for it and all that.

00:46:33.520 But I don't think it's virtuous.

00:46:36.580 And I don't think we should say that it's virtuous.

00:46:38.900 I don't think the people who should do it, who do it, should be above criticism.

00:46:41.920 I don't know, why is the right participating in basically a cover-up of a crime against

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00:46:48.020 Or even like from my perspective, why is the right so blind to the suffering of the young

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00:50:37.160 Period.

00:50:37.560 This is a generation that just put you in charge of all your committees.

00:50:40.860 Young people, thank you.

00:50:42.820 They should be saying, thank you, younger voters.

00:50:44.860 You voted Republican in overwhelming numbers.

00:50:47.020 That's one of the reasons, again, I like Dave McCormick a ton, so I'm not throwing him into this,

00:50:50.100 but younger voters helped put Dave McCormick as a U.S. senator.

00:50:53.400 And I think he gets this more so than most.

00:50:55.760 Donald Trump built this movement of younger voters that galvanized the nation.

00:50:59.760 Again, this is the untold story of the 2024 election is how Donald Trump won the youth vote

00:51:03.680 in so many parts of the country.

00:51:04.780 Okay, so what are they experiencing?

00:51:07.040 They own nothing.

00:51:08.660 They're renting constantly.

00:51:10.600 And they're involved in this scam of a credit-based economy.

00:51:15.720 Everything is based on credit.

00:51:17.580 And so then what it does is it deteriorates your capacity to have equity.

00:51:20.880 And so, again, I'm not here to propose like a solution of all these different policy requirements.

00:51:26.680 All I'm saying is how about some national attention for this?

00:51:29.640 How about-

00:51:30.100 There's going to be-

00:51:30.480 Can we have a conversation about it?

00:51:31.900 There's going to be a policy solution imposed on the rest of us,

00:51:34.580 which is just stealing your stuff.

00:51:35.980 Well, that's the thing.

00:51:36.640 So that's what I'm-

00:51:37.460 This is where the continuum, whatever you want to call it, the spectrum,

00:51:41.020 you know, whatever DC term, we're here in kind of-

00:51:44.860 Again, I am a market guy.

00:51:47.180 I am too.

00:51:47.640 I like private property.

00:51:48.900 I agree.

00:51:49.280 I like trading.

00:51:50.440 I'm with you.

00:51:51.020 I like when I meet someone good at their craft and they're a carpenter or they're a small business owner.

00:51:54.560 I actually want to save markets.

00:51:57.140 And if we don't do something about this, you're going to get a Venezuelan-style youth-led revolt.

00:52:03.880 Exactly right.

00:52:04.100 And I am not exaggerating because what I see right here is with this next generation, younger voters,

00:52:10.160 young men in particular, they're going right.

00:52:11.760 They hate all the cultural stuff.

00:52:12.820 The trans stuff's driving them crazy.

00:52:13.980 The hyper-feminization of the economy, which we should talk about because I want to talk about that.

00:52:17.920 The whole economy has become feminized the last couple decades and no one has the courage to really talk about it.

00:52:24.120 That's not just female empowerment?

00:52:26.080 It's more than that?

00:52:26.640 No, because we went from blue-collar jobs to pink-collar jobs.

00:52:29.340 Okay.

00:52:29.900 I don't want to-

00:52:30.420 I can't wait.

00:52:31.980 But I'm sorry to interrupt you.

00:52:32.840 We can talk about pink-collar in a second because that's super important because male unemployment is significantly higher than female unemployment.

00:52:40.260 But let's put a little button in that and just revisit in a second.

00:52:43.500 Political radicalism needs a catalyst.

00:52:45.640 First, political radicalism does not come out of peace, prosperity, rising wages, stable families, church attendance, and happy people.

00:52:53.900 Happy people, grateful people do not get behind Vladimir Lenin, and they certainly don't get behind Chavez or Castro.

00:53:00.920 That's right.

00:53:01.620 People that own nothing, that feel like their property is diminishing or they don't have property or their dollar is diminishing in value, they start to look for alternatives.

00:53:09.140 And so the political project in front of us as conservatives should be, how do we actually de-radicalize the country in the next couple of years?

00:53:17.240 That's my obsession.

00:53:19.520 That's why I say I try not to think about all this other stuff because it's such brain space.

00:53:23.780 My number one obsession is I know what is coming next because nobody spends more time on college campuses than me.

00:53:30.060 I hate to pull rank on that, but I spend 100 hours a semester on college campuses.

00:53:35.880 And you're getting no credits?

00:53:37.420 No, I get no credits for that.

00:53:38.440 I still don't have a college degree.

00:53:40.240 No, I love that.

00:53:41.140 No, but I listen.

00:53:43.160 And that's the thing.

00:53:43.800 I know people ask all the time, hey, why do you do these campus events?

00:53:47.020 Why don't you just give a speech?

00:53:47.700 Because I listen as much as I talk.

00:53:49.860 And I put my microphone down.

00:53:51.860 And these videos have been seen around the world and people have grown familiar.

00:53:55.520 But almost all of them are like, Charlie, I don't know what to do.

00:53:58.040 Like trading crypto till 2 a.m.

00:54:00.420 And kind of betting that the Green Bay Packers are going to win the Super Bowl.

00:54:04.500 That's not enough for me.

00:54:05.340 Charlie, what can we do?

00:54:06.900 And one of the reasons they voted for Trump is they said,

00:54:08.820 President Trump, please reorder this economy for us because it's severely disordered.

00:54:14.680 And so the Republican Party currently is focused on a lot of stuff.

00:54:20.200 I get it.

00:54:20.440 You have a lot of constituencies to serve.

00:54:22.320 But we have participated, we being the body politic the last 20 years,

00:54:26.740 especially the last 10, in a concerted effort of intergenerational theft.

00:54:32.480 And if you don't care, Mom Donnie is just the beginning.

00:54:36.820 So someone, you know, in the next 10 years is going to shut it down.

00:54:42.820 Because the public doesn't want this at all.

00:54:44.840 They don't want...

00:54:45.580 Shut what down?

00:54:46.880 Shut down just the parasit economy.

00:54:49.360 Because it's going to get shut down.

00:54:51.220 This is...

00:54:51.720 And everyone participating in it knows that.

00:54:53.740 They're trying to steal as much as they can before it gets shut down.

00:54:56.160 So the question is, is it shut down by Teddy Roosevelt?

00:54:58.680 Or is it shut down by Hugo Chavez?

00:55:00.920 Well, and here's the brilliance of Teddy Roosevelt.

00:55:02.840 So there's a lot of anti-Roosevelt fervor on the right.

00:55:05.620 There is?

00:55:06.760 Yeah, yeah.

00:55:07.900 Why?

00:55:08.340 Well, not a lot.

00:55:09.360 I should say amongst the intellectuals.

00:55:11.520 They're the worst.

00:55:12.780 Why do they dislike Teddy Roosevelt?

00:55:13.920 So part of it I get.

00:55:15.040 Part of it is that he was...

00:55:16.880 The war craziness?

00:55:18.560 Well, actually, it's funny.

00:55:19.640 He actually ended the Russo-Japanese War.

00:55:23.180 I think he got a Nobel Prize for it, if I'm not mistaken, right?

00:55:25.540 Yep.

00:55:25.820 Did he get a Nobel Peace Prize for it?

00:55:26.880 I don't know, but...

00:55:27.540 But anyway, he deserved one.

00:55:28.820 It was a bloody war.

00:55:29.800 But no, some would say that Roosevelt began the progressive era.

00:55:35.320 I think that's an over description.

00:55:37.440 I don't want to get into that because I'm not that interested in that.

00:55:39.460 What I'm interested in, though, is how Roosevelt was one of the few...

00:55:42.620 We were one of the few powers to successfully manage the transition from the farms to the

00:55:47.400 factories.

00:55:48.520 And that's hard when you think about it.

00:55:50.480 You have your entire population that is moving into cities.

00:55:53.900 That transition, if done incorrectly, creates a ruling class that is untouchable.

00:55:57.740 So Roosevelt was like, actually, I'm here to save capitalism.

00:56:00.860 I'm here to save markets.

00:56:02.240 And he did.

00:56:02.700 And he did.

00:56:03.620 And that is the enduring legacy of Roosevelt.

00:56:05.960 Obviously, the national parks, which my wife and I are enjoying right now, and untouched

00:56:09.660 beauty, which I think is amazing.

00:56:11.340 And just the fact that he was a hunter and outdoorsman and like a man's man and super

00:56:14.580 masculine and all that was awesome.

00:56:17.140 I don't love the fact he ran for president in 1912 out of bitterness, but that's a whole

00:56:20.780 separate thing.

00:56:21.600 He gave us Woodrow Wilson because of that.

00:56:24.000 It's hard to decelerate for guys like...

00:56:26.060 No, I mean, he's...

00:56:26.940 You know, I know the type.

00:56:28.120 Yeah, I do too.

00:56:28.940 But his legacy that I want us to...

00:56:31.740 The Rooseveltian...

00:56:32.900 Whatever, I don't think that's the right term.

00:56:34.660 Let's coin it.

00:56:35.320 Let's coin it.

00:56:35.740 The Rooseveltian energy or aura, to use a Gen Z term, is, hey, don't be ideological.

00:56:43.060 Have a prudential aim.

00:56:44.620 What do we want?

00:56:45.560 We want an ownership economy.

00:56:47.080 We want people that feel invested, that have real equity.

00:56:50.220 So how do we get there non-ideologically?

00:56:52.160 Because we actually want to preserve markets because we want a country.

00:56:55.260 What I commonly say...

00:56:56.760 Are people listening to you?

00:56:57.720 I hope people in charge are listening to you.

00:56:59.440 I don't...

00:56:59.720 Well, the president listens to me.

00:57:01.060 He's amazing.

00:57:02.040 People in Capitol Hill don't listen to me very much.

00:57:03.820 They need to listen to you.

00:57:04.960 What you're saying is true.

00:57:06.120 Well, thank you.

00:57:06.720 And I...

00:57:07.180 Again, I am...

00:57:08.680 This is going to sound really cringe, but like, in some ways, people have compared me

00:57:11.960 to like Paul Revere.

00:57:13.060 And it's like, I'm warning of something that is coming.

00:57:15.100 Like, the Bolsheviks are coming.

00:57:16.360 The Bolsheviks are coming.

00:57:17.360 I wrote a book on this and no one paid any attention.

00:57:19.460 Well, I did.

00:57:19.880 No, but I'm saying it's gotten so much worse and your explanation is so much more vivid

00:57:25.280 than anything I came up with.

00:57:28.380 And you have the credibility that I did not have, which is someone who's...

00:57:33.740 Well, doesn't have a college degree and is constantly on college campuses.

00:57:36.780 I just hope they're...

00:57:37.580 I hope they're listening because this is the story.

00:57:40.040 This is the biggest story happening that has not yet happened.

00:57:43.260 And that's what I always say is that it's happening, but it hasn't yet happened on the

00:57:46.500 front page.

00:57:46.940 And when it does, don't be shocked when all of a sudden people are calling for a 75%

00:57:51.460 wealth tax.

00:57:52.340 That's happening.

00:57:52.840 And they want a 50% tax on capital gains.

00:57:55.140 Totally right.

00:57:55.840 And so what Roosevelt, just to complete the Roosevelt point, is that when you know what

00:58:00.500 you want and you can aim towards it, you can shed yourself off the bumper sticker logic.

00:58:06.180 Yes.

00:58:06.780 And you can get towards something practical and prudent, real and beautiful.

00:58:11.900 The best leaders in American history, the ones that are underrated, honestly, the

00:58:15.820 Roosevelt's and the Eisenhower's, they were non-ideological.

00:58:19.380 They were nationalistic.

00:58:20.640 They were America first.

00:58:22.240 They loved the country.

00:58:23.520 And they weren't caring about whether or not they were fitting a mold of a think tank white

00:58:28.820 paper.

00:58:29.440 And TR was a sincere Christian, a sincere Christian.

00:58:31.800 Yes.

00:58:32.080 And I believe Eisenhower was as well.

00:58:33.460 I can't...

00:58:34.020 I actually don't know.

00:58:35.020 Um, so the statesmanship dilemma of today is, can you either challenge or convince?

00:58:44.840 Because one of the others, the ruling class, that this is necessary.

00:58:49.480 And I don't think convincing is going to work.

00:58:52.300 No.

00:58:52.800 So you have to challenge them.

00:58:54.200 And hilariously, it's actually the best thing for them.

00:58:57.440 Yeah.

00:58:57.860 Because otherwise, they're coming for their mansions.

00:59:00.900 And they're coming for their assets.

00:59:02.520 And they're coming for their companies.

00:59:03.920 And I don't want to live in that country.

00:59:05.280 I do not want to live in South Africa.

00:59:07.120 I don't want to live in a resentment, bitterness country where I have to walk, I have to drive

00:59:09.980 around in armored cars all the time.

00:59:11.740 And I can't leave my house after 10 p.m.

00:59:13.340 Especially, we don't even know who lives here.

00:59:15.720 Well, that's a whole other component of this.

00:59:17.400 No, but I'm just saying that makes it more volatile.

00:59:19.060 So if there is a...

00:59:20.080 Of course.

00:59:20.840 ...severe economic contraction, and of course, at some point there will be,

00:59:25.180 it's not, you're not going to have a civilian conservation corps.

00:59:28.040 It's like, because the country's inherently not united, and citizens have nothing in common

00:59:32.420 with each other.

00:59:33.060 And like, who are my neighbors?

00:59:34.760 They don't even speak my language.

00:59:36.080 They don't know what the Civil War was.

00:59:38.060 We're not on the same page on any level.

00:59:40.100 And they have expectations that are totally unrealistic, because they were getting free

00:59:43.500 stuff the second they got here.

00:59:45.220 So like, man, you could have...

00:59:46.960 This is an emergency, I think.

00:59:48.860 Yes.

00:59:49.200 And it is a volcano waiting to explode.

00:59:51.380 I mean, any one of your metaphors that you could put in.

00:59:53.820 But we are a nation of strangers.

00:59:55.020 The ties that bind us together are purely economic.

00:59:58.500 If you think about it, it's not language, it's not culture, it's not religion, it's

01:00:03.040 not, you know...

01:00:04.220 Shared history.

01:00:04.860 Shared history.

01:00:05.780 It's not any of that.

01:00:07.380 We are basic, we have, and this is the distinction, it's that economy.

01:00:10.320 I ask Republican leaders all the time, because voters get it, that's the thing.

01:00:13.940 Do you want to be a country or a colony?

01:00:15.960 What do you mean?

01:00:17.100 Tell me the difference.

01:00:18.360 Because I could tell you what a colony is.

01:00:19.540 A colony is a place where everyone just kind of comes, and they trade stuff, and you

01:00:22.600 have a good time, and you kind of go in your own little corner.

01:00:24.680 But you have nothing in common.

01:00:26.600 It is the reverse colonization of America, which is the greatest of all ironies, right?

01:00:31.200 Because we tried to do the colonization thing.

01:00:33.560 But we are colonizing ourselves.

01:00:35.900 You think about it, because we really don't have much in common anymore.

01:00:39.220 We're kind of in our own little corner, and all that unites us is the dollar bill.

01:00:43.920 And we're told that that is the most important thing.

01:00:46.580 Well, what happens when the dollar bill then shreds?

01:00:48.780 You see, economic volatility is survivable if you're a nation of neighbors.

01:00:54.580 Exactly.

01:00:55.320 Because then you go to church, and then you have commonality, and you're like, you kind

01:00:57.920 of bind together, and you figure it out.

01:00:59.420 Like the Great Depression, for example.

01:01:01.280 We survived that because we were a different people demographically.

01:01:05.040 We were different religiously.

01:01:06.760 But when you're a nation of strangers filled with third-worlders that don't really understand

01:01:11.660 what this country is about, and they're just here for free stuff socialism, watch out.

01:01:16.560 But this, again, I don't like the term emergency.

01:01:20.060 I'm not challenging you on it, only because I don't want to do the Greta Thunberg thing

01:01:22.640 where like the sky is falling.

01:01:24.000 You know what I mean?

01:01:24.400 It just drives me crazy, the over-catastrovisation of American politics.

01:01:27.720 It probably needs to be addressed immediately.

01:01:28.980 But it will become an emergency.

01:01:30.540 Like it is a canary in the coal mine.

01:01:32.560 It's a harbinger.

01:01:33.340 It is a sign.

01:01:34.020 It's a warning of things to come that if I get 10 minutes with somebody, I think I

01:01:40.040 can convince them it's kind of a problem-ish.

01:01:42.460 But then as a step further, it has all these other secondary problems and third and fourth

01:01:49.140 tier problems like birth rate collapse and marriage issues and young men not participating

01:01:55.080 in the labor force.

01:01:56.440 And then you don't have a civilization.

01:01:58.700 And so I guess that's a long-winded way to say that almost every politician when they

01:02:05.520 run for office will give some sort of euphemism, some sort of thing.

01:02:09.060 I'm doing this because of my kids and they bring up their beautiful family up on stage.

01:02:12.960 You've seen this, what, 500 times.

01:02:14.840 Are you really doing this for your kids?

01:02:17.020 Are you really doing this for the next generation?

01:02:19.900 Because if you were, you wouldn't be doing what you're currently doing.

01:02:27.620 This is just settling hard on me because you've confirmed and put a much finer point on a lot

01:02:32.760 of things that I can intuit, I can smell and to some extent see.

01:02:37.840 But so when you talk to college kids, the first thing they bring up is money.

01:02:42.860 No, not always.

01:02:43.340 I mean, I shouldn't say that.

01:02:44.320 I mean, sometimes it's abortion, sometimes it's trans, sometimes it's foreign policy.

01:02:47.420 But the undercurrent of anxiety is economic.

01:02:50.960 I do get more economic questions than anything else for sure, but I don't want to oversimplify.

01:02:55.740 But let me also divide this into two different categories.

01:02:59.220 So young women are doing much better in this economy than young men.

01:03:02.600 For the first time in the last 30 years, young male unemployment is around 7%.

01:03:06.460 Young female unemployment is around 4%.

01:03:08.800 So we are seeing the creation of kind of the lost boys.

01:03:12.660 They're disappearing.

01:03:13.620 They're leaving the workforce.

01:03:15.180 We don't really know what they're doing all day long.

01:03:18.740 You and I can speculate, but they're not reading Montesquieu.

01:03:24.760 If a whole society organized around hating white men, should it shock us that they're

01:03:28.860 being destroyed?

01:03:29.820 No.

01:03:30.140 How is this an accident?

01:03:31.180 No, it's a deliberate, intentional campaign.

01:03:33.880 And so what I find, young men are flocking to our events and they want meaning and they

01:03:38.660 want purpose.

01:03:39.300 And some of this is values.

01:03:40.400 I don't want to say, this is not all economics.

01:03:41.940 I want to be very clear.

01:03:43.380 But some of those, it's-

01:03:44.560 You're making me so radical that my first thought was, make them a militia, Charlie.

01:03:48.060 No, no, no.

01:03:49.140 Arm them.

01:03:49.880 No, sorry.

01:03:50.520 But disavow.

01:03:52.280 No.

01:03:52.380 Disavow, you disavow that completely.

01:03:54.400 I'm the lunatic here, not you.

01:03:56.100 You are very, you've got a future.

01:03:58.400 Yeah, okay.

01:03:59.260 But so I mentioned this earlier, I want to dive into this.

01:04:03.140 The entire economy has become hyper-feminized.

01:04:05.260 The education system has become hyper-feminized.

01:04:07.220 I'm sure you've heard those arguments.

01:04:09.020 Well, yeah, I've got a lot of kids.

01:04:10.960 Again, sit still, do what you're told, right?

01:04:14.240 Read the hyper-feminine books.

01:04:17.000 But you think about, what are the jobs that have had the greatest emphasis of the credentialing,

01:04:22.420 you know, which basically is what college is.

01:04:23.820 It's just a massive credentialing exercise.

01:04:26.060 They're not the more masculine jobs that we need, which is like industrial engineering,

01:04:30.520 or they're HR managers.

01:04:33.100 They're norm enforcers.

01:04:35.360 They're empathy-driven.

01:04:37.200 They're sociologists or DEI czars.

01:04:41.300 And so, thankfully, we're finally pushing back on DEI.

01:04:44.680 But a young man doesn't want to go be an HR manager.

01:04:47.920 I mean, they would rather go to a WNBA game than be an HR manager.

01:04:51.820 I mean, it's-

01:04:52.240 Well, that's a strong thing to say.

01:04:55.020 It's, we don't, it's a coin toss, but-

01:04:58.840 I don't think they're allowed to be HR managers, are they?

01:05:00.820 No, but that's-

01:05:01.500 A straight man?

01:05:02.200 No, of course not.

01:05:02.840 And so, the entire economy, the push, the thrust the last decade has been, the growth

01:05:10.120 has been in what we call pink-collar jobs, jobs that men would rather sit at home and

01:05:15.300 kind of just be, you know, slovenly than be caught doing, because it's just so demeaning

01:05:19.860 to how we as men are wired.

01:05:21.680 They're not about creation or risk-taking or value proposition or, you know, boundary pushing.

01:05:28.200 They're kind of about, well, here are the rules and the norms and we must enforce them.

01:05:31.380 And by the way, there is a rule-

01:05:32.880 They're mom jobs.

01:05:34.220 Exactly.

01:05:35.080 And you know why they're mom jobs?

01:05:36.840 Because these women aren't moms.

01:05:40.360 Okay, now, now I think we need a militia, but whatever.

01:05:42.740 Okay, that's, sorry.

01:05:43.840 Now, this is-

01:05:44.540 No, because you think about it.

01:05:46.880 Yeah, I have thought about it, but I haven't-

01:05:48.440 No, but I'm putting-

01:05:49.200 I haven't thought about it as deeply as you've thought about it.

01:05:51.120 I'm connecting the dots, though.

01:05:51.700 You are connecting the dots.

01:05:52.540 Because why are these, these women play mom at work?

01:05:56.040 Because they don't have kids at home.

01:05:59.980 That's dark, man.

01:06:01.860 It's true.

01:06:03.320 So the effect is, I mean, the effect is obvious.

01:06:06.940 And all of this comes from economics.

01:06:10.560 So those of us-

01:06:11.320 Not all of it, there's values too.

01:06:12.800 Of course.

01:06:13.580 But to some extent, I just noticed that living in a predominantly black city and then spending

01:06:20.400 part of the year in an entirely white area that had been de-industrialized, you saw kind

01:06:27.320 of similar, you saw lots of million differences.

01:06:29.740 Well, there's no violence in the all-white area, for one thing, which I'm grateful for.

01:06:33.880 Zero violence.

01:06:34.580 But you did see similar family formation patterns, where as the jobs for men disappeared, people

01:06:40.840 stopped getting married.

01:06:42.240 That's right.

01:06:42.940 And so what I thought was purely about values, like decent people get married when they have

01:06:46.940 children-

01:06:47.520 I totally agree with this, yes.

01:06:48.420 ...turned out to be partly about values, but also the values were shaped by the economic

01:06:51.940 realities.

01:06:52.480 And women don't want to marry men who make less than they do, so they didn't get married.

01:06:55.540 The same reason why women don't like dating guys smaller than them.

01:06:59.360 Because they know intuitively at some point they're going to be pregnant, and they're going

01:07:03.440 to be vulnerable, and they want a man to be able to defend them.

01:07:05.960 Yes.

01:07:06.280 And so again, women have- my wife is right here.

01:07:08.840 They have an interesting way of communicating.

01:07:10.480 They won't put it as bluntly as I am right now, so let me just kind of put it all out there.

01:07:14.780 Women, deep down, want to be protected and served.

01:07:17.200 Of course.

01:07:17.780 And so they don't want a guy that is earning less or that at some point they feel as if they're

01:07:21.780 going to have to provide for.

01:07:23.080 Of course.

01:07:23.380 That is very off-putting.

01:07:24.520 So, Scott Galloway, who's a man of the left, he's actually done some really good scholarship

01:07:28.840 on this.

01:07:29.660 He's from NYU.

01:07:31.080 He has a really important point that I think is necessary to hone in on.

01:07:34.800 When women get disenchanted in the dating pool, they focus on friendships and work, which

01:07:39.800 is totally true.

01:07:40.980 They pour all their energy into either friendships or in work.

01:07:44.020 We see that.

01:07:45.080 When men get disenchanted with the dating pool, they pull out from society basically all together.

01:07:49.960 Because you know why?

01:07:50.760 There's like a hint of embarrassment and shame.

01:07:53.400 Not just a hint.

01:07:55.640 More than that.

01:07:56.220 It's the definition of shame.

01:07:57.980 Yes.

01:07:58.080 And so…

01:07:58.860 You can't provide.

01:07:59.700 You've failed.

01:08:00.260 So, the women are more likely to graduate college.

01:08:04.700 They're more likely to close on a home.

01:08:06.340 They're more economically secure.

01:08:08.020 They're also simultaneously, many of which are miserable.

01:08:10.440 We know this.

01:08:11.280 They're the most incredibly addicted to antidepressants and suicidal ideation.

01:08:17.280 And the numbers speak for themselves.

01:08:18.700 The most miserable women of the West are those that are unmarried without kids.

01:08:22.860 The numbers know that.

01:08:24.020 They speak it out.

01:08:25.240 And again, this is materially true.

01:08:28.000 We see this in our life.

01:08:29.040 Well, the rate of diagnosed mental illness is like off the chart.

01:08:32.020 Yeah.

01:08:32.200 And I think part of that is just confirmation bias.

01:08:34.400 I think we're looking for more of it so people think they have it more.

01:08:36.740 But I will also say that people are…

01:08:39.740 You and I both see it.

01:08:40.420 They're unhappier.

01:08:41.200 This is an unhappier generation.

01:08:42.860 Yes.

01:08:43.100 And let me just be clear.

01:08:44.040 I think most diagnosed mental illness is a total lie.

01:08:47.300 Some of which is legit.

01:08:48.560 Of course.

01:08:49.220 You and I both know.

01:08:49.780 It's real.

01:08:50.580 But I mean, whatever.

01:08:52.220 That's a whole separate conversation.

01:08:52.800 That's a whole separate…

01:08:53.600 Yeah.

01:08:53.820 And I would refer everybody to Laura Delano, who was diagnosed with profound mental illness

01:08:59.100 and recovered.

01:09:00.760 I had a conversation with her earlier this summer that was one of the most…

01:09:04.660 I'm still thinking about it.

01:09:05.640 Let me just put it that way.

01:09:06.380 It was Laura Delano, as in Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

01:09:10.040 I'll have to check that out.

01:09:10.720 It's worth it.

01:09:11.360 It's worth it.

01:09:11.900 Anyway, sorry.

01:09:12.380 I didn't know.

01:09:12.680 No.

01:09:13.000 And so, the entire configuration of the West has been to put men down and to put women up.

01:09:21.920 And so, what are the consequences of that?

01:09:24.480 Declining marriage rates, declining fertility rates, and then a disordered mess.

01:09:28.240 So, I keep on going back to that word disordered.

01:09:30.240 And it's a very important word.

01:09:31.720 We could use chaotic or we could use bedlam.

01:09:33.580 But that is what young people are feeling.

01:09:35.920 They can't always put it into words, but they're like, Trump, MAGA hat, something's wrong.

01:09:40.300 Let's go to the Charlie Kirk event.

01:09:41.660 And they're trying to like piece this all because they know something is just so off.

01:09:45.560 They're like, women don't want to date me and I don't want to date them.

01:09:48.600 And everything's expensive.

01:09:50.600 And what's going on here?

01:09:52.340 So, the task in front of us as conservatives, and we're perfectly positioned for this because

01:09:56.520 we're not people of the left.

01:09:58.060 We don't seek the destroyer to burn.

01:09:59.560 We're arsonists.

01:10:00.500 It's to kind of reorder this, put it back together to say, okay, how do we go wrong?

01:10:06.820 Too much emphasis on pink color.

01:10:08.840 So, Larry Fink, who I'm not a fan of at all, from BlackRock, he said something very interesting

01:10:14.600 that no one decided in the mainstream media to cover.

01:10:17.360 He said, there's an urgent need right now for 500,000 electricians.

01:10:22.640 500,000 electricians.

01:10:23.860 So, here's a guy, the $10 trillion man.

01:10:25.680 He's one of the largest funds he controls.

01:10:28.260 By the way, he's also purchasing single family homes, which are pricing families out of buying

01:10:31.900 homes.

01:10:32.380 We're going to get into that, I think, in a second, which I want to talk about.

01:10:35.000 But here he's saying that there's a need for 500,000 non-college educated jobs.

01:10:39.420 You're trying to tell me that we don't need more sociologists?

01:10:42.240 We don't need more communication majors?

01:10:44.520 And then how-

01:10:44.900 What about media studies?

01:10:45.940 Yeah, exactly.

01:10:46.520 Media studies or North African lesbian poetry.

01:10:49.620 And so, we peel back this a little bit.

01:10:52.320 We realize that one of the other reasons why men are being checked out of this whole system

01:10:59.080 is that parents and the whole momentum behind young men have pushed them into a feminized

01:11:08.420 system when in reality, it would have been better for them to just not go to college in

01:11:12.760 the first place and pursue just normal blue-collar trades, of which we have the greatest deficit

01:11:17.260 in our country.

01:11:18.200 But it goes, that part is all, it's very, this is not economics as much as it is social

01:11:23.040 status.

01:11:23.700 And you said this on your show once.

01:11:25.120 It was a one-sentence thing I'll never forget.

01:11:27.100 And I've repeated it like a hundred times.

01:11:30.040 Upper-middle-class suburban parents do not want to tell their friends their kids are working

01:11:34.000 construction.

01:11:35.040 Yeah.

01:11:35.220 I don't know if you even remember saying that, but-

01:11:37.900 No, but I've seen, I was forced to work construction by my father as a child, and it totally changed

01:11:43.380 my life and my outlook on everything.

01:11:45.080 And I made lifelong friendships, literally lifelong.

01:11:47.400 And, um, and I remember I didn't force my own kids to work construction, to be honest.

01:11:53.420 It's not even a matter of forcing-

01:11:54.400 Because society changed so much.

01:11:55.860 Yeah, but it's almost-

01:11:57.040 When you destroyed the white working class, which they did on purpose because they hate

01:12:00.160 them above all for some reason, when you destroy the white working class, then you have immigrants

01:12:04.740 running everything at the bottom.

01:12:06.260 And I'm not against immigrants.

01:12:07.980 I like them actually, but I'm not going to send my kids to work on a drywall crew where

01:12:12.760 they're the only English speakers.

01:12:13.920 So there's actually, it cuts off that whole, I worked in a factory, I worked at a gas station,

01:12:19.260 I was a dishwasher in a restaurant, I worked construction.

01:12:21.880 That's what I did in the summer for high school and college.

01:12:24.520 And I was from a rich family, but that, that they made me do that.

01:12:27.460 And it totally changed my life.

01:12:29.200 And, but I wasn't unusual in that.

01:12:31.520 I hitchhiked, they made me hitchhike too.

01:12:34.020 My parents did.

01:12:35.080 And that was pretty normal.

01:12:37.180 And it wasn't that long, those were the 80s.

01:12:39.000 Now you can't do that because no one else working those jobs has anything in common

01:12:45.920 with your children.

01:12:46.800 That's right.

01:12:47.400 They're not from here.

01:12:48.260 They're strangers.

01:12:49.180 Exactly.

01:12:50.720 And on top of that, there is a belief by upper middle class America that that's, those are

01:12:57.140 the dirtier lower class jobs.

01:12:58.960 Don't.

01:12:59.100 A hundred percent.

01:13:00.060 Don't do that.

01:13:00.820 They don't even speak English.

01:13:02.780 So it's like not even a thing.

01:13:05.240 It's a barrier to entry.

01:13:05.820 Have to send your kid to work at a clothing store in Martha's Vineyard, because if you

01:13:10.460 want to work, I'm serious.

01:13:11.440 If you want a working class job, what, what else is there?

01:13:14.380 Do you know what I mean?

01:13:15.100 I know exactly what.

01:13:15.800 When I worked in a kitchen in 1985, everybody in the kitchen had a criminal record.

01:13:19.940 Every single one.

01:13:21.620 But of course, every dishwasher has been to prison for something, right?

01:13:26.020 But they were all Americans and they all spoke English and you'd like take a cigarette

01:13:29.000 break with them and you could like talk to them.

01:13:30.720 And they were part of your country and your culture.

01:13:33.060 They were at the lower end.

01:13:33.960 I'm from La Jolla, California.

01:13:35.120 I'm with this guy, you know, he's got tattoos on his neck and he's done 15 years or something

01:13:39.460 awful.

01:13:39.980 But like he was recognizable as an American.

01:13:42.820 I'm not going to send my kids to a kitchen now.

01:13:44.620 I'm sure they're better.

01:13:45.340 I'm sure the Hondurans are better people than the people I work with, but they're not Americans.

01:13:48.880 That's right.

01:13:50.240 And so what does all this mean?

01:13:54.800 If if these young men stay lost and they came out in huge numbers to vote for President

01:13:59.200 Trump and we don't give them purpose, the civilization will collapse.

01:14:02.600 You cannot have a generation of young men just check out.

01:14:06.800 So when Biden says the number one threat are straight white men, which he said about a

01:14:10.920 million times, or what are the white nationalism or Christian nationalists?

01:14:14.240 He's talking about young white men.

01:14:16.300 That's what he's talking about.

01:14:17.280 He's talking about me and the young men I represent.

01:14:19.360 Bingo.

01:14:19.940 Those are just dumb euphemisms.

01:14:21.540 This is one of the reasons why.

01:14:23.440 But he's afraid of them.

01:14:24.840 Of course.

01:14:25.240 Of course.

01:14:25.740 I get it.

01:14:26.500 I get it.

01:14:27.060 Again, I hate this racialization stuff, but it's true.

01:14:29.000 They force the racialization card for the record.

01:14:31.640 Of course.

01:14:32.040 I don't look at people in terms of skin color, but when they start categorizing me and the

01:14:37.260 young men that show up to my events as toxic because they breathe, you force the race card.

01:14:42.260 So but the power of young white men in this country, if they were motivated and purposeful,

01:14:47.800 yeah, young white men helped us win a world war and get to the moon and split the atom.

01:14:52.120 But you better give them weed and fentanyl and benzodiazepines and draft kings and porn

01:14:58.720 just to kind of disable them so they don't rise up and eat you.

01:15:02.580 That's what I would do.

01:15:03.460 I'm just saying, like, if I were in charge of society, I'd be like, holy shit, I'm afraid

01:15:06.700 of these guys.

01:15:07.340 You're so right.

01:15:08.000 And I try to.

01:15:08.520 So I listen to your show all the time, Tucker.

01:15:10.380 Sorry.

01:15:10.700 When you say stuff like that, I try to challenge it.

01:15:12.760 I'm like, is it really a centralized conspiracy?

01:15:14.780 I'm like, no, it's a conspiracy of instinct.

01:15:16.640 But then I'm like, I got nothing.

01:15:17.900 I'm like, yeah, but it's like, you know, if you were trying to make the most, by the

01:15:23.160 way, if you look at just the genetics of it, like I'm Scots-Irish, I'm like very disagreeable,

01:15:28.060 boundary pushing, you know, like rebellious.

01:15:31.160 I know my genetic type.

01:15:32.840 And by the way, genetics matter.

01:15:34.040 We should talk about genetics more.

01:15:35.260 It's not racist to say that.

01:15:36.820 So my genetics come from all the way, you know, from Scotland, from the Maxwell clan,

01:15:41.140 you know, fought alongside William Wallace.

01:15:42.880 But if you took, if you want to like kind of calm down that kind of Appalachia fighting spirit,

01:15:48.580 man, you would do what you're doing right now.

01:15:49.920 It's a Protestant spirit.

01:15:50.920 I mean, let's just get, let's just get, let's just get really honest about it.

01:15:53.880 It's the people who found in the country were Protestants.

01:15:55.480 I'm as pro-Catholic as anyone could be.

01:15:57.300 My best friends are Catholic.

01:15:58.320 I'm Calvinist too.

01:15:59.140 Not against Catholics at all.

01:16:00.180 I love Catholics.

01:16:01.140 However, this country was founded by Protestants because they think for themselves.

01:16:04.340 And they're the legacy, you know, they're the heirs of Martin Luther who took on,

01:16:07.240 you know, the ancient, the 1500 year old church by himself.

01:16:10.400 Totally.

01:16:11.200 You know, they are people who believe they communicate directly with God, that their conscience

01:16:15.020 is more important than federal law.

01:16:17.680 And they're really hard to deal with.

01:16:19.900 And so you have to destroy them first.

01:16:22.660 And they did.

01:16:24.180 Well, they're not done yet.

01:16:25.200 There's still a lot.

01:16:26.260 And that's.

01:16:26.960 Well, I know some.

01:16:27.980 I am one.

01:16:28.760 And, but by the way, even the young men that are currently lost,

01:16:31.360 let's bring them back in.

01:16:32.680 And that's what I'm saying.

01:16:33.620 You can shed your addiction.

01:16:35.360 You can give your life to Jesus.

01:16:36.460 You can get your aim figured out.

01:16:38.740 You can reorient your purpose.

01:16:40.700 Again, Larry Fink is getting to something deeper.

01:16:42.680 There's actually going to be a massive blue collar need for all this AI stuff or whatever.

01:16:47.120 Well, just import it.

01:16:48.120 Well, that's the kicker.

01:16:49.240 So that's where everyone.

01:16:50.180 I refuse to accept the premise that we need a bunch of H1B workers and a bunch of foreigners.

01:16:56.440 Meanwhile, the men of this country are withering away in a basement because they've been told

01:17:00.460 they're toxic and terrible their entire life.

01:17:03.260 And so anyway, I feel I feel a moral obligation to fight for the young men that show up to my event.

01:17:08.920 And you could tell they're battered down.

01:17:11.220 I mean, they've been, they've just been so suppressed by either the HR department or the,

01:17:16.080 the pronoun policing or the hyper feminization of their classroom.

01:17:20.080 And they're like, I'm done.

01:17:21.200 I'm not doing this.

01:17:22.200 I'm going to go play video games.

01:17:23.320 I'm going to check out.

01:17:24.400 And is that the right move?

01:17:25.640 No, they should not do that.

01:17:26.900 They should do what, you know, you and I do and get your life together.

01:17:29.620 Don't be a victim.

01:17:30.200 But they do it because you, you beat down a group of people so much over so long period of time.

01:17:36.100 They're going to exit.

01:17:37.200 But they're going to cash out.

01:17:38.380 We've just been trained to blame them though.

01:17:40.160 It's so wild.

01:17:41.280 In all of our silence too.

01:17:42.380 And I find it, and I find it also, I don't think a conversation has pissed me off as much

01:17:48.400 as this one that I can remember.

01:17:50.000 Well, I hope I'm not pissing you off.

01:17:51.200 No, you're, you're just, what you're saying is true.

01:17:53.500 And that's why it's upsetting me.

01:17:55.560 But I'll even say that about black people.

01:17:57.560 I mean, I didn't grow up in a black neighborhood.

01:17:59.440 I have a few black friends, a couple of good black friends, but I'm not like the voice of black America.

01:18:04.160 So it was easier for me to like blame, 100% blame black people for all the huge problems,

01:18:11.220 like the overwhelming problems of black America.

01:18:13.680 But now I'm like, you know, and that's, to some extent, fair.

01:18:16.680 I'm for blaming the victim sometimes.

01:18:18.660 But I'm also for acknowledging that there are other forces and like economic forces really

01:18:24.600 do matter as noted before.

01:18:26.760 And I just think it's so interesting in the, the, the people I know and grew up around with

01:18:31.500 politically, like they will never mention how this happened in the first place.

01:18:37.760 They'll never blame the company.

01:18:38.840 I don't know how we got to this place.

01:18:41.180 We have to defend the company.

01:18:42.580 I've worked for companies.

01:18:43.640 They're horrible.

01:18:44.560 They're anti-Christian.

01:18:45.580 They're anti-human.

01:18:46.560 They're greedy.

01:18:47.880 And, you know, they provide, they paid my kids tuition all those years.

01:18:50.960 I'm grateful and all that, but they're morally neutral at best, at best.

01:18:56.080 So why are we defending them?

01:18:57.520 I don't get that.

01:18:58.400 Well, and at the very least, again, because we, you know, wealth is important.

01:19:02.860 We don't want to be a third world country, right?

01:19:04.680 No, I'm for wealth.

01:19:05.400 No, of course we want, we don't want to be poor.

01:19:07.080 That's the, that should be like the operative, don't be poor.

01:19:09.780 Yeah.

01:19:09.900 But at the very least, we shouldn't have a gut instinct to defend them.

01:19:12.980 Like we, we defend companies as if we're defending our children.

01:19:15.880 No, they did nothing wrong.

01:19:17.020 That's so true.

01:19:18.480 Harry did nothing wrong.

01:19:19.540 Or, you know, it's as if like, you don't even know any of the facts and immediately you're

01:19:23.020 on ExxonMobil's side.

01:19:24.380 I never even defend my own kids that way.

01:19:26.680 Immediately you're on NVIDIA's side.

01:19:28.820 I totally agree.

01:19:30.440 It's like, wait, let's, at least let's have a presentation of what's happened here.

01:19:34.440 And how did that, you're so much younger than I am, but you seem to have paid closer attention

01:19:42.440 than I have or been onto this more than I am.

01:19:45.940 How did that happen?

01:19:47.700 I think it's a philosophical inheritance from the Rockefeller Romney takeover of the Republican

01:19:53.180 party many years ago, well before I was born.

01:19:56.100 Yeah, that's my best guess is that this, there was this anti-Soviet, anti-communist, anti-Marxist

01:20:04.160 belief that was, you know, kind of the connective tissue of what was Reagan's rise in the 80s.

01:20:11.540 And therefore, again, we exist on these ridiculous binaries at times, which is fine.

01:20:16.280 Some things are binary, like sex is binary, male, female.

01:20:19.260 Other things are not, which is there's a lot of steps in between like anarcho-capitalism

01:20:24.580 and like oligarchy-run capitalism, which is what we have right now.

01:20:27.300 We have oligarchy-run capitalism and Marxism.

01:20:30.880 There's a lot of steps on the continuum from oligarchy-run capitalism to that.

01:20:36.120 And so, but also we, if you look at the tax code, if you look at the whole configuration

01:20:41.920 of the current system, which again, credit to President Trump for finally putting a working

01:20:46.340 class tax cut, no tax on tips and no tax on overtime, finally workers get something.

01:20:51.660 But the whole configuration of the tax code is really rigged towards the big incumbent actors

01:20:57.700 and the top 1% or the Pareto principle.

01:21:01.240 I know I sound like a left-wing Elizabeth Warren person.

01:21:03.700 Who cares?

01:21:04.060 I don't care.

01:21:05.140 Describe the problem.

01:21:06.240 It needs a remedy.

01:21:07.500 But here, again, let me just kind of complete, you know, the problem should not be how are we

01:21:12.020 going to get the 1% to flourish?

01:21:13.720 We shouldn't penalize them.

01:21:14.720 But the question should be, how do we get the bottom 50% to have a little bit better

01:21:20.600 life and their kids to have a much better life and their grandkids to have an even better

01:21:24.260 life than that?

01:21:25.140 That's the American project, is intergenerational wealth building, is that you're going to

01:21:30.440 sacrifice a little bit, your kids will be better off.

01:21:32.820 And this is the kicker.

01:21:34.220 Why is it that these students are showing up in massive numbers to my events?

01:21:37.260 Why do they vote for Trump?

01:21:38.400 This is a fact.

01:21:39.200 It is the first time since George Washington that this generation has it worse off than their

01:21:43.900 parents at the same age.

01:21:45.440 It has not happened.

01:21:46.440 Not even during the Great Depression.

01:21:47.960 It's about the same.

01:21:49.780 This generation is significantly worse off.

01:21:53.100 And the problem, this is what no one mentions.

01:21:56.240 We're not poorer.

01:21:58.460 So you look at all these problems, you would think, like if you're from Mars and you're like

01:22:01.480 looking at all these numbers, you would think that the country's gone through like an economic

01:22:05.400 tailspin the last 15 years.

01:22:07.600 Like, okay, your young people can't afford homes and they're putting groceries on credit

01:22:11.380 and they're killing themselves and they're socially isolated and they're addicted to

01:22:14.520 benzodiazepines and Zoloft.

01:22:16.160 It's obvious you guys went through like a terrible economic catastrophe.

01:22:19.420 You lost the war.

01:22:20.400 Yeah.

01:22:21.320 No, the stock market's at record highs.

01:22:23.620 Our companies are more valuable than ever.

01:22:25.920 So wait, we've solved the tough stuff.

01:22:28.180 We know how to create wealth, but we don't know how to create it for the generation that

01:22:32.560 needs it most.

01:22:33.780 If you look at the economic conditions, you would think the other conditions surrounding

01:22:37.300 it are like abject poverty.

01:22:39.300 These are the problems that like third world nations have.

01:22:41.840 I know.

01:22:42.160 Our young people can't afford stuff and they have to finance their basic necessities.

01:22:46.340 And yet we're the wealthiest nation in the history of the world on the planet.

01:22:49.440 We have a $37 trillion GDP.

01:22:51.760 We have the greatest companies and we have all this stuff to brag about.

01:22:54.420 And yet all of our problems would beg the question.

01:22:59.200 And it's like this inherent contradiction.

01:23:01.080 We're super wealthy on one side, like a powerhouse juggernaut.

01:23:04.520 And we are like an economic nightmare on the other side.

01:23:08.660 How did that happen?

01:23:09.580 Answer.

01:23:10.580 The wealth went to older people at the expense of the next generation.

01:23:16.240 That's for sure.

01:23:16.820 Every single economic growth decision of the last 30 years has been made.

01:23:21.480 And I am going to benefit.

01:23:23.360 My baby boomer generation is going to benefit.

01:23:25.680 And I don't care if it hurts young people.

01:23:27.420 And I'm not anti-boomer.

01:23:28.760 I get negative hate mail all the time because the boomers are super protective of their generation

01:23:32.220 as if I'm like attacking Presbyterians or something.

01:23:34.940 They're repulsive.

01:23:36.240 They've always been repulsive.

01:23:38.120 And I grew up in a world I was born in 1969.

01:23:40.880 The baby boom ended in 1965.

01:23:42.720 So it was 65 or 64, whatever.

01:23:45.760 It was just the post-war generation ended mid-60s.

01:23:48.120 I'm not a boomer.

01:23:49.160 Thank heaven.

01:23:49.800 My father was not a boomer.

01:23:50.720 He was born in 1941.

01:23:52.020 Totally different attitudes, right?

01:23:53.980 He was born before the Second World War, our entry into it.

01:23:57.040 I was educated by them.

01:23:59.060 They were my teachers.

01:24:00.660 And they were the worst, the dumbest, most narcissistic, the shallowest.

01:24:06.560 Every sentence had like nine cliches in it.

01:24:08.540 They were all at Woodstock.

01:24:09.720 They remembered when Kennedy was shot.

01:24:10.940 It was the day the music died.

01:24:11.840 Like everything they said was like the Don McLean tune.

01:24:15.800 It didn't make sense.

01:24:16.960 It was just a series of evocative cliches strung together to create a feeling.

01:24:21.240 They were idiots.

01:24:22.740 But above all, they were about themselves.

01:24:24.700 I hated them then.

01:24:26.060 I hate them now.

01:24:27.460 In fourth grade, I remember saying to a buddy of mine, I hate these people.

01:24:32.060 Our math teacher just told us, I was at Woodstock.

01:24:34.500 I was like, how many fucking people were at Woodstock?

01:24:36.480 Like everyone in America was at Woodstock?

01:24:38.280 I thought it was 300,000 people.

01:24:39.400 It was like it was, they're the worst.

01:24:42.120 They're the ones who lecture us about the civil rights movement for 40 years as the actual

01:24:46.800 supposed beneficiaries of the civil rights movement, black people, declined.

01:24:51.780 They didn't care.

01:24:53.200 They were only about feeling good about themselves.

01:24:55.780 The only good thing they produced was like the music of 1972.

01:25:00.900 Other than that, horrible people, horrible.

01:25:05.400 Sorry.

01:25:06.380 Well, and so, yes.

01:25:09.360 So, I grew up with them.

01:25:13.220 That's okay.

01:25:13.540 Everyone can email Tucker your hate mail when it comes to the boomer hate.

01:25:16.680 And by the way, if you are a baby boomer, take some responsibility for what you participated in.

01:25:21.700 That is the kicker.

01:25:23.200 That's what I will say.

01:25:24.280 You guys have had it great.

01:25:25.740 You've had the greatest run.

01:25:27.240 You've had what either Eric Weinstein would call the ego, the embedded growth obligation,

01:25:32.940 right?

01:25:33.140 Ego, meaning things just keep getting better.

01:25:35.020 The market goes up.

01:25:35.840 Your house gets more valuable.

01:25:36.860 And you guys are trying to squeeze the last of a lemon.

01:25:40.280 And you are leaving a crummy, unrecognizable serfdom in your wake.

01:25:45.780 Of course they are.

01:25:46.660 And that is, it's bad for you.

01:25:50.000 It's bad for your legacy.

01:25:51.100 It's bad for your nation.

01:25:52.200 They're the ones who went right from protesting the Vietnam War to like making all this money

01:25:55.640 on Wall Street.

01:25:57.200 Remember Jerry Rubin was a yippee.

01:25:58.580 I mean, this is before you were around.

01:26:00.100 But like.

01:26:00.240 John Kerry went from, you know.

01:26:01.760 Totally.

01:26:02.380 It's the whole thing.

01:26:03.380 It was all live action role playing rebellion.

01:26:06.140 It's LARPing is what it was.

01:26:07.600 I would just exclude anyone born between 1946 and 1964 from ever holding any office.

01:26:12.940 And I know a lot of them, I'm sure they're nice people or whatever.

01:26:16.320 We like Trump.

01:26:16.640 But your generation.

01:26:17.500 Oh, I forgot.

01:26:18.040 The whole generation is just rotten.

01:26:21.080 But let's extrapolate one part of it, which is that it's definitely that generation has not

01:26:27.400 had a regard for leaving an economic.

01:26:29.720 They don't care about anyone but themselves.

01:26:31.480 That's the whole point.

01:26:32.160 So if you employ that belief into fiscal policy and monetary policy, this is what you get.

01:26:38.760 An intergenerational war.

01:26:40.440 Yeah, they're grandchildren who they don't care about.

01:26:42.260 Yes, and so what I'm trying.

01:26:43.300 Because they're on John's Island.

01:26:44.940 Or wherever they are, right?

01:26:46.780 They're on John's Island, but whatever.

01:26:48.400 Well, yeah.

01:26:48.780 And amongst other places.

01:26:49.740 No, I like John's Island.

01:26:51.020 I'm just saying they're in retirement.

01:26:54.040 Yes.

01:26:54.500 And they're kind of psyched with what they have.

01:26:56.860 And their stocks keep on going up.

01:26:58.240 Yeah, and their grandson, Dylan, is like totally zoned out on prescription drugs and they don't

01:27:02.980 really care.

01:27:04.260 Right.

01:27:04.760 And but or if they are to impart some wisdom, it's, you know, when I was your age, we worked

01:27:11.000 two jobs and I was able to put myself through college and we worked really hard.

01:27:14.780 And I'm telling you.

01:27:15.700 Selfish people.

01:27:16.380 This is there are there lazy people in Gen Z, of course.

01:27:20.480 But honestly, the majority of young people I come in contact with, they're working their

01:27:24.300 tail off.

01:27:25.600 This is not a stereotypical lazy generation.

01:27:29.140 I'm sorry.

01:27:29.920 Like they're no lazier than some of the people I've seen in prior generations.

01:27:33.120 But if you give young men.

01:27:33.680 I will die on that hill.

01:27:34.680 I'll defend this generation.

01:27:35.980 I mean, but young girls, I've got a lot of them like they're always buzzing around doing

01:27:40.560 something.

01:27:41.180 They're just self-directed.

01:27:42.500 But young men, I think that's why everyone likes to hire women because they're self-directed.

01:27:47.760 You give them a task, they'll do the task.

01:27:48.840 They're micro.

01:27:49.780 A hundred percent.

01:27:50.440 Women are the best micro.

01:27:51.440 They're amazing at it.

01:27:51.820 And look what the scriptures tell us.

01:27:53.780 And this is a very interesting thing.

01:27:55.180 What did God say?

01:27:56.140 He said, it's not good for man to be alone.

01:27:58.260 Exactly.

01:27:58.840 But he wasn't alone.

01:27:59.880 He had God.

01:28:01.620 What he was saying is that it's not good for man to be without a woman.

01:28:04.720 Of course.

01:28:05.440 So it's not enough for man just to have God.

01:28:07.300 And some people don't like this teaching, but it's true.

01:28:09.340 Adam had God.

01:28:10.100 He had a relationship with God.

01:28:11.000 But if you look at almost every third world country where men don't feel that they are

01:28:16.180 able to have economic prosperity or any romantic future, you get either revolution, gang violence,

01:28:21.840 or complete disconnect.

01:28:23.680 Or suicide.

01:28:24.320 Or suicide, which is what we have, right?

01:28:25.720 So it's the most suicidal generation in history.

01:28:27.760 Now, I don't want to paint like a totally negative picture because there is one really

01:28:31.900 good trend.

01:28:32.660 And it's not because of baby boomers.

01:28:34.340 And it's not because of our leaders.

01:28:36.220 I guess that.

01:28:37.400 Well, no, it's men, young men are going back to church.

01:28:39.780 That is legit.

01:28:40.560 That's happening because honestly, it's the only thing that they can find.

01:28:44.340 It's a life raft in this just tsunami of chaos and disorder.

01:28:49.940 So I get asked all the time, well, why are they going to the Catholic church?

01:28:52.340 Why are they going to Orthodox church more than the evangelical church?

01:28:54.640 And I'm evangelical.

01:28:55.600 I'll say, well, first of all, they want something that has lasted.

01:28:58.380 They want something that is ancient and that is beautiful.

01:29:00.840 Something that has stood the test of time.

01:29:02.360 Something that's not going to change.

01:29:03.660 Something that's all of a sudden not going to all of a sudden just flip around and have

01:29:06.820 some sort of transgender story hour.

01:29:11.200 So that's a really positive trend in the midst of all this.

01:29:14.620 So that's my great hope is the spiritual hope that the young men that are lost, and if any

01:29:18.980 young man is listening to this right now, stop watching porn.

01:29:22.640 Stop smoking weed.

01:29:24.120 Stop drinking endlessly.

01:29:25.860 Find yourself back to church.

01:29:27.120 That will reorient your life.

01:29:28.380 I agree.

01:29:28.720 And do what the church tells you to do, right?

01:29:31.220 Find a woman, marry her, provide, have more kids than you can afford.

01:29:35.620 That's my advice for young men.

01:29:37.160 Yes.

01:29:37.440 Don't play the victim.

01:29:38.280 Even though you legitimately can play the victim card on everything we've said.

01:29:41.280 I agree.

01:29:41.700 The mindset of a victim is parasitic to your soul.

01:29:45.080 I completely agree.

01:29:46.420 I completely agree.

01:29:48.020 And you shouldn't whine.

01:29:49.460 You shouldn't whine.

01:29:50.680 Whining is bad.

01:29:51.700 That's our job.

01:29:52.740 And just to be clear, so people say, but Charlie, you talk about this a lot from a whining

01:29:56.100 standpoint.

01:29:56.480 No, what I'm doing is I'm communicating to a very specific audience of people in charge

01:30:02.340 that are ignoring this, and they are ignoring what's coming next.

01:30:06.460 And that's the whole context of this conversation.

01:30:08.940 So I agree with you.

01:30:10.680 I mean, I really hope that people are listening to you, people in charge.

01:30:17.220 Thank you.

01:30:17.540 I mean, the president does to his great credit.

01:30:19.800 It seems obvious that everything you've said is true.

01:30:22.580 And I just want to say for the ninth time, I really hope members of Congress will listen

01:30:27.680 to what you're saying.

01:30:29.000 I think it's the most important thing right now.

01:30:31.680 Because we are in the last stages of what we had, and we're moving towards something

01:30:35.980 new.

01:30:37.900 This isn't working, and it's not working for the people it has to work for, which is

01:30:41.600 the next generation.

01:30:42.600 They're specifically the ones being hurt.

01:30:45.120 And so there are going to be big, big, big changes.

01:30:47.700 And people will be punished for what we're going through right now.

01:30:49.720 There's no question about it, either from the right or from the left.

01:30:52.420 And my concern is not preventing them from being punished.

01:30:54.720 It's making sure the right people are punished.

01:30:56.780 It always, it feels to me like the greatest injustice is when, you know, we've solved the

01:31:01.920 crime, but we executed the wrong guy.

01:31:03.720 Right.

01:31:04.120 And I just want to make certain that the predators are punished, the people taking advantage of

01:31:09.120 desperate young people, the people who are, you know, getting rich from payday loans and

01:31:14.580 from, you know, buy now, pay later for your pizza schemes.

01:31:18.720 Like those people should be crushed and not, you know, hardworking people.

01:31:23.680 How do you, how do you make sure that punishment is allocated justly?

01:31:27.400 Yeah.

01:31:27.520 Well, first, this is why the right needs to administer it because we would pursue justice

01:31:31.260 where the left would probably pursue revenge.

01:31:33.160 Exactly.

01:31:33.620 And revenge is bad.

01:31:34.820 Exactly.

01:31:35.340 So good.

01:31:36.560 So, but first, secondly, I would, I hope you're right.

01:31:40.120 I hope that the people that are doing bad here, which is plenty, will be held accountable.

01:31:44.780 But there's no guarantee.

01:31:45.700 No one went to jail after 2008.

01:31:47.840 And I think that was a stain on our nation.

01:31:49.660 I mean, I remember my family having to metaphorically and literally downsize after the 2008 financial

01:31:55.980 crisis.

01:31:56.480 I mean, that was a real turning point, if you will.

01:31:59.560 I had to sell my house.

01:32:00.780 Yeah.

01:32:00.980 And we didn't, praise God, but I remember like we didn't go out to eat for like six months.

01:32:04.900 Like it was like a real trimming.

01:32:07.420 And no one.

01:32:08.440 And you, you remember that.

01:32:09.980 Did you connect?

01:32:10.340 Vividly.

01:32:10.680 I was a freshman in high school.

01:32:11.940 And so you connected what was happening to your family to larger economic forces.

01:32:15.060 And a lot of millennials, which I'm a millennial, I'm the younger end of millennial.

01:32:19.440 I'm almost Gen Z, has a very similar stories as to mine, where they saw their parents have

01:32:25.920 to downsize, trim vacations, you know, cancel luxury items because of macroeconomic events.

01:32:32.380 And I think it's still to this day a stain on our nation that no one went to jail for what

01:32:36.020 happened in 2008.

01:32:37.380 None of the bankers, none of the people were held accountable.

01:32:40.580 And there's a lot that went into that.

01:32:42.080 The federal government was heavily involved, but we did the worst possible thing, which

01:32:46.720 is we actually created and we codified the bad behavior by making the incumbent Wall

01:32:51.660 Street banks even more powerful through Dodd-Frank.

01:32:53.780 So it's harder for small and community banks to compete.

01:32:56.380 And then we flooded the zone with cheap money.

01:32:57.880 We went to basically zero interest rates, which then depreciated the dollar, which only

01:33:02.620 hurt the next generation even more.

01:33:05.020 So look, I would have liked to have seen, and it's too late now, the statute of limitations

01:33:08.080 is well passed, like perp walks for people that helped wreck the economy back

01:33:11.940 in 2008 and 2009 because there was plenty of material there.

01:33:15.080 So there's no guarantee that justice is coming.

01:33:17.520 But I think this is different.

01:33:18.560 I think this is far different because remember what I said early on in 2008, the average first

01:33:23.700 time home buyer was 30 years old.

01:33:25.220 Now it's 38.

01:33:26.760 In 2008, you could have bought Apple stock for six bucks, eight bucks.

01:33:31.760 Now it's like 180, $200 a share or something.

01:33:34.320 I mean, asset prices have ballooned so dramatically.

01:33:37.460 And young people are so priced out of the entry point, let alone the completion point of the

01:33:43.200 American dream, that I think you're right, that there will either be, this could be two

01:33:48.960 ways.

01:33:49.120 This is kind of a, this will be a sloppy way to say it, but it can either be a stormy

01:33:54.020 of the Bastille or Nuremberg.

01:33:56.140 And Nuremberg is like orderly.

01:33:57.840 And at least there's some sort of like, you know, justice component.

01:34:01.300 With a Soviet judge in charge.

01:34:02.520 Well, sure.

01:34:03.300 I mean, it's not a perfect example, but-

01:34:07.820 The guy who did the Stalin show trials, you put him in charge.

01:34:09.760 Yeah, it's not perfect, but at least there is some, at least there was a pageantry to

01:34:14.320 it that we're trying to pursue justice.

01:34:16.540 I don't want revolution.

01:34:18.220 My whole temperament is anti-revolution.

01:34:20.560 And so-

01:34:20.960 No, that's such a smart point.

01:34:22.020 Any legal proceeding is flawed.

01:34:24.240 I don't think you should put a Soviet judge in charge, but I think any judge is just a

01:34:28.200 man or person and you're not going to get absolute justice in this life.

01:34:33.400 That is absolutely right.

01:34:34.100 But it needs to be, I think that's the key point.

01:34:36.280 It needs to be orderly.

01:34:37.400 Yes.

01:34:38.040 And sensible and explain to the public, there's a reason for this.

01:34:42.600 So another one is, I mean, again, one that we haven't even touched on is, are we ever,

01:34:48.120 I think Trump is actually doing a great job of this, holding these colleges accountable,

01:34:51.100 but is someone going to finally have to be on the hook for the amount of student loan

01:34:55.320 debt this generation has?

01:34:56.420 Can we seize and raid the endowments?

01:34:58.720 I mean, these colleges are hedge funds with schools attached.

01:35:02.220 They're growing their endowments by hundreds percent and their enrollment by like three to

01:35:06.300 four percent.

01:35:07.620 So their endowment is exploding and their enrollments are barely exploding, not to mention

01:35:11.160 all the other problems embedded there.

01:35:13.160 It's the medieval church.

01:35:14.520 It needs reform.

01:35:15.360 Yeah.

01:35:15.560 And so I, again, I'm not here presenting all the solutions.

01:35:18.320 Smarter people than me can kind of come through with a buffet line of solutions.

01:35:22.280 My biggest contention is why is no one even admitting this is a problem?

01:35:25.840 And that's what's so bizarre.

01:35:27.940 And what is that?

01:35:28.880 So we began on that question.

01:35:30.580 I don't know the answer.

01:35:31.420 What's your guess?

01:35:32.180 Again, I'm not doing one of those things where I like I ask the question rhetorically.

01:35:35.800 I have guesses.

01:35:36.860 The first of which is that it's so bad they're just ignoring it.

01:35:39.780 And I really think that's part of it, which is that Congress is so filled with septuagenarians

01:35:45.120 and octogenarians that it's so distant from their purview.

01:35:48.500 They're way too concerned to send more money to Ukraine or whatever their, you know, their

01:35:52.920 primary priority is that kind of representing the next generation, like, oh, those kids will

01:35:58.540 kind of sort their way out.

01:35:59.600 We had it tough, too, which they didn't compared to what this generation has to go through.

01:36:04.940 But secondly, I also think that they're the left will eventually wake up to this.

01:36:09.400 I'm telling you, they're they're all they're all a mess right now.

01:36:12.680 They don't know which way they're going, but the Mamdani thing is a little bit of a

01:36:16.580 little bit of a trial balloon.

01:36:18.520 They're like, wow, that's interesting.

01:36:20.020 It's getting younger people interested and involved.

01:36:22.120 And just remember, like Bernie Sanders won the Democrat primary in 2016, and he won it

01:36:27.560 in 2020 if it wasn't for the covid lockdown.

01:36:30.980 The base of the Democrat Party has been yelling about economic anxiety for 10 years before it

01:36:35.860 was even nearly as bad as it is today.

01:36:38.260 You're right.

01:36:38.520 And so what we as conservatives need to be really concerned about a cautionary tale is

01:36:44.820 a Democrat candidate or politician that says everything I've just said, that runs on basically

01:36:51.120 resentment and bitter driven politics.

01:36:52.980 You own nothing because of these people.

01:36:55.400 Let's go take it.

01:36:56.960 And that's a little bit more sane on the trans stuff, the crime stuff and the border stuff.

01:37:00.900 It's exactly right.

01:37:01.960 And that's why I don't think Gavin Newsom has a real shot, because he's so transparently

01:37:07.700 a tool of the ruling class.

01:37:09.700 Totally.

01:37:10.780 AOC obviously wants to run.

01:37:13.560 She's dumb.

01:37:14.560 That makes her a better puppet for a kind of fake economic populism.

01:37:19.700 I mean, she's actually controlled by the banks and the neocons.

01:37:23.300 But I don't know.

01:37:26.580 She's if you had one, a candidate on the left who is even sort of genuine.

01:37:31.340 It's kind of like a Tim Walls who without the creepy personal life wasn't sending off

01:37:36.180 kid toucher vibes like he is.

01:37:38.500 I'm not accusing him of kid touching.

01:37:40.140 I'm just saying he sends off those vibes like there's an aura there that wouldn't have

01:37:43.000 dinner with him.

01:37:43.580 But if you had a slightly more normal person who was an economic populist, oh, my gosh.

01:37:52.880 That person would be emperor.

01:37:54.760 Well, I don't know about emperor.

01:37:55.820 And I don't even know if like, I don't know if they'll again, they're so off course on the

01:38:00.840 trans stuff, the border stuff.

01:38:01.700 No, I agree.

01:38:02.220 I totally agree.

01:38:02.860 And they're so married to those three things.

01:38:04.720 But just all those things back, something is going to come.

01:38:07.080 And I wonder if they're married to those things because because I have always sort of

01:38:10.840 wondered, like, what is that?

01:38:12.260 There's a lot at stake here.

01:38:13.260 This is running the world, OK?

01:38:14.740 So you don't just like decide trans rights are central to your platform by accident.

01:38:21.440 There's smart people thinking about this.

01:38:22.700 And I've always wondered, was that a way to tame?

01:38:26.100 Economic populism is the thing that the donors on both sides fear the most by far.

01:38:30.420 They need a little bit of it in order to stop the revolution from coming.

01:38:34.440 As you have said, you need a Teddy Roosevelt, actually.

01:38:37.160 Everybody needs it.

01:38:37.760 They're too greedy and stupid to realize that.

01:38:40.220 Short-sighted.

01:38:41.200 Exactly.

01:38:41.640 So, but I always have wondered, like, what was the trans thing?

01:38:45.900 Why?

01:38:46.320 If I'm running the Democratic Party, I'm a huge donor of the party.

01:38:48.880 I don't want, I may, you know, like the trans thing or whatever, but I don't want to put

01:38:54.280 that at the center of my platform because that's going to turn off all the normal people.

01:38:57.460 Like, I'm going to lose with that.

01:38:58.540 It's too bonkers.

01:38:59.500 Maybe that was inserted into the dialogue on the left.

01:39:05.840 But to really kind of stop the Sanders insurrection forever.

01:39:11.560 Yeah.

01:39:11.820 I mean, that's interesting.

01:39:12.700 I mean.

01:39:12.940 Or am I being too crazy?

01:39:13.960 No, I mean, I always.

01:39:16.020 Because Sanders is what they feared most.

01:39:18.300 Sanders.

01:39:19.600 Sanders would have given any candidate, including Trump, more of a run for his money in 2016.

01:39:24.060 I think Trump would have beat Sanders.

01:39:25.580 But like Sanders would have campaigned in Michigan.

01:39:27.300 Oh, big time.

01:39:28.280 Sanders would have campaigned in Wisconsin.

01:39:29.940 Oh, yeah.

01:39:30.260 And there's a lot of crossover of Bernie Sanders Trump.

01:39:33.140 Oh, yes.

01:39:33.600 Like that exists, right?

01:39:34.540 I mean, Sanders is a fraud or whatever you think of Bernie Sanders.

01:39:37.180 Of course he is, yes.

01:39:37.420 A total fraud.

01:39:38.660 However, a sincere Sanders, I think, would be unstoppable.

01:39:43.420 Yeah.

01:39:43.760 So, I'm less interested in the biography or the person of where the Democrat party is going.

01:39:50.460 I agree.

01:39:50.700 I'm much more interested in the movement that obviously is coming next.

01:39:54.920 It's just so, it is manifesting, it's bubbling up.

01:39:58.580 And so, we on the right, we should exist to de-radicalize, to create normalcy and order

01:40:05.520 and a regular America, the good America that you and I miss.

01:40:10.520 And so, as far as the trans stuff, look, there's a lot of theories on this.

01:40:14.600 Number one, I think that there's an element of the Democrat party that's into really creepy,

01:40:19.220 weird sex stuff that is-

01:40:21.240 And religious stuff.

01:40:22.220 Dark.

01:40:23.100 There is a religious element to the trans thing.

01:40:24.780 For sure.

01:40:25.580 Which is, I take dominion over my body.

01:40:27.380 Exactly.

01:40:27.760 I'm God.

01:40:28.160 Where, if you think about the Christian element, which is that we surrender our body to the

01:40:32.620 Almighty, our body is a temple, right?

01:40:35.220 God made us in His image.

01:40:37.100 Where the trans thing is, no, no, no, I make myself in my image.

01:40:40.760 It's diametrically against every one of the teachings of Christ and of those scriptures.

01:40:45.900 It's against the distinctions between what is holy and profane and what is good and evil.

01:40:50.820 Child and adult are blurred in the trans thing, male and female.

01:40:54.600 And also, I think that there's an irresistible temptation amongst the kind of dark base of

01:41:00.320 the Democrat party, which exists, that they just had to just hold on to this.

01:41:04.380 Because, again, it's the snake eating itself.

01:41:06.460 Progress knows those limits, right?

01:41:07.820 So, it goes from homosexual marriage to eventually gay adoption to then finally to transgenderism.

01:41:14.760 But I think you're getting onto something important.

01:41:17.360 From a corporate media standpoint, do I think that Pride Month is emphasized more for a reason?

01:41:23.040 Almost certainly.

01:41:24.560 Because I think it's a smokescreen grenade to make us kind of be unsure of where we're going

01:41:28.820 so no one actually talks about economic and wealth.

01:41:30.920 We don't have get-out-of-debt month, I notice.

01:41:33.400 No.

01:41:34.300 And if you want to be even more—

01:41:35.440 I don't think we're getting one, either.

01:41:37.460 If you want to be even more provocative, one of the 613 laws of Judaism and one of the

01:41:42.640 more beautiful teachings is called the Year of Jubilee, which is every 50 years is debt

01:41:47.820 abolition and basically the rectifying of your financial situation for the nation of Israel.

01:41:53.800 It was in law every 50 years.

01:41:55.920 Because the religion recognized, I think as all religions do, that debt is slavery.

01:41:59.520 Well, it says that in Proverbs 7.22, where it says basically, if you borrow money, you

01:42:07.020 are a slave to the lender.

01:42:09.080 Of course.

01:42:09.480 Repeated all throughout the Torah, all throughout the Old and New Testament.

01:42:13.200 And so now here we are in a modern context.

01:42:16.020 Again, a little bit of debt is justifiable, mortgage maybe.

01:42:19.340 But another one that we even touched on that is crushing people, Democrats are starting to

01:42:24.100 talk about this more, is medical debt.

01:42:26.360 Oh, it is crushing people.

01:42:27.580 They go to the ER for just, you know, a broken leg and they have a $7,000 bill and they are

01:42:32.680 just murdered by those bills for the rest of their life.

01:42:36.580 And so you have medical debt, you have credit card debt, you have personal debt, you have

01:42:40.220 student loan debt.

01:42:41.360 There's something kind of sad about the emphasis on healthcare too.

01:42:45.100 I'm all for healing.

01:42:46.180 I've been to the, you know, appendicitis, back surgery.

01:42:48.660 I mean, I've been saved by surgeons and I'm always, I am grateful.

01:42:51.800 However, if like the, the most important economic sector in a lot of parts of your country is

01:42:58.400 healthcare, what is that exactly?

01:43:02.500 Shouldn't you be focused on like producing life?

01:43:05.740 100%.

01:43:06.180 And not just like say, and I say this as a middle-aged person who's past the age of producing

01:43:10.360 life.

01:43:10.900 But I think like there's something, it lacks energy.

01:43:16.460 It's, it's too inward.

01:43:18.260 Like, oh, what about my healthcare?

01:43:20.400 Oh, shut up.

01:43:21.700 Oh, shut up.

01:43:22.580 It's also inherently bureaucratic.

01:43:24.160 No, but it's also like, shouldn't you be, I don't know.

01:43:27.420 I just, I'll tell you how I feel about my life.

01:43:29.000 It's like getting older, you know, probably going to get physically decrepit at some time

01:43:34.080 in the foreseeable future.

01:43:35.260 That's inevitable.

01:43:36.280 That's nature.

01:43:37.200 That's like, I have that in common with every person who's ever lived.

01:43:39.640 I will die.

01:43:41.080 And if you can't accept that, if you're a baby boomer and you think the point of living

01:43:45.740 is to go on vacation, which they do because they're selfish and stupid.

01:43:52.080 I don't know.

01:43:53.000 That's like, you're missing life.

01:43:54.580 Actually, the point of life is to produce new life and then help it thrive.

01:43:59.320 Yes.

01:44:00.080 There's an energy there.

01:44:01.820 Teddy Roosevelt died.

01:44:02.800 I think he was younger than I am now when he died.

01:44:06.280 Does anyone think Teddy Roosevelt didn't live a life?

01:44:08.420 He lived a very full life.

01:44:10.040 He lived a life.

01:44:11.100 And I don't think Teddy Roosevelt in his final moments is like, oh damn, I've been cheated.

01:44:15.560 You know, if only I could get to Barbados.

01:44:17.940 You know what I mean?

01:44:19.280 Yes.

01:44:19.680 Like there's something sad about everything is about maintaining an increasingly declining

01:44:24.700 quality of life.

01:44:25.560 Healthcare, healthcare, healthcare.

01:44:27.140 What about building something?

01:44:29.020 Yes.

01:44:29.300 Do you know what I mean?

01:44:29.860 Yes.

01:44:30.200 Am I, I'm not being very articulate.

01:44:32.180 I just hate it.

01:44:32.980 It's sad.

01:44:33.820 And it's all, if you look at, yes, the prior generations had a different moral view, which

01:44:42.000 was far less about getting another 15 years on your life expectancy.

01:44:45.380 It was about how are my kids doing?

01:44:47.120 Yes.

01:44:47.660 If you, so if you just look at it from pure economics, again, I'm not a eugenics guy.

01:44:50.760 Do I have a mission?

01:44:51.420 Am I making something?

01:44:52.720 Exactly.

01:44:53.740 And what are you leaving?

01:44:55.340 And right now, and again, I'm not here to like make people feel bad.

01:44:58.300 If you're over the age of 70, you're leaving a crappy country for your kids.

01:45:01.660 Trump is fixing it.

01:45:02.940 He's working his tail off, but there's structural stuff that he's going to have to fight like

01:45:06.540 hell.

01:45:06.920 So stop talking about your illnesses.

01:45:08.980 I don't like that.

01:45:10.140 Stop that.

01:45:10.760 My father died at 84.

01:45:11.920 Like a million illnesses.

01:45:12.820 That is definitely.

01:45:13.640 I never knew what they were because he never mentioned them.

01:45:15.760 But by the way, that's very waspy.

01:45:17.500 Not to talk about.

01:45:18.200 He was.

01:45:18.860 No, not to talk about your health stuff, but like 70 plus a tick is like all your health

01:45:22.760 stuff is like the only dinner conversation, right?

01:45:24.800 Are you joking?

01:45:26.200 I remember thinking, my father would say when he got old, these old people, all they

01:45:29.400 talk about is their health.

01:45:30.440 It's so boorish and self-involved and boring.

01:45:34.820 But it's also, it's also, if you think about it, it's not very Christian.

01:45:38.600 No.

01:45:38.940 Because we're just here temporarily in the Christian view.

01:45:41.740 There's an afterlife for us.

01:45:43.220 There's the next life.

01:45:44.480 Our bodies will actually resurrect.

01:45:46.560 Yes.

01:45:46.960 Christ our Lord will come back and reign over this earth in the thousand year millennia.

01:45:50.680 So we shouldn't be overly fixated.

01:45:52.460 But until that happens, they're rotting.

01:45:54.100 We're all rotting.

01:45:54.600 By the way, it's like-

01:45:55.340 So just like deal with it, accept it.

01:45:56.420 Yes, exactly.

01:45:57.200 Like you have an expiration date.

01:45:58.760 Yes.

01:45:59.300 And God is in charge of that.

01:46:02.280 So what do you do with that?

01:46:03.540 Amen.

01:46:03.820 And so if you look at the biblical figures, they weren't like overly interested in like,

01:46:08.280 you know, mastering the back nine.

01:46:11.740 No.

01:46:12.360 You know, at the Naples Country Club.

01:46:13.880 No.

01:46:14.300 It was, God wants us in four words, love God, love people.

01:46:18.420 And we've done a very poor job of that in the West.

01:46:20.940 I agree.

01:46:21.320 I agree.

01:46:22.700 Wow, Charlie, you've really, really spun me up.

01:46:24.980 So how do you get this message since, so we've had a conversation for an hour and a half

01:46:29.400 kind of on a, on a, you know, on the, what I think and you clearly think is the single

01:46:36.560 biggest and least addressed issue going forward, which is how are we serving the next generation?

01:46:42.880 But you also spend an awful lot of time like in actual American politics and the mechanics

01:46:47.120 of it, how do we get people elected, how do we get people out to vote, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

01:46:51.360 Can you just be a little more precise?

01:46:53.060 So, you know, every lawmaker, certainly Republican lawmaker, why isn't, like, what is so hard about

01:46:59.960 what you just said for them to understand?

01:47:01.760 Well, a lot of them only represent, they only represent their voters just as kind of a, as an act.

01:47:11.020 It's, it's not an actual thing that they do.

01:47:12.840 I think of Lindsey Graham and like Lindsey Graham, I'm sure if we had him here, he'd tell hilarious

01:47:16.740 jokes.

01:47:17.320 The most charming member of the Senate.

01:47:19.080 I'm great.

01:47:19.580 I'm sure.

01:47:20.260 No, he is.

01:47:20.960 He's smart.

01:47:21.500 He's charming.

01:47:22.100 Great guy.

01:47:23.120 But does he represent like the economic anxieties of a 24 year old welder in Columbia, South Carolina?

01:47:28.900 I mean, of course not.

01:47:31.660 And, but part of the problem is, and we're trying to fix this at Turning Point Action is

01:47:35.020 actually the process of how difficult and how expensive it is to get good people elected

01:47:39.960 in office.

01:47:40.740 We haven't figured it out, but we're working on it.

01:47:43.240 So we're engaging in Republican primaries and across the country.

01:47:46.040 So Lindsey Graham is primary.

01:47:46.900 I think Lindsey Graham is up soon.

01:47:49.660 I say this as someone who has enormous affection for Lindsey Graham personally, because he's enormously

01:47:53.880 likable, but he can't get, if he gets reelected to the Senate, then it's all fake.

01:47:58.900 Like, obviously, he has zero interest in America.

01:48:02.100 He only cares about hunky Ukrainian soldiers or whatever his trip is with them.

01:48:07.440 He needs to lose just in order for the system to stay viable and real.

01:48:12.140 How hard would it be?

01:48:13.500 I'm going to do whatever I can to help him lose because he does need to spend time in

01:48:17.560 retirement.

01:48:18.880 How hard is that?

01:48:20.400 It's going to be very difficult.

01:48:21.440 Why?

01:48:22.400 Well, for a couple of reasons.

01:48:24.520 He's going to have a ton of money, probably have tens of millions of dollars to spend.

01:48:27.780 Really?

01:48:28.540 Oh, yeah.

01:48:28.840 I mean, Senate leadership will most likely pour a lot of money behind Lindsey Graham.

01:48:32.920 His numbers are underwater, but also it's going to be he'll try to make a mess of things.

01:48:37.220 There'll be other candidates kind of thrown into the mix to try to split the vote.

01:48:40.480 Remember, it's a plurality, not a majority.

01:48:42.700 I don't think they have a runoff system in the South Carolina primary.

01:48:45.160 I don't want to speak out of turn there.

01:48:46.940 But senators are really, really hard to come by that are decent.

01:48:50.180 Mike Lee is a great example of a decent person in the U.S. Senate.

01:48:53.680 He is a great person.

01:48:55.420 There's not many of them that are actually decent and that-

01:48:59.040 Eric Schmidt's a good man.

01:48:59.960 I agree with you.

01:49:00.720 Eric is a really good dude.

01:49:01.760 I agree.

01:49:02.060 Yeah.

01:49:02.320 Just like as a person.

01:49:03.440 He's a Cardinals fan.

01:49:04.240 But besides that, you know, he's a great person.

01:49:07.060 But no, look, as far as how hard it is, this is why what we are doing, I think, is very

01:49:11.160 exciting at Turning Point, but also simultaneously a threat to the Republican establishment is

01:49:15.440 that we're big.

01:49:16.160 We're not going anywhere, God willing.

01:49:17.760 We're loud.

01:49:18.600 We're young.

01:49:19.460 We're energetic.

01:49:20.240 We're principled.

01:49:21.140 And we're kind of new right.

01:49:22.780 Yep.

01:49:23.160 Because we're not part of this whole neocon, you know, invade the world, invite the world.

01:49:28.480 We got to talk immigration, too, because that's a whole component of this, because amnesty

01:49:32.340 is going to try to be pushed by some people soon.

01:49:33.900 But we're a different we're different flavor.

01:49:37.000 We represent a generation primarily that is mad, that is angry.

01:49:39.860 But we want to channel that frustration into a prudent way, because, again, we don't want

01:49:43.920 a revolution.

01:49:45.120 So we're a threat to the established Republican order, and we kind of delight in that in more

01:49:50.140 ways than one.

01:49:51.300 So, look, we're going to be involved.

01:49:52.400 Other one that really involved in is Kentucky for Mitch McConnell's empty Senate seat there.

01:49:56.200 Nate Morris, who's phenomenal, who's actually running an immigration moratorium up

01:50:00.360 against kind of two of McConnell's lackeys there in the open Kentucky Senate race.

01:50:04.960 And here's the thing.

01:50:05.920 If we or anybody were able to take out Lindsey Graham, that will send a signal to the rest

01:50:10.680 of the conference.

01:50:11.440 Great.

01:50:12.020 That will be such a definitive signal.

01:50:15.040 And so, look, we're going to we're going to involve ourselves in many races.

01:50:20.180 We'll see if we do Lindsey Graham.

01:50:21.440 We most likely will.

01:50:22.060 We had Andre Bauer at our event.

01:50:24.000 We're also going to be really involved in stuff in Arizona because we've got to kind of get

01:50:26.680 some things sorted out there.

01:50:28.060 But more importantly is this, is that there and this is the other structural problem.

01:50:32.040 What we at Turning Point Action, specifically our political arm, seek to do is try to make

01:50:36.520 Republican voters back into alignment with their elected leaders because there's a misalignment

01:50:41.320 that's happening.

01:50:42.060 And Trump was the one that exposed this alignment for the record.

01:50:45.140 That's for sure.

01:50:45.760 He's like, wow, you guys are totally not in alignment on your worldview.

01:50:49.020 And I think Lindsey Graham is a perfect manifestation of that.

01:50:53.320 That's it.

01:50:53.740 It's not personal.

01:50:54.940 It's not at all.

01:50:55.660 I'm so mean to Lindsey Graham, but it's not personal.

01:50:59.620 It's just that the system is fake if Lindsey Graham keeps getting elected in one of the

01:51:03.520 most conservative states.

01:51:04.760 That's all.

01:51:05.560 And the system can't be fake or else you have a revolution and I don't want a revolution.

01:51:09.660 So you did this.

01:51:11.620 You're very close to President Trump.

01:51:14.320 I think personally and politically, you did this amazing thing the other day where you

01:51:19.240 tweeted out amnesty is coming.

01:51:21.960 People are pushing amnesty.

01:51:23.720 You don't have to answer if you don't want.

01:51:24.700 But my sense is that the president was part of your intended audience.

01:51:27.780 You just wanted people to know what was going on and bless you for doing that.

01:51:32.240 But I wasn't exactly sure what you were talking about.

01:51:35.020 Who is pushing amnesty and what form could it come in and how imminent is this threat?

01:51:39.760 Well, firstly, the president has said no amnesty, which is great to hear.

01:51:43.560 And I'm glad he's saying that.

01:51:44.660 He should keep on saying it because he ran on that.

01:51:46.880 And so I was not surprised when he said it, but he needs to say it.

01:51:49.320 But look at Maria Elvira Salazar.

01:51:51.340 I think that's her name, right?

01:51:52.660 She came out the other day and she is pushing an amnesty bill through Congress.

01:51:55.680 I have a text from a U.S.

01:51:56.660 senator that you and I both respect.

01:51:58.740 And he said, look, there's whispers that are now becoming real conversations and chatter

01:52:02.380 of amnesty.

01:52:02.940 And think of how sick and dark this is.

01:52:04.940 We passed one big, beautiful bill, which is by far the greatest fortification of the

01:52:09.260 southern border, the greatest deportation effort that we need.

01:52:12.140 I mean, it's legit investment to get the deportations that we voted for and that the ink is not

01:52:16.820 even yet dry of President Trump's signature.

01:52:19.360 And almost simultaneously, we're hearing about amnesty.

01:52:22.480 And so, look, Maria Elvira Salazar, she's saying, well, if they've been here more than

01:52:27.440 five years, it's not a pathway to citizenship.

01:52:29.240 It's a pathway to dignity.

01:52:30.720 Let me tell you exactly what would happen.

01:52:32.520 How about get out?

01:52:33.400 Well, of course, hasta la vista.

01:52:34.980 How about that?

01:52:35.560 Right.

01:52:36.100 And so but let me be even more clear there.

01:52:38.860 We have no documentation of anybody that's in this country.

01:52:42.660 Undocumented is not the proper term, but it's not totally incorrect.

01:52:45.340 So all that someone would have to do, let's say an ICE agent knocks on the door of somebody

01:52:49.180 and they have deportation order.

01:52:50.740 You are going home.

01:52:51.920 All they'd have to say is cinco años, five years.

01:52:55.240 And they could end all deportation in real time.

01:52:58.020 The person's been there for three years and they'd have to just say they've been there

01:53:00.560 for five years.

01:53:01.320 Lie.

01:53:01.900 Go to some judge that would take them four years to get in front of the judge.

01:53:04.200 And they'd hit the five year threshold.

01:53:05.920 It's effectively amnesty and a loophole workaround being pushed by Miss Elvira Salazar.

01:53:11.100 And I don't know what she's a Democrat.

01:53:13.320 She's a Republican, which the whole thing doesn't make any sense.

01:53:16.540 First of all, she's from a Cuban district.

01:53:18.100 And why a Cuban district is so worried about like mass illegal immigration is very bizarre

01:53:23.000 to me, unless she has a bunch of constituents that are doing visa overstays, because it's

01:53:27.280 not exactly like southern border central there.

01:53:29.360 I think she's just a leftist.

01:53:31.120 I don't know what she is, but I'll just it's very perplexing.

01:53:34.020 Number two, though, we're winning Hispanics in record numbers because we're strong on the

01:53:38.540 border, because we're strong on deportations.

01:53:41.300 She's like, oh, if we don't if we don't save this, we don't solve this problem.

01:53:44.760 We're going to lose Hispanics for a generation.

01:53:47.060 We're winning Hispanics because we're hard on immigration.

01:53:49.840 We're winning.

01:53:50.540 Also, what about everybody else?

01:53:52.420 Well, yeah.

01:53:52.760 How about like exactly?

01:53:53.860 And then that that goes to think the core essence of what about the actual American people

01:53:58.720 that have not been represented the last 50 years?

01:54:01.900 Your ancestors are here for the Civil War.

01:54:04.960 OK, that was, you know, whatever, 160 years ago.

01:54:08.440 Seems like you should have a say in all this.

01:54:10.500 My family came here in 1620, Alphonsus Kirk.

01:54:13.540 We've been here for a while, 400 years.

01:54:15.720 Yeah.

01:54:15.940 So, I mean, it doesn't I don't think you should get two votes or anything, but I also don't

01:54:19.280 think that we should ignore you on purpose, which and it's like, what do you be quiet,

01:54:23.580 Maria Salazar?

01:54:24.760 Who are you anyway?

01:54:25.980 Stop.

01:54:26.340 When she does this ridiculous thing, she says, you know, we're going to try to have

01:54:29.500 this Salomic compromise of splitting the baby, which, by the way, it's not even what happened

01:54:33.580 in First Kings.

01:54:34.500 It's a whole separate issue we could talk.

01:54:35.840 So why would you want to cut a baby in half, you freak?

01:54:38.460 She literally said that.

01:54:39.520 I don't know if you saw that clip.

01:54:40.540 She's obviously dark.

01:54:41.740 Yeah.

01:54:42.900 But also, the fascination of the ruling class when it comes to amnesty is very, very sinister.

01:54:52.600 It's like abortion.

01:54:53.600 They just can't give it up.

01:54:54.720 It really is.

01:54:55.840 And I've had amnesty pitched to me multiple times in every one of the ruling class havens

01:55:00.420 you can imagine.

01:55:01.200 I never get amnesty pitched to me on either a college campus from like a work or like

01:55:06.840 in Columbus, Ohio.

01:55:08.000 Like when I go to a football game, no one's pitching me amnesty.

01:55:11.020 But they never want amnesty for, there's never amnesty for bank robbers or drug dealers

01:55:15.340 or people convicted of hate crimes.

01:55:16.740 I notice it's only such a good point for illegal aliens.

01:55:21.220 Such a good point.

01:55:21.680 And why is that?

01:55:22.360 Because they don't like the people who live here and they want to change the population.

01:55:24.900 That's why.

01:55:25.480 It's about mass demographic replacement.

01:55:28.280 Of course.

01:55:28.860 Because if you can't win over the population or if you hate the population, which they do,

01:55:34.200 then you need to replace that population.

01:55:37.560 And again, this is the great replacement reality that is happening in real time.

01:55:41.600 And so we finally have this mandate.

01:55:42.980 And God bless Stephen Miller.

01:55:43.840 He's fighting his heart out every single day to get this deportation effort underway.

01:55:47.680 And the president ran on this and the president has committed to this and the president is

01:55:50.920 going to get this done unless these people in Congress try to get in his way, which is

01:55:55.660 that we need to deport 20 million people.

01:55:58.480 This all goes full circle, by the way, back to the young people conversation.

01:56:01.000 It's just the 2010 strategy.

01:56:02.640 We need to build 10 million new homes and make sure private equity cannot buy them.

01:56:06.240 And we need to deport 20 million people.

01:56:07.980 We do those two things.

01:56:08.920 We're going to be a much better place.

01:56:09.960 However, we voted for it.

01:56:12.780 We have a president office that wants to do it, that is doing it.

01:56:15.520 And yet there are several congressional actors that are trying to undermine him right now.

01:56:20.460 What about the pressure you keep hearing about from different sectors?

01:56:26.680 Hospitality, I think that's real.

01:56:28.120 Ag, I don't know.

01:56:29.020 Is that real?

01:56:29.860 I mean, who is pushing this other than?

01:56:32.420 The corporate titans, for sure.

01:56:33.740 Yeah.

01:56:33.900 I mean, so the ag one is interesting because we're told that we need to have mass immigration.

01:56:39.200 Or else the crops will rot in the field.

01:56:42.720 Which is interesting because I thought we're going through like a moment of mass automation right now.

01:56:47.340 I kind of thought that.

01:56:48.380 So what's the argument now for mass immigration if robotics is going to take over everything?

01:56:52.380 Well, Elon just sent a video out this morning of a robot making popcorn.

01:56:56.080 So if a robot can make popcorn, he can pick lettuce, I think.

01:56:59.240 I would imagine.

01:57:00.000 So maybe it's not about picking the crops.

01:57:02.700 Maybe it's about the fact they want to change the demographics of this country.

01:57:05.680 Yeah.

01:57:06.340 And so, but I mean, but secondly, the hospitality one, maybe, guess, I guess, sure.

01:57:12.540 How about this?

01:57:13.280 Hire Americans and pay them more.

01:57:15.340 There's a 7% young male unemployment rate.

01:57:18.380 Remember, I said that earlier.

01:57:20.040 Wait a second.

01:57:20.640 7% unemployment used to be called a crisis in this country.

01:57:23.200 That was during the Great Recession.

01:57:24.920 Remember, we got up to 8% to 9% unemployment.

01:57:27.260 So maybe we should go hire some of the young men that are on the sidelines of this economy

01:57:31.040 and make this a nation again, not just an economic dumping ground for the third world.

01:57:36.420 So you often hear people say, well, I would love to do that, but the native whites won't work hard.

01:57:42.560 Okay.

01:57:43.400 I don't know.

01:57:44.660 There's something about mass immigration that degrades the existing population.

01:57:50.940 People get less impressive when their country's invaded.

01:57:55.840 I don't know why that is.

01:57:57.600 I've always noticed that, though.

01:57:58.880 The UK is a great example.

01:57:59.820 It is a great example.

01:58:00.780 I totally agree.

01:58:01.240 The Brits themselves, it's like, I go to the UK, I have family there, I go there, all

01:58:05.640 my life I've gone there, and you see, you know, I always kind of liked the Brits.

01:58:10.180 They're weird, but I sort of like them.

01:58:13.540 Creepy kind of, but whatever.

01:58:15.280 But they've gotten weirder and creepier over time.

01:58:17.920 And they've, as it's become more Pakistani, the native-born Brits, the white Brits, have

01:58:23.880 become way less impressive.

01:58:25.520 I'm not imagining this.

01:58:27.040 Do you know what I'm talking about?

01:58:28.000 No, but also the morale goes down.

01:58:29.600 It's almost like you're a conquered nation and you know it.

01:58:32.120 London was 95% white in the 1920s.

01:58:35.480 It is now 29% white.

01:58:37.860 Yeah.

01:58:38.360 Now, again, I don't think whites are better than other people, whatever, but it's just

01:58:41.340 not London anymore.

01:58:42.180 They're the indigenous population.

01:58:43.480 It's something, exactly.

01:58:44.520 And I thought we're against mass replacement.

01:58:46.740 That's ethnic cleansing, isn't it?

01:58:48.740 Well, it's literally ethnic cleansing.

01:58:49.720 I mean, I thought, I mean, we're, you know, lectured all the time about ethnic cleansing.

01:58:52.460 If it was happening in Tibet, which it has.

01:58:54.580 Again, I'm not for that, wherever it is.

01:58:56.060 I agree.

01:58:56.600 But if you replace Tibetans with Han Chinese, no one's like, they're all Tibetans.

01:59:01.020 They're all Tibetans.

01:59:01.900 It's like, no, no, no, no.

01:59:02.800 It's a strategy designed to replace the Tibetans.

01:59:05.540 Again, if something fails, when you change the people, it fails to be what it wants.

01:59:11.180 Of course.

01:59:12.040 But it also, it has a dispiriting effect on the people being replaced.

01:59:17.000 And they're not what they were all of a sudden.

01:59:19.600 It's hard to measure, but it's so true.

01:59:21.540 It's so noticeable.

01:59:22.420 It's noticeable.

01:59:23.740 You feel it.

01:59:24.600 You see it.

01:59:25.100 Again, it's not going to, this is what's so important about conservatism in the new era.

01:59:28.120 A lot of what drives us will not always show up on a chart or a graph.

01:59:34.120 Because look, a lot of this, I talked earlier, is like numbers of, you know, homeownership.

01:59:37.540 But something as simple as that is so true.

01:59:40.140 Their morale is down.

01:59:41.740 They believe goofy and weird stuff.

01:59:44.020 Oh, I agree.

01:59:44.200 They almost have this strange fetish in London that they like being conquered.

01:59:48.120 Oh, yeah.

01:59:48.660 That they're like enjoying the slow motion rape of their country.

01:59:51.280 Invade me harder.

01:59:51.700 No, like, it's like, it's like, no, seriously.

01:59:54.580 Oh, I agree.

01:59:55.080 It's like this weird sexual attitude, like, yes, Islamist, you know, come into my country.

02:00:00.380 Like, what?

02:00:01.360 No, I know.

02:00:02.320 And it's just, I don't know what that is, but I will say this, though.

02:00:06.500 I will make a hypothesis, though.

02:00:09.840 It's the immigration cuck, I think we would say.

02:00:11.640 No, it is, though.

02:00:12.460 No.

02:00:13.720 A secular nation cucks out.

02:00:16.920 For sure.

02:00:17.960 100%.

02:00:18.280 And so, what does that mean?

02:00:20.460 When you don't believe in a divine power, I mean, they're super secular in the UK.

02:00:24.560 Then, all of a sudden, they need to have some sort of belief system.

02:00:26.920 So, they're like, reason for being is that their master is some Mohammedan from Afghanistan.

02:00:33.380 No, it's totally right.

02:00:34.280 And, again, I debated at Oxford and Cambridge back in May.

02:00:38.200 These are broken, conquered cities and towns.

02:00:41.620 They're completely unrecognizable.

02:00:43.480 London, especially, is just gone.

02:00:44.640 I know.

02:00:45.360 It's a husk of its former self, as you would say.

02:00:47.440 It's a museum.

02:00:48.680 It's depressing.

02:00:49.240 It brings down your soul.

02:00:50.880 I agree.

02:00:51.100 And when I go walk through Piccadilly Square and there's just more Muslims than native-born whites,

02:00:58.200 or there's something wrong about that, and that is a metamorphosis that, and you have

02:01:02.780 to wonder, like, did you vote for this?

02:01:04.160 Did you want this?

02:01:04.980 Did you invite it?

02:01:06.520 And so-

02:01:07.280 Something about the two, it's the way it happened.

02:01:09.560 It's the scale of it.

02:01:11.100 And what's really a head trip, which I'd recommend to anyone, is going from London to Riyadh, or London

02:01:17.820 to Dubai, or London to Doha, I've done all of that, and you're in London, and you're

02:01:22.280 like, man, we've got a huge problem with Muslims, like, they're bad.

02:01:25.320 And then you go to Doha, or Riyadh, or Abu Dhabi, or Dubai, or any of the Gulf, and you're

02:01:31.220 like, man, I love Muslims, because they're awesome.

02:01:34.560 So how do you-

02:01:35.420 I don't understand exactly what's going on, but it has to do with, and let me just say,

02:01:40.300 point of fact, I've never been, where I am not currently, anti-Islam, especially.

02:01:45.160 It's not my religion, I disagree, I think it's wrong, but I'm not mad, and I'm not mad

02:01:50.120 at Gulf Arabs.

02:01:52.360 I think they're amazing, they're amazing, they couldn't be more tolerant, open-minded,

02:01:56.680 kind, just great.

02:01:58.280 I mean, things I don't agree with, but in general, they're great.

02:02:01.560 And I have even said, you know, because you can say whatever you want in their countries,

02:02:05.460 because as long as you're not attacking the leadership, they have free speech in a

02:02:09.300 way that we don't, which is really wild.

02:02:11.020 But I've said at dinner, like, what is that?

02:02:13.020 Why am I so happy here in, you know, pick the Gulf capital versus London, and what is

02:02:19.800 the deal with the Muslims in London, or Cologne, or Berlin, or whatever?

02:02:24.540 Like, what is the difference?

02:02:25.900 I've never gotten a straight answer, but I do think part of it is mass migration of any

02:02:31.640 kind is a lot.

02:02:33.380 It's a lot.

02:02:34.040 It's a lot.

02:02:34.720 And it has bad effects on everyone involved, the immigrants and the conquered.

02:02:39.640 And also, I think that there's just a lot of third world Muslims.

02:02:43.360 Well, there's also that.

02:02:44.340 I mean, Doha is a very industrial, you know, very-

02:02:47.420 Well, there are 300,000 citizens.

02:02:48.900 Right.

02:02:49.280 First, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Riyadh are very first world.

02:02:52.020 But the people are-

02:02:52.620 Karachi is not exactly.

02:02:54.120 No, Karachi is pretty intense.

02:02:56.060 Is it?

02:02:56.660 I would say Karachi is pretty intense, yeah.

02:02:58.200 I wouldn't put Pakistanis up with-

02:03:00.420 No, though, I've had amazing meals with people in Peshawar, Pakistan, who are, like, reading

02:03:07.320 P.G.

02:03:07.780 Woodhouse novels and are super smart and have all these languages and stuff.

02:03:10.920 I don't know.

02:03:11.420 There's something about immigration, the mass migration, that degrades everybody involved.

02:03:17.320 I just noticed it.

02:03:18.260 This is not an ideology that I have.

02:03:20.580 It's just something I've picked up from traveling a lot.

02:03:22.740 Yeah, and you just become-

02:03:24.280 So, you have two options.

02:03:25.600 I mean, and the UK has decided just to kind of just bend over and take it.

02:03:29.760 Oh, yeah.

02:03:30.340 Which is just, you can fight it and resist it.

02:03:31.680 Well, they've been doing that for a long time.

02:03:32.920 No, that's kind of their whole shtick.

02:03:34.560 Oh, I know.

02:03:35.140 Yeah, post-World War II.

02:03:36.020 With a cane.

02:03:36.660 Yeah, exactly.

02:03:37.460 It's just, that's their whole thing.

02:03:40.160 But in America, we've actually, we're finally having a different attitude to mass immigration,

02:03:43.220 which is we can now talk about it.

02:03:44.420 We can question it.

02:03:45.660 We can vote against it.

02:03:46.980 The question is, can we remove it?

02:03:49.240 And that, again, that's one of the biggest public policy challenges in front

02:03:52.700 of us, can we remove the 20, 30, 40 million people that have come here illegally?

02:03:57.860 And what President Trump is embarking on doing is one of the hardest, most difficult things

02:04:01.380 that we could possibly comprehend.

02:04:03.640 Do you think it has a shot?

02:04:05.160 I think we can get to 10 million this term.

02:04:07.680 And that would be huge if you count self-deportations, for sure.

02:04:11.440 Wow.

02:04:11.940 Are we on track to do that?

02:04:13.360 We have a million self-deportations already, guesstimated.

02:04:17.620 And I can tell you anecdotally in Arizona, like a construction project happening right down

02:04:20.740 the street from where we live, they said that whole crew of, you know, kind of laborers

02:04:26.800 self-deported, they hired Americans the next day, or at least people that were here legally.

02:04:30.940 So there is anecdotal evidence of self-deportation occurring.

02:04:35.000 And the margin, at least under Eisenhower, when he did mass deportations, is 10 people self-deported

02:04:40.380 for every one forcible deportation.

02:04:43.000 And so CNN just did a special of a guy and his family that's self-deporting from Pittsburgh,

02:04:47.000 you know, adios.

02:04:47.840 So, look, I think the goal needs to be 10 million this term.

02:04:51.760 10 million would be a massive accomplishment.

02:04:53.940 That would make the country a considerably and measurably better place.

02:04:58.460 Is there any effort or even conversation about getting the refugee system under control?

02:05:03.000 Oh, without a doubt.

02:05:03.720 Yeah.

02:05:03.920 I mean, I think that, first of all, it's a scam.

02:05:06.200 Why do we owe refugee status to anyone?

02:05:07.960 No one's ever explained that.

02:05:09.320 I don't know if we, again, this is a really important point.

02:05:11.460 Almost all of the excesses, mass migration refugee, is because the left has weaponized

02:05:17.700 inherited Christian principles against us.

02:05:20.260 So we as Christians, we have an open-heartedness towards refugees.

02:05:23.800 It says that we should do that in the scriptures.

02:05:25.920 It doesn't mean that we should do that blindly.

02:05:27.680 So what the left does is they take good-hearted Western Christian beliefs and they totally weaponize

02:05:33.360 them for their kind of remake the body politic of America.

02:05:37.540 Here's what I find so unchristian about our refugee system, even before the left distorted

02:05:41.940 it, or maybe they distorted it from the beginning, is Christian charity is the responsibility

02:05:46.360 of the Christian.

02:05:47.780 So all these Christian groups and Jewish groups and lots of different groups, but a lot of

02:05:51.960 Christian groups, Catholic charities, Lutheran social services, all these groups that use

02:05:56.840 the gospel to justify it, bring in families or individuals, and then offload the cost onto

02:06:02.400 taxpayers.

02:06:03.920 It's like, how does that work?

02:06:05.120 How is it charity if I take your money and give it to somebody?

02:06:09.160 Do I get credit in heaven for stealing your money and giving it away?

02:06:11.980 I don't think so.

02:06:12.640 Yeah.

02:06:12.740 And also it says in the book of Deuteronomy, one of the last things Moses says, it's this

02:06:15.800 farewell address, like Deuteronomy 28, off the top of my head, be careful who you allow

02:06:20.200 within your gates, within the country, because they will soon become your masters.

02:06:23.980 Well.

02:06:24.620 And boy, is that not.

02:06:25.680 Well, we're about to find out how true that is.

02:06:28.200 Phenomenal truth from the scriptures, as always.

02:06:30.840 But look, yes, I know the Trump administration and President Trump, they're trying to strip

02:06:35.440 refugee status of the 500,000 Haitians.

02:06:38.320 I mean, that is just grotesque.

02:06:40.120 I would say.

02:06:40.860 And so I think every single one of them has to be returned back to Haiti.

02:06:43.780 By the way, it's like this great contradiction.

02:06:46.060 Haiti is a wonderful place that everyone should go visit, the left tells us, but they don't

02:06:50.580 want Haitians in their neighborhood.

02:06:52.200 It's like, okay, well, which one is it exactly?

02:06:53.920 Haiti is an amazing place.

02:06:55.700 It's the best place ever.

02:06:56.540 It's not a shithole nation at all.

02:06:57.840 It's incredible.

02:06:59.260 Stephen Colbert actually goes on vacation there.

02:07:02.260 But everybody in Haiti needs to get out immediately because it's so terrible and you have to pay

02:07:06.700 for it.

02:07:07.020 It's so wonderful that they have to be allowed to leave to your community, but not my community.

02:07:11.140 So I just hope that this last two hours, that every member of Congress sees it, sees what

02:07:19.340 you said.

02:07:20.460 I was trying to keep up with your analysis, which is the sharpest I've ever heard on that

02:07:26.420 subject, like what's, you know, what is the crisis among young people?

02:07:30.100 I think you described it better than anyone.

02:07:31.420 And I really hope people listen to what you're saying.

02:07:34.420 Well, thank you.

02:07:35.000 And I mean, we cover this on our show every day.

02:07:37.420 People can follow the podcast.

02:07:39.000 But and thank you, Tucker, for your leadership on this.

02:07:41.660 Look, there's a lot of issues to cover, but this one is going to supersede every single

02:07:45.040 one.

02:07:45.720 I think that's right because it's going to be President Mamdani.

02:07:48.640 And he's not even a real socialist.

02:07:51.200 He's just like trans, nonsense, lifestyle, liberal bullshit, like all of them, you know

02:07:57.460 what I mean?

02:07:57.780 Even Marxist, right?

02:07:59.200 Exactly.

02:08:00.400 Exactly.

02:08:01.140 If he was like a wobbly, at least I'd be like, respect.

02:08:04.460 But no.

02:08:05.080 Anyway, thank you.

02:08:05.900 Thank you, Tucker.

02:08:06.440 Charlie Kirk.

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The Tucker Carlson Show - July 21, 2025

Charlie Kirk： How Debt Has Radicalized Young America and Why Boomers Deserve the Blame

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